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Speaker 2: with the Culture Cast and the Projection Booth. We got
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Speaker 2: plus column, it's got Evan Peters. It's about time he
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Speaker 2: the actual band nine Inch Nail, and so far it
Speaker 2: sounds spectacular. We got new footage of the Alien Earth
Speaker 2: television series from Noah Hally, the guy behind the Fargo
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Speaker 2: shock white haired Timothy Oliphant being super weird. Also, I
Speaker 2: saw some pulse rifles. I cannot be more excited for
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Speaker 2: of that, I did not watch the new Predator Badlands trailer.
Speaker 2: I'm doing my best to learn no more than I
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Speaker 2: the most exciting news to come out of Comic Con
Speaker 2: is that Coyote Versus Acme, a film that Cinema Goooul
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Speaker 2: that August the twenty eighth. I told you to go
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Speaker 2: those faulty roadrunner catching devices. Will Forte is the star
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Speaker 4: This episode, we are looking at the twenty twenty five
Speaker 4: film Fantastic four First Steps, which is actually the fifth
Speaker 4: ree tread in this franchise where we're looking at for
Speaker 4: superpowered beings who protect the Earth or Earth A two eight,
Speaker 4: this time from Galactus, who is not a big gas cloud.
Speaker 4: That's good. There's not a lot of origin story, but
Speaker 4: it's more of a look at the fourth year going
Speaker 4: into the fifth year of the team's existence. And we
Speaker 4: will be spoiling this discussion like crazy. So if you
Speaker 4: haven't seen Fantastic four First Steps, turn off the podcast.
Speaker 4: Come back after you've gone to see them. All right, Chris,
Speaker 4: what did you think of Fantastic four First Steps? So,
Speaker 4: and what's your history of Fantastic four. I'm very curious
Speaker 4: about that. We talked about that on the Superman episode,
Speaker 4: so a couple weeks later, what's your history of Fantastic four?
Speaker 5: So, the thing is one of my favorite superhero characters period,
Speaker 5: just something about him, And like the portrayal in the
Speaker 5: comic books, I really enjoy the portrayal in the movies.
Speaker 5: I think has been the version that's been more spot
Speaker 5: on in most of them. Has been the thing, at
Speaker 5: least in those Yowen Grufford, Chris Evans, Jessica Alba, Fantastic
Speaker 5: Four movies which I saw. I have seen every Fantastic
Speaker 5: Four movie that has been released in theaters, including Fan
Speaker 5: for Stick, which not many people saw that shit in theaters.
Speaker 5: There was a reason for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you see, because I'm a sucker.
Speaker 5: Now no, no, no, You're a masochist. That's the word
Speaker 5: I would use. I you know. And this is one
Speaker 5: other thing. And Father Malone I think mentioned this when
Speaker 5: we were recording Maybe or Off podcast. Not only is
Speaker 5: the thing one of my favorite superhero characters Read Richards
Speaker 5: as the Maker is my favorite comic book villain I
Speaker 5: think period in terms of Marvel, he is. It's literally
Speaker 5: what if Reid Richards was just like, I'm the world,
Speaker 5: I'm the universe, the smartest man, and I could do
Speaker 5: whatever the fuck I want. And he's just like practicing
Speaker 5: genocide and he becomes so smart and his gets so
Speaker 5: much knowledge into his head that his brain and skull
Speaker 5: essentially become like an ancient alien skull. His essentially head
Speaker 5: becomes like conical, his brain grows so much.
Speaker 2: Well, let's not forget during Civil War whose side he
Speaker 2: was on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. I think if you're gonna do a
Speaker 5: Fantastic for movie, this is the right place to start. However,
Speaker 5: and I'm saying that in terms of the setting, I
Speaker 5: think in a lot of ways this is marvel going. Man,
Speaker 5: wouldn't it been nice if we had done a period
Speaker 5: piece with the Fantastic Four in two thousand and nine
Speaker 5: or ten. Look, we'll have that discussion about all that,
Speaker 5: I'm sure at some point in this episode. But for me,
Speaker 5: I liked the setting. I liked the world that this
Speaker 5: movie took place in. However, this movie was an hour
Speaker 5: and fifty five minutes, and there are parts of this
Speaker 5: movie that drug and the plot of the movie and
Speaker 5: the way that the conflict resolves, and a lot of
Speaker 5: the Deus X Teleporter bridges is just there's some stuff
Speaker 5: that doesn't seem as well integrated into the story as
Speaker 5: I was hoping they would be. And there are parts
Speaker 5: of this that I'm like I'm glad that we're doing
Speaker 5: this version of the characters, and there are other things
Speaker 5: where I'm like, I'm a little disappointed that we're doing
Speaker 5: these versions of the characters. And by the end of
Speaker 5: the movie, once we see where they end up going
Speaker 5: with everything, I think I'm hopeful for where the second
Speaker 5: or third steps go. If that's in fact what the
Speaker 5: movies are beyond this one. Who knows if they keep
Speaker 5: the Spider Man naming conventions. I mean, I know John
Speaker 5: Watts was originally going to direct these movies, so I
Speaker 5: kind of wonder if there was a little there is
Speaker 5: going to be a little bit of the Spider Man
Speaker 5: naming conventions. But all that to say, I think for
Speaker 5: the most part it's one of the better Marvel movies
Speaker 5: we've had in a while. It shows a lot of
Speaker 5: reserve where other Marvel movies of its similar ilk have not,
Speaker 5: including something as recently as Thunderbolts. But I think at
Speaker 5: times it maybe plays it a tad too safe. And look,
Speaker 5: it's twenty twenty five. We know where the MCU is
Speaker 5: effectively headed. In the next couple of years. We're effectively
Speaker 5: at almost at year twenty of this. I'm assuming by
Speaker 5: year twenty of this, we will have a whole new
Speaker 5: thing with all new things of people, which is kind
Speaker 5: of what they've talked about and they've alluded to. And
Speaker 5: now seeing that thing at the end of the movie
Speaker 5: is just like it sets in that Oh my god,
Speaker 5: we're like right back here in like twenty and eighteen
Speaker 5: nineteen again effectively. So I enjoyed it. But I think
Speaker 5: there's plenty for us to talk about in terms of
Speaker 5: the shortcomings of the movie. But I think overall, best
Speaker 5: Marvel movie in a while. Yeah, best Marvel movie in
Speaker 5: the last five years. I don't know about that. There
Speaker 5: have been a lot of decent Marvel movies, if not
Speaker 5: great Marvel movies that have come out in the last
Speaker 5: five years. But in terms of this, to answer the
Speaker 5: initial question, Mike, in terms of seeming a Fantastic four
Speaker 5: thing and my history with it, this is the best
Speaker 5: Fantastic four movie I've ever seen in theaters. So that's
Speaker 5: the distinction that it has over the other three times
Speaker 5: I've been in the theater watching these same characters do
Speaker 5: similar things.
Speaker 2: So and father them alonew about yourself, you know, growing
Speaker 2: up in the seventies, I read a lot of Marvel
Speaker 2: as a kid up until about teenage of them, when
Speaker 2: I decided that horror comics were the way to go,
Speaker 2: and I didn't have any fealty to any comic book
Speaker 2: company after that, but definitely Marvel as a young kid,
Speaker 2: and Fantastic Four has sort of made for children almost
Speaker 2: And when I was reading comics in the seventies, I
Speaker 2: was effectively just reading the original run from the sixties,
Speaker 2: So it was all of this kind of material that
Speaker 2: ends up in this movie, which is bright and shiny
Speaker 2: and cosmic. Now, I never really had much use for
Speaker 2: the Fantastic Four. I always loved their peripheral characters. I
Speaker 2: think they have some of the best villains in Marvel.
Speaker 2: One of them is on display here for the first
Speaker 2: time Moleman and who I just I love as a character,
Speaker 2: Harvey Elder. But more than that is Galactis. But more
Speaker 2: than Galactis is the character norn Rad, the Silver Surfer,
Speaker 2: who is one of my maybe top five Marvel characters
Speaker 2: of all time. Just the existentialness of that character, the
Speaker 2: dilemma that he finds himself in, which is fully on
Speaker 2: display here, which I really appreciated. The first Fantastic Four movie,
Speaker 2: I saw was in ninety seven when I got a
Speaker 2: bootleg of the Corman produced flick, which we just reviewed
Speaker 2: over on my show just a few days ago. And
Speaker 2: then obviously the Yowen Griffiths That's how you pronounced that
Speaker 2: it's Welsh friend Griffiths. Those two movies, those were garbage.
Speaker 2: Even worse than that was the Josh Shrank Thing, which
Speaker 2: who on fucking planet thinks a dark and twisted versions
Speaker 2: of Fantastic for his Way to Go? It is literally
Speaker 2: the shiniest and brightest of the Marvel titles. So I
Speaker 2: had no expectations for this movie. All the trailers I
Speaker 2: saw I did not respond to at all. I didn't know,
Speaker 2: I didn't quite understand the Pedro Pascal casting, and I
Speaker 2: mean the rest of the cast seemed good to me, nevertheless,
Speaker 2: so my expectations were zero. This to me was one
Speaker 2: of the best superhero movies I've ever seen, honestly, not
Speaker 2: only the best film for Marvel since Endgame, but one
Speaker 2: of the best overall. I mean, whatever praise I heaped
Speaker 2: upon Superman for making a cinematic comic book, this one
Speaker 2: puts that to shame. This is a fully realized world
Speaker 2: with all of the pieces fitting together very subtly in
Speaker 2: some places. I loved. We always talk when we're talking
Speaker 2: about tell us some in the dark side, we always
Speaker 2: talk about the economy of those scripts that you said it, Chris,
Speaker 2: this is this movie is two hours. This movie it
Speaker 2: moves so fast.
Speaker 5: Maybe one hour and fifty five minutes. It's wild. It's
Speaker 5: a less than two hour Marvel movie in twenty twenty five, like.
Speaker 2: This movie starts four years in, catches up fucking immediately
Speaker 2: to where we are and gives us an incredible fucking
Speaker 2: dilemma and actually pulled off the fucking impossible in that
Speaker 2: it made Sue Storm one of the most powerful and
Speaker 2: interesting characters, whereas she has always been the most underwritten
Speaker 2: and boring Marvel characters. I loved the movie. I actually
Speaker 2: have seen it twice. I saw it last night and
Speaker 2: this morning I went and saw it again.
Speaker 5: But did you buy the eighty dollars popcorn BOOKT two?
Speaker 2: One for display, oh.
Speaker 5: My, one for eating, one for eating large, if not oversized,
Speaker 5: comical portions of cereal out of no just for.
Speaker 2: Eating all of the popcorn on planet Earth, and one
Speaker 2: sitting I hunger.
Speaker 5: What about you, Mike White, what's your experience in history
Speaker 5: with the fan four sticks.
Speaker 4: So I think Fantastic four might have been one of
Speaker 4: the first comics that I read. I remember specifically, my
Speaker 4: folks had a rental property and they were doing a
Speaker 4: lot of fixing it up before we could have Rentersts
Speaker 4: move in. I don't even remember how that happened, but
Speaker 4: I remember sitting around and reading an issue of the
Speaker 4: Fantastic Four, and I swear it was right around the
Speaker 4: time of the I Ran on the Iran hostage crisis,
Speaker 4: because I remember there was a parody song of Barbara Ran,
Speaker 4: the old surf.
Speaker 2: Song Bomb Iran, Bomb Iran.
Speaker 4: Yes, and that was playing on Dick Purtin and I
Speaker 4: was listening to that and reading this comic book. So
Speaker 4: very strange memory of that, but yeah, they were some
Speaker 4: of the first folks that I read as far as
Speaker 4: comic superheroes, And like you said about them alone, they're
Speaker 4: perfect for kids. And it's just this kind of candy
Speaker 4: colored world that they lived in, at least back in
Speaker 4: the sixties. And I love this retrofuturism vibe that they
Speaker 4: have with this where things are analog but they really
Speaker 4: shouldn't be. Things like Herbie with the tape deck in
Speaker 4: his head and how he's got different programs on tapes
Speaker 4: and everything. And when you see the Fantastic Car zooming
Speaker 4: through the city, you get to see like a robot
Speaker 4: dog walker or these little tiny cars that they have,
Speaker 4: and I'm just like, I love this world. I really
Speaker 4: like this Earth A two eight that they have where
Speaker 4: it feels like because of the Fantastic Four coming to be,
Speaker 4: or maybe just because of the way that the world
Speaker 4: played out, things are running differently, and we don't have transistors,
Speaker 4: we don't have the smaller technology. We still are using
Speaker 4: blackboards and things that are very analog, and I really
Speaker 4: like that. I like the look of this, and god,
Speaker 4: it is so different thinking about that Josh Trenk version
Speaker 4: where so much of it just took place in a
Speaker 4: fucking warehouse and it was just dark all the time,
Speaker 4: and this we're out in the daylight. I mean, even
Speaker 4: the stuff of Harvey Moulman is pretty bright. Once we
Speaker 4: get down into the subterranean world that he lives in,
Speaker 4: there's some light in there. It's not just dark, dark,
Speaker 4: dark the entire time. And then having Paul what's his name,
Speaker 4: Paul Walker, Walter Hawser, Oh, he is so great. I
Speaker 4: love so much he is so and then.
Speaker 2: At Johnny, I didn't address you.
Speaker 4: It was so nice having more Sue Storm in here,
Speaker 4: because I really feel like, at least those Tim Story
Speaker 4: movies were so much about Johnny and the Thing, and
Speaker 4: we've got a pretty good amount of the thing in here.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's tough. You've got four very strong characters
Speaker 4: and you're trying to balance all of them, and I
Speaker 4: think they do a good job. I really. If anything,
Speaker 4: I think read Richards might be a little bit opaque
Speaker 4: as far as his motivations and things, but I think
Speaker 4: that's that works well with him. It's almost like he's
Speaker 4: on the spectrum or something, and I'm really okay with that.
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you I just before we started recording,
Speaker 4: just realized that Johnny Storm is Eddie from Stranger Things.
Speaker 4: Could not put my finger on where I knew him from.
Speaker 4: Really don't get a good beat on Johnny Storm in
Speaker 4: this one other than he's a pretty smart guy, but
Speaker 4: he hasn't given the credit that he's due. And that
Speaker 4: he actually figures out that whole alien language. I'm pretty
Speaker 4: happy about that. I thought that was pretty great.
Speaker 5: He is a one point eighty from Chris Evans's Johnny Storm,
Speaker 5: which is perfectly fine though, because again again when people
Speaker 5: get bent out of shape about portrayals in the movies,
Speaker 5: my response tends to be, at this point in my life,
Speaker 5: you've read comic books at any point, there's no one
Speaker 5: there are singular standard bearers of the characters. If we're
Speaker 5: talking about like the singular Earth of the comic books
Speaker 5: in the Marvel comics, because like in the Marvel movies,
Speaker 5: there is one more or less decided upon Earth that most,
Speaker 5: if not a lot, of the things take place on.
Speaker 5: But there's plenty of variations on this character. Joseph Quinn's
Speaker 5: character is very different in a I would say an
Speaker 5: updated way, because I'm not sure that kind of character
Speaker 5: would really fly, Like I think he'd be way too
Speaker 5: easy to write in a way that the audience wouldn't
Speaker 5: want anything to do with him, and they'd be kind
Speaker 5: of put off by him.
Speaker 2: The Johnny Storm, the Chris Evans Johnny Storm was insufferable,
Speaker 2: but it was Chris Evans, so we put up with it.
Speaker 2: If you continued that character with anyone else, it would
Speaker 2: be just it would you would you would want to
Speaker 2: murder him basically right exactly.
Speaker 5: I mean, and look at what happened to his character
Speaker 5: and what Wolverine and Deadpool. I mean perfect that they
Speaker 5: traded in that, like they made it a point to
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, this guy's kind of fucking turd too,
Speaker 5: but again, like it works for that movie's benefit. Here
Speaker 5: it's this is a softer, more gentle for a gentler time.
Speaker 2: I like this portrayal of Johnny Storm because yeah, he's
Speaker 2: always portrayed as sort of the hot head, sort of
Speaker 2: showboat of the four, but you know, ultimately what he
Speaker 2: represents is the sort of teenager of the family, and
Speaker 2: there are other aspects to him. I loved that he
Speaker 2: figures out the translation of zen LA's language, the Zenla
Speaker 2: language in this and but at the same time he
Speaker 2: is really annoying, you know what I mean. It's funny
Speaker 2: and it's played for laps and everything, but if you
Speaker 2: were living with that guy, you would want to punch
Speaker 2: him all the time.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Well, I'm just glad that the thing isn't
Speaker 4: such a sad sack.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know if they give me
Speaker 2: read look at me, I'm so ugly.
Speaker 4: Oh god. The only person that thinks I'm cute is
Speaker 4: a blind lady? Oh god, I.
Speaker 5: Mean the way it was written back in the day.
Speaker 5: It's the way it was written back in the day.
Speaker 5: There's no way a woman would find this man attractive.
Speaker 5: Fuck you, he would, she wouldn't. He's literally a superhero.
Speaker 5: Bozo's it's self explanatory. Well, you're you gonna tell me
Speaker 5: it's because Natasha Leone has a really deep voice. That
Speaker 5: that's why. It's actually the other way around, Ben Grimm.
Speaker 5: When she opens her mouth, he goes, oh, I don't
Speaker 5: want to hear that voice.
Speaker 4: She's so cute.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, she rained in all her regular Natasha
Speaker 2: Leone here like that. It's not the sort of broad
Speaker 2: from Brooklyn. It's different character.
Speaker 5: My god, n to play less to type than she
Speaker 5: normally does, let's put that way.
Speaker 4: And I love that he's like the one of the
Speaker 4: few that I know of Jewish superheroes, and that he's
Speaker 4: very proud of his heritage, the whole thing, growing up
Speaker 4: on Yancey Street. But it's not like they're overplaying that either.
Speaker 4: It's not at least, Oh, I remember when I was
Speaker 4: growing up over here.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: It's instead of yeah, I grew up over there. Okay,
Speaker 4: nice small thing, and to give him the little taste
Speaker 4: of he's a really good cook and that's his science.
Speaker 4: Johanna can figure out the languages, and Red can do
Speaker 4: all of these calculations. But here's been in the kitchen
Speaker 4: cooking with Herbie.
Speaker 2: And he's a fucking hell of a pilot. And yes,
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, and how he's always been portrayed
Speaker 2: before is the sad, sack lonely guy who's just lovelauren.
Speaker 2: We get that in one scene. Speaking of the economy
Speaker 2: of the script, it's him watching himself on television and
Speaker 2: seeing what he used to look like, and they just
Speaker 2: cut to and what's amazing to me in this was
Speaker 2: it's a shot of a cgi face in a reflection
Speaker 2: of a window with a television on it, and you
Speaker 2: can see all the emotion. You see how sad he
Speaker 2: is about this, because that's when he looks over Natas
Speaker 2: Leon and decides to walk away. So that's I got
Speaker 2: all of that. Didn't need him crying about it for
Speaker 2: obscene after seeing I.
Speaker 5: Think, and this is again me just speaking broadly, because
Speaker 5: in the cases of something like Fantastic four or Superman
Speaker 5: or Spider Man or Batman. We have had so many
Speaker 5: retreads of this that we can go, well, they did
Speaker 5: it better and they didn't have to do it, and
Speaker 5: I don't feel obligated. Fantastic four once again proves that
Speaker 5: the audience at this point, mind you, maybe not fifteen
Speaker 5: twenty years ago. And I understand why they have now proved.
Speaker 5: I think once again, the audience are not fucking stupid.
Speaker 5: The audience knows the audience can do a little legwork
Speaker 5: on their own. And even if we don't have forty
Speaker 5: five minutes of the movie for setup of the origin story,
Speaker 5: which it's there is like a fair amount of setup
Speaker 5: in this movie, but it's not origin story set up,
Speaker 5: at least not of a certain kind. It's an orgin
Speaker 5: story of a different kind.
Speaker 2: Frankly, they give us that fucking like little documentary. It's brilliant.
Speaker 5: In this day and age, it's like, instead of showing
Speaker 5: us the whole damn thing, just give us the just
Speaker 5: give it the both points, give us the cliff Notes
Speaker 5: version for fuck's sake, and it works just as well,
Speaker 5: because once again, if you're able to do it economically,
Speaker 5: you get away with it. Spider Man did it rather well.
Speaker 5: Superman did it rather well, This did it rather well,
Speaker 5: and they all kind of trafficked in the same thing.
Speaker 5: Like it's not that we don't get the backstory. The
Speaker 5: backstories just peppered in throughout the movie, and so it
Speaker 5: kind of works better. It doesn't feel so stilted in
Speaker 5: terms of the flow.
Speaker 4: I think did it the best and kind of started
Speaker 4: off this idea of we don't have to show everything.
Speaker 4: Is that Edward Norton Hulk where it was just like
Speaker 4: the opening credits, We're going to show you the whole
Speaker 4: thing very quickly and then we carry on with the movie.
Speaker 4: We don't have to do the origin story every frickin' time.
Speaker 4: I mean, how many times do we have to see
Speaker 4: Peter Parker get bit by an radio active spider? I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm glad that those home movies that they had just
Speaker 4: went away from all that stuff.
Speaker 2: How many times have we been to fucking crime alley
Speaker 2: for God's sake. What I liked about this opening in
Speaker 2: this that little documentary where they give us the origin
Speaker 2: without giving us the origin, is that that we're at
Speaker 2: no point do we get to go out into space
Speaker 2: and see the cosmic rays hit them and watch this
Speaker 2: and that habit. Instead we watch them take off and
Speaker 2: then we see a ship crash and then the Thing's
Speaker 2: hand punch its way out of the craft. That's all
Speaker 2: we needed for the origin there. The other thing I
Speaker 2: loved about the opening is, like you said, it's sort
Speaker 2: of bullet points. We get like the greatest hits of
Speaker 2: what they've been doing for the past four years, like
Speaker 2: the major missions where the Thing is like hauling a
Speaker 2: burning tanker by its anchor chain into a harbor, and
Speaker 2: then Johnny Storm is putting out a fire at an
Speaker 2: electrical plant, And all I could think was, like, any
Speaker 2: one of these sequences would be the giant end set
Speaker 2: piece on any of the other Fantastic Four movies up
Speaker 2: until here, and they're just like burning through them at
Speaker 2: the beginning. The other thing I noticed in that the
Speaker 2: power plant sequence, when there's a crew on the ground
Speaker 2: who like salute him, thanks Johnny Storm. The two guys
Speaker 2: in front, the one saluting him and the one standing
Speaker 2: next to him. That's Jay Underwood and the fellow who
Speaker 2: played the Thing in the nineteen ninety four version, and
Speaker 2: then Alex Hyde White and I think Jessica Stop, I
Speaker 2: think her name was those two are reporters later in
Speaker 2: the movie. So that was a cool thing that they
Speaker 2: didn't need to do, and they fucking did it, and
Speaker 2: it made me very happy. I mean, I just watched
Speaker 2: the other one the other day, so it was a
Speaker 2: little obvious to me.
Speaker 5: But Michael Bailey Smith played Ben Grimm and I only
Speaker 5: know that because he was the guy who played gigantic
Speaker 5: Freddy Krueger in Elm Street five. Remember when it's like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, royd it out Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 5: So I think for me, and look, I'm a little
Speaker 5: biased because I do like even Moss Backrack in other things.
Speaker 5: Obviously the bear and the cooking thing with me was like, okay,
Speaker 5: like you're kind of trafficking in a little bit of
Speaker 5: what he's really known for now. But he's really good
Speaker 5: as the thing. But I think to the point that's
Speaker 5: already been made, I think Vanessa Kirby walks away with
Speaker 5: this movie and she's amazing. I like that. Again, as
Speaker 5: someone who's a fan of the comic books and the
Speaker 5: more recent stuff, definitely like the character of Malice is
Speaker 5: something that is a big part of her character, especially
Speaker 5: in the comic books and I know that she is
Speaker 5: has made it clear that is something that she wanted
Speaker 5: to bring to the character, and as someone who again
Speaker 5: is a fan of that character in the comics, it's
Speaker 5: a pipe dream to think that we'll ever get that
Speaker 5: in the movies. But at least she acknowledges and understands
Speaker 5: that that's an aspect of a character that isn't just
Speaker 5: its own separate thing. And she's kind of trafficking that
Speaker 5: because she doesn't really take anybody shit in this movie,
Speaker 5: which I appreciate. She has a lot of agency everyone.
Speaker 5: I mean, she is the founder of the Future Foundation.
Speaker 2: Yep, which is like so important in my line, negotiated
Speaker 2: the treaty with the moment exactly she I don't trust
Speaker 2: anyone up above ground except for Sue exactly.
Speaker 4: Everybody has to clear the room before he'll even have
Speaker 4: a conversation, right. And it's not one of those I
Speaker 4: think you're cute, Sue, so I'm going to talk with you,
Speaker 4: because we've seen that in other movies before too, where
Speaker 4: it's just the other guys. Is a worn dog for
Speaker 4: the hot superhero and sound for Fox's sake, and they
Speaker 4: don't strip her down to her bra and underwear in
Speaker 4: this movie, either just to show us that she's sexy
Speaker 4: or just fully naked, like oh no, yeah, covering the bits.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 5: A rather again, a rather like tame movie. In a
Speaker 5: lot of ways. I like that the movie opens with
Speaker 5: Sue Storm and read Richard's having just like a genuine
Speaker 5: conversation and it and just the two of them talking
Speaker 5: about like just life, and there's this kind of the
Speaker 5: pretext of the moment before she tells them she's pregnant.
Speaker 5: But I mean, I don't like what a refreshing change
Speaker 5: from pretty much everything Marvel has been doing up until.
Speaker 2: This point, and which make for any for a fantastic
Speaker 2: for movie. We finally have characters that are seem to
Speaker 2: genuinely like each other and have feel like relationships, yeah,
Speaker 2: and feel like a family. And then I'm completely invested
Speaker 2: in they seem to have skipped all of the origin
Speaker 2: story bullshit, and this actually does feel lived in, which
Speaker 2: is so important now and.
Speaker 6: It's almost like, go ahead ahead, Well, I was gonna say,
Speaker 6: they have to be a family, they have to be
Speaker 6: a unit because they are put into jeopardy with this
Speaker 6: whole thing of Galactus wanting that baby, and if they
Speaker 6: weren't a tight family unit, there would be fracks among them.
Speaker 4: And as far as I saw in the movie, there's
Speaker 4: nobody casting doubt other than Reid Richards because, like I said,
Speaker 4: he's this fucking mad genius where it's just the needs
Speaker 4: of the one, the needs of the many outweigh the
Speaker 4: needs of the few kind of thing. And I'm just like, Okay, Spock, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I gotcha, But he's not going to give up his
Speaker 4: child either. They have to be that tight unit. If
Speaker 4: it was fucking hot head Chris Evans or Michael Chickliss
Speaker 4: or oh god, any of the Miles Teller like, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't believe that they're Michael B. Jordan. Oh, Jesus Christ,
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: What a what a nice time that Michael B. Jordan
Speaker 5: has had getting far away from that fucking awful movie,
Speaker 5: because man to be kill Monger, to be brought back
Speaker 5: in that second Black Panther movie, because you were, because
Speaker 5: they because you were so good in the first one,
Speaker 5: they brought you back in the second one.
Speaker 4: Like Kilmager is one of the best characters that they've had,
Speaker 4: one of the best villains that the Marvel Universe has
Speaker 4: ever had.
Speaker 2: That he dies. This is the second character that even
Speaker 2: Ben Backrack has played in Marvel that's been really good.
Speaker 2: He was micro on the Punisher series.
Speaker 4: That's right, Oh, that's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he has the thing, plays the character. It's it's
Speaker 5: in my mind it's really understated, but I think it
Speaker 5: needs to be because I almost feel like everybody gets
Speaker 5: out of the way of Vanessa Kirby. But I think
Speaker 5: that's important because it's so clear given that again, it's
Speaker 5: and the plot of the movie is not made apparent
Speaker 5: in the preview, but once gets right, I agree. I agree,
Speaker 5: once the movie gets rolling, it really is Galactus sees
Speaker 5: Franklin Richards the son of Sue and read as his replacement,
Speaker 5: which I mean in the comic books, he's he is
Speaker 5: a cosmic being. It is made very clear that in
Speaker 5: the in this MCU they're going in some direction similar
Speaker 5: to the way he's been portrayed before, but there's none
Speaker 5: of that in the trailers. And so when you find
Speaker 5: out that it's Galactus wanting the child and all of that,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I think to both of your points,
Speaker 5: like it had to almost be Sustorm's movie because it's
Speaker 5: again it's so focused on the child and the fact
Speaker 5: that they're all family and believable family is the reason
Speaker 5: this works. Like you said, Father Malonely, you have to
Speaker 5: be a family unit of people. That's otherwise this movie fails.
Speaker 5: Like put two seconds out of the gate.
Speaker 2: This whole movie is about defending your children.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
Speaker 2: It very much reminded me of if anyone watched the
Speaker 2: television series torch Wood, which is a spinoff series of
Speaker 2: Doctor Who. Their third season was a five episode arc
Speaker 2: called Children of Earth where an alien intelligence shows up
Speaker 2: and secretly amongst the government demands ten percent of the
Speaker 2: children of Earth that they're going to use for whatever
Speaker 2: purposes they're going to. What they believe is they boil
Speaker 2: them down for recreational chemicals basically, or they're going to
Speaker 2: destroy everyone on Earth. And it is harrowing and awful
Speaker 2: and left me dazed that series. So the fact that
Speaker 2: they kind of sneak it into this light entertainment here,
Speaker 2: this threat of we're going to destroy your world unless
Speaker 2: you give us that kid, and they deal with it
Speaker 2: because the people on Earth are fucking angry about it.
Speaker 2: Maybe you should give them your kids. We'd like to live.
Speaker 2: It's one child verse. It is the needs of the
Speaker 2: many versus the needs of the one.
Speaker 5: And it's the first time seemingly anyone on this planet
Speaker 5: has had an issue with the Fantastic Four.
Speaker 4: Also exactly, they all love them, and it's so important
Speaker 4: that we set up that montage at the beginning with everyone,
Speaker 4: thank you Fantastic four and those little dots creating the
Speaker 4: Big Four for that television special.
Speaker 2: Everyone who has a little flag yeah or that little.
Speaker 6: That obnoxious guys say the line say the line. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: this is kind of nice.
Speaker 4: I like that there's a difference between cartoon Fantastic Four
Speaker 4: and real life Fantastic Four. And Ben's just Nope, that's
Speaker 4: not what I say.
Speaker 2: Okay, my favorite I mentioned my favorite character that appears
Speaker 2: in this thing. It's the Silver Surfer. And because this
Speaker 2: is Earth eight one eight, we're in a different universe.
Speaker 2: What we're given is Sheella Ball, who is noorin Rad's
Speaker 2: wife on Zen Law. So in the original conception of
Speaker 2: the character, and we got a version of it in
Speaker 2: that Rise of the Silver Surfer movie with Doug Jones
Speaker 2: playing the character with Laurence Fishburne doing the voice nor
Speaker 2: in Rad is. The plot is that Galactus shows up
Speaker 2: to his planet says I'm going to eat your planet
Speaker 2: unless you become my herald, and he says, okay, I'll
Speaker 2: do it and leaves his wife and child and then
Speaker 2: lines up being safe. They've just flopped that here and
Speaker 2: made his wife the character who is now the herald
Speaker 2: of Galactus, and they eliminate noorin Rad from the plot here.
Speaker 2: So this is a fully different universe of the Silver Surfer.
Speaker 2: But I got to say, at twenty minutes into this movie,
Speaker 2: the Silver Surfer shows up and her opening shot, it
Speaker 2: was fucking breathtaking. The realization of this character, like compared
Speaker 2: to that earlier version of it, or any of the
Speaker 2: earlier tests of any sort of chrome character I've ever seen,
Speaker 2: just like this is bread taking. And not only just
Speaker 2: that sort of opening scene, but like we get cosmic
Speaker 2: surfing in this movie that I oh my god, God,
Speaker 2: thank god, man, I left my body. Man when she
Speaker 2: they're in that nebula and she's like surfing along. Oh boy,
Speaker 2: I wanted to watch the movie again right now for
Speaker 2: that fucking scene.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: I never in a million years would have thought they
Speaker 5: would actually show that. It feels so weird in the
Speaker 5: mcu now to be seeing things that, yeah, she's a
Speaker 5: silver surfer, and she's not just called that. She has
Speaker 5: a surfboard, not just for a reason like she does
Speaker 5: it because there are times where she has to do that,
Speaker 5: like it's just it is a form of conveyance.
Speaker 2: But oh yeah, you get her on that board. Yes,
Speaker 2: if she's on that board, you're fucked man.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I love the mirroring of the scene of her
Speaker 4: coming to Earth and warning us versus later on when
Speaker 4: they've got all of the recordings, the voice recordings from
Speaker 4: her home planet. I love that that both of those
Speaker 4: are taking place in that time of square area, which
Speaker 4: is where like the whole end of the movie happens
Speaker 4: and everything. I thought that was really nice, just very
Speaker 4: very smart filmmaking. And of course there are nods to
Speaker 4: other things that we've seen. I love the little thing
Speaker 4: with the Latveria plaque but nobody's there, that country's missing
Speaker 4: from the big foundation, or that they called the ship
Speaker 4: the Excelsior. I'm just like, oh, yeah, that's great. That's
Speaker 4: how stan Lee used to sign off every like stand
Speaker 4: soapbox and everything. I thought that was so nice that
Speaker 4: they weren't just like hammering us with stuff and just
Speaker 4: giving us enough of those little fan moments, like that
Speaker 4: they have the mole Man, but they actually bring him
Speaker 4: back into the movie later on. I was like, Oh, wow,
Speaker 4: that's actually really smart. Or just that little throwaway moment
Speaker 4: of the green creature that's coming up through the city streets,
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, there's the cover of the first Fantastic Four.
Speaker 4: That's so nice. And I love that they do those
Speaker 4: little things without just oh, well, look in the background
Speaker 4: and if you see this and this, and Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: I was definitely looking in the background, just taking in
Speaker 4: all of those moments, but it was just because the
Speaker 4: city was so cool looking and just so much fun
Speaker 4: to kind of see, like, how does this world work?
Speaker 4: I guess if you like Canada Dry, you are really
Speaker 4: in business, because they've got Canada Dry advertising all over.
Speaker 2: The place and seven up the whole the splash pages
Speaker 2: kind of thing that they keep doing in the movie
Speaker 2: anytime they slow action down to give us a tableau.
Speaker 2: Earlier in any Marvel film, sort of prior to something
Speaker 2: of like Avengers, it's almost like in the middle of
Speaker 2: some big action moment and they basically do a freeze
Speaker 2: frame to let us Okay, here's a comic book panel
Speaker 2: for you. Here here, it's anytime the movie slows down,
Speaker 2: so you get these sort of poetic moments with the
Speaker 2: Silver Surfer when Johnny grabs her surfboard for the first
Speaker 2: time and they're floating together and it's it's so gorgeous.
Speaker 2: And then later when she's sort of having her crisis
Speaker 2: of conscience, she sort of floats up and it's just
Speaker 2: hanging in front of the moon. I was like, this
Speaker 2: is fucking beautiful. And it didn't feel like they stopped
Speaker 2: to do it. It felt like organic to the plot.
Speaker 2: I fucking love this movie.
Speaker 4: I loved when she shows up for the first time
Speaker 4: and you get all of the people's reactions, and you
Speaker 4: get those two guys in an office building and they
Speaker 4: do a reverse shot over their shoulder. You see her
Speaker 4: in the background and it's Timely Comics and you can
Speaker 4: see pages out of comic books and stuff, and like, oh,
Speaker 4: that's nice. We're not going for the obvious. We're not saying, oh,
Speaker 4: this is a Marvel Comics office. No, this is Timely Comics,
Speaker 4: which will eventually evolve. But this is so nice that
Speaker 4: we just get a little nod to these guys working
Speaker 4: overnight coloring their comic books and setting up for the
Speaker 4: next issue as we have the new Silver Surfer outside.
Speaker 5: And I looked at the names of the people involved
Speaker 5: with the film in terms of the screen writing, and
Speaker 5: so there are four names that are listed. There's Josh Friedman,
Speaker 5: Eric Pearson, Jeff Kaplan, and Ian Springer.
Speaker 2: There's one more for story, right, yeah.
Speaker 5: There is one more for story. Cat would so the
Speaker 5: two names I mentioned at the top, Josh Free and
Speaker 5: Eric Pearson. Eric Pearson worked on and co wrote Thunderbolts,
Speaker 5: and then Black Widow and Thor Ragnarok and Agent Carter,
Speaker 5: and there are a couple uncredited rewrites on certain things
Speaker 5: like Spider Man Homecoming or Quantum Mania. And then Josh Friedman.
Speaker 5: He this is his first, Like Marvel, he worked on
Speaker 5: something that I really hadn't enjoyed. He worked on Terminator.
Speaker 5: The Sarah Connor chronicles that, yes, the series is way
Speaker 5: better than had any write to be. That kind of
Speaker 5: has been unfortunately forgotten in all the other Terminator bad things.
Speaker 5: As maybe one of the few good things the Terminator
Speaker 5: actually did.
Speaker 2: After part two. I think it's the only worthy thing
Speaker 2: other than the video game.
Speaker 5: I'm inclined to agree with you. But all that to say,
Speaker 5: I'm really glad that Marvel is working with people that
Speaker 5: they have not worked with before in these things, but
Speaker 5: also still having people that they're continuing to work with
Speaker 5: in those rooms as well, because I think it's helping
Speaker 5: balance out the problems that we've been having with a
Speaker 5: lot of these Marvel movies, which is they just get
Speaker 5: stuck in these ruts of doing the same thing, not
Speaker 5: because it's easy, but because it's just kind of the
Speaker 5: way Marvel does things. This I think maybe all would
Speaker 5: agree with me. This is almost a typical of a
Speaker 5: Marvel movie at this point in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: There's what three action scenes in this movie, maybe four,
Speaker 5: and they're pretty economical too for the most part, and
Speaker 5: they work rather well and they're good additions to what's
Speaker 5: going on, but they're not necessarily the focus, because the
Speaker 5: focus is it's a character drama almost like really it's
Speaker 5: a family piece. And I don't know, like I've been
Speaker 5: kind of preaching about this and bitching about this since
Speaker 5: Captain America came out, But if you know what the
Speaker 5: source material style you want to go for is lean
Speaker 5: into it and they leaned really hard into it here
Speaker 5: and it worked like Gangbusters, clearly. And I'm glad because
Speaker 5: maybe Marvel will continue to be creative and work themselves
Speaker 5: out of these ruts that they work themselves into, because yeah,
Speaker 5: this is a lot of this movie just feels atypical
Speaker 5: of what we've been seeing of Marvel recently.
Speaker 2: I think it's good that they're working with the same
Speaker 2: people in some cases here because or promoting people from within.
Speaker 2: Because Matt Shackman, he shepherded all of WandaVision. He directed
Speaker 2: every single one of those and what created that show,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure was the showrunner overall, so he got
Speaker 2: to learn how to tell a story in ten episodes
Speaker 2: or twelve episodes. So he's the perfect guy to tell
Speaker 2: it in two hours because he can cut off all
Speaker 2: of the fat and get it all down to its
Speaker 2: essential components. And I'd also like to point out that
Speaker 2: if you read the comics at all, Franklin Reid, his
Speaker 2: first governess was Agatha Harkness.
Speaker 1: Nice. Nice.
Speaker 4: Yeah. If I had one complain about the movie, though,
Speaker 4: it would be that it's it feels rushed sometimes. I
Speaker 4: know that's very opposite of what you were saying. Chris
Speaker 4: where you're like, I'm a little bored in parts. But
Speaker 4: for me, a lot of times it felt like and
Speaker 4: sometimes I'm okay with this as far as it feels
Speaker 4: like almost the beginnings and endings are cut off a
Speaker 4: little bit of each scene just to move it along
Speaker 4: a little bit more. But I was like, I kind
Speaker 4: of like to see a little bit more. But I
Speaker 4: think that's just because I was enjoying the world so
Speaker 4: much and enjoying these characters, And if anything, I would
Speaker 4: have liked to have spent more time with these characters.
Speaker 4: I would have liked to have known them a little
Speaker 4: bit more. But it tells a story in less than
Speaker 4: two hours, which is pretty freaking remarkable, especially because when
Speaker 4: I booked the tickets for the theater, it was two
Speaker 4: and a half hours that they allotted for it. And
Speaker 4: I guess a lot of that was the pre show.
Speaker 2: So it took twenty minutes of trailers, baby, and then
Speaker 2: ten minutes there they're fucking commercials, exactly.
Speaker 5: Two trailers in front of our movie, and that was it.
Speaker 5: Really two wow wow, And they were both Disney things.
Speaker 5: Huh we have Avatar and aries trying Oh okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: I had both of those, Yeah, and then we had gosh,
Speaker 4: the New Aeronofsky, The Knew Paul Thomas Anderson and something else.
Speaker 4: But all three of those it was like, I don't
Speaker 4: want us see these, which was surprising that I would
Speaker 4: say that about a Paul Thomas Anderson film.
Speaker 2: Oh, Mike, I know, I know.
Speaker 4: Leo wins me over sometimes.
Speaker 5: Leona Apple warned you.
Speaker 2: She tried the action scenes in the movie, by the way,
Speaker 2: some of them the sort of main The initial one
Speaker 2: really is Galactus. It's when they jet off to Galactus
Speaker 2: for the first time, so leading up to the action sequence,
Speaker 2: which is the escape from Galactus. The sense of scale
Speaker 2: and the sense of awe leading up to and including
Speaker 2: when Galactus finally fucking leans down and you get the
Speaker 2: sense of how fucking huge he is and how tiny
Speaker 2: we are is something I haven't experienced, I don't think
Speaker 2: in any Marble film.
Speaker 5: No, that's I was gonna say, Man, Like, of all
Speaker 5: the things that this movie does right is they don't
Speaker 5: fuck up Galactus and man talk about the MCU going
Speaker 5: as far as to stop doing the big villain characters
Speaker 5: for some of their characters initially because they don't want
Speaker 5: to blow them like they did with Red Skull, and
Speaker 5: I mean Red Skull is obviously, in my mind like
Speaker 5: the worst one.
Speaker 2: Well that's because they fucking brought him back as some
Speaker 2: mystic celestials kill everybody.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean he's transcended that though, And to be fair, now,
Speaker 5: you could just bring in Red Skull from Earth wherever.
Speaker 2: Fucking stop it.
Speaker 5: Hey, don't look at me. I'm not the one who
Speaker 5: decided multiverses were an easy way to fink.
Speaker 2: The war can't come fucking fast enough.
Speaker 5: I know, I'm And that's the thing. I'm so glad
Speaker 5: that this movie wasn't a like retcon horseshit machine, because
Speaker 5: that's what it would have been. If that's what it
Speaker 5: would have been. If they had not figured out the
Speaker 5: multiverse scenario that we're in now, it would have been
Speaker 5: like the Fantastic Four existed and we didn't know anything
Speaker 5: about it, and why haven't they been mentioned? This movie
Speaker 5: would have just been the Eternals, because isn't that The
Speaker 5: problem the Eternals had was like where the fuck were
Speaker 5: you guys this whole time? And you can't I mean,
Speaker 5: you can't do the I'm not saying you can't do
Speaker 5: the Fantastic Four without the retro futurism.
Speaker 2: But well, you could have done like they've done with
Speaker 2: the earlier versions of Shield. They have Pank Pim and
Speaker 2: they had Agent Carter and so so they could have
Speaker 2: said no. Yeah, in the nineteen sixties, the Fantastic Four
Speaker 2: went up and they got their powers, and they did
Speaker 2: a couple of secret missions. Firth and they went up
Speaker 2: for some other mission and they disappeared. That's how they
Speaker 2: could just sort of redcon that. But having them be
Speaker 2: in their own univers is fucking perfect.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: I like them there. Here's the thing. My fear going
Speaker 2: into this movie was this was going to end in tragedy,
Speaker 2: that Galactus was going to win and they were going
Speaker 2: to have to escape and they would be the only
Speaker 2: ones escaping from their universe into ours, and then I
Speaker 2: was just gonna feel bad for them for the rest
Speaker 2: of the fucking run of the Fantastic Four in the MCU,
Speaker 2: because they would be like Superman or fucking any of
Speaker 2: these people like you know, four for Christ's sake.
Speaker 5: I get the distinct feeling that the way that this
Speaker 5: plays out is Franklin Richards puts them in the MCU
Speaker 5: universe unintentionally through some sort of because again, like that's
Speaker 5: the power level of that character, as he can bend
Speaker 5: like space and time. And so now, because again to
Speaker 5: your point, Father Blow, we talked about this at the
Speaker 5: end of the Thunderbolt episode. I was under the impression,
Speaker 5: I think we all were that the Thunderbolts movie and
Speaker 5: the post credit scene implied that Galactus eight Earth right
Speaker 5: Earth eight to eight, and that's, you know what, Good
Speaker 5: on them for practicing restraint and not doing that. However,
Speaker 5: I also feel like that's because of the other thing
Speaker 5: that happened last year, about a year ago now, which
Speaker 5: is the casting of one Robert Downey Junior as Iron
Speaker 5: Man replacement Doctor Doom, which I'm assuming is the case
Speaker 5: in this universe. In this universe, there's not an iron Man,
Speaker 5: there's a fucking Victor von Doom who's essentially gonna just
Speaker 5: be dark iron Man, which I mean, again, you have
Speaker 5: Tony Stark, the actor who played him in that role,
Speaker 5: So it makes perfect sense in my mind. Anyways, and clearly,
Speaker 5: I mean, if they had destroyed Earth, then it would
Speaker 5: have been where is this doctor Doom coming from? But
Speaker 5: now it's like he's this universe is doctor Doom.
Speaker 2: Right, well, they could have just pulled him from some
Speaker 2: other universe. And by the way, more than ever, I'm
Speaker 2: unhappy with the Robert Downey Junior casting as Victor von
Speaker 2: Doom given what we got in this movie. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: level of imagination and the perfect spot on casting like
Speaker 2: across the board, like who these people could have cast
Speaker 2: for doctor Doom given a wide open net, Like I
Speaker 2: maybe it'll be good. I don't know. I just think
Speaker 2: it's a huge mistake.
Speaker 5: It I think is the biggest issue I have with
Speaker 5: this movie, because the lat veria like random mentions and
Speaker 5: stuff do feel a little like.
Speaker 2: No, I'm fine with this, this is this is a
Speaker 2: Galactus story that says that's my point. That's about the
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 5: Focus on that, focus on that because doctor Dum is
Speaker 5: such a big threat. Don't hint at it because it
Speaker 5: reminds me, like you said, Father Malone, of the Robert
Speaker 5: Downey Junior thing, which I agree with you wholeheartedly. A
Speaker 5: year ago, I was maybe like just more shocked than
Speaker 5: anything else, and now I'm just kind of like it
Speaker 5: is kind of subsumed everything as the thing that is
Speaker 5: kind of like all anyone is focusing on It's like, it's.
Speaker 4: Like when the Hulk lands at the Santonius or whatever
Speaker 4: they doctor strangest place and the nose is coming. Now
Speaker 4: we're all sitting around here going, Robert Downey Junior is
Speaker 4: coming back.
Speaker 5: Right, and we know it like we know it. Imagine
Speaker 5: if we hadn't known it and they had revealed it
Speaker 5: at the end of this movie. Oh God, yes, dude,
Speaker 5: we would have all collectively lost. And you know what,
Speaker 5: I don't understand why they passed up that opportunity, because,
Speaker 5: you know what, it's great to do it at the
Speaker 5: Hall in fucking San Diego right now. It's I mean,
Speaker 5: Comic CON's going on, was this past week type thing.
Speaker 5: But you're telling me that you would rather have that
Speaker 5: one video of people reacting to Robert Downey Junior than
Speaker 5: it being played over and over and over in movie
Speaker 5: theaters from here until Eternity as the one of the
Speaker 5: greatest twists in cinema just to see. Could you imagine
Speaker 5: how many people would have just gone ape shit if
Speaker 5: they had seen that on screen. That's what could have happened.
Speaker 5: I don't know why the answer wasn't just will reveal
Speaker 5: who doctor Doom is in Fantastic Four. You will see
Speaker 5: who he is at the end of the movie, Like,
Speaker 5: why spoil it, because, like you said, father, Like, even
Speaker 5: if it hadn't been Robert Downey Jr. Whoever it would
Speaker 5: have been, would have just been like amazingly insane because
Speaker 5: we know that that's the villain of the next two movies.
Speaker 2: They need to have revealed. They need to have revealed
Speaker 2: anything here. They could have just done what they did
Speaker 2: and have the hair walk back into the room and
Speaker 2: see this green cloaked figure and you'd be like, oh fuck,
Speaker 2: and then that's the end of the movie. By the way,
Speaker 2: speaking of the end of the movie, uh, it's a
Speaker 2: happy ending. They pushed Galactus into this black hole and
Speaker 2: send him into another universe. Did the Fantastic Four, by
Speaker 2: any chance doom us here on Earth? Because that's kind
Speaker 2: of how it feels.
Speaker 5: But they didn'tush him into another universe. They pushed him
Speaker 5: to the other side of their universe, right without his spaceship.
Speaker 4: Like the Delta quatern or something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it'll take him millions of years to get
Speaker 5: to us, which I mean, Look, there's a couple narrative
Speaker 5: conceits in this movie that I feel like are kind
Speaker 5: of hokey, like the we're gonna all save our energy together,
Speaker 5: okay movie, we're gonna turn off the world power grid.
Speaker 2: You did see the world that they live in, right.
Speaker 2: I never always gonna say it, but they're all under
Speaker 2: one banner and the only country not participating in Slatveria.
Speaker 5: I get that. I get it, I get it. I
Speaker 5: was gonna say the movie gets around, it's narrative conceited.
Speaker 5: That's fine, but again to your point, father Malone, it's
Speaker 5: a happy ending movie, which I was not expecting when
Speaker 5: the lactus is involved.
Speaker 4: I honestly thought when the power grids started to go down,
Speaker 4: when they were trying to do the whole we're gonna
Speaker 4: move Earth out of the way thing instead of move
Speaker 4: Galactus out of the way, when those grids started going down,
Speaker 4: I was thinking, oh shit, was that Latvaria just refusing
Speaker 4: to be part of this and turning off their grid?
Speaker 4: And I thought we were going to go in a
Speaker 4: whole other direction. All of the SUDA.
Speaker 5: I thought the same thing because they kept showing the
Speaker 5: map and I was like, it starts in eastern Europe
Speaker 5: and I was like, wait a second, is that No,
Speaker 5: it wasn't like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and then I was like, oh, okay, no,
Speaker 4: it's just the Silver Surfer having incredible powers, which is
Speaker 4: so nice to see just how powerful she is, because
Speaker 4: that's what the Silver Surfer can do. It's none of
Speaker 4: this bullshit just oh I can be so easily defeated.
Speaker 4: It takes a fucking lot to defeat this person. And
Speaker 4: she ultimately in conjunction with Sue and they get everybody
Speaker 4: else on board and stuff, but ultimately it is her.
Speaker 4: It is a Silver Surfer that defeats Galactus, which is
Speaker 4: just absolutely appropriate that she gets her revenge for her
Speaker 4: own planet.
Speaker 2: It's great. It's the two mothers who defeat Galactus.
Speaker 5: Yes, right, yes, And how great is Ralph inison? Is Galactus?
Speaker 2: Fantastic?
Speaker 5: And then it was a practical effect, like they built
Speaker 5: a suit for this man and he was like in
Speaker 5: a Galactas suit. Good on them for doing that, even
Speaker 5: because it yields dividends. Really, I love the way he
Speaker 5: looks in this movie, like he's to Mike's point earlier
Speaker 5: about the fucking floating cloud, which they because they couldn't
Speaker 5: commit to just a giant dude floating through space in
Speaker 5: a big.
Speaker 2: Would look silly. You can't do it. It be silly.
Speaker 5: It would he could be inside of a spaceship again,
Speaker 5: like who cares? Right, Like just again they think that
Speaker 5: audiences used to want to go watch comic book movies
Speaker 5: that made comic books boring. And it's like, we read
Speaker 5: comic books because they're exciting and fun and over the
Speaker 5: top and bombastic, but then also they can be all
Speaker 5: kinds of other things, but don't try to take what
Speaker 5: makes comic books out of them and set them in
Speaker 5: the real world. And it has to be real and
Speaker 5: reality like why And it was so refreshing to watch
Speaker 5: the MCU just go yeah, like at some point we
Speaker 5: are going to stop trying to make everything in real
Speaker 5: life and just accept that this guy's just building a
Speaker 5: suit of armor and he can fly around in it,
Speaker 5: and we have a god and all of those things
Speaker 5: can interact science basically like they do in the comics,
Speaker 5: and that's not a problem for the audience. And this
Speaker 5: movie really is like the one of the better examples
Speaker 5: of like the audience is on board from the first
Speaker 5: moment we're watching the movie, and by minute fifty when
Speaker 5: a guy in a giant space chair jumps down and
Speaker 5: starts antagonizing our heroes. Everybody's like this, cool, we're on board.
Speaker 5: You already got me through the door, and I'm on
Speaker 5: board with you. And that's again tell Us in two
Speaker 5: thousand and eight about this movie being like this, and
Speaker 5: I don't think I think our brains would have collectively melted.
Speaker 2: I loved when Galactus just the I mentioned the sense
Speaker 2: of scale when they're on his ship, but the whole
Speaker 2: sequence at the end when he's chomping around the city
Speaker 2: is so incredible. Man, just watching him turn in a
Speaker 2: building behind him you can see all the glass shatter
Speaker 2: on a skyscraper, or him balancing himself on buildings, speaking
Speaker 2: of buildings in the earth in the opening scene, not
Speaker 2: to keep jumping around, but in the opening when we
Speaker 2: get the mole Man's first exploits where he takes the
Speaker 2: pan Am building and drops it into the ground again
Speaker 2: another sequence that would have been the big payoff of
Speaker 2: any other action movie like that was fucking fantastic and
Speaker 2: felt fun and not horribly destructive, whereas here at the
Speaker 2: end where Galactus is going crazy, just the sense of
Speaker 2: destruction was unlike anything we've seen in some time, and
Speaker 2: felt more personal than we've seen in some time. I
Speaker 2: know I always say about superhero movies since day one,
Speaker 2: we don't need them to save the world. It can
Speaker 2: be a personal story, like it can just be a
Speaker 2: couple of characters versus a couple of other characters, and
Speaker 2: we'll fucking go with it. But in this case, if
Speaker 2: you're gonna have them save the world, here's the way
Speaker 2: to fucking do it. Have a fucking giant celestial character
Speaker 2: tramping around and you're flailing trying to stop him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I love the look. Again, going back to that and
Speaker 4: thinking about even their handler, who's played by Sarah Niles,
Speaker 4: I think she's a great character. I kind of wish
Speaker 4: I would have seen a little bit more of her,
Speaker 4: but her with her blue coat that she always wears
Speaker 4: like she's part of the team, and then even in
Speaker 4: their big un type building, like all the chairs are blue,
Speaker 4: and I just love that the blue carries through with everything,
Speaker 4: just to We've seen Theirs in the past movies and
Speaker 4: they've never been this bright a shade of blue before.
Speaker 4: We've never had a bright and shiny world in which
Speaker 4: they live, and with this retro futurism, it just gives
Speaker 4: everything this kind of candy colored sheen to it and
Speaker 4: I love it. I just it's a feast for the eyes,
Speaker 4: which a lot of these movies think about. I'm talking
Speaker 4: about you, Quantumnium, talking about you, thor Love and Thunder.
Speaker 4: A lot of these just look like shit, and this
Speaker 4: one looked really good.
Speaker 5: The sense of style that they allow Matt Shackman to
Speaker 5: have is shocking.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 5: Like I keep harping, I imagine if they had been
Speaker 5: letting everybody do this from the get go. I know
Speaker 5: why they didn't, we all get it, but just imagine.
Speaker 5: I don't know in a lot of ways, like Father
Speaker 5: Malone already mentioned it, but I think it kind of
Speaker 5: bears a little bit of talking about now, Like imagine
Speaker 5: now knowing what you've seen, is James Gunn what you
Speaker 5: can do in response to the MCU with the DCU,
Speaker 5: and that the audiences are now more receptive to just
Speaker 5: doing whatever the fuck you want because we're just gonna
Speaker 5: tell the stories that people want to see. And if
Speaker 5: it Robert Pattinson's Batman is not ever with the Nicholas
Speaker 5: Holts Lex Luthor, So what that doesn't mean you don't
Speaker 5: get Robey Patten.
Speaker 2: Separate, You know what? I I don't want that. I
Speaker 2: don't want that Pattinson Batman running into mixed mister mix
Speaker 2: like right, or bat.
Speaker 5: Might or any of that. Yeah, and James Gunn's stuff
Speaker 5: allows for that, And that's the thing that is the
Speaker 5: bummer here. And I think it's the transition point in
Speaker 5: my mind of what does this look like when they
Speaker 5: interact with the characters from.
Speaker 2: The ncu' wait actually awesome.
Speaker 5: Because half of it's just gonna be like, why do
Speaker 5: you look like this? What is with your outfits like
Speaker 5: and your uniforms and your sense of style? And because
Speaker 5: again that's the thing. At the end of the Thunderbolts
Speaker 5: we saw them reacting to the ship, not to the
Speaker 5: ship itself, but the fact that there was a ship
Speaker 5: in their orbit. Part of it would be like, what
Speaker 5: the fuck does why does the ship look like that?
Speaker 5: Because again it looks so markedly different than anything we've
Speaker 5: seen in any of the MCU, even the most Again,
Speaker 5: to point out something that I think this movie does
Speaker 5: better than Black Panther, to speak to the retrofuturism that
Speaker 5: they actually do in this Unlike Black Panther here it
Speaker 5: works really well. But yeah, you have to essentially create
Speaker 5: an entire new universe around this, because there's no way
Speaker 5: right now with the MCU the way it is to
Speaker 5: do it any other way. So to your point, by
Speaker 5: them alone, Like, I can't wait to see where they
Speaker 5: go with it. But they have to address it because
Speaker 5: there's no way that they don't like it's so stark
Speaker 5: a contrast between Earth eight to eight and Earth six
Speaker 5: to six.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure they'll definitely address it. I'm sure it'll
Speaker 2: be a source of comedy in future movies. And what
Speaker 2: I liked here is that it seems like since studios
Speaker 2: started taking superhero movies seriously, there has been a push
Speaker 2: to get as far from comic book accurate costumes as possible,
Speaker 2: starting with the X Men. Let's put them all in
Speaker 2: black leather. Okay, sure, that makes it somehow more relatable
Speaker 2: to the real world, I guess, so to have them
Speaker 2: lean so fucking heavy into the original look of the
Speaker 2: Fantastic Four. But what I discovered here is because I
Speaker 2: watched the ninety four version, and they replicate the costumes
Speaker 2: of the comic book almost exactly in that as well.
Speaker 2: The difference one, yeah, the difference is of course that
Speaker 2: these are heavily stitched and designed, and there's an eye
Speaker 2: towards a real world version of those costumes. So you
Speaker 2: can do anything, and we'll fucking go with I mean, now,
Speaker 2: after fucking Deadpool and Wolverine, when we've got a comic
Speaker 2: accurate remy Lebau. These days, you can pretty much get
Speaker 2: away with anything.
Speaker 5: But I'm surprised you mentioned the good old Channing Tatum
Speaker 5: and not that Wolverine like screen accurate or the comic book.
Speaker 2: Which one the tiny one in the bar one yellow?
Speaker 5: The tiny one is the best one. The yellow one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the tiny one's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, the yellow one. I mean we finally get
Speaker 5: the Wolverine with the with the vertical.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no, certainly, yeah, Oh yeah, Batman facing each other,
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: And when you put that fucking mask on, like everyone
Speaker 2: in the fucking theater cheered, and it's such a one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty degrees from before like it, we cannot
Speaker 2: ever show him in this. This is no one will
Speaker 2: ever accept this. It's too ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Well, they're faking jokes about it in the first one,
Speaker 4: what do you expect? Yellow spind.
Speaker 5: I like, I like that the thing has an eyebrow,
Speaker 5: Ridge in this.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, he's really really good.
Speaker 5: This is the This is the best version of the
Speaker 5: thing that's been ever, ever been put to film. But
Speaker 5: I like Michael Chickliss as an actor. I think what
Speaker 5: he was doing exactly what he was asked for. And
Speaker 5: that's not a bad thing for that. I mean, not
Speaker 5: a bad thing for him as an actor. But those movies,
Speaker 5: I mean, Father Milone, you already referenced it like he's
Speaker 5: just a sad sack of shit those whole movies. It's
Speaker 5: kind of one note. But Plus plays that note really
Speaker 5: well though, Like to his credit, I.
Speaker 2: Think the prosthetic work in that is is really really good,
Speaker 2: except they needed to have done something like Peter Jackson photographically,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, sizing him in some way
Speaker 2: to make it more like he he looks like he's
Speaker 2: he looks like a little he looks like a human
Speaker 2: being underneath all of that rock. This looks like a
Speaker 2: rock man.
Speaker 5: Right, And that's the Yeah, it's surprising how well the
Speaker 5: thing works because it's the one thing that I feel
Speaker 5: like they haven't been able to get right in any
Speaker 5: of these movies.
Speaker 2: Ninety four version. I do want to give the ninety
Speaker 2: four version it to do because Steve Johnson suit in
Speaker 2: that for they had a million dollar budget in that movie,
Speaker 2: which means he maybe got fifty sixty thousand dollars and
Speaker 2: he made that one suit. It's fucking incredible. If he
Speaker 2: had been given a couple of million dollars, we would
Speaker 2: have had a practical suit in ninety four that would
Speaker 2: talk and fucking move and fucking clobber and time all day.
Speaker 5: Hey man, those turtle suits in the nineties are a
Speaker 5: good example that you could have done it if you
Speaker 5: actually had the wherewithal to do it. I mean, those
Speaker 5: turtle suits I think are still in my mind like
Speaker 5: the best animatronics ever made because those they carry those
Speaker 5: movies say, which will about those movies, but those are
Speaker 5: four people in fucking full lass puppet suits like giving
Speaker 5: it they're all and yeah, I think that is the
Speaker 5: bummer is The thing about that original Korman movie is
Speaker 5: just it's a big what if. I mean, look, the
Speaker 5: Captain America from the nineties similarly.
Speaker 2: Like Captain America, come on over here.
Speaker 5: Came out and it's bad. Fantastic four movie at least
Speaker 5: would have had some charm. And that's the thing, Like
Speaker 5: I the thing that the Fan four Stick movie didn't
Speaker 5: have that those first two had, where they were at
Speaker 5: least like mildly charming. Chris Evans is kind of charming,
Speaker 5: Michael Chick is kind of charming. Like they're all kind
Speaker 5: of charming like that Fan Forour Stick just was like,
Speaker 5: let's be serious and they take all the fun and
Speaker 5: the charm out of it. We've kind of talked about
Speaker 5: him a little bit, but I think it's speaking of charm.
Speaker 5: I think for me, like Pedro Pascal, this is I'm
Speaker 5: good now, Like I don't need you to be in
Speaker 5: everything anymore.
Speaker 2: And this is like the thing where I'm like you,
Speaker 2: like I really liked him, honestly, I know.
Speaker 5: I like that's the thing, Like he's really good and
Speaker 5: this is I'm saying, like peak Pedro Pascal. But dude,
Speaker 5: like I don't what else can you be in at
Speaker 5: this point because you've now been like in everything in
Speaker 5: a degree that like no one else can even replicate.
Speaker 5: Like he's he's like a singular Star Wars character for them, too,
Speaker 5: more important than fucking Luke and Han Solo Mandalorian is.
Speaker 5: Some people's like the Star Wars they only care about
Speaker 5: which it's that's fucking Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 2: He's been around for quite a while now, and I've
Speaker 2: seen him in tons and tons of things, but I've
Speaker 2: only recently warmed Pedro Pascal. So this is the perfect
Speaker 2: movie for me to finally embrace him because I loved
Speaker 2: his Read Richards. We got the actual perfect Read Richards
Speaker 2: in that Doctor Strange. In the multiverse of madness. No
Speaker 2: one could portray the smug, fucking assholary that is Read
Speaker 2: Richards like John Krasinskily.
Speaker 5: Thank god, thank god. I do not like John Krasinsky
Speaker 5: at all. He's such a smug guy, right like, he
Speaker 5: plays it so well.
Speaker 2: I despise him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was so glad that they kept the stretching
Speaker 4: to a minimum and that they didn't do just stretch
Speaker 4: for stretch sake, like those weird things like I like
Speaker 4: when he used his arm to go up on the blackboard.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, okay, that works, and I.
Speaker 2: Like that the blackboard was also it looked mid century
Speaker 2: modern that it came up in peaks, but it also
Speaker 2: made sense because he could stretch up that far exactly.
Speaker 4: But then in the big action scene at the end
Speaker 4: when he's going around and he's stretching all over the
Speaker 4: place like that looks all right, but it's keep that
Speaker 4: shit to a minimum. We don't really need to see
Speaker 4: it because it goes no matter what, no matter how
Speaker 4: they do it, it's always going to be uncanny because
Speaker 4: we just don't move that way, so it's always going
Speaker 4: to be weird. So I think they do his best
Speaker 4: of a job as I can by keeping it to
Speaker 4: a small percentage of it. And I liked when Galaxis
Speaker 4: was stretching him out. Oh my god, I the pain
Speaker 4: on his face. I thought that was really great. I
Speaker 4: think the one missed moment for this is when Sue
Speaker 4: is laying on the street, possibly dead. She should have
Speaker 4: woken up and said, I really want to try some shwarma.
Speaker 4: I think that would have been a perfect way to
Speaker 4: end the film.
Speaker 5: All I could think was, man, read Richards is not
Speaker 5: putting his back into that CPR. He's doing what come on, man, dude,
Speaker 5: that's your wife brother. Oh yeah, but deusex Franklin Richard's
Speaker 5: Baby's baby.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's when that baby looks awful. A few
Speaker 6: times in there when the baby looks out. There's a
Speaker 6: few times well, especially like when he's trying to get
Speaker 6: to his mother.
Speaker 4: I'm just like, oh, cg. Baby, It's like, you're scaring Meg, but.
Speaker 2: Baby head, Hey, that baby has the power cosmic, all right,
Speaker 2: it does.
Speaker 5: It does have the power cosmic. It can bring people
Speaker 5: back to life. It can.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is in the in the comics,
Speaker 2: Schalliball one time appeared as a silver Surfer because Galactus,
Speaker 2: in the form of Franklin Richards.
Speaker 6: Made her Obama Michelle shall Obala Michell Obama.
Speaker 5: Good god, oh my god.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 5: That was the other thing that was nice because this
Speaker 5: movie is set in like retrofuturism. Like I I I
Speaker 5: went into this movie, is like I kind of forgot
Speaker 5: that there was a real world outside. And that is
Speaker 5: again I think Father Malone you would agree clearly having
Speaker 5: seen it twice now, like there's something to be said
Speaker 5: for that given that, like we literally two weekends ago
Speaker 5: talked about Superman not doing that Superman literally just being like,
Speaker 5: let's steer into this shit with the rage baiting troll
Speaker 5: of Lex Luthor. There's none of that here and again,
Speaker 5: and you we've already talked about it a little bit.
Speaker 5: In this universe, it is a much better world, clearly
Speaker 5: than our own. Can you imagine what twenty twenty five
Speaker 5: would look like if this was the universe that we
Speaker 5: lived in. Just again, the world coming together to turn
Speaker 5: all of our electricity off other than these one group
Speaker 5: of assholes in Latvaria, what would that look like?
Speaker 4: That's yeah, though, the whole thing of and they've even
Speaker 4: started Galactus cults. I was like, oh fuck that that strikes.
Speaker 5: Down the deaf cults. They're coming.
Speaker 4: Oh, boy o, boy o boy.
Speaker 2: I wept many times during this movie. I know I'm
Speaker 2: a sentimental old man and everything, but there were moments
Speaker 2: of actual, fucking, pure emotion. This movie features a birth
Speaker 2: in space. I've never seen that in a movie, and
Speaker 2: it is emotional and appropriate, and it comes in the
Speaker 2: middle like of an action sequence. I don't know, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: this movie.
Speaker 5: Made for Father alone.
Speaker 2: It really was. And here's the thing. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm not the biggest Fantastic Four fan, I can take
Speaker 2: or leave them. The fact that they were going to
Speaker 2: have Silver Surfer in this had my money, and the
Speaker 2: fact that we were getting screen accurate Galactus and everyone involved.
Speaker 2: Obviously I was going to go see this movie, but
Speaker 2: I had no expectations whatsoever. And it really won me over.
Speaker 2: It really reinvigorated my interest in the Marvel sort of universe.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to fucking finish this goddamn saga, the
Speaker 2: multiverse saga. We got three more, is it? Now? We've
Speaker 2: got Spider Man and the two Avengers movies and then
Speaker 2: we're done, and then we can fucking move on to
Speaker 2: our next frontier. And it can't come soon enough because
Speaker 2: if this is where we're going, I'm so excited.
Speaker 5: Does that mean that Marvel is now just gonna do
Speaker 5: this is its own thing, like that the Fantastic Four
Speaker 5: just gonna have two sequels and or as many as
Speaker 5: this time allows, and it'll just be in their universe.
Speaker 5: That's my hope.
Speaker 2: We could be so lucky.
Speaker 5: I mean again, like if you go to other multiversal
Speaker 5: things that have been done, one of them, speaking of DC,
Speaker 5: is Injustice the video game. In the video game, in
Speaker 5: the first one, it's like a multiversal crossover that causes
Speaker 5: the issues, but in the second game has nothing to
Speaker 5: do with that, and it's just taking place in that
Speaker 5: universe that was dealing with multiversal stuff in the first game,
Speaker 5: but now it's just dealing with things in that universe.
Speaker 5: They're different than the universe you're used to. But we
Speaker 5: don't go and have alternate universe Batman brought in. I mean,
Speaker 5: we don't have any of that. Again, It's just that's
Speaker 5: whatever is taking place in this universe is that is
Speaker 5: that version of the game. And that's what I would
Speaker 5: like to see with the MCU after this. If the
Speaker 5: Fantastic Four do exist beyond this, I hope it's just
Speaker 5: in their own universe doing their own fucking thing.
Speaker 2: The hell did you just say?
Speaker 5: It made sense to me? Anyways, I would like if
Speaker 5: these movies stay in their own lane moving forward and
Speaker 5: don't get bogged down in the MCU of it all,
Speaker 5: because I think the MCU could do like the DCU
Speaker 5: is going to do and allow things to just be
Speaker 5: their own things. And there's nothing wrong with that, because
Speaker 5: I don't think Father Malone, your favorite Superheroes, Captain America,
Speaker 5: Captain America, Sam Wilson would not work on Earth eight
Speaker 5: to eight the end, right, It wouldn't work, and I
Speaker 5: don't want to see it, and I would prefer to
Speaker 5: just have this be its own thing moving forward. After
Speaker 5: whatever they decide to do with Doomsday and everything else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with you. If they go back to
Speaker 4: Earth A two eight and they just chill because they are,
Speaker 4: as far as I can see, the Earth's only real protectors.
Speaker 4: Keep keep them with that Earth, Let them stay there,
Speaker 4: let them have their thing, Let them move against other
Speaker 4: villains if they need to. I am curious. I'm excited
Speaker 4: to see the deleted scenes with John Malcove, which I
Speaker 4: think that would be pretty cool seeing him, and from
Speaker 4: the just the tiniest images that I've seen, I don't
Speaker 4: know if he's in jail during it or what's going on.
Speaker 4: But we get the red apes. I'm not familiar with
Speaker 4: that character, so it seems so cheesy to have these
Speaker 4: red apes going around. But I'm like, yeah, that's the
Speaker 4: Fantastic four.
Speaker 2: I love it. Oh yeah, man, fantastic He's got his
Speaker 2: army of apes. Yes, really fun and the fact that
Speaker 2: it was going to be Malkovich. But I feel like
Speaker 2: we kind of got robbed of a few movies of
Speaker 2: just the sort of wacky adventures that's fantastic for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was on the poster, not his face, but
Speaker 4: his name, so I was just like, oh, well, I
Speaker 4: wouldn't for a while because I try to stay away
Speaker 4: from this stuff as much as possible. I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I wonder if he's voicing Galactis, that would be interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is this big cloud with John Malkovich's voice coming
Speaker 4: out of it.
Speaker 5: You Pig Fox Philip Seymour Hoffman, who's essentially just also
Speaker 5: just kind of doing John malcovitch'svoice of.
Speaker 4: He's got the same accent he had from what was
Speaker 4: that The Rounders, right, And there's a little bit of
Speaker 4: moment of comedy in here right at the end to
Speaker 4: lighten it up with them trying to put the baby
Speaker 4: seat in, And I was like, that actually works for me.
Speaker 4: Had that been at the beginning of the movie, I
Speaker 4: don't know if I would have taken it. But by
Speaker 4: the end, I have such good will for these characters
Speaker 4: that I just like, yeah, this is it and that
Speaker 4: they need to use fucking teamwork to make it work.
Speaker 5: This movie makes the unthinkable real and it gives Ben
Speaker 5: Grimm facial hair that doesn't look ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was awesome.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 5: I was like, man, that's so cool.
Speaker 4: He walks into that temple with the hat and everything.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, man, he looks like a Rabbi, He's.
Speaker 5: Like, he looks great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I will say I wish that they had given the
Speaker 5: it's clobbering time moment a little bit more of like
Speaker 5: a pause, or maybe my movie theater just wasn't loud enough,
Speaker 5: like the mixing wasn't loud enough, but it kind of
Speaker 5: got lost in the explosion punching Galactus in the sight
Speaker 5: of the face of it all, and it's also.
Speaker 2: In the moment where Galactus is stretching Reid Richards, which
Speaker 2: is very harrowing, and then they cut away to this
Speaker 2: sort of raw, raw moment and it's it is, Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's jarring because, like I did see in one of
Speaker 5: the final trailers for the movie, they showed the lead
Speaker 5: up to that scene in that, but they don't show
Speaker 5: that It's clobbering time payoff. And I was like, man,
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see what it's like in the movie.
Speaker 5: And then when I saw the movie, was like, man,
Speaker 5: I almost wish they had just done that fucking Captain
Speaker 5: America thing where it's like Avengers dot dot dot. I
Speaker 5: wish they had just done that, given it for a
Speaker 5: moment and maybe Avengers Doomsday or something where we actually
Speaker 5: have him say it, because if this was going to
Speaker 5: be it, I don't know. You didn't give the moment
Speaker 5: enough time to breathe, which is a weird thing to
Speaker 5: say for a rockman screaming at a giant space god.
Speaker 2: And the next time and the next time he says it,
Speaker 2: I want him to say it very quietly and mean right.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Clovering.
Speaker 5: Time just whacked the shit out of Doctor Doom like
Speaker 5: upper cut him. Yeah. Yeah, man, The Thing is a
Speaker 5: character that I don't know, like you could give him
Speaker 5: his own You could give him his own thing, like
Speaker 5: you can give any of these characters their own thing.
Speaker 5: That's maybe another direction to go to split them off
Speaker 5: and do their own thing as well.
Speaker 4: I used to read that The Thing had at least
Speaker 4: one spinoff series that I read all of that, and
Speaker 4: it was almost a little not quite Planet Hulk esque,
Speaker 4: but it was him on another planet kind of doing
Speaker 4: his own thing. Because it just felt like such an
Speaker 4: outsider and I was like, Okay, yeah, this works. I
Speaker 4: love that series.
Speaker 2: Yeah man, and please, I know we're getting anurin Rad
Speaker 2: Silver Surfer. From what I hear, they're doing it as
Speaker 2: like they did the Werewolf by Night. They're going to
Speaker 2: do it as a like a special and please, for
Speaker 2: the love of God, because we can do any kind
Speaker 2: of story we want. Give us existential nurin Rad, give please,
Speaker 2: just half an hour of him just surfing the fucking
Speaker 2: universe is fine.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the other question, right, Like is this the
Speaker 5: Galactus from this movie? Is that the only Galactus?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: Right, but again, like they say that Galactus is a
Speaker 5: multiversal thing.
Speaker 2: In this well then he very well may be. But fact,
Speaker 2: I don't know how they'll resolve that with Nora and Rad.
Speaker 5: That's my point, Like, I'd be very curious if they
Speaker 5: how they resolved that, because if this is Earth eight
Speaker 5: to eight silver Surfer, that's one thing. But if this
Speaker 5: is all of this universe of anything's Galactus, then there
Speaker 5: could only ever be the Silver.
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm thinking, like whatever plan they had
Speaker 2: to knock Galactus to the other side of their universe,
Speaker 2: they opened a black hole, they'd have no fucking idea
Speaker 2: where he went right, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean again, like that to your point, like maybe they
Speaker 5: did just send him to Earth sixty six.
Speaker 2: I guess, because look, all the action takes place on
Speaker 2: our Earth in the Marvel universe, so they can have
Speaker 2: their fun over there, but all the shit's gonna end
Speaker 2: up here eventually, right right, Well, yeah.
Speaker 5: That any of the serious stuff anything with this where
Speaker 5: the stakes need to be resolved, like are going to
Speaker 5: have to take place on Earth six to six.
Speaker 4: So, as far as I can tell, the next Marvel
Speaker 4: movie that TV show, but the next More movie is
Speaker 4: that Spider Man movie, which is set to come out
Speaker 4: July thirty first, twenty twenty six, just fucking wild. And
Speaker 4: then it's six months later Avengers Doomsday, and then a
Speaker 4: year later Secret Wars.
Speaker 5: We've gone into the scarce, the feast and famine times.
Speaker 5: We're in the famine times with Marvel again.
Speaker 2: This is hey, man, if we got to wait and
Speaker 2: we get movies like this, fucking take a year, take
Speaker 2: two years, do you I know?
Speaker 5: I'm I was gonna say as a video gamer, this
Speaker 5: is a thing that we deal with like a lot
Speaker 5: of like oversaturation of things like and Marvel. I think
Speaker 5: Marvel and Disney and Star Wars reached an oversaturation point
Speaker 5: during probably the would we all say, what early pandemic
Speaker 5: years twenty one twenty two. I think everybody was getting
Speaker 5: burned out in that kind of maybe once that.
Speaker 2: Fucking Boba Fet thing was up, the talents from Boba
Speaker 2: Fet by then, I think it was like that was
Speaker 2: all over that, all of the fucking sequels.
Speaker 5: And for me with Marvel, it was like stuff like
Speaker 5: Moon Night, like I do too, but it doesn't have
Speaker 5: any stakes with anything. It doesn't seem like it's ever
Speaker 5: gonna mask.
Speaker 2: Those were all over long. They all should have been
Speaker 2: two hour movies. Well, those series were nothing but diluting
Speaker 2: everything that was going on with Marvel.
Speaker 5: Well that's the thing, like you just said with the
Speaker 5: Werewolf by Night thing, like I didn't need a full
Speaker 5: fucking series of that. That was exactly enough. Yeah, man,
Speaker 5: perfect enough.
Speaker 2: And I, by the way, recommend they have that in color.
Speaker 2: If you can watch that in color, watch it in color.
Speaker 2: It's a thousand times better.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say. Speaking of Michael Giacchino, Wow, talking
Speaker 5: about doing some heavy lifting in this movie and the
Speaker 5: Fantastic Four theme, like the motif is great. I don't know,
Speaker 5: like they He's a great He obviously did great with
Speaker 5: Werewolf by Night. But I mean Michael Giaccino just talk
Speaker 5: about I wouldn't say modern day John Williams, but definitely
Speaker 5: someone who's has that that level of I don't know,
Speaker 5: grandeur when it comes to working in the film landscape
Speaker 5: because it gives this movie like a sense of g
Speaker 5: o vent it needed. And again, like we've already mentioned
Speaker 5: the Fantastic Four, is this only Earth's Defender? Like that,
Speaker 5: there needs to be some real weight given to these
Speaker 5: characters and what they're dealing with because it's there, the
Speaker 5: four of them in between destruction.
Speaker 2: Plus it's got a lot of frolicsome early sixties kind
Speaker 2: of lounge music kind of themes going on.
Speaker 4: Well, it was nice too that as far as I
Speaker 4: could tell, the songs weren't Earth songs, that they were
Speaker 4: like Earth songs but a little bit different because it's
Speaker 4: a whole different Earth. And I was like, okay, well
Speaker 4: that's nice. It's kind of that like Fringe when they
Speaker 4: would go to the alternate universe and they would see
Speaker 4: like different cars, like different It was the Eric Stoltz
Speaker 4: version of Back to the Future. Like those differences were there,
Speaker 4: which I liked. And it wasn't like punching you in
Speaker 4: the face with things, So it wasn't like we had
Speaker 4: to have a music video where it was kind of
Speaker 4: like the Beatles but not quite them. It's okay, please. Like,
Speaker 4: even though this universe, this world, this eight two eight
Speaker 4: could have led itself to really gimmicky, garbage type stuff,
Speaker 4: they stayed away from it. They didn't even focus on
Speaker 4: the cartoon that much, just a couple of moments during
Speaker 4: the movie, and then having the cartoon intro at the
Speaker 4: end I thought was really a smart thing and also
Speaker 4: harkened back to the end of the One Spider Man
Speaker 4: movie where they were no way helme I think, where
Speaker 4: they're all pointing at each other and I think one
Speaker 4: of the one of the Sony animation ones where.
Speaker 5: The animated one does yeah, twenty.
Speaker 4: Ninety nine version of Spider Man coming in. Yeah, that
Speaker 4: was nice, and I thought that was a very nice
Speaker 4: way to end it.
Speaker 5: I'm glad that this movie didn't dip, like it's toe
Speaker 5: too much into comedy. I mean, it's I would say
Speaker 5: it's about as comedic as any Marvel film is, but
Speaker 5: I would say it's less so in my like mind,
Speaker 5: like there are moments of comedy, but there aren't those
Speaker 5: like it's seeming like we're thankfully getting away from those
Speaker 5: Josh Weedon moments that this like MCU was plagued by
Speaker 5: for what a decade after event like it was Cracker,
Speaker 5: but it was also but it was also like serious beat,
Speaker 5: serious beat joke to undercut the two serious beats because
Speaker 5: we could never be serious and this movie doesn't do that.
Speaker 5: Thunderbolts doesn't really do that either. I went and rewatched
Speaker 5: Thunderbolts as well, like I did too.
Speaker 2: By the way, my estimation has grown, my criticisms remain.
Speaker 2: I think it's clunky and really poorly paced. But oh
Speaker 2: but yeah, the ending is fucking riotously good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it is way I like to your point, Like,
Speaker 5: I think it's way better than it had any right
Speaker 5: to be. And I have really re enjoyed, like I've
Speaker 5: enjoyed rewatching it like two or three times.
Speaker 2: Even that's a good team. I really enjoy them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and same here. Like as much as maybe Pedro
Speaker 5: Prescal for me, doesn't do all the heavy lifting, he's
Speaker 5: almost the Leonardo of the group. There always has to
Speaker 5: be one character that can stand to be underwritten a
Speaker 5: little bit, but doesn't always have to be. But Pedro
Speaker 5: Pscal is great. But for me, I think all of
Speaker 5: this movie really does benefit from the four leads just
Speaker 5: being so great together in a way that the Thunderbolts were,
Speaker 5: and I'm hopeful that with more team based.
Speaker 2: Let's do that. Yeah, keep keep giving us teams, for
Speaker 2: christ ake, give us the fucking Midnight Suns. They're sitting
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 5: I know. And I'm hopeful for the x Men, like
Speaker 5: I'm hopeful for whatever we get of the X Men.
Speaker 5: This makes me so unbelievably hopeful for whatever we get
Speaker 5: as their version of the X Men, because it'll probably
Speaker 5: be a mix of whatever they're doing with Doomsday and
Speaker 5: whatever they're doing beyond that. But I'm hopeful that it's
Speaker 5: great because they've been kind of nailing it with these
Speaker 5: big hero teams recently, and the chemistry is really where
Speaker 5: this kind of comes down to. And the actors right now,
Speaker 5: they must just be champion at the bit to work
Speaker 5: with Marvel. If you're in a team setting, because you
Speaker 5: get to work with these great actors and feed off
Speaker 5: of one another, it must be great.
Speaker 4: So you're saying that Pedro Pascal is good, but he
Speaker 4: can be better. That was a wonder Woman nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 5: Oh God, Jesus, Mike, why the movie that made Pedro
Speaker 5: Prescal Never want to shave his face again, apparently, is
Speaker 5: what he has said. I hated the way I looked
Speaker 5: about facial hair. If your hair looked like that, I
Speaker 5: believe it.
Speaker 4: Anything else we want to say, fellas, go.
Speaker 2: See this movie. I love Superman, but this is better
Speaker 2: than Superman. See both of these like this. You just
Speaker 2: said it, Chris hopeful for the future of superhero movies.
Speaker 2: I thought it was all over, and finally it seems
Speaker 2: people are figuring out that you got to give us
Speaker 2: a good story and take your time and make the
Speaker 2: characters enjoyable and make everything pay off and maybe in
Speaker 2: still a sense of awe and wonder that we all
Speaker 2: go to the fucking movies for in the first place.
Speaker 5: As much as Deadpool Wolverine last year didn't nail it,
Speaker 5: the thing that movie nailed was that fucking team up
Speaker 5: at the end. That was the best part of that
Speaker 5: whole movie. That's that's the best team up I think
Speaker 5: in any of those Deadpool movies, because you're like, Okay,
Speaker 5: there's a sense of those characters, there's a sense of
Speaker 5: how Deadpool interacts with them. There's a sense of how
Speaker 5: they interact with Deadpool. They're all kind of different, but
Speaker 5: they are all on a similar wavelength, and that works
Speaker 5: really well. And I can't help but wonder how much
Speaker 5: of that positive energy and chemistry of those teams work
Speaker 5: their ways into the other scripts and the things that
Speaker 5: were being worked on around the same time being filmed
Speaker 5: and going into production, like this movie was, and Thunderbolts
Speaker 5: really and just that Deadpool Wolverine movie, just everything. But
Speaker 5: the team up at the end is kind of eh.
Speaker 5: But you know what if that sets the tone for
Speaker 5: some of these things moving forward. Great, because there's about
Speaker 5: to be a really big team up thing, and I
Speaker 5: hope it's half as good as that original Avengers big
Speaker 5: ass team up was with Endgame, because our Infinity War,
Speaker 5: because that's a pretty high barred across at this point.
Speaker 5: So but these are some good team up, teamed team films,
Speaker 5: So I can only hope that beyond this, It'll bet.
Speaker 2: There's nothing but potential. From everything that's come up until now,
Speaker 2: all of the films have been long, they've been all
Speaker 2: disappointing in one way or another. But now we know
Speaker 2: who those characters are, we're established with them. If we
Speaker 2: can get them into a situation that is half as
Speaker 2: good as Infinity War, where I think we're golden.
Speaker 5: For the first time in a long time. There's a
Speaker 5: good Marvel and a good DC movie in the movie
Speaker 5: theaters that you could go watch on a Saturday back
Speaker 5: to back and not have a bad time with either.
Speaker 2: And by the way, it was never one versus the other.
Speaker 2: As comic book fans, we love both of them like
Speaker 2: we want them both to succeed.
Speaker 5: Right, And if you don't feel that way, then get
Speaker 5: the fuck out of here, because that's only good for
Speaker 5: us that they're both successful. Not I mean it's good
Speaker 5: for them too, obviously financially, but as consumers them being
Speaker 5: good at the same time actually makes both of them
Speaker 5: better in the long run, because if you're just resting
Speaker 5: on your laurels, one of the other ones can be complacent.
Speaker 5: Cough cough, Marvel. It's not like Marvel saw DC and
Speaker 5: when we're just gonna elevate ourselves further than them, they
Speaker 5: looked at him and went, these guys just keep shooting
Speaker 5: themselves in the foot over and over again. It's making it.
Speaker 5: It's like racing a one legged.
Speaker 3: Man like you.
Speaker 5: You're ahead all the whole time, and Marvel got so
Speaker 5: complacent that they're having to redo everything but I'm so
Speaker 5: excited to see what that is at this point because
Speaker 5: the way they treat the audiences is so markedly different
Speaker 5: from ten years ago, let alone two thousand and eight.
Speaker 5: So yeah, hopeful is hopeful for the first time with
Speaker 5: Marvel is wild? Marvel is one thing, but DC is
Speaker 5: a no. Collectively is this is a first I think
Speaker 5: in our lifetimes with these kinds of things.
Speaker 4: Really, it was very strange when I went to the theater.
Speaker 4: I pulled right into a very convenient spot. There were
Speaker 4: very few people on the lobby. There are very few
Speaker 4: people in my theater. I know it did very well
Speaker 4: this weekend, but it was pretty empty when I was
Speaker 4: sitting there, which was a big surprise for me because
Speaker 4: I was expecting packed packed everything. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: this is the fantastic for the this is going to
Speaker 4: be huge. I mean the theater was overflowing for endgame,
Speaker 4: of course, but not here. Not here, UNFORTUNATELYNGS. So I
Speaker 4: don't think they've got legs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they've built up the fucking the
Speaker 2: goodwill yet, you know, like Thunderbolts was a good first step, honestly,
Speaker 2: that before first steps.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm this has taken a lot of momentum to
Speaker 5: get to this point, and they need to keep this
Speaker 5: is a good thing, that this will keep it building
Speaker 5: and not stifle it. But to your point, Mike, like
Speaker 5: I went and saw it in my theater was almost full,
Speaker 5: and I saw it today at one in the afternoon
Speaker 5: on a Sunday. So the post church crowd in the
Speaker 5: Midwest showed up for this movie. So I'm thankful for that.
Speaker 5: They're the kind of the hardest ones to get through
Speaker 5: the door sometimes, especially on the weekends, because there's so
Speaker 5: much other stuff to do. There were plenty of people there,
Speaker 5: and it was a pretty mixed crowd too, a lot
Speaker 5: of adults, but there were also some families with kids.
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, there was one couple in the theater
Speaker 4: with a baby, and so whenever Franklin would get upset,
Speaker 4: the baby would get upset. So it was almost like stair.
Speaker 5: Was dobe at most. Feel everything.
Speaker 4: Well, Chris, when you're not talking about the Fantastic fourward,
Speaker 4: are you up to these days?
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