WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.440 --> 00:00:03.240 All right, let's get a drive time Monday afternoon, twelve 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:06.200 minutes past the hour of two o'clock. It is a 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:10.439 very aggressively April day outside. It's about fifty eight sixty degrees. 4 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:13.439 We had a little rain this morning, cloudy with a 5 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.120 little bit of sunshine this afternoon here in downtown Salt 6 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.079 Lake City, Utah. And as it is every single day, 7 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:20.359 it's going to have you along for the ride. 8 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:21.879 Spence Check. It's back behind the mic. 9 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:24.359 After a little Friday off, a little John to San 10 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:27.679 Diego with our little local soccer club over the weekend, 11 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:30.519 RSL get to win. We'll get into a little soccer 12 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.039 on the show today. But there's a lot to do 13 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:35.320 the Monday after the NFL Draft. We kind of lean 14 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:38.640 heavy into that, so we'll talk NFL Draft from a 15 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:41.079 local standpoint. Kind of a quiet year. We've talked about 16 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:44.640 it for a few months now. Was not expecting Jalen 17 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:46.920 Royals and Caleb Loner to be the only two names 18 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.679 that we heard called throughout the course of the NFL Draft, 19 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:50.600 but that's where we're at. 20 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:51.679 We'll update you on. 21 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:55.560 The local college football players that we're able to sign, 22 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:59.240 some unrestricted free agent or I should say undrafted free 23 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.799 agent deals some mini camp invites too. Of course, the 24 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:05.040 big story today is shoud Or Sanders sliding all the 25 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.439 way to the fifth round of the draft after a 26 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.719 lot of mid season college football projections had him both 27 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:14.000 as a finalist for the Heisman Trophy and the favorite 28 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:15.599 in Vegas at one point to be the number one 29 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:17.920 overall pick that of course ended up being cam Ward. 30 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:20.560 So we'll do some NFL today, We'll do some NFL 31 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:21.079 draft today. 32 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:24.519 We'll do some college football today on the program as well. 33 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:27.599 The latest with the NCAA transfer portals, Zach Williams is 34 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:30.840 on his way to USC. What will the University of 35 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:35.400 Utah do at that wide receiver position? As the transfer 36 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:37.239 portal has come and gone now there will be more 37 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:39.239 opportunities to have talent prior to the start of the 38 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:42.640 season at fall, so we will get to that. NBA 39 00:01:42.760 --> 00:01:46.439 playoffs have been awesome. They have just been so much fun, 40 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:50.959 and they continue tonight with well, one good game tonight. 41 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.040 I don't think Miami has a pulse. I think they 42 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:55.719 are cooked. Of course, down three to zero, you know 43 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.680 the math on that's never happened in pro basketball before. 44 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:00.439 Donovan's been really. 45 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:03.120 Good Man, Donvin Mitchell and the Cleveland Cavaliers will march on, 46 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:05.439 I think tonight to the second round. We'll see if 47 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.960 Miami can get one in their arena and then series 48 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:10.520 that a lot of people are tuned into with the 49 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:14.039 Houston Rockets and the Golden State Warriors. Reports are that 50 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.319 Jimmy Butler went through shoot around this morning and may 51 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.639 give it a go tonight after he sat. In Game three, 52 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:23.639 we had a vintage Stephan Curry performance. One of my 53 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.280 favorite things about this NBA Playoffs is a lot of 54 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:28.560 the old guard has shown that they're still doing their thing, 55 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:32.879 even at advanced stages like Steph. 56 00:02:31.479 --> 00:02:33.400 But an old guard that might be done. 57 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:36.479 It's not his fault. Lebron James and the LA Lakers 58 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:38.680 are in trouble. I don't know if JJ Reddick was 59 00:02:38.680 --> 00:02:41.759 trying to send a point to Rob Polinka and the 60 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:45.319 LA Laker front office staff by not sitting any of 61 00:02:45.360 --> 00:02:47.719 his starters in the second half. He played the same 62 00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:50.960 five man unit. Timberrel's are deep. You can't do that 63 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:54.560 against Minnesota. Lebron ran out of gas, Luca got tired. 64 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:56.800 Even Dorian Finney Smith had a wide open dunk and 65 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:57.599 he short armed it. 66 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:00.639 So the Lakers on the brink elimination. 67 00:03:01.520 --> 00:03:05.039 Boston Celtics no issues with the Orlando Magic some competitive games, 68 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:05.840 so that one's over. 69 00:03:06.800 --> 00:03:09.400 The Knicks have a three to one series lead against Detroit. 70 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:12.319 That's been kind of an unexpected fun testing back and forth. 71 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:15.639 After splitting at the Garden, New York goes to Detroit 72 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:18.719 and they get two. And the Indiana Pacers have been 73 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.520 a really good team since the All Star break, so 74 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:24.759 this series is not surprising me. But unfortunately, the storyline 75 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:28.319 coming out of Indianapolis against Milwaukee is that our local legend, 76 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:31.560 Damian Lillard might be done. I hate to say it, 77 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:36.240 but the news became official about two hours ago after 78 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.199 an MRI. It is official that Dame has torn his 79 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:43.840 left achilles tendon. Dame turns thirty five this offseason, and 80 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:45.800 even if you're twenty one twenty two, that is an 81 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:49.560 injury that's really difficult to come back from. He is 82 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:52.120 on the books for a cool, wait for it, sixty 83 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.759 million dollars next year. I don't know what Milwaukee does. 84 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:58.080 They're cooked a lot of conversation about maybe they. 85 00:03:58.000 --> 00:03:59.919 Look to move on from Giannis. 86 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:02.120 Let me just say this into this microphone the Utah 87 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:04.039 Jazz will not be making the deal for your honest 88 00:04:04.080 --> 00:04:07.240 because that's not realistic. So if we could stop sending 89 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.680 out silly tweets and such, that would be great. But 90 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.639 speaking to Utah Jazz, we are high speed ahead to 91 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:15.639 the next date of intrigu which is May the twelve, 92 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:18.680 when the Jazz will find out their lottery luck and 93 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:21.519 fingers crossed knocking on wood. Hopefully it's the number one pick. 94 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:25.560 And hopefully we have Cooper Flag playing basketball in our 95 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:27.600 city coming up next year. 96 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:29.439 Be awesome. So a lot to do. 97 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.439 Jam pack show, busy show, Happy Monday to you. Hope 98 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:34.439 you had a great, great weekend, full of a bunch 99 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:39.839 of NBA hoops, full of some RSL soccer, some NFL drafts, 100 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:42.560 maybe a little golf, maybe got outside a little bit too. 101 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:44.639 The weather is very spring like. We've not had a 102 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.040 very sunny, warm spring. 103 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.720 Hopefully the consistent sunshine is on its way all right. 104 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.040 Our first guest today, excited for this Matt Brown, who 105 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:54.279 writes the newsletter Extra Points. It's kind of a north 106 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.240 star for me. Utilize it to prep for the show. 107 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.800 With the business of college football, we'll talk to Matt 108 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:03.519 about house first NCAA settlement kind of where we're at 109 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.399 with that structure and when we can see something final 110 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:08.519 and what it means for the world of collegiate athletics, 111 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:10.199 namely college football. 112 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:11.399 Richard Smith will do. 113 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.000 A little jazz basketball, little offseasonal NBA draft, little playoff 114 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.240 basketball with Smitty today live in the studio. Thorn Nystrom 115 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.519 stops by. Decided to catch up with Thor. His name 116 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.519 is Thor, so you can guess that he's a football guy. 117 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:25.759 We'll do some NFL draft with Thor on the program today, 118 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.199 and then we'll welcome in a special guest. I've never 119 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:32.439 had an opportunity to interview Sam Junkqua before. Sam scored 120 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:36.439 a great goal for RSL over the weekend. Diego had 121 00:05:36.439 --> 00:05:40.120 embrace Diego continues to see that star of his shine 122 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.199 and rise, but Sam had the goal to kind of 123 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.639 put the cap on his RSL got a three to 124 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:49.040 one win against San Diego over the weekend. So Matt Brown, 125 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:53.680 Richard Smith, thorn Eystrom, Sam Junqua, me Spence check its Hello. 126 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:54.480 How are you happy Monday? 127 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:56.120 All of you the great listeners, and that guy Porter 128 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.600 Larson who held the fort down on Friday with Andy 129 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:01.759 Larson had the Friday show. 130 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:03.439 I thought it went pretty good. 131 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:04.199 It's not what I heard. 132 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:05.519 It went fun, went well. 133 00:06:05.720 --> 00:06:06.240 Not what I heard. 134 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:12.040 It was Andy and I notable fun fun. Uh, guys 135 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:16.199 who love fun things right and optimistic the ultimate tie. 136 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.240 The opposites that you are curmudgeons. 137 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:20.279 That's kind of what I was saying. 138 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:22.040 But but it went okay, you guys had a good time. 139 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:23.759 It did go It did go well, I thought, so. 140 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.720 I even got Andy to talk some NFL Draft. Obviously 141 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:31.639 the bulk of the show was NFL Draft NBA playoffs, 142 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:34.920 but we had plenty to talk about on a on 143 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:39.160 a Friday that that had live action. We talked about 144 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:43.279 the the coverage of the NFL Draft and the live 145 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:45.720 stuff there and and had plenty of NBA playoffs to 146 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.680 talk about. So it was fun with Andy. Always good 147 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.040 to catch up with him, uh, talking rs L and 148 00:06:50.040 --> 00:06:50.519 and whatnot. 149 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.040 And we'll do the same today. 150 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:55.120 Before we get into it, you're a football guy big time. 151 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:56.720 What do you think happened for real? What do you 152 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:58.000 think happened with should or why do you think you 153 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:59.279 shoulid all the way to the fifth round? 154 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:05.920 First off? And not to like hot take, you know, 155 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:09.319 not a huge surprise. It was a slide. It was 156 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:11.319 a surprise to see him taking in the fifth round, 157 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:13.959 But the one hundred and forty fourth pick in the 158 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:18.040 NFL Draft is kind of relative to being like a 159 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.959 top one hundred and fifty college football player. He was 160 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:25.519 thirteen and eleven at Colorado. Yes, he's really talented, but 161 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:29.279 when you're talking about the next level spence from the 162 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:32.639 NFL draft standpoint, you're talking about pocket presence, You're talking 163 00:07:32.680 --> 00:07:35.680 about your ability to talk through a playbook with guys 164 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:40.360 in an NFL room, You're talking about a whole different 165 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:44.639 class of things. And you know, we can talk about 166 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:49.160 the entitlement stuff, the stuff with Dion, but ultimately it 167 00:07:49.199 --> 00:07:52.279 doesn't sound like they really handled the process that well. 168 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:56.959 They actually told almost half the teams in the league 169 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.439 to not draft the shador Deon and shadoor or told 170 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:04.120 them not to draft him. That is a specific request 171 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:08.279 that has been kind of confirmed through multiple sources. And 172 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.839 then they they publicly put out like which teams they 173 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:14.040 were okay with. So number one, you're you're doing it 174 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:18.399 a service there, and then when you start to slide spends, 175 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:21.439 it's not just about the one the one guy. 176 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:22.879 Quinn Ewers. 177 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:25.920 A bunch of quarterbacks slid in this draft because it 178 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:31.360 was a heavy offensive line, defensive back, defensive back, defensive 179 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:33.919 tackle in the middle of the draft. But when when 180 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.639 no one else is picking quarterbacks, you don't make that pick. 181 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:42.240 So it wasn't as surprising as I think the the 182 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:47.200 firestorm led out to be, because that's how everything with Dion, 183 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:50.840 with the Sanders, with Shador is and that's fine, but 184 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:52.519 that's just kind of the reality of it. 185 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.159 And yeah, one hundred and forty fourth pick. 186 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.399 Hell, that's some guy's dream, that's most people's dream, and 187 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.919 I think it's it's it's okay to say that out loud. 188 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.879 Awesome human feet and achievement one hundred and forty four. 189 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:07.840 Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. So we'll get into it. 190 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:09.840 Of course, the hot takes have been flying all day. 191 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.720 Some of the same media members that were very confident 192 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:16.840 in their intel on Wednesday of last week that Shador 193 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:18.759 would be a top ten pick or a first round 194 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:21.240 pick or now talking about how confident they are in 195 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:23.240 their intel about why they got it wrong. I always 196 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:27.440 find the kind of the autopsy that certain media members 197 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:29.559 do about the draft pretty funny. After the fact, but 198 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.480 our first guest today will be Matt Brown. 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I'm going more for Max 228 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.720 Struss two point five three point shots made. I'm going 229 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:54.720 up more for Jalen Green eighteen point five points. I'm 230 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:58.840 going less on Stephan Curry five point five assists, and 231 00:10:58.879 --> 00:11:02.759 I'm going more Dotovan Donovan Mitchell twenty five point five points. 232 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:04.799 So check it out. That's how I'm rolling tonight. You 233 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:08.120 guys can play long, all right. So, of course, the 234 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:10.960 big story over the weekend was shoud Or Sanders sliding 235 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:14.200 into the fifth round of the NFL Draft after a 236 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.919 lot of people believe that he could even maybe be 237 00:11:16.960 --> 00:11:18.879 a top three pick to the New York Giants. The 238 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:21.080 New York Giants, by the way, traded back into the 239 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:25.559 first round to take our local product, Jackson Dart, who 240 00:11:25.600 --> 00:11:28.279 will sit beyond Russell Wilson and maybe Jamis Winston for 241 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:31.000 a year or two. So very happy for Jackson Dart 242 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:33.879 his family. Of course local people. Some of the other 243 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:37.600 local high school kids were drafted, but as far as 244 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:39.759 the local college kid, and by high school kids, I 245 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.360 mean the Jeffrey Bossa kid from Oregon, Jackson Hawes, the 246 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:46.279 former Highland High Tide end. But on Wednesday of last week, 247 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:48.919 I did not anticipate sitting here on Monday of this 248 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:52.399 week to talk about Caleb Loner and Jalen Royals as 249 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:55.480 the only two local players having been drafted. Caleb's going 250 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:58.480 to go to Denver, as is Karente read. By the way, 251 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:02.519 Denver's kind of like the Utah NFL team out this 252 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.000 way Buffalo kind of the team out backy. 253 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:08.080 So happy for certainly Caleb Bloher. 254 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:11.639 We heard Sean Payton talk a lot about his athleticism 255 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:14.519 after the draft process. So some of the other players 256 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:16.919 that have found deals. Junior Tifuna will be a Texan 257 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.200 undrafted deal. I mentioned Karna Reid's going to Denver. Connor 258 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.639 O'Toole got himself almost three hundred grand as far as 259 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:26.159 the undrafted contract he signed with Seattle's am I A. 260 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.879 Vaughn will be in Minnesota and McKay Bernard I believe 261 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.960 will be with the Browns or the Bills. McKay got 262 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:38.159 a deal. Tyler Baddy's going to Minnesota. Kayler Btn will 263 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:40.279 be at Bengal and then Jacob Robinson will be a 264 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.399 forty nine or so no BYU players drafted and only 265 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.360 Caleb blon Aer drafted from the U. Jalen Royal is 266 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:48.679 the speedy wide receiver has himself a new home. 267 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.440 So mckay'son Tennessee. Thank you porter. 268 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.879 So Mkai got an undrafted deal Tennessee. So Jalen Royals 269 00:12:53.879 --> 00:12:55.879 will be catching passes from Patrick. 270 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:57.080 Mahomes and playing for Andy Reid. 271 00:12:57.480 --> 00:12:59.960 But real quick, I couldn't help but think about this, 272 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:04.039 says the Chador Sanders storyline played out, and yes, mel 273 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.840 kiper ESPN, they're going to force feed all of us 274 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.519 these stories that maybe isn't as interesting for some as 275 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:14.080 it is for others. But as he was sliding and 276 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:17.039 all of the videos were kind of surfacing online of 277 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:21.240 people with hot takes about him, sandbagging interviews and how 278 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:26.200 you Famously, his father, Dion Sanders, admitted throughout his career 279 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:28.399 that he sandbag interviews because he didn't want to go 280 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.000 certain places. The problem is, Chador is not you. Dion 281 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.639 Dion still to this day by many is considered the 282 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:38.039 greatest cornerback that ever played pro football and also an 283 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:42.159 incredibly electric punt and kick returner. Like, if you're that good, 284 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:44.519 you can sandbag and get away with it. But if 285 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.080 you're kind of borderline with trades that people debate about 286 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.919 whether or not you're actually a legitimate NFL prospect, you 287 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:52.279 better handle every intangible the. 288 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:53.600 Best possible way you can. 289 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:56.840 Like, if you're Lebron James, you can show up for 290 00:13:56.879 --> 00:13:58.759 a free agency meeting, you can down a bottle of 291 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.840 wine and pontificate on random, weird stuff, and it doesn't matter. 292 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:03.799 You're Lebron James, We're gonna sign you no matter what. 293 00:14:04.559 --> 00:14:06.919 But if you're a mid tier free agent and you 294 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:08.840 have to knock an interview out of the park in 295 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.960 order to get a deal better, you better act right, man. 296 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:13.200 And when it comes to. 297 00:14:13.200 --> 00:14:17.279 All of these interviews that apparently as Porter was outlining, Shador, 298 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:19.399 some of them he just refused to show up in person. 299 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:20.639 He would do it on zoom. 300 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.120 I guess there was a comment that he said, if 301 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:25.360 you don't want to change your culture, then don't get 302 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:28.679 me or whatever. And he's just not good enough to 303 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.159 not act right with the things that have to be 304 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:33.720 dialed in for a prospect that has a lot of 305 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:36.720 questions for a lot of people. But last year Big 306 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:41.320 twelve Media Day, we're in Vegas for our first foray 307 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:43.960 into Big twelve media experience because it's the first year 308 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:47.240 that Utah was in the conference. We're sitting there on 309 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:49.879 radio row and you know, we're doing our best to 310 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.679 get all these interviews with coaches and players, and you know, 311 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:55.360 in the background there's the dais and the podium where 312 00:14:55.440 --> 00:15:00.000 coaches would address the entire group, and suddenly, out of nowhere, 313 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.879 the double doors opened with the entrance, and you know, 314 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:05.679 the Big twelve did a really great job. They had 315 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.279 these vegas like show girls at the entrance. They had 316 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:12.159 these vegas like slot machine feel, and you didn't really 317 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:14.840 pay much attention to who was walking in and walking 318 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:19.120 out until the double doors open, and like six cameras 319 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:25.000 are following Deon Sanders, Shaudor Sanders, and Shiloh, Deon's other son, 320 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.240 and they make their way throughout the course of kind 321 00:15:28.279 --> 00:15:31.240 of the setup, and every school had like a helmet 322 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:34.120 set up on one of these kind of situations where 323 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:36.960 they were introducing everybody to each other. There was a 324 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:38.919 setup I think they were doing it with a video 325 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:41.840 game where they had all the uniforms on like dummies, 326 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:44.720 and so you could walk through that and Shaudor and 327 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:50.720 Shiloh every you know, three to five minutes or whatever, 328 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:52.519 they would stop, look at their cameras and they do 329 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.759 one of these dopey TikTok dances that all the kids 330 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:57.519 do to post and you know, get engagement and get videos. 331 00:15:57.519 --> 00:15:59.679 And I don't mean to sound like the old guy 332 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:02.399 that you yelling about what the young kids do with 333 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:06.200 this social media stuff where it's all about engagement instead 334 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:10.399 of anything entertaining or anything of truth or of substance. 335 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.480 It's all about eyeballs and it's all about entertainment or 336 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:14.799 excuse me, it's all about engagement. 337 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:15.759 That's all it's about. 338 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.519 That's why you see people like the Paul Brothers doing 339 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.480 ridiculously dumb things in order to get attention. And yes, 340 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:23.240 all these people are making a lot of money, and 341 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:24.720 good for you, go get your bag. I'm not a 342 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:28.679 hater that way, but it was a circus at Big 343 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.720 twelve Media Day, just to watch Dion and his two 344 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:35.960 kids walk into the facility, let alone what they're doing 345 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.240 throughout the course of the season or what they're doing. 346 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.720 Throughout the course of the draft process. 347 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:44.679 I mean, I can't speak for any NFL general manager 348 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:47.519 about how they feel about having to deal with a 349 00:16:47.559 --> 00:16:51.399 circus with a prospect that isn't considered to be a 350 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.600 home run. Like That's what I think a lot of 351 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:56.039 people are missing. Even a lot of the analysts that 352 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.279 thought Shador should be a first round pick or even 353 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:01.039 higher than that, maybe a top ten pick, all talked 354 00:17:01.080 --> 00:17:04.799 about maybe the lack of size, or he's only played 355 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:08.240 for his dad his entire career, or are there entitlement 356 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.119 attitude issues. This was not Peyton Manning come out of Tennessee. 357 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:14.960 This was not Andrew Luck coming out of Stanford. This 358 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.440 was not a can't miss prospect. Should or had a 359 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.400 lot of questions that a lot of very smart football 360 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:24.119 people brought up. And because of that, if you add 361 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:28.240 the circus to the questions, I'm not really surprised that 362 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.839 we saw him slide. I'm surprised that we saw him 363 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:33.240 slide to the fifth round. I think a lot of 364 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.599 people figured Cleveland with that first pick in the second 365 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:39.319 round was sitting pretty or Pittsburgh who badly needs quarterback 366 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:41.680 help throughout the course of their mid round picks. But 367 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.640 to slide all the way down to the fifth round 368 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:47.480 just has to indicate that it's not just the questions 369 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:49.799 about who he is as a player. You do not 370 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:53.160 want to back up quarterback who's also part of the circus. 371 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.559 I mean, as a Jets fan and Tim Tebow and 372 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:58.160 should are much different people and much different players. But 373 00:17:58.640 --> 00:18:00.480 as a Jets fan with Tebow was in New York, 374 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.359 it was wild because Tim Tebow had this thing where 375 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.960 he was the celebrity. He was the main act, even 376 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.920 though he was not a good NFL quarterback. But he 377 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.480 goes to Denver and actually they've got a nasty defense, 378 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:12.119 a good run game. 379 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:13.559 They were able to win some games to go to 380 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:14.039 the playoffs. 381 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:16.400 So all the Tebow supporters were like, se told you 382 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:20.119 Jesus lives and all the tee bou haters are like, okay, 383 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:22.039 just wait, it's not gonna work because he's not very 384 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:24.920 good at it. Like it didn't change anybody's mind about 385 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:28.640 who Tim Tebow was but from an organizational standpoint, that 386 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:31.519 has to bring a lot of headaches. Johnny Manzel after 387 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:34.160 he lost his starting job and became the celebrity backup, 388 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.759 only caused issues. So when you do the math here 389 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:39.359 a little bit, I don't think it's that much of 390 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:41.279 a surprise that he did slide. I think it is 391 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:42.759 a surprise that he's slid all the way to the 392 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.640 fifth round. And now we'll see if he uses this 393 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:47.880 as juice and motivation and fuel to prove a lot 394 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:50.920 of people wrong. But from a local standpoint, a quiet 395 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:55.559 NFL draft cycle, hopefully that is not anything that last consistently. 396 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:58.079 Ila got Smitty Live in. 397 00:18:58.119 --> 00:19:01.519 Studio, Richard Smith, who spent forty years with Utah Jazz. 398 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:05.240 We'll do some jazz basketball, some lottery, some playoffs. You're 399 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:07.759 gonna do some NFL draft later on, do some RSL 400 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:09.839 with Sam Junkwall, who scored a goal over the weekend. 401 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:11.720 But one of our favorite spats lead off on this 402 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:17.640 Monday afternoon, Matt Brown writes the college football, well college athletics, 403 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:20.359 but football heavy newsletter extra points that we use on 404 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:21.240 the show quite a bit. 405 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:22.640 Matt, Happy money man. 406 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:26.400 How you doing, Hey, I'm doing great. It's sunny, it's 407 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:30.359 eighty degrees here in Chicago. There's no way I could 408 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:32.400 possibly be upset, even if it means that I'm going 409 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:34.519 to be writing a lot this week about legal stuff. 410 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:36.119 I know you will, and we'll get into it. 411 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:38.319 I've got to give you my hot Chicago take, though 412 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:41.599 it's my favorite summer city in America, and then on 413 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:43.640 either side of summer, I'm like, I gotta get out, 414 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:44.680 i gotta do something else. 415 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:49.160 I mean, I've lived here for post for a decade now, 416 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:51.200 I don't think that's a hot take. Most people who 417 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:55.559 live here think the same thing. From May until September. 418 00:19:55.960 --> 00:19:58.200 I think it's the best place in the entire country, 419 00:19:58.279 --> 00:20:00.599 and it's good enough that I still want to live here. 420 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.400 But in January, and I've lived most of my life 421 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:05.720 in the Midwest, I still want to walk in front 422 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.960 of a truck by the inch. And it's not just 423 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.559 because it's like six degrees, because it's it's less of 424 00:20:11.599 --> 00:20:14.400 that now, just you don't see the sun right. Even 425 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:17.519 even every time I land in Utah step outside the plane, 426 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:19.240 it's like, oh yeah, it turns out my body does 427 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:21.480 need vitamin D to like not want to die. I 428 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:24.920 understand why people are happier here. That's that's part of it. 429 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:25.359 Now for sure. 430 00:20:25.400 --> 00:20:26.960 When the weather warms up, you're like, you know, I'm 431 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:29.480 not depressed. I'm just cold, so now bad? I feel 432 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:31.880 better now, I feel better now? All right, Matt, I'm 433 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:34.039 just stealed thirty thousand foot viewpoint here. 434 00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:35.559 Like, where are we at with House. 435 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:38.880 B NCAA, Like, what's the timeline and what's the latest? 436 00:20:38.880 --> 00:20:40.720 What should we know as of today, on this Monday, 437 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:42.359 Well as. 438 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:44.359 Of today, there's been a little bit of a wrinkle, 439 00:20:44.559 --> 00:20:50.000 right Like, over the last honestly six plus months, almost 440 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:53.880 everybody in at the highest levels of college athletics and 441 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:58.400 in the power conferences and conference offices have been operating 442 00:20:58.400 --> 00:20:59.640 on the assumption that. 443 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.000 This is going to get approved essentially as is in 444 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:06.079 early April, And all the revenue sharing and IL deals 445 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.359 that have gone out to athletes in the last recruiting class, 446 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.240 and a lot of like vendor hires, you know, have 447 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:14.319 been pretty explicit like this, all of this is contingent 448 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.559 upon the settlement being approved Evan. Last week, Judge Wilkins says, 449 00:21:17.720 --> 00:21:22.319 if you guys don't fix this roster limit issue that 450 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:24.960 I've pointed out now multiple times, I'm going to blow 451 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:29.119 up the settlement. So what we have now is that theifs, 452 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.000 the plaintiffs Council, and the NCUBA and the power conference 453 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:33.960 folks have to get together and have to make a decision. 454 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:36.920 Do we want to blow up this settlement and take 455 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.839 this thing to trial where if we lose, the liability 456 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:45.759 for the NC DOUBLEA and major conferences is twelve billion dollars, 457 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:48.960 which I believe would essentially liquidate the NC double A 458 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:51.079 if you want to roll the dice on court, or 459 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:55.519 do we want to grandfather in roster limits and figure 460 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:58.079 out some sort of way to make restitution to the 461 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:02.079 athletes that have been harmed by our refusal to grandfather 462 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:06.319 in roster limit clauses. And on the surface, you would think, well, 463 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:09.079 that's that's an easy decision. Of course, you should grandfather 464 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.480 in the roster limits. Why are we gonna let the 465 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.200 thirty first person on a track roster blow this whole 466 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.079 thing up? But as we wrote today, it actually gets 467 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.920 pretty messy because a lot of athletes got cut last year, 468 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:22.960 and you might have some people that are on other 469 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:25.880 schools now entirely or maybe out of the game, And 470 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:28.559 do you let them back in do you allow a 471 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:32.079 waiver to let some Olympic sport athletes potentially compete for 472 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:35.119 two schools in one calendar year? You might have to 473 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:37.599 if you're gonna want to comply with this ruling. We're 474 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:39.160 gonna find out in a little over a week what 475 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:40.319 they decide. 476 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:41.480 To do a little over a week. 477 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:43.839 So is that can we finally say we actually have 478 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:46.440 like a hard deadline, like a drop dead date? 479 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:47.519 Is that what we're expecting? 480 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:50.000 Now I'm gonna have to go double check on my 481 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:52.920 computer fit exact date. But when Wilkins letter last week 482 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.000 was you got fourteen days figure this out? Yeah, we 483 00:22:56.039 --> 00:22:58.000 can finally you know, crap or get off the pot. 484 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:01.799 I would, I would. I would still be pretty surprised 485 00:23:01.920 --> 00:23:05.519 if this settlement is not approved. But given the way 486 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:08.960 the NCAA and Power Conference attorneys have kind of acted 487 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:11.359 over the last couple of months, I can't say at 488 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:12.039 zero percent. 489 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:13.480 Yeah. 490 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:16.319 And that's why I followed up, because you know every day, 491 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:18.759 I mean, you're one of my first stops because we 492 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:21.039 utilized a lot of the stuff you ride for the show. 493 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.160 And then I try to see if Ross has anything 494 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:25.359 the usual suspects, and it seems like all you guys 495 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.720 that are plugged in are doing the best you can 496 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:30.640 to nail down a date, but it seems to be fluid. 497 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.000 Are you Is there any part of you that's surprised 498 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.880 that we are sitting here now looking May right in 499 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:37.480 the face in the next few days and we are 500 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:39.960 still dealing with all this ambiguity. 501 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:46.279 I'm a little surprised, and I probably shouldn't be. You know, 502 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:49.599 one thing that was just reiterated to me by so 503 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:53.759 many athletic directors oh for February and March, whether they 504 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:57.200 were at big schools or small schools, was we don't 505 00:23:57.200 --> 00:24:00.680 know what's going on right. We are intellect actually aware 506 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.920 of this settlement. Charlie Baker sent him out a couple 507 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:06.119 of messages, But honestly, we hear about it from you 508 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:09.680 or from Ross or from the Coleus often before we 509 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:12.480 do anybody in Indianapolis. And that's just because all of 510 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:14.759 this is being done by a handful of of attorneys, 511 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:18.240 some of who moved you are outside council, and I 512 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:20.200 think it was pretty clear that the folks that were 513 00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:24.440 doing the negotiating over the house settlement were not plugged 514 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:27.319 in and didn't really care all that much about softball 515 00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.440 players or soccer players or how any of this stuff 516 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:34.279 might affect Utah Valley University. And it turns out the 517 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:38.759 judge has held a little bit differently about that. So 518 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.960 if you were going to limit your decision making and 519 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:44.960 your inputs to this very small group of people and 520 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.359 this very small class of athletes, yeah, there are a 521 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.079 lot of problems here that I think could have been 522 00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:52.720 addressed a couple of months ago and are not. That's 523 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:54.480 sort of the story of the NCAA though. 524 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.079 For college football fans college but I mean fans of 525 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.880 collegian athletics, but mainly you knowllege football fans. Uh in 526 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:05.119 college basketball too, both of the revenue generators have been 527 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:08.640 adversely affected. What would you say as far as what's 528 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:11.960 realistic to hope and expect once this is across the line, 529 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.839 Like on the scale of there will still be a 530 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:16.480 ton of chaos on one end of the spectrum, and 531 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:19.240 this will finally bring guidelines and guardrails on the other 532 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.039 end of the spectrum that will clean this stuff up. 533 00:25:21.440 --> 00:25:24.319 What's realistic to expect pretty quickly after this is across 534 00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:24.920 the line? 535 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:28.240 I think I think if and when this is this 536 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:30.400 is settled. What I would tell for what I would 537 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:34.079 tell fans is now you can have some measure of 538 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:38.920 structure for the next academic year. And honestly, that's about 539 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:43.240 all I would say. The folks from at Indianapolis and 540 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:46.440 at the Power Conferences are really hoping that this settlement 541 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:49.720 would create something of a de facto CBA that would 542 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:52.319 provide cost certainty and structure over the next over the 543 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.920 next decade, and protection from additional litigation. At this point, 544 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:58.279 I think there's no chance of that happening. As soon 545 00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:00.400 as this is done and dusted, there there will be 546 00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:03.279 three other lawsuits ready to go to challenge this on 547 00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:06.519 titleline consideration to challenge this from the athletes that opted 548 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.759 out and still want another another crack at the antitrust tonata, 549 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:14.440 and the second that Deloitte or whoever ends up kind 550 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:18.640 of functioning as this intermediary clearing house tries to invalidate 551 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.359 a Bagman deal, They're going to be in federal court 552 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:25.960 two weeks later, so that going there's gonna be some stability, 553 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.480 just because you know, millions of dollars of contracts have 554 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.759 been sent out that are contingent upon this thing happening. 555 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:35.000 In July. But I can't tell you what's going to 556 00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.920 happen in twenty twenty seven. Your athletic director and your 557 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:40.440 football coach can't tell you. And I think anybody that 558 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.160 says they absolutely can is selling you something. 559 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:48.200 Okay, so let's move over here because I feel like, yeah, 560 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:49.839 I don't know, Matt, maybe you've been coming on the 561 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:52.960 show for four or five years. And after nil and 562 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.400 transferport will became a reality, and it was clear that 563 00:26:56.119 --> 00:27:00.920 administrators and leaders had failed everybody because they're there wasn't 564 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:04.440 anything that was prepared as far as okay, now, now 565 00:27:04.440 --> 00:27:06.640 we know that this is the reality, but here's how 566 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.039 it's going to work. Here are the mechanisms, okay, And 567 00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.000 none of that was in place, which has led to 568 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.559 a ton of chaos and sports that we all love. 569 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.200 And I've asked you at different stops whether or not 570 00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.480 we are at some point going to move into a 571 00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:25.400 reality of college athletics looking very much like professional athletics, 572 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:28.039 and the players will be able to unionize and they 573 00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:30.960 will be able to collectively bargain with whatever the governing 574 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:31.680 body looks like. 575 00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:33.359 And where will there be a commissioner? 576 00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:37.000 Will college football look like the NFL will college basketball 577 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.920 look like the NBA? And you know, a smart guy 578 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:41.960 like you has been able to help us understand based 579 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.720 off of you know, the Trump administration and changes they're 580 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:46.839 going to make. How you know things have changed in 581 00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:50.160 that direction. Where where are we at now as far 582 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:52.599 as your belief of what I know? You just said 583 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.519 you don't know what twenty twenty seven is going to 584 00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:57.599 look like. But my opinion, Matt, is the only thing 585 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.920 that will settle most of the the issues that are 586 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.839 causing the chaos is a pro model. I still believe 587 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:06.680 that to be true. Do you think at some point 588 00:28:06.759 --> 00:28:07.640 we are going to see that? 589 00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:08.079 Whenever? 590 00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:12.079 That is what my opinion on this I think is 591 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:16.279 pretty different from most of my national reporter colleagues, and 592 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:18.400 they may very well be right. Maybe this is me 593 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:20.720 being you know, too much of a chicken little or something, 594 00:28:20.759 --> 00:28:25.079 but I legitimately think there is a better than fifty 595 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:29.559 percent chance that this Congress passes some sort of college 596 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.880 sports bill. Now that bill may be something that every 597 00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.559 single economist and agent and lawyer on Twitter absolutely hates. 598 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:38.880 It might be a bill that I really don't like, 599 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.559 but I think I think there is more momentum and 600 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:45.160 a political coalition that's that's more equipped to make that 601 00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:47.960 happen than there has been over the past couple of years. 602 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.119 And my professional opinion, like the dry Little Secret, is 603 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:56.359 no matter whether you want a clusive bargaining agreement and 604 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.480 and and athletes as employees and a union and that 605 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:02.319 kind of structure, or whether you want to try to 606 00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.720 roll this thing back to nineteen ninety seven and give 607 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:10.160 the schools a lot more empowerment to enforce amateurism rules, 608 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:15.319 either of those solutions is going to require Congress, because 609 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.720 right now the NC double A is not empowered to 610 00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:21.079 make or enforce virtually any kind of rule without the 611 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:24.240 forts system ruling and shipping away at it. So I 612 00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:26.240 don't look at that and necessarily think that was lack 613 00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.119 of administrator leadership. The lack of administrator leadership was probably 614 00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.000 more in two thousand and seven than in twenty twenty four. 615 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.000 But you could come up with the best plan in 616 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.599 the world. I can sit out here and I can 617 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.799 write a three thousand word compromise that a lot of 618 00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:43.279 people would agree with tomorrow, and a second it's enforced, 619 00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:46.480 it's going to get smacked down on anti trust grounds. 620 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:51.640 I personally think that there are there are sixty votes 621 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.279 in the US Senate to pass something that says, Okay, 622 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:57.640 we're going to give the nc DOUBLEA a limited and 623 00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:01.079 conditional antitrust exemption to enforce or some of these rules, 624 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.960 and we're gonna say that college football players cannot be employees, 625 00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:10.119 and that designation only is true if the NCAA commits 626 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.960 to X, Y Z, and we can reassess it every 627 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.400 two or three years. And it's gonna make it's gonna 628 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.480 make a lot of trial lawyers pretty angry. But that 629 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.599 might be the most reasonable, the easiest path here, because 630 00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:24.200 I mean, you know this even better than I do locally, Right, 631 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:26.920 there's a lot of states that don't allow or don't 632 00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.559 want collective bargaining for public employees. And if you're in 633 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:32.519 a place where you're not gonna let the firefighters and 634 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.079 the cops and the teachers do it, you're not gonna 635 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:36.519 let middle linebackers do it either. 636 00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.319 Okay, So let's operate off the hypothetical that what you 637 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.400 just outlined will be the direction. Do you agree with 638 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.880 the direction? Is that what you would like to see 639 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.039 happen for the sport? Do you think that's the right move? 640 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:54.240 Because I maintain mad that I and I will stay 641 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.480 on the hill where I do think the right move 642 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.000 is the pro model. I mean, if players sign contract 643 00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:02.039 actually at least they're on campus for a couple of years, 644 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.440 if there is a salary cap, and I'm using professional terms, 645 00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:07.519 then maybe it does even the playing. 646 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:08.039 Field a little bit. 647 00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.720 And of course there's always money paid into various ways, 648 00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:11.480 but that's not new. 649 00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:12.720 That's been going on forever. 650 00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:17.319 So if if there is a salary structure, a salary cap, 651 00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.720 and contracts where players are on campus for a couple 652 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:21.920 of years, I believe that to be the right route. 653 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.079 If the congressional bill that you're talking about is the route, 654 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:28.079 do you think that will go a long way to 655 00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:30.680 alleviate some of the issues that we always talk about. 656 00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.000 I think the bill that's coming is something that's going 657 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:36.480 to be written by Ted Cruz, and I admit I 658 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.680 am generally not the kind of person who's going to 659 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:40.480 go and say with my full chest, I love this 660 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:44.000 bill that Ted Cruz wrote, or that that Senator Lee 661 00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.240 is also going to support that. I'm sure we agree 662 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.119 on something. It's a it's probably a smaller list and 663 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:55.319 my understanding because I've heard about drafts of this of 664 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:57.440 this bill is kind of circulated around and is not. 665 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:01.160 It's not really a secret anymore. It wouldn't look like 666 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:03.559 that very much like it wouldn't move to that professional 667 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.680 model like now in my opinion, which I know makes 668 00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.119 for lousy sports radio. Is I think it depends on 669 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:11.240 the kind of athlete you're talking about. Like, do I 670 00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:16.160 think that professionalization and employment status and contracts of track 671 00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:19.440 athletes and Division one college athletics makes sense? I'd say 672 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:22.119 probably not. It's very rare that I run into somebody 673 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.640 who wants that, and and that model will probably lead 674 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:27.880 to worse outcomes than what we have right now. Do 675 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.400 I think that Big twelve football players and Big twelve 676 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:34.240 basketball players should be employees and have a union and 677 00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:38.960 head collectively bargain. I do, But I also am am, 678 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.759 I can't. I don't say that with like deep authoritative absolutely, 679 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.880 because I it's one thing to say we want collective 680 00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:50.200 bargaining when a union doesn't exist. It's another thing to 681 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.680 have somebody on the other side of that table to 682 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.880 do that negotiating. And that doesn't exist right now, and 683 00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.960 if it's created by management by Congress. By Jim Cabay, 684 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.880 at athletes dot Org out of kind of siat. I 685 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.000 think it's going to get its butt kicked for the 686 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.440 first several years, which is often what happened to athlete unions. 687 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:11.880 So then it's like, Okay, do I well this do 688 00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.119 I want something that will make my life easier as 689 00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:17.319 a reporter, my life easier as a fan, and will 690 00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.319 probably benefit my personal fandom. I went to Ohio State. 691 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.400 I root for the bluest of the blue blood football 692 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.480 programs like it would probably benefit me, and hope that 693 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.960 it would benefit athletes in twelve years, even if it 694 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.839 sucks for people in the short term that's harder. I 695 00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:34.000 as not a cop out, honest to God, Like, I 696 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.400 don't think there's a I just don't think there's an 697 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:38.759 easy answer out there. If there is, we probably would 698 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:39.440 have done it by now. 699 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.799 So for college football and college basketball fans that cannot 700 00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:48.319 stand the fact that we no longer get to know 701 00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:50.880 these kids, we no longer get to you know, the 702 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.000 great Rick mcjari's teams always had the Keith van Horns 703 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.160 and the Andre Millers and the Britton Johnson's that stayed 704 00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.000 until they were juniors and seniors. And you and I 705 00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:01.519 have talked about the dynamic of the best Utah football 706 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:05.720 teams were comprised of kids a coach with recruited that 707 00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:08.719 maybe weren't all that highly thought of and then developed 708 00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.840 into juniors and seniors and NFL players and those who 709 00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.320 have been the best Utah football and basketball rosters. I 710 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.199 think it's pretty much the same thing with Breagham young. 711 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.280 So fans that cannot stand the fact that they're losing 712 00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:22.639 their favorite players every year, would you just say that 713 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.320 you better get used to it, because that's how it's 714 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:24.760 going to be. 715 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:31.719 Probably unless the Byus and Utah's of the world begin 716 00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.199 to recruit a very different kind of person and begin 717 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.559 to really go out of their way to offer value 718 00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:44.800 independent of just money. And a lot of programs like 719 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:46.920 to talk about, hey we want to be transformational, we 720 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:48.920 don't want to be transactional like and I believe in 721 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.440 their heart they mean that, but it's hard to get 722 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.280 a twenty year old to buy into it when you 723 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.199 don't under a twenty years Like if we legal back 724 00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:59.719 at time and talk to our twenty year old selves 725 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.920 and look at various schools, I mean like, hey, well 726 00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:03.960 if you going to this school, look how much money 727 00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:06.239 their forty year old alumni make and look how this 728 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.800 is connected to US world and news report and look 729 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:10.159 at it. All these things that will pay off in 730 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:13.679 your thirties. We wouldn't care. We would care about the 731 00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:16.840 amount of money that's available right now, playing time, maybe 732 00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:22.039 availability of cute girls, and maybe proximity to mom and dad, right. 733 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.679 And I know that schools try to do this. I 734 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.360 know that both BYU and Utah don't recruit every single 735 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:31.360 five star guy because you need somebody who's going to 736 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.119 be comfortable in Utah, somebody who's going to be successful 737 00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.920 in this kind of environment. Probably not somebody who wants 738 00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:41.280 to be on every single commercial. But I think it 739 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:45.679 will be very difficult in the foreseeable future to keep 740 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.559 eighty five percent of the kids that you sign as 741 00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.800 high schoolers, or eighty percent of them on your team 742 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:57.639 moving forward. It's it's difficult to look somebody in the 743 00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.159 eye and say, no, you shouldn't go accept that eight 744 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.000 hundred thousand dollars check at Arkansas. 745 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:07.519 That's hard, Yeah, for sure. And you know one more 746 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:09.199 thing here than I do. I would by you questioned, 747 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:11.239 because we were talking about this earlier in the show, 748 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:15.280 Like the dynamic of NIL. I don't think is a 749 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.559 bad I don't think it's a bad thing. I don't 750 00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:22.440 think in theory. I think it's a positive thing. NIL itself, 751 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:26.480 to me, isn't the problem, right, It's the way it's administered. 752 00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:28.760 It's the lack of guidelines and guardrails. 753 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.920 So you know, ultimately to your point, I would never 754 00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:34.920 have the nerve to tell anybody to turn out a 755 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.719 bag like we're all trying to make our way through 756 00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:40.079 the world. And if you could parlay your newsletter into 757 00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:42.440 ten times what you're making right now, then go do it. 758 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:43.320 Whatever that looks like. 759 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:45.599 If I had a different offer to do the show 760 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.760 in a different market for five times my salary, I 761 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.559 want to go be able to do that. So I 762 00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:53.039 don't necessarily begrudge any young athlete for going to get 763 00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:56.559 their money at all. But is there any sort of 764 00:36:56.639 --> 00:37:00.760 way that we haven't necessarily discussed to make sure that 765 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:01.719 those decisions. 766 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.079 And I know they've tried to close the portal. 767 00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.639 Here and and and the calendar is not as wide 768 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.039 open as it used to be, But outside of signing 769 00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:12.119 a contract, I just don't see any other way of 770 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.920 keeping these kids on campus if they can I mean, 771 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.719 we've had a couple of transfer portal losses for the 772 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:20.079 Utes just over the past couple of weeks. 773 00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.960 You know, Zach William's going to US seed and there's. 774 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:26.320 All this debate online about you know, there's the incestuous 775 00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:28.880 nature between the Utah and BYU coaching staff. 776 00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.400 Right, and so are you poaching on Twitter? 777 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:32.840 Right? Right? 778 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:33.199 Right? 779 00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.519 Yeah, yeah, they're poaching our player and like you can't 780 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.119 call it poaching because it's allowed. 781 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.039 It's not against the rules. Like nobody is doing anything 782 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:41.880 to fari us here. 783 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.320 So is there a way, uh to you know, because 784 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:46.960 again to your point, go get your back. 785 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:48.599 I'm not saying I'm not saying don't. 786 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.199 But is there a way to at least keep these 787 00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.960 kids on campus for a couple of years. That's a 788 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.400 good situation for them and the institution. 789 00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:58.840 So I think there's there's a couple of things. If 790 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.760 I can wave a magic wand right, because we actually 791 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:04.400 we do have contracts, right, Like I in addition to 792 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.119 running a newsletter, I have a software product that that 793 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.360 collects coach and administrator and vendor contracts and I sell 794 00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:15.159 that to newsrooms and agencies and other people. And there 795 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:18.360 are contracts between schools and athletes that are in there. 796 00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.320 And we're seeing this right now with Arkansas about Arkansas's 797 00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:24.519 ability to recoup some of that buyout money from you know, 798 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:28.280 from from Nico's little brother, and and there's there's a 799 00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:31.159 good legal case to be had that those those posits 800 00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.760 are not enforceable. So then even a contract doesn't necessarily help, 801 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:36.679 Like it kind of depends on what some judges and 802 00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:40.920 lawyers end up saying. One policy that does not get 803 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.800 discussed very much federally that I think would meaningfully help, 804 00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:46.800 and this is something that I think lawmakers could do, 805 00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:51.800 even in Utah, is to have actual, aggressive and meaningful 806 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:57.880 agent licensing metrics and a law enforcement body or some 807 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.599 kind of enforcement body, maybe it's the Utah State Bar 808 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:03.800 maybe it's the FTC maybe I don't know, and anybody 809 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.760 short of the Highway Police that basically requires you, if 810 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:11.199 you're going to represent an athlete in these kind of deals, 811 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:16.599 to pass some kind of baseline competence and ethics exam, 812 00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:18.199 just like we do for lawyers. If I want to 813 00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:20.440 practice law on the state of Utah, I have to 814 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.719 be barred in this in the state. I'm on a 815 00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:25.320 registry and if I act on ethically, I can lose 816 00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:28.719 my license and not continue to practice law. There's and 817 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.280 and and for professional athletes in the NBA, in the 818 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:35.760 NFL and NHL, their agencies have created these kind of benchmarks. 819 00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.760 To the extent that state laws or federal laws exist 820 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:42.599 governing sports agents, they're almost uniformly not enforced. And I 821 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:46.639 think a lot of the problems legitimately in college athletics 822 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:53.000 roster management come from unqualified, unscrupulous and and you know, 823 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:57.159 agent with with poor ethics. And if there were meaningful 824 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.199 professional consequences to the guys that are trying to you know, 825 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:03.480 push people into the portal who aren't in there right 826 00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.840 now so they could collect twenty percent, I think that's 827 00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:07.679 going to drop some of this stuff down, because it's 828 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:11.599 not the people at CAA and Rock Nation and Wassermen 829 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.840 that are escalating what we're seeing so much, particularly in 830 00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:16.679 college basketball. 831 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.039 All Right, before I say you lose, you know, there's 832 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:24.000 continues to be I think it's a fascinating story. You know, 833 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.639 for years and years and years, as soon as the 834 00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:29.679 ability to pay players became a reality and we kind 835 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.360 of understood what NIL was, I did a show the 836 00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:34.599 next ask said This is great news for BYU. 837 00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:35.400 It really is. 838 00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:36.920 If they want to get in the game, if they 839 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.800 want to get involved, if they want to start really 840 00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.039 opening up their checkbooks. And I've got to be careful 841 00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.000 here because people get mad. I'm not saying the church. 842 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.119 I'm saying a lot of the alums that have gone 843 00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.199 on to start MLMs, whether they're. 844 00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:50.519 Legal or not, they make a lot of money. 845 00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.480 And you know these CEOs of companies, Silicon Slopes and such, 846 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.599 and the number I've been told Matt is BYU currently 847 00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:02.000 has nine seven figure donors. And the irony is a lot, 848 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.199 a lot of the a lot of the money spent, 849 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:06.320 a lot of the resources spent is being spent on 850 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:10.760 the basketball program. And I wonder how this lands with Collatate. 851 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:13.880 But since you and I last spoke, the reports are 852 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:16.559 aj the bans is being paid seven million dollars for 853 00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:17.880 five months in basketball. 854 00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.159 You reference that we do have contracts. 855 00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:23.559 Well, according to Jeff Goodman, Robert Wright, the Baylor freshman, 856 00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:27.159 signed a contract with Baylor for a million. BYU offered 857 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.039 three and he said, okay, I'm gone. Richie Saunders is 858 00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:34.280 coming back. Reported seven figure deal for Richie. When you 859 00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.199 do the math based off the reporting BYU Basketball has 860 00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.679 a roster that's going to cost whoever's writing checks for 861 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:43.039 the Royal Blue Collective about thirteen to fifteen million dollars. 862 00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.159 I wonder what you make of you know, Travis Hanson 863 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:50.960 who played at BYU and others. Here's what Travis had 864 00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.000 to say said, quote, there's this narrative that we outbid people. 865 00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:55.119 We don't. 866 00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.719 We outlove them, We outdeveloped them, and we outpurposed them. 867 00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:00.599 And it just makes me want to throw up in 868 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:03.800 my mouth because don't tell me I'm not seeing what 869 00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:06.800 I'm seeing. I just wonder why they can't, because look, 870 00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.400 I don't think you should run from it like you 871 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:11.960 should be doing victory laps. That you have enough donors 872 00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:16.559 and you have enough economic power to attract players and 873 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.840 give Kevin Young a roster the most people believe is 874 00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:22.239 a top five roster in college basketball next year. Why 875 00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:24.679 don't they just say the thing that's actually happening. 876 00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.880 You know, boy, that is a really good question. And 877 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:32.039 I would love to have that conversation, even if it 878 00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:34.360 has to be off the record with some folks that 879 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.840 have BYU dot edu email addresses. And I say this 880 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:41.360 not to point a finger at BYU. I think some 881 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.599 of that approach is almost universal everywhere in college athletics. 882 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.239 I remember when I was at the National Championship game 883 00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:50.840 in football and Ohio State one and the castetti had fallen, 884 00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:53.480 and I'm standing next to Ross new York, who's Ohio 885 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.360 State's athletic director, and I wrote a story about this. 886 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.960 One of the first things he told me was we 887 00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:01.760 did not have the highest pay role in college football, 888 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.000 which I actually believe, and I would as I would 889 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:05.920 talk to agents on the football side, they would say, like, 890 00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.639 Ohio State was very competitive, but they're usually not the 891 00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.000 highest bidder. And I don't know anybody that says, hell, yeah, 892 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:15.039 we're the highest bidder. Absolutely, we're going to go drop 893 00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:16.719 the most money other than Texas, A and M, and 894 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.199 we kind of know they kind of know how that happens. 895 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:24.079 I think personally part of the issue. And when I'm 896 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.159 about to say here is not me being critical. This 897 00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:29.840 is just my what what I have perceived and seen through, 898 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:31.679 you know, having lived most of my life as a 899 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:35.400 latter day saying the BYU and the church as an 900 00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:39.679 extension of that, do not really drop the bag on anybody. 901 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:40.719 If you're going to go. 902 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:42.400 If you're being a professor, if you're going to be 903 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:46.360 a professor of YU or a software developer or somebody else, 904 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:49.440 you're usually not paid top of market. And part of 905 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.199 that is because like, well, don't you want to come 906 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:53.960 work here and be in provo and then be in 907 00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:57.559 the heart of everything. And for some people, they absolutely do, 908 00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:01.039 and that drops you know, that that's drops the labor price. 909 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.639 Down a little bit. The you know, we all know 910 00:44:03.760 --> 00:44:05.880 that the folks that are doing a ton of work 911 00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:10.280 at an ecclesiastical level are unpaid. Like there is a 912 00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.400 a huge culture of I'm not doing this for the money, 913 00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:17.079 I think anywhere at a church affiliated institution, And I 914 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:19.559 am not criticizing that. In many ways, I think that's 915 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.039 very noble. But if that is true, and you're anybody 916 00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:27.920 working within an LDS enterprise, and then you look out 917 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.400 and then you see a donor, you know, not an 918 00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:33.880 LDS employee, but you know a donor you suddenly paying 919 00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.880 top dollar for basketball I and and that, and that's 920 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.119 kind of what's going out there in the marketplace. I 921 00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.719 can see how that might revi you the wrong way. 922 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.079 I again, not a criticism, but I feel like I 923 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:50.960 get mixed messages from listening to people at CEES or 924 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:53.119 or are really close to the program about like, we 925 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:54.719 don't want to be the high bidder. We want to 926 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:56.719 be a value centered program. We want to do X, 927 00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.000 Y or Z versus the numbers that can get reports 928 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:04.360 bi secular basketball media. And I don't know if there 929 00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.559 is a way you can square the circle with we 930 00:45:06.599 --> 00:45:09.320 want to do things the BYU way, however you define that, 931 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:14.119 and on what's happening now. I don't blame anybody for going. 932 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.079 I don't know if this makes sense, you know what 933 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:16.400 I mean? 934 00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:18.519 Yeah, yeah, no, for sure, for sure. 935 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:21.519 It's an interesting time out this way, and that's a 936 00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:21.880 good team. 937 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:23.039 Kevin has done a good job. 938 00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:24.760 And I'm you know, yeah, Like I said, I have 939 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.400 no yeah, for sure, and I have no issues with 940 00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:29.559 you doing what you have to do within the landscape 941 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.159 of what's allowed to acquire talent. Just don't tell me 942 00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:34.800 I'm not seeing what I'm seeing. It's very flood the zone, 943 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.519 muddy the water, Steve Bannon like. But anyway, I've kept 944 00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:40.400 you too long, Matt. Where can people go get the work? 945 00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:43.639 You bet you can find my work which covers off 946 00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.639 the field stories in the college athletics industry at extra 947 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:51.159 Points MB dot com. Working on some other original reporting 948 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:53.159 and some stuff related to video games, which I know 949 00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.280 is the most consumers would rather hear you talk about 950 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.360 than antitrust law. So you can find all of that 951 00:45:58.639 --> 00:45:59.840 at extra Points MB. 952 00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:03.000 Enjoy that, Chicago Sunshine Man, thanks for the time. 953 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:05.880 Okay, okay, yeah, thank you. I appreciate you all right. 954 00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.800 Matt Brown stops by today courtesy of our good friends 955 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.280 at IFA Country Stores. As the weather gets warmer, you 956 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:13.639 might want to start looking and thinking about your lawn 957 00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.920 care and he drive to the basket begins with the 958 00:46:15.920 --> 00:46:16.960 first step on the court. 959 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:18.239 That's the ultimate power move. 960 00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:21.079 IFA step born crabgrass Preventer and Lawn Food is the 961 00:46:21.119 --> 00:46:23.599 first choice to give your yard the healthy green look 962 00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:24.079 you admire. 963 00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:25.480 The neighbors will be green with envy. 964 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:28.599 You can shop IFA online at IFA dot co Oper 965 00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:30.559 stop by one of their neighborhood stores today. 966 00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:34.360 He's the Pride of Norwich, Connecticut and an adopted son 967 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.800 of Salt Lake City. After forty years with the Utah Jazz, 968 00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:41.760 there's no one better to talk some hoops. Richard Smitty 969 00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:45.599 Smith is back on the drive on ESPN seven hundred. 970 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:49.880 Get back to some NFL draft takeaways. Good stuff with 971 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.719 Matt Brown today. Always a challenging interview or guy that 972 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:58.039 is that bright and talks that fast, So so many 973 00:46:58.039 --> 00:47:01.119 interesting storylines around the world of college athletics right now. 974 00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:03.599 Matt does a great job writing Extra Points, a newsletter 975 00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:05.960 that is a daily stop for me. But live in 976 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:10.519 studio our guy who's getting ready to take a trip 977 00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.360 that is making me very, very jealous. He's heading down south. 978 00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:15.440 He spent some time with their friends at Black Desert. 979 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:18.719 Richard Smitty Smith's SMITTI Happy Monday, sir, How are. 980 00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:20.119 You, Spence? Were doing great? 981 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.880 I'm excited to h to be going down to Ivans 982 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.239 or Saint George and see the Black Desert and first 983 00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:29.599 time ever I'll be in an LPGA tournament, So to 984 00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.480 see the best women golfers in the world tear it 985 00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:36.679 up in person and see how precise they are. You know, 986 00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:39.840 when I watch them on TV, they just they're always 987 00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:42.599 in control, They got everything lined up their hands and 988 00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.000 show they you know, they're just so good at that, 989 00:47:45.239 --> 00:47:47.760 you know, and so excited to see that in person 990 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:49.239 and see what it looks like. 991 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.639 Good field too, right, I was seaking that they have 992 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.159 like seven of the top ten golfers on the Lpgah. 993 00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:57.039 Yeah, yeah, I think the I think the tournament if 994 00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:00.119 I understand it correctly, and and I don't know this 995 00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:02.920 for sure, but my understanding is that they've they've arranged 996 00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:05.800 with whoever they could get from the UH from the 997 00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.079 first major of the year last week in Texas UH 998 00:48:09.119 --> 00:48:11.239 to come up to this tournament and are flying them 999 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.840 all up in private jets and said, hey, you come 1000 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:14.440 to the tournament. 1001 00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:16.199 We got you covered. Don't worry about it. 1002 00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.119 You know, we'll get you from A to B and 1003 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:20.480 make sure you're all situated at the at the resort, 1004 00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:23.840 and and and and for professional golfers at any level, 1005 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:27.360 you know, anything you can do to to entice them, 1006 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:29.639 you know, to be part of your thing is you know, 1007 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.119 is a big deal. And so that's UH, that's exciting 1008 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:33.679 for the for the organizers. 1009 00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.400 We had Patrick mannon on last week and I kindly 1010 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:40.400 offered UH to allow the plane. No, I kindly offered 1011 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:43.159 to allow me to be picked up by a private 1012 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.440 jet to go play at Black Desert, and he plightly declined, 1013 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:48.320 well really, yeah, I was surprised. 1014 00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.880 Well, he probably declined because he thought, well, Spence is 1015 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.480 just pulling my leg. He's got his own private plane. 1016 00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:54.719 He's just trying to say. 1017 00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:57.559 Time, let alone a private plane at this port, Smittie. 1018 00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:59.440 But I'm jealous, man. You'll have a good time, all right. 1019 00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:03.400 I want to start with a non NBA story. Shador 1020 00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:05.840 Sanders slides to the fifth round of the NFL Draft. 1021 00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:08.760 And you're a guy that for forty years, throughout the 1022 00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:10.320 course of your time with the Jazz, you were in 1023 00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:13.079 a lot of war rooms. He worked with Franken Scott 1024 00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:17.119 and then Kevin O'Connor and Dennis Lindsay, what is the 1025 00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:20.519 process like? Because clearly, and look who knows we were 1026 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:23.480 talking about this during the break. The NFL draft media 1027 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:26.760 cover just full of grifters. It's full of people that 1028 00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:32.280 claim to know what they're talking about, and the same grifters. 1029 00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.320 So on Wednesday, I'm listening to all these draft experts 1030 00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.079 and it's Shador is three to the Giants. 1031 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:39.400 It's twenty one of the Steelers. 1032 00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:41.119 But he's not fallen out of the first round, and 1033 00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:43.800 if he does, the Browns are right there in the second. 1034 00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:45.199 Nobody said fifth round. 1035 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.159 And the same grifters today are saying, well, my intel 1036 00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:50.519 over the weekend said well, this is why he slid this, 1037 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.159 that would I don't know what to believe exactly, but 1038 00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:58.639 throughout the course of analyzing these young prospects the interview process, 1039 00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:02.199 what what what's your take when you see this precipitous 1040 00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:04.000 slide for a player that a lot of people. 1041 00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:05.239 Thought would go very early on. 1042 00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.760 Well, that's the thing that that that's really fascinating to 1043 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:11.559 me about the whole Shoodo Sanders thing. And I'm just 1044 00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:14.440 a casual NFL fan. I follow it, you know, like 1045 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.480 anybody else sitting up in row forty five, you know, 1046 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.159 on the on the end zone, you know, at games, 1047 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.320 but they you know, all the stuff leading up to it, 1048 00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:28.119 right was was him going in the top ten, you know, 1049 00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:31.320 maybe he gets to the mid first round or something, 1050 00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:34.400 but he's one of the top quarterback prospects. And then 1051 00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:40.559 to fall that far from what everybody was saying, especially 1052 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.639 your guy mel Kiper, you know, was one of the 1053 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.039 loudest voices in the room about it. And that was 1054 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:49.000 a very interesting exchange they had towards the end of 1055 00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.000 the get with the panel that he was with trying 1056 00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.199 to defend himself and and and all those kinds of things. 1057 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.360 And that's what happens when you stick your neck out 1058 00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.039 like that, you know, and make predictions that that you 1059 00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.280 you know, you really don't quite know what's going to happen. 1060 00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:05.679 But but for a guy like Sanders to slide all 1061 00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.800 the way to the fifth, fifth round from what he 1062 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:12.559 did in college and also what everybody was saying ahead 1063 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:16.079 of the draft was going to happen regarding him, it's 1064 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:19.719 fascinating to me because that says to me, Spence, having 1065 00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.719 having worked in these kind of environments over the years, 1066 00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:27.320 there's other things behind the scenes that no one's talking about, 1067 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:31.280 whether they know them or they're not aware of what 1068 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:35.039 they are, and they can't talk about them simply because 1069 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:39.199 of lack of information or knowledge. But other things, whether 1070 00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:42.039 it's you know this thing about you know that that 1071 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:44.440 he called half the teams ahead of time and said, 1072 00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.360 don't don't select me. He did the the Eli Manning 1073 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.239 thing that everybody forgets about, you know, way back when 1074 00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:53.480 when Eli Manning and his dad said, hey, we know 1075 00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:55.559 we're not going to go to San Diego, so don't 1076 00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:58.000 you know or you got to trade them or something, 1077 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:00.880 you know, now, how it all fell out or the 1078 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.800 John Elway thing and all that kind of stuff way 1079 00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:08.079 back in the day. That's not unprecedented, that happening. But 1080 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:11.800 if you do that, then the front offices you're talking to, 1081 00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.039 the organizations you're talking to, you know, they're sitting in 1082 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.320 their rooms and they're going, Hey, the guy called us 1083 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.519 and he doesn't want to play here. Do we like 1084 00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:22.079 him enough that you know, we don't care about that, 1085 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:25.280 because this is the process and we're responsible for our 1086 00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:29.360 own organization and to make it better or is it 1087 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.599 a borderline thing where it's just not worth it and 1088 00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:35.360 we just go to Plan B whatever. And that's why 1089 00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.480 he kept sliding, sliding, sliding, And then you have the 1090 00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.800 issue with you know, position in football. Obviously, there's so 1091 00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.280 many different positions. We get to our pick in the 1092 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:46.840 third round. Yeah, we like shud or Sanders, but we 1093 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.840 really need a middle linebacker, and the kid from Ohio 1094 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.320 State still there, we got to take him. And so 1095 00:52:53.400 --> 00:52:57.880 if you went over everybody's boards and draftless, you'd probably 1096 00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.159 see teams that would say, oh, yeah, we like standers, 1097 00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.760 but we had four other positions that we had to 1098 00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:09.400 you know, take care of first before we got to 1099 00:53:09.440 --> 00:53:11.559 that point. And so there's a lot of those those 1100 00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:14.760 kind of a moving parts that are involved, but something 1101 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:18.000 as precipitous is supposed to be in the first half 1102 00:53:18.079 --> 00:53:21.480 of the first round to the fifth round is really 1103 00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:27.159 saying something about people don't like his act off the court, 1104 00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:29.800 they don't off the field, they don't like, you know, 1105 00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:32.119 all the social media stuff. They don't like the circus 1106 00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:36.559 that surrounds him. He's not really that good to have 1107 00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:39.159 to deal with that stuff. I don't know. It's just 1108 00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.719 there's something in that regard that I think is fascinating 1109 00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:47.119 because at some point it'll start leaking out where teams 1110 00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:49.400 will say, yeah, well, you know, I talked to the 1111 00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.079 other four of my colleagues around the league, and we 1112 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:54.800 all said, why are dealing with that thing? You know, 1113 00:53:54.800 --> 00:53:56.800 because that's not worth it, you know, you know, whatever 1114 00:53:56.840 --> 00:53:59.480 it is. And so that that, to me is the 1115 00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:02.920 fascinating part. Now, the flip of it to me was 1116 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:06.639 when they showed him being selected by the Browns, and 1117 00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:09.119 you know, you would have thought he just was the 1118 00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:12.079 first first pick of the draft the way he reacted right, 1119 00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:14.440 the dancing and doing the stuff, and they didn't show 1120 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:17.360 any any kind of you know, sulking or head down 1121 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.960 or any of that kind of stuff. So you know, 1122 00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.639 if if that's the real reaction or if that's just 1123 00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:24.920 for for you know, made for TV, as we say, 1124 00:54:25.559 --> 00:54:27.880 or or what have you. But they were smart and 1125 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.760 you know and saying, hey, when this happens, dude, whenever 1126 00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:33.400 it is, you know, you can't be looking like that 1127 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.519 guy over in the corner who just broke up with 1128 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:36.159 his girlfriend. 1129 00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:38.320 You gotta you gotta make it look good. Yeah, I 1130 00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:39.239 got it. I got it. 1131 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.480 And it seems like he's probably savvy enough to understand 1132 00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:43.840 that and handle it that way. 1133 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:47.679 You referenced the reports that Shador and his reps, whether 1134 00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.880 it was Dion or what have you, contacting certain teams 1135 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.519 and saying don't draft him, We're not gonna come. He 1136 00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:56.719 doesn't want to play for you. Over the years that 1137 00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:58.679 you spent with the Utah Jazz. You know, we were 1138 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.480 talking off air a little bit. There are a lot 1139 00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:04.760 of public reports that people know about the Derek Harper's 1140 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:07.719 of the world, the Ronnie Seycheles of the world. Your 1141 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.480 former boss, Dennis Lindsay went on a podcast last year 1142 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.639 and actually talked to Dennis about this because I heard it, 1143 00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:16.440 and he said during the height of the Mitchell Gobert 1144 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.519 Conley group, he had an opportunity to make a trade 1145 00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:23.079 for what he characterized as a star player, and the 1146 00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:24.760 agent called Dennis and said, don't do it. 1147 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:25.480 He's not coming. 1148 00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:30.760 So you know, whether it was through the draft or 1149 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.119 whether it was via free agency or trades over the years, 1150 00:55:33.119 --> 00:55:35.239 whether it was Scotty and Frank or Kevin O'Connor or 1151 00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:39.320 Dennis lindsay, when you guys received intel that my guy's 1152 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:41.360 not coming, doesn't want to play. If you don't draft him, 1153 00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:44.079 don't trade for him, don't sign him, how'd you handle it? 1154 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.119 Well, it's always a difficult thing because, first of all, 1155 00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:51.679 your responsibility, first and foremost is to the organization, to 1156 00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:55.000 your ownership group, and obviously to your fans to do 1157 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.280 the best you can to put the best product out 1158 00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.239 on the floor. And so you have to balance. You know, 1159 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.840 what you think is going to make sense for your group, 1160 00:56:03.440 --> 00:56:08.920 and you know what the attitude approach, the the overall 1161 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.480 mindset of the individual is who you're going to try 1162 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:15.519 and add to the group. You know, nobody wants to 1163 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.039 deal with a male content. Nobody wants to deal with 1164 00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:21.000 somebody who you have to talk them into you know, 1165 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.760 playing nice with the other kids in the room, like 1166 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.480 it's you know, nobody wants to have to do that. 1167 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:29.559 Sometimes you have to do that. And I always call 1168 00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:34.119 that the uh the Iverson effect, meaning like how good 1169 00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.039 is the player and how much does he bring to 1170 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:41.199 your group to offset what the headaches and and all 1171 00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.880 the other issues are you know, off the basketball court, 1172 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.840 and so how do those balance each other? And and 1173 00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:51.280 and you call it the Irison effect because Allen Iverson 1174 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.039 in his career was such a good player and so 1175 00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:58.159 impactful and so dynamic on the floor that the people 1176 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.800 I know for a fact who had to work with 1177 00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:04.119 him all during his career said, yeah, it was a 1178 00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:06.559 lot of heavy lifting and there was a lot of 1179 00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:09.880 pain on our part, but we just had to figure 1180 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.239 it out from day to day because he's so good. 1181 00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:17.480 So how much of that is in the equation? And 1182 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.280 so you know, when when agents call you and they say, hey, look, 1183 00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:23.360 my guy doesn't really want to come to the Salt Lake. 1184 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.079 He doesn't want to do this, you know, it's always 1185 00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:29.719 a long discussion because because you're trying to sell yourself, 1186 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:33.280 but at the same time you have to realize, you 1187 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.440 know what, how is this going to impact our overall group? 1188 00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:40.079 We're trying to add in that regard to the group. 1189 00:57:40.119 --> 00:57:44.280 We're trying to improve our situation as it currently stands. 1190 00:57:44.639 --> 00:57:46.519 If we bring in a guy who doesn't want to 1191 00:57:46.519 --> 00:57:49.719 be here and a guy who says ahead of time, Hey, 1192 00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.400 I don't want to come, but if I have to come, 1193 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.039 I'm not going to be happy about it, then you 1194 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:56.880 have to deal with that. So how does that going 1195 00:57:56.960 --> 00:57:59.679 to impact the rest of the group. So there's a 1196 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:03.480 fine balancing line there, Spence, because because you have to 1197 00:58:03.519 --> 00:58:06.519 do your business to to what you feel is going 1198 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.679 to help your group, but at the same time, what 1199 00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.880 the business you do, do you think then it's going 1200 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:16.239 to be some kind of detriment to your group because 1201 00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:19.079 of the attitude that's that's coming with it. So it's 1202 00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.280 always a fine a fine balancing act that that's that's 1203 00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:26.239 never there's no blueprint for every single one in that 1204 00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:29.599 regard is its own entity and comes with its own 1205 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:30.519 set of challenges. 1206 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:33.880 And it's tough because you know, look, Ronnie Seychlee wasn't 1207 00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:36.800 a chem olaju on, but he would have. I don't 1208 00:58:36.840 --> 00:58:38.400 know what that team would have looked like. But that's 1209 00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.440 exactly what you needed. And the player Dennis was talking 1210 00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:43.480 about to make the trade to kind of supplement the 1211 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:45.840 growth that Rudy and Donovan he told me off the record, 1212 00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:47.079 and it would have been a great addition. 1213 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:48.079 That's what you needed. 1214 00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.639 How do you how do you balance that where it's like, look, 1215 00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:53.400 I know you don't want to come here, but then 1216 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:54.920 on the other side, you're like, but if you do, 1217 00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:57.639 we got a shot to win the thing. I mean, 1218 00:58:57.639 --> 00:58:59.440 do you have a conversation with a player or is 1219 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.159 it is it back and white? If they're gonna be 1220 00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.320 a malecontend and they're not an Iverson type talent, you say, okay. 1221 00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:05.400 Go kick go kick rocks. 1222 00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:05.840 Yeah. 1223 00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:10.320 Well it's again, every single one is handled differently, and 1224 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:14.679 you have to take in all all facets of what uh, 1225 00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:18.280 the the situation is, all the different areas that you're 1226 00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:24.840 that you're involved in there in terms of skill ability, talent, attitude, uh, work, ethic, 1227 00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:28.360 all those kinds of things, uh, and then figure. 1228 00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.320 In you you have to know what your group is about. 1229 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.519 So then you have to figure out, well, if we 1230 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.159 if we can do something like this, maybe the guys 1231 00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:38.360 in our group that are here can win that person 1232 00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:44.079 over okay, But it's really a sticky situation when when 1233 00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:47.519 it comes up, and it's not always uh, it's never 1234 00:59:47.559 --> 00:59:51.400 the most comfortable because you always feel like we're trying 1235 00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:55.119 to do what's best for our group. You know, this 1236 00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:57.840 guy we think can help us, this guy says he 1237 00:59:57.880 --> 00:59:58.760 doesn't want to be here. 1238 00:59:58.880 --> 00:59:59.599 Whatever it is. 1239 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:03.880 Now we have to balance that, like, well, do we 1240 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:07.239 still want them? Do we still try and make that 1241 01:00:07.400 --> 01:00:11.559 work because that's our job and the responsibility we have 1242 01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:15.320 to the organization to try and do these things if 1243 01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:18.280 and when they become available. Or do we just say, oh, 1244 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:20.679 it's too much work, forget it, We're going to plan 1245 01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.559 B and we move on, which is it may not 1246 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.039 be in the best interest of the organization. So then 1247 01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:28.559 you feel like, well, I'm not doing the job I'm 1248 01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:30.000 supposed to do for our group. 1249 01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.760 So it's always it's always a balance. 1250 01:00:32.880 --> 01:00:36.840 It's always juggling and trying to figure out what really 1251 01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:41.559 makes sense. Is the addition going to be better than 1252 01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:44.880 the subtraction of not doing it at the end of 1253 01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.760 the day. That's always the balance and the juggling act 1254 01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:48.039 you have. 1255 01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:50.400 I can remember the year Paul Pierce was coming out 1256 01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:54.199 of Kansas and I was doing some work with the 1257 01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:57.760 Knicks during their draft prep and process, and the Knicks 1258 01:00:57.760 --> 01:01:01.079 had Paul Pierce as their number one ranked player that year, 1259 01:01:01.719 --> 01:01:03.920 famously fell to tend to Boston and had a Hall 1260 01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:06.280 of Fame career and won a championship with the Celtics. 1261 01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:11.440 The most famous Jazz draft story of a player who 1262 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:13.880 slid that benefited you, guys, I think is Carl right. 1263 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:16.599 Whenever I look at that eighty five draft, that was 1264 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:19.760 a stack draft. Ewing went and one, of course, but 1265 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:23.360 players like Xavier McDaniel, Chris Molin, Debt of Shrimp, Charles Oakley, 1266 01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.480 even a player like Waymon Tisdale, you know John Conkak. 1267 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:30.360 That was a good draft. But Carl slides, you guys 1268 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:32.880 at thirteen and I've heard Frank tell the story a 1269 01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:35.000 million times, which is a great story. And then of 1270 01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:36.800 course I was a kid, but I remember him getting 1271 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:38.679 up to the podium and saying, we're drafted a mailman. 1272 01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:41.639 So I want you to talk us through what that 1273 01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:43.800 was like to watch Carl slide when you guys had 1274 01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:45.360 him analyze as one of the top I don't know 1275 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:48.320 two or three players. Any other stories as well come 1276 01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:50.639 to mind about players that slid to you guys that 1277 01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:51.360 you benefited. 1278 01:01:51.599 --> 01:01:54.360 Yeah, well, well, Carl, you know, it is obviously the 1279 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:56.119 biggest one there. 1280 01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:56.760 He was. 1281 01:01:57.079 --> 01:02:01.199 He was projected during that draft to go so between 1282 01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:05.639 four and seven, and everybody believed that he would be 1283 01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:09.800 going no later than seven to Dallas because he was 1284 01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:11.880 from that area and it was going to be a 1285 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:14.920 regional type pick, and and the people in that area 1286 01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:18.119 that part of the country knew him well from Louisiana Tech. 1287 01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:22.480 And and then when when Dallas took I think it 1288 01:02:22.519 --> 01:02:26.519 was Bill Garnett, Is that who was Delas shremp Was 1289 01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:27.199 it Dellas Trump? 1290 01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.800 Dallas traded with Cleveland according to the draft have up. 1291 01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:33.519 So Mullen went seven in Golden State, Deallas, Shrimp went eight, 1292 01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:34.519 Oakley went nine. 1293 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.920 Okay, yeah, that was and then and so he started sliding. 1294 01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:41.360 And part of the slide, as we understood at that time, 1295 01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:44.119 and I think it's still the case, is that, you know, 1296 01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.599 looking back on it was just that there were teams 1297 01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:48.639 that are a little bit scared off because his his 1298 01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:53.199 college coach wasn't his best advocate in that regard. He 1299 01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:57.239 had some some things that he wasn't quite sure about, 1300 01:02:57.320 --> 01:02:59.679 you know, uh, how Carl worked and and and what 1301 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.320 he was bring to a group, and so he didn't. 1302 01:03:02.400 --> 01:03:04.719 He didn't do the best selling job for his player 1303 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:08.039 in that regard. So that scared off some teams and 1304 01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:11.800 he started sliding. And then I know Kenny Green from 1305 01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:15.320 Wake Forest was taking number twelve by by Washington just 1306 01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:19.480 before the Jazz and and I remember Scott saying, Scott 1307 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.360 Layton saying to his dad at that moment in time 1308 01:03:22.920 --> 01:03:26.039 on the draft stage, hey we got we got to 1309 01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:29.079 take the kid from Louisiana Tech. And and Frank said, well, 1310 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:30.519 what's the matter with him? I thought he's supposed to 1311 01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:33.360 go like top five, six and now he's at thirteen. 1312 01:03:33.400 --> 01:03:36.119 Something's wrong. And Scott said, not that I know of. 1313 01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:38.199 I haven't heard. I haven't heard anything. 1314 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:40.679 I'm not we don't have any intel in that regard. 1315 01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:43.519 And Frank was like, are you sure that he doesn't 1316 01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:45.840 have a bum knee or he didn't have some kind 1317 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:48.719 of legal problem we're not aware of or something, because 1318 01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:51.480 something's going on, And Scott said, no, I don't. I 1319 01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.679 don't know if there's anything. We don't have anything. He said, 1320 01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:58.280 but he is good enough, he's talented enough that we 1321 01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:00.760 just have to take him, and then we have to 1322 01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:04.079 figure it out. And Frank said, okay, I hope, I 1323 01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:06.320 hope you're right, and that was and that was the deal, 1324 01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:08.679 and then we go and then Frank makes the call 1325 01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:13.440 and then and then I do remember the subsequent press 1326 01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:16.280 conference talking about it, and someone asked him about you, 1327 01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:18.239 you know, think he's going to come in and help 1328 01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:21.840 you with your scoring and and Frank said, well, we 1329 01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:25.239 don't have a promise scoring. We have we have Adrian Dantley, 1330 01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:28.320 and we have John Drew, and we have Darryl Griffith, 1331 01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:31.639 and we have Ricky Green, who's kind of a scoring 1332 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:34.840 point guard sort of, he said, and then you know, 1333 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:37.800 we have them developing Mark Eaton, and we have a 1334 01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:41.239 young thorough Bailey. He goes, but we are third, third 1335 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:43.840 to the last in the NBA and rebounding, so we 1336 01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.920 hope that he can this guy from Louisiana Tech, Carl Malone, 1337 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:49.719 can come in and help us with our rebounding and 1338 01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:52.239 some of our defense and stuff. And then if he 1339 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:55.039 scores eight or ten points a game, that'll be a 1340 01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:59.199 bonus for us, and you know, thirty five thousand points 1341 01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:01.960 later or whatever, or you know, so that's you know, 1342 01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:05.760 and Spence, you have a million stories like that where 1343 01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:08.280 where you can take a guy or work with a 1344 01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.679 guy and think, well, we can put him in this 1345 01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:14.039 hole and we think he can do such and such here, 1346 01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:17.400 and then the guy ends up doing something else. It's 1347 01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.440 far beyond that that you're going, well, I didn't know 1348 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.760 he could do that, you know, and then you look 1349 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.239 like the smart guy in the room. As Frank would 1350 01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:28.519 always readily say when people said, oh, John Stockton, how'd 1351 01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:30.079 you know he's gonna be such a one of the 1352 01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:33.400 best point gauds of all time? And Frank would always say, well, 1353 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:35.639 first of all, if we knew he was gonna be that, 1354 01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:38.079 we would have tried to trade up and get him 1355 01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:40.719 in the top three or whatever, you know, which we didn't. 1356 01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:44.480 And you know, that's just you know, there's a million 1357 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.840 of those draft day stories. You know, probably the biggest 1358 01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:50.079 one about guys not wanting to come or whatever. It 1359 01:05:50.199 --> 01:05:52.719 happened even before that with the Jazz in eighty three 1360 01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:55.800 with Dominique Wilkins and the Jazz had the third pick 1361 01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:58.400 and they took him, and he was he would have 1362 01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.519 been a main cog in the Jazz group at that 1363 01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:04.800 time and he simply said, I'm not I'm not moving 1364 01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:07.639 to the Salt Lake City. I don't want to come. 1365 01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:10.119 So you got to figure something out. And that's when 1366 01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:12.440 the jazz said, well, then we will figure out some 1367 01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:15.320 other thing. And they ended up making the trade that 1368 01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:19.159 brought them John Drew and and and and Freeman and 1369 01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:21.679 and some other stuff. But it was but that was 1370 01:06:21.719 --> 01:06:23.880 a big deal because you're you're talking about a talented 1371 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:26.760 guy who went on to obviously an All Star and 1372 01:06:26.760 --> 01:06:29.639 in the Hall of Fame career, and Dominique Wilkins and 1373 01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:31.519 and uh so those are the things you have to 1374 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:35.440 deal with if if somebody's gonna stand their ground. Now see, 1375 01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:38.199 domic Wilkins had a little bit of, uh, you know, 1376 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:40.800 leverage in that regard because he, even though it's not 1377 01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:43.679 as prevalent as it is today, he was standing on 1378 01:06:43.719 --> 01:06:47.280 the idea that hey, I'm not gonna come if if 1379 01:06:47.400 --> 01:06:49.079 if you're not gonna move, make a move for me. 1380 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:51.840 I'll just go play in Italy or I'll go play 1381 01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:57.119 in Spain. I'll make a living somehow doing that. Well 1382 01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:00.199 that's that's that, that was the information we had. But 1383 01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:02.480 but at the same time, but then you somebody like 1384 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:06.159 a Shador Sanders. We bring it back to there. Shador 1385 01:07:06.280 --> 01:07:09.320 Sanders doesn't have anywhere else to go. He's not going 1386 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.760 to play football in China or playing football in Europe 1387 01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:16.320 or whatever. So he wants to be a quarterback at 1388 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.159 the professional level. He's got one place to do it, 1389 01:07:19.159 --> 01:07:21.880 and that's the NFL. So that's what's intriguing to me 1390 01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:26.679 if some of the stories are accurate that they were 1391 01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:28.880 calling teams saying, don't draft me, because I don't know 1392 01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:32.440 why you would want to cut out anybody who may 1393 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.880 help you to get to where you want to be professionally. 1394 01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:38.960 That eighty four draft, De la Juan won, of course, 1395 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:43.400 Jordan famously. Three after Portland goes Bowie Barkley at five, 1396 01:07:43.519 --> 01:07:47.159 Charles Barkley at five, Alvin Robertson, Otis Thorp, Kevin Willis, 1397 01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:50.280 and John john Stock and Michael Cage too, a great rebounder. 1398 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:51.159 That was a great draft. 1399 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:54.400 YEP, before we catch break, one more draft question, and 1400 01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:56.079 I don't want to catch you off guard here, but 1401 01:07:57.400 --> 01:08:00.440 is there a memory of a player that you guys 1402 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:06.360 passed on, that slid passed you and past some other 1403 01:08:06.400 --> 01:08:08.679 teams that was drafted later on and you look back, 1404 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.239 and you say, oh, I think Tony. 1405 01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:12.199 Parker Ral Lopez. 1406 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.519 I mean, was there was there a player that comes 1407 01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:16.399 to mind that you guys wanted passed on went on 1408 01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:17.159 to play really well. 1409 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:19.399 I mean, you know, you big up a good one 1410 01:08:19.439 --> 01:08:22.279 with with Raoul Lopez and and Tony Parker. 1411 01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.479 Those are the two guys we were zoing and on 1412 01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:25.119 at the time. 1413 01:08:25.479 --> 01:08:30.359 And and uh, you know, Raoul had an unfortunate knee 1414 01:08:30.680 --> 01:08:33.800 injury right after we drafted him, uh, playing in the 1415 01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:36.720 world what's now known as the World Couple World Basketball 1416 01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:40.199 Championships and in Indianapolis, And he had never been hurt 1417 01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:42.199 up until then. In fact, he had been a real 1418 01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:46.880 durable young player and was really good. And the question 1419 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:50.319 at the time was we didn't know if Tony Parker 1420 01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:53.840 was really a true point guard or if he was 1421 01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:58.159 more of a combo guard that that maybe wouldn't be 1422 01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:01.079 what you what you wanted at the time. And of 1423 01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.880 course we're we're coming off at the end of of 1424 01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:06.279 one of the greatest point guards of all time with 1425 01:09:06.439 --> 01:09:09.159 John Stockton, so we're looking for a guy who we 1426 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:12.960 think fits that mold of a past, first, past, second guy, 1427 01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.880 and Raoul Lopez was was all of that, and we 1428 01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:19.560 had a lot of calls about Raoul right after the draft, 1429 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:21.840 about teams going, hey, you're gonna keep the Lopez kid 1430 01:09:22.039 --> 01:09:25.279 because we're interested if if you're gonna stash him or 1431 01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:27.920 do something else or whatever. And you know, so that 1432 01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:30.520 was one that that still hurts today because you know, 1433 01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.119 I think I think Raoul was all set up to be, 1434 01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:36.279 you know, a really top level point guard at the 1435 01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:39.720 NBA level and would have helped the Jazz a lot 1436 01:09:39.800 --> 01:09:41.319 in that transition period. 1437 01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:42.479 And and but. 1438 01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:46.079 Then again, if we have Raoul Lopez and he's healthy 1439 01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:48.720 and he's doing what he did early in his career 1440 01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:51.960 in in in Spain and in Europe, then we might 1441 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.720 not have had Darren Williams because we might have said, oh, 1442 01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:55.920 we got Raoul Lopez. 1443 01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:57.800 We don't we don't need to pick it on Derek. 1444 01:09:57.800 --> 01:09:57.960 You know. 1445 01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:01.359 So all the all those things that domino type effects 1446 01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:04.960 that are sometimes fascinating to look back and I go, oh, 1447 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:06.199 what if if this happened? 1448 01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:09.640 Then what about that? You know, the old sliding doors theory. 1449 01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:14.359 Sure, it's always so easy because every NBA front office 1450 01:10:14.439 --> 01:10:17.039 has a lot of misses, a lot of misses. It's 1451 01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:19.439 always so easy to say, oh, I think it was 1452 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.359 Alec Burks instead of Kawhi or Clay or something like that. 1453 01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:25.960 Like it's easy to do that, you know, you swing 1454 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:27.960 and miss, and then if you're going to be critical 1455 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:30.199 of that, you have to say, well, Donovan late lottery, 1456 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:32.880 go Bear late first. The crazy thing, Smitty, before you 1457 01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:35.399 catch a break, is the majority of the best players 1458 01:10:35.920 --> 01:10:40.560 that you guys drafted, they weren't your highest picks, right. 1459 01:10:40.720 --> 01:10:42.119 It was the. 1460 01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:44.039 Karl in the late lottery, and John and the later 1461 01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:47.079 first and Donovan late lottery and go Beart and Carolinko 1462 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:49.640 in the second round and mill Set right, like a 1463 01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:51.520 lot of the best players we've had here have been 1464 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:52.920 great value picks later on. 1465 01:10:53.119 --> 01:10:56.680 Yeah, well, it's it's all to do with your scouting 1466 01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:00.960 and the way you evaluate personnel. Andre A Lanco at 1467 01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:04.960 twenty five, but he was also the third. We had 1468 01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.880 three first round picks that year. Yeah, weirs, and we 1469 01:11:08.920 --> 01:11:11.319 were trying to get we were trying to move Scott 1470 01:11:11.399 --> 01:11:13.520 Laden was trying to move you know, at least one, 1471 01:11:13.560 --> 01:11:16.159 if not two, of those picks, and we couldn't move 1472 01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:20.079 them because other teams knew, you know that, well, they're 1473 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:22.319 not gonna take three first round guys, which we ended 1474 01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:24.520 up doing just because you know, well they were offering 1475 01:11:24.560 --> 01:11:27.239 us pennies on the dollar in trade scenarios. 1476 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:28.640 They said, well, am I gonna do that? We'll just 1477 01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:29.239 say so. 1478 01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:31.800 So it was actually Dave Friedman, you know in our 1479 01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:34.600 in our group, who you know, said, you know, propose 1480 01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:37.119 the idea of what if we take the carolinco kid 1481 01:11:37.199 --> 01:11:40.319 and we just leave him in uh in Russia because 1482 01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:42.800 he's under contract for another couple of years. And that really, 1483 01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:46.640 in my opinion, you know, started Alwa was part of 1484 01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:49.479 that wave of drafting guys who you knew were under 1485 01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:53.000 contract overseas and just leaving them there for a year 1486 01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:55.399 or two or three while their contracts ran out and 1487 01:11:55.479 --> 01:11:58.079 let them develop over there where you didn't have to 1488 01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:00.840 pay them and start that that clock on on on 1489 01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:04.760 a contract. But guys like Paul Millsap who's drafted forty six, 1490 01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:10.800 Well Williams has drafted forty six, uh, Jeff horniseac forty seven, 1491 01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:14.760 you know, Mono Jenobili fifty two, all these guys, you know, 1492 01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:19.159 guys that you you can find good players anywhere in 1493 01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:22.199 the draft. Uh, but you just have to you have 1494 01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:24.279 to do the homework. You have to you have to 1495 01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:27.800 dig into the soil and really get your hands dirty, 1496 01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.760 and then and then have the conviction of what you're seeing, uh, 1497 01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:34.039 that that you think makes sense for your group. And 1498 01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:37.720 so sometimes sometimes you get you get guys like that 1499 01:12:37.760 --> 01:12:40.680 who can play, and they're they're undervalued and uh and 1500 01:12:40.720 --> 01:12:42.279 you just have to say, well, we should have taken 1501 01:12:42.880 --> 01:12:45.000 him one of the with our first round pick instead 1502 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:46.000 of our second round pick. 1503 01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:48.920 The ninety nine draft wasn't great. Elton Brand was the 1504 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:51.479 number one overall pick. Steve Francis at two had a 1505 01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:53.199 good career, Baron Davis at three. 1506 01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:54.399 Lamar owed him at four. 1507 01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:57.439 You know, Gordy talks about how can equally talented Lamar 1508 01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:01.000 was coming out of college while he's Irbiak Hamilton, Sean 1509 01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:07.199 Marry and Andre Miller, Trajan Langdon Corry mcghetty, Frederick Weiss, 1510 01:13:07.319 --> 01:13:10.720 Ye New York Nick Fans root our test Ak at 1511 01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:13.199 twenty four was probably the best value pick of the 1512 01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:14.319 entire draft, to be honest with. 1513 01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:17.680 Yeah, and he and uh, even at that time, I 1514 01:13:17.680 --> 01:13:21.359 think most people would have most NBA people would have said, well, 1515 01:13:21.359 --> 01:13:24.039 he's one of the more talented guys in the draft. 1516 01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:28.039 But again, the teams that are drafting, usually especially Spence. 1517 01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:31.960 When you're drafting early, that usually means it's because you 1518 01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:34.239 haven't had a good season. Yeah, And if you haven't 1519 01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:36.880 had a good season, you're looking for some kind of 1520 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.760 immediate help. And Andre Andre was smart because it was 1521 01:13:40.800 --> 01:13:43.920 actually Andre and his agent both both thought hey, even 1522 01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:46.199 though he was nineteen at the time. He said, no, 1523 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:48.920 I want to uh and this is this is this 1524 01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:50.840 is very unique and interesting. 1525 01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:52.279 He had said to his agent. 1526 01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:55.720 His agent, well, you might not get drafted until later 1527 01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:58.319 in the first round if you stay in the draft, 1528 01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:00.960 but if you if you wait a year or two 1529 01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:04.760 and you develop and play more in Russia, then we 1530 01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:07.920 might get you higher and the draft. And Andre said 1531 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:11.319 to him, well, if I go now and I get 1532 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:14.159 drafted by a team later in the first round, that 1533 01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:18.079 means more than likely I'm being drafted to a better team, 1534 01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:21.439 and so I would rather have the opportunity to play 1535 01:14:21.439 --> 01:14:25.119 with a better team when I go to the NBA, 1536 01:14:25.199 --> 01:14:27.600 and I'm happy to play out my contract, which is 1537 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.399 another two years in Russia, which is what he did. 1538 01:14:30.479 --> 01:14:33.319 So the Jazz drafted him, left him in Moscow for 1539 01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:36.399 two more years, playing for Chesca and then when he 1540 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:39.560 was twenty one, he came over and he was ready 1541 01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:42.439 to go, you know, compete at the NBA level. But 1542 01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:44.439 a lot of guys, a lot of teams aren't going 1543 01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:47.720 to take Andre you know, at eight or ten or 1544 01:14:47.720 --> 01:14:50.039 twelve in that scenario because it's like, well he's not 1545 01:14:50.079 --> 01:14:52.359 coming for two years, right, Well, we need help now 1546 01:14:52.600 --> 01:14:55.159 because if we don't get help now, I'm out of 1547 01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:57.840 a job next year if we lose again, right, I 1548 01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.439 mean that's all yeah, that's all the the way the 1549 01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:03.800 thinking goes. So so that was kind of a unique 1550 01:15:03.800 --> 01:15:06.199 situation with Carolinko and the Jazz. 1551 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:09.760 All Right, it's made me some rough news and you 1552 01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:13.119 just feel so bad because so much hope. When the 1553 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:15.760 Milwaukee Bucks traded for Damian Lillard to pare him next 1554 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:18.479 to Giannis, and you know, I was watching it live 1555 01:15:18.640 --> 01:15:21.520 and when it was a non contact injury, as we 1556 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:24.279 were discussing off air, and when I saw the look 1557 01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:27.159 on Dame's face, I said, he knows that he just 1558 01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:29.720 just did something. And I hate to be the sports 1559 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:32.399 soccer radio guy that pretends he's a doctor, right, so 1560 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:35.479 I always wait until the actual diagnosis. MRI this morning 1561 01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:39.039 tour and left Achilles tendon and Dame turns thirty five 1562 01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:41.159 this offseason. I hate to say it might be it, 1563 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:43.560 but it might be it. So what do you make 1564 01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:44.039 of the news. 1565 01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:48.880 Well, that's such a tough injury for him, and because 1566 01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:53.079 we all know how hard Damian Lillard works to get 1567 01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:56.039 himself in the best shape possible and to be the 1568 01:15:56.199 --> 01:15:57.279 ultimate competitor. 1569 01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:58.560 He's always been that. 1570 01:15:58.560 --> 01:16:01.279 That's how he's gotten to this stage of his career, 1571 01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:06.359 Spencer being an All NBA Player, All Star, part of 1572 01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:09.279 the seventy fifth anniversary team. It's all out of his 1573 01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:13.399 hard work and determination. And then when you watch that 1574 01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.760 sequence and you see how how silly it was the 1575 01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:20.600 movie made to what happened to him, you just feel 1576 01:16:20.640 --> 01:16:21.279 for him. 1577 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:25.159 The issue going forward, not just for him in his career. 1578 01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:27.840 But also for the Milwaukee Bucks organization is if they 1579 01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:30.399 get end up, say they get knocked out in this 1580 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:33.199 this first round of the playoffs, you know they still 1581 01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:37.039 have Damian Lillard under contract for two more years at 1582 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:38.000 like in the. 1583 01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:38.880 Mid fifties, six. 1584 01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:44.079 Sixty, and then you got Giannis as well, who's making 1585 01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:47.000 a similar type money for the next three years, and 1586 01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:52.119 so you're you're really strapped as an organization without having, 1587 01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:54.479 you know, one of your best players on the court 1588 01:16:54.720 --> 01:16:57.399 and having to pay that kind of money. But it's 1589 01:16:57.399 --> 01:16:59.399 not just the money paying to him, it's the fact 1590 01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:03.600 that it keeps you from adding other guys to replace him. 1591 01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:07.039 And so so that really is is such a u 1592 01:17:07.520 --> 01:17:11.000 such a heartren during a thing for him individually and 1593 01:17:11.079 --> 01:17:14.840 also for their organization, because that's a that's a big, 1594 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:18.000 big pill to swallow right now, and in terms of 1595 01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:19.399 what they're trying to get done. 1596 01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:23.279 Let me ask you about where we stand with this 1597 01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.680 Lakers Timberwolves series. You know, I don't know if JJ 1598 01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:29.119 was trying to send a message to the front office, 1599 01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:31.840 like I have no depth on this team, but I 1600 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.319 found it an ear to be a very irresponsible coaching 1601 01:17:35.359 --> 01:17:38.000 move to play all five of those guys every minute 1602 01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:40.800 in the second half, because what we saw Smitdi is 1603 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:42.600 the Timberwolves are now three to one and on the 1604 01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:44.960 precipice of eliminating the Lakers. We'll see if they can 1605 01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:47.439 get back into it. But in the fourth quarter, Lebron 1606 01:17:47.479 --> 01:17:50.680 didn't score. In the fourth quarter, Luca's legs went Dorian 1607 01:17:50.720 --> 01:17:52.880 Finney Smith had an open dunk and he short armed 1608 01:17:52.920 --> 01:17:56.960 it because he was tired. Now look Jared Vanderbilt, who 1609 01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.479 we had here, gave Vincent Jordan, Jordan Goodwin. 1610 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:01.520 It's not a deep team. 1611 01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:05.239 I'm not saying that it is, but a Minnesota's got depth, 1612 01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:08.640 and I think that depth ultimately proved to be the 1613 01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:09.439 nail on the coffin. 1614 01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:10.319 An ant was great. 1615 01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:12.199 But what do you make of the way JJ elected 1616 01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:15.600 to go about that coaching decision to play all of 1617 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:18.159 those five guys every minute in the second half. 1618 01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:20.119 Yeah, you know, you know what that is for me, Spence, 1619 01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:23.880 that that is a rookie coach who hasn't coached before 1620 01:18:24.119 --> 01:18:28.960 at all, even as an assistant coach, comes in. You know, Okay, 1621 01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:31.399 he played in the league. Okay, he's a smart guy. 1622 01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:35.520 Okay he knows his team. All those things are are true. 1623 01:18:36.159 --> 01:18:38.159 But when you get in the heat of the moment 1624 01:18:38.520 --> 01:18:41.039 and you're in a you're down two to one, you're 1625 01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:44.920 on the road, you're competing, you're in the game, you've 1626 01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:47.680 got a lead, you you lose the lead, you come back, 1627 01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:50.640 grab the lead, back and forth game, one of those 1628 01:18:50.720 --> 01:18:54.399 pivotal games in a series. You know that that is 1629 01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:57.319 a that is a to me, it is a rookie 1630 01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:02.520 move where the guy where he was not comfortable subbing 1631 01:19:02.560 --> 01:19:04.960 out the guys who were on the floor, who were 1632 01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:08.000 keeping the team in the game for fear that the 1633 01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:11.680 game is gonna quickly slip away in some ten to 1634 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:14.079 two run by the other team. And so I just 1635 01:19:14.119 --> 01:19:16.479 got to keep my guys out there, and I got 1636 01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:19.880 to try and use my timeouts where I can to 1637 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:22.880 get them blows. But that's you know, that to me, 1638 01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:27.760 is is someone who's not used to making those decisions 1639 01:19:28.159 --> 01:19:31.600 and they're they're not really comfortable with the guys they've got, which, 1640 01:19:31.600 --> 01:19:35.600 by the way, is probably true. He's probably right in 1641 01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:37.920 the fact that I don't know if I can count 1642 01:19:37.960 --> 01:19:40.159 on the guys who I would put in to be 1643 01:19:40.159 --> 01:19:42.920 able to hold this in on the road in such 1644 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:46.359 a pivotal game against a tough team that's got all 1645 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:49.560 their their weapons out there. And so that's that's a 1646 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:52.560 tough deal for him. And look, it came down to 1647 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:55.800 a player too, right, So none of nobody would be 1648 01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:59.680 talking about this if Lebron makes a three, if Luca 1649 01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:02.800 makes some game saving play at the end, and they go, 1650 01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:05.319 how great was that that those guys pulled it out 1651 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:07.680 And now they're back in the series, going home and 1652 01:20:07.720 --> 01:20:10.279 all those those kind of things. So so that's one 1653 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:12.680 of those things you make your roll with what your 1654 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:15.079 gut tells you, and his gut told them, I think 1655 01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:17.680 we can get to the finish line with our guys 1656 01:20:17.720 --> 01:20:20.279 playing the way they are, and and it just didn't 1657 01:20:20.319 --> 01:20:22.680 work out, and the other the other guy, you know, 1658 01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:25.319 in the horse race, beat you by a nose at 1659 01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:26.520 the at the finish line. 1660 01:20:26.920 --> 01:20:28.840 Teams that are up three to one win ninety percent 1661 01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:30.880 of the time in pro basketball. 1662 01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:33.000 So it's it's a tough ask. 1663 01:20:33.039 --> 01:20:34.720 I suppose if there's a team that can do it, 1664 01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:37.079 it's a team that has Lebron James and Luka Doncis 1665 01:20:37.119 --> 01:20:39.800 for three to one Minnesota. Do you think it's You 1666 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:41.119 think it's Curtains, You think that cup? 1667 01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:45.039 No, No, because look, Lebron's been here before. In fact, 1668 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:48.199 he's been here, you know, on on the the in 1669 01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:51.119 a different circumstance where he was down three to one 1670 01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:53.520 and had to go on the road for Game five 1671 01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:56.960 and one Game five, went home in won Game six, 1672 01:20:57.279 --> 01:21:00.039 came back in one Game seven on the road, and 1673 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:02.560 the famous Kyrie irving a three pointer at the end 1674 01:21:02.560 --> 01:21:05.920 of Game seven to win the championship for the Cleveland Cavaliers. 1675 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:07.560 So so anytime. 1676 01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:11.760 Yeah, And I've always said this, Spence, I'm a big 1677 01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:14.359 Lebron James fan. You can say whatever you want about 1678 01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:17.319 how he, you know, manipulates things and how he's got 1679 01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:21.239 He's put himself in a position where if he's healthy 1680 01:21:22.119 --> 01:21:25.000 and now, if Doncic is healthy, and if they can 1681 01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:28.560 play the way they played yesterday and they can get 1682 01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:31.720 any kind of help, then I don't put it past 1683 01:21:31.800 --> 01:21:33.439 them to be able to do it. Because they're playing 1684 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:36.000 game five at home, right then they just have to 1685 01:21:36.039 --> 01:21:39.119 go back and scrap out a game six somehow, and 1686 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:40.560 you never know how how that's gonna go. 1687 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:40.880 Right. 1688 01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:44.600 Each each game is really its own series. If you 1689 01:21:44.640 --> 01:21:47.680 look at games, you know, an individual game chopped into 1690 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:51.239 quarters or even chopped into segments from time out to 1691 01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:54.039 time out, if you can get in a flow. And 1692 01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:57.279 you know, they get into game six in Minnesota and 1693 01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:01.039 Anthony Edwards picks up early foul trouble, and and you 1694 01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:03.920 know Rudy Gobert, you know, you know, tweaks his ankle 1695 01:22:04.039 --> 01:22:04.359 or something. 1696 01:22:04.399 --> 01:22:06.760 You know, blah blah blah. Anything can happen. 1697 01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:10.239 So I don't anything any team that has James and 1698 01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:14.079 Doncic healthy and playing the way that capable of play. 1699 01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:16.479 And I don't put anything, but I never bet against 1700 01:22:16.479 --> 01:22:17.279 those guys. 1701 01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:18.159 Before we get to tonight. 1702 01:22:18.239 --> 01:22:19.560 And then I'll set you loose because I know you 1703 01:22:19.560 --> 01:22:21.319 got to hit the road so you can go down 1704 01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:24.479 to the golf tournament. And those those of us that 1705 01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:27.079 are humble, working men of the people will continue to 1706 01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:28.039 be in day to day. 1707 01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:30.399 But you do your thing. I don't know that I've 1708 01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:30.960 ever asked you. 1709 01:22:31.000 --> 01:22:35.439 There was always this narrative, sojj jj Reddick and most 1710 01:22:35.479 --> 01:22:39.239 teams that play against a Rudy Gobert led team like 1711 01:22:39.319 --> 01:22:43.039 to go small, and you know, they're trying to isolate 1712 01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:45.800 Luca on Rudy every time they can, and they're trying 1713 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:47.199 to make Rudy guard on the perimeter. 1714 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:49.800 And we saw that happen here with Quinn. 1715 01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:53.640 And you know that Clippers series where Terrence Man has 1716 01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:56.119 a career night, Maxi Kleba hits a bunch of threes 1717 01:22:56.159 --> 01:23:00.680 for Dallas. And there's always been this debate about what's 1718 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:03.399 fair to say of you know, when it comes to 1719 01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:05.960 the criticisms of Rudy in a playoff series, when a 1720 01:23:06.039 --> 01:23:08.640 team goes small, does the coach have to sit him. 1721 01:23:08.680 --> 01:23:11.000 Now, Minnesota ask now is Reed who's been awesome? 1722 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:14.159 And I think at times Quinn just elected to be 1723 01:23:14.199 --> 01:23:16.680 stubborn and play Rudy no matter what, no matter what 1724 01:23:16.720 --> 01:23:18.399 the other team was gonna do, because Rudy was so 1725 01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:21.680 important to what you guys did defensively, what's fair to 1726 01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:25.479 say in that conversation, the space of this team goes small? 1727 01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:26.560 What do we do with Gobert? 1728 01:23:26.640 --> 01:23:30.600 Yeah, well, I'm probably the wrong guy to ask that 1729 01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:32.800 question to you because I'm in the I'm in the 1730 01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:36.439 Rudy Gobert camp. As far as how he affects the game, 1731 01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:39.600 what he brings to Yeah, you want to you want 1732 01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:42.439 to isolate him out on a wing against a guy 1733 01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:45.239 He's gonna get beat. You know, it doesn't matter who 1734 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:48.039 the ball handler is. That's not the way to play it. 1735 01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:51.960 You know, taking him out late in games, you take 1736 01:23:52.000 --> 01:23:54.159 away a lot of stuff that he does. You know 1737 01:23:54.239 --> 01:23:56.319 that isn't in the so called public eye or the 1738 01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:59.199 glare of the spotlight at that moment, like when you 1739 01:23:59.279 --> 01:24:02.239 do a switch and he gets isolated out. Okay, that's 1740 01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:04.159 that's not That's not the way to play it. That's 1741 01:24:04.159 --> 01:24:06.960 not the way if you're smart to do it if 1742 01:24:06.960 --> 01:24:10.840 your team. But okay, teams have done it. But you know, 1743 01:24:10.920 --> 01:24:14.720 he's too valuable player to me to take off the 1744 01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:17.560 floor because he does a lot of other things, not 1745 01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:20.800 not just within the scheme of the thing of what's 1746 01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:22.880 going on at the moment, but just in terms of 1747 01:24:22.880 --> 01:24:25.359 his approach and attitude and what he wants to do 1748 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:28.600 for the group. He's not out there, you know, being 1749 01:24:28.640 --> 01:24:31.560 Anthony Edwards trying to say, hey, everybody, look at me. 1750 01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:34.560 Watch me put it between my legs ten times and 1751 01:24:34.600 --> 01:24:37.319 spin and do this and make some you know, wild 1752 01:24:37.399 --> 01:24:39.760 fall away you know, you know, jump shot or something, 1753 01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:42.439 you know, some hero play. He's out there to try 1754 01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:45.239 and help you as a group, to try and have 1755 01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:48.279 success and win the game in whatever way he can. 1756 01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:52.199 So you know, I'm I'm the wrong guy because you 1757 01:24:52.239 --> 01:24:55.760 know those things. I think it amplified, especially a playoff time. 1758 01:24:56.199 --> 01:24:59.560 There's a reason you won you know, sixty plus games 1759 01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:03.159 during season with him in the starting lineup and him 1760 01:25:03.199 --> 01:25:05.720 doing stuff and okay, you get in a playoff series, 1761 01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:09.640 there's other adjustments you can make that that that don't 1762 01:25:09.640 --> 01:25:12.640 put him in that kind of a space that that 1763 01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:17.560 that's that's not advantageous for him and therefore not advantageous 1764 01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:20.920 for your group. And that's up to coaches in terms 1765 01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:23.520 of how they game plan that and how they adjust 1766 01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:23.800 to that. 1767 01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:26.119 All right, final thing, let's get a thought on tonight. 1768 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:29.680 We'll leave calvs. Heat to the side, because well, you know, 1769 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:33.840 it's three to zero. But Golden State Houston, Jimmy Butler 1770 01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:37.239 went through shoot around this morning. He is officially a 1771 01:25:37.239 --> 01:25:41.399 game time decision. Steph had a classic Steph game to 1772 01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:43.600 get them Game three. It's still so fun to watch 1773 01:25:43.640 --> 01:25:46.199 Steph when he's doing stuph things, even at this age. 1774 01:25:46.920 --> 01:25:48.079 Houston a fun story. 1775 01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:51.640 And I actually thought, because of their athleticism, their strength, 1776 01:25:51.640 --> 01:25:53.960 and their length on the perimeter, that Golden State was 1777 01:25:54.000 --> 01:25:54.760 gonna have an issue. 1778 01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:56.239 Now they still might. It's only two one. 1779 01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:58.199 But before I set you loose so you can get 1780 01:25:58.199 --> 01:26:00.000 down to Saint George, what are your thoughts on this series? 1781 01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:00.159 Is? 1782 01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:01.199 What do you think happens tonight? 1783 01:26:01.560 --> 01:26:01.760 Yeah? 1784 01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:05.640 I think that Golden State will play play the same way. 1785 01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:07.479 You know, I don't know if I don't know what 1786 01:26:07.560 --> 01:26:11.199 Butler's situation is health wise, Obviously they're better off with 1787 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:15.239 him on the floor than without him. If he doesn't play, 1788 01:26:15.279 --> 01:26:18.239 then that just means Curry has to have another type 1789 01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:21.880 of game, which he's capable of doing at home, especially, 1790 01:26:22.319 --> 01:26:24.840 you know, to be able to to keep them in 1791 01:26:24.880 --> 01:26:28.479 the lead in that series. But you know, Houston's a young, scrappy, 1792 01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:32.880 tough nosed, hard nosed defensive team, and so you're gonna 1793 01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:35.239 see them getting added because obviously. 1794 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:36.039 They don't they don't want it. 1795 01:26:36.039 --> 01:26:39.239 They're gonna have the specter of falling behind three games 1796 01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:41.680 to one. If they can't figure out a way to 1797 01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:44.760 win the games. You're gonna see them scrapping and clawing. 1798 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:47.279 And and maybe that means that Steph Curry spends a 1799 01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:49.399 lot of time on the free throw line, which would 1800 01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:53.039 be advantageous for Golden State because because he's almost automatic there. 1801 01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:55.039 But but I expect it to be a tough game, 1802 01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:57.800 another tough game, and I expected to, you know, come 1803 01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.600 down the last two minutes and and who may to play, 1804 01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:05.239 who misses a shot, who steps in and takes a charge, 1805 01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.000 you know, whatever it is. Let's just hope we don't 1806 01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:10.720 have an ending like we had in the Detroit Nicks 1807 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:11.560 game yesterday. 1808 01:27:12.199 --> 01:27:14.319 Yeah, foul, wasn't it? 1809 01:27:14.720 --> 01:27:14.920 It was? 1810 01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:17.680 It was a foul, But the NBA is wrong in 1811 01:27:17.960 --> 01:27:20.880 not having an ability to be able to look at 1812 01:27:20.920 --> 01:27:22.920 something like that at the end of the game, that rule. 1813 01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:25.720 I'm sure they'll discuss it this some of There's got 1814 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:30.079 to be some way of dealing with the situation like that, 1815 01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:33.479 especially when it when it's such the stakes, the way 1816 01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:36.800 they are right at that moment, and you're saying, well, 1817 01:27:36.960 --> 01:27:39.760 the whistle wasn't blown, there wasn't a call made, so 1818 01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:43.399 therefore we have nothing to review and we have nothing 1819 01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:46.399 to discuss that that that just isn't right. 1820 01:27:47.119 --> 01:27:48.560 Something something's got to change in that. 1821 01:27:49.039 --> 01:27:51.039 But I'm just glad that the next one there you go. 1822 01:27:51.119 --> 01:27:54.039 I know, I know you and your boy Tony Jones, 1823 01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:58.600 I know you're you're all behind well, Porter some kind 1824 01:27:58.600 --> 01:27:58.920 of you. 1825 01:27:58.840 --> 01:28:00.680 Know it's Porter from Oakley. 1826 01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:08.800 In God's Country, because would you like to order yourself young? 1827 01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:12.840 He has People have fair points when they bring up 1828 01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:16.119 my the randomness of my my sports agency. 1829 01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:17.199 It's not just random. 1830 01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:20.279 You also made horrible choices, like you were a free agent. 1831 01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:22.159 You went Mets, Nicks and Cowboys. 1832 01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:25.159 I know it's a lot of losing lately. 1833 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.079 See he's a bandwagon guy. 1834 01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:31.000 I could tell no, no, he's He's say he should 1835 01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:32.840 be more of a bit like it's just a broken 1836 01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:37.039 bandwagon Mets Cowboys, Knicks. I mean that is decades of 1837 01:28:37.119 --> 01:28:40.159 just suffering. Yeah, all right, my friend, I know you 1838 01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:42.560 got to get going. Have have a good time down there. 1839 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:44.840 Send some pics, enjoy, It's gonna be fun. 1840 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:47.560 It'd be great. Have a good time. Yeah, we'll miss you. 1841 01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:49.920 Everybody will see you next. We all right, we'll catch 1842 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:52.199 a quick point. Quite excuse me, we will catch a 1843 01:28:52.279 --> 01:28:54.119 quick break. More coming up on the other side. Don't 1844 01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:58.760 go anywhere. The Monday after the NFL Draft is completed. 1845 01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:01.039 I always give poor to the same marching orders. I 1846 01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:04.600 want a grinder of tape on the show. I want 1847 01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:07.960 somebody who settles in. He puts in the work, he 1848 01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:11.920 reviews film, and he comes away with some hot Monday takes. 1849 01:29:12.359 --> 01:29:15.199 So we're bringing in JP today, John Paul Chonga the 1850 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:19.079 Monday after the NFL Draft. Is it depression that it's over? 1851 01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:21.479 Is it gratitude that it happened? How does that land 1852 01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:21.680 with you? 1853 01:29:22.560 --> 01:29:24.520 I'm just glad I was there to watch it all, 1854 01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:31.319 all of the rounds, sitting down imagining the fits, imagining 1855 01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:35.359 the way these players will be in the schemes. It's 1856 01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:40.199 it's revelatory to watch the draft and I'm glad to 1857 01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:41.359 be on the program today. 1858 01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:44.720 What is your favorite fit of player in scheme? 1859 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:46.119 Oh? 1860 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:50.760 I mean, come on, where can I get started? Jalen 1861 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:55.600 Royles with Patrick Mahomes. Wow, I love the fit. That's 1862 01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:59.359 a good match of player and scheme. Caleb Loner getting 1863 01:29:59.439 --> 01:30:03.600 draft hoot? How about the basket college basketball guys that 1864 01:30:03.720 --> 01:30:07.960 end up being NFL stars? You know, people forget Donovan McNabb, 1865 01:30:08.600 --> 01:30:12.720 former Syracuse walk on the basketball team. He played pretty 1866 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:13.640 well as a quarterback. 1867 01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:16.520 He did, he did. That's that's good knowledge. 1868 01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:20.279 How much NBA draft tape are you currently grinding right now? 1869 01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:24.960 So I had to take off obviously the last four 1870 01:30:25.039 --> 01:30:29.520 days because NFL Draft consumed me. That's that much is clear, 1871 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:33.880 but plenty. I absolutely love this time of year when 1872 01:30:33.880 --> 01:30:36.680 it comes to the NBA Draft. You're just watching all 1873 01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:40.760 these players. You know you do the same thing? Is 1874 01:30:40.800 --> 01:30:44.760 the other thing? You you've been watching college basketball in 1875 01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:47.880 the entire year and looking and projecting how these guys 1876 01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:49.439 will fit on NBA teams. 1877 01:30:49.960 --> 01:30:52.439 Oh of course, I mean that's why we're kindred spirits, 1878 01:30:52.520 --> 01:30:56.359 knower of ball, knowers of hoop and grinders of tape 1879 01:30:57.640 --> 01:31:00.640 Jazz postseason media availability. Of course I was there on 1880 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:04.199 time and stayed late, because that's how it is when 1881 01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:08.039 you grind day to day. One thing really stood out. 1882 01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:11.399 A couple of things stood out, but Will. When Will 1883 01:31:11.439 --> 01:31:16.159 Hardy was asked about Isaiah Collier, Keante George and Bryce Sensibah, 1884 01:31:16.880 --> 01:31:19.600 he said some various things about all of them, but 1885 01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:22.520 the one common thread was their conditioning. John Paul, that 1886 01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:26.239 stood out to me. It wasn't anything I was expecting. 1887 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:29.359 So what did that say to you about what this 1888 01:31:29.680 --> 01:31:32.680 very important offseason is. My good friend Jay Z pointed 1889 01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:36.680 out during his postseason media availability, how important is this 1890 01:31:36.720 --> 01:31:38.640 offseason for these youngsters for the Jazz? 1891 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:39.880 What's big? 1892 01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:44.560 I think you look at Taylor Hendricks, who is hopefully 1893 01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:46.680 going to have a good year up until you know, 1894 01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:49.439 game three of the regular season, how much he transformed 1895 01:31:49.479 --> 01:31:53.000 his body, how he really went into the summer and 1896 01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:57.680 accepted challenges. You could even look at Walker Kessler in 1897 01:31:57.680 --> 01:31:59.199 the big year that he had in the year three 1898 01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:03.560 in playing in Summer League and taking feedback from Will 1899 01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:07.680 and the entire coaching staff and realizing he has to 1900 01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:11.479 get to a level where the peaking is coming around now, 1901 01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.279 because this is when the playoffs happens. This is when 1902 01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:19.479 in a second half you might play the entire final 1903 01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:22.520 twenty four minutes of a game and not get subbed out. 1904 01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:26.359 You have to be in the best condition of your life. 1905 01:32:26.359 --> 01:32:29.600 And for those players who were first year guys who 1906 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:35.600 probably hit the rookie wall in January, he still realized, oh, 1907 01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:38.960 there's a couple more months left. And I even think 1908 01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:43.359 about how Cody Williams was playing two schedules in the 1909 01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:46.600 G League form as well, like he had to adjust 1910 01:32:47.159 --> 01:32:50.479 to being available not only for the NBA team but 1911 01:32:50.640 --> 01:32:55.520 for the G League squad. And there's no reason that 1912 01:32:56.560 --> 01:33:00.000 these guys next year should be surprised by the ridge 1913 01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:03.079 of an NBA schedule because of how long eighty two 1914 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:07.399 games is. And if you're going to be on one 1915 01:33:07.439 --> 01:33:09.960 of those good teams with those APEX predits, with the 1916 01:33:10.039 --> 01:33:12.479 top players in the entire league, you're going to be 1917 01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:15.880 playing even more than ay two games. And hopefully for 1918 01:33:15.960 --> 01:33:19.439 many of these players, you're on national teams like Larry 1919 01:33:19.520 --> 01:33:23.199 market is with EuroBasket, so you're adding even more wear 1920 01:33:23.239 --> 01:33:26.199 and tear on the body. So as they focus and 1921 01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:29.600 look forward, to their future NBA careers. They've got to 1922 01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:33.199 definitely be cognizant of realizing that they've got to be 1923 01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:34.920 in the absolute best shape. 1924 01:33:34.680 --> 01:33:35.319 Of their life. 1925 01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:36.439 Tell me what you know. 1926 01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:41.520 The complicated part when it comes to analyzing the team 1927 01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:44.600 that isn't winning at a high level and is developing 1928 01:33:44.680 --> 01:33:47.439 young players and is giving high usage to young players 1929 01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:51.600 is figuring out what is real about some of the 1930 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:54.560 good numbers that the young players put up and will 1931 01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:56.800 these players be able to put up similar numbers for 1932 01:33:56.840 --> 01:33:57.279 a team that. 1933 01:33:57.319 --> 01:33:57.960 Is trying to win. 1934 01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:01.279 You know, Kyle phil Powski down the stretch, I mean 1935 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:04.439 that game against Portland he had like thirty eighteen and five. 1936 01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:07.159 I mean, some of these guys put up some pretty 1937 01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:10.399 audacious stat lines, but in losing endeavors for a team 1938 01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:13.279 that wasn't winning a high level. And you can talk 1939 01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:15.680 about whichever young player. You can go Kiante, you can 1940 01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:17.920 go Bryce, you can go Walker, you can go Philipowski. 1941 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:19.399 I call him Flip. It's not a big deal. 1942 01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:23.119 You can go Isaiah, like of the young players that 1943 01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:25.079 had games where you look at the box score and 1944 01:34:25.119 --> 01:34:28.079 you go, wow, he did what what sort of skill 1945 01:34:28.159 --> 01:34:32.479 set or production do you believe can be translatable when 1946 01:34:32.520 --> 01:34:34.199 the team is winning again at a high level. 1947 01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:36.880 I look at Zay because, as you know, I call 1948 01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:39.920 Isadiyah Collier's day. I like it, and I think about 1949 01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:43.560 the passing that can definitely translate to when this team 1950 01:34:44.039 --> 01:34:46.800 is ready to contend and ready to win at a 1951 01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:50.319 serious clip. But being able to run an offense knowing 1952 01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:54.960 exactly where everybody on the floor needs to be, and 1953 01:34:56.000 --> 01:34:58.640 as the point guard, as the league guard, as whatever 1954 01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:01.720 kind of guard you want to call him, he has 1955 01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:04.840 to make sure that he has all the chess pieces 1956 01:35:04.880 --> 01:35:08.760 in the right place. Defensively, I look at Walker Kessler. 1957 01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:13.279 I was courtside in Memphis, and these seats are right 1958 01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:16.199 next to the to the court. You can hear exactly 1959 01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:20.800 what everybody is talking about. And when joh doesn't have 1960 01:35:21.479 --> 01:35:24.680 a defense figured out, I'm able to hear Walker Kessler 1961 01:35:24.760 --> 01:35:30.359 calling out every single Memphis set. His communication, his style 1962 01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:34.199 of knowing where everything goes defensively is something that you 1963 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:39.960 want to see Isaiah translate offensively and for him, I 1964 01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:44.319 mean it's clear that they're pretty invested in making him 1965 01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:47.920 the best he can become at that position, because it 1966 01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:52.680 when you're tasked is leading a club in a league 1967 01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:55.600 with so many elite guards, you're going to go through 1968 01:35:55.720 --> 01:36:00.800 so many growing pains, and that's tight of the factor 1969 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:04.039 on whether you're going to win in the league. Remember 1970 01:36:04.359 --> 01:36:06.840 a couple of years ago they had Mike Conley and 1971 01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:10.399 they go off to the ten and two start. There's 1972 01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:13.520 a difference between veteran leadership at the guard position and 1973 01:36:13.840 --> 01:36:18.000 young guys trying to figure it out. And Isaiah Collier 1974 01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:20.840 certainly has a long way to go, but learning from 1975 01:36:20.880 --> 01:36:24.720 a Walker tester what he communicates defensively that need to 1976 01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:27.800 translate for Isaiah Callier offensively for them. 1977 01:36:28.640 --> 01:36:31.560 Got to ask you about Cody who is still very young, 1978 01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:35.159 and you know we had Smittian studio. It's a really 1979 01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:41.039 interesting dynamic with Jazz basketball historically speaking, where the majority 1980 01:36:41.039 --> 01:36:42.920 of the better players we've had here, I say we 1981 01:36:43.039 --> 01:36:43.760 it's not a big deal. 1982 01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:44.560 A family on. 1983 01:36:44.560 --> 01:36:48.079 Three have either been mid first round picks, late first 1984 01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:50.319 round picks, some of the second round, and a lot 1985 01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:52.960 of the early picks that the Jazz have made, some hit, 1986 01:36:53.039 --> 01:36:56.960 some didn't. That's part of analyzing NBA basketball. But I 1987 01:36:57.399 --> 01:36:59.720 think it's fair to say that if you're going to 1988 01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:02.680 be a pick, you just want to show more than 1989 01:37:02.680 --> 01:37:05.520 what he showed. And I'm not ready to annoint or dismiss, 1990 01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:08.560 nor should anybody else be. But what's the hope over 1991 01:37:08.560 --> 01:37:10.920 there on the organization of what this offseason brings us 1992 01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:12.119 off For Cody. 1993 01:37:13.560 --> 01:37:16.560 It is that transformation of the body. Everybody knew that 1994 01:37:16.600 --> 01:37:19.359 he had to transform his body from just being a 1995 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:22.119 nineteen year old in the NBA. He was always going 1996 01:37:22.159 --> 01:37:26.880 to be a long term investment because at his position 1997 01:37:26.880 --> 01:37:29.800 where he's drafted, you can look at the projection of 1998 01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:33.920 starter NBA skill what they are at each pick slot. 1999 01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:37.840 That's why they wanted to put themselves in every position 2000 01:37:37.920 --> 01:37:42.479 to get into the high draft. But Cody Williams is 2001 01:37:42.560 --> 01:37:47.479 so early on in his development journey. I had to 2002 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:51.520 look this up earlier on this year about how many 2003 01:37:51.560 --> 01:37:54.479 minutes that he played in college, and it was around 2004 01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:58.600 the six hundred range, and in the NBA he got 2005 01:37:58.600 --> 01:38:03.079 a thousand minutes. We're talking about somebody who at high 2006 01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:06.520 level basketball has played sixteen hundred minutes. I don't know 2007 01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:11.720 if you can make broad brushes in future tails on 2008 01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:17.159 his future career early on in the development part, because 2009 01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:20.079 you even look at the fact that he comes from 2010 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:25.039 NBA stock with his brother and Jalen came out very 2011 01:38:25.159 --> 01:38:29.479 much seasoned at the college level, having gone to Santa 2012 01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:32.439 Clair for a couple of years, so very different spots 2013 01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:36.680 for them. But knowing that he has an NBA player 2014 01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:39.399 on a pretty good team, he knows exactly what it 2015 01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:43.479 takes to get to the level where he needs to 2016 01:38:43.560 --> 01:38:47.479 be to start contributing to an NBA roster. But it's 2017 01:38:47.520 --> 01:38:51.000 definitely early and he has a huge way to go 2018 01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:54.760 before he's probably satisfied with the way his NBA career 2019 01:38:54.840 --> 01:38:55.079 is going. 2020 01:38:55.279 --> 01:38:56.560 Tell me what you're hearing about Taylor. 2021 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:59.520 You brought out Taylor earlier, and as you know, Bullish 2022 01:38:59.520 --> 01:39:06.199 over here remain hasn't changed his health, his conditioning, his mentals. 2023 01:39:06.239 --> 01:39:09.079 I mean, I can't imagine what That's a lonely thing, man. 2024 01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:12.920 You know, I'm not the radio host that is analogous 2025 01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:15.880 with injuries that regular Joe's haveing players. But I've had 2026 01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:17.920 a broken leg, as you know, I had knee surgery 2027 01:39:18.000 --> 01:39:21.920 last year. It's a lonely thing when you're recovering and 2028 01:39:21.960 --> 01:39:24.039 you're not mobile and you've got to deal with what 2029 01:39:24.079 --> 01:39:27.600 it's like being isolated. But what's the buzz around around 2030 01:39:27.640 --> 01:39:30.079 the organization with Taylor, how's he doing and what do 2031 01:39:30.119 --> 01:39:31.079 we expect in the summer. 2032 01:39:31.720 --> 01:39:33.720 Yeah, it was good for Taylor to be around the 2033 01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:38.439 team for as much as he could be because it 2034 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:41.760 can be very lonely. But he was still in the facility, 2035 01:39:42.319 --> 01:39:46.600 being around the guys, showing up to every single practice, 2036 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:51.439 watching the games, making sure that he was being available there, 2037 01:39:51.479 --> 01:39:54.079 but even going on the road and seeing what it 2038 01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:57.880 takes alongside the season because it's still early on in 2039 01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:03.640 his NBA future. He was only a couple years removed 2040 01:40:03.640 --> 01:40:08.079 from being at UCF where I don't know if that's 2041 01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:13.840 necessarily an NBA factory, but he had to have really 2042 01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:17.560 widened his eyes once he got to the NBA and 2043 01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:21.000 he's playing against Kevin Durant in his very first game. 2044 01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:23.520 The good thing was that he was able to make 2045 01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:26.800 those road trips. He's getting up shots. 2046 01:40:26.840 --> 01:40:28.039 Now now it's. 2047 01:40:28.199 --> 01:40:32.159 Adding those big movements and making sure that he's going 2048 01:40:32.199 --> 01:40:35.239 to be able to get to contact. The idea is 2049 01:40:35.279 --> 01:40:39.239 still for him to be available after Summer League, But 2050 01:40:40.359 --> 01:40:43.680 as far as the connectivity of staying with the team 2051 01:40:43.720 --> 01:40:45.840 and still feeling like he's a part of it, I 2052 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:50.079 think that the staff and he himself he's done a 2053 01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:53.720 really good job at being very open. And heck even 2054 01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:55.560 saw him in that dumb hat that he was wearing 2055 01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:59.199 on the bench towards the end of the season that 2056 01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:01.640 I think we can all agree he looked like Bobby. 2057 01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:06.239 BACALAA nice No, you're not wrong, You're not wrong. 2058 01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:08.479 I just it's very rare to hear you knock on 2059 01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:11.119 somebody for taking a fashion risk because you were very 2060 01:41:11.119 --> 01:41:12.039 fashion conscious. 2061 01:41:12.119 --> 01:41:12.319 JP. 2062 01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:15.000 Let's be clear, I am very oh. 2063 01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:18.119 No, fashion conscious. But he didn't even get the reference 2064 01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:21.479 when I said Bobby Bacala, like, he's not watching the Sopranos, 2065 01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:23.479 He's just wearing a hat because he thought it was 2066 01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:24.880 something that was cool to wear. 2067 01:41:25.640 --> 01:41:28.199 Oh, I'm stunned that he didn't get your Bobby reference. 2068 01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:29.680 That's that's shocking. 2069 01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:33.319 Don't appreciate the soprano. 2070 01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:35.239 No, they don't, and they should rewatch it if you've 2071 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:37.079 already watched it. If you haven't watched it, you should. 2072 01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:39.239 You should run to watch it as soon as you can. 2073 01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:42.239 So you brought up the ten and two start with 2074 01:41:42.279 --> 01:41:44.239 team forty nine, that's what I called him. But whatever, 2075 01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:46.880 A little inside and I want to get into a 2076 01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:50.520 conversation with market In for a second, because that team, uh, 2077 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:53.479 you know, you reference Mike Conley. They also had Chris Dunn, 2078 01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:55.680 who's starting for the Clippers in the playoffs. They had 2079 01:41:56.479 --> 01:41:58.039 Kelly Olnok I call him the clinic. 2080 01:41:58.199 --> 01:42:01.520 No big deal. There were veteran pieces. 2081 01:42:01.119 --> 01:42:05.199 I mean your guy Thht, you know, like, there were 2082 01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:06.640 veteran pieces on that team that. 2083 01:42:06.680 --> 01:42:07.760 Knew how to play basketball. 2084 01:42:07.800 --> 01:42:09.600 And I always bring it up because market in that 2085 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:13.720 year obviously All Star here in Utah, he was twenty 2086 01:42:13.720 --> 01:42:16.640 five point six points. He was basically nine boards. He 2087 01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:20.159 was close to fifty forty ninety. And I don't know 2088 01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:24.800 really what's fair to say about anything critical of Lowry, 2089 01:42:24.880 --> 01:42:27.119 even though the numbers have dropped since then, because he 2090 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:30.239 is a veteran playing with children. And I think it 2091 01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:33.199 was the Laker game when the Jazz beat the Lakers 2092 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:36.600 here in saw Lake and Lowry had thirty two. He 2093 01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:38.920 was six of ten from three, and it was like, oh, yes, 2094 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:42.279 that's right. He is still awesome on the scale of 2095 01:42:42.680 --> 01:42:46.479 marketing team forty nine All Star and marketing playing with kids. 2096 01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:50.439 Numbers completely fallen over the past couple of years. 2097 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:52.800 Where do you land on who he is? 2098 01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:58.640 Yeah, I think there's definitely nuance in Lowry's game because 2099 01:42:58.640 --> 01:43:00.439 he's so dependent. 2100 01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:03.720 On what's going around him, the. 2101 01:43:03.239 --> 01:43:07.279 Surroundings within an offense, and he saw it earlier on 2102 01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:10.159 in his career when he was in Cleveland Chicago, but 2103 01:43:10.760 --> 01:43:14.439 really blossoming once he came on that Team forty nine 2104 01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:18.800 with Mike Conley. He needs confidence at to guard positioned 2105 01:43:18.800 --> 01:43:20.479 it get him the ball. 2106 01:43:21.279 --> 01:43:22.720 He needs the. 2107 01:43:22.680 --> 01:43:25.720 Ability to have spacing on the floor, and for a 2108 01:43:25.760 --> 01:43:31.479 team that really didn't have necessary shooters alongside Lowry, it 2109 01:43:31.560 --> 01:43:33.640 was very difficult for him to be. 2110 01:43:33.680 --> 01:43:35.920 The number one guy on a scout and report. 2111 01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:41.279 It's very different from being concerned about Mike Conley shooting, 2112 01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:45.920 Malik Beaveley shooting. Jared Vanderbilt even could stretch on that 2113 01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:50.039 Team forty nine squad, then looking at a team that 2114 01:43:50.119 --> 01:43:53.239 has Walker Tesler taking threes at the end of the season, 2115 01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:57.159 that's not necessarily the same spacing that Lowry market is 2116 01:43:57.199 --> 01:44:00.800 going to be getting. So he lands we're in the middle. 2117 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:04.960 But that's still a really elite player, and those flashes 2118 01:44:05.000 --> 01:44:07.239 that you saw in that Laker game are exactly what 2119 01:44:08.279 --> 01:44:11.880 you want to see on a day and day out basis. 2120 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:15.720 Once this team is more built out and has better 2121 01:44:15.760 --> 01:44:16.800 compliments around him. 2122 01:44:17.239 --> 01:44:22.800 May twelfth, NBA Draft Lottery. What's the John Paul routine? 2123 01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:26.359 What sort of lucky charms will we be exercising that 2124 01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:28.840 day as we're all hoping that the number one pick 2125 01:44:28.920 --> 01:44:32.039 is their reward for this painful couple of years. 2126 01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:37.600 It's a big day. It is a big deal, is 2127 01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:40.600 a big day in the franchise. And then look, I 2128 01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:43.199 look this up of all the teams in the lottery. 2129 01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:48.279 Do you want to guess how many teams have not 2130 01:44:48.479 --> 01:44:49.640 had the number one pick? 2131 01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:53.720 I hope it's more than one. Is it more than one? 2132 01:44:53.760 --> 01:44:55.600 Because one is certainly the Utah Jazz. 2133 01:44:56.279 --> 01:44:59.960 It is only one. Wow, one team in the law 2134 01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:03.680 this year has never had the number one. 2135 01:45:03.600 --> 01:45:05.760 Overall pick, and so Utah Jazz. 2136 01:45:05.840 --> 01:45:08.000 And I even went further, I was like, what about 2137 01:45:08.079 --> 01:45:12.159 top five? How many of these teams have had top fives? 2138 01:45:12.159 --> 01:45:15.199 Only one team in the lottery has had fewer top 2139 01:45:15.239 --> 01:45:18.359 fives than Jazz. In the history of the Utah Jazz, 2140 01:45:18.359 --> 01:45:21.600 they've only had it five times. New Orleans has had 2141 01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:25.239 it three times, but they've gotten two number one all picks. 2142 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:27.920 So when I look at just who should morally get 2143 01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:31.920 the number one overall pick, I am confident in saying 2144 01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:33.880 that it's the Utah Jazz. So I don't have to 2145 01:45:33.920 --> 01:45:36.479 do anything. I don't have to find the four leaf clover. 2146 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:39.199 I don't have to get the lucky horseshoe. I don't 2147 01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:43.079 have to go swing a couple golf balls at the 2148 01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:48.520 range at Eaglewood. I will be fine just knowing wherever 2149 01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:51.319 it lands is where it will land, and it's fine. 2150 01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:54.359 You know, the Lakers, they got that pick from Magic 2151 01:45:54.439 --> 01:45:57.800 Johnson on a coin flip because they had that pick 2152 01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:00.840 from the New Orleans Jazz because they on Gail Goodrich. 2153 01:46:01.159 --> 01:46:03.680 Luck happens in a weird way, and it would be 2154 01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:06.760 very weird for the Utah Jazz to jump in the lottery, 2155 01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:09.560 but hey, weirder things have happened in this league. Just 2156 01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:10.479 look at the playoffs. 2157 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:11.399 How is that. 2158 01:46:11.800 --> 01:46:14.680 Golf game, young man? How are we doing? We improving still? 2159 01:46:16.239 --> 01:46:20.199 I played a couple weeks ago and I did all right, 2160 01:46:20.920 --> 01:46:24.159 but it was only nine holes. I think that's the 2161 01:46:24.199 --> 01:46:26.760 only capacity that I have for golf right now. 2162 01:46:27.680 --> 01:46:31.239 That makes me so sad. I cannot express how sad 2163 01:46:31.279 --> 01:46:32.880 that is. I was with our guy travel over the 2164 01:46:32.880 --> 01:46:34.760 weekend and we were promoting the fact that we can't 2165 01:46:34.760 --> 01:46:35.640 get you out anymore. 2166 01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:37.760 But here's where I want to go next. 2167 01:46:37.880 --> 01:46:41.600 You had a front row seat to watching the new 2168 01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:46.279 Utah men's basketball coach develop some young bigs, namely Rudy Gobert. 2169 01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:49.319 In one year with Walker Kessler, the MAVs lose to 2170 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:51.279 the grizz and the play in. So Alex Jensen has 2171 01:46:51.279 --> 01:46:54.520 now allocated his full time and energy to his new job. 2172 01:46:54.640 --> 01:46:57.159 What would you say to you fans about your experience 2173 01:46:57.199 --> 01:46:59.880 watching him coach when he was with the Jazz before 2174 01:46:59.880 --> 01:47:01.159 you went down to Dallas. 2175 01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:07.840 Yeah, Alex is tremendous as a coach, tactician and being 2176 01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:12.439 able to bring all the experience that he has not 2177 01:47:12.479 --> 01:47:14.239 only from his playing days but. 2178 01:47:14.600 --> 01:47:15.960 To what he had in the NBA. 2179 01:47:16.039 --> 01:47:18.479 I think it was good for him to see an 2180 01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:23.439 organization beyond Utah. Talked to Will about how advantageous that 2181 01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:25.840 was just to leave San Antonio and go to Boston 2182 01:47:25.880 --> 01:47:27.880 to see how somebody else does it, to see how 2183 01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:33.119 an organization outside of your comfort zone he's able to operate. 2184 01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:37.560 And I'm sure the same thing applies for Alex in 2185 01:47:37.680 --> 01:47:42.399 going to Dallas and learning how Jason Kidd runs a program. 2186 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:48.560 But his expertise in cutting through things and telling a 2187 01:47:48.640 --> 01:47:53.279 George and Yang, if you shoot forty percent from this 2188 01:47:53.399 --> 01:47:58.960 spot and you defend capably, you're going to be a 2189 01:47:59.399 --> 01:48:02.600 tens of millionaire in this league. And boy, to get 2190 01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:06.680 down to just that, be a capable defender. Shoot the 2191 01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:10.359 three at forty percent, you'll be fine. And George does that, 2192 01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:13.039 still is in the NBA and has one of the 2193 01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:16.560 best winning records of any player out there. I think 2194 01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:20.000 it's him and Royce O'Neil because of the fact that 2195 01:48:20.039 --> 01:48:22.840 they're on good teams. Not so much for Royce this year, 2196 01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:26.279 but still you get the point. Alex being able to 2197 01:48:26.720 --> 01:48:31.000 get it to that specific point helps players along and 2198 01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:33.600 I think that will help in the future for the 2199 01:48:33.680 --> 01:48:36.439 Utah men's basketball program when you're thinking about do we 2200 01:48:36.479 --> 01:48:38.279 want to produce pros? Are we going to get these 2201 01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:40.920 guys in there? They got to commit things on the 2202 01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:43.880 Nile front. But you've got a good one in Alex Jensen. 2203 01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:47.479 All Right, I hope that you are standing on your 2204 01:48:47.479 --> 01:48:50.560 feet and you're shouting it out. Real will end with 2205 01:48:50.600 --> 01:48:51.159 a little. 2206 01:48:51.079 --> 01:48:52.039 I told you, I gave up. 2207 01:48:52.159 --> 01:48:52.520 I'm done. 2208 01:48:52.600 --> 01:48:54.840 No, don't do that, don't do that, don't do that. 2209 01:48:54.920 --> 01:48:58.640 We have listeners, namely one little birdie source of mind 2210 01:48:58.680 --> 01:49:00.760 that will have his heartbroken if you continue just to 2211 01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:04.600 stay out. You've been an RSL fan since day one, 2212 01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:07.680 meet the team day pictures with our guy Jason Christ 2213 01:49:07.680 --> 01:49:11.399 so I understand the sentiment. But we got big Willie 2214 01:49:11.439 --> 01:49:14.560 Goles coming in, we got Johnny Russell coming in. We've 2215 01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:17.560 got a three to one victory over San Diego, so 2216 01:49:17.640 --> 01:49:21.520 the vibes are high, John Paul, are you inching closer 2217 01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:24.640 and closer to getting back in with our local soccer club? 2218 01:49:25.359 --> 01:49:29.600 So all right, I am out, But admittedly the Johnny 2219 01:49:29.640 --> 01:49:35.479 Russell signing got me a little moved because my fiance's 2220 01:49:36.399 --> 01:49:39.520 father is from Scotland, so he'll he'll be able to 2221 01:49:40.079 --> 01:49:43.760 rally behind Johnny Russell and the beard is spectacular, so 2222 01:49:44.039 --> 01:49:48.119 I'm in on that aspect. But I didn't see him play, 2223 01:49:48.520 --> 01:49:51.319 and I want to hear from you because I asked 2224 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:54.760 ahead of the game. Over the weekend at San Diego, 2225 01:49:54.840 --> 01:49:56.039 you were boots on the ground. 2226 01:49:56.119 --> 01:49:56.439 I was. 2227 01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:01.560 Dumbshoe reporting. So how much longer am I going to 2228 01:50:01.600 --> 01:50:03.560 have to wait for Johnny Russell to get his debut 2229 01:50:03.560 --> 01:50:04.479 in the Clarendon Coco. 2230 01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:06.760 He should be available coming. 2231 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:08.600 Up sometimes the grid City Yeah. 2232 01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:12.079 Indeed, well said he should be available coming up this weekend. 2233 01:50:12.079 --> 01:50:14.760 He hasn't been with a club in almost seven months. 2234 01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:17.760 He needs to get into shape. But big Willy Goles, 2235 01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:20.319 my guy was on the ground and you know we 2236 01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:22.479 saw him for a little bit, so but we should 2237 01:50:22.680 --> 01:50:25.039 we should see Johnny as early as this weekend. 2238 01:50:25.920 --> 01:50:29.000 How many goals has Willy scored this year? 2239 01:50:29.920 --> 01:50:33.239 Yeah, I believe that number is close to zero. If 2240 01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:37.000 it's not zero, so how is he Willy Golds? He 2241 01:50:37.079 --> 01:50:38.399 scored ten last year. 2242 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:42.439 But this year it's Willy no goals. 2243 01:50:42.560 --> 01:50:45.880 Well, I'm trying to look at this optimistically. Remember we 2244 01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:48.520 were all encouraged to call it Johnny Menendez Johnny Goles 2245 01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:50.800 too when he only scored one, so he became Johnny 2246 01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:52.960 one goal. But I'm just trying to look at this 2247 01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:55.520 through rose colored glasses because, as you know, I'm both 2248 01:50:55.560 --> 01:50:57.199 an mpath and an optimist. 2249 01:50:58.319 --> 01:51:01.680 Okay, I and I get I understand the names on 2250 01:51:01.760 --> 01:51:06.319 the beam. There's a connection there that will never be broken. 2251 01:51:06.479 --> 01:51:10.560 But I still need to be one over and it 2252 01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:14.159 needs to start by seeing Johnny Russell on the on 2253 01:51:14.199 --> 01:51:16.720 the field for r SOL. I also love how delicious 2254 01:51:16.760 --> 01:51:21.000 it is that he was on SKC which clear RSL rival. 2255 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:23.880 So the one way that we can get you back 2256 01:51:24.159 --> 01:51:28.079 is Johnny Russell healthy fit in the lineup and performs, 2257 01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:29.800 and then maybe we can get John Paul back. 2258 01:51:30.520 --> 01:51:33.880 Yeah, and then maybe he makes an appearance on Foothill, 2259 01:51:34.239 --> 01:51:36.000 you know, at the former mccool's. 2260 01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:39.399 Okay, I'll be in. I like it all right before 2261 01:51:39.439 --> 01:51:40.039 I set you loose. 2262 01:51:40.079 --> 01:51:42.000 What's got I know you're you got three jobs, So 2263 01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:43.640 what's got most of your energy right now? 2264 01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:45.399 That's true. 2265 01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:47.279 I do have three jobs right now. 2266 01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:52.279 Listen to Roundball round up Utah Jazz Podcast Network. I 2267 01:51:52.279 --> 01:51:54.880 spoke to Kyle Mann about the top guys at the draft, 2268 01:51:55.079 --> 01:52:01.479 not to get anybody anticipating one lean either, but info 2269 01:52:01.520 --> 01:52:06.039 on Cooper flag As Bailey, Dylan Harper, vj edgecome kon 2270 01:52:06.079 --> 01:52:08.239 Kak Nippa, all those guys at the top of the draft. 2271 01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:12.800 Just search the Utah Jazz Podcast Network in your podcast feed. 2272 01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:16.439 And then, of course, the NWSL got a game this Saturday, 2273 01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:22.119 Utah Royals against the North Carolina Courage. Ali Sentnor, the 2274 01:52:22.279 --> 01:52:26.520 number nine, best number nine in the entire state, taking 2275 01:52:26.560 --> 01:52:30.039 on NC and Jaden Shaw, who's also a really bright 2276 01:52:30.079 --> 01:52:32.159 young player for the US and wins. The national team 2277 01:52:32.479 --> 01:52:35.039 playing to look forward to on the Utah Royals front 2278 01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:38.479 as they are only six games in with twenty more 2279 01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:39.000 to go. 2280 01:52:39.680 --> 01:52:40.479 Thank you, young man. 2281 01:52:40.520 --> 01:52:42.239 I want you to give Corey just a big hug 2282 01:52:42.279 --> 01:52:43.720 and tell her from me, Okay. 2283 01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:46.720 We'll do get Johnny Russell on the field. 2284 01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:49.039 We will, we will. That's the deal, all right, JP. 2285 01:52:49.319 --> 01:52:52.840 John Paul check out the round Ball Roundup podcast. He's 2286 01:52:52.880 --> 01:52:54.960 also the voice of the Stars and the Utah Royals, 2287 01:52:55.000 --> 01:52:57.920 and of course, probably the pinnacle and peak of his 2288 01:52:57.960 --> 01:53:00.239 career in life is the producer of this radio show 2289 01:53:00.239 --> 01:53:03.079 a number of years ago. 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All right, we're back to some 2309 01:53:54.560 --> 01:53:57.079 NFL draft takeaways in the five o'clock hour, and then 2310 01:53:57.119 --> 01:53:59.199 of course we'll get you ready for some NBA playoffs. 2311 01:53:59.399 --> 01:54:01.279 But RSA with a result over the weekend. 2312 01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:03.119 Sam Junk is going to join us coming up next 2313 01:54:03.359 --> 01:54:06.720 right here on ESPN seven hundred. All right, show rolling 2314 01:54:06.720 --> 01:54:09.760 along today, my friend Melissa from Sound Sleep Medical joins 2315 01:54:09.800 --> 01:54:11.239 us live in studio once again. 2316 01:54:11.279 --> 01:54:12.760 Melissa, how are you doing great? 2317 01:54:13.000 --> 01:54:13.359 All right? 2318 01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:16.840 Oral appliance therapy to treat sleep apnea. It is not 2319 01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:19.680 a seapap let's underscore it, So what exactly is it? 2320 01:54:19.720 --> 01:54:20.159 Melissa? 2321 01:54:20.600 --> 01:54:22.880 It's just like a custom made mouthguard that you wear 2322 01:54:22.920 --> 01:54:25.479 on your teeth during the night. So maybe you your 2323 01:54:25.520 --> 01:54:29.279 a partner is snoring. That's an easy red flag. Snoring 2324 01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:32.960 is much more than annoying noise. It actually shows us 2325 01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:35.479 that you're probably not getting enough oxygen during the night, 2326 01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:39.520 which is essentially sleep ATNA And if you don't fix 2327 01:54:39.640 --> 01:54:42.720 it with the oral appliance, you're gonna end up with 2328 01:54:43.079 --> 01:54:46.079 serious health issues down the road, like high blood pressure, 2329 01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:50.039 high blood sugar levels, more serious stuff even like stroke 2330 01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:51.800 and dementia down the road as you age. 2331 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:54.159 So I've had some friends that have tried the seapap 2332 01:54:54.359 --> 01:54:56.960 and it's extremely uncomfortable. 2333 01:54:57.199 --> 01:54:58.600 It's not very convenient. 2334 01:54:58.720 --> 01:55:01.199 You can travel with this oral appliance, and it's very 2335 01:55:01.199 --> 01:55:02.279 convenient to take around. 2336 01:55:02.359 --> 01:55:04.920 Yes, for sure, it's so small and slim you could 2337 01:55:04.920 --> 01:55:07.680 throw it in your pocket. 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What 2348 01:55:35.560 --> 01:55:38.479 sort of improved quality of life have the experienced. 2349 01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:42.239 Well, they're so glad they're not wrestling with their seapap anymore, 2350 01:55:42.600 --> 01:55:45.600 and it's just great to wake up and actually feel rested. 2351 01:55:45.640 --> 01:55:48.800 You know a lot of people out there, Spence, they've forgotten. 2352 01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:50.880 It's been so long they don't even remember what it 2353 01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:53.039 feels like to feel good during the day and not 2354 01:55:53.039 --> 01:55:55.640 feel like you're gonna fall asleep every time you sit down. 2355 01:55:55.760 --> 01:55:58.039 And what's that special offer? Unless you have for our listeners, 2356 01:55:58.079 --> 01:55:59.800 will call you today, Okay, call now. 2357 01:55:59.840 --> 01:56:02.319 The number is eight oh one three three five nine, 2358 01:56:02.399 --> 01:56:05.600 eight two four. You can also find us at soundsleepmedical 2359 01:56:05.640 --> 01:56:08.359 dot com. When you schedule today during the show, you're 2360 01:56:08.359 --> 01:56:10.680 gonna get a free sleep screening, which is the test 2361 01:56:10.720 --> 01:56:12.520 you get to do at home in your own bed, 2362 01:56:12.960 --> 01:56:16.560 as well as a free sleep consultation. We do have 2363 01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:18.840 six offices and this means you get to sit down 2364 01:56:18.880 --> 01:56:22.640 with a sleep specialist, get those results and learn what 2365 01:56:22.680 --> 01:56:25.239 you can do to fix your sleep and start feeling better. 2366 01:56:25.279 --> 01:56:27.720 All right, call today, It's eight oh one, three three 2367 01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:30.680 five nine eight two four RSL went to San Diego 2368 01:56:30.840 --> 01:56:32.680 over the weekend and got a result three to one 2369 01:56:32.760 --> 01:56:35.359 over the expansion side. You came here earlier this year 2370 01:56:35.399 --> 01:56:38.800 and actually beat ral saw Lake. Our next guest scored 2371 01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:42.479 a wonder goal, a great, great strike. Sam Junk joins 2372 01:56:42.479 --> 01:56:43.920 the show on a Monday afternoon. 2373 01:56:43.960 --> 01:56:44.159 Sam. 2374 01:56:44.199 --> 01:56:46.560 How you doing, buddy, I'm doing great. 2375 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:47.479 Thanks for having me on. 2376 01:56:47.600 --> 01:56:50.079 I appreciate the time. So we got to talk about 2377 01:56:50.079 --> 01:56:53.920 the goal. Did you know that you so? I always 2378 01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:57.279 find it fascinating to talk to soccer players that scored 2379 01:56:57.399 --> 01:57:00.159 goals the way that you did over the weekend. When 2380 01:57:00.159 --> 01:57:02.159 you struck it, did you know that you had put 2381 01:57:02.199 --> 01:57:03.840 it on frame? Did you feel that good about it? 2382 01:57:03.920 --> 01:57:05.760 Right instantly after you struck the ball. 2383 01:57:07.399 --> 01:57:11.119 I felt like I got good contact on it. The 2384 01:57:11.159 --> 01:57:13.560 difficulty with shots like that is there's a lot of 2385 01:57:13.560 --> 01:57:16.159 people in and around the box and a lot of 2386 01:57:16.199 --> 01:57:20.119 times get blocked when it's on frame. This time it 2387 01:57:20.159 --> 01:57:23.560 didn't happen, and so fortunately went into the side netting. 2388 01:57:24.199 --> 01:57:27.439 How much of a relief was that result. 2389 01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:29.720 I mean, we'll get to some of the other storylines, 2390 01:57:29.760 --> 01:57:32.079 but the start has been rough. 2391 01:57:32.119 --> 01:57:33.039 It's been up and down. 2392 01:57:33.119 --> 01:57:35.439 So How good did that feel, Sam, to go to 2393 01:57:35.439 --> 01:57:37.760 San Diego and get that three points? 2394 01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:40.439 It felt really good. We've been in need of a 2395 01:57:40.479 --> 01:57:43.800 win and it's never easy to win away, and to 2396 01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:46.920 be the first team to win the same San Diego 2397 01:57:47.199 --> 01:57:48.159 was special. 2398 01:57:48.680 --> 01:57:50.800 So tell us about yourself a little bit. First time 2399 01:57:50.840 --> 01:57:52.199 we've been able to have you on the show. You're 2400 01:57:52.239 --> 01:57:54.600 one of the new players. You were acquired from you 2401 01:57:54.640 --> 01:57:57.359 were required from Dallas and the Anderson Julio deal. 2402 01:57:58.279 --> 01:57:59.800 Tell us about yourself grown up? 2403 01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:01.840 When did you first start playing soccer and how do 2404 01:58:01.880 --> 01:58:03.920 you feel about, you know, landing here with RSL. 2405 01:58:05.479 --> 01:58:09.319 Yeah, I started playing maybe around six years old, just recreationally, 2406 01:58:09.359 --> 01:58:13.399 and got more serious as time went on. I really 2407 01:58:13.439 --> 01:58:18.199 excited to be here in Salt Lake, and I feel 2408 01:58:18.199 --> 01:58:22.039 like me and my fiance are settling in here and 2409 01:58:22.359 --> 01:58:23.159 calling it home now. 2410 01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:27.920 So instantly, of course, it was probably a little bit jarring. 2411 01:58:28.039 --> 01:58:30.239 It's kind of the interesting thing when you're a pro athlete, 2412 01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:32.840 you don't really have control over where you live. Did 2413 01:58:32.880 --> 01:58:35.520 you know much about our market or is most of 2414 01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:38.239 the dynamics about Utah pretty new to you and your fiance? 2415 01:58:40.920 --> 01:58:44.079 Most of it's pretty new. I had a little bit 2416 01:58:44.119 --> 01:58:46.640 of an idea of what it might be like, because 2417 01:58:46.680 --> 01:58:50.279 I actually thought when I was leaving Houston that I 2418 01:58:50.359 --> 01:58:53.960 might end up in RSL, But you know, I ended 2419 01:58:54.039 --> 01:58:57.720 up in Dallas and that was that. And now two 2420 01:58:57.800 --> 01:59:02.479 years later contunity came up again and it happened this time, 2421 01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:06.279 and so we've gotten more familiar with the valley and 2422 01:59:06.600 --> 01:59:08.239 you know all that you has to offer. 2423 01:59:08.560 --> 01:59:12.079 This time around, you are competing with Alex for that spot. 2424 01:59:12.119 --> 01:59:12.439 What's it? 2425 01:59:12.479 --> 01:59:14.520 What's it been like to h and look when it 2426 01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:17.640 comes to healthy competition, of course, that's something Pablo wants, 2427 01:59:17.680 --> 01:59:20.680 and the season is so long, you want multiple options 2428 01:59:20.680 --> 01:59:23.039 at each each position. But tell me about that kind 2429 01:59:23.039 --> 01:59:24.920 of positional battle that you and Alex are kind of 2430 01:59:24.920 --> 01:59:25.439 fighting for. 2431 01:59:26.920 --> 01:59:27.720 I think it's been good. 2432 01:59:28.640 --> 01:59:31.439 I feel like the left back position has been a 2433 01:59:31.479 --> 01:59:34.880 strong one for us this season, and the competition is good. 2434 01:59:35.079 --> 01:59:37.920 Alex is a great player, and I think that we've 2435 01:59:37.960 --> 01:59:40.800 both pushed each other to be at our best, and 2436 01:59:41.079 --> 01:59:44.319 you know, I think that's helping the team this season. 2437 01:59:44.720 --> 01:59:48.600 Tell me what specifically Pablo is asked for from you 2438 01:59:48.640 --> 01:59:50.840 when it comes to that positional battle and the other 2439 01:59:50.880 --> 01:59:52.159 things you're expected to do for the. 2440 01:59:52.159 --> 02:00:01.079 Club, So specifically, for that position. They want us to 2441 02:00:01.079 --> 02:00:05.000 not just be defenders, but to provide some help in 2442 02:00:05.039 --> 02:00:08.000 the attack and to get forward. And it's a physically 2443 02:00:08.039 --> 02:00:12.880 demanding position. They want us to provide a pretty high output, 2444 02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:16.079 usually the highest of the team in terms of distance 2445 02:00:16.079 --> 02:00:20.279 covered and running back and forth. And you know, it's 2446 02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:22.079 a position where we do a little bit of everything, 2447 02:00:22.159 --> 02:00:25.920 and you know, we play on both sides of the ball. 2448 02:00:26.520 --> 02:00:30.159 So far through the season, throughout the start of the season, 2449 02:00:30.359 --> 02:00:31.960 you know, it has been a little bit up and down. 2450 02:00:32.079 --> 02:00:34.159 Tell me what you feel like, you guys excel at 2451 02:00:34.199 --> 02:00:35.119 when you're getting points. 2452 02:00:35.159 --> 02:00:36.000 What are you doing well. 2453 02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:44.720 I think that we're a team that brings energy and grit, 2454 02:00:44.840 --> 02:00:48.319 and I think we showed that in this past game 2455 02:00:48.399 --> 02:00:51.920 because the first half wasn't easy. They had a lot 2456 02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:54.680 of the ball and we were kind of weathering the 2457 02:00:54.680 --> 02:00:57.600 storm for a lot of the first half. But we 2458 02:00:57.600 --> 02:01:00.960 were the team that struck first and then we carried 2459 02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:03.920 that into the second half where we kind of grew 2460 02:01:03.920 --> 02:01:06.119 into the game and put the game away. 2461 02:01:06.640 --> 02:01:09.640 We saw another brace from Diego Luna Sam and that 2462 02:01:09.760 --> 02:01:12.920 young man star continues to shine and continues to rise. 2463 02:01:13.439 --> 02:01:15.760 What's it like training with him? What's it been like 2464 02:01:15.800 --> 02:01:18.760 to be his teammate and tell us maybe your thoughts 2465 02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:22.079 on how he continues to evolve and really rise up 2466 02:01:22.119 --> 02:01:25.159 the ranks as a genuine legit superstar in Major League Soccer. 2467 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:28.920 It's been great. You know, you always want to play 2468 02:01:28.920 --> 02:01:31.800 with great players on your team, and he's been somebody 2469 02:01:31.840 --> 02:01:34.279 that's been doing a great job for us this season. 2470 02:01:34.960 --> 02:01:37.920 Funny story is he actually played with my little brother 2471 02:01:38.119 --> 02:01:41.119 growing up when they were both playing for the center 2472 02:01:41.119 --> 02:01:43.640 of the Earthquakes, and so I knew about him a 2473 02:01:43.640 --> 02:01:45.439 little bit. It's kind of funny to be playing with, 2474 02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:49.640 you know, people that my little brother has played with 2475 02:01:49.720 --> 02:01:54.640 or against now in the league. But yeah, he's been 2476 02:01:54.680 --> 02:01:58.399 somebody that I think has shown that he can produce 2477 02:01:58.479 --> 02:02:01.760 at the club level and now on the national team level. 2478 02:02:01.800 --> 02:02:04.159 So it's really exciting to see kind of where his 2479 02:02:04.239 --> 02:02:05.079 career takes him. 2480 02:02:06.199 --> 02:02:09.079 Just one brother, what's the family dynamic? Like, you grew 2481 02:02:09.199 --> 02:02:12.319 up where you're a southern California kid, right, So is 2482 02:02:12.359 --> 02:02:13.239 your family still there? 2483 02:02:13.399 --> 02:02:14.600 Is it just you and your one brother? 2484 02:02:15.800 --> 02:02:18.520 No, I'm the middle of three boys. So I've got 2485 02:02:18.560 --> 02:02:20.920 my little brother, the one that has played with Diego, 2486 02:02:20.920 --> 02:02:24.279 and I've got an older brother nobody actually lives in 2487 02:02:24.279 --> 02:02:28.439 California anymore. My parents and my little brother, they currently 2488 02:02:28.479 --> 02:02:35.039 reside in nearby Cordelaine, Idaho up north Sure, and my 2489 02:02:35.159 --> 02:02:37.840 big brother is actually going to be returning to California 2490 02:02:38.399 --> 02:02:46.920 to be nearby UC Davis, but currently he's in Beaverton, Oregon. 2491 02:02:47.359 --> 02:02:50.359 Very does who put a soccer ball at your feet? 2492 02:02:50.399 --> 02:02:52.800 First? Was it Dad? Was it Mom? Was it your brothers? 2493 02:02:52.960 --> 02:02:54.399 How'd you get involved in the game? 2494 02:02:55.680 --> 02:02:58.119 I had to think that I saw my big brother playing. 2495 02:02:58.159 --> 02:03:00.439 He played all sorts of sports, soccer being one of them, 2496 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:02.760 and I saw him playing, and so I got involved 2497 02:03:03.800 --> 02:03:04.560 when I saw that. 2498 02:03:05.279 --> 02:03:07.399 Did you play any other sports? I mean, you're legitimately 2499 02:03:07.399 --> 02:03:09.399 six feet tall. Some of these soccer guys are like 2500 02:03:09.479 --> 02:03:11.439 five to five and they only played soccer. 2501 02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:13.159 Did you play any other sports? 2502 02:03:13.680 --> 02:03:16.439 I played a little bit of basketball. I did a 2503 02:03:16.439 --> 02:03:21.680 little bit of swimming growing up, but otherwise it was 2504 02:03:21.800 --> 02:03:25.720 intramural you know, baseball, football, those kinds of things, but 2505 02:03:26.840 --> 02:03:29.119 primarily soccer basketball. 2506 02:03:29.359 --> 02:03:32.039 Did you have a soccer hero growing up that you 2507 02:03:32.079 --> 02:03:34.119 wanted to be in, a favorite club that you liked 2508 02:03:34.119 --> 02:03:36.640 to watch growing up? 2509 02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:38.840 I think the one that inspired me the most was 2510 02:03:38.880 --> 02:03:42.840 probably Ronaldinho. The things that he did on the field 2511 02:03:42.840 --> 02:03:45.960 and with the ball were just, you know, they looked magical, 2512 02:03:46.039 --> 02:03:48.720 and I always liked to watch his YouTube videos and 2513 02:03:48.960 --> 02:03:51.439 try to recreate them, and I think that's what really 2514 02:03:51.479 --> 02:03:52.039 inspired me. 2515 02:03:52.479 --> 02:03:55.239 When did you know that you were really good at this? 2516 02:03:55.439 --> 02:03:57.159 When did you know that if you put in the 2517 02:03:57.199 --> 02:04:00.479 work and had some health luck and did the things 2518 02:04:00.479 --> 02:04:02.439 that you could potentially be a professional player. 2519 02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:09.760 I would say sometime when I was a teenager. I 2520 02:04:09.800 --> 02:04:12.920 started to, you know, believe that I had, you know, 2521 02:04:13.000 --> 02:04:17.880 the ability and the opportunity to maybe make it. But 2522 02:04:18.680 --> 02:04:20.840 you know, it's always hard to say because there are 2523 02:04:20.840 --> 02:04:22.920 players that you grew up with that you think are 2524 02:04:23.000 --> 02:04:24.680 going to make it for sure, and they don't, right, 2525 02:04:24.760 --> 02:04:29.000 And so I think what I started to realize was 2526 02:04:29.079 --> 02:04:33.359 that it wasn't just about the talent, and that there 2527 02:04:33.359 --> 02:04:38.199 were other factors and other you know, non controllables control 2528 02:04:38.239 --> 02:04:40.520 goles that went into it. And I really tried to 2529 02:04:41.239 --> 02:04:45.520 focus on everything I could control and and just you know, 2530 02:04:45.560 --> 02:04:47.439 figure out the paths from there. Because I didn't really 2531 02:04:47.479 --> 02:04:50.279 have anybody for my family that's with this path, so 2532 02:04:50.319 --> 02:04:52.880 I was kind of winging it and trying to figure 2533 02:04:52.880 --> 02:04:53.600 it out as I went. 2534 02:04:54.199 --> 02:04:57.600 Tell me what it's like playing for Pablo here a 2535 02:04:57.640 --> 02:05:00.399 new coach juxtaposed other coaches you played for, or what 2536 02:05:00.479 --> 02:05:01.680 makes Pablo Pablo? 2537 02:05:01.720 --> 02:05:02.880 What's it like playing for him? 2538 02:05:04.520 --> 02:05:07.239 It's been awesome. I really enjoyed it when I was 2539 02:05:07.239 --> 02:05:10.720 in Houston. I'm enjoying it again being here at ourself. 2540 02:05:11.560 --> 02:05:15.039 You know, the teams that he coaches, they show a 2541 02:05:15.039 --> 02:05:17.560 lot of grid, a lot of fight, you know, and. 2542 02:05:17.600 --> 02:05:18.199 Not just. 2543 02:05:19.720 --> 02:05:22.960 A strong tactical sense. So I think that there's a 2544 02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:28.399 good balance there. I like that he's a good man manager. 2545 02:05:28.520 --> 02:05:31.920 He you know, is the players coach who and knows 2546 02:05:31.960 --> 02:05:33.920 what it's like to be in our shoes, and so 2547 02:05:35.720 --> 02:05:37.960 I think all that experience allows it to be the 2548 02:05:38.000 --> 02:05:38.680 coach that he is. 2549 02:05:39.279 --> 02:05:41.640 So tell me your thoughts on where you guys find 2550 02:05:41.640 --> 02:05:44.680 yourselves and the kind of the conversation at that locker room. 2551 02:05:44.760 --> 02:05:47.079 With the win against San Diego, you're now four to six, 2552 02:05:47.119 --> 02:05:49.039 and oh, I think you're the only team in all 2553 02:05:49.079 --> 02:05:51.239 of Major League Soccer that has not tied the game. 2554 02:05:52.199 --> 02:05:54.439 And so you know, Sam, you know the deal. You're 2555 02:05:54.479 --> 02:05:54.760 a vet. 2556 02:05:54.800 --> 02:05:56.359 I think he played in one hundred and forty four 2557 02:05:56.399 --> 02:05:59.760 games and ultimately some of the best teams we've ever 2558 02:05:59.800 --> 02:06:03.640 had here have been off to really bad starts, and 2559 02:06:03.680 --> 02:06:05.399 some of the worst teams got off the great starts. 2560 02:06:05.439 --> 02:06:08.600 I get is such a marathon long season. But through 2561 02:06:08.640 --> 02:06:11.159 through ten games, where do you guys feel like you're 2562 02:06:11.199 --> 02:06:12.640 at right now? What do you have to do to 2563 02:06:12.680 --> 02:06:14.600 maybe get more results coming your way. 2564 02:06:16.399 --> 02:06:19.000 Yeah, I think that, you know, we feel a sense 2565 02:06:19.039 --> 02:06:23.039 of urgency knowing that we're, you know, getting close to 2566 02:06:23.079 --> 02:06:26.720 being a third of the way through the season. At 2567 02:06:26.760 --> 02:06:29.760 the same time, we know that it's a long season, 2568 02:06:29.880 --> 02:06:32.800 and you know, you win a couple of games in 2569 02:06:32.840 --> 02:06:36.039 a row and suddenly you shoot up towards the top 2570 02:06:36.079 --> 02:06:39.920 of the table. And so I think, you know, in 2571 02:06:39.960 --> 02:06:43.319 the past couple of games, we've gotten back to playing 2572 02:06:43.359 --> 02:06:45.159 a little bit more the way we want to and 2573 02:06:45.560 --> 02:06:51.720 playing more complete games. And I think, you know, the 2574 02:06:51.800 --> 02:06:55.840 things that we've been doing in training and going into 2575 02:06:55.880 --> 02:06:58.239 these games, we have to keep doing that and just 2576 02:06:58.319 --> 02:07:02.760 be continue to be better in our defensive end and 2577 02:07:02.760 --> 02:07:05.560 in our offensive end in the boxes, and that's the 2578 02:07:05.560 --> 02:07:08.439 focus that we've been talking about. And I think that 2579 02:07:09.119 --> 02:07:13.439 everything in between has been quite good. It's just being better, 2580 02:07:13.920 --> 02:07:16.960 you know, not letting goals in and scoring our chances, 2581 02:07:16.960 --> 02:07:18.520 and I think we'll be just fine. 2582 02:07:18.720 --> 02:07:22.239 Primary transfer window comes and goes, two editions are made, 2583 02:07:22.479 --> 02:07:26.039 both from SKC, ironically enough, which is kind of a 2584 02:07:26.239 --> 02:07:27.439 rival of RSLs. 2585 02:07:27.479 --> 02:07:29.119 It battled for the Cup back in the day. 2586 02:07:29.600 --> 02:07:33.880 So tell me what sort of what sort of kind 2587 02:07:33.880 --> 02:07:36.800 of access or what sort of experience you've had so 2588 02:07:36.920 --> 02:07:40.520 far communicated with Willy and Johnny And what are you 2589 02:07:40.520 --> 02:07:43.239 guys hoping that those two acquisitions do for your team. 2590 02:07:44.840 --> 02:07:45.039 Yeah. 2591 02:07:45.079 --> 02:07:49.359 I think it gives us a big boost offensively getting 2592 02:07:49.359 --> 02:07:53.640 Willy and Johnny into the team. I think that this 2593 02:07:53.720 --> 02:07:56.239 past game Willly showed a little bit of his ability 2594 02:07:56.239 --> 02:07:59.000 and I think that it's very promising what he brings 2595 02:07:59.000 --> 02:08:02.399 for the team. Johnny's still kind of getting going. He 2596 02:08:02.439 --> 02:08:06.159 hasn't been training with the team. He's been a free agent, 2597 02:08:06.239 --> 02:08:09.279 and so he might need a little bit. But you know, 2598 02:08:09.319 --> 02:08:13.319 he's been producing in the league for the past seven 2599 02:08:13.439 --> 02:08:16.359 years or so, and he's a well known name around 2600 02:08:16.399 --> 02:08:19.119 the league, and so that experience that he brings to 2601 02:08:19.159 --> 02:08:22.920 the team, and you know what he'll have to attack, 2602 02:08:22.960 --> 02:08:26.399 I think will be really valuable. Going forwards. We have 2603 02:08:26.560 --> 02:08:29.399 had a little bit of difficulty producing as much as 2604 02:08:29.399 --> 02:08:33.560 we'd like offensively, and so I think that these guys 2605 02:08:33.600 --> 02:08:35.840 will be really helpful in that category. 2606 02:08:36.560 --> 02:08:38.239 What do you like to do, Sam when you're not 2607 02:08:38.279 --> 02:08:39.039 playing soccer? 2608 02:08:39.079 --> 02:08:42.720 I've read that you and your fiance like to foster 2609 02:08:42.840 --> 02:08:45.640 animals and at one point, am I reading correctly that 2610 02:08:45.720 --> 02:08:48.399 you had twelve cats in twenty twenty. 2611 02:08:49.600 --> 02:08:52.800 Yeah, something crazy like that, just because we had I 2612 02:08:52.800 --> 02:08:56.239 think a litter of kidden that was in the process 2613 02:08:56.279 --> 02:09:00.840 of being adopted out, and then there was another kiddens 2614 02:09:00.880 --> 02:09:04.840 that we were asked to foster or else they were 2615 02:09:04.840 --> 02:09:07.720 going to get put down, and you know, it was 2616 02:09:08.239 --> 02:09:10.039 either we take them in or they were going to 2617 02:09:10.079 --> 02:09:12.600 get put down that day. So we took them in 2618 02:09:12.640 --> 02:09:14.680 and there was a little bit of an overlap, and 2619 02:09:15.720 --> 02:09:18.039 but yeah, it's something that we're very passionate about. We 2620 02:09:18.119 --> 02:09:22.319 love animals, not just cats and dogs, but we we 2621 02:09:22.439 --> 02:09:26.279 tend to foster or work with with those animals. And 2622 02:09:28.399 --> 02:09:33.119 otherwise we both my fiance and I both really like nature. 2623 02:09:34.039 --> 02:09:38.920 I like, uh, you know, walking around Ochre Lake with 2624 02:09:38.960 --> 02:09:44.840 my dog. I helped to visit the National Parks sometime 2625 02:09:44.960 --> 02:09:47.000 soon when we get some days off in a row. 2626 02:09:47.079 --> 02:09:53.560 And otherwise I've enjoyed cooking some nice meals at home, 2627 02:09:53.640 --> 02:09:57.000 cooking dinners with my fiance. We live right by Harmon 2628 02:09:57.159 --> 02:10:00.319 and so being walking distance to a grocery or it's 2629 02:10:00.319 --> 02:10:03.359 made it much easier to go grab some things for dinner. 2630 02:10:03.399 --> 02:10:05.600 And it's been a lot for all. 2631 02:10:05.479 --> 02:10:08.279 Of our listeners. RSL listeners. Do you do the social 2632 02:10:08.399 --> 02:10:11.000 media thing? Do you do the Instagram thing? I think 2633 02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:14.079 the kids love the TikTok? Sam, is there any anywhere 2634 02:10:14.079 --> 02:10:15.720 that our listeners can go find your stuff? 2635 02:10:16.600 --> 02:10:21.039 Yeah, they can find me on Instagram. Att Junka, All. 2636 02:10:21.000 --> 02:10:23.520 Right, buddy, Well, congrats on that goal. It was quite 2637 02:10:23.520 --> 02:10:25.720 a strike. And keep up the good work and most 2638 02:10:25.760 --> 02:10:26.720 importantly stay healthy. 2639 02:10:26.760 --> 02:10:29.600 Okay, thank you very much, appreciate it. 2640 02:10:29.680 --> 02:10:33.199 Sam Junker Rsel left back. He and Alex catron Is 2641 02:10:33.319 --> 02:10:36.920 kind of battling for that position. Had a pretty stunning goal. 2642 02:10:37.319 --> 02:10:39.239 I didn't know Sam had that in him. It was 2643 02:10:39.279 --> 02:10:41.640 from I don't know, twenty five twenty six yards out 2644 02:10:42.279 --> 02:10:45.640 beat the keeper lower right hand side and was able 2645 02:10:45.680 --> 02:10:48.720 to get that goal to help RSL get that three 2646 02:10:48.920 --> 02:10:53.720 one victory against San Diego. The road continues for RSL. 2647 02:10:53.880 --> 02:10:55.680 They have been on the road for a while. Three 2648 02:10:55.680 --> 02:10:57.680 of the next four on the road. They're going to 2649 02:10:57.720 --> 02:10:59.920 take on Vancouver, who's the best side in the West 2650 02:11:00.119 --> 02:11:02.800 right now. Then they'll be in Dallas at Toyota Stadium, 2651 02:11:03.000 --> 02:11:05.520 a quick trip back to Salt Lake. I guess I 2652 02:11:05.560 --> 02:11:08.119 should say Sandy to take on Portland, and then there'll 2653 02:11:08.119 --> 02:11:10.520 be a Dick Sporting Goods Park to take on Colorado. 2654 02:11:10.600 --> 02:11:12.960 So three the next four on the road for real 2655 02:11:13.079 --> 02:11:13.520 salt Lake. 2656 02:11:14.039 --> 02:11:17.079 Kimmy Butler expected to play for the Golden State Warriors 2657 02:11:17.079 --> 02:11:19.520 tonight as the Warriors are trying to take a three 2658 02:11:19.560 --> 02:11:24.279 to one lead over the Houston Rockets. Unfortunately, Damian Lillard 2659 02:11:24.399 --> 02:11:27.039 it was confirmed earlier today that he has torn his 2660 02:11:27.119 --> 02:11:30.279 left achilles tendon in the Bucks lost to the Pacers 2661 02:11:30.279 --> 02:11:32.600 over the weekend. So we got some NBA playoffs tonight, 2662 02:11:32.680 --> 02:11:35.880 some Stanley Cup playoff action as well. Of course, the 2663 02:11:35.920 --> 02:11:39.399 Utah Hockey Club high speedhead their offseason. Hopefully Bill Armstrong 2664 02:11:39.439 --> 02:11:42.640 can make a couple of additions to the team to 2665 02:11:43.119 --> 02:11:45.199 take the right step in the right direction. I think 2666 02:11:45.199 --> 02:11:48.199 they've got about eight million dollars to play with, fifth 2667 02:11:48.239 --> 02:11:51.199 most cap space in the NHL. They got the fourteenth 2668 02:11:51.239 --> 02:11:54.039 pick in the first round of the NHL Draft. Then 2669 02:11:54.039 --> 02:11:56.800 they're on second, third, and fourth round pick. So there 2670 02:11:56.840 --> 02:12:00.520 you go, all right, porter, right football guy. Of all 2671 02:12:00.520 --> 02:12:03.039 the utes that did not get drafted, which one surprised 2672 02:12:03.079 --> 02:12:03.680 you the most? 2673 02:12:04.880 --> 02:12:10.479 Hmm, that's a good question. I don't know that. 2674 02:12:10.520 --> 02:12:13.800 I was entirely surprised with a whole lot of them, 2675 02:12:13.840 --> 02:12:16.960 except Junior Tafuna. I thought that Junior would be a 2676 02:12:17.039 --> 02:12:19.680 mid round or laid round draft pick. I thought there 2677 02:12:19.760 --> 02:12:22.520 was little doubt about that. I thought there was even 2678 02:12:22.560 --> 02:12:28.800 littler doubt about that when he showed well at senior Day's, 2679 02:12:28.920 --> 02:12:33.720 senior camps, stuff like that. But this was a really, 2680 02:12:33.760 --> 02:12:35.800 really good class when it comes to a lot of 2681 02:12:35.800 --> 02:12:39.039 the interior defensive linemen, a lot of the interior offensive linemen. 2682 02:12:39.159 --> 02:12:43.800 So these teams that were building up, they're insides. 2683 02:12:45.880 --> 02:12:46.119 Man. 2684 02:12:46.239 --> 02:12:51.079 There was a long list of both defensive tackles and 2685 02:12:51.560 --> 02:12:55.840 guards and centers on the offensive side. So that was 2686 02:12:55.920 --> 02:12:58.479 kind of the story. It was Junior Tafuna, a guy 2687 02:12:58.520 --> 02:13:01.760 that would have been drafted in spence, I would say 2688 02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:05.199 eighty percent of the year's eighty percent of NFL draft classes. 2689 02:13:05.399 --> 02:13:08.600 He's gonna go late round and maybe even earlier. But 2690 02:13:09.039 --> 02:13:10.680 this was one of the outliers there. 2691 02:13:10.840 --> 02:13:11.960 Yeah, and oftentimes. 2692 02:13:12.000 --> 02:13:13.840 You know, as we've talked about, I always go back 2693 02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:18.319 to that anecdote, the anecdotal story I share. When Trevor 2694 02:13:18.399 --> 02:13:20.199 Riley was drafted, and I think it was the seventh 2695 02:13:20.279 --> 02:13:23.199 round by my Jets, I sent him this text. I'm like, dude, congrats, 2696 02:13:23.199 --> 02:13:27.359 that's awesome, and he sent me an expletive leaden text 2697 02:13:27.359 --> 02:13:28.880 and return about how pissed. 2698 02:13:28.600 --> 02:13:30.760 He was because he wanted to choose his landing spot. 2699 02:13:30.760 --> 02:13:31.960 If you're going to go in the sixth or the 2700 02:13:31.960 --> 02:13:34.479 seventh round, you might, like Conrad o' toole got a 2701 02:13:34.560 --> 02:13:37.880 nice guaranteed deal to go play for Seattle, you might 2702 02:13:38.199 --> 02:13:40.720 have the preference of choosing where you play instead of 2703 02:13:40.760 --> 02:13:41.720 being told where you live. 2704 02:13:41.840 --> 02:13:45.399 Yeah, a little inside there. I was in the know 2705 02:13:45.640 --> 02:13:48.800 when it comes to Britain Covey's situation during that process, 2706 02:13:49.439 --> 02:13:51.439 and it was just kind of the same situation where 2707 02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:54.439 at the end of the draft we were actually sitting 2708 02:13:54.479 --> 02:13:56.840 in a room hoping he didn't get drafted, which is 2709 02:13:56.920 --> 02:14:00.119 kind of a weird feeling, because he had a prompts 2710 02:14:00.279 --> 02:14:03.199 at that point for a couple of different teams that 2711 02:14:03.319 --> 02:14:06.920 he felt really comfortable with the situations, one of those 2712 02:14:06.960 --> 02:14:10.560 being the Philadelphia Eagles ended up okay for the guy. 2713 02:14:11.520 --> 02:14:15.039 So that's a that's a pretty common situation in some 2714 02:14:15.199 --> 02:14:18.840 draft situations. And yeah, it happens more than you think. 2715 02:14:18.960 --> 02:14:21.319 We should uh, we should get Britain Covey on on 2716 02:14:21.359 --> 02:14:22.039 the radio show. 2717 02:14:22.079 --> 02:14:25.279 I know, right, apparently busy guy. 2718 02:14:25.640 --> 02:14:27.800 Do I need to book that because he claims that 2719 02:14:27.880 --> 02:14:30.159 he's down, I know, is he lying to me? 2720 02:14:30.359 --> 02:14:34.399 He Britain and listen, it's my guy, it's our guy. 2721 02:14:34.479 --> 02:14:37.680 Of course he is and would love to do it. 2722 02:14:37.720 --> 02:14:40.319 I'm sure he's just sometimes a little a little tough 2723 02:14:40.319 --> 02:14:43.079 to nail down, all right, But we'll we'll get him 2724 02:14:43.079 --> 02:14:44.960 on the show. He has promised, he's promised you, he's 2725 02:14:44.960 --> 02:14:47.199 promised me, and he has a golf tournament. 2726 02:14:46.880 --> 02:14:48.279 He wants to to push. 2727 02:14:48.319 --> 02:14:51.439 So we'll, uh, we'll make that happen. The real hold 2728 02:14:51.520 --> 02:14:52.560 up is I've been trying to get it in the 2729 02:14:52.560 --> 02:14:54.840 studio fair enough. Well, we'll make it work. 2730 02:14:55.159 --> 02:14:57.319 Don mcchenry is your newest member of the Utah men's 2731 02:14:57.359 --> 02:15:00.880 basketball program. The news was announced ab two hours ago. 2732 02:15:01.039 --> 02:15:05.319 Seventeen points three boards to assist for Western Kentucky. Dorian 2733 02:15:05.399 --> 02:15:09.119 Singer has signed an undrafted deal with the Las Vegas Raiders, 2734 02:15:09.119 --> 02:15:12.439 So little little bit of breaking news as we sign 2735 02:15:12.479 --> 02:15:15.000 off for this Monday, All right, Porter, what comes our way? 2736 02:15:15.039 --> 02:15:17.159 On a busy Tuesday edition of the show. 2737 02:15:17.399 --> 02:15:20.479 On a Tuesday show, Tim mcban stops by for the 2738 02:15:20.560 --> 02:15:23.840 NBA Daily Assist, of course, talking NBA playoffs and the 2739 02:15:24.159 --> 02:15:28.880 latest in the association. Kaylin Jones our old friend, a 2740 02:15:28.880 --> 02:15:31.119 bunch of different stops Kaylen's had, but currently right now 2741 02:15:31.159 --> 02:15:34.560 doing untold with Netflix. On the sports side, Dave Fox 2742 02:15:34.840 --> 02:15:37.640 stops by as he does each and every other Tuesday, 2743 02:15:37.640 --> 02:15:40.680 and then we'll hit some NFL Draft topics. Apparently those 2744 02:15:40.680 --> 02:15:43.760 guys are pretty busy these last forty eight hours, so 2745 02:15:44.039 --> 02:15:48.600 we'll hopefully talk with either Thorne Eystrom or potentially Field 2746 02:15:48.680 --> 02:15:51.800 Yates tomorrow. Nice working on some times with those guys, 2747 02:15:51.800 --> 02:15:54.640 so we'll continue the draft coverage. 2748 02:15:54.800 --> 02:15:59.279 Field Yates the human boat shoe boat shoe, Yeah right, 2749 02:15:59.359 --> 02:16:02.800 like like the Sperry's a lot of aggressive vineyard vines 2750 02:16:02.840 --> 02:16:03.880 for our guy, Field Gates. 2751 02:16:03.960 --> 02:16:06.800 Yes, you knew a lot of Field Yates. 2752 02:16:06.520 --> 02:16:09.359 Coroda, Oh I did, surrounded by them, yes, no doubt? 2753 02:16:09.439 --> 02:16:11.359 Oh yeah, Greg, And does a really good job be great. 2754 02:16:11.720 --> 02:16:14.399 I've never interviewed Field that'd be fun. All right, will 2755 02:16:14.399 --> 02:16:16.520 Sega and I special thank you today to Matt Brown, 2756 02:16:16.640 --> 02:16:19.680 to Richard Smith, to Sam Junka, as well as the 2757 02:16:20.239 --> 02:16:23.640 legend himself, John Paul JP Chunga for to the sound 2758 02:16:23.680 --> 02:16:26.520 you may miss from the program today. The website ESPN 2759 02:16:26.600 --> 02:16:29.640 seven hundred sports dot com, download our mobile app and 2760 02:16:29.680 --> 02:16:31.920 take us on the go. The ESPN seven hundred app 2761 02:16:31.960 --> 02:16:34.000 is available for free in the App Store in the 2762 02:16:34.000 --> 02:16:36.159 Google play Store. Then, finally, for what we do in 2763 02:16:36.200 --> 02:16:39.600 our space for four hours every afternoon, check out our 2764 02:16:39.600 --> 02:16:42.079 podcast page which is called wait for it, the Drive 2765 02:16:42.120 --> 02:16:46.520 with Spence. Check it's available wherever you get your show. Subscribe, rate, review, 2766 02:16:46.639 --> 02:16:48.399 and say nice things in the comments. Give us all 2767 02:16:48.440 --> 02:16:50.760 the stars. It does help for porter. I'm spencing tonight, 2768 02:16:51.200 --> 02:16:53.440 Joyce some good playoff basketball tonight. We'll talk to you 2769 02:16:53.520 --> 02:16:55.159 on a Tuesday Drive. As always, you know where to 2770 02:16:55.159 --> 02:16:57.840 find that. It's right here on ESPN seven hundred and 2771 02:16:57.879 --> 02:16:59.399 ninety two and FM. We are proud to be part 2772 02:16:59.399 --> 02:17:01.600 of utah Z ESPN Radio Network