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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What what's gonna happen?

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<v Speaker 3>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>What I help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I got the Spiritual Gangster Teresa with me co hosting,

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<v Speaker 2>and I also got my boy Mike Magic Mike as

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<v Speaker 2>some people may know of him. I got all of

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<v Speaker 2>them coming on with me today on The Occult Rejects,

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<v Speaker 2>and we got to guest. Uh, you know, I always

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<v Speaker 2>love having this guy on. We always have amazing chats

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<v Speaker 2>and uh yeah, I mean he's even inspired me to

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<v Speaker 2>start doing stuff in filming. I think he does amazing work.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I really can't say enough. We got called

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<v Speaker 2>the Crusher on with us tonight. But before we get

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<v Speaker 2>to them, I do want to let Teresa and Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa plug themselves. Teresa, let everybody know where they can

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<v Speaker 2>find you, and you know, all your other stuff or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want to plug.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, people can find me on the Spiritual Gangsters podcast,

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<v Speaker 4>which is YouTube and all the usual places people listen

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<v Speaker 4>to podcasts, and also on Instagram and x at t

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<v Speaker 4>s gangster spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, and I'm pretty sure your links

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<v Speaker 2>are still on my link tree. So if people want

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<v Speaker 2>to go check out his stuff. Her links are in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike, I guess I mean real quick, if you want,

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<v Speaker 2>you can plug your social media and whatever shows that

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<v Speaker 2>you've been on that you'd like to promote.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if you want to get a hold of me

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<v Speaker 5>Magic with two k's, Mike with two k's and two

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<v Speaker 5>e's at x dot com. Yeah, I'm sorry, I've been

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<v Speaker 5>on Subconscious Realms in the Day's Radio and Threshold Saints

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<v Speaker 5>with our friend, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, you would just dropped. Did you just drop on

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<v Speaker 2>gins recently? You did? Right?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that one's drop Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think like a week or two or ago. Yeah. Nice. Nice, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so people go definitely go check that out. And no,

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<v Speaker 2>Magic Mike does not have an only fins. Sorry, don't go.

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<v Speaker 1>By that name.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd probably assume you would, right, Yeah, sorry to disappoint.

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<v Speaker 3>You, ladies.

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness. But now finally finally to the guest, my

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<v Speaker 2>man call again, thank you so much for coming back on.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you please let everybody know because I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 2>new listeners since the last time you've been on. Let

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<v Speaker 2>everybody know, like what your deal is and who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I go by Carl Crusher. My real name is

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<v Speaker 3>Carl Andreson. I'm a full time filmmaker, YouTube content creator,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just explore the mysteries of UFOs paranormal locations,

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<v Speaker 3>places like Skinwalker Ranch, Area fifty one, Project, Hestlin and

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<v Speaker 3>Norway all over the place now cently a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do with drones and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of my life story comes up

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<v Speaker 3>in the mix of all of that and research and

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<v Speaker 3>everything too.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's been really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't. Thank you very much, Carl. Yeah, I at

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<v Speaker 2>least suggest to go check out his channel. He has

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<v Speaker 2>some real amazing work out there. This some stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen him post and I'm just like, yo, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know what the hell that is like to me,

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<v Speaker 2>it's some real wild paranormals, some sort of evidence. Guys

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<v Speaker 2>got stuff on the film. Definitely go check it out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll just be honest with you. Just this guy

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<v Speaker 2>in a fake either so you know, this is my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's some real weird shit he's got on film.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, if you're into the whole skin Skinwalker Ranch,

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<v Speaker 2>also Mount Wilson you've been to, and plus plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>other places yeah, check it out. Uh yeah, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I know we might end up getting into

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<v Speaker 2>the drones. Maybe I'm finally gonna kind of get you

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<v Speaker 2>on for a topic. I think it was the last

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<v Speaker 2>two times I was gonna have you on, but then

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<v Speaker 2>you ended up having stuff that I was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we got to talk about this instead. Finally kind of

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<v Speaker 2>got you on to talk a little bit about I

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<v Speaker 2>guess you know your experience with Mormonism. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you have mentioned on the show before. It's never been

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<v Speaker 2>something you've hidden. You've always been open about being the

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<v Speaker 2>next Mormon. Uh. And I guess maybe maybe some of

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<v Speaker 2>the listeners maybe don't remember or whatever, but uh, or

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<v Speaker 2>even really even heard you mention it. But maybe if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't mind, I mean, maybe we can go into,

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<v Speaker 2>like I guess, a little bit of how you got

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<v Speaker 2>into it, and then I guess, you know, wherever you

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<v Speaker 2>want to go from there, tell you a story however

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<v Speaker 2>it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, I mean specifically being I was born as a

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<v Speaker 3>member of the the what they refer to.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very specific.

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<v Speaker 3>They want you to call them the Church of Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>Christ of Latter day Saints. They don't like being called Mormons.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's like a new thing because when I was

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<v Speaker 3>growing up and all through high school, the current president

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<v Speaker 3>of the church and the prophet, Gordon B. Hinckley, he

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<v Speaker 3>was all proud of it, and he had an entire

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<v Speaker 3>campaign called Meet the Mormons and Mormon dot org and

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<v Speaker 3>they had tired documentaries about Mormonism and being proud of

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<v Speaker 3>that name. And then there was kind of some infighting

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<v Speaker 3>the new prophet was sustained Nelson, he went on this

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<v Speaker 3>whole campaign to undo all that and saying that that

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<v Speaker 3>we cannot replace the name of Jesus by nicknames with

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<v Speaker 3>Mormonism and all that, we have to stick with the

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<v Speaker 3>official name. But a lot of that came down to

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<v Speaker 3>just like the legal legalization of the corporate logo and

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<v Speaker 3>name so that they could control their their trademarks and things,

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<v Speaker 3>and when you look into it, actually, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>and it was just kind of an interesting thing because

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<v Speaker 3>my like we've talked about how I'm involved in the

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<v Speaker 3>paranormal research and UFOs and abduction studies and all that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of paranormal phenomena, and so being raised as a

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<v Speaker 3>member of the Mormon Church, there was always this divide.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a gulf in between what I was personally

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<v Speaker 3>experiencing in my own life when I would go to

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<v Speaker 3>of the teachings and the way that I was taught.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, some of it makes sense because Mormonism

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<v Speaker 3>they definitely believe that there is extraterrestrial life and that

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<v Speaker 3>the spirit world and ghosts and the spirits of the

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<v Speaker 3>dead or right here among us, And that was all

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<v Speaker 3>baked into me. Like the Mormon Church, they're very active

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<v Speaker 3>and even doing like temple work and rituals for the

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<v Speaker 3>salvation of dead souls, like all of the big temples

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<v Speaker 3>that they build for billions of dollars. Millions of dollars

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<v Speaker 3>they construct these temples everywhere is specifically for members of

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<v Speaker 3>the church to go in there and to do rituals

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<v Speaker 3>for dead spirits. And they believe that those spirits are

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<v Speaker 3>there witnessing the rituals or participating or even joining in them.

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<v Speaker 3>And so this whole idea from my upbringing that there

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<v Speaker 3>was this invisible spirit world around us, and all of

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<v Speaker 3>that was all kind of baked into me, but that

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<v Speaker 3>still didn't make sense. Like when I would have an

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<v Speaker 3>experience in my bedroom at night what you would consider

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<v Speaker 3>like a classic abduction scenario that didn't jive.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't really fit.

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<v Speaker 3>The entities that I was encountering didn't make any sense

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<v Speaker 1>And so what happened with that, Like when I would

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<v Speaker 3>Sleep paralysis incident, I would wake up like paralyzed in

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<v Speaker 3>my bedroom and I can just look around and I

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<v Speaker 3>would sense that there was like an entity in the corner,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes even see them and have these whole bizarre experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>And what the church gave me to deal with.

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<v Speaker 3>That, as far as the teachings, was that something was

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<v Speaker 3>wrong with me, like I was a bad kid, like

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<v Speaker 3>I had committed a sin, or I had done something wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>and so these evil spirits were now going to torment me.

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<v Speaker 3>So the advice that I was given when I would

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<v Speaker 3>try to bring this stuff up what was happening was

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<v Speaker 3>basically make sure to say your prayers, read your scriptures,

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<v Speaker 3>and ultimately, for me personally, that was very unreliable and

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<v Speaker 3>didn't prevent anything from happening any of the experiences from

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<v Speaker 3>happening in my life. And then as I got older,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a lot of the now in my current research.

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<v Speaker 3>When I go out and I study ancient history, the

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<v Speaker 3>Native American indigenous people groups and their clans and teachings,

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<v Speaker 3>and I started looking at that history, I realized that

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<v Speaker 3>the foundations of the Church were in direct conflict with that,

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<v Speaker 3>and that when the Mormon Church, through Brigham Young, moved west,

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<v Speaker 3>they exterminate, exterminated a lot of Native American tribes and

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<v Speaker 3>got involved in the in the trafficking of them and

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<v Speaker 3>slave trading and all that, and so that really was

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<v Speaker 3>in conflict with who I am and my personal beliefs

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<v Speaker 3>and all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I ultimately real quick before I went too far,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wondering, I've came across something. I'm wondering if maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you happen to know about it. Do you ever remember

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<v Speaker 2>do you know about the Meadow Mountains Massacre?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's just like about thirty minute drive from my

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<v Speaker 3>house here. Yeah, I've done a video there before, I've

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<v Speaker 3>even gone and done paranormal investigating in that spot.

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<v Speaker 1>As yeah, a terrible tragedy.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happened was when the when the Mormon Pioneers

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<v Speaker 3>moved west and they set up in the Salt Lake

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<v Speaker 3>Valley that was technically Mexico Territory still it wasn't even

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<v Speaker 3>part of the United States yet, and so they basically

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<v Speaker 3>moved in and the Church inserted themselves right next to

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<v Speaker 3>the Tempanogus tribe, the Ute tribe, the Northern Paiute, and

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<v Speaker 3>the Shish and basically just built a city right in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of these tribes that had been there for

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<v Speaker 3>ten thirteen thousand years, you know, and started to build

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<v Speaker 3>a community. And they were afraid because their founder, Joseph

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<v Speaker 3>Smith had just been murdered in Carthage prison back in Navu.

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<v Speaker 3>They were afraid that like the army or other haters

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<v Speaker 3>of the Church were going to come into Salt Lake

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<v Speaker 3>Valley and like cause a war or wipe them out

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever. So the Mountain Metals Massacre happened because there

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<v Speaker 3>you know, gold prospectors, settlers, farmers, and there was women

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<v Speaker 3>and children and everything. But these Mormon pioneers in the

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<v Speaker 3>and Utah. They saw the caravan coming and thought that

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<v Speaker 3>an assumed that they were enemy scouts or part of

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<v Speaker 3>the US Army coming to scout out the Salt Lake

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<v Speaker 3>Valley to stage in attack. So Brigham Young basically ordered

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<v Speaker 3>wipe them out, and they did. They basically dressed up

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<v Speaker 3>in costumes and pretended to be the Piute, so they

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<v Speaker 3>dressed up like Native Americans, and then they surrounded the

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<v Speaker 3>wagon train, murdered all the men, assaulted the women, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they separated the women and the men and the kids,

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<v Speaker 3>who are still upset because there's branches of their family

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not the only time that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>is exactly where BYU University was built. So when you

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<v Speaker 3>football every year, that football stadium is literally built in

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<v Speaker 3>the parking lot right on top of where they slaughtered

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<v Speaker 3>they don't like to talk about that. So when I

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<v Speaker 3>But obviously when like when I was a kid growing up,

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<v Speaker 3>the church, believed that it was true, had this entire

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<v Speaker 3>to join the church to relieve the curse and to

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<v Speaker 3>become white again, and all this kind of stuff. But see,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like raised in that culture just like you

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<v Speaker 3>would get raised on an island, and had no idea

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<v Speaker 3>of the outside world. This was before the internet, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>so just like in a little village in Idaho, had

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<v Speaker 1>Of that wasn't true.

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<v Speaker 3>So even at a young age, I was doing these

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<v Speaker 3>rituals for the dead in the temple and.

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean my neighbor family and friends of mine

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<v Speaker 3>were part of the Indian adoption program in the eighties

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<v Speaker 3>when they were still human trafficking Native Americans in the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighties and stuff. And anyway, my whole childhood was

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<v Speaker 1>And Mormons don't look at it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, you can leave any time that you want,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's so many layers and levels of family pressure,

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual pressure, all of that stuff to where it makes

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<v Speaker 3>it almost impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you leave the church, you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Never going to get into heaven, You're not not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be with your family together forever or any of that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all these you know, punishments that incur if you leave.

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<v Speaker 3>So technically I'm now as an ex Mormon, considered in

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<v Speaker 3>like an anti Mormon because I'm like against the corruption

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<v Speaker 3>and all the things that happened. But yeah, it's been

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<v Speaker 3>the been an interesting road to try and sort out

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<v Speaker 3>from my childhood all the way up.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, we can.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk about any of that that you want. We can

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<v Speaker 3>get into the temple stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the weird some of this. Yeah, participated in question.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool, Yeah, Mike, you go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it was just gonna ask about so Salt Lake

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<v Speaker 5>why they settled that area and they were looking for

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<v Speaker 5>ancient civilizations and they believe is it true that they

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<v Speaker 5>believed that that was a place in the ancient past

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<v Speaker 5>that had some huge city on it or something is

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<v Speaker 5>out of a legend.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of there's some weird levels to that. Like they

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<v Speaker 3>believe that the entire like American continent, North and South America,

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<v Speaker 3>is that the history is completely alternative than what everybody

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<v Speaker 3>else believes. So the Mormon Church, they their primary book

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<v Speaker 3>of scripture is called the Book of Mormon, and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if you actually know what that is, but

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<v Speaker 3>basically they believe that while everything was going on in

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible over in the area of like Egypt and

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<v Speaker 3>the Middle East, in Jerusalem, and all the events were

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<v Speaker 3>happening over there during the biblical times that simultaneously there

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<v Speaker 3>had to have been people.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here in the American continent, and where is their

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<v Speaker 1>book of scripture? How come?

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<v Speaker 3>How come like Jesus was only born and visited the

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<v Speaker 3>people over in Israel. How come he didn't visit and

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<v Speaker 3>teach the people? Does he not care about the indigenous

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<v Speaker 3>people here? So the idea is that the founder of Mormonism,

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<v Speaker 3>when he was a young man, was basically guided by

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<v Speaker 3>visions and an angel and actually doing like remote viewing

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<v Speaker 3>with a rock and a hat like a seerstone. He

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<v Speaker 3>was doing occult rituals and channeling these spirits and God

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<v Speaker 3>and angels and all these things. And he claims that

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<v Speaker 3>he was guided to a hillside where this book of

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<v Speaker 3>gold was buried, where these ancient people who lived in

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<v Speaker 3>America buried this book. And it's in upstate New York,

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<v Speaker 3>on the on the hill Camorra they call it. And anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>the story is that so he goes there, follows the

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<v Speaker 3>vision and sure enough finds the book buried in the

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<v Speaker 3>ground in a box and it's a book made of

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<v Speaker 3>gold pages, and it's written in this reformed Egyptian and

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<v Speaker 3>then he uses the rock and a hat and translates

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<v Speaker 3>it from this Egyptian language and reformed mixed Hebrew Egyptian

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<v Speaker 3>into English, and now it's the true history of North

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<v Speaker 3>and South America and the Native American people that he

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<v Speaker 3>found buried in the hillside in upstate New York. And

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<v Speaker 3>the story of that book is supposed to be about

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<v Speaker 3>a family that basically leaves Jerusalem in six hundred BC.

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<v Speaker 3>They build a boat, they come over on the ocean

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<v Speaker 3>land in somewhere like Guatemala, and then they become all

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<v Speaker 3>of the Native Americans, and or not all of them,

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<v Speaker 3>but they used to teach that they were all the

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<v Speaker 3>Native Americans, the principal ancestors, they said. But now they

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<v Speaker 3>just say, oh, they were among the Native Americans. But

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<v Speaker 3>the whole book is supposed to that's what they claim.

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<v Speaker 3>They're one of the lost tribes that Lehi and his

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<v Speaker 3>family came over ended in America. And then as they

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<v Speaker 3>spread there was two groups, like the righteous group and

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<v Speaker 3>the wicked group. Because the family like split in half,

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<v Speaker 3>and the people that became wicked all got cursed with

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<v Speaker 1>That we know today.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the story of the whole book. That's how the

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<v Speaker 3>white people and the brown people through the whole book

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<v Speaker 3>go to war. The white people are the righteous ones,

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<v Speaker 3>the brown people are the ones with the curse. And

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<v Speaker 3>the entire books about the white and the browns fighting

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<v Speaker 3>each other. Yeah, there fights in the uh N fights

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<v Speaker 3>and lamani its, you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always found that interesting too, with lamb

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<v Speaker 2>in there. I don't know, there was it was there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of weird things believing in that. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking into when you know, Mormonism started popping

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<v Speaker 2>up and skimwok a Ranch we were recovering Skinwalking Ranch.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a lot of weird things that almost seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like like I wondered if Alista Crowley actually like ripped

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<v Speaker 2>off shit from like Mormons. It was just really weird

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<v Speaker 2>how I started seeing certain things. I was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>connection is uncanny.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the same kind of like, uh, well, Joseph Smith

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<v Speaker 3>was doing an Okian magic and the Mormons don't know that.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I didn't realize that until I was out of

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<v Speaker 3>the church a couple of years, and I started looking

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<v Speaker 3>into remote viewing and telepathy and different research like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and I came across.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Ed Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>And uh Man, I can't remember the other guy's name, John,

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<v Speaker 3>but they h John Lee, Yeah, and they uh John

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<v Speaker 1>You're right.

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<v Speaker 3>And they developed a Nokian magic where you basically look

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<v Speaker 3>into a crystal ball or a stone, and they uh

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<v Speaker 3>would channel these entities or aliens that they believed were angels,

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<v Speaker 3>and ultimately they ended up cheating on each other's wives.

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<v Speaker 3>One of them went to prison and then died jumping

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<v Speaker 3>out of a window.

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<v Speaker 1>And then all that same thing happened. Joseph Smith con holy.

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<v Speaker 2>Crap, there is some weird there's some weird connections like

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<v Speaker 2>that only crap.

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<v Speaker 3>But a rock and a hat used it, just like

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<v Speaker 3>an Okian magic was channeling to translate ancient texts.

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<v Speaker 2>Just that that I had already realized. Yeah it was.

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<v Speaker 2>He was basically scrying in.

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<v Speaker 3>A hat, scrying in a hat, yeah, and then aimately

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<v Speaker 3>marrying little kids, cheating on his wife, having multiple affairs,

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<v Speaker 3>and then gets murdered jumping out of prison window, just

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<v Speaker 3>like just like Ed Kelly did.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And that glass that day, were you using just scrying?

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<v Speaker 5>A lot came from the Aztec Empire, came from on

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<v Speaker 5>a zuma John.

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<v Speaker 1>D Yeah, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a little connection there too.

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<v Speaker 1>It was wasn't it a black obsidian mirror? Yep? I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a black mirror, like an obsidian mirror.

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<v Speaker 3>Joseph Smith used a brown searstone and the church still

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<v Speaker 3>has it today. The current prophet today, President Nelson, has

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<v Speaker 3>made videos where he's pulled it out and shown it

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<v Speaker 3>on camera and even kind of demonstrated.

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<v Speaker 1>How it used to be used.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, so I don't know, maybe Joseph Smith actually

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<v Speaker 3>was doing like remote viewing or a scrying and tapping

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<v Speaker 3>into that occult magic. But the truth is is that

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<v Speaker 3>you're not talking to angels from heaven when you're doing

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<v Speaker 3>that stuff. You're talking to trickster entities, the same kind

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff you run into at same lock a ranch

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<v Speaker 3>and whatnot. That's going to lead you down a certain path,

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<v Speaker 3>to make you think that you're getting answers to your

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<v Speaker 3>questions and like you're the chosen one, and ultimately they

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<v Speaker 3>puff up your ego and then tear you down. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like a whole they call it the trickster phenomenon now,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that's ultimately what happened to him.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was going to ask you, Carl, like, do

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<v Speaker 4>you still have the sleep paralysis now?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you grow out of that or like, well, it's

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<v Speaker 3>more intentional now, Like now I use the sleep paralysis

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<v Speaker 3>intentionally as a tool. When I was a kid, it

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<v Speaker 3>was something that would just happen to me. I would

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<v Speaker 3>go to bed and I couldn't anticipate it or predict it.

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<v Speaker 3>There was just certain nights where I would have the

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<v Speaker 3>experience and then go like out of body and exceed

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<v Speaker 3>these things and have these encounters. And now I specifically

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<v Speaker 3>do like gateway meditations to initiate those when I have

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<v Speaker 3>the paralysis. It's like a launching point to go out

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<v Speaker 3>of body into.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, so you're able to like use it more.

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<v Speaker 4>I was gonna say, I'd be very curious to like

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<v Speaker 4>take a pull of Mormons and see how many Mormons

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<v Speaker 4>have suffered from that, because I'm just wondering, like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>they're like, say your prayers more, do this do that?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, but are the prayers the thing that is

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<v Speaker 4>opening the door to the entities and to the sleep

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<v Speaker 4>paralysis because maybe you know, if they're set up by

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<v Speaker 4>Joseph Smith and then in tradition like passed down and

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<v Speaker 4>he was, you know, contacting whatever he was contacting, maybe

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00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.599
<v Speaker 4>it's like just making the problem worse. I don't know,

428
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<v Speaker 4>it could be saying.

429
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<v Speaker 3>I found personally that like Mormons are very ritualized, and

430
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<v Speaker 3>they're very systematic, meaning like even the way that they pray,

431
00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.720
<v Speaker 3>when they pray at church and all that is very patterned,

432
00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:08.400
<v Speaker 3>like there's a specific beginning, a formula that you follow,

433
00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:10.599
<v Speaker 3>and like an ending how you're supposed to do it.

434
00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:14.359
<v Speaker 3>And what I ultimately found was that like the way

435
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:17.480
<v Speaker 3>that I was taught to pray in the Mormon Church

436
00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:24.640
<v Speaker 3>is a lot of like asking, needing, begging kind of,

437
00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:28.400
<v Speaker 3>and ultimately I've realized is like a negative energy. So

438
00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.880
<v Speaker 3>like if you're into manifestation and stuff like that, it's

439
00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:35.200
<v Speaker 3>almost like a roadblock. So the way that Mormons teach

440
00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.519
<v Speaker 3>you to pray, it's almost more like a deadener or

441
00:23:37.559 --> 00:23:39.559
<v Speaker 3>a roadblock. As soon as I got out of that

442
00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:43.640
<v Speaker 3>and started doing more like transcendental meditation, it changed everything

443
00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:48.440
<v Speaker 3>that was way more connected than the Mormon prayer was

444
00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:49.359
<v Speaker 3>for me, you.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Know, it's interesting that you say that, Sorry, it's interrupted

446
00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:56.160
<v Speaker 2>to reason. It's interestingly did you say that, because you know,

447
00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.160
<v Speaker 2>I've made kind of comments about that with doing rituals

448
00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:02.119
<v Speaker 2>in magic. You know, if I'm going to be constantly

449
00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.720
<v Speaker 2>invoking like Hath or toth risis and asking them to

450
00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:07.480
<v Speaker 2>do something and like giving them stuff and you know,

451
00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.440
<v Speaker 2>talking to them for twenty minutes, you know, this big

452
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:13.440
<v Speaker 2>poetic thing I'm asking you to help me with, Like,

453
00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:14.599
<v Speaker 2>am I still a slave?

454
00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

455
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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's kind of the thing is, like I

456
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:22.599
<v Speaker 3>realize there's these certain tricks in a lot of organized

457
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:24.039
<v Speaker 3>religion that are.

458
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<v Speaker 1>Difficult to catch.

459
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:27.759
<v Speaker 3>Like you're raised as a child in our culture like

460
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<v Speaker 3>that faith and hope are these good things. They're positive

461
00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:34.359
<v Speaker 3>energies in your life, like to keep up your hope

462
00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:37.680
<v Speaker 3>and keep up your faith. But ultimately, if you're in

463
00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.480
<v Speaker 3>a cult, being faithful is equal to being gullible.

464
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<v Speaker 1>It's not a good thing.

465
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<v Speaker 3>Like being faithful is just being gullible at a certain level.

466
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<v Speaker 3>And hoping and hoping is also a certain level of

467
00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:56.079
<v Speaker 3>begging and needing and lacking, and ultimately you're just projecting

468
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.440
<v Speaker 3>out an energy of not having it and needing it

469
00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.440
<v Speaker 3>and wanting it, when really what faith is supposed to

470
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:07.880
<v Speaker 3>be is having full confidence that God in the universe

471
00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:12.000
<v Speaker 3>has got you. Don't worry, move forward and be confident

472
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:15.000
<v Speaker 3>and trust. You're not supposed to even need to beg

473
00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.359
<v Speaker 3>or hope or want or feel like you're missing out.

474
00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.559
<v Speaker 3>Like if you just get up in the morning and

475
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:24.519
<v Speaker 3>know that the universe and the fates are in your

476
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:29.119
<v Speaker 3>favor and that God is on your side, then why

477
00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:32.119
<v Speaker 3>are you even worried? You know, why are you even

478
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.759
<v Speaker 3>asking for anything? Nothing can ever be out of place.

479
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 3>Everything is just how it's supposed to be right, like

480
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.119
<v Speaker 3>there's no mistakes if you're really faithful. And so somehow

481
00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.720
<v Speaker 3>they invert it and they turn it into this kind

482
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 3>of neediness, and then they say, well, we're the ones

483
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.119
<v Speaker 3>that can give you the solutions. You come through us

484
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:55.119
<v Speaker 3>and do our rituals, pay our tithing, and be worthy

485
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.839
<v Speaker 3>within our pyramid, and that's how you how you resolve

486
00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:00.359
<v Speaker 3>that guilt and how you feel better.

487
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:00.759
<v Speaker 1>You know.

488
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.240
<v Speaker 3>So they try to make you feel broken and then

489
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.319
<v Speaker 3>they are the ones that can give you the solution,

490
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 3>like a hospital that wants to keep you sick.

491
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:16.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, I just put uh just

492
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.920
<v Speaker 4>put in the chat. The passage from the Gospel of

493
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 4>Mark chapter eleven, is like Jesus saying, therefore, I tell

494
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:25.480
<v Speaker 4>you whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you

495
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:27.880
<v Speaker 4>have received it, and it will be yours. So it's

496
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:31.799
<v Speaker 4>like we're saying, Carlice, to already have the certainty and

497
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:34.720
<v Speaker 4>trust of what you've asked. Like trust and surrender is

498
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:35.440
<v Speaker 4>very difficult.

499
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's surrendering and just fully trusting that you've got

500
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.559
<v Speaker 3>it already. It's already destined, like there's nothing can be

501
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:46.079
<v Speaker 3>out of place, and that's what faith is supposed to be.

502
00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, somehow they invert that and make it like

503
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.000
<v Speaker 3>there's holes in you and so you've got to rely

504
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 3>upon them and it creates codependence instead.

505
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah see that.

506
00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that was like my whole childhood, like from

507
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 3>the time I was eight all the way up. You know,

508
00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 3>like they do baptisms on kids when you're eight years old,

509
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:09.559
<v Speaker 3>so they don't wait for you to be an adult

510
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.640
<v Speaker 3>and choose your own faith. Like when you're eight, you

511
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:14.920
<v Speaker 3>go an interview with the bishop that you go down

512
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 3>the checklist and then you're baptized. But when they do that,

513
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 3>you know they do rituals where they they insert the

514
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Holy Ghost into your subconscious where they give you blessings.

515
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.960
<v Speaker 3>And after the ritual, like the priests put their hands

516
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 3>on your head and they even say, like I say,

517
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:36.000
<v Speaker 3>unto you, receive the Holy ghosts. And the ideas is

518
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.599
<v Speaker 3>that the Holy Ghost, this unnamed unknown personage then basically

519
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:44.759
<v Speaker 3>enters you, like possesses you, and is an aspect of

520
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 3>God or the spirit of God that basically watches you

521
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 3>twenty four seven, reads your thoughts or emotions and all

522
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 3>of that and reports back to God. So it's like

523
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 3>you're embedded with a spiritual like a spy inside your subconscious.

524
00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:01.480
<v Speaker 3>So basically, from a time I was eight years old

525
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:05.359
<v Speaker 3>all the way up, it was taught to me that

526
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.599
<v Speaker 3>instead of just having my own thoughts and emotions in

527
00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:12.400
<v Speaker 3>my head, there's this extra entity or spirit there that's

528
00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 3>always watching over me.

529
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Always.

530
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:19.559
<v Speaker 3>They're always analyzing and testing whether I'm faithful or not.

531
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 3>And so it's like you have this little Jiminy cricket

532
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, from the church that's in your subconscious, like

533
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.480
<v Speaker 3>checking you whether you're you're taking all your steps right,

534
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.559
<v Speaker 3>whether you're you're being a good boy, you know. And

535
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 3>to me like even that when I got out of

536
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:41.119
<v Speaker 3>the church as an adult, started learning meditation and realizing, like,

537
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:43.359
<v Speaker 3>all those thoughts and emotions in my head are just

538
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.160
<v Speaker 3>like an energy that I can go quiet, or I

539
00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 3>can turn on and off, or actually guide and controlled.

540
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 3>And suddenly it's like, okay, so there's not all these

541
00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:55.599
<v Speaker 3>invisible spirits and entities inside of me and attached to me,

542
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 3>and the thoughts in my head aren't different voices.

543
00:28:58.039 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like a counterfeit skitz of.

544
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 3>Frind of it almost, where you have a thought in

545
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:04.720
<v Speaker 3>your head and you don't know if it's coming from

546
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:07.960
<v Speaker 3>the Holy Ghost, if it's coming from Satan trying to

547
00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:11.960
<v Speaker 3>trick you, if you're being tempted by evil spirits trying

548
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 3>to persuade you. And so suddenly it's like you're surrounded

549
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.000
<v Speaker 3>by all these other things pulling at.

550
00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 1>You, these invisible energies.

551
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.000
<v Speaker 3>And ultimately, when you get out of the church and

552
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:24.799
<v Speaker 3>just like go sit by the river and clear your thoughts,

553
00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 3>you realize all of that is just something that they

554
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.200
<v Speaker 3>put into your head as a delusion to keep you

555
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.079
<v Speaker 3>co dependent. Where like, in order to get control of

556
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 3>your thoughts and emotions, you got to go back and

557
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:39.839
<v Speaker 3>keep doing the prayers.

558
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Keep doing the rituals.

559
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 3>You got to steal, so you've got to follow the

560
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:46.759
<v Speaker 3>program or or all of that can get out of whack.

561
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:46.799
<v Speaker 1>You know.

562
00:29:47.240 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 3>And it's like it's really similar to scientology, and like

563
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:51.359
<v Speaker 3>trying to stay clear.

564
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Or go clear.

565
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, you have to go you use the e

566
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:56.599
<v Speaker 3>meters and constantly do interviews and make sure you're not

567
00:29:56.839 --> 00:30:01.119
<v Speaker 3>possessed by a theta, a bad theta entity inside your subconscious.

568
00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.880
<v Speaker 3>It's very similar, just under different different approach.

569
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 4>Did you sleep paralysis start at eight?

570
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:16.359
<v Speaker 1>I think my whoa, it did? See whoa? Yeah, they

571
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 1>put it in you.

572
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.119
<v Speaker 4>There you go. That's what happened.

573
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>The first incident I had I was ten.

574
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.680
<v Speaker 3>The first I was actually at a friend's house and

575
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 3>him and I had an abduction encounter together. And then

576
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:32.039
<v Speaker 3>after that experience, I started having sleep paralysis.

577
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.559
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I'm just saying you're.

578
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 3>Right, so maybe something like that, because I mean, I

579
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 3>do believe that there is other dimensions of reality alongside

580
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:44.799
<v Speaker 3>of us. I do believe that there are spirits of

581
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.200
<v Speaker 3>the dead and consciousness that exists in invisible realms around us.

582
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.799
<v Speaker 3>I do believe that, and I still go out and

583
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:54.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm involved in that in my work. But when you

584
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.839
<v Speaker 3>put it into the context where like your dad and

585
00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 3>your religious leaders are all standing around you and putting

586
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 3>one of those spirits inside of you as an eight

587
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.559
<v Speaker 3>year old kid, I mean, that's gonna change the way

588
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:07.200
<v Speaker 3>you see.

589
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.759
<v Speaker 4>The world, you know, ye, well, and they're literally calling

590
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.559
<v Speaker 4>it into existence and giving it permission, like the spirit

591
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 4>wal I think is very legalistic. So that's a direct order,

592
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 4>say a Okay, I don't know, and so.

593
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I'd have those sleep proalysis incidents and then

594
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:32.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, so what is this?

595
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 1>You know?

596
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:36.440
<v Speaker 3>This isn't the Holy ghost, This isn't like my my

597
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 3>great grandpa or an angel. This is like a goblin

598
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 3>showing up and dragging me down a tunnel, you know,

599
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 3>like or aliens taking me on a spaceship.

600
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>How does this make any sense?

601
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Like?

602
00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I didn't. It never made any sense with what I

603
00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>was taught at church. Never did.

604
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:53.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, wild.

605
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:58.640
<v Speaker 3>You know what's interesting though, is that at a core

606
00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:02.160
<v Speaker 3>of the beliefs in Mormonism, when you when you're really

607
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Speaker 3>a member and you actually know, uh, the God of

608
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:11.079
<v Speaker 3>Mormonism is actually a man and he was a man

609
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.480
<v Speaker 3>that just like you and I a normal mortal human

610
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:18.039
<v Speaker 3>being that lived on another planet in a in a

611
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:23.759
<v Speaker 3>star system where their son is called Kolob, and so

612
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.480
<v Speaker 3>it's like another planet out in the Solar system. So

613
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:30.319
<v Speaker 3>technically the god of Mormonism is an alien man named

614
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 3>Elo him and he lives in the Kolob star system,

615
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 3>and he talks to the prophet through a rock and

616
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:43.319
<v Speaker 3>a hat technically, and he's an alien, you know, technically

617
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:46.559
<v Speaker 3>he's you know, so it's it's all, it's all kind

618
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.319
<v Speaker 3>of in there, maybe.

619
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:52.319
<v Speaker 4>Sending the drones over New Jersey too, But I don't know.

620
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:56.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, this this is really interesting because I believe

621
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:58.519
<v Speaker 2>it in that I never actually knew like the full

622
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:03.119
<v Speaker 2>idea behind quatsic coodle. Now I do know, And then

623
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:05.119
<v Speaker 2>this is maybe maybe you can shed some light on

624
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.599
<v Speaker 2>this as well. I do know, me and a color

625
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.680
<v Speaker 2>of a couple other cult rejects are like stuck on

626
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure this out. Do you know what the

627
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:17.119
<v Speaker 2>deal is with I know in some Mormons, maybe it's

628
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 2>like an offshoot of a certain belief or maybe more

629
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:24.440
<v Speaker 2>evolved like involved in like Freemasons, and are Mormons the

630
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>idea with them in quatsaicotal I like, I've even came

631
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 2>across tours where it's just for Mormons to go to

632
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the pyramid, and now thinking about how Quatza Cotals showed

633
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>up to that tribe, I'm like, well, that's not too

634
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>far off. How they're how Mormons are viewing their dude,

635
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>some guy that came from in the sky.

636
00:33:48.400 --> 00:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, totally.

637
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.039
<v Speaker 3>So they think that the legend of Catziquattal is from

638
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:56.880
<v Speaker 3>when Jesus came after his resurrection and visited the people

639
00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 3>of the city.

640
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Of Zarahimla in the Book of Mormon.

641
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.920
<v Speaker 3>So they believe that in Guatemala where all those Mayan

642
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.440
<v Speaker 3>and Aztec temples are built, where they worship Cetzequal, they

643
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 3>think that that is the ancient city of Zara Himla

644
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.719
<v Speaker 3>from the Book of Mormon, that the that the Knee

645
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 3>Fights from the Book of Mormon built.

646
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:19.039
<v Speaker 2>And then the Lamanites came down through Canada, right, is

647
00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:19.960
<v Speaker 2>that correct?

648
00:34:20.239 --> 00:34:22.800
<v Speaker 3>They the Lamanites came over on the same boat as

649
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:25.440
<v Speaker 3>the fights. They were all brothers and then they had

650
00:34:25.440 --> 00:34:28.000
<v Speaker 3>a fight in the family and half of the brothers

651
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 3>split off.

652
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they once like went towards Florida, right, I

653
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.760
<v Speaker 2>think even.

654
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so well, yeah, Ultimately the Lamanites killed off all

655
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 3>the knee fights and then became the native and then

656
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 3>later Columbus shows up and settles the Ledger, you know,

657
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:48.559
<v Speaker 3>but and Brigham Young. But yeah, the idea is that

658
00:34:48.599 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 3>they believe they're looking for any kind of evidence for

659
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.159
<v Speaker 3>the Book of Mormon to be valid. So they're going

660
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 3>to say, where is their evidence of the Lamanites, Like,

661
00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 3>where's the evidence of nee fights? And can we see

662
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.760
<v Speaker 3>where it talks about these big cities that were built

663
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:06.320
<v Speaker 3>where they had chariots and horses with helmets and swords,

664
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:09.039
<v Speaker 3>and they had battles. And so they're looking around in

665
00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:12.480
<v Speaker 3>the archaeology and the ancient history for any proof of that,

666
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 3>because it's Joseph Smith, you know, translated that out of

667
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.400
<v Speaker 3>the Gold Books. So it's got to be there somewhere

668
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 3>if it's real. So when they see, oh, there's this

669
00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:23.679
<v Speaker 3>legend of the flying serpent that came and visited and

670
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 3>he was like the god of the heaven and the earth,

671
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 3>they just say that must have been Jesus. That when

672
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:33.360
<v Speaker 3>when he was crucified in Jerusalem and then three days

673
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:38.079
<v Speaker 3>later was resurrected, they believe that he not only appeared

674
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:41.079
<v Speaker 3>to his apostles there, but he also came and appeared

675
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:46.119
<v Speaker 3>to his Christian believers in America, and so that became

676
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.079
<v Speaker 3>the legend of Cetzequatdal And like then, but then why

677
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:52.719
<v Speaker 3>is it a giant dragon with feathers? You know, like like,

678
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:54.199
<v Speaker 3>why is it so metaphorical?

679
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>And it's they do the same thing here.

680
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:03.400
<v Speaker 3>There's the legend of of EOTOI and these ancient shaman

681
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.599
<v Speaker 3>of the paiut To, the Navajo and the Anasazi people.

682
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:12.119
<v Speaker 3>And they'll do church tours, Mormon tours where dozens of

683
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 3>people will show up at these ancient petroglyphs sites, like

684
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:18.360
<v Speaker 3>on the summer solstice, and they gather around the rocks

685
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 3>and they pretend like the ancient petroglyphs are stories about

686
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Jesus coming and visiting the people. But I'm like them,

687
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:29.199
<v Speaker 3>why does he have like devil horns and a tale?

688
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 3>And why is he like using magic? And why do

689
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:35.559
<v Speaker 3>all most of the Native American people disagree with that?

690
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:37.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, they have.

691
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.079
<v Speaker 3>Their own character names and clans and types what the

692
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:44.599
<v Speaker 3>petroglyphs mean. But Mormons are desperate to find evidence and

693
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 3>proof that the Book of Mormon is legitimate and actually happened.

694
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 3>So anytime they can find a culture or a place

695
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 3>or an artifact that seems to fit at all, they're like,

696
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:56.440
<v Speaker 3>we got it, you know, and they feel like that's

697
00:36:56.480 --> 00:37:00.480
<v Speaker 3>a victory. If somebody finds anything that looks like the

698
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.679
<v Speaker 3>hilt of a sword or what could be a wagon

699
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Speaker 3>wheel from a chariot, like an archaeology, even if it's

700
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.079
<v Speaker 3>not the right timeline or anything, they freak out and

701
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 3>publish stuff like this might be evidence of the Book

702
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:14.480
<v Speaker 3>of Mormon, you know. And so that's what that all is.

703
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.599
<v Speaker 3>The kets A Quaddal and all that they think it's Jesus.

704
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 3>They think that Jesus came to the Americas, and that's

705
00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:21.960
<v Speaker 3>the representation of it.

706
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>But none of the.

707
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 3>None of the glyphs match, the language matches, none of

708
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.840
<v Speaker 3>the legends, the rituals that the priests, the priests of

709
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 3>Ketzequaddle were conducting. I mean they were doing human sacrifices

710
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:36.800
<v Speaker 3>and all kinds of different stuff. Obviously wasn't Christian, you know,

711
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:41.679
<v Speaker 3>Like so they were doing different kinds of just pagan worship.

712
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:44.880
<v Speaker 3>And to me, the temple building, like with kets A Quaddle,

713
00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 3>is more of a metaphor of the power and the

714
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 3>energy of the frequencies of the electromagnetic field of the Earth,

715
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Speaker 3>and what they were trying to tap into through their

716
00:37:56.000 --> 00:38:00.239
<v Speaker 3>temple structures and through their rituals that way, and all

717
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.320
<v Speaker 3>across the globe and ancient Asian cultures.

718
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:04.840
<v Speaker 1>And all of that.

719
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.519
<v Speaker 3>They have the same feathered dragon, flying serpent type of

720
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 3>mythos and that all has to do with your consciousness

721
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.880
<v Speaker 3>through rituals like tapping into the ether, more than it

722
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 3>has to do with anything with the actual person like appearing.

723
00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:23.880
<v Speaker 1>So it's interesting, thank you.

724
00:38:23.960 --> 00:38:28.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just yeah, I never really understood where they came from.

725
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting how you said, Like, I guess, you know,

726
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:34.400
<v Speaker 2>because they're trying to use the idea of Jesus. I

727
00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:38.239
<v Speaker 2>think I've even seen daves. For One thing is do

728
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 2>the moments have a lot of like archaeologists kind of

729
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:44.519
<v Speaker 2>people out looking for stuff because it seems like they got.

730
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 1>There's a few.

731
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 3>There's a few, and they actually argue a lot with

732
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 3>each other. Some of them they do because they don't

733
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.679
<v Speaker 3>have any evidence, and so they're scrapping for breadcrumbs around.

734
00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>You know. There's there's certain.

735
00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Experts at Buyu and in the church, and even the

736
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:05.639
<v Speaker 3>members that are convinced, you know that the artifacts and

737
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.000
<v Speaker 3>the events of the Book of Mormon all happened down

738
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:14.119
<v Speaker 3>in Central South America, like in Guatemala, up through Mexico

739
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 3>and all that. But then you're like, well, then how

740
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.880
<v Speaker 3>did the book wind up in upstate New York for

741
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.800
<v Speaker 3>Joseph Smith to go find the Gold Book in New York.

742
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:28.559
<v Speaker 3>So then there's these other people that believe that what

743
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 3>they call the Homeland theory, which is that all the

744
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 3>events of the Book of Mormon happened up around the

745
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Great Lakes, like up around New York, the Finger Lakes,

746
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Niaim and Canada, and that actually happened up there. But

747
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:48.519
<v Speaker 3>there's the problem is because the Book of Mormon describes

748
00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:51.639
<v Speaker 3>these giant cities and when you go to upstate New

749
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:58.199
<v Speaker 3>York and during that timeline, all you find is artifacts

750
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:03.119
<v Speaker 3>for the Hope Well and the Adena people. During that time,

751
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:07.119
<v Speaker 3>the indigenous people that were literally just hunting rabbits, living

752
00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:10.599
<v Speaker 3>in grass huts like the mound builders, right, So they

753
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:14.320
<v Speaker 3>were like building mounds and they were simple people. They

754
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 3>never did metallurgy, they never had horses, they never went

755
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.480
<v Speaker 3>to war with chariots and swords, or they never built

756
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:26.039
<v Speaker 3>giant cities or anything. So if it happened up around

757
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:29.559
<v Speaker 3>the Great Lakes, there's no archaeology to support that. So

758
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 3>then they say, well, it must have been down in

759
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:34.119
<v Speaker 3>South America where all these Aztec and Mayan temples are,

760
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:38.199
<v Speaker 3>must be down there. But then it doesn't make sense.

761
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:40.880
<v Speaker 3>For when the founders of the church found all of

762
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:44.039
<v Speaker 3>the gold plates and the sword and things like that

763
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.360
<v Speaker 3>they claim they found up in New York, how would

764
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:46.840
<v Speaker 3>it get all.

765
00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:47.440
<v Speaker 1>The way up there.

766
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.519
<v Speaker 3>So there's all these gaps and arguments. They honestly truly

767
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:54.800
<v Speaker 3>do not even know where anything happened, because it didn't happen.

768
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.519
<v Speaker 3>The Book of Mormon is completely fictional, and so this

769
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.800
<v Speaker 3>alternative history, you might as well just get the the

770
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.639
<v Speaker 3>book Chronicles of Narnia or Lord of the Rings and

771
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:10.840
<v Speaker 3>then go looking around like, yeah, you find someplace, You

772
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.159
<v Speaker 3>find someplace that sounds or feels like it might be Hobbiton,

773
00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:16.719
<v Speaker 3>or it might be the shire where the Hobbits came from,

774
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.000
<v Speaker 3>and so there's oh, it must be true, you know,

775
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 3>like you might as well go look for Hogwarts and

776
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Harry Potter. It's not it's not real, you know, So

777
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:25.679
<v Speaker 3>it's a fictional history.

778
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:27.960
<v Speaker 1>And so they're looking into they're.

779
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Looking into actual history and archaeology and trying to force

780
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:32.239
<v Speaker 3>fit it and it just doesn't fit.

781
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Ye, Like if the whole stone thing in the head

782
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:36.320
<v Speaker 2>is all a bunch of bullshit, and I mean that

783
00:41:36.559 --> 00:41:38.840
<v Speaker 2>you don't even it doesn't matter who, who went where,

784
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 2>then does it?

785
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:43.559
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't I mean, I mean, and they've even proven

786
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:46.480
<v Speaker 3>that most of the parts of the Book of Mormon

787
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:50.159
<v Speaker 3>are just plagiarized. I mean, you can even use chat GPT,

788
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 3>you can use AI now, you can plug in sections

789
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.519
<v Speaker 3>of that book and it can it can reference and say, oh, yeah,

790
00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.559
<v Speaker 3>this section was most likely plagiarized from a section of

791
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 3>the Greek publication of the Bible that was published in

792
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.960
<v Speaker 3>the eighteen hundreds. Obviously wasn't written in five hundred BC,

793
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:12.519
<v Speaker 3>Like obviously it wasn't written from reformed Egyptian and none

794
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 3>of that makes sense. And like obviously there's no gold book.

795
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:19.599
<v Speaker 3>The church doesn't have the gold plates, doesn't have the

796
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:21.800
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have any of the artifacts.

797
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:23.960
<v Speaker 1>All that's just imaginary.

798
00:42:24.079 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Like they claim that angels came and took it back,

799
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:30.840
<v Speaker 3>Like after they finished translating the book, some angel appeared

800
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:33.719
<v Speaker 3>and took everything so there's no evidence.

801
00:42:35.719 --> 00:42:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know before when I was asking about it,

802
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 2>if there was a lot of archaeologists. It's something I

803
00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:44.079
<v Speaker 2>thought was interesting, is that I think there were there

804
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 2>was these archaeologists that were over around before the Mormons

805
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.280
<v Speaker 2>came over here, and they found something that they were

806
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.639
<v Speaker 2>trying to trying to say that this was proof that

807
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:55.360
<v Speaker 2>the Mormons were here too. And it was like some

808
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:57.840
<v Speaker 2>some like I think like two pillared brick looking thing

809
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.800
<v Speaker 2>that they said they thought had written on it. Have

810
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 2>you ever heard of that.

811
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like NHM or something like that. They think

812
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:12.639
<v Speaker 3>that there's a city in the Book of Mormon when

813
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 3>the family left Jerusalem and tried to flee the wars

814
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.400
<v Speaker 3>in six hundred BC, and the Bible and the Book

815
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.960
<v Speaker 3>of Jeremiah, that's when the Book of Mormon starts.

816
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:24.159
<v Speaker 1>Isn't six hundred BC.

817
00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:28.039
<v Speaker 3>The idea is that this family left Jerusalem and on

818
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 3>their travels when they got to the coast where they

819
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:33.039
<v Speaker 3>built a boat and then came over to the Americas.

820
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:36.199
<v Speaker 3>One of the places that they stopped was the city

821
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 3>of Naholm. And so when people have gone back and

822
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:43.119
<v Speaker 3>looked and looked and looked for evidence of like where

823
00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 3>these places in the Book of Mormon may have been.

824
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.159
<v Speaker 3>They found one place where there was like a stone

825
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.639
<v Speaker 3>that had the letters NHM on there. So they were like,

826
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:54.599
<v Speaker 3>in Hm must have been Nayholm.

827
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:56.880
<v Speaker 1>That must be it. This is the truth.

828
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:00.519
<v Speaker 3>And they don't look at the fact that likes and

829
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 3>other points of evidence say that that's not true. That's impossible,

830
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.000
<v Speaker 3>and there's no way that a family of like five

831
00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 3>people built built a boat and then crossed the entire

832
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Atlantic Ocean.

833
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's just like, it doesn't make any sense.

834
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:17.519
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you real quick too, what's

835
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 2>your what's your thought? What's if I remember correctly, what's

836
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.440
<v Speaker 2>your thought on the glowing rocks that they used to

837
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.719
<v Speaker 2>actually guide themselves to get here? Isn't that? How isn't

838
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 2>that was? The boats had glowing rocks on the front

839
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 2>of them, right there was?

840
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:33.800
<v Speaker 3>So there was two different voyages, so there was there's

841
00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:37.599
<v Speaker 3>a the family that came over in six hundred BC.

842
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:39.400
<v Speaker 1>But then it gets even deeper.

843
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 3>They claim that when they got here to the Americas,

844
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:47.199
<v Speaker 3>that they found the ruins of another civilization of people

845
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:50.719
<v Speaker 3>called the Jaredites, and those are all the Polynesian people,

846
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.119
<v Speaker 3>And so the Jaredites are the Polynesian people from the

847
00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:57.800
<v Speaker 3>and the New Zealanders and all of that, and the Maori,

848
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 3>and basically they were in South America like the Olmec,

849
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.119
<v Speaker 3>they believe, or the Jaredies, and they believe that they

850
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:10.039
<v Speaker 3>were here first, like two thousand years before.

851
00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:11.880
<v Speaker 1>That first group came on a.

852
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 3>Boat and they were here, and they they got here

853
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:19.239
<v Speaker 3>on submarines. They weren't actually boats. They built solid ships

854
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.519
<v Speaker 3>and said they were sealed like a dish. And then

855
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.679
<v Speaker 3>the prophet basically went and picked up rocks and prayed

856
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.519
<v Speaker 3>to God, and then the finger of God touched the

857
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:32.119
<v Speaker 3>rocks and made them glow so they could go inside

858
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:35.559
<v Speaker 3>the submarines with no light without burning a fire and

859
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:36.840
<v Speaker 3>cross the ocean.

860
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 1>And have light to see.

861
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:41.239
<v Speaker 3>And they even claim that the submarines worked that when

862
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 3>they would roll over in the ocean that whichever cork

863
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.360
<v Speaker 3>was in the top, they could basically pull the plug

864
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.800
<v Speaker 3>out to breathe are and then plug it back.

865
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>The story. But yeah, God touched rocks.

866
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.960
<v Speaker 3>And made them glow like a light, and that's how

867
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.199
<v Speaker 3>they could see in the dark inside the submarine. They

868
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:03.320
<v Speaker 3>cross wooden submarines, that's how they cross.

869
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:07.039
<v Speaker 2>The ocean, pressive, impressive stuff.

870
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:12.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's no evidence of that anywhere. I mean, there's

871
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:17.519
<v Speaker 3>legitimate archaeologists that have gone I mean they've done thousands

872
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.599
<v Speaker 3>of core drilling samples where like you can go down

873
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 3>and to Guatemala and you can go to a lake

874
00:46:24.679 --> 00:46:27.079
<v Speaker 3>and drill a core sample in the bottom of a lake,

875
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.239
<v Speaker 3>and the layers of sediment in the lake you can

876
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:36.079
<v Speaker 3>see like every year, the plant life that was there

877
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.760
<v Speaker 3>and the animals and stuff, because the pollen floats out

878
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:40.800
<v Speaker 3>on the water and then sinks to the bottom and

879
00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:43.719
<v Speaker 3>settles in layers just like tree rings. So they can

880
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.559
<v Speaker 3>do core samples in lakes and pull it up and

881
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:50.079
<v Speaker 3>they can say, look, nobody in the region of Guatemala.

882
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:53.719
<v Speaker 3>They weren't growing wheat. They weren't growing they weren't doing

883
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 3>all these things at the Book of Mormon claims that

884
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 3>they were doing. There's zero evidence for that, but they

885
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 3>don't care. They're just holding on in with that faith,

886
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:04.519
<v Speaker 3>that false hope that someday it'll all come out, it'll

887
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Speaker 3>all be proven, the artifacts will be revealed, you know,

888
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:09.840
<v Speaker 3>and they just won't because it's fictional.

889
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 2>There you go, there, you know what I wanted to

890
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.840
<v Speaker 2>ask your opinion on too well one is it true?

891
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I have two questions. I guess it's about Joseph Smith

892
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:24.719
<v Speaker 2>when he uh when I guess when he died. Didn't

893
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:27.840
<v Speaker 2>he supposedly have like the Jupiter sigel, like they kind

894
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:30.079
<v Speaker 2>of pinned on his clothes or something.

895
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he had a whole a magical parchment in

896
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 3>his chest pocket. Yeah, it was like I had all

897
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:41.559
<v Speaker 3>these sigils and stuff and you know, magic symbols and

898
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:45.320
<v Speaker 3>writings all over it. And uh, Brigham Young has like

899
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 3>a blood talisman that he wears. There's pictures of him

900
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Speaker 3>wearing it. And they were all also Freemasons, So the

901
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:58.039
<v Speaker 3>Mormon Church were Freemasons. Like Joseph Smith's older brother was

902
00:47:58.119 --> 00:47:58.840
<v Speaker 3>named Hiram.

903
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

904
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.400
<v Speaker 3>His dad named him Hiram after Hiram Abiff from the

905
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:08.119
<v Speaker 3>origin stories of the Masonic lodges. So Joseph Smith's dad,

906
00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 3>Joseph Smith Senior, he really wanted to become a member

907
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 3>of the Masonic lodge like the Woodsman's Masons in Upstate

908
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.920
<v Speaker 3>New York, and they would never accept him as a

909
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:22.280
<v Speaker 3>member because he was an alcoholic and they didn't want him.

910
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:22.880
<v Speaker 1>He was like.

911
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Scamming people and doing treasure digging and had kind of

912
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:32.679
<v Speaker 3>a bad reputation. But Joseph Smith Senior was so obsessed

913
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:36.840
<v Speaker 3>his dad with being a mason, a freemason, that he

914
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:40.280
<v Speaker 3>named his son Alvin and Hiram and Joseph, and he

915
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:43.159
<v Speaker 3>made friends with this guy named Luman Walters that taught

916
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.280
<v Speaker 3>them all the scrying, the Enochia magic.

917
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:46.639
<v Speaker 1>So this guy.

918
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:50.440
<v Speaker 3>Luhman came over from England, made friends with Joseph Smith's

919
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.840
<v Speaker 3>family and then got them into using the magic searstones

920
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.960
<v Speaker 3>and doing all that kind of stuff. But yeah, Joseph

921
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Smith from the time he was a little kid all

922
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:06.039
<v Speaker 3>the way up was taken out and doing occult rituals.

923
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:10.519
<v Speaker 3>They would pretend, like Joseph Smith when he was a

924
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.840
<v Speaker 3>little boy, could use the magic rock and see where

925
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.920
<v Speaker 3>buried treasure was. So they were in the business of

926
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.960
<v Speaker 3>scamming the locals. So they would this is what they

927
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.079
<v Speaker 3>would do, and they even got arrested for it and

928
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:26.719
<v Speaker 3>like went to trial as a family. Because they would

929
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:30.639
<v Speaker 3>basically go to like a wealthy farmer. They would sneak

930
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:32.960
<v Speaker 3>in his barn at night and like steal a saddle

931
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 3>out of the barn and go hide it somewhere and

932
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:39.440
<v Speaker 3>then they would be like, show up in town and

933
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 3>be like, hey, we can find missing objects or look

934
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:43.960
<v Speaker 3>for buried treasure. You've got all this, you know, one

935
00:49:44.039 --> 00:49:47.920
<v Speaker 3>hundred acres of farmland. If there's any ancient native artifacts here,

936
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:50.679
<v Speaker 3>we can find him for you. And then Joseph Smith

937
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.400
<v Speaker 3>would put the rock in the hat. First thing he would.

938
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Say, is is your saddle missing?

939
00:49:56.639 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 3>And they were the ones that stole it and hit it,

940
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:00.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, and the farm be like, yeah, I've been

941
00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:03.280
<v Speaker 3>missing my saddle for three days and be like So

942
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 3>Joseph would put the rock in the hat, put his

943
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 3>face in the hat, and he would claim that he

944
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.480
<v Speaker 3>would see a vision the saddle is behind a rock

945
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:12.440
<v Speaker 3>out in the field if someone came and took it.

946
00:50:12.800 --> 00:50:15.159
<v Speaker 3>And then so the farmer would go be like, he's right,

947
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:19.280
<v Speaker 3>no way. So then they would hire him. Sure, we'll

948
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:21.679
<v Speaker 3>give you food and board. We're going to trust this

949
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:23.800
<v Speaker 3>little kid, Joseph to use the rock in the hat

950
00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:27.800
<v Speaker 3>and he's gonna find buried treasure. And so they would

951
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:31.119
<v Speaker 3>live there and get paid, get fed money, get fed food,

952
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:32.079
<v Speaker 3>and have.

953
00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:34.599
<v Speaker 1>A place to stay. And they would go out.

954
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.880
<v Speaker 3>At night with the magic rock and they would put

955
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:44.760
<v Speaker 3>pentagrams on the ground and Joseph Smith would claim there

956
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:50.119
<v Speaker 3>was buried treasure there. They would sacrifice dogs, chickens, sheep,

957
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:53.360
<v Speaker 3>or goats or whatever and spray the blood around, and

958
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:55.719
<v Speaker 3>then they would try to dig out the treasure and

959
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:58.559
<v Speaker 3>claim that they could find it, and then they obviously

960
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 3>never found anything. So after they would fail two or

961
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.800
<v Speaker 3>three times, the farmer would get mad kick them off

962
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.199
<v Speaker 3>the land, and then ultimately two or three of these

963
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 3>farmers would talk to each other and be like, these

964
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:10.960
<v Speaker 3>guys are scamming us, and would press charges and take

965
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:14.360
<v Speaker 3>them to court, and the family had to move several times.

966
00:51:14.800 --> 00:51:19.199
<v Speaker 3>And ultimately, after they got kicked out of several communities

967
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.400
<v Speaker 3>for doing this kind of conning and scamming, they came

968
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.719
<v Speaker 3>up with the idea to do a religious scam and

969
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.159
<v Speaker 3>claim that instead of finding a buried treasure, they would

970
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.519
<v Speaker 3>find a book of gold and publish the book, and

971
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:37.159
<v Speaker 3>that started the entire church. It was just another one

972
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:40.239
<v Speaker 3>of their treasure digging scams that actually finally worked.

973
00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:42.559
<v Speaker 2>Damn wow.

974
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was completely full of magic rituals. The whole

975
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:51.280
<v Speaker 3>time they were doing scrying using magic rocks, claiming they

976
00:51:51.280 --> 00:52:01.079
<v Speaker 3>had magic glasses, angels appearing all that stuff. Wow, Yeah, that's.

977
00:52:00.880 --> 00:52:02.880
<v Speaker 5>Pretty crazy there, sacrifice and animals.

978
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.840
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that not very many people do. You

979
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.079
<v Speaker 3>have to go look at the affidavids. You have to

980
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.480
<v Speaker 3>read the books that the members of the church that

981
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.480
<v Speaker 3>were there that left the church when they realized it,

982
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 3>they wrote about it. And there's even the court reports,

983
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, when they were prosecuted and basically told to

984
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.119
<v Speaker 3>leave communities and get out.

985
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:21.159
<v Speaker 1>You can go look it all up.

986
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:25.440
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, and the farmers that got scammed, they wrote

987
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:27.639
<v Speaker 3>about it and even published it in the newspaper about

988
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.559
<v Speaker 3>how they got tricked and how the Smith family scammed them.

989
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:36.679
<v Speaker 3>But that kind of pattern just continued, using occult rituals

990
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:41.199
<v Speaker 3>and magic rituals claiming to find secret Native American artifacts

991
00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:44.039
<v Speaker 3>and things that basically just finally clicked and turned into

992
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.960
<v Speaker 3>an entire religion. I think when they moved to the

993
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:51.239
<v Speaker 3>right community, they had a few people like Martin Harris

994
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 3>and Sidney rigged In and Oliver Cowdrey, a few people

995
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:56.599
<v Speaker 3>that had money and a little bit of intelligence that

996
00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:59.679
<v Speaker 3>joined in on the scheme. Then suddenly they were able

997
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.079
<v Speaker 3>to pull it off and convince a bunch of people.

998
00:53:04.559 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Now, I also wanted to ask to do you think

999
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:10.719
<v Speaker 2>it's possible. I'm just thinking now, I mean, maybe they

1000
00:53:10.760 --> 00:53:12.960
<v Speaker 2>weren't in this mind frame, and maybe only I'm thinking

1001
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.760
<v Speaker 2>like this because I'm in the future. But like I

1002
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 2>would assume it was a lot easier to commit a

1003
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:21.639
<v Speaker 2>crime maybe back then, like or no or faked death?

1004
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Really put it that way, because were they doing dental records?

1005
00:53:26.760 --> 00:53:28.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like like what were they using? I mean,

1006
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.920
<v Speaker 2>did they have fingerprints? Like what technology did they really

1007
00:53:31.960 --> 00:53:35.400
<v Speaker 2>have to prove? Is that really Joseph Smith dead phone

1008
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:38.000
<v Speaker 2>after getting shot in the face too, right and falling

1009
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:40.480
<v Speaker 2>out the window. I'm just wondering, do you think it

1010
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:43.039
<v Speaker 2>might be possible he faked his death too?

1011
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Wow?

1012
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.400
<v Speaker 3>I never thought of that, except for the fact that

1013
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:49.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean there was like a whole mob of like

1014
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:50.760
<v Speaker 3>two hundred people there and.

1015
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:52.599
<v Speaker 2>The Grays, right, they called them with something, which I

1016
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 2>find interesting, Right, what's that? Weren't they called the grays

1017
00:53:57.159 --> 00:53:59.159
<v Speaker 2>the militia was like a militia call the Grays. I

1018
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:02.719
<v Speaker 2>found that too, because I'm like, then back to aliens.

1019
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I could have been I don't know.

1020
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you can't get away from aliens. To the womans.

1021
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Most of the people in the mob that showed up

1022
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.119
<v Speaker 3>at the prison and murdered Joseph Smith and his brother

1023
00:54:13.800 --> 00:54:17.559
<v Speaker 3>were their families, like their wives or daughters, were victims

1024
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 3>of the polygamy scam, so they're like a lot of

1025
00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 3>those guys. They were members of the church, and Joseph

1026
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Smith had assigned them to go serve a mission in

1027
00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 3>England for five years. So they would go on a

1028
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:33.000
<v Speaker 3>boat over to England as a missionary, and while they

1029
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:36.360
<v Speaker 3>were gone, Joseph Smith would secretly marry himself to their

1030
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:39.639
<v Speaker 3>wife or their daughter and then claim possession of their

1031
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.000
<v Speaker 3>land as the steward of their property and land.

1032
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And then if they came home.

1033
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:46.480
<v Speaker 3>And were like, hey, why are you stealing my wife,

1034
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:48.639
<v Speaker 3>Why did you try to marry and sleep with my

1035
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:52.639
<v Speaker 3>fifteen year old daughter or whatever, and they would throw

1036
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:56.360
<v Speaker 3>a complaint. Joseph Smith would just excommunicate them for not

1037
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:59.960
<v Speaker 3>having faith, for not believing in the in the prophet

1038
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.760
<v Speaker 3>season whatnot. They would the men would get kicked out.

1039
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:07.039
<v Speaker 3>That happened enough times in enough places that the mob

1040
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:09.719
<v Speaker 3>finally formed when they had him cornered in the prison

1041
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:13.519
<v Speaker 3>and gathered around and lynched him. You know, they they

1042
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:15.760
<v Speaker 3>stormed up the stairs and shot him. He tried to

1043
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 3>jump out the window and they they killed him outside

1044
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:20.360
<v Speaker 3>the prison.

1045
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's what it was, really quick. I just want

1046
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:26.159
<v Speaker 2>to correct myself. The Grays was actually I find this

1047
00:55:26.239 --> 00:55:27.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of funny. I don't know why you would use

1048
00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.920
<v Speaker 2>these people. They were anti warnings. They were called the

1049
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Carthage Grays, and they were a local militia that was

1050
00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:38.559
<v Speaker 2>actually a sign to protect Joseph Smith, to make sure nobody.

1051
00:55:39.159 --> 00:55:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know why you would use people

1052
00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:43.559
<v Speaker 2>that already against him to supposedly protect his ass. I mean,

1053
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.440
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of a silly situation in itself. So I

1054
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 2>guess they probably just let them on the fuckers walking.

1055
00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:52.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what happened. Yeah, that's right. I forgot that part.

1056
00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:54.760
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, the Grays were like the militia that were

1057
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.679
<v Speaker 3>put in charge of guarding the prison and basically when

1058
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:01.199
<v Speaker 3>the mob shut up, they fired a couple of shots

1059
00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.199
<v Speaker 3>in the air for pretend, and then they just opened

1060
00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:05.559
<v Speaker 3>the door and let the mob come.

1061
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.320
<v Speaker 1>In because they went along with it.

1062
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:11.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you're right, like think about this, like, not

1063
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:13.679
<v Speaker 3>only could you trick and deceive a lot of people

1064
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:17.199
<v Speaker 3>really easily back then, but I mentioned Lumen Walters this

1065
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 3>guy that came over from England and taught the Smith

1066
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:24.960
<v Speaker 3>family scrying and noki and magic, but he was also

1067
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:29.159
<v Speaker 3>an expert in psychedelic tinctures and he knew and was

1068
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:34.480
<v Speaker 3>farming magic mushrooms. And so how would you know back then,

1069
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 3>in like eighteen forty two or whatever, when when you

1070
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:42.079
<v Speaker 3>would go to church at the Smith Church, you know,

1071
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:45.239
<v Speaker 3>Joseph Smith's church and take the sacrament, how do you

1072
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 3>know they weren't dosing people with lum and Walter's psychedelics.

1073
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:54.280
<v Speaker 3>There's a whole story at the Kirtland Temple where they

1074
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:57.440
<v Speaker 3>all gathered together for church one day and they took sacrament.

1075
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:02.039
<v Speaker 3>One guy showed up to the meeting late and he

1076
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 3>wrote in his journal that they gave him a piece

1077
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.800
<v Speaker 3>of sacrament bread that was like the size of his fists,

1078
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 3>and we're like, hurry, you eat this.

1079
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 1>And sit down and join the meeting.

1080
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:12.920
<v Speaker 3>And everyone had visions like the building was on fire.

1081
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:16.679
<v Speaker 3>People were rolling around on the floor like they were possessed,

1082
00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:20.079
<v Speaker 3>and they claimed that they saw visions of like God

1083
00:57:20.159 --> 00:57:23.920
<v Speaker 3>and Jesus and angels appear in the temple. I'm like,

1084
00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:26.559
<v Speaker 3>it's pretty obvious when you go back and read that

1085
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:30.119
<v Speaker 3>story that they were just you know, drugging the members

1086
00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:33.400
<v Speaker 3>or dosing them with psychedelics at certain times. And as

1087
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.199
<v Speaker 3>a member of the church back then with no Internet,

1088
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:40.280
<v Speaker 3>no understandings of psychedelics or any of that, Like, how

1089
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:43.079
<v Speaker 3>would you ever deal with that? You would be completely

1090
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:44.920
<v Speaker 3>convinced that this guy was a prophet.

1091
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:50.119
<v Speaker 2>No, you dosed the whole crowd. Oh my god, they

1092
00:57:50.159 --> 00:57:51.800
<v Speaker 2>all think they had show.

1093
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh Joseph Smith gets up there and starts preaching, and

1094
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:57.880
<v Speaker 3>they there was members of the church that swear that

1095
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Joseph Smith transformed into Moses and all the you know,

1096
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:05.280
<v Speaker 3>like all these things. But obviously Luman Walters was there,

1097
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:07.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, dosing the sacrament.

1098
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you think do you think the regular like normal

1099
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:15.599
<v Speaker 2>public was even aware of like these types of like hallucinogenics,

1100
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:19.519
<v Speaker 2>because like I could see like maybe pulling stuff off

1101
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:21.760
<v Speaker 2>real easy because people don't even know like that's an

1102
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:22.440
<v Speaker 2>option yet.

1103
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:25.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was all the days of snake oil, like

1104
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:28.400
<v Speaker 3>if you want to get even weird with it, and

1105
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:31.360
<v Speaker 3>where it gets really dark. Right at that same time

1106
00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:35.760
<v Speaker 3>when they moved into Navo and right when Naboo, Illinois

1107
00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:40.519
<v Speaker 3>and the church really got its foothold Joseph Smith made

1108
00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:45.440
<v Speaker 3>best friends with this guy named John C. Bennett, and

1109
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:48.719
<v Speaker 3>John C. Bennett was also a chemical expert. If you

1110
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:52.880
<v Speaker 3>look him up, he's he was like the first American

1111
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:57.559
<v Speaker 3>innovator of the use of chloroform, and chloroform that's the

1112
00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:59.639
<v Speaker 3>one that you put on their rag cover people and

1113
00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:04.519
<v Speaker 3>knock them out. And also back then, chloroform was the

1114
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:13.199
<v Speaker 3>earliest version of abortion medicine. So Joseph Smith baptized John C.

1115
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Bennett into the church and then within less than a

1116
00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:19.199
<v Speaker 3>year promoted him all the way to the top to

1117
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:22.360
<v Speaker 3>where he was first counselor in the church, meaning next

1118
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.239
<v Speaker 3>to him, next to Joseph Smith, Bennett is the next

1119
00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:28.079
<v Speaker 3>in line that's in charge. Basically, he's the number two

1120
00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.480
<v Speaker 3>guy in the whole church. And then he moved him

1121
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.000
<v Speaker 3>into his mansion house, so they all lived in the

1122
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:36.000
<v Speaker 3>same He lived in the house with the prophet, and

1123
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:41.119
<v Speaker 3>that's when he started polygamy. So he started secretly marrying

1124
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:45.360
<v Speaker 3>himself spiritually to all these underage girls and other women

1125
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.760
<v Speaker 3>in the community and hiding it from his wife and

1126
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:49.119
<v Speaker 3>their husbands and everything.

1127
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:50.559
<v Speaker 1>And he had John C.

1128
00:59:50.639 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 3>Bennett living right there in the mansion house with him

1129
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:57.960
<v Speaker 3>and he was the country's leading chloroform abortion doctor. And

1130
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:01.320
<v Speaker 3>the members of the church are just so naive and

1131
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:05.519
<v Speaker 3>so faithful to the story that they've been fed that

1132
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:09.480
<v Speaker 3>they can't fathom that Bennett, that Joseph Smith never had

1133
01:00:09.480 --> 01:00:11.760
<v Speaker 3>any kids and he was never sleeping with those women

1134
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:12.280
<v Speaker 3>or girls.

1135
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:13.400
<v Speaker 1>It was all just spiritual.

1136
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:20.039
<v Speaker 3>But why would you promote a chloroform abortion doctor to

1137
01:00:20.079 --> 01:00:21.760
<v Speaker 3>be your first counselor and let him live in the

1138
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:25.639
<v Speaker 3>house with you, like it's an obvious And then how.

1139
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:28.000
<v Speaker 4>Much he needed his services, I guess, like.

1140
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Obviously using chloroform and psychedelics and people that were familiar

1141
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:41.199
<v Speaker 3>with these compounds to manipulate members of the church. It's

1142
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:43.599
<v Speaker 3>it's all in there, and they just refused to look

1143
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:48.159
<v Speaker 3>when when John C. Bennett, when he left the church, Uh,

1144
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:51.880
<v Speaker 3>he wrote a whole autobiography where he confessed that he

1145
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:56.000
<v Speaker 3>performed hundreds of abortions in secret in Nauvoo and that

1146
01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:58.360
<v Speaker 3>they threw the bodies of the children in the river,

1147
01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.760
<v Speaker 3>like he confessed it in his own book, And the

1148
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.519
<v Speaker 3>members of the church just go then it was he

1149
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:07.239
<v Speaker 3>was a crook, he was a liar, so you can't

1150
01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:09.320
<v Speaker 3>trust him, Like, well, then why was he living in

1151
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:12.199
<v Speaker 3>the house. Why was he at the head of the church.

1152
01:01:12.239 --> 01:01:16.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, they were doing some stuff, you know, yeah,

1153
01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:20.639
<v Speaker 3>not just magic and magic rituals. They were con men,

1154
01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:22.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, they were straight up crooks.

1155
01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:27.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's crazy. I was going to say before, Karl,

1156
01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.719
<v Speaker 4>when you were talking about the petroglyphs and like the

1157
01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:35.000
<v Speaker 4>representations of Jesus or like people trying to fit that

1158
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:38.280
<v Speaker 4>narrative into the petroglyphs and stuff, I was wondering in

1159
01:01:38.320 --> 01:01:40.079
<v Speaker 4>my head. I was like, I wonder if it's like

1160
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:43.679
<v Speaker 4>the psychedelic Jesus that some people think that they see

1161
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:47.000
<v Speaker 4>when they're on you know, magic mushrooms or like LSD

1162
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:51.599
<v Speaker 4>or whatever this like you know, parallel universe, fake Jesus.

1163
01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:54.079
<v Speaker 4>I was like, oh, well that makes sense.

1164
01:01:54.440 --> 01:02:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, said spot the same spot that they go here

1165
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:03.920
<v Speaker 3>in southern Utah on the Anasazi Trail, where when I

1166
01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:06.119
<v Speaker 3>was there just this year, a whole group of like

1167
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:09.199
<v Speaker 3>fifty members of the church showed up and they were

1168
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:11.280
<v Speaker 3>there trying to say that it was all the story

1169
01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:14.639
<v Speaker 3>of Jesus and the John, the Baptists and all this stuff.

1170
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:17.599
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, then, why are all these shaman depicted

1171
01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:22.159
<v Speaker 3>right next to carvings of the deturua flower, which is

1172
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:29.360
<v Speaker 3>a delirient hallucinogenic you know the Piu, Yeah, the Piute

1173
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 3>and the Goshen tribe. I mean, just two years ago,

1174
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:34.559
<v Speaker 3>there was a couple of kids from the Goshen tribe

1175
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.920
<v Speaker 3>right over there by the Anasazi trail that died in

1176
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:41.000
<v Speaker 3>an accident because they did a ritual with detura, with

1177
01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:44.360
<v Speaker 3>the Detua flower, and while they were hallucinating, they drowned in.

1178
01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:46.480
<v Speaker 1>The lake.

1179
01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:53.239
<v Speaker 3>And the psychedelics is part of the negative Native American culture,

1180
01:02:53.280 --> 01:02:55.960
<v Speaker 3>from the Brufo frog to peyote to all of that.

1181
01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:57.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just a part of it. So I mean, but

1182
01:02:57.440 --> 01:02:58.519
<v Speaker 1>they don't talk about that.

1183
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:02.159
<v Speaker 3>That's just Jesus and John the Battle just obviously came

1184
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:03.159
<v Speaker 3>here and taught people.

1185
01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:04.320
<v Speaker 1>That's what they say.

1186
01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:08.320
<v Speaker 4>It's so crazy that like you talk about, you know,

1187
01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:10.920
<v Speaker 4>the origins of like kind of the snake oil salesman

1188
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:15.880
<v Speaker 4>and then like this lst like magic mushroom, don't terra thing,

1189
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:20.159
<v Speaker 4>because now what now in present day, a lot of Mormons,

1190
01:03:20.679 --> 01:03:22.920
<v Speaker 4>in my experience of like you know, kind of like

1191
01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:25.960
<v Speaker 4>mom culture, what do a lot of Mormons do essential

1192
01:03:26.000 --> 01:03:30.519
<v Speaker 4>oil pyramid schemes, swear to God literally essential oils. And

1193
01:03:30.599 --> 01:03:34.880
<v Speaker 4>one of the companies is called Doughtera. It is it

1194
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:39.599
<v Speaker 4>is a huge company. And another company, I forget what

1195
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:41.679
<v Speaker 4>it's called right now. The name is Gaging oh amare

1196
01:03:41.960 --> 01:03:46.239
<v Speaker 4>Amari Global. They sell neurotropics that you put in drinks

1197
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.880
<v Speaker 4>because apparently Mormons are not allowed to drink caffeine.

1198
01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:55.159
<v Speaker 1>You can have caffeine, just not coffee. Oh okay, caffeine.

1199
01:03:55.920 --> 01:04:01.679
<v Speaker 4>And I tried this neurotropic drink. You feel high. Literally

1200
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:05.079
<v Speaker 4>you are like it's it's crazy. I was like, I

1201
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:07.280
<v Speaker 4>don't want to feel this way all the time, all day.

1202
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:09.079
<v Speaker 4>But apparently Mormon moms do.

1203
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:14.559
<v Speaker 3>Utah is the number one hot spot for pyramid schemes

1204
01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.480
<v Speaker 3>by a long shot, but multi level marketing and pyramid

1205
01:04:17.519 --> 01:04:21.840
<v Speaker 3>schemes is huge because the church is a pyramid scheme.

1206
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:22.840
<v Speaker 1>From the tradition.

1207
01:04:23.079 --> 01:04:29.199
<v Speaker 4>Continues like it's crazy, yeah, right.

1208
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:33.199
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, and so I mean they start them over everything. Yeah,

1209
01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:37.920
<v Speaker 3>and it's built in too, because like like Teresa, let's say,

1210
01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:42.840
<v Speaker 3>if you lived up in Springville, Utah, and you were

1211
01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:44.880
<v Speaker 3>an active member of the church, you end up being

1212
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:47.960
<v Speaker 3>the release Society president or something. So you're like a

1213
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:50.880
<v Speaker 3>woman in the local community there that all the other

1214
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:54.760
<v Speaker 3>women look up to like, Wow, she's like a spiritual person,

1215
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Like she's like a role model for all the women

1216
01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:01.119
<v Speaker 3>in the community. And then you join an ELM, an MLM.

1217
01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:03.119
<v Speaker 1>They all want to start selling.

1218
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, then everybody's in on it. Andy, It's all just

1219
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:08.880
<v Speaker 3>like a whole it's built in. You turn around and

1220
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.480
<v Speaker 3>why while you're going and visiting your neighbors and doing

1221
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:15.840
<v Speaker 3>the church stuff. Anyways, it just naturally flows, right, So

1222
01:05:15.880 --> 01:05:16.920
<v Speaker 3>it's it's.

1223
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:17.880
<v Speaker 1>All built in there.

1224
01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:21.079
<v Speaker 4>Well, now with social media, that's like how it is.

1225
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.239
<v Speaker 4>It's like you know, oh, the cool mom is doing it,

1226
01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:24.719
<v Speaker 4>so like I want to try it, and I'm going

1227
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:26.239
<v Speaker 4>to do it, and then your friend does it and

1228
01:05:26.280 --> 01:05:28.960
<v Speaker 4>they want you to join. It's like, holy geez.

1229
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.719
<v Speaker 3>They even package up these pyramid schemes and MLMs into

1230
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:39.639
<v Speaker 3>into therapeutic counseling and church counseling, and then how they

1231
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:44.320
<v Speaker 3>build the insurances and they build the church and get

1232
01:05:44.320 --> 01:05:47.880
<v Speaker 3>paid through the church's insurances and everything. Like there's a

1233
01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:52.760
<v Speaker 3>whole whole pseudoscience racket in the MLMs and the way

1234
01:05:52.760 --> 01:05:54.199
<v Speaker 3>that it functions here in Utah.

1235
01:05:54.320 --> 01:05:55.599
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty wild.

1236
01:05:56.199 --> 01:05:57.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's crazy.

1237
01:05:58.440 --> 01:05:59.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like built in.

1238
01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:02.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's in the culture that's so great.

1239
01:06:03.880 --> 01:06:06.239
<v Speaker 2>I did want to ask you, they're kind of like

1240
01:06:06.480 --> 01:06:08.280
<v Speaker 2>just gonna be switching a roof back a little bit

1241
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:12.000
<v Speaker 2>more back to the occult again. I know there's things

1242
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.920
<v Speaker 2>with Zion, there's ideas with that, but I do I

1243
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.119
<v Speaker 2>think I remember there was like an order called like

1244
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the Elders of Zion that ended up being like Mormons,

1245
01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:23.079
<v Speaker 2>that kind of started like their own society. Is there

1246
01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:26.480
<v Speaker 2>like in an occulted belief amongst some more Mormons about

1247
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:30.239
<v Speaker 2>like Zion that might be different than the regular story.

1248
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's it's the complete end Times doomsday prophecy

1249
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:40.760
<v Speaker 3>of Zion. So for Mormons, you have Israel and Jerusalem

1250
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:45.960
<v Speaker 3>is the old center of the Church from the biblical perspective.

1251
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:50.480
<v Speaker 3>But they believe that when Jesus comes again for his

1252
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:55.400
<v Speaker 3>second Coming, that he will establish the new Jerusalem in Zion,

1253
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.599
<v Speaker 3>which is in Jackson County, Missouri or Independence, Missouri. They

1254
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.199
<v Speaker 3>believe that the Garden of Eden was in the state

1255
01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.320
<v Speaker 3>of Missouri in the United States, that Adam and Eve

1256
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:09.599
<v Speaker 3>were here in the United States and then spread out

1257
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:11.679
<v Speaker 3>from there and then came back, that Adam and Eve

1258
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:12.920
<v Speaker 3>were actually in Missouri.

1259
01:07:13.679 --> 01:07:14.599
<v Speaker 1>They believed that.

1260
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:19.639
<v Speaker 3>So that when Christ comes again for the Second Coming,

1261
01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:25.239
<v Speaker 3>that he will first appear in Jerusalem and basically say, oh,

1262
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.280
<v Speaker 3>you crucified me, I actually don't know you. And then

1263
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:31.320
<v Speaker 3>he's going to appear here in America, and then the

1264
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:33.760
<v Speaker 3>Mormons are going to re establish.

1265
01:07:33.400 --> 01:07:34.760
<v Speaker 1>And rebuild Zion.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're going to do that starting in Independence, Missouri,

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01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:41.920
<v Speaker 3>Jackson County, Missouri. There and they even have maps. You

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01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:44.239
<v Speaker 3>can go up into Salt Lake and go in the

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01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:48.519
<v Speaker 3>church history building. Joseph Smith when he was the founder,

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01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:53.199
<v Speaker 3>they were drafting maps for Zion, where the temple was

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01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:55.239
<v Speaker 3>going to be built, where the houses would be built,

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01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:57.079
<v Speaker 3>how the streets would be lined out.

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01:07:57.639 --> 01:07:59.079
<v Speaker 1>And the idea is that.

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01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Basically the Church would rule the world, that there would

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01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:07.159
<v Speaker 3>be one religion, everybody would be Mormon. Jesus would dwell

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01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:10.519
<v Speaker 3>on earth and live in Missouri in the Temple, and

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01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:13.559
<v Speaker 3>the church would be the center of all political and

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01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.880
<v Speaker 3>religious power on earth. And they would establish what they

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01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:22.279
<v Speaker 3>call the law of Consecration, which is basically Mormon communism

1280
01:08:22.760 --> 01:08:25.800
<v Speaker 3>socialism where you give everything to the church and then

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01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:29.199
<v Speaker 3>the church basically only gives you what you need, and

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01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:33.239
<v Speaker 3>then everyone will have a perfect life and no problems anymore.

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01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:38.159
<v Speaker 3>So this idea of Zion and Zionism is this concept

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01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:40.960
<v Speaker 3>that yeah, when the wicked are all burned off the

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01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:44.960
<v Speaker 3>earth and Christ will come back again and they'll establish

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01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:46.880
<v Speaker 3>the city of Zion and it will be the capital

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01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:48.720
<v Speaker 3>of the world and the religious center of the world,

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01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:54.239
<v Speaker 3>like the New Mecca. Yeah, but now Zion is in

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01:08:54.279 --> 01:08:57.600
<v Speaker 3>your heart and it's wherever you live. That's where Zion is.

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01:08:57.640 --> 01:09:00.159
<v Speaker 3>It's like a metaphor now, and they're just waiting for

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01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Jesus to reappear to burn the world and then rebuild

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01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:06.359
<v Speaker 3>the temple in Missouri and then they'll they'll have it

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01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:10.920
<v Speaker 3>for real. My grandpa he was even told in a

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01:09:10.920 --> 01:09:14.000
<v Speaker 3>blessing that he would live to see Zion built and

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01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:17.000
<v Speaker 3>that he would hold a hammer in his hands and

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01:09:17.039 --> 01:09:20.880
<v Speaker 3>help construct the temple for Jesus. And then he died

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01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:22.880
<v Speaker 3>and none of that came true, and everybody just brushes

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01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:26.039
<v Speaker 3>it off, like, Okay, maybe he'll come as a spirit

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01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:28.199
<v Speaker 3>or an angel and help build it. That's what they say,

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01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:35.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, Yeah.

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01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:34.520
<v Speaker 1>The Zion is a real thing.

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01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:38.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they really believe that Zion is a thing. I mean,

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01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:42.720
<v Speaker 3>even Zion National Park here is where I live, right

1304
01:09:42.760 --> 01:09:46.399
<v Speaker 3>next to Zion National Park and they named it that after.

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01:09:46.119 --> 01:09:48.119
<v Speaker 1>The belief in Zion.

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01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:52.239
<v Speaker 3>All the communities in the city here, even the Interstate

1307
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:55.279
<v Speaker 3>freeway signs are all a beehive. And that is a

1308
01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:59.520
<v Speaker 3>theme of Mormonism, is the symbolism of the beehive that

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01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:01.079
<v Speaker 3>comes from freemasonry.

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01:10:01.119 --> 01:10:02.319
<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask you if you thought that

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01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:04.640
<v Speaker 2>might have been a pull off a freemasonry.

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01:10:06.520 --> 01:10:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the queen bee and the hive. The worker bees

1313
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:11.800
<v Speaker 3>are all out serving uh the queen.

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01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Interesting, that was totally in the mythos.

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01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:19.319
<v Speaker 3>They call Utah desret Yeah, like we're supposed to all

1316
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:24.119
<v Speaker 3>be productive worker bees for the church drones news. Yeah,

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01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:29.680
<v Speaker 3>that's where that comes from. It comes from the church. Yeah.

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01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:31.479
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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01:10:32.119 --> 01:10:35.359
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Was there any other type of maybe like ritualistic

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01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:39.039
<v Speaker 2>things that you maybe remember from like I guess the

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01:10:39.119 --> 01:10:40.399
<v Speaker 2>church that you didn't mention.

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01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:45.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, like the when I was you know, ten or eleven.

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01:10:45.119 --> 01:10:47.159
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people don't understand what goes on in

1324
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:47.640
<v Speaker 3>the temple.

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01:10:48.279 --> 01:10:48.399
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 3>When you think about the rituals of the temple, people

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01:10:51.680 --> 01:10:53.960
<v Speaker 3>just think that it's like a like another church house

1328
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:57.239
<v Speaker 3>that you go in and and uh sit and pray

1329
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:01.760
<v Speaker 3>or whatever. But it is actually very occult and very ritualized,

1330
01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:05.239
<v Speaker 3>like when I went and did baptisms for the dead.

1331
01:11:06.279 --> 01:11:09.359
<v Speaker 3>It's in the basement of the temple. There's a baptismal

1332
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.720
<v Speaker 3>font down and there in the lower levels of the temple,

1333
01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:17.119
<v Speaker 3>the bottom of the baptismal font, there's statues of twelve

1334
01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:21.119
<v Speaker 3>oxen like giant cows with horns, and so you go

1335
01:11:21.159 --> 01:11:23.680
<v Speaker 3>in there and there's a baptismal font on the back

1336
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:27.239
<v Speaker 3>of all these big cows like the Old Testament or

1337
01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:29.399
<v Speaker 3>something like the ancient Tabernacle.

1338
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Of Israel or whatever.

1339
01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:34.039
<v Speaker 3>And you go up there and they they don't just

1340
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:36.800
<v Speaker 3>like baptize you once. There's a whole thing where they

1341
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:40.199
<v Speaker 3>say Carl and race, and having been commission of Jesus Christ,

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01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:43.239
<v Speaker 3>I baptized you ford In behalf of Nick. And then

1343
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:45.760
<v Speaker 3>they would say your name because you were a guy

1344
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:47.680
<v Speaker 3>who lived and died and never joined the church. So

1345
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:50.159
<v Speaker 3>we got to baptize you now as a spirit right

1346
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:52.079
<v Speaker 3>because you didn't do it while you were alive, we

1347
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:55.359
<v Speaker 3>got to do it while you're dead. And so they

1348
01:11:55.399 --> 01:11:57.760
<v Speaker 3>would say, I baptize you ford In behalf of Nick,

1349
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.439
<v Speaker 3>who is dead, in the name of the Father and

1350
01:12:00.479 --> 01:12:01.880
<v Speaker 3>the Son and the holy ghosts. And then they go

1351
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:03.920
<v Speaker 3>broke when they dunk you in the water. And then

1352
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:07.880
<v Speaker 3>immediately Karl and Rason, having been commissioned Christ, I baptize

1353
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.239
<v Speaker 3>you Ford in behalf of Michael who is dead, in

1354
01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:11.399
<v Speaker 3>the name of the Father and the Son and the

1355
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Holy Ghost.

1356
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:12.399
<v Speaker 1>Amen.

1357
01:12:12.960 --> 01:12:15.079
<v Speaker 3>When they dunk you and you would get baptized thirty

1358
01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:15.720
<v Speaker 3>forty times.

1359
01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:19.479
<v Speaker 1>What it's like, thirty forty.

1360
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:23.199
<v Speaker 3>Times multiple in a row of rapid baptisms. And then

1361
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:25.239
<v Speaker 3>you get out of the water wrap in a towel,

1362
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:26.960
<v Speaker 3>and your best friend gets in the water and he

1363
01:12:27.000 --> 01:12:30.359
<v Speaker 3>gets baptized thirty times. Everybody who's ever lived on the

1364
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:32.439
<v Speaker 3>Earth's gotta get baptized. That's why they're all in the

1365
01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:34.359
<v Speaker 3>family history.

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01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:40.680
<v Speaker 4>You know, wonderproalysis. For man, this is crazy.

1367
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:42.800
<v Speaker 1>And that's not even the weird ones.

1368
01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:44.760
<v Speaker 3>When you go do the washing and anoint thing, you

1369
01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:47.479
<v Speaker 3>actually like take all your clothes off. You just put

1370
01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:50.560
<v Speaker 3>like a gown on and they anoint you with water

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01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:54.239
<v Speaker 3>and oil. They tell you your new spiritual name.

1372
01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:58.039
<v Speaker 1>So like, I'm not Carl. My new name was Hiram.

1373
01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:00.560
<v Speaker 3>And just because I told you that my new name

1374
01:13:00.600 --> 01:13:02.640
<v Speaker 3>is Highram, now I can't get into heaven because that

1375
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:05.920
<v Speaker 3>was my password. So I just now I can't get

1376
01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:08.399
<v Speaker 3>into because I told you my secret pass.

1377
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:13.279
<v Speaker 4>Right, So you when I go af there and be

1378
01:13:13.319 --> 01:13:14.239
<v Speaker 4>like high room.

1379
01:13:15.079 --> 01:13:18.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you're so you're walking It wouldn't work for you.

1380
01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:19.520
<v Speaker 1>You have a different name.

1381
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:21.800
<v Speaker 4>Oh right, I have to figure it out.

1382
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I guess like, you'd be like Mary, or you'd be

1383
01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:29.960
<v Speaker 1>like Esther. Yeah, I guess him something that. Yeah, some

1384
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Mormon name. Oh my god, isn't funny.

1385
01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was like, but I mean when you do

1386
01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.520
<v Speaker 3>the washing and anointing, you're like walking through white curtains.

1387
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:42.840
<v Speaker 3>So you like go into this little cubicle made of

1388
01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:46.159
<v Speaker 3>white sheets, sit in this chair, and they wash you

1389
01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:48.680
<v Speaker 3>with water and then oil and all this stuff, and

1390
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.720
<v Speaker 3>you go through another curtain. It's all these white sheets

1391
01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:54.159
<v Speaker 3>hanging everywhere, and you go through these curtains all the

1392
01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:58.279
<v Speaker 3>like you're going through a labyrinth of these white curtains

1393
01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.239
<v Speaker 3>and everything. And then they give you the new name

1394
01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:04.800
<v Speaker 3>and blessings, and then you go do the actual endowment,

1395
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:09.520
<v Speaker 3>and that's where you're learning all the secret handshakes and

1396
01:14:09.600 --> 01:14:13.000
<v Speaker 3>the passwords and the phrases that you need to say

1397
01:14:13.079 --> 01:14:15.520
<v Speaker 3>to get past the guardians at the gates of heaven.

1398
01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:21.760
<v Speaker 3>So you're supposedly learning literally secret occult handshakes like so

1399
01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:25.560
<v Speaker 3>that you can pass through and get into heaven with God.

1400
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:32.920
<v Speaker 1>And that's the whole ordinance is you're you're sitting there initiations. Initiations, Yeah, you.

1401
01:14:33.600 --> 01:14:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Get a word and a grip every time I did one.

1402
01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:37.359
<v Speaker 1>A word and a grip. Yeah.

1403
01:14:37.399 --> 01:14:39.279
<v Speaker 3>So they tell you this is the first token of

1404
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:41.920
<v Speaker 3>the Auronic priesthood. And then they come around and everybody

1405
01:14:41.960 --> 01:14:45.039
<v Speaker 3>does the secret handshake with the priests as he walks around,

1406
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:48.760
<v Speaker 3>and you learn that, and with every handshake there's a

1407
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.720
<v Speaker 3>name and like a secret password, and then there's also

1408
01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:55.119
<v Speaker 3>a sign. So like with this, with this handshake, what

1409
01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:58.239
<v Speaker 3>you do like this, you you have to put your

1410
01:14:58.439 --> 01:15:00.560
<v Speaker 3>disarm at the square in this hand and with a

1411
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:03.479
<v Speaker 3>cut and then when you do this handshake, you have

1412
01:15:03.560 --> 01:15:04.359
<v Speaker 3>to go like this and.

1413
01:15:04.319 --> 01:15:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Put one hand up on one hand down just in

1414
01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:07.840
<v Speaker 1>front of you.

1415
01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:10.039
<v Speaker 3>And then there's also a password or a phrase that

1416
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:13.279
<v Speaker 3>goes along with that. And then after you learn all

1417
01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:16.119
<v Speaker 3>of those and you go through the different levels, then

1418
01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:22.119
<v Speaker 3>at the very end you do in occult ritual where

1419
01:15:22.159 --> 01:15:24.760
<v Speaker 3>you do all the secret handshakes. So you stand in

1420
01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:28.439
<v Speaker 3>a circle around an altar. So there's altar, just like

1421
01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:31.119
<v Speaker 3>in freemasonry, they have the altar with the Bible and

1422
01:15:31.159 --> 01:15:33.920
<v Speaker 3>a square and compass on top. You know, they have

1423
01:15:34.000 --> 01:15:36.119
<v Speaker 3>the same thing in the Mormon Temple. It really sounds

1424
01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:42.640
<v Speaker 3>like stand it is. They call it the endowment, the

1425
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:47.079
<v Speaker 3>endowment ceremony. It's an initiat, the initiation. The initiatory is

1426
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:50.479
<v Speaker 3>when they when you do the baptism and the washing

1427
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:53.439
<v Speaker 3>and the anointing and get the new name. That's the initiatory,

1428
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:56.439
<v Speaker 3>the initiation. And then you do the endowment where you

1429
01:15:56.520 --> 01:16:01.800
<v Speaker 3>learn the passwords and handshakes. So around the altar, you

1430
01:16:02.399 --> 01:16:06.000
<v Speaker 3>stand in a circle like a seance around the altar,

1431
01:16:07.279 --> 01:16:10.760
<v Speaker 3>and you do all the secret handshakes, and then you

1432
01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:14.520
<v Speaker 3>do all the hand signs, and ultimately you're putting your

1433
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:17.880
<v Speaker 3>arms in the air and chanting, saying, Oh God, hear

1434
01:16:17.920 --> 01:16:20.119
<v Speaker 3>the words of my mouth. Oh God, here are the

1435
01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:22.680
<v Speaker 3>words of my mouth. And you're raising and lowering your

1436
01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:25.920
<v Speaker 3>arms in a big circle around the altar, going, oh God,

1437
01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:27.039
<v Speaker 3>here are the words.

1438
01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:27.199
<v Speaker 1>Of my mouth.

1439
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.159
<v Speaker 3>In the old days, they used to say it in

1440
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:33.319
<v Speaker 3>a fake language, in a different language that they believe

1441
01:16:33.359 --> 01:16:36.359
<v Speaker 3>that atoms spoke, and they would say, oh peylay ell,

1442
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh peley el oh peley ell, and that meant, oh

1443
01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:44.640
<v Speaker 3>God hear my words or whatever, because l el Ohim

1444
01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:47.399
<v Speaker 3>is the alien god from colob or whatever. So oh

1445
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:51.079
<v Speaker 3>peley el men, God please hear us. So you chant

1446
01:16:51.119 --> 01:16:55.920
<v Speaker 3>around the altar, and then after that ritual's done, then

1447
01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:57.399
<v Speaker 3>one by one you.

1448
01:16:57.399 --> 01:16:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Go up to the veil.

1449
01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:03.079
<v Speaker 3>It's a big white curtain that's across the whole back

1450
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:06.159
<v Speaker 3>of the room, and you walk up there and this

1451
01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:10.039
<v Speaker 3>guy puts his hand out through a hole in the curtain,

1452
01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:12.680
<v Speaker 3>and you have to do all of the secret handshakes,

1453
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:16.399
<v Speaker 3>and that's supposed to be like God in heaven. And

1454
01:17:16.439 --> 01:17:20.119
<v Speaker 3>you do all the handshakes and tell him all the

1455
01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:23.880
<v Speaker 3>passwords through the veil. He like quizzes you whether or

1456
01:17:23.880 --> 01:17:26.920
<v Speaker 3>not you remember all the secret handshakes and the signs

1457
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:30.000
<v Speaker 3>and tokens and passwords and all that, and then if

1458
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:33.119
<v Speaker 3>you get it all correct, he opens the veil and

1459
01:17:33.159 --> 01:17:37.600
<v Speaker 3>he lets you in the Celestial Room, which is basically

1460
01:17:37.640 --> 01:17:39.039
<v Speaker 3>like the lobby of a hotel.

1461
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:41.399
<v Speaker 1>That's what it looks like like.

1462
01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:45.279
<v Speaker 3>Everything's white with chandeliers and flowers and it's all painted fancy,

1463
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:47.479
<v Speaker 3>and you just go sit in there dressed in your

1464
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:52.760
<v Speaker 3>gowns and stuff. The whole time, you're changing costumes. So

1465
01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:55.239
<v Speaker 3>every time you learn a new handshake, you're like taking

1466
01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:58.319
<v Speaker 3>your robes off, your putting this a white hat on,

1467
01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:03.520
<v Speaker 3>You're putting gowns on, on, aprons on, You're dressing up

1468
01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:08.560
<v Speaker 3>in all these Freemason clothing. And then every time you

1469
01:18:08.640 --> 01:18:10.479
<v Speaker 3>learn a new handshake, you have to change it. So

1470
01:18:10.520 --> 01:18:13.399
<v Speaker 3>you're like switching your robe from your left shoulder over

1471
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:15.600
<v Speaker 3>to your right shoulder, and then you're changing it from

1472
01:18:15.600 --> 01:18:17.720
<v Speaker 3>this way to that way. So it's like as you're progressing,

1473
01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:24.199
<v Speaker 3>you're also changing your clothes. Yeah, so I did all

1474
01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:28.000
<v Speaker 3>of that when I was eighteen. When I was eighteen

1475
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:30.520
<v Speaker 3>years old, you have to do all of that right

1476
01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.279
<v Speaker 3>when you turn nineteen. Basically, you and before you serve

1477
01:18:33.319 --> 01:18:37.159
<v Speaker 3>a mission as a missionary, you have to receive your endowment.

1478
01:18:37.520 --> 01:18:39.720
<v Speaker 3>And everybody who is a member of the church that's

1479
01:18:39.720 --> 01:18:42.680
<v Speaker 3>been married in the temple, that's what you do, is

1480
01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:45.119
<v Speaker 3>you go through, you do the endowment, and then you

1481
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:49.680
<v Speaker 3>get married inside the temple at that altar, so you

1482
01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:52.560
<v Speaker 3>kneel across the altar and get married to each other.

1483
01:18:52.600 --> 01:18:55.319
<v Speaker 3>You do all the secret handshakes and then you hold

1484
01:18:55.319 --> 01:18:57.239
<v Speaker 3>in the secret grip, but the last grip, and then

1485
01:18:57.239 --> 01:18:59.920
<v Speaker 3>the priest marries you while you're doing the handshake.

1486
01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Over above the altar.

1487
01:19:04.319 --> 01:19:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, idea about any of that.

1488
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.880
<v Speaker 3>That's why Mormons won't even date somebody who's not a Mormon.

1489
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Bringing them there be like what the fuck is this?

1490
01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Throwing up tank signs, like how could you?

1491
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:18.439
<v Speaker 3>Right, you can't even get in the door, you know

1492
01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:21.439
<v Speaker 3>you can't. Yeah, you're never gonna get past oh right,

1493
01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:24.079
<v Speaker 3>very you can't even get in the door.

1494
01:19:25.079 --> 01:19:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Damn.

1495
01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:28.920
<v Speaker 4>Is that why some Mormons say they've never like been

1496
01:19:29.079 --> 01:19:31.039
<v Speaker 4>in the temple or something like.

1497
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:34.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's another level. A lot of members of

1498
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:36.960
<v Speaker 3>the church, you know, they just go to church and

1499
01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:39.399
<v Speaker 3>they don't go to the temple. But the temple is

1500
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:41.960
<v Speaker 3>a whole other level. Like I went my whole life

1501
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:44.960
<v Speaker 3>growing up, and all I knew was regular Sunday, so

1502
01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:47.800
<v Speaker 3>I would like go to church, have my regular meetings,

1503
01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:50.239
<v Speaker 3>and most of that was just like you're might as

1504
01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:52.119
<v Speaker 3>well be in any other church. You're just like sitting

1505
01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:54.880
<v Speaker 3>in the pews and going to classes like Bible study.

1506
01:19:55.279 --> 01:19:58.039
<v Speaker 3>Then you go to the temple and you're like changing

1507
01:19:58.079 --> 01:20:03.720
<v Speaker 3>costumes and doing these like serious occult rituals, Freemason rituals

1508
01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:06.560
<v Speaker 3>and everything, and I mean that was just like a

1509
01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:10.000
<v Speaker 3>whole other level. I remember going through the first time,

1510
01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:13.880
<v Speaker 3>and even then I was like fully believing and convinced

1511
01:20:13.920 --> 01:20:14.600
<v Speaker 3>that it was real.

1512
01:20:15.159 --> 01:20:16.560
<v Speaker 1>And in the back of my mind, I.

1513
01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:19.319
<v Speaker 3>Was like, this is fucking nuts, and I was like,

1514
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:22.359
<v Speaker 3>this is insane what we're doing here. Like I was

1515
01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:27.000
<v Speaker 3>looking around, like nobody's nobody's questioning how weird this is.

1516
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:29.720
<v Speaker 3>Like my first time going through, I was super weirded

1517
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:32.520
<v Speaker 3>out by the whole thing, you know, and I had

1518
01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:35.800
<v Speaker 3>to rationalize it all around. Like I just didn't understand

1519
01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:38.119
<v Speaker 3>the mysteries, you know, I didn't understand this was all.

1520
01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:40.800
<v Speaker 3>And you just convince yourself that you're the one that

1521
01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:43.239
<v Speaker 3>was naive, and you're like, wow, this is what the

1522
01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:46.039
<v Speaker 3>church is really about, okay, and you just like accept

1523
01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:49.960
<v Speaker 3>it and move forward, you know. But ultimately, yeah, I

1524
01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:51.760
<v Speaker 3>look back on all of it now and it's like

1525
01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:55.199
<v Speaker 3>pretty wild that I was did that so much. I

1526
01:20:55.239 --> 01:20:57.560
<v Speaker 3>got married in the temple all of that.

1527
01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so I'm assuming you met your wife through

1528
01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.399
<v Speaker 2>the temple as well.

1529
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:08.760
<v Speaker 3>We met at church, Yeah, we got we got set

1530
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:10.479
<v Speaker 3>up on a blind day. The first time we met

1531
01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:14.439
<v Speaker 3>each other was at church. Yeah, that's pretty common. Yeah,

1532
01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:17.039
<v Speaker 3>it's like a safe bet. You know, you go to church,

1533
01:21:17.079 --> 01:21:20.800
<v Speaker 3>you meet someone at church, it's like it's too hard

1534
01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:24.439
<v Speaker 3>to to marry somebody that's not into it just as

1535
01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:25.079
<v Speaker 3>much as you.

1536
01:21:25.079 --> 01:21:26.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, you got to be in on it together.

1537
01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:28.560
<v Speaker 1>It's too weird.

1538
01:21:30.600 --> 01:21:31.600
<v Speaker 4>Together. I get it.

1539
01:21:31.960 --> 01:21:32.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1540
01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Did somebody ask how many veils I went through? Yeah,

1541
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:38.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to think. So you go through the Washington

1542
01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:42.359
<v Speaker 3>anointing veil, the first one, and then in the middle

1543
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:45.520
<v Speaker 3>of that one, between the Washington anointing you cross through

1544
01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:49.399
<v Speaker 3>a second curtain. Then you leave through a curtain, step

1545
01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:52.079
<v Speaker 3>through another curtain to get the new name, go through

1546
01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:55.640
<v Speaker 3>another veil, walk up the hallway, go up the stairs

1547
01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:58.039
<v Speaker 3>to go into the adowment room, and.

1548
01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:00.119
<v Speaker 1>Then there's the the.

1549
01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:11.000
<v Speaker 3>The celestial, terrestrial, and celestial. They'll so ultimately there's eight

1550
01:22:10.840 --> 01:22:14.399
<v Speaker 3>eight eight different, eight different curtains you go through. The

1551
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:17.920
<v Speaker 3>final curtain has the actual Masonic symbols, So it's a

1552
01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:20.840
<v Speaker 3>square and a compass and then a line and so

1553
01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:24.920
<v Speaker 3>he the representative that's supposed to be God, puts his

1554
01:22:25.000 --> 01:22:30.000
<v Speaker 3>hand through the flat line and then he he asks

1555
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:32.720
<v Speaker 3>you the questions through the square, and then you tell

1556
01:22:32.760 --> 01:22:36.159
<v Speaker 3>him the answers through the compass through and their holes

1557
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:39.680
<v Speaker 3>in them that are that are cut that way or

1558
01:22:39.720 --> 01:22:43.920
<v Speaker 3>stitched that way. And then at the very end, he

1559
01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:47.920
<v Speaker 3>puts his other arm through the hole and puts it

1560
01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:50.239
<v Speaker 3>on your right shoulder, and then you put your left

1561
01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:53.920
<v Speaker 3>arm through the hole and you it's the Masonic grip.

1562
01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:57.600
<v Speaker 3>So if you look up the Masonic grip, you hold hands,

1563
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.039
<v Speaker 3>you handshake, and then you put your other hand on

1564
01:23:00.119 --> 01:23:03.199
<v Speaker 3>each other's shoulders, and then you put yourself ear to

1565
01:23:03.279 --> 01:23:06.520
<v Speaker 3>ear and you whisper the passwords while you're holding that stance.

1566
01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:10.479
<v Speaker 3>And that's what you do through through the veil to

1567
01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:13.479
<v Speaker 3>get into heaven. And they believe that when you die

1568
01:23:14.159 --> 01:23:16.039
<v Speaker 3>and you actually go to Heaven, that you're going to

1569
01:23:16.119 --> 01:23:17.520
<v Speaker 3>have to do all that, like you're going to go

1570
01:23:17.600 --> 01:23:22.560
<v Speaker 3>up to you know, Peter, James and John and Paul

1571
01:23:22.680 --> 01:23:25.119
<v Speaker 3>or whatever, the guardians of the Pearly Gates, and that's

1572
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:26.920
<v Speaker 3>what you're going to do to get into heaven.

1573
01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:28.399
<v Speaker 1>Is this passwords.

1574
01:23:29.199 --> 01:23:32.680
<v Speaker 3>So it's practice, yeah, And one of the passwords is

1575
01:23:32.680 --> 01:23:34.520
<v Speaker 3>that the very you know, you have to know your name,

1576
01:23:34.600 --> 01:23:37.359
<v Speaker 3>your new name, so you're the first one is like,

1577
01:23:37.439 --> 01:23:40.359
<v Speaker 3>your password is your given name, so I'd say Carl Andresen,

1578
01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:43.239
<v Speaker 3>and then the second handshake is your new name. I

1579
01:23:43.279 --> 01:23:46.640
<v Speaker 3>would say high Room is the password. The third name,

1580
01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:54.119
<v Speaker 3>This third password is I think it's the Son of

1581
01:23:54.159 --> 01:23:57.399
<v Speaker 3>God or something like that. And then the final password

1582
01:23:57.560 --> 01:24:00.159
<v Speaker 3>is like this whole long thing I'm trying one. If

1583
01:24:00.199 --> 01:24:03.000
<v Speaker 3>I saw it memorized, it's like health in the navel,

1584
01:24:03.079 --> 01:24:05.720
<v Speaker 3>marrow and the bone, strengthen, the wins and the sinews, power,

1585
01:24:05.720 --> 01:24:07.560
<v Speaker 3>and the priests would be upon me and upon my

1586
01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:11.880
<v Speaker 3>posterity throughout all time and throughout all eternity. That's the

1587
01:24:11.920 --> 01:24:16.319
<v Speaker 3>final password, Health in the navel, marrow, in the bone,

1588
01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:19.359
<v Speaker 3>strength and wins. Oh, I just spilled my coffee everywhere,

1589
01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:21.720
<v Speaker 3>so that was the password.

1590
01:24:21.720 --> 01:24:22.680
<v Speaker 1>It's like a whole slogan.

1591
01:24:22.760 --> 01:24:26.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a phrase. It's not even a password.

1592
01:24:26.720 --> 01:24:32.720
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, Yeah, it's like a whole slogan.

1593
01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:36.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That's gotta be nerve wracking.

1594
01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:40.760
<v Speaker 3>It is like the first first while, while you're going

1595
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:43.319
<v Speaker 3>through all the process, it's like you're like, am I

1596
01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:45.800
<v Speaker 3>ever going to remember this? Because you can't take any notes.

1597
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:48.000
<v Speaker 3>It's not like you can record it. It's not like

1598
01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:49.720
<v Speaker 3>you can take a pin and paper. In there, they

1599
01:24:49.720 --> 01:24:51.560
<v Speaker 3>take all your clothes off, and you're like in the

1600
01:24:52.319 --> 01:24:55.000
<v Speaker 3>you're wearing the ritual clothes, so you can't even take notes.

1601
01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:57.880
<v Speaker 3>You literally just have to go over and over and

1602
01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:00.439
<v Speaker 3>over and over again and memorize it all. It's the

1603
01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:06.119
<v Speaker 3>only way. Like, so you feel like you know, you

1604
01:25:06.159 --> 01:25:09.520
<v Speaker 3>go through it, and you barely get through the first

1605
01:25:09.560 --> 01:25:11.319
<v Speaker 3>like year that you're going through the temple.

1606
01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:14.199
<v Speaker 1>You basically have to have an assistant.

1607
01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Like when you go up to the veil to try

1608
01:25:15.840 --> 01:25:19.119
<v Speaker 3>and get through, a helper basically stands there and cheats

1609
01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:21.279
<v Speaker 3>for you and tells you all, tells you everything to

1610
01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:23.960
<v Speaker 3>say so that you can get through. But in the

1611
01:25:24.039 --> 01:25:26.119
<v Speaker 3>end you're supposed to go up there and just do

1612
01:25:26.199 --> 01:25:29.239
<v Speaker 3>it on your own. And then when you get married,

1613
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:33.079
<v Speaker 3>the husband is the one that pretends to be God.

1614
01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:37.640
<v Speaker 3>So the husband goes through the veil first, and then

1615
01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:40.840
<v Speaker 3>it's the husband that then puts his hand through and

1616
01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:44.439
<v Speaker 3>brings his wife through, so the woman, the wife doesn't

1617
01:25:44.439 --> 01:25:48.159
<v Speaker 3>even get to do the ritual with God. The wife

1618
01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:50.640
<v Speaker 3>only gets to come into heaven when the husband says,

1619
01:25:51.640 --> 01:25:55.640
<v Speaker 3>oh see ye, Theresa.

1620
01:25:55.760 --> 01:25:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, I don't like that, you don't you.

1621
01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:02.439
<v Speaker 3>Don't do the handshakes and the passwords with God. You

1622
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:03.359
<v Speaker 3>do it with your husband.

1623
01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:06.119
<v Speaker 4>I want to do the handshake with God.

1624
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:08.319
<v Speaker 1>Nope, your husband gets to that.

1625
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:11.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're a woman, so you're you have to follow

1626
01:26:11.159 --> 01:26:15.600
<v Speaker 3>the husband first after that. Yeah. A lot of women

1627
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:17.239
<v Speaker 3>that have left the church feel that way too.

1628
01:26:17.399 --> 01:26:19.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well I get that.

1629
01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:23.119
<v Speaker 3>Even in the rituals when you make promises, like there's

1630
01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:26.039
<v Speaker 3>covenants and oaths while you're doing all the secret handshakes

1631
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:28.520
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like, there's promises that you're making while you're

1632
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:31.760
<v Speaker 3>doing this, like oaths and covenants and promises that you're

1633
01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:34.840
<v Speaker 3>going to be obedient and that you're going to be chased,

1634
01:26:34.880 --> 01:26:36.680
<v Speaker 3>and that you're going to give everything that you have

1635
01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:40.279
<v Speaker 3>to the church if you're asked, and that you'll never

1636
01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:43.760
<v Speaker 3>tell anybody what goes on in the temple, keep it

1637
01:26:44.239 --> 01:26:49.159
<v Speaker 3>sacred in a secret, you know. And during those promises

1638
01:26:49.199 --> 01:26:54.199
<v Speaker 3>and covenance, the man makes promises to God and the

1639
01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:58.600
<v Speaker 3>woman makes promises that she will be obedient to the

1640
01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:00.800
<v Speaker 3>husband as he is amedient to God.

1641
01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:04.680
<v Speaker 1>So the wives make their.

1642
01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:08.680
<v Speaker 3>Covenants and promises to be obedient to their husband as

1643
01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:12.239
<v Speaker 3>long as their husband is keeping the their commandments or

1644
01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:15.239
<v Speaker 3>keeping their covenants. So it's all the women are all

1645
01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:18.800
<v Speaker 3>second tier, even in the temple, and the women don't

1646
01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:22.039
<v Speaker 3>get to do any real officiating. The women don't get

1647
01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:25.479
<v Speaker 3>to do the baptisms or anything, but they do help

1648
01:27:25.560 --> 01:27:27.359
<v Speaker 3>like do the washing and annoying things and.

1649
01:27:27.439 --> 01:27:28.399
<v Speaker 1>A lot of that stuff.

1650
01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:32.359
<v Speaker 3>But ultimately, yeah, the women don't have any priestoe authority.

1651
01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:37.000
<v Speaker 3>They have to do everything through their husband. So that's

1652
01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:38.680
<v Speaker 3>another big red flag too, right.

1653
01:27:40.760 --> 01:27:41.479
<v Speaker 1>The way down.

1654
01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:45.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, Yeah, that's weird to me.

1655
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:47.319
<v Speaker 3>Unless you like that, but I mean that's the stage

1656
01:27:47.319 --> 01:27:48.239
<v Speaker 3>for polygamy too.

1657
01:27:48.319 --> 01:27:49.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, ultimately, if you're going to.

1658
01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:53.840
<v Speaker 3>Have twenty different wives, you better they better be obedient.

1659
01:27:55.239 --> 01:27:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Husband just to get into heaven.

1660
01:27:58.479 --> 01:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1661
01:27:59.600 --> 01:28:02.119
<v Speaker 4>Well, if the husband saying, well, this is part of

1662
01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:05.560
<v Speaker 4>my covenant with God or whatever, like whatever the prophet

1663
01:28:05.600 --> 01:28:09.479
<v Speaker 4>says goes right. So if the prophet what he said,

1664
01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.319
<v Speaker 4>like cool, you can marry as many women as you want,

1665
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:15.560
<v Speaker 4>and the wife's got to be like, okay, the prophet

1666
01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:17.800
<v Speaker 4>said it, so it's okay.

1667
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, don't don't have to think for yourselves, just

1668
01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:26.079
<v Speaker 3>follow along. Yeah, follow the person in front of you,

1669
01:28:26.159 --> 01:28:31.239
<v Speaker 3>and that's your husband. And then the leaders and then God, yeah, yeah,

1670
01:28:31.359 --> 01:28:32.199
<v Speaker 3>a pyramid scheme.

1671
01:28:33.279 --> 01:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, same deal.

1672
01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Mike, was there any Yeah, that's the that's the temple, Mike.

1673
01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Was there any questions that you wanted to ask or

1674
01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>anything that you wanted to add with any of this?

1675
01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:51.479
<v Speaker 5>Well, just out of my own curiosity, I once worked

1676
01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:56.640
<v Speaker 5>doing some roofing on a new Mormon church and they

1677
01:28:56.640 --> 01:28:59.920
<v Speaker 5>were very weird about the spire that went on that thing.

1678
01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:04.600
<v Speaker 5>They're very particular and they told us multiple times, we

1679
01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:07.239
<v Speaker 5>have our own crew bringing it in, they will be

1680
01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:09.920
<v Speaker 5>the ones to install it. Please please don't touch it,

1681
01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:13.359
<v Speaker 5>don't do anything. And even a little piece of flashing

1682
01:29:13.359 --> 01:29:16.680
<v Speaker 5>metal that connected to the roof with them, and they

1683
01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:20.560
<v Speaker 5>we're told several times by several members to not touch it.

1684
01:29:21.439 --> 01:29:24.279
<v Speaker 5>And so it made us very curious about the thing.

1685
01:29:24.560 --> 01:29:27.560
<v Speaker 5>I wonder if you knew anything about the spire that

1686
01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:28.840
<v Speaker 5>goes on top of the church.

1687
01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all of that.

1688
01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:34.119
<v Speaker 3>I mean for the spire there, they're specific about it,

1689
01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:37.640
<v Speaker 3>how it faces ease, the dimensions. I mean when it

1690
01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:42.319
<v Speaker 3>comes to the temples, they are even another level. Like

1691
01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:45.720
<v Speaker 3>the actual the regular church houses where the members go

1692
01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:49.560
<v Speaker 3>for their Sunday meetings. They're not as particular about the

1693
01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:52.880
<v Speaker 3>dimensions and things. But when it comes to the temples

1694
01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:57.199
<v Speaker 3>where they do the rituals, they're very very specific, down

1695
01:29:57.239 --> 01:30:00.399
<v Speaker 3>to like where the wood comes from where, like the

1696
01:30:00.479 --> 01:30:05.479
<v Speaker 3>dimensions of the windows. Like if they construct something and

1697
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:08.600
<v Speaker 3>it's even off by an inch or two, they'll tear

1698
01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.439
<v Speaker 3>it out and make the workers redo it. And there's

1699
01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:17.920
<v Speaker 3>huge aspects where they'll only contract with Mormon owned companies

1700
01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:19.560
<v Speaker 3>to do the work, like to go in and do

1701
01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:22.880
<v Speaker 3>the actual building and the ritual rooms where they do

1702
01:30:22.960 --> 01:30:25.680
<v Speaker 3>the ceilings and the baptisms and all that. They won't

1703
01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:29.399
<v Speaker 3>even let people that don't have a Temple recommendation card

1704
01:30:29.560 --> 01:30:31.640
<v Speaker 3>like a pass card to get in. They won't even

1705
01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:35.000
<v Speaker 3>let them come to work on the place. And so yeah,

1706
01:30:35.039 --> 01:30:37.000
<v Speaker 3>it's very particular about who they'll.

1707
01:30:36.880 --> 01:30:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Let go in.

1708
01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:40.880
<v Speaker 3>And then there's even inner inner chambers in there or

1709
01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:44.720
<v Speaker 3>who knows what they do. We're only like the Apostles

1710
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.520
<v Speaker 3>and the profit go where they pretend like they go

1711
01:30:47.560 --> 01:30:50.000
<v Speaker 3>in there and talk to God just like Joseph Smith did,

1712
01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:52.880
<v Speaker 3>and then they come out twice a year and they

1713
01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:56.439
<v Speaker 3>do a big conference where they deliver the message, you know,

1714
01:30:58.359 --> 01:31:00.840
<v Speaker 3>but they're not obviously they're not talking to God. They're

1715
01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:04.760
<v Speaker 3>sitting in corporate board meetings with Curtin Mconky, with the

1716
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:10.520
<v Speaker 3>with lawyers, and they're they're managing their multi billion dollar corporations,

1717
01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:13.600
<v Speaker 3>is what they're doing, you know, collecting tithing money and

1718
01:31:13.680 --> 01:31:17.359
<v Speaker 3>hoarding three hundred billion dollars and buying real estate is

1719
01:31:17.359 --> 01:31:18.199
<v Speaker 3>what they're really doing.

1720
01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean they get like a lot of assuming,

1721
01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:31.000
<v Speaker 2>like a lot of kind of like free labor too, right, Yeah.

1722
01:31:31.079 --> 01:31:33.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean I was actually even like kind of child

1723
01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:36.359
<v Speaker 3>trafficed through free labor a lot when I was a kid.

1724
01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:39.960
<v Speaker 2>That's considered sex trafficking technically. Actually.

1725
01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:41.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1726
01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:47.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, they would use the Boy Scouts of America program

1727
01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:50.039
<v Speaker 3>and church service projects to get us to do all

1728
01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:52.239
<v Speaker 3>kinds of stuff. There was so many times as a kid,

1729
01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:54.800
<v Speaker 3>when I was like twelve years old where I would

1730
01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:57.359
<v Speaker 3>be out like on some ranch or farm or some

1731
01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:00.880
<v Speaker 3>state park running a chainsaw or building fence or like

1732
01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:04.359
<v Speaker 3>picking potatoes on a potato farm. Never got paid anything,

1733
01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:08.800
<v Speaker 3>And I was just told like through the church on Sunday,

1734
01:32:09.079 --> 01:32:11.560
<v Speaker 3>like like you're one of the kids that's going to

1735
01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:14.680
<v Speaker 3>go do a service project. You're going to go do service,

1736
01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:18.399
<v Speaker 3>go help people. And basically we'd all show up to

1737
01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:22.079
<v Speaker 3>church on Saturday in the parking lot in a white van,

1738
01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:24.439
<v Speaker 3>or somebody would show up and they'd load us all

1739
01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:26.920
<v Speaker 3>up and we'd go somewhere and just do free child

1740
01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:29.600
<v Speaker 3>labor all day. There was one time where I went

1741
01:32:29.960 --> 01:32:32.920
<v Speaker 3>got on a van and drove like two hours out

1742
01:32:32.960 --> 01:32:38.000
<v Speaker 3>in the desert and a shoveled goat poop at a

1743
01:32:38.159 --> 01:32:43.319
<v Speaker 3>secret government genetics lab. I don't know how that works. Oh,

1744
01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:45.760
<v Speaker 3>how that's the service project. But I was at a

1745
01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:51.439
<v Speaker 3>genetics lab where they were combining goat DNA with spiders

1746
01:32:52.199 --> 01:32:58.159
<v Speaker 3>to make advance kevlar like body armor. They take spider

1747
01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:02.239
<v Speaker 3>silk genetics like from acual insects, from spiders, and they

1748
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:06.279
<v Speaker 3>were mixing the jeans with goats and the goat milk

1749
01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:10.680
<v Speaker 3>would produce this type of protein that they could spin

1750
01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:14.079
<v Speaker 3>into silk and make like kevlar body armor and all

1751
01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:15.520
<v Speaker 3>kinds of weird stuff.

1752
01:33:16.159 --> 01:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>And that was a facility.

1753
01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:20.279
<v Speaker 3>When I was a kid, I was drove to a

1754
01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:22.760
<v Speaker 3>facility like that with some of my friends to shovel

1755
01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:25.560
<v Speaker 3>the poop out of the goat stalls for child labor

1756
01:33:25.560 --> 01:33:26.880
<v Speaker 3>at some government facility.

1757
01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how that works, Like if.

1758
01:33:29.119 --> 01:33:34.920
<v Speaker 3>The church is contracted with government agencies and provide some

1759
01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:38.159
<v Speaker 3>of that somehow. I have no idea, but I know

1760
01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:40.680
<v Speaker 3>that that that was one of the things I did

1761
01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:44.199
<v Speaker 3>when I was a kid.

1762
01:33:44.359 --> 01:33:48.319
<v Speaker 5>I've heard stories about a lot of espionage being wrapped

1763
01:33:48.399 --> 01:33:53.760
<v Speaker 5>up into a lot of the especially South American missionary

1764
01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:58.640
<v Speaker 5>trips yep. And we know that a lot of high

1765
01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:05.119
<v Speaker 5>ranking Mormons involved in intelligence, and seems like a comfortable relationship.

1766
01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:09.159
<v Speaker 3>For sure, a big comfortable relationship all the way. Like,

1767
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:15.319
<v Speaker 3>the CIA has a recruiting office at BYU. It's the

1768
01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:17.760
<v Speaker 3>only college campus in the country that actually has a

1769
01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:21.720
<v Speaker 3>recruiting office for the CIA on the campus. And they've

1770
01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:27.880
<v Speaker 3>been caught embedding operatives into the MTC, into the Missionary

1771
01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Training Center. So they can basically put a CIA asset

1772
01:34:32.960 --> 01:34:37.279
<v Speaker 3>into the missionary training program, pretend he's a nineteen year

1773
01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:40.920
<v Speaker 3>old kid, send him on a mission to a foreign country,

1774
01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:44.439
<v Speaker 3>and then while he's there pretending to be a missionary

1775
01:34:44.479 --> 01:34:48.359
<v Speaker 3>for the church, he can do espionage, you know, So

1776
01:34:48.399 --> 01:34:49.600
<v Speaker 3>he can he can.

1777
01:34:49.760 --> 01:34:50.359
<v Speaker 1>Do his job.

1778
01:34:50.399 --> 01:34:52.600
<v Speaker 3>And all they have to do is put two of

1779
01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:56.439
<v Speaker 3>those assets together as companions, and you've got basically two

1780
01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:59.119
<v Speaker 3>agents living in a community can do whatever they want

1781
01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:03.439
<v Speaker 3>without supervision and that through the church can get into

1782
01:35:03.439 --> 01:35:05.079
<v Speaker 3>all kinds of different countries that way.

1783
01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:06.720
<v Speaker 1>They've been caught doing that.

1784
01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:10.039
<v Speaker 3>And you know, there's a reason the Area fifty one

1785
01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:13.119
<v Speaker 3>is in Nevada, and that doug Way Airfields in Utah,

1786
01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:15.760
<v Speaker 3>and that one of the main NSA headquarters is right

1787
01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:21.279
<v Speaker 3>across the Innerstate from Salt Lake City, because the entire

1788
01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:26.640
<v Speaker 3>secret military industrial complex was developed with a partnership back

1789
01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:29.920
<v Speaker 3>in the day between Howard Hughes and a Mormon guy

1790
01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:34.960
<v Speaker 3>named Frank Gay. And Frank Gay was a Mormon. See,

1791
01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:37.560
<v Speaker 3>Howard Hughes is like a multi billionaire, you know, he

1792
01:35:37.640 --> 01:35:41.039
<v Speaker 3>was like Elon Musk at his time. And it's really

1793
01:35:41.079 --> 01:35:44.920
<v Speaker 3>hard when you're famous like that to buy any land because, like,

1794
01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:47.720
<v Speaker 3>let's say, if you were Howard Hughes or Elon Musk

1795
01:35:47.720 --> 01:35:53.439
<v Speaker 3>and you wanted to buy some fifty acres in Nevada somewhere,

1796
01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:56.640
<v Speaker 3>as soon as the property owners figure out who you are,

1797
01:35:56.720 --> 01:35:58.560
<v Speaker 3>they're going to jack the price's way up because they

1798
01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:01.319
<v Speaker 3>know you're worth it, you know. So what they would

1799
01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:05.560
<v Speaker 3>do was Howard Hughes would work through these sub corporations

1800
01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:08.560
<v Speaker 3>through the Mormons, and they actually had a nickname called

1801
01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:12.279
<v Speaker 3>the Mormon mafia and Frank Gay and his friends would

1802
01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:15.000
<v Speaker 3>work for Howard Hughes and they would go buy all

1803
01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:18.079
<v Speaker 3>the properties for dirt cheap, you know, pretending like they

1804
01:36:18.079 --> 01:36:20.319
<v Speaker 3>were just regular members of the church wanting to buy

1805
01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:23.359
<v Speaker 3>the land, but they were really doing it for Howard Hughes.

1806
01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:26.079
<v Speaker 3>And then Howard Hughes would move in and they would

1807
01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:30.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean he bought like over seventy different like seventy

1808
01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:35.560
<v Speaker 3>different properties all around Nevada, all of Las Vegas area

1809
01:36:35.640 --> 01:36:38.239
<v Speaker 3>fifty one like tons of that was all developed through

1810
01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:44.359
<v Speaker 3>that system, through like using billionaire's money and Mormons, the

1811
01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:47.720
<v Speaker 3>Mormon Church doing it in secret. Half of Las Vegas

1812
01:36:47.800 --> 01:36:53.960
<v Speaker 3>was built that way back in the day. It's pretty wild.

1813
01:36:55.680 --> 01:37:01.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a lot of new stuff. Yeah before it's a lot, right,

1814
01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:03.960
<v Speaker 2>some wild stuff.

1815
01:37:04.760 --> 01:37:07.039
<v Speaker 4>Is that the same with the land Disney's.

1816
01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>On I'm not sure, like Walt Disney.

1817
01:37:11.159 --> 01:37:14.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like in Florida Disney World, because I know a

1818
01:37:14.399 --> 01:37:16.319
<v Speaker 4>lot of that, A lot of that land was owned

1819
01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:20.279
<v Speaker 4>by the c I A first, I don't know if

1820
01:37:20.319 --> 01:37:21.880
<v Speaker 4>that has a warming connection or not.

1821
01:37:22.079 --> 01:37:26.279
<v Speaker 1>A lot of more the church owns a ton of

1822
01:37:26.359 --> 01:37:27.199
<v Speaker 1>land in Florida.

1823
01:37:27.479 --> 01:37:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they have the most I think the largest

1824
01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:32.359
<v Speaker 2>orange fields out there still.

1825
01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

1826
01:37:34.560 --> 01:37:37.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're huge into real estate right now. Yeah, there's

1827
01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:41.920
<v Speaker 3>all the church. The church has the religious front, but

1828
01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:43.640
<v Speaker 3>it's really just a mega corporation.

1829
01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, they're.

1830
01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:49.000
<v Speaker 3>Actively buying up tons of real estate and building shopping

1831
01:37:49.039 --> 01:37:53.520
<v Speaker 3>malls and condominiums and all that stuff. And and yeah,

1832
01:37:53.520 --> 01:37:56.439
<v Speaker 3>they do it all through the corporations of the church

1833
01:37:56.479 --> 01:37:58.520
<v Speaker 3>and then they just run the religion over top of

1834
01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:00.199
<v Speaker 3>it to get the donations.

1835
01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:03.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the tithing, the mandatory tithing.

1836
01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, mandatory tithing.

1837
01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:06.079
<v Speaker 3>You can't go to the temple and do the rituals,

1838
01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:08.800
<v Speaker 3>you can't get married or anything. You don't even qualify

1839
01:38:08.840 --> 01:38:10.920
<v Speaker 3>if you're not a full tithe payer. That's on the

1840
01:38:11.279 --> 01:38:13.840
<v Speaker 3>on the interview. To qualify when you go and talk

1841
01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:17.000
<v Speaker 3>to your bishop and everything, just to get approval to go,

1842
01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:20.239
<v Speaker 3>they look at your records and they know if you've

1843
01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:23.399
<v Speaker 3>been paying or not. You know, the ward clerk sits

1844
01:38:23.479 --> 01:38:25.399
<v Speaker 3>right in there with your records and he knows if

1845
01:38:25.399 --> 01:38:28.079
<v Speaker 3>you're paying a full tithe or not. If you're not

1846
01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:31.439
<v Speaker 3>paying ten percent, you don't get in, which is hypocritical

1847
01:38:31.520 --> 01:38:34.439
<v Speaker 3>because a church that has over three hundred billion dollars

1848
01:38:35.079 --> 01:38:38.840
<v Speaker 3>and then they for charity. They only give like ten

1849
01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:42.279
<v Speaker 3>million or twenty million. That's not even a tithe that's

1850
01:38:42.319 --> 01:38:44.880
<v Speaker 3>not even ten percent. So even the church isn't giving

1851
01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:47.560
<v Speaker 3>tithing to charity. They're not doing anything with the money.

1852
01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:51.399
<v Speaker 3>They're just hoarding it. Yeah, you know, and the members

1853
01:38:51.439 --> 01:38:53.800
<v Speaker 3>of the church just don't care. They're just like they're

1854
01:38:53.840 --> 01:38:55.640
<v Speaker 3>just glad. They feel like we're winning.

1855
01:38:55.760 --> 01:38:58.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, our church is the wealthiest, you know, we're

1856
01:38:58.760 --> 01:39:01.439
<v Speaker 1>so powerful. You're not getting any of that.

1857
01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:05.600
<v Speaker 4>Well, how do they know what's ten percent of your income?

1858
01:39:05.600 --> 01:39:07.039
<v Speaker 4>Do you have to give them that information?

1859
01:39:08.279 --> 01:39:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it's all like an honor code kind

1860
01:39:10.600 --> 01:39:12.920
<v Speaker 3>of a thing. But they kind of know. Like when

1861
01:39:12.960 --> 01:39:17.399
<v Speaker 3>I was living in like St. Anthony, Idaho, everybody knows

1862
01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:20.399
<v Speaker 3>I work where I work. It's a small town, like

1863
01:39:20.439 --> 01:39:22.800
<v Speaker 3>I work at the juvenile correction center or whatever, so

1864
01:39:22.840 --> 01:39:25.119
<v Speaker 3>they know how much I make an hour or whatever.

1865
01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:26.119
<v Speaker 1>They kind of guess.

1866
01:39:26.760 --> 01:39:30.359
<v Speaker 3>But it's all like they can when I say, they

1867
01:39:30.399 --> 01:39:33.399
<v Speaker 3>look at the ledger, they can see that like on

1868
01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:36.880
<v Speaker 3>the first of every month, first Sunday of every month,

1869
01:39:36.960 --> 01:39:40.600
<v Speaker 3>did you actually donate or not? You know, are you donating?

1870
01:39:40.720 --> 01:39:43.479
<v Speaker 3>Is it a realistic number or not? And they can

1871
01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:48.560
<v Speaker 3>look at all that and validate it. Yeah, damn, it's

1872
01:39:48.760 --> 01:39:53.159
<v Speaker 3>very high pressure, high demand religion, you know, like you yeah,

1873
01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:55.680
<v Speaker 3>you got to follow a lot of rules, a ton

1874
01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:57.479
<v Speaker 3>of rules to feel like you're doing all right.

1875
01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:05.279
<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, it just sounds like it. I think I

1876
01:40:05.359 --> 01:40:08.239
<v Speaker 2>might wrap it up here and uh, maybe actually, if

1877
01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you don't mind, maybe get you back on to do

1878
01:40:10.079 --> 01:40:12.159
<v Speaker 2>like a part two, because I'm sure there's a lot

1879
01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:15.039
<v Speaker 2>more that we could still even talk about, but this

1880
01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:19.560
<v Speaker 2>is interesting. Uh, thank you very much, Carl, Teresa Ike.

1881
01:40:19.640 --> 01:40:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Before we wrap it up, is there anything else you

1882
01:40:21.319 --> 01:40:22.119
<v Speaker 2>wanted to add or risk?

1883
01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:29.159
<v Speaker 4>No, okay, no, thanks for being so open and like, yeah,

1884
01:40:29.199 --> 01:40:32.800
<v Speaker 4>that was I mean, we've done informing coverage before, but

1885
01:40:32.880 --> 01:40:35.600
<v Speaker 4>that was, like, you know, really amazing to hear your experience,

1886
01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:37.960
<v Speaker 4>and I appreciate that.

1887
01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:41.239
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate the opportunity to like, I'm pretty open about it.

1888
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<v Speaker 3>You know. When I was a member of the church,

1889
01:40:44.600 --> 01:40:47.560
<v Speaker 3>it was like a big deal to share the gospel,

1890
01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Like it was a big thing for me to be

1891
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<v Speaker 3>a missionary, to go and teach people about the Book

1892
01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:55.760
<v Speaker 3>of Mormon, to teach people about the church, try and convert,

1893
01:40:56.159 --> 01:40:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Try and convert all of you guys, to become a

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01:40:58.039 --> 01:41:00.720
<v Speaker 3>Mormon and join me and all that stuff. And I

1895
01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:03.079
<v Speaker 3>feel like I put so much of my life into

1896
01:41:03.119 --> 01:41:05.720
<v Speaker 3>that that now that I'm not a member of the church,

1897
01:41:06.159 --> 01:41:08.720
<v Speaker 3>it's like really therapeutic for me. Like I feel like

1898
01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:12.640
<v Speaker 3>I spent two years as a missionary in Arkansas going

1899
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<v Speaker 3>around knocking on door to door trying to convince people

1900
01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:19.520
<v Speaker 3>that it was true. And now I can hop on

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01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:22.960
<v Speaker 3>and do one podcast and reach it, you know, ten

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01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:26.800
<v Speaker 3>thousand people in one night potentially, And I feel like

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01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:28.800
<v Speaker 3>I make up for it in a good way, like

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01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:32.960
<v Speaker 3>set it straight from all the how far off I

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01:41:33.079 --> 01:41:34.760
<v Speaker 3>was my whole life and didn't realize it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's good for me. I like to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I like to put it out there, and if members

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01:41:40.000 --> 01:41:42.039
<v Speaker 3>of the church watch this and get upset by it,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm no different than any other whistleblower that

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01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:47.680
<v Speaker 3>got out of any other cult. If I got out

1911
01:41:47.720 --> 01:41:49.960
<v Speaker 3>of Scientology, I'd be doing the same thing. If I

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<v Speaker 3>got out of Catholicism and abuse from chrensch or whatever,

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01:41:54.079 --> 01:41:56.399
<v Speaker 3>I would be saying the same stuff about them, you know.

1914
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<v Speaker 3>But I was raised to Mormons, so that's where I'm at.

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<v Speaker 3>I was raising the organization. That was my experience, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that the full truth deserves to be told

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<v Speaker 3>like that rather than this like packaged up version that

1918
01:42:10.680 --> 01:42:13.439
<v Speaker 3>they tell you and don't give you the whole story.

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01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:16.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, they're never gonna tell you about the psychedelics

1920
01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:19.680
<v Speaker 3>and Lumen Walters, They're gonna avoid talking about the scrying

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01:42:19.720 --> 01:42:22.840
<v Speaker 3>and the Seerstone. They're gonna, you know, they'll just tiptoe

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01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:24.720
<v Speaker 3>around all that stuff and try to have it just

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01:42:24.760 --> 01:42:27.199
<v Speaker 3>be about your feelings. You know, well, how does it

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01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:29.119
<v Speaker 3>make you feel when you read the book and all that?

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<v Speaker 3>And to me, I'm just like, I'm over all that.

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01:42:31.960 --> 01:42:34.600
<v Speaker 3>So I'm just really happy to talk about it and

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<v Speaker 3>have the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. That was an amazing, amazing show. Appreciate that

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's links are in the bottom. We got Teresa's down there, Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll add his. I might actually have your links some

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<v Speaker 2>copy and paste, but I'll edge your links in there.

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<v Speaker 2>People want to get in touch with Mike and call Krusha.

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<v Speaker 2>His links are in there already. H Thank you everybody

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<v Speaker 2>in the chat. That's what's up. I had a really

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<v Speaker 2>great show. There was a lot of good stuff going

1936
01:42:58.439 --> 01:43:01.520
<v Speaker 2>on in chat. That's why I do it. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>everybody catching the live. Thank you again, Carl. I'll have

1938
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<v Speaker 2>to get you back on and do a part two

1939
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<v Speaker 2>for this if you don't mind, in the future, some

1940
01:43:09.159 --> 01:43:11.760
<v Speaker 2>really interesting stuff. It's amazing. I've had other people on

1941
01:43:11.880 --> 01:43:13.319
<v Speaker 2>for this stuff, and like there were things that you

1942
01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:15.560
<v Speaker 2>went into that like I still never heard before. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just wild. So I really appreciate it, man. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>the end of another Recult Rejects and until the next one,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody be well later.