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oe dot net. Enjoy your exploration, ny. I got to

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tell you something about when when I saw the title

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of the book and I started reading everything about bottom

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of the pyramid. As as a martial arts instructor, as

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somebody who's been in radio for forty six years, I

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don't mind being on the bottom of the pyramid because

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to me, that's where the security was, because they always

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need someone to fill in somewhere. I'm that guy. I'm

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on the bottom of the pyramid. Please pick me. Did

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you go through that?

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I actually in the book, I actually talk about the people.

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When you think about cheerleading, you know they have their pyramid,

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and who's at the bottom of that pyramid? The strongest people,

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the strongest people you need them or else there's going

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to be no pyramid.

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Speaker 2: So people at the bottom are important.

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Speaker 3: As much as people will say that they're not important

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or they're not needed, they are.

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Speaker 2: Some people need to be at the bottom.

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Speaker 1: And that's why this book is so important to more

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than just people who are in dance or in gymnastics.

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This is a business person's book because that we all

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have these pyramids that are going on inside every walk

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and wall that we get into that. And that's the

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thing about it is that when when you finally find

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your identity and you get it through this book right here,

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all of a sudden, you start feeling better about yourself.

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What was your experience?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well for me, I think that I just I

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just really wanted this book to be.

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Speaker 2: A book about perseverance.

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Speaker 3: Resilience, you know, my story. What I really wanted people

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to take away from it is exactly what you said.

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I wanted people to feel better about whatever situation that

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they're coming from, because sometimes you can't control the situation

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you're in, and it's important to.

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Speaker 2: Make the most out of what you have.

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Speaker 3: And in those moments, what I had was I had

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my strength, you know I and I held onto that

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strength the whole time and remembered who I was and

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stay trued myself. And yeah, and it's hard sometimes whenever

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people will tell you that you're not good enough, that

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you shouldn't be there, that you're not you're you're not enough,

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and you're not worthy. But you have to block it out,

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you know, it's all noise. So for this book, in

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writing it and just the whole thing, it really has

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been a journey. It's taken a lot of self reflection.

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And I'm just really happy that because I've seen it

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firstan I hear people and I'm listening to them in

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the reactions, and it's doing exactly that. It's helping people,

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and that was always the intention of it.

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Speaker 1: My god, you've got so much motivation in you. I

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hope to guy that you're on a speaking tour because

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when you're talking about perseverance and then you're talking about

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moving through things and getting over walls and things, I mean,

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it's so inspiring because the average person today doesn't know

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how to spell perseverance. But you know what, though, here's

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a way that they can test themselves. Every day, say perseverance,

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and I guarantee you'll start understanding it and you can

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put it in your own life, because I think that's

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what we need right now. And from perseverance comes hope,

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and that's what I feel in your book hope.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there's a lot of hope in the book. Yes,

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there's a lot of hope in the book.

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Speaker 1: But at nine years old, Nia, you had to have

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felt like you were already wearing adult shoes.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean I started working at nine year years old,

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and I think people forget that sometimes.

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my gosh, I'm exhausted.

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and I'm like, broll, you have no idea. I loved

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a lot of for a twenty four year old. But yeah, no,

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I but the thing is like, I really am grateful

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for it, and I wouldn't change a thing. I'm a

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hard worker. I love working too. But yes, it's a

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lot for a nine year old to take on. And

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know you have these you know you have like the

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child actors, but you know, this is something that's.

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Speaker 2: Different because we weren't actors.

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Speaker 3: This was our real life and it was being televised,

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and it's a whole different dynamic, and at times it

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became toxic. And you know, when you're growing and you're

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changing through all these and you're making mistakes and it's

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all out there for everyone to see, you know, And

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I think that's the hardest part, is just feeling like

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you're in a fish.

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Speaker 2: Bowl and everyone has an opinion. Everyone.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: See, I don't know how you did it at such

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an early age, and nor do I know how you

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do it even today, because I mean, that's all I

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hear about when it comes to doing the research, from

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television shows to podcasting to radio shows. It's not about

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about being funny anymore. It's about being real. It's about

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being Nia. It's it's about being you know, out there

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the way that you're talking about and and and so

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people can live vicariously through you. So where do you

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get that personal strength to say here, I am, my

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name is Nia. I hope you're having a good day.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm just I've always just kind of had it.

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they're very ambitious. They've always you know, they've they help

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so many people, and you know, their mentors to other people,

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and like, I think it's just.

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Speaker 2: I get that from them.

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Speaker 3: They're they're very accomplished, and I have I have an

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amazing family. I have a really great family, so I

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get it from them. They're great role models. So I

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think that's part of it, you know. And I just remember,

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you know, I just think about, you know, how many

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people in my life have sacrificed things for me, and

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you know, and and just how much it took for

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me to even just get here, you know. So having

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that gratitude along the way and remembering why you started,

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you I remember why I started, and it grounds me

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and it reminds me of like my purpose. You know,

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my name literally means purpose and fahi, so you know,

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with nia Su coming

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up next, the name of her book, Bottom of the Pyramid.

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We are back with Niasou. So here's the thing though,

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the one thing that I've learned about being a creative person,

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especially you know, I'm a third degree black belt, so

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that means that we were doing our poum says my god,

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that inside his emotions and his walk in life, because

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there's something about that even with you as a dancer,

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there is a discipline that never leaves you.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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I think that we're athletes. Yeah, it's you know, when

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you are an athlete, you have a different mindsetef you

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walk a certain way, different way. You know, you have

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you have that energy, you have that grind, you have

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that that fire and that hunger. You know.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think that ever really leaves you. Yeah,

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you just walk through.

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Speaker 3: The world differently, and you know, you just always strive

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to be the best, which also I'm a recovering perfectionist,

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so yeah, but what but you know it's never going

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to leave me, you know, that ambition because that is

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part of me. You know, that's how how I grew up,

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you know, just in the dance world. You know, that's

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that's part of being in it, you know, to always

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strive to be either the best, but for me my best.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you must be reading my notes and the reason

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why is because right here in big letters, it says

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starring in your own life, what was it like to

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keep your perfectionist at bay. I mean, he's like, oh

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my god, you even went on that because it's a

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tough cookie to follow, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It is? It really is. Well.

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Speaker 3: Starting your own life is a phrase that my mom

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would say to me during the show whenever I would

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feel like, you know, I wasn't good enough, or people

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weren't seeing me at my full potential, and and and

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didn't really think much about me, you know. And you know,

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I thought like I was like a side character in life.

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like just always hidden somewhere. And she reminded me that

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in my life, no one gets to be that star.

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No one gets to be front and center in my

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life because it's not their life.

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Speaker 2: It's mine.

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Speaker 3: So remembering that and taking that with me and giving

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myself grace because it is my life and no one

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gets to dictate my life except for me. See.

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Speaker 1: I love that kind of language because that's where we

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are right now. It just seems like there are more

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followers than leaders, because you know, you have the power

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to dictate your life, and you're going ah, too much work.

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I need to find a binge watch and it's like, no,

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you're doing it wrong here. But I mean, that's what

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kind of a leader you are even today and beyond.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I try, and you know it's it's difficult

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sometimes I'm not saying that, you know, it never gets

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hard or I still don't have moments of doubt. But

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you know, whatever thoughts creep in, you know I have

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the tools to combat them, to to make them go away,

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and to settle those those emotions because again it's it's

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Speaker 1: How have you handled the naysayers and the non believers?

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because I'm that guy that will slip off my shoes

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when they're when they're doing a naysayer or a non

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believing comment, and I'll say, put my shoes on. When

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when you put my shoes on and you walk my journey,

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now you can be a naysayer, what do you do?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Well, for me one, I try, I genuinely try not

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to listen if I see something that yeah, you know

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what I mean, like if I try my best to

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not like be in an environment where people are going

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Speaker 2: Because also, like we were never meant.

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Speaker 3: To hear all of this, all everyone's opinions, you know

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what I mean, Like we were we weren't supost to

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hear everyone's opinions about us, And people make it so

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easy to access and to be me and to just

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say whatever. But I think I think it's really just knowing.

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and you don't even want to have like you don't

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even want to make an effort to have any idea.

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So why would I Why would I listen to what

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Speaker 2: Believers, they like, you know, they haven't done the same

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things that I have done. That maybe they have done

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things in their own life, they haven't done the things

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I've done, you know.

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Speaker 3: They think that's really important. I think that's really important

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to remember that just because someone says something like almost all,

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because there are a lot of people, and I see it,

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especially online, take videos from when I was from over

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years ago. You know that's insane, you know, not twenty

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but still but like a long time ago. And they

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use those videos of me maybe missing a step or

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messing up or making a mistake when I was twelve

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years old, and it's like, you're gonna hold that against

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me now in my adult you're.

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Speaker 2: Gonna hold that against me. Wow, you know.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like, well, were they

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perfect at twelve years old?

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Speaker 2: No, because no one was perfect at twelve years old.

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Did you master your crowd at twelve years old? No,

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you did not.

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Speaker 3: So it's just like I think I when you put

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it that way, you know, it's all about perspective.

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Speaker 2: It's all about perspective, and that's what helps me.

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Speaker 3: That's what gets me through it, because you know, you

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have to see things like from that point of view,

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because it's true.

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Speaker 2: It's true, not it's people don't know me as.

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Speaker 3: Much as I put out there and as much as

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I let people into my life. There's still a lot

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that they still don't know, and I just I think

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as a whole, this is a different conversation, but as

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a whole, I do think that we all need to

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give each other more grace. You know, these are crazy

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times and I think that everyone needs a little bit

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more compassion.

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Speaker 1: Well, you remind me so much of Peter in the Bible,

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in the way that Peter would turn around and help

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people up, because I mean, look at what you're doing

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with R and D, the reflex neurovascular dystrophe, Because you

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could have hidden away from the world and walked away

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from the world. But know what did you do? You

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bring it up and people learn through you they may

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not have R and D, but they may have something

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in their life where they need that perseverance to make

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it through that wall.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly exactly.

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Speaker 3: You know. I brought that up because that is a

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huge part of my story, and before the show even started,

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I had gone through that. I already had persevere and

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to really work hard to get to a place where

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I could even just walk again, let blone dance.

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Speaker 2: So it's it boggles my mind.

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Speaker 3: That people, you know, they judged me at nine years old,

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you know, for maybe not being able to keep up

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at the same rate. But also I was going through

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a lot and it's something that you know, like everyone

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at the studio knew, but no one ever wanted to

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talk about. It's it's difficult, but you know, I found

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a way to make it my own and I thought,

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and you know, I I take note of that, and

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that's the reason why I share my my experiences in

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my journey, because people didn't know, and it's time for

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them to know and for them to it's not necessarily

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like you know, say like whoa like it's it's not

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an excuse, but it's it's part of my story and

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it's the reason why I've I've been able to get

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through all of this stuff because I've already been through

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so much, even just as a kid.

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Speaker 2: So and I know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you said, there's a lot of people,

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even if they don't they aren't going through R and D,

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there's other people that go through other things. And just

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to know that, you know, if when you have the strength,

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you know you can you can find a way.

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Speaker 1: Always there is somebody inside their car right now, inside

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their classroom, or inside their house right now that really

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feel misunderstood, overlooked, and they feel stuck, and you are

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not embarrassed to bring that up inside your book. It's

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almost like you're saying, I'm not gonna sit here and

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push you, but I'm gonna show you away.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: I want it my book to be used as encouragement,

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you know, empowerment, because that's why we tell stories.

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Speaker 2: You know, we tell stories so that.

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Speaker 3: The well, we tell stories because everyone's stories stories matter,

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you know, and it's important for people to know that, so,

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you know, make your story good.

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Speaker 1: So how is it that you're able to tap into

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your narrative only because through dancing, you know, that's where

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your story is. You can emote, you can bring things

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out and with the different moves you can make it sharp,

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jagged to the point you can make it go down, low,

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up and around. And then you have to put words

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on a page. Oh my god, what was that transition?

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Speaker 3: Like, it's definitely different. But I went to school for

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American literature and culture, so I had been doing a

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lot of writing and a lot of reading, and I

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always have loved reading. I've always loved memoirs. So being

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able to kind of write out my thoughts and to

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be very honest with myself and vulnerable. It was something

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that I looked forward to, and it was something that

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was really therapeutic and definitely something that made me feel

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some type of closure.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It felt good to get that out because for so

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long I was penting up this energy. I was keeping

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it to myself. Didn't want to tell people how I

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really felt because I didn't want to hurt people's feelings

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and I didn't want to ruffle feathers. And at the

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end of the day, this, like I said, this is

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my life, you know, this is this is me, this

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is who I am, and I'm allowed to talk about

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what I went through. And I think that we'll forget

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that if they you know, if they don't love the

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way that you know, if they don't love what I'm

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talking about, that they should have done better because it's

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just it's my truth.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you have got to come back to this show

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anytime in the future. Twenty minutes with you is not

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enough time.

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Speaker 2: That's very sweet. Thank you so much. Well, you had

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a great time.

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Speaker 1: You'd be brilliant today. Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.