WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:22.000 You were listening to the Age of Transitions. I'm your host, 2 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:26.320 Aaron Franz, coming at you live this Friday night, February 3 00:00:26.399 --> 00:00:31.879 twenty first, twenty twenty five. Live every Friday night from 4 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:36.159 the facilities of ochelly dot Com ten pm to midnight 5 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:39.759 Eastern Standard Time. First hour is the Age of Transitions. 6 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:43.840 Second hour is Uncle the broadcast. But wait, tonight is 7 00:00:43.840 --> 00:00:47.039 somewhat different. We're only doing one hour, so ten pm 8 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.320 to eleven pm Eastern Time, the Age of Transitions. 9 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:51.479 No Uncle Show. 10 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:55.600 Uncle is actually on vacation and he's going to be 11 00:00:55.640 --> 00:01:03.880 away this week and next week. We were doing this show, well, 12 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:06.079 not even last week. I missed the show last week. Sorry, 13 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:08.680 I was busy on the weekend. But the week before that, 14 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:13.640 I just didn't even think and for I frankly forgot 15 00:01:13.799 --> 00:01:17.599 that Uncle's vacation was coming up. But it is, so 16 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:19.319 we won't be doing the Uncle Show for a couple 17 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:22.120 more weeks. Just give me here. I might do some 18 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:27.000 special live streams over the weekend. We shall see, but 19 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:31.200 the Uncle Show shall return not next week, not the 20 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:34.799 week after, but the week after that. Sorry, all you 21 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.640 Uncle fans out there. 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That's a work in progress I have with somebody, 32 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:26.639 so look for that in the near future. Also, we 33 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:33.080 have the Patreon campaign. Thank you everybody who has signed 34 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:36.479 up for Patreon. You helped keep the show going and 35 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:42.319 lots of interesting material there. I will say that the 36 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.039 most recent material I've been loading to the Patreon are videos. 37 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:48.800 I love how you can put videos directly on Patreon. 38 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.120 The functionality's gotten better at Patreon. I know people have 39 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:55.199 kind of maybe shied away from using it, which is 40 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:59.280 unfortunate because it's a better platform technically speaking than it 41 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:02.479 ever has in terms of for the creator side, I'm 42 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:05.240 able to load pretty much anything I want to up to. 43 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.199 Before it was very limited and that was quite annoying. 44 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:12.280 But I've been playing videos on there that I got 45 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:16.360 back in two thousand and nine at the Singularity Summit 46 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:21.319 that I attended in New York City. Me and Carlos 47 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.919 from trans Alchemy, we were working together at the time 48 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.479 on that blog. We went there and covered it, got 49 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:33.759 press passed, and we were primarily backstage in this weird 50 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:38.400 little room shooting interviews with various speakers and people that 51 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:40.719 just happened to be at the conference that were interesting. 52 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:43.560 So I'm going through all my tapes that I got 53 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:48.759 from that event and loading them unedited. I'm just playing 54 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:52.599 them directly, the unedited footage of the whole thing, and 55 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:56.120 posting it to my Patreon. That's where those That's the 56 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:57.719 only place you'll be able to get those vaders. I'm 57 00:03:57.759 --> 00:04:02.039 not really planning on doing anything else with those for 58 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:06.120 the foreseeable future, but I will say there's also the 59 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.800 affiliate ads on the Ature transitions dot com, so nobody 60 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:12.199 ever goes those anyway, but they're there. Back to the 61 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.840 two thousand and nine Singularity Summit, it was an historic event. 62 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:17.519 It truly was. 63 00:04:18.800 --> 00:04:21.839 It was one of those events that very few people 64 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:28.600 knew about, but it was important, and the concepts and 65 00:04:28.720 --> 00:04:34.560 just the goings on around the conference were just as 66 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:37.720 important as, if not more so, than, what was actually 67 00:04:37.800 --> 00:04:43.959 happening up on the podium with the speakers. The topics 68 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:46.720 that they were talking about, yes, were important, but almost 69 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:50.879 like the actual presentation of these topics and who was 70 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:56.399 doing it was at least equally as interesting. I don't 71 00:04:56.439 --> 00:05:00.000 remember if I've told this story. I think I told 72 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:04.240 this story long ago on the show. But I did 73 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:08.759 arrive in New York City going to that. I came 74 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:13.160 in on a flight. This would have been just when 75 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:15.319 I had been living in California for a year, so 76 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.040 I had to fly out there. I'm trying to remember 77 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:19.639 all the ins and outs that I just know that 78 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:22.279 I came in on a flight and I was waiting 79 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:25.639 for Carlos to pick me up at I was one 80 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:28.959 of the New York airports. I think it was JFK. 81 00:05:30.279 --> 00:05:32.160 I believe it was one of those ones. The GUARDI 82 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.720 or JFK is one of the two. I'm not so 83 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:37.839 familiar with those two. Have been to them, but not anyway. 84 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.879 I was outside waiting to be picked up. He was 85 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:43.920 taking a few minutes. You know, I was waiting outside 86 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:45.959 for a while. That's okay, you know, it was no 87 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.680 big deal. But as I was waiting out there with 88 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:55.399 my bags, who also walked out and was promptly picked up. 89 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:59.680 I will say, well, none other than Ray Kurtzwell. He 90 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:02.000 was out there. He got picked up by a nice 91 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:06.360 Lincoln Talent car. He got in and there's all sorts 92 00:06:06.399 --> 00:06:08.519 of I feel like there was somebody else in the car. 93 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:11.639 Who else was in there. There's some of those other 94 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.040 nut jobs that were at the conference. But he got 95 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:16.600 picked up. He got with straight away, and he was 96 00:06:16.600 --> 00:06:20.199 a speaker at that conference. You know, he's mister Singularity himself. 97 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.800 He's one of the big spokesmen, and to this day 98 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:28.519 he's working at Google in that capacity. Machine Machine Intelligence 99 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:32.920 Research Institute is the name of the group that put 100 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:36.639 on the Singularity Summit, and that exists to this day. 101 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.680 And then he's you know, got his job there at 102 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:46.839 Google and it's all connected. But the other big name 103 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:50.959 at Singularity Institute. And I did not get an interview 104 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:53.839 with Kurtzwell. I did not get an interview with Peter Deele. 105 00:06:54.519 --> 00:06:57.759 Peter Deele was the he really stole the show. At 106 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:02.480 the two thousand and nine Singularity Summit, he did a 107 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:07.839 presentation about macroeconomics and let me see here, let's see 108 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:12.839 macroeconomics and singularity. It wasn't too long of a presentation. 109 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:15.720 He starts out asking the audience what they think, what 110 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:19.120 they're most worried about in the future, and he talks 111 00:07:19.160 --> 00:07:26.319 about his general thesis is that the problem he foresees 112 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:31.079 is that the Singularity just won't happen fast enough, so 113 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:39.800 the arrival of superintelligence, of artificial general intelligence to reshape 114 00:07:40.519 --> 00:07:45.839 the world is just going to get delayed too long 115 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.199 so that we can't make the progress that we need to. 116 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.399 And you know, there'll be we're gonna be in big 117 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:54.120 trouble because we did not do that. But you know, 118 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.079 he says all sorts of other interesting things throughout that 119 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:01.720 It's worth a watch. You can find it online. When 120 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.000 he was giving that speech, we were backstage interviewing somebody. 121 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:09.959 I remember somehow being on the side of the stage 122 00:08:10.000 --> 00:08:12.560 as well, and Kurtzel was there looking over notes and 123 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:17.000 he was like kind of but then also Teal was there, 124 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:19.560 and I forget why. Just like for a minute, we 125 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.879 went to the side stage like on the side of 126 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:23.800 the stage where the presenters would be. For some reason, 127 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:27.639 I can't remember why this was, but Kurtzseell was there 128 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:31.800 looking at his notes. Deal was there surrounded by like 129 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:35.360 reporters hounding him with all these questions. And then he 130 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.240 basically like, Okay, I gotta get out of here, and 131 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:39.679 he left. So he was there, and that's all I 132 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:43.240 saw of him, and really of Kurtzwell too. I ain't 133 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:44.879 talk to either one of them. I just kind of sound, 134 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:47.240 you know, don't so whatever kind of thing. But that 135 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:50.320 did happen, the airport thing with Kurtzwell and then the 136 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.360 side of the stage, and then really what Carlos and 137 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.919 I were doing working those interviews, which again I will 138 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:01.120 be loading all those I might I really, if I 139 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.440 get the time, I will load another one this weekend. 140 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:06.320 I want to do that, so look for that. That 141 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.840 might be what I spend my time doing this weekend 142 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:13.840 of the stream. But that was the two thousand and 143 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:18.159 nine Singularity Summit at the ninety two hy in New 144 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:25.799 York City. It's the venue for that. Peter Thiel is 145 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:35.080 an interesting person. He's a libertarian. And I have made 146 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:38.440 the point, or I said this on my ex account 147 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.759 at Franz Simulation. I think a week or two ago 148 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.120 I made the point that I believe he is the libertarian, 149 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.440 Peter tel And why is that? 150 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:50.879 Well? 151 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:55.480 I believe he's the libertarian because if you look at 152 00:09:55.600 --> 00:10:02.879 him and everything he's involved with and his philosophy, his political, 153 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:13.000 social ideology philosophy, it doesn't exactly jive and his frankly 154 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.440 his business history. Right that more than anything there doesn't 155 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:21.240 exactly jive with what I at least think of when 156 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:28.399 I hear libertarianism as a political movement. Now maybe I'm 157 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:32.720 wrong about things, but my general quick take on libertarianism 158 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:35.799 is that, yes, you're for limited government, right, yeah we 159 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:40.559 all know that, but you're also for freedom of the 160 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:44.200 individual right and civil liberties. I know that people make 161 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:48.279 a distinction with like civil libertarian, but for me, I 162 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.840 hear libertarian and civil liberties are huge. So you got 163 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:54.519 people have to be able to do and be free 164 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:58.440 to do whatever they want essentially without being worried about 165 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:03.039 being punished by a government of any sort. 166 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:03.360 Right. 167 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:09.399 And yes, that's my generic take on this limited government, 168 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:18.240 empower private enterprise, shy away from government whenever you can. 169 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.600 And so when I see Peter Thiel, a guy that 170 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:27.679 has made his fortune in large part on government contracts, 171 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:36.720 and he has gotten himself inside the inside national intelligence 172 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:47.000 with Palanteer and all that huge government contracts. At his 173 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.879 security clearances. He he must has a ridiculous amount of 174 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.840 security clearances he is in there with the federal government, 175 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:56.440 and it's a big part of what made him who 176 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:59.399 he is. Yes, there's the PayPal thing, we know about that. 177 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:04.720 Yes there's the Facebook stuff and his investments with that 178 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:08.200 and everything else he has done to become the billionaire 179 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:13.960 that he is. But you know, for being mister limited government. 180 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:17.720 That's that's the thing with me. It's like, how what 181 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.360 is going on there? Like how does this square up 182 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:31.279 exactly for me? But what's interesting is to see not 183 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:39.240 necessarily libertarianism as a political ideal as a political party, 184 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:51.799 but the practical ways in which libertarian ideology and philosophy 185 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:59.519 has grown and has changed. Certainly, it seems to have 186 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:04.440 undergone a few changes over the years that actually kind 187 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:08.279 of line up and makes sense with Peter Thiel and 188 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:12.519 how he might actually be a libertarian because the proper 189 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:17.720 edits have been made over time to the ideology, and 190 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:19.879 you can see this in the people claiming to be 191 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:30.200 libertarians themselves posting all over social media the concept of 192 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:37.799 limited government not strictly limited to libertarianism, but that has 193 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:43.759 just a general concept. The limited government idea fits in 194 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:47.600 with all sorts of different political groups, right, I mean, 195 00:13:47.639 --> 00:13:51.799 the Republican Party is about limited government, you know, on 196 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.879 their love of Ronald Reagan and all of this and 197 00:13:55.480 --> 00:14:03.320 all of the all of the making for the Republican 198 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:11.799 Party that has undergone interesting changes over the years as well. 199 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.639 And I've commented time and time again over the years 200 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:22.919 on this show about the merge of the mainstream Republican 201 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:29.399 Party and the more fringe elements which would have included yes, 202 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:38.840 libertarians and different independent people who are into the concept 203 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:41.840 of limited government and all this that have gotten their 204 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:47.679 ideas from alternative media online that has pushed these concepts 205 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:52.200 in a big way over at over a decade now, 206 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.480 it's been well over that amount of time where these 207 00:14:55.679 --> 00:15:00.279 general concepts have been being pushed over and over aga again, 208 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:06.000 and there's there's been changes and again ideas have been twisted, 209 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:10.759 and what was republican five ten years ago is not 210 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:12.639 what a Republican is now. 211 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:13.519 But that's okay. 212 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.559 And what a libertarian is now is not what a 213 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.679 libertarian would have been five, ten, fifteen years ago. Again, 214 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:24.799 my probably not great definition of libertarianism at the start 215 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:27.519 of this, But it doesn't really matter what my definition 216 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:29.120 of libertarianism is. 217 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:32.759 It just matters. 218 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:36.919 What matters is the way that things work out, the 219 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:44.200 political realities that come to be. And how have we 220 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:50.080 gotten to the point where we are now? How did 221 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:57.919 such amazing ideological shifts happen in what was a surprisingly 222 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:01.759 short amount of time over this past decade or so. 223 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:06.960 If you have been paying attention, you have noticed these changes. 224 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:13.360 And I'm saying that it's not a coincidence that these 225 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:19.279 things have happened. I'm also saying that these general concepts, 226 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:25.200 these ideological these ideologies, these political stances have been used 227 00:16:25.919 --> 00:16:30.759 to achieve very real political ends and have gotten us 228 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:38.320 to where we are now. There's a very real technical 229 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:44.720 side to how this all works, too, which revolves around 230 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:57.879 information technology, internet, social media, analytics, surveillance. 231 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.000 Data, big data. 232 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:06.079 Nobody really uses that term amore, but still a very 233 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:14.920 real thing. And there is a confluence of this tech 234 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:20.559 world and the political world. How do you think political 235 00:17:20.599 --> 00:17:30.200 campaigns have been orienting themselves these past few chaotic years 236 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:33.119 and election cycles that each year gets crazier and crazier, 237 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:41.039 the air, the rhetoric more fiery every year. What was 238 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:49.680 once very controversial now being used in presidential debates, not 239 00:17:49.920 --> 00:17:54.599 just used by some candidate that's going to be pushed out. Yeah, yeah, Okay, 240 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.119 they'll say some crazy stuff at an early debate, but 241 00:17:57.119 --> 00:17:59.920 don't worry. That candidate won't be back for the later 242 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.599 the next debate, the next to televised debate, we will 243 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:06.359 weeded that candidate out and it will be a smaller 244 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.440 group of maybe four of them there are left that 245 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:12.559 crazy guy's I could be eight there anymore. No, things 246 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:15.920 have changed quite a bit. The crazy guy has become 247 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:21.680 the winner. Do you think that is on accident? Do 248 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:24.440 you think that's just happened. Do you think we've won? 249 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.960 That's a good question. Do you believe that we the 250 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:32.440 alternative community, those that are championing freedom, those are championing 251 00:18:32.559 --> 00:18:36.839 limited government, those are championing any idea that we fall 252 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:43.440 into this general category which seems unfair to be generalized 253 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:46.960 and to be wishy washy and sort of gray and 254 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:51.599 not noncommittal. I'm not committing to like this is libertarianism. 255 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.079 This isn't Republicans, this is not the Republicans, It's not 256 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:55.920 the libertarians. 257 00:18:56.200 --> 00:18:58.480 It's not this or that thing. 258 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:03.160 Because this is the way it works, everything just amalgamates 259 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:09.559 into this gray area where you can't even tell what 260 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:12.839 the connections are and why everything has lined up the 261 00:19:12.839 --> 00:19:15.240 way it has. But I can tell you it has 262 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:19.480 for a very real reason. This did not just happen overnight. 263 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.079 This has been going on for years. It was not 264 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:29.160 by accident. Social media was set up to gather data 265 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:33.720 on its users. It does that. That is business model. 266 00:19:33.839 --> 00:19:36.240 Is the data We've heard, I mean you've probably heard 267 00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:38.680 this a million times over and over again that in 268 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:42.119 this information age, data is they liken it to like 269 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.000 the new oil. They call it a resource. It is 270 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.960 a resource. It is an asset. It has value. That 271 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:54.960 is the value that is extracted from these platforms is 272 00:19:55.039 --> 00:20:00.519 the data that is gathered on the users, and it's sold. 273 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:08.039 Data is bought and sold that is collected from social 274 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:12.480 media use. And that's you know, the terms of service. 275 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:15.759 You sign away your right to do that. And I'm sure, 276 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:17.079 I mean, I don't have to sit up here and 277 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:19.119 tell you about that. I think everybody is as common 278 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:23.000 knowledge now, so we know that's been going on and 279 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:28.440 it's sold to all sorts of different buyers. Back to 280 00:20:28.920 --> 00:20:32.839 the political campaigns, how do you think it is that 281 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:44.759 they get the topics that they infuse into their candidates platform? 282 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:50.759 How do you think different political platforms are orchestrated and 283 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:59.640 put together. Do you think that perhaps data do you 284 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:04.640 think maybe political parties could be buyers of data from 285 00:21:05.000 --> 00:21:09.559 when it's out on that marketplace, the social media, when 286 00:21:09.599 --> 00:21:15.200 they sell it to bidders or political campaigns buying that data. 287 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:21.839 Who are the donors to these campaigns that come from 288 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:25.079 out of nowhere? Where did that guy come from? Wha 289 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:27.440 what was he saying yesterday? I don't know, but he's 290 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:31.920 saying the opposite thing today. Who put him up there? 291 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:33.720 Where did the guy? Where does this guy get his 292 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:43.119 money to run for office? It comes from the people 293 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:55.000 who brought you these wonderful technological toys, these social media platforms. Really, 294 00:21:55.039 --> 00:22:00.519 the whole of what online life is today is brought 295 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:05.880 to you by the same people that are funding oh 296 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:08.720 so many things that we're not even privy to. We 297 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:15.759 can't even know all the donations and funding of what's 298 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:20.319 going on out there. However, if you are paying attention, 299 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:24.920 you know, and you see, you see the connections, you 300 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:31.000 see how you've seen these changes. That are a good 301 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:33.079 way to come at it is to analyze where we 302 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:36.759 are now, what people are saying, and even go back 303 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:41.519 in the wayback machine again a decade is a good 304 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:44.480 way to do it. And these people that are screaming 305 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:51.079 mostly in support of our wonderful leadership. Now, those that 306 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:57.000 are who are the loudest, most gung ho supporters for 307 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:04.240 what's happening to our FA government mainly through the executive branch, 308 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:09.200 a lot of supporters for that, the loudest ones, go 309 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:13.480 back ten years and see what they were saying. You 310 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:16.599 might find some contradictions to what they're saying is a 311 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:22.000 good idea today Again, we live in a world of 312 00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:26.200 contradictions where somebody presents themselves a certain way and then 313 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:30.119 they go a complete opposite direction and it doesn't make sense, 314 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:30.759 does it? 315 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:31.920 Or does it? 316 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:33.519 Nope? 317 00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:34.799 Chuck, I hear you, what's going on? 318 00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:37.680 Yeah? I just wanted to quickly ask you a question 319 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:40.400 that because I've done some interviews on a couple of 320 00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:44.359 other platforms this past ten days or so, and I 321 00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:48.079 keep asking this question that makes everybody stammer. 322 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:51.119 Oh boy, I can't wait to hear what it is. 323 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:52.960 I really don't know what it is. I haven't heard it, Chuck, 324 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.160 what we got? Oh, it's great. It relates to you. 325 00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:57.400 And I know you haven't been listening to my guest 326 00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:59.519 appearances because I haven't really pushed them all that hard 327 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:01.960 because recording stuff, I don't know when they're airing it. 328 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.119 You know, it's a big thing. So outside of Richie Allen, 329 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:10.599 which was live, I keep asking this question to people 330 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:13.680 that are happy with what they see right now, right 331 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:16.880 because I remember that ten years back, and I remember 332 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:18.359 twenty years back erin you. 333 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.519 Know, yeah, yeah, good, keep going, Uck, keep going, because 334 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:24.279 it's worth it to do that. 335 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:27.839 And I recall that a lot of the people that 336 00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:29.720 you know, a lot of people that have voices today 337 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:34.319 didn't voice anything back then. True, okay, but those that did, 338 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.519 those that did exist, even if they were just frustrated 339 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:40.559 facebookers and they couldn't figure out YouTube. Yet now it's 340 00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.519 gotten easier. They everybody's got a podcast. Everybody and their 341 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:47.799 mama got a podcast, right at least for a little while. 342 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:49.400 And if they don't have a podcast, they got a 343 00:24:49.480 --> 00:24:52.599 channel somewhere. They're on X Live. But they're doing something. 344 00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:55.839 But the thing is a whole lot of people who 345 00:24:55.880 --> 00:25:00.000 were saying the technocracy is going to take us sober. 346 00:25:00.640 --> 00:25:03.680 We are human beings, we deserve to exist. It was 347 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:06.319 linked into the libertarian thing. It was linked into all 348 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:12.039 those It's funny they're celebrating as Peter tele and the 349 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.519 holders of about eighty percent of social media in the 350 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:20.759 English speaking world anyway, all stood on stage with Donald Trump. Yes, 351 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:23.240 and every one of them, in one way or another, 352 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:27.079 says now things are better. Now, things are better. Now, 353 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.720 things are gonna get better. And these are people that 354 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:33.160 are supposedly out there analyzing stuff. They're supposedly part of 355 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:35.799 the old media. Yeah, that those that want to still 356 00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:40.440 claim the old crown. And yet they're happy with this. 357 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.880 And a few years ago and ten years ago, for sure, 358 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.799 if they had a voice at all, they were worried 359 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:52.279 about this happening. They would not have wanted a guy 360 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.000 like Elon Musk loose on anything. 361 00:25:57.079 --> 00:26:00.720 Peter Teal is there with them now, he's one of 362 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:01.200 the names. 363 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.640 Kurzwell, the Singularity. They're gonna turn us into robots, oh 364 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:08.880 my god. And now they're like, but Trump's there and 365 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:09.680 Musk is there. 366 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:11.680 It's all good, and. 367 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:17.480 They are speaking loudly for not themselves. Okay, I don't 368 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.720 know what their mentality is. I'm not gonna sit here 369 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:23.559 and psychoanalyze it. But I'm very confused as I as 370 00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:27.119 I think i'm hearing you be confused by this problem. 371 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.839 So the question is what made them change sides on 372 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:31.720 the technocracy? 373 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:32.400 That was? 374 00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:36.839 That was my question basically, because they did, and they 375 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:40.480 all did, and I don't know why nobody's questioning this. Yeah, 376 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.119 But the weirdest part of it, and this is the 377 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:46.519 addendum I gotta give to you. Pin that question and 378 00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:49.920 just tell me what made them switch sides? Please, outside 379 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:52.519 of now my guy is in there. See when I 380 00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:54.440 thought it was a liberal crazy thing and it was 381 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.799 gonna take away our ability to be male or female. 382 00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:59.799 Therefore I was, I was it was problematic. But since 383 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:01.799 we're still going to be men and women because Trump 384 00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:05.160 declared it, it's okay. We can now go into the singularity, 385 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:09.519 all right. But the weirdest thing is that they would 386 00:27:09.519 --> 00:27:12.039 not have wanted the billionaires to be in control of 387 00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.039 our lives. They wouldn't have wanted and they newly meant 388 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:17.400 to Trump as a billionaire before he went into office. 389 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:19.480 They made sure of it with his crypto and all 390 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:23.279 that too. You know, so this whole twisted world is 391 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:27.599 now okay, and I can't figure it out. I can't 392 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:31.720 figure out what switch got flipped here because something happened. 393 00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:35.720 But anyway, on top of that this, you know, the 394 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.359 new media out there, I want to know what victory 395 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.880 feels like because I am finding the people that they're 396 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:45.640 really speaking for are the most ignorant on the planet. 397 00:27:45.759 --> 00:27:49.400 They are the people who are approaching me right now. 398 00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.200 And it doesn't matter if it's the guide delivering stuff 399 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.480 to my house or it's people emailing me, It doesn't matter. 400 00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.480 Aren't you happy now that one of two questions RFK 401 00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:06.039