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Speaker 1: lots of interesting material there. I will say that the
Speaker 1: most recent material I've been loading to the Patreon are videos.
Speaker 1: I love how you can put videos directly on Patreon.
Speaker 1: The functionality's gotten better at Patreon. I know people have
Speaker 1: kind of maybe shied away from using it, which is
Speaker 1: unfortunate because it's a better platform technically speaking than it
Speaker 1: ever has in terms of for the creator side, I'm
Speaker 1: able to load pretty much anything I want to up to.
Speaker 1: Before it was very limited and that was quite annoying.
Speaker 1: But I've been playing videos on there that I got
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and nine at the Singularity Summit
Speaker 1: that I attended in New York City. Me and Carlos
Speaker 1: from trans Alchemy, we were working together at the time
Speaker 1: on that blog. We went there and covered it, got
Speaker 1: press passed, and we were primarily backstage in this weird
Speaker 1: little room shooting interviews with various speakers and people that
Speaker 1: just happened to be at the conference that were interesting.
Speaker 1: So I'm going through all my tapes that I got
Speaker 1: from that event and loading them unedited. I'm just playing
Speaker 1: them directly, the unedited footage of the whole thing, and
Speaker 1: posting it to my Patreon. That's where those That's the
Speaker 1: only place you'll be able to get those vaders. I'm
Speaker 1: not really planning on doing anything else with those for
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future, but I will say there's also the
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Speaker 1: ever goes those anyway, but they're there. Back to the
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine Singularity Summit, it was an historic event.
Speaker 2: It truly was.
Speaker 1: It was one of those events that very few people
Speaker 1: knew about, but it was important, and the concepts and
Speaker 1: just the goings on around the conference were just as
Speaker 1: important as, if not more so, than, what was actually
Speaker 1: happening up on the podium with the speakers. The topics
Speaker 1: that they were talking about, yes, were important, but almost
Speaker 1: like the actual presentation of these topics and who was
Speaker 1: doing it was at least equally as interesting. I don't
Speaker 1: remember if I've told this story. I think I told
Speaker 1: this story long ago on the show. But I did
Speaker 1: arrive in New York City going to that. I came
Speaker 1: in on a flight. This would have been just when
Speaker 1: I had been living in California for a year, so
Speaker 1: I had to fly out there. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 1: all the ins and outs that I just know that
Speaker 1: I came in on a flight and I was waiting
Speaker 1: for Carlos to pick me up at I was one
Speaker 1: of the New York airports. I think it was JFK.
Speaker 1: I believe it was one of those ones. The GUARDI
Speaker 1: or JFK is one of the two. I'm not so
Speaker 1: familiar with those two. Have been to them, but not anyway.
Speaker 1: I was outside waiting to be picked up. He was
Speaker 1: taking a few minutes. You know, I was waiting outside
Speaker 1: for a while. That's okay, you know, it was no
Speaker 1: big deal. But as I was waiting out there with
Speaker 1: my bags, who also walked out and was promptly picked up.
Speaker 1: I will say, well, none other than Ray Kurtzwell. He
Speaker 1: was out there. He got picked up by a nice
Speaker 1: Lincoln Talent car. He got in and there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of I feel like there was somebody else in the car.
Speaker 1: Who else was in there. There's some of those other
Speaker 1: nut jobs that were at the conference. But he got
Speaker 1: picked up. He got with straight away, and he was
Speaker 1: a speaker at that conference. You know, he's mister Singularity himself.
Speaker 1: He's one of the big spokesmen, and to this day
Speaker 1: he's working at Google in that capacity. Machine Machine Intelligence
Speaker 1: Research Institute is the name of the group that put
Speaker 1: on the Singularity Summit, and that exists to this day.
Speaker 1: And then he's you know, got his job there at
Speaker 1: Google and it's all connected. But the other big name
Speaker 1: at Singularity Institute. And I did not get an interview
Speaker 1: with Kurtzwell. I did not get an interview with Peter Deele.
Speaker 1: Peter Deele was the he really stole the show. At
Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine Singularity Summit, he did a
Speaker 1: presentation about macroeconomics and let me see here, let's see
Speaker 1: macroeconomics and singularity. It wasn't too long of a presentation.
Speaker 1: He starts out asking the audience what they think, what
Speaker 1: they're most worried about in the future, and he talks
Speaker 1: about his general thesis is that the problem he foresees
Speaker 1: is that the Singularity just won't happen fast enough, so
Speaker 1: the arrival of superintelligence, of artificial general intelligence to reshape
Speaker 1: the world is just going to get delayed too long
Speaker 1: so that we can't make the progress that we need to.
Speaker 1: And you know, there'll be we're gonna be in big
Speaker 1: trouble because we did not do that. But you know,
Speaker 1: he says all sorts of other interesting things throughout that
Speaker 1: It's worth a watch. You can find it online. When
Speaker 1: he was giving that speech, we were backstage interviewing somebody.
Speaker 1: I remember somehow being on the side of the stage
Speaker 1: as well, and Kurtzel was there looking over notes and
Speaker 1: he was like kind of but then also Teal was there,
Speaker 1: and I forget why. Just like for a minute, we
Speaker 1: went to the side stage like on the side of
Speaker 1: the stage where the presenters would be. For some reason,
Speaker 1: I can't remember why this was, but Kurtzseell was there
Speaker 1: looking at his notes. Deal was there surrounded by like
Speaker 1: reporters hounding him with all these questions. And then he
Speaker 1: basically like, Okay, I gotta get out of here, and
Speaker 1: he left. So he was there, and that's all I
Speaker 1: saw of him, and really of Kurtzwell too. I ain't
Speaker 1: talk to either one of them. I just kind of sound,
Speaker 1: you know, don't so whatever kind of thing. But that
Speaker 1: did happen, the airport thing with Kurtzwell and then the
Speaker 1: side of the stage, and then really what Carlos and
Speaker 1: I were doing working those interviews, which again I will
Speaker 1: be loading all those I might I really, if I
Speaker 1: get the time, I will load another one this weekend.
Speaker 1: I want to do that, so look for that. That
Speaker 1: might be what I spend my time doing this weekend
Speaker 1: of the stream. But that was the two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine Singularity Summit at the ninety two hy in New
Speaker 1: York City. It's the venue for that. Peter Thiel is
Speaker 1: an interesting person. He's a libertarian. And I have made
Speaker 1: the point, or I said this on my ex account
Speaker 1: at Franz Simulation. I think a week or two ago
Speaker 1: I made the point that I believe he is the libertarian,
Speaker 1: Peter tel And why is that?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I believe he's the libertarian because if you look at
Speaker 1: him and everything he's involved with and his philosophy, his political,
Speaker 1: social ideology philosophy, it doesn't exactly jive and his frankly
Speaker 1: his business history. Right that more than anything there doesn't
Speaker 1: exactly jive with what I at least think of when
Speaker 1: I hear libertarianism as a political movement. Now maybe I'm
Speaker 1: wrong about things, but my general quick take on libertarianism
Speaker 1: is that, yes, you're for limited government, right, yeah we
Speaker 1: all know that, but you're also for freedom of the
Speaker 1: individual right and civil liberties. I know that people make
Speaker 1: a distinction with like civil libertarian, but for me, I
Speaker 1: hear libertarian and civil liberties are huge. So you got
Speaker 1: people have to be able to do and be free
Speaker 1: to do whatever they want essentially without being worried about
Speaker 1: being punished by a government of any sort.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And yes, that's my generic take on this limited government,
Speaker 1: empower private enterprise, shy away from government whenever you can.
Speaker 1: And so when I see Peter Thiel, a guy that
Speaker 1: has made his fortune in large part on government contracts,
Speaker 1: and he has gotten himself inside the inside national intelligence
Speaker 1: with Palanteer and all that huge government contracts. At his
Speaker 1: security clearances. He he must has a ridiculous amount of
Speaker 1: security clearances he is in there with the federal government,
Speaker 1: and it's a big part of what made him who
Speaker 1: he is. Yes, there's the PayPal thing, we know about that.
Speaker 1: Yes there's the Facebook stuff and his investments with that
Speaker 1: and everything else he has done to become the billionaire
Speaker 1: that he is. But you know, for being mister limited government.
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing with me. It's like, how what
Speaker 1: is going on there? Like how does this square up
Speaker 1: exactly for me? But what's interesting is to see not
Speaker 1: necessarily libertarianism as a political ideal as a political party,
Speaker 1: but the practical ways in which libertarian ideology and philosophy
Speaker 1: has grown and has changed. Certainly, it seems to have
Speaker 1: undergone a few changes over the years that actually kind
Speaker 1: of line up and makes sense with Peter Thiel and
Speaker 1: how he might actually be a libertarian because the proper
Speaker 1: edits have been made over time to the ideology, and
Speaker 1: you can see this in the people claiming to be
Speaker 1: libertarians themselves posting all over social media the concept of
Speaker 1: limited government not strictly limited to libertarianism, but that has
Speaker 1: just a general concept. The limited government idea fits in
Speaker 1: with all sorts of different political groups, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Republican Party is about limited government, you know, on
Speaker 1: their love of Ronald Reagan and all of this and
Speaker 1: all of the all of the making for the Republican
Speaker 1: Party that has undergone interesting changes over the years as well.
Speaker 1: And I've commented time and time again over the years
Speaker 1: on this show about the merge of the mainstream Republican
Speaker 1: Party and the more fringe elements which would have included yes,
Speaker 1: libertarians and different independent people who are into the concept
Speaker 1: of limited government and all this that have gotten their
Speaker 1: ideas from alternative media online that has pushed these concepts
Speaker 1: in a big way over at over a decade now,
Speaker 1: it's been well over that amount of time where these
Speaker 1: general concepts have been being pushed over and over aga again,
Speaker 1: and there's there's been changes and again ideas have been twisted,
Speaker 1: and what was republican five ten years ago is not
Speaker 1: what a Republican is now.
Speaker 2: But that's okay.
Speaker 1: And what a libertarian is now is not what a
Speaker 1: libertarian would have been five, ten, fifteen years ago. Again,
Speaker 1: my probably not great definition of libertarianism at the start
Speaker 1: of this, But it doesn't really matter what my definition
Speaker 1: of libertarianism is.
Speaker 2: It just matters.
Speaker 1: What matters is the way that things work out, the
Speaker 1: political realities that come to be. And how have we
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where we are now? How did
Speaker 1: such amazing ideological shifts happen in what was a surprisingly
Speaker 1: short amount of time over this past decade or so.
Speaker 1: If you have been paying attention, you have noticed these changes.
Speaker 1: And I'm saying that it's not a coincidence that these
Speaker 1: things have happened. I'm also saying that these general concepts,
Speaker 1: these ideological these ideologies, these political stances have been used
Speaker 1: to achieve very real political ends and have gotten us
Speaker 1: to where we are now. There's a very real technical
Speaker 1: side to how this all works, too, which revolves around
Speaker 1: information technology, internet, social media, analytics, surveillance.
Speaker 2: Data, big data.
Speaker 1: Nobody really uses that term amore, but still a very
Speaker 1: real thing. And there is a confluence of this tech
Speaker 1: world and the political world. How do you think political
Speaker 1: campaigns have been orienting themselves these past few chaotic years
Speaker 1: and election cycles that each year gets crazier and crazier,
Speaker 1: the air, the rhetoric more fiery every year. What was
Speaker 1: once very controversial now being used in presidential debates, not
Speaker 1: just used by some candidate that's going to be pushed out. Yeah, yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: they'll say some crazy stuff at an early debate, but
Speaker 1: don't worry. That candidate won't be back for the later
Speaker 1: the next debate, the next to televised debate, we will
Speaker 1: weeded that candidate out and it will be a smaller
Speaker 1: group of maybe four of them there are left that
Speaker 1: crazy guy's I could be eight there anymore. No, things
Speaker 1: have changed quite a bit. The crazy guy has become
Speaker 1: the winner. Do you think that is on accident? Do
Speaker 1: you think that's just happened. Do you think we've won?
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Do you believe that we the
Speaker 1: alternative community, those that are championing freedom, those are championing
Speaker 1: limited government, those are championing any idea that we fall
Speaker 1: into this general category which seems unfair to be generalized
Speaker 1: and to be wishy washy and sort of gray and
Speaker 1: not noncommittal. I'm not committing to like this is libertarianism.
Speaker 1: This isn't Republicans, this is not the Republicans, It's not
Speaker 1: the libertarians.
Speaker 2: It's not this or that thing.
Speaker 1: Because this is the way it works, everything just amalgamates
Speaker 1: into this gray area where you can't even tell what
Speaker 1: the connections are and why everything has lined up the
Speaker 1: way it has. But I can tell you it has
Speaker 1: for a very real reason. This did not just happen overnight.
Speaker 1: This has been going on for years. It was not
Speaker 1: by accident. Social media was set up to gather data
Speaker 1: on its users. It does that. That is business model.
Speaker 1: Is the data We've heard, I mean you've probably heard
Speaker 1: this a million times over and over again that in
Speaker 1: this information age, data is they liken it to like
Speaker 1: the new oil. They call it a resource. It is
Speaker 1: a resource. It is an asset. It has value. That
Speaker 1: is the value that is extracted from these platforms is
Speaker 1: the data that is gathered on the users, and it's sold.
Speaker 1: Data is bought and sold that is collected from social
Speaker 1: media use. And that's you know, the terms of service.
Speaker 1: You sign away your right to do that. And I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have to sit up here and
Speaker 1: tell you about that. I think everybody is as common
Speaker 1: knowledge now, so we know that's been going on and
Speaker 1: it's sold to all sorts of different buyers. Back to
Speaker 1: the political campaigns, how do you think it is that
Speaker 1: they get the topics that they infuse into their candidates platform?
Speaker 1: How do you think different political platforms are orchestrated and
Speaker 1: put together. Do you think that perhaps data do you
Speaker 1: think maybe political parties could be buyers of data from
Speaker 1: when it's out on that marketplace, the social media, when
Speaker 1: they sell it to bidders or political campaigns buying that data.
Speaker 1: Who are the donors to these campaigns that come from
Speaker 1: out of nowhere? Where did that guy come from? Wha
Speaker 1: what was he saying yesterday? I don't know, but he's
Speaker 1: saying the opposite thing today. Who put him up there?
Speaker 1: Where did the guy? Where does this guy get his
Speaker 1: money to run for office? It comes from the people
Speaker 1: who brought you these wonderful technological toys, these social media platforms. Really,
Speaker 1: the whole of what online life is today is brought
Speaker 1: to you by the same people that are funding oh
Speaker 1: so many things that we're not even privy to. We
Speaker 1: can't even know all the donations and funding of what's
Speaker 1: going on out there. However, if you are paying attention,
Speaker 1: you know, and you see, you see the connections, you
Speaker 1: see how you've seen these changes. That are a good
Speaker 1: way to come at it is to analyze where we
Speaker 1: are now, what people are saying, and even go back
Speaker 1: in the wayback machine again a decade is a good
Speaker 1: way to do it. And these people that are screaming
Speaker 1: mostly in support of our wonderful leadership. Now, those that
Speaker 1: are who are the loudest, most gung ho supporters for
Speaker 1: what's happening to our FA government mainly through the executive branch,
Speaker 1: a lot of supporters for that, the loudest ones, go
Speaker 1: back ten years and see what they were saying. You
Speaker 1: might find some contradictions to what they're saying is a
Speaker 1: good idea today Again, we live in a world of
Speaker 1: contradictions where somebody presents themselves a certain way and then
Speaker 1: they go a complete opposite direction and it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: does it?
Speaker 2: Or does it?
Speaker 3: Nope?
Speaker 1: Chuck, I hear you, what's going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I just wanted to quickly ask you a question
Speaker 3: that because I've done some interviews on a couple of
Speaker 3: other platforms this past ten days or so, and I
Speaker 3: keep asking this question that makes everybody stammer.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, I can't wait to hear what it is.
Speaker 1: I really don't know what it is. I haven't heard it, Chuck,
Speaker 1: what we got? Oh, it's great. It relates to you.
Speaker 3: And I know you haven't been listening to my guest
Speaker 3: appearances because I haven't really pushed them all that hard
Speaker 3: because recording stuff, I don't know when they're airing it.
Speaker 3: You know, it's a big thing. So outside of Richie Allen,
Speaker 3: which was live, I keep asking this question to people
Speaker 3: that are happy with what they see right now, right
Speaker 3: because I remember that ten years back, and I remember
Speaker 3: twenty years back erin you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, good, keep going, Uck, keep going, because
Speaker 1: it's worth it to do that.
Speaker 3: And I recall that a lot of the people that
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people that have voices today
Speaker 3: didn't voice anything back then. True, okay, but those that did,
Speaker 3: those that did exist, even if they were just frustrated
Speaker 3: facebookers and they couldn't figure out YouTube. Yet now it's
Speaker 3: gotten easier. They everybody's got a podcast. Everybody and their
Speaker 3: mama got a podcast, right at least for a little while.
Speaker 3: And if they don't have a podcast, they got a
Speaker 3: channel somewhere. They're on X Live. But they're doing something.
Speaker 3: But the thing is a whole lot of people who
Speaker 3: were saying the technocracy is going to take us sober.
Speaker 3: We are human beings, we deserve to exist. It was
Speaker 3: linked into the libertarian thing. It was linked into all
Speaker 3: those It's funny they're celebrating as Peter tele and the
Speaker 3: holders of about eighty percent of social media in the
Speaker 3: English speaking world anyway, all stood on stage with Donald Trump. Yes,
Speaker 3: and every one of them, in one way or another,
Speaker 3: says now things are better. Now, things are better. Now,
Speaker 3: things are gonna get better. And these are people that
Speaker 3: are supposedly out there analyzing stuff. They're supposedly part of
Speaker 3: the old media. Yeah, that those that want to still
Speaker 3: claim the old crown. And yet they're happy with this.
Speaker 3: And a few years ago and ten years ago, for sure,
Speaker 3: if they had a voice at all, they were worried
Speaker 3: about this happening. They would not have wanted a guy
Speaker 3: like Elon Musk loose on anything.
Speaker 2: Peter Teal is there with them now, he's one of
Speaker 2: the names.
Speaker 3: Kurzwell, the Singularity. They're gonna turn us into robots, oh
Speaker 3: my god. And now they're like, but Trump's there and
Speaker 3: Musk is there.
Speaker 2: It's all good, and.
Speaker 3: They are speaking loudly for not themselves. Okay, I don't
Speaker 3: know what their mentality is. I'm not gonna sit here
Speaker 3: and psychoanalyze it. But I'm very confused as I as
Speaker 3: I think i'm hearing you be confused by this problem.
Speaker 3: So the question is what made them change sides on
Speaker 3: the technocracy?
Speaker 2: That was?
Speaker 3: That was my question basically, because they did, and they
Speaker 3: all did, and I don't know why nobody's questioning this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: But the weirdest part of it, and this is the
Speaker 3: addendum I gotta give to you. Pin that question and
Speaker 3: just tell me what made them switch sides? Please, outside
Speaker 3: of now my guy is in there. See when I
Speaker 3: thought it was a liberal crazy thing and it was
Speaker 3: gonna take away our ability to be male or female.
Speaker 3: Therefore I was, I was it was problematic. But since
Speaker 3: we're still going to be men and women because Trump
Speaker 3: declared it, it's okay. We can now go into the singularity,
Speaker 3: all right. But the weirdest thing is that they would
Speaker 3: not have wanted the billionaires to be in control of
Speaker 3: our lives. They wouldn't have wanted and they newly meant
Speaker 3: to Trump as a billionaire before he went into office.
Speaker 3: They made sure of it with his crypto and all
Speaker 3: that too. You know, so this whole twisted world is
Speaker 3: now okay, and I can't figure it out. I can't
Speaker 3: figure out what switch got flipped here because something happened.
Speaker 3: But anyway, on top of that this, you know, the
Speaker 3: new media out there, I want to know what victory
Speaker 3: feels like because I am finding the people that they're
Speaker 3: really speaking for are the most ignorant on the planet.
Speaker 3: They are the people who are approaching me right now.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't matter if it's the guide delivering stuff
Speaker 3: to my house or it's people emailing me, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Aren't you happy now that one of two questions RFK
Speaker 3: is in there, right, He's done a lot already, you're happy, right?
Speaker 3: Or they released all the JFK stuff now, aren't you
Speaker 3: happy now? Neither one of these have taken hold. Neither
Speaker 3: one of these have materialized. None of this has actually
Speaker 3: happened outside of proclamations, declarations, posts on social media. And
Speaker 3: we're doing this, we're doing that. We can't give you
Speaker 3: the numbers, no particulars, and we're doing stuff yay, And
Speaker 3: I've got a chainsaw on stage at Seapack and I'm
Speaker 3: Elon Musk, and don't worry about my monkey like child
Speaker 3: on my shoulders as I try to speak to you.
Speaker 3: And no, I'm not in charge of dose, but I'm
Speaker 3: in charge of dose. But I'm not in charge of dose,
Speaker 3: but I'm in charge of dose. Where is the switch
Speaker 3: that was flipped to turn these people from leary of
Speaker 3: at least the technocracy being at the forefront of governance
Speaker 3: of everything, and now they've exchanged it for well, these
Speaker 3: are my social media masters. They must know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: And they're billionaires. They must know what they're doing. And
Speaker 3: it's all good. Where was that switch flipped? Aaron?
Speaker 1: Can you help me find it? Yes, I believe I can, Chuck.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked that.
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, I'm going to shut off my mic and
Speaker 3: lit because I want this answer.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Well, look, first of all, in the name of safety,
Speaker 1: let's not worry. I can guarantee you Elon Musk does
Speaker 1: not know how to start that chainsaw, so the children
Speaker 1: are safe. If his life depended on it, he would
Speaker 1: not be able to get that thing. To worry so
Speaker 1: that's in the name of safety. We're fine, he's just
Speaker 1: cause playing. He's just role playing. He is just putting
Speaker 1: himself out there as he has. And this is one
Speaker 1: of my things over the years, going back to my
Speaker 1: research in the transhumanism and specifically with the Singularity Summit,
Speaker 1: Ray Kurtzwell, to me always I knew that he was
Speaker 1: like a chosen guy to be a figurehead of transhumanism
Speaker 1: and the Singularity and AI. Then he was being pushed
Speaker 1: out there by Teal and everybody else who's bankrolling this
Speaker 1: thing to be mister Singularity, And it always blew my
Speaker 1: mind because Kurtswell is a very uncharismatic and he's an
Speaker 1: uncharismatic guy that's difficult to listen to, and like so
Speaker 1: many of these other guys, they cannot speak and they
Speaker 1: their personal skills just aren't there. And the fact that
Speaker 1: this was the guy that they went with always was like, really,
Speaker 1: you could have found just some guy who knows how
Speaker 1: to talk at least and has a little charisma that
Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't have the credentials, because Kurtzwell, you know,
Speaker 1: he has tech credentials, so he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 1: But could you not have chose than somebody else will. No,
Speaker 1: this is who we are, I guess, and that always
Speaker 1: struck me as odd. But then the rise of Elon Musk,
Speaker 1: it's like ten times worse than Kurtswell, and it always
Speaker 1: blew my mind as like, okay, In fact, I remember
Speaker 1: hearing about Elon Musk and I never saw any video
Speaker 1: of him. I just you know, he was putting himself
Speaker 1: out there and making these ridiculous pronouncements on social media himself,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of heard about it and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, this guy sounds annoying.
Speaker 1: I remember the first video I saw of him. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it because I was expecting him to come
Speaker 1: out there and like put on a show and be
Speaker 1: real engaging. No, no, he's even He's again ten times
Speaker 1: worse than Kurtswell in terms of charisma, being able to
Speaker 1: watch without cringing. He can't even talk, he can't even
Speaker 1: put two words together, And it just blows my mind
Speaker 1: that he has consciously made the choice to put himself
Speaker 1: out there and be like, yeah, I'm I'm this guy,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna, you know, build up my cult of
Speaker 1: personality and I can pull this off. I'm going to
Speaker 1: do this, and yes, he is one of the big
Speaker 1: money men behind this part of the PayPal mafia, working
Speaker 1: right alongside Teal and Teal another guy that used to
Speaker 1: know better that he would like limit his he would
Speaker 1: have a public face where he do these things like
Speaker 1: the keynote speech at Singularity summ of two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: and that makes sense. It's like, Okay, Teal is given
Speaker 1: a speech here that Okay, I get that, and that
Speaker 1: works and he can pull that off.
Speaker 2: Is he a great speaker?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: But who cares like it kind of fits the personality, right,
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, he's doing a one and done. Okay,
Speaker 1: he can't talk great, but whatever. But now we've gotten
Speaker 1: to the point where these guys are going on Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan and they're doing other podcasts, and they're being regular guests,
Speaker 1: and they're being interviewed by They're getting softball questions, right,
Speaker 1: it's obviously a friendly interview.
Speaker 3: And by the way, you know what, just just really quickly,
Speaker 3: I cannot stand to endure an entire episode of you know,
Speaker 3: supposedly the most popular podcast like pretty much on the planet,
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan. Right, I can't go through a whole episode.
Speaker 3: But every time I get clips, because I get clips
Speaker 3: of everything, I go through little clips to see quotes,
Speaker 3: weird interactions. You know what did Elon Musk actually say
Speaker 3: on that show? Because Elon must smoked weed with Joe Rogan,
Speaker 3: you know. And I notice this even when I'm trying
Speaker 3: to pick up you know, Bill Burr and I'm just
Speaker 3: trying to enjoy myself and listen to Bill Burr Rant
Speaker 3: or Dave Chappelle or say, you know somebody who.
Speaker 1: Is a comic Geene who's actually funny, Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: knows how to draw you in and yeah, present something
Speaker 1: in a presentable way that holds your attention guaranteed.
Speaker 3: When I search one of those, you know, brilliant things
Speaker 3: as who's still alive? Anybody who's dead maybe didn't make
Speaker 3: it to the Rogan Show, but people who are still alive,
Speaker 3: they're comedians. I go to find a list of stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, entertainment, and you know what's funny is Rogan
Speaker 3: In every single exchange with one of these comedians, he
Speaker 3: makes it a point to say, you know what, I
Speaker 3: really enjoy talking to Elon Musk, Elon mus Elon Must
Speaker 3: he is singing the praises of Elon Musk for years
Speaker 3: in advance of Musk taking his position at Twitter, and
Speaker 3: even after that, and then in advance of him taking
Speaker 3: his position in the Trump administration. And therein lies the
Speaker 3: problem here with these minted approved of This is your
Speaker 3: top level podcaster. This is the guy that it's worth
Speaker 3: it for us to pay him two hundred million dollars
Speaker 3: a year. Look it up. By the way, the Rogan
Speaker 3: makes like two hundred million a year.
Speaker 2: Okay, seriously, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And how is that is the question that one should
Speaker 1: be asking, right, who.
Speaker 3: Is funding that? I wonder? Wonder one?
Speaker 2: And why?
Speaker 1: And why and why are the big questions. There are
Speaker 1: good answers to those questions.
Speaker 3: Right, So I just find it amazing that you brought
Speaker 3: this up, because this is perfect. The pop culture fed this,
Speaker 3: the underground alleged underground culture fed this. When all rivers
Speaker 3: are flowing in one direction, you gotta say to yourself,
Speaker 3: you know that must be where gravity is at and
Speaker 3: who is pushing the gravity? Let's figure that out, because
Speaker 3: it all went in one direction, and even your corporate
Speaker 3: media has now for the most part, gone in that
Speaker 3: one direction.
Speaker 1: I just who's the DJ at the center running the
Speaker 1: center of the Gravitron ride while we all just sit
Speaker 1: on the edges, puking in our own faces.
Speaker 3: Right, because we are on the grand tilted world. And
Speaker 3: and that's it. The Gravitron has decided the tilted world
Speaker 3: is going this way now, yeah, and that's it, and
Speaker 3: we are literally caught in gravity. There is no This
Speaker 3: isn't a debate. This isn't you know, the opposition versus
Speaker 3: the other opposition versus.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3: It's the Gravitron.
Speaker 2: You're right, it's the amusement stuck to the wall. Chuck.
Speaker 2: We are all stuck on the wall, right, If.
Speaker 3: You've never seen this, if you've never been some people
Speaker 3: have not been to an amusement park, Aaron, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you realize that.
Speaker 1: So we remember, yeah, this is a good This makes
Speaker 1: the round at carnivals too, because it does. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things that packs up and goes on the
Speaker 1: a flatbed of a truck.
Speaker 3: You're right, it does. And what it is is this
Speaker 3: just circular cage. And I want you to keep in
Speaker 3: mind it is a cage. And what happens is they
Speaker 3: spin it so fast that whether you have a belt
Speaker 3: or not. You are pinned to the wall based on
Speaker 3: the inertia of the circular ride, spinning really really fast.
Speaker 3: And then at a certain point, the big joy is
Speaker 3: they drop the floor out from under you, and you
Speaker 3: can see that your feet could dangle, except that the
Speaker 3: force of inertia going around in a circle. It's sort
Speaker 3: of like taking a paint can and filling it with water,
Speaker 3: putting it on a rope and whipping it over your
Speaker 3: head just the right way. All the water stays in
Speaker 3: the paint can because of this same effect. But this
Speaker 3: is a carnival ride that some people never get to experience.
Speaker 3: You are pinned to the wall. You look down and
Speaker 3: there's nothing that you're standing on. And that is literally
Speaker 3: what I feel like, this whole experience is right now
Speaker 3: socially and politically and as an American, I feel like
Speaker 3: we are all on the tilted world and they drop
Speaker 3: the floor out. Look, you're still pint to the wall.
Speaker 3: Nothing is holding you there. That's where we're at. And
Speaker 3: they play really loud music so you can't even yell
Speaker 3: at the person standing next to you while your head
Speaker 3: is pinned to this steel cage that you are all
Speaker 3: inside of and then of course it gets really into
Speaker 3: entertaining if somebody throws up.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 2: Which we all are now and some.
Speaker 3: Of us are vomiting and other people are not even
Speaker 3: taking notice of it. I just that's where we're at, Aaron.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you think I'm wrong and crazy and
Speaker 3: I interrupted your show badly, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 3: Thank god somebody else sees it. Anyway, Please continue, sir.
Speaker 1: It's a good analogy, There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, just the lack of asking those basic questions that
Speaker 1: you brought up about Rogan, like where is this money
Speaker 1: coming from, who is paying this, and why are they
Speaker 1: doing it. It's a podcaster, right, which used to be
Speaker 1: like the laughing stock of all media, which now clearly
Speaker 1: is not. It's now very elite segment of the media,
Speaker 1: as it's a part of the mainstream media now because
Speaker 1: the mainstream media has shifted. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: people have noticed that yet, but I won't get onto that.
Speaker 1: Even What we have to realize is that these online
Speaker 1: media platforms social media are owned by private interests. Okay,
Speaker 1: they are owned and they are operated. They collect data
Speaker 1: for one thing, As I was saying, that's part of
Speaker 1: their business. They can use that data to further to
Speaker 1: sell the people, or they can use it for their
Speaker 1: own interests to push their political campaigns of their choosing.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: And they can also use these social media platforms as
Speaker 1: the new public relations and propaganda dissemination tools, is what
Speaker 1: they are. That's why, over time the cult of personality
Speaker 1: of Elon Musk has been built up in the way
Speaker 1: that it has. It's why he went to buy Twitter
Speaker 1: and make it his X because he knows the power
Speaker 1: of these platforms to disseminate the information that is conducive
Speaker 1: to him and his business associates.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you realized this, by the way, Aaron,
Speaker 3: there's a history to the X thing. It's not brand new.
Speaker 3: He's slapping x's on everything. He is doing that now
Speaker 3: out of vengeance because when he bought his way into PayPal,
Speaker 3: which he didn't invent it, by the way. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: when he bought his way in, he brought another company
Speaker 3: in that merged with PayPal, and he wanted to slap
Speaker 3: the X on PayPal back then. The reason why it
Speaker 3: was rejected by the board of directors and they had
Speaker 3: to fight him to the nail to not have it
Speaker 3: happen is because at that time, in the nineties, X
Speaker 3: would have been directed related to porn hub basically, so
Speaker 3: you know, there was no porn hub back then, but
Speaker 3: porno existed and as soon as you saw an X,
Speaker 3: you thought to yourself, ah, pornography. Yeah, So that was
Speaker 3: the problem with marketing, and even back then he was like,
Speaker 3: screw it, I want it done that way anyway. So
Speaker 3: now everything is SpaceX, Twitter's X. Okay, so x dot
Speaker 3: com is actually not a new idea. It is the
Speaker 3: same one he had twenty five years ago. Aaron, Okay,
Speaker 3: just saying, these guys they hold something in their back
Speaker 3: pocket and they go, you know what, I didn't get
Speaker 3: to do that. I'm gonna wait until I can, and
Speaker 3: then they do it like Trump slapping his name on
Speaker 3: you know, Trump Moscow. That's gonna happen now because he's
Speaker 3: wanted to do that for thirty years. So it's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: you understand. So Elon Musk is gonna slap eventually, doge,
Speaker 3: you know, because look at that. He had to take
Speaker 3: his coin name, his stupid cryptocurrency name, into his government
Speaker 3: service because he thinks he is the Grand branding Champion,
Speaker 3: much like Trump actually is a branding champion, not Le
Speaker 3: Grand Champion, but he's a branding champion. It's the only
Speaker 3: thing that he has successfully continually sold and not had
Speaker 3: go bankrupt in his lifetime is slapping his name on things.
Speaker 3: And Elon does it with an X just saying just
Speaker 3: wanted to point that out, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all pr it's all propaganda. It's being done
Speaker 1: technologically and scientifically, it's being done with advanced analytics. All
Speaker 1: of this is being done with the data that is
Speaker 1: extracted from their platforms and then used can use AI
Speaker 1: systems now to see the patterns and see what if
Speaker 1: we're talking about politics, And going back to the point
Speaker 1: I was making earlier is well, how do different candidates
Speaker 1: build their platforms? Well, they do it using advanced analytics tools.
Speaker 2: They use it.
Speaker 1: Using advanced analytics tools. And why is it that the
Speaker 1: guy who was up there repeating all of these concepts
Speaker 1: that we were familiar to people who were online and
Speaker 1: who knew what the right wing ecosystem, all the right
Speaker 1: things to say to that crowd, he was saying all
Speaker 1: of them, we're talking about Trump. Even in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: clearly was making a presentation to that audience who was
Speaker 1: famously supporting Trump in twenty sixteen, again, Peter Teal. It
Speaker 1: gets murkier as the years go on. What Teal's involvement
Speaker 1: exactly is with Trump, But we do know that he
Speaker 1: bankrolled Jady Vance's run for office in Ohio and he
Speaker 1: he he was his launchpad. Peterkiel was jd Vance's launchpad
Speaker 1: into Ohio politics. Then he became what like a senator,
Speaker 1: right and then from there he wasn't even long doing that,
Speaker 1: became the vice president to Trump, and if you remember
Speaker 1: jd Vance's earlier stances on things changed dramatically. He used
Speaker 1: to be an anti Trumper, and boy did he change
Speaker 1: his tune. This seems to be a running theme if
Speaker 1: you're paying attention that what somebody says at one time,
Speaker 1: give it a year or two, maybe ten. If you're
Speaker 1: got some principles whatsoever, your at least do a better
Speaker 1: job at.
Speaker 2: Appearing you do.
Speaker 1: You go completely one, and you're a whole, new born
Speaker 1: again individual, a whole new ideology. It seems to be
Speaker 1: a pattern, doesn't it. How do you think that works?
Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? Why is everybody just
Speaker 1: throwing themselves onto this movement, this Maga movement, who previously
Speaker 1: clearly were saying they were against it, now they're not.
Speaker 2: And JD.
Speaker 1: Vance is like a perfect illustration of this. He's clearly
Speaker 1: he's just saying anything that he knows he needs to say.
Speaker 1: You you tell him, put the words into his mouth,
Speaker 1: he will, he will pair it, he will do it.
Speaker 1: He is your guy. He will say anything you want.
Speaker 1: He's like Ron Burgundy, you know, just put on the teleprompter,
Speaker 1: he reads it right. That's all he is. I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's just so transparent. A guy with zero integrity,
Speaker 1: zero ethical compass whatsoever. He doesn't even have any ideas
Speaker 1: of his own. This guy came out of nowhere. Now
Speaker 1: he's the vice president. He's going to Europe scolding them
Speaker 1: something about how what they're scared of free speech? And yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: America's paid your way for too long. Take care of yourselves.
Speaker 1: Russia's great deal with it. Okay, see you, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go back to the States. Now, what the hell
Speaker 1: is that these are really dramatic events happening and they're
Speaker 1: being done by guys like this who clearly again they
Speaker 1: don't do you think they believe any of this. You
Speaker 1: think they believe anything. They just say what they need
Speaker 1: know they need to. Who is feeding them the talking points?
Speaker 1: Why are these talking points? Same thing with social media?
Speaker 1: Why are these Why does something catch fire, get a
Speaker 1: lot of attention and keep getting talked about again and again,
Speaker 1: keeps coming back up. Why why are there so many
Speaker 1: culture warriors? Why are these culture war ideas just NonStop?
Speaker 1: You know, we got to worry about our kids having
Speaker 1: trans surgeries in the middle of class, right, something as
Speaker 1: stupid as that, Like constantly, there's always some idiotic story
Speaker 1: like that, over and over and over again. And now
Speaker 1: that your guy is in there, he won. He's in
Speaker 1: the executive sitting in the oval office. What does he
Speaker 1: do for you? He signs these stupid executive orders like
Speaker 1: oh yeah, no more trans athletes and sports or whatever
Speaker 1: January sixth. Yeah, I'm going to part in all of them.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hell, why not, I'll part in all of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: why is he doing that? Clearly, the reason he's doing
Speaker 1: that is not because he cares. Again, he doesn't care
Speaker 1: about anything either. The reason he's doing it is to
Speaker 1: keep you distracted from everything else. That's actually happening because
Speaker 1: you have been convinced by digital propaganda that these are
Speaker 1: the issues that matter. When they're nonsense. They have they
Speaker 1: keep coming up on social media because we know via
Speaker 1: or they know via analytics, that it gets attention. They
Speaker 1: know it gets people mad, and they know that they
Speaker 1: can say anything about it and it will get this
Speaker 1: raging debate going and everybody will get all worked up
Speaker 1: with that. Meanwhile, they do whatever the hell they want
Speaker 1: over here, and they just insert all their artificial intelligence
Speaker 1: systems into the federal government. It should be noted that
Speaker 1: these kids that are part of DOGE going into DC,
Speaker 1: a lot of them are employees Musks companies, and some
Speaker 1: of them are even Teeal Fellows, the Teal Fellowship, that
Speaker 1: prize that he gave out to kids who purposely dropped
Speaker 1: out of genius, kids that dropped out of college to
Speaker 1: go into the private sector and do whatever. These guys
Speaker 1: are the ones going in there, these like nineteen year
Speaker 1: old kids, to install their AI systems that are going
Speaker 1: to make everything so efficient. Yeah, that's what it's all about.
Speaker 1: And those stupid executive orders like no more trans babies
Speaker 1: or wherever the hell the one that'll be tomorrow that
Speaker 1: is nothing more than a distraction the culture war, nothing
Speaker 1: more in the distraction. It was crafted because it's a distraction.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with what's actually happening in
Speaker 1: the world, So stop paying attention to it. It is
Speaker 1: brought to you by our new technological saviors, the guys
Speaker 1: that paid to put this, to put this administration into place,
Speaker 1: and they're doing that out in the open. That's what's
Speaker 1: so disturbing is they're doing this out in the open.
Speaker 1: Part of the disturbing thing is that they're putting themselves
Speaker 1: out there against It makes again, why would they even
Speaker 1: choose to do this be in public, GUYE to begin with,
Speaker 1: because clearly they're not the ones to be in front
Speaker 1: of a camera. But they're doing it, and I think
Speaker 1: it has a lot to do with because they know
Speaker 1: that they're winning and that they can just do whatever
Speaker 1: they want. Now it's like, yeah, there's nothing that's going
Speaker 1: to stop us. We know the ebb and flow of
Speaker 1: public opinion. We can shape it. We know what people
Speaker 1: are talking about any given second. We can see things
Speaker 1: coming a mile away with our with our predictive models.
Speaker 2: We're not worried about anything.
Speaker 1: We can just get up here, and it's our turn
Speaker 1: turn to regurgitate these stupid talking points. Elon Musk goes
Speaker 1: up there at the Sea Pack event as Chuck was
Speaker 1: saying with the chainsaw they got from Melee that he
Speaker 1: definitely doesn't know how to use. But he was up
Speaker 1: there repeating these stupid alternative media talking points and the
Speaker 1: same things you hear from these right wing comedian slash
Speaker 1: podcasters all the time. God of makes you want puky here.
Speaker 1: At so many times they're like, oh, they made comedy illegal,
Speaker 1: it's not even legal to be funny anymore. And they
Speaker 1: are you up there whining and crying like free speech
Speaker 1: is under attack or something.
Speaker 2: Give me a damn break.
Speaker 1: But now he's up there parroting that very nobody should
Speaker 1: be able to get away with saying these things as
Speaker 1: often as they have.
Speaker 2: How long does it.
Speaker 1: Take before you, the audience, whoever the hell is listening
Speaker 1: to this crap? How long does it take to you
Speaker 1: get tired of these things? I'm not asking you to
Speaker 1: see through it as propaganda, And just like lowest common
Speaker 1: denominator nonsense, you don't have to go that far. You
Speaker 1: don't have to realize you're being fooled and propagandized and
Speaker 1: advanced public relations campaigns are being run against you and
Speaker 1: your best interests.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that. But don't you.
Speaker 1: Get bored with these lame mos, these users. I mean
Speaker 1: they're billionaires, yes, but take their billions of dollars away
Speaker 1: from them, take their technological infrastructure that controls our minds
Speaker 1: away from them.
Speaker 2: What do they have?
Speaker 1: They have a card that says they're a member of
Speaker 1: the Libertarian Party. Okay, cool, go vote for the libertarian candidate,
Speaker 1: which you're not able to buy anymore. Sorry, you're not
Speaker 1: a billionaire anymore. But alas, that's not the world we
Speaker 1: live in. We live in their world. Now, this is
Speaker 1: their world. They will tell you what they want you
Speaker 1: to hear, and you will repeat it, just like your JD. Vans,
Speaker 1: and somehow you won't know that's what you're doing. It's
Speaker 1: just sad that these stupid machines can get one over
Speaker 1: on humanity this way. We are supposed to be thinking,
Speaker 1: conscious human beings that have free will and have awareness.
Speaker 1: Currently we are not that. We are automatons being programmed
Speaker 1: what to think, what to do, how to vote, how
Speaker 1: to react, what to say. We are slaves to this
Speaker 1: stupid technological control grid, and it's pathetic. It's absolutely ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and I want to get mad and blame people. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go out like pointing fingers like this
Speaker 1: guy's dumb because he does this. This guy in the
Speaker 1: altraternative media is an idiot. This guy's clearly a shill.
Speaker 1: He's getting paid by somebody. I don't know who, but
Speaker 1: obviously he is. Oh yeah, And there's also the Russian
Speaker 1: disinformation campaigns that align real neatly to this whole situation.
Speaker 1: Have we forgotten about that? There's a confluence of interests
Speaker 1: here that stand to benefit from the current situation. And
Speaker 1: I can tell you, if you're the average person, it's
Speaker 1: not you. We are not benefiting from this whatsoever. Stop
Speaker 1: pretending that we are. We have been fooled. Do you
Speaker 1: think Hulk Hogan showed up at the stupid uh, what
Speaker 1: the hell was the event? The Republican National Convention during
Speaker 1: the election. Hulk Hogan showed up. Do you know what
Speaker 1: that was? That was an inside joke? Okay, that's what
Speaker 1: that was. Another teal stooge is who he is if
Speaker 1: he didn't know, but hey, what does that matter?
Speaker 5: They canceled vincrick Man, Aaron, what's wrong with you? I
Speaker 5: had to do it. Hulk Commedia had to run wild.
Speaker 5: What's the matter with you? Come on, man, join me
Speaker 5: in the new chat. Big balls, big balls, big.
Speaker 1: There's an idiocracy quality to all this too, which is sad, truly.
Speaker 3: You. You know, I've been holding back from saying that
Speaker 3: because people said it way too often about you know,
Speaker 3: four years ago or so.
Speaker 1: But no, yeah, yeah, and it held then too, But
Speaker 1: now we're fully there.
Speaker 2: They're there.
Speaker 3: Look, you can't tell me that the guy and it's
Speaker 3: not even the smart guy in the in the uh
Speaker 3: you know, in the equation, it's the guy goes a
Speaker 3: lot of money, all Fredo Fredo, the guy who's sitting
Speaker 3: on his toilet chair with the big screen TV.
Speaker 4: That dude is.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, half the country now, yeah, seriously,
Speaker 3: that half the country is is Fredo's. They're all little Freedo's.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it does go back to the dumbing
Speaker 1: down of America, which is a real thing. Clearly, take
Speaker 1: a look around. It has been effective. And I just
Speaker 1: keep thinking of why don't we take offense?
Speaker 2: We should be offended.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what's hilarious about that is Rush Limbaugh
Speaker 3: of all people, called this where he said the dumbing
Speaker 3: down of America is coming to Fruition because and he
Speaker 3: said it with his big head and his oxy cotton
Speaker 3: addiction and everything. Okay, but he could see that part
Speaker 3: and he said, that's happening. Look, I used to actually
Speaker 3: regularly and here we go. This is almost like an
Speaker 3: alcoholics anonymous meeting.
Speaker 2: Ready.
Speaker 3: I used to actually watch Bill O'Reilly on a regular basis, who,
Speaker 3: by the way, is back on TV, although you wouldn't
Speaker 3: know it because he's on News Nation and mainly with
Speaker 3: Chris Cuomo. But I think they're giving him his own
Speaker 3: show again, just saying he's not on Fox anymore. But
Speaker 3: he also gets to make a decent living as a
Speaker 3: podcaster suddenly, all right, just saying not as good as
Speaker 3: Joe Rogan. I mean, you know a few people can
Speaker 3: be the king.
Speaker 2: I will, I will.
Speaker 1: Let's take notes, Chuck that Rogan this past week was dethroned.
Speaker 1: At least for the week. He's number two on the
Speaker 1: podcast charts, but we'll see if that holds. And apparently
Speaker 1: his listeners are madam. I haven't looked into it, well,
Speaker 1: but it did make me feel good looking at the headline.
Speaker 3: I know, but don't feel too good, because it happens
Speaker 3: every once in a while and he comes back and
Speaker 3: he reclaims his throne, and he's the number one guy
Speaker 3: on Spotify, and he's the number one guy on Apple,
Speaker 3: and he it, you know, because some true crime thing
Speaker 3: probably dethroned him. I didn't even look this week, but
Speaker 3: you and I follow some of these industry things. And
Speaker 3: I know this for a fact because you recently were
Speaker 3: listed as a podcast guest thing on one of these
Speaker 3: and that thing will net you probably one hundred people
Speaker 3: that are gonna want to be on your podcast. I
Speaker 3: just want you to.
Speaker 1: Know that, Okay, we'll we'll see who filters in, and
Speaker 1: if they're not completely insane, maybe I'm on the show.
Speaker 5: Every time it did.
Speaker 3: And you know what, don't rule out the completely insane,
Speaker 3: because they might be very valuable at this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's true. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I need to continue my you have that spirit.
Speaker 3: Of the performance. This is one of the greatest things.
Speaker 3: I want everybody to know this, and not just that
Speaker 3: Aaron is and he's loyal and he's like, you know,
Speaker 3: an author, all these great things. Why is it that
Speaker 3: you know, I've been asked this recently because you know,
Speaker 3: other people have noticed that others have come and gone
Speaker 3: from the network, Why is it that Aaron was the
Speaker 3: first one there and is still there with you? And
Speaker 3: I go, well, look, I don't know what his motives are,
Speaker 3: but I can tell you what mine are, and mine
Speaker 3: or real simple is no matter what Aaron has an
Speaker 3: honesty to him that is, I have never seen him
Speaker 3: deba from number one number two. He has this spirit
Speaker 3: of and the actions on occasion, but definitely always the
Speaker 3: spirit of a performance artist. Now, people that don't live
Speaker 3: in cities or near a college town probably are not
Speaker 3: fully aware of what a performance artist is. But if
Speaker 3: you go look it up, you study it a little bit,
Speaker 3: and you take a look at the very street level
Speaker 3: reality of being a performance artist, and how cool that
Speaker 3: can now. I don't even love some of your influences.
Speaker 3: You like guys like Tom Green. I think he's a moron,
Speaker 3: but yeah, but I actually appreciate some people that have
Speaker 3: done some magical things over time, Like you would even
Speaker 3: have to, you know, get a little warmth in your
Speaker 3: guts for a minute. For the guys who took paint
Speaker 3: cans and turned them into drum you know, drum sets,
Speaker 3: the first guys to do that years ago, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. And the cool stuff that could come
Speaker 3: out of people that would perform on the street and
Speaker 3: take whatever change you could throw at them for an
Speaker 3: art that they crafted on their own. Mostly, I mean,
Speaker 3: these guys are not trained to Juilliard. Even if they
Speaker 3: come out with a big bass cello, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, You never know what you might be getting.
Speaker 3: And I love stuff where people came out and played
Speaker 3: like with construction equipment and turned it into a band.
Speaker 3: You know, weird things like that. Music is always great,
Speaker 3: dancing is always great, but there are so many levels
Speaker 3: and so many possibilities in street level performance art and
Speaker 3: what Aaron does with his shows, all of his shows
Speaker 3: one way or another. Sometimes it's very intellectual. Sometimes you've
Speaker 3: gotten weird on me lately political, but really, truthfully, everything
Speaker 3: is a commentary and there are multiple layers to this
Speaker 3: performance art that you are vested in as a broadcaster
Speaker 3: slash podcaster, and I just appreciate the privilege to ride
Speaker 3: along with you while you do this. And it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter like explaining the uncle show to me years ago haha,
Speaker 3: and I went, what, like, Okay, I got to listen
Speaker 3: to this, but you know what, I don't want to
Speaker 3: listen to it. Bring it on my show and let's see.
Speaker 3: And this conversation really happened. Guys where I went, I
Speaker 3: don't understand, but you know what, bring it on my show.
Speaker 5: Do it?
Speaker 3: And Aaron is the kind of guy who went, okay,
Speaker 3: great and brings Uncle on the show. And I got
Speaker 3: exposed to Uncle on my show really first time. I
Speaker 3: mean I barely looked at the stuff just to get
Speaker 3: a taste of.
Speaker 2: What was happening.
Speaker 3: And you had only maybe done like thirty or forty
Speaker 3: Uncle shows at that point, I think as podcasts, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was early on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was much earlier on. Now we're into three
Speaker 3: hundred and something, okay, But the thing is, that's over years.
Speaker 3: We did that over years, even with breaks, even with
Speaker 3: this and that, and that's yeah. I think it does
Speaker 3: include the New Year's Eve thing that we started doing,
Speaker 3: which has gotten mixed results.
Speaker 2: Yes, But the.
Speaker 3: Thing is, I mean a big gathering it was. Anyway,
Speaker 3: The point of this is, and now I've taken you
Speaker 3: over your time, but I want to make sure that
Speaker 3: people understand this. I love being along for the ride
Speaker 3: because Aaron is honest, creative and intelligent, and you know what,
Speaker 3: find me another guy who's actually doing that anywhere, so
Speaker 3: I'm happy. I don't even feel like I can cover
Speaker 3: all those bases ever, and I think I've grown into
Speaker 3: a broadcaster that has, you know, some skills, but I
Speaker 3: don't have the skills Aaron does because some of his
Speaker 3: stuff comes straight from the heart and straight from a
Speaker 3: mind that is way different than mine.
Speaker 2: And I love this for that reason.
Speaker 3: So I conclude my portion of adding into the Age
Speaker 3: of Transitions with that, and I wanted people to know it,
Speaker 3: and I want everybody to remember that is that you
Speaker 3: are privileged to be listening to a unique creator of content,
Speaker 3: a real, unique creator, and there are not many of them.
Speaker 3: There's lots of talking heads, there's lots of parents, there's
Speaker 3: lots of propagandists, and you know what, there's more than
Speaker 3: one damn Joe Rogan out there, and most of them
Speaker 3: are funnier than him. I like Bill Burr's Monday Morning
Speaker 3: a podcast much better than that stupid Joe Rogan experience.
Speaker 3: I wish you would go back to fear factor. He
Speaker 3: was better at dumping worms on people.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, please, oh man, it's it's so insufferable
Speaker 1: to hear Joe Rogan to go on about comedy, Oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 3: Because the comedy, like as if anything having to do
Speaker 3: with the success in his career is really about his
Speaker 3: stand up comedy.
Speaker 2: It sucks.
Speaker 1: He believes, he believes that, he believes, absolutely believes.
Speaker 2: He thinks.
Speaker 1: Have you heard his spiel about like there's only like
Speaker 1: five hundred real stand up comedians left, of which he
Speaker 1: is definitely at the top of that list.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, He's like, yeah, there's only five.
Speaker 1: Hundred of us, where Dying Breed is like, oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there has never been five hundred good stand
Speaker 3: up comedians on earth at one time. And I'm a
Speaker 3: connoisseur of people don't know this about me. I'm actually
Speaker 3: a connoisseer of stand up comedy. Like going back to
Speaker 3: the likes of Lenny Bruce onward, okay, like like you know,
Speaker 3: John Barber, a guy who have had on the show
Speaker 3: many times because it was JFK documentary, was a stand
Speaker 3: up comedian and he had his interesting points, but not
Speaker 3: really that great. There are a handful of great that
Speaker 3: exist during any given generation, and Joe Rogan has now
Speaker 3: spanned like three generations, believe it or not, as a
Speaker 3: young comedian beginning as early as he did and everything else.
Speaker 3: And you know, Dave Chappelle is probably in his contemporary group.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, absolutely, he's He's definitely a contemporary Yeah. And
Speaker 1: if you go back in the years, Rogan's act used
Speaker 1: to be better than it is now. It was never great,
Speaker 1: but man, it keeps getting worse.
Speaker 3: When he was less, when he was less successful, he
Speaker 3: was more comedic. But the truth is he sucks. I
Speaker 3: mean all the way through. I don't like any objective. Seriously,
Speaker 3: find me an impressive Joe Rogan set just one set
Speaker 3: where he's more than fifteen minutes being funny. Not his
Speaker 3: stupid podcast, No, I mean live on stage with just
Speaker 3: a microphone. Dave Chappelle can sit down and tell you
Speaker 3: a story that he half makes up and is half
Speaker 3: based on reality, and tell you about going in to
Speaker 3: a cornfield and then finishing a comedy set, telling you
Speaker 3: about another comedy set going home, and like you know,
Speaker 3: trying to get intimate with his wife's feet. And that
Speaker 3: is a way more compelling story than anything Joe Rogan
Speaker 3: has ever done on a stage with a microphone by himself.
Speaker 3: And Dave Chappelle could talk about smoking a cigarette in
Speaker 3: the wrong place and make it a more compell you see,
Speaker 3: Chappelle's a storyteller. All that stuff, All that Rogan has
Speaker 3: is his popularity. Based on his popularity, he was able
Speaker 3: to get everybody from Elon Musk to Barack Obama on
Speaker 3: his show.
Speaker 1: Do you know who suggested doing podcasting to Joe Rogan?
Speaker 2: First?
Speaker 1: You know that this story is making a rounds online?
Speaker 2: Mate? Do you know about this?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it was your favorite Tom Green. When Tom
Speaker 1: Green was doing the show in his house in LA
Speaker 1: he would have the guests in his house and he
Speaker 1: was early doing live stream like he had his own
Speaker 1: like he had to customize his setup live streaming from
Speaker 1: his house to do the show. He had Rogan on
Speaker 1: as a guest in like a two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: nine something like that, maybe two thousand and seven even,
Speaker 1: and Tom Green was like, oh, yeah, you should try podcasting.
Speaker 1: It's great, you can do whatever you want. And then
Speaker 1: Rogan was there like yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. And
Speaker 1: then you know, the future is so the seed idea
Speaker 1: is on that.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, I'm telling you that.
Speaker 3: Look, if you're a bleeding heart liberal, listen to Mark
Speaker 3: Maron if you there are so many other better podcasts
Speaker 3: by stand up coming. Jim Florentine, the guy who used
Speaker 3: to do Yeah, special Ed. You know the guy who goes.
Speaker 5: Yay, I got mail, I got mail.
Speaker 3: With the helmet on the head special Ed. That guy
Speaker 3: does a much funnier and more useful podcast than Joe
Speaker 3: Rogan has ever done in his life. A lot of
Speaker 3: these comedians have really cool podcasts. Some of them crack
Speaker 3: me up because like Bill Burr literally sits there and
Speaker 3: like he takes on any spot and he's got like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do the me undis ad and he makes
Speaker 3: a complete disaster of it, and you like it because
Speaker 3: it's Bill Burr being angry and talking crazy and he's
Speaker 3: good at it. He is, and he was perfect for
Speaker 3: that cartoon series, you know, uh, you know he took
Speaker 3: his stand up and turned into a cartoon for a minute,
Speaker 3: pretty much like Bill Cosby did, right and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but remember all the greats that you can think of
Speaker 3: that were stand up comedians, they were also storytellers. Now
Speaker 3: forget about who he interviewed. What story has Joe Rogan
Speaker 3: ever told you, even if you've been able to go
Speaker 3: through the insufferable experience, unlike myself, tell me one great
Speaker 3: story Joe Rogan has ever told you. I have never
Speaker 3: had a Joe Rogan fan be able to answer that
Speaker 3: question because there is no story. There's no storyteller. Now
Speaker 3: tell me your favorite Joe Rogan joke. Guess what They
Speaker 3: still have no answer. The guy's not a comedian, not
Speaker 3: a storyteller, and for God's sake, he's not even a
Speaker 3: good podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you give me former presidents and Elon
Speaker 3: Musk to work with, I'm gonna get clicks. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: get downloads, no problem. If you can feed me those
Speaker 3: kind of guests all day long, no problem, and Rogan
Speaker 3: gets them. But why and who's funding that? Somebody answer that,
Speaker 3: because you don't tell me that his commercials are able
Speaker 3: to support his two hundred million dollars and a staff
Speaker 3: and a studio, and get the hell out of here.
Speaker 3: I know the realities of this business, and I can
Speaker 3: see how they can hand bill O'Reilly living. I can
Speaker 3: see how they can hand you know, Don Lemon, a living,
Speaker 3: I even post network television, and in fact, they might
Speaker 3: get paid better than on network television. I can see
Speaker 3: how the economics work out there, and I can see
Speaker 3: the subscriber models from some of these you know has
Speaker 3: beens and people who you know, Oops, I made.
Speaker 5: A racism Oh, I guess my career is over.
Speaker 3: Oh no, they found out that I was actually molesting
Speaker 3: my staff. I guess it's time for me to go
Speaker 3: do a podc cast. You know, Okay, that's fine and
Speaker 3: that's good. Or or I'm helping out my brother who's
Speaker 3: a governor, even though I shouldn't. But I'm a lawyer, Fredo,
Speaker 3: I'm getting into fist fights because people called me Freido.
Speaker 3: You know, Okay, it doesn't matter. These guys, I can
Speaker 3: see how they made a living after I can see
Speaker 3: how they justified still keeping million dollars you know, payrolls going.
Speaker 3: What said the most recent hero of the alleged alt
Speaker 3: media that came from Fox News. What's his name again?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson, Right, the guy who says even though he was,
Speaker 3: you know, directly related to the heiress of the Swanson
Speaker 3: you know, Frozen Dinner fortune, he never got a dollar
Speaker 3: of it, and his own mother allegedly only left him
Speaker 3: a dollar in her will. Whatever he gets to make
Speaker 3: a living. And he's been on all the different, you know,
Speaker 3: alleged sides of the equation, from MSNBC to Fox News
Speaker 3: and ever after. I can see how a fiscally sound
Speaker 3: model can be made for that guy's career to continue
Speaker 3: right now. And one of the biggest things is Elon
Speaker 3: Musk suddenly has a podcast platform where Twitter x was
Speaker 3: just there for you to get out your one hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty characters, and then they expanded it, so you know,
Speaker 3: it's all good. But this Joe Rogan is clearly being
Speaker 3: propped up for a reason, and people should think about that.
Speaker 3: It is propaganda, and it's propaganda made cool and podcasting
Speaker 3: made cool. And now we have nine hundred thousand freaking
Speaker 3: people trying to be Joe Rogan, and when they're not
Speaker 3: trying to be Joe Rogan, they're agreeing with each other
Speaker 3: in a Brady Bunch split on Rumble, either that or
Speaker 3: the Russell brand, you know.
Speaker 5: Take your pick.
Speaker 3: And then there's another guy who you know, again, oops,
Speaker 3: he made some bad moves. He's gonna get canceled and
Speaker 3: he's got a career now in podcasting, just saying they
Speaker 3: hand people these podcasting careers where again, like you were saying,
Speaker 3: just a few years ago, and you and I have
Speaker 3: been through the whole cycle, it was like, dude, podcasting,
Speaker 3: why don't you just go and start a community theater,
Speaker 3: you know, like ye do something where people will actually
Speaker 3: hear what you're saying.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, yeah, and yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's the it's the new mainstream media. It's the
Speaker 1: new one, and it's owned by the big money, and
Speaker 1: it's used, it's it's it's almost way worse than the
Speaker 1: old mainstream media. But everybody's it's still they're still getting
Speaker 1: away with pretending that they're anti establishment and you know,
Speaker 1: pro First Amendment, pro freedom. They're still playing that harp
Speaker 1: with limited levels of success. But that's that's going to
Speaker 1: have to shift because clearly they just are the establishment.
Speaker 3: Now, right And I know you're a little too young
Speaker 3: for this, but it is almost that moment in time
Speaker 3: when real stand up comedians who are making social commentary
Speaker 3: in public constantly, despite the fact that they didn't have
Speaker 3: the Internet to comment on and the various platforms, and
Speaker 3: they got out there and got seen and got heard.
Speaker 3: You know those people, they had a horrifying collective moment,
Speaker 3: as you know social commentators, and they realized that at
Speaker 3: a certain point the former hippies had now become the yuppies.
Speaker 3: And this is in the nineteen eighties, so I know
Speaker 3: it's a little before your time, Aaron, But the point
Speaker 3: is this is the horror show that some of us
Speaker 3: who just have that context to be able to see it,
Speaker 3: are now enduring. And the amazing part is we can't
Speaker 3: get our friends to go to the theater to see
Speaker 3: Jason hack Up. The teenagers. Okay, we can't tell them
Speaker 3: that the horror movie's happening because they won't even bother
Speaker 3: to see it. They don't think the theater is real
Speaker 3: and Jason is a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 5: And that's where we're at.
Speaker 3: And I just don't know what to say as the
Speaker 3: technocracy has mission creep, and where are we going to be.
Speaker 5: In a few months.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Ask the Ais because they will probably know, Aaron. With that,
Speaker 3: I've dragged you over time. But you know what, a
Speaker 3: little overtime on the age of transitions is a good thing.
Speaker 3: I think, so by all means, my friend, I leave
Speaker 3: it to you to end your show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I'll take it, Chuck. It was fun.
Speaker 1: It's going to make this a conversation and getting a
Speaker 1: little bit you know, taking a look as we always
Speaker 1: need to back at what was styled the alternative media
Speaker 1: previously but now is shifting into again the new mainstream media.
Speaker 1: But they wouldn't, Derek call themselves that, so they won't
Speaker 1: just continue to watch the branding play itself out because
Speaker 1: you know it's going to just be aware of this
Speaker 1: thing for once. Stop parroting all this stuff they wants
Speaker 1: you to keep saying, stop doing it, stop playing by
Speaker 1: their rules. That's what we are doing. We're being manipulated
Speaker 1: by machines which do not think we're becoming machines, and
Speaker 1: we don't think it's time to realize that situation that
Speaker 1: we're in and change it. So it's not going to
Speaker 1: just do it by it.
Speaker 2: If we keep.
Speaker 1: Automating things, the analytics are going to push us in
Speaker 1: whatever direction that they will.
Speaker 3: And I feel like just adding this final note that
Speaker 3: I feel as though you and I could be unified
Speaker 3: under a single phrase. It's a little wordy and maybe
Speaker 3: it needs to be edited just to touch. But I
Speaker 3: would say that we need to put on a T
Speaker 3: shirt and everywhere else we can this phrase. There is
Speaker 3: an US And then, however, you have gotten the identities
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Speaker 2: Wrong.
Speaker 1: Nice Chuck, that's a good one. Hey, yeah, indeed, yes.
Speaker 1: And I've always been happy to be a part of
Speaker 1: this group of misfits at the o'celly Radio Network. It's
Speaker 1: not usually too big a group, but hey where we
Speaker 1: got our own drum beat going here, and that's the
Speaker 1: way we like it. That's the way we're going to
Speaker 1: keep it. What it gets us, I don't know. It
Speaker 1: doesn't get us two hundred million dollars a year. It
Speaker 1: doesn't get us the most views on any social media platform.
Speaker 1: Probably gets us suppressed on the platforms, quite frankly.
Speaker 3: But I almost always have an opening for somebody new
Speaker 3: who is unique and feels as though they don't have
Speaker 3: a comfortable place to be. We can make that happen.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, so it is available. It's not as
Speaker 3: though I'm not taking new people into account or new
Speaker 3: possibilities into account. I would love to expand the team here,
Speaker 3: but you cannot come here being somebody else. You got
Speaker 3: to come here being yourself. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Very good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we welcome you. I'd love to see another host
Speaker 1: to a cool show. I would, I would listen to it,
Speaker 1: I would enjoy it. Come on over, come join us.
Speaker 1: We're I'm excited about the idea, so I would love
Speaker 1: to see that happen again. O'chelly dot com is the
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Speaker 2: Except for you.
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Speaker 1: I will see you in future episodes. I might even
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