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<v Speaker 1>Hey, twenty nine here fifty five KRSE detalk station. It

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<v Speaker 1>is that alliterative segment of the fifty five KRSE Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't take credit for the name. It is Daniel Davis

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<v Speaker 1>Deep Dive. You can search form online the podcast Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Deep Dive. Good to have you back on this show.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel retired Lieutenant colonel and analyst of things conflicts mostly related.

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<v Speaker 1>Lately we're gonna talk about the Middle East, shocking no one.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to see you. Good to have you back on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, My friend always great to be here. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>actually looking forward to this as much as my own show. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad. I really have fun talking with you, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you offer a very it's a unique insight.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's where the value comes from. You just

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<v Speaker 1>have a different way of looking things, and of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the horrors and the fog of war. Difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to come up with solutions, but it always helps when

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<v Speaker 1>you have some sort of strategy or a plan if

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting into a conflict, which I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>we have here going to Ukraine, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>just can I before we talk about the Ukrainian president

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<v Speaker 1>offering this sort of piece, the piece through strength, solution

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<v Speaker 1>and real quick. I just wanted to get your reaction

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<v Speaker 1>on what I thought. My immediate reaction was to laugh.

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<v Speaker 1>But the genius of being able to plant bombs inside

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<v Speaker 1>pagers and walkie talkies that the Hesbala people had, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they the Hesbala guys are the ones that got

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<v Speaker 1>blown up, is it not. I mean a master work

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<v Speaker 1>of intelligence community to get those things in the hands

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<v Speaker 1>of those guys and simultaneously blow them up, which I thought,

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<v Speaker 1>knocking them back on their heels, which would open an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for Israel to yes, go in militarily and go

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<v Speaker 1>after the terrorists in Lebanon, which apparently has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's in terms of just state craft and of

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<v Speaker 2>the intelligence ability to do that, it's it's truly an

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<v Speaker 2>unprecedented event. Yeah, it's never been done to that extent

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<v Speaker 2>because there was so much complexity and so much time

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<v Speaker 2>necessary to set up shell companies and to make the

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<v Speaker 2>recipients think that it was a trust agent and all

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff. There are some issues around the

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<v Speaker 2>edge because it was not very discriminated. Some you know,

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<v Speaker 2>children were killed who happened to have the pagers, so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not a clean operation, but it's it

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<v Speaker 2>definitely operationally significantly damaged his blows ability to communicate. And if,

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<v Speaker 2>as I suspect is the case, Israel's getting ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go in on the ground and push back. They've signaled

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<v Speaker 2>everything to that degree, this will significantly complicate his Bill's

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<v Speaker 2>ability to coordinate a reaction on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can't deny the psychological benefit it had to

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<v Speaker 1>have had. I mean, can you imagine that Hisbolla commanders

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<v Speaker 1>when that happened, and what their reaction might have been.

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<v Speaker 1>So score one for the psyops I suppose to, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just I couldn't believe my eyes when I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading what I was reading about what happened. Both, let's

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<v Speaker 1>move away from Israel and Lebanon and Gaza and get

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<v Speaker 1>over to Ukraine, where President valk Zelensky, I guess has

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<v Speaker 1>presented some sort of East proposal to Biden. I'm calling

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<v Speaker 1>it peace through strength, because that's what he's saying, strengthening

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<v Speaker 1>us and we can negotiate some peace. What's your take

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<v Speaker 1>on this one, Daniel, What are the details of this

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<v Speaker 1>proposal of the extent we've eate anybody knows him yet?

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. It's bizarre, is the only word that I can

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<v Speaker 2>come up with, because everywhere you look, and I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about in the last twenty four hours, actually the last

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<v Speaker 2>twelve hours, there are continuing extensive losses by the Ukraine side,

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<v Speaker 2>especially on the Eastern Front. They have taken one small

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<v Speaker 2>village in the course carry up in the north, but

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<v Speaker 2>then they are continuing to lose more ground kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in the neck of that penetration ip up into Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>which now puts their whole battle force at risk of

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<v Speaker 2>being cut off if they don't withdraw pretty soon. And

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<v Speaker 2>so when he comes in now and says, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was asked specifically on ABC News last night, does your

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<v Speaker 2>plans envision negotiation, because that's kind of what he has implied,

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<v Speaker 2>And he said, no, does it imply in negoti we

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<v Speaker 2>just want to, through diplomatic means, make Putin think that

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<v Speaker 2>he can't win, so that he gives us what we want.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sorry, that's not how war works, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>how human nature works. When you're on the commanding side

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<v Speaker 2>and you have all of the advantages and your side

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<v Speaker 2>is physically winning on the battlefield, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>negotiate a bad position, and so I don't really understand

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<v Speaker 2>what he's thinking. The only thing that I'll say is

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe he's gonna ask Biden to say, hey, put

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<v Speaker 2>us in NATO, give us more long range weapons, so

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<v Speaker 2>that'll change the actual calculation.

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<v Speaker 1>But that is never going to happen now. And we

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about Vladimir Putin here, right. I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 1>got an ego the size of the continent. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he is not going to back off on something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know the guy personally, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have observed his behavior and his conduct over the years.

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<v Speaker 1>If he's not happy about something, somebody dies or he

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<v Speaker 1>gets his way, and he is not going to to

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<v Speaker 1>put his tail between his legs. That's my analysis of

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<v Speaker 1>the guy. No psychologists, and I don't play one on radio.

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<v Speaker 1>But going back to the long range missiles I heard

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<v Speaker 1>the other day, and I'm sorry I camera call the

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<v Speaker 1>source of my apologies, but I'll just gauge your reaction

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<v Speaker 1>on this because it sounds logical coming from Vladimir Putin.

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<v Speaker 1>He told us, do not sell those long range missiles

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<v Speaker 1>to Ukraine, and do not let them hit in the

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<v Speaker 1>interior of our country, or you my friend, United States

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<v Speaker 1>have started World War three in essence, they have nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>capabilities and they will be willing to use them. Any

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<v Speaker 1>truth to that is that anything you heard this minus

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<v Speaker 1>thinking this was kind of like back channel communications, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There have been I actually have heard some sources who

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<v Speaker 2>claim to have knowledge of about some of those back channels,

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<v Speaker 2>And the claim is that Russia's was very very emphatic

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<v Speaker 2>about what they would be willing to do. They certainly

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't go to nuclear weapons immediately, like if we authorize

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<v Speaker 2>long range missiles and they were used. And the reason,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way that he says this is because those

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<v Speaker 2>missiles are so sophisticated, both in their operation and in

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<v Speaker 2>the targeting mechanism that requires satellite guidance and satellite target identification,

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<v Speaker 2>which Ukraine doesn't have. So if it will only be

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<v Speaker 2>at our direct engagement, which many people in the ways

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<v Speaker 2>have admitted to ironically, But the bigger issue is that

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<v Speaker 2>the missiles are not going to change the course of

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<v Speaker 2>the war, even if it didn't escalate, it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to change anything because there's not enough of them.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't even have enough, as our.

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of Defense openly admitted, We don't have enough. But

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<v Speaker 2>what Russia has claimed is that if that happens, even

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<v Speaker 2>on the tactical you know, in conventional format with missiles,

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<v Speaker 2>then they will respond in kind. And we don't know

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<v Speaker 2>for sure what they mean, but so I think that

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<v Speaker 2>they would possibly strike like AMO depots in Natal countries

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<v Speaker 2>if that happens, And of course, now then you've got

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<v Speaker 2>Article five implications. And then I think that's the other

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<v Speaker 2>reason why they didn't mention the nuclear capacity, because if

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<v Speaker 2>NATO things are going to end the war, then you Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>in their view, will have no choice because they can't

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<v Speaker 2>handle conventionally NATO. Then they would use, They're willing to

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<v Speaker 2>use tactical nuclear weapons, and man, I'm saying, why even

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<v Speaker 2>toy with that possibility when there's nothing to gain even conventionally.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do it. Yeah, I share your concerns along those lines,

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<v Speaker 1>but a pivoting over the broader concerns you just pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't even have enough of these missiles, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking along the lines for our own protection benefit or

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<v Speaker 1>any conflicts we might be involved with. Something I hear

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<v Speaker 1>and read repeatedly over and over again. It was back

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<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about one hundred and fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>millimeters shells. We're running out of those. Well, it's only

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<v Speaker 1>old equipment and we aren't got to yet. Fine, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>we're trying to build up Japan's army, we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>build up Israel, supplying them with weapons. We're supplying Ukraine

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<v Speaker 1>with weapons. What about are the exhaustion of our own

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<v Speaker 1>defense capabilities, our own ability defend ourselves or wage war?

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<v Speaker 1>That is a serious concern, isn't it. It's an even

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<v Speaker 1>bigger than that. To me.

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<v Speaker 2>You had Jake Sullivan about a week or so ago

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<v Speaker 2>in a public forum admit that we had to get

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<v Speaker 2>all the interceptor missiles we had offered everywhere else in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, everywhere else, to give them all to Ukraine. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned at the early part of this show here

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<v Speaker 2>the era Israel war. If they go in on the

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<v Speaker 2>ground against Hezbolah, they have hundreds of thousands of rockets

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<v Speaker 2>and weapons, they will need even more interceptor missiles than

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<v Speaker 2>we have. So if we are already exhaust given them

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<v Speaker 2>to Ukraine, and then now here Israe's about to need

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<v Speaker 2>even more? Where are they coming from? And then God

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<v Speaker 2>help us if we get into a warning where which

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<v Speaker 2>is what we're supposed to have our military for to

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<v Speaker 2>defend our interests if we then get into a war, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have any interceptors, and that makes us strategically vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bad move. Well, and knowing that Chinese are involved,

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<v Speaker 1>the Iranians are involved, and the Russians are all involved

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<v Speaker 1>in these multiple conflicts, they're all helping each other, supporting

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<v Speaker 1>each other with supplies of weapons. It makes me want

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<v Speaker 1>to suspect, given the demands of our US military manufacturing capabilities,

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<v Speaker 1>that part of them is really engaged in a battle

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<v Speaker 1>of attrition to see us use up all of our

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<v Speaker 1>military hardware, giving them an opportunity to do all I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, maybe invade Taiwan, or maybe invade some other

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<v Speaker 1>country or who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're in jeopardy. We don't even end this strategic

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<v Speaker 2>and we're sucking ourselves into that track. Yes, they may

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<v Speaker 2>have that intention, but only because we're enabling it. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the maddening part to me, is that we're facilitating ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>getting sucked into a trap.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Davis always refreshing and enlightening conversation, maybe not always uplifting,

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<v Speaker 1>but gotta call it like it is. Man, gotta call

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<v Speaker 1>like it is Next Tuesday. We're trying to avoid the

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<v Speaker 1>worst outcome. I know you are, and I'm with you

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<v Speaker 1>on that. I had enough award. Tune in next Tuesday

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<v Speaker 1>for another Daniel Davis deep dive. In the meantime, search

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<v Speaker 1>for them online. You'll find them. Take care of my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Best of health you next time. All right, brother, coming

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<v Speaker 1>and so much so that the federal government will be

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<v Speaker 1>giving you if you fill your tax form out and

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<v Speaker 1>take advantage of the energy tax credit twelve hundred dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a twelve hundred dollars energy tax credit, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not even just a write down a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>your taxes. It's an actual twelve hundred dollars reduction for

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<v Speaker 1>doing the right thing, getting comfort, getting savings, a product

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<v Speaker 1>that saves for itself, even improves the value of your

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<v Speaker 1>home because of the benefits. USA Installation dot net five

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