WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What what's gonna happen? 3 00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:27.120 I think, what if? And today, Oh, do we have 4 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:28.000 a good one for you? 5 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:34.600 Definitely? Definitely good, definitely interesting. Yeahs, probably like a hundred 6 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:35.280 rabbit holes to. 7 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:38.960 Go through, right, I was, And it's it's a bit 8 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:42.399 different than other stuff that we've done. It's a bit 9 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:45.000 more deep, I would. 10 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:49.320 Say, yeah, oh yeah, well, I mean, I think the 11 00:00:49.359 --> 00:00:52.039 great thing about it though, is it's totally different from 12 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:54.479 what we've done, but it's still, in my opinion, ties 13 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:59.240 back to ocult system. Oh absolutely, Hence why it's on 14 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.479 our show, right, And. 15 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:08.040 I think that one thing that I find really fascinating 16 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:12.840 about this subject is that I've seen researchers who have 17 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:15.760 been doing this for a very long time, much longer 18 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:19.159 than I have. Some guys who've been doing research for 19 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.439 twenty years, and they haven't even heard about the subject 20 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.560 that we're going to talk about today. And it's a 21 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:32.680 pretty unknown operation or project or from the CIA, and 22 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:38.519 it definitely includes occultism and a lot of different subjects 23 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:42.400 that I guess would be considered paranormal. And so today 24 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:48.799 we're going to be covering the Gateway experience and the 25 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.000 CIA involvement with it. 26 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.400 One thing I did want to say though, is I 27 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:58.159 think though that the good thing about the mentioning occultism 28 00:01:58.480 --> 00:02:01.159 connected to this is that I would even think some people, 29 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:04.040 unless they were really into occultism, probably wouldn't even notice 30 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:07.560 the connections right at all. Like I see it, and 31 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:10.560 you see it because we've practiced it and we actually know, 32 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:16.439 like you know, the specific practices that have suggested in occultism. 33 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:19.319 So I think this might even be you know, a 34 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.039 little eye opening for some people to actually see exactly 35 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:23.599 like what are some occult practices? 36 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:28.719 Also, yeah, certainly, and that the CIA was and probably 37 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:35.039 still is actively researching the occult in a very scientific way, 38 00:02:35.879 --> 00:02:41.360 and they are drawing conclusions of sort of how modern 39 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:46.560 science is confirming the occult, you know, just the occult 40 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.439 calls it something slightly different because you know these terms 41 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.439 that the occult uses is hundreds, if not thousands of 42 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:56.800 years old. So as the CIA sort of researches it, 43 00:02:56.840 --> 00:03:01.520 they're vindicating it or validating it. You're seeing things that 44 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:06.039 were that are described in occult literature appear in the documents. 45 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.000 So it's very very interesting. 46 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.759 It's funny what I used to tell some people that 47 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:18.319 my opinion of magic is when science and spirituality connect. Yeah, 48 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:22.080 because I believe there is an actual science behind it also. 49 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.319 Right, and I think that it's probably a lost science. 50 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:26.520 I think that at one time. 51 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.599 I think that's part of the occultism is actually explaining. 52 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:34.439 Right, And you know that people's long ago probably had 53 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:37.800 a very good understanding of the occult and to you know, 54 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:41.919 to them, it was a science and still continues, you 55 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:46.800 know exactly. But you know, one thing that and we'll 56 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.280 get kind of more into it later, is I'm very 57 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.280 interested now to kind of wonder where it is that 58 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.199 these people so long ago who were writing the early documents, 59 00:03:56.319 --> 00:04:00.599 you know, the Hebrews that were destry describing ball of 60 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:05.479 how they received that information, because they talk about it 61 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:08.439 in the documents too, and it seems like the Hebrews 62 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:09.240 were pretty ripe. 63 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:13.919 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that 64 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:15.599 I noticed that I was just like, wow, this is 65 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:22.199 just connects so much to yeah, my cultism. So I 66 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:23.920 don't I don't mean to take of track. 67 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:26.439 I was just going to say to a lot of 68 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.120 people who maybe are not too familiar with the CIA, 69 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.560 and they would say, well, what in the world would 70 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.560 the CIA have any interest in this type of stuff? 71 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:40.879 All right, isn't the CIA researching terrorism? Aren't they, you know, 72 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:45.720 hunting down international drug smugglers? Yeah, they are, but they 73 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:50.079 are also in very interested in other subjects. And it's 74 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.680 important to remember kind of how the CIA started, and 75 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:58.959 you know, they came out of the Operation paper Clip, 76 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.560 which I'm sure some of our viewers might have heard 77 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:07.000 about before, which was just essentially the United States government 78 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:13.040 after World War Two began to recruit Japanese scientists along 79 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:18.240 with German scientists to work on certain projects. So it's 80 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:22.839 a dark fact of American history, but we definitely did 81 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:28.439 recruit Nazi scientists and Japanese scientists who were really bad guys. 82 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:33.399 And the research that they were doing in World War Two, 83 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:39.439 the Japanese and the Germans revolved a lot around sort 84 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:46.519 of torture, mind control, psychological investigations. A lot of our 85 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:50.879 medical breakthroughs came that we have now, a lot of 86 00:05:50.959 --> 00:05:52.959 them are a result of some of the things that 87 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.920 we learned because of the experiments that were done during 88 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:00.839 World War Two. So essentially, the you know, the United 89 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:04.680 States government takes a bunch of these scientists and they 90 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:08.199 give them exemption and they pretty much tell them to 91 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.279 report to Fort Dietrich in Maryland and to start doing 92 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:19.240 research on seren gas and other chemicals and along the 93 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:23.040 same around the same time, so we're talking about the fifties. 94 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:28.759 You know, LSD is discovered in Switzerland, and you know, 95 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:34.399 sort of before the CIA got the name CIA, they 96 00:06:34.439 --> 00:06:41.560 were called the OSS. And the CIA really wanted to 97 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:44.279 kind of become their own entity because they wanted to 98 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:50.920 do research about explicitly mind control. And so they did 99 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:55.519 a couple of these early projects, such as like Operation 100 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:59.120 Sea Spray and Bluebird, and then eventually, because of the 101 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.600 success that they had in those projects, the US government 102 00:07:02.639 --> 00:07:06.600 was like, yep, let's form a CIA. And the CIA 103 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:13.000 is formed and with the express goal of mind control. 104 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.360 So it is important to remember that, you know, as 105 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.560 the CIA was being founded, sure they had been doing 106 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:22.439 research and other stuff, but they were very interested in 107 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:25.759 mind control. And one of the early first projects you 108 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:29.240 have is Project MK Ultra, well its original name is 109 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:33.319 mk Naomi, and they were trying to figure out how 110 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:43.000 that they could control people's minds. So that interesting. So 111 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:46.160 the subjects you know that we'll talk about today, you 112 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:50.240 can certainly see why the CIA was interested in it 113 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:55.600 and wanted to learn more. So, yeah, we're talking about 114 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.079 Operation Uh well it's not even operation, but they yeah, 115 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:05.360 experience and the Gateway Experience was started by a gentleman 116 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:09.040 by the name of Robert Monroe, so essentially he was 117 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:14.759 doing this research. The CIA was interested. But mister Monroe, 118 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:21.480 who started the Gateway Experience, he's got a pretty interesting history, definitely. 119 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:29.879 So he was born in nineteen fifteen and he had 120 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:36.559 this guy he was really interested in student sort of 121 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:43.279 like human consciousness and research when out of body experience experiences. 122 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:49.559 But his early life he was really involved with the NAA, 123 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:56.000 so the National Aeronautic Association. He went to Ohio State 124 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:01.120 and he studied pre med. He was really interested in 125 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:06.639 broadcasting and it got involved, I think even bought a 126 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:11.639 couple different like broadcast stations and things like that. 127 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:15.679 So he was one of the founders of the Jefferson 128 00:09:15.720 --> 00:09:17.120 Cable Corporation. 129 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:23.320 Right, yeah, and I mean that's that's that's a pretty 130 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:23.799 big deal. 131 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:27.399 They even credit him for being the for coming up 132 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:29.919 with the term out of body experience OBE. 133 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:34.559 And that all started because of his kind of weird 134 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:39.279 experiences that he was having when he was researching sleep learning. 135 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:43.159 So he was he was saying that he thought it 136 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.200 was possible that you could learn a lot of information 137 00:09:46.360 --> 00:09:49.080 in a very short amount of time just by sort 138 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:53.200 of listening to information as you were sleeping. But then 139 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:57.159 he had what he claimed was the first out of 140 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:02.279 body experience for him, right, yes, and that was in 141 00:10:02.519 --> 00:10:05.799 that was in fifty eight, and he described it as 142 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.639 you know, he was doing this sleep learning and he 143 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.360 got paralysis and he started to sense all of this 144 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:18.200 weird vibration and bright light, and he talks about in 145 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:21.120 his book the Journey out of the Body. 146 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.440 So now that happened, and when in nineteen fifty eight, 147 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:27.200 you said, yeah, all right, so then I just want 148 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.519 to read these two things. So now, prior to nineteen 149 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:34.840 fifty eight, this guy. In nineteen fifty three, they had 150 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:41.039 Monroe formed Ram Enterprise as a corporation that produced network 151 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.799 radio programs, and they had as many as twenty eight 152 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:48.279 programs monthly already. Yeah, And then in nineteen fifty six 153 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:51.960 they created a research and development division to study the 154 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:56.720 effects of various sound patterns on human consciousness, including the 155 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.799 sleep state. Monroe was especially attracted to the concept of 156 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.519 sleep learning. So I mean that's just shows. I mean, 157 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:05.639 look how much stuff he What I find weird is 158 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.600 that this guy was into broadcasting also, right, and then 159 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:14.120 is associated with studying with specific sounds on human consciousness. 160 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:22.080 Sure, and frequencies and yeah, frequency vibration is really important 161 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.679 to the occult and I would say it's one of 162 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.799 the natural laws, the law of vibration. Oh yeah, so 163 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:34.759 you know, vibration, deeply occulted stuff. So he's already researching 164 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:38.360 that and also involved in broadcasting at the same time, 165 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:40.159 which is curious. 166 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:43.200 You don't have to be totally honest with you. If 167 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.360 you didn't think of the law of vibration in some 168 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:48.600 other simple way, I don't even think you could even 169 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:50.559 believe in practicing ritual magic. 170 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:53.320 Yeah, I couldn't. 171 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:57.159 See like even some sort of small concept version of that, 172 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:01.000 some basic idea of that. How how you would even 173 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:04.399 justify it even really working at all? 174 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:11.080 Right, I mean during rituals, vibration is such an important part. 175 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:15.720 And I would even be able to notice that certain 176 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:19.559 times in certain rituals where you remember, we could be 177 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:24.519 able to get that vibration down perfectly vibrating that. Yeah, 178 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.519 it's like you can if there's a sensation that happens, 179 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:28.480 there's something. 180 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:30.600 It almost feels like you're in tune with something. 181 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:35.759 Yeah, yeah, right. So after he kind of did all 182 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:39.440 of those things, he went on to form the Monroe Institute, 183 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:45.600 and that was he formed that in I think it 184 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:52.200 was eighty five, I'm not sure, but either way, he 185 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:55.639 started to he started to know it was started in 186 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:56.360 sixty two. 187 00:12:56.240 --> 00:12:59.039 And then yeah, that was yeah, Monroe Industries. Yep, you 188 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:00.840 started in sixty two Virginia. 189 00:13:00.799 --> 00:13:04.519 Right, because it wasn't the Monroe Institute yet, it was 190 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:06.960 Industries Industries. 191 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:09.759 So now at that time in eineteen sixty two, was 192 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.519 the CIA also in Virginia. 193 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:16.279 Well, they were. They were definitely in Fort Dietrich, which 194 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:22.559 is not far that's in Maryland. And while okay, so 195 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:27.759 during that time period, you know of of sort of 196 00:13:27.799 --> 00:13:32.840 like the late fifties, we're getting into the earlier sixties. 197 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.799 You know, the CIA was doing the mk ultra experiments 198 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:43.639 at Fort Dietrich and they were essentially exposing people to 199 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:48.240 copious amounts of LSD and they would kind of do 200 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:51.080 a lot of research similar to what Monroe was doing 201 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:55.559 by exposing them to vibrations or Honestly, I would say 202 00:13:55.559 --> 00:14:00.799 that MK Ultra as a CIA operation was more portrait though. 203 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.039 I mean, yeah, I think it was a lot harder 204 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:07.159 on people this than this thing is right, psychologically and physically. 205 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.879 Yeah. Yeah, they were really kind of stretching the boundaries 206 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.799 to see when the human mind would break or what 207 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.519 was behind the human mind. I mean they were doing 208 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:18.960 some really. 209 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:21.679 Yeah, exactly exactly, it's the best way to say it, 210 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:22.080 I think. 211 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:26.799 Yeah. And so yeah, he goes on, you know, starts 212 00:14:26.840 --> 00:14:32.639 the Monroe Institute, and he develops a system that he 213 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:36.240 thinks is you know, really effective of sort of doing 214 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:41.360 the sleep learning or expanding and exploring human consciousness with 215 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:45.840 these different frequencies. And the way that he even built 216 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:48.080 this program was that he he brought a bunch of 217 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:54.840 different people from different different expertise together and that's how 218 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:58.559 they sort of built the Monroe the Gateway experience with 219 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:01.320 a bunch of people perfect it, learned what worked and 220 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:03.960 what didn't. And then that's sort of after that's when 221 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.679 they started the Institute, is they realized what they were 222 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:13.519 doing was very effective, and what they were doing were 223 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:17.919 these out of body experiences where people would try to 224 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:23.919 go into past lives maybe go into different times, different 225 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:28.600 you know, past present, future, learned from their past lives, 226 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:33.919 you know, altered states of consciousness, and a lot of 227 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:37.799 it was, you know, hypnosis based. A lot of it 228 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:43.039 was you're being exposed to various frequencies in one left ear, 229 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.759 but yet in the right ear you're being exposed to 230 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:51.240 another frequency. And they developed what they called hemi sync, 231 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:59.279 which was figuring out how to allow the information that 232 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:03.919 was being presented to the listener passed to the left 233 00:16:03.919 --> 00:16:05.840 hand side of the brain, because the left hand side 234 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:09.799 of the brain filters out a lot of things that 235 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:14.000 to the right hand side. So they wanted to figure 236 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:16.320 out how to bridge that gap and make it so 237 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:20.240 that the information that the participant was listening to was 238 00:16:20.440 --> 00:16:23.320 entering into the right hand side of the brain, which 239 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:27.240 is more of the subconscious side of the brain. Right, 240 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:30.159 it's not, it's less of the analytical side of the brain. 241 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.360 The left is the analytical side of the brain. 242 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:36.080 I remember even reading like through the documents and stuff 243 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.600 or whatever it was that I think there was a 244 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:42.240 might have been neither an assessment or maybe it was 245 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:47.080 something a doctor had said that it seems like at 246 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:51.480 some point, somehow people started kind of like whatever they 247 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:56.480 didn't quite understand, whatever was like normally right side brain thinking, 248 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.559 the left side of the brain started to come up 249 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:04.480 with its own ideas of deciphering that. Basically, yeah, because 250 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:06.680 it's because you're not really in your right hand side 251 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:08.200 of the brain that much, so now it's going to 252 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:09.839 have to go to the left. And once it goes 253 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:11.559 to the left, that's just going to kind of make 254 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:14.599 up whatever you can really think of to make sense 255 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:16.279 even and it could be completely. 256 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:19.000 Off exactly right, because it's trying to analyze it. 257 00:17:19.440 --> 00:17:21.720 It's trying to analyze something it has nothing, it doesn't 258 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:22.680 really understand at all. 259 00:17:23.720 --> 00:17:26.400 And to me, the whole left hand, right hand side 260 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:34.440 of the brain, Oh my goodness. Right, yeah, well, I mean. 261 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:38.200 That's that's exactly what it's all about to. 262 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:43.000 Me, right, I mean to occultist out there who are listening, 263 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:46.160 you know, you're this is the analogy of balance, you know, 264 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:52.799 ying and yang, you know, the the alchemical process of 265 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:57.240 trying to perfect the man so that you are essentially 266 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:01.720 bringing both sides of your brain together and having harmony 267 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:07.480 or unity. Essentially, I would say, is the occultist one 268 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.440 of their main goal of an occultist is is Hemi sink. 269 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:18.640 It's just called something else tip for yep, Yeah, pretty 270 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:23.599 much right, because you know, the basic theory is that 271 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.039 when you're living in one side of the brain without 272 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:30.039 there being unity between the two, then you are off balance. 273 00:18:30.799 --> 00:18:39.119 So you know, they they really perfected this Hemi sink. 274 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.799 You know, the technology and the research that they were 275 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:46.599 doing to the point that in nineteen seventy eight, the 276 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:53.359 US Military evaluated the Monroe Institute, so they were curious 277 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:57.160 about what Monroe was doing. The CIA, of course probably 278 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.559 had its ears up because they were doing MK ultra 279 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:03.400 type res search. So in nineteen seventy eight, the military 280 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:08.720 evaluates the Monroe Institute, and that was done by the 281 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:09.920 Department of the Army. 282 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:13.440 Now maybe I'm wrong, but didn't they kind of just 283 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.440 find out about it and just like kind of just 284 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.880 inserted somebody in there, Like that's what I almost got 285 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:20.920 out of, like how they even did the review. 286 00:19:22.400 --> 00:19:25.920 So yeah, they sent their they initially evaluated it, but 287 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:29.279 I kind of I'm guessing sending officers there for the 288 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.000 OBE training. They did that in seventy eight, and then 289 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:36.279 in eighty three they did it again and sent even 290 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.200 more officers to the Monroe Institute to undergo the Hemi 291 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:41.480 Sink type of training. 292 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:46.440 Yeah. Yeah, I think the first analysis was almost kind 293 00:19:46.440 --> 00:19:48.279 of like, yeah, just try to get in there and 294 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:48.759 tell us what. 295 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:53.839 Happens, right, So they definitely were doing that to try 296 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:56.279 and figure out if it was bunk, if it was 297 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:59.279 kind of phony, if it was maybe a cult, if 298 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.759 it was real at all. In seventy eight, but in 299 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.640 eighty three when they sent officers again, that is when 300 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:12.119 they wrote the analysis and an assessment of the Gateway process. 301 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:17.559 So this is the Department of Defense, the military, the 302 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:23.000 Department of the Army, the US Army Intelligence and Security 303 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:27.519 Command out of Fort Meade in Maryland. They were sending 304 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:32.200 people to the Monroe Institute go to this training. They 305 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.640 figured out this is legit, and they said, well, we 306 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:39.240 need to write an analysis of this. We need to 307 00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:45.799 break this down and explain what's happening here. Because they 308 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:50.960 would continue to research the CIA would and Department of Army, 309 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:54.640 et cetera. They would continue to research this for decades 310 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:58.519 and they would go on to use it for decades 311 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:03.640 as well, various different things that had different project names. 312 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:08.640 But the most important thing I would say about the 313 00:21:08.759 --> 00:21:13.880 legitimacy of the Gateway Experience is the analysis and the 314 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:18.200 assessment of what the CIA in the Department the Army said, 315 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:21.039 Because again, this isn't you know, us kind of telling 316 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:23.400 you that this is we think maybe this is real 317 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.519 or something. Again, this is the CII. 318 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:27.799 The government's saying it's real. 319 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:30.440 Right, this is their analysis of it. 320 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:33.640 Before we get intoday, I just want to read something 321 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:35.720 that I had that I thought was interesting about the 322 00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:40.000 Hemi SYNH thing. Now you're saying that they got involved 323 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:42.480 in one eighty three, right. 324 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:47.799 The military. Yeah, they claim in seventy eight. 325 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:50.480 Oh, seventy eight, Okay, that's what it was. In nineteen 326 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:53.720 seventy five. At that point, Monroe had already registered a 327 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.799 first of a bunch of patents ensuring the audio techniques 328 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:01.400 that are used in the the Hemi sync thing, which 329 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:04.680 is basically what the CIA want to go check up on. 330 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:09.039 Like that's basically his program. And it already had a 331 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:12.839 trademarked brand name by then, and they had it was 332 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.680 like pretty much a you already an established thing at 333 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:16.359 that point. 334 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:20.440 Yeah, And they were doing out of body experiences in 335 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:24.839 the Gateway Experience already before the CIA and the Department 336 00:22:24.880 --> 00:22:26.160 of the Army even got there. 337 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.640 The more advanced stuff, I think near the end of 338 00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:32.799 the HEMI SINC Manual on the tapes, I think is 339 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:37.480 different versions of I think like remote viewing, and like 340 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:39.680 one of them is remote viewing by and out of 341 00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:43.960 body experience, right, and yeah, they I think that's like 342 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:45.480 one of the more like that's like one of the 343 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:47.160 more advanced parts of this. 344 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:51.319 Would be that. Yeah, in Monroe, if you go back 345 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.079 and hear sort of how he talked about those last 346 00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:58.400 stages of the out of body experience and you know, 347 00:22:58.880 --> 00:23:02.920 using remote viewing to travel through time and space or 348 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:06.480 even outside of time and space. The goal in the 349 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:11.000 Monroe Institute was to learn things about yourself in order 350 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:12.640 to become more. 351 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:15.400 Profoundly right right, Yeah, it does state that. 352 00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:19.880 Yeah, And then the CIA was like, wait, you said 353 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:28.799 what you can travel through time and space? What say what? So, yeah, 354 00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:32.480 they sent a bunch of their guys there and they researched, 355 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:35.440 they living hell out of it, and then they wrote 356 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:41.079 a very long and I would say thorough analysis of 357 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:45.559 it in nineteen eighty three, and the United States public 358 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:50.279 would not see these documents at all, unaware that these 359 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:53.880 big type of operations were even going on until its 360 00:23:54.000 --> 00:24:02.319 release in two thousand and three. Yeah, so I guess 361 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:05.440 it would probably be it'd be cool to start to 362 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:08.359 kind of get into what what does that document say? 363 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:13.039 What does the CIA, Department of Defense Army documents say 364 00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:13.839 about Gateway? 365 00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:16.599 They say a whole lot about it, actually, and they 366 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.880 and they seem to agree with that it works by 367 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:21.200 far right. 368 00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.480 And the person who was the guy who was responsible 369 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.559 for doing the analysis of this was Wayne m McDonald, 370 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.799 and he was the he was the commander of the U. 371 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.480 S Army Operational Group and Fort Meade. 372 00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:42.640 And there's a rather link the review too. 373 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:48.680 It was And so I'll just read you sort of 374 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.160 what it says here. On the first page. It says 375 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:56.680 that this is again the commander talking back to the 376 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:01.119 operational command. It says, you have asked me to provide 377 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:04.920 an assessment of the Gateway experience in terms of its 378 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:09.839 mechanics and ultimate practicality. As I set out to fulfill 379 00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:12.799 that tasking, it soon became clear that in order to 380 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:17.599 assess the validity and practicality of the Gateway process, I 381 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:22.039 needed to do enough supportive research and analysis to fully 382 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:27.920 understand how and why this process works frankly, Sir, that 383 00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:32.480 proved to be extremely involved in a very difficult business. Initially, 384 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:35.640 based on conversations with a physician who took the Gateway 385 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:41.960 training with me, had I had recourse to biomedical models 386 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:47.079 developed by a man named I told Bentov to obtain 387 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:52.960 information concerning the physical aspects of the process. Then I 388 00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:56.559 found it necessary to delve into various sources for information 389 00:25:56.759 --> 00:26:01.640 concerning them concerning quantum mechanics. In order to be able 390 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:07.480 to describe the nature and function of human consciousness, I 391 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:12.359 had to be able to construct a scientifically valid and 392 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:18.279 reasonably lucid model of how consciousness functions under the influence 393 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:24.640 of the brain hemispheric synchronization technique employed by the Gateway process. 394 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.799 Once this was done, the next step involved resource to 395 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:34.599 theoretical physics in order to explain the character of time 396 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:40.000 space and its dimensions and the means by which human 397 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:48.440 consciousness can expand and transcend it and achieving the Gateway objectives. Finally, 398 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:50.839 I found it necessary to use physics to bring the 399 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:54.920 whole phenomenon of out of body states into a language 400 00:26:55.319 --> 00:27:01.480 of physical science, to remove the stigma of its connotations, 401 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.200