Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: I think, what if? And today, Oh, do we have
Speaker 1: a good one for you?
Speaker 2: Definitely? Definitely good, definitely interesting. Yeahs, probably like a hundred
Speaker 2: rabbit holes to.
Speaker 1: Go through, right, I was, And it's it's a bit
Speaker 1: different than other stuff that we've done. It's a bit
Speaker 1: more deep, I would.
Speaker 2: Say, yeah, oh yeah, well, I mean, I think the
Speaker 2: great thing about it though, is it's totally different from
Speaker 2: what we've done, but it's still, in my opinion, ties
Speaker 2: back to ocult system. Oh absolutely, Hence why it's on
Speaker 2: our show, right, And.
Speaker 1: I think that one thing that I find really fascinating
Speaker 1: about this subject is that I've seen researchers who have
Speaker 1: been doing this for a very long time, much longer
Speaker 1: than I have. Some guys who've been doing research for
Speaker 1: twenty years, and they haven't even heard about the subject
Speaker 1: that we're going to talk about today. And it's a
Speaker 1: pretty unknown operation or project or from the CIA, and
Speaker 1: it definitely includes occultism and a lot of different subjects
Speaker 1: that I guess would be considered paranormal. And so today
Speaker 1: we're going to be covering the Gateway experience and the
Speaker 1: CIA involvement with it.
Speaker 2: One thing I did want to say though, is I
Speaker 2: think though that the good thing about the mentioning occultism
Speaker 2: connected to this is that I would even think some people,
Speaker 2: unless they were really into occultism, probably wouldn't even notice
Speaker 2: the connections right at all. Like I see it, and
Speaker 2: you see it because we've practiced it and we actually know,
Speaker 2: like you know, the specific practices that have suggested in occultism.
Speaker 2: So I think this might even be you know, a
Speaker 2: little eye opening for some people to actually see exactly
Speaker 2: like what are some occult practices?
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, certainly, and that the CIA was and probably
Speaker 1: still is actively researching the occult in a very scientific way,
Speaker 1: and they are drawing conclusions of sort of how modern
Speaker 1: science is confirming the occult, you know, just the occult
Speaker 1: calls it something slightly different because you know these terms
Speaker 1: that the occult uses is hundreds, if not thousands of
Speaker 1: years old. So as the CIA sort of researches it,
Speaker 1: they're vindicating it or validating it. You're seeing things that
Speaker 1: were that are described in occult literature appear in the documents.
Speaker 1: So it's very very interesting.
Speaker 2: It's funny what I used to tell some people that
Speaker 2: my opinion of magic is when science and spirituality connect. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I believe there is an actual science behind it also.
Speaker 1: Right, and I think that it's probably a lost science.
Speaker 1: I think that at one time.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of the occultism is actually explaining.
Speaker 1: Right, And you know that people's long ago probably had
Speaker 1: a very good understanding of the occult and to you know,
Speaker 1: to them, it was a science and still continues, you
Speaker 1: know exactly. But you know, one thing that and we'll
Speaker 1: get kind of more into it later, is I'm very
Speaker 1: interested now to kind of wonder where it is that
Speaker 1: these people so long ago who were writing the early documents,
Speaker 1: you know, the Hebrews that were destry describing ball of
Speaker 1: how they received that information, because they talk about it
Speaker 1: in the documents too, and it seems like the Hebrews
Speaker 1: were pretty ripe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that
Speaker 3: I noticed that I was just like, wow, this is
Speaker 3: just connects so much to yeah, my cultism. So I
Speaker 3: don't I don't mean to take of track.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say to a lot of
Speaker 1: people who maybe are not too familiar with the CIA,
Speaker 1: and they would say, well, what in the world would
Speaker 1: the CIA have any interest in this type of stuff?
Speaker 1: All right, isn't the CIA researching terrorism? Aren't they, you know,
Speaker 1: hunting down international drug smugglers? Yeah, they are, but they
Speaker 1: are also in very interested in other subjects. And it's
Speaker 1: important to remember kind of how the CIA started, and
Speaker 1: you know, they came out of the Operation paper Clip,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure some of our viewers might have heard
Speaker 1: about before, which was just essentially the United States government
Speaker 1: after World War Two began to recruit Japanese scientists along
Speaker 1: with German scientists to work on certain projects. So it's
Speaker 1: a dark fact of American history, but we definitely did
Speaker 1: recruit Nazi scientists and Japanese scientists who were really bad guys.
Speaker 1: And the research that they were doing in World War Two,
Speaker 1: the Japanese and the Germans revolved a lot around sort
Speaker 1: of torture, mind control, psychological investigations. A lot of our
Speaker 1: medical breakthroughs came that we have now, a lot of
Speaker 1: them are a result of some of the things that
Speaker 1: we learned because of the experiments that were done during
Speaker 1: World War Two. So essentially, the you know, the United
Speaker 1: States government takes a bunch of these scientists and they
Speaker 1: give them exemption and they pretty much tell them to
Speaker 1: report to Fort Dietrich in Maryland and to start doing
Speaker 1: research on seren gas and other chemicals and along the
Speaker 1: same around the same time, so we're talking about the fifties.
Speaker 1: You know, LSD is discovered in Switzerland, and you know,
Speaker 1: sort of before the CIA got the name CIA, they
Speaker 1: were called the OSS. And the CIA really wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of become their own entity because they wanted to
Speaker 1: do research about explicitly mind control. And so they did
Speaker 1: a couple of these early projects, such as like Operation
Speaker 1: Sea Spray and Bluebird, and then eventually, because of the
Speaker 1: success that they had in those projects, the US government
Speaker 1: was like, yep, let's form a CIA. And the CIA
Speaker 1: is formed and with the express goal of mind control.
Speaker 1: So it is important to remember that, you know, as
Speaker 1: the CIA was being founded, sure they had been doing
Speaker 1: research and other stuff, but they were very interested in
Speaker 1: mind control. And one of the early first projects you
Speaker 1: have is Project MK Ultra, well its original name is
Speaker 1: mk Naomi, and they were trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: that they could control people's minds. So that interesting. So
Speaker 1: the subjects you know that we'll talk about today, you
Speaker 1: can certainly see why the CIA was interested in it
Speaker 1: and wanted to learn more. So, yeah, we're talking about
Speaker 1: Operation Uh well it's not even operation, but they yeah,
Speaker 1: experience and the Gateway Experience was started by a gentleman
Speaker 1: by the name of Robert Monroe, so essentially he was
Speaker 1: doing this research. The CIA was interested. But mister Monroe,
Speaker 1: who started the Gateway Experience, he's got a pretty interesting history, definitely.
Speaker 1: So he was born in nineteen fifteen and he had
Speaker 1: this guy he was really interested in student sort of
Speaker 1: like human consciousness and research when out of body experience experiences.
Speaker 1: But his early life he was really involved with the NAA,
Speaker 1: so the National Aeronautic Association. He went to Ohio State
Speaker 1: and he studied pre med. He was really interested in
Speaker 1: broadcasting and it got involved, I think even bought a
Speaker 1: couple different like broadcast stations and things like that.
Speaker 2: So he was one of the founders of the Jefferson
Speaker 2: Cable Corporation.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and I mean that's that's that's a pretty
Speaker 1: big deal.
Speaker 2: They even credit him for being the for coming up
Speaker 2: with the term out of body experience OBE.
Speaker 1: And that all started because of his kind of weird
Speaker 1: experiences that he was having when he was researching sleep learning.
Speaker 1: So he was he was saying that he thought it
Speaker 1: was possible that you could learn a lot of information
Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time just by sort
Speaker 1: of listening to information as you were sleeping. But then
Speaker 1: he had what he claimed was the first out of
Speaker 1: body experience for him, right, yes, and that was in
Speaker 1: that was in fifty eight, and he described it as
Speaker 1: you know, he was doing this sleep learning and he
Speaker 1: got paralysis and he started to sense all of this
Speaker 1: weird vibration and bright light, and he talks about in
Speaker 1: his book the Journey out of the Body.
Speaker 2: So now that happened, and when in nineteen fifty eight,
Speaker 2: you said, yeah, all right, so then I just want
Speaker 2: to read these two things. So now, prior to nineteen
Speaker 2: fifty eight, this guy. In nineteen fifty three, they had
Speaker 2: Monroe formed Ram Enterprise as a corporation that produced network
Speaker 2: radio programs, and they had as many as twenty eight
Speaker 2: programs monthly already. Yeah, And then in nineteen fifty six
Speaker 2: they created a research and development division to study the
Speaker 2: effects of various sound patterns on human consciousness, including the
Speaker 2: sleep state. Monroe was especially attracted to the concept of
Speaker 2: sleep learning. So I mean that's just shows. I mean,
Speaker 2: look how much stuff he What I find weird is
Speaker 2: that this guy was into broadcasting also, right, and then
Speaker 2: is associated with studying with specific sounds on human consciousness.
Speaker 1: Sure, and frequencies and yeah, frequency vibration is really important
Speaker 1: to the occult and I would say it's one of
Speaker 1: the natural laws, the law of vibration. Oh yeah, so
Speaker 1: you know, vibration, deeply occulted stuff. So he's already researching
Speaker 1: that and also involved in broadcasting at the same time,
Speaker 1: which is curious.
Speaker 2: You don't have to be totally honest with you. If
Speaker 2: you didn't think of the law of vibration in some
Speaker 2: other simple way, I don't even think you could even
Speaker 2: believe in practicing ritual magic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't.
Speaker 2: See like even some sort of small concept version of that,
Speaker 2: some basic idea of that. How how you would even
Speaker 2: justify it even really working at all?
Speaker 1: Right, I mean during rituals, vibration is such an important part.
Speaker 1: And I would even be able to notice that certain
Speaker 1: times in certain rituals where you remember, we could be
Speaker 1: able to get that vibration down perfectly vibrating that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you can if there's a sensation that happens,
Speaker 1: there's something.
Speaker 2: It almost feels like you're in tune with something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right. So after he kind of did all
Speaker 1: of those things, he went on to form the Monroe Institute,
Speaker 1: and that was he formed that in I think it
Speaker 1: was eighty five, I'm not sure, but either way, he
Speaker 1: started to he started to know it was started in
Speaker 1: sixty two.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, that was yeah, Monroe Industries. Yep, you
Speaker 2: started in sixty two Virginia.
Speaker 1: Right, because it wasn't the Monroe Institute yet, it was
Speaker 1: Industries Industries.
Speaker 2: So now at that time in eineteen sixty two, was
Speaker 2: the CIA also in Virginia.
Speaker 1: Well, they were. They were definitely in Fort Dietrich, which
Speaker 1: is not far that's in Maryland. And while okay, so
Speaker 1: during that time period, you know of of sort of
Speaker 1: like the late fifties, we're getting into the earlier sixties.
Speaker 1: You know, the CIA was doing the mk ultra experiments
Speaker 1: at Fort Dietrich and they were essentially exposing people to
Speaker 1: copious amounts of LSD and they would kind of do
Speaker 1: a lot of research similar to what Monroe was doing
Speaker 1: by exposing them to vibrations or Honestly, I would say
Speaker 1: that MK Ultra as a CIA operation was more portrait though.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I think it was a lot harder
Speaker 2: on people this than this thing is right, psychologically and physically.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they were really kind of stretching the boundaries
Speaker 1: to see when the human mind would break or what
Speaker 1: was behind the human mind. I mean they were doing
Speaker 1: some really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly, it's the best way to say it,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so yeah, he goes on, you know, starts
Speaker 1: the Monroe Institute, and he develops a system that he
Speaker 1: thinks is you know, really effective of sort of doing
Speaker 1: the sleep learning or expanding and exploring human consciousness with
Speaker 1: these different frequencies. And the way that he even built
Speaker 1: this program was that he he brought a bunch of
Speaker 1: different people from different different expertise together and that's how
Speaker 1: they sort of built the Monroe the Gateway experience with
Speaker 1: a bunch of people perfect it, learned what worked and
Speaker 1: what didn't. And then that's sort of after that's when
Speaker 1: they started the Institute, is they realized what they were
Speaker 1: doing was very effective, and what they were doing were
Speaker 1: these out of body experiences where people would try to
Speaker 1: go into past lives maybe go into different times, different
Speaker 1: you know, past present, future, learned from their past lives,
Speaker 1: you know, altered states of consciousness, and a lot of
Speaker 1: it was, you know, hypnosis based. A lot of it
Speaker 1: was you're being exposed to various frequencies in one left ear,
Speaker 1: but yet in the right ear you're being exposed to
Speaker 1: another frequency. And they developed what they called hemi sync,
Speaker 1: which was figuring out how to allow the information that
Speaker 1: was being presented to the listener passed to the left
Speaker 1: hand side of the brain, because the left hand side
Speaker 1: of the brain filters out a lot of things that
Speaker 1: to the right hand side. So they wanted to figure
Speaker 1: out how to bridge that gap and make it so
Speaker 1: that the information that the participant was listening to was
Speaker 1: entering into the right hand side of the brain, which
Speaker 1: is more of the subconscious side of the brain. Right,
Speaker 1: it's not, it's less of the analytical side of the brain.
Speaker 1: The left is the analytical side of the brain.
Speaker 2: I remember even reading like through the documents and stuff
Speaker 2: or whatever it was that I think there was a
Speaker 2: might have been neither an assessment or maybe it was
Speaker 2: something a doctor had said that it seems like at
Speaker 2: some point, somehow people started kind of like whatever they
Speaker 2: didn't quite understand, whatever was like normally right side brain thinking,
Speaker 2: the left side of the brain started to come up
Speaker 2: with its own ideas of deciphering that. Basically, yeah, because
Speaker 2: it's because you're not really in your right hand side
Speaker 2: of the brain that much, so now it's going to
Speaker 2: have to go to the left. And once it goes
Speaker 2: to the left, that's just going to kind of make
Speaker 2: up whatever you can really think of to make sense
Speaker 2: even and it could be completely.
Speaker 1: Off exactly right, because it's trying to analyze it.
Speaker 2: It's trying to analyze something it has nothing, it doesn't
Speaker 2: really understand at all.
Speaker 1: And to me, the whole left hand, right hand side
Speaker 1: of the brain, Oh my goodness. Right, yeah, well, I mean.
Speaker 2: That's that's exactly what it's all about to.
Speaker 1: Me, right, I mean to occultist out there who are listening,
Speaker 1: you know, you're this is the analogy of balance, you know,
Speaker 1: ying and yang, you know, the the alchemical process of
Speaker 1: trying to perfect the man so that you are essentially
Speaker 1: bringing both sides of your brain together and having harmony
Speaker 1: or unity. Essentially, I would say, is the occultist one
Speaker 1: of their main goal of an occultist is is Hemi sink.
Speaker 1: It's just called something else tip for yep, Yeah, pretty
Speaker 1: much right, because you know, the basic theory is that
Speaker 1: when you're living in one side of the brain without
Speaker 1: there being unity between the two, then you are off balance.
Speaker 1: So you know, they they really perfected this Hemi sink.
Speaker 1: You know, the technology and the research that they were
Speaker 1: doing to the point that in nineteen seventy eight, the
Speaker 1: US Military evaluated the Monroe Institute, so they were curious
Speaker 1: about what Monroe was doing. The CIA, of course probably
Speaker 1: had its ears up because they were doing MK ultra
Speaker 1: type res search. So in nineteen seventy eight, the military
Speaker 1: evaluates the Monroe Institute, and that was done by the
Speaker 1: Department of the Army.
Speaker 2: Now maybe I'm wrong, but didn't they kind of just
Speaker 2: find out about it and just like kind of just
Speaker 2: inserted somebody in there, Like that's what I almost got
Speaker 2: out of, like how they even did the review.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they sent their they initially evaluated it, but
Speaker 1: I kind of I'm guessing sending officers there for the
Speaker 1: OBE training. They did that in seventy eight, and then
Speaker 1: in eighty three they did it again and sent even
Speaker 1: more officers to the Monroe Institute to undergo the Hemi
Speaker 1: Sink type of training.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think the first analysis was almost kind
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, just try to get in there and
Speaker 2: tell us what.
Speaker 1: Happens, right, So they definitely were doing that to try
Speaker 1: and figure out if it was bunk, if it was
Speaker 1: kind of phony, if it was maybe a cult, if
Speaker 1: it was real at all. In seventy eight, but in
Speaker 1: eighty three when they sent officers again, that is when
Speaker 1: they wrote the analysis and an assessment of the Gateway process.
Speaker 1: So this is the Department of Defense, the military, the
Speaker 1: Department of the Army, the US Army Intelligence and Security
Speaker 1: Command out of Fort Meade in Maryland. They were sending
Speaker 1: people to the Monroe Institute go to this training. They
Speaker 1: figured out this is legit, and they said, well, we
Speaker 1: need to write an analysis of this. We need to
Speaker 1: break this down and explain what's happening here. Because they
Speaker 1: would continue to research the CIA would and Department of Army,
Speaker 1: et cetera. They would continue to research this for decades
Speaker 1: and they would go on to use it for decades
Speaker 1: as well, various different things that had different project names.
Speaker 1: But the most important thing I would say about the
Speaker 1: legitimacy of the Gateway Experience is the analysis and the
Speaker 1: assessment of what the CIA in the Department the Army said,
Speaker 1: Because again, this isn't you know, us kind of telling
Speaker 1: you that this is we think maybe this is real
Speaker 1: or something. Again, this is the CII.
Speaker 2: The government's saying it's real.
Speaker 1: Right, this is their analysis of it.
Speaker 2: Before we get intoday, I just want to read something
Speaker 2: that I had that I thought was interesting about the
Speaker 2: Hemi SYNH thing. Now you're saying that they got involved
Speaker 2: in one eighty three, right.
Speaker 1: The military. Yeah, they claim in seventy eight.
Speaker 2: Oh, seventy eight, Okay, that's what it was. In nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy five. At that point, Monroe had already registered a
Speaker 2: first of a bunch of patents ensuring the audio techniques
Speaker 2: that are used in the the Hemi sync thing, which
Speaker 2: is basically what the CIA want to go check up on.
Speaker 2: Like that's basically his program. And it already had a
Speaker 2: trademarked brand name by then, and they had it was
Speaker 2: like pretty much a you already an established thing at
Speaker 2: that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they were doing out of body experiences in
Speaker 1: the Gateway Experience already before the CIA and the Department
Speaker 1: of the Army even got there.
Speaker 2: The more advanced stuff, I think near the end of
Speaker 2: the HEMI SINC Manual on the tapes, I think is
Speaker 2: different versions of I think like remote viewing, and like
Speaker 2: one of them is remote viewing by and out of
Speaker 2: body experience, right, and yeah, they I think that's like
Speaker 2: one of the more like that's like one of the
Speaker 2: more advanced parts of this.
Speaker 1: Would be that. Yeah, in Monroe, if you go back
Speaker 1: and hear sort of how he talked about those last
Speaker 1: stages of the out of body experience and you know,
Speaker 1: using remote viewing to travel through time and space or
Speaker 1: even outside of time and space. The goal in the
Speaker 1: Monroe Institute was to learn things about yourself in order
Speaker 1: to become more.
Speaker 2: Profoundly right right, Yeah, it does state that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then the CIA was like, wait, you said
Speaker 1: what you can travel through time and space? What say what? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: they sent a bunch of their guys there and they researched,
Speaker 1: they living hell out of it, and then they wrote
Speaker 1: a very long and I would say thorough analysis of
Speaker 1: it in nineteen eighty three, and the United States public
Speaker 1: would not see these documents at all, unaware that these
Speaker 1: big type of operations were even going on until its
Speaker 1: release in two thousand and three. Yeah, so I guess
Speaker 1: it would probably be it'd be cool to start to
Speaker 1: kind of get into what what does that document say?
Speaker 1: What does the CIA, Department of Defense Army documents say
Speaker 1: about Gateway?
Speaker 2: They say a whole lot about it, actually, and they
Speaker 2: and they seem to agree with that it works by
Speaker 2: far right.
Speaker 1: And the person who was the guy who was responsible
Speaker 1: for doing the analysis of this was Wayne m McDonald,
Speaker 1: and he was the he was the commander of the U.
Speaker 1: S Army Operational Group and Fort Meade.
Speaker 2: And there's a rather link the review too.
Speaker 1: It was And so I'll just read you sort of
Speaker 1: what it says here. On the first page. It says
Speaker 1: that this is again the commander talking back to the
Speaker 1: operational command. It says, you have asked me to provide
Speaker 1: an assessment of the Gateway experience in terms of its
Speaker 1: mechanics and ultimate practicality. As I set out to fulfill
Speaker 1: that tasking, it soon became clear that in order to
Speaker 1: assess the validity and practicality of the Gateway process, I
Speaker 1: needed to do enough supportive research and analysis to fully
Speaker 1: understand how and why this process works frankly, Sir, that
Speaker 1: proved to be extremely involved in a very difficult business. Initially,
Speaker 1: based on conversations with a physician who took the Gateway
Speaker 1: training with me, had I had recourse to biomedical models
Speaker 1: developed by a man named I told Bentov to obtain
Speaker 1: information concerning the physical aspects of the process. Then I
Speaker 1: found it necessary to delve into various sources for information
Speaker 1: concerning them concerning quantum mechanics. In order to be able
Speaker 1: to describe the nature and function of human consciousness, I
Speaker 1: had to be able to construct a scientifically valid and
Speaker 1: reasonably lucid model of how consciousness functions under the influence
Speaker 1: of the brain hemispheric synchronization technique employed by the Gateway process.
Speaker 1: Once this was done, the next step involved resource to
Speaker 1: theoretical physics in order to explain the character of time
Speaker 1: space and its dimensions and the means by which human
Speaker 1: consciousness can expand and transcend it and achieving the Gateway objectives. Finally,
Speaker 1: I found it necessary to use physics to bring the
Speaker 1: whole phenomenon of out of body states into a language
Speaker 1: of physical science, to remove the stigma of its connotations,
Speaker 1: and to put it in a frame of reference suitable
Speaker 1: for objective assessment.
Speaker 2: I love how you said to remove the occult connotations. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that he put that in there. I remember reading that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he just in that very first paragraph
Speaker 1: he's he's saying it works. We want to remove the
Speaker 1: occult connotation. We wanted to prove it scientifically in order
Speaker 1: for it to be more more practical, so that we
Speaker 1: can understand it, you know, and use it. I mean,
Speaker 1: right there there, cult is in the very first paragraph.
Speaker 1: And this is talking about you know, quantum mechanics and
Speaker 1: you know, physics, and and trying to them knowing what
Speaker 1: they knew, but they were trying to explain how it
Speaker 1: was working.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was going to read something that he wrote
Speaker 2: in here. It says under gateway and hemi hemi sync
Speaker 2: mm hmm. This is from the same guy. What differentiates
Speaker 2: the Gateway experience from forms of meditation is its use
Speaker 2: of the hem sync technique, which is defined in a
Speaker 2: monograph by Monroe Institute's trainer Melissa Jagger as a state
Speaker 2: of consciousness defined when the EEG patterns of both hemispheres
Speaker 2: a simultaneous simultaneously equal an amplitude and frequency.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Then she also says audio techniques developed by Bob Monroe
Speaker 2: can induce and sustain HEMI sync with the Institute's basic
Speaker 2: Focused three tapes, which Focus three. If you to look
Speaker 2: through it is like kind of like still basic stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh then it.
Speaker 2: Just basically and then then somebody I think there was somebody.
Speaker 2: There was somebody who was like a zen master and
Speaker 2: said that this was like what took him twenty years
Speaker 2: to get could be done in like a fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: if once you know what you're doing with this stuff exactly.
Speaker 1: And it so much revolves around that that certain certain
Speaker 1: tones being exposed to the ears that produces this this hemisphink.
Speaker 1: This it's like synchronization of the brain. And it says
Speaker 1: in the one of the third bullet points, it says
Speaker 1: that you are not you are not thinking, you are
Speaker 1: merely being logical. The physics of altered human consciousness deals
Speaker 1: with the conceptualization that are not easily grasped or visualized
Speaker 1: exclusively into the context of ordinary left brain linear thinking.
Speaker 1: So they explain that you know, during our waking life,
Speaker 1: everything is filtered through the left hand side of the brain,
Speaker 1: and they go on to explain how the right brain
Speaker 1: is the intuitive side, and and how you know, in
Speaker 1: order for them to kind of have this this whole thing,
Speaker 1: possibly you're the only way is if you have the
Speaker 1: left hand and right hand side sync together, your your
Speaker 1: brain waves are literally in harmony with each other.
Speaker 2: And that even goes into like something with the what
Speaker 2: is that called the lineman or whatever it is that's
Speaker 2: in between the two things like that has to like
Speaker 2: the way they described it almost swear to god, is
Speaker 2: I kind of like as that being the veil really yew,
Speaker 2: that almost has to like I think, vibrate and sink
Speaker 2: so they can both.
Speaker 1: Work right, and then it even and I'll find it.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny that that's called the lineman. But
Speaker 2: then secret societies have a laman, which is like this
Speaker 2: simple thought. I was like, is that like a playoff
Speaker 2: of words somehow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because that's what the Oto has.
Speaker 2: They have a lomen, which is that you know that
Speaker 2: reptilian eye looking thing or whatever shape you want to
Speaker 2: cool it. There was actually a thing that I wanted
Speaker 2: to read that was right not too long after what
Speaker 2: I just read that explains also how this works a
Speaker 2: little bit more that I thought was a total occult reference. Also,
Speaker 2: how I could show a cult reference to it was
Speaker 2: did you read the part where I said lamp versus
Speaker 2: laser when it's talking about like basically like fine tuning. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Melissa Jagger, this was another person that was involved with
Speaker 2: this stuff. Use a metaphor to help clarify the process
Speaker 2: involved in the use of HEMI sync in the Gateway experience,
Speaker 2: she points out that the human mind in its natural
Speaker 2: state may be likened to an ordinary lamp, which expends
Speaker 2: energy in the forms of both heat and light, but
Speaker 2: it's chaotic, it's like going all over the place. Basically,
Speaker 2: what they're getting at is that with this stuff, you'll
Speaker 2: be able to fine tune that and like maybe actually
Speaker 2: like do specific stuff with it, will like concentrate on
Speaker 2: specific things. Goes on to say, the mind can then
Speaker 2: bring itself into synchronization with more sophisticated and rarefied energy
Speaker 2: levels in the universe.
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: Now, if you've ever looked at and I have a
Speaker 2: bunch of them, I could put them up on any
Speaker 2: of the Hermit cards. Whenever they're holding the lamp there.
Speaker 2: I have never seen an actual flame in the lamp.
Speaker 2: It's always like some glowing orb or it could be
Speaker 2: like some glowing hexagram, but it's never an actual flame.
Speaker 2: It looks more of like a light or a beam.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Never seen an actual flame in any of those lamps.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I mean unless it's like one of those like
Speaker 2: you know, not you know what, an oracle card or
Speaker 2: some shit like that where it's just all artsy shit.
Speaker 2: But like some like reputable tarot decks, I don't think
Speaker 2: there's a flame in any of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the Hermit card, I mean, that's associated with wisdom,
Speaker 1: that's associated with you know, sort of that's.
Speaker 2: Like a top card too, you know, if you wanted
Speaker 2: to that'd be like for a magician, that's like, you know,
Speaker 2: something to aspire to exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then that card is all about gaining the wisdom
Speaker 1: of you know, balancing yourself so that you are able
Speaker 1: to see things in a different light, right, so you're
Speaker 1: able to control your your mind and your body and
Speaker 1: your emotions so that you become a more complete person,
Speaker 1: so you better understand yourself, you know, know thyself, and
Speaker 1: that you know the wisdom is represented by the light,
Speaker 1: you know, seeking the light. And then it's again, these
Speaker 1: are the metaphors that are used in the occult. They're
Speaker 1: they're breaking down the metaphor in a scientific way here.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, that's what was so mind blowing about this to.
Speaker 1: Me, right, And one thing I wanted to read here.
Speaker 1: It says that that as they were doing an assessment
Speaker 1: of the system, they felt that it was necessary, after
Speaker 1: having complete analysis, to point out that the resulting conclusions
Speaker 1: do not do any violence to fundamental mainstream or either
Speaker 1: Western or Eastern belief systems. So they when they were
Speaker 1: researching the Gateway experience, the CIA and other groups they
Speaker 1: were they were not there. They were trying to investigate
Speaker 1: different religions, different belief systems and pool things from each
Speaker 1: one so that it could help them better understand from
Speaker 1: a scientific standpoint, because a lot of messages are sort
Speaker 1: of all the same between religions, they just have a
Speaker 1: different way of saying it. You know. They really got
Speaker 1: into like the hypnosis part of the Gateway experience. They
Speaker 1: want to understand. The CIA wanted to understand what hypnosis,
Speaker 1: how it played a role in the Hemi sync. And
Speaker 1: so they have a whole outline here and maybe we
Speaker 1: could put a picture of it up for our viewers.
Speaker 1: But the Cia has got it's a cross section of
Speaker 1: the brain, and it breaks down how the motor and
Speaker 1: sensory cortex are connected with the lateral ventricles. And they
Speaker 1: talk about how when the hemi synk occurs, like you
Speaker 1: were talking about with the heart again, another symbol is
Speaker 1: so important to be a cult the heart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I totally for sure have thought that it's
Speaker 2: always been in a cult symbol, but even after reading
Speaker 2: this stuff, I find it even more.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean absolutely, because this document says that
Speaker 1: under the right conditions that certain ventricles of the brain
Speaker 1: and the heart, when exposed to certain tones, will begin
Speaker 1: to syncopate with each other and come into unison. And
Speaker 1: that literally like a certain I think a unit with
Speaker 1: the what you saw the lamit opens up and then
Speaker 1: able to flow into different ventricles that would not normally
Speaker 1: be used. Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, that's why I think that starts getting into the hole,
Speaker 2: crossing the veil and occultism. Yeah yeah, And then I
Speaker 2: mean you mean this even if when you start getting
Speaker 2: into I don't know how how how real and Nokia
Speaker 2: magic may have been, but I mean I have seen
Speaker 2: other forms of magic where it's almost like you know, now,
Speaker 2: you have, you know, when you start doing certain things
Speaker 2: as all these specific kind of pinpointed areas to go
Speaker 2: to do, which I start start to wonder, is that,
Speaker 2: uh are you really just talking about parts of the
Speaker 2: brain to to uh contact for this type of experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and.
Speaker 2: Just different chambers of the right hand side of the.
Speaker 1: Brain, right, And I mean, and if we were to
Speaker 1: go into they address all all the different effects of
Speaker 1: the you know that hypnosis and the different quadrants of
Speaker 1: the brain. And but if we were to cover all that,
Speaker 1: we would be here for hours. But I we will
Speaker 1: definitely uh leave a link for this document in the description.
Speaker 1: I mean, this document is it's incredible. And he even
Speaker 1: talks about how you know, how the right hand side
Speaker 1: of the brain and the right or the left hand
Speaker 1: side of the brain and the eyes and the way
Speaker 1: that you perceive a light and patterns and just you know,
Speaker 1: position of the the corete x and like cerebral positioning,
Speaker 1: and I mean they get.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. What I got out of it too,
Speaker 2: is the whole point of the HEMI sync is getting
Speaker 2: your whole body's vibrational to basically lower so then to
Speaker 2: match the Earth's vibration.
Speaker 1: Right right, there's even parts of this stuff that's supposed.
Speaker 2: To the vibrational thing that like in your brain is
Speaker 2: even supposed to change how loud your heartbeat what is
Speaker 2: going to be also because then that's sound vibrating through
Speaker 2: your body, like this actually is meant to even change
Speaker 2: that for the lower part of your body for you
Speaker 2: to come in tune with the is it seven and
Speaker 2: seven seven to seven point five hurts to resonate with
Speaker 2: the Earth's vibration.
Speaker 1: And there we had seven seven is in the occult
Speaker 1: very holy number. You know, it's considered a very special number,
Speaker 1: and you have to wonder them. The reason why the
Speaker 1: seven was so prevalent in the occult is is because
Speaker 1: of this hidden meaning. You know, A says here that
Speaker 1: in so in this technique. In so they're talking about
Speaker 1: transcendental meditation, and they're talking about how transcendental meditation is
Speaker 1: sort of like an early way of or more like
Speaker 1: like you said, you know these zen masters who study
Speaker 1: their whole life, and still they don't get some of
Speaker 1: them don't even get that far, no matter how hard
Speaker 1: that they try. But yet in just a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes they're able to achieve this and it says here
Speaker 1: that the reason why is because there seems to be
Speaker 1: a creation of acoustical standing waves in the cerebral ventricles,
Speaker 1: which are then conducted to the gray matter in the
Speaker 1: cortex of the right side of the brain. As a result,
Speaker 1: these waves will stimulate and eventually polarize the cortex in
Speaker 1: such a way that it will tend to conduct a
Speaker 1: single a signal along the humunculous So, you know, they
Speaker 1: explain here sort of how the vibration and the different
Speaker 1: tones and frequencies will begin to sink the brain. So
Speaker 1: they're giving a scientific analysis to hemisync. And then they
Speaker 1: go ahead and they switch topics a little bit, because
Speaker 1: what they begin to talk about of why the hemisink
Speaker 1: is so important is because that once So I'll go
Speaker 1: ahead and read for everybody just a list two bullet
Speaker 1: points that they have here, and then we'll go ahead
Speaker 1: and I'll finish up this episode and we'll save the
Speaker 1: next four for next week. But this will give you
Speaker 1: a good idea as to sort of where all this
Speaker 1: goes in the future. So they say that in addition
Speaker 1: to being so, they explain as being as you are
Speaker 1: steadily exposed to higher levels of frequency and amplitude that
Speaker 1: you actually begin to syncopate with the Earth's electromagnetic sphere,
Speaker 1: is what they say. And they say the human body
Speaker 1: creates a surprisingly powerful carrier wave to assist the mind
Speaker 1: in the communication activity with other human bind human minds
Speaker 1: similarly tuned. Before our explanation can proceed any further, it
Speaker 1: is essential to define the mechanism by which the human
Speaker 1: mind exercises the function known as consciousness, to describe the
Speaker 1: way in which that consciousness sort of deuces or translates
Speaker 1: the stimuli that it receives. So it says the first
Speaker 1: point which needs to be made is that two terms
Speaker 1: matter and energy tend to be misleading if taken to
Speaker 1: indicate two different states of existence in the material world
Speaker 1: as we know it. You know, they're talking about matter itself,
Speaker 1: and says that indeed, if the term matter is taken
Speaker 1: to mean a solid substance, as opposed to energy, which
Speaker 1: is understood to me in a force of some sort,
Speaker 1: then the use of the former is entirely misleading. Science
Speaker 1: now knows that both electrons which spin in the energy
Speaker 1: field located around the nucleus of the atom, and the
Speaker 1: nucleus itself are made of nothing more than oscillating energy grids.
Speaker 1: Solid matter in the strict construction of the atom simply
Speaker 1: does not exist. Solid matter in the strict construction of
Speaker 1: the term simply does not exist. Rather, atomic structure is
Speaker 1: composed of oscillating energy fields. Talks about how these different fields.
Speaker 1: You know, it gives you an entire breakdown of the
Speaker 1: different fields, ten to the twenty two herds, ten to
Speaker 1: fifteen herts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I was gonna say, Even the whole thing
Speaker 2: behind magic is really manipulating energy. Right, If they're saying
Speaker 2: that everything is just basically vibrational energy and there really
Speaker 2: is nothing that's actually solid, well, I mean, there you go.
Speaker 2: That's the whole thing about magic then, right, is being
Speaker 2: able to control all.
Speaker 1: That yep, and frequency and you know, dimensional physics. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're really getting deep into it now, we're deep down
Speaker 1: the shitter. But like I mean, this is this is
Speaker 1: what the occult would translate into. You know, we are
Speaker 1: living on this vibrationable plane, the third dimension, but it
Speaker 1: is possible to go to a higher dimension, the fourth dimension.
Speaker 1: And you know, so one and someone and that is
Speaker 1: what's illustrated in the Tree of Life.
Speaker 2: This is basically a scientific explanation of this stuff, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, Yeah, the whole, the whole thing behind the
Speaker 2: mystery of mysteries if you know how to read you know,
Speaker 2: the cabala right, or have had experiences to be able
Speaker 2: to translate into it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they even say that you're the patterns of
Speaker 1: the way that you think affect me as a whole.
Speaker 1: I mean, the energy grids interact, and you know that
Speaker 1: is why you have so much intention in the occult,
Speaker 1: you know, ritualism in the occult.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're I think that's as a lot, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot to do with, you know, just telling beginners
Speaker 2: to start with meditations basically like how we soar in
Speaker 2: the beginning, I mean, just to get to resonate with
Speaker 2: the Earth's vibrational field, you would have to you know,
Speaker 2: be pretty pretty good with meditation already, right, And that's
Speaker 2: like the first thing that anybody who knows anything about
Speaker 2: magic or actually practices it or has like a good
Speaker 2: system going, they will all tell you, as boring as
Speaker 2: this is going to sound, spend your first few months
Speaker 2: just learning how to meditate before you do anything else,
Speaker 2: because that's how important it really is in magic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that in the intention or even be able to
Speaker 1: being able to clear the mind totally. And you know,
Speaker 1: for a magician, I mean, so much of our magic
Speaker 1: is revolves around intention, intention, intention, intension, And it really
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what type of magic you're doing. The intention,
Speaker 1: the will is the important part, you.
Speaker 2: Know, in clearing your mind completely. Like that's kind of
Speaker 2: like more in my opinion, more of like actual like
Speaker 2: like really gangster type of meditation. Yeah, but and not
Speaker 2: just focusing on the same type of thought most people
Speaker 2: may not realize as a form of meditation or focusing
Speaker 2: on a specific shape in your head or a specific color,
Speaker 2: you know, So you don't even have to be all
Speaker 2: that great of like some experience you know, advanced meditation
Speaker 2: type person. You just have to be able to at
Speaker 2: least hold a thought of something. It doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be nothing, it'd be something which is a lot easier
Speaker 2: than nothing. And that will even make breakthroughs for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, And I mean this document right here, what's
Speaker 1: so funny about this is is that it's saying that
Speaker 1: my thoughts affect you, and your thoughts affect me, and
Speaker 1: our thoughts affect everyone else, and that doesn't that now
Speaker 1: explain why the world is in the state that it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, the people who know this information, they're using
Speaker 1: it to achieve goals because look at the way that
Speaker 1: the world is, you know, our world is being pointed
Speaker 1: in our futures and like a certain path now because
Speaker 1: of the thought patterns of people.
Speaker 2: They obviously know what they're doing and how to do
Speaker 2: it just reading.
Speaker 1: And probably how to influence the masses to get certain
Speaker 1: thought patterns. So you know, so many thought patterns going
Speaker 1: that it determines what path the future kind of goes down,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that you know, that's just sort of the
Speaker 1: first couple pages of the Gateway Experience, the analysis by
Speaker 1: the CIA, And next week we will pick it back
Speaker 1: up and to give you a sort of a little
Speaker 1: you know, sneak into where this document goes. The next
Speaker 1: subject that this document covers is called the consciousness matrix. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that was pretty good, man, some pretty interesting
Speaker 2: shit for sure, I guess. So people will wrap that
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Speaker 1: And if any yeah, like if anybody has done research
Speaker 1: on this specifically this document too, definitely reach out to us,
Speaker 1: because I mean, they're they're talking about really heavy stuff here,
Speaker 1: and we don't want it to We don't try and
Speaker 1: make it seem scientific or boring or like to you know,
Speaker 1: like that nerdy. But I mean, this is the way
Speaker 1: that the CIA is describing this stuff, so it sort
Speaker 1: of gives us a more scientific approach to understanding the occult.
Speaker 1: So anybody out there knows, maybe it's like an expert
Speaker 1: in any of those fields, reach out to us.
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely please, And that wraps it up right there,
Speaker 2: I guess, until the next one.