Speaker 1: Welcome to the two seventeen Recovery Broadcast.
Speaker 2: If you don't make mistakes, you won't learn.
Speaker 1: With your host Corey Winfield, you.
Speaker 3: Know how you know fish as bad as you can't
Speaker 3: put it on pizza.
Speaker 1: And special guest Justin Burke.
Speaker 2: I said something about that to our master radio broadcaster
Speaker 2: and he said that he didn't hear nothing got your ass.
Speaker 3: It is Friday, January tenth, twenty twenty five. My name's
Speaker 3: Corey Winfield and I'm Justin Burke. Welcome the two seventeen
Speaker 3: Recovery Podcast. Justin Burke. Very special day for you yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was is your five years continued? Sobriety?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 3: How that feel?
Speaker 2: It felt amazing? Actually five years five years. I never
Speaker 2: thought I would achieve the things I did in five years.
Speaker 2: Like when they talk about the promises and stuff, you
Speaker 2: know how things take time, and just trust the process,
Speaker 2: and like really trust the process. And even though it's
Speaker 2: going to take some time, be okay with that because
Speaker 2: evidently there's somewhere else in your life that needs improving
Speaker 2: before the thing that you want to happen happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah them stack Guy used to be a huge stack
Speaker 3: guy and I'm so dumb. I would look up treatment
Speaker 3: centers based on their success rate and I will call
Speaker 3: them and be like, what's your success rate? And because
Speaker 3: I wanted to know that, and they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 3: seventy eight percent. If you ever call a place and
Speaker 3: you ask them that and they give you a number,
Speaker 3: hang up, Yeah, don't go to that place because they're
Speaker 3: straight uplying to you because they don't know. They don't
Speaker 3: call back, like they can tell you how many people
Speaker 3: successfully complete treatment. But that's not what I was wanting
Speaker 3: to know. I wanted to know was I was I
Speaker 3: going to be healed? Were they gonna fix me?
Speaker 2: And I think that's where they get their success rate from,
Speaker 2: is how many people actually complete their program from the
Speaker 2: people that don't.
Speaker 3: Right, which is not what I want to know. I
Speaker 3: want to know. I wants to be fixed. And I
Speaker 3: didn't realize at the time that was like early on
Speaker 3: when I was going to treatment, I have to fix myself. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like you can't go to treatment and expect
Speaker 3: them to fix you. Like, no one's going to fix you,
Speaker 3: not at all. It's all on you.
Speaker 2: It's on you being willingness to have the willingness to
Speaker 2: be guided through a process of recovery. And by guided,
Speaker 2: I mean by the peers that are around you, whether
Speaker 2: if it's your sponsor, a recovery coach, or whoever that
Speaker 2: you talk to on a daily basis. Those are the
Speaker 2: people that's trying to guide you. It could even be
Speaker 2: the people in the treatment center while you're there for
Speaker 2: the thirty sixty ninety days that are trying to show
Speaker 2: you the right direction to take. And like when I
Speaker 2: went through treatment, I found that out very quickly. Like
Speaker 2: a lot of people told me don't go to this
Speaker 2: sober living house because I wouldn't fit in, and you
Speaker 2: were like, no, you should really go there, Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: you want a good life, go there.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And Jason the Beck was one thrown out numbers
Speaker 3: and I remember he said one time, and they could
Speaker 3: be bullshit numbers or whatever. I don't know, but he
Speaker 3: was like, if you live in sober living for six
Speaker 3: months after treatment and you do what you need to
Speaker 3: do and successfully move out of sober living, you have
Speaker 3: like a seventy eight percent chance to make it to
Speaker 3: a year. And then you start throwing other numbers out,
Speaker 3: and I remember one, I want to say it was him,
Speaker 3: threw it out there. But he said, if you make
Speaker 3: it to five years, you have like a ninety or
Speaker 3: ninety five percent chance to remain sober the rest of
Speaker 3: your life. Yeah, And I was like, hell yeah, so
Speaker 3: like a five year mark. It was a big deal.
Speaker 3: And so congratulations on that job. And then we had
Speaker 3: to go to a meeting last night. Yep. He used
Speaker 3: to be Families Against Narcotics. They changed their name to
Speaker 3: Face Addiction now. Yeah, so they're still fan, but just
Speaker 3: different fan. Yeah, and we were there, the two seventeen guys.
Speaker 3: We all showed up. Martie came, Little Parker was there,
Speaker 3: Corey jes see, Mitch. I mean the whole crew pretty
Speaker 3: much missing a couple of people, but the whole crew
Speaker 3: is there to show our support for Face Addiction now
Speaker 3: in Grand Travers County, and they support us and they
Speaker 3: actually have I guess you'd call it a scholarship for
Speaker 3: one of the services we provide as a transportation. And
Speaker 3: you know how it's funded. Right now, if somebody is
Speaker 3: in the Region two, which is NMR Northern Michigan, if
Speaker 3: they have Medicaid and they go to treatment and they
Speaker 3: have that, we can hook them up with a ride.
Speaker 3: But people who live in Lansing in southwest Michigan and
Speaker 3: in other areas they can't use the services because they
Speaker 3: have a different they you know, does their medicaid and stuff.
Speaker 3: And there's also people who have insurance but don't have
Speaker 3: three four hundred bucks to get to treatment, you know,
Speaker 3: and and that sucks. But Fan stepped in and they're like, hey,
Speaker 3: you know we can, we can help out and kind
Speaker 3: of get those people where they need to go. So
Speaker 3: we're like, all right, cool. So they did I don't know,
Speaker 3: five rides they.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much out average, like five to seven rides.
Speaker 3: Yeah, since September when they started talking about, hey, we
Speaker 3: want to help out. So yeah, big props to them
Speaker 3: on that. And we wanted to shore Sport for them.
Speaker 3: And Jeff who's the president, comes to our events and
Speaker 3: he supports us. I'm like, we have to support them.
Speaker 3: You know. The last few meetings, they didn't have one
Speaker 3: in December, but I think November and October we were
Speaker 3: busy and nobody could make it.
Speaker 2: I actually went to the one in November, did you yep?
Speaker 2: Because that's when he said there was going to be
Speaker 2: board opportunities on DH that's right, And I came back
Speaker 2: to you because I took Justine because you said I
Speaker 2: actually really go to that. Yeah, I actually had the time.
Speaker 2: I said, well, if you don't mind me cutting not
Speaker 2: a few minutes to work early to be able to
Speaker 2: go get my daughter and take her to it, because
Speaker 2: she enjoys hanging around Jeff and and the rest of
Speaker 2: the board members there, like she's actually become part of
Speaker 2: who I am up here, and everybody knows. They're like, well,
Speaker 2: where's your daughter at? Yeah, you know, and it's it's
Speaker 2: kind of a great feeling to actually have that. But
Speaker 2: he said there was open board seats in November, and
Speaker 2: I came back past you. I was like, would you
Speaker 2: support me if I did that? You know, because sometimes
Speaker 2: they do their own things, you know, and on the weekends,
Speaker 2: it means I would be doing stuff for them, and
Speaker 2: if that was okay, you know, And you're like, no,
Speaker 2: I totally support that, and I fill up my applicate,
Speaker 2: finished filling it out what yesterday I had. I asked
Speaker 2: Mitch for a little bit of help. I was like,
Speaker 2: don't worry about hurting my feelings, just tell me the
Speaker 2: truth because I'm not really good at really deciding, like
Speaker 2: skills for myself, if that makes any sense, And like
Speaker 2: sometimes I'm a little too blunt, and so I'm like, well, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't think this one would work. And he's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: he was like, you're you're not the best at that
Speaker 2: justin He's like, you know what you're talking about, but
Speaker 2: you don't articulate good enough to be able to do
Speaker 2: that obviously. So thanks Mitch.
Speaker 3: Having fun with the board. Yeah, and Mitch's on the
Speaker 3: board as well for fan and I suggested he do
Speaker 3: that like last year and stuff because he wanted to
Speaker 3: be more involved in the community and the recovery community
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And it's like it's a good
Speaker 3: way to be involved, you know, is to get out
Speaker 3: and do things. You just come to work and go home,
Speaker 3: Like sure, you accomplish some things, and but to be
Speaker 3: a real part of it, you know, and kind of
Speaker 3: step into a different role. And I think it's it's
Speaker 3: kind of big that we do kind of stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But you get accepted onto the board, yep. And then
Speaker 3: then then oh, they say, does anybody want to be Uh,
Speaker 3: we have some open seats in our you know, executive
Speaker 3: board member positions and we're looking for vice president we're
Speaker 3: looking for treasure secretary.
Speaker 2: Well, secretary was already off the table for me, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not good at typing. I mean I
Speaker 2: can type, but it's like chicken peck. I never learned
Speaker 2: how to type in school. I may have allegedly paid
Speaker 2: someone else to do all my typing lessons the past
Speaker 2: typing class.
Speaker 3: So you're just like, I'll just go for a vice president.
Speaker 2: Well, treasure, I mean I could handle numbers.
Speaker 3: You know, like SCEL a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well right, I do know a little bit
Speaker 2: from doing our invoices here and stuff and how we
Speaker 2: record our data. We're how we've talked about recording our
Speaker 2: data and everything else. So I'm pretty fluent in that stuff.
Speaker 2: So treasure wouldn't have been too bad. But vice president
Speaker 2: why not?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Why not the least responsibility role, and you're the vice president,
Speaker 2: it's like being the vice president of the United States.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god. And then Corey Smoker,
Speaker 3: our very own Corey Smoker, She's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: I just get my board application to you then too,
Speaker 3: because I'll be secretary. So then she steps in the secretary. Yeah,
Speaker 3: It's like wow, like we're two seventeen recoveries taking this
Speaker 3: over and I jokingly said, then, I'm like, they're not
Speaker 3: on our boards, but they're on this board. That's great,
Speaker 3: you know, but we'll see. I hopefully you guys aren't
Speaker 3: biting off more than you can chew. And like you said,
Speaker 3: what does the vice president do that?
Speaker 2: Filling for Jeff when he's not there right, which he
Speaker 2: told me in April he won't be there. Which I'm
Speaker 2: kind of nervous about that because, like I mean, I've
Speaker 2: gone to a few fan meetings over the years, but
Speaker 2: to actually have to step in and fill that role,
Speaker 2: I'm actually kind of nervous.
Speaker 3: How mad would you be if there's a fan meeting
Speaker 3: the night that we go to the Tigers game and
Speaker 3: Jeff's there and you're not sorry to the Tigers game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I think we would invite.
Speaker 3: Them to cancel the meeting that night.
Speaker 2: Well, if it's just a board meeting, just a board meeting,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure we could rearrange that a little bit.
Speaker 2: Say sorry, two seventeens invited us all out to the
Speaker 2: Tigers game with them. You know, do you guys mind
Speaker 2: postponing in the game the meeting for a week. You know,
Speaker 2: let's go have some fun and recovery.
Speaker 3: Lots of fun and recovery.
Speaker 2: We had because we took Jeff last year to the
Speaker 2: Tigers game, right, So I mean that's nothing new that
Speaker 2: we don't. I mean that we do play well with
Speaker 2: others and in our community and everything else.
Speaker 3: With inviting them, do you believe they're still together? Who
Speaker 3: all the ship they've been through? Fan where the Tigers
Speaker 3: not your butt cheeks? I was waiting this whole podcast
Speaker 3: to do that joke that's triggered. Nah, But yeah, congrats
Speaker 3: on the five years and you know, on the role
Speaker 3: of being vice president and you know you're continuing journey
Speaker 3: in recovery and then the recovery community around here. It
Speaker 3: means a lot to be involved, man, and to have
Speaker 3: those responsibilities. And you might look at it like, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, there's not a lot to do, but there
Speaker 3: are some responsibilities. You know, like you said, you're already
Speaker 3: kind of nervous about it, but it'll all work out
Speaker 3: how it's supposed to. But to just sit back and go,
Speaker 3: I wish I would have been on the board. I
Speaker 3: wish I would have done this. I wish I would
Speaker 3: have done that. You know, like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: things I don't have to say because I just went
Speaker 3: out and did it. You know, I was on a
Speaker 3: fans board for a minute and it was a little
Speaker 3: too much for me. I had to step down. I
Speaker 3: was he and Rights Commissioner here in Traverse City for
Speaker 3: a while. Then Parker's birth. I was like, I really
Speaker 3: don't have time for this, and we're trying to expand
Speaker 3: and do different things at two seventeen Recovery, it is
Speaker 3: like I can't do it. Like I got on the
Speaker 3: MARCO board, which MARCO is the Michigan Association Recovery Community Organizations,
Speaker 3: And I don't know how much long' I gonna stand that.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm so busy trying to do this thing
Speaker 3: and do this and we really don't have a lot
Speaker 3: of time for tom foolery too, you know.
Speaker 2: And you have and you hold a lot of meetings
Speaker 2: just for what we do here and what we're trying
Speaker 2: to do in the future. And so like when someone says, oh,
Speaker 2: well we got a MARCO meeting, where a qRT meeting
Speaker 2: or whatever, You're like, man, can I just skip says today?
Speaker 2: Like I got it's more important to it.
Speaker 3: I know, and there's a lot of times where, you know,
Speaker 3: I would skip those meetings, and I thought to myself, like,
Speaker 3: how do these people have time to go to this
Speaker 3: so many meetings? Like they stink that in radio, you know,
Speaker 3: they would have meetings in Ben Harbor anyway. They would
Speaker 3: have meetings just to have meetings. They have a meeting
Speaker 3: of they had One time, I had a meeting about
Speaker 3: a meeting that was up, and I said, You've got
Speaker 3: to be shitting me, Like I have a radio station
Speaker 3: to run, I have stuff to do, and you guys
Speaker 3: are having a meeting about the upcoming meeting. That is stupid,
Speaker 3: like nothing's gonna have wasn't like an important like oh
Speaker 3: we got it. No, it was just they had nothing
Speaker 3: else to do in their job, and so they like
Speaker 3: to have meetings. It makes them feel good. But I'm
Speaker 3: not a big fan of that, Like I'll have a
Speaker 3: meeting when I need one, right. But and I'm not
Speaker 3: talking about AA meetings or recovering me. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: just like a meeting, a business meeting, you know, but
Speaker 3: some of these are just like oh my god.
Speaker 2: Well, honestly, if you're actually running things right, I mean,
Speaker 2: as the executive director I mean, like you have a
Speaker 2: lot on your plate with just day to day operations,
Speaker 2: looking for new grants and everything else, Like these grants
Speaker 2: just don't land in your lap.
Speaker 3: Sometimes. Not just kidding, no, but yeah, but you're right,
Speaker 3: and you know, like I said, the things that we
Speaker 3: want to do, and I know Marnie's a big part
Speaker 3: of that too, and she's picking up the slack and
Speaker 3: that aspect of like it's spinning off a totally different direction,
Speaker 3: which I think would be great for us. I personally
Speaker 3: can't invest much time in that project because we have
Speaker 3: to do what we're doing now because we do have funding,
Speaker 3: and we do have things that we have to accomplish
Speaker 3: with these grants that we have now. So it's like
Speaker 3: we got to take care of business here. But doesn't
Speaker 3: mean we can't expand and do other things. It's just
Speaker 3: I can't be that much invested in that project, you know,
Speaker 3: like in the end that I can just look at
Speaker 3: some things. Okay, maybe this may bee that, but you know,
Speaker 3: if you guys want to make it happen, you know,
Speaker 3: this is this is your baby, And I told her,
Speaker 3: this is your baby. You you can go figure that
Speaker 3: one out and.
Speaker 2: I'll help you with it, but just bring me like
Speaker 2: abrough draft of the project.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, I've been praying yeah, you know, that's
Speaker 3: a huge part of it right there. And some people
Speaker 3: are like, I don't believe it that. Oh that's cool,
Speaker 3: don't I do? And God has set with me and
Speaker 3: he will come to me in dreams. You know. He
Speaker 3: doesn't come down and be like, hey, do this, but
Speaker 3: I'll just have a dream, a weird dream, and I'll
Speaker 3: be like, why didn't I think about that? You know?
Speaker 3: And then I'm like, damn, there was a grant that
Speaker 3: came out that said those exact words, and let me
Speaker 3: go back and see it. I'm like, yep, we could
Speaker 3: have funded that with that dang. But when I saw it,
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about it because it wasn't on
Speaker 3: my mind. It wasn't on my radar. And that's why
Speaker 3: I'm saying, like God like talks to me, because he
Speaker 3: puts it in my head and it's like boom, like
Speaker 3: do this yeah, and they're like damn.
Speaker 2: And that's actually been well known through a lot of
Speaker 2: different cultures that the creator, God, whatever your pathway is,
Speaker 2: will come to you in dreams, and things like that
Speaker 2: were just maybe by hearing a clip on a radio
Speaker 2: station or something, you know, like ding light bob oh,
Speaker 2: he was definitely talking. That was there for that exact
Speaker 2: time for me to listen to it, because that was
Speaker 2: talking to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I do my praying and then as I'm
Speaker 3: praying about it, and then all of a sudden, people
Speaker 3: start reaching out like, hey, how come that this doesn't
Speaker 3: exist and how would we do that? I'm like, that's
Speaker 3: what we're working on. You want to be a part
Speaker 3: of it because we can definitely use the support. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, if you guys are saying, hey, we need
Speaker 3: this and let's talk, let's chat, you know, because we're
Speaker 3: already kind of going down that road. Yep. So it'll
Speaker 3: be interesting. But yeah, it does take up time though,
Speaker 3: and when you're involved in other things. But it's a
Speaker 3: good thing because at least you won't ever look back
Speaker 3: and go Man, I wish I would have been on
Speaker 3: the fan board. I wish I would have just went
Speaker 3: for it. I wish I would have done it to
Speaker 3: gain more experience and you know, to meet more people
Speaker 3: and to be more involved. And you can sit on
Speaker 3: the sideline all day, but sometimes you got to get
Speaker 3: in the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know a few of the four board
Speaker 2: members were fans from a previous organization I worked at.
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's not horrible.
Speaker 3: Right, And our phone is ringing?
Speaker 2: Yeah I heard that when obviously phones start ringing in
Speaker 2: your office.
Speaker 3: When people don't answer it at the front desk.
Speaker 2: I thought that thing was on silent.
Speaker 3: No, oh you changed it. Yeah, someone changed it. It
Speaker 3: rings and irritates this what we're doing podcasts now, it
Speaker 3: doesn't irritate us, but it does irritate us when it's
Speaker 3: the people calling that the wrong numbers are not the
Speaker 3: wrong numbers, but they have a right number. But just
Speaker 3: that person hasn't lived here in five years? Is chain?
Speaker 3: There is merry there. Yeah, that gets old and we're like, no,
Speaker 3: please don't call back, and then they cuss us out.
Speaker 3: We're like, I just said not to call back. Man.
Speaker 2: We both experienced that, Yeah, in the same day. Take
Speaker 2: us off your list.
Speaker 3: No, Mary doesn't live here, right, And sometimes we get
Speaker 3: animated with it. Sometimes it is fun, though, but a
Speaker 3: lot of times it's more irritating because you'll be on
Speaker 3: the other side of the building and then phone ring
Speaker 3: in and you got to go find it, and you
Speaker 3: get it and they're like hello, it's marry there like
Speaker 3: no nop click and then say bye, no hang up
Speaker 3: on you. I'm like, okay, cool, So I shouldn't feel
Speaker 3: bad hanging up on them next time, not one bit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, today though, is a Friday in Michigan. It's
Speaker 3: it's a little little cold. I mean it's January, that's
Speaker 3: what happens.
Speaker 4: But out in California, man, man, they are burning up, dude,
Speaker 4: are they? Yeah, the whole LA region are they? It's
Speaker 4: on fire?
Speaker 3: Are they? Are we getting fake news?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's fake news. I do think. I
Speaker 2: do think there has to do with something with the
Speaker 2: president to be elected telling them four or five years
Speaker 2: ago that hey, you really need to fix this before
Speaker 2: something devastating happens, and no one bothered to fix it.
Speaker 2: They were giving monies to build reservoirs, and reservoirs were
Speaker 2: never built in these areas, and just so happen to be,
Speaker 2: these strong winds come in, like hurricane force winds they
Speaker 2: call him, like the Sierra winds or something, and someone
Speaker 2: decided they were gonna go light some fires where maybe
Speaker 2: televopole broke and sparked a fire.
Speaker 3: I heard it started in someone's backyard garden.
Speaker 2: I'm really not for sure. The one fire, the newest fire.
Speaker 2: They did catch someone leaving the area where the fire
Speaker 2: was started. Now, is he just the fall guy?
Speaker 3: I don't know, he's the patsy. Yeah, because my brother
Speaker 3: who lives out there, because I was like, bro, like
Speaker 3: what's going on? He lives in West Hollywood. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: why are you starting fires in your back garden? And
Speaker 3: he said it wasn't him, And he took a picture
Speaker 3: and sent it to us and you could see some
Speaker 3: some kind of burning or whatever. And I was like,
Speaker 3: so are you going to evacuate? And he's like now,
Speaker 3: I was like, this is not that bad? Is the news?
Speaker 3: Are they exaggerating it? He's like both. He's like some
Speaker 3: under exaggerated, others over exaggerate it, you know. And I
Speaker 3: think the national ones are over exaggerating it. But some
Speaker 3: of the videos coming in are crazy. Man, Like I
Speaker 3: saw this one dude. He had like this sprinkler system
Speaker 3: or what, I don't even know what it's called, but
Speaker 3: it's set up to like just kind of it just
Speaker 3: kind of just seeps out water all over his house.
Speaker 3: And he's in there with his kid or whoever it was,
Speaker 3: and their dog and they're just watching the fire like
Speaker 3: we'd be watching the snow fire. I mean it looked crazy.
Speaker 2: I did see that video. Actually, I'm like, how did
Speaker 2: someone take that video?
Speaker 3: Like? How would they stop? Be out?
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't trust that little sprinkler system or whatever he had,
Speaker 3: you know, on his house. And my brother was telling
Speaker 3: me that that's that's kind of a common thing out there,
Speaker 3: and a lot more common than you'd think. And I
Speaker 3: don't think he has it in his house, but he
Speaker 3: knows somebody who does. And he's like, yeah, they're fine,
Speaker 3: and like everybody else's house burned, not with theirs.
Speaker 2: And then I heard California defunded the fire department in
Speaker 2: LA like traumatically.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know about that. I know
Speaker 3: that they like the little fire hydrants that they have,
Speaker 3: like you were talking about the water system, like it's
Speaker 3: only enough like a house, yeah house, not the whole block, right,
Speaker 3: Like they didn't they don't have it like that.
Speaker 2: It's not like Michigan, you know. I mean it's really not.
Speaker 3: But you think though, because a lot of those homes,
Speaker 3: they won't And I guess six months ago they went
Speaker 3: ahead and stopped doing fire wildfire insurance in LA, like
Speaker 3: they wouldn't even offer it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because well, and that's then everything that really strikes
Speaker 2: me funny is okay, All State State Farm where the
Speaker 2: two major ones that pulled out because they're like, well,
Speaker 2: if we were to charge them wildfire insurance, that would
Speaker 2: be like through the roof California limits how much you're
Speaker 2: allowed to charge for insurance has like a premium. They're like, well,
Speaker 2: it doesn't fit our budget at that rate, so we
Speaker 2: can't offer it. And I do know years ago they
Speaker 2: were talking about how much shrub and just stuff needed
Speaker 2: to be cleaned up, you know in certain areas in
Speaker 2: cases did ever happen, and here we are it happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But they think, though, though, with the money that you'd
Speaker 3: save on that not having to get that insurance, you
Speaker 3: would just buy a sprinkler system and put it in
Speaker 3: your house or roof for what those other people did,
Speaker 3: because okay, that costs ten grand to do it, all right,
Speaker 3: I think the money you're saving that you don't have
Speaker 3: to pay insurance, you know, and at least fire insurance.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if I have fire insurance.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I'm kind of curious how these people still
Speaker 2: had water to protect their home when all the hydrants
Speaker 2: were empty.
Speaker 3: I think that comes from a whole different water system.
Speaker 3: Like if you turn on your tap water, it's not
Speaker 3: going to be the the fire. You're not taken from
Speaker 3: the fire hydrant.
Speaker 2: No, not typically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe they haven't hooked into their water. They
Speaker 3: have the highest water bill probably, but at least they
Speaker 3: have a house. You can work with the water department.
Speaker 2: Right And for anyone listening, we're not being insensitible to anybody.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Really, do go out to the people that live in
Speaker 2: LA and who have lost their homes because they said
Speaker 2: two days ago the damage exceeded over fifty billion dollars. Wow,
Speaker 2: And today I think that numbers probably at least doubled,
Speaker 2: if not tripled. I mean there's Malibu beach homes gone.
Speaker 3: Damn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's devastating out there right now. It's it's
Speaker 2: just as devastating as the hurricanes that hit the hurricane
Speaker 2: that hit Tennessee and North Carolina. D you know, just
Speaker 2: a different natural disaster. One was water, one was fire.
Speaker 2: You know, and it's it's devastating.
Speaker 3: And I was going to play a clip on the podcast.
Speaker 3: It's about this news reporter that was doing a news
Speaker 3: report about, Hey, the fire is happening and we're out here,
Speaker 3: and this guy just nonsintly walks up and he's like, hey,
Speaker 3: what's going on and she's like, well, nothing, the fire
Speaker 3: and he's like, yeah, there's fires, huh. And she's like yeah,
Speaker 3: there are and he's like that's wild or something. And
Speaker 3: then she's he asked how they started and she's like, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know they started. And then
Speaker 3: he blames a certain group of people for the fire starting,
Speaker 3: and the other news guy said it was very inappropriate. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and they kind of moved on, but it was it
Speaker 3: was way better. Remember that was going around back in
Speaker 3: the day when people would jump on and say blank
Speaker 3: her right in the blank. Yeah, that was like kind
Speaker 3: of a national thing, like it was for a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the one dude started it and then other people just
Speaker 3: continued it, you know, and like you're right in the blank, right,
Speaker 3: And so at least it's moved on from that, I guess.
Speaker 3: But who he blames for the fire, I don't think
Speaker 3: is it.
Speaker 2: No, not not at all.
Speaker 3: That's wild speculation, very wild. It's still kind of funny
Speaker 3: to say it, though.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even guess that spectrum of people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't either.
Speaker 2: You know, not from what they portray at all, because
Speaker 2: that's just not them.
Speaker 3: Maybe, But for that being the reason, it's just stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it was funny and you you said, no, we
Speaker 3: should not play that. We're not going to play you
Speaker 3: the audio. But if you just google search, you know,
Speaker 3: man on the news in La blames fires on people,
Speaker 3: you'll you'll find it. It's it's all over the internet,
Speaker 3: so you can't find it if you want to seek
Speaker 3: that out. But yeah, we're going to go ahead and
Speaker 3: not play that audio just because, yeah, obviously it's inappropriate.
Speaker 2: Maybe fifteen fifteen years ago we could have got away
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: Automated song out of it, oh, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: But in today's day and age, no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it would hurt some people's feelings maybe, but you know, well,
Speaker 3: my brother living out there though, he does say that,
Speaker 3: you know, some some of it seems a little overkill
Speaker 3: and the others and the others are just kind of
Speaker 3: like way under killing. Yeah, but the damage is happening,
Speaker 3: and yeah, that would suck, man, And I told him
Speaker 3: I just have snow to deal with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the part that really sucks is like the
Speaker 2: whole palaes Tin if I believe I'm saying that part
Speaker 2: of La right, that's just gone. And I think that's
Speaker 2: where the first fire started. And that's just that whole
Speaker 2: community is gone. And I wouldn't say they're necessarily like
Speaker 2: overly rich, but people that have done well for themselves
Speaker 2: live there. It's it's a family area, if that makes
Speaker 2: any sense. You know, it'd be like kind of living
Speaker 2: like where you live at. You know, it's not crazy
Speaker 2: expensive to live there, but it's not the cheapest place
Speaker 2: to live neither.
Speaker 3: You know, call my mansion petty.
Speaker 2: I didn't call it petty. I didn't call it petty.
Speaker 2: I said, you weren't in the hood. But but but
Speaker 2: you're definitely not in the gated community in the hills.
Speaker 2: You are in the hills.
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the Holiday Hills, not the Hollywood Hills. But
Speaker 3: that's all right.
Speaker 2: But but but that's what I'm saying that that's where
Speaker 2: I would kind of graft that one area that dead
Speaker 2: burn drastically the most devastating area would be kind of
Speaker 2: like your community where you live at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were saying that celebrities and stuff that have
Speaker 3: lost our house and stuff feel bad for them, the
Speaker 3: musicians you know fires, no joke, Yeah, like tornadoes and fires.
Speaker 3: Not a fan, No, I mean.
Speaker 2: I do eventually one year, I do want to go
Speaker 2: out to like Oklahoma during tornado season. I really do.
Speaker 3: I have nothing. There's no that's it's stupid. The most
Speaker 3: thing I think you said in the last thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: It probably is, But I don't know. Tornadoes have always
Speaker 2: fascinated me ever since I was a kid.
Speaker 3: Tornadoes don't care. They don't They don't even like fire,
Speaker 3: like fire doesn't care either. No, I've been struck by fire.
Speaker 3: I I've had a house burnt down, been struck by fire.
Speaker 2: Yep, well not like struck, but I had a house
Speaker 2: burnt down when it was two thousand nineteen, also recently
Speaker 2: kind of Yeah, lost everything I owned, damn. Yep. I
Speaker 2: actually dug through the ashes of the house fire to
Speaker 2: find my grandmother's ashes because I knew kind of where
Speaker 2: they were at.
Speaker 3: I was sitting there. You're like, I have back in there.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I can't even open the urn anymore. It's
Speaker 2: all seas together from being through a fire and stuff.
Speaker 2: But I actually because I had a dresser set up
Speaker 2: like a long dresser, and where I was staying at
Speaker 2: we didn't have room for the night stands, so we
Speaker 2: put the night stands up on top of the dresser.
Speaker 2: It was kind of weird.
Speaker 3: I know what in the Baldwin, Michigan you have going
Speaker 3: on there, buddy?
Speaker 2: Maybe it may been a little tweakers status for a
Speaker 2: little bit, maybe a lot of it.
Speaker 3: How'd the fire start?
Speaker 2: My guess would be a faulty extension court because when
Speaker 2: I went to go unplug my girlfriend's phone from the charger,
Speaker 2: I got zapped, and I'm like, okay, whatever, because that's
Speaker 2: most likely high amth.
Speaker 3: I'll just plug that back in later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I left. I went to go take her
Speaker 2: to work, and by the time I got back home,
Speaker 2: which was her actually her mom's guest house, it was
Speaker 2: already engulfed. And I just from sitting where I was
Speaker 2: sitting at because the house was down this crazy hill
Speaker 2: in the wintertime, there was no getting a car out
Speaker 2: of there unless you had a four wheel drive. I
Speaker 2: didn't care how good at tires you had on the
Speaker 2: front wheel drive car. It wasn't climbing that hill, and
Speaker 2: so I would park on top of the hill and
Speaker 2: walk down. And well, when I parked, I just got
Speaker 2: downe putting in a woodstove like a week before that.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was the woodstole.
Speaker 2: You think that's why I thought. When I was just
Speaker 2: sitting there talking on the phone, seeing smoke, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is cool woodstoves going. House is nice and warm,
Speaker 2: and here I am for forty for like forty minutes,
Speaker 2: sitting in my car, and after I realized what was
Speaker 2: going on, I'm just like, fuck, I just watched my
Speaker 2: house burnt down and just didn't give two ships because
Speaker 2: I was high, and I just thought, was my woodstove going.
Speaker 2: Talking to somebody on the phone.
Speaker 3: This house is just some golfs and flames, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: wood stove look look looking pretty good today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was weird, man. But I did lose
Speaker 2: everything I owned, and that was the only thing that
Speaker 2: I actually found out of the fire.
Speaker 3: Did you go get your girlfriend from work like yo,
Speaker 3: or use let her finish her shift, not worry about.
Speaker 2: It Toiler's basil, stay at work we need that money
Speaker 2: go buy new ship. Now, I mean, I mean, what
Speaker 2: else do you do? You know at that point, it's
Speaker 2: not like you can come home and save anything. You
Speaker 2: don't have anything to come home to, you know. I
Speaker 2: mean I did tell her, but at the same point, well,
Speaker 2: you may as well keep working because we're going to
Speaker 2: need to figure out something to get new clothes and everything. Dude,
Speaker 2: it was rough.
Speaker 3: Hmm. Yeah. I don't wish that upon anyone. No, it's
Speaker 3: bad stuff, bad news, but at least you're safe. I
Speaker 3: guess weren't there when it happened. I mean even if though,
Speaker 3: if you were there when it happened, maybe you could
Speaker 3: have called the fire department or something, but it.
Speaker 2: Would have took the fire department twenty minutes to get there.
Speaker 2: It would have been gone anyways.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was an old sixties trailer that had an addition
Speaker 2: built onto it, almost like the full length. So and
Speaker 2: that was the guest house in Baldwin. Man. Don't don't
Speaker 2: act like you and don't ever see a trailer with
Speaker 2: an addition in Coloma.
Speaker 3: Nope, I never have.
Speaker 2: Never.
Speaker 3: No. If you go almost fancy place, that's where I
Speaker 3: grew up. That's where I was went to school.
Speaker 2: But no, well if you go a little further north,
Speaker 2: like Pullman and stuff, like, it's rather.
Speaker 3: There's nothing on Pullman. There's just meth trailers out there.
Speaker 3: That straight up told the police about it, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: people don't make their own meth anymore, they just all
Speaker 3: they just buy it from Mexico. I'm like, dude, it's
Speaker 3: not Walmart. Yes they do, they just don't bust them anymore.
Speaker 3: They don't care.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, it's crazy, but yeah, that, yeah, that
Speaker 2: happened to me. And then like I just dove deep
Speaker 2: into addiction for about a year and a half after
Speaker 2: that and ended up coming up here.
Speaker 3: So did the whole trailer burn down though, or just
Speaker 3: your little.
Speaker 2: The addition burnt down and then like the front part
Speaker 2: of the trailer burned up, like the back half was
Speaker 2: all like okay, but it was heavily smoke damaged. Like
Speaker 2: there was nothing in my daughter's room salvageable, and the
Speaker 2: fire didn't even get back there just from all the
Speaker 2: soot and smoke damage that carried to the back.
Speaker 3: That's what her mama say about it.
Speaker 2: Her mama didn't really know what to say, you.
Speaker 3: Know, my trailer gone, yep, Oh lord Jesus, there's a fire.
Speaker 2: But you know, what do you do? You pick up
Speaker 2: and you just you got to move on.
Speaker 3: With Life's where'd you go after that? I ended up.
Speaker 2: Turning one of the sheds in the property into like
Speaker 2: a living.
Speaker 3: Space back Yeah there you go, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, tweaker status all the.
Speaker 3: Way, like nothing. We've been waiting to living this shit anyway.
Speaker 2: You know, it works for We ended up getting a
Speaker 2: fifth wheel I got from a friend of mine for
Speaker 2: I don't know, like a thousand bucks, and another buddy
Speaker 2: of mine hauled it there for me. So I mean,
Speaker 2: that's as far as I know that. She still stays
Speaker 2: in that fifth wheel, and it was kind of ran
Speaker 2: down when we bought it. It was just like a
Speaker 2: temporary thing, like cheap, but it was like thirty eight
Speaker 2: foot fifth wheels.
Speaker 3: So wow. But yeah, she'd start a podcast called the
Speaker 3: Baldwin Files or something. Oh no, let's talking about how
Speaker 3: people living in Baldwin, Michigan. Let me do it.
Speaker 2: It's some subspontsorve rough, very redneck killed billy engineering.
Speaker 3: That's finest. Yeah, well cool, I'm glad you came on
Speaker 3: the podcast today and we can celebrate your five years
Speaker 3: with a little fun podcast and talk about fires in Baldwin.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you, man, and I hope you have a
Speaker 3: great weekend. And go Lions on their bye week.
Speaker 2: Go Lions.
Speaker 3: Bet you they're not going to lose this week. What
Speaker 3: do you get in the playoffs? Real quick? What like
Speaker 3: this week? It's what the Chargers versus the Texans, and
Speaker 3: you got Pittsburgh versus Baltimore, and you have the Eagles
Speaker 3: playing somebody and hang on, I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna go look it up right now, So won't you
Speaker 2: Google it on your computer? And I'm gonna look it
Speaker 2: up and then we can figure out how this is.
Speaker 3: And we'll think the Eagles are playing the Packers.
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 3: And then Minnesota and the Rams. They should change their
Speaker 3: name to the La Fires e La Fire. No. I
Speaker 3: like Minnesota to win, and it'll be interesting because if
Speaker 3: Minnesota wins, it won't be interesting because they're gonna come
Speaker 3: back and play Detroit and Detroit. But if Stafford can
Speaker 3: win and then have to come back again, would they
Speaker 3: make that the primetime game Stafford coming back to Detroit
Speaker 3: or would they still be all over homes.
Speaker 2: Probably still the late game repeat.
Speaker 3: I hope Detroit doesn't have late game because they're gonna
Speaker 3: have a watching party at the two seventeen Recovery Center.
Speaker 2: But as far as AFC goes, you know, I'd really
Speaker 2: kind of like to see the Broncos try to go somewhere.
Speaker 2: I know, they gotta play the Bills and Josh Allen's
Speaker 2: just because they're murder them. They're playing in Buffalo, so
Speaker 2: that game's kind of goes to the Bills. Who else
Speaker 2: is above them? And then you got the Ravens versus
Speaker 2: not really for sure right off him.
Speaker 3: Steelers.
Speaker 2: Yes, Steelers, Now that could be a nasty little game,
Speaker 2: depends on how Russell Wilson wants to play.
Speaker 3: And Baltimore hasn't been good in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: For a while, so no, So I mean all I
Speaker 2: honestly I'd like to see the Steelers win and then
Speaker 2: the Texans beat the Chargers. But Texans have kind of
Speaker 2: like shot themselves in the foot lately over the past
Speaker 2: five weeks, so I don't know how they even made
Speaker 2: the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprising like they made the playoff because
Speaker 3: they've been playing a crap So what about the Packers Eagles.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that one's hard. I'd like to
Speaker 2: see the Packers win, even though not Che's head. I
Speaker 2: just Eagles don't need to do nothing. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: but they rusted everybody, so they got pretty much like
Speaker 2: a bye. They did the same thing the Chiefs did
Speaker 2: pretty much all week eighteen. We're gonna rest everybody, you know.
Speaker 2: I heard some players that was their decision to sit
Speaker 2: on the bench and not break records.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I like, I don't want the Eagles to win,
Speaker 3: but I think the Eagles will beat the Packers. Yep.
Speaker 3: I think that the Texans will lose. So I got
Speaker 3: the Chargers on that one. I'm gonna take the Ravens
Speaker 3: even though they haven't really played well in the playoffs lately.
Speaker 3: And I'll take the Bills over Denver.
Speaker 2: How about Buccaneers and Commanders.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the Bucks.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, I'm gonna take the Bucks. Yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: take the Commanders.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Minutes over La.
Speaker 2: I I want to do that. I'm going to take
Speaker 2: La over Minnesota. Sam Donald had a good year, but
Speaker 2: I mean, after watching last week's game, shoot, the Rams
Speaker 2: ain't no slout this time of year, like they've been
Speaker 2: playing on fire for the past six seven weeks.
Speaker 3: And I still don't know how the Seahawks didn't get
Speaker 3: it in the playoffs. I'm so confused. The same record
Speaker 3: as the Rams, Like, I don't know whatever the deciding
Speaker 3: factor of that was. But I think with the Rams
Speaker 3: during the regular season.
Speaker 2: It came down to divisional games, and I think the.
Speaker 3: When Rams had a better divisional record. Yeah, yep, yeah,
Speaker 3: I would have liked to see Seattle in there. But whatever,
Speaker 3: we'll see. And that's our playoff picks as we wrap
Speaker 3: up the podcast, but thanks for listening, and if you
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