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How that heck? Are you buddy? 34 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,519 Speaker 5: Somebody said that, you know when they went to Odeon 35 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,359 and they said, hey, can I use my criddle fifteen code? 36 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,680 That's you would charge fifteen percent more? 37 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 38 00:01:51,439 --> 00:01:56,519 Speaker 4: Right, that's never happened. That's uh, that's that's misinformation. 39 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 3: That's that's false. That's a false. 40 00:01:59,079 --> 00:02:03,519 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm just saying, man, you know it's a he said, 41 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:05,280 she said, world. 42 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,319 Speaker 3: My friend, I guess so, yeah it is. 43 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 4: But hey, innocent until proven guilty, right, But I'll tell 44 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,400 you you always get the fifteen percent off whenever you 45 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:18,439 mentioned myself for ESPN the fan Jonathan Tabnari on the line, 46 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,680 this bling basketball team, what what stood out to you 47 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:22,919 in this? 48 00:02:23,199 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: I was saying, how did they get the dub JT. 49 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 5: So I want to stay positive and I want to 50 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,319 say that by U was the greatest thing since slice 51 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,000 bread and they were right. I mean, if you look 52 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:42,919 at AJ and the way AJ played, you know, one assist, 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,680 shy of a triple double, played. 54 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,759 Speaker 2: The whole game. Conard Davis was. 55 00:02:48,719 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 5: Incredible, Mahailo Boscovich, my gosh, his best game as a Cougar. 56 00:02:55,719 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: And uh, I think defensively BYU was good. This is 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,919 where a lot of people might disagree with me. 58 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 5: I don't think BYU was great out of this world defensively, 59 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,000 I think they were really good. I just think Iowa 60 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,319 stayed also had a bad game. Well then, JG, are 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,680 you ever going to give these guys credit? I think 62 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:17,439 that both things can be can be true at the 63 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:21,319 same time. Then I think BUYU played a phenomenal game 64 00:03:21,879 --> 00:03:24,360 and I will Stay played at one of the toughest 65 00:03:24,439 --> 00:03:26,680 environments in college basketball. 66 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: And and so. 67 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 5: I think both things, both things can be be right 68 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,199 the same way that you know things didn't work out 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:37,159 for by you for almost you know, three weeks in 70 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,360 terms of getting wins and playing well. 71 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: I will stay had a bad night, right, did they 72 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:45,240 have a bad night. 73 00:03:45,319 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 5: Because of BYU's defense? Partially? You know a lot of 74 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:53,080 it because of that. And so to me, you know, 75 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:55,879 it was a perfect night for BYU to rebound and 76 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,520 bounce back, and uh, you know. 77 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: It was a great game. And uh, you know, to me. 78 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,319 Speaker 5: Credit goes to the victors, right, this is not one 79 00:04:06,319 --> 00:04:08,560 of those things that you know, BYU won the game 80 00:04:09,159 --> 00:04:11,960 and uh, and not so much of IOWA say, just 81 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:12,639 lost that game. 82 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: They gave the game for you. 83 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 5: No, b y went and took it, right, ioways they 84 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,160 didn't play well. Definitely didn't look like the sixth the 85 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,160 sixth ranked team in the country, that's for sure. And 86 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,839 so but it was a it was a it was 87 00:04:25,879 --> 00:04:30,399 a perfect night where Mahilo stepped up and and Canard 88 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,040 stepped up and even hadem boop, you know, stepped up 89 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,079 and I and I and I think that was phenomenal 90 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:37,319 to me. 91 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,639 Speaker 2: You know, it may even sound blasphemous to say this. 92 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 5: I was happier with the performance from a high low 93 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:49,040 and hadem much more than I was impressed with AJ's performance. 94 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:51,600 And that's crazy to say because the man almost had 95 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,879 a thirty point triple double. But we know what he's 96 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,439 capable of. It had been a while since we even 97 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:01,519 saw you know, my Ilo played to that level, and 98 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,079 so to me, you know, and I and I said 99 00:05:04,079 --> 00:05:05,879 this at the end of the the post game show 100 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,240 on buy U TV and ESPN Plus, where you know, 101 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,879 Mahilo and Hadein to me were the most impressive players 102 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,800 from Buyu just because we know AJ is otherworldly already. 103 00:05:18,319 --> 00:05:22,439 Speaker 3: What Okay, I think I agree with you on like 104 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:23,120 a little bit. 105 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: Of the I I'm not yet. 106 00:05:25,639 --> 00:05:28,079 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I said. 107 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: I said something similar, not in the same not in 108 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,959 the same way, but a similar right too, to both 109 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:39,120 Ronnie and Brett. I said, Look, because they contested shots early, 110 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:43,839 I felt like when Iowa State was open, there could 111 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:45,879 have been something within mechanics where they were kind of 112 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,879 sped up and they were missing. 113 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 3: Wide open shots at times. 114 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 4: Right, But like, I do feel like they were closing 115 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,399 out early and often and bringing different energy which could 116 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:59,519 be a contributing factor to sped up mechanics or altered 117 00:05:59,519 --> 00:06:03,000 mechanics when it's not a contested or semi contested shot. 118 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: Is that an accurate depiction? 119 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: I think so. 120 00:06:06,639 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 5: You know, obviously, you know, it takes an incredible amount 121 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,439 of mental sharpness to be able to just shoot every 122 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:16,560 shot the same. And you know, if you don't see 123 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:20,240 your first ones go in, it takes a toll on you, right. 124 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,560 I mean we saw this with Richie, you know, the 125 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:25,600 games before he got hurt, where he would have open 126 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,600 looks but he just wasn't knocking them down. 127 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 2: And so it happens. It happens with everybody. 128 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 5: And so did BYU did a phenomenal job on defense? 129 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:34,519 Speaker 2: I think they did. 130 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 5: I think they did a great job on defense. But 131 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,560 you know, to your point afterwards, I always think just 132 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,439 didn't play well. This is not a takeaway the credit 133 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,319 from BYU. It's just analyzing the game in an objective way. 134 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,360 And then the other thing is also to say, this 135 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:51,759 is not a takeaway the game from a j who 136 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,439 is arguably you know, Seth Davis even mentioned, which I agree, 137 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,600 it was most likely one of the best two way 138 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,120 performance in you know, in the season, in the whole 139 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,639 college basketball season this year, which I think is a 140 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:07,560 fair thing to say. But think about what we have 141 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,439 been you know what you have been paying me the millions. 142 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,759 Speaker 2: Of dollars I get paid from ESPN de fan. 143 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 5: Think about what has been the overall message that I 144 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:20,160 have been saying for the most two months now. Has 145 00:07:20,199 --> 00:07:23,199 it been how great AJ is and he has to 146 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:28,439 do more? Or has been that Mahilo and Tyler and Alexei. 147 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: Need to do more? You get what I mean? And 148 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:32,839 so to me, the fact that Mahilo was able. 149 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:34,759 Speaker 5: To step up and play the way he played, I'm 150 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:40,120 blown away. I'm amazed, I'm impressed, I'm happy. Whereas with AJ, 151 00:07:40,759 --> 00:07:43,759 we know that he is arguably the best player in 152 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,839 the planet that is not playing in the NBA or 153 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:50,839 in the EuroLeague, and so the expectations of him having 154 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:52,839 that game are different. 155 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 2: Than Mahilo having the game that he had. You know, 156 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,720 that's the type of critical situation that he has been 157 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:02,920 with the I use you know, role players. 158 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,279 Speaker 4: Which element of AJ's game against Iowa State were you 159 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,959 most impressed by? Was it his scoring efficiency, where he 160 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,519 was getting his buckets, how he's getting his buckets fighting 161 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:18,680 through physicality. Was it his endurance cardio, that effort of 162 00:08:18,839 --> 00:08:22,800 just playing forty minutes that's four games consecutively where he's 163 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,399 playing forty minutes. It's insane. How about his playmaking ability? 164 00:08:27,399 --> 00:08:30,040 He had nine assists, It could have been fifteen sixteen 165 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,559 because guys just weren't hitting wide open shots when he 166 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,919 would draw double team or was it his defense lockdown 167 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,440 one of the best scorers in college basketball? 168 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,519 Speaker 3: What was your favorite portion of AJ's game and why. 169 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:46,279 Speaker 2: So? 170 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 5: I will actually say that the shot creation for others. 171 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,240 I don't know if it was you. I don't know 172 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:54,840 if it was Lee. I don't know if you were 173 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,919 talking to Lee or Eric Meeka, but I think it 174 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,120 was you. Bend As said AJ probably created twenty plus 175 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,399 shots for the people around him, and you know, someone 176 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:09,000 said that on Twitter, and I think that's that's my 177 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,519 favorite thing, is that he was able to create shots 178 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:16,799 for others, or maybe it was Robbie McComb that if 179 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:18,120 they knocked down half of. 180 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,159 Speaker 2: The shots that they missed, he ends up with fourteen 181 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,200 fifteen assists. 182 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 5: It's why I always said his comparison, if he's able 183 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:28,960 to to to improve his. 184 00:09:29,039 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: Ball handling Titan a little bit. 185 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 5: I feel like he's more Penny Hardaway than he is 186 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,679 a smaller Kevin Garnet and so just because he's so smooth. 187 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: With it right. 188 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 5: And again, if we were to say that that BYU 189 00:09:43,399 --> 00:09:44,440 beat Iowa. 190 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,039 Speaker 2: State with. 191 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,159 Speaker 5: Rob Wright the third only scoring nine points, people would say, 192 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,200 you're absolutely crazy out of your mind. But that's the 193 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,799 type of game that Hadeen had, that MoU Davis had, 194 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,639 and that Mahilo had. 195 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,759 Speaker 3: It was impressive and no doubt about it. 196 00:10:04,279 --> 00:10:08,039 Speaker 4: Jonathan Tabinari here on ESPN the fan former BYU bucket 197 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,480 getter talking some BYU basketball in this segment. 198 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:13,279 Speaker 3: A great win for BYU. 199 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,759 Speaker 4: And you look at what BYU has done over the 200 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,679 last four games, they're they're trending in the right direction. 201 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:23,519 You look at the final few games, has be what 202 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:26,279 you figured it out? Have they been able to figure 203 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,559 out the best rotation, the best minutes allocation? Is the 204 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,919 personnel now matching up with maybe the scheme that the 205 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,440 coaching staff is trying to employ. 206 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: We're getting the most out of this team. 207 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 5: I will be able to tell you this on on Saturday. 208 00:10:43,639 --> 00:10:47,320 You know, one time is a fluke, Twice shows somewhat 209 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,399 of a pattern. 210 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:50,159 Speaker 2: Three times you got it down. 211 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 5: And so we'll see how they play tomorrow against UCF. 212 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,480 Very late game by the way nine o'clock, good grief, 213 00:10:57,639 --> 00:11:01,440 and you know, sat they at West Virginia. 214 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,159 Speaker 2: I think it would be it will be a big test. 215 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 5: For them, right, And so if Uiu is able to 216 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,279 finish this week again to a oh, I actually like 217 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:16,960 Buyu's chances of you know, going to Cincinnati to you know, 218 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,279 on another road trip and then finishing at home of 219 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,879 Texas back and finishing this tretch of five and oh, right, 220 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,279 that means that in the less eight games they're probably 221 00:11:27,279 --> 00:11:29,840 gonna have gone Actually that's the point. Let's see if 222 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,639 we can look. That means that the under less eight games, 223 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,919 if they go five and oh on this stretch, that 224 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:43,240 puts them let's see, uh two wins and then yeah, 225 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,679 that puts them at you know, the only loss that 226 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,000 they'll have is Arizona. 227 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,759 Speaker 2: That puts them at seven in one bind. 228 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:52,879 Speaker 5: It will be difficult at that point for Buyu not 229 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,480 to be considered probably a four or a five seed 230 00:11:56,639 --> 00:12:01,120 at worse at worse. And so, you know, big big 231 00:12:01,159 --> 00:12:02,600 two weeks for b Yu. 232 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: Starting tomorrow with UCF. 233 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 5: They have four massive games and you know, and I 234 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,039 think that if they go for and oh, they you 235 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,720 have a very realistic shot of being you know, a 236 00:12:15,759 --> 00:12:19,360 third seed, a three seed, or a worse a four seed. 237 00:12:20,759 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: B Yu's win over Ioway State snapped a six game 238 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:27,320 losing streak against AP Top ten teams. 239 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,799 Speaker 3: So that was a big win for the k Y era. 240 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,519 Speaker 4: That was a big win for this twenty twenty six 241 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:38,919 BYU basketball team. And what can confidence from a win 242 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,840 like this do for a team a coaching staff. 243 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 5: Well, that was a signature win for the season, right, 244 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:47,960 I mean d YU was missing that and so to 245 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,879 be able to get it in the fashion that they did. 246 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,919 You know, I think there's a lot of you know, 247 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,840 I don't want to say question marks. I don't want 248 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,159 to say concerns. 249 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 2: There are a lot of not inquiries, but there are 250 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,159 a lot of like situations that you can look at. 251 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,759 Speaker 5: It was like, well b YU beat Iowa State. But right, 252 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:09,480 there's a lot of there's a lot of things that 253 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:13,080 you can say but and start listing them, but none 254 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,240 of thee last by U has its signature win of 255 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:16,960 the season, which is incredible. 256 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,639 Speaker 2: You know what they'll will do for a team. 257 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 5: I can tell you when we beat Louisville and then 258 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,000 we played North Carolina the next day. You know, I 259 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,279 literally feel like I felt like I could, you know, 260 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:31,399 like I was invisible. I walked around like I had 261 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:35,000 the letter S on my chest, and you know, because 262 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:37,919 you feel good about yourself. And that's why I say, like, 263 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,559 if if Mahilo is able to capitalize, if Mahilo and 264 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:46,679 Canard and Hadem are able to capitalize on this tomorrow, 265 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,879 and then they're gonna go to the to the road 266 00:13:49,919 --> 00:13:55,279 trip against West Virginia and against Cincinnati, and oh buddy, 267 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:58,279 if they figure if they win both these, I mean, 268 00:13:58,399 --> 00:14:01,080 they're probably gonna win tomorrow right at center Magic and 269 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,200 so on. If they win both of those games all 270 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,399 in Texas, that comes into provo. 271 00:14:07,159 --> 00:14:11,519 Speaker 2: Without J T topping. Oh, I don't know how. 272 00:14:11,919 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 5: I don't know how the Raiders they're gonna look at that, 273 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:18,200 because you know, it becomes a dangerous team and uh, 274 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:20,039 and so it's. 275 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 2: The next two weeks will be able to truly tell, 276 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:23,360 you know. 277 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 5: I honestly felt like the season was gonna turn for 278 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,200 the worst after the Kansas has lost, and it kind 279 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,200 of did right in terms of, you know, Richie got 280 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,639 hurt and that was just a lot of negative negativity 281 00:14:37,039 --> 00:14:40,919 and the momentum without a win, and so but if 282 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,960 Uyu pulls off the fact that they go five and 283 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,120 zero on their last five, seven. 284 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: And one on their last eight. 285 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 5: Oh man, I don't know who is gonna want to 286 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,919 face these guys in March, because that's gonna be a 287 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:54,799 red hot team. 288 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: We've seen you look at Darren Peterson and h. The 289 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:07,000 debate right now that's going nationally is who are these gms? 290 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:10,879 Who is whoever gets that number one overall pick? Who 291 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:14,080 are they gonna take first? AJ or Darren? Darren Stock 292 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,759 has dropped because he's in load management mode. He's not 293 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:19,960 playing as much, he's pulling himself out, but his points 294 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:24,320 permitted played are insane. He's the most proficient score in 295 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,919 college basketball. AJ is playing forty minutes a game, though, 296 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,679 and almost taling triple doubles versus top ten teams in 297 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:32,679 college basketball. 298 00:15:33,039 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: If you're a GM right now. 299 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 4: And you're taking all this in, where do you lean 300 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,399 right now? Do you do you lean towards the scoring 301 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,080 potential and the ability of Darren? Or do you say 302 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,600 AJ is the more well rounded player right now and 303 00:15:47,639 --> 00:15:48,960 he's more of a competitor. 304 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 5: Well, so I'm going to try to take my blue 305 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,000 goggles on right and take it off. 306 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:56,879 Speaker 2: And so I will say this. 307 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,639 Speaker 5: Finds me a lot of my freshman year when there 308 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,360 was a discussion between Kevin Duran and Greg Olden, you 309 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:06,879 know what I mean. 310 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: Greg Olden had a lot. 311 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:13,519 Speaker 5: Of red flags at Ohio State with load management, only 312 00:16:13,559 --> 00:16:17,120 playing twenty twenty five minutes a game, you know, like 313 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:21,080 he wasn't he wasn't a heavy usage guy. And so 314 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:26,759 it's interesting how you know people are looking at Darren Peterson. 315 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:29,720 Jeff Goodman actually tweeted out and said, I had the 316 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:33,240 same conversation with the same GM, you know, two three 317 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:36,240 weeks apart, and he went from Darren Peterson is the 318 00:16:36,279 --> 00:16:39,360 consensus number one to I don't know if I would 319 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,159 even take Darren Peterson, you know, with my my top 320 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,840 two or three picks, maybe he would be the third 321 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:49,600 or the fourth pick just because of his ability. Before 322 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:51,720 I even pick him at all, I need to look 323 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,000 at the physical I need to just have him do 324 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,679 a battery of tests to look at bone density, at 325 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,639 anything and everything you can pssibly think of. 326 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: And I think that's a fair thing to say. You're 327 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:04,519 you're seeing a. 328 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:10,319 Speaker 5: J right, big and strong and young and athletic and 329 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,599 filled with energy and just. 330 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:17,279 Speaker 2: Packed with you know, explosion and over and over and 331 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:19,039 over again at all times. 332 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,079 Speaker 5: Whereas Darren Peterson, you're looking at it in a little 333 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:26,000 bit like a Prima Donna type of situation where you know, 334 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,599 makes a three turns around, asks Bill Self to be subbed. 335 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,039 You know, Bill Self even says like, you know, we've 336 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:34,480 never had to deal with something like this, and you know, 337 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,880 like you can tell and Bill Self face he's like, 338 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:38,440 I can't believe I'm. 339 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:39,759 Speaker 2: Having to deal with this in my career. 340 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:43,839 Speaker 5: And you know, like that's my opinion, and that's the 341 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,720 way that I'm interpreting Bill Self's body language, and so 342 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,079 I you know, I also the one thing I was saying, 343 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:52,839 it also. 344 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 2: Depends on a lot of It depends on six. 345 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:56,559 Speaker 6: Right. 346 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: There are there are certain teams that if they. 347 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,839 Speaker 5: Get the number one pick and they go with Kim 348 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,759 Boozer because they're looking for. 349 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 2: A big man, I can't fault. 350 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 5: Them because Kim Boozer has been good all year long, right, 351 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,960 And Kim Boozer is actually played and he's maximizing everything. 352 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: Whereas with Darren Peterson, I think there's a big question 353 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:19,160 mark there. 354 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 5: And this is one of those drafts that you can't 355 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,279 go wrong with anybody unless you go with someone like 356 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,519 Darren Peterson, and they just ended up getting hurt over 357 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:31,279 and over again, right, and so can't stay healthy. 358 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 2: You know. 359 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,079 Speaker 5: It's again trying to say this without blue. 360 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: Goggles, you know, in a in a very analytical way 361 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:41,559 from what I seen. 362 00:18:41,599 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 5: Basketball wise, you can deny Darren Peterson Stalin, right, you can't. 363 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,319 But at what point in time then that actually playing 364 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:53,240 games is going to actually matter versus just potential. 365 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 2: And you know, just hey, he may turn out to 366 00:18:56,519 --> 00:18:57,799 be an All Star, you know what I mean? 367 00:18:58,599 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just wonder what what if Darren goes off 368 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,200 in the NC double Trummer. This is why I'm predicting it. 369 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,680 I think he's gonna go off. I think he's gonna 370 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,759 ball out. I think he's gonna kind of change the narrative. 371 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:10,480 He's gonna play more minutes, all those all those things 372 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,920 that probably leave Kansas to at least the Sweet sixteen run. 373 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,759 If he does that, I think the narrative changes once again. 374 00:19:16,759 --> 00:19:19,559 And they were gonna be flip floppers, right, there's gonna 375 00:19:19,559 --> 00:19:20,119 be flip flopps. 376 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,599 Speaker 3: Oh see, I knew it. I knew it all along. 377 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,799 He was just he was just you know, building it up. 378 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,279 Speaker 4: He's he's he's big shot Bob in NCAA tournament. 379 00:19:27,319 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 3: He's playing when it matters most. 380 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,799 Speaker 5: Oh and that's the thing, right, I mean, just like 381 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:38,039 Yu was able to change to narrative with an incredible 382 00:19:38,079 --> 00:19:42,119 performance the less, you know, the less game and getting. 383 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: It seen at your win, so can Darren Peterson. Right. 384 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 5: But if we're analyzing the snap shot up today, things 385 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,359 are not looking good for him. 386 00:19:51,599 --> 00:19:52,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. 387 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very intriguing, no doubt about it. 388 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:58,319 Speaker 4: Jonathan Debnaar here on your UTI ESPN, ready to little 389 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,559 college basketball here on Cougar Sports. 390 00:20:01,799 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 3: A couple of last things here at JG. 391 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,279 Speaker 4: I wanted to get your thoughts actually kind of these 392 00:20:06,319 --> 00:20:08,279 overarching thoughts. This is more of like a high level 393 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:11,279 question for you, Elder Gilbert. I don't know if you 394 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:13,279 know Elder Gilbert at all, if you've interacted with him, 395 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,759 that's my guy, I know, okay, all right, Like I 396 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:20,920 love him. You know, he's been an ambassador for for 397 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:23,400 BYU Athletics, etcetera. Now he's a member of the quorumer 398 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,519 of the twelve. He he went on record and said 399 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,480 that the Board of Trustees and Elder Holland felt like 400 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:37,559 BYU was going adrift from its like archetype traditional value system. 401 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:39,839 Speaker 3: Maybe, you know, maybe it was within. 402 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 4: The the I don't know if the staff, the personnel 403 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,240 that was operating. I don't know if it was leadership things. Anyway, 404 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:50,920 I thought it was interesting. I don't know if you 405 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,559 saw any of these quotes what he stayed in, what 406 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,960 Elder Holland. 407 00:20:54,559 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 3: Said prior to. 408 00:20:57,759 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. 409 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I'll pull it up up here and 410 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,759 can can we play it for Ronnie? Can we play 411 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:08,720 that cougar byte? Well, let's play the first one where 412 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,119 Elder Holland is where he's talking about how Elder Holland 413 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,759 stated that that b YU was going a drift. Now 414 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,960 let me know when you got a cute up, Ronnie, 415 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,640 and then we'll play for JT and get his thoughts 416 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:26,359 on this. But he essentially says that BYU b YU 417 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,440 has slipped or had slipped. 418 00:21:28,519 --> 00:21:29,079 Speaker 3: Let's listen. 419 00:21:29,079 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 6: In a lot of a lot of pressures for BYU 420 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:36,640 to be just like the world. People say, why do 421 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,480 we have these religious standards? Where do we do all 422 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:42,480 these things? And I remember I was talking to President 423 00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:48,039 Holland and he was bemoaning that he could feel this 424 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,920 drift happening to the university. And he's like, what have 425 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,599 they done with our school that we loved so much? 426 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:59,200 And I felt awkward. I wasn't even the commissioner yet, 427 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:01,240 and I felt like I needed to defend them. And 428 00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:04,000 I said, well, President Holland, you know, we have the 429 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,680 Honor Code, we have devotionals, we have religion classes, we 430 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:12,599 have the Academic Freedom Policy. And I said they're like 431 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,359 bumper lanes protecting us from bowling into the gutter. And 432 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,200 he didn't even let me finish. And he said, that's 433 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,599 very different than boeing for a strike. And he said, 434 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,119 we need to bowl for a strike at BYU. And 435 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,519 just a couple phenomenal things that have happened at that 436 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,759 university in the last five years. We started out five 437 00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:38,319 years ago with seventy five percent of our students. We 438 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,359 do an exit survey when the students leave. One of 439 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,079 the questions is did you grow closer did Jesus Christ 440 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,960 in your time at BYU. Well, five years ago that 441 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,960 was at seventy five percent, much lower than the rest 442 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,359 of our institutions. Well, the next year it climbed to 443 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,119 seventy seven percent than the year after that to eighty three. 444 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,640 Last it was eighty seven percent, and there's a real 445 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,119 momentum there. What's remarkable, though, is the faculty they wanted this. 446 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,160 They live in the same pressures that we feel, and 447 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,839 they wanted to stand up and be distinct and different. 448 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:21,880 And with all of that change, over ninety percent of 449 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:27,480 our faculty report high satisfaction and support as faculty at 450 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,519 that university, higher than almost every other secular comparison. So 451 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:37,599 we've been able to drive this change, but because the faculty, 452 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:39,839 for the most part wanted it. And I'm sure there 453 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,160 are a few who are like I wanted this to 454 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,559 be more like University of Pennsylvania or cal Berkeley or 455 00:23:45,559 --> 00:23:50,480 some other school, but the majority came to BYU because 456 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:54,119 they loved its mission and they wanted to be different. 457 00:23:56,759 --> 00:23:59,519 Speaker 4: Give me your reaction to those comments. What stood out 458 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:00,720 to you, John the Taebinari? 459 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I think the world of of 460 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,240 of Elder Gilbert. I've had a chance to visit with 461 00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:12,640 him numerous times at basketball games, you. 462 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,559 Speaker 2: Know, and UH with him and. 463 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,799 Speaker 5: UH and President Reeese. You know, I knew President Wordington 464 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,839 a little bit less. 465 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,599 Speaker 2: I knew obviously you know, President Samerson and I are 466 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,240 very close. 467 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 5: And so what I would say is, you know, knowing Clark. 468 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,839 Speaker 2: Clark Gilbert like I do, I I wouldn't be. 469 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 5: Surprised if he turns around in a few years and say, 470 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,559 you know, I had a conversation with Elder Holland and uh, 471 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,480 you know, I'm only aiming for strikes now. 472 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,839 Speaker 2: And you know, as I hear Dad, I. 473 00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 5: Think about the mission of by U, and I think 474 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,559 about Kilaney, I think about a J. D. 475 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,279 Speaker 2: Bonsa. I think about the way AJ is carrying himself 476 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,359 like Ben, Like this is a kid that you know, 477 00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:08,119 would have all the reasons in. 478 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 5: The world to go to a different school and be 479 00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:16,559 willing to party and be willing to you know, participate 480 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,680 in in collegiate you know, activities that are normal anywhere 481 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:25,200 else but within our faith, but that people within our faith, 482 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,359 you know, still do it. 483 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:28,799 Speaker 2: But it's contrary to living the honor code. 484 00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:31,559 Speaker 5: And I look at the way by U is right 485 00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:34,200 now right, And I can tell you in good authority 486 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,079 that there are multiple conversations happening within the Athletic Department 487 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,759 about making sure that not only a standard of well, 488 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,759 let me take it back not only you're striving and 489 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,279 aiming to win a national championship at multiple levels. They 490 00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:57,680 are striving to do that while living. 491 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,319 Speaker 2: The Gospel of Jesus Christ. And I can tell you 492 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,200 that I can't. 493 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 5: I'm not going to betraye people's trust and start naming 494 00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:06,400 names and situations. 495 00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 2: But you know me, and you know a lot of 496 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,160 the people that you and I know, and you. 497 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 5: Kind of can you yourself kind of understand what I'm 498 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,079 saying here. I know for a fact there's a lot 499 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,480 of things that happen in off. 500 00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 2: Seasons where one of the main things is I don't 501 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,559 care how good this kid is, he is not a 502 00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:27,440 good fit. We're going to move on. 503 00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:32,279 Speaker 5: And so, you know, it's one of those things that Klaney, 504 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,039 it's one of those things that Kevin Young has bought into. 505 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,039 You could tell Ben on Saturday after. 506 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 2: The game that Kevin exploded to the student to the 507 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,559 rock and. 508 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,799 Speaker 5: The burst off of energy and celebration that was pure 509 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,920 and that is coming from a place of I represent 510 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,319 this university, I represent this basketball program, I represent this institution, 511 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:59,680 represent the Church of Jesus Christ, of lot of these saints. 512 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,640 I That's that's. 513 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 2: What I do. And I'm going to say one more thing. 514 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,079 Then to have. 515 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 5: Kevin Young speak up doing the press conference after Oklahoma 516 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,599 State and say I'm a Mormon and I'm doing this 517 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:13,440 like that was powerful. 518 00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: And so you know, the hand, you know, the touch 519 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,079 and the guidance and another. Gilbert would never take credit 520 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,599 for that. That's the type of man that he is. 521 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:29,039 But we all know that it's his impact, his influence 522 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:30,680 on the way that. 523 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 5: The educational living in standards of b YU have been 524 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,799 impacted these last few years. We know that he had 525 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:42,000 a direct hand on and so you know, it's it's 526 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,160 one of the things that I you know, I think 527 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:49,480 sets b YU apart right and uh, it's the standard 528 00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,000 of living, what you represent and what you do. And 529 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,799 so you know, obviously we all miss President Holland dearly, 530 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,279 and you know, I had a few situations that we 531 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,039 got to shake. 532 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:03,039 Speaker 2: His hand because BYU is near and dear to his heart. 533 00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 5: He's a b YU man, much like President Oaks is 534 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,839 a BYU man. And so the focus is on BYU. 535 00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:14,519 The pressure is definitely on the head coaches to recruit 536 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,160 and make sure that young men and young women you know, 537 00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:21,359 are in a position to succeed. 538 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: You know at BUYU and Uh, I think that BYU 539 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,000 is on the right trajectory. And and that's the beauty 540 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:29,720 of the gospel. 541 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,319 Speaker 5: You know, if you're doing things with your heart's turned 542 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:37,119 to Christ, and if you open a wrong door, as 543 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,640 long as you have your heart centered in Christ, he 544 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:41,319 will guide you to open the right door. 545 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:43,119 Speaker 2: And and I and I would love. 546 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,519 Speaker 5: To ask you, Ben, I feel like I've seen that 547 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:47,680 multiple times happening with multiple programs. 548 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,279 Speaker 2: I dare to say that you have as well. 549 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 4: No doubt about it, man, I just love hearing from leadership. 550 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,640 One of the things that I that we haven't necessarily 551 00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:01,279 heard from our leadership. I don't know about you when 552 00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:04,599 like I don't remember Cecilo Samuelson going up to like 553 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,240 the devotional or going on to media platforms and discussing 554 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,480 the mission of BYU and the mission. 555 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: Of athletics as it as it as it integrates with 556 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,480 you well. 557 00:29:16,599 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 4: And Elder Gilbert has Elder Gilber has like, and I 558 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,119 think Shane Reese and unapologetically. 559 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,839 Speaker 3: Has said like, we're we're very holistic here. 560 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 4: Academic, spiritual, and athletics is all part of the experience. 561 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,359 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's ever been that way quite honestly. 562 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 5: Well, I also I also would say, and I know 563 00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:35,640 that you're not saying this to take like, oh President 564 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,599 Samilson wasn't good. 565 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not saying that. 566 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 4: I definitely that I don't think it hasn't been in 567 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,519 a public sphere, is what I'm getting exactly well. 568 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: And I also think that the world has come a 569 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,119 long way. 570 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 5: Like you know, back in two thousand and four to 571 00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:52,799 two thousand and eight, when you and I were at BUYU, 572 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,839 you know, like Facebook was barely a thing and social 573 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,480 media was in existent. 574 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:01,559 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like one of. 575 00:30:01,599 --> 00:30:07,039 Speaker 5: Your first years doing you know, the radio show, Instagram 576 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,480 was just a filter for pictures, you know what I mean. 577 00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:13,039 And so I think the world and globalization has had 578 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,319 an impact on the way that we talk of Christ, 579 00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:20,039 we preach of Christ, and we represent Christ right. And 580 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,960 I think that with the evolution of the way that 581 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,799 social media has come along, so has the way that 582 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:31,200 we practice our religion, that we talk about our religion. 583 00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:33,240 I mean, Ben, when it was the last time that 584 00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:38,920 you can remember that you did an interview on a 585 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:41,920 that a national audience could be reached because your show 586 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,880 is national, you know, you have listeners all over the world, 587 00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:46,079 and we just. 588 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,759 Speaker 2: Spent almost ten minutes talking about our Lord and Savior, 589 00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:53,119 Jesus Christ and so like, I never had a platform 590 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,640 like that when I was at BUYU, and I was 591 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,839 probably the most outspoken athlete that there was a BUIU 592 00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,799 during in that time. 593 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,599 Speaker 5: And so I think with with with the with the 594 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,519 avenues and the media channels and the world the changing 595 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:13,880 and new technology being being you know, vamped, it becomes 596 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,039 one of those things that you. 597 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,599 Speaker 2: Can now talk to leaders, you can now have that outreach. 598 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,680 And I think one of the reasons why you know, 599 00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,599 the Lord called you know, Clark C. 600 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 5: Gilbert to be able to be an apostle is very 601 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,000 much because he is in tune with what's happening with 602 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:29,559 the youth today. He is in tune of what's happening, 603 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,440 you know, in high schools and colleges because that was 604 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,200 his job, you know, like he was a faculty. He 605 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,319 his faculty at Harvard, and so to me, it's one 606 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:39,279 of those things that. 607 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: You know, the law the Lord. 608 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 5: In Brazil we say, the Lord writes correctly in crooked lines, 609 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,119 and he knows best and it's all. 610 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,759 Speaker 2: Done in his time, and so you know. And that's 611 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:53,400 one of the things. 612 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 5: Man, I fully believe this, right and I think Kilani has. 613 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,359 If there is one thing that I can say not 614 00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,359 extremely positive about the basketball program, because I will shower 615 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,160 the football program with with praise is Kilani. And this 616 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,960 is from day one, and I have this again. 617 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 2: I can name you a dozen football players. 618 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:21,759 Speaker 5: From Foutee, you know, from Carlows for I mean, I 619 00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,160 can go on and on and on. Kilani has made 620 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,400 his life's mission to get buy U to the greatest, 621 00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:32,480 to the greatest, you know, stage of all in Buyu 622 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,480 in college football at the college football level, and he 623 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:41,920 has surrounded himself with greatness when he comes to former athletes, 624 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,880 to former players. Right now, it's different because you can 625 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,119 employ more people on a. 626 00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: Football team, right you know. But I feel, I truly. 627 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 5: Feel a duty as an alum of BUYU, which is 628 00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:58,319 why I work with the guys in the summer and 629 00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,119 I don't charge them a penny ask traveling now how 630 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,920 much I've ever charged him to spend you know, countless 631 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,119 countless summers with him working or Brody Koleslowski. I feel 632 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,599 like it is my duty as in the lum as 633 00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:16,640 a representative of the church as a public figure that 634 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,680 has played for BUYU that I have to go back 635 00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,440 and I have to give to these guys and I 636 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,680 have to help, you know, guide them of showing them 637 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:27,720 what is the buyu A? What does he mean that 638 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,960 the world is our campus that you enter to learn 639 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,119 and you go forth to serve. 640 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: What does he mean to act like in a christ 641 00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:34,759 like way. 642 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,359 Speaker 5: Where you know, you truly play like you're going to 643 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,839 demolish and kick their butts, but then afterwards you're going 644 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,359 to love, you know, love your neighbor. 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