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while you great the bucket getter. The Three Points specialist
Jonathan Tabnari is on the line.
Speaker 3: JT. How that heck? Are you buddy?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Right, that's never happened. That's uh, that's that's misinformation.
Speaker 3: That's that's false. That's a false.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm just saying, man, you know it's a he said,
she said, world.
Speaker 3: My friend, I guess so, yeah it is.
Speaker 4: But hey, innocent until proven guilty, right, But I'll tell
you you always get the fifteen percent off whenever you
mentioned myself for ESPN the fan Jonathan Tabnari on the line,
this bling basketball team, what what stood out to you
in this?
Speaker 3: I was saying, how did they get the dub JT.
Speaker 5: So I want to stay positive and I want to
say that by U was the greatest thing since slice
bread and they were right. I mean, if you look
at AJ and the way AJ played, you know, one assist,
shy of a triple double, played.
Speaker 2: The whole game. Conard Davis was.
Speaker 5: Incredible, Mahailo Boscovich, my gosh, his best game as a Cougar.
Speaker 2: And uh, I think defensively BYU was good. This is
where a lot of people might disagree with me.
Speaker 5: I don't think BYU was great out of this world defensively,
I think they were really good. I just think Iowa
stayed also had a bad game. Well then, JG, are
you ever going to give these guys credit? I think
that both things can be can be true at the
same time. Then I think BUYU played a phenomenal game
and I will Stay played at one of the toughest
environments in college basketball.
Speaker 2: And and so.
Speaker 5: I think both things, both things can be be right
the same way that you know things didn't work out
for by you for almost you know, three weeks in
terms of getting wins and playing well.
Speaker 2: I will stay had a bad night, right, did they
have a bad night.
Speaker 5: Because of BYU's defense? Partially? You know a lot of
it because of that. And so to me, you know,
it was a perfect night for BYU to rebound and
bounce back, and uh, you know.
Speaker 2: It was a great game. And uh, you know, to me.
Speaker 5: Credit goes to the victors, right, this is not one
of those things that you know, BYU won the game
and uh, and not so much of IOWA say, just
lost that game.
Speaker 2: They gave the game for you.
Speaker 5: No, b y went and took it, right, ioways they
didn't play well. Definitely didn't look like the sixth the
sixth ranked team in the country, that's for sure. And
so but it was a it was a it was
a perfect night where Mahilo stepped up and and Canard
stepped up and even hadem boop, you know, stepped up
and I and I and I think that was phenomenal
to me.
Speaker 2: You know, it may even sound blasphemous to say this.
Speaker 5: I was happier with the performance from a high low
and hadem much more than I was impressed with AJ's performance.
And that's crazy to say because the man almost had
a thirty point triple double. But we know what he's
capable of. It had been a while since we even
saw you know, my Ilo played to that level, and
so to me, you know, and I and I said
this at the end of the the post game show
on buy U TV and ESPN Plus, where you know,
Mahilo and Hadein to me were the most impressive players
from Buyu just because we know AJ is otherworldly already.
Speaker 3: What Okay, I think I agree with you on like
a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of the I I'm not yet.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I said.
Speaker 4: I said something similar, not in the same not in
the same way, but a similar right too, to both
Ronnie and Brett. I said, Look, because they contested shots early,
I felt like when Iowa State was open, there could
have been something within mechanics where they were kind of
sped up and they were missing.
Speaker 3: Wide open shots at times.
Speaker 4: Right, But like, I do feel like they were closing
out early and often and bringing different energy which could
be a contributing factor to sped up mechanics or altered
mechanics when it's not a contested or semi contested shot.
Speaker 3: Is that an accurate depiction?
Speaker 2: I think so.
Speaker 5: You know, obviously, you know, it takes an incredible amount
of mental sharpness to be able to just shoot every
shot the same. And you know, if you don't see
your first ones go in, it takes a toll on you, right.
I mean we saw this with Richie, you know, the
games before he got hurt, where he would have open
looks but he just wasn't knocking them down.
Speaker 2: And so it happens. It happens with everybody.
Speaker 5: And so did BYU did a phenomenal job on defense?
Speaker 2: I think they did.
Speaker 5: I think they did a great job on defense. But
you know, to your point afterwards, I always think just
didn't play well. This is not a takeaway the credit
from BYU. It's just analyzing the game in an objective way.
And then the other thing is also to say, this
is not a takeaway the game from a j who
is arguably you know, Seth Davis even mentioned, which I agree,
it was most likely one of the best two way
performance in you know, in the season, in the whole
college basketball season this year, which I think is a
fair thing to say. But think about what we have
been you know what you have been paying me the millions.
Speaker 2: Of dollars I get paid from ESPN de fan.
Speaker 5: Think about what has been the overall message that I
have been saying for the most two months now. Has
it been how great AJ is and he has to
do more? Or has been that Mahilo and Tyler and Alexei.
Speaker 2: Need to do more? You get what I mean? And
so to me, the fact that Mahilo was able.
Speaker 5: To step up and play the way he played, I'm
blown away. I'm amazed, I'm impressed, I'm happy. Whereas with AJ,
we know that he is arguably the best player in
the planet that is not playing in the NBA or
in the EuroLeague, and so the expectations of him having
that game are different.
Speaker 2: Than Mahilo having the game that he had. You know,
that's the type of critical situation that he has been
with the I use you know, role players.
Speaker 4: Which element of AJ's game against Iowa State were you
most impressed by? Was it his scoring efficiency, where he
was getting his buckets, how he's getting his buckets fighting
through physicality. Was it his endurance cardio, that effort of
just playing forty minutes that's four games consecutively where he's
playing forty minutes. It's insane. How about his playmaking ability?
He had nine assists, It could have been fifteen sixteen
because guys just weren't hitting wide open shots when he
would draw double team or was it his defense lockdown
one of the best scorers in college basketball?
Speaker 3: What was your favorite portion of AJ's game and why.
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 5: I will actually say that the shot creation for others.
I don't know if it was you. I don't know
if it was Lee. I don't know if you were
talking to Lee or Eric Meeka, but I think it
was you. Bend As said AJ probably created twenty plus
shots for the people around him, and you know, someone
said that on Twitter, and I think that's that's my
favorite thing, is that he was able to create shots
for others, or maybe it was Robbie McComb that if
they knocked down half of.
Speaker 2: The shots that they missed, he ends up with fourteen
fifteen assists.
Speaker 5: It's why I always said his comparison, if he's able
to to to improve his.
Speaker 2: Ball handling Titan a little bit.
Speaker 5: I feel like he's more Penny Hardaway than he is
a smaller Kevin Garnet and so just because he's so smooth.
Speaker 2: With it right.
Speaker 5: And again, if we were to say that that BYU
beat Iowa.
Speaker 2: State with.
Speaker 5: Rob Wright the third only scoring nine points, people would say,
you're absolutely crazy out of your mind. But that's the
type of game that Hadeen had, that MoU Davis had,
and that Mahilo had.
Speaker 3: It was impressive and no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: Jonathan Tabinari here on ESPN the fan former BYU bucket
getter talking some BYU basketball in this segment.
Speaker 3: A great win for BYU.
Speaker 4: And you look at what BYU has done over the
last four games, they're they're trending in the right direction.
You look at the final few games, has be what
you figured it out? Have they been able to figure
out the best rotation, the best minutes allocation? Is the
personnel now matching up with maybe the scheme that the
coaching staff is trying to employ.
Speaker 3: We're getting the most out of this team.
Speaker 5: I will be able to tell you this on on Saturday.
You know, one time is a fluke, Twice shows somewhat
of a pattern.
Speaker 2: Three times you got it down.
Speaker 5: And so we'll see how they play tomorrow against UCF.
Very late game by the way nine o'clock, good grief,
and you know, sat they at West Virginia.
Speaker 2: I think it would be it will be a big test.
Speaker 5: For them, right, And so if Uiu is able to
finish this week again to a oh, I actually like
Buyu's chances of you know, going to Cincinnati to you know,
on another road trip and then finishing at home of
Texas back and finishing this tretch of five and oh, right,
that means that in the less eight games they're probably
gonna have gone Actually that's the point. Let's see if
we can look. That means that the under less eight games,
if they go five and oh on this stretch, that
puts them let's see, uh two wins and then yeah,
that puts them at you know, the only loss that
they'll have is Arizona.
Speaker 2: That puts them at seven in one bind.
Speaker 5: It will be difficult at that point for Buyu not
to be considered probably a four or a five seed
at worse at worse. And so, you know, big big
two weeks for b Yu.
Speaker 2: Starting tomorrow with UCF.
Speaker 5: They have four massive games and you know, and I
think that if they go for and oh, they you
have a very realistic shot of being you know, a
third seed, a three seed, or a worse a four seed.
Speaker 4: B Yu's win over Ioway State snapped a six game
losing streak against AP Top ten teams.
Speaker 3: So that was a big win for the k Y era.
Speaker 4: That was a big win for this twenty twenty six
BYU basketball team. And what can confidence from a win
like this do for a team a coaching staff.
Speaker 5: Well, that was a signature win for the season, right,
I mean d YU was missing that and so to
be able to get it in the fashion that they did.
You know, I think there's a lot of you know,
I don't want to say question marks. I don't want
to say concerns.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of not inquiries, but there are
a lot of like situations that you can look at.
Speaker 5: It was like, well b YU beat Iowa State. But right,
there's a lot of there's a lot of things that
you can say but and start listing them, but none
of thee last by U has its signature win of
the season, which is incredible.
Speaker 2: You know what they'll will do for a team.
Speaker 5: I can tell you when we beat Louisville and then
we played North Carolina the next day. You know, I
literally feel like I felt like I could, you know,
like I was invisible. I walked around like I had
the letter S on my chest, and you know, because
you feel good about yourself. And that's why I say, like,
if if Mahilo is able to capitalize, if Mahilo and
Canard and Hadem are able to capitalize on this tomorrow,
and then they're gonna go to the to the road
trip against West Virginia and against Cincinnati, and oh buddy,
if they figure if they win both these, I mean,
they're probably gonna win tomorrow right at center Magic and
so on. If they win both of those games all
in Texas, that comes into provo.
Speaker 2: Without J T topping. Oh, I don't know how.
Speaker 5: I don't know how the Raiders they're gonna look at that,
because you know, it becomes a dangerous team and uh,
and so it's.
Speaker 2: The next two weeks will be able to truly tell,
you know.
Speaker 5: I honestly felt like the season was gonna turn for
the worst after the Kansas has lost, and it kind
of did right in terms of, you know, Richie got
hurt and that was just a lot of negative negativity
and the momentum without a win, and so but if
Uyu pulls off the fact that they go five and
zero on their last five, seven.
Speaker 2: And one on their last eight.
Speaker 5: Oh man, I don't know who is gonna want to
face these guys in March, because that's gonna be a
red hot team.
Speaker 4: We've seen you look at Darren Peterson and h. The
debate right now that's going nationally is who are these gms?
Who is whoever gets that number one overall pick? Who
are they gonna take first? AJ or Darren? Darren Stock
has dropped because he's in load management mode. He's not
playing as much, he's pulling himself out, but his points
permitted played are insane. He's the most proficient score in
college basketball. AJ is playing forty minutes a game, though,
and almost taling triple doubles versus top ten teams in
college basketball.
Speaker 3: If you're a GM right now.
Speaker 4: And you're taking all this in, where do you lean
right now? Do you do you lean towards the scoring
potential and the ability of Darren? Or do you say
AJ is the more well rounded player right now and
he's more of a competitor.
Speaker 5: Well, so I'm going to try to take my blue
goggles on right and take it off.
Speaker 2: And so I will say this.
Speaker 5: Finds me a lot of my freshman year when there
was a discussion between Kevin Duran and Greg Olden, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Greg Olden had a lot.
Speaker 5: Of red flags at Ohio State with load management, only
playing twenty twenty five minutes a game, you know, like
he wasn't he wasn't a heavy usage guy. And so
it's interesting how you know people are looking at Darren Peterson.
Jeff Goodman actually tweeted out and said, I had the
same conversation with the same GM, you know, two three
weeks apart, and he went from Darren Peterson is the
consensus number one to I don't know if I would
even take Darren Peterson, you know, with my my top
two or three picks, maybe he would be the third
or the fourth pick just because of his ability. Before
I even pick him at all, I need to look
at the physical I need to just have him do
a battery of tests to look at bone density, at
anything and everything you can pssibly think of.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a fair thing to say. You're
you're seeing a.
Speaker 5: J right, big and strong and young and athletic and
filled with energy and just.
Speaker 2: Packed with you know, explosion and over and over and
over again at all times.
Speaker 5: Whereas Darren Peterson, you're looking at it in a little
bit like a Prima Donna type of situation where you know,
makes a three turns around, asks Bill Self to be subbed.
You know, Bill Self even says like, you know, we've
never had to deal with something like this, and you know,
like you can tell and Bill Self face he's like,
I can't believe I'm.
Speaker 2: Having to deal with this in my career.
Speaker 5: And you know, like that's my opinion, and that's the
way that I'm interpreting Bill Self's body language, and so
I you know, I also the one thing I was saying,
it also.
Speaker 2: Depends on a lot of It depends on six.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: There are there are certain teams that if they.
Speaker 5: Get the number one pick and they go with Kim
Boozer because they're looking for.
Speaker 2: A big man, I can't fault.
Speaker 5: Them because Kim Boozer has been good all year long, right,
And Kim Boozer is actually played and he's maximizing everything.
Speaker 2: Whereas with Darren Peterson, I think there's a big question
mark there.
Speaker 5: And this is one of those drafts that you can't
go wrong with anybody unless you go with someone like
Darren Peterson, and they just ended up getting hurt over
and over again, right, and so can't stay healthy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: It's again trying to say this without blue.
Speaker 2: Goggles, you know, in a in a very analytical way
from what I seen.
Speaker 5: Basketball wise, you can deny Darren Peterson Stalin, right, you can't.
But at what point in time then that actually playing
games is going to actually matter versus just potential.
Speaker 2: And you know, just hey, he may turn out to
be an All Star, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just wonder what what if Darren goes off
in the NC double Trummer. This is why I'm predicting it.
I think he's gonna go off. I think he's gonna
ball out. I think he's gonna kind of change the narrative.
He's gonna play more minutes, all those all those things
that probably leave Kansas to at least the Sweet sixteen run.
If he does that, I think the narrative changes once again.
And they were gonna be flip floppers, right, there's gonna
be flip flopps.
Speaker 3: Oh see, I knew it. I knew it all along.
He was just he was just you know, building it up.
Speaker 4: He's he's he's big shot Bob in NCAA tournament.
Speaker 3: He's playing when it matters most.
Speaker 5: Oh and that's the thing, right, I mean, just like
Yu was able to change to narrative with an incredible
performance the less, you know, the less game and getting.
Speaker 2: It seen at your win, so can Darren Peterson. Right.
Speaker 5: But if we're analyzing the snap shot up today, things
are not looking good for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very intriguing, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: Jonathan Debnaar here on your UTI ESPN, ready to little
college basketball here on Cougar Sports.
Speaker 3: A couple of last things here at JG.
Speaker 4: I wanted to get your thoughts actually kind of these
overarching thoughts. This is more of like a high level
question for you, Elder Gilbert. I don't know if you
know Elder Gilbert at all, if you've interacted with him,
that's my guy, I know, okay, all right, Like I
love him. You know, he's been an ambassador for for
BYU Athletics, etcetera. Now he's a member of the quorumer
of the twelve. He he went on record and said
that the Board of Trustees and Elder Holland felt like
BYU was going adrift from its like archetype traditional value system.
Speaker 3: Maybe, you know, maybe it was within.
Speaker 4: The the I don't know if the staff, the personnel
that was operating. I don't know if it was leadership things. Anyway,
I thought it was interesting. I don't know if you
saw any of these quotes what he stayed in, what
Elder Holland.
Speaker 3: Said prior to.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So I'll pull it up up here and
can can we play it for Ronnie? Can we play
that cougar byte? Well, let's play the first one where
Elder Holland is where he's talking about how Elder Holland
stated that that b YU was going a drift. Now
let me know when you got a cute up, Ronnie,
and then we'll play for JT and get his thoughts
on this. But he essentially says that BYU b YU
has slipped or had slipped.
Speaker 3: Let's listen.
Speaker 6: In a lot of a lot of pressures for BYU
to be just like the world. People say, why do
we have these religious standards? Where do we do all
these things? And I remember I was talking to President
Holland and he was bemoaning that he could feel this
drift happening to the university. And he's like, what have
they done with our school that we loved so much?
And I felt awkward. I wasn't even the commissioner yet,
and I felt like I needed to defend them. And
I said, well, President Holland, you know, we have the
Honor Code, we have devotionals, we have religion classes, we
have the Academic Freedom Policy. And I said they're like
bumper lanes protecting us from bowling into the gutter. And
he didn't even let me finish. And he said, that's
very different than boeing for a strike. And he said,
we need to bowl for a strike at BYU. And
just a couple phenomenal things that have happened at that
university in the last five years. We started out five
years ago with seventy five percent of our students. We
do an exit survey when the students leave. One of
the questions is did you grow closer did Jesus Christ
in your time at BYU. Well, five years ago that
was at seventy five percent, much lower than the rest
of our institutions. Well, the next year it climbed to
seventy seven percent than the year after that to eighty three.
Last it was eighty seven percent, and there's a real
momentum there. What's remarkable, though, is the faculty they wanted this.
They live in the same pressures that we feel, and
they wanted to stand up and be distinct and different.
And with all of that change, over ninety percent of
our faculty report high satisfaction and support as faculty at
that university, higher than almost every other secular comparison. So
we've been able to drive this change, but because the faculty,
for the most part wanted it. And I'm sure there
are a few who are like I wanted this to
be more like University of Pennsylvania or cal Berkeley or
some other school, but the majority came to BYU because
they loved its mission and they wanted to be different.
Speaker 4: Give me your reaction to those comments. What stood out
to you, John the Taebinari?
Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I think the world of of
of Elder Gilbert. I've had a chance to visit with
him numerous times at basketball games, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and UH with him and.
Speaker 5: UH and President Reeese. You know, I knew President Wordington
a little bit less.
Speaker 2: I knew obviously you know, President Samerson and I are
very close.
Speaker 5: And so what I would say is, you know, knowing Clark.
Speaker 2: Clark Gilbert like I do, I I wouldn't be.
Speaker 5: Surprised if he turns around in a few years and say,
you know, I had a conversation with Elder Holland and uh,
you know, I'm only aiming for strikes now.
Speaker 2: And you know, as I hear Dad, I.
Speaker 5: Think about the mission of by U, and I think
about Kilaney, I think about a J. D.
Speaker 2: Bonsa. I think about the way AJ is carrying himself
like Ben, Like this is a kid that you know,
would have all the reasons in.
Speaker 5: The world to go to a different school and be
willing to party and be willing to you know, participate
in in collegiate you know, activities that are normal anywhere
else but within our faith, but that people within our faith,
you know, still do it.
Speaker 2: But it's contrary to living the honor code.
Speaker 5: And I look at the way by U is right
now right, And I can tell you in good authority
that there are multiple conversations happening within the Athletic Department
about making sure that not only a standard of well,
let me take it back not only you're striving and
aiming to win a national championship at multiple levels. They
are striving to do that while living.
Speaker 2: The Gospel of Jesus Christ. And I can tell you
that I can't.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to betraye people's trust and start naming
names and situations.
Speaker 2: But you know me, and you know a lot of
the people that you and I know, and you.
Speaker 5: Kind of can you yourself kind of understand what I'm
saying here. I know for a fact there's a lot
of things that happen in off.
Speaker 2: Seasons where one of the main things is I don't
care how good this kid is, he is not a
good fit. We're going to move on.
Speaker 5: And so, you know, it's one of those things that Klaney,
it's one of those things that Kevin Young has bought into.
You could tell Ben on Saturday after.
Speaker 2: The game that Kevin exploded to the student to the
rock and.
Speaker 5: The burst off of energy and celebration that was pure
and that is coming from a place of I represent
this university, I represent this basketball program, I represent this institution,
represent the Church of Jesus Christ, of lot of these saints.
I That's that's.
Speaker 2: What I do. And I'm going to say one more thing.
Then to have.
Speaker 5: Kevin Young speak up doing the press conference after Oklahoma
State and say I'm a Mormon and I'm doing this
like that was powerful.
Speaker 2: And so you know, the hand, you know, the touch
and the guidance and another. Gilbert would never take credit
for that. That's the type of man that he is.
But we all know that it's his impact, his influence
on the way that.
Speaker 5: The educational living in standards of b YU have been
impacted these last few years. We know that he had
a direct hand on and so you know, it's it's
one of the things that I you know, I think
sets b YU apart right and uh, it's the standard
of living, what you represent and what you do. And
so you know, obviously we all miss President Holland dearly,
and you know, I had a few situations that we
got to shake.
Speaker 2: His hand because BYU is near and dear to his heart.
Speaker 5: He's a b YU man, much like President Oaks is
a BYU man. And so the focus is on BYU.
The pressure is definitely on the head coaches to recruit
and make sure that young men and young women you know,
are in a position to succeed.
Speaker 2: You know at BUYU and Uh, I think that BYU
is on the right trajectory. And and that's the beauty
of the gospel.
Speaker 5: You know, if you're doing things with your heart's turned
to Christ, and if you open a wrong door, as
long as you have your heart centered in Christ, he
will guide you to open the right door.
Speaker 2: And and I and I would love.
Speaker 5: To ask you, Ben, I feel like I've seen that
multiple times happening with multiple programs.
Speaker 2: I dare to say that you have as well.
Speaker 4: No doubt about it, man, I just love hearing from leadership.
One of the things that I that we haven't necessarily
heard from our leadership. I don't know about you when
like I don't remember Cecilo Samuelson going up to like
the devotional or going on to media platforms and discussing
the mission of BYU and the mission.
Speaker 3: Of athletics as it as it as it integrates with
you well.
Speaker 4: And Elder Gilbert has Elder Gilber has like, and I
think Shane Reese and unapologetically.
Speaker 3: Has said like, we're we're very holistic here.
Speaker 4: Academic, spiritual, and athletics is all part of the experience.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's ever been that way quite honestly.
Speaker 5: Well, I also I also would say, and I know
that you're not saying this to take like, oh President
Samilson wasn't good.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 4: I definitely that I don't think it hasn't been in
a public sphere, is what I'm getting exactly well.
Speaker 2: And I also think that the world has come a
long way.
Speaker 5: Like you know, back in two thousand and four to
two thousand and eight, when you and I were at BUYU,
you know, like Facebook was barely a thing and social
media was in existent.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like one of.
Speaker 5: Your first years doing you know, the radio show, Instagram
was just a filter for pictures, you know what I mean.
And so I think the world and globalization has had
an impact on the way that we talk of Christ,
we preach of Christ, and we represent Christ right. And
I think that with the evolution of the way that
social media has come along, so has the way that
we practice our religion, that we talk about our religion.
I mean, Ben, when it was the last time that
you can remember that you did an interview on a
that a national audience could be reached because your show
is national, you know, you have listeners all over the world,
and we just.
Speaker 2: Spent almost ten minutes talking about our Lord and Savior,
Jesus Christ and so like, I never had a platform
like that when I was at BUYU, and I was
probably the most outspoken athlete that there was a BUIU
during in that time.
Speaker 5: And so I think with with with the with the
avenues and the media channels and the world the changing
and new technology being being you know, vamped, it becomes
one of those things that you.
Speaker 2: Can now talk to leaders, you can now have that outreach.
And I think one of the reasons why you know,
the Lord called you know, Clark C.
Speaker 5: Gilbert to be able to be an apostle is very
much because he is in tune with what's happening with
the youth today. He is in tune of what's happening,
you know, in high schools and colleges because that was
his job, you know, like he was a faculty. He
his faculty at Harvard, and so to me, it's one
of those things that.
Speaker 2: You know, the law the Lord.
Speaker 5: In Brazil we say, the Lord writes correctly in crooked lines,
and he knows best and it's all.
Speaker 2: Done in his time, and so you know. And that's
one of the things.
Speaker 5: Man, I fully believe this, right and I think Kilani has.
If there is one thing that I can say not
extremely positive about the basketball program, because I will shower
the football program with with praise is Kilani. And this
is from day one, and I have this again.
Speaker 2: I can name you a dozen football players.
Speaker 5: From Foutee, you know, from Carlows for I mean, I
can go on and on and on. Kilani has made
his life's mission to get buy U to the greatest,
to the greatest, you know, stage of all in Buyu
in college football at the college football level, and he
has surrounded himself with greatness when he comes to former athletes,
to former players. Right now, it's different because you can
employ more people on a.
Speaker 2: Football team, right you know. But I feel, I truly.
Speaker 5: Feel a duty as an alum of BUYU, which is
why I work with the guys in the summer and
I don't charge them a penny ask traveling now how
much I've ever charged him to spend you know, countless
countless summers with him working or Brody Koleslowski. I feel
like it is my duty as in the lum as
a representative of the church as a public figure that
has played for BUYU that I have to go back
and I have to give to these guys and I
have to help, you know, guide them of showing them
what is the buyu A? What does he mean that
the world is our campus that you enter to learn
and you go forth to serve.
Speaker 2: What does he mean to act like in a christ
like way.
Speaker 5: Where you know, you truly play like you're going to
demolish and kick their butts, but then afterwards you're going
to love, you know, love your neighbor. And so it's
one of those things that you know, the buy u
A specially and unique and I.
Speaker 2: Fully believe that Clark C.
Speaker 5: Gilbert embodies all of that.
Speaker 4: That'd be interesting to get your thoughts on a great commentary.
Speaker 2: JT.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you hopping on for a little keeping up with
the Cougar brother. We'll catch up in again soon.
Speaker 2: Always in forever, my friend, go kus, there you go.
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