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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have a great show for you this evening.

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<v Speaker 1>I met our guest, Scott Guerin, out at Contact in

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<v Speaker 1>the Desert, and he was hanging out with a future

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<v Speaker 1>guest coming up, Jeff Nucicelli, who will be coming up sometime,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's the first or second week in October.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll be another great show. Tonight's guest has a book

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<v Speaker 1>that's called Hiding in Plain Sight, and it's a book

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<v Speaker 1>about Objects that he's seen in the upper atmosphere and

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<v Speaker 1>has documented and filmed and taken pictures of. And so

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<v Speaker 1>just a couple of things upcoming here. Next week, I

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<v Speaker 1>have Rich Hoffman on Tuesday. But this coming Thursday, I

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<v Speaker 1>do have a show and it's going to be Grant Lovick.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be on at the regular time, Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>at 8 p.m. However, I'm not sure if I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be available or not. I'm going to be on

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<v Speaker 1>a plane, I do believe, at that time. and heading

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<v Speaker 1>to the MUFON symposium. And so if you happen to

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<v Speaker 1>be out there, please do look me up. All you

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<v Speaker 1>have to do is reach out to me through my website, podcastufo.com.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a contact form right there. And while you're over there,

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<v Speaker 1>check out the blog. We have blogs every week. And

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<v Speaker 1>this week is another great one from our longtime blogger,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Lear. And that's called UFO Landing Reports and Unique.

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<v Speaker 1>Trace Evidence in Ontario, Canada. So make sure you check

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<v Speaker 1>that out. And while you're over there, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>So I do hope to see some people at the

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<v Speaker 1>MUFON event coming right up. And then we'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>and at it. We have some great guests coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I do believe that next Thursday will

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<v Speaker 1>be Philip Mantle. He's always a he's a British longtime

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<v Speaker 1>UFO researcher. And I think I've had him on the

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<v Speaker 1>show for almost 14 years, something like that off and on.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, yeah, check that out next Thursday. That'll be

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<v Speaker 1>right here. on wherever you are watching live, or it

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<v Speaker 1>will be an audio podcast as well. So time to

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<v Speaker 1>bring in my guest. Scott, welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Martin. Glad to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Glad to have you. And it was really, was that

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<v Speaker 1>your first time at Contact in the Desert? Yes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What a fun event that is, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>That was a great time. I'm looking forward to the

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<v Speaker 2>next one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me too. I know this is That was my

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<v Speaker 1>second one. And I just plan on going every single year.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just, I don't want to miss it. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick Pope, who we lost months ago, used to call

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<v Speaker 1>that the burning man of UFOs. I thought that was

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<v Speaker 1>well put. And not really that far from there.

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<v Speaker 2>Good description.

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<v Speaker 1>And so at some point I want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>you because I had mentioned as I was announcing you

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming on my show that you also had quite an

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<v Speaker 1>experience where you fell out of the sky, basically over

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<v Speaker 1>3000 feet. And here you are, you're still here today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's quite a miracle. But we'll talk about that a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit later on. So how did you get interested

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<v Speaker 1>in the UFO topic to begin with?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess as far as the topic itself, certainly a

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<v Speaker 2>wide area to that and began probably in childhood with

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<v Speaker 2>television shows from Lost in Space, Star Trek, My Favorite Martian,

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<v Speaker 2>I Dream of Jeannie, all those things that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>alluded to extraterrestrial or outer space. And then there were

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<v Speaker 2>reports now and then about the UFO being sighted. And

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<v Speaker 2>so there was always a little bit of interest that way,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the, just the idea that it was always

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<v Speaker 2>possible just because of the indoctrination through, through the TV

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<v Speaker 2>shows that were there. Over the years, I didn't always

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, busy with life, busy with, once I

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<v Speaker 2>got older, working, and then later in, in the Air Force,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had certainly an interest in things that I

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<v Speaker 2>saw in the air, and always paying attention, thinking that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe someday I'll see something. A few years later, the

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<v Speaker 2>shows come out with ancient aliens and things like that

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<v Speaker 2>and unsolved mysteries and really more interest when those type

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<v Speaker 2>of things would come on. And then at a time

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<v Speaker 2>when I was working overseas with talking to one of

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<v Speaker 2>my friends and we'd talk about the different things that

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<v Speaker 2>were shown and I'd always say, man, nobody ever gets

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<v Speaker 2>a good picture. Everything's always blurry. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>one of these days I'm going to get I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to see something. I'm going to get pictures. I always,

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<v Speaker 2>from then on, I always kept the cameras with me

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<v Speaker 2>just about probably 98, 99% of the time. It was

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<v Speaker 2>always sometimes when I couldn't have it for different reasons, but,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I had it with me when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in Panama city beach, Florida, and saw something that I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what it was. I couldn't identify it as

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<v Speaker 2>a normal aircraft or helicopter and, Something weird that I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I started taking pictures. And that's later after

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<v Speaker 2>different attempts to find out what it was through different

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<v Speaker 2>UFO organizations. And I'm going to publish a book with

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<v Speaker 2>it and see where it goes from there and share

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<v Speaker 2>my story that way.

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<v Speaker 1>And how's that gone for you? How's the book? Has

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<v Speaker 1>the book been well-received?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's been well-received. I've had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people that have spoken to me one-on-one since the book

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<v Speaker 2>and said, hey, I saw this and I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it was. I never told anybody. People, I saw something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a range. Some people talk about they saw something

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<v Speaker 2>come out of the water. They didn't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Other people talk about seeing something in the air. As

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<v Speaker 2>far as reception that way, people that have spoken to

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<v Speaker 2>me they liked it i'm sure not everybody does and

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<v Speaker 2>as far as i say how it's been receptive in

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<v Speaker 2>sales i wouldn't say it's a blockbuster or anything like

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<v Speaker 2>that but it keeps plugging along.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah what's up it's hard to get first of

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<v Speaker 1>all to capture anything and for you just to have

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<v Speaker 1>done that a few times i think is really something

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<v Speaker 1>because i have to tell you when i had I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a situation like you where I would think

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<v Speaker 1>that I would, I'm that way now. I could grab

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<v Speaker 1>my phone out of my pocket and film something quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>But when I had my first, when I had my

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<v Speaker 1>UFO sighting at first in 2007, if I had a

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<v Speaker 1>phone next to me, of course they didn't have that

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<v Speaker 1>ability at that time, or much of an ability for pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I had a camera next to me, I

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<v Speaker 1>would not have thought to pick it up and film

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<v Speaker 1>or take pictures. I just, Just it wouldn't occur to

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<v Speaker 1>me because I was in the moment. What is this thing?

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<v Speaker 1>That type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So I get it. Yeah. So in that sense, I

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<v Speaker 2>did when I first saw it and looked at it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not an aircraft. It's not a helicopter. I had

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<v Speaker 2>and take pictures and video. And I did that probably

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<v Speaker 2>snapped off probably about 30 pictures right away with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I set it down and then I picked

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<v Speaker 2>up like, a regular camera, 35 millimeter camera with a

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<v Speaker 2>zoom lens and started taking pictures. Cause I had that

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<v Speaker 2>with me as well. And that, when I say keep

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<v Speaker 2>my camera with me, that's what I'm talking about. Not

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<v Speaker 2>just my phone. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the phones today are much better. The newer phones

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<v Speaker 1>that will actually zoom because the old phones, when you'd zoom,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be all distorted and you just couldn't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the new ones are, they're much more capable of

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. But yeah, to have a real good camera

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<v Speaker 1>with you with a zoom lens, that makes a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>So I actually have some of those pictures up and

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<v Speaker 1>I had grouped some of them together just to show

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<v Speaker 1>our audience. And also, if you're listening to this audio,

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<v Speaker 1>I will have the images in the show notes. All

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<v Speaker 1>are inside of the right inside the text of this show.

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<v Speaker 1>So this one is I do believe this one was.

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<v Speaker 1>One you have on your book, right? This particular one? Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't sure if you were able to see

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<v Speaker 1>that or not, but now on these, these pictures here,

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<v Speaker 1>what are these two that we're looking at right here?

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<v Speaker 2>To tell you exactly what it is. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is. So I know you've taken them out

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<v Speaker 2>of sequence there a little bit. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>the one on the left is from a 1012. So

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<v Speaker 2>that is a section of it that looks like it's

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<v Speaker 2>an eye. of the craft. There's one on each side

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And when I used a filter on it,

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to see different areas in the object.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is one of them that came out that

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<v Speaker 2>just looked very odd to me. It could be natural

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<v Speaker 2>or it could be something that was machined. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry about that. That's all right. Yep. Put it on

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<v Speaker 2>do not disturb, but that doesn't matter. I guess some

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<v Speaker 2>people are still going to come through, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was odd in there. It looks, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>weird in the section of it where I say it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like an eye. The other picture that you had

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<v Speaker 2>up was that object 112 that changed the Very distracting.

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<v Speaker 2>It changed into, it went from that object 112, so

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<v Speaker 2>that next picture of the team. And so it's doing

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<v Speaker 2>some type of change. I don't know what it's doing

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<v Speaker 2>other than to say it's transforming itself like a metamorphosis.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know exactly what it is, what it's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And then after that circular shot, Then it came out,

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<v Speaker 2>and a few seconds later, back into a shape that

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<v Speaker 2>was very similar to the one it started in. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry I have these out of sequence. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>looking to see if I can find the original.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay. Those are more in sequence than I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to see that one section of it threw me

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<v Speaker 2>for a section versus the whole picture. That was good.

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<v Speaker 1>I see. Okay. All right. And were these taken, you

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<v Speaker 1>said 2000, did you say 2012? 2012. What are the

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<v Speaker 1>spans of all these pictures that you've taken?

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<v Speaker 2>These were taken in 2019.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And the span is about a three-hour section of time

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<v Speaker 2>over the course of three hours. They're all in sequence

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<v Speaker 2>of that three-hour time that I was able to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I got it. I got it. And the video

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<v Speaker 1>as well?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, so this was all one sighting? Yep. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is what's really strange is when I put up

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<v Speaker 1>these pictures, these were part of it as well? Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, wow.

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<v Speaker 1>That is weird how it could have changed as much

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<v Speaker 1>as it did. And how about this one right here?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this, this is showing, and I was wondering if you,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was just filters that you used to see this?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. I think that is picture 1065. When I took

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<v Speaker 2>in front of the lens of the camera. But wearing

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<v Speaker 2>and I took a picture. When I downloaded the pictures,

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<v Speaker 2>polarized sunglasses, which are filters in itself, and our eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>was able to find it on filters and it's that

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<v Speaker 2>very light circular object the arrow is pointing to which

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<v Speaker 2>when you look in the video you can see the

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<v Speaker 1>And these images here are different filters or things that

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of them have filters on them, yeah. The

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I combined all these together just because of the

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<v Speaker 1>not in order of any type.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So one of the, one of the, the, the,

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<v Speaker 2>the order I thought was important for several of them

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<v Speaker 2>in a shape. Then it went through the transformation and

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<v Speaker 2>then it came back in, in a similar shape. So

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<v Speaker 2>that was why when I see them in that order.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. So I apologize for that. It's the, the

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<v Speaker 1>program that I have here, I just can't get them

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<v Speaker 1>up that many pictures. It just does not have the capability.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did get the video. I don't know. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you like me to play that now? Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see how it comes up.

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<v Speaker 1>And also anyone in chat that's in there, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have any questions for the guests, just make sure you

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<v Speaker 1>put them in all caps and I'll try to get

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<v Speaker 1>to them. Here we go with this. So this starts

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<v Speaker 1>out for slow motion here. And so would you have

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<v Speaker 1>any guess at all about how far up this was

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<v Speaker 1>far away from you? It would just be a guess.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a couple of miles away, maybe 5,000

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<v Speaker 2>feet high, 10,000 at times when it was moving around.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've heard people say, well, could you see something

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<v Speaker 2>like that? And I said, what I saw initially was

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<v Speaker 2>the bright shining part of it, which is you can

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<v Speaker 2>think about in a survival situation, many people are saved

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<v Speaker 2>by using a mirror. shining it at the sun and

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<v Speaker 2>flashing it to an aircraft passing overhead. And that could

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<v Speaker 2>be 5, 10, 15 miles away. You could see these flashes.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what I saw initially. And then I started

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<v Speaker 2>videoing it and taking pictures of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Some of this is your handshaking, I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that little bit right there was handshake, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Now, is this with the better camera of the

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<v Speaker 1>two that you had with you? Yes. And so you

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<v Speaker 1>took this and this is where you got the stills from?

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<v Speaker 1>You enlarged and you got the stills from?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>No? A whole different thing?

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<v Speaker 2>All the still pictures were taken separately as a separate

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<v Speaker 2>image of each picture.

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<v Speaker 1>I see. Okay. And So once you took those, that's

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<v Speaker 1>when you started looking at them, you could see that

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<v Speaker 1>the thing was morphing and changing and all that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. I could see I was doing that with my eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Something weird was happening to it, but I couldn't see

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<v Speaker 2>the detail until I zoomed in on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And was there anyone else there with you also seeing this,

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<v Speaker 1>or were you by yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>I was by myself in the We're in the hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on a balcony. But there were many people,

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<v Speaker 2>ground level. None of them were looking up that I

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<v Speaker 2>could see.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, really?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of times that, I don't know, I've had.

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<v Speaker 1>I was on the back of a boat in Miami

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<v Speaker 1>and thought I was seeing a UFO. Ended up being,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a plane pulling a banner and

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<v Speaker 1>just the angle of it. It looked like this thing morphing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I took video of it. And I was saying

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<v Speaker 1>to other people around me, look at that, look at

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<v Speaker 1>that over there. And they're like, all right, buddy, go away.

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<v Speaker 2>I did it. And there's some things look weird. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you try to take pictures and identify them, but

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<v Speaker 2>nobody's identified it yet. If they haven't come forward or

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect somebody, person or agency or whatever group may

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<v Speaker 2>have seen these things before, may be aware of them.

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<v Speaker 2>but nothing has officially been identified.

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<v Speaker 1>Has anyone suggested that it might be like a partially

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<v Speaker 1>inflated mylar?

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard that a few times, but what happens to

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<v Speaker 2>a partially inflated mylar?

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<v Speaker 1>It inflates the higher it goes. Really, the gas expands,

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<v Speaker 1>and they usually break in the upper. They usually expand

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<v Speaker 1>and pop, basically, what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what?

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<v Speaker 1>Then it would just come down.

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<v Speaker 2>They stayed up there for three hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, three hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was the wind like that day? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember anything like that?

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<v Speaker 2>At the surface level, it seemed to be mild. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you get into altitudes, it's hard to say. Different layers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really interesting. And I'm glad you were able to

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<v Speaker 1>share that and get that out there and move on.

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<v Speaker 1>And you said you reported it a couple of different places? Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Did i think it's a national ufo organization i made

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<v Speaker 2>a report that was public became public knowledge because i

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<v Speaker 2>saw it was picked up on on other websites had

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<v Speaker 2>posted it and posted some of the video that i

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<v Speaker 2>have out on youtube and that was the british earth

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<v Speaker 2>and aerial mystery society was the first website organization that

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<v Speaker 2>I saw had it. They speculated that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>crypto creature. I had never personally thought about creatures, crypto creature,

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<v Speaker 2>or any type of biologic being And our atmospheres are

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<v Speaker 2>flying around in outer space until then. But then I

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it and why couldn't it be true? I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's certainly a possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I have a audio blog that I put out

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<v Speaker 1>in a blog written by Charles Lear that has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with that exact same thing. People claiming over the

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<v Speaker 1>years that these things could be alive in the atmosphere. And,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, check that out on our YouTube channels there.

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<v Speaker 1>That I can't remember exact creatures in the sky, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's called. So this is we have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of questions here. How steady was the directional movement of

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<v Speaker 1>the object?

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to say directional movement since it stayed in

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<v Speaker 2>the relatively the same section of the sky that I

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at. But the fast movement of it was

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<v Speaker 2>when it was transforming itself, as you see in the

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<v Speaker 2>video and then. It's certainly stable on its own. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't perceive it to be unstable. I just perceive it

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<v Speaker 2>to be doing something that I don't know what it's doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And so sometimes it would stop and then you could

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<v Speaker 1>see the movement. It's kind of hard to tell on

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<v Speaker 1>the video. It looks like it's moving in the video.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, but it would stop, would it hover for

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<v Speaker 1>a while and then move again? That type of thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. And so some of that movement, when... The object itself,

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<v Speaker 2>when you look at the pictures, you look at the video,

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<v Speaker 2>you can see that those bright areas, at first I

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<v Speaker 2>thought they were lights blinking, but when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the pictures, you can see it's not an ordinary light.

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<v Speaker 2>It's part of the skin of the object. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>moving to me like an octopus or a cuttlefish would

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<v Speaker 2>move the colors around on its skin. Those bright areas

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<v Speaker 2>are small, they're large, they move around, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>seems that they consume it, and then it spins at

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<v Speaker 2>a tremendous high rate of speed, like that other picture

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<v Speaker 2>you saw, number 13, looked like a large donut. And

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<v Speaker 2>then it disappears, like it's a solid object, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just so fast, not even a second, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>comes back into view, and it's in a new shape, multispectral.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an intriguing, that's perfectly round circle right there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something. And did it eventually go away?

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And how did it leave? Did it go quickly or slowly?

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<v Speaker 2>Very quickly. I was not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>stay there all day where I was because I had

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<v Speaker 2>an event that I was going to that evening. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember thinking, like, I hope this object goes away

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<v Speaker 2>pretty soon. I'm going to be late. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>stay here all day looking at it. And then it

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<v Speaker 2>just faded right in pretty quickly, just went right out

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<v Speaker 2>of sight.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>There's another question here. Do you think it was from

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<v Speaker 1>Elgin Air Force Base? Did that cross your mind? That

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<v Speaker 1>would have to be some type of experimental craft or

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<v Speaker 1>something if it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's Eglin. Is that how it's pronounced down there?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's all right. That's all right. Not a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>But anything's possible there. Eglin's not the only base in

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<v Speaker 2>the Panhandle. The Panhandle has a lot of military activity,

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<v Speaker 2>probably one of the largest, if not the largest by landmass,

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<v Speaker 2>what would be considered base property, hundreds of thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>acres where they do all kinds of experiments out there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was actually closer to Tyndall Air Force Base

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<v Speaker 2>than I was to Eglin Air Force Base. So anything's possible.

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<v Speaker 2>I would want usually experiments and things like that. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I've never noticed them before, but that was something that

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<v Speaker 2>would be highly classified in nature. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 2>generally test them over populated areas along there, although they

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<v Speaker 2>could get up in that. Eglin Air Force Base or

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<v Speaker 2>up in the National Forest up there, and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>as populated, but they're still. You've got the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the day populated areas. Testing grounds for those ultra-secret projects

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<v Speaker 2>are generally considered to be somewhere over the desert, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the secret bases out there, which Area 51 was

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<v Speaker 2>long associated with experiments like that. So anything's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah. So this person wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>know what you thought about the files. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you looked into them, about all the video files

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<v Speaker 1>that are released and documents, things like that. I want

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<v Speaker 1>your opinion, what you think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that what's being released is mostly all information

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<v Speaker 2>that's already been released over the years or recently. There's

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<v Speaker 2>really no groundbreaking findings. proof of anything that's been released

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<v Speaker 2>other than you do have officials. You had President Obama

425
00:25:28.789 --> 00:25:31.809
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago, and he said, hey, there's

426
00:25:31.849 --> 00:25:33.690
<v Speaker 2>something out there, something up there, and we don't know

427
00:25:33.730 --> 00:25:37.049
<v Speaker 2>what it is. So that's disclosure right there, but just

428
00:25:37.369 --> 00:25:43.640
<v Speaker 2>not seeing something that's an actual craft or object or

429
00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 2>humanoid or non-human intelligence. I think when it's time to

430
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:53.119
<v Speaker 2>be released, it will, and the probably the government won't

431
00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:57.660
<v Speaker 2>have full control of it. It'll be apparent to everybody

432
00:25:57.700 --> 00:25:58.359
<v Speaker 2>when it happens.

433
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've often wondered about that, if this is going

434
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:07.980
<v Speaker 1>to be like a controlled situation or what they really

435
00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:10.859
<v Speaker 1>know and don't know. Hopefully we'll find out eventually here.

436
00:26:11.779 --> 00:26:16.849
<v Speaker 1>So this is from Chief Von Beef. Thanks for the question. Scott,

437
00:26:16.869 --> 00:26:22.029
<v Speaker 1>given your pararescue background, did the weather balloon explanation ring

438
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:24.859
<v Speaker 1>true to you at the time or did your training

439
00:26:25.420 --> 00:26:26.289
<v Speaker 1>make you question it?

440
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.640
<v Speaker 2>When I heard it, it did not ring true at all.

441
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:36.049
<v Speaker 2>Look at that. That's been the common, maybe the common,

442
00:26:36.089 --> 00:26:39.450
<v Speaker 2>one of the very common explanations is the things we

443
00:26:39.509 --> 00:26:42.789
<v Speaker 2>see are weather balloons. If you can go online and

444
00:26:42.809 --> 00:26:45.569
<v Speaker 2>you can Google pictures of weather balloons.

445
00:26:45.589 --> 00:26:46.730
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've seen them.

446
00:26:47.130 --> 00:26:49.500
<v Speaker 2>You can see a lot of different amazing shapes of

447
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 2>weather balloons, but they don't change shape. They don't disappear.

448
00:26:53.259 --> 00:26:59.279
<v Speaker 2>They stay in a fixed shape. So I didn't think

449
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:03.829
<v Speaker 2>that at all. I've been part of releasing smaller weather balloons,

450
00:27:03.950 --> 00:27:08.190
<v Speaker 2>just small round ones out with combat control team members

451
00:27:08.369 --> 00:27:10.750
<v Speaker 2>and some of the things we've done there when we're

452
00:27:10.869 --> 00:27:13.019
<v Speaker 2>out in the field or wherever it might be and

453
00:27:13.259 --> 00:27:16.200
<v Speaker 2>getting weather data and releasing the smaller weather balloons, which

454
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:19.500
<v Speaker 2>I did not think that this was in any way,

455
00:27:19.579 --> 00:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>shape or form, anything that I'd ever had a part

456
00:27:21.859 --> 00:27:24.970
<v Speaker 2>of as a balloon. And I just thought it was

457
00:27:24.990 --> 00:27:28.410
<v Speaker 2>a brush off to me to be told that it

458
00:27:28.470 --> 00:27:31.930
<v Speaker 2>was a weather balloon and where that came from. I

459
00:27:31.930 --> 00:27:34.789
<v Speaker 2>know Martin, if you've read my book or not, but

460
00:27:34.829 --> 00:27:38.670
<v Speaker 2>I detail my whole story in there. And that part

461
00:27:38.779 --> 00:27:42.680
<v Speaker 2>of it was early on when I took these pictures.

462
00:27:43.269 --> 00:27:46.230
<v Speaker 2>And then I downloaded them to my laptop a few

463
00:27:46.269 --> 00:27:51.019
<v Speaker 2>weeks later. And I saw the object much clearer. And

464
00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:53.619
<v Speaker 2>I thought, wow, this is weird. This is like nothing

465
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.579
<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen before. I don't know what it is.

466
00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:02.579
<v Speaker 2>But it might possibly be a government project. And my

467
00:28:02.619 --> 00:28:05.250
<v Speaker 2>thought was, I'm not going to release it if it is.

468
00:28:05.269 --> 00:28:09.589
<v Speaker 2>I've been in the military 22 years. I'm a patriot,

469
00:28:09.849 --> 00:28:11.609
<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, where it's like, hey, if

470
00:28:11.630 --> 00:28:14.720
<v Speaker 2>we got a secret project, I don't want anybody but

471
00:28:15.099 --> 00:28:18.380
<v Speaker 2>our own government to be aware of it. So I

472
00:28:19.369 --> 00:28:24.190
<v Speaker 2>contacted one of my friends, military, active, still active, told

473
00:28:24.210 --> 00:28:26.750
<v Speaker 2>them what was up, going on. They could say, I

474
00:28:26.769 --> 00:28:29.250
<v Speaker 2>can see you're pretty excited about it. Send me some pictures.

475
00:28:30.829 --> 00:28:34.200
<v Speaker 2>I'll get them to an analyst and find out what

476
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:38.420
<v Speaker 2>this is. I said, great. A few weeks later, I

477
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:43.680
<v Speaker 2>got word back. My friend said, contact. The analyst said

478
00:28:43.740 --> 00:28:47.660
<v Speaker 2>that they don't know what it is. I think, okay,

479
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 2>this is a highly trained military analyst that doesn't know

480
00:28:50.569 --> 00:28:54.420
<v Speaker 2>what this is. So, but they will send them, they're

481
00:28:54.460 --> 00:28:56.769
<v Speaker 2>going to send them to another agency that has a

482
00:28:56.809 --> 00:29:02.349
<v Speaker 2>better capability to analyze pictures. And I said, great, that'd

483
00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:04.950
<v Speaker 2>be great. We'll find out what it is. And I

484
00:29:06.289 --> 00:29:09.029
<v Speaker 2>don't know who that was. And I don't know which

485
00:29:09.130 --> 00:29:11.390
<v Speaker 2>agency it was. I never asked and said, all right,

486
00:29:11.450 --> 00:29:14.549
<v Speaker 2>that's great. and if it was something that came back

487
00:29:14.609 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>and said, yep, this is classified, and you have signed

488
00:29:19.519 --> 00:29:22.940
<v Speaker 2>previous NDAs for your job and things you've been involved in,

489
00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:26.380
<v Speaker 2>and we want you to sign another one, I would

490
00:29:26.420 --> 00:29:30.240
<v Speaker 2>have done it, but a couple weeks later, I get

491
00:29:30.299 --> 00:29:35.930
<v Speaker 2>back word that from whoever analyzed them said that it's

492
00:29:35.970 --> 00:29:40.980
<v Speaker 2>a weather balloon, and when I heard that, I thought, man,

493
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.089
<v Speaker 2>that's just the same brush off that everybody gets.

494
00:29:44.109 --> 00:29:46.930
<v Speaker 1>I think it's like the number one, someone just wrote

495
00:29:46.970 --> 00:29:50.150
<v Speaker 1>in the chat, the number one, it's in the number

496
00:29:50.230 --> 00:29:53.410
<v Speaker 1>one debunk column is the weather balloon.

497
00:29:54.589 --> 00:29:57.490
<v Speaker 2>Then I reached out. It's okay. Nope. They don't care. Obviously,

498
00:29:57.509 --> 00:29:59.069
<v Speaker 2>if it's a weather balloon, they're going to tell me

499
00:29:59.109 --> 00:30:00.890
<v Speaker 2>that they don't care what I do with them. So

500
00:30:00.950 --> 00:30:04.250
<v Speaker 2>I reached out to a few different people that were

501
00:30:04.490 --> 00:30:07.690
<v Speaker 2>well-known in the UFO community. And the one person that

502
00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:11.089
<v Speaker 2>I went back and forth with was Nick Pope. We

503
00:30:11.430 --> 00:30:13.930
<v Speaker 2>communicated about these pictures and we had a little in

504
00:30:13.970 --> 00:30:17.380
<v Speaker 2>common ground because I was stationed in England, two of

505
00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:21.890
<v Speaker 2>my assignments. And I was at Woodbridge and right there

506
00:30:21.910 --> 00:30:24.470
<v Speaker 2>at Rendlesham Forest. So we talked about that a little bit.

507
00:30:24.539 --> 00:30:30.539
<v Speaker 2>And I sent him some pictures and he said, he

508
00:30:30.579 --> 00:30:32.279
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what it was. I said, I don't know

509
00:30:32.900 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 2>what to do with them. He said, you should submit

510
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:38.259
<v Speaker 2>a report to MUFON and other organizations. And I did.

511
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.140
<v Speaker 2>And I also, in the back of my mind, knowing

512
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>that these reports will never go anywhere. And I'm thinking

513
00:30:45.420 --> 00:30:48.849
<v Speaker 2>the only way to get this out is to publish it.

514
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:53.119
<v Speaker 2>So it is my report in my own, I don't

515
00:30:53.140 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 2>know what it is. I'm just taking pictures and writing

516
00:30:56.779 --> 00:30:59.180
<v Speaker 2>what I see and what I think it might be

517
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.099
<v Speaker 2>or might be doing. I don't know. It's all guesses.

518
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 2>But Nick said, yeah, get it out there. Maybe somebody

519
00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:07.000
<v Speaker 2>will come out of the woodwork that knows what it is.

520
00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>And so that's what I did. Yeah.

521
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:15.849
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Let's see. This is another question here from Dr. Richard.

522
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:20.500
<v Speaker 1>Can't lightweight materials be carried high into the sky by

523
00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>the air currents? Yeah, but they're not going to be

524
00:31:26.049 --> 00:31:31.089
<v Speaker 1>flying off fast. That's the difference right there. So, in

525
00:31:31.130 --> 00:31:33.690
<v Speaker 1>my opinion of the story you're telling me, if this

526
00:31:33.710 --> 00:31:37.349
<v Speaker 1>thing took off fast, then that kind of makes all

527
00:31:37.410 --> 00:31:41.109
<v Speaker 1>those theories, including a weather balloon, just fall apart, really.

528
00:31:41.349 --> 00:31:45.250
<v Speaker 2>Certainly, lightweight things, other things can be blown into the

529
00:31:45.390 --> 00:31:48.519
<v Speaker 2>air by the wind, but When the wind stops, they

530
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:50.839
<v Speaker 2>fall to the ground or they just continue to blow away.

531
00:31:51.140 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 2>This didn't do that.

532
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>And how long did you, could you repeat how long

533
00:31:54.980 --> 00:31:57.769
<v Speaker 1>was this in the air that you were there watching it?

534
00:31:58.109 --> 00:32:01.730
<v Speaker 2>On my sighting, it could have been there longer before

535
00:32:01.789 --> 00:32:05.690
<v Speaker 2>I first noticed it. But over the time I saw

536
00:32:05.730 --> 00:32:07.309
<v Speaker 2>it was about three and a half hours.

537
00:32:08.019 --> 00:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a long time to see something in one area.

538
00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:14.160
<v Speaker 1>A long time. If it was something just drifting in

539
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the wind or whatever, it would have been gone forever.

540
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:21.569
<v Speaker 1>within 20 minutes, really, realistically, I would think. I'm no expert,

541
00:32:21.609 --> 00:32:25.309
<v Speaker 1>but I'm just thinking that makes sense that it would

542
00:32:25.329 --> 00:32:29.670
<v Speaker 1>be gone pretty quickly. And wow, so that's a long time.

543
00:32:29.730 --> 00:32:32.819
<v Speaker 1>And that's a lot of patience because I've heard other

544
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:37.380
<v Speaker 1>people say that they have, my producer's mother, they were

545
00:32:37.420 --> 00:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>all watching this UFO and she just got bored and

546
00:32:39.740 --> 00:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>walked in the house. That's what people do a lot

547
00:32:42.180 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 1>of times.

548
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.730
<v Speaker 2>Looking back on it, I had my focus on a

549
00:32:45.809 --> 00:32:50.450
<v Speaker 2>couple other things that day where I had my goal

550
00:32:50.970 --> 00:32:53.470
<v Speaker 2>set for the pushups. I had a goal for the year,

551
00:32:53.589 --> 00:32:55.450
<v Speaker 2>so I didn't want to get too far behind and

552
00:32:55.509 --> 00:32:58.529
<v Speaker 2>end up making up 10 or 20,000 pushups in a day.

553
00:32:58.549 --> 00:33:03.049
<v Speaker 2>I was focused on my pushups, and then I was

554
00:33:03.109 --> 00:33:06.970
<v Speaker 2>also preparing for a presentation that evening. So I would

555
00:33:06.990 --> 00:33:10.609
<v Speaker 2>do a set of pushups, and then I was kind

556
00:33:10.630 --> 00:33:13.069
<v Speaker 2>of preparing to go over a little bit of my

557
00:33:13.589 --> 00:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>rehearsing process. for the night's presentation and extemporaneous speaking. A

558
00:33:20.059 --> 00:33:23.279
<v Speaker 2>lot of rehearsal goes into that. And so when I

559
00:33:23.299 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>was doing pushups and I caught that light, that flash,

560
00:33:27.529 --> 00:33:32.210
<v Speaker 2>that bright object, and then I looked up, I watched it,

561
00:33:32.329 --> 00:33:35.230
<v Speaker 2>realized it wasn't, started taking pictures, but my focus did

562
00:33:35.269 --> 00:33:38.930
<v Speaker 2>not stay on that object. Looking back, I wish it

563
00:33:39.009 --> 00:33:42.049
<v Speaker 2>had have stayed there and I could have put the

564
00:33:42.410 --> 00:33:45.730
<v Speaker 2>pushups off for another day. and just focus more and

565
00:33:45.829 --> 00:33:48.470
<v Speaker 2>taking more video and more pictures and everything like that.

566
00:33:48.539 --> 00:33:51.200
<v Speaker 2>But so I do a set of pushups. I see it. Oh,

567
00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:54.000
<v Speaker 2>it's still there. I'll take more pictures. I do a

568
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.700
<v Speaker 2>set of pushups. Oh, it's still there. Take more pictures.

569
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.549
<v Speaker 2>Do a set of pushups. Go rehearse. Oh, it's still

570
00:33:59.619 --> 00:34:02.910
<v Speaker 2>out there. Take more pictures. And so that went on.

571
00:34:02.930 --> 00:34:04.089
<v Speaker 2>And then later, I was like, I got to take

572
00:34:04.109 --> 00:34:06.670
<v Speaker 2>a shower. I took a shower. 30 minutes later, oh,

573
00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:08.989
<v Speaker 2>it's still out there. I took a few more pictures.

574
00:34:09.909 --> 00:34:12.570
<v Speaker 2>And then this went on during that time period, like

575
00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:15.929
<v Speaker 2>say three, three and a half hours. And so I

576
00:34:15.949 --> 00:34:18.460
<v Speaker 2>didn't give it the full attention that I wish I

577
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.739
<v Speaker 2>had have given to it. Hindsight looking back, it's like, man,

578
00:34:21.780 --> 00:34:25.699
<v Speaker 2>if I ever see that again, take pictures until I

579
00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:28.929
<v Speaker 2>run out of battery or disk space. Yeah.

580
00:34:29.469 --> 00:34:31.250
<v Speaker 1>I was out last year, I was out at Mount

581
00:34:31.289 --> 00:34:35.849
<v Speaker 1>Shasta and they had an object like that. I think

582
00:34:35.909 --> 00:34:38.809
<v Speaker 1>it was for a whole hour. And everybody was outside

583
00:34:39.030 --> 00:34:41.849
<v Speaker 1>taking pictures of it. And it was in the local

584
00:34:41.889 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 1>newspaper and all that. I have a picture somewhere of it.

585
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.059
<v Speaker 1>But it was just like an orb just floating there.

586
00:34:48.980 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 1>And it looked almost like a moon, that bright during

587
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.639
<v Speaker 1>the day, bright white, just sitting there. It's so bizarre.

588
00:34:57.269 --> 00:34:59.309
<v Speaker 1>But I'm glad that you did that. You took the

589
00:34:59.349 --> 00:35:02.510
<v Speaker 1>time to at least document what you saw. And like

590
00:35:02.550 --> 00:35:04.230
<v Speaker 1>you said, I don't know if anyone will ever know

591
00:35:04.869 --> 00:35:08.809
<v Speaker 1>what it really was or not, but There are sightings

592
00:35:08.889 --> 00:35:11.610
<v Speaker 1>in that area. The Gulf Breeze is not that far

593
00:35:11.670 --> 00:35:14.909
<v Speaker 1>from there where there was all those sightings. And some people,

594
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.800
<v Speaker 1>there's some part of that that may have been some

595
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:21.639
<v Speaker 1>hoaxing going on. I don't really know 100% of that

596
00:35:22.219 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 1>particular case, the Gulf Breeze. There's stories about that both ways.

597
00:35:26.539 --> 00:35:29.739
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of controversy about that. But I know

598
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.500
<v Speaker 1>that in Florida in general, there's a lot of sightings.

599
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:35.570
<v Speaker 1>Part of that has to do with the nice weather

600
00:35:35.590 --> 00:35:38.920
<v Speaker 1>and people out a lot of it. time, but was

601
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.500
<v Speaker 1>this object actually over the water itself?

602
00:35:43.110 --> 00:35:47.269
<v Speaker 2>No, it was inland probably, you know, how many miles?

603
00:35:47.289 --> 00:35:51.650
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, five miles, 10 miles inland. When I

604
00:35:51.710 --> 00:35:53.409
<v Speaker 2>saw it, it was not over the water.

605
00:35:54.769 --> 00:35:59.340
<v Speaker 1>Ah, okay. All right. Here's a question here for you. Scott,

606
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.820
<v Speaker 1>what did you learn from the photos that you didn't

607
00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:03.940
<v Speaker 1>realize while you were watching the object?

608
00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:16.579
<v Speaker 2>So the photos, being able to enlarge it and study

609
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:21.570
<v Speaker 2>it and seeing more detail in there and seeing the

610
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:28.349
<v Speaker 2>more detail that I have with the photos itself, I

611
00:36:28.369 --> 00:36:36.150
<v Speaker 2>lean toward this object being biological under some type of

612
00:36:37.530 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 2>intelligent control. maybe of its own intelligent control or an

613
00:36:42.739 --> 00:36:47.860
<v Speaker 2>outside source controlling it. But it just appears to me

614
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>to have on certain pictures, eyes, a mouth, and it's

615
00:36:55.380 --> 00:36:58.389
<v Speaker 2>really weird in that sense. So I didn't learn what

616
00:36:58.429 --> 00:37:00.369
<v Speaker 2>it was. I don't know what it was. It's just

617
00:37:00.409 --> 00:37:03.469
<v Speaker 2>what I see and what I might perceive. And I'm

618
00:37:03.489 --> 00:37:05.170
<v Speaker 2>not to say that you look at everything, you see

619
00:37:05.210 --> 00:37:10.900
<v Speaker 2>a face and everything, but I've seen large creatures on

620
00:37:11.340 --> 00:37:15.380
<v Speaker 2>different documentaries from three or four, five, six, seven, eight

621
00:37:15.420 --> 00:37:19.880
<v Speaker 2>miles deep. And they have these huge eyes and all

622
00:37:19.900 --> 00:37:24.510
<v Speaker 2>these different characteristics to them, fluttering wings and things like that.

623
00:37:24.590 --> 00:37:27.829
<v Speaker 2>And I think that resembles what this object is doing

624
00:37:27.889 --> 00:37:32.429
<v Speaker 2>at certain times. And even in closer to the surface,

625
00:37:32.469 --> 00:37:37.349
<v Speaker 2>you catch a 800 pound creature. blue marlin and it's

626
00:37:38.090 --> 00:37:43.110
<v Speaker 2>got an eye that's half as big as your head practically.

627
00:37:43.949 --> 00:37:46.150
<v Speaker 1>Right yep i was just looking to see if i

628
00:37:46.170 --> 00:37:49.739
<v Speaker 1>could find any information on the sky creatures audio blog

629
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.159
<v Speaker 1>that's out there but i can't right now so let's

630
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>talk let's shift gears because i think this is fascinating

631
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<v Speaker 1>that you're here today with what happened to you can

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<v Speaker 1>you tell everyone exactly what happened when you were skydiving.

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<v Speaker 2>Military we didn't always call it skydiving even though that

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<v Speaker 2>certainly may have been what it was and we would

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<v Speaker 2>go we would go out to other drop zones and

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<v Speaker 2>to our on our skydiving stuff the incident you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about was a parachute accident that i was involved in

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<v Speaker 2>1987 i was my job in the air force as

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<v Speaker 2>a pararescue man combat rescue is the main mission but

640
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<v Speaker 2>humanitarian missions around the world oceans mountains jungles everywhere but

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<v Speaker 2>In the military, with the focus being what it is

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<v Speaker 2>with combat, we have an alert teams that we're on

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<v Speaker 2>call for different incidents around the world, whether it's combat

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<v Speaker 2>related or not. And at the time I was attached

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<v Speaker 2>to a SEAL team in Virginia Beach and we were

646
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<v Speaker 2>in an alert status, but we were going out to

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<v Speaker 2>do a, we called it a fun jump. And that

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<v Speaker 2>meaning that we were not jumping with hundreds of pounds

649
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.059
<v Speaker 2>of gear on our body. And it was in the daytime.

650
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 2>So it was going to be a nice, easy jump

651
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<v Speaker 2>just to stay in the local area and conduct training.

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<v Speaker 2>We jumped out of a Marine CH-46 helicopter at 13,000 feet.

653
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<v Speaker 2>Our plan was to free fall to 3,500 feet. And

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<v Speaker 2>whatever formation we had grouped up into, we were going

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<v Speaker 2>to break it off, fly away from each other, and

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<v Speaker 2>open our parachutes. So I did that. This was my

657
00:39:33.219 --> 00:39:39.130
<v Speaker 2>90th parachute, my 90th parachute jump. And I felt very comfortable,

658
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<v Speaker 2>able to fly to and away from other people and

659
00:39:43.610 --> 00:39:45.730
<v Speaker 2>link up and whatnot in the air. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>opened my canopy. Again, I don't remember any of this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just going off of what I've done my

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<v Speaker 2>previous 89 times. I remember, I remember jumping. And so

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<v Speaker 2>the normal procedures for our parachutes that we were wearing

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, we had a deployment handle that was

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<v Speaker 2>in a little pocket right here. And you reach in,

666
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<v Speaker 2>you grab the handle, you pull it away from you.

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<v Speaker 2>The pilot chute pops out and the parachute opening sequence.

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<v Speaker 2>And once the parachutes open, First thing that you do

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<v Speaker 2>is you reach up and grab risers, looking for your

670
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<v Speaker 2>steering toggles, and you're looking up to make sure that

671
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<v Speaker 2>the canopy's open and functioning properly. Sometime in that opening sequence,

672
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<v Speaker 2>there was another jumper still above me in free fall,

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<v Speaker 2>unable to turn away and avoid hitting me, and he

674
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<v Speaker 2>balled up in a cannonball position and crashed through the parachute,

675
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<v Speaker 2>destroyed the parachute, Knocked me unconscious, shattered my skull. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I went the rest of the way. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I had two cells. It was a canopy with cells.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there were nine cells in that particular canopy.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were two remaining open, which really didn't do

680
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<v Speaker 2>anything but spin me in a fast circle and estimated

681
00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:11.860
<v Speaker 2>that I hit the ground at about 100 miles an hour. God. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And you don't remember any of it. Any of this

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<v Speaker 1>really to speak of?

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<v Speaker 2>No, none of the accident itself. I don't remember any

685
00:41:19.900 --> 00:41:23.829
<v Speaker 2>of that. I don't remember jumping. I don't remember that

686
00:41:23.889 --> 00:41:27.170
<v Speaker 2>part on the ground. And only a couple of days later,

687
00:41:27.329 --> 00:41:32.130
<v Speaker 2>coming to at the ICU, intensive care section there at

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<v Speaker 2>Portsmouth Naval Hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>In Virginia. What was the, what was the ground like

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<v Speaker 1>at that, where you landed?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a frozen shrub area. I didn't land on

692
00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:46.719
<v Speaker 2>a tree. I landed on the ground, but it was,

693
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<v Speaker 2>there were trees around. It wasn't a, it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>clearing for the helicopter to land and they didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a rescue hoist on that helicopter. So they loitered in

696
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<v Speaker 2>the air as long as they could and they left

697
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:02.360
<v Speaker 2>and later they had to call a life flight. So

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<v Speaker 2>we landed on the ground about a mile away from

699
00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:09.239
<v Speaker 2>the drop zone. Another pararescue on the ground, Larry Hikamoto.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were, him and I, he and I were

701
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:15.590
<v Speaker 2>taking turns. pulling the rescue part of it where we

702
00:42:15.630 --> 00:42:18.690
<v Speaker 2>had to have a medic on the ground and so

703
00:42:18.730 --> 00:42:21.170
<v Speaker 2>he was on the ground I was jumping and so

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<v Speaker 2>the two guys that got to me were two of

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<v Speaker 2>the Navy SEALs and they started the sequence of actions

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<v Speaker 2>that ultimately saved my life and took about an hour

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<v Speaker 2>for them in a makeshift litter out of some small

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00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:41.619
<v Speaker 2>saplings they cut down and poncho liner that somebody had

709
00:42:41.699 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 2>and dragged me out to a clearing, life flight was

710
00:42:44.500 --> 00:42:47.400
<v Speaker 2>called in and I got a life flight ride to Portsmouth.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had mentioned, you asked me what I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>So that I told, like I'm talking, that memory right

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<v Speaker 2>there is my conscious memory. On the helicopter, I don't

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00:43:00.929 --> 00:43:05.050
<v Speaker 2>remember jumping. I remember standing up and then in ICU.

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<v Speaker 2>So my unconscious memory between them was at the time

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<v Speaker 2>of the accident, And I don't realize it's an accident.

717
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:17.260
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure what's going on. But I'm hovering

718
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:19.440
<v Speaker 2>above my body. But I'm not in my body. It's

719
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<v Speaker 2>very weird. But somehow I'm able to look down at

720
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<v Speaker 2>my body. I see the guys coming in. I see

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<v Speaker 2>them trying to take care of me. I'm disassociated with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It really doesn't affect me. I'm not interested in that

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<v Speaker 2>anymore at that point. And I'm surrounded by a light,

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<v Speaker 2>a white light, a soft white light, like if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go romantic, 40 watt light bulb, you're embraced

726
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<v Speaker 2>in it. And it was really, it just felt good.

727
00:43:46.829 --> 00:43:49.889
<v Speaker 2>I felt loved. Looking back, I know that was energy.

728
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<v Speaker 2>It was energy where we were all connected. But I

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00:43:52.909 --> 00:43:57.309
<v Speaker 2>also realized that there was a very bright area above me.

730
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<v Speaker 2>And in that light, it was so bright, I could

731
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<v Speaker 2>see three figures that were standing there. And I knew telepathically,

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<v Speaker 2>somehow I knew that I was going to them and

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<v Speaker 2>that they were there to meet me. And I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to them, which is weird. I'm not walking, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not running, I'm not in my body. But I look

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<v Speaker 2>at it as there was a transition because I feel

737
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<v Speaker 2>like I'm in my body, but I'm not in my body.

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<v Speaker 2>And once I got really close to them, I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get to see who it is because

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<v Speaker 2>I know them and I want to see who it is.

741
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<v Speaker 2>I know them, but I don't know who it is.

742
00:44:38.570 --> 00:44:40.510
<v Speaker 2>And I heard that voice that said, it's time to

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<v Speaker 2>go now. And it seemed like a second very quickly,

744
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. I had a million thoughts in my head.

745
00:44:48.309 --> 00:44:51.820
<v Speaker 2>I turned away from that light, which is weird because

746
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.039
<v Speaker 2>it's not physically turning, but I'm turning away from the

747
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.039
<v Speaker 2>light and it's like, God, I'm not ready to go yet.

748
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<v Speaker 2>And then that's the last part I remember there. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I wake up in the hospital. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't expecting this. This is really amazing. Really amazing.

751
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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of so many accounts of these near-death experiences,

752
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:16.940
<v Speaker 1>and I believe them. There's so many amazing things. Like

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00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.260
<v Speaker 1>you said, you saw those people coming to you and

754
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:23.119
<v Speaker 1>all that. People say that so many times over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they were people. Could have been people.

756
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.510
<v Speaker 2>I perceived it. All I could see was the figures.

757
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:30.530
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, but it felt like it.

758
00:45:31.889 --> 00:45:32.070
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

759
00:45:32.730 --> 00:45:32.989
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

760
00:45:33.230 --> 00:45:37.650
<v Speaker 1>And that's amazing that you survived, really. It's just, and

761
00:45:38.570 --> 00:45:40.619
<v Speaker 1>as we talked about off air, who knows if you

762
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<v Speaker 1>were awake and falling, if you would have tensed up

763
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>when that could have been, that could have been your

764
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<v Speaker 1>end right there.

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<v Speaker 2>And if any of your listeners, anybody likes country music,

766
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:56.320
<v Speaker 2>my good buddy, retired, medically retired pararescueman Donovan Chapman, he

767
00:45:56.360 --> 00:46:00.010
<v Speaker 2>was injured in Afghanistan and He's wrote a song. He's

768
00:46:00.050 --> 00:46:01.929
<v Speaker 2>got some songs. He's got a lot of songs out there,

769
00:46:01.989 --> 00:46:04.329
<v Speaker 2>Donovan Chapman. And it's called God, I'm Not Ready to

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<v Speaker 2>Go Yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's totally amazing story. Like I said, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>expecting it. And I really appreciate you telling us that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just going to take one quick look here.

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00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:19.980
<v Speaker 1>And the book, I'm going to have your book in

775
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:23.039
<v Speaker 1>the link in the show notes. So anyone that wants

776
00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:25.739
<v Speaker 1>to check that out, you'll be able to buy it.

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00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:27.260
<v Speaker 1>Is it on Amazon? I can't remember.

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00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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00:46:28.260 --> 00:46:30.500
<v Speaker 1>Yep. It's on Amazon. Okay. So that link will be

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes and just a couple of comments here.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for your service. And talking about bent waters

782
00:46:39.610 --> 00:46:45.429
<v Speaker 1>there and just real quickly. And, oh yeah, here's the

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00:46:45.469 --> 00:46:46.949
<v Speaker 1>question I had for you when I was hearing you

784
00:46:46.989 --> 00:46:49.849
<v Speaker 1>talk to all that whole thing. This person here wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to know, did it change the way you look at

786
00:46:51.969 --> 00:46:54.239
<v Speaker 1>risk and things like that? But I wanted to know also,

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00:46:55.260 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 1>did you ever dive? Did you ever parachute again? After that?

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00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.340
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Just over 500 more times.

789
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my God.

790
00:47:04.510 --> 00:47:04.619
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:06.230
<v Speaker 1>You kind of remind me of this guy that I

792
00:47:06.269 --> 00:47:10.909
<v Speaker 1>had on here called Scott Cassell. He was, he's has 20,000

793
00:47:10.909 --> 00:47:14.309
<v Speaker 1>hours under the water. He's been on a rebreather more

794
00:47:14.349 --> 00:47:16.989
<v Speaker 1>than any Navy SEAL. And he's the first one to

795
00:47:17.010 --> 00:47:21.559
<v Speaker 1>film a giant squid in the wild. And he's was

796
00:47:21.619 --> 00:47:23.400
<v Speaker 1>on shark week and all that, but he had a

797
00:47:23.619 --> 00:47:27.119
<v Speaker 1>USO encounter. But anyway, you remind me of him. He's,

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<v Speaker 1>There's a certain breed of people that are just extremely hardy.

799
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<v Speaker 1>And when you're telling them, talking about doing all those

800
00:47:32.969 --> 00:47:35.210
<v Speaker 1>pushups and things like, wow, superhuman.

801
00:47:35.329 --> 00:47:38.230
<v Speaker 2>I'm an average guy. The guys I work with, there's

802
00:47:38.289 --> 00:47:40.500
<v Speaker 2>a lot of above average guys. I just struggle to

803
00:47:40.539 --> 00:47:44.320
<v Speaker 2>keep up with them. You know, the jobs, the special ops,

804
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:47.340
<v Speaker 2>especially full of them. I saw one question. You scroll

805
00:47:47.360 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Speaker 2>through there. Someone said their father had served in Vietnam and.

806
00:47:50.369 --> 00:47:51.949
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm going to pull that back up again

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<v Speaker 1>if I can.

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<v Speaker 2>Those guys definitely didn't get the credit they deserve for

809
00:47:55.670 --> 00:47:59.570
<v Speaker 2>everything they did. Definitely heroes over there. Yes. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very hard for them when they came back. Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In Bentwater. Yeah. That was the sister base to a

812
00:48:06.690 --> 00:48:09.550
<v Speaker 2>wood bridge there at Bentwaters. And the Rendlesham Forest was

813
00:48:09.590 --> 00:48:13.500
<v Speaker 2>right there around there. Yeah, those guys definitely, they deserve

814
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.820
<v Speaker 2>a lot more credit than they got for what they did.

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00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 2>And gals, a lot of women too. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Thank you so much, Scott. It's been a real pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy talking to you tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. Thank you, Martin.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Take care. All right, everyone. So we'll be back.

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<v Speaker 1>Just remember this Thursday is Grant Lovick. I will be,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be in the air, so I will not be

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<v Speaker 1>in chat during that. It's pre-recorded and ready to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a great conversation. So make sure you check

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<v Speaker 1>that out. Next Tuesday is Rich Hoffman. So thank you

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00:48:45.750 --> 00:48:48.889
<v Speaker 1>all for being here. I appreciate your questions, everything in chat.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll see you next time. And remember to keep

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes to the sky.