WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:02.640 Dad. You like to drink, so have a drink once 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:03.120 in a while. 3 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:05.919 Have two. If you devote your whole life to completely 4 00:00:05.960 --> 00:00:08.599 avoiding something you like, then that thing still controls your 5 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:10.519 life and you've never learned any discipline at all. 6 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:14.480 But maybe I'm just the kind of person who needs 7 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:15.480 to have it all or nothing. 8 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:18.600 Now, all or nothing is easy, But learning to drink 9 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:23.440 a little bit responsibly, that's a discipline. Discipline come from 10 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:25.600 within kick as. 11 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:31.800 Welcome to Going down to south Park, the podcast where 12 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:33.640 we always have ourselves a time and we're here to 13 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:37.320 review the finale called a season finale course, the season finale, 14 00:00:37.320 --> 00:00:41.119 Season Finale, Season finale, the final episode of season nine 15 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:43.920 of South Park, one of the more controversial episodes, which 16 00:00:43.920 --> 00:00:46.119 we'll get into. It's bloody Mary, I'm Dando. 17 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:48.439 And guy, Yes, we're gonna have a bloody good time, 18 00:00:48.479 --> 00:00:48.799 an't it? 19 00:00:49.119 --> 00:00:51.159 Yeah? As we go down to south Park with this episode, 20 00:00:51.200 --> 00:00:53.439 what was the old slogan, where the bloody hell are you? 21 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:55.960 Is that? Yes, bluddy, how are you? No? 22 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:58.119 I was meant to get all men or tourists in 23 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:00.719 Australia and ever it was like, oh no, this. 24 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.640 Is a bit naff. The thing is that Lara Bingle. 25 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:08.200 But that's why everyone who doesn't come from Australia thinks 26 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:10.519 Australia is like so basically they try to appeal to 27 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:12.680 the stereotypes, Like you go to England, it's oh, do 28 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:14.640 you want to foster I'm like, I've never even seen 29 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:17.319 a fosters, a littlone tasted one, you know. So they 30 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:19.519 just have this perception of what Australia is over seas 31 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:22.480 and the appeals to that, Oh yeah, yeah, trying to 32 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:24.120 get in, like what do you mean as a kangaroos 33 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:27.079 in your backyards and stuff? Your Prime Minister doesn't swim 34 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:27.560 in a damn. 35 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:31.359 I had to wait thirty something years to see a 36 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:33.840 kangaroo in an urban environment. I mean I saw I 37 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:37.319 saw one hopping down my street in herne Hill, Geelong. 38 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:40.159 Was like what the hell? Yeah, I mean that that 39 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:42.439 was like a real Twilight Zone moment. But yeah, they 40 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:43.840 were very much trying to sell the. 41 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:47.560 Whole Oh we're laid back, relaxed, you know, me home 42 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:48.680 amongst the gum tree. 43 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:52.159 So yeah, well the bloody hell are you? But that 44 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.760 fizzled out fairly quickly. I mean it had one of 45 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:57.760 you wouldn't call Lara Bingal a supermodel, but she was 46 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:00.079 very much the sort of the quintessential. 47 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:04.439 The supermodel, sixteen year old dannag She was a supermodel, 48 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:08.639 for sure. There's supermodels in the super bottel. Yeah, she's 49 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.199 the one that was with Michael Clark. She bred. 50 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:14.599 I'm not sure about that. I know that she's been 51 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:16.000 married to Sam Worthington for years. 52 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:18.599 Didn't she have an affair? Didn't someone didn't someone famous 53 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:20.919 have an affair with her? She was the she was 54 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.159 the action on the side. I'm pretty sure it was 55 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:26.840 Brendan for Vola, the AFL footballer, not Brendan Nana the podcast. 56 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:29.919 Oh no, no, don't talk about that. Let's talk for 57 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.439 Vola Bingle before we get into our Bloody Mary review. Yes, 58 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:36.400 let's devastating Lara Bingle portrayal. Yeah it was Brendan Favola. 59 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:38.599 Okay, then yeah, that show was just poor taste on 60 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.080 Lara Bingles park because you know, not no oil. 61 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:48.759 Painting, good footballer. Fine, I guess give Bluddy Mary. So, 62 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:50.400 as I said, one of the more controversial ones, which 63 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:52.360 we'll get into, but I just want to start off. 64 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:55.080 I say it's not very often that I get emotional 65 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:58.400 watching south Park, right, you know South Park. It sparks, 66 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:02.240 sparks emotion in you with it. It's zaniness and it's 67 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:04.840 wackiness in the way it appeals to what was your 68 00:03:04.840 --> 00:03:07.240 touchy themes and whatnot. But I thought the ending of 69 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.759 this one was so sweet in a sense of it 70 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.039 can be applied to many things. So the story here 71 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.560 is that Randy gets caught for drink driving and gets 72 00:03:14.560 --> 00:03:16.759 sent to AA and I like this angle of well, 73 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.199 not an alcoholic. I just made a bad decision, which 74 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.560 was discussed that theme as well. But it's a case 75 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:25.560 of you are able to control this. It's space jam 76 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:27.800 methodology with the with the special stuff. It's like you 77 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:29.680 did it yourself, it wasn't God. You have it in 78 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:31.599 you to stop. And it's like, well stop drinking all together, 79 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:33.879 and stands like, no, no, no, you don't have to stop 80 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:36.400 drinking because if you if you eliminate it from your life, 81 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:39.680 then it's still controlling you in a way. It's all 82 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:43.360 about I won't say the accent, but discipline. I was 83 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:43.840 going to use that. 84 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:45.479 I was going to use the accent all the way through. 85 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:49.159 Well they do, isn't it discipline? Rack, discipline, work, discipline, right, 86 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:52.439 And he's basically saying that you can have these vices 87 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:54.560 in your life, but you're going to learn to control them. 88 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.280 Have them. What's what's what was Nicolaus say, in moderation, 89 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:01.319 in moderation, Yes, so you can have in moderation, shot, 90 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.240 you can have hot chips in moderation. And as I say, 91 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:06.199 it can be applied to eating because I've been trying 92 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.080 to like not eat deep fried foods and cut out sugar. 93 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:10.080 And it's like, you know what, No, it's okay, do 94 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.039 you have sugar in moderation of up, But it's up 95 00:04:13.080 --> 00:04:14.639 to you to be able to do that. Some people 96 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:16.800 obviously don't have the ability to do so. And you 97 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.480 know that's where alcoholism comes into it and whatnot. But 98 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:21.360 it's I just thought, you know what, it's sort of 99 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.439 changed my perspective. I've been trying to eat healthy recently. 100 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:27.040 I'm like, I will treat myself because I've I deserve 101 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.399 to treat myself. If you don't treat yourself at all, ever, 102 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:31.079 then it's still controlling you. 103 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:33.639 Well, that's the release, that's the pressure of alves. You 104 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:35.319 need to let up a little steam every once in 105 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:39.600 a while because eventually have a blowout a six pack 106 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:41.879 of Tenders or a six pack of beer or whatever, 107 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:43.879 because otherwise you have that blowout and then you feel 108 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:44.439 even worse. 109 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.839 You need to do that. Or maybe that's how my 110 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.199 brain works, Yes, exactly, but it's horses for course. 111 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:51.920 Yeah, I found this episode really interesting because, as I've said, 112 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:55.639 I liked it. I'm a perpetual fence sitter now I'm 113 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:58.879 very much of This is a really good example of 114 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:03.680 matt and tre pro personal responsibility message, which they push 115 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:04.199 a whole lot. 116 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:04.879 I do a lot. 117 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:06.319 It is really their guiding ethos. 118 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:08.480 I come back to the Rob Ryiner episode I think 119 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:10.120 is a good one of that, where it's all about 120 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.199 it's your control. You're in control of all this. 121 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:17.079 Yeah, some people, whether by virtue of their brain chemistry 122 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:19.920 or whatever. I don't want to say some flaw in 123 00:05:19.959 --> 00:05:21.439 their character because that's passing judgment. 124 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:23.720 I don't want to do that. But I mean, I'm 125 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:25.120 looking up at your bookshelf, for instance, and. 126 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:31.360 There's a copy of Matthew Perry's autobiography, and yeah, he 127 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:33.759 basically talks about addiction as a desertion she gave me 128 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:38.399 I And you know he does it in such an eloquent, 129 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:42.600 eloquent and sort of heartfelt way. It's like I'm buying 130 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:44.959 that this guy wants to stop. I mean, he says 131 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.800 he would give up all the riches, all the fame, 132 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.160 all that stuff to be rid of this desire, this 133 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:56.600 compulsion to tamp down these demons with the help of drugs, booze, 134 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:00.399 what have you. I believe him in that regard. I mean, 135 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.199 when an episode like this says no, no, it's all 136 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:05.839 in your it's all in your mind and it's all 137 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:08.639 under your control, it's sort of painting it as a 138 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.800 moral weakness, which is something I'm not exactly a fan. 139 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.439 I get the whole pro responsibility thing, and it is 140 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:16.800 something I actually believe in. 141 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:18.519 So that's where I find this upsetting on the fence. 142 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:21.120 So I had, I won't say issues with this episode. 143 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:23.240 I found it really entertaining, kind of funny in a 144 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:27.160 lot of ways. And because that final message that Stan 145 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:29.399 is talking about, that whole thing about no, you like 146 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.600 to drink, have a drink everyone, So some people aren't 147 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.040 able to, and some people just aren't able to no 148 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:38.000 matter how hard they try. Yeah, So I was actually 149 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.759 reading a Reddit thread about this episode. He said, look, 150 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.079 it wasn't necessarily my thing, but I think they got 151 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.319 a lot wrong talking about A and sort of presenting 152 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.439 it as a cult and certainly presenting it mocked it, 153 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:51.879 they really did. Yeah, and that's something that Parker and 154 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:53.399 Stone do as well. I don't think they're fans of 155 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.040 organized religion, and certainly not the cult like aspect that 156 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:57.639 a lot of organized religions can take. 157 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.879 I think they were using it for their joke of 158 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:03.720 Randy isn't an alcoholic, he just made a bad choice. 159 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.160 But still, in doing so, you really made AA meetings 160 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:07.879 look ridiculous. Yeah. 161 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:10.519 And the way that you're presenting all these AA people 162 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:13.879 is either pathetic as yeah, just by virtual of the 163 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.319 way that they were drawn and voiced, as well as 164 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:17.839 the things that they were saying. I mean, they will 165 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:19.920 all kind of schlubby. 166 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:21.879 And they did the can you voice when someone's a 167 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:24.879 bit pathetic, as you said, pathetic, yeah, or just like 168 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:28.120 I'm just having a great time drink a lemonad. Yeah, 169 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:31.319 it's like, well you're clearly not having any clue, clear 170 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:35.319 not having a good time. Yeah. I've found that rubbed 171 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:36.759 me the wrong. 172 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.240 Way a little bit, shall we say. Having said that, 173 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.639 mostly enjoyed the episode. I've got all this, I've got 174 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:45.160 all the bad stuff out of my system that I'm 175 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:46.199 so I'm killed. 176 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:49.439 As someone who isn't religious, I don't get I do, 177 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:51.839 and I don't I get the controversy here, and they 178 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.000 wouldn't want their beloved figure depicted it in such a 179 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:57.199 ridiculous way. Yeah, well we'll talk it. Yeah, Virginiy iconography 180 00:07:57.199 --> 00:07:59.160 as well. Yeah, but I'm watching this going this is 181 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:02.639 so absurd. I don't think you could honestly believe that 182 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.839 anyone's watching this thinking taking it seriously either. But in 183 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.480 saying that it's your beloved figure being represented in such 184 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:09.399 a ridiculous way. 185 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.439 There is that certainly. I mean, as with anything in life, 186 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:16.079 you've got varying degrees of how you feel about things, right, 187 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.399 I mean I was raised Catholic, and I still consider 188 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:19.720 myself Catholic to some degree. 189 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:21.279 Yeah, you know, there'll. 190 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:22.439 Still be times and I was sort of going to 191 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.399 do the side of the Christ when I'm about to 192 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:26.560 take a big risk on something or whatever. It's like 193 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:30.879 the toilet or actually when I'm leaving the house, respectacles, testicles, 194 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.360 all that kind of stuff. I had no issue whatso 195 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.039 whether with the betrayal or depiction of the Virgin Mary 196 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:40.080 in this. My feeling on this, and it's it's sort 197 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.879 of aligns with the whole pro personal responsibility thing is like, 198 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:46.720 and I'm not saying, oh, this was disrespectful to the 199 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:48.759 Virgin Mary or you know this. 200 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:50.799 Icon of the Catholic Church. 201 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.879 It's more like, your disrespect of this and that's quote 202 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.960 marks around disrespect, by the way, does not negate my again, 203 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.120 quote marks respect for it. If you feel strongly about it, fine, 204 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:05.279 that's your thing. Go with God. As they say via condos, 205 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:07.840 where I was like, Okay, well you don't feel the 206 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:10.360 same way I do. That's cool. I'm not about to 207 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:12.039 push my beliefs on you, just as I was hoping 208 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.000 you were not about to push your beliefs on me. 209 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.840 Because were they in any way? They weren't really mocking 210 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:19.480 the religion, were they. They were just it was sort 211 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:23.320 of almost just sort of using her as a symbol for. 212 00:09:23.440 --> 00:09:26.759 Any kind of snake oil cure, yeah, I think, or any. 213 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.720 Sort of quick searching for a miracle. Yeah yeah, with 214 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:36.480 the mord Flanders the gas leak, yeah yeah, I mean. 215 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:39.639 It goes back to whole the whole personal responsibility things. 216 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.440 You are responsible for your decisions and direction you take 217 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.519 in life. Maybe don't go to a Virgin Mary. That's 218 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:49.759 a bleeding out of its butt, but apparently well known. 219 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:52.919 But that's what it was intended to be. It was 220 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:55.639 meant to be shitting on the face of people. That's 221 00:09:55.679 --> 00:09:58.600 where it was implying with the visuals. And then you're like, oh, 222 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.960 it wasn't okay, But so here's the controversy. So the 223 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:05.399 episode was aired on December seventh, two thousand and five, 224 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:07.799 which is the eve of the Feast of the Imaculate Conception. 225 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:09.159 Do you want to explain it? That is to listeners in 226 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:10.840 what I know? I've died. I don't know myself. I 227 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:13.919 don't know. I thought you might know, okay, because you're 228 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:15.639 there's a feast, because you're a Catholic, I thought you 229 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:16.519 might Okay. 230 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:19.279 It celebrates We've got a lot of holidays. 231 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:22.519 It celebrates the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary 232 00:10:22.679 --> 00:10:24.759 on eighth of December, nine months before the feat of 233 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:28.799 the Nativity of Mary on eighth of September. It is 234 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.840 one of the most important feasts in the calendar of 235 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:35.399 the Latin Church. Okay, so there's that get this is 236 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.360 for real sort of diodes. Yeah, a Catholic observance related 237 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:41.519 specifically to the Virgin Mary. Bloody Mary was considered a 238 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.559 very controversial episode, even by south Park standards. In the US. 239 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.240 I'm just look at them poking Catholics in the eyebar, like, 240 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:50.120 we're not just going to do this episode, We're going 241 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:53.440 to air it on this particular Yeah, okay, Da and Matt, 242 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:54.159 you scamps. 243 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:59.600 In the US, the Catholic League demanded an apology and 244 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:02.279 that the so be permanently retired and not be made 245 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:04.879 available on DVD. I love that idea of if something 246 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:06.840 of David a you're never going to see it again 247 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:09.759 unless you because that's how it used to work. Things 248 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:11.919 went released on physical media and they weren't allowed to 249 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:13.879 re air something. You have to find bootleg tapes of 250 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.399 people who at the time, and it made it even 251 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:19.799 more special. Oh yeah, when he's like I've got a 252 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:21.360 copy of it's like, oh, ship. 253 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:27.600 Trading, you're saving the little batch of vhs in there. 254 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.639 Someone's written on It's like bloody Mary south Park. A 255 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:36.759 board member of the Viacom, Joseph Califano Junior Califano Junior. 256 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:39.840 It's a very catholic sounding that. Yeah. The parent company 257 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.759 of Comedy Central, and a practicing Catholic, issued a personal statement. 258 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:46.519 He did later release a statement call in the episode 259 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.399 an appalling and disgusting betrayal of the Virgin Mary, and 260 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:52.480 pledged to have it reviewed by Viacom's president and CEO, 261 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:55.360 Tom Freston. It seems like a lot of hoopla, doesn't it. 262 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:57.320 Oh yeah, over a TV episode. I just don't know 263 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:00.480 whether this would happen anymore. You get like, yeah, yeah, 264 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.399 you'd have a few people angry on like Twitter, and 265 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.639 there'd be a few new stories saying fans are outraged 266 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:08.080 by this, and then new cycle's over and it's onto 267 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:08.600 another thing. 268 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:11.080 In all, honestly, you know, paramount of Comedy Central, who 269 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:14.120 or whoever would probably gin up the drama themselves, because 270 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:15.639 we are living in the attention economy. 271 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.799 But the idea of banning an episode, it just wouldn't happen. 272 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:21.200 It couldn't happen anymore. He could not, in today's word, 273 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:24.519 he couldn't ban it. No life finds away, Yes, yes, 274 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:28.080 torrents find a way. I was talking the other day 275 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.919 to somebody about the price of streaming services and whatnot. 276 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:32.759 And I was like, I think we're about to see 277 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:36.240 the revival of torrents. Like there's always pirates have still existed, 278 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:38.600 but it used to be I downloaded is down, and 279 00:12:38.639 --> 00:12:41.080 people just like that is don't downlat Anymorecau's just easily 280 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.679 accessible on streaming services. But now people are like, it 281 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:45.960 really costs a lot of money. I was like, yeah, 282 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:47.840 it costs a lot of money. And they're putting ads 283 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:50.399 and they're putting ads into it. It's like, this is TV, 284 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:52.480 but I'm paying for TV. Yeah, I think people are 285 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:56.159 going to go is Pirate Base still a thing? Pirate 286 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.679 Base like the Boys? The answer is yes it is, 287 00:13:00.039 --> 00:13:03.080 and buckle down, boys, We're back in business. Time to 288 00:13:03.399 --> 00:13:06.759 sell the high season once again. Like Trratton the Closet. 289 00:13:06.759 --> 00:13:08.840 The episode Bloody Mair did return to the air, appearing 290 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:10.840 on August seventh, two thousand and six, so they did 291 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:12.360 take it off rotation for a while. 292 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.159 Oh yeah, look, I mean the the Catholics have got 293 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:17.679 a bit of power. Yeah in the US, the church 294 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:19.360 has got a bit of power worldwide. 295 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:21.960 Still in New Zealand. In February two thousand and six, 296 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.679 leaders from the New Zealand Catholic Bishop's Conference, the Council 297 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.200 of Christians and Muslims and other religious Groups's sound like 298 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.919 a super team? What is it? Back? Did that themselves? 299 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:35.759 They literally did. Yeah, they lobbied together. They lobbied the 300 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:38.159 media conglomerate to can West to stop a planned airing 301 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:40.399 of the episode in New Zealand on the music channel 302 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:43.080 Sea four. The network rejected the plea and said that 303 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.240 the episode would air as planned. Leading Catholic bishops then 304 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:49.200 called for a boycott of Sea four and assisted network 305 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.919 TV three. Can West again resisted and aired the episode 306 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:56.399 sooner than planned. Oh to take advantage of the media attention. 307 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.720 See that's what you do. That is what you do. 308 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.440 New Zealand's Minister Halen Clark issued a statement saying the 309 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.600 episode sounded revolting, but that the network was free to 310 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.480 air it. One advertiser withdrew their ads from the network. 311 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:11.120 Catholic group Family Life International, set up a website for 312 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.320 boycotting other advertisers. Another company named C for Productions, which 313 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:17.080 has no links to the c FORMSSA channel, applied to 314 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:18.399 a core order on the eve of the air and 315 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:21.000 to stop the episode, citing damage to its business because 316 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:22.960 it thought people would link it to their channel. That 317 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:25.919 judge ruled against the order. What a drama, isn't it? 318 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:26.279 It is? 319 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.600 But this is how a functioning sort of I guess 320 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:32.360 democracy should work. It's like, okay, we're gonna air this. 321 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:36.480 I don't think you should fine say your piece. You know, 322 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:38.000 if you're a business. 323 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:38.320 Please your case. 324 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:42.679 Yeah, if you're a business that finds this repellent or disgusting, 325 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:44.000 pull your advertising. 326 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:44.559 That's fine. 327 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.039 And then that's yeah, that's how the free market works 328 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.000 as well as like enough people do. That's like, all right, well, 329 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:51.240 it sounds like there are a lot of people out 330 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.159 there who don't like this or this is going to 331 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:54.519 be damaging to our bottom line. 332 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.080 C four air the episode on February twenty second, two 333 00:14:57.120 --> 00:15:00.440 thousand and six, and drew two hundred and ten thousand viewers, 334 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:03.399 which apparently was six times South Park's normal audience in 335 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:06.000 the country. So only thirty thousand people were watching south 336 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:09.399 Park at this point. Maybe mental right, Sure, thirty five 337 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:12.240 thousand people watch South Park. I can't I'm wondering how 338 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:12.720 many people. 339 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:15.559 Well, first of all, it's the population New Zealand reve 340 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:19.399 relatively Australia or anywhere else. And secondly, you know what's 341 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:21.240 airing on what see what's Sea four. 342 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.600 The thing is, though, this is the era of torrents. 343 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:26.879 We're just mentioning torrants, right and this is five months 344 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:29.600 after the episode aired. Okay, South Park fans were torrenting 345 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.279 the shit out of that episode. Good point, they weren't 346 00:15:31.320 --> 00:15:34.440 waiting for it to air. Yeah. Yeah, so it got 347 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:37.120 six times a normal audience and received After receiving one 348 00:15:37.159 --> 00:15:39.440 hundred and two formal complaints from viewers, the network issued 349 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:42.120 a statement a month later saying, the seafall acknowledges the 350 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:43.960 strength of feeling in relation to the program, and we 351 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:47.120 sincerely apologize for any offense taken. Better apologize. 352 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:53.840 Well, the horse is well and truly bothered. So you know, yeah, yeah, 353 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:54.159 what's that? 354 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:57.240 What's that? Lines like it? Better better to better to 355 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:00.480 apologize later, Yeah, forgiveness and ask for permissions it. Yeah, 356 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:04.159 that's how I that's my mentality. I know you're offending 357 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.919 people all the time. And in Australia, in February two 358 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:10.440 thousand and six, Archbishop Dennis Hart in Melbourne, Australia, down 359 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:14.080 the Road wrote to television network SBS asking them not 360 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:17.519 to air the episode. The network's programming director originally rejected 361 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:20.720 the request, but later decided to postpone the episode, citing 362 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:23.360 the controversy over the Muhammad cartoons. So they must have 363 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:26.080 been going on that episode must have come out and 364 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:28.720 caused chaos anyway. The episode was, however, shown on the 365 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:31.080 Comedy Channel on August thirtieth, two thousand and six. Almost 366 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.559 were almost the year behind. Maybe they delayed it, that's why. Yeah, 367 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.399 could be so we didn't get it. We didn't get 368 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:40.480 it on TV what eight months? Nine months later? 369 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.480 Yeah, but where it used to be in the early 370 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:44.399 early twenty first cent. 371 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:47.679 Yes, but a lot of drama. But that's what But 372 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:50.240 this is the thing. Did they need to be using 373 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:53.080 the Bloody Mary? The only real reason they used the 374 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:56.080 Bloody Mary is because they wanted to get this reaction. 375 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:57.200 Oh absolutely. 376 00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:59.480 I mean, look, we're nine seasons into South Park, but 377 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:02.840 they're still you know, there's cheeky little lads. They're still provocateurs, 378 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:06.720 their storytelling chops are definitely evolving. Their status within industry 379 00:17:06.799 --> 00:17:09.720 is definitely rising. But they've also built their brand on 380 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:13.480 light and fires and they've done that here. 381 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:16.079 Yeah, they've got to get that reputation furnished. It must 382 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:19.079 be exhausting, don't you reckon having to keep up that 383 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.279 reputation if you established for yourself. I mean you built 384 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.640 a billion dollar empire around it. But it's like, how 385 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.200 do you? And I think that's why they fall into 386 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.000 the truck doing the Trump stuff, because it's like what 387 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.960 else could they possibly do to get people talking? Yeah? 388 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.319 Absolutely, I mean here's the thing to me, Parker and 389 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:35.400 Stone are as we said in their fifties. 390 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.640 Yeah, I say, this is someone in the fifties. I'm tired. 391 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.720 I can't be I can't be asked being provocative. 392 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:47.240 What's the Simpsons thing? Star Trek so very tired And 393 00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:48.720 I was like thirty years ago, see Shatton to put 394 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:50.240 it thing out of ninety five and he's out smoking 395 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:52.240 a cigar. I know, he looked great. It looks like 396 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:56.640 he's sixty. He looked really good. He looked really well. Yeah, man, 397 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:58.799 good good one big bill. Yeah. Maybe going to space 398 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.480 like maybe just like Dasian a bit goold. Well. Look, 399 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.200 it made him see life different than you could tell 400 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:06.960 when he got back. He Yeah, that's funny. 401 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.640