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<v Speaker 1>Podcast listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello there, welcome. My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and

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<v Speaker 2>this is Wicked and grim at true crime podcast that's

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<v Speaker 2>been going on for how long? One MOFO year.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna swear, but I was like, I'll save

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<v Speaker 1>that till later.

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<v Speaker 2>Our podcast is as of today, as of this Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>February eighth.

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<v Speaker 1>One year old, one year old.

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<v Speaker 2>One year old, one year old. And how many episodes

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<v Speaker 2>have we come out with? We should have looked at

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<v Speaker 2>up we started that. I think we're at like sixty two.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not like including when we did Halloween Week, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because we didn't really necessarily include that as a one

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<v Speaker 1>or two or three and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I think that includes some yow does it? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I wasn't too sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm pretty sure that we included those into that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me see. I'm just looking right now seeing if

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<v Speaker 2>I can find it. Yeah. So this is the sixty

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<v Speaker 2>third episode. My gosh, we came up with sixty three

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<v Speaker 2>episodes in one year. Bibe. Cheers, Cheers you guys, cheers

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<v Speaker 2>to you. Thank you very much for your supportive of

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<v Speaker 2>this last year. It's been absolutely incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>My gosh, it's just blown us out of the Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we're going to go over a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a long intro today because we want to do

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<v Speaker 2>some recapping on just looking back in the podcast a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>So, but we still do have a podcast for you

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to. I've researched the case not so you're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, oh my gosh, it's a recap episode done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There, we're doing a case.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a legit case.

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<v Speaker 1>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just taking a little bit extra time in the

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<v Speaker 2>intro today for a little bit of talking and bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna shoot the shit a little bit here

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<v Speaker 2>more than normal. That's all we're saying. That's all we're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>All we're saying. But before we do that, before we

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<v Speaker 2>do that, can we think are amazing patrons? Yes, let's

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were gonna say something else and I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, let's do it. I'm into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. First of all, thank you to all the Patreon

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<v Speaker 2>individuals out there who have supported us over this last year,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was you've been with us from the start

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<v Speaker 2>you're just joining in, whether you even got rid of

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<v Speaker 2>your subscription. We appreciate the shit out of you. Joining

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<v Speaker 2>in and supporting us even a little bit. Even if

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't, we still love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was going to say that too, anyone that's

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<v Speaker 1>listening like you're pretty much awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. And in this last week we had a

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<v Speaker 2>few new Patreon subscribers join on board, so here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>We got Linda W who joined on We got Tammy

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<v Speaker 2>Johnson Christine Beam, which I fucking love that name because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like Christine Beam. I love it. It's got like

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<v Speaker 2>such a flow to it. Does a Christina with a

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<v Speaker 2>name like that, that's like a superhero name it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a badass name. Maybe they're a superhero Christine. We're

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<v Speaker 2>on to you. We got Sarah Granby, We got this

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<v Speaker 2>one I love to Susie Q. Oh my gosh, right

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<v Speaker 2>Susan Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just like, that's a song, isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It, Susie, cut.

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<v Speaker 1>It go out there, Sue cue.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that song. I'm a terrible singer. If you

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<v Speaker 2>can't tell.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not the first time you've sang.

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<v Speaker 2>On you No, And for the record, I haven't tried

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<v Speaker 2>to sing yet. That's just me playing around. If I

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<v Speaker 2>actually try and sing, it's way worse. Worse. You can

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<v Speaker 2>attest to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, honestly, actually, you're not that bad of a singer.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't think you're that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm mediocre at best, That's.

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<v Speaker 1>What I would say, better than I am.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's not saying much. Wow. Now, Okay, we also

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<v Speaker 2>got a few more people here. We got Anna Pool

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<v Speaker 2>or Poole. It's got a little apostrophy on the at

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<v Speaker 2>the end there, so it's really hard to discern. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but Anna, you badass. We got Glenna Gunston and Amber

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<v Speaker 2>Lapaula and finally Joyce Rogers. You guys all joined us

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<v Speaker 2>this last week Patreon, so thank you amazing, Right, guys

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<v Speaker 2>are incredible. Thank you for having on board and supporting us.

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<v Speaker 2>You're amazing. Without people like you, we couldn't be doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Without anyone tuning in, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Wouldn't be doing this, and I did actually probably would

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<v Speaker 1>because you're probably Nicole, you have to give it a

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<v Speaker 1>few years before we see success. And then I was like, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how long been? Because I'm like I like to see success.

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<v Speaker 2>After like episode one, You're like, why are we not

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<v Speaker 2>famous yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that is not how I am pretty much. No,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way I'm not that bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically because episode one was Theoutla Pass. We came up

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<v Speaker 2>with Theoutla Pass and you're just like, well, there's we

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<v Speaker 2>got like three people listen to the episode with the

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<v Speaker 2>hell and you were just like crushed.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I wasn't. I think you're exaggerating that. I did

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<v Speaker 1>not spate that we'd be this far at one year though,

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<v Speaker 1>No me either, which really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the exact number because hopping over to

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<v Speaker 2>a new platform, our numbers reset. I'd have to do

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<v Speaker 2>some math and add it up between the two. But

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<v Speaker 2>we did reach over three hundred thousand listens in this

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<v Speaker 2>one year. I believe we're at three hundred and ten

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<v Speaker 2>or twelve ish in one year.

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<v Speaker 1>That is incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazingly. Our mind is blown, you guys, it totally is.

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<v Speaker 2>But while we're on the topic of the Outlived Pass,

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to say that I think one day

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<v Speaker 2>I might want to revisit that case.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you talk about that often.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually not because I want to add any new information.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we covered it pretty good with the information.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to recover it or revisit it, sorry, and

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<v Speaker 2>go over it again because it was our first ever episode,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just want to kind of go over it

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<v Speaker 2>again and compare. You know, Yeah, but it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hasn't Some new information even come out too since that episode,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I thought, we put it out and then like

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<v Speaker 1>something new came out, right, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Put it out at the same time as a new

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<v Speaker 2>information coming out. I believe I covered it in the act.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because there was a theory on an avalanche actually

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<v Speaker 2>causing it. But I call one hundredercent bullshit on that

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<v Speaker 2>because ain't in away an avalanche causing that when their

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<v Speaker 2>seen in the snow. Doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you talk about that. You don't honestly talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this case a lot in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, So I want to revisit that one day.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be fun though, being that it was our first episode,

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<v Speaker 1>that'd be super fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. Anything you want to revisit what would

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<v Speaker 2>you do if you could the Donnelly's the Donnali's Because.

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<v Speaker 1>That was African spiral train wreck of an episode.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, that was the best episode we've ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I just like screwed up so much, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was only my second episode, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>super nervous. I mean I still get nervous, really, but

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<v Speaker 1>I pronounced so much shit wrong and like had some

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<v Speaker 2>But it was funny. Instead of the word organism, you

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<v Speaker 2>said orgasm, and it was obligarious potato the potato famine,

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<v Speaker 2>which you said potato famine, no fathom fathom, Sorry, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know it was. It was just like it just it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just went down. It was hilarious. I love that episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Well actually, I think that might have made them.

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<v Speaker 2>Fall in love with us a little well and fun fact,

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as we were done that episode, you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to re record right then and there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I like begged you and you're like no,

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<v Speaker 2>Like, no way, that's going live, Like we can't record,

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<v Speaker 2>re record that, it has to go up.

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<v Speaker 1>But we actually get like a lot of people being like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, you have to do better with your pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's I'm like, ah, yeah, I mean I think

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of that is is we own up to

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<v Speaker 2>our mistakes. A lot of other podcasts they just take it,

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<v Speaker 2>tell them, make it fake it till they make it

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily fake. It, they'll just stick with the pronunciation

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<v Speaker 2>and roll with it. If we're not sure. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we're like, hey, we're not sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, we we we let people know. But maybe

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<v Speaker 1>going bar it, I'll just like protecting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it might not, it may be to our own fault,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're just a little honest in that way. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it's the canade in US.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually do try hard though, Like, okay, right now

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<v Speaker 1>for this case, for example, I literally have about like

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<v Speaker 1>five six tabs open right now of like pronounced dots,

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<v Speaker 1>calm or whatever, because I look to see how to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you just forget. Yeah, So it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of it's yeah, it's hit and miss. So we do try,

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<v Speaker 2>we do try and get us wrong there.

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<v Speaker 1>But then yeah, other ones that I've just like loved

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<v Speaker 1>too for some I'm just gonna throw the ones I loved.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's but I loved the Toy Box Killer Yes, the

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu Lemon Case Yes, and the Mad Trapper of Rap River.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like those are like three of my favors.

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<v Speaker 2>Mad Trapper was a badass.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that guy's a badass.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have to say I was. I'm super proud

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<v Speaker 2>of myself of the Lululemon one. That's probably my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>episode that I did.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so good. I told a good story in that one,

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<v Speaker 1>a really good story.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I'm proud of that one particularly. Okay, we

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<v Speaker 2>got to talk about more stuff because we got a

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<v Speaker 2>lot to load unload on you guys here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, we basically have some cool shit we're planning

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<v Speaker 1>for the one year anniversary, so we gotta do we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta chat about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do we got coming down the pipe in

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<v Speaker 2>the one year anniversary?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we're doing a giveaway. We're actually doing two giveaways.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a patron, you're just automatically entered in two

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<v Speaker 1>to one and what it is it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>like approximately fifty dollars credit for our merch. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we're also doing another one on Insta, so anyone

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<v Speaker 1>that's following, and basically you'll just have to comment what

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite episode has been, because like I'm curious, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to know, you probably want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to know. We just talked about ours. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>let's hear yours.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm gonna be posting those tomorrow and then we're

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<v Speaker 2>you very much. But yeah, it's got two skeleton hands

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah. We'll also post up what those new designs

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<v Speaker 2>you can find it there too, absolutely, but enough dropping that,

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<v Speaker 1>It's a Tuesday, dude, so.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all good. Oh my gosh. So yeah, that's that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then what else? What else? What else we got? Oh? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>finally we got something cool coming. Oh yeah. We were

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<v Speaker 2>reached out to by our local news and they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys want to come in and do a news spot?

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<v Speaker 2>And we're like, okay, it's like the news talk show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a daily talk show. It's called Today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we're going to be on that talk show.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm.

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<v Speaker 2>If we do good, we'll do it. Anyways, we will

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<v Speaker 2>drop the link, whether we vomit or vomit. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that could be taken good or bad. So there we are. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be fun, though it is. I'm stoked this

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<v Speaker 2>whole this whole one year, this whole podcast thing is

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<v Speaker 2>just it's it's brought a lot to our lives and

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<v Speaker 2>we really appreciate everything. So thank you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, Yeah, seriously, I don't know. There's been many times

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<v Speaker 1>But it's freaking worth it, and everyone listening makes it

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<v Speaker 2>Time we're questioning if it's worth it is when we're researching.

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<v Speaker 2>As soon as we're done researching, we're just like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>this is awesome and amazing and we love it until

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<v Speaker 2>we're researching, okay, or.

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<v Speaker 1>When we get a bad review doesn't yeah that as well,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've had like a couple doozies, and I think.

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<v Speaker 2>People need to realize, like, we're not some big studio.

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<v Speaker 2>We see the bad reviews, yeah we read them, you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of those people out there are dicks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're like, it's so mean, almost just against your character, really,

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly think what it is is people get upset

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<v Speaker 2>on the type of podcast we are, and that's understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>There's not everything is for everyone, but they get upset

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<v Speaker 2>on that, and then they start looking for something to

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's been some people who get upset with

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<v Speaker 2>us because we combine tragic cases with entertainment and comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just want to let people know that these

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<v Speaker 2>are tragic cases. We understand that we sympathize with the victims.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of the reason why we do the comedy with

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<v Speaker 2>it is because it makes it a lot easier to

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<v Speaker 2>you're bringing in comedy, you're able to laugh, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>able to remember these people in a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>of a lighthearted situation. And not only that, it really

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<v Speaker 2>brings down that fear mongering that those perpetrators had totally,

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<v Speaker 2>So it makes these scary people a lot less scary,

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<v Speaker 2>and it brings more happy memories to the victims, so

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<v Speaker 2>we can remember them in a little happier light. All

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<v Speaker 2>the while making the horrific things that go through a

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<v Speaker 2>we laugh, that's why we introduce comedy and being who

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're definitely being ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>So a little bit like right to the heart. I

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<v Speaker 1>My my heart grew two sizes.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a mean one or three sizes? Heart grew three sizes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think three sizes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's a long that's like fifteen minute intro. Holy shit,

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<v Speaker 2>let's get going. I'm pumped.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I shouldn't say pumped. But this case is it's

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<v Speaker 2>A wild one. It sounds like a wild, wild wild West.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know a lot about this one, but you

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<v Speaker 2>showed me photos and I know that there is certain

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<v Speaker 1>We're chatting about e Cigawa today.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I feel like.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not actually a super well known case. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Did anyone get it on the guests on Instagram?

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<v Speaker 1>There was actually quite a few wrong guesses, which I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like we generally have lots of times people

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<v Speaker 1>You guys are good, but there was one person that

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<v Speaker 2>Yeahh. So we didn't bamboozle everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought I might have had them this time, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So Is was born on April twenty sixth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>By the sounds of it. Yeah. Es was born months.

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<v Speaker 1>Early, reportedly being small enough that he could fit in

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<v Speaker 1>the palm of his father's hat. Holy shit, so very premature.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>The doctors actually didn't actually think that he would survive.

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<v Speaker 1>And because of this, it was not an easy battle

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<v Speaker 1>for him, and he suffered from a number of serious

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<v Speaker 1>you says health was fragile, and I believe it can

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and along with that, he was also had a

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>This he believes contributed to his obsession with cannibalism.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of fucked up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I did know.

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<v Speaker 1>That one is that that's just a lighthearted game.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. I mean like I've played some weird games

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there's some things out there that I just

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I almost feel like that's just using that

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<v Speaker 1>So, unlike many cases that we cover, this is actually

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's good at least.

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<v Speaker 1>He described it as being the best time of his

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<v Speaker 1>his first desire cannibalism was when he was in first grade. Whoa,

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<v Speaker 2>Desire? Okay, desire, that's key there, Yeah, not action Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>six years old though, still wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And this came after catching a glimpse of one of

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, thinking that he's that young when

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<v Speaker 2>he has the desire for that, that very well could

427
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<v Speaker 2>attribute to the giant eating game thing. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if they played it often and then he

429
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<v Speaker 1>looked at people differently. Yeah, potentially, I guess he wanted

430
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<v Speaker 1>to be the giant.

431
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<v Speaker 2>You know, Oh, I want to I want to be

432
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<v Speaker 2>the giant. I want to chase you and I'm going

433
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<v Speaker 2>to eat you sort of thing, and then just set

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<v Speaker 2>that thought in his head.

435
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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting you say that, though, because he's very small,

436
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<v Speaker 1>which we'll cover.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Well as a PREMI mean general that if you're premature,

438
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<v Speaker 2>then generally you're a little bit smaller. Yeah. Yeah, not always,

439
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure.

440
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<v Speaker 1>But so there isn't much to report on his younger years,

441
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<v Speaker 1>but in an interview, as he did with Vice later

442
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<v Speaker 1>in his life, he reported that as a youth, he

443
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<v Speaker 1>continued to experience cannibalistic desires with women. Sex wasn't something

444
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<v Speaker 1>the family ever talked about, and I guess if there

445
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<v Speaker 1>wasn't any sort of I don't know, sex education back

446
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<v Speaker 1>then or in Japan.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

448
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<v Speaker 1>I actually I think I kind of forgot to say

449
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<v Speaker 1>where they live. They live in Japan.

450
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<v Speaker 2>I assume that by his name, But yeah, Okay.

451
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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know if basically it was just like

452
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<v Speaker 1>back in the day when he was born, like the

453
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<v Speaker 1>family didn't talk about sex, and I guess maybe they didn't.

454
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<v Speaker 2>In the schools either.

455
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<v Speaker 1>What era was this, Well he was born in nineteen

456
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<v Speaker 1>forty nine.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Forties okay, so well fifties then.

458
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where was it here?

459
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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

460
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<v Speaker 1>Because when Esay got his first erection, he thought something

461
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<v Speaker 1>was wrong with him, that he was ill and got

462
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<v Speaker 1>super embarrassed about it, and he didn't know how or

463
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<v Speaker 1>about masturbation at the time, so he turned to his dog.

464
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<v Speaker 1>Oh and that's literally all I'm going to say about

465
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<v Speaker 1>that because I'm just not going in there.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so maybe sex education is actually a good thing. Yeah,

467
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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, oh yeah, I'm thinking.

468
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<v Speaker 1>So all these things considered, are you okay?

469
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<v Speaker 2>I am really disturbed.

470
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<v Speaker 1>It's really disturbing.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Like, if there's one, I mean, it's horrendous. I think

472
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<v Speaker 2>we talked about this before. It's horrendous when you talk

473
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<v Speaker 2>about some of the things that we do to human beings,

474
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<v Speaker 2>but it's like it's even worse when it's animals. I

475
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<v Speaker 2>just it gets to me more.

476
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it gets both well, yeah, it gets us.

477
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where huge animal lovers, and just there's

478
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<v Speaker 1>just you look in their eyes. They're just so innocent

479
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<v Speaker 1>and pure, and I'm like.

480
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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's because they are literally helpless and

481
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<v Speaker 2>completely dependent on us. Yeah, you're there everything, So I

482
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<v Speaker 2>mean to do something to them when they rely on

483
00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:12.880
<v Speaker 2>you for everything, it just seems like a greater sin

484
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<v Speaker 2>because you're breaking more trust. Not that it is a

485
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<v Speaker 2>greater sin, but it's just it's that much more heartbreaking. Yeah,

486
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<v Speaker 2>you know in that sense. Yeah, it's a really sensitive

487
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<v Speaker 2>thing to say.

488
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<v Speaker 1>I know I could go in a more detail, but

489
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<v Speaker 1>I'm just not going to. Yes, I don't want to. Okay,

490
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<v Speaker 1>So all these things considered, I say turned to having

491
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<v Speaker 1>a strong interest in literature. He would go on to

492
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<v Speaker 1>attend the attend Waco University, and completed a master's degree

493
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<v Speaker 1>in English literature literature at Kawanzi Kuka University.

494
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<v Speaker 2>Nailed it.

495
00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Probably nailed it. As age, his fascination with cannibism would

496
00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:59.079
<v Speaker 1>develop a sexual component, and he started fantasizing about eating

497
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<v Speaker 1>the flesh of a particularly interested in tall Western women.

498
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<v Speaker 1>I haven't mentioned this yet because I kind of mentioned

499
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit earlier. I guess, but Es was a

500
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<v Speaker 1>very small man. He was four foot nine inches, often

501
00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:19.920
<v Speaker 1>describing himself as very frail. Wow, so not even five feet.

502
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<v Speaker 2>I'm really curious if he likes to be dominated or

503
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<v Speaker 2>if he likes to be the dominator.

504
00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think this podcast will answer that for you. Really, no, Okay,

505
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.000
<v Speaker 1>so you're going to just have to keep wondering.

506
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<v Speaker 2>I guess. Okay, well I'm going to wonder. I'll think

507
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<v Speaker 2>on it. I'll see, I'll draw my conclusion at the end.

508
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<v Speaker 1>Okay. When Isa was twenty four, he intended to complete

509
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<v Speaker 1>his first cannibalism act. He followed a German woman home

510
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<v Speaker 1>to her apartment, waited until her lights were turned off,

511
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<v Speaker 1>and broke in while she was sleeping. She was asleep

512
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<v Speaker 1>in her bed, naked, and he wanted to slice off

513
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<v Speaker 1>a piece of her butt to enjoy later and flee

514
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<v Speaker 1>the scene.

515
00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Did he actually or just want to? He just wanted to.

516
00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:06.920
<v Speaker 2>He didn't do it, did he?

517
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<v Speaker 1>So? I'm not certain how that played out in his mind,

518
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<v Speaker 1>because it obviously didn't go quite like that. He had

519
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<v Speaker 1>nothing to knock, he went, he broke in.

520
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<v Speaker 2>Ye didn't break in. I gathered that, but I'm imagining

521
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<v Speaker 2>him like at the bedroom door, maybe even looming over

522
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<v Speaker 2>her or something, and either she wakes up and she

523
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<v Speaker 2>interrupts him, or he just doesn't have the houtzpah to

524
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<v Speaker 2>do it.

525
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<v Speaker 1>So he was basically super poor planned. He had nothing

526
00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:36.440
<v Speaker 1>to like knock the woman out with or anything. So

527
00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:39.960
<v Speaker 1>he grabs an umbrella she had in there, and kind

528
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:41.839
<v Speaker 1>of like went through her apartment and found a knife

529
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<v Speaker 1>from her kitchen.

530
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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

531
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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just like, I mean, I guess that means

532
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<v Speaker 1>it's not premeditated. But as he approached the sleeping woman,

533
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:53.240
<v Speaker 1>he accidentally touched her, waking her up. She started screaming,

534
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<v Speaker 1>and that, being that Esa was so small, she was

535
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<v Speaker 1>able to overtake him.

536
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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

537
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<v Speaker 1>The police arrest I said, you say, and charged him

538
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:07.519
<v Speaker 1>with attempted rape. He kept his intended desires to himself

539
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:12.039
<v Speaker 1>of wanting to eat her ass literally.

540
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<v Speaker 2>Literally.

541
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I had to put that literally in there because then

542
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 1>like eating the ass, I guess could be right.

543
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.319
<v Speaker 2>I should have seen that coming, but I didn't. That

544
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.599
<v Speaker 2>is single handedly the greatest thing you've said in this podcast.

545
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Bravo.

546
00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:33.799
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't that good, Ben, You're just like bringing hysterics

547
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:34.279
<v Speaker 1>over there.

548
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:38.000
<v Speaker 2>That was good. That was I should have seen that coming,

549
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:39.839
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't. Wow.

550
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I chuckled early.

551
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm disappointed I didn't think of that. If I

552
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:49.440
<v Speaker 2>wrote this podcast, I would have gone right over that joke. Yeah,

553
00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:50.920
<v Speaker 2>you think I would have missed it.

554
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's actually funny because I just had that written

555
00:25:54.039 --> 00:25:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and then I was just like, wait a sick wait

556
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<v Speaker 1>a sec. So there we go. Okay, where the freak was?

557
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<v Speaker 1>I Oh, okay, but I think we all know what

558
00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:10.079
<v Speaker 1>wealth can do. His father paid a settlement to the victim,

559
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<v Speaker 1>causing the charges of attempted rape to be dropped. So

560
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, okay, I just want to touch on that

561
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<v Speaker 1>because I feel like that's awesome that this chick she

562
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't actually get injured, I guess. I mean, she would

563
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:25.880
<v Speaker 1>have got this shit scared out of her, like that's terrifying,

564
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:29.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure she locks her everything locked.

565
00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Your door and everything. Now.

566
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But then I mean, taking that settlement probably was.

567
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<v Speaker 1>I bet he was a fair chunk of change and

568
00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.640
<v Speaker 1>would like changed her life, right, So I don't know,

569
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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of but then this guy is just like

570
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<v Speaker 1>getting off the.

571
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:48.400
<v Speaker 2>Hook for shit, yep, and right back out there to

572
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<v Speaker 2>do it again, as we've seen time and time again.

573
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Time and time again. Yeah, okay, So after finishing his

574
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:58.759
<v Speaker 1>graduate program, you say, went on vacation, taking a luxury

575
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<v Speaker 1>boat to Greece. He would meet a butcher while on

576
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.000
<v Speaker 1>this boat who described as being a fat, jolly man

577
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>who described to him in detail how to butcher meet.

578
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<v Speaker 1>Because Esay was very and questioning, questioning his job and

579
00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:16.799
<v Speaker 1>wanted to.

580
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Know everything, well, I mean, butchery is like an art form.

581
00:27:19.799 --> 00:27:22.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure someone who's into that would be more than

582
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:26.799
<v Speaker 2>willing to share the information with someone of like mind. Exactly.

583
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.680
<v Speaker 2>He was just talking about his job, right. Yeah. So

584
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:31.359
<v Speaker 2>the problem with this, though.

585
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Is Esay would later go on to use these skills,

586
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.880
<v Speaker 1>which he'll hear about, but he had the absolute I

587
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>feel like awkwardness, assholeness, like all of the above to

588
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:47.319
<v Speaker 1>send this man a letter later basically thanking him wow

589
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>for sharing this knowledge with him.

590
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Wow, and like it.

591
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:52.599
<v Speaker 1>In one of the interviews, is almost like he was

592
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Speaker 1>surprised at the guy didn't ema or didn't letter him

593
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 1>back or send a message back. But he just was

594
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:01.759
<v Speaker 1>like almost putting blak and guilt on this poor man.

595
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.799
<v Speaker 2>So I'm assuming this is not like after he's just

596
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.359
<v Speaker 2>done it and not caught. This is after he's been caught.

597
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh wow, so the guy might even have heard

598
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it and recognized him and wow, like that just sucks.

599
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.799
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, he gets caught. We know that.

600
00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did disdrop that, didn't I well.

601
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean we knew his name and we're describing it.

602
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Of course, you get yeah.

603
00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:26.319
<v Speaker 1>So, at the age of twenty eight, Esay moved to

604
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<v Speaker 1>Paris to pursue a PhD studying comparative literature at the

605
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>Sorbone University, which is known to be quite a prestige university.

606
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<v Speaker 1>While in Paris, you Say admitted that he would bring

607
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<v Speaker 1>home a sex worker almost every night.

608
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:45.440
<v Speaker 2>To eat ass.

609
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:50.559
<v Speaker 1>With the intention to shoot them, but he was never

610
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<v Speaker 1>able to get the courage to pull the trigger until

611
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<v Speaker 1>one day until don't don't dn't. In nineteen eighty one,

612
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<v Speaker 1>after being in Paris for a number of years, Esse

613
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<v Speaker 1>met twenty five year old Dutch student Renee Heartfelt, who

614
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 1>was also studying at Sorborne University. Renee was a stunning

615
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 1>five' ten very intelligent woman Who issay was attracted to.

616
00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Instantly she spoke many languages and he would hire her

617
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>using his father's money to teach Him.

618
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:24.960
<v Speaker 2>German.

619
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Okay they would start, to, however develop a, friendship As

620
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.559
<v Speaker 1>renee would regularly Visit essay's.

621
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 2>Apartment for His german.

622
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Lessons, however as they grew closer and, Closer essay's desire

623
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>for her grew as well as he would become obsessed

624
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 1>with the thoughts of eating. Her he is described as

625
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 1>a desire to eat, women eventually almost turning into an, obligation,

626
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:59.119
<v Speaker 1>obligation obligation his, words, wow which is really messed up

627
00:29:59.119 --> 00:29:59.759
<v Speaker 1>when you think about.

628
00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:06.240
<v Speaker 2>That no one owes anyone shit, ever remember? That?

629
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah look so In june, eleventh nineteen eighty, one he

630
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<v Speaker 1>Invited renee over to have dinner with him at his.

631
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<v Speaker 1>Apartment not as a, date, though but under the pretext

632
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<v Speaker 1>that his professor wanted Some german poetry. Recorded but As

633
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<v Speaker 1>i'm sure you, assumed you, say planned to Murder renee that.

634
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<v Speaker 1>Night Poor, renee considering himself, weak, ugly and, small he

635
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<v Speaker 1>Selected renee for her health and, beauty which were characteristics

636
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<v Speaker 1>he felt he, lacked and he wanted to absorb her.

637
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<v Speaker 1>Energy AND i guess he thought he could do this

638
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<v Speaker 1>by through consuming.

639
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 2>Her that is fucked, up super fucked.

640
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Like the poor. Thing LIKE i feel like she was

641
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 1>just like a kind person because she enjoyed hanging out with,

642
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 1>him but it was strictly friendship or. Whatever, Right but,

643
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 1>then AND i don't even think that she had the

644
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>knowledge that he had this obsession with.

645
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Her AND i think that like absorbing her beauty and,

646
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:16.160
<v Speaker 2>stuff that's got to be completely like an. AFTERTHOUGHT i

647
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:19.400
<v Speaker 2>called bullshit on, that because he's already got these like

648
00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 2>these thoughts of wanting to consume. Someone he's already got

649
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.799
<v Speaker 2>an idea on these Tall western women that he, likes

650
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 2>so she fits the, profile and he already knows what

651
00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:35.000
<v Speaker 2>he wants to do with. HER i think he's just

652
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:37.640
<v Speaker 2>adding that in after the fact to make himself feel

653
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Speaker 2>better about doing the.

654
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:42.240
<v Speaker 1>Act, Possibly, YEAH i don't know if that was Ever,

655
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Speaker 1>yeah it would have been stated AFTER i. Suppose BUT i,

656
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:50.839
<v Speaker 1>mean this desire has been going on for, decades PROBABLY i,

657
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 1>Know and exactly my.

658
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Point he's been having these desires for, Decades so why would,

659
00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:59.680
<v Speaker 2>WELL i wanted, to you, know imbue her energy and,

660
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:03.400
<v Speaker 2>beauty and to, me why would that change the desires

661
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 2>and make it? Okay why is it now that's what

662
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:07.400
<v Speaker 2>made me want to do.

663
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 1>It, yeah there was actually some reports that did say

664
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:13.359
<v Speaker 1>his story would kind of change a little bit through

665
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 1>the years. Slightly SO i mean he's just making it

666
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:20.200
<v Speaker 1>his perfect story really, Right, well it's growing in his

667
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.319
<v Speaker 1>head and he's probably justifying his actions in a way.

668
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Exactly that's justifying, actions and humans are infamous for doing.

669
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>So justifying one's, actions and hindsight is twenty. Twenty so

670
00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.079
<v Speaker 2>after the, Fact, okay you look at the situation and

671
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:41.359
<v Speaker 2>you justify your, actions and you convince yourself that this

672
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:42.799
<v Speaker 2>is why you did, it not that you're trying to

673
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.119
<v Speaker 2>convince other. People you're convincing yourself this is WHY i did.

674
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:49.039
<v Speaker 1>It, well you always come up with better shit after

675
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>you've done. Something oh, Yeah OH i should have done.

676
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.839
<v Speaker 2>THIS i can't count the amount of times WHERE i

677
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>should have yelled at that person at that intersection because

678
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 2>he cut me off and he was, asshole but you

679
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't even honk, Right and then like two months, LATER

680
00:33:04.559 --> 00:33:06.519
<v Speaker 2>i wake up at three, Am OH i should have done,

681
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:12.640
<v Speaker 2>This like you, know it haunts, you it does that asshole, seriously, okay,

682
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:16.599
<v Speaker 2>seriously one day you were, there he turned he cut me,

683
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 2>OFF i flipped him, off and he turned round the

684
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 2>lights and followed us down and then like pulled a

685
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.480
<v Speaker 2>yui and was glaring at, Us AND i, WAS i

686
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 2>should have done. Something, really you don't remember. THAT i

687
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:26.680
<v Speaker 2>don't THINK i.

688
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:30.599
<v Speaker 1>DO i forget like, that Realazi, ANYWAYS i should HAVE

689
00:33:30.920 --> 00:33:34.240
<v Speaker 1>i should have Done, yeah.

690
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>WELL i was, LIKE i think we were like eighteen

691
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 2>or nineteen at the. Time SO i was a little.

692
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:41.039
<v Speaker 2>Cowardice he was a full grown. Adult oh my, goodness

693
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>came back to the. Story, SORRY i. Digress.

694
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay so Was renee was sitting At ASA's desk reading.

695
00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Poetry her back was turned to, him so he took

696
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>this as his, opportunity grabbing his twenty two caliber. Rifle you,

697
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.359
<v Speaker 1>say would Shoot renee in the back at the, neck

698
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>some reports saying after which he would faint from the

699
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 1>shock of what he just. Did not all reports said,

700
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>that but some reports that said it was a shock

701
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:13.159
<v Speaker 1>or seeing the blood or, whatever because he didn't like.

702
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Blood it's known that he doesn't like.

703
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Blood interesting for a. Cannibal that is actually.

704
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 1>INTERESTING i never put that. Together so when he came

705
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>to he realized he could finally carry out his plan

706
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>of consuming human, flesh, meat whatever you want to call.

707
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:34.719
<v Speaker 1>It but being attracted To, renee he initially had sex

708
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:38.920
<v Speaker 1>with the, corpse, which oh my, gosh, Like i'm so, sorry,

709
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:44.639
<v Speaker 1>guys because my last one was and that's just. Shit

710
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:48.760
<v Speaker 1>it's just all. Shit that's the only Thing i'm mentioning about.

711
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>That but once that was, done it was time to

712
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 1>fulfill the fantasies he had been brewing since he was basically.

713
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:58.760
<v Speaker 2>A, child well since six right.

714
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Six, seven, yeah grade. One but like most of his,

715
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>plans he did not have this fully thought. Out he

716
00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:08.280
<v Speaker 1>knew he wanted to start on the, ass which looked

717
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:11.599
<v Speaker 1>most delicious to, him and to start on the right,

718
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:13.920
<v Speaker 1>side as it was the furthest from the, heart and

719
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 1>he had a fear of. BLOOD i don't even know

720
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 1>if that makes, sense but that was his.

721
00:35:17.880 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Logic that doesn't make, Sense but to be, honest in

722
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:26.760
<v Speaker 2>any sort of butcher butchery or, anything the ass is

723
00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:30.400
<v Speaker 2>where you have the nicest cuts of. Meat, REALLY i

724
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:33.480
<v Speaker 2>think rump, rose the nicest, STEAK i, mean tenderloin is

725
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:35.800
<v Speaker 2>up into the back and stuff like, that but it's

726
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 2>still kind of the rear. End, humhm that like basically

727
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:44.840
<v Speaker 2>from your middle back down your spine into your. Butt

728
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that's where the nicest meat will.

729
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>Be oh my, gosh you know, What i'd honestly Think

730
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>i'd rather just starve to death than have To, yeah

731
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.920
<v Speaker 1>can assume a, HUMANS i feel you, LIKE i couldn't

732
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:58.360
<v Speaker 1>imagine looking at someone's ass and being like.

733
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Tasty but muscle structure is muscle, structure and well like.

734
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Tasting maybe that person is a nice ass and all.

735
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:09.920
<v Speaker 1>THAT i Want champa bite some, ass, no, Okay but

736
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 1>he quickly realized that he couldn't bite into the. Skin

737
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.039
<v Speaker 1>his teeth weren't sharp enough and it was hurting his.

738
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Jaw so he rummaged through his kitchen to find something

739
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.880
<v Speaker 1>to assist, him trying to find a fruit knife or

740
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 1>he did, find, sorry a fruit, knife but that also

741
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 1>did not. Work he had nothing in his kitchen that

742
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:29.599
<v Speaker 1>was sharp, enough WHICH i was.

743
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Like sharpen your, knives, man that's really.

744
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Weird LIKE i would have a few.

745
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Knives i've got a knife on my hip sharp enough right,

746
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.079
<v Speaker 2>here right, Now oh my, god at all.

747
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Times so he made a trip to the market to

748
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 1>purchase a curved meat, knife and this did the, trick

749
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>And esay began to cut Into rene's. Body in his own,

750
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.519
<v Speaker 1>words he thought he would see red meat right, away

751
00:36:56.719 --> 00:37:01.199
<v Speaker 1>but instead there was a yellow corn light like substance fat.

752
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Fat he had to cut very deeply to reach the red,

753
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 1>meat experimenting by consuming some pieces raw the breast and the,

754
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:16.440
<v Speaker 1>face cooking other, pieces and experimenting with different. Sauces he

755
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:20.039
<v Speaker 1>ended up saving his favorite pieces in the, refrigerator like

756
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the thigh to have. Later. Wow, okay that actually just

757
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>made me feel LIKE i was about to throw.

758
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Up, yeah that was. Gross that was a. Lot, sorry

759
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Speaker 2>cool deep. Breast the only thing that's saving me right

760
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:35.519
<v Speaker 2>now is because of. Hunting i'm not picturing. Human i'm

761
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 2>picturing like, animal you, Know i'm picturing.

762
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 1>HUMAN i think that might be Why i've been like,

763
00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 1>queasy because this cases are.

764
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Disgust, oh this is. Nasty don't get me. WRONG i

765
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.199
<v Speaker 2>think disassociating is the only thing that's.

766
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Saving, yeah maybe that's what we need to. Do. So

767
00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 1>esay was also documenting each stage of the process by

768
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:58.360
<v Speaker 1>taking photos Of renee's. Body this will go on for two,

769
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 1>days describing the meat a, soft odorless like, tuna and

770
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 1>that it would just melt in your.

771
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Mouth, WOW i don't know what to say to? That.

772
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Wow he consumed pieces Of renees, calves, lips, thighs and

773
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 1>breasts until he felt her body was no longer consumable

774
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>and needed to be disposed.

775
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Of, OKAY i, MEAN i mean fair, Enough but that's

776
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:31.119
<v Speaker 2>that's not a THOUGHT i want to.

777
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Think, no, no, no it's, nasty like he's.

778
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 2>Nasty, Yeah, okay keep, GOING i want to move on

779
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:38.800
<v Speaker 2>from this. Part keep, going get us out of these.

780
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Woods so he went about purchasing two suitcases and decided

781
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.840
<v Speaker 1>it would be a great idea to dispose Of renee's

782
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>body inside these, suitcases describing the process of cutting up

783
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:55.280
<v Speaker 1>a body to actually be quite, hard nothing like you

784
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:56.119
<v Speaker 1>would see in horror.

785
00:38:56.199 --> 00:39:00.079
<v Speaker 2>Movies. Nope But i'm just, LIKE i thought that that

786
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:00.920
<v Speaker 2>was a terrible.

787
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 1>COMPARISON i, MEAN i guess what else would he have

788
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:06.559
<v Speaker 1>it to compare it? To BUT i was just, like

789
00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:07.559
<v Speaker 1>does he need to say that?

790
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 2>Aloud, well There's i'm trying to think what the movie is.

791
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 2>CALLED i. DO i do remember the main villain Being

792
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:19.400
<v Speaker 2>art the, clown AND i remember the, movie BUT i

793
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 2>can't remember what it's. Called. Horror. Horror horror fans out

794
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 2>there will be able to tell me what the movie.

795
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>Is but there's one scene where he has a woman

796
00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 2>hanging upside down by her, ankles and he takes a

797
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 2>handsaw and starts at her groin while she's alive and

798
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:35.400
<v Speaker 2>cuts her straight down The oh my, gosh she's done

799
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:39.559
<v Speaker 2>in like five. Seconds oh, Yeah like that's that's an

800
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:43.079
<v Speaker 2>all day affair if you're gonna try and do. That oh, god,

801
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:48.199
<v Speaker 2>like because a, saw for, example will cut through, bone

802
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 2>it'll gum up in flesh and it won't continue to.

803
00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 2>CUT a knife needs to be sharp to go through the,

804
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:57.760
<v Speaker 2>flesh but it has trouble going through things like cartilage

805
00:39:58.159 --> 00:39:59.199
<v Speaker 2>and it will not go through.

806
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Bone, Okay so even like the zombie killing, shows is

807
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>that just too easy? There killing and like chopping the

808
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:08.000
<v Speaker 1>heads off and stuff is way too?

809
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Easy oh, yeah way too. Easy things would get like

810
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:14.920
<v Speaker 2>unless it's like a majorly sharp katana that's being wielded

811
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:18.800
<v Speaker 2>by a, Professional, yeah it would go through a neck

812
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:22.920
<v Speaker 2>or a torso even but it's it's not.

813
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 1>NORMAL i would actually think it would have been easy,

814
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 1>TOO i.

815
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Guess. Now, well back in like way Old, japan they

816
00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:34.719
<v Speaker 2>judged blades by how many bodies they could go, through

817
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.400
<v Speaker 2>so how many bodies of samurai could cut, through and

818
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.119
<v Speaker 2>they do test them today with pigs in a similar.

819
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:48.559
<v Speaker 2>SITUATION i believe the highest recorded one is a seven bodied,

820
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:51.079
<v Speaker 2>blade but that even could be. Legend don't quote me on.

821
00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:54.639
<v Speaker 1>That, oh, like you can go kill seven people in.

822
00:40:54.599 --> 00:41:00.639
<v Speaker 2>One, swing in one, swing one swing through horsos of

823
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:06.119
<v Speaker 2>that many. People but that's with a high quality, blade

824
00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:11.679
<v Speaker 2>very sharp by a. Professional your average day person is

825
00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:13.800
<v Speaker 2>going to have trouble going through a single body with

826
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 2>a professional, blade let alone a crappy one that's forty

827
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 2>dollars that you bought On.

828
00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Amazon, Okay, well so he just put in an out

829
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 1>there that it's quite, hard just so we all know

830
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:25.320
<v Speaker 1>this at this.

831
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Point, yeah, SORRY i digress.

832
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.679
<v Speaker 1>Again, NO i was talking about, say he was the

833
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:33.199
<v Speaker 1>one that said at, first right and you're just going, along, yeah.

834
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.800
<v Speaker 2>But THEN i got off on the samurais In japan and, yeah.

835
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:40.159
<v Speaker 1>So his plan was to dispose of the suitcases in

836
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 1>a lake At Boyd, blong which is a HUGE i

837
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.960
<v Speaker 1>probably pronounced that. Wrong i'm just gonna, say probably pronounced

838
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:48.320
<v Speaker 1>that wrong BECAUSE i do feel. Bad but it's a

839
00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:49.519
<v Speaker 1>major park In.

840
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Paris and, yeah that is this is a hard. Word

841
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:54.800
<v Speaker 2>you should have got Your French canadian. Out you should

842
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:55.079
<v Speaker 2>have got.

843
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 1>THAT i actually don't remember any of My french from high,

844
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.159
<v Speaker 1>school like, none because, okay for people actually that don't,

845
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.280
<v Speaker 1>know like, We i'm pretty sure it's still a. Thing

846
00:42:04.320 --> 00:42:07.280
<v Speaker 1>but where we were expected to Take, french you had to.

847
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Take it was a core mandatory course up until grade

848
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:11.840
<v Speaker 1>ten nine.

849
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Ten, oh it was less than. That for. ME i

850
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.880
<v Speaker 2>think it was at least in high, school though not for,

851
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:21.079
<v Speaker 2>me not even in middle. School for, ME i THINK

852
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:24.119
<v Speaker 2>i stopped in grade. Six, OKAY i thought you had.

853
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 1>TO i don't, know BUT i was an overachiever, though

854
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.440
<v Speaker 1>so maybe in my MIND i felt like you had

855
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 1>to and you.

856
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 2>DIDN'T i do. Know there's lots of places In, canada

857
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:33.480
<v Speaker 2>like over In, ONTARIO i Believe quo, back of, course

858
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.519
<v Speaker 2>because they are Primarily. French but there are many provinces

859
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>In canada where they do ensure that you Speak french still.

860
00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>PRIMARILY i think it's probably close to like seventy seventy

861
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 2>five percent Of canadians don't Know. French over here IN,

862
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.119
<v Speaker 2>bc it's very rare to find a resident who Speaks.

863
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.880
<v Speaker 1>French BUT i DO i did think that you had

864
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 1>to take it up to a certain. PERIOD i don't,

865
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:55.440
<v Speaker 1>know but that doesn't.

866
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:55.679
<v Speaker 2>Matter.

867
00:42:55.800 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay so this dude was taking these suitcases to a public.

868
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Park he was doing it at eight o'clock at, night

869
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 1>and he didn't realize that it being like, summer that

870
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:12.199
<v Speaker 1>it was still light. Outside he was surprised by, This.

871
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay when he left.

872
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:17.239
<v Speaker 1>His apartment with these, suitcases it surprised him that it

873
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:18.119
<v Speaker 1>was still fucking light.

874
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Outside he should just wait till it's. DARK i.

875
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:22.320
<v Speaker 1>KNOW i was, like at that, point you should probably

876
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 1>just turn. Around. Yep and like where he was going

877
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 1>was like a popular, Place so this just doesn't make any.

878
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Sense so he Hid renee's body inside these two. Suitcases

879
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.679
<v Speaker 1>he calls a, taxi which is another weird, thing and

880
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 1>proceeds to make his way to the.

881
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Park so the taxi took the. Body then he went

882
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:49.599
<v Speaker 2>in a taxi with the. Suitcases, Wow.

883
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay the funny thing is this taxi driver who was

884
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:57.199
<v Speaker 1>helping him with the suitcases made a joke regarding the

885
00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>weight of them and jokingly asked if the bags can

886
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.519
<v Speaker 1>in a, corpse to which he, replied, no just books.

887
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Dark oh AND i bet you that's not even the

888
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:12.159
<v Speaker 1>first time something like that's, happened BECAUSE i know so

889
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.280
<v Speaker 1>many times something's. Heavy oh my, gosh what do you

890
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>have in?

891
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:16.639
<v Speaker 2>HERE a? Body, yeah that's the go to.

892
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Joke and then that is probably sometimes maybe one out

893
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:22.679
<v Speaker 1>OF i don't know how many it's a.

894
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Body. Wow although books is a good, answer.

895
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Because, yeah, heavy because he was a student too, write

896
00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:32.039
<v Speaker 1>so it just made. Sense now the visual is just too.

897
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Much it would not have been easy for, you, say

898
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.360
<v Speaker 1>to maneuver these suitcases through the park in the daylight

899
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:42.679
<v Speaker 1>without going a. Notice so just imagine for a, second

900
00:44:43.239 --> 00:44:48.519
<v Speaker 1>a four foot nine man carrying two not wheeled. Suitcases

901
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 1>remember this is nineteen eighty. ONE i don't think wheels

902
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:55.760
<v Speaker 1>on suitcases was quite invented. Yet And, renee though she

903
00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:00.360
<v Speaker 1>was partially, consumed her remaining, Remains i'm sure with still.

904
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Outway you, say, so he's carrying two suitcases that outweigh,

905
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.840
<v Speaker 1>him threw a public park in the daylight with a

906
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:09.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of people.

907
00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:15.599
<v Speaker 2>AROUND i probably would offer to help, him, Honestly OH

908
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>i guess, Yeah i'm surprised someone. Did Canadian oh.

909
00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>My, gosh could you imagine then later you like found

910
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 1>out those body in, there.

911
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Man, yeah and what if this?

912
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay you offer to help, him because his original plan

913
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:32.360
<v Speaker 1>was he was going to be throwing these suitcases in the,

914
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>lake which doesn't even really make a lot of. Sense

915
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 1>HOW i don't know how he was getting in this.

916
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Lake but then if he's, like if you offer to help, them,

917
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah i'm just tearing these down to the, lake he.

918
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Probably wouldn't have accepted help, honestly now would have been

919
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:45.119
<v Speaker 2>on that, way.

920
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay so people were, noticing, noticing which was starting to

921
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>make him, nervous so he found a quiet spot to

922
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:57.639
<v Speaker 1>take a. Break he was running out of energy at this,

923
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.519
<v Speaker 1>point mm, hmm and he started to get to acted

924
00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and admire the sunset that was taking, place WHICH i

925
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:06.760
<v Speaker 1>think is so fucked that's, interesting but that was what was.

926
00:46:06.800 --> 00:46:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Happening he was standing slightly away from the suitcases at the,

927
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:13.559
<v Speaker 1>time and a man asked if they belonged to, him

928
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:19.559
<v Speaker 1>which he impulsively said, no later thinking if he had said,

929
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.239
<v Speaker 1>yes the man would probably have just like gone on

930
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 1>his way and left him. Alone as the man proceeded

931
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:31.280
<v Speaker 1>to investigate the, suitcases opening, them he quickly discovered there

932
00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:34.719
<v Speaker 1>was human remains inside the. Suitcase and yelled out.

933
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Murderer, shit do you like point at the? Dude then

934
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:40.559
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i, sayah what's his?

935
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:45.519
<v Speaker 1>NAME i, say say, okay now you got me a say, yeah.

936
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Okay so he yells out. Murderer but at this, Time

937
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:53.960
<v Speaker 1>asay's already stroll him back to his.

938
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Apartment oh, okay.

939
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah so he didn't stay for this come. Oution he

940
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.159
<v Speaker 1>was like, pace fair, enough face some.

941
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Out i'm really hoping that it was only one. Victim

942
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 2>just throwing that out there, now don't tell, me just

943
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:08.639
<v Speaker 2>keep going.

944
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay because everything done BY asa was really quite poorly,

945
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:18.079
<v Speaker 1>planned police were able to connect the suitcases to him

946
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>quite quickly within four. Days, yes they did this via

947
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the cab driver that picked him up and brought him

948
00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:27.400
<v Speaker 1>to the. Park like that was just like kind of.

949
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:28.679
<v Speaker 2>Dumb, yeah that was really.

950
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Stupid and at the time of the arrest he admittedly

951
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.199
<v Speaker 1>he openly admitted to everything and admitted at the time

952
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 1>a feeling relief that he was.

953
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Caught, Basically i'm glad there was only one.

954
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Victim there was only one victim, yet but really there

955
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:48.519
<v Speaker 1>was no way out for him because in his apartment

956
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 1>it contained cooked and uncooked human. Remains fuck the photos

957
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>he took of the process and a PHOTO id card

958
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:00.239
<v Speaker 1>belonging To. Renee oh, god so like the key had

959
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to admit. It there's just no way.

960
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Out.

961
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.639
<v Speaker 1>Now you would think that that's. It this dude is

962
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:07.039
<v Speaker 1>going to, jail like he's fucked.

963
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Right WELL i would think, that but you told me

964
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 2>that there's more beyond, that so let's hear. It but

965
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.840
<v Speaker 2>that was not the. Case ah, fuck here we.

966
00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Go he is actually oh free as we, speak and

967
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.960
<v Speaker 1>he has been Since august, twelfth nineteen eighty. Six and

968
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.119
<v Speaker 1>if we need a, refresher he committed the Crime june

969
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:30.360
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty. One.

970
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Wow five, years, yeah five years two months that's what he.

971
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Served, yeah, YEAH i, MIGHT i. CAN'T i THINK i

972
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 1>haven't listed it, below but like not enough, time not

973
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 1>even remotely enough.

974
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Time what the actual? Fuck?

975
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah and oh, man this case it just goes really,

976
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:51.480
<v Speaker 1>downhill like we're not.

977
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.559
<v Speaker 2>Done so he murdered someone eight eighth them tried to

978
00:48:55.840 --> 00:49:00.119
<v Speaker 2>just dispose of the body and he gets five years.

979
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:05.239
<v Speaker 1>But not really even because let's just let's just dive.

980
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 2>In, here, okay, okay dive In, so first.

981
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Off his, Father, wealthy hired him a good.

982
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Lawyer.

983
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Right he was contained In france for two years while

984
00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.960
<v Speaker 1>he was examined by, psychologists and it was determined by

985
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:24.800
<v Speaker 1>The french court That esay was mentally, ill they, said legally,

986
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:28.639
<v Speaker 1>insane and was able to was unable to stand. Trial

987
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:35.159
<v Speaker 1>he was ordered to be held indefinitely in a criminal psychiatric. Wart,

988
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:41.559
<v Speaker 1>wow so that's not necessarily even serving. Time that's that's

989
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>getting help, Right, WELL i, MEAN i guess it's kind

990
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.119
<v Speaker 1>of serving. Time and it was saying that he would

991
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 1>be in there.

992
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Indefinitely there's there's arguments to. That mind, YOU i haven't

993
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:55.960
<v Speaker 2>really done my due diligence of research into, it but

994
00:49:56.000 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 2>there's there's arguments on that those facilities really end up

995
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:04.199
<v Speaker 2>being a lot worse than serving time in. Prison they could.

996
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.239
<v Speaker 1>Be, so, YEAH i have no. Idea i've NEVER i,

997
00:50:07.239 --> 00:50:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Mean i've seen a jail and, stuff BUT i don't

998
00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:12.480
<v Speaker 1>think i've ever really like looked inside of what a

999
00:50:12.519 --> 00:50:13.800
<v Speaker 1>psychiatric word would look.

1000
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Like ALTHOUGH i do like back in the, DAY i don't, know,

1001
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 2>eighties but definitely farther it, Was, oh it could have

1002
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:20.039
<v Speaker 2>been even.

1003
00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Worse nowadays they might not be quite as.

1004
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 2>Bad, Yeah like back, then you're going through at least

1005
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 2>electric shock therapy that sort of, stuff.

1006
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Because they didn't even believe that mental andness was necessarily

1007
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 1>a thing back in the.

1008
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Day, yeah so it was, like we're going to just

1009
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:32.840
<v Speaker 2>shock cure.

1010
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:38.360
<v Speaker 1>You so while he was, there you, say would write

1011
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:42.519
<v Speaker 1>a book titled in The, fog which he also. Illustrated

1012
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:46.320
<v Speaker 1>but now my question here is if he was determined

1013
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:51.159
<v Speaker 1>to be mentally, ill would someone with, that being diagnosed

1014
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:52.519
<v Speaker 1>with that be able to write a?

1015
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:52.880
<v Speaker 2>Book?

1016
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:55.639
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i, mean because of what he, did it's not

1017
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:59.119
<v Speaker 1>far fetched that it would be determined there was something

1018
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>wrong with. Him BUT i also personally think he knew

1019
00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:05.239
<v Speaker 1>what he was doing and he shouldn't have been using

1020
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.599
<v Speaker 1>that time to write a, book but maybe rather get

1021
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:08.159
<v Speaker 1>the help that he.

1022
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Needed, WELL i think someone with an illness like, that

1023
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:15.360
<v Speaker 2>is well with an, illness is definitely capable of writing a.

1024
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.440
<v Speaker 2>BOOK i think it depends on the.

1025
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Illness, well they had they had said that he, was

1026
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:23.880
<v Speaker 1>they use the words legally.

1027
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Insane, yeah but what's that equivalent to today today's? DEFINITION

1028
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:29.000
<v Speaker 2>i don't.

1029
00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Know but then, anyway he wrote a. Book the book

1030
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:34.760
<v Speaker 1>he was he wrote was said to be, fiction but

1031
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:38.119
<v Speaker 1>basically resembled his story to a t that it was

1032
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.440
<v Speaker 1>concluded to be a true account of his brutal.

1033
00:51:40.519 --> 00:51:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Crime but, yeah he labeled it. Fiction yeah like super.

1034
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.679
<v Speaker 2>Interesting that sounds Insane.

1035
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Actually, yeah either, way both families, involved he, says And

1036
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.320
<v Speaker 1>renees did not want this book to be published for

1037
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:00.639
<v Speaker 1>very understandable, reasons but, humans being the curious beings we,

1038
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 1>are wanted to read his story and all the gruesome

1039
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:08.320
<v Speaker 1>details that came with, it making the book a bestseller

1040
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.480
<v Speaker 1>And issay to become a celebrity in Both france And.

1041
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Japan fuck a, celebrity Jess.

1042
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Ua now there are mixed reports, here but they could

1043
00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:24.280
<v Speaker 1>all go hand in. Hand france didn't like the publicity

1044
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:28.159
<v Speaker 1>that came With asay's new, fame and The french public

1045
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:31.760
<v Speaker 1>was growing upset that was being kept at their, dollar

1046
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 1>their expense, right and lawyer was also allegedly Convincing french

1047
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:40.960
<v Speaker 1>authorities that it would be better to have him received

1048
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:45.840
<v Speaker 1>treatment in A japanese. Facility issa was deported back To

1049
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:50.280
<v Speaker 1>japan and immediately committed to a hospital In tokyo for

1050
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:54.840
<v Speaker 1>evaluation and. Treatment now this is the part that's complete.

1051
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Shit this is the part that the whole thing is complete.

1052
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Shit but you. HAVE i just have to wonder what

1053
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:05.599
<v Speaker 1>exactly happened here BECAUSE i just feel Like AS's lawyer

1054
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 1>or dad or both of them had a hand in.

1055
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:11.360
<v Speaker 1>THIS i don't, know JUST i don't. Know i'll carry,

1056
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:14.360
<v Speaker 1>on but just how little time he like kind of,

1057
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:18.119
<v Speaker 1>served you? Know oh, Yeah so at the new hospital In,

1058
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:22.199
<v Speaker 1>tokyo it was determined by psychologists That essay was in

1059
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:27.719
<v Speaker 1>fact not mentally, ill and the sexual perversion was. Found

1060
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:32.320
<v Speaker 1>that sexual perversion story was found to be his only

1061
00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 1>motivation for the murder Of, rene so he could now

1062
00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.880
<v Speaker 1>be criminally responsible for her.

1063
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Crime, okay so this is where he's going to get.

1064
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Charged but why did he not serve the?

1065
00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Time but with the transfer Of essay To, Japan french

1066
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:51.960
<v Speaker 1>officials had sealed his documents and did not want to

1067
00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:56.400
<v Speaker 1>share them With japanese. Authorities what they didn't share?

1068
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.199
<v Speaker 2>Them are you fucking kidding?

1069
00:53:58.239 --> 00:54:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Me this caused a problem because now they basically had

1070
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:07.119
<v Speaker 1>nothing to Hold essay and and basically he was allowed

1071
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:08.079
<v Speaker 1>to check him out of the.

1072
00:54:08.119 --> 00:54:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Hospital are you fucking? Seid that's what. Happened so he's

1073
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 2>just checked himself out And france did nothing about.

1074
00:54:13.880 --> 00:54:20.639
<v Speaker 1>It, yeah, lay, FUCK i know it's it just HAS

1075
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.719
<v Speaker 1>i just feel like there has to be like more

1076
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:25.679
<v Speaker 1>to that.

1077
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:29.920
<v Speaker 2>That, wow, YEAH i think there's more to. That my

1078
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.360
<v Speaker 2>guess is someone somewhere fucked up or or. That oh,

1079
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:35.000
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i don't.

1080
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:38.760
<v Speaker 1>KNOW i just wonder like he was a wealthy, man he.

1081
00:54:38.679 --> 00:54:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Could have intercepted.

1082
00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 1>SOMETHING i don't, know because that's really.

1083
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.039
<v Speaker 2>FUCKED i was going to say someone somewhere lost the

1084
00:54:46.079 --> 00:54:47.760
<v Speaker 2>files or lost the evidence or.

1085
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Something, no they are basically, Sealed and but are They

1086
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:52.719
<v Speaker 1>that's my.

1087
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Thing, well because.

1088
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:57.800
<v Speaker 1>One REPORT i even read basically said Like france like

1089
00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:00.079
<v Speaker 1>be rid it of, him drop the charges in every.

1090
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Thing so they sealed the, documents they are. Gone oh

1091
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:07.920
<v Speaker 1>but then when he goes To japan and they are

1092
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:12.480
<v Speaker 1>not finding him mentally, ill then that means that he

1093
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:17.039
<v Speaker 1>did that. Willingly but they have, nothing they have absolutely,

1094
00:55:17.079 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 1>nothing and he checks himself.

1095
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Out, Wow, okay that is.

1096
00:55:20.800 --> 00:55:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Fucked and he's been a free man ever since he

1097
00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:27.360
<v Speaker 1>served about four years in A france hospital in fifteen

1098
00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:31.719
<v Speaker 1>months in A japanese hospital for the murder Of Rene.

1099
00:55:31.719 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 1>HEARTFELT i would basically say that's what you call falling

1100
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:37.840
<v Speaker 1>through the cracks of the justice.

1101
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:41.159
<v Speaker 2>System no, kidding because.

1102
00:55:40.880 --> 00:55:44.000
<v Speaker 1>He should have been in there for, life especially with

1103
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 1>the ship That i'm still about to share with.

1104
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:47.880
<v Speaker 2>You there's, More there's.

1105
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:48.760
<v Speaker 1>More this is not the.

1106
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:53.440
<v Speaker 2>End what are you?

1107
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Good got a? Few we got a bit more pages

1108
00:55:56.039 --> 00:55:56.760
<v Speaker 1>to go through here?

1109
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:01.840
<v Speaker 2>Pages are you fucking kidding?

1110
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Me? Okay, so in the in The vice INTERVIEW i,

1111
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Watch say describes being let out of the hospital as

1112
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:14.119
<v Speaker 1>being forced out of the. Hospital he was very much

1113
00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:16.119
<v Speaker 1>so plays like a victim role in.

1114
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.639
<v Speaker 2>This, okay is this? Thing is this The france, hospital

1115
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:20.119
<v Speaker 2>The japanese, one like.

1116
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.519
<v Speaker 1>The Japanese like he's, Done he's out in the free.

1117
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Right he thinks that he was forced out and that

1118
00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:29.039
<v Speaker 1>he's a victim, basically and that he has no, job no.

1119
00:56:29.199 --> 00:56:31.519
<v Speaker 2>Income oh, OKAY i, SEE i see what you.

1120
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Mean, so AND i don't. KNOW i just watching, That

1121
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:38.599
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i, MEAN i would suggest maybe watching that interview

1122
00:56:38.599 --> 00:56:41.920
<v Speaker 1>because you get to he's in, it and it's just so.

1123
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 1>Disturbing it's so disturbing that he is even able out

1124
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:45.920
<v Speaker 1>in doing these.

1125
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Interviews i'm just, like.

1126
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Ugh, okay so NOW i have more to, say and

1127
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i, said it just keeps getting.

1128
00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Worse fuck good. THING i have a lot of whiskey

1129
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:55.960
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty.

1130
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Five so this is going back. Slightly crime scene photos

1131
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:04.079
<v Speaker 1>from an murder and dismemberment were actually leaked to the

1132
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:09.199
<v Speaker 1>press and published by a Popular french. Magazine and these

1133
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:10.440
<v Speaker 1>photos are.

1134
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Horrific oh, Shit so The french can publish these photos

1135
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.519
<v Speaker 2>but not the. Information WHAT i don't.

1136
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:18.599
<v Speaker 1>Know someone leaked. THEM i don't know if it was

1137
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>someone like in The morgue OR i don't, know but

1138
00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.559
<v Speaker 1>someone leaked these photos and.

1139
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:27.199
<v Speaker 2>That whoever is doing this shit like fuck.

1140
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:29.840
<v Speaker 1>THEM i know. Something there's like more to.

1141
00:57:29.960 --> 00:57:32.079
<v Speaker 2>This that's WHY i say there's more to, it one hundred.

1142
00:57:32.079 --> 00:57:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Percent so some of the worst and these are some

1143
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:36.760
<v Speaker 1>of the worst victim Photos i've ever. SEEN i showed

1144
00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:39.920
<v Speaker 1>them to. You the fact That renee's family and friends

1145
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 1>had to see them when like they should have just

1146
00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:46.199
<v Speaker 1>been sealed up, forever just like literally breaks my, Heart

1147
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.280
<v Speaker 1>like that is a loved one AND i just could

1148
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:50.920
<v Speaker 1>never imagine seeing a loved one like.

1149
00:57:50.960 --> 00:57:52.719
<v Speaker 2>That, well those are the photos you showed. Me and

1150
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:55.880
<v Speaker 2>WHAT i told you is it almost doesn't look. Real

1151
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 2>it looks like a mannequin very much so like the

1152
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Black dahlia was, described looks like a.

1153
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Mannequin the images Show renee's nude, body which has been.

1154
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Dismembered her head and limbs are no longer attached to her,

1155
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:14.199
<v Speaker 1>body and there's a lot of damage from her from, him,

1156
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>sorry removing pieces of her body to. Consume, yeah, man,

1157
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Sorry i'm. GOOD a reporter was arrested for publishing the

1158
00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:28.000
<v Speaker 1>photos and over two hundred thousand copies of the. Magazines

1159
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:31.519
<v Speaker 1>the magazines were. Seized but when something like that is out,

1160
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:36.159
<v Speaker 1>there it's out. There. Yeah and this, though the REASON

1161
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:39.119
<v Speaker 1>i put this in. There this just added To ASA's

1162
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:43.400
<v Speaker 1>fame and he started to be referred to as the celebrity.

1163
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Cannibal oh, fuck are you?

1164
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:50.519
<v Speaker 1>Serious and he was all for capitalizing on the public's

1165
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:51.400
<v Speaker 1>interest in his.

1166
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Crimes he is banking on this like he is making.

1167
00:58:56.159 --> 00:58:58.199
<v Speaker 2>Money he's making a lot of. Money.

1168
00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Fuck he wrote a weekly column in a Popular japanese

1169
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:06.840
<v Speaker 1>tabloid magazine in addition to the book he wrote while,

1170
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:12.519
<v Speaker 1>hospitalized he also wrote and published several other, novels Including Illustrated.

1171
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:14.840
<v Speaker 1>Magnas do you know what that? Is?

1172
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:16.760
<v Speaker 2>No, sorry, OKAY i thought you.

1173
00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Would it's A maybaen, pronouncer but it's comics or graphic

1174
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:25.639
<v Speaker 1>novels originating From. Japan Manga magna, magna mang ga maa.

1175
00:59:25.719 --> 00:59:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Manga, well, actually manga is technically how it's. Pronounced, okay

1176
00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:32.400
<v Speaker 2>so he did. That manga is The western, pronunciation but

1177
00:59:32.480 --> 00:59:33.599
<v Speaker 2>manga is how it's actually.

1178
00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Pronounced and then he also edited an anthology about cannibism.

1179
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Fantasies he appeared as a lecturer at universities and has

1180
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:48.719
<v Speaker 1>been a guest on Many japanese talk Shows Most disturbing

1181
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Of All You, say has written restaurant reviews For japanese

1182
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:58.440
<v Speaker 1>magazine and appeared on cooking Shows what the, fuck WHICH

1183
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:01.039
<v Speaker 1>i think is in no way he should ever be

1184
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:01.960
<v Speaker 1>associated with.

1185
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Food, no any chef that would associate with, That like,

1186
01:00:06.880 --> 01:00:10.320
<v Speaker 2>WOW i would never support an an individual like. That fuck.

1187
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:13.000
<v Speaker 1>That. No and the thing is, like so, yeah he's

1188
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.679
<v Speaker 1>saying he's a victim and, stuff but he's agreeing to

1189
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.159
<v Speaker 1>all these. Things some of them did like seem like

1190
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 1>they almost put him in a situation where they're like

1191
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:25.159
<v Speaker 1>making fun of him sometimes some of the. Things but, like,

1192
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:27.920
<v Speaker 1>yeah he was profiting money and, stuff and he was

1193
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:32.519
<v Speaker 1>known as like a, celebrity, right, Yeah, okay this could

1194
01:00:32.559 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 1>be more disturbing than him associated with. FOOD i Don't

1195
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:40.239
<v Speaker 1>i'll let you. Decide but he's appeared in several porn

1196
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:45.559
<v Speaker 1>films in which he would bite his co stars or

1197
01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.440
<v Speaker 1>in one, case he was to spend twenty four hours

1198
01:00:48.440 --> 01:00:51.159
<v Speaker 1>with a. Woman they were supposed to have sex three,

1199
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:54.000
<v Speaker 1>times but after the first time that they had, sex

1200
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:57.679
<v Speaker 1>he would have to share his secret with her and

1201
01:00:57.960 --> 01:01:00.440
<v Speaker 1>of what he is and get her reaction on.

1202
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Camera what the fucked? Up? Ship? Yeah, Whoa i'm, sorry

1203
01:01:09.119 --> 01:01:13.039
<v Speaker 2>this is the. Word. Whoa this is the worst case

1204
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:15.760
<v Speaker 2>we fucking. Covered not because it's like the most horrendous

1205
01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:19.960
<v Speaker 2>stuff to the, victim but it. Is but we covered

1206
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:23.440
<v Speaker 2>some some Dark that's my. Point we've covered some dark

1207
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:26.119
<v Speaker 2>ship equally or potentially greater to, this don't get me.

1208
01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:30.199
<v Speaker 2>Wrong but the fact that he's just getting away with

1209
01:01:30.280 --> 01:01:32.880
<v Speaker 2>this and it's now like the highlight of his life

1210
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:35.960
<v Speaker 2>and he is making money off it and he's happy

1211
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and just that is the most fucked.

1212
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Up things Ever so messed like ship.

1213
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Messed, okay wait to pick a fucking one year anniversary? Episode?

1214
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:56.119
<v Speaker 1>WOW i KNOW i was going to actually pick some

1215
01:01:56.280 --> 01:02:00.000
<v Speaker 1>another one where like the husband had burgered his. WIFE

1216
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:03.559
<v Speaker 1>i think, yeah but THEN i was just like needed

1217
01:02:03.599 --> 01:02:07.880
<v Speaker 1>something else to let me mount this. One it's really. Messed,

1218
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:11.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay so to finish this episode, off the most mind

1219
01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:12.480
<v Speaker 1>blowing piece of the.

1220
01:02:12.400 --> 01:02:15.679
<v Speaker 2>Puzzle, oh the most mind blowing. Piece now there's. More

1221
01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.519
<v Speaker 2>are you? Ready? God AND i want to Say i'm,

1222
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:20.719
<v Speaker 2>ready But i'm Sure i'm, Not.

1223
01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:24.000
<v Speaker 1>He, say still. Emits he has a desire to eat,

1224
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:29.559
<v Speaker 1>people and yet he's still roaming the. Streets he openly

1225
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:33.639
<v Speaker 1>admits that he has this, desire and in that one

1226
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:37.199
<v Speaker 1>interview he said that he can control his desires by,

1227
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:41.280
<v Speaker 1>masturbation but for some, reason he can't no longer, masturbate

1228
01:02:41.559 --> 01:02:48.440
<v Speaker 1>and so he fears what he will. Do he's still

1229
01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:50.119
<v Speaker 1>roman the.

1230
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Streets he should be in an. Institute if he has these,

1231
01:02:56.199 --> 01:02:57.679
<v Speaker 2>desires he's.

1232
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Omitting it to the, world but no one's fucking doing it.

1233
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Anything what the.

1234
01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Fuck he also, claims, though that he would never act

1235
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:10.679
<v Speaker 1>on His cannaba's ballistic urges because he has no desire

1236
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.960
<v Speaker 1>to kill another human, being but he will pass by

1237
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.920
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful woman on the street and wonder what she

1238
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:17.800
<v Speaker 1>might taste.

1239
01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Like, DAMN i want to eat that, ass.

1240
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:21.800
<v Speaker 1>But literally taste like.

1241
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Fuck that is so fucked.

1242
01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Up he also said that he thinks his desire to

1243
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Eat renee heartfelt might have been satisfied if she would

1244
01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:38.880
<v Speaker 1>have allowed him to drink her urine and eat her.

1245
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Pubic what your? Face? Oh, anyway so there you.

1246
01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Go maybe you gotta stop with. That SO i can't

1247
01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:57.880
<v Speaker 2>whoa are?

1248
01:03:57.920 --> 01:03:58.000
<v Speaker 1>You?

1249
01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay your face was so. DISTORTED i can't get it.

1250
01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Together i'm, sorry but you are talking about some absolutely horrendous.

1251
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Shit LIKE i, said it's it's of course she went

1252
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.840
<v Speaker 2>through some horrible things absolutely done to. Her but the,

1253
01:04:19.960 --> 01:04:23.559
<v Speaker 2>twist the most twisted part of all of this is

1254
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:32.440
<v Speaker 2>society and humans around this individual who's just SAYING i

1255
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:35.960
<v Speaker 2>have these urges still and they're like, cool tell us

1256
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:36.760
<v Speaker 2>more walk.

1257
01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Free yeah well, okay but what are they supposed to be?

1258
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:43.519
<v Speaker 1>Doing is the thing is he could have Done he

1259
01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:46.840
<v Speaker 1>could have done this, Again like that's a long time

1260
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.639
<v Speaker 1>that he's been out on. It, Yes LIKE i would

1261
01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:50.480
<v Speaker 1>not surprise me.

1262
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<v Speaker 2>If you're very well may have done this.

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01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Again, Yeah like there's a missing. PERSON i mean you

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01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.920
<v Speaker 1>we already know that he was always with sex. Workers

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01:04:57.960 --> 01:05:01.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe he's done this to sex work and that person

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01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:07.280
<v Speaker 1>hasn't been reported missing or something, right LIKE i feel

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01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:09.280
<v Speaker 1>like he could have done this, again.

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01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:12.800
<v Speaker 2>As far as like what they're supposed to. Do he's openly,

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01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:17.159
<v Speaker 2>SAYING i have these. Urges they should be, like we

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01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:20.199
<v Speaker 2>should put you in a. Facility we need to get

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01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:20.679
<v Speaker 2>these under.

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01:05:20.719 --> 01:05:23.679
<v Speaker 1>CONTROL i almost think that he would have probably been

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01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:24.519
<v Speaker 1>receptive of it.

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01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Too probably going, back probably.

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01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.679
<v Speaker 1>Because in some way it does seem like he wants.

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01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:33.679
<v Speaker 2>Help and from the sounds of it, all the biggest

1277
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:36.840
<v Speaker 2>monster of all this not saying that his actions are

1278
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:40.400
<v Speaker 2>worse THAN i. Say is that how you say? IT i,

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01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:43.840
<v Speaker 2>SAY a SAY i think you've gone.

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01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:45.920
<v Speaker 1>BACK i, SAY i KNOW i might. Have IT'S i

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01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:46.760
<v Speaker 1>think it's it's you.

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01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Say not that he's the biggest monster of all is his,

1283
01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Father not that he's committed worse, crimes Because asay has

1284
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:59.760
<v Speaker 2>actually murdered and consumed. Someone but his father is probably

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01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:03.920
<v Speaker 2>the one who's, perpetrating or, sorry perpetuating him to walk the,

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01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:10.440
<v Speaker 2>streets who's paid off The french, officials who's probably holding

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01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:12.119
<v Speaker 2>off anyone who does want to put him in a.

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01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:16.519
<v Speaker 2>Facility they're probably more so afraid of him and what

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01:06:16.559 --> 01:06:18.559
<v Speaker 2>he is going to do or is capable.

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01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:22.599
<v Speaker 1>OF i don't, know, though we don't know, that.

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01:06:22.639 --> 01:06:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Or maybe as wants to go to a facility and

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01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:25.480
<v Speaker 2>his dad's.

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01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:29.719
<v Speaker 1>Like, no because technically he could check himself in.

1294
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Somewhere, WELL i think that's probably the only way they

1295
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:37.239
<v Speaker 2>could hold. Him not that they can't like offer, HIM i.

1296
01:06:37.320 --> 01:06:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Know but, yeah they can't physically make.

1297
01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Him they can't hold, him but they can definitely OFFER i.

1298
01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Believe So, Okay so BASICALLY i just dropped the bomb

1299
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:53.039
<v Speaker 1>THAT i don't. Know the other way that he could

1300
01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:57.480
<v Speaker 1>be controlling his desires, though is maybe by drinking people's

1301
01:06:57.559 --> 01:06:58.599
<v Speaker 1>urine and eating their pepic.

1302
01:06:58.639 --> 01:06:59.320
<v Speaker 2>CARES i don't.

1303
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.679
<v Speaker 1>KNOW i don't. Know but the one thing is due

1304
01:07:02.719 --> 01:07:05.800
<v Speaker 1>to health three. Reasons asay is in a position of

1305
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:11.039
<v Speaker 1>needing daily assistants and in his. Home so, BASICALLY i

1306
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like the population is mostly likely safe because he

1307
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:16.800
<v Speaker 1>WOULD i think he has health issues that he would

1308
01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:19.440
<v Speaker 1>be needing help if he were to do these. Acts

1309
01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:23.159
<v Speaker 1>SO i feel like at this point they're. Safe that

1310
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:28.239
<v Speaker 1>documentary THING i watch also said his new, fantasy AND

1311
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:29.960
<v Speaker 1>i don't even have this in, Here i'm just gonna

1312
01:07:29.960 --> 01:07:32.599
<v Speaker 1>put it in, here is he wants to be. Killed

1313
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:38.519
<v Speaker 1>he fantasizes about being like brutally killed really where it

1314
01:07:38.599 --> 01:07:43.159
<v Speaker 1>hurts like he wants the. Pain, Wow SO i don't,

1315
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:44.880
<v Speaker 1>know this guy has some serious.

1316
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Issues. Wow that is some dark.

1317
01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Shit BUT i would suggest, HEAVY i would suggest watching.

1318
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:56.039
<v Speaker 1>This it was the documentary WAS i don't have it open.

1319
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Anymore it Was. Vice we'll put it in our show

1320
01:07:59.559 --> 01:08:03.320
<v Speaker 1>notes the link BECAUSE i did get information from. There

1321
01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:05.840
<v Speaker 1>but it's only like half an, hour and it's just

1322
01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:09.559
<v Speaker 1>like so interesting to watch this, guy but it just

1323
01:08:09.559 --> 01:08:11.639
<v Speaker 1>made me so angry most of the, time Because i'm,

1324
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:14.559
<v Speaker 1>like how is he just three and out there to

1325
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:17.199
<v Speaker 1>even be doing this interview and saying these things and

1326
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:19.239
<v Speaker 1>it's just, okay like it it will probably make it

1327
01:08:19.279 --> 01:08:21.520
<v Speaker 1>make you. Angry and he very much so portrays himself

1328
01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:24.800
<v Speaker 1>as a, victim in my, opinion and that's.

1329
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.159
<v Speaker 2>The most fucked up part of this whole, case is

1330
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:29.720
<v Speaker 2>that he is portraying himself as a victim and that

1331
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:35.680
<v Speaker 2>society is letting him be free.

1332
01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:36.399
<v Speaker 1>And, they, yeah they paid him a lot of money

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01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:37.359
<v Speaker 1>to do a lot of weird.

1334
01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Things and what was the name of his, Victim Renee.

1335
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:45.399
<v Speaker 2>HEARTFELT i just because we talked a lot about asay

1336
01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:48.439
<v Speaker 2>OR i, say, however you say his NAME i just

1337
01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:52.399
<v Speaker 2>want to bring up her, Name Renee, heartfelt because he

1338
01:08:52.479 --> 01:08:55.800
<v Speaker 2>definitely overshadows her in this, case and he. Shouldn't.

1339
01:08:56.199 --> 01:08:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah she was, beautiful and she was, young and

1340
01:08:59.119 --> 01:09:02.960
<v Speaker 1>she was, smart like she Had i'm sure an amazing

1341
01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:05.159
<v Speaker 1>life ahead of. Her and the fact that she even

1342
01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:11.119
<v Speaker 1>just like befriended someone like him because he's not a normal. Person,

1343
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:13.079
<v Speaker 1>yeah SHOWS i think a lot of.

1344
01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Character she's a good. Person, yeah she's a good.

1345
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Character she's good.

1346
01:09:17.640 --> 01:09:23.000
<v Speaker 2>And he killed, her only served a few years and

1347
01:09:23.199 --> 01:09:31.600
<v Speaker 2>is profiting off her. Death that is so. Disgusting it's. Disgusting. Wow, okay.

1348
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:33.640
<v Speaker 1>So there you have.

1349
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:36.079
<v Speaker 2>It there's not Enough scotch in the world to make

1350
01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:38.680
<v Speaker 2>me happy right, Now LIKE i need, Whiskey like you can't.

1351
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Believe, yeah this actually really affected. You AND i apologize

1352
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:44.920
<v Speaker 1>for my. Laughing it's not THAT i think any of

1353
01:09:44.960 --> 01:09:45.880
<v Speaker 1>this is, funny.

1354
01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:46.600
<v Speaker 2>But you've been laughing at.

1355
01:09:46.600 --> 01:09:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Me the distortion in your face and your, REACTIONS i

1356
01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:52.640
<v Speaker 1>just can't even. HAVE i had to stop looking at

1357
01:09:52.680 --> 01:09:53.640
<v Speaker 1>you to get through.

1358
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.520
<v Speaker 2>This we've talked about messed up, Shit LIKE i, say

1359
01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.520
<v Speaker 2>this is the most messed up because of what society is.

1360
01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:04.239
<v Speaker 1>ALLOWING i, know it's very very. Weird the whole thing

1361
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:06.520
<v Speaker 1>at the fact that he's even has this, nickname the

1362
01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Celebrity cannibal is.

1363
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Just oh, wow wow wow.

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01:10:12.159 --> 01:10:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, Okay, WELL i hope you all have a chance

1365
01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:18.840
<v Speaker 1>to listen to this and recover before OUR q AND a.

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01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Session, yes today.

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01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:23.159
<v Speaker 1>TODAY i keep saying tomorrow only because we're recording this On,

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01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:25.880
<v Speaker 1>monday but it's On, tuesday the day this is released

1369
01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:29.199
<v Speaker 1>at six PM pst.

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01:10:28.520 --> 01:10:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Some, Time february. Eighth february, eighth six Pm Pacific standard. Time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah so we'll we'll be putting some info out about.

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01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.960
<v Speaker 2>US i don't know IF i can recover in. Time you. Better.

1373
01:10:41.239 --> 01:10:43.840
<v Speaker 2>WOW i may have a glass of something in my

1374
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:46.840
<v Speaker 2>hand of undisclosed. Fluids.

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01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah and then if you want to support, us we

1376
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 1>do have that merch out and it's our one year anniversary,

1377
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:53.560
<v Speaker 1>merch which is pretty. Cool i'm pretty special to us

1378
01:10:53.640 --> 01:10:56.239
<v Speaker 1>and it would mean a lot if you also wanted

1379
01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:57.760
<v Speaker 1>to wear a piece of our. Merch.

1380
01:10:57.960 --> 01:10:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah links are down below where you can go check

1381
01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:01.760
<v Speaker 2>out that merch and check out our social media and

1382
01:11:01.800 --> 01:11:05.680
<v Speaker 2>go follow The instagram link to go see her. Live. Yeah,

1383
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:08.000
<v Speaker 2>so do you have anything else to drop Or is that?

1384
01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:09.239
<v Speaker 2>IT i think that's.

1385
01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:09.399
<v Speaker 1>It.

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01:11:09.840 --> 01:11:12.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah keep up to date on our social, media go

1387
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:14.920
<v Speaker 2>find our, merch sign up For patreon if you'd, like,

1388
01:11:16.119 --> 01:11:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and most, importantly stay wicked