1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:08,919 Speaker 1: Understand the thinking atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol, 2 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,039 an idea. 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through. 4 00:00:13,439 --> 00:00:18,519 Speaker 1: The rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,199 Speaker 3: If I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, 6 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:24,359 not because I put my hand on a book and 7 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:24,839 made a. 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,879 Speaker 1: Wish and working together for a more rational world. 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,119 Speaker 4: Take the risk of thinking. Feels so much more happiness. 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,759 Truth Usian wisdom will come to you that way. 11 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:51,280 Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews. 13 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 4: I am heading to Kentucky this weekend for the Kentucky 14 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:04,599 Freethought Convention in Erlinger, Kentucky. The tickets are really inexpensive. 15 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,560 Is just one day, but I'm going to be speaking 16 00:01:07,599 --> 00:01:12,799 there Sam McGuire of American atheist Liz Cavell from Freedom 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,920 from Religion and others, and I'm bringing some fresh material, 18 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,040 so it's going to be a good time. Kentucky Freethought 19 00:01:21,159 --> 00:01:23,719 dot Org if you want to get some tickets, and 20 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:27,599 I'd love a chance to see you in Kentucky. I 21 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:32,400 have to chuckle to myself. Natalie sent me this thing 22 00:01:32,439 --> 00:01:35,239 and she goes, I can't believe that it wasn't you 23 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:40,200 who posted this on Facebook. So I hit the link 24 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:44,799 and it was a meme and it said in every relationship, 25 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,799 there is one person who stacks the dishwasher like a 26 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,920 Scandinavian architect and one who stacks it like a raccoon 27 00:01:54,519 --> 00:01:58,519 on crystal meth. And I'm like, yeah, I would have 28 00:01:58,519 --> 00:02:01,319 posted that had I known it existed, because this is 29 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:04,719 a conversation we've been having for a long time. I mean, 30 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,519 we laugh when we talk about it, but I am 31 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:13,360 always having to reload the dishwasher. Like Natalie is so 32 00:02:13,479 --> 00:02:17,800 meticulous in her regular life, right, but there's something about 33 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,719 the dishwasher and I'll see it and the bowls are 34 00:02:20,759 --> 00:02:23,960 so close together that no water or soap can get 35 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,879 in there, and then you can't put coffee cups on 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,800 their side. You're not gonna get clean on the side, 37 00:02:31,719 --> 00:02:34,039 and the way everything's just jacked in there. And I 38 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,319 take it out and I put it back in correctly. 39 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,759 And I'm not super hyper organized, and I'm certainly not 40 00:02:41,879 --> 00:02:44,360 OCD where everything has to be in a certain spot, 41 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,759 but it just bugs me. I'm like, honey, what's going 42 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,680 on here? And she just smiles. She just thinks it's hysterical, 43 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,919 you know. And so anyway she is, she is the 44 00:02:58,039 --> 00:03:02,599 raccoon on crystal meth. And then I, the Scandinavian architect, 45 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,280 have to come by and just it's almost like she 46 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:07,599 sat at the other end of the room and she 47 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,360 took the dishes and just threw them just in there 48 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,639 at land in the dishwasher. Now, I know, if you 49 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,680 don't know someone who does this, you probably are someone 50 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:27,840 who does this. Credit. Stop it killing me. Life's too 51 00:03:27,879 --> 00:03:33,639 short to have to refill the dishwasher dishes. Life's short. 52 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:39,520 Wasting valuable time. Anyway, A total digression. Next week, I 53 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:45,719 am releasing two conversations because I had two separate conversations 54 00:03:45,759 --> 00:03:50,240 with an ex pastor. And this guy's got the inside scoop, 55 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,639 you know what I'm saying. This guy has been there, 56 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,280 he has done that, and he's got decades of experience 57 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:00,719 in the ministry. And his story is just fast. And 58 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,080 the history of that is he and I knew each 59 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,120 other when we were both about believers thirty years ago, 60 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:11,120 and so our paths crossed again, and before you know what, 61 00:04:11,199 --> 00:04:15,560 he ends up in my house. And at first I 62 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:18,439 put some cameras on him and we talked, and then 63 00:04:18,759 --> 00:04:20,680 we had lunch and I came back and he's like, 64 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,319 let's talk some more, and I was like, well, I'd 65 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:25,920 love to. So I put up the podcast microphones and 66 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:29,399 we did another hour and there was almost no overlap 67 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,519 in our conversation. And so both of those are going 68 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,759 to drop next week. Video to YouTube and the podcast too, 69 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:41,680 of course, all of my podcast platforms. I thought about 70 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,319 releasing the YouTube audio on podcast as well, but I 71 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,720 don't want to drive you crazy with so much audio 72 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,800 in a week. You tell me, you know, do you 73 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,160 want to hear the second conversation? I can always throw 74 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:57,920 that out there. I just secured an October interview with 75 00:04:58,079 --> 00:04:59,920 Phil Noble Junior. 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: Here. 77 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 4: If you don't know who Phil is, he is the 78 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:12,240 editor in chief of Fangoria magazine. Now, I grew up 79 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,240 with Fangoria, and if you don't know what it is, 80 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:19,720 just trust me. It's appropriate for the Halloween season, it's 81 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:23,399 appropriate for the month of October. And so, just on 82 00:05:23,439 --> 00:05:26,839 a lark, I had seen Phil on a documentary series 83 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:28,560 and I reached out and I'm like, look, I know 84 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:33,319 it's totally not really your lane, but I like to 85 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:38,560 do Halloween stuff, and I subscribe to Fangoria even today. 86 00:05:39,439 --> 00:05:42,000 But if you ever want to talk about horror movies, 87 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,199 and we're talking about nineteen eighties VHS horror to whatever 88 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,000 released into theaters last week. If you want to get 89 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,600 into scary stuff in the culture, I want to get 90 00:05:51,639 --> 00:05:55,000 into the Satanic panic and everything. Just let me know. 91 00:05:55,079 --> 00:05:56,920 I'd love to have you on the show. And he's like, 92 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:02,360 I'm down, let's go, let's talk. So that's coming up 93 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,040 in the month of October, along with our annual ghost 94 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:11,920 Stories podcast. I'm preparing the yard four Halloween. I am 95 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:15,959 that house on the block, you know that house where 96 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:19,519 you're like, Okay, here we go. Not for Christmas, No, 97 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,600 I can't do it for Christmas. We have decorations for 98 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,600 Christmas and it's not religious at all. It's lights and 99 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:28,519 we have these big deer and I make a pond 100 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,560 with led lights. It looks like they're drinking from the 101 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,439 pond and it's lovely. But there's no nativity or angels 102 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:38,319 or any of that stuff. I thought about doing a 103 00:06:38,439 --> 00:06:41,759 zombie Nativity. Have you seen those zomb the news? Because 104 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,079 it makes the news every time somebody does one. So 105 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,319 they put out the Nativity for Christmas. But the baby 106 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:52,639 Jesus is like undead. It's this rotted away corpse of 107 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,959 a baby. And then you've got zombie you know, zombie 108 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:58,959 Joseph and a zombie Mary, and the wise Man are 109 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,879 shambling in, and maybe even the animals are decayed in 110 00:07:04,079 --> 00:07:07,480 their flesh, and it's a zombie Nativity. Every time somebody 111 00:07:07,519 --> 00:07:11,639 does one of these, their neighborhoods always flip out and 112 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,959 they're like, this is offensive to Jesus. I don't want 113 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,199 this in my neighborhood where the children conceived, you know. 114 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:25,360 And then the news always gets involved and they bring 115 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:28,560 out their cameras and bands and they're like a local 116 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,199 resident has caused serious controversy when he put a Nativity 117 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:39,879 in his front yard, populating the Nativity with zombies. Maybe 118 00:07:39,879 --> 00:07:42,560 they do an on screen poll, you know, call this 119 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:45,079 number and tell us what you think. Is it free 120 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,759 speech or an offense to God. I've thought about it. 121 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,000 Natalie would never let me do it. It's just the 122 00:07:53,079 --> 00:07:58,279 grief alone. She's like, no, no, But I am preparing 123 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:01,040 for Halloween and we're going to do the Wizard of 124 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:04,920 Oz again at my house. We did it two years ago. 125 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,000 Built a spinning ten foot tornado just out of tubes. 126 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,680 We just twirled a bunch of tubes and spray painted 127 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:14,000 it with metal glitter, and I put a little motor 128 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,959 at the bottom so it spins, and then there's a 129 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,199 fog machine which causes the debris at the bottom. It 130 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:24,199 looks like debris coming up. I've had that tornado in 131 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:28,360 my backyard for two years, like I couldn't throw it out. 132 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,720 I've put too much time into it and it's too awesome. 133 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,120 What am I going to do with it? I'm like 134 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,320 those people, actually, I am those people who start to 135 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:40,519 store Halloween decorations in the attic and it stacks up 136 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,000 over time. There's a section of my attic where I 137 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:51,960 have stashed one, two, three, four, six six skeletons, plastic skeletons. 138 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:57,720 If somebody was to ever buy this house and they 139 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,000 were to go up and take a look around the corner, 140 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,320 it would look like that was where I hid the bodies. 141 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,919 I have heard about people who put in a new kitchen, 142 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,440 or they replace the walls the sheet rock in a 143 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,559 room in their home, and just for kicks, they will 144 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:19,720 hide a skeleton inside and then they will plaster over it. 145 00:09:19,919 --> 00:09:23,039 Or put lumber, sheet rock, whatever over it, knowing that 146 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,799 at some point there will be a renovation. In fifteen 147 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:31,720 twenty years, someone is point to discover someone's going to 148 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:35,399 be like, oh wait, there's a skeleton in the walls. 149 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,879 That is my bag. I saw one where they were 150 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:46,039 putting carpet over an old wood floor, but before they 151 00:09:46,159 --> 00:09:51,240 laid the carpet pad and the carpet itself, they painted 152 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:55,120 a pentagram. I mean they weren't Satanists. They just thought 153 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,519 it was awesome and they took red paint and they 154 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,399 painted a pentagram on the wood floor and then they 155 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,559 laid carpet over it before they sold, expecting that at 156 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,559 some point somebody was going to replace the carpet and 157 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:11,360 feel like they had been living in the home or 158 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:15,320 the guest home of Satan. That's my jam. I mean, 159 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,399 that is my kind of humor. And you know there 160 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,080 are people who would have then said, well, you know, 161 00:10:21,159 --> 00:10:24,879 the reason little Kimmy got sick was because there was 162 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:28,360 a bit of gram in the floor. You know, the 163 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,159 reason I lost my job eight years ago and had 164 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,039 to get a new one, The reason the lawnmower wouldn't 165 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,519 start every summer, the reason that our water tastes kind 166 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:43,879 of funny in this house is because it's the devil. 167 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,080 You know, those people exist, you know it Anyway, I 168 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,519 always post a pictures and video on my Facebook page. 169 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,600 So we're going to do a Wizard of Oz again. 170 00:10:53,639 --> 00:10:56,440 I'm resurrecting the Twister. We're going to have the Witch. 171 00:10:56,519 --> 00:10:58,879 Dorothy's going to be in a little house with Toto. 172 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:01,399 I'm making a yellow brick road that's going to have 173 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,600 little neon borders so it kind of glows. One of 174 00:11:04,639 --> 00:11:07,600 our neighbors said that she'd like to maybe tie in 175 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:12,480 to our theme. She's talking about maybe doing the Emerald City. 176 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:15,000 And if that's the case, then I'm going to take 177 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,120 a can of spray chalk and I'm going to make 178 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,080 that yellow brick road leave our house and then kind 179 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,360 of zigzag to the other three houses and at hers 180 00:11:25,399 --> 00:11:27,679 at the Emerald City, so the kids can all walk 181 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,600 the yellow brick road and any pictures. If it all 182 00:11:31,639 --> 00:11:33,320 comes together, and I think it will, it's going to 183 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,080 be a lot of fun. I'm kind of ready. I'm 184 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,360 done with summer. I'm sick of one hundred and five 185 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,960 degrees and five thousand percent humidity. I'm tired of sweating. 186 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,919 I'm tired of it being so freaking hot that I 187 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,240 can't walk the dogs because the sidewalks and the asphalt 188 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:54,480 are frying pans. They just burn their paws. So I 189 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,960 got to take linus. We have a routine. You want 190 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,519 to go, autsigne you want to go? A sign you 191 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,480 want to go? You ready, you gotta go. Instead of 192 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,240 us walking out, I have to pick him up and 193 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,000 I walk him down to this field and I sit 194 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,799 him on the grass. The problem is is after he goes, 195 00:12:07,879 --> 00:12:10,600 he wants to go walk on the asphalt. You can't 196 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,159 do that, buddy, You're gonna get burned. No, no, no, 197 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:15,919 no no. So now I'm reeling him back in on 198 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,080 the leash like I'm pulling in a fish. No, don't go. No, no, 199 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,000 bad dog. Actually I never say bad dog. I just 200 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,559 say don't do that. And then you know, I pick 201 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,120 him up, walk him to the next section, sit him down, 202 00:12:28,159 --> 00:12:29,960 and then I talk to him like I'm an idiot. 203 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,639 Come on, hurry up, come on. I know you got it. 204 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,440 I know you're not done. You haven't pooped in three days. 205 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,399 You know you're just going to explode. And I don't 206 00:12:39,399 --> 00:12:46,799 want it to happen in the master bedroom. Actually he's 207 00:12:46,799 --> 00:12:49,879 never gone three days. It's just funnier that way. A 208 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:55,320 little peek into my pathetic world. Coming up next, We're 209 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,759 going to take a peek into your world as we 210 00:12:58,879 --> 00:13:06,480 go to the switchboard and hang on. My patrons get 211 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:09,120 the show early and commercial free. Thank you so much 212 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:17,039 for your support. Patreon dot com, slash Seth Andrews. I've 213 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,600 got Ellen at seven three two. Can you hear me? 214 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 5: I can, Beth? 215 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:24,039 Speaker 3: How are you Ellen? 216 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 4: Where you calling from? 217 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:28,799 Speaker 6: Coming from the Jersey Shore, I'm here in New Jersey, 218 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:32,320 you know, this lovely blue state where we still have 219 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:36,480 our abortion rights here and our reproductive rights from poti plane. 220 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:41,480 But I am really nervous about this election coming up. 221 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,960 I actually have a chronic illness. Unfortunately, I have something 222 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:48,519 called endometrios. 223 00:13:49,879 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 3: Last year I had major surgery for it. It's essentially 224 00:13:55,519 --> 00:14:00,399 the lining of your uterus, attack inside the body, attach 225 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,159 itself to your work in which is not fun at all. 226 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,799 Chronic you can't do anything about it, and the way 227 00:14:08,799 --> 00:14:11,440 you treat it is you have to take birth patrol. 228 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:18,279 There is no getting around that. You have to take it. Unfortunately, 229 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,480 also with this disease, even if it's you know, I 230 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:24,480 don't have it at the moment. They grow back, and 231 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:28,919 it does even with the removed. Unfortunately, it can lead 232 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:31,360 to a lot of complications if you try and get pregnant. 233 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,200 I know I have a higher chance of miscarriage and 234 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:39,759 a higher chance of a topic pregnancy, high risk pregnancy. 235 00:14:40,639 --> 00:14:45,720 And I think with this election will determine if I 236 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:50,360 want to in a year or two try and have 237 00:14:50,399 --> 00:14:55,480 a kid. I am afraid. I'm terrified. Everything is just 238 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:59,000 still so close, and what are our chances of winning. 239 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,600 It's like I just wanted her feefast. 240 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:05,799 Speaker 4: I'm not superstitious, but I talked to Natalie and we 241 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:09,440 both say we don't want to jinx it because what 242 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:16,720 we're seeing is enthusiasm and positivity and intelligence and kindness 243 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:19,799 and strength. And I mean, is it perfect. 244 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:19,919 Speaker 7: No. 245 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 4: The people that were talking about Palestine and some of 246 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,360 the other issues, they have a good point. But I'll 247 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,320 tell you right now, for us, it's not even close. 248 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:33,240 And we are abulliant that there is an adult in 249 00:15:33,279 --> 00:15:38,240 the room. I think Kamala Harris in a debate will 250 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:42,440 just mop the floor with Donald Trump. I think the 251 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:47,639 enthusiasm that she and Tim Waltz have generated in this country. 252 00:15:47,679 --> 00:15:52,200 We're seeing a surge in voter registrations. I just posted 253 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:56,679 a news Nation poll that said that the eighteen to 254 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:01,080 twenty nine crowd is like three to one Kamala. Honestly, 255 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,960 I'm surprised it's not higher. And they are more and 256 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:10,039 more registering to participate. They're getting ready for November. I 257 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,519 have this. I don't want to jinx it. I don't 258 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:16,120 want to jinx it Ellen, but I'm saying I want 259 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:19,080 to see I want it to be overwhelming. I don't 260 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:23,039 want it to be, oh, it's fifty three to forty seven, right. 261 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,559 I want it to be a mandate, something that no 262 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,480 one can deny, even though he's going to deny it. 263 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:32,600 I want a statement made about the values we hold, 264 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:35,360 the protection of the very rights you've been talking about. 265 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,600 So I'm like you, I'm encouraged, but I think we 266 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,600 got to keep our eyes on the target, not give up. 267 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:45,600 These people are slimy, they're capable of anything. We got 268 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:49,639 to just keep on. But have you seen the ad. 269 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,799 It's not an ad, is it? It's a video or 270 00:16:52,799 --> 00:16:57,279 a short video from the Lincoln Project regarding reproductive rights. 271 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,879 The father's driving his daughter and the pulls them over. 272 00:17:01,159 --> 00:17:02,200 Have you seen that yet? 273 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,279 Speaker 8: I just saw a. 274 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 3: I know some people going to Twitter, but I saw 275 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,000 it on Twitter. Now now they poll it X right. 276 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,480 I didn't watch the whole thing. 277 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:15,599 Speaker 4: No, it's Twitter. It will always be Twitter. I don't 278 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,920 care what it's Twitter. It's Twitter, all right, keep going, 279 00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:22,039 keep going. I'm sorry. So you saw a snippet of 280 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:23,119 it on Twitter. 281 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:24,319 Speaker 3: I did. 282 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 4: It's chilling and it speaks to exactly what you've been 283 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:32,640 talking about here. So my short answer is I'm on 284 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,920 your page. I think we keep kicking. We try to 285 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,359 maintain some hope, and my hope is that maybe sanity 286 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,200 will prevail. 287 00:17:42,759 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 3: I'm really crossing our fingers here. 288 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,039 Speaker 4: We'll just keep working and kicking and the hopes that 289 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,680 staying her heads will prevail. 290 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 3: Okay, my friend, absolutely, Lisa, Thank you so much for 291 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:54,599 all your hard work. 292 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 4: Oh it's an honor. Thanks so much for calling. We'll 293 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:57,400 see you soon. 294 00:17:58,599 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 3: Have a good day. 295 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 4: The Lincoln Project, I don't know much about them, except 296 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:10,000 I do follow the content that they produce online. They 297 00:18:10,039 --> 00:18:15,720 are conservative Republicans who reject Donald Trump and Maga cult 298 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,839 and they say this is not the Party of Lincoln. 299 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,400 This is not the Republican party that we signed up for. 300 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,839 And we can have a conversation about what that even 301 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:29,480 looks like, but the headline is they are very much 302 00:18:29,559 --> 00:18:35,319 advocates for a pluralistic democracy. They are against Christian nationalism, 303 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,200 They're against a culture of cruelty. They are pro LGBT rights, 304 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,640 their pro female reproductive choice, and they post a lot 305 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:49,440 of very polished contents on the Internet. And they just 306 00:18:49,759 --> 00:18:55,480 released a short form video scenario where a cop pulls 307 00:18:55,559 --> 00:18:59,200 over a car. Inside the father is driving, his daughter 308 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,279 is in the past seat. Now, a lot of this 309 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,799 is sort of reinforced visually as you see their expressions. 310 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:10,039 But let me play you the audio and see if 311 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:12,920 it gives you the chills and the way it gave 312 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:19,119 me the chills. 313 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:22,599 Speaker 2: Driver's license registration. There you go, sir. 314 00:19:23,559 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 7: How's your day going? 315 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 2: That's your daughter? Sure is Abigail right? 316 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 4: How do you know? 317 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,039 Speaker 9: Where are you about eight weeks pregnant? So you've been 318 00:19:37,079 --> 00:19:42,480 spotting recently? You've had any cramps or nausea? 319 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: That's personal? You've been taking your prenatal vitamins. Excuse me? 320 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:48,799 Speaker 7: Are you ticketing me for something? 321 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: Where are you ahead? And Abigail to go see my 322 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,599 older sister Natalie. Well, that's strange. 323 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,599 Speaker 9: This says here, and Natalie is at a concert in Dallas, 324 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,839 and your navigation this out to a woman's health clinic 325 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:04,720 in one of those abortion states. 326 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 4: We have the right to travel, not anymore. 327 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,759 Speaker 2: Step out of the car, police officers. 328 00:20:12,759 --> 00:20:22,279 Speaker 10: Both of you out now, use are under arrest for 329 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,480 crossing state. 330 00:20:23,319 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 9: Lines to obtain an abortion for a minor under your care. 331 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,519 And you, young lady, well, you're under arrest for evading motherhood. 332 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,079 Speaker 4: I'll put the link to that in the description box 333 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,319 in case you want to watch the video of it. 334 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,559 But I mean, I don't think it's hyperbole to say 335 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:58,759 hashtag Handmaid's Tale. A totalitarian regime where people are controlled 336 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,119 by the zealots, you know, the theocrat, the people who 337 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,440 acquire obscene amounts of power and use that power to 338 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:12,240 control the lives of supposedly free people. I think that's 339 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,759 a legitimate that's a legitimate concern, and we're facing a 340 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,920 choice on that coming up in a few months. And 341 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,519 my listeners right now, who are going to line up 342 00:21:21,519 --> 00:21:24,039 in the comments and complain about the fact that Seth 343 00:21:24,079 --> 00:21:27,839 Andrews always goes after Trump and mag and gets political. 344 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,559 Shut up. I'm so sick and tired of people saying, well, 345 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:39,400 I wish you wouldn't get political. Everything's political, the choices 346 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,799 we have, the choices we are allowed to make that 347 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,039 we are free to make, bodily autonomy, the health and 348 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,640 wealth and safety of our fellow human beings, our jobs, 349 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:56,440 our paychecks, regulation, the economy, the environment, climate, whether or 350 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,319 not we are able to freely go in and go 351 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,480 out to mayor or partner or be with or love 352 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:05,680 or do have whatever, children and raise our children in 353 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,400 whatever way if we decide to have children, and all 354 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,680 of our life choices, everything's political. Everything is political. If 355 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,799 you are so privileged that you can just sort of 356 00:22:16,839 --> 00:22:23,319 say I don't get political, shut up, Just shut up. 357 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,440 I know I'm supposed to be the mister rogers of 358 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,960 the movement. I'm supposed to be super kind about this. 359 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,519 That just shut up. God, just leave such a bad 360 00:22:32,599 --> 00:22:37,039 taste in my mouth. Take that shit elsewhere. I'm just 361 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:43,240 done with it. Nine to three one, Jeremy, are you there? 362 00:22:44,039 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 8: I am here, Seth. How are you? 363 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:46,039 Speaker 2: I am? 364 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 4: Well? What's going on? What do you want to talk about? 365 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 8: Oh? 366 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 7: No, I just let's say thanks. 367 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 8: First off, since I realizing I'm an atheist back in 368 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,240 twenty twenty one, your voice in your program have been 369 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:56,799 a source of constant happiness. 370 00:22:56,839 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 2: So thank you, Thank you. 371 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:03,319 Speaker 8: I have such a stupid follow up question or subject 372 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,920 to talk about after that woman serious thing, But I 373 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,200 have issues listening to songs from the past that I 374 00:23:12,319 --> 00:23:14,519 now know as an atheist that are Christian. Like I 375 00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:17,759 went and saw a band a couple weeks ago and 376 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:20,640 they played one of my favorite songs and he said, oh, 377 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,960 this song was about me having an argument with God 378 00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:25,440 and how we resolved it, and how it used to 379 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,319 be one of my favorite songs. Now I can't stand it. 380 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,480 Does that make me weird? 381 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 4: Or that does it make you weird? It's funny. I 382 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,119 grew up loving Christian music and people will ask me, well, 383 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,200 do you ever listen to it now? And my answer 384 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:40,759 is always nah, I kin don't seek it out. There 385 00:23:40,759 --> 00:23:43,960 are a few songs that I might hear that take 386 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,319 me to a certain memory, a certain fondness for a 387 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,680 time in my life, a chapter. But when I know 388 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:54,799 that it's selling lies as truth, and that much of 389 00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:58,799 it is part of the marketing machine, right, it's Christian retail, 390 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,759 It's what's become a multi, multi, multi million dollar industry. 391 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,200 I have a difficult time enjoying it. 392 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: So yeah. 393 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,279 Speaker 4: We were watching a documentary the other day about singer songwriters, 394 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:13,920 the people behind the scenes who write music for the 395 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,640 biggest stars in the world, but nobody knows the songwriters' names. 396 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,200 And they were talking to the guy who wrote Jesus 397 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,119 Take the Wheel. So I went from, oh, man, look 398 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,400 at this amazing talent. Oh, how wonderful these people are. 399 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,319 Look at how oh wow, beautiful voice. They deserve to 400 00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:33,640 be a star. I was just all in. And the 401 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,480 second he starts singing Jesus Take the Wheel, I'm like, shit, 402 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,119 that's the dumbest song I've heard. 403 00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 404 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,559 Speaker 4: I'll ask you, Jeremy, it was I being pedantic? Or 405 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,759 can you relate to that? 406 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,759 Speaker 8: I can relate to that too, Yes I can. 407 00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 4: I don't think it's dumb. I know music is a preference. 408 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,359 Listen to what you want, and if it rubs you 409 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,200 the wrong way, it may there may be a reason 410 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,039 it rubs you the wrong way. So I wouldn't I 411 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:01,319 wouldn't sweat that too much. 412 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,599 Speaker 8: I believe a good song is a good song no 413 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,359 matter what so, but I agree, thank you. 414 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 4: There are some Christmas songs all right. I love Oh 415 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:11,400 Holy Night. I love the melody. I love sort of 416 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,079 the haunting production of it when it's done a certain way, 417 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,960 the piano work. Whenever it's produced with piano, it just 418 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,599 gives me the chills. But I don't believe that Jesus 419 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,519 was born in a manger, so I can compartmentalize that. 420 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,519 But you know, it's song by song, situation by situation. 421 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,240 I don't think there's a wrong answer. Don't beat yourself up. 422 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,519 Just listen to what you love. 423 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:36,079 Speaker 2: Okay, I appreciate it. 424 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 8: Thank you for your time. 425 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: Yes, the you elater Kimmy at five one two? What's 426 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,039 going on, Kimmy? What do you want to talk about? 427 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 2: Hey? 428 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 11: So I'll try to give the reader's digest version because 429 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,599 it's a lot. But the breakdown is that I am 430 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,319 younger for a person to get this type of illness 431 00:25:57,319 --> 00:25:59,319 that I have. I have a type of cancer called 432 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,200 multiple miles and it never goes away. It's just something 433 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,400 that I take medicine for now. But I had to 434 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,960 go through the hospital of the chemo and I actually 435 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,720 read Christianity made me talk like an idiot. When I 436 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:15,079 was recovering, and it really got me, like it brought 437 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,519 me into a happy place just out of like, you know, 438 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,400 a lot of people bring prayers and they focus on 439 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,200 religion and times like that. And I'm part of a 440 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,119 Facebook group that is a community of people who have 441 00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:31,319 this disorder, discancer, and a lot of them are older, 442 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,000 and a lot of them, oh my gosh, Like every 443 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,039 other day there's religious posts, and I don't know, like 444 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,000 I can be respectful. I was raised in a very 445 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,400 religious family, so I can be respectful to religious people, 446 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,759 but it's difficult to be that voice of reason and say, 447 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,799 you know, hey, you're giving all this glory to God, 448 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,839 which is you know you're saying to you. But at 449 00:26:54,839 --> 00:26:58,920 the same time, all about all this fantastic like scientific 450 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,440 background work that has literally extended our lives from five 451 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:08,240 year prognosis to like a twenty five thirty year prognosis. 452 00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,079 Speaker 4: You know, So when you read the part of the 453 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,960 book where we talked about people thanking God that the 454 00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:16,559 chemo was working, that must have. 455 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 2: Really hit absolutely. 456 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:24,279 Speaker 11: Even though whatever spirituality religion you have behind everything when 457 00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:27,440 you're going through it. I sat with nurses, I sat 458 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:29,960 with doctors, people held my hand by I was sick 459 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,119 that were in the medical field, and those people are heroes. 460 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,720 Those people are like you've written your book, you know. 461 00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:38,720 Those are the people who are there day to day. 462 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,240 They're doing the hard work, they're heavy lifting. 463 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 8: You know. 464 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,519 Speaker 11: It's like the old adage that I used to hear 465 00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,680 all the time. Trust in God, but lock your car. 466 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,039 You know, yeah, sure, if you have faith, great, that's a. 467 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 4: T shirt hang on, trust in God, but lock your 468 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,440 cars Like that's actually that sounds like a country song 469 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,440 like Jesus take the wheel coming up next. Trust in God, 470 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,480 but lock you your car? By So and so? What 471 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:05,599 is multiple my loma? And share only as much as 472 00:28:05,599 --> 00:28:09,160 you want. Can you describe what we're talking about? I've 473 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:10,799 been I don't know that I've ever heard of it. 474 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,599 Speaker 11: Oh sure. So it's a cancer that affects the cells 475 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,799 in your bone marrow that make your immune system. So 476 00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:23,359 I had to go through a stem cell transplant where 477 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:29,000 they took my marrow, love my blood, they cleaned it, 478 00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:32,920 and then after they took that initial blood draw, a 479 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,400 couple of weeks later, they brought me back in and 480 00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:39,640 gave me six months of chemo. In thirty minutes, killed 481 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,400 my entire bone marrow system. I killed my immune system, 482 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,920 and then they in the height of COVID, I'm in 483 00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:50,079 the hospital in a room that's like five hundred square feet. 484 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,960 Only my mom and my aunt could come visit me 485 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,599 and I you know, they had to like go through 486 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,640 washing their hands and all this stuff. Everybody had to 487 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,799 be very very careful around me because essentially they had 488 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:07,559 to reboot my immune system. But the cancer attacks your 489 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,920 immune system. So there's a lot of political stuff that 490 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,880 went on too, where I had to wear a mask 491 00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:16,680 in public. I still wear a mask a lot of 492 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,559 times in public because I can get sick really easily. 493 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:22,240 And when I get sick, like if I get a cold, 494 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,480 it gets me down for like two weeks because my 495 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,839 immune system is so weak. I have the immune system. 496 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 7: Like a toddler. 497 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:33,119 Speaker 11: So it's crazy, but that's multiple malemma. It attacks your 498 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,079 immune system and it stays with you. Like it's kind 499 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:38,079 of one of those things where I'm in remission now. 500 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:41,359 I just found on immutenance medication, but it's going to 501 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,680 come back, and it's just a matter of like that's 502 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,720 the fantastic thing about the science. You know, I might 503 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:50,079 not have to go through chemo next time, I might 504 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,839 just have to be able to take a different medicine regimen, 505 00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,119 or you know, maybe go get a few shops or 506 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,359 a few inductions at the center. You know, that's where 507 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,440 the all this new medicine comes in. It's great, but 508 00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:06,200 most of the people who get it are in their 509 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,599 sixties and seventies. In fact, the most, like the demographic 510 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,119 tickets to the most are elderly black men, and I 511 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,039 am none. 512 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 7: Of those things. 513 00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,359 Speaker 11: So it's a very different community. 514 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 4: And when you say that people are bringing their prayers 515 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,319 and Jesus loves you, is it just them trying to 516 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:32,400 express that they care or do you feel like there's 517 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,640 some agency behind it? Are they preaching to you? Well, 518 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920 I don't know. I mean, are you gauging intent? Can 519 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,039 you give me the situation? Yeah? 520 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 11: On Facebook it does feel quite preachy. And the leader 521 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,599 of the Facebook group, he has gotten in a couple 522 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,319 of times to say, you know, I'm the person of 523 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:55,480 faith and that's him. That's cool, but he says, this 524 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,920 is a little over the edge. Guys like telling it 525 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,680 down a little. You know, it's so many people just 526 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:05,200 giving it's almost like they don't believe. They literally do 527 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,519 not believe they would have gotten through it without God. 528 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,839 And there are people within the group from all over 529 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,640 the world. They might not necessarily even be Christian, you know, 530 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,559 they might not be ideous either, but they might be into, 531 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,720 they might be Muslim, you know, and that's a whole 532 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,400 different vibe. And you know, to some people, a very 533 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,240 different God, and like that infighting sometimes I kind of 534 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,559 get that vibe on the group, Like most of the 535 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,200 posts are positive, but a lot of them are like 536 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,759 almost defending their beliefs that like, well, I couldn't have 537 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:39,759 gotten through without this, so none of you could have 538 00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:40,839 gotten through without it. 539 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,839 Speaker 4: What I worry about is that they're weaponizing your tragedy 540 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:48,559 to become their soapbox. Right They're standing on your situation 541 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,640 to be able to chest thump about whatever apologetic or 542 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,160 belief or superstition they've embraced. And right now, I mean, 543 00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,920 if Natalie was just picture me, Natalie, Linus and Kat 544 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,920 we are all coming through the internet line and we 545 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,960 are all hugging you right now. We're just wrapping our 546 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,480 arms and paws around you at this moment. Are you 547 00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:13,680 doing okay today? Is there anything you need from us 548 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,319 as a community? How can we help you anything. 549 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:21,359 Speaker 11: Oh, I mean just this conversation helped a lot, just 550 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,359 to kind of vent a little bit about that. 551 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:24,319 Speaker 5: You know. 552 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 11: It's thankfully I haven't felt so much like they've used 553 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:32,519 my tragedy as a bullhorn as much as they're performing 554 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,880 the It's almost like with that tradition, if you suffer 555 00:32:37,359 --> 00:32:40,200 and you make it through, you have to tell everybody 556 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,200 that that's why you made it through. Like the evangelizing 557 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,400 part of it, I guess. And I'm definitely not an 558 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,319 evangelist and I'm definitely not like a I try to 559 00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:51,480 be a little bit of a science evangelist. Like if 560 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,039 I see people, there's so many people who are like, oh, yeah, 561 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,759 you don't have to do this procedure, you don't have 562 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:58,440 to listen to your doctor, and I'm just like, oh 563 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,839 my gosh, Like the these are professionals, Like I'm going 564 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,000 to listen to my doctor rather than somebody's uncle on Facebook. 565 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,519 Like that's just how life has to be. 566 00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:14,759 Speaker 4: So when you're sharing your story, they're saying, oh, I 567 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:20,359 remember when I went through something and Jesus helped me through. 568 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 11: Yeah, And it's not only that, it's that Jesus is 569 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,160 the whole new reason I'm alive today and you need 570 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,440 to get right or else you know that's been a 571 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:34,079 change for you. 572 00:33:34,599 --> 00:33:38,119 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, Now we've got a boundary violation, Kimmy. 573 00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:42,240 Now we got somebody who's stepping way into personal territory. 574 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:44,720 And that's when I get pissed. And I think it's 575 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:46,839 just fine if you get pissed as well. I mean, 576 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:50,359 because now it's well, if you don't recover, or if 577 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:52,440 you have a bad day, or if you end up 578 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,559 in chemo again, or or if the worst happens, it's 579 00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:59,839 because you were not in league with the father, or 580 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:04,400 you didn't have his covering, his blessing whatever, that's that's 581 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,119 not appropriate. I think that's really kind of offensive. And 582 00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,760 I think you have every right to push back against that, 583 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,440 to shut that down, to walk away from it, to 584 00:34:14,599 --> 00:34:17,079 block it. You don't have to watch, you don't have 585 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,760 to listen to that, because that's not Hey, we care 586 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,159 about you. It's oh, turn or burn. Really it's a 587 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,239 variation of that. And so I mean, if I was 588 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,639 standing over your shoulder when that stuff came onto your 589 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,800 computer monitor, I'd be the person going, hey, you don't 590 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,400 have to put up with that, Like I would totally 591 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,199 be your cheerleader. On that score. I'd be like, don't 592 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,039 you If you mess with Kimmy, you mess with all 593 00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,760 of us. Man, it's on. We would have your back. 594 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,599 I promise you. 595 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:47,039 Speaker 11: That, Thank you, thank you. 596 00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,920 Speaker 4: We are on your page. We're on your side, and 597 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,559 you know, I think we have high hopes that science 598 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,760 and human connections, human support will provide everything that you 599 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,599 need moving forward. And it's my hope that you have 600 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:05,119 a good, long and a full and fulfilled life ahead 601 00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,039 of you despite these challenges. Thanks for sharing your story 602 00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:10,079 with me, and thanks for encouraging me how we ought 603 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,840 to be encouraging you, Kimmy, for Pete's sake, and yet 604 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,639 you're you're throwing the goodness our direction. But you're greatly appreciated. 605 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,199 So big hugs from me and my family and all 606 00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:20,920 of us to you. 607 00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:24,159 Speaker 11: Okay, thank you, and you know, thanks for your kind 608 00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:26,960 words and just it's one of those examples of you 609 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,800 never know what stuff you do that's gonna ripple down 610 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,039 the line, you know, Like your book brought us miles 611 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,320 to my face in a very difficult time, and I 612 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,320 appreciate that, and like I was able to meet other 613 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,480 people that I was sitting in the chairs within Kimo 614 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:46,239 smile with you know. I was in New York, so 615 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,599 you know, there was a guy wearing a Yankee fat 616 00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:51,960 and he was an elderly in with by himself and 617 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,320 he had lost his wife, and it was just like, 618 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,039 you know, you reach out with that connection and you 619 00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,239 never know what little thing can help make someone's day. 620 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:01,960 I'm glad that I got to share that with you, 621 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,039 and glad to have let you know that you got 622 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:06,000 to make my diat that way. 623 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 4: Jimmy, don't you make me cry. Don't do it. Don't 624 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,159 do that. All right, my friend, Well let's talk again. 625 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,760 You keep us sort of in the loop on your 626 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,400 journey in the months and years ahead. 627 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 11: Okay, thank you for let's staff, you take care all right. 628 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,679 Speaker 4: Thanks a bunch you. We'll see you. Bye bye. Holy cow. 629 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,519 I don't even know what to do with that except 630 00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:32,960 say thank you. I've got Josh three one seven. Are 631 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,960 you there? Yes, I am, Thanks for calling. What do 632 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,760 you want to talk about? 633 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 5: The main thing I called about was with Kamala Harris 634 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,119 saying putting Tim Waltzess or Vice President pick. I don't 635 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:50,400 know if you've heard, but Republicans at least someone in 636 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,880 my family have been going crazy about him, saying that 637 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:57,320 he's a predator because back when he was a coach 638 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,000 at the school he was coaching for, he headed up 639 00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,239 a club for a bunch of gate adolescents back in 640 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,239 nineteen ninety nine, and at the time it was pretty 641 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,000 dangerous for anybody to come out like that because you know, 642 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,199 it was a different time. The Internet wasn't as vast 643 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,280 information were flowing away this today. And so they're all 644 00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:21,800 calling him a predator for some reasons. And I've looked 645 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,360 up all this and haven't found any evidence to it. 646 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,400 And so my thought is just because he's defended gay 647 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,119 people before, now they're calling him a predator for no 648 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,119 reason but that. 649 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 4: They got nothing. So anybody who is not essentially a 650 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,599 white hetero evangelical is a predator, probably a sexual predator. 651 00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:44,559 In the eyes of these people. They have no bottom, 652 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,400 there's no conscience. They are as many of them are 653 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,159 just absolute sociopaths. I swear the entire pretty much the 654 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,119 entire Fox News lineup is just freaking killing me. These 655 00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:58,920 people are libeling and slandering good people on the left 656 00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:03,639 or elsewhere, and essentially trying to align them with everybody 657 00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:07,480 from Jeffrey Dahmer to Adolf Hitler to a child molester. 658 00:38:07,639 --> 00:38:11,800 Speaker 5: It's terrifying, and they dehumanize people to such a crazy level, 659 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,039 and then they act like they have integrity and stand 660 00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:18,239 firm on human values that they wrap in their Bible. 661 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,280 It's a while back I called you I explained some 662 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,360 of the abuse I had with my parents. I don't 663 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,480 know if you remember that call or not. 664 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 4: Earlier the shooters, I recall my father. 665 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:34,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my father. He's been supporting a lot 666 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,360 of insanity. And this is a man who is so 667 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:42,280 mentally delusional that he'll literally post he's a predator and 668 00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:45,079 he knows it's a bunch of nonsense. And at this point, 669 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,519 I'm pretty certain that as a kid growing up, he 670 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,400 always said that he leaned on the Bible. And really, 671 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,079 what I think at this point what that means is 672 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,719 is what they're doing is they're leaning on the Bible 673 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,039 for their how they balance themselves in reality. But they 674 00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:01,800 have no intego to be outside of that. If reality 675 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,360 violates are dogma, they'd rather follow dogma than follow reality. 676 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,920 I'm just like, but the contradiction is so obvious, and 677 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,880 yet they don't want to admit reality. Is it simply narcissism, 678 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,840 that's their problem. 679 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,360 Speaker 4: I think motivations vary from person to person. I do 680 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,840 think there's an entire culture that just sees a monster 681 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,079 under every rock for a number of reasons, anybody who 682 00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:29,519 was not them is the other. And then they do 683 00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:33,400 that riff on their coming for our children. How many 684 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,159 generations have had to hear that shit? It doesn't matter 685 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:42,360 what it is, you know, is it recreational marijuana, is 686 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:43,000 it rock? 687 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:43,559 Speaker 6: You know? 688 00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:47,079 Speaker 4: Is it a kiss album? Is it a drag queen? 689 00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,280 Is it what? I mean? Just choose whatever villain they 690 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,639 decide that they're freaked about, and then just add we've 691 00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,960 got to protect the children to the end of whatever 692 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,480 they're bitching about. And I it makes me weary. But 693 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,800 the upside is I see a lot of this panic 694 00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:10,559 as evidence that they may realize they're on the wrong 695 00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:13,320 side of history, or at least on the minority side 696 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,639 of history, and they are becoming more and more irrelevant 697 00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:21,000 against the larger, more egalitarian culture. Right they see the 698 00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:24,519 writing on the wall where people are less judgmental, and 699 00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,960 they don't want to discriminate against gay people, and they 700 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,480 want to protect trans people, and they think it's awesome 701 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,800 that Tim Waltz has the backs of people of all 702 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,360 ages for whatever identity, sexual or other that they have, 703 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,639 and they're great with that. I think maybe their panic 704 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,440 is an indicator that something right is happening on the 705 00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,159 right side of the discussion. I don't know, would you 706 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,760 agree disagree? Am I just being is that pie in 707 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,440 the sky? Am I getting myself? 708 00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:54,119 Speaker 2: Josh? 709 00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 5: No, No, I agree with you. But it's like something 710 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,679 you said at the beginning that really hit up a 711 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,480 court of me because we both grew from the time. 712 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,639 I grew up in the late nineties, but you went 713 00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:06,280 through the eighties too, So the satanic panic is really 714 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,880 what this reminds me of, you know, like how every 715 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:13,480 little thing was like hyper religified. If it's Pokemon, it's 716 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,519 of the Devil. If it's dungeons and dragons, you know, 717 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,159 of the Devil. That's some gnarly stuff. And it's funny 718 00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,760 how all the people in Trump's cabinet when he was 719 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,679 in office were all members all their parents were actually 720 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,199 members of the Maral majority. So it's kind of like 721 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,679 we're repeating the Maral majority, just in a different time period. 722 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,960 Where there's more information, so they can't hide behind the 723 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000 bullshit as well as they used to. You know, back 724 00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:37,880 then the. 725 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 4: Moral Majority for those who aren't aware, was a political 726 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:46,440 action group headed up by a big evangelist founder of 727 00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:51,400 Liberty University, Jerry Folwell Senior, and these people essentially un around. 728 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 5: Go ahead, No, no, I'm sorry, I don't. I don't 729 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,360 mean to be rude, but I thought I would mention 730 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,480 one of the kitchens where he called him a slimy 731 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:01,840 little toad but you're good. 732 00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:04,599 Speaker 4: Oh it was Hitchin's I think who said Jerry Folwell 733 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,960 Senior was so full of shit that if you were 734 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,559 to give him an enema, you could bury him in 735 00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:13,599 a matchbox. Yeah, that was Jerry Folwell. 736 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 5: He did that on Fox News and on CNN, and 737 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,119 one of the hostess of Fox News said, how darry 738 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,519 you say that? So he goes, well, then you shouldn't 739 00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,039 have me on your show if you didn't want me 740 00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:23,920 to have integrity. 741 00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 4: I think that was in the wake of Jerry Folwell's death, 742 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,039 and they were doing a riff on why would you 743 00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:33,199 speak ill of the dead, especially when he's done so 744 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,639 much good. But you know, Jerry Folwell was one of 745 00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,880 the guys he and Pat Robertson blamed nine to eleven 746 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,119 on the fact that we were accepting gay people. Those 747 00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,800 are the types. And I remember, the other ring is 748 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,559 killing us, the other ring, the vilification, the Satanic panic 749 00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:53,800 is not over. But I would like to think, and 750 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,599 maybe I'm just painting the silver lining, but I would 751 00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:58,760 like to think that one of the reasons they're so 752 00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:02,400 freaky and losing their mind is because they see the 753 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,199 world around them out of their control and they think, 754 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,679 holy shit, what are we going to do now? So 755 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,599 let's hope that the good overwhelms the bad out there. 756 00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 2: Okay, Josh, thanks for all you do. 757 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,199 Speaker 4: So thanks for calling. We'll catch you later. I'm going 758 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,119 to talk a little more about Jerry Fallwell. I pulled 759 00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:27,159 up a list of various quotes and things he said 760 00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:31,280 and done over his lifetime. I'm going to share those next, 761 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,719 and then we'll go back to the phones quick break, 762 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:45,440 be right back. My previous caller had brought up Jerry Fallwell. 763 00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:48,360 He was the founder of the Moral Majority, and this 764 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,400 is one of those organizations that they always use things 765 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,039 like Freedom, Family, Liberty, Moral to brand themselves as they 766 00:43:56,119 --> 00:43:58,880 go out and just say and do awful stuff, usually 767 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,559 in the name of golf, and they say it like that. 768 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:03,119 I don't know if they all go to a preacher 769 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:07,400 school where they learn how to inflect their voice like this. 770 00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:11,840 Jerry Folwell used to say his words. He used to 771 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,639 communicate from the stage the pulpit, align himself with the 772 00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:18,119 White House, and he would always have that sort of 773 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,239 John Hagy vibe. Did they send people to a place 774 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,199 or do they grind him out of a factory and 775 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,280 be like, all right, well, here's what a preacher's supposed 776 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,280 to sound like. It's not as much the case these 777 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,679 days with all the hip preachers. I'm going to talk 778 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,840 to a hip ex preacher next week. I don't know. 779 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,280 I just find that interesting. But Jerry Folwell he said 780 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,519 some stuff that even all these decades later, long after 781 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,880 his death, it remains just as offensive as it ever was. 782 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,000 September eleventh, he said this, the abortionists have got to 783 00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:54,760 bear some burden for this, right the attacks of nine 784 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,440 to eleven. The abortionists have got to bear some burden 785 00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:02,119 for this because God will not be mocked. And when 786 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:07,480 we destroy forty million little innocent babies, we make God mad. 787 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,400 I really believe that the pagans and the abortionist and 788 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:15,079 the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are 789 00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:19,920 actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU 790 00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,079 people for the American Way, all of them who have 791 00:45:23,159 --> 00:45:27,960 tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their 792 00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:34,679 face and say, you helped this happen. The pressure on 793 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,320 him was so bad, the blowback was so intense that 794 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,079 he came forward afterwards and he did kind of that 795 00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:43,320 mitigation move where he's like, well, you know, I meant it, 796 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,559 but I mean I didn't meant it. I was misinterpreted 797 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,679 or something. Here's what he said about Martin Luther King 798 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,000 Junior quote, I must personally say that I do question 799 00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:58,519 the sincerity and non violent intentions of some civil rights 800 00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:02,840 leaders such as doctor Martin Luther King Junior, mister James Farmer, 801 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,679 and others who are known to have left wing associations. 802 00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,679 Of course, it's the left wing that wants violence, moral 803 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:17,760 anarchy on feminists. Jerry folwell Sor said, I listen to 804 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,639 feminists and all these radical gals, and yes he used 805 00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:25,480 the word gals. These women just need a man in 806 00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:29,719 the house. That's all they need. Most of The feminists 807 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,079 need a man to tell them what time of day 808 00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:35,119 it is and to lead them home, and they blew it, 809 00:46:35,519 --> 00:46:40,800 and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. 810 00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:47,199 They hate men. That's their problem. He had thoughts on 811 00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,880 climate change. I can tell you our grandchildren will laugh 812 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,679 at those who predicted global warming. We'll be in global 813 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,079 cooling by then, if the Lord hasn't returned. I don't 814 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,239 believe a moment of it. The whole thing is created 815 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:09,239 to destroy America's free enterprise system and our economic stability. 816 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,199 It's a vast conspiracy to try to remove the American way. 817 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,400 They want to control us by forcing people to act 818 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,840 more responsibly in regard to the environment. Wasn't it the 819 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:29,079 Jewish space laser claim by Marjorie Taylor Green? She said 820 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:34,440 that some Jewish cabal, some secret society of Jews, were 821 00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:38,360 flying a satellite over California using a laser to start 822 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,000 the wildfires, to choke the atmosphere with smoke, so that 823 00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:45,960 those evil libs would be able to pass suffocating climate 824 00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:51,079 change regulation to strip Americans of their freedom and turn 825 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:55,320 the United States into God. I don't know communism. It's 826 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,519 always comes back to communism and socialism and Marxism always 827 00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:03,960 comes back to that with these people one more right. 828 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,639 Jerry Folwell Senior thought the Jews followed a false religion. 829 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,519 He said, in my opinion, the Antichrist will be a 830 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,280 counterfeit of the true Christ, which means he will be 831 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:23,159 male and Jewish, since Jesus was male and Jewish. Now, 832 00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:26,880 the Jews don't hold to Jesus, right. They have the 833 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,760 pentituke of the Torah, the Hebrew Bible, but they don't 834 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,960 hold not New Testament people. Jesus not the Messiah in 835 00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:38,400 that culture. So Jesus was male and Jewish, his counterpart 836 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,079 will be male and Jewish. I have no idea where 837 00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,360 that comes from. If the Antichrist was the flip side, 838 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,840 wouldn't it be a female and a non Jew Anyway, 839 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,800 Jerry Folwell, he's one of those guys where he died, 840 00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,239 but he is not missed, if you know what I mean. 841 00:48:55,679 --> 00:49:00,320 Forgive the digression, but just a little context for you. 842 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,880 I've got Matthew at age six ' four. Thanks for waiting. 843 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,719 Are you there, hey, Seth? 844 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:08,199 Speaker 7: I'm here. 845 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:09,480 Speaker 4: What's going on? 846 00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:13,119 Speaker 7: I just wanted to say thanks. I've want to tell 847 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:16,320 the story of I hope you don't find me bringing 848 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,800 up the passing time, but we'll say ten or eleven 849 00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:24,000 years ago, I saw your the Thinking Atheist logo on 850 00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:27,480 a friend's dad's computer screen. I was like, oh, atheist, 851 00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,800 whatter atheist? You know, I was like thirteen, and it 852 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,559 just blew my mind that people believed in God didn't exist. 853 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,360 But now I've been listening to you for months and 854 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,320 been keeping me sane. 855 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,360 Speaker 4: Were you a Christian? 856 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:48,559 Speaker 7: H I was up until recently last year, and I 857 00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:52,119 kept listening to the atheist material online. I was like, oh, 858 00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:55,480 Seth Andrews. Seth Andrews is that guy from years back 859 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,519 that that person's dad was listening to. I was like, 860 00:49:59,039 --> 00:50:00,840 I just finally listened, and then I was like, oh 861 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,880 this it just makes so much sense. And the thing is, 862 00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,840 the things that really took me out, what allowed me 863 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,840 to be honest finally with myself, was just realizing that 864 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,000 I had thought all the same things before and just 865 00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:19,679 put them to the side, you know, like with the 866 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,159 Mormons they say put it on the shelf or something 867 00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:27,000 like that. And it took reading my Bible more and 868 00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:31,199 more and I finally read enough to you know, it 869 00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:34,639 was like enough reading the Bible and enough honesty to 870 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,960 just let it fall. 871 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:42,320 Speaker 4: Isaac Asimov has this quote, Properly read the Bible is 872 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,159 the most potent force for atheism ever conceived, And I 873 00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:50,000 think there may be some truth to that. If you 874 00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,039 read it correctly, you're probably not going to buy it. 875 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:53,800 Speaker 11: That's right. 876 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:58,079 Speaker 7: Well, hey, I was thinking. As soon as I realized, 877 00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:01,039 I was like, you know, if I was honest with myself, 878 00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:05,119 there's no evidence, there's nothing, And it's like I snapped 879 00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,400 and I was in a dystopia. You know, we're talking. 880 00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:11,119 This is the election season, so you know, rhetoric is 881 00:51:11,159 --> 00:51:15,320 hotter than usual, and you're saying sanity will prevail. I 882 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,000 really hope it does. I've got hope. I think we 883 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,320 have more hope than we've had in eight years when 884 00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:27,519 Kimla entered the race. I think it's reason enough to 885 00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:29,840 get excited. So I'm looking forward to November. 886 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,480 Speaker 4: We have to be realists about the culture that has 887 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,679 enabled what is happening. I mean, it's been a black light. 888 00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,840 The last ten years whatever have been a black light 889 00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:44,880 on the bigotry and the cruelty and the hatred and 890 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,000 the superstition, and those aren't going away. So you and 891 00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,199 I are probably in the same boat. We know that 892 00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:56,199 no one election, no one candidate, no one platform is 893 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,320 going to fix all of this. This is going to 894 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,480 be a long game. And long after whoever is gone 895 00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:07,559 from the office or from our headlines, the bigots and 896 00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:11,320 the charlatans, the cons, the grifters, the cruel the tyrants, 897 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,280 they will remain and they're going to continue to oppress 898 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,639 people and try to take all of the you know, 899 00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:21,320 all of the spoils for themselves. And I think we 900 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,480 have to be realists about that, but I still want 901 00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:28,599 to hold on to Hey, righteousness will overcome kind of, 902 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:33,199 So we'll just keep kicking, Matthew, and I feel you 903 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,599 and I appreciate your kind words, and I'm glad you 904 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,480 found your voice and thanks for the compliment. 905 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:39,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, well thanks for the tone. 906 00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 4: All right, be safe out there, We'll catch you later. 907 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,599 Saw the thinking atheist logo on a computer over a 908 00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:53,320 decade ago. You just never know, you just never know. 909 00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:59,719 Tremendously honored to hear those types of stories. And I'm 910 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,880 so glad that you are here in part of this community, 911 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,280 and that you have been with me and allowed me 912 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,920 to be with you over the last. I guess it's 913 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,519 fifteen years and we're still moving and shaking and debunking 914 00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:17,760 and learning and living together. And I'll keep going if 915 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,400 you will, so thanks again for being here. Be safe. 916 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:26,360 I will be back with Pastor No no, no ex pastor, 917 00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:30,239 a guy named Timmy Gibson. He will be my guest 918 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,000 on the show next week. Looking forward to that. 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