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Speaker 1: All right. I've been waiting to do this off the weekend,

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off of two tremendously exciting endings in the two main

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events on two different continents, one in Germany earlier in

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the day US time, and one in Brooklyn, New York.

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We're ready to recap the wins by Dalton Smith to

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capture the WBC Junior Welterweight title and a Jeep Kabba Yell,

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the rising heavyweight in the WBC rankings, retains his WBC

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Interim Heavyweight title in a wild atmosphere, in a wild fight.

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We're ready to recap all of that. Thank you for

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back with you. Important pertinent item to get out of

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the way off the top. Are you feeling any better

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seventy two hours later? Because you were under the weather

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playing a little hurt. What is the status right now?

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What's the latest?

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Speaker 2: Go a little bit under the weather, but what was that?

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Speaker 1: The lootings cough drops have helped. They're not sponsoring the show,

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but we're still saying.

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Speaker 2: That subsided to a degree.

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Speaker 1: But do you prefer flavored Nike will? They have different

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flavors of Nike will. Do you prefer a certain flavor?

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Or is Nike will not your friend for this right now?

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Speaker 2: N not my thing. I take. I've taken like just

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taking a little time in all here.

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Speaker 1: And there, all right, not not not anything dramatic like that.

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All right. I hope you do feel better, and I

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All right, As I said at the top, I have

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been anxious to talk to you about what we saw

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on Saturday. Let's begin chronologically. Don't you want to begin

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chronologically with what we saw in Germany? Do you want

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to begin with the title fight first, because it's the

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bigger deal with Dalton Smith's upset win over Superal Mattias.

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Speaker 2: I know you, but I.

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Speaker 1: Just I know you're a stickler for details. One happened

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Speaker 2: We're gonna start with the big one, all right, So we'll.

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Speaker 1: Start with a bigger one that was in the United States.

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Although it did not have massive attendance, there was a

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there was a roaring crowd in the Barkley Center for

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this how many ever were there? And Dalton Smith of

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England gets the knockout win in what was a slugfest.

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That's the best way to describe what we saw.

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Speaker 2: A lot of fans just in dressed up like empty seats.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's no doubt, but that did not Those are.

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Speaker 2: Two separate things. Those are two separate right, Yeah. And

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the terrible attendance and the ridiculous level of price on

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the pay per view and all the negativity that's on

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one side, it does not in any way whatsoever detract

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from a superb action fight. If you were somebody that

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decided to go or watch it on pay per view,

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absolutely it was worth It was a hell of a fight.

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Speaker 1: And so Dalton Smith gets the knockout, gets a technical knockout,

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which we'll discuss in a few moments. But Mattias obviously game.

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He only knows one way to fight, and maybe that

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was to his detriment. What are your thoughts as Mattias

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look like he was to me beginning to gain footing

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in the fight, getting the better of Dalton Smith until

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this is why boxing is different. Boom goes a dynamite

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you the difference of opinions on this

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fight are radical because I thought, first of all, very competitive,

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very excellent fight, but that the guy that felt like

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he was coming on, maybe taking over a little bit,

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was Mattias. That was my perspective, That was the perspective

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of twenty of other people who's.

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Speaker 1: Typically you don't like it, Typically you don't like it.

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thought Mattias was coming on and then there wasn't a

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fifth thing, even in the fifth round. Earlier, in the

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fifth round, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: So then there was others that were like that called

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me a lot of filthy names because I had the

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audacity to say that that that Mattias I felt was

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like sort of breaking down Dalton Smith as it was

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going on. But anyway, through five rounds, you know it

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lots of exchanges. Certainly, one thing is true, and this

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is something even Dalton Smith spoke about, is that where

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you figure, because he's the boxer puncher so to speak,

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in that equation, that he's going to use his legs

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a little bit more. He's going to move around, as

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tr and not just stand and slug it out with

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the slugger, which is usually a recipe for disaster. However,

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Dalton Smith, as he admitted afterwards, he kind of got

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dragged into the war and he ended up beating Surbril

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Mattias at his own game, and his game is pressure, pressure,

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and punching power and in the end when Dalton Smith

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wasn't holding Mattias. And holding is a pain in the

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neck and really annoying at times in boxing matches. I

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say that as a person that covered way too many

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John Ruiz fights. But the manner in which Dalton Smith

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used holding was very strategic. I didn't feel like it

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was taking away from the fight so much so the

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way he he dealt with the holding, it was maybe

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a little bit too much, but I understood it and

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it worked because he would smother Mattias when he was

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just starting to kind of get rolling, and he did

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it in spots and it was very strategic, and again

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he fought him in his own way. He got dragged

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into that war and he had no problem punching back.

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I hit you. And in the end in that fifth

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round where I felt that in that fifth rown, Matias

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was actually winning the fight, winning the round, I should say,

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winning round five until Dalton Smith really kind of out

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of nowhere, landed a couple of really hard right hands,

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backed him up and then came over the top with

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another right hand and put him on his ass and

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he look he got up to credit to Mattias to

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having the heart. But I thought the referee made the

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right decision. He seemed a little bit out of it.

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of a vacant look in his face, and he waved

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up the fight. And by the way, no protests from

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Speaker 1: When the fight was stopped, he initially kind of stomped

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his foot turned his back. I thought the only quivel

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quibbl correct the way to describe it. The only quibble

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is he didn't have Mattias put the gloves up or

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say walk to me, in which we would have seen

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the wobble. Now, you and I talk about this all

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the time. With these stoppages, the referee is right there

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looking right at the fighter. We are not more qualified

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than the referee who's looking at the fighter's eyes and

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looking at the body language. Like ninety nine times out

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of a thousand, we're going to defer to the referee

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looking at him. I thought there could have been an opportunity,

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you know, to wipe the gloves, make sure, can he

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go on or not and then let the thing continue.

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And he didn't do that. He just waved it off

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without saying put the gloves up or walk to me.

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Speaker 2: I thought the decision is vindicated because Mattias didn't say

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boo when he stopped it. He was fine, like, he

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didn't make a there was We'll get to the Dicaboll

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fight with me, but afterwards that's different. In this particular fight,

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Mattias was done. He didn't. He didn't, he didn't complain,

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he didn't make emotion, he didn't kind of you know,

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push the referee off of him. He had nothing in

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any way body, language wise, or otherwise to say anything

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other than you know what, you saved me. Look, it

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was a great victory for Dalton's myth because he is

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a guy that has come from the UK traveled to

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the Lions then if you will. I know it's not

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Mattias's hometown New York, but it was certainly probably more

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perto Ricans in the house then BRIT's there, although he

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did have a nice little cheering crowd for him that

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made the trip, or perhaps some folks that are from

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Britain that live here in America, so he did bring

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out some people, so that was good to see. And

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you know, I know it's only January and it's not

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going to stand up as a fight of the year

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anything like that, but people remember this fight however, goes on.

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Speaker 1: However, we're two weeks into the year. That's the fight

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of the year right now January. And it will change.

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There's anybody hearing more weekends coming up, so we know

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it will change. But for right now, that was action packed.

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Speaker 2: It was Smith's Smith is a guy that a lot

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of people have fought a lot of for a long time.

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He had a good amateur career and he's done it

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the old fashioned way, the way a lot of the

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British fighters have done in the past. He won the

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various smaller belts English Title, et cetera. He went on,

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he won the British title, he won the Commonwealth title,

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he won the European title. That's the typical pathway. You

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win the those three and then that sets you up

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into a world championship opportunity. He became the WBC mandatory challenger.

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He waited patiently, he did the jam, you know, the

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job he had to do, win the fights along in

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the way and when the opportunity came to get the

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title fight, when when Natroom was outbid by about two

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hundred thousand dollars on the purse bid. Remember this was

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originally a fight that Turkey al Chika was going to

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do back in one of the shows recently in Saudi

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Arabia and the promoter wan Orango from Fresh Productions, which

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was the promoter from Atias, for whatever reason, decided not

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to go that route. And you know, in my opinion

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made a dramatically terrible decision business wise to do what

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he did in New York. But again that's got nothing

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to do with the actual fight that took place. And

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so Dalton Smith packed his bags, have gloves, will travel

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and as Eddie said, Eddie's time in boxing, you know,

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twenty some years best British road wind that he's ever

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been a part of. And he's been a part of

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some big ones. When when kell Brook traveled to California

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and defeated Sean Porterfrery walterway title this was on neutral territory,

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but it was still the British fighter had to travel.

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This was and I was at this fight when Darren

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Barker went to Atlantic City and pulled the upset against

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Daniel Gale to win in Ittawate that Daniel Gale was

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from Australia. They were off he fighting on HBO and

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a neutral turf, but he put this ahead of that

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because you're finding them. You know, a guy that a

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lot of people said was a boogeyman, a two time champion,

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a devastating puncher, and he beat him at his own game.

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Speaker 1: A genuine emotion from Dalton Smith too. You saw tears.

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He's on the ground, he's got his dad celebrating with

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him at he hearn's jumping up and down in the

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ring because he sees dollar signs. And I thought it

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was really neat because he gave credit to Mauricio Suliman

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and the WBC and said I've always wanted to win

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one of these WBC Green Belts. And then he said

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to his dad, I purposely did not get him a

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holiday president a Christmas present. Here you go, here's your

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Christmas presidentt the belt on dad and his sons with

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fathers or those that have you know, their parents that

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have children. That's a cool thing, I know, the genuine thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff in boxing now

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with the entrance of ZUFA Boxing, and you know their

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perspective of not dealing with sanction bodies and serch They're

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and they don't want to deal with them. They want

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to have their own rankings, create their own titles and

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all that. And you know that may work for some people,

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I'm not knocking them, but whatever. However, I've been doing

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that time and again, time and again, time and again,

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every young fighter that you meet. Mostly I have heard

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this a million times from people to have gone on

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to become big time superstar champions. My dream is to

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win fill in the belt. My dream is to be

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I want the Green and Gold belt. I want to

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be a WC champion. I've heard young Puerto Rican fighters say,

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I want to be a WBO champion. I've heard the

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kid from you know, New Jersey or New York or Connecticut.

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My dream is to win the red and Gold belt.

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I want to be the IBF champion, you know WBA title.

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These young men and now women who grow up with

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aspirations they see their heroes have held these belts. So

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when Dalton Smith wins the WBC title, and that's a

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dream of his, he's aware that Muhammad Ali was a

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champion of the WBC, and Mike Tyson and Oscar de

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la Hoya and Lennox Lewis, all these great fighters, Roberto

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Duran and you name and and that. You can't replace that.

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Speaker 1: Grevin Hagler a hundred.

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Speaker 2: So that is anybody that comes into boxing to try

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to create a title or some organization, you know, let

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them have their their opportunity, to let them try, but

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you can't replace the decades and decades and decades of

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history that has become important within the confines of what

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we consider the history of boxing. And you know, whether

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you like it or not, the WBC is a major,

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major part of it.

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Speaker 1: One more and you'll love this because you and I

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love the nostalgia, the indelible images of Buster Douglas's upset

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in Mike Tyson. There's so many of them, but one

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of the best ones is that interview with your friend,

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longtime friend and colleague from HBO, Larry Merchant, where he says,

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they say, go oh. He stops the interview because I've

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got the WBC belt and and they're going, oh, and

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they're gonna put the belt on his shoulder. He goes, no,

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put the belt on me. Put the belt on me,

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he says to Larry Merchant. And he gets the belt

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on him, and he says, Larry, I've watched you guys

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for years put the belt on fighters, and I've drag

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exactly what you just said. I've dreamed of this to

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be standing here right now as a world champion.

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Speaker 2: Whether you're a heavyweight who just pulled up a huge

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upset from Columbus, Ohio, yeah, you know thirty some years

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ago or whatever it's been thirty six thirty six years ago,

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or you're a young kid from Sheffield, England, one hundred

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and forty pounder that comes to New York to do it.

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They all have the same dreams and aspirations and and

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you know what, he's now in a heavy and a

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heavily populated division with m I'm.

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Speaker 1: Not gonna let me say what's next for Dalton Smith

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now he has won this.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean he's he's obviously you know they didn't

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say this, but I know Eddie Hearn and the way

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Matchrim does things well enough. Probably they'll go home to

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Sheffield and bring a you know whatever. Now, I'm not

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gonna fight a bump, but they'll bring a credible guy.

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Although I believe that the WBC is going to order

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the mandatory, uh, I'm not sure if add the opportunity

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to do an optional Alberto Pueo, who is the former

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champion that was defeated by Superal Mattias in the summer

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to win the title. He is in that position, so

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we'll see if they order that next.

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Speaker 1: But so field is so convolution is how is the

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guy that lost in his last fight still the mandatory

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after that? I mean, that's just crazy. We don't deltigate it,

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but that's crazy. But they'll You're right, he's gonna have

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a jam packed arena in Sheffield and make a seven

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figure payday. We know that his life has changed now

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the Dalton Smith.

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Speaker 2: Uh. So we'll see what they do. Hopefully he'll get

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the opportunity to have an optional defense. They'll they'll bring

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a big crowd. But other than whatever happens in the

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immediate next fight, he has stamped himself as a significant

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player in the weight class because he has the title,

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because he's got the undefeated record, because he has a

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fan base, because he's got a good personality, because he's

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got a good style to watch, like he checks all

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the boxing obviously very good. And he's in a weight

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class that has some serious action. You got cha course

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Stevenson moving up the challenge Tiafimo Lopez, who is the

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WBO and the lineal champion. You have other quality fighters

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in the way class. Those are you know, just two

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of them. You obviously you know playos in the mix.

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You know, we'll see what Surbrial Matias does. Obviously is

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not gonna be any kind of rematch. I think he

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may perhaps try his hand at one hundred and forty seven,

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which is there for guys to win titles because it's

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not the deepest division. You have Richardson Hitchins, who was

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an excellent champion with the IVF.

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Speaker 1: Yeahs, and Hitchins is aligned with Matchroom, correct, is he not?

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Speaker 2: Not not anymore? They were trying to work something out.

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I'm not sure where that's going, all right, but Hitchins

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is there with a belt. You have got Gary Antoine Russell,

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he's got his mandatory with Heroca that's supposed to be next.

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You got pitt Bull Cruise is still in that weight class.

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The point is Lamont Roach is in that weight class. Now.

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I mean, you got a lot of talented guys that

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can Nixon match, and I think you know, after what

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occurred on Saturday, Dalton Smith is going to be a

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significant part of that discussion.

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Speaker 1: I would say this too, because we love this. Mattias

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is an all action fighter and I'm not saying it's next.

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I'm saying somewhere down the road, you might do that

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again in England or in Sheffield, and sign me up.

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I would watch on the basis of what we saw

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and can I add one more thing because we're going

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to move on to the other card in a moment.

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I enjoyed Corey Erdman and Raoul Marquez on the call.

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I enjoy Raoul anyway, and we haven't had him on

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the pod in a while as a former world champion.

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And Raoul kept saying it kind of what you said

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at the beginning here, Mattias is coming on. Mattias is

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getting the better of Dalton Smith. I mean, let's don't

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revise history because he got the knockout. He's bleeding from

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the nose, he's bleeding with a cut over the eye.

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I thought the upper cut was landing from Mattias. And

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this is why we love boxing, because he did the

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one to eighty change around with the two or three

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big punches that ended the fight. This is why we looked.

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Speaker 2: At If you look at the way the fight went, okay,

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certainly Dalton Smith won the first round. That's not even

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up for debate because Mattias literally didn't do anything, which

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is not a surprise. He's typically been somewhat of a

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slow starter during the course of his career. And if

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you take a look around five, which is when the

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knockout occurred, up until the point of the knockout, clearly,

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at least in my mind, Mattias was winning that round.

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So now you got to figure out, okay, what was

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going on? You know in two, three, and fourth.

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Speaker 1: I thought he won the fourth round and he cut

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he cut Smith over the eye in the fourth round.

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Matias he was come up.

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Speaker 2: At the score cards. So one of the judges h

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gave Mattias rounds two to three and four. That's a

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little bit dicey. Perhaps another judge had given you know,

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it made a two to one in favor of of

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of Dalton Smith. After that, after that first round which

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all three all three judges scored for appropriately for Mattias,

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and then the other judge had it had given to

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two rounds two and three to Dalton Smith. So going

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into the knockout round he had a highly competitive close

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fight thirty nine thirty seven on UH on two score

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cards in favor of Dalton Smith and one thirty nine

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to thirty seven in favor of Superal Mattias. And by

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the way, when you're in round five, if it's gonna

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go the distance, you still got more than half the

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fight left. So all the people losing their minds over

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saying who they thought was winning or whatever. You know,

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I mean, he was a back and forth fight, I mean, entertaining,

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you know, heck of a fight. But Don Smith tremendous

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job props.

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Speaker 1: To him, really good still him on the knockout win,

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great story, and this.

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Speaker 2: Was not really brought up much on the broadcast, if

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at all. Frankly, even though he was allowed to fight,

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you still know he had a a some amount of

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ostring in the system. In the testing that took place.

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It was within the levels allowable by New York State,

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but there's some that still question whether he was, you know,

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a clean fighter throughout his training camp, and that's a

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fair question. And if he wasn't, he paid the price.

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And even if he was, he got knocked out.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to earlier in the day

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and the Queensbury Design Show in Oberhausen, Germany were a

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Jeekkabba Yell your books, Yes, Kaba Yell with a knockout

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in a wild atmosphere again against Damien Niba Niba, a

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Polish fighter based in New Jersey. And this was a

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slug fest and Caba Yell got hit some but he

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got the better of Niba here again a stoppage in

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this case without a knockdown. In the end, he hurt him,

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he staggered him. Niba did protest after the fight. But

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it's a Tko Forkba Yell who's now won what five

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or six fights in a row by knockout and retains

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the WBC's interim heavyweight title. All right, give me your

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thoughts on that main event, and then we'll talk a

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little bit about the code feature as well, with the

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young up and coming Cuban born fighter that also won.

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But Kaba Yell did what he was supposed to do,

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and he's speaking of large paydays. He's in position for

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a larger or a large payday coming up.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt. And that was actually a six knockout

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in a row. And we're going to get to the Horrify,

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which technically was not the Cold Feature, although it was

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the most significant gight. I think they just made the

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German heavyweights the cold feature because they had more of

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a local flavor to it. But nonetheless, in terms of look,

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he's continued a good run. You know, it all started

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in the three consecutive events he had or fight he

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had on read season cards, beginning at the end of

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twenty twenty three, when he scored a knockout against Arsenin

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Beck Macmadou, who was favored by many people in that

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he dusted him in the four rounds, came back and

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knocked out the undefeated Frank Sanchez in seven rounds, and

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mcmadou had also been undefeated, then took a part Zilly

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Jang knocked himut in the sixth round he had, you know,

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he had a loss or two, but certainly he was

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a well known fighter. So that's three big wins in

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a row. He won the interim belt in that title

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in that fight against Zilly Jang, and they brought him

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home to Germany and fought in Germany in a few years.

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Queensberry is doing a very smart thing in my opinion,

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So I get credit to Frank Warren and to his

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son George Warren, who were looking at Germany as a

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really underutilized market, where at one point in the nineties

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and into like up to like Abound twenty Tenish was

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extremely robust market, big TV ratings on multiple platforms, multiple channels,

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I should say, big stadiums. You're talking about the Klitschko brothers, Darius, Mikolchewsky,

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Arthur Goigorian, Felix Stern, Gratziana Raka, Johnny. I mean, they

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had a lot of Henry Maska, they had a lot

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of really popular fighters, and it's been very, very dormant

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at the top level of championship boxing for a long time,

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and they see a great opportunity with having a fighter

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like Kabel who was a popular figure there. You know,

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he's a friendly guy, he's got a good personality, got

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a nice smile, fights his ass off and maybe they

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can you know, and it showed. They went to a

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thirteen thousand seed arena thereabouts sold it out. They were

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tied into the date, which apparently meant there was other

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arenas they could have potentially tried to go to, but

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they were not available. So they would have liked to

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do this in a larger arena. They settled for the

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thirteen or twelve thousand seater because this was the date

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they were tied into with his own. But they now

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know because of the raucous crowd and the fact that

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it's sold out pretty easily against an opponent that's not

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a well known guy, right, they can really make Hay

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and when they do his events, you watch the undercard,

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they add a bunch of heavyweights and other Germans that

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they're trying to bring along and can maybe make it

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into another destination market.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into the specific some whether you thought

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the stoppage was justified because there was plenty of action.

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Adam Smith said on the broadcast. I was watching the

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full broadcast that he said, I've been coming to Germany

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for the last three decades.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no. I got to relax with the

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Adam Smith please, I.

473
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,559
Speaker 1: Got to give it to you. They'll like him, and

474
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,599
I realize he's there to hype it. But I've been

475
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,160
coming to Germany for the last three decades and this

476
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,400
is as electric as I have heard it. And I

477
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,920
don't know, I can't verify that it wasn't as electric.

478
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,480
Certainly when the Clitchkos are fighting in a stadium, that's different.

479
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:44,960
But there was an atmosphere.

480
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 2: Oh you can tell you will.

481
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,599
Speaker 1: It was genuinely coming through on the broadcast. And then

482
00:22:48,759 --> 00:22:51,200
they're slugging each other in the first round. Let's segue

483
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:51,960
that into the action.

484
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: Well, just to back up about the atmosphere, George Warren,

485
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,000
who was Frank's son, appairently Frank was not able to

486
00:22:57,039 --> 00:22:58,920
be there for whatever reason, but you know, George was

487
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,640
on hand or did a brief interview with The Zone

488
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,039
after the fight and talked about, you know, if we

489
00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:06,079
we think we've got the guy to sort of bring

490
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,599
back the German market with Cabell uh and he you know,

491
00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:12,799
and George has been around boxing for a number of years, uh,

492
00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:15,119
you know, as his father sort of like chief lieutenant,

493
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,799
if you will, and in many ways running the day

494
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:19,160
to day business, and he's been in all those big

495
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,440
stadium fights that that Queensberry has been involved with, whether

496
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,160
it's Tyson Fury or whatever big events they have done

497
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,240
plenty of top fights, and he said that was the

498
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,480
best atmosphere he's ever been in the years, all of

499
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,079
his years in boxing, and uh, it was exactly that.

500
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: No.

501
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,400
Speaker 2: Cabell Uh at this moment in time is without question

502
00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:38,759
a top two or three heavyweight based on his recent

503
00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:43,440
track record. Neiba was undefeated. Uh, he was good in

504
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,279
the first round. He looked very good in the first round.

505
00:23:46,279 --> 00:23:49,640
He swelled up a little bit on on Cabialls e,

506
00:23:49,759 --> 00:23:53,279
he cut him and dominated the first round. And but

507
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,160
the way caballs he explained, he guys, look, you know,

508
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,319
I hadn't fought for eleven months. I wasn't totally as

509
00:23:58,319 --> 00:24:00,240
focused maybe as I should have been. And I got

510
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,680
back to the corner after round. And Caboll speaks English,

511
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,480
so he was telling this in English on the broadcast.

512
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,799
Yesters like, my coach is like, you know, what are

513
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:10,039
you doing? You know? He got to focus and you know,

514
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,640
and he went out there and he got a shit

515
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,000
together and he from there on pretty much dominated the fight.

516
00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:16,400
But it was an excellent, fun heavyweight fight. Back and forth,

517
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,720
back and forth. You talk about the stoppage, I didn't

518
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,480
love it, but it was a matter of time, I

519
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:22,799
guess is the way I looked at it like he

520
00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:23,839
had heard him real bad with.

521
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: He clearly rocked him with a couple of rights. He

522
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,319
staggered him along the ropes. They He then staggered him

523
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,440
kind of towards the middle of the ring, and that's

524
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,319
where the referee waved and said, that's it without a knockdown.

525
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,640
Now remember the Matias one we're referencing. There was a

526
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,519
knockdown and the referee waved it off. Did you have

527
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:42,920
a problem with the stoppage?

528
00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:46,839
Speaker 2: Like I said, I didn't love it, but there was

529
00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:49,319
a big right hand. And look Mark Lyson, who was

530
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:51,160
the British referee that was handling the fight. He's had

531
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,200
his issues here and there. Some people made out of

532
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,079
liked how they were officiated, the fact that this is

533
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,759
a heavyweight championship fight of sorts. They're only in round three.

534
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,680
Nobody's been down. He hasn't been in any way in

535
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,640
my opinion, like badly staggered. You know, he took some shots, fine,

536
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,799
but it's professional heavyweight boxing. That's part of the game,

537
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,319
that's part of the job. That it probably should have

538
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,440
been allowed to continue, but I feel like it probably

539
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,519
would have not gone that much longer, if that makes sense.

540
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,759
So he did complain. Unlike unlike Mattias, who didn't even

541
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:28,920
say a word immediately when the referee stepped in and

542
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,240
stopped this fight, Neba was pissed off about it, and

543
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:34,680
you could tell he kind of like shrugged and like,

544
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,160
what the hell are you doing? But look, it's a

545
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,359
high pressure job. I'm not making excuses for anybody. They've

546
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,559
got to split second and make a decision, and so

547
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:45,599
I'm not gonna question this. I mean, he was probably

548
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,880
gonna get knocked out, and it is what it is,

549
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:48,920
and he was, and.

550
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: The referee is right there looking at it and right

551
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,759
there seeing it. Well, we're watching on TV at a

552
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,519
at a great distance on a screen, so I.

553
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: Think it's fair. It's fair for anybody to look at

554
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,559
that knockout and say, yeah, you know, it was premature.

555
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,160
But by the same token, it was not even in

556
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,119
the top thousand like premature stoppages I may have seen

557
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,839
in my life. It was just like it was on

558
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,559
the on the other side of like not great, but again,

559
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,319
what are you gonna do? It had been a fun

560
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,759
fight for three rounds. And here's the thing, though, that

561
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,440
was the final fight of the night. If you watch

562
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,720
the rest of the undercard, there were so many fucking

563
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,519
fucked up refereeing things that that that event that it

564
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,039
just seems like another thing to add to it, because

565
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:30,480
if you take a look at the undercard before this

566
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:33,039
fight took place, there was another I think this technically

567
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,000
was the co feature, was the fight between Uh Granite Shallah,

568
00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:42,480
who was a German heavyweight and Peter Milas Uh. And

569
00:26:42,519 --> 00:26:44,720
there was a knockout in the tenth round of this fight,

570
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,079
and and and I don't know the referees, a German referee.

571
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,400
Uh was one of the worst things I ever saw

572
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,279
in my life. They were like, what why are you

573
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:55,799
not stopping fight? Even the other opponent was like, dude,

574
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:59,119
what are you doing? Like finally, finally the the uh,

575
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,720
the the corner threw in the towel. But the guy

576
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,799
had been down. He was wobbling, he could barely move.

577
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,839
It was like like, we can't win. Like, on one hand,

578
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,000
that was way too late of a stoppage and to

579
00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:10,960
the credit of the guy to show the heart to

580
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,279
stay up, but whatever, and then the other one the

581
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:15,279
other way around, where you're like, Okay, this probably should

582
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:18,680
have gotten longer. Here's like a happy media. One was

583
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,279
a horrible stoppage because it was so late. The other

584
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:22,839
one was your questioning because it was a little bit

585
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,160
too soon. But you know, I guess the aged old

586
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,000
adage and you know we all have our issues here

587
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,279
and there was stoppages. I guess in the end of

588
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,640
the day, it's one punch too soon to stop. It

589
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,039
is better than one punch too late.

590
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: Agreed. Give me some more on YadA or Herrera winning

591
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:39,240
his fight.

592
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 2: We're talking about what's next for kabyo baby.

593
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: Oh well, well, but I mean with Kabiel, is it realistic?

594
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:46,680
I mean, he's gonna get a seven figure payday against

595
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,920
somebody you would think.

596
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: Probably made close to seven figures yesterday.

597
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: Right, So what do you think is next? Real quick?

598
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:52,599
And then we'll move around.

599
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 2: He wants to fight who's sick? That's you know, they.

600
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: Were realistically, that's not next.

601
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you said.

602
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,599
Speaker 1: Me on this pod and off this pod on four

603
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,359
different occasions. Usik's fighting Deontay Wilder. Usiks fighting Deontay.

604
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 2: Wilder probably is, but that doesn't mean that Queensberry and

605
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,880
Gold stars fres Spencer Brown, who also works with Kabel,

606
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,960
can't try to make a run at him, all right,

607
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,799
And if there's enough money, you never know what the

608
00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:21,440
decision is going to be, because I can tell you

609
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:23,960
right now, no matter what, if they were actually able

610
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,240
to corral Usik to do the fight and go to Germany,

611
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,000
and certainly Usik is a road where he's fought his

612
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,519
entire career on the road, that's not an issue. They

613
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:34,279
would fill up. A stadium would be very much like

614
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:37,240
the old Clitch Coode days, Cabiel against Usik. Pack a stadium.

615
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:39,160
You want to go to Berlin, you want to go

616
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,400
to Humburg, you want to go back to Oberhas and

617
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:44,240
pick whatever you know stadium you can find and they'll

618
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,319
put fifty sixty thousand.

619
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,079
Speaker 1: I was in the Bayern Munich Soccer Stadium with the

620
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:50,680
Tampa Bay Buccaneers playing the Seattle Seahawks, and that is

621
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:53,319
like a billion with a B dollar facility. Go have

622
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,119
it there. While we're just picking.

623
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,799
Speaker 2: Stadiums, it's not out of the realm of possibility that

624
00:28:57,799 --> 00:28:59,640
with enough money they can perhaps lure him. But yeah,

625
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,000
I mean I still think he's gonna wind up. Uh

626
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:05,160
fighting against Wilder next. But keep in mind also, you know,

627
00:29:05,359 --> 00:29:07,319
Usik has said time and again in recent months he's

628
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:08,920
gonna fight, you know, two or three or four more

629
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,559
times and then he's gonna call it a day. So

630
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,599
if he goes and he beats Deontay Wilder, you know,

631
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,880
Cabiol is still around, there's no reason that act fight

632
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,960
couldn't happen, you know, you know, one fight later, like

633
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,759
at the end of the year, let's say, so, certainly possiblity,

634
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:23,440
so he wants to us. But the more realistically, we

635
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:25,319
had a lot of other guys are on hand, you know,

636
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,200
trolling for the fight. You had Lawrence Sokoley, who's highly

637
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:31,039
rated in the WBC, who's part of Queensberry. He had

638
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,680
Philip Pargovic who was there looking for the fight. He

639
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,400
may not be signed to Queensberry, but he's WATS and

640
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,559
Queensberry guys they have a relationship. There's other fighters at

641
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:44,200
Queensberry Promotes. They promote Tony Yoka, they promote obviously Fabio Wardley,

642
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,559
who's the WBO champion. I saw some of Tabiel's postfight

643
00:29:47,599 --> 00:29:50,079
press carts. He was asked about doing a fight against Wardley.

644
00:29:50,119 --> 00:29:51,759
He was like Yeah, absolutely, I would take that fight.

645
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,119
So when you have a a delt like an interim

646
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:58,960
title of the WBC, and you have popularity and you

647
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,359
can sell tickets and you and you have a fun,

648
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,160
exciting style, and you are highly rated, and you're a

649
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,039
guy that can generate money, you're gonna have a pretty

650
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,799
I won't say easy, but you're gonna.

651
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: Be Do have options, you have lucrative You have lucrative

652
00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:12,960
options at this.

653
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,279
Speaker 2: Point, cabell is in a great position right now. That's

654
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:16,200
the bottom line.

655
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: All right, about Herrera and the stoppage of Ricardo Nunez,

656
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:21,240
give me the thoughts in the recap mode.

657
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: Herrera has been an excellent prospect. I had him at

658
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,839
the at the end of last round on my prospect list.

659
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,240
He only got to fight one time, you know, was

660
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,400
he was not very busy at all in twenty twenty five,

661
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,920
just the one fight. Part of it was injury. I

662
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,359
believe part of it was getting this title fight set up.

663
00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:39,759
I'm not sure what the other issues were. In any event,

664
00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:43,279
He's got a tremendous amount of talents. He's only twenty

665
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:48,000
three years old, Cuban southpaw, you know, really quick, wiry,

666
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,839
maybe not the greatest chin. He got dropped about twenty

667
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:54,839
seconds into the fight. Ricardo Nunez, who is known probably

668
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,000
best for getting destroyed in two rounds challenging Tank Davis

669
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,359
for a one hundred and thirty pounds title back a

670
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,880
few years ago. But he spot some good guys and

671
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,759
you know, generally lost when he stepped up to the

672
00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:07,559
top level. But he had Herrera. Uh, he's a good puncher.

673
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,519
Had Herrara on the matt twenty seconds into the fight.

674
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:11,359
It wasn't a heavy knockdout, but it was a clear shot,

675
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:13,519
a good right hand. He shook it off, he got

676
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:16,319
back in the fight. It was competitive, but in the end,

677
00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:20,960
Herrara just too young, too fast, too slick, uh, too south,

678
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,079
puntish and uh and too much of of of everything.

679
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,079
And he eventually and and her and he was just

680
00:31:27,119 --> 00:31:29,279
wearing he was wearing down is out as that fight

681
00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:32,240
went along, and eventually, you know, he caught him and

682
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:34,759
he stopped him. It was one of those kind of

683
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:39,839
knockouts where like he was definitely hurt. If that makes

684
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,720
like it wasn't like he was he wasn't out cold

685
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:43,680
or anything like that, but he was he was not

686
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:46,039
in great shape. I guess after the uh, after that

687
00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:49,519
happened and you know, they they stopped the fight. I

688
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,599
mean it was uh, it was a good I guess

689
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,920
overall for a young kid like that to go in

690
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:56,480
with a good solid veteran who's got good power like

691
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,759
that to survive what he had to do. I feel

692
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,079
like he tired Nunya's out a little bit. Around the

693
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:04,240
fifth or sixth round. I felt like Nunya's was starting to,

694
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:06,400
you know, to really wear down, like the battery. If

695
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,039
you were playing a video game, you have the meter

696
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,440
like what your strength is. He was getting close to

697
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,480
the end there, and he hit him with like X.

698
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: Or A seventeen times to get some charge back, to

699
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,039
get some energy back.

700
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:19,559
Speaker 2: He didn't have it, but he hit him with a

701
00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:23,039
tremendous uh, a tremendous right hand and uh when he

702
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:26,039
had him on the ropes. The knockout itself was kind

703
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,599
of crazy because you don't see this a lot. He

704
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,000
had nailed him, and the referee, dang of Vanderwheel, who's

705
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,000
been around forever, went in to stop the fight, and

706
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,839
he was behind Herrera, so he went to kind of

707
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,759
pull him off to like intercede, and Herrera like, I

708
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,759
don't know, is it just in a matter of excitement,

709
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,599
you know, he kind of jerked and was excited, threw

710
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:46,160
his hands up and it kind of caught Van guard.

711
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: And he knocked him and knocked him over.

712
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, toppled to the canvas. So at that moment I

713
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,559
wasn't entirely sure did he actually stopped the fight, and

714
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,480
you know, the referee kind of scrambled to his feet

715
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:57,319
and uh and walked over to the corner and waved

716
00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:59,119
the fight off. So it was kind of an unusual

717
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,240
ending the way that happened. But it was a good

718
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,359
performance from Herrara, and because he was able to show

719
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,640
some forty two to get up and to survive and

720
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,519
to go on and wear the guy down and show

721
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,079
his great athleticism and also the punching power. That's a

722
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,720
nice win for a young kid like that. He wins

723
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,200
the interim title. We already discussed the nonsense of that

724
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:20,799
with what happened with Foster and Fulton from the preview podcast,

725
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,480
where it was first it was gonna be these guys,

726
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,480
then they let that fight be for the title, and

727
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:28,759
then O'shaki vacated after he beat Fulton, and so this

728
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:30,680
was back for that title. But the bottom line is

729
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,440
it puts Herrara in a good spot because if Shakur

730
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,599
win or lose against t Fimo decides to stay in

731
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,160
the heavier weight class, a good chance at Herrara will

732
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,279
be elevated by the WBC. Not one hundred percent, but

733
00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:45,000
that would be a good likelihood. If not, he'll still

734
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,599
be in a top position within the WBC ratings, certainly

735
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:50,640
with the interim title. So and then you know there's

736
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,000
gonna be other opportunities for good fights, and he's a

737
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:54,359
very exciting young fighter.

738
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: All right, So we gave you a good recap, so that,

739
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,079
by the way, you also wanted to make mention, because

740
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:01,720
we are a recap that there was a Friday night

741
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:05,599
show in Albuquerque, New Mexico paying tribute to the late

742
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,880
Hall of Famer Johnny Tapia with his promotion and his

743
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:13,760
sons both on the card making their professional debuts. Educate

744
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,039
the peeps more here go ahead.

745
00:34:15,039 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't say it was necessarily a tribute, but

746
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,960
Tapia Promotions, which has been around since before Johnny died,

747
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,679
which is run by his widow, Teresa Tapia, who was

748
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,920
his manager for a long time, and is certainly an

749
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,119
experienced person within the boxing business. They put on some

750
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:35,119
of these club shows in Albuquerque in the Southwest. Anyway,

751
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,000
Johnny's two of his sons, Johnny Junior who's twenty five

752
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,519
and Nico who's twenty, had been boxing as amateurs and

753
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,159
they both made their professional debuts on the same card.

754
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,119
That was at a night club in Albuquerque, on a

755
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,199
card that Teresa was promoting on Friday night. And you know, look,

756
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,599
Johnny Tapia was a very popular fighter, a great fighter,

757
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,239
a Hall of Famer, one of my favorites, both as

758
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,000
a person as well as as a boxer. I thought

759
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,639
it was notable to, like, you know, not to spend

760
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,840
a lot of time on it that the two boys

761
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,039
turn pro and they got wins under dead. He's not

762
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,079
a surprise because obviously they're not gonna be that's super tough.

763
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:11,480
But Johnny Juwor is a jubni midlewight. He he got

764
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,760
a knockout, two knockdowns, and scored a first round knockout.

765
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,039
And then Nico, who was the younger one, who's only

766
00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:19,400
twenty years old, he's a super mid ewight. He won,

767
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,480
he got a knockdown, he won a four round decision

768
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,960
by shoutout forty to thirty five on all three score cards.

769
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,079
You know, take it into account to one knockdown, and

770
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:28,280
we'll see how they do in their pro curse. But

771
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,239
I mean their dad was one of the one of

772
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,199
the best fighters of his day, obvious Hall of famer

773
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:34,880
and with a with a ton of big time fights.

774
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,280
And we'll see how the kids do.

775
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: All right, some news and you were you were talking

776
00:35:40,519 --> 00:35:42,840
to me before I hit the record button about I

777
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,320
believe the phrase you used one a mess on the

778
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:51,039
Virgil Ortiz jiron andis proposed a junior middleweight bout. I've

779
00:35:51,079 --> 00:35:53,119
seen a lot of back and forth on social media,

780
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:56,679
including from Oscar deal La Joia. You've been doing some digging,

781
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,800
calling around, texting, trying to figure out what's going on here,

782
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,119
and you describe it to me as what a mess.

783
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: If you ask Golden Boy, you know, anybody there will, they'll,

784
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,239
like you ask what's up with that? And they'll just

785
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,400
make a noise like, oh, like they just don't even

786
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,159
want to talk about it. They're so like dismayed and

787
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,320
just sort of depressed about the whole thing. You ask

788
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,599
the Virgil side, you ask like his manager Rick Marrigian,

789
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,199
and you know he just can you know, go off

790
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,480
on a on a on a rant about it match room.

791
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,960
You know, we've seen Eddie make his videos talking about it.

792
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,360
I know his own very much wants to fight. I

793
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,159
can tell you right now the date that's been penciled

794
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:37,440
in for this fight on March twenty eighth. The fight

795
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:39,320
may still happen, and I hope it does because it's

796
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,800
a tremendous matchup, but I'd be really surprised if they

797
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,519
can get the shit together by March twenty eight. That's

798
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:45,239
not a lot of time for a fight that they'd

799
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,000
be promoting as well.

800
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:49,079
Speaker 1: Hang on, it's nine or ten weeks. What is so bad?

801
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:51,039
What is so damaged that it can't be worked out

802
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:51,719
in a week or two?

803
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,599
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Well, I don't have that long to work

804
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:55,280
it out, especially with all the stuff that has to

805
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,719
go on. But I'm just telling you.

806
00:36:56,679 --> 00:36:59,039
Speaker 1: Day o hooly, Okay, let me I already I kind

807
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:01,400
of know part of the answer. Day Hollya says that

808
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,280
Virgil Ortiz should get the sixty percent of the sixty

809
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,400
forty split, and that's obviously one of the sticking points.

810
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: Scott. Here's here's the issue, and Eddie has said this,

811
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,880
and it's not the first time, and my understanding is

812
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,360
that he's absolutely being truthful about this. However, many months ago,

813
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:20,000
and he talked about this in the video he did.

814
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,159
Eric Gomez, an Oscar de lawyer from Golden Boy, Eddie

815
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,199
Hearn from atrom Boxing, and executives from his own Two

816
00:37:27,199 --> 00:37:30,599
specific executives sat in the room together and made a

817
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:33,639
deal for what their deal was not so much what

818
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:36,760
Oscar's deal would be with his fighter, not what Eddie's

819
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,639
deal would be with the Bootsennis, but how it was

820
00:37:39,679 --> 00:37:43,039
going to work between the two companies. And they came

821
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:45,239
up with a deal, and now Oscar apparently is trying

822
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,039
to reneg on that. So the point was, was it

823
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:52,800
going to be sixty forty but the winner gets five percent?

824
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,400
Did they go fifty to fifty and the winner gets

825
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,079
an extra five percent? You know, in other words, it

826
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:59,119
would be at that point fifty five to forty five.

827
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,079
Now I like that concept because that brings prize fighting

828
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,480
back to the forefront. Yes, guys get paid a lot

829
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,719
of money and get their guarantees, but they put that

830
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,079
extra percentage up to go to the winner sort of

831
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:13,519
like to the winner go the spoils, and they're having

832
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:17,400
a lot of issues with that. Meanwhile, Oscar is still

833
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,079
unable to work out the final numbers with the Virgil

834
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,280
RTIs side. I feel, and this is my conjecture, I

835
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,400
don't know this for sure, but I've been around the

836
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,639
block a few times. If Oscar is trying to change

837
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:33,920
the structure of the deal with Mattroom to get a

838
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:37,679
larger percentage for their side, he wants to probably use

839
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,000
some of that money that would be extra for them

840
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,280
to go towards making virgil side hole. How they feel

841
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,480
like they need to be made whole, so he doesn't

842
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:48,400
have to reach into his own pocket. He'd rather reach

843
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,079
into Eddie Hern's pocket to pay Virgil the extra than

844
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,320
into his own pocket. So there's a lot of problems

845
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,360
with that, and a lot of people are pissed off

846
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,840
about it. They have promised this fight to a lot

847
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,840
of people. The Zone is putting extreme pressure on everybody

848
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,000
involved to get this fight done. Now. I don't know

849
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:08,920
this for a fact. There's been a lot of conjecture

850
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,920
that and this is not I'm not saying anything out

851
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,280
of turn here. Take a look at at the Zone schedule.

852
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,039
They got Matt Room fights scheduled over the next few months.

853
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,159
They got Frank Warren and Queensberry fight schedule over the

854
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,039
next few months. They've got Turkey, Uh, you know his

855
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,760
Ring magazine events scheduled. Uh. Golden Boy has a car

856
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,760
coming up on Friday night, the rematch between Alexis Roach

857
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,679
and Raoul Kurio. They have nothing else on this schedule.

858
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,719
My understanding is that Golden Boy their contract is up

859
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,360
and has not yet been formally renewed, and part of

860
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,480
the pressure to get the renewal is delivered, to deliver, deliver.

861
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:45,960
Why they would go to the mat over this one

862
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,920
particular bout, which is a great fight. I can't necessarily

863
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,239
answer that. But there's stuff going on that I'm not

864
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,639
necessarily aware of it. My radar is up in my nose.

865
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: And you are the best at figuring out what's going on.

866
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,320
Two more points about this. The first point is, let's

867
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,639
revisit because we give our opinions on this, and we

868
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,280
got more opinions coming up when we talk about the

869
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,320
zoof of boxing stuff here in a few moments. We're

870
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,159
independent on this. We're not beholding anybody boots in us and.

871
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: I'd like to be beholding to Looten scoff drops.

872
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: Looten cough drops are good. I'd like to and you

873
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,559
might need one here in a minute. There is no

874
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:26,119
benefit of the doubt for Jeron Ennis in this argument,

875
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,920
because this fight could have happened last year and this

876
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,360
should not be lost on anybody. And he renigged, and

877
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,239
he went and changed the terms after they had been

878
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,440
agreed to, wanting the fight to be a welterweight fight,

879
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:39,800
and screwed all of that up. So I'm just going

880
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,360
to continue to remain consistent.

881
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: That's fine, but again, don't have I'm just.

882
00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: Saying you don't have any benefit of the doubt that

883
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,360
negotiating is still going on because this could have been

884
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:48,840
a year ago and you screwed it up.

885
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: But again, you can't just only look at it. At

886
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,239
some point, you got to move on. We understand that,

887
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,519
disagree that happened, and that was a problem, all right.

888
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:01,239
But as we speak now, it is my belief they

889
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,519
want this fight under.

890
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,639
Speaker 1: The because he's already moved up in Why do they

891
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:06,960
want this fight because it's lucrative. So my next question

892
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:10,800
is is Oscar looking for Turkey al chic who has

893
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,559
the bank roll every which direction to maybe come in

894
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:17,400
with more money and make this fight. That's conjecture, it's speculation,

895
00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:17,679
but I.

896
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:20,159
Speaker 2: Don't think so, because right now Golden Boy is not

897
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:23,199
doing anything really with Turkey. There's certainly been a fracture

898
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:26,599
there in my opinion, for whatever the reasons are. And

899
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,840
so I think that the that the that the Virgil

900
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,639
team looks at it and they're like, well, Turkey or

901
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:36,239
whoever is paying all these guys a huge amount of money,

902
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,679
whether it's David Denavid's to go over to Saudi Arabia

903
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,880
or Noya in a way who had a huge payday

904
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,800
against a regular opponent, or what they're paying of course

905
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,480
Stevenson and Tiafimo to fight each other, and they're like, well,

906
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,679
we want it on that action also, uh, and Golden

907
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:52,760
Boy does not have that kind of money to spend

908
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,559
on the fight's. Turkey would, but he's not showed interest

909
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:59,360
in this fight once it wasn't happening under the schedule

910
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,159
that he wanted it to happen. And by the way,

911
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:03,800
when you're the buyer, whether you're Turkey Olseikh or your

912
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,920
Desne or you're whoever, you have the ability as the

913
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,159
buyer to put in your opinions about the way the

914
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:11,800
deal's going to go.

915
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 1: And though you're paying the freight, I totally get it.

916
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:16,159
Speaker 2: The thing about it is not, in my opinion, it's

917
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:17,920
not that the money is not there to make the fight.

918
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,559
It's a matter of what's the equal what's the distribution

919
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:22,119
of the money. In other words, if you have a

920
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:25,239
pie and you know that everybody's going to eat from it,

921
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:26,960
it's how much does Virgil get to eat from it?

922
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:30,039
And how much does does does from it?

923
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: One more because I just thought of this while we're talking.

924
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,719
This ain't the first rodeo with Oscar having problems with

925
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,639
his own fighter and trying to make them hold. This

926
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,440
is what caused the fracture with Canelo Alvarez ultimately led

927
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,639
to a divorce UH in legal proceedings because the judge's rule,

928
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,599
the arbitrator, whoever it was your deal with Canelos says

929
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,519
you're the one responsible for paying him. It's not you're

930
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:57,000
only responsible forgetting whatever you can get to pay him.

931
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,039
It says you're responsible for paying.

932
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:02,199
Speaker 2: Well, they're willing to, hey Virgil what he's owed uh

933
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,519
and even more than what his minimum is as I

934
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:06,679
understand it, but it's not as much more as they

935
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,199
want to make because they consider this a much more

936
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,440
dangerous fighting.

937
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,599
Speaker 1: I feel meter with a March twenty eighth date still

938
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:19,239
being ten weeks away, nine weeks away? Is it three

939
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,440
that it happens on that date? Is it a five?

940
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:23,199
Right now? Is put it on the number?

941
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,079
Speaker 2: I don't think the fight's happening on March twenty eighth,

942
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:28,679
so I put my on that date. I put it

943
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,760
as a zero. Maybe a wow. Now that's not to

944
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,400
say if they can get their shit together, perhaps it

945
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,840
ends up happening like in April or something like that.

946
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:40,159
But I don't believe it's happening in March. And maybe

947
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,639
me and by the March.

948
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: And if I was wrong, okay, and the March twenty

949
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,320
eight date was to fight in the United States, it's

950
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,199
gonna fight in Sey, Okay, okay, take it all right,

951
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:48,480
all right?

952
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 2: An aunt Turkey got nothing to do with that.

953
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,079
Speaker 1: Understand that. I just to know if, if potentially it

954
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:54,960
could be somewhere else.

955
00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 2: Is it that fight was set up like a T

956
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,239
mobile arena? Yeah, an MGM grand.

957
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, it's a fight that a lot

958
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,840
of the boxing fans won and would pay pay per

959
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:04,800
view prices for We.

960
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 2: Know, by the way, it's not it's not even a secret.

961
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,880
I mean, Mattroom Boxing had already I think a month

962
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,000
and a half ago or whenever, two meetings ago for

963
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:14,639
the Navada Commission, had already put in a request for

964
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:17,679
that date with the commission. It was for that fight.

965
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:20,599
All right, see if they can get their shirt.

966
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:21,119
Speaker 1: Let's see it.

967
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: Let's see what happens everything around.

968
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:25,159
Speaker 1: You put it at zero. You put it at zero

969
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,039
for March twenty eighth, maybe in April, maybe later, one,

970
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:32,960
maybe a one. Let's see. Okay. So next is Zoofa Boxing.

971
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,079
They've got an upcoming card on Paramount Plus. That's their

972
00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,360
new outlet for what they're doing. Their first card is

973
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,360
coming in a couple of weeks, and Dana White was

974
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,039
on an interview prominently with stephen A Smith talking about

975
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,360
that card. So fill in the audience. If they don't

976
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,039
know here, then we'll make a couple of comments.

977
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,199
Speaker 2: Go ahead. So this this was kind of a kind

978
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,400
of a weird thing, I guess. So stephen A has

979
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,199
his YouTube channel. Besides all the other things he does

980
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,800
on First Take and other things, he's involved in and

981
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,239
he had Dana White on his show just the other day,

982
00:45:03,679 --> 00:45:06,239
and it wasn't just about Zoofa boxing. This was a

983
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,519
wide ranging interview. I watched the whole thing. It was

984
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:10,679
like forty two minutes or something like that, and they

985
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,159
spoke about the upcoming UFC events. UFC has an event

986
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,639
at Team Overena which is the night after the ZUFO

987
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:18,960
boxing debut, which is on the twenty third. They have

988
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,360
a huge card. I don't know. I'm not digging to

989
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,000
the UFC, so I can't tell you the magnetude of

990
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,760
the show. But with that Team overene you gotta figure

991
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,360
it's a big.

992
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,159
Speaker 1: It's a big show. Yeah, I'm following up with the UFC.

993
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:29,960
People that I know know that it's a big show

994
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,079
to start off their relationship with Paramount Plus.

995
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:34,559
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so that's on the twenty fourth. And so anyway,

996
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:36,719
this interview was on Friday, and as they're going through

997
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,119
the topics, they're talking about the UFC stuff. They're talking

998
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:42,480
about UFC's big, a seven billion dollar plus deal that

999
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:46,199
they did with Paramount Plus. They talked about boxing, just

1000
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,760
Dana's entrance into boxing in general. They talked a little

1001
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,800
bit about the zoofa event. They spent a lot of

1002
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,079
time talking about Dana White's personal relationship with Donald Trump.

1003
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:58,079
In any event, the entirety of the parts spent on

1004
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,920
the debut card at a forty two minute interview was like,

1005
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:04,239
I don't know if it was like maybe it was

1006
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,119
two minutes if that, And he didn't even say the

1007
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:09,599
complete names. Now, I had heard that this fight was made,

1008
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,639
but didn't have it one hundred percent, so I didn't

1009
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:14,719
write it at the time. But he confirmed it obviously,

1010
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,440
he said the names Ocampo and Callum. He's talking about

1011
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:23,800
Callum Walsh, who is a fighter that we've seen. He

1012
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,159
fought on the undercard of Canelo and Crawford. He's tied

1013
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,719
to three sixty Promotions Tom Walfler, who has a deal

1014
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:33,719
with UFC Fight Pass, where the boxing events that Tom

1015
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,960
has promoted are on UFC Fight Pass. Dana has been

1016
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,039
quoted numerous times in the past about that he's a

1017
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,119
fan of Calum Walsh, so the fact that Callum Walsh

1018
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,000
is associated now with ZUFA Boxing is not at all surprised.

1019
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:49,760
Tom Waffler is working with ZUPA Boxing with his experience,

1020
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,639
so that's not a surprise, and they went and got

1021
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,960
Carlos Ocampo to be the opponent. Now, Carlos so Caampo

1022
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:58,039
is a regular kind of guy. I was at his

1023
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,559
fight back a few years ago when he lenge Errol

1024
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:02,440
Spence for the welterweight title.

1025
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,119
Speaker 1: Did you use the word challenged? The fight lasted like

1026
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:07,159
a minute and a half.

1027
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 2: He was the challenger. How about that? And this was

1028
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,440
in Firstco Texas. I went down to cover that fight. Yep.

1029
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,719
He got absolutely destroyed in the forests, and every other

1030
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,880
time he's fought a good opponent he's lost. Also, he

1031
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,920
got beat easily by Sebastian Fandora. That was when he

1032
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,920
was now at that point he moved up to jumiorm middleweight.

1033
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,320
That was not a very good performance either. So he

1034
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,239
also got knocked out by Tim Zoo that was one

1035
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,960
round and went around exactly. That was for the interim

1036
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,599
belt at Jinger middleweight. So now they've made this as

1037
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:42,039
the main event for their first Zooper boxing show. So

1038
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,760
I get that they like Callum Walsh. I'm not really

1039
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,719
sure why they did this main event. It's sort of indicative,

1040
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,039
at least at the moment, the kind of guys that

1041
00:47:52,039 --> 00:47:54,519
they're signing. But Dana did make the point in the interview,

1042
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:58,280
and I believe him. Obviously, if you come into boxing,

1043
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,199
you're limited to buy the available of what the boxes are.

1044
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,119
They're out there. So they've signed or doing business with

1045
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:06,159
the guys that they can work with, and they're going

1046
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,239
to probably have to do some of these types of shows.

1047
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:11,960
They may not be spectacular events. They haven't announced the

1048
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,280
full show yet, it's two weeks away. They've done zero

1049
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,280
promotion for this kickoff event. That's clearly by design because

1050
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,840
the people that work with DZUFA and UFC and Dana

1051
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,719
obviously know how to do pr They've done it for UFC.

1052
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,559
This is not an accident that they haven't done any promotion.

1053
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,519
So maybe they're purposely trying to start slow. But I

1054
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,679
can guarantee you that when major fighters become available on

1055
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,719
the market, they're gonna have their say and they're gonna

1056
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,119
be able to perhaps sign some of these guys, you know,

1057
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,280
whether like, for example, Bam Rodriguez is currently a free

1058
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,119
agent from Matchroom Boxing. I think they're still talking to

1059
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,599
them about it. But if would it surprise anybody if

1060
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,039
they made a run at a guy like Bam, If

1061
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,360
for no other reason to try to raise what what

1062
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,840
matchrom has to pay for. You know, everything they're gonna

1063
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,840
do is gonna be for a reason. So, you know,

1064
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,679
what's the old saying, Things aren't always what they see.

1065
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:04,519
So they may be starting out with Callum Walsh against

1066
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:07,360
Carloso Campo, which your average boxing fan that might know

1067
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,800
who these guys are would sort of look at to say,

1068
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:14,559
that's just nothing much kind of fight. But again it's

1069
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:17,000
it's fight one for what is a long term plan.

1070
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:20,000
So I reserve judgment until I see everything kind of

1071
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,639
come into the picture in a vacuum justice one fight. Ah,

1072
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:24,840
I could take it or leave it whatever.

1073
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:29,199
Speaker 1: There's nothing there, there's nothing there. Oh, Campo likely gets

1074
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,920
knocked out quickly in this well.

1075
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:34,199
Speaker 2: In the bigger but in the bigger picture, uh, they

1076
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,480
they have a big, bigger idea of what they're doing.

1077
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:40,599
I can guarantee you, I promise you that Dana White

1078
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:43,639
and Nick con and the people involved in this, they

1079
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,039
did not get into this business Turkey al shehk as well,

1080
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,880
who's funding this endeavor. They did not get into this

1081
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:54,599
to deliver regularly for the long term. Callum Walsh versus

1082
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:59,239
Carloso Campbo caliber main events of I guarantee.

1083
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: That what they desire to do with trying to do

1084
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:05,079
revolutionize this and have their own rankings and have their

1085
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:07,039
own belt and get everybody to come along. What they

1086
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,480
want to do and what they're actually going to be

1087
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:11,519
able to do, you know this are there are two

1088
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:12,519
different things.

1089
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 2: So, but they also say also have to I think

1090
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,480
start perhaps slightly slowly because remember the the the the

1091
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,840
the legislation they're trying to change has not yet been changed.

1092
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,440
They still have to go through the congressional process. That's

1093
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,920
probably still at least you know, a few weeks or

1094
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,519
a couple of months or however along away. That's the

1095
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:36,480
first thing. And uh, I also listened to what Dana

1096
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,280
said beyond just this particular ZUFA cart where he said, uh,

1097
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,679
he was talking about the sanctioning bodies, and I thought

1098
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:44,400
Stephen A did a very good interview with him in

1099
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,440
terms of the teps of questions he was asking and

1100
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:49,800
Dana White and I quote, I'm going to get rid

1101
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,119
of the sanctioning organizations. Let's see if he can try,

1102
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,360
and many have tried, and many offense. Right. So while

1103
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,280
I don't ever underestimate data, White about anything. Ut rid

1104
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,320
of the saying about is probably luck.

1105
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: Because the free market, and in places like Europe and

1106
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:10,079
Japan and Mexico and Australia, the free market that has

1107
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:10,760
nothing to do with what.

1108
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,599
Speaker 2: As I mentioned to you, I know the money is

1109
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:17,760
always important, but you still can't take away separated by

1110
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,400
thirty six years, Buster Douglas telling you telling Larry Merchan

1111
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,280
how much he wanted them to wrap the WBC belt

1112
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,440
around his waist, and Dalton Smith essentially crying because they

1113
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,760
gave him a WC belt and that since he was

1114
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:30,480
six years old.

1115
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,119
Speaker 1: There you go. One more point on this and we're

1116
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:35,320
obviously moving on. We spent some time on this, and

1117
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,079
this will get illuminated over and over and over again.

1118
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:42,800
When Dana White built the Empire with UFC, he saw

1119
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,440
an opportunity where nothing was organized on a national scale,

1120
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:51,079
much less a global scale, and organized it first and

1121
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,039
set up the system with his salary cap on how

1122
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:57,599
to pay the fighters for the better part of fifty

1123
00:51:57,679 --> 00:52:02,000
years of modern boxing. Lucrat is of multi multi tens

1124
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,920
of millions of dollars to the winners. The system has

1125
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,920
already been set up, and it's set up globally everywhere

1126
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,079
for the free market for these guys to go and

1127
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:13,280
fight in different places. He's not setting up something to

1128
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,079
even compete with that right now, not in the next year.

1129
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,639
Speaker 2: But that's in the short term. But remember, if you

1130
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:22,440
take a look at what's going on, Zoofa has this

1131
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,440
big deal with Paramount. They're the only American promoter with

1132
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,119
a real deal. We all know that Top Rank has

1133
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,559
no deal at the moment. I just told you about

1134
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,599
my thoughts on Golden Boy. I'm not sure they haven't

1135
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,559
presently with his own perhaps it will be renewed, and

1136
00:52:36,599 --> 00:52:41,159
the only other major American promoter would be TGB SLASH PBC,

1137
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:46,280
who are on Prime Video. But everybody knows poradically that's

1138
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,679
it's not a right speed driven deal. It's large, and

1139
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:54,119
they aren't fighting regularly enough half a dozen shows here,

1140
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:57,280
which is not enough to sustain. So if they choke

1141
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,679
off those outlets and they become the ones with the

1142
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,880
money that have a real rights fee, then they'll probably

1143
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,159
attract some of the better fighters when they become for agents.

1144
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,039
And keep in mind, if those other entities I mentioned

1145
00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:12,960
can't make it without having without they don't have rights deals.

1146
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,119
A lot of their top fighters are gonna come out

1147
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:17,079
of contract or they're gonna have to get released because

1148
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:19,280
they won't be able to keep up with their obligations.

1149
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,559
Speaker 1: All good points on the high finance. Stay tuned. None

1150
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,280
of it will be decided between now and like Tuesday.

1151
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: All right.

1152
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,639
Speaker 1: Uh, you have found out some intel on Zerto Ramirez

1153
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,719
because it's there's been some back and forth about whether

1154
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,480
coming off shoulder surgery he would have a fight or

1155
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:40,920
not and then fight David Benavitez in May for the

1156
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,880
cruiserweight unification fight Cinco Demio weekend. What's the latest, sir.

1157
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,320
Speaker 2: So the latest is Zerto, who has two of the

1158
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,280
cruiserweight titles. The discussion was that he was going to

1159
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,719
probably come back and fight in interim slash tune up, you know,

1160
00:53:57,039 --> 00:53:59,880
shake off the surgery. See how I'm doing type of situation.

1161
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,159
On the card that Golden Boy is promoting on January sixteenth,

1162
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:06,880
which is headlined by Alexis Rocha in the rematch against

1163
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,360
Raoul Kurio. It always sort of seemed over the last

1164
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,920
few weeks that was gonna probably be unlikely. So while

1165
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,119
it doesn't come as a surprise, I did speak to

1166
00:54:15,199 --> 00:54:17,920
Eric Gomes from Goldenway, who said, in fact, he is

1167
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,840
not fighting on that date. The quote was, he obviously

1168
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,239
is not fighting next week. He has decided to go

1169
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,840
straight to the Benavidias fight. They have a deal already

1170
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,800
done for that fight to be May second in Las Vegas,

1171
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and so that will be the fight. And one thing

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that I find interesting is even though okay, the fight

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doesn't get announced yet, because it's obviously still several months away,

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it's always been sort of phrase to me, it's gonna

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be some type of joint event between Golden Boy and PBC.

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Obviously they have Golden Boy as the promoter for Ramirez

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and PBC are the ones that are involved with David Benavide's,

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but nobody's saying it's the Zone. It's a pretty good

1179
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,719
chance that winds up, as if the Zone and then

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don't make a new deal, it'll wind up being a

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Prime Video event. Because whatever you think about whatever the

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minutia is of the PBC and Prime Video agreement, they

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still have the agreement in place, and they're still doing

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pay per view events with the backing of Prime Video.

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So regardless of what the outlet is and regardless of

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who's showing who's not. I just know that zerdo Overmeirez

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against David Benavidez is a very interesting fight and I

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look forward to seeing it. And I'm actually glad that

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zerdo Ameres did not take a town enough fight, because

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that's a recipe for disaster. Let's just get the big fight,

1191
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you know, he doesn't. He won't even have been out

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of the ring for a year when he comes back

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in May. It'll be eleven months. Totally normal, unfortunately in

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00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,320
this day and age. And uh, let's see the big winner.

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Speaker 1: All right. And one more quick note here too, as

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it relates to the the IBF and Lewis Crocker and

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the proposed fight that he was. He looking to have

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another optional fight and to fight Patty Donovan, right or

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not necessarily, but it's not gonna happen. Apparently No.

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Speaker 2: Crocker defeated Paddy Donovan in their rematch to win the title,

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so coming off of that victory, he wanted his first

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defense to be a different, to be a fight, not

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to mandatory something else. So and the reason why I

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00:56:10,639 --> 00:56:13,679
find this interesting is because match Room Boxing had already

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made a deal. It was done pending the IBF's approval.

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Because they knew the mandatory was due, but they thought

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they could go to the IBF pay the twenty thousand

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00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,679
dollars fee non refundable fee to get them to look

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00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:30,239
at it and to give them the exception. They had

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a deal done for him to have a rematch with

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00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,159
ConA Walker was going to be April eighteenth or April

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twenty fifth in Belfast, which is Lewis, Crocker's hometown. Would

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00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,559
have been a big time fight for them, would add

1214
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:43,400
a big crowd. And the IBF took a look at it,

1215
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:46,239
and I got a copy of the letter and they said,

1216
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,440
well they took the twenty grand which is non refundable.

1217
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,400
It's quite a racket, the IBF doing IBF things. And

1218
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,119
they said, no, take a hike. We're going to order

1219
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:56,559
the mandatory, which is not due yet, but it's about

1220
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,199
to become due on the thirteenth. So whatever the date,

1221
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:00,760
what's today's David, We're taking.

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Speaker 1: This so manator.

1223
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 2: The mandatory becomes due on Tuesday, at which point the

1224
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,679
IBF will send the letter and say you are here

1225
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:13,039
by you know, team Crocker and team Liam Paro are

1226
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:14,519
due to start negotiating.

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00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:14,679
Speaker 1: Now.

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00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,519
Speaker 2: The reason why this is interesting is because Paro was

1229
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:22,400
supposed to fight on the sixteenth in Australia. His opponent

1230
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,079
got ill, Paddy Donovan and pulled out of the fight. Now,

1231
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,760
the way the IBF works is if they can arrange

1232
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,599
an eliminator within the timeframe, they'll go forward and do

1233
00:57:31,639 --> 00:57:34,119
the eliminator. But when the clock runs out and there

1234
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:37,079
hasn't been an elimination fight that has taken place, the

1235
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:40,159
guy that's the highest rated guy automatically becomes the mandatory.

1236
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,960
So because Donovan pulled out and there's not enough time

1237
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,599
to make a new eliminator, the clock is going to

1238
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:49,679
run out on Tuesday, and Paro's gonna get the mandatory spot.

1239
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,239
I know it's fucked up, but it doesn't make a

1240
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:52,920
lot of sense. I'm just telling you. I'm the guy

1241
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,559
that plays the game of Monopoly and actually reads the

1242
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:58,320
fucking box top for the directions. Okay, so I'm just

1243
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,119
telling you.

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00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,039
Speaker 1: To endlessly about that, and I get that. But then

1245
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,880
these organizations also do step aside deals and don't follow

1246
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,440
their own rules.

1247
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,199
Speaker 2: But again, do whatever this is going to happen on

1248
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:10,639
the thirteenth, They're going to send a letter and they're

1249
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:13,760
going to order Crocker to fight Liam Paro, and so

1250
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,000
he's not going to get the big Belfast fight that

1251
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:19,480
they hope to make, which frankly would have been a

1252
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,400
bigger money fight probably for everybody involved than Paro at

1253
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,320
least coming up and we shall see. So I thought

1254
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,119
it was interesting. It just shows you the way that

1255
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:31,960
the minutia of the way the organizations operate, where they

1256
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,000
just basically once the illness occurred, they can just run

1257
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,599
the clock out and he's gonna have to fight Paro.

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00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: Okay, stay tuned for that. With that, I believe that's

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a full recap podh a whole lot more TJ. Yeah, well,

1260
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,440
we gave about all that we could give here for

1261
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:51,920
this edition. We look forward to January progressing. Look forward

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00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,280
to you feeling better again. They need to follow subscribe

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Speaker 2: Don't we good?

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Speaker 1: We're ready for the week.

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Speaker 2: I am ready for the week, my friend.

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Speaker 1: We love it. There goes big Dan Rayphiel. We thank

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you for being with us as we recapped all the action.

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We'll be back later in the week with a preview

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of the upcoming action this weekend. Another fight news as well.

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You've been with us on the Fight Freak to Night

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