Speaker 1: Weird things, weird, weird, weird.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Bledsoe Said So everybody tonight. We are joined
Speaker 2: by my brother, Chris Bledsoe Junior. It's been a while,
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Speaker 2: how you feeling, JR?
Speaker 3: Terrific?
Speaker 2: Nice? I would have been confused if you if it
Speaker 2: was any different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, usually pretty happy, go lucky. But for all the
Speaker 3: people listening, I've been remodeling Ryan's house again. Yeah, doing
Speaker 3: some stuff and preparations. And it's been a long day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been it's been a long time.
Speaker 3: But I'm good. Yeah, I'm hyped. You guys off all
Speaker 3: my toys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have some toys.
Speaker 3: I brought my beauty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's her name?
Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't gotten that far yet. I haven't even
Speaker 3: thought the namer. Why don't we Why don't we ask
Speaker 3: the people who watch the show? What the namer?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ridiculous. Well yeah, that's that's a strong contender.
Speaker 2: I see the name Virtue on the hopper there. That's
Speaker 2: pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a Virtue Spire loader. Yeah, the Virtue Spire five.
Speaker 3: It's like the newest gen loader. But it's actually really cool.
Speaker 3: It's all electric. You have a little button there to
Speaker 3: turn it on and it hears the vibrations from what
Speaker 3: I understand, and when the gun shoots it, hears it,
Speaker 3: it feels it, and it sees it, and it knows
Speaker 3: how many how fast to spin to feed the ball
Speaker 3: ten point five balls per second.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's what it's. You've been really into paintball lately.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice. Yeah, And I kind of do that with hobbies.
Speaker 3: I'm constantly back and forth between several different hobbies that
Speaker 3: I like to do, bank ball, magic, the gathering, flying
Speaker 3: model airplanes, fishing. I just kind of bounce back and
Speaker 3: forth to them constantly. Yeah, this year, I'm doing paintball.
Speaker 3: Who knows, next year I might be flying freaking kites.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome, I'll do it. I haven't played paintball in
Speaker 2: a minute. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun, man. That's how I get
Speaker 3: closer to God. Yeah, kind of. You know, this is
Speaker 3: my happy place. That's where I meditate. It's where I
Speaker 3: forget about the rest of the world and all my
Speaker 3: issues that I have. I can just you know, focusing
Speaker 3: on what I love and be happy and you know,
Speaker 3: connect with other people, my friends. Yeah. I have events
Speaker 3: where I will get you know, friends out. Once a
Speaker 3: month every we do the last Sunday of every month,
Speaker 3: me and several of my friends started it, and now
Speaker 3: there's like a whole bunch of them that you know,
Speaker 3: they don't all come this at the same times. It
Speaker 3: might be five this week or this month and you know,
Speaker 3: twenty the next. You just never know who's gonna show up.
Speaker 3: But we have some pretty cool, uh, some pretty cool
Speaker 3: days at the at the field.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, dude. I've been watching your videos. It looks
Speaker 2: really fun.
Speaker 3: It is, man, it really is what makes me happy.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Man, I have a lot of respect for that.
Speaker 2: I I I can't remember the last time I played paintball.
Speaker 2: I think it was probably like fifteen years ago. So
Speaker 2: I'm not really much into you know, super physical hort.
Speaker 3: You got to have something to keep your your mind busy,
Speaker 3: you know, and your hands occupied. If you don't have
Speaker 3: something you enjoy doing outside of work and family and
Speaker 3: all that. If you don't have something you enjoy, what's
Speaker 3: the purpose. Yeah, you know, it's not worth it working
Speaker 3: all the time and just doing everything you're expected to
Speaker 3: do all the time without some fun. You got to
Speaker 3: enjoy your life. You got one. But you know, if
Speaker 3: you do things that you enjoy, like paintball and and
Speaker 3: and you really truly enjoy it. You know, you're you'll
Speaker 3: be a happier person in the end. If you live
Speaker 3: upset and always negative and griping at people and you
Speaker 3: don't do anything you love. You just work, work, work, work,
Speaker 3: work all the time. That's no way to live, right,
Speaker 3: burn out. Yeah, it is a lot of people live
Speaker 3: like that, and it's sad. It's sad to see it.
Speaker 3: People stay stuck on their phones and stuff. You know,
Speaker 3: they don't really get out and do stuff the way
Speaker 3: they used to. And we got to get back to that, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I wish, man, I wish. I have hope for some
Speaker 2: sort of future where we can do a lot more
Speaker 2: play and a lot less work. But who knows. But
Speaker 2: in other news, you've been to a lot of conferences
Speaker 2: this year. Huh yep, tell me.
Speaker 3: About into uh something like five of them? Yeah, or so,
Speaker 3: I don't know, is that is that accurate? Four or
Speaker 3: five in the last since May? Yeah, quite a few.
Speaker 2: I think four done?
Speaker 3: Done a lot?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was that like?
Speaker 3: Done a lot? It was great, It was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I'm still trying to get used to talking to people
Speaker 3: in the public and getting on stage I did that
Speaker 3: at Contact in the desert. It was mind boggling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 3: I can get out, I can get on the paintball
Speaker 3: field and and and be shot at, and I'm scared
Speaker 3: to death to stand on a stage and talking for
Speaker 3: a couple of people. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think you handled it really well, man, and
Speaker 2: I really wanted to kind of talk about that, And
Speaker 2: especially in the last year, there's been a lot of
Speaker 2: growth happening where you go from not really wanting to
Speaker 2: talk about any of this kind of stuff at all
Speaker 2: around anybody, to sometimes sort of finding yourself on stage
Speaker 2: in front of a few hundred people and you had
Speaker 2: no clue We're even going to be there. I'm just curious, like,
Speaker 2: what's you know, dude?
Speaker 3: My Really though my younger self would I wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If I had, you know, told my younger self that
Speaker 3: I'd be on a stage talking about UFOs, that I
Speaker 3: would have thought that I was crazy, right, no freaking away,
Speaker 3: that's my future. It took me a long time to
Speaker 3: even accept it, you know, to be okay with it
Speaker 3: that this is who I am, this is who I'm
Speaker 3: supposed to be. I ran from it I hid for
Speaker 3: I don't know, sixteen years, right, something like that. For
Speaker 3: a long time. Didn't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 3: I hated it, literally. I hated UFOs or aliens or angels,
Speaker 3: any of it the topic period. Hated it because I
Speaker 3: would get anxiety that probably stemmed from the abuse that
Speaker 3: I got from family. Yeah, you know, and it is
Speaker 3: kind of like a form of abuse. If i'm I'm
Speaker 3: probably wrong, and I'm sure people wouldn't see it that way,
Speaker 3: but it's a religious abuse almost, you know. They because
Speaker 3: of something I saw. I was this evil, horrible human
Speaker 3: being for coming back from the river. I went fishing
Speaker 3: and I saw something. I came home from fishing and
Speaker 3: spoke about what I saw, And now I'm this horrible,
Speaker 3: evil person that's been outcasted from the family that I
Speaker 3: looked up to. I loved all of them. My grandma's,
Speaker 3: both of them, my grandpa, God rest his soul.
Speaker 2: Everybody know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mother, my aunt's, my uncle's, my favorite ones.
Speaker 3: They all of them, Almost all of them told me
Speaker 3: that I was a liar, that I was on drugs,
Speaker 3: or that I was wrong or evil or messing with
Speaker 3: Satan or demons, And in my mind, I just knew
Speaker 3: the whole time that they were wrong. I knew what
Speaker 3: I saw. I know that I'm not crazy, and really
Speaker 3: the way that I felt at it as a seventeen
Speaker 3: year old boy, I felt like that I felt like
Speaker 3: the preacher knew everything. I felt like I could trust him.
Speaker 3: I believe. I went to his Sunday preachings every year
Speaker 3: of my life, for all of my until I was,
Speaker 3: you know, seventeen or eighteen. Every single Sunday I went.
Speaker 3: I looked up to the man I was a little baby,
Speaker 3: thinking he just he knew it all, he had all
Speaker 3: the answers. And I realized when I saw something that
Speaker 3: he told me was demonic, and I knew in my
Speaker 3: heart that I wasn't worshiping demons or doing witchcraft or whatever.
Speaker 3: I knew that man may not actually know all of
Speaker 3: what I thought he did. He didn't, really he didn't.
Speaker 3: He wasn't the person I thought he was, you know,
Speaker 3: and that hurt and my family, you know, the ones
Speaker 3: that I looked up to and loved. I realized that
Speaker 3: they weren't what I thought. They weren't this loving, kind
Speaker 3: family that I expected that I grew up thinking they were.
Speaker 3: Though they were hateful and judgmental, and still to this
Speaker 3: day tell me, you know, and my dad especially, I
Speaker 3: feel so sorry for him. People don't see it, but
Speaker 3: he's badgered to death by our family still to this day.
Speaker 3: And it's sad, dude. But I hated the topic UFO
Speaker 3: is because of all that. Yeah, the trauma just yeah,
Speaker 3: well and besides all that, it was traumatizing sing it.
Speaker 3: Seeing it was scary. You know, it fucks your whole
Speaker 3: world up. Excuse my language. You know, a little boy
Speaker 3: or a child, any anybody that doesn't know anything about
Speaker 3: this stuff. You know, they've lived their happy, go lucky
Speaker 3: life doing what they do Monday through fucking Sunday. They
Speaker 3: do their normal little routine, and then all of a sudden, bam,
Speaker 3: they're shocked with this revelation, you know, or this new
Speaker 3: knowledge that they didn't expect to have that contradicts their
Speaker 3: whole way of living, right, because it kind of does
Speaker 3: a great way to put it, yeah, yeah, and it
Speaker 3: just it shocks you internally. It changes your soul. I
Speaker 3: would go so far as to say that, and because
Speaker 3: it did, it did for me. It changed my entire
Speaker 3: outlook on everything, everything, especially my family and especially the Church.
Speaker 3: I hate to say that because I'm a I'm a Christian.
Speaker 3: I just got baptized again on last Sunday. I do.
Speaker 3: I love the church, but I'm conflicted by it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I understand, understand. The Church has great teachings. Jesus was
Speaker 3: a real man. God existed. God exists, right, we know that.
Speaker 3: But I don't think that they have it all figured
Speaker 3: out the way they think because I am not an
Speaker 3: evil person.
Speaker 4: I have a good heart.
Speaker 3: I take care of my family, and I know that
Speaker 3: I don't do witchcraft. I don't. I don't do evil stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm not an evil person. I play paintball. Does that
Speaker 3: make me evil? Yeah? No, I'm seeing these freaking I'm
Speaker 3: not saying yes. Yeah, I'm just automatic. Does that make
Speaker 3: me an evil person? Does it mean that I How
Speaker 3: did I summon these demons? You know? These are questions.
Speaker 4: I asked myself.
Speaker 3: If the Church is telling me their demons, then I
Speaker 3: had to have summoned them. Why are they here? Right?
Speaker 3: So where's my answer? I need a answer? The Church
Speaker 3: can't provide it. So should I believe them? Should I
Speaker 3: go every Sunday and and dedicate that hour of my
Speaker 3: life every Sunday to a man who's calling me evil
Speaker 3: and has no idea what I'm talking about. He doesn't
Speaker 3: know it exists.
Speaker 4: I saw it.
Speaker 3: It's real, but he doesn't know anything about it, and
Speaker 3: what he's telling me it doesn't seem right. So I've
Speaker 3: been conflicted with that my whole freaking life. And when
Speaker 3: I was younger, it bothered me bad. You know it
Speaker 3: bothers you when you're when you're a devout Christian. It
Speaker 3: just likes to turn my whole world upside down. I
Speaker 3: don't know what to believe. I'm not the smartest person
Speaker 3: on the planet. You know. I'm not a I'm not
Speaker 3: a scholar. I don't know enough about the Bible. I
Speaker 3: was very conflicted. I didn't know which way to go.
Speaker 3: Should I believe in it? Should I not? You know?
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this then, because I think
Speaker 3: that's great. I do believe in it, though I want
Speaker 3: to set that straight. I do believe in the Bible. Right.
Speaker 3: You don't have to, the viewer doesn't have to. I
Speaker 3: believe in the teachings I was taught, but to a degree. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but there's a degree.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with what you're saying. All you're saying,
Speaker 2: is the community that you were around in your youth? Uh,
Speaker 2: you begin to question things?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to word the way that I
Speaker 3: see things. So I probably sound like a bumbling idiot
Speaker 3: here on the microphone. But I have this feeling and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to express it to all these people that
Speaker 3: I don't know and I never spoken to. I don't
Speaker 3: know how they see things. I don't know how to
Speaker 3: word the way that I that I feel it.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, No, you don't sound like sound like
Speaker 2: a dumb ass, not at all, not at all. That's
Speaker 2: why it's great. It's absolutely great.
Speaker 3: The religious thing plagued me for a long time. You know,
Speaker 3: the I saw demons, I'm a demon worshiper. It's evil.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think I'm evil.
Speaker 2: Well let's make that, let's make that clear. You didn't
Speaker 2: see demons.
Speaker 3: No, of course I did.
Speaker 2: It's what they were telling, That's what they told me. Yes,
Speaker 2: and they still I just wanted to make that clear. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they still tell yeah, and they still say that, And.
Speaker 3: Because of that, that's what messed me up, right, and
Speaker 3: they'll they'll never see it that way. It's only you know,
Speaker 3: white and black. For them, it's evil. You're being deceived.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that simple. If I, how come
Speaker 3: when I pray to Jesus an orb of light appears?
Speaker 3: Should I just stop praying? Right? Because that's what the
Speaker 3: church is telling me, you know. I I can say,
Speaker 3: I can walk out in the backyard and just pray
Speaker 3: or ask and it appears an orb. And I was
Speaker 3: stuttering because I didn't know if I want to say
Speaker 3: this or not. But I have a buddy who was
Speaker 3: just in Arizona. I have the text. I can show you.
Speaker 3: Him and some friends. We're in Sedona, Arizona, skywatching. The
Speaker 3: guy works for PlayStation. He's a friend of mine. He
Speaker 3: lives in the United Kingdom. That's cool.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Mark. Yes, and PlayStation and place I love.
Speaker 4: I love mine.
Speaker 3: I love PlayStation. It's amazing. One of the best inventions
Speaker 3: of all time.
Speaker 4: Actually.
Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, Mike, Mark, Mark and some friends were
Speaker 3: skywatching and Sedona, Arizona, and he texted me. It was
Speaker 3: like twelve thirty and he was like, yeah, we're out
Speaker 3: here skywatching. We haven't seen anything. And I said, I'll
Speaker 3: put some energy out there or something. Like that, and
Speaker 3: I thought about it and I realized, you know that
Speaker 3: I've seen Dad do it before. Like the History Channel,
Speaker 3: they did this whole what did they call it, the
Speaker 3: quantum entanglement thing. It was like a scientific experiment that
Speaker 3: they were working on where Dad would say a prayer
Speaker 3: and you can crate if I'm wrong, that's it's important,
Speaker 3: that's wrong. But he would say a prayer, ID you know,
Speaker 3: please show up, come and see us whatever whatever he does.
Speaker 3: And somebody was in Charlotte right while we were in Fayetteville,
Speaker 3: and at the precise moment when Dad would say it,
Speaker 3: an orb would appear in front of us here and
Speaker 3: there in Fayetteville, and at the same time in the
Speaker 3: same position, and blah blah blah. Also would happened in Charlotte.
Speaker 3: So I thought, what what if I could do this
Speaker 3: with Mark and Sedona. You know, Dad does it, I
Speaker 3: should be able to do it too. So I tried
Speaker 3: it and I sent it to him in text, I
Speaker 3: am going to say a prayer for you. I did
Speaker 3: it at twelve thirty six. He said they're here, and
Speaker 3: he sent me videos and all. So him and a
Speaker 3: whole group of people, I guess they were all saying
Speaker 3: a prayer too, because I texted him I'm going to
Speaker 3: say a prayer, so I kind of figured that if
Speaker 3: I said that that he might also so say one.
Speaker 3: You know, I hope I'm not saying too much here
Speaker 3: on this microphone.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. Okay, I'm listening.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, anyway, we both ended up saying the prayer,
Speaker 3: and I thought that you know where there's many, will
Speaker 3: you know where many are gathered or whatnot, that they will. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Dad is always telling us, that's what he tells us.
Speaker 2: He's telling us that's what it means, a tour more
Speaker 2: gathered in my name there I will be among them.
Speaker 2: He's always saying, you know, the more of us around
Speaker 2: trying to see orbs and everything. That's why the masky
Speaker 2: watches are always a prayer.
Speaker 3: And they appeared for him in Sedona, Arizona, and I
Speaker 3: can show you. I'll show you the videos and the
Speaker 3: text and all. I mean, whether it actually happened because
Speaker 3: of the prayer I said, or the prayer he said,
Speaker 3: or was it just I don't know, but it happened right,
Speaker 3: and saying a freaking prayer brought it. I want a demon.
Speaker 3: It was a light, a ball of light. Demons should
Speaker 3: be appearing as a ball of white.
Speaker 2: Right when you're praying.
Speaker 3: Job, when you pray to God, people would say that
Speaker 3: Satan is you know.
Speaker 4: White or whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well that's misconstrued. It also says, and again
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not necessarily a fundamental Christian, but I
Speaker 2: grew up reading the same books, so I know a
Speaker 2: few passages from it. And you know, again, there is
Speaker 2: a lot of truth in that. I'm not saying the
Speaker 2: Bible is wrong. I'm just saying there's more to it.
Speaker 2: I personally would say, I'm a gnostic Christian. You know
Speaker 2: there's more to it. But there is like one little
Speaker 2: passage in there. No, but there's one little passage in
Speaker 2: there that says something like Satan can appear as a
Speaker 2: deceiving angel of light. And people are so fooled because then, okay, well,
Speaker 2: if you believe the whole Bible is literally true, there's
Speaker 2: another passage that says, you know, test spirits in the
Speaker 2: name of Jesus. So you're using that argument, but you're
Speaker 2: not even you know, so according to your belief talking
Speaker 2: about the person that says that, right, according to your belief,
Speaker 2: it says in the Bible that there's this magical little
Speaker 2: phrase that you can say to any spirit that appears,
Speaker 2: and it's basically, you say the name Jesus, and if
Speaker 2: it's evil, it'll go away. Right. Well, why is it
Speaker 2: that when you say the name of Jesus or you
Speaker 2: say that in God, these orders are just appearing, appearing, appearing, appearing,
Speaker 2: appearing weird. You're saying, I'm the dark one. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know exactly. I'm just following your back.
Speaker 3: Actually, you know right here, Yeah, that was my thing.
Speaker 3: There's more to it, Yeah, there's definitely more to it.
Speaker 3: I think that Christianity isn't wrong or bad, but people
Speaker 3: are right, the people, the people translating it over time,
Speaker 3: and the people still to this day translating because that's
Speaker 3: what a preacher does. He just translates his way that
Speaker 3: he sees it. He reads it and interprets that passage
Speaker 3: the way he saw it, and then spills it out
Speaker 3: to you at church. Right, And you know, not every
Speaker 3: one of them preachers has it all figured out for sure.
Speaker 2: I remember that well, guys, But I remember the shock
Speaker 2: as a kid of going through the exact same thing,
Speaker 2: except I was thirteen and I just remember that feeling
Speaker 2: of hearing how you were treated and how dad was
Speaker 2: treated and it bothered you. Yeah, of course it bothered me.
Speaker 2: And I had the same kind of thoughts of like, well,
Speaker 2: they don't know everything I thought they did, and there's
Speaker 2: there's a yeah, those of course I did, and I
Speaker 2: had these. I had the same thoughts with reading the
Speaker 2: Bible itself, like even as a thirteen year old kid,
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a minute, but I thought, everything I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to know about the universe is exactly within the
Speaker 2: pages of this book. Why are we like hitting the
Speaker 2: limit here? And there's more and there's things happening that
Speaker 2: aren't necessarily described in this and they have no clue
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. So clearly all the answers can't
Speaker 2: only be in these sixty six books.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: At a very young age, I started questioning, there's got
Speaker 2: to be more to the truth than only the Bible.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that it's wrong, right, it's.
Speaker 3: Twisted, yeah, Or maybe they don't have all the pieces
Speaker 3: of the puzzle exactly. It's like trying to solve a
Speaker 3: twenty thousand piece puzzle with a thousand pieces.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's going to be a little hard, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I really hate to talk bad about any
Speaker 3: of my family. I'm still still choose to have a
Speaker 3: relationship with those people, even though they're judgmental towards me.
Speaker 3: Still to this day, sometimes they say hateful things, you know,
Speaker 3: talk bad about us on Facebook and in front of everybody,
Speaker 3: and especially behind our backs to the rest of the family.
Speaker 3: But I still choose to have a relationship with them
Speaker 3: because I love them. I just manage my expectations and
Speaker 3: choose not to talk about UFOs around them, right, or
Speaker 3: spirits or.
Speaker 2: Whatever or anything extra anything.
Speaker 3: But they are, you know, probably a good reason, a
Speaker 3: good part of why I stayed absent for sixteen years,
Speaker 3: I would say, And I would have so much anxiety.
Speaker 3: I could not sit here and look you in the
Speaker 3: face and talk to you about UFOs. It's hard to
Speaker 3: even put into words. It would literally feel like my
Speaker 3: brain is going to explode or my chest, and all
Speaker 3: I could do is cuss, you know, and run. Yeah,
Speaker 3: That's what I would do. I would get angry and
Speaker 3: yell and fuss and run and disappear for three months
Speaker 3: at a time, with no text, no hey here, I
Speaker 3: am just want to let y'all know, because I didn't care.
Speaker 3: I was gone, right. There was times that nobody knows this,
Speaker 3: but I chose to live. This is gonna sound crazy,
Speaker 3: but I would rather live homeless at the beach than
Speaker 3: live in a household where I had to hear all
Speaker 3: that and be battered and talk down to. And even
Speaker 3: my own mother didn't believe me. She didn't believe me
Speaker 3: until like two years later or longer, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I had surgery on my dang testicles right when I
Speaker 3: was nineteen. They said I'd never have kids, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I remember. It was because I was on a bunch
Speaker 3: of medication that the doctors had doped me up to
Speaker 3: do the surgery on me. On the car ride home,
Speaker 3: I was freaking out because of the tail lights of
Speaker 3: this transfer truck. There were big red, tall lights, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh she was. I don't remember it,
Speaker 3: but she would. She told me the story. I was
Speaker 3: like in my seat, freaking out, like whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: Whoa.
Speaker 3: Said the eyes And she said she realized at that moment,
Speaker 3: maybe he actually did see something. Maybe he's not lying.
Speaker 4: About this for some reason.
Speaker 2: Back then she told me that same thing, like when
Speaker 2: that happened really, Yeah, so I would have just told
Speaker 2: me since then.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for for the longest time, she didn't believe me,
Speaker 3: and for those two years or so, were nobody in
Speaker 3: my household. I felt like nobody in my household believed
Speaker 3: me except for my father, and he wouldn't stop talking
Speaker 3: about it. And I didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: I didn't, you know. I didn't want to be looked
Speaker 3: at as a liar, and I didn't want to talk
Speaker 3: about it, you know. But I still cared that they
Speaker 3: didn't believe me. You know, I still cared that even
Speaker 3: though didn't want to talk about it. I guess it's
Speaker 3: because everybody was like, you know, you're a fucking liar
Speaker 3: or this or that that I that I ran, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: Dude, you were a child, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: I legit lived homeless for weeks or a month one
Speaker 3: time on purpose. I had a house, I had a bed,
Speaker 3: I had a place to live. But I would rather
Speaker 3: had lived out on the beach with no clothes, no
Speaker 3: nothing to wear, the same shirt for like two or
Speaker 3: three weeks, then live at home where I had to
Speaker 3: deal with that. And I did that a lot. That
Speaker 3: that was just one specific time, I lived at this
Speaker 3: uh in Jacksonville, at the beach, and I lived there
Speaker 3: for a while homeless.
Speaker 2: California.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to California. I went to Calamuzoo. I
Speaker 3: went all over, dude. I went everywhere, and I lived.
Speaker 3: I went through some hard times that you know, the
Speaker 3: majority of people they.
Speaker 4: Don't know about.
Speaker 3: But it was all my doing. You know. I wanted
Speaker 3: to be that way. I didn't want to be home.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to be around family. I didn't want
Speaker 3: to I wanted to.
Speaker 4: Be done with everything. You know, I hated everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's.
Speaker 3: At one time, we had a good reputation, a great
Speaker 3: one when I was younger. You know, I was an
Speaker 3: adult when when all this happened.
Speaker 4: Pretty much, I was seventeen.
Speaker 3: I grew up working the cruise, Dad's cruise and working
Speaker 3: under this freaking empire you know we had. We were
Speaker 3: building one hundred houses a year. I was an adult
Speaker 3: pretty much, right, So I had this amazing reputation. I
Speaker 3: had fourteen four wheelers and dirt bikes, and and a
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars RV and model airplanes twenty of them,
Speaker 3: and and you know everything. I had it all, and
Speaker 3: then to go from that to you know, a wonderful
Speaker 3: reputation everything I wanted to having nothing all in a
Speaker 3: year or two and seeing freaking UFOs and everybody, you know,
Speaker 3: being going from being like the fucking bleds, because at
Speaker 3: one time that meant something in favor of North Carolina
Speaker 3: when I was coming up. If you were a blood
Speaker 3: so like, that was something. Dude, you're you run the
Speaker 3: freaking we built all the houses, We were big time,
Speaker 3: we kind of were, you know. And then to go
Speaker 3: from all that to like the lowest being on earth
Speaker 3: that everybody that that I looked up to or looked
Speaker 3: up to me, you know, look down on that shit
Speaker 3: was crushing.
Speaker 2: It's traumatizing. Yeah, it doesn't even describe it. The word
Speaker 2: traumatizing doesn't even I went.
Speaker 3: From having all that to choosing to live homeless because I.
Speaker 4: Didn't want to be around it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sire, if you even knew any of that, well,
Speaker 3: he is a homeless thing. I did did.
Speaker 2: These are all things of course I did. I've lived
Speaker 2: in the same house that you weren't in for months
Speaker 2: at a time.
Speaker 3: I didn't exactly tell everybody what I was doing either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I always knew later when they would have
Speaker 2: to go and get you because you were ready to
Speaker 2: come home. You know, I was aware of things manimally.
Speaker 2: These are all things that I've implicitly known that you've
Speaker 2: not necessarily said out loud for the first time. So
Speaker 2: thank you. But you know, let's shift gears for a
Speaker 2: moment because and we can go on and on and
Speaker 2: on about that all you'd like, but I have I
Speaker 2: have a question. Why do you think that it would
Speaker 2: go down this way? Do you think that there's and
Speaker 2: I'm seriously asking, I want to know what you believe.
Speaker 3: Well, I think now why what I actually believe is
Speaker 3: I think it had to happen that way. I think
Speaker 3: that that trauma is effed up as it is, and
Speaker 3: and all that that I went through was necessary. I
Speaker 3: think I had to go through all that to be
Speaker 3: the happy, go lucky, happy person that I am today.
Speaker 3: I feel like when you've gone through so fucking much
Speaker 3: that you're at your breaking point, you know, like you
Speaker 3: just can't go through anymore. You've been through it all,
Speaker 3: you went through the freaking Ringer. I think that's what
Speaker 3: makes a happy person. You know, I could be wrong,
Speaker 3: but that's kind of how it was for me, Like
Speaker 3: I can enjoy just normal, everyday life and do almost
Speaker 3: nothing and I and I'm happy with that because I
Speaker 3: went from living the way that I did to now
Speaker 3: my life's great. You know, I got a home, I
Speaker 3: got kids, I have a job. I can come and
Speaker 3: go as I please. I don't have to listen to
Speaker 3: anything if I don't want to. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I'm happy all the time. And that's what I
Speaker 3: was getting at. I think that when you went through
Speaker 3: enough struggles and you come out on the other side,
Speaker 3: I think that makes a happy person. Is that crazy
Speaker 3: to think? Not at all?
Speaker 2: I think that's very wise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, huh. I think I've always kind of wondered
Speaker 3: that because I am normally a happy, go lucky person
Speaker 3: all the time, pretty much almost all the time.
Speaker 2: Almost all the time, I'm.
Speaker 3: Almost always a happy, go lucky person, and most people
Speaker 3: around me aren't like that negative all the time. It's true,
Speaker 3: and I get in negative spurts as well. I was
Speaker 3: like that today at some point. We all do. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's kind of rare for me.
Speaker 2: I think it's completely okay to sometimes feel beaten down
Speaker 2: by the world and feel like you just don't have
Speaker 2: any positivity to muster. That's totally fine, that's natural as
Speaker 2: part of being human. We have hard days, you know.
Speaker 2: Not every acorn that falls from the oak tree grows
Speaker 2: into a tree. Sometimes nature just grinds it down and
Speaker 2: it doesn't always go the way that you know, that
Speaker 2: acorn wanted to grow. Sorry, sometimes nature is a little cruel,
Speaker 2: and that's just the sad truth about reality, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, metaphors aside. Yeah, I would say I
Speaker 2: completely agree with you. I think I think there's something
Speaker 2: really profound about what you said. And Dad is always saying,
Speaker 2: you know, for every interview that people have seen online
Speaker 2: of our father taught at this point, it's hundreds and
Speaker 2: hundreds of hours across you know, hundreds of programs. Multiply
Speaker 2: that by one hundred, and that's the amount of like
Speaker 2: conversation that our dad is telling us this stuff over
Speaker 2: and over and over and over and over again again
Speaker 2: and again, you know, and way more beating it and
Speaker 2: beaten it into our heads, like teaching us about this thing,
Speaker 2: make it, you know, he pretty much he told me
Speaker 2: that today on the phone. I called him right before
Speaker 2: Alex came and he was just telling me. He's like,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been teaching you this your whole life
Speaker 2: for a reason, you know, so that you can understand
Speaker 2: how the orbs work and everything. And he's really brilliant
Speaker 2: in many ways. Yeah, Yeah, he's really brilliant in that.
Speaker 4: He is very brilliant.
Speaker 3: Ye, he's very good at super happy that he did
Speaker 3: what he did, even though it was tough and even
Speaker 3: though you know, his son hated him for a time.
Speaker 3: That would have been enough to make me quit right then.
Speaker 3: You know, if Teddy was mad at me and hated
Speaker 3: me because I was talking, I would have never talked
Speaker 3: about a UFO again. But he has a certain level
Speaker 3: of courage.
Speaker 4: That I don't have.
Speaker 3: That's why he was picked.
Speaker 4: I think, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, he has a level of No, I don't think
Speaker 2: you're wrong. I think if we're going to be honest
Speaker 2: about our father, I think he has a level of
Speaker 2: courage and resilience there's very few men.
Speaker 3: Very few have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's one of the real ones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a g G, straight up G he is,
Speaker 2: and people.
Speaker 3: Just yeah Abraham Lincoln type mother.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seriously, he's kind of likes he's a really smart guy.
Speaker 2: But but but back to what we were just talking about,
Speaker 2: because I think you've said a lot of really why stuff,
Speaker 2: and also I had just full disclosures. I had no
Speaker 2: clue this conversation was going to go this way. But
Speaker 2: I'm really happy that it did. Oh really yeah, No,
Speaker 2: I asked the question like, hey, so I wasn't doing
Speaker 2: conferences and that's great, that's great, that's fine. I'm thrilled.
Speaker 2: I just wanted the viewer to understand. We didn't talk
Speaker 2: about any of this stuff beforehand. This is all from
Speaker 2: the heart. It's all from the heart, and it's act.
Speaker 3: She didn't even know I was going to be doing
Speaker 3: this today. I was supposed to be home. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then it just turned out I ended up working late
Speaker 3: and I was like, hey, dude, I might stay after all.
Speaker 3: You want a film. You were like, yeah, it's pretty
Speaker 3: much exactly that's the best case scenario.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what happened. But back to
Speaker 2: the question, right, So I asked you, you know, why
Speaker 2: do you think it happened this way? But let me reiterate,
Speaker 2: why do you think that for the first time that
Speaker 2: the beings appeared to you, it was scary?
Speaker 3: Why do you think I think It had to be
Speaker 3: that way, yeah, because it wouldn't have gotten my attention,
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't have made an everlasting mark that I
Speaker 3: remember sixteen years later the way that I do. If
Speaker 3: it wasn't traumatizing, it wouldn't have shifted my life the
Speaker 3: way that it did and change me as a human being.
Speaker 3: If it were something I'd forget about in a minute
Speaker 3: or two. If it were just a normal, everyday occurrence,
Speaker 3: we get a lot of comment forgotten, you know, or
Speaker 3: it wouldn't have been such a big deal. But because
Speaker 3: it was such a jolt, that's why I will never
Speaker 3: forget it, you know. That's it changes you at your core.
Speaker 3: And that had to happen because who I was wasn't
Speaker 3: a great person. I was not a great person. The
Speaker 3: person I am now is so different from who I
Speaker 3: was then. Dude, I was a killer. Okay, that's a fact,
Speaker 3: you know. That's it sounds crazy in the sa it
Speaker 3: on camera, but I was a killing machine when I
Speaker 3: was younger, That's true. I don't know anybody that's killed
Speaker 3: as many animals as I have. Is that okay? To say?
Speaker 3: On here? Nobody knows it, deer hunter. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I grew up with a family that deer hunted and
Speaker 3: raccoon hunted, and squirrel hunted, and duck hunted and freaking
Speaker 3: bear hunted. And I did that stuff religiously my whole
Speaker 3: first sixteen years. How you tell them when all the
Speaker 3: other kids were playing video games, what was I doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were probably out doing stuff like that. That's
Speaker 2: in the backyard with a freaking BB gun.
Speaker 3: That was the yep.
Speaker 2: That was just a family culture. It was like hunting
Speaker 2: and fishing when I was little.
Speaker 3: Instead of just saying games all the time, I would
Speaker 3: be hunting in the backyard just for fun, you know,
Speaker 3: I would be practicing. I'd be shooting my pellet rifle
Speaker 3: for every every birthday for the first fourteen years of
Speaker 3: my life. Papa Ted bought me a BB gun every year.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember that. But by the
Speaker 3: next year, by the next birthday, that last gun that
Speaker 3: he got me would be so worn out it would
Speaker 3: not even shoot, wouldn't hold air. I did that to
Speaker 3: many guns. I would shoot them until they couldn't be
Speaker 3: shot anymore, and he'd have me a new one on
Speaker 3: my birthday, and I would shoot and shoot and shoot.
Speaker 3: I'd kill girls and birds and shoot targets in the
Speaker 3: backyard just for the hell of it. And that's wrong.
Speaker 3: The killing for sport is wrong.
Speaker 2: I always felt that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I didn't feel that way. I didn't have
Speaker 3: any remorse, but I do now. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it has something to do with the UFOs. I'm not
Speaker 3: claiming that. You know, there's a lot of people who
Speaker 3: believe it does have something to do with it, and
Speaker 3: maybe it does. I don't know, but I was, you know,
Speaker 3: I love to hunt. I love to shoot animals, you know,
Speaker 3: deer and bear. I loved it. I loved getting in
Speaker 3: that stand. I love shooting My thirty out six had
Speaker 3: a big old deer. I loved watching it hit the deer.
Speaker 3: I loved watching the deer run off. And I loved
Speaker 3: getting down there and tracking the deer all night long
Speaker 3: if I had to. And I loved hanging him up
Speaker 3: and skinning him. I loved cutting him up. I love
Speaker 3: cooking him. I love eating him. And then I loved,
Speaker 3: you know, setting the corn out and doing it again
Speaker 3: or whatever. I just loved the whole thing, every bit
Speaker 3: about it. And I'm not like that anymore. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's right to hunt like that. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's right to shoot little innocent animals that way. You know,
Speaker 3: they're innocent, little creatures. They're meant to be used for
Speaker 3: our sustenance, but not for sport.
Speaker 4: You know, you should be.
Speaker 3: Out there just killing the little thing because you'll want
Speaker 3: to kill something. That's wrong. But if you need to eat,
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with hunting to survive, right.
Speaker 3: You know, if you're praying for your food and you're
Speaker 3: honoring it and you're doing it that way, that's that's
Speaker 3: totally cool. Same with fishing. But just to get out
Speaker 3: there and kill stuff, just to do it, man, that's
Speaker 3: that's crazy. And that's the kind of person I was.
Speaker 3: And there's that's just one thing. There's several other things.
Speaker 3: You know, me and Dad both changed drastically. The people
Speaker 3: we were then and the people we are now.
Speaker 2: Is after the event, Yeah, after the original.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. Yeah, it really is. It really is, because
Speaker 3: you know, I hunted in twenty twenty two. I think
Speaker 3: never I didn't kill anything, but I wanted to get
Speaker 3: back out there, like there's still part of me that
Speaker 3: wants to fill a freezer up. You know, there's still
Speaker 3: part of me that wants to do it like my
Speaker 3: I do with my grandpa, get in the stand, and
Speaker 3: you know, I want I want it. Sometimes I want
Speaker 3: to kill a deer. I haven't killed a deer, and
Speaker 3: you know, a long, long, long, long long time. I
Speaker 3: didn't kill one that year, didn't. You know. I don't
Speaker 3: have a lot of free time, and it just you know,
Speaker 3: it was a quick it was a fling. And I
Speaker 3: don't know, I just I don't. I don't feel like
Speaker 3: that's who I am anymore. I'm not eager to get
Speaker 3: back out there. If if I ever were to hunt again,
Speaker 3: it would be specifically just to eat food that's not
Speaker 3: tampered with and and you know, without chemicals, because the
Speaker 3: stuff we eat now is pretty bad. You know, the
Speaker 3: chemicals they put in the food and and all is
Speaker 3: just terrible. It's crazy. The food that the cows eat,
Speaker 3: even the stuff they eats bad, you know, so it
Speaker 3: makes them bad.
Speaker 2: So you obviously, I think that's great because you and
Speaker 2: I have never actually verbat him to discussed this, but it
Speaker 2: is in Dad's book and people, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: really elaborated on that much. It kind of is. But
Speaker 2: like our dad was obviously a big bear hunter. All
Speaker 2: the stuff that Chris was saying. You know, we were
Speaker 2: a family of hunters still are not not just us,
Speaker 2: but everyone else around us. I mean we're from We're
Speaker 2: from Fayetteville, North Carolina, like you guys out there South, Yeah,
Speaker 2: all around the world, like watching us on the internet,
Speaker 2: you have no you know you hear me, I don't
Speaker 2: really have a country accent. Go look up YouTube videos
Speaker 2: of Fayetteville, North Carolina. Can you imagine having the magnitude
Speaker 2: of experience that Chris Junior had as a young child
Speaker 2: on the verge of adulthood and being like as he explained,
Speaker 2: which I never really talk about, but it is true.
Speaker 2: The name Bloodstoe used to mean something in our community.
Speaker 3: In our community, and.
Speaker 2: It went from meaning something to you know, being mocked
Speaker 2: and revised. No, I know what you're trying to say.
Speaker 3: That's how it was looked at. When I was sixteen
Speaker 3: or seventeen.
Speaker 2: We were respected.
Speaker 3: We were big time and then and then we were
Speaker 3: that was building one hundred houses a year and had
Speaker 3: over one hundred employees. Dad did well over one hundred employees.
Speaker 3: Papa Ted had twenty framing crews. Wow, and like two
Speaker 3: hundred men or something like that working for him. Our
Speaker 3: Papa Tad. That's how he was doing it. Bro, Papa Dickens,
Speaker 3: our grandfather, my mama's daddy. He was bad. I could
Speaker 3: be wrong. Three hundred houses a year, that's a lot.
Speaker 3: So yeah, our name meant something. Dude. We lived in
Speaker 3: a million dollar home, seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 3: home with a one hundred thousand dollars pool in the backyard,
Speaker 3: a two hundred thousand dollars RV. We were doing it big. Like.
Speaker 3: Our family was well known. It was very respected. Nobody
Speaker 3: would dare say something bad about Dad back then. Dude.
Speaker 3: He built all the military guys houses, all the police
Speaker 3: officers' houses, most of the military guys they'd buy houses
Speaker 3: from Bloodsoae Construction back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he built most of the houses Willington back in
Speaker 2: the day, and just everywhere a thousand homes in between.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just stops.
Speaker 3: Really was the drug enforcement agents and all dude.
Speaker 2: Special forces stuff. He build a lot of their facil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dad was tight with all those guys.
Speaker 2: At one point. And I know that. Look, I want
Speaker 2: to clarify that. To me, this stuff is I'm glad
Speaker 2: that all that.
Speaker 3: Me too, is I'm so happy that because we would
Speaker 3: have not been on the path that the people that
Speaker 3: we are today coming from that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're better We're way better off. We're way better
Speaker 2: off with nothing.
Speaker 3: Then it's like the man the rich man, how does
Speaker 3: that saying go.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's that it's easier. Let me think about it.
Speaker 2: It's easier to go through for a camel to pass
Speaker 2: through the eye of the needle, a rich man to
Speaker 2: get right. I was trying to connect the eye of
Speaker 2: the needle and the camel. But that's right, thank you.
Speaker 3: But you know that stuff means nothing to me. It
Speaker 3: taught to what we've had to go through. And this
Speaker 3: goes back to the question of why do I think
Speaker 3: it happened to me? You know, it taught us valuable
Speaker 3: lessons that we wouldn't have learned if we were these
Speaker 3: spoiled rich kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone else around us is complaining about bull crap,
Speaker 2: and we're like, hello, I'm just trying to have a
Speaker 2: nice merry Christmas in your presence. I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: I'm just happy to see you, Like, why are we
Speaker 2: complaining about bull crap? You know, because of what we've
Speaker 2: been through, and that's you know, I say Christmas, I mean,
Speaker 2: in all scenarios. Yeah, I agree with you completely that
Speaker 2: when you go through these extreme losses, we've been reviled
Speaker 2: by the community. That's a little unique. Most people don't
Speaker 2: experience by Most people do not know what it is
Speaker 2: like to be criticized, you know, throughout the span of
Speaker 2: your life by thousands and thousands. Yeah, you know, that's
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty hard to get over sometimes. But you know,
Speaker 2: my point is when you lose everything and you're at
Speaker 2: that breaking point, it could be you know, a loved
Speaker 2: when dying, It could be anything but some extremely traumatic
Speaker 2: event that pushes you over the edge. I think that
Speaker 2: it does show you the truth of life, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, most things don't matter. The only things that
Speaker 2: do matter are being happy, family, family, your kids, Yeah,
Speaker 2: love smiles.
Speaker 3: Being helped, being joyful. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of that extra shit matters.
Speaker 3: I don't care the paintball gun, it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's okay, it's a harmless hobby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good for you. But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, all I'm saying is, you know, you don't
Speaker 3: have to have these things to be happy. You don't
Speaker 3: have to have these things to exist, you know, like
Speaker 3: the guns, the toys, the airplanes or whatever. It's not necessary,
Speaker 3: you know, we we're so used to doing without. I
Speaker 3: don't have to have anything to be happy. But it
Speaker 3: definitely helps, you know, it definitely helps, of course. Huh.
Speaker 2: So I had asked, you know, basically, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to get your take because these are things that I've
Speaker 2: had my own opinions about, but I've never exactly asked
Speaker 2: you out loud, like why do you think they were
Speaker 2: scary at first? Or you know, why do you think this?
Speaker 2: Or why do you think that? And ironically, even though
Speaker 2: this is an exact conversation, we've never explicitly had, you know,
Speaker 2: our thoughts were identical, which is that's crazy. I had
Speaker 2: the things you were telling me were exactly what I've
Speaker 2: always thought were the reasons that things happened the way
Speaker 2: they did. Really, yeah, but the reason I even wanted
Speaker 2: to ask in the first place is because there's people online,
Speaker 2: like you know, it's just like people in the family
Speaker 2: or people in the community, or online even you know,
Speaker 2: no name anonymous trolls. They'll say things like, oh, you're
Speaker 2: saying that beings are angelic, Well, you know they traumatize
Speaker 2: your brother. Well, listen to why he said they did it.
Speaker 2: Why he feels in his heart that they did it.
Speaker 2: Why I've always felt in my heart that they did it.
Speaker 2: My dad always felt in his heart that they did
Speaker 2: it because it was necessary, unfortunately for you.
Speaker 3: How come in the Bible, anytime they'd see an a
Speaker 3: or not every time, but there were times that they'd
Speaker 3: see an angel and it was scary. Right. How Come
Speaker 3: in the Bible angels were scary, be not afraid. How
Speaker 3: Come they had fiery eyes? How Come they rode in
Speaker 3: chariots of fire? Fiery ball, right, a fiery horse and carriage.
Speaker 3: That's how they knew. To explain it, they called it
Speaker 3: a chariot, which is a horse and buggy pretty much
Speaker 3: a fire. That's what the angels rode in, a chariot
Speaker 3: of fire. These demonic crafts that I'm seeing looked like
Speaker 3: chariots of fire. They look like a little fire ball
Speaker 3: of light flying around. So I can imagine back when
Speaker 3: they you know, they didn't speak the same.
Speaker 4: Way we do now.
Speaker 3: They would have called that thing a chariot of fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or a wheel within a wheel something like that, yeah,
Speaker 2: or a pillar of cloud by day yep.
Speaker 3: So we know all those things, but yet the church
Speaker 3: is telling us another thing. Who do we believe? Do
Speaker 3: I believe my own eyes and my heart and my mind?
Speaker 3: Or do I believe what the church is telling me?
Speaker 3: And then I remember that you should only believe. How's
Speaker 3: that saying? Go, h half that you see and nothing
Speaker 3: that you hear. And now how it goes something like that?
Speaker 3: I don't know that phrase. Yeah, you should believe nothing
Speaker 3: that you hear and half that you see.
Speaker 4: That's the quote.
Speaker 2: I don't know it. Yeah, interesting, pretty much.
Speaker 3: It means you don't believe everything everybody tells you, and
Speaker 3: you don't believe in everything you see everything either, right,
Speaker 3: just because you see something, I mean, it's always exactly
Speaker 3: as it seems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be you could have a different angle.
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying now. I didn't get it
Speaker 2: at first church. The preacher man, believe none of what
Speaker 2: you hear in half of what you see? Pretty much? Yes,
Speaker 2: almost exactly what he said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, believe nothing that you hear and half of
Speaker 3: what you see. Well, I'm hearing the preacher man say
Speaker 3: that this is demonic. But I'm seeing this. I should
Speaker 3: believe half of what I see and nothing that I
Speaker 3: hear from him is the way I'm taking it. So
Speaker 3: maybe there's a little truth to what I'm seeing. But
Speaker 3: Batman don't know shit, right. You know, that's a good
Speaker 3: thing I think about these things.
Speaker 2: Formula worked out there.
Speaker 3: I've had twenty years to think about this stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a lot going on up here.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be nineteen years and.
Speaker 3: Just a peace, love and judge thy neighbor.
Speaker 2: Some Dad likes to say about church. No, and you
Speaker 2: know it's it's the crazy thing because like Dad named
Speaker 2: his book UFO God. Why do people anybody ever thought
Speaker 2: about why did he do that? Why do you say
Speaker 2: that name?
Speaker 3: I don't know. Why don't you tell us?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Probably because he's very boldly telling you, Hey,
Speaker 2: this has to do with God. Yeah, of course this
Speaker 2: has to do with God.
Speaker 4: View right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And obviously the viewer knows. But then there's people
Speaker 2: out there who, honestly, probably the biggest criticism that people
Speaker 2: have is they're like, this is evil, this is demonic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, get that really, because we're praying out there
Speaker 2: and you know, there's things appearing and guess what if
Speaker 2: you did it would too. Everybody does it. We've done
Speaker 2: it in a crowd of a thousand people. Are you
Speaker 2: called up? Everybody in there?
Speaker 3: Cadd Christians? Lots of them, lots of them. Maybe not
Speaker 3: the ones that go to the Pentecostal Holiness Church, but
Speaker 3: we get lots of dedicated Christians that are no different
Speaker 3: than any other Christian that pray right there with us
Speaker 3: and see them. It's happened Catholics too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well way more than that. You know, people that
Speaker 2: are Hindu, people that are Muslim, people that are Buddhist.
Speaker 2: It doesn't it's not just it's not just Christian, you know,
Speaker 2: And like my view has changed. And I think that
Speaker 2: I think that people get I don't. I don't think
Speaker 2: Jesus was like, you know, hey, it's it's let me
Speaker 2: figure out how to say this, because I think this
Speaker 2: is to get right. I don't think like the Church,
Speaker 2: for example, Okay, let me say it this way. When
Speaker 2: we were growing up, we were taught, you know, you
Speaker 2: can't look at anything outside of the Bible. You can't
Speaker 2: look into Egypt, you can't look into you know, Buddhism
Speaker 2: or things like that. That's like very like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's only in this box. I don't think that's the
Speaker 2: way God is. I think that there is no box.
Speaker 2: I think that God doesn't just belong to one system,
Speaker 2: and all of these different systems are explaining the one thing.
Speaker 2: And if you're a really smart individual, you'll look at
Speaker 2: all of these different pieces of the puzzle and you'll
Speaker 2: find the commonalities. Right, You'll find the patterns of how
Speaker 2: things are similar. And you'll look at all the pieces
Speaker 2: on the board, not just the little box.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll start finding more pieces of that twenty thousand
Speaker 3: piece puzzle.
Speaker 2: Now, maybe there is some truth in Hinduism. Maybe there
Speaker 2: is some truth in them, from all of them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And maybe that's kind of the point of God in
Speaker 2: the first place. Is it's just we're a bunch of
Speaker 2: you know, ignorant little human beings for the last five
Speaker 2: thousand years trying to explain what we think it is.
Speaker 2: It doesn't belong on those pages. It is its own thing.
Speaker 2: It's immortal, it's timeless, it's boundless, it's beyond everything. It's everything,
Speaker 2: it's beyond our comprehension, and all of these different texts
Speaker 2: are just trying to explain the one thing. But I
Speaker 2: think there is a lot of accuracy, particularly in written
Speaker 2: works that pertain to Jesus. That doesn't even necessarily I
Speaker 2: don't my personal opinion, a lot of the New Testament
Speaker 2: and my view and what I've seen could be fraudulent.
Speaker 2: That's a whole other story. There's a scholarly debate where
Speaker 2: there's like thirteen letters from the Apostle Paul, and it's
Speaker 2: believed that he actually only wrote like six of them,
Speaker 2: and that the other seven are people over the next
Speaker 2: you know, several decades or one hundred years that just
Speaker 2: used his name and published the works. So that's what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say, Like people don't really know the
Speaker 2: full context of the Bible, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: And any text really most.
Speaker 3: Texts different interpretations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like you know, people want to talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a Christian or I'm this or I'm of that.
Speaker 2: Great well step one, if you know, instead of blindly
Speaker 2: believing the thing, once you go look into like the
Speaker 2: context of this system's existence, start to understand how it formed,
Speaker 2: the movement that was created at the time it began,
Speaker 2: the historical impact, how it spread to other nations how
Speaker 2: it relates to other cultures. And I'm just as of late, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're very similar for years. Yeah, and I've been talking
Speaker 2: to your you know, on and on and on over
Speaker 2: the last week and a half. I've been blowing your
Speaker 2: head up about this. But I'm talking about this gnostic thing,
Speaker 2: the non commodity. Yeah, because I'm really beginning to believe
Speaker 2: that the nag Hamadi Library is the secret missing piece
Speaker 2: to the Bible. That it is, It's the part of
Speaker 2: the puzzle. That's why, all these years later there's so
Speaker 2: much chaos and fear and distortion over Christianity. And then
Speaker 2: you have the idiots of the world, the idiots who
Speaker 2: hate and mock Jesus because of the actions of people
Speaker 2: that don't understand their religion. Ignorant just I was trying
Speaker 2: to say ignoramus and moron and like two other words
Speaker 2: at the same time, but like just ignorant, stupid people
Speaker 2: who want a claim to be spiritual, but then they
Speaker 2: mock Christ, they mock a real genuine fountain of spiritual wisdom.
Speaker 2: But then they'll be like, you know, Vuddh's really cool,
Speaker 2: this is really cool. That's really cold. But then they
Speaker 2: like mock Christ to me, it's like, uh, you're a
Speaker 2: fake spiritual person. You can't. You have to look at
Speaker 2: all sources of wisdom. I think, you know. Anyway, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get off my soapbox about that. But you know,
Speaker 2: people don't quite understand, like the significance. There's a reason
Speaker 2: that there's Jesus on the cover of UFO of God
Speaker 2: an orb, Yeah, an orb. Well interesting you start looking
Speaker 2: into the Gnostic thing that it was only discovered in
Speaker 2: the texts, only discovered in nineteen forty seven. And they
Speaker 2: talk about a lady they actually talk about a lady
Speaker 2: Sophia yep. And they have a completely different story about reality,
Speaker 2: and you know, a slightly different account of Jesus. And
Speaker 2: I think it's just very interesting, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I have a hard time saying I'm Christian because from
Speaker 2: a scholarly perspective, that implies certain things that means that
Speaker 2: you believe, you know, like you have to say the
Speaker 2: nice and creed for example, if you're a certain sect
Speaker 2: or it means you have to say this, or you
Speaker 2: have to do this, or you have to conform to
Speaker 2: this doctrine. I don't I don't conform to doctrines. I
Speaker 2: just follow Jesus, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's that's kind of how.
Speaker 4: I am as well in a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't really conform to everything the church tells me.
Speaker 3: I know that it doesn't matter. All that matters is
Speaker 3: that you because I like to think this. I don't
Speaker 3: know that it's true, but I think of consciousness. It's
Speaker 3: like this energy or like maybe in like a library
Speaker 3: that's floating around in the sky above us, right, and
Speaker 3: we're all linked together through this little consciousness thing, right,
Speaker 3: and then how like a cloud, like the cloud like WiFi, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like the Wi Fi signal. Our brain sends this signal
Speaker 3: and receives the signal, you know, and there's all this
Speaker 3: information floating around up there, and we're all like tied
Speaker 3: together through this. We're all one through God, the body
Speaker 3: of you know, this is like God up here, right,
Speaker 3: and he links to the trees and the animals and
Speaker 3: me and you and all through this one you know,
Speaker 3: like way of communicating. I guess you could say, I
Speaker 3: don't know how to explain it. That's how psychically, spiritually exactly.
Speaker 3: That is what I'm getting invisibly right, And there's a connection,
Speaker 3: there's any works and and uh, prayer to the psychic stuff. Prayer, yeah,
Speaker 3: angels and all they like. They can tap into that stuff.
Speaker 4: They hear it.
Speaker 3: They know what we're thinking, because you know it's up there,
Speaker 3: we think it and our brains sending it out on
Speaker 3: some level.
Speaker 2: Interesting, some people can.
Speaker 3: Tap into it. They are able to open up like
Speaker 3: that little portal in their brain that receives that Wi
Speaker 3: Fi signal and you're able to suck it up and
Speaker 3: now you're psychic or you know, you had a precognitive thought.
Speaker 3: But where I was going with this though, is sometimes
Speaker 3: I like to think that God is in control of
Speaker 3: that and and we are all tied together through that.
Speaker 3: That's why you know, you shouldn't murder somebody. I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's just like my own speculation, but you shouldn't hurt somebody,
Speaker 3: harm them, talk bad to them, anything, because we're all
Speaker 3: together through this one thing. So if I'm like hurting you,
Speaker 3: I could be hurting myself at the same time or God,
Speaker 3: you know. So that's why I like to think you
Speaker 3: shouldn't harm people or be ugly to them, treat them wrong, whatever,
Speaker 3: because you're harming.
Speaker 4: God or yourself.
Speaker 3: That's probably all a load of baloney, but it's not
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: It's exactly and many others.
Speaker 3: And where I was going with that, Where was I
Speaker 3: going with that? I had the very special little loop.
Speaker 3: I was gonna tie it all together.
Speaker 2: It'll come back from the cloud.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it
Speaker 3: kind of reminds me of Mother Nature in a way.
Speaker 3: You know, how everything is tied together through Mother Nature, God, right,
Speaker 3: the plants and all. But that's why, that's how you
Speaker 3: make it to heaven. That's how you you know, that's
Speaker 3: part of how you make it to heaven. You recognize
Speaker 3: things like that, you don't treat people wrong, you do good,
Speaker 3: You have good in your heart, good intentions. You know,
Speaker 3: if you have good intentions, then you're probably not.
Speaker 4: Gonna hurt anybody. It's all about intention.
Speaker 3: And you know, I know, as long as you know
Speaker 3: those things and you know to be good to other
Speaker 3: people and you know how to act, you know, and
Speaker 3: you love God, you love the earth, you love the animals,
Speaker 3: the people. You know, you're you're one step closer to
Speaker 3: making it to heaven. You don't have to exactly follow
Speaker 3: the doctrines that the Pentecostal Church tells you. I don't
Speaker 3: have to cut to a certain length and avoid wearing
Speaker 3: you know, nose piercings and all to make it to heaven.
Speaker 2: Like they would say, you know, agreed, I would take
Speaker 2: a step further. I would say that heaven is not
Speaker 2: a place that you go to when you die, but
Speaker 2: it's a constant state of mind that you should seek
Speaker 2: to achieve in life. And then if you achieve this
Speaker 2: in life, then you'll be immortal beyond death. See, people
Speaker 2: got it backwards from how we came our community and
Speaker 2: the majority of Christians in the world. It's like, you
Speaker 2: gotta be saved. What if you were to die, like
Speaker 2: right now or any time, you gotta be saved on
Speaker 2: that deathbed. You better confess Christ. You gotta believe. There's
Speaker 2: this emphasis of like you have to believe this. You
Speaker 2: have to say X, Y Z. You have to say
Speaker 2: Romans ten to nine, the center of prayer. If you're Anglican,
Speaker 2: you gotta say the nice and Creed. You gotta say this.
Speaker 2: You gotta say you're hell Mary's, you gotta say the
Speaker 2: Lord's prayers. Seven times a day. You gotta say exactly
Speaker 2: this or you are going to burn in hell for
Speaker 2: all eternity. I don't think that's even close to the truth.
Speaker 2: I think that's so far from the truth. I think
Speaker 2: the real truth is the teachings of Jesus were a secret.
Speaker 2: It was a new answer to the problem that humanity
Speaker 2: at the time was facing. They had never heard this
Speaker 2: knowledge before other than in secret and mystery schools in
Speaker 2: Egypt and Greece and India and Tibet and so on
Speaker 2: and so forth. That he brought this knowledge to the
Speaker 2: world for the first time. That you have to reach enlightenment,
Speaker 2: you have to seek a state of being. You have
Speaker 2: to be christ Like. You have to be this way,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what you believe. It's not about being saved
Speaker 2: by some outside force. It's about how you be, not
Speaker 2: about how you believe. Right, being christ Like Heaven is
Speaker 2: a state of mind. Because in Tibetan Buddhism, for example,
Speaker 2: they have a concept called the light body or job Chin.
Speaker 2: It's believed that Jesus. I mean, I'm just saying I've
Speaker 2: had these conversations with people who are pretty credible about
Speaker 2: certain things like this, very smart individuals who study this
Speaker 2: way more than me or most people alive on the planet.
Speaker 2: And there is a belief that, you know, maybe the
Speaker 2: shroud of Turin even is what it is because Jesus
Speaker 2: achieved light body and poof disappear in a flash of
Speaker 2: light when he was ready to You read the stories
Speaker 2: about the transfiguration on the mountain. I've heard stories of
Speaker 2: Tibetan monks levitating, you know, poof rainbow body, they disappear
Speaker 2: in a flash of light. I think there's way more
Speaker 2: possible than we really.
Speaker 3: Definitely no, and we've seen that firsthand at the freaking
Speaker 3: cy Games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not the light body, but many other things. Very
Speaker 2: cool thing we've seen that.
Speaker 3: We are more than what they teach us. What your
Speaker 3: church teaches you, and what the government in our school
Speaker 3: teaches you is taught to you purposefully to keep you controlled.
Speaker 3: I think I could be wrong about that, but what
Speaker 3: it seems because there's they're purposefully leaving stuff out.
Speaker 2: And maybe they don't even know it themselves, but it
Speaker 2: is definitely happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, our government knows about it. That's why there's the
Speaker 3: Monroe Institute. They've been studying it for a long time, right,
Speaker 3: pretty much. And I know that they've been working with
Speaker 3: what they've worked with them before.
Speaker 4: I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, they've done like investigations into their program and
Speaker 2: worked with developing you know, siabilities for remobilers us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 3: You know they made the movie The Men Who's there
Speaker 3: at Goats when we were kids, Like, they were studying
Speaker 3: this stuff for long before us. Yeah, you know for
Speaker 3: sure the government knows all about it. They were not
Speaker 3: taught about it for what reason? Why Why are we
Speaker 3: not taught this stuff? Why are we not taught that
Speaker 3: you can, you know, precognitively know when your freaking wife
Speaker 3: is going to pull up in the driveway. It can happen.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: Why aren't we taught that if you train your body enough,
Speaker 3: you can bend to a spoon with your mind. Well,
Speaker 3: if they taught everybody that, then it would be really
Speaker 3: easy to break out of prison, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2: Or are a number of other things.
Speaker 3: No, that's just example, but it would make sense to
Speaker 3: control us. They would want you to know things that
Speaker 3: make you powerful, right, you know, they make you almost superhuman.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to know that stuff. You have
Speaker 3: to seek it. You have to get lucky and find
Speaker 3: it right, faster egg.
Speaker 2: You have to seek it. Yeah, that's why we have
Speaker 2: so many mythologies about like you know, the Holy Grail,
Speaker 2: the wishing stone, the Chintamani wishing stone from Buddhism. There's
Speaker 2: these mythologies, these legends about like finding this secret treasure.
Speaker 2: Those are all metaphors. It's about your soul coming here
Speaker 2: on the journey to discover this knowledge and become enlightened.
Speaker 2: That that's that quest for the Holy Grail exists inside
Speaker 2: all of us. It's the search for knowledge. We're all
Speaker 2: the fool on the journey, right, that the archetype of
Speaker 2: the soul. Right, we all come here as the fool.
Speaker 2: We're all on that path to seeking this knowledge.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: That's what the Gnostics were all about. That's what the
Speaker 2: word gnostic means, or the word nosis, it means knowledge.
Speaker 2: It means to be like illuminated to you know, when
Speaker 2: you when you read the Gnostic interpretation of salvation is not, hey,
Speaker 2: you gotta pray to me, You got to say you're hell,
Speaker 2: Mary's you gotta do X y Z and you won't
Speaker 2: burn a hell forever. The Gnostics were like, whoahoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: Actually we're kind of in hill now figuratively speaking like yeah,
Speaker 2: like the matrix, they said the word illusion or the
Speaker 2: word like a nightmare. I think it was the Gospel
Speaker 2: of Truth or one of the knock Commodity scrolls. It
Speaker 2: says that basically, this is a nightmare that the flesh
Speaker 2: comes into a nightmare. You're you're, you're, you're actually seeking
Speaker 2: to get out of here.
Speaker 3: Whereas listening today, bro, maybe in another week or so I'll.
Speaker 4: Be able to talk this stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard you. I heard it up seriously. But see,
Speaker 2: the Christian doctrine or many doctrines are like, well, actually
Speaker 2: it's the opposite. You die and then you go what
Speaker 2: Gospel of Truth it's in there? Yeah, it talks about
Speaker 2: it being a nightmare. Right, you want to elaborate read it.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear it.
Speaker 4: No, I don't have anything to elaborate. I'm just confirming
Speaker 4: you're correct.
Speaker 2: Okay yea. Alex starts shaking his head at me and
Speaker 2: thumbs up, which means I got something correct. So I
Speaker 2: had to get to the bottom of it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the modern theology is that you come here, you've got
Speaker 2: the life, and then if you die, if you mess
Speaker 2: up a few times here you burn a hell forever.
Speaker 2: But really I couldn't be farther from the truth that
Speaker 2: this is the hard place. Yeah, we are in the
Speaker 2: hard place.
Speaker 3: That makes sense. Look at the world we live in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it could be way worse. That's really good news.
Speaker 2: It honestly could be worse. There are a lot of
Speaker 2: things here to enjoy if you have the state of
Speaker 2: mind to you know, be a loving, joyful person.
Speaker 3: It's insane to think that way, man, because it's true,
Speaker 3: because you could you could enjoy anything, or you could
Speaker 3: choose to be negative and spiteful and hateful and just
Speaker 3: be unhappy all the time. Some people choose to live
Speaker 3: like that. That's something Dad always said to me, is
Speaker 3: you can choose to be happy or you can choose
Speaker 3: to be upset. And he said that to me all
Speaker 3: the time when I would be upset about the UFO things,
Speaker 3: you know, last out and be mad, and he would
Speaker 3: tell me it's up to you to choose to be
Speaker 3: happy or choose.
Speaker 4: To be sad.
Speaker 3: And and at first I was like that, you know,
Speaker 3: that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard of my life.
Speaker 2: That's what I as a kid, I'm like, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks dad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I would think. You know, I don't
Speaker 3: want to hear that shit. I wouldn't talk to him
Speaker 3: like that, but I don't want to hear that shit.
Speaker 3: I'd leave, but I never forgot it. And he's right.
Speaker 3: You literally can choose to be a spiteful, hateful, negative
Speaker 3: person that makes everybody unhappy and stresses every person out
Speaker 3: around them. You know, because when you're spiteful and negative,
Speaker 3: even though I know you're not being negative and spiteful
Speaker 3: towards me, it still gives me some level of stress. Right,
Speaker 3: I'm sure it.
Speaker 4: Does for you too.
Speaker 3: And someone's just like slamming shit even though they're not
Speaker 3: focused to you, he's slamming something and he's cussing and
Speaker 3: mad because that speck on the wall isn't right, You're
Speaker 3: filling some level of stress. These negative, nasty people are
Speaker 3: running around freaking. They just can't enjoy life, and other
Speaker 3: people around them.
Speaker 2: Can't enjoy life because they're around them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they choose to be just negative and nasty.
Speaker 3: I really thought about that, and I choose to be happy,
Speaker 3: and I make that choice and I do and I am.
Speaker 3: It's so it's literally that simple it's a mind stay.
Speaker 3: It's you can be happy or sad.
Speaker 2: Quite literally, it's the Philosopher's Stone. Yeah, it's why it's
Speaker 2: our symbol. The symbol is actually a rendition of the
Speaker 2: philosophers Stone. That's very intentional on my part. Huh, I said,
Speaker 2: I wanted it to be a triangle with a circle
Speaker 2: in the middle, but the triangle will be a pyramid. Symbolically,
Speaker 2: it's a yellow triangle, but it's the pyramids. That's why
Speaker 2: it's yellow. And the UFO if you notice it's a
Speaker 2: perfect circle shape. Uh huh, that's intentional. It's the Philosopher's
Speaker 2: Stone because I've for all this time I've wanted the
Speaker 2: viewer to be exposed to this symbol, you know, the people,
Speaker 2: and it's spreading it into the world, you know, and
Speaker 2: it being associated with our brand and our story because
Speaker 2: I wanted that spiritual symbol really to be tying all
Speaker 2: of this together, which basically means that you have the
Speaker 2: power to create your own reality. You can create heaven
Speaker 2: or you can create hell. It's not a destination you
Speaker 2: go when you die. It is a constant state of
Speaker 2: being in life and death and forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 3: And I know people that find a way it don't
Speaker 3: matter what you say or what's presented to them, they
Speaker 3: find a way to be negative about that thing, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? I know, you know people like
Speaker 3: that just they cannot find happiness in anything. They don't
Speaker 3: matter what you give them. They can't even do a
Speaker 3: hobby right because they're so negative and nasty about everything.
Speaker 3: There's nothing they enjoy. They're living in hell, right, you know,
Speaker 3: and don't even know it.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people alive today living in hell.
Speaker 2: I'm not living in hell. I know this is a
Speaker 2: hard place, but there's life.
Speaker 3: But you know, I can control that. I can still
Speaker 3: find happiness and other things. That's it's crazy to think
Speaker 3: about and see it the way that I see it.
Speaker 4: I wish everybody could see it that way.
Speaker 2: Me too, man, doing trying to convince people, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: there's more, the more of the world than you've been
Speaker 2: told and what you've seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what like the whole thought about negativity though,
Speaker 3: is it's crazy, man, There's so much more to just
Speaker 3: like that topic negativity. I really believe that you shouldn't
Speaker 3: be negative ever, you're I agree.
Speaker 2: I think it should all be external any negativity you
Speaker 2: experience should be external, should not come from you, yes,
Speaker 2: and should not come from within your bees. It's okay
Speaker 2: to experience stress and.
Speaker 3: You're not something I'm trying to even work on. And
Speaker 3: I'm pretty for the most part, I'm pretty positive most
Speaker 3: of the time. But I think that if everybody tried
Speaker 3: to live a little more positive and see things more positively, Like,
Speaker 3: just find some way to see something that you perceive
Speaker 3: as negative. Try to find a way to see it
Speaker 3: in a positive way. Whatever it is you're looking at
Speaker 3: or facing, find some way, I don't care how fucked
Speaker 3: up it is, find a way to make it seem positive.
Speaker 3: And just start doing that, like to yourself in the
Speaker 3: back of your mind, think like that, anytime something happens
Speaker 3: to you, just find a way to make it positive.
Speaker 3: Start making yourself do that, and eventually it'll just happen.
Speaker 3: You'll start seeing things differently. You know, You'll start seeing
Speaker 3: things and you're practicing and manifesting a more positive reality
Speaker 3: by trying, you know, is all I'm saying. And I
Speaker 3: think that's very important, super super important. People that run
Speaker 3: around being negative all the time they stress me out.
Speaker 3: I do not like negativity at all, I don't want
Speaker 3: to hear it at all, Just don't. Yeah, it does
Speaker 3: stress me out. I get stressed out easy. Yeah, me too,
Speaker 3: And especially negativity. I think that comes with being very
Speaker 3: energy sensitive. And that's why I'm really happy to like,
Speaker 3: I've learned certain techniques from the Monrostitute, and I'm kind
Speaker 3: of like going down this path of like learning more
Speaker 3: stress management techniques, breathing techniques, things like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd be happy to show you any time,
Speaker 2: but I think that those things really do help for
Speaker 2: energy sensitives. Yeah, one, one.
Speaker 3: Three, But it was one one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. The one was saying that when we were
Speaker 2: he was pointing that out to me. But no, no,
Speaker 2: I I completely agree, And I think it comes from
Speaker 2: being energy sensitive, being being very overstimulated from external energy.
Speaker 2: But the burden is on all of those of us
Speaker 2: who are truly connected to the spiritual, who truly understand
Speaker 2: the deeper meaning of what's really going on behind the
Speaker 2: scenes in the spirit world. It's more than just black
Speaker 2: and white you know what your church is teaching you.
Speaker 2: It's more than just like, yeah, I love my crystals,
Speaker 2: but f Jesus, like, no, no, no, there's there's something really
Speaker 2: deep going on here. You know, there there are forces
Speaker 2: that are actually constantly interacting with you in an invisible
Speaker 2: world that you can't see. And there's good, there's bad.
Speaker 2: There's there's electromagnetic forces that are constantly affecting your consciousness,
Speaker 2: your your nervous system, your brain. You know, you're you're
Speaker 2: you're being overloaded with invisible energies.
Speaker 3: Like that eclipse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's important to be aware of protecting
Speaker 2: yourself from like external negative energies. But anyway, we should.
Speaker 3: All practice being positive.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: That's like the best advice to give anybody.
Speaker 2: That's what Dad has told me more than anything. Be positive,
Speaker 2: be happy, be positive. Like I don't want to hear
Speaker 2: that right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean either I never did, but now I
Speaker 3: find myself saying it all the time and live.
Speaker 2: In that way and telling everybody else.
Speaker 3: And telling everybody, telling Teddy, be positive, be happy. Don't
Speaker 3: ever ever say something that, especially about yourself, especially or
Speaker 3: another person say that to him all the time too.
Speaker 3: You don't ever.
Speaker 4: Talk bad about yourself ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it even says that in the Bible
Speaker 3: in some place metaphorically. Yeah, it does says if you
Speaker 3: curse a tree, it'll die. Yeah, but it says more
Speaker 3: than that too. Or if you tell a mountain to move,
Speaker 3: it'll move. Yeah. There is another thing. I'm probably wrong
Speaker 3: about it, but something about if you curse your left hand,
Speaker 3: cut it off or something.
Speaker 2: Or no, it says if your left hand of fends you,
Speaker 2: cut it.
Speaker 4: Off, okay.
Speaker 2: In other words, if there's any sort of vices or
Speaker 2: things that are causing you trouble or things that you're
Speaker 2: doing that are wrong and you can't control it, remove it,
Speaker 2: get it out of your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I always kind of interpreted that as you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: pretty much what you said. But like you know, if
Speaker 3: you're finding things something negative or there's bad stuff or
Speaker 3: negative things, you know, remove it, get theah, cut it out,
Speaker 3: get out it, get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, get it out of there.
Speaker 2: Agreed. Walking down this path is not and it requires patience,
Speaker 2: It requires humility, It requires just constantly being you know,
Speaker 2: reminding oneself, be positive, be positive, be positive, reminding others
Speaker 2: be positive, be positive.
Speaker 3: I want to know more about why do you Why
Speaker 3: do you think it is that, like I was saying earlier,
Speaker 3: and I feel bad that I said it that I
Speaker 3: liked killing as a kid I did. I did like
Speaker 3: to hunt, shoot and kill. You know, I liked hunting.
Speaker 3: I was feeling bad about that. But why do you
Speaker 3: think it is that we changed so drastically after seeing
Speaker 3: this spiritual thing there, or this UFO or whatever. Why
Speaker 3: Why would I go from loving to hunt like that
Speaker 3: and and like really loving it to now like I
Speaker 3: don't or or and there's other things too, like I
Speaker 3: went from being not so good in some areas to
Speaker 3: now I'm not like that. Why why it happened to dad?
Speaker 3: It happened to me? Why why do you think that's happening?
Speaker 2: My honest view is because I believe that it is
Speaker 2: a spiritual initiation that when you when you experience things
Speaker 2: that are extremely dramatic, especially things that are concerning, like
Speaker 2: you know, the spirit world, seeing interdimensional beings, things like that,
Speaker 2: it it has an effect on your soul that begins
Speaker 2: this awakening process where you become more intimately connected to
Speaker 2: the spiritual. You become more empathic, your psychic abilities, increase
Speaker 2: your awareness of the other reality even though you're not
Speaker 2: you know, seeing it all the time with your eyes,
Speaker 2: which we kind of do is you know, you know,
Speaker 2: worms of light all the time. But you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like you're constantly being more aware of this
Speaker 2: invisible reality, and you start to become more acclimated to
Speaker 2: the truth and and being more in resonant with the truth,
Speaker 2: which is like being humble, being kind, being christ like
Speaker 2: being loving, being feeling sorry for other people when they're suffering,
Speaker 2: you know, not not wanting to cause harm to other beings.
Speaker 2: It's just a natural process that unfolds, because once you
Speaker 2: go through that initiation process, it's like it's it's this
Speaker 2: journey that just it's it's like the turning lead into
Speaker 2: gold in alchemy. The metaphor is that basically, your soul
Speaker 2: is this screwed lead before this process, and then you
Speaker 2: start this process to where your soul is now being
Speaker 2: forged by fire. Well, that fire is the spirit, and
Speaker 2: it is going to be refined and refined and burned
Speaker 2: and broken down and turned into this beautiful bar of gold.
Speaker 2: So what does that look like? All the external events
Speaker 2: that have caused suffering and trauma in your life.
Speaker 3: Minerals like just burning off.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's these karmic lessons phoenic exactly exactly, that's the
Speaker 2: same exact metaphor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Huh.
Speaker 2: It's the process of dying and being reborn. I could
Speaker 2: say it in a thousand ways. You're being born again,
Speaker 2: you know, like you're being baptized in fire. There's all
Speaker 2: these different mythologies.
Speaker 4: I was baptized in water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, last Sunday, I was in the pond and Dad's
Speaker 2: in Mom's backyard when I was fifteen. But yeah, anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so that's that's why I think. That's why I think
Speaker 2: you've changed so dramatically, and it's it's because it's a
Speaker 2: very real spiritual process that is occurring on the level
Speaker 2: of your soul, huh, and everybody who experiences.
Speaker 3: Yeah. At first I kind of wondered if it had
Speaker 3: only happened to Dad, But then at the same time,
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it definitely happened to me too. I
Speaker 3: had to have yeah, because I like, I had to hunt.
Speaker 3: I wanted to, like that was what made me happy,
Speaker 3: you know, hunting, and I just don't have.
Speaker 4: That anymore like that I used to.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't exist. So it has to have happened
Speaker 3: to me as well. And there's other things too, like
Speaker 3: the hunt.
Speaker 4: That I have changed. I would say, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I've always wondered, Yeah, it's cool to see what you think,
Speaker 3: and that totally makes sense. It's like in a spiritual awakening. Well,
Speaker 3: it was important to you before just doesn't matter the
Speaker 3: same anymore, not at all. You see the world just
Speaker 3: so differently. Huh.
Speaker 2: You start to see a lot of that old stuff
Speaker 2: didn't matter and if anything was making your life harder,
Speaker 2: making it worse.
Speaker 3: Yeap, money doesn't matter. Stuff doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 2: To me, going broke as a kid wasn't the worst trauma. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm sure I still have my team. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: that wasn't No. I mean, it was horrible and had
Speaker 2: to move around town and all that, and nobody should
Speaker 2: experience that. But that wasn't the worst part. The worst
Speaker 2: part was the UFOs and the angelic beings appearing, and
Speaker 2: then seeing how you guys were treated, and then kind
Speaker 2: of seeing how I began to be treated when I
Speaker 2: would talk about it by the time I was fourteen
Speaker 2: or fifteen, and then just seeing this impact that it had,
Speaker 2: and then how the over swooped in and got involved
Speaker 2: and started to you know, try to control and all
Speaker 2: this all this stuff started unfolding. To me, that was
Speaker 2: the trauma. It was all these negative external forces that
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, I could shaming us and mocking us
Speaker 2: and humiliating us and torturing us.
Speaker 3: If it was hard for me, and I could being
Speaker 3: an adult, I could get up and leave. I can't
Speaker 3: imagine what it was like for y'all being little kids
Speaker 3: that had to stay at home no matter what.
Speaker 2: Don't ever talk about that, Yes, sir, I'm sorry. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm a child. What am I gonna do? Try to
Speaker 2: tell you you're wrong? Sorry, what'll happened again? And then
Speaker 2: I'm like sitting there, you know, thinking about it and
Speaker 2: thinking about it. Oh my god, they just shut me up,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And then now here you are, I wonder what that
Speaker 3: person thinks.
Speaker 2: Now, Oh dude, I've heard all kinds of things you
Speaker 2: tell me. I mean, I don't know if it's the
Speaker 2: thinking I don't want to talk about people on the show, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it does.
Speaker 3: Don't have to say any names, but it might help
Speaker 3: the viewer give them a little context, like they want
Speaker 3: to hear stuff.
Speaker 2: I think there are people in our family who think
Speaker 2: it's like absolutely crazy that I do this, and that
Speaker 2: I'm just out here talking about evil stuff.
Speaker 4: All the time and you're going to Hell.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's probably the conclusion. Yet, Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I'm just like talking about demonic things. Couldn't be further
Speaker 2: from the truth. I think I did one episode about
Speaker 2: hell and light and right, helping people, you know, connect
Speaker 2: to God. That's kind of the main thing. Helping people
Speaker 2: figure out how to go outside and have this real
Speaker 2: connection with the spirit world and like see these angelic beings.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's been a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: that happening. But you know, yeah, there are people that
Speaker 2: think it's absolutely crazy that I'm doing this, But I.
Speaker 3: Mean, do you do you see what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 3: Though I do, I kind of feel bad for them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we have this special knowledge that I was lucky enough
Speaker 3: to see and know that most people don't get to
Speaker 3: actually know their whole life. I don't have to hunt
Speaker 3: and search and look for UFOs or spiritual beings or what.
Speaker 4: I don't have to hunt and wonder.
Speaker 3: Right, most people will wonder their whole life and search
Speaker 3: and they may die never actually knowing.
Speaker 4: I don't have to think that way.
Speaker 3: I just always know, and it's just just crazy. Some
Speaker 3: of our some of our people, you know, they live
Speaker 3: by the by the code and they believe it.
Speaker 4: And they're not right.
Speaker 2: That's crazy to me too, man, Like, I don't think
Speaker 2: people quite get that. I've had so many videos sent
Speaker 2: to me over the last I don't know how many years,
Speaker 2: you know, many years, and people be like, have you
Speaker 2: seen this congressional hearing? Have you seen this UFO thing?
Speaker 2: Have you seen this UFO thing? And I'm like, what
Speaker 2: do you guys think? I'm just sitting around looking at
Speaker 2: UFOs all the time, Like now, walking outside, I'm seeing them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't care watch this crap.
Speaker 3: I don't need to too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get.
Speaker 3: It's like when I went to the contact in the desert, dude,
Speaker 3: and I'm meet and you know, a lot of them
Speaker 3: are really nice people and I'm not going to say
Speaker 3: any names, but there were some like really big UFO
Speaker 3: celebrities there. I'm meeting these people and shaking hands with
Speaker 3: them and I've never seen their faces before. I don't
Speaker 3: know anything about them. I don't know what they do.
Speaker 3: And they're like the top names. Some of the guys.
Speaker 3: They're like, Bro, you know who that is? That's so
Speaker 3: and so, Holy shit, she's like the ones She's done
Speaker 3: all this and that, And I've never even heard of
Speaker 3: this lady before I meet her. She's like ninety years old.
Speaker 3: She's so sweet and she's like, oh, hey, nice to
Speaker 3: meet you. And everybody's like, hyper up, don't I don't
Speaker 3: know these people. I don't research UFOs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never needed to.
Speaker 3: I saw, I saw it. I know. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: waste my time reading about this freaking reptile. I didn't
Speaker 3: see a reptile. I'm not gonna waste my time reading
Speaker 3: on his damn gradies or watching videos. And I'd rather
Speaker 3: watch about a paintball gun. I don't know enough about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and see, I'm like, I know enough text. I'm
Speaker 2: looking in other areas. I don't need to go look
Speaker 2: at all that stuff, you know what. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: find different, different, you know, hidden things.
Speaker 3: I'm mechanically minded talking about this today, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 3: very hands on with the things I do. Ryan's the
Speaker 3: book worm. He's the he's more books smart and that
Speaker 3: he can. I always thought it was so cool when
Speaker 3: I was younger you could read a book and you
Speaker 3: could remember it word for word, the whole frickin' book.
Speaker 3: You were like that when you were a kid, you
Speaker 3: could you could spout almost word for word the whole day.
Speaker 3: You could read a paragraph and tell me word for
Speaker 3: word where the paragraph said.
Speaker 4: I can't do that.
Speaker 3: It took me to like fifth grade to learn how
Speaker 3: to do that, to learn how to read a paragraph
Speaker 3: and remember it. You know, I have a different type
Speaker 3: of learning, different skill set, kinesthetic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm ashamed to say I haven't read a book
Speaker 2: probably in years. Yeah. There was a time where I
Speaker 2: was like reading books.
Speaker 4: All the time in a day. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was a kid.
Speaker 2: I was always reading and reading and reading and reading.
Speaker 2: But now all my reading is uh, you know, for information. Sure,
Speaker 2: not really reading books as much as I used to.
Speaker 3: I'm reading better really. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm taking that skill set and applying it
Speaker 2: to different things.
Speaker 3: But because you're reaching people with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for saying that, man, And I don't
Speaker 2: I don't think you should be hard on yourself either,
Speaker 2: like everybody. You know, some people think tube of, some
Speaker 2: people play clarinet, like supporters.
Speaker 4: What do you mean?
Speaker 3: Thank you for saying that. That's all much that almost
Speaker 3: hurts my feelings. You should know that I respect everything
Speaker 3: you do and love what you do. Yeah, you should
Speaker 3: never have to say thank you for that. I'm your
Speaker 3: biggest supporter.
Speaker 2: Well what am I supposed to do when you compliment
Speaker 2: me and be like, yeah, you should have said that's right.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say thank that ship, bro, because you're the man, You're.
Speaker 4: The bomb dude on it.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad that it makes you feel good.
Speaker 2: Trying to be humble. Man, I know, well, would you
Speaker 2: look at that? I had no clue. We're out of
Speaker 2: time here, so we're going to close out now.
Speaker 3: But I hope that I wasn't too weird and spouting
Speaker 3: off you.
Speaker 2: Know, awesome?
Speaker 3: It was it?
Speaker 4: Oh, it was incredible.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear that because I'm starting to regret it.
Speaker 2: No, there was a lot of wisdom. Do you say
Speaker 2: that every time?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: And also for the first I'm regretting.
Speaker 3: Because I spoke a lot about religion, and I've spoke
Speaker 3: about family, and when I do speak on religion, it
Speaker 3: bothers me for weeks after I think about it, and
Speaker 3: I wonder if I said the right thing. And I
Speaker 3: don't want to mess anybody's religion up or the way
Speaker 3: they believe and put them through the you know, the
Speaker 3: shock that I went through. I don't want to be
Speaker 3: the cause of that for anybody. So I think about
Speaker 3: that afterwards, and.
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying. Yeah, but know that anything
Speaker 2: that you're saying in that moment is not something that
Speaker 2: has not been said on this show already.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be seen as a heretic.
Speaker 2: Well you you know you already are. It's funny because
Speaker 2: we were talking about that this morning. Yeah, but just understand,
Speaker 2: I understand that.
Speaker 3: You feel that way.
Speaker 4: Not a freaking heretic.
Speaker 2: I have felt that way for many years doing this show.
Speaker 2: I have felt that I I hit a certain point
Speaker 2: where I began to feel guilty, like I don't want
Speaker 2: to destroy anyone's belief system and I still don't. But
Speaker 2: I think as long as it's said with the right
Speaker 2: intention and with love, there's nothing wrong with just saying
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 3: And I feel at very least everything I've said is
Speaker 3: how I've thought.
Speaker 4: Or fell over the years is not the gospel.
Speaker 2: Well it's the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the truth.
Speaker 2: This stuff all really happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the way I've felt and thought and the
Speaker 3: things I've experienced. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify. You know,
Speaker 3: nobody has to believe me. Nobody has to you know,
Speaker 3: take my word for the gospel, right, you know this
Speaker 3: is just my thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well let's send it there.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good natural point and terrific my guys,
Speaker 2: Bye bye. Weird things happen in the backyard and let
Speaker 2: some house the garden to let the houses just so weird,
Speaker 2: weird aware.
Speaker 3: Wow,