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with a solicitation, a plea if you will Pete's plea.
I am in need of some service, okay, and so
I'm going to use the airwaves. It's not just for
my benefit. I'm not making any money on it, but
I feel like everybody would benefit, all of the people
that knew all of the meanings behind the tattoos on
our Secretary of Defense, Pete hegseeth all of you guys.
There were a bunch of you guys. If you could
do me a favor, please, I beg you could you
take a look at the arm of the Maryland Dad,
because there's a picture of him now. He's alive and well,
apparently being very well fed. Down at the notorious El
Salvador in Prison. That it's the name of the prison,
as far as I can as far as I can tell,
because every time I hear the prison mentioned, it's always
called notorious, So I assume that's the name of the prison.
So yeah, we got a picture of him, We got
proof of life thanks to Senator Chris van Holland from Maryland,
who has not met with the family of Rachel Morin
murdered and raped and murdered by an illegally, hasn't met
with her, but went down to make sure that the
Maryland dad that's being held at the notorious El Salvador
in prison that he was still alive and being cared for,
and he was okay, and he was Apparently he got
a meeting after he was told he couldn't do the meeting.
Apparently somebody thought, you know what, let's go ahead and
set up a meet with Van Holland and the Maryland
dad at a place we call the briar patch. And
Van Holland said, ooh yes, and went right into the
briar patch. So the reason I ask for the expertise
of the tattoo knowers, tattoo experts is because the Maryland dad,
he's got a bunch of tattoos. He doesn't have him
on his face, as best I can tell. It's a
profile picture that I have seen. However, there are internet
saluts that are now offering their expertise on some of
the tattoos that the man has. And what has really
attracted attention are the tattoos on the man's left hand,
his fingers, specifically on the four fingers, not the thumb,
because the thumb technically isn't a finger, right, it's a
digit if I recall correctly. Anyway, the the four fingers,
one on his on his pointer finger, his index finger,
there is a marijuana leaf. Oh okay, Okay, I don't
know what the legal status of pot is in Maryland. Okay,
maybe it's medicinal, we don't know, Okay, but he's got
the he's got a marijuana leaf on that, on that
between the the knuckle and the first joint of the
index finger. Next on his middle finger, he's got a
smiley face. I don't I don't know. I don't know
what that means. Maybe it's just when you're in traffic
and somebody cuts you off. It's a way to you know,
flip somebody off, but in a nice way. See it's
a smiley face. Okay, so marijuana leaf, smiley face. And
then he's got on the ring finger, he's got a
crucifix across. And then on the third or sorry, the
pinky finger, he's got a skull. What is he trying
to tell me? Marijuana leaf, a smiley face across, and
a skull. Well. I decided to do a quick Google search. Actually,
not Google, they're monopoly. Did you hear that? Anyway, I
did a search on duck duck Go, which is native
to the Brave browser, which I highly recommend as a browser.
I'm not paid to say that either, but the apparently
did you know that criminal enterprises people who participate in
gang activity. They are fond of the body art. Did
you know this? They like to Yeah, they wear tattoos.
They put tattoos on themselves. Well I guess they have
somebody put them on. Well, maybe they do their own,
but whatever, they have tats, and the tattoos oftentimes communicate
their affiliation with the criminal enterprise. And there's a gang.
Maybe you've heard of them. They're called MS thirteen and
Marisalvutra whatever thirteen and I think they're originally out of Honduras.
Not to be confused with the Barrio eighteen group. It's
a different group, that's the eighteenth Street Gang or something.
But they too, both of these gangs, and they are
rival gangs. They do not like each other, like this
Sharks and the Jets, you know, and they don't like
each other. But they also share a similarity in that
they wear a lot of tattoos. They have a lot
of tattoos, and get this, they hide some of their
gang logos and stuff inside of what seemingly would be
at first glance innocuous images or even religious images. In fact,
that's a pretty big one. They really do enjoy hiding
their gang symbols inside of Christian iconography. And one of
those symbols they really like to use. They hide the
one in a cross and they hide the three in
a skull. Now, think of the four tattoos again, marijuana
smiley face, cross or one and skull with the three
in it. M marijuana smiley face, one, three. All you
experts in tattoo art and what the real meaning is,
particularly when it when it comes to, you know, burying
these nefarious ideologies inside of body art. Could you guys
lend your expertise on this one. Just take a look,
see if you notice anything, because I think that might
be relevant if you're, you know, accused of being in
the MS thirteen gang, if you're sporting a bunch of
tats that are in line with the MS thirteen gang, inc.
You know. So that's my plea. Thank you very very much.
If you can lend your expertise to this investigation, we
would greatly appreciate it. I don't know if this is
actually the case. I don't know for sure because I've
never spoken to this I mean this Maryland dad. I've
never spoken to mister Abrago Garcia, so I don't know
for sure why he chose all of these different tattoos.
But I can tell you that the tattoos are in
line with what MS thirteen does.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: They're also big fans of the you know, the three monkeys.
On's got their hands over their ears, and one's covering
their eyes, and one's covering his mouth. See no evil,
hear no evil, speak no evil. Apparently MS thirteen really
loves that one too, And you can actually find images
very quickly with a quick search online. You'll find images
of the MS thirteen gang members with tattoos had to
toe doing that thing where there well there will be
three of them in a row and they're doing that.
See no evil, hear no evil, Speak no evil. So
apparently one of the things that uh that law enforcement
the gang unit actually up in Maryland where the Maryland
Dad lived illegally. But one of the things that they
noted was his sweatshirt his hoodie when they brought him
in or when they identified him. He had a sweatshirt
that had a whole bunch of like dollar bills and
various currency images on the on the hoodie, you know,
like just our currency and the currency images of our
you know, presidents and you know Ben Franklin and stuff.
They had their eyes, their mouths, and their ears covered
with rolls of cash. So picture an image of one
hundred dollars bill and the Ben Franklin image in the
middle of it. Have he's got rolls of cash covering
his eyes, his mouth, and his ears, which seems to
me to be a pretty specific kind of image, you know,
like I think you got to get that thing custom
or like on Cafe Press or Zazzle or something. He
was also wearing a Chicago Bulls hat, which is also
apparently a symbol in MS thirteen that you are a
member in good standing. I'm not sure if the Chicago
Bulls are aware of this. They may want to do
a copyright lawsuit or something against the gang. But I'm
sure that this is all just coincidental and doesn't prove
a single thing in any court of law. But actually, no,
there is a thing, the preponderance of the evidence, right,
that's the civil standard that it's more likely than not.
And either this guy is sort of the unluckiest guy
with all of these things that just you know, point
to some sort of affiliation with MS thirteen, or he's
a member of MS thirteen. Oh, there's also a confidential
informant that told law enforcement he is and gave his
rank and his his moniker. His name Jaday is what
he goes by. I'm sure it's just a coincidence. Though.
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Let's go to the phones. Let's talk with Tyler. Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 3: Hey Tyler, Hey, how's it going?
Speaker 4: Hey?
Speaker 1: All right, what's up?
Speaker 3: Oh? I was just saying you did a lot of
research on the tattoos, which is cool. But the most
important thing is researching the Fifth Amendment. That's the crust
of this. It doesn't matter who he is, it matters
who we are.
Speaker 1: Do you do you want to elaborate on that?
Speaker 3: Well, the Fifth Amendment? Well, you're a libertarian. I figured
you would remember that we have due process and it
says no person shall be deprived of their due process.
Speaker 1: So that's the fourteenth Amendment.
Speaker 3: No, this is the fifth amend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the fifth Right, the fifth Amendment talks about the
due process than the fourteenth explains the explains what the
due The fourteenth then explains what the due process means.
But you're talking about you're talking about the disposition of
his case, right, yeah, right, So he was well but
all right, so what was the what were the three
what were the three claims that he made?
Speaker 3: I don't understand what you're asking.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he went to he was he was ordered
to be deported. Right in the first case, you do
know that, right, Okay. Then he appealed that for a
different cause, a different claim. He lost that one as
well in front of a different immigration judge. And then
the third claim was the w o R, the warrant
of removal, and that's where they said, yes, he is deportable,
you just can't send him back to l Salvador. And
that's where the thing hang on. And that's where the
Trump administration admitted that they messed up. Now the truck.
Now they're saying, well, we can't, we can't fix it,
and we don't want to fix it. And this is
where the court is saying, no, you have to facilitate
fixing this.
Speaker 3: They can't fix it because they were willingly not doing so.
The Supreme Court road nine zero, right, nine zero, including
Thomas and Alito, Yeah, all of them.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: It's pretty easy to understand that he's defying the and
the drug Wilkinson recently said, facilitates an active verb, I mean, correct.
Wilkinson thing was amazing to read. It's about us, this
is about due process, and if it's not a Bravo,
it's about the game makeup artistation. It's about a number
of people who were never given due process.
Speaker 1: Well, hang on a second, so I would disagree with
you that Abrego Garcia was not given due process. He
was given due process by the fact that he was
brought before two different judges making two different claims that
was rejected on both counts because of the MS thirteen connections.
So he was ordered deportable even regardless of the MS
thirteen stuff. He was ordered deportable because he was an
illegal alien. That's I've been here for a long time, right,
So he was ordered deported case right, and they did,
but they did, they did, they won. Then he appealed
with a different claim that he lost that one then too,
that's due process as well. He then made a third
claim and he won the third claim, and that was
simply to say he doesn't get to be deported to
El Salvador, but they could send him apparently anywhere else.
And so I have argued no right, I agree, and
the administration has admitted that that was their mess up too,
and now they are defiant in fixing that. Now. I
suggested that they just give the bus ticket to the
President of El Salvador, who can hand it off, or
they could have given it to Senator Van Holland. He
could have just driven him across the border of El
Salvador into another neighboring country. Sure, and that would have
that would have remedied the situation. But their apparent the
Trump administration is apparently trying to force this issue somehow
to what end. I do not know.
Speaker 3: Well, the end would be to litigate each and every
one of these to the point that the whole system
goes into paralysis. Because if it's not again, they could
have given bus there's ways to remediate, Breako Garcia's case,
there's often ways to remediate, like the gay makeup Artistan.
We don't know they were sent to elfdalvad or now
their home country, and what's what's this contract that we're
paying them for? Like we paid them what six million?
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's not a due that's not a due
process issue.
Speaker 3: But it is they were sent without being able to
go before it does.
Speaker 1: Now no, if they were ordered deported, if these people
had deportation orders against them, right, you come into the
country illegally, you get caught somehow.
Speaker 3: The evidence that there has been for like Honring or
any of these other people, right, So.
Speaker 1: You're ad So what you're so what you're advocating then,
So when I'm trying to be clear on what it
is that you're advocating, because I thought I heard you
just say something about hearing the case is individually and
that to to slow the.
Speaker 3: Process, saying that's Trump's game. The Trump always delays every
piece of.
Speaker 1: That's Trump's game. But Trump, But but hang on, Trump
tried to deport end mass and that's what got him sued.
Speaker 4: That was illegal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, so you can't deport and mass. So we
have to hear every single case. So everybody that comes
to everyone that comes into the country illegally, tens of
millions of people by some estimates, we have to have
a separate hearing for every single one of the people,
even after they've been adjudicated in a court that they
were here illegally. He admitted it. By the way, he
admitted that he came in illegally. He did admit that.
Speaker 3: But there Yeah, but they're saying that's adjudicated as the
crux of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he admitted he came in. Weren't adjudicated he
but he admitted he came in illegally. Brego Garcia said
he told them he came in he explained how he
made the trek in twenty twelve came across. So there
isn't any disagreement that he is here illegally, So what's
the doss problem?
Speaker 3: Will He was given protected status from what I understand,
and then they were taking they basically defied the previous orders.
I haven't followed every detail of it, but I do
understand that there's a due process concern there, and there's
also a due process concern for all the Venezuelans that
have not been proven right.
Speaker 1: So the but the people that came in using the app,
the CHNV program that Biden instituted for the Cuba Nicaragua
Venezuela right that additional program that Biden put in place
to give mass quote unquote parole, which was also unconstitutionally
and illegal. He wasn't allowed to do that because they
are supposed to be admitted on a case by case
basis by the Secretary of Homeland Security, and they were not.
They were given blanket parole in violation of the law.
And so now so what I'm hearing then is that
we can violate the law to allow everybody to use
an app to come in and get parole.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, I don't agree with that, and
I don't agree with what the mask parole with that, saying.
Speaker 1: Okay, so then can we but everybody that came in
on the mass parole system. Then can we just take
all of those people with that signed up for that
parole system and say, okay, you admit you came in
under this parole system, so that means you're not allowed
to be here, so we're going to send you back.
Speaker 3: That's what the laws the judicial system should go through.
They tried to sort circuit that.
Speaker 1: No they didn't. They said, if you came in under
this program, program is over, you got to go back.
You got thirty days.
Speaker 3: And that's what you're saying is used to apply to
the supposed to ple.
Speaker 1: All of it is right, people who have right, people
who have or who are known deportable. Those were the
first people that they started going after with the criminal records.
Speaker 3: And they weren't sent back to their home country. They
were sent to a prison with no problem.
Speaker 1: There's no when they can't send them back. Yeah, when
they can't send them back to Venezuela, because Venezuela being
a socialist hellhole. They won't take them, So what do
you do?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: So, what do you do with what? All right? So
let me hang on, hang on, Tyler.
Speaker 3: What do you have to have? What term limit?
Speaker 1: Tyler? What do you do? What do you do with
somebody from Venezuela when Venezuela won't take them back?
Speaker 3: Well that you could incarcerate them here or you could
schedule an incarceration.
Speaker 1: Elsewhere, which is what he did.
Speaker 3: Except for we don't know the terms of that incarceration.
We're paying for something. We don't know if they have
an ability for parole. We don't know how many meals
a day they're getting. We don't know whether or available
visit some family. It's all We sent them away to
a foreign.
Speaker 1: So government needs to take care of them.
Speaker 3: The government. We have a responsibility under our constitution. This
is who we are as Americans.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's one of the that's a different claim though.
One is we have a responsibility as Americans. The other
would be a constitutional claim of some kind, which I'm
not I don't think it's actually in that constitution. But Tyler,
I appreciate the call. Good chatting with you. All right,
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the phones, I go, and here I talk with Tony. Hello, Tony,
welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: Hey Pete, how are you?
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good man. What's up?
Speaker 2: Comebauch retired from Long Island, New York.
Speaker 1: I never would have guessed you were a Long Islander, Tony.
I never would have guessed that.
Speaker 2: And I ac caught into your interest me in how
you know, were portraying all his identifying characteristics. And to
add another lad to that argument, if he had any
of those identifying marks on him and he did not
earn or should not have them, MS thirteen would have
reacted extremely violently, if not alright, killed him for having
those marks on his body.
Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, if you're representing.
Speaker 2: That you're you can pretend to have right.
Speaker 1: If you're representing that you have attained a certain status
or you're in a certain gang like the Western Clique
of MS thirteen, which is what he is alleged to
have been a part of. And he was known to
the Maryland law enforcement gang units, and that's where a
lot of the information in the original court proceedings came from. Yeah,
like they would have they they'd done him nasty if
they knew that.
Speaker 4: He was and they were violent for violence sake.
Speaker 2: A lot of times it was it was a remarkable
level of violence that are with that with that gang
up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they tried to say the Western Click was based
out of Brentwood, Long Island and not in Maryland. That's
what this guy's lawyer claimed, But that's not true. The
lawyer made a misrepresentation about the territory controlled by the
Western Click of MS thirteen, which when I saw that
that they were centered in Brentwood. Do you you're a
perfect person, ask you ever do you ever hear of
the Strong Island boys? Yeah? Are they still around or did?
Are they fighting with MS thirteen up there? Or are
they just like old news? Yeah? Okay, that was back
when I was a kid. So we were always so
terrified of the Strong Island.
Speaker 2: We went through the cycle there. We were at the
motorcycle gangs, and then we went into these other more
violent gangs from there. So we have the Pagans and Angels. Yeah,
we a little few flair ups with them, and then
you had the MS thirteen really starting to take things
over with the violence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Tony, I appreciate it, buddy. That's a
great point. Thank you. Thanks me all right, man, thanks
for your service too. Appreciate it. Let me go over
to Alex. Hello, Alex, welcome to the show.
Speaker 5: How are you doing.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm good.
Speaker 5: I just I just want to say that I worked
for the US Postal Service, and I worked for a
post office in southeast Charlotte, and it was located in
a stripmall area. And this is like twenty years ago.
On the side of the building scrolled in large letters
and numbers with a MS thirteen in spray paint. I
mean this craft has been going on for years. Oh yes,
and this should have been done a bit long before now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I remember covering the MS thirteen, The rise
of MS thirteen. Yeah, years ago, probably fifteen years ago.
They were in Charlotte. I mean like they just they
just busted a couple of or sentenced a couple of them.
I did the story yesterday. Three people, two people convicted
for them. They're going to go. They're going to serve
thirty five years for murdering somebody. Uh in I want
to say East Charlotte a couple of years back, and
they were they did it to advance through the ranks
of MS thirteen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, something needs to be done about it. I certainly
hope that the Trump administration is able to deport every
single one of these illegal vermen who were here. I
hope something can be done about it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think that's that's what he ran on.
That's what people I think voted for him to do. Alex,
I appreciate the call. Yeah, And look, I don't have
to choose as to whether or not the administration is
now acting in defiance of the court or this guy
should have been deported. I don't have to choose between
those two. That's a false choice. And earlier call with Tyler,
Therey I think was trying to box me into this
false choice that you're either for due process or you're
for him getting deported. No, I could be four due process.
And I can recognize that the Trump administration on this one,
on the third order, is acting in defiance. I can yeah,
I can see that. I can also see the two
other judges, when presented with all of the evidence, and
upon the agreement of Abrago Garcia himself, who said, okay, fine,
I will leave, just don't send me to l Salvador
because the Barrio eighteen gang is there a rival gang
of MS thirteen. So he did not want to be
sent back to l Salvador, and the Trump administration sent
him back there anyway, and that was in violation of
the third court order or claim. So like I can say, yeah,
he was absolutely deportable. Where they screwed up was sending
him to the one country on the face of the
planet that a judge said, don't send him back to Marty,
welcome to the program, hey, Marty.
Speaker 4: Yeah good, uh yeah, yeah about Tyler, And I can't
wait for you to bring up the ploye. Is it
theest gang labeled as a gang? And do they have
the same right terrorist group?
Speaker 2: And do they have the.
Speaker 4: Same rights to get the amendment? You know, do process
if they're a terrorist.
Speaker 1: That's a fair question. They were MS thirteen was designated
as a foreign terrorist organization, and yeah, the fifth of men.
Speaker 4: The same due process, I mean my question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there is an exception in the Fifth Amendment except
in cases arising in the land or naval forces or
in the militia when in actual service, in time of
war or public danger. So yeah, like I could see.
I'm no constitutional law expert, and I'm sure there's mountains
of case law about this stuff, but it just seems
to me pretty stupid. That you can create an unlawful
program to allow, you know, hundreds of thousands or millions
of people to in illegally and then you can't remove
them by the same method in a blanket way. It's
just bizarre to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and Tyler is about to have three meals
a day?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean that would yeah, house arrest, That's
that's possible.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, Marty, thank you. Look, yeah, man,
all right, have a great weekend. I understand the discomfort
of this kind of government power absolutely, And I said
from the very beginning that the government's going to is
going to make mistakes in everything it does. It's gov
co for crying out loud, it's not a surprise. The
question is what will they do when they make mistakes?
And they are and they have to remedy the situation.
And in this case, I don't know if there's some
sort of a legal strategy at play to try to
advance a goal or an agenda that would have of,
you know, larger implications for other cases. I don't know
if there's a dual strategy, like with the birthright citizenship case,
which I will get to there. To me, it seems
pretty clear there's a dual path that they're running. The
Trump administration is running on this one. I can't like,
I said, I thought the obvious answer was get the
guy a plane ticket and fly him out to some
other country he could even choose. I don't care, like
they could have just short circuited this whole thing. But
now at this point, I kind of feel like they're
in it for the pr benefits that they're getting. When
you have the Democrats rallying around an MS thirteen gang
member whose wife took out restraining orders against the guy
or filed the filed the application to and then and
then recanted. So was she lying then or is she
lying now when she says he was this great husband?
Which one was it? Because both of those things cannot
be true?
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All right, so Professor Margo Cleveland reporting, I guess this
is the This appears to be the response from the
DOJ that has staked out its position on Abrego Garcia
and whether or not they will have to and what
they will do to facilitate his return. Okay, so here
is here's what they say. Department of Homeland Security has
established processes for taking steps to remove domestic obstacles that
would otherwise prevent an alien from lawfully entering the United States.
I have been authorized this is from PAMBONDI. I have
been authorized to represent that DHS is prepared to facilitate
a Brego Garcia's presence in the United States in accordance
with those processes. If he presents at a port of entry. Okay,
so this is them facilitating I guess this is there.
I'm just reading this for the first time. People, I
have Okay, I have been authorized to represent Homeland Security
is prepared to facilitate his presence in the US in
accordance with our already established processes. If he shows up
at a port of entry, okay. If he sneaks across
the border somehow again and we catch him, like, all
bets are off. I guess next sentence. I have been
authorized to represent that if Abrago Garcia does present himself
at a port of entry, he would become subject to
detention by DHS. In that case, DHS would take him
into custody in the United States and either remove him
to a third country or terminate his withholding of removal.
The woor which is the only one that that's the
only claim he made that he won, which was don't
send me to l Salvador, but you can send me
anywhere else. He agreed to be deported because he had
lost his two attempts with two different judges to stay
after acknowledging and explaining how he crossed the border illegally
and has been staying in America for over a decade.
So if he does show up at a port of entry,
he would then be detained and DHS would take him
into custody in the United States and then either send
him to a third country or terminate the withholding of
removal order because of his membership in MS thirteen, a
designated foreign terrorist organization, and then they would send him
back to El Salvador. So those that's how they are
facilitating his return. If he comes back across a port
of entry, then we'll take him into custody and then
deport him the District court. According to Margo Cleveland, the
District Court court has said that facilitate means what it
means in the dictionary, and you have to facilitate his
return to the US under the meaning that meaning in
the dictionary and submit to discovery to show the court
to tell us what you have done. But the DOJ's
position is no, you have to tell us precisely what
you want us to do. First, the DOJ sought a
stay from the court making this point, and that forcing
the executive to facilitate beyond removing domestic barriers for Garcia
infringes on Article two. The Fourth Circuit denied that stay.
Cleveland says, I fully get it. Why DOJ is drawing
that line and demanding the court specify what it is
ordering the DOJ two do Because if the Court says
what it is telling DJ two do, it will be
clear it is overstepping into Article two authority. Right. That's
why the DOJ is saying, tell us what you want
us to do, because if you tell us what you
want us to do, everyone will see that you are
You're abusing your power. You're overreaching, You're overstepping into our
authority of the executive branch. But for as wrong as
District Court's opinion is, the GoJ has yet to address
the fact that the Supreme Court said the District Court
properly ordered Trump administration to facilitate release from custody. That
was the Supreme Court saying that, yes, the District Court
added facilitate return to us and that was overstepping. But
part of facilitating release to US would be facilitating release
from custody, which is what the Supreme Court said was proper.
And the DJ's argument that all it's going to do
is let him, you know, get to a port of
entry and then get arrested again, right, that's not consistent
with the Supreme Court's order. The Supreme Court, she said,
for them to say it was appropriate to order Trump
administration to facilitate released from custody, it meant they did
not believe doing that would infringe on Article to authority.
But why is that? She says. The only way ordering
Trump to facilitate release from custody would not infringe on
the executive branch authority is if the custody was not
based on diplomatic give and take, but on executed agreements
regarding detaining folks in El Salvador for the US. This
is all very legally, wonky, I know, all right, that'll
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