WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:03.919 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:05.839 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:08.359 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:11.480 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:14.720 my interest in cryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.199 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.239 --> 00:00:21.679 I've personally become involved with The Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.760 --> 00:00:25.320 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:29.399 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.399 --> 00:00:32.159 and more. 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This is the audio from the 36 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:10.159 Texas Bigfoot Research Conservancy conference out there in Texas from 37 00:02:10.199 --> 00:02:11.919 back in twenty thirteen. 38 00:02:12.319 --> 00:02:12.719 It is a. 39 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:16.639 Phenomenal lineup that they have on this amazing roundtable discussion, 40 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:18.919 and I brought it to you today because it's so 41 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:22.759 interesting to me that we're talking eleven years ago some 42 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:25.719 of the discussions around DNA and evidence and the things 43 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:27.960 that we're going on back then are still up for 44 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.120 discussion today, and I think it's a really cool opportunity 45 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:33.960 for us to look at what's happening today versus back 46 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:36.960 in twenty thirteen with some of these juggernauts in the 47 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.000 bigfoot community. So I think you're really going to enjoy this. 48 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:42.599 But fortunately you don't have to take my word for it. 49 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:43.400 All you have to. 50 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:59.479 Do is sit back, relax and enjoy the show. 51 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:08.680 Hey there, it's Brian. What you're going to hear today 52 00:03:08.719 --> 00:03:10.919 is something a little different. This is the panel discussion 53 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:15.199 that followed the recently concluded Texas Bigfoot Conference in Fort Worth, Texas. 54 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:19.639 On the panel were Josh Gates, Kathy Strain, Alton Higgins, 55 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:24.599 Lyle Blackburn, Bill Muns, Darryl Collier, Jeff Meldrum, and me. 56 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:27.840 We were moderated by Mike Mays, who blogs as the 57 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:32.080 Texas krypted Hunter on the Internet. This is basically questions 58 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.960 that were submitted by the audience, so we cover a 59 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.520 wide range of topics. I thought it was very entertaining. 60 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:40.199 My thanks to the North American wood A Conservancy for 61 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:41.680 letting me put this out. 62 00:03:41.759 --> 00:03:44.400 Hope you enjoy it. Here it is My name's Mike Days. 63 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:47.360 I'm a member of the board of directors groups formerly 64 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:49.919 now and as the tv RC are. 65 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:51.800 Now the North American Wooded Conservancy. 66 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:54.840 You had the opportunity throughout to day to fill out 67 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:57.039 one of these cards with questions of the pane, off 68 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.280 of the speakers, and for members of the group. So 69 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:02.000 I'm just going to go through them, some addressed specifically 70 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:05.759 to an individual, summer to the whole panel. So we'll 71 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:09.000 just keep going right now, mister Gates, is personalness for you. 72 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:11.120 You gets a warm zone. 73 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:14.159 It says what situation has been the most threatening to 74 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:17.079 you during your filming destination truth. 75 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.720 We get the roof rip off of an airplane in 76 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:24.000 flight in Romania. That is usually my goats and answer 77 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:26.680 for that, when you are flying in a plane and 78 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:28.800 suddenly you are outdoors. 79 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:30.079 Something as general at your flight. 80 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:32.480 So I think that was probably our nat to Chernobyl. 81 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:35.519 Probably it's at both sides of that remains to be seen. 82 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:39.560 That's going to be a long time for decades. I 83 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.399 think that's a pretty satisfactory answer. Roof or it's off plane. 84 00:04:43.519 --> 00:04:45.680 No way to compete to an answer, dude, all. 85 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.720 Right, this one's addressed to the entire panel. So of 86 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.920 anyone that feels strong about it, please take a stab 87 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:53.560 in this. What do you think is the strongest reason 88 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:57.040 no one has been able to produce any physical proof 89 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:59.199 that the Sasquatch exists. 90 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:01.160 I'm not gonna say I have after you answered this, 91 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:05.040 but I want to differentiate between proof and evidence. There's 92 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:08.040 evidence that something can be, and then there's proof that 93 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.279 something can be. And no, we don't have proof, but 94 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.040 we have a lot of evidence. That evidence comes in 95 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:15.079 the form of footprints, that evidence comes in the form 96 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.959 of photographs, that it comes in the form of viable hairs. 97 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:21.079 It sounds none of these things are proof, but they 98 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:23.319 are all evidence that there's something there. 99 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:25.399 I was just gonna say they any gooble accounts thatts 100 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:26.639 Vulman methods as well. 101 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:28.279 It may not be the most reliable, but it. 102 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.360 Is a vulner Methodence, why don't be a difference. 103 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:33.839 Yeah, I'm guessing here. 104 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:36.319 But I'm going to assume what they were really after 105 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.959 is why no physical remains. 106 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.000 That sort of thing. Anybody elaborate on that. 107 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:45.399 If this is an analogy of an answer, it's really 108 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.439 is something that I was actually talking with two ladies 109 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:51.439 that they're sitting there now. Last night at the smaller 110 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:54.839 meetings we had, I was talking about how there are 111 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.439 these like brain teaser puzzles, as little twined uses a metal. 112 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:01.959 You pick it up and you try to unhook the 113 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:03.839 two pieces of metal if you can play with it 114 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.360 for hours and you can't make it work, and then 115 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:09.759 somebody comes along and says, just twist it and you 116 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:10.439 slide it. 117 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:11.600 And it's solved. 118 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.360 And you watch them do that, and you wonder, why 119 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:19.360 didn't you see it those hours you were trying to 120 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.639 untangle these two square the little pieces of metal. For 121 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.839 myself personally, all big the phenomenon, I know, it's a mystery. 122 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:28.959 I don't have an explanation for it. Why there isn't 123 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:32.639 more advancement, physical remainings and things like that, I have 124 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.480 no explanation for. And it does confound me because I 125 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.759 know Patty's real, and there's got to be more of them, 126 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:41.120 and if there's more of them sentilily, there's got to 127 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:43.920 be evidence. And I don't know why, but I have 128 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:47.040 a feeling it's like this analogy of this little brain 129 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.879 teaser puzzle. We're looking at it, we're looking at it, 130 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:51.639 and we're looking at it. We're trying to we're trying 131 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:54.879 and trying, and it's not working because there's one little 132 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:57.959 twist that we don't yet understand. 133 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.279 And I think when we underst. 134 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:04.000 Stand it, suddenly the evidence will start appearing, and then 135 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:07.920 when we look back on it, we'll realize we just 136 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.319 didn't see one part of the puzzle. 137 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.000 Now, exactly what the part is we won't know until. 138 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.240 We see it, of course, but there's one little piece 139 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.160 of the puzzle missing, and when we have that one piece, 140 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:21.759 the physical evidence will start showing up. 141 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:23.879 We'll know where to look, we'll know what it is, 142 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:24.560 we know. 143 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:26.959 How to determine it, we'll know how to separate it 144 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.519 from something that's faked, and once we reach that point, 145 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.959 suddenly it'll all become clear why we had so much 146 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:38.920 trouble finding the evidence before. So for me personally, that 147 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:40.480 would be how I would. 148 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:40.600 Look at it. 149 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:43.920 Answering that question. We know it's a mystery, we know 150 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.480 we haven't figured it out yet, we're just missing one 151 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:50.680 little bit of the pieces, and when we have it, 152 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.439 it'll all come together and we'll be able to entangle 153 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:54.720 the mystery effortlessly. 154 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:56.000 That's my shot. 155 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:58.680 I would just add that's very true, and if you 156 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:03.800 apply that particular way. Part of that equation isn't necessarily 157 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.519 a mystery than just a lack of information. Some of 158 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:10.040 that information we actually have. We have physical evidence in 159 00:08:10.079 --> 00:08:13.000 the form of hair. There's no question that something is 160 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:17.879 shedding hair that continues to define attribution to any commonly 161 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:22.199 known qualify and ven Bear's remarkable resemblance to human and 162 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.639 other primary hair. We've been stumped because of a set 163 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:29.639 of circumstances associated with the very nature of that hair. 164 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:34.919 In trying to derive DNA from those samples, it's proved 165 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.080 very challenging. Now technologies have advanced, Like I said, while 166 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.240 unfortunately I think the water is far too muddy with 167 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.279 the Melb Kitchen study to salvage anything from that situation. 168 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:48.759 At a moment, I'm very hopeful that doctor Brian sites 169 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:54.679 techniques of digestion and the illusion of DNA from problematic 170 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:57.440 troubling hairs. So here's the simple explanation is, if I 171 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:02.879 weigh background hair is dead, the Libby dividing cells are 172 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:04.399 at the follicle at the root. 173 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:06.240 Most of the hair that. 174 00:09:06.279 --> 00:09:10.679 Is shed naturally has a quiescent or an inactive follicle. 175 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.960 When you find hair in your brush or in your drain, 176 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:14.759 in your shower. 177 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:16.080 That's hair that. 178 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:19.399 Is simply falling out because the follicle has shrunk up 179 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:22.600 and the hair slips out and then a new shaft 180 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.399 begins to grow. That's happening all the time with you 181 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.879 and other animals. So much of the hair that's found 182 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:31.399 out in the environment doesn't have a clump of rapidly 183 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:33.559 dividing growing cells that it's root. 184 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:34.879 So we rely on the. 185 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:38.000 Cells that are stacked up in the central core or 186 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:42.279 modulla in order to derive hair. But some animals have 187 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:46.519 an a cellular modula, a core that is essentially hollow, 188 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:49.559 that has no stacked of dead cells. So all you 189 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:53.360 have is a shaft which is the tusks the remains 190 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:57.519 of dead cells stacked together with very little DNA. 191 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:00.240 Is any dnare, but recent. 192 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:04.440 The advances have improved the probability of getting DNA out 193 00:10:04.480 --> 00:10:08.200 of that very barren hair shaft, and those techniques are 194 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:11.320 being employed by doctor seishin of those thirty hair samples 195 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:11.799 that he has. 196 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.080 Hopefully something will put the forthcoming. 197 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:17.120 But as far as other physical remains of a corpse, 198 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:20.480 it's really not that mysterious. If you talk to people 199 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:23.480 who are familiar with the circumstance of the fate of 200 00:10:23.559 --> 00:10:26.759 remains of animals in the wild, it's not really surprising 201 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.960 we haven't found the remains of a very rare, very large, 202 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.120 very long lived animal, an animal that would be at 203 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:37.120 the top of its food chain, would have no natural predators, 204 00:10:37.559 --> 00:10:39.399 a population for which I definitely be a. 205 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.399 Very rare event. And when it. 206 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:45.600 Occurs, since it occurs naturally, those individuals secure themselves off 207 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:47.879 and out of the way place I often site. We 208 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:49.799 had a cat one time who got in a fight 209 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:52.639 with a neighbored cat and he got the worst of it, 210 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:56.279 and he disappeared, and he was gone. We thought, I'm 211 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.919 not a sign of it for three days until the 212 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.679 fourth day he emerged from under the master bedroom a 213 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:05.480 bed where he'd been hiding, licking his wounds all that time. 214 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.480 So animals will do that when they're old, when they're increditive, when. 215 00:11:08.360 --> 00:11:11.519 Death is near, they tend to secrete themselves off somewhere 216 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:14.399 unless they're taken by a pretator. And then secondly, you 217 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:17.440 combine that fact, the natural history fact with the organic 218 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:21.000 or biologic and eight biologic factors of the environment which 219 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:24.759 we find them, which is principally wet coniferous forests, oftentimes 220 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:27.840 in the city northwest in volcanic soils, both of which 221 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:32.600 contribute tremendously to an acidic environment. Bone is made up 222 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:36.960 of alkhol and materials, and a citic environment's quickly decomposing. 223 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:40.120 So what the chewers and gnawers. 224 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:45.159 And pack brats go and carry off is quickly deteriorated 225 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:49.080 and dispatched by the physical elements of the environment. 226 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:50.639 To I often point to. 227 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:52.799 The fact that we have a day a giant tape 228 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:57.159 on the order of Bigfoot that occupied eastern China for 229 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:58.639 a million and a half years. 230 00:11:59.240 --> 00:12:03.679 I think about that a million and a half years. 231 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.840 And yet for that entire tenure we have watch to 232 00:12:06.879 --> 00:12:09.240 show for it, and that two jaws and about a 233 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:12.279 thousand isolated teat, all of which are found in Karst 234 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:16.320 caves in Limestope caves, where they had then carried five porcupines. 235 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.440 Now in China, porcupines are only below the Yellow River. 236 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:24.240 There are caves in the northern part of China, but 237 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.639 there are no Gigantiisicus fossils from there. Because you're missing 238 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:30.919 one of the two critical elements to concentrate the skeletal remains. 239 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:32.519 You're missing the porcupine. 240 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:35.120 If it weren't for the action that cork, fine, we 241 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:38.639 wouldn't know nothing about this gigantic thousand pounds eight that 242 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.759 persisted for a million and a half years in China. 243 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:44.200 There's a lot of biases in the environment. 244 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:47.360 There's a lot of reasons why we don't necessarily have 245 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:49.200 remains of the sepot. 246 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:54.840 I was gonna say everything that Jeff said. 247 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:55.480 You wouldn't said it much better. That's what I had 248 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:55.720 to that. 249 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:58.240 The other element that was necessary for that was that 250 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:02.600 humans d declined the grave reception that there is this 251 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.360 grand search for this species. 252 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:07.559 That is not the case. It's never been the case. 253 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:08.759 There's just not a. 254 00:13:08.919 --> 00:13:11.879 Huge amount of people that are out searching for this end. 255 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.240 Go to the Big Thicket National Preserve in Salad States, 256 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.039 ask them for a permanent to conduct big Foot re 257 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:22.919 search and see what they tell you from we know 258 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.840 first end because this happened to us. So there's just 259 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.919 the search is not there. There are many people doing 260 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:32.240 this and it's never been that way. Benjamin Radford talks 261 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:35.120 about all these people Benjamin Rappords have known skeptic talks 262 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.559 about all these people throughout the last four or five 263 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.519 decades that have conducted this great search. But when I 264 00:13:41.600 --> 00:13:43.960 asked him to tell me who these people are, can 265 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:47.159 never listen. That's another reason there's no funding, and there 266 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.919 really is not any sort of coordinated search. 267 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.039 Statistically speaking, nobody's looking for bic clar nobody. 268 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:57.519 You've got fifty people in the NAWAC, half of which 269 00:13:57.519 --> 00:13:59.360 are going on a regular basis of doing it. That's 270 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:02.320 fifty people. Maybe there's another one hundred people in the 271 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:04.080 state of Texas didn't as much. 272 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:04.360 As we are. 273 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:07.039 I don't think there's anything more than that. So why 274 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:11.080 don't you find it? Because statistically speaking, nobody's looking for one. 275 00:14:10.879 --> 00:14:14.399 More reason, I think that, yes, why I think there's ignorance. 276 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:18.480 Not to be consulting, but I think it's very likely 277 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:21.039 that there have been people who have stumbled across the 278 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:25.919 skeletal remains of a dem You wouldy, but you have 279 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:29.000 to have someone who recognizes the significance of what they're seeing, 280 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:32.080 and was it the skull or something the bones that 281 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.399 they say that. I don't think that the vast majority 282 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.200 of people would recognize the significance of the bones. 283 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:41.639 Saying, oh, big animal is dead. 284 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.879 And I think people underestimating the animal as well, and 285 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:48.519 that plays into it. People have this perception it's a big, lumbering, 286 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.559 slow creature. That's entirely untrue if you look at some 287 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.159 of the more incredible reports. But these guys are seeing 288 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:59.399 these animals are highly intelligent. They're very fast, you're efficient, 289 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:01.080 and and they want to get out of site and 290 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:03.440 they can. How the way says, oh, everybody's got a 291 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:06.159 cell phone camera, how hard wouldn't be to get a picture? 292 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:08.360 I'm like, do you walk through the woods with your 293 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.639 cell phone out like this? Try to get your cell 294 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:12.879 phone out and take a picture. It takes a few seconds. 295 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.440 By then this anile's gone and it's moved into the woods. 296 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.519 You're up against a small population. It needs a very 297 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:21.759 rare sighting. When you won the lottery you get to 298 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:23.840 see it, it's two or three seconds. You don't have 299 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:26.600 time to respond that bass. So it's not as easy 300 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.960 as people think. Even though we do have technology and 301 00:15:29.000 --> 00:15:32.200 stuff on our side, we're still at a disadvantage against 302 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:34.240 them in their own territory. 303 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:36.200 One last thing I just saw on the point of 304 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:37.759 the camera. You can do this at all. This is 305 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:39.919 a little Hoole experiment. If you've got a kid, it's 306 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:41.840 perfect for that because they can be your big flub. 307 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:42.039 Right. 308 00:15:42.120 --> 00:15:43.440 What you can do is you can have a camera 309 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:44.000 sitting on. 310 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.000 The table next to you, have it turned off because 311 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:47.960 they're probably not gonna leave your camera turnout all the time, 312 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.360 and have them does a random moments run out from 313 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:54.200 behind a ouch or something, and how many times. 314 00:15:53.840 --> 00:15:56.120 They do that before you actually get a picture, and how. 315 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:57.799 Long they have to be visible to you before you 316 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:00.960 grab your camera on, pull it up, focus and pull 317 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.759 a picture. And is everything we've experienced. These sightings happen 318 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.799 in moments, they're over in seconds. You're talking about something 319 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.399 that has to go on for ten, fifteen, twenty seconds. 320 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:14.679 Those kind of encounters just don't happen. 321 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:17.200 Or they happen so frequently. Is to be just not 322 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.879 that that's every marking, especially here in the day. And 323 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.240 then of course you have delight exactly right right, you 324 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:23.919 have devil likes. 325 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.559 Well, I should point out that's probably the only kind 326 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.480 of research that should practice on your children. There's one 327 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:32.519 basically directed in our group. With as many rock running 328 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:37.480 incidence as we've experienced during operations, endurance and persistence are 329 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:40.159 there any plans to put up cameras around the cabin 330 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.360 and the surrounding close by areas? 331 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:44.679 If so, could you go into that? And if not, 332 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:45.120 why not? 333 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.639 Between two thousand and six and two thousand thirteen we 334 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:52.759 invested roughly fifty thousand dollars and the best cameras at 335 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:53.720 our Commercion move out. 336 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:57.360 I will tell you now, we have zero pictures of this. 337 00:16:58.159 --> 00:16:59.799 That's one of the things we don't know. We don't know. 338 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:03.759 Incredible good luck on their behalf, in credible bad luck 339 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:04.480 on our behalf. 340 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:08.920 Maybe they are wary of cameras. Alpha coyote males tend 341 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:09.079 to be. 342 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:12.400 There's some recent studies to show that maybe it's a 343 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:16.839 combination of camera technology is still not where it needs 344 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:17.079 to be. 345 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:19.160 And I could send that with some authority. Because I've 346 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:20.200 watched a black. 347 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:24.960 Bear for two minutes stand and just move around, sniff 348 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:29.119 between three RECONINGX cameras right in the center of me. 349 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:30.440 I'm not the only one that saw it. 350 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.400 Milke masers there, Todd's six hundred dollars cameras. 351 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:36.079 Three six hundred dollars cameras. You get so many pictures 352 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.119 we got in that black bear. 353 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.400 Zero with that, instances where we walk in front of 354 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:43.960 the cameras to change the cameras out and the camera 355 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:47.640 doesn't get a picture of us. So we're very frustrated. 356 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.759 But I will tell you that we've sold almost. 357 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:51.880 All of our cameras. We've only got a few lift. 358 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:55.440 Now we're looking at some sort of surveillance system, a 359 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:58.799 passive surveillance system. It's not triggered by ideed, it's not 360 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:03.839 triggered by motion, it's constantly going. Hopefully that provide some footage, 361 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.039 but as many there are a number of us who 362 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:08.960 don't believe footage is to do the trick signs requires 363 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:09.599 its best. 364 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:11.440 What we would have used the cameras for is to 365 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:15.119 understand how they're moving around the cabin. We know they're 366 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:17.079 out there, we know they're moving around, whether it's a 367 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:18.559 cabin or temp or whatever. In this case, it's a 368 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:20.839 pick structure, so we get attach cameras to it. We 369 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:24.200 need to know how they're doing it. It's part of 370 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.279 what's going to ultimately solve this mystery that we're looking 371 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:29.160 at different systems. Of course, we have problems out there 372 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.960 with electricity. We've got all kinds of sort of environmental issues. 373 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:33.440 If it's a rough environment, so it has to be 374 00:18:33.480 --> 00:18:34.839 a harder unit. So it's not going to be the 375 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:36.319 cheapest the one you're going to get off the shelf. 376 00:18:36.519 --> 00:18:40.039 But we are looking at that technology and hopefully successful 377 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:41.960 confidence will allow us to pike something like that. 378 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:48.480 We invested last year Robbers Persistence. We invested in a 379 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:52.079 really hot dollar I was going to say, a solar 380 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:55.920 power generation system. I gotta tell you a the three 381 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:58.000 days we were ready to keep that thing at the 382 00:18:58.039 --> 00:18:59.079 river into. 383 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:00.519 The crea because it just it. 384 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.319 Wasn't keeping up with our power requirements. We couldn't keep 385 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:06.640 the stuff charged. We couldn't keep our own personal cameras charge, 386 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:09.279 we couldn't keep audio of would be charged. So it's 387 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:11.640 quite a challenge in an environmental dad, and you're on 388 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.039 a shoe string budget and you're trying to keep everything 389 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:16.200 operating in the image, it's quite a challenge. 390 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:18.160 I was going to say that the one way we 391 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:20.720 could raise money is by field testing pables stuff like that. 392 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:22.279 We had one of these things that looked up to 393 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:24.240 a solar thing. The battery was full charger. I plugged 394 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:25.599 my computer and in it was suck a drying meat 395 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:27.440 and it was gone, Yeah, we're on the laptops out 396 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:29.559 with being canned. Electricity is a huge challenge for us 397 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:29.960 out there. 398 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.720 I point out too, we're operating in an area where 399 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.799 we know there are mountain mins. We've never gotten one 400 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:41.440 picture of a mountain line either, and they do exist. Okay, 401 00:19:41.640 --> 00:19:44.200