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<v Speaker 1>Hi, This is Mitch Goldstein from Venice, Florida, and I

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<v Speaker 1>play at Rotanda Golf Course in beautiful Southwest Florida. This

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<v Speaker 1>is golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Smarter number four hundred and sixty three, published on

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<v Speaker 2>November eighteen, twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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<v Speaker 3>insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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<v Speaker 3>Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our

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<v Speaker 3>interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations

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<v Speaker 1>I don't hit the ball very long.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say I probably reach around two sixty yards

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<v Speaker 4>in your terminology, but I hit it very straight. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't miss too many fairways. I don't miss too many grains.

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<v Speaker 4>If there's parts that I can look at, which playing

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<v Speaker 4>tournaments helps you do, because if you're not learning, there's

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<v Speaker 4>no point playing golf. Sure, game's got a bit of

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<v Speaker 4>work to do of pitching and chipping, and that's having

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<v Speaker 4>your podcast has helped me that way.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been some great people.

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<v Speaker 4>I pick up little tips all the time from your podcast,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it be even Dennis with the hands going back,

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<v Speaker 4>hands going forward, or Tony Manzoni who with the body

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<v Speaker 4>turn and also with mental with Joseph parent and that

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<v Speaker 4>you pick up tips all the time and if you're

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<v Speaker 4>not not learning, as I said, you're not playing golf.

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<v Speaker 1>Just short game and putting.

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<v Speaker 4>They're the only two parts that I've really got to

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<v Speaker 4>pick up on to help me get to the next level.

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<v Speaker 2>Struggling to make the tour with Australian pro Darren Garrett.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers

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<v Speaker 3>and golf professionals to.

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<v Speaker 2>Help lower your score. It's worked for your host, Fred Green.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome with the Golf Smarter podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Jarin Good ay, Fred, how are we?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? We are very happy to hear. Gooday.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's a nice beautiful morning down here in Perth, Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>And here in Northern California. The sun is about to

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<v Speaker 2>go down.

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<v Speaker 1>Got a lot of time difference, don't you.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I love scape that we can do this and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to cost either of us anything to make

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<v Speaker 2>the phone call because I really want to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm looking forward to talking to you as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Right well, thank you very much for reaching out. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of touched that you were listening and that

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to share your story. I find it very interesting. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>you are a golf touring pro wannabe.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I've done my trainee ship through the PGA of Australia,

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<v Speaker 4>so I can teach as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but basically.

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<v Speaker 4>It's in my heart to go on to go and

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<v Speaker 4>play across the world. I've been to various places throughout

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<v Speaker 4>the world, namely through Asia and the South, but there's

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<v Speaker 4>just a part of me that there's always want to

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<v Speaker 4>play the game, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>I love to teach as well.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great seeing kids with a smile on their face

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<v Speaker 4>after you give them a good lesson, or even even adults.

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<v Speaker 4>But there's just a place in my heart that always

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<v Speaker 4>wants to play and it's hard to get rid of sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so you're you're too competitive. You need to

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<v Speaker 2>get out there and compete.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>I see days where it's beautiful sunshine and I might

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<v Speaker 4>be doing something else, in my heart's going what are

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<v Speaker 4>you doing here? You should be out on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>Get the work done first. Yes, absolutely, tell me how

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<v Speaker 2>long have you been playing golf?

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<v Speaker 4>I've been playing since I was age ten, so twenty

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<v Speaker 4>eight years okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And at what point did you get it in your

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<v Speaker 2>head that you wanted to play competitively well?

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<v Speaker 4>As a youngster, I was doing t ball and baseball

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<v Speaker 4>for a long time, and we just had a season

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<v Speaker 4>where the coach was favoring his son as a pitcher

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<v Speaker 4>and we were losing basically every match, and it just

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't fun anymore. And because I'm a saw loser, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy to admit that, I wanted to do something

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<v Speaker 4>by myself. And at that time, I'd been playing golf

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<v Speaker 4>sort of at a little club over in Victoria, just

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<v Speaker 4>a little nine hole place with my father, and when

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<v Speaker 4>we moved over to wa Weather's beautiful over here, just

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<v Speaker 4>decided to take it a bit more seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>And so, okay, I saw a loser competitive How did

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<v Speaker 2>you start competing in golf when you were young as well?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, over here we have what's called the Graham Marsh

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<v Speaker 4>Junior Golf Foundation and they house local tournaments for young

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<v Speaker 4>kids up to the age of eighteen. So I just

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<v Speaker 4>became a member of a private golf course called Lake

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<v Speaker 4>As Country Club and then started playing those junior tournaments

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<v Speaker 4>and just kept developing friends and also started playing golf

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<v Speaker 4>better and better, and then it just took off from there.

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<v Speaker 2>And how well did you do in the junior tournaments?

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<v Speaker 4>I want to I want a couple, But basically I

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<v Speaker 4>did well enough that I got my handicapped down to

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<v Speaker 4>scratch by the time I was eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, yeah, okay, and then go ahead, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>And then before I before I turned pro, I was

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<v Speaker 4>plus three mm, so that that also fueled the fire

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<v Speaker 4>of wanting to see how how well I could do

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<v Speaker 4>as a as a golf professional.

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<v Speaker 2>So is this just more of a g I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>how I could do? Or is it okay, get out

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<v Speaker 2>of my way, I'm going to take this place over.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a bit of both.

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<v Speaker 4>I think probably a lot of people saw it as

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<v Speaker 4>g I wonder how well he going to do, whereas

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<v Speaker 4>inside of me it's sort of, well, all right, let's

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<v Speaker 4>go see how well we can be, and let's see

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<v Speaker 4>how good we are against some of these top guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's the highest level you've competed at so far.

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<v Speaker 4>I went to Asian Q School in January last year.

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<v Speaker 4>That was unbelievable to be on a tour at that

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<v Speaker 4>level where everything's looked after for you. I was lucky

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<v Speaker 4>enough to stay at the resort where they were playing

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<v Speaker 4>the Q School, so all you had to do is

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<v Speaker 4>and get ready to play a game. And that was

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<v Speaker 4>just just unbelievable how.

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<v Speaker 1>Different you looked after as opposed to some.

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<v Speaker 4>Other places of where I've played and associations that have

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<v Speaker 4>looked after me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really familiar how Q school works. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>give me a rundown and walk me through what it entails?

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<v Speaker 1>And okay?

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<v Speaker 4>So with as and Q School, we had seven hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and forty guys start off in first stage. So generally

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<v Speaker 4>generally they run in two stages. I know with American

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<v Speaker 4>now it goes to the web dot com. But with

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<v Speaker 4>the American twur schools they go through four or five stages.

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<v Speaker 4>But with the one in Asia, it was only two stages.

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<v Speaker 4>So when I went up there, there was it was

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<v Speaker 4>spread over two weeks of first stage, so there was

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<v Speaker 4>about one hundred and fifty guys at each of the

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<v Speaker 4>five courses.

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<v Speaker 1>We played four rounds.

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<v Speaker 4>After two rounds there was a cut of eighty guys,

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<v Speaker 4>so basically went in half from one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 4>to eighty, and then after that it was the top

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<v Speaker 4>twenty percent of guys who entered went through to the

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<v Speaker 4>second stage all final stage.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, did you say there was seven hundred and forty.

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<v Speaker 1>To start, seven hundred and forty that started, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So what happened to them on that first or

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<v Speaker 2>do they're all playing different courses all the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>All playing different courses all at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I see, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So what if you got into the top twenty percent,

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<v Speaker 4>then you would continue on to the next stage, which

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<v Speaker 4>is final stage. If you didn't get in the top

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<v Speaker 4>twenty percent, that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>You finished.

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<v Speaker 2>You're done.

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<v Speaker 1>You're done. Whether it's twenty shots or one shot, you're done, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you're done, do you get to try to

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<v Speaker 2>come back next year? Or they're saying thank you very much, see.

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<v Speaker 4>You, thank you very much, see you for this year,

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<v Speaker 4>over this year. Yeah, and then you can go back

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<v Speaker 4>the following year.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you go back, what do you just fill

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<v Speaker 2>out paperwork or do you have to In my business

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<v Speaker 2>we call it audition do what do you have to do? Tickets?

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<v Speaker 4>But well, playing is basically our audition. But what you

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<v Speaker 4>have to do is just fill in paperwork, make sure

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<v Speaker 4>you pay the right fees, and then find a flight

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<v Speaker 4>and make sure you do all the proper visas, make

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<v Speaker 4>sure you get your accommodation sorted out.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just a lot more than just playing playing golf.

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<v Speaker 4>So with me, when I went up to Thailand, I

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<v Speaker 4>flew Thai airways that left from Perth straight to Bangkok.

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<v Speaker 4>I could have gone from Perth to Singapore, then Singapore

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<v Speaker 4>to Bangkok, but just really being in one plane direct

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<v Speaker 4>flight was the most appropriate thing, rather than spending a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of hours or three hours in an airport trying

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<v Speaker 4>to find your way through and then maybe having to

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<v Speaker 4>go through customs. And it's just that added rigmarole that

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<v Speaker 4>you don't necessarily want.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm kind of curious because I remember how long

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<v Speaker 2>it took me to fly from Santa Francisco on the

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<v Speaker 2>West coast of the US down to Bangkok. Yeah, how

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<v Speaker 2>long is it from the west coast of Australia to

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<v Speaker 2>be eight hours? Eight hours? That it's a shorter flight, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>From the West coast of Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot easier through Asia than it is through

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<v Speaker 4>through even the East Coast. I think the East Coast

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<v Speaker 4>of Australia is probably eleven or twelve something like that,

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<v Speaker 4>because you can't necessarily get direct flight from where you are,

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<v Speaker 4>so if you're in Brisbane, you might have to go

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<v Speaker 4>to Sydney first and then then up to Bangkok.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, so let's go all right. That was one

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<v Speaker 2>of my very famous whoops going in the other direction.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get back to.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye travels, right, that's all right.

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<v Speaker 4>So I went got into Bangkok and then I took

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<v Speaker 4>a two and a half our bus ride that the

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<v Speaker 4>Asian Tour provided for us down to Huahin, which is

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<v Speaker 4>a small coastal town in Thailand, and it's absolutely beautif

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<v Speaker 4>for there if any of your any of your listeners

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<v Speaker 4>get a chance to go to Thailand and play in Wahin,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just beautiful. I played at Springville Village, but we

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<v Speaker 4>also had Black Mountain Banyon. I think there's a course

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<v Speaker 4>Royal Thay Navy, which I don't know if people can

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<v Speaker 4>get onto, or there was also Imperial Lakeview, but all

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<v Speaker 4>through that area is just absolutely beautiful. And then there's

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<v Speaker 4>also working on the visas. You've got to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>that you have the correct paperwork, otherwise I won't let

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<v Speaker 4>you into the country's And that's basically it. And then

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<v Speaker 4>once you get to the once you get to the tournament,

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<v Speaker 4>you just basically play golf.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually got to play in pouquette at the Blue

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<v Speaker 2>Canyon Country Club. Yeah, in two thousand and seven. There's

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<v Speaker 2>actually episode numbers seventy eight of Golf Smarter is my

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<v Speaker 2>interview with their director of golf there and I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happens now you're paying for everything? Yes, when

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<v Speaker 2>you're headed out there, yes, And this is great for them,

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<v Speaker 2>it's great. Oh good, Now you're gonna keep paying us

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<v Speaker 2>and you gotta fly and you got to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>a year overnight and just hoping. I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 4>Are you no money whatsoever? So basically in a round

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<v Speaker 4>ballpark figure, it cost me five thousand dollars to go

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA, yeah, that's quite the investment.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it is it could be it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's gambling basically, because if you don't make the cut,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it. You got to win another year and then

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to come up with another five grand.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, basically, yes, and I had a chance going into

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<v Speaker 4>the final round. I shot seventy two seventy three and

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<v Speaker 4>was in that twenty percent. I hit two bad shots

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<v Speaker 4>by two shots.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm so sorry. Oh that's terrible. I'm sorry, But

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<v Speaker 2>that's golf. Yes, it is, especially you look at your

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden you made two bad shots.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think I think I had an uneasy sleep

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<v Speaker 4>the night before because i've because of the position I

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<v Speaker 4>And then you get up on the first tee, hit

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<v Speaker 4>a good drive, second shot was all right and made

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<v Speaker 4>six out of nowhere, and when it boils down to it,

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<v Speaker 4>those were the two shots.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Oh man, I see I couldn't. That would not

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<v Speaker 2>go well with me. Now were you getting support from

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<v Speaker 2>home of doing this or were you all on your own.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm fortunate enough to work for a company that will

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<v Speaker 4>a boss in particular that allows me to play my golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, when I'm working for Richard at a fast food place.

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<v Speaker 4>If I'm not working for him, I play golf. If

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not playing golf, I work for him.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, you work in the fast food industry.

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<v Speaker 4>I work in the fast food industry. I actually clean

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<v Speaker 4>a restaurant for Richard. I start work at three in

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<v Speaker 4>the morning and finish at eleven in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>So it allows you to play golf in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Plays golf in the afternoon.

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<v Speaker 4>But man, it's tough getting up at quarter pass two

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<v Speaker 4>five days a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh yeah, it's very It really messes with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's got to make it tough to play golf

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<v Speaker 2>well too, if you're exhausted.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I've I think personally I'm used to it

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<v Speaker 4>from the fact that that's what I've been doing all

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<v Speaker 4>my golf life. Because you play golf during the day,

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<v Speaker 4>you work nights. So whether you work at four in

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<v Speaker 4>the afternoon to midnight or what I'm doing now, I

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<v Speaker 4>think your body's used to the fact that you do

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<v Speaker 4>your golf during the day and you work at nights.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So you didn't make the cut that time, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't make the cut. How many tries? How many

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<v Speaker 2>times have you been to tour school trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>the cut?

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<v Speaker 4>That was my first up in Asia. I'm planning to

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<v Speaker 4>go to Q School in Australia in December and then

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<v Speaker 4>we'll just see how my wallet is situated. I know

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<v Speaker 4>the PGA Tour have now developed a school a tour

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<v Speaker 4>in China and there's also Canada as well, so we'll

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<v Speaker 4>just see how things go over the next next couple

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<v Speaker 4>of months as to what we can do with regards

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<v Speaker 4>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>So you've only been to tour school the Q School once. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make it. But are you still able to play

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<v Speaker 2>competitively in tournaments and that possibly can help your earnings?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Absolutely. We just finish.

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<v Speaker 4>What are the West Australian Open here in Perth which

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<v Speaker 4>is part of the PGA Tour of Australasia. Ryan Fox

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<v Speaker 4>from New Zealand one with an impressive score of twenty

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<v Speaker 4>three under for four rounds. Wow, yeah, I play. I

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<v Speaker 4>was really happy with how I played. I shot rounds

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<v Speaker 4>of seventy two to seventy and missed the cut by one.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh so yeah, so three under was the cut and

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<v Speaker 4>we were all shaking our heads because I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>maybe the lowest cut on the Australasian Tour in history.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not one hundred percent certain on that, but I

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<v Speaker 4>believe that could be the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Close to no cigar one more time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so you always always you always, you always rude.

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<v Speaker 4>The parts you miss are not the ones you get,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, had I had an eight footer eight foot

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<v Speaker 4>on the last for Birdie to make the cart and

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<v Speaker 4>I just missed the edge.

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<v Speaker 2>So and we complain here about missing a pot or

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<v Speaker 2>two around, it's like, oh, I could have had a

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<v Speaker 2>broken ninety if I just oh man, how often do

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<v Speaker 2>you get to play competitively.

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<v Speaker 4>In West Coast of Australia is tough. We've got basically

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<v Speaker 4>two months over May and April that we that we play,

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<v Speaker 4>and then we've got the Ouscilation Tour coming around for

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<v Speaker 4>the three weeks this week this time we've got the

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<v Speaker 4>Perth International, which I tried to preq for.

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>I shot seventy five, but I had to have shot

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<v Speaker 4>sixty seven to get into the field for that one.

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<v Speaker 4>They only offered up four spots. So generally with prequalifications

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<v Speaker 4>for tournaments, you might have X amount of spots that

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<v Speaker 4>are available to go into the tournament. The West Australian

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<v Speaker 4>Open one we had about twenty four spots and there

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<v Speaker 4>were seventy six guys going for those twenty four spots.

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<v Speaker 4>Yesterday with a Perth International, we only had four spots

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<v Speaker 4>available and there was about eighty guys going for that one,

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<v Speaker 4>and then next week in Calgooley they're still tossing up

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<v Speaker 4>whether or not to have a pre qualification. At this

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<v Speaker 4>point in time it is, so there's probably going to

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<v Speaker 4>be about I think it's about forty spots and about

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<v Speaker 4>forty six people gone for that spot, so there will

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<v Speaker 4>be six people that miss out.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you're not one of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the way I'm playing at the moment, I won't be.

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<v Speaker 2>No. Oh good good, Okay. So now the father in

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<v Speaker 2>me is going to ask a question that many fathers

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<v Speaker 2>are thinking about right now. How long are you going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to try to do this and keep coming

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<v Speaker 2>up with five thousand dollars to try to get you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on past Q school. Are you giving yourself a deadline

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<v Speaker 2>to say, you know what, I've tried it four years,

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<v Speaker 2>five years, eight years, ten years, I'm done? Or do

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<v Speaker 2>you not even go there?

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<v Speaker 4>I actually did that with Asia. I got to a

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<v Speaker 4>point where Okay, I've had enough. But there's a part

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<v Speaker 4>of me that just says I got to keep going,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's just hard to turn off. Like I'd love

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<v Speaker 4>to just go and teach golf, but there's just this

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<v Speaker 4>part in my in my heart that wants to see

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<v Speaker 4>me out there playing and mixing with the guys. It's

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<v Speaker 4>sort of where I feel home and judging after last

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<v Speaker 4>week to only missed a couple by one, I know

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<v Speaker 4>that I can, I can mix it with him, and

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<v Speaker 4>I suppose that's that's the other part, Like if I

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<v Speaker 4>had to play it last week and shot two really

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<v Speaker 4>bad scores, well, then it's probably easier to to say no, we'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Go down a different path.

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<v Speaker 4>But when he get so close to continue on to

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<v Speaker 4>the afternoon, then it drives you a little bit further.

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<v Speaker 4>So I would like I would like to say to you, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a cutoff time of when I turned forty, which

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<v Speaker 4>is a couple of years. But I could get to

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<v Speaker 4>forty and still be playing great golf and my heart

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<v Speaker 4>still wants to go in it. It's just something that

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<v Speaker 4>you can't turn off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're at an age now where you know

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<v Speaker 2>the most guys who are on the tour, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>including Tiger. You know, we talk about him too much,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's still he's still the name out there. You're

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<v Speaker 2>getting to an age where it's going to be tough

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<v Speaker 2>to compete with these young guns.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's going to be tough to compete with Tiger

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<v Speaker 4>even when I turned fifty as well. So I don't

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<v Speaker 4>even get a break that way. Yeah, yeah, But when

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<v Speaker 4>you get to a certain age, unless unless you've done

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<v Speaker 4>really well, I think your mind, hopefully your mind tells

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<v Speaker 4>you that enough is enough?

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<v Speaker 2>Are there ways for you to keep your expenses down?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you talk about five thousand dollars, Is that five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars the overall cost to go through Q school

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<v Speaker 2>or is that something that you have to pay to

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<v Speaker 2>them to get in on the tournament and get a chance.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, the five thousand dollars was the overall it was

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<v Speaker 4>about it was roughly about two thousand dollars Australian to

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<v Speaker 4>enter the tournament, and then of course you add your airfares,

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<v Speaker 4>your accommodation, your visas and all that. So that was

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<v Speaker 4>the overall and just basically work working, you're through just

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<v Speaker 4>being able to work for Richard and save up a

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<v Speaker 4>bit of money. That way helps me get to specific

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<v Speaker 4>tournaments next week. For example, we're in Cawgooley, which is

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<v Speaker 4>about if you're driving about six and a half hours

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<v Speaker 4>due west of Perth, and I'm flying there and it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to cost me six hundred dollars airfare return, so

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<v Speaker 4>I've basically got to make the cart and probably finish

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<v Speaker 4>in the top top twenty to make my money back.

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<v Speaker 2>So in Q school, there's money to be won.

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<v Speaker 4>Not in Q school, it's not until you actually not

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<v Speaker 4>until you actually get on tour. Once you get onto

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<v Speaker 4>a tour like Asian Tour or US tours, then when

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<v Speaker 4>you start getting paid some of the money for endorsing

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<v Speaker 4>clubs using using tailor made using titleists, than a sponsor

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<v Speaker 4>will come along so you can have their name on

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<v Speaker 4>your shirt. That's when you start making the money. But

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<v Speaker 4>until that point you've basically left to your own devices.

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<v Speaker 2>So you are not getting any sponsorship endorsement at all

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<v Speaker 2>at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Not at this point except from except from Richard, which.

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<v Speaker 2>Was going to say except from Richard, Yes, does he

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<v Speaker 2>do you get to wear a shirt that has his

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<v Speaker 2>fast food restaurant on your shirt while you're playing it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? I do? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh good, yeah, yeah, I hope he doesn't charge you

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<v Speaker 2>for the shirts.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, he gets a lot of joy seeing me

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<v Speaker 1>do do well.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's nice. That's nice. So what can you do

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<v Speaker 2>to keep your expenses reasonable?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit hard from the west coast of Australia, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because if you can drive cross country right.

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<v Speaker 4>No, Well, as I said, it's six hours to cat

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<v Speaker 4>Gully and that's still in our state. Basically, it basically

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<v Speaker 4>takes three to get to Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>It will take three days.

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<v Speaker 4>Adelaide you can do in two, and Brisbane's probably about four.

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<v Speaker 4>But even with driving, there's there's costs of fuel of course,

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<v Speaker 4>accommodation like there's you play whatever top price there is

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<v Speaker 4>over the nullball for accommodation because you're so far away

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<v Speaker 4>from basically civilization. But even airfares, it's actually cheaper to

431
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<v Speaker 4>fly to Bali return it it is to fly within Australia.

432
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<v Speaker 2>Do you have anybodies that are also attempting to do

433
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<v Speaker 2>this so that you can travel with them and share expenses.

434
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, there's quite a few of us.

435
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<v Speaker 4>So when I went up to Asia, there was quite

436
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<v Speaker 4>a few guys from Australia, so we shared accommodation, which

437
00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:12.480
<v Speaker 4>helped keep it down a bit. And generally when we

438
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<v Speaker 4>play tournaments within our own state, we'll either drive with

439
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<v Speaker 4>each other or stay in rooms together, just to try

440
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<v Speaker 4>and keep costs down because even in some of the

441
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<v Speaker 4>some of the places, like when you go up to

442
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<v Speaker 4>Port Headlin and Kartha in the far North with the

443
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<v Speaker 4>mining and all that, there's very little accommodation available, and

444
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<v Speaker 4>whatever accommodation there is, they could charge you three to

445
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<v Speaker 4>four hundred dollars a night. And that's not in a

446
00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:47.000
<v Speaker 4>that's not in a flash hotel either, whoa so. And

447
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:50.119
<v Speaker 4>most of the time when we go up to those places,

448
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.079
<v Speaker 4>the members of the course will look after us, so

449
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:58.240
<v Speaker 4>we get billeted into their houses and that helps immensely.

450
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<v Speaker 2>Does a class more to play in some tournaments and others?

451
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<v Speaker 2>And how would you make a decision of which ones

452
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<v Speaker 2>to play?

453
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it does like some of the local ones aren't

454
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<v Speaker 4>too bad. The one that I'm playing today is at

455
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<v Speaker 4>Lakelands is a fifteen thousand dollars tournament, and that'll cost me.

456
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<v Speaker 4>I think it's about twenty dollars to enter with.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Eighteen thousand dollars prize money.

458
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<v Speaker 4>With a fifteen thousand dollars prize money yet, but they

459
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<v Speaker 4>get that prize money through sponsors, so they'll have a sponsor,

460
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:36.279
<v Speaker 4>they might have a couple of sponsors put up that

461
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<v Speaker 4>fifteen thousand dollars.

462
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<v Speaker 2>And does that twenty dollars cover if you make the

463
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<v Speaker 2>cut all four rounds?

464
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<v Speaker 1>Well, the twenty dollars is only for a one round tournament.

465
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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, So we've just basically got a one day

466
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<v Speaker 4>pro am where we'll look after sponsors or amateurs, play

467
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:56.400
<v Speaker 4>with them, try to play the best we can. But

468
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<v Speaker 4>we also like to give out for most of us

469
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<v Speaker 4>as teachings or club pros. If the amateurs are having troubles,

470
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:05.720
<v Speaker 4>we like to hand out tips while we're going around.

471
00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.519
<v Speaker 4>So that's yeah, Well, that's one good part about having

472
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:15.440
<v Speaker 4>pro ams. And the best part about golf is someone

473
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 4>like myself can play in the same group as someone

474
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:20.799
<v Speaker 4>like yourself, Fred who's on a different level, and there

475
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:23.559
<v Speaker 4>might be might be a guy of single figures, there

476
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 4>might be a guy that hasn't played before. And that's

477
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:30.599
<v Speaker 4>the best part about pri ams. It's just helping other

478
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:34.000
<v Speaker 4>people learn and grow their love for the game.

479
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I'm sorry, I just don't believe you that

480
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:40.680
<v Speaker 2>when you say somebody who's never played before, you were

481
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<v Speaker 2>enjoying yourself.

482
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

483
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<v Speaker 4>Well there was one time when we were playing up

484
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.960
<v Speaker 4>at Newman in the Far North and I had a

485
00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:53.240
<v Speaker 4>lady who sponsored the tournament who had never touched the

486
00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:58.440
<v Speaker 4>golf club before, and to try and help her sort

487
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:01.039
<v Speaker 4>of at least hit the ball, hit the ball forward.

488
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 4>Took a fair bit of time, as well as trying

489
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.079
<v Speaker 4>to maintain your concentration on your game as well.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Sounds painful. I admire your patients. If you can get

491
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<v Speaker 2>through that, well.

492
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.480
<v Speaker 4>I think that's one good part about being a teaching

493
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:22.599
<v Speaker 4>pro as well, as you've got to have the patience

494
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.960
<v Speaker 4>and at the level where if you're not on the

495
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 4>main circuit where you get to play with the pros

496
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 4>all the time, so you've got to play on a

497
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 4>pro am circuit. You come across that, and if you're

498
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:39.680
<v Speaker 4>someone who's not not got that patience or done that

499
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 4>level of experience of teaching, it can be quite hard.

500
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:49.519
<v Speaker 4>But doing it as I have, it's quite easy.

501
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, more power to you, my friend. That's crazy. Well,

502
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.480
<v Speaker 2>are there any things about touring school Q School? The

503
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:05.119
<v Speaker 2>tour school in Q school are the same things right, yes, okay,

504
00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

505
00:29:06.119 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 4>We probably have different names for it. You see this

506
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 4>tour school week, call it as Q School.

507
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So are there any things that surprised you when

508
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>you first when you did your first one that you

509
00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:19.680
<v Speaker 2>weren't anticipating.

510
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think the more the business like approach that

511
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 4>all the pros have, Whereas when we play on the

512
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:32.799
<v Speaker 4>little pro am circuit that we've got here, we're all

513
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:34.839
<v Speaker 4>friends and we all get along and we all.

514
00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Go have a drink afterwards and all that.

515
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 4>Whereas when I went up to Q School, it was

516
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:40.880
<v Speaker 4>all business, which is understandable.

517
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:41.759
<v Speaker 1>We're all playing for.

518
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:45.599
<v Speaker 4>Our futures, so we all go into our own things.

519
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.359
<v Speaker 2>But what happens, I mean, what kind of how did

520
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:53.480
<v Speaker 2>their attitudes change? How do they change? I guess getting

521
00:29:53.519 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 2>your game face on?

522
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 1>That's it.

523
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.119
<v Speaker 4>That's basically it. This is your playing for your life

524
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 4>and if you might around now, there's there's no turning back.

525
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.400
<v Speaker 4>You go out, you play golf for the best of

526
00:30:05.440 --> 00:30:07.720
<v Speaker 4>your ability, and and you.

527
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Go out and try.

528
00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying that they weren't trying, but you just

529
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:18.759
<v Speaker 4>have this different, different approach, very interesting, where every shot counts,

530
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:20.799
<v Speaker 4>every shot counts.

531
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<v Speaker 2>And you are teaching, You were, you were earning some

532
00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 2>money doing teaching as well.

533
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.400
<v Speaker 4>Not at the moment I'm having I'm having enough fun

534
00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:35.000
<v Speaker 4>doing the cleaning at the restaurant and playing afterwards. Yeah,

535
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:38.039
<v Speaker 4>and practice, So I really don't have time for teaching.

536
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:42.039
<v Speaker 2>So what's your strength in your game? Not in your cleaning,

537
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:46.799
<v Speaker 2>but what is what is your strength of your game

538
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:50.359
<v Speaker 2>that makes you feel like you're This can set you

539
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>apart and make you good enough to play professionally.

540
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 1>I hit the ball very straight.

541
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Ooh nice, I don't.

542
00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:01.319
<v Speaker 4>I don't hit the ball very long. I would say

543
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:09.000
<v Speaker 4>I probably average around two sixty yards in your terminology, sure,

544
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:12.720
<v Speaker 4>but I hit it very straight. I don't miss too

545
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.359
<v Speaker 4>many fairways, I don't miss too many greens. If there's

546
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:20.960
<v Speaker 4>parts that I can look at, which playing tournaments helps

547
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 4>you do, because if you're not learning, there's no point

548
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 4>playing golf. So short game's got a bit of work

549
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:31.480
<v Speaker 4>to do, pitching and chipping, and that's having your podcast

550
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:33.759
<v Speaker 4>has helped me that way. There's been some great people

551
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:38.200
<v Speaker 4>with I pick up little tips all the time from

552
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 4>your podcast, whether it be even Dennis with the hands

553
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 4>going back, hands going forward, or Tony Manzoni who with

554
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:52.960
<v Speaker 4>the body turn and also with mental with Joseph parent

555
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:55.880
<v Speaker 4>and that you pick up tips all the time. And

556
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.480
<v Speaker 4>if you're not learning, not learning, as I said, you're

557
00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 4>not playing golf, and just short game and putting. They're

558
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.559
<v Speaker 4>the only two parts that I've really got to pick

559
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.200
<v Speaker 4>up on to help me get to the next level.

560
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:18.759
<v Speaker 2>You know, it seems like at any level, the short

561
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>game and putting is what's going to hold most people back.

562
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh.

563
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:27.079
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, you can't afford to three part at the top level.

564
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.119
<v Speaker 1>No, and I did.

565
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.400
<v Speaker 4>I was well to say that I only had one

566
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.160
<v Speaker 4>three part at the thirty six holes in the last

567
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 4>tournament was pretty good, but that three point eventually cost

568
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:39.839
<v Speaker 4>me the.

569
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Cut.

570
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.160
<v Speaker 4>And that three part was only from ten feet because

571
00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:45.319
<v Speaker 4>I got a little bit aggressive.

572
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, three pint from sixty seventy feet, I understand,

573
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:52.960
<v Speaker 2>But from ten feet that's painful.

574
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 4>Yep, hit at about three or four feet, pass and

575
00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:57.680
<v Speaker 4>then miss it coming back.

576
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.799
<v Speaker 2>So I guess for that level you want to stay

577
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.119
<v Speaker 2>under thirty puts, under twenty eight puts around Where do

578
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 2>you want to be as far as the number of

579
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:08.960
<v Speaker 2>parts you haven't.

580
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Around under thirty?

581
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:11.359
<v Speaker 2>Under thirty?

582
00:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think I think for a pro you need

583
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 4>to be between twenty seven and thirty and you got

584
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.279
<v Speaker 4>to hit a lot of fairways and greens, a lot

585
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:23.200
<v Speaker 4>of fairways, a lot of greens, unless you're.

586
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Bubba Watson.

587
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:26.519
<v Speaker 2>And then you just hit it far.

588
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 4>Then you just hit it anywhere and just make it

589
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:32.680
<v Speaker 4>up as you go along. That's how it appears to me.

590
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Anyway.

591
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Do you find him to be one of the more

592
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 2>creative people on playing today?

593
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Absolutely?

594
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Speaker 4>That hook shot from a from the trees that Augusta

595
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 4>was just unbelievable.

596
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

597
00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.119
<v Speaker 4>I don't think I've seen anyone play that type of shot.

598
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.319
<v Speaker 4>Maybe maybe Tiger might have the ability to do it

599
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:58.319
<v Speaker 4>when he was on top right, but no he was.

600
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 1>That was believable.

601
00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>So you hit it straight. But are you accurate?

602
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

603
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.800
<v Speaker 2>Because that there's two Those are two different things, aren't they?

604
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>They are two different things. Absolutely. Yes.

605
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.679
<v Speaker 4>Yesterday when I played the pre qualification for the Perth International,

606
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.239
<v Speaker 4>I hit fifteen grains.

607
00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:21.840
<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah, I had.

608
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 4>I had full three parts, but that's in a different environment.

609
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:27.920
<v Speaker 4>When you've only got four guys going through, you have

610
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 4>to go.

611
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Full ball all day.

612
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:33.440
<v Speaker 4>So you're very aggressive, very aggressive, a lot more aggressive

613
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.559
<v Speaker 4>than what you would be normally interesting.

614
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, what do you tell somebody? I had an email

615
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 2>today from a listener and thank you very much for listening.

616
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm flattered that you've you've found some useful information on

617
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 2>the podcast. That's that's really nice. But here's somebody who's

618
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:53.920
<v Speaker 2>been listening for a while and he says, no, matter

619
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.400
<v Speaker 2>what I've tried, and he's written this before, and he

620
00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.280
<v Speaker 2>cracks me up. Open stands, closed stands, stand so the

621
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.239
<v Speaker 2>ball stand far from the ball, weight on my heels,

622
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 2>wait on my toes, wide stands, narrow stands, taking a

623
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:09.840
<v Speaker 2>long backswing. He's so frustrated. And you know, when I

624
00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:11.480
<v Speaker 2>was saying, well what about your short game? How are

625
00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:13.480
<v Speaker 2>you doing? He goes, I just want to hit it

626
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 2>longer and straighter. Right, how is that really the goal?

627
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>You want to hit longer and straighter I mean straighter, yes,

628
00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 2>But is longer really the ultimate goal for players who

629
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Speaker 2>are getting up in age?

630
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 4>Well, it depends on what level you want to be.

631
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:37.960
<v Speaker 4>I found that I was about twenty to thirty yards

632
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:39.800
<v Speaker 4>short of where I needed to be to be on

633
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 4>the Asian circuit.

634
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.639
<v Speaker 2>And that's just on your drives you talk to just

635
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.559
<v Speaker 2>on my drives. Yeah, I would think it's like that's

636
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>where the distance is. The most important is that first shot,

637
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:55.599
<v Speaker 2>but after that you've got a lot of other clubs

638
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 2>in your bag to help you out.

639
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, and that's where short short game is priority.

640
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 1>But to that guy that you've just asked.

641
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 4>Me about, Stu you're listening, I think that's where the

642
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:20.280
<v Speaker 4>US Tour and other tours sort of promote that sort

643
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 4>of thing where they put a high emphasis on Bubba

644
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 4>hitting at three hundred and fifty yards or three hundred

645
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 4>and sixty yards, so when people go out, they want

646
00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 4>to hit that long ball and don't realize that it

647
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 4>doesn't matter so long as I can find a way

648
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 4>to get the ball in the hole and.

649
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:40.320
<v Speaker 1>The fewest shots possible.

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00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:44.480
<v Speaker 4>Whether it's being able to get up and down from

651
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:48.039
<v Speaker 4>fifty meters all the time, or I only hit my

652
00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 4>drives two hundred meters but I hit them straight and

653
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 4>then hit the next one on the green and hold apart,

654
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<v Speaker 4>I don't honestly, I don't think it matters. But I

655
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.800
<v Speaker 4>think the US well I'm just specifying the US too,

656
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<v Speaker 4>but there are other tours out there that you hear

657
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:07.760
<v Speaker 4>When Gary McColl and plaid a cost us all the

658
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.559
<v Speaker 4>time saying, Wow, he's hit that three hundred ninety yachts,

659
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:13.880
<v Speaker 4>and I think that's just makes everyone else go, well,

660
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<v Speaker 4>I need to hit at that fine. And it even

661
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.039
<v Speaker 4>affected made to that point. I spent probably last yeh

662
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 4>on a chase yachtich where where I shouldn't have. I

663
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:25.559
<v Speaker 4>should have been focusing in other areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And you know, it makes me think that maybe,

665
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<v Speaker 2>just maybe that this emphasis on distance is part is

666
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>part of what's contributing to so many people leaving the game.

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00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 2>You know. I mean there's no golf courses being built

668
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.920
<v Speaker 2>in this country. There was this huge, uh you know,

669
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 2>onslaught of construction being done because they wanted to make

670
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.159
<v Speaker 2>longer courses and longer courses and seven thousand yard courses.

671
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.079
<v Speaker 2>And most people, you know, they're quitting. They're like, I

672
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.679
<v Speaker 2>can't play this, can't hit it. Well I can't, you know.

673
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<v Speaker 2>And so with all this emphasis on going along all

674
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the time, maybe that's what's turning people away from it.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got to disagree with you on that point, Fred, please.

676
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<v Speaker 4>I actually think it's the length of time that we're taking.

677
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>To play golf.

678
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Turning people away.

679
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>I think so.

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00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so how do we do how do we fix that?

681
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Honestly don't know to.

682
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:34.960
<v Speaker 4>I know that yesterday when I played, we took five

683
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 4>hours in a full ball to play eight eight holes.

684
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:39.079
<v Speaker 2>That's too long.

685
00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 1>That's too long, and that's basically four pros.

686
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:48.880
<v Speaker 2>And actually touring golf, especially today, it seems to take

687
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 2>more than four hours to play around on when they

688
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:52.840
<v Speaker 2>were watching on television.

689
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.679
<v Speaker 4>And that's where the PGA Tour and and other tours

690
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:02.639
<v Speaker 4>have to lead. By example, you see the guys on

691
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:07.679
<v Speaker 4>TV and they take forever to find out their yardage

692
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 4>and their caddy and them talking over whether or not

693
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:13.960
<v Speaker 4>to hit this club, what it is to get over

694
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 4>this bunker and all that, and it's just I think

695
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 4>if the tours clamp down a lot harder than what

696
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:27.639
<v Speaker 4>they do on bad times and pushing people through, then

697
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 4>it'll go down to amateurs because all they do on

698
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.320
<v Speaker 4>tour is they just find guys. And when you're at

699
00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 4>that level, thousand and two thousand dollars doesn't really mean

700
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 4>anything to them. But if they started, if they started

701
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:47.920
<v Speaker 4>taking adding shots to their game. So let's say guys

702
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.000
<v Speaker 4>on the number or one in front of the cart

703
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 4>and they give him a two straight penalty and now

704
00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:54.039
<v Speaker 4>he's missed the cart.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll change things, that's what I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's an interesting thought. Instead of penalizing them financially,

707
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:03.599
<v Speaker 2>penalize them on their card.

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<v Speaker 4>Penalize them on their card, and once they start missing

709
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 4>carts because they start getting penalties, then they'll start speeding up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they need the time for those commercials to

711
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:16.480
<v Speaker 2>pay for the broadcast.

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00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:18.679
<v Speaker 1>It's got nothing to do with that, Fred.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, they'd find a way to get it in.

714
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they would.

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00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:27.960
<v Speaker 4>They just they just fool around doing like you have

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00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.599
<v Speaker 4>the yardage book, and there's so much information on the

717
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:34.480
<v Speaker 4>yardage book of from this sprinkler. It's that it's two

718
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.800
<v Speaker 4>hundred yards to carry that bunker, and it's like, well,

719
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:42.039
<v Speaker 4>sometimes you need it, but then the caddy and the

720
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 4>player go through. Well do I lay up short of

721
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.760
<v Speaker 4>it or do I go over? What's the advantage of

722
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 4>going over? Can I get it up and down from

723
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 4>that area? Or am I better off laying back and

724
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 4>hitting a full shot in. It's so those other sort

725
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:56.599
<v Speaker 4>of things that take the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So interesting. Well, Darren, I wish you all the luck

727
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.920
<v Speaker 2>on the entire planet. In the world and hope that

728
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 2>we get to see your name in the newspaper on

729
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:11.239
<v Speaker 2>a regular basis.

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00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Fred.

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00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 2>But you need one before you go. You've got it

732
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 2>for Richard. What's the name of the restaurant. We got

733
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 2>to plug the restaurant?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, actually, and I need to plug the restaurant because

735
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 4>it's the biggest phosphoid chine in the world.

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00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's the one with the golden oches.

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00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay? And does he have more than one that

738
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:36.480
<v Speaker 2>you work at?

739
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.039
<v Speaker 1>I just work at one, but hey has more than one?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Richard, thank you, that's very kind of you for

741
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:46.440
<v Speaker 2>being so generous and letting Darren get his game on

742
00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:49.039
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully become a success.

743
00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Andie's wife Annie as well, And.

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00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Thank you Annie. Richard and Annie, we appreciate that. So

745
00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:57.559
<v Speaker 2>when you're playing, you're wearing a McDonald's shirt.

746
00:41:57.639 --> 00:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>Huh, I am Do.

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00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:03.159
<v Speaker 2>You have name tag that has a little on it

748
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:04.760
<v Speaker 2>as well as your name on it?

749
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Only at work? Only at work?

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00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>And have you ever asked any of your playing partners

751
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:14.800
<v Speaker 2>if they wanted fries with that? Not?

752
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:19.599
<v Speaker 1>If I can help with Darren?

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00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much. I really appreciate you reaching out because

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00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 2>I find this to be an absolutely fascinating story, and

755
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.360
<v Speaker 2>I hope that you have great success with this.

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00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:32.199
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Fred, it's been enjoyable, and.

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00:42:32.280 --> 00:42:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening to my pleasure. Maybe we'll get

758
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 2>you a Golf Smarter shirt to wear someday on the tour.

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00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:42.679
<v Speaker 1>That would be very nice. I would enjoy that immensely.