1 00:00:01,159 --> 00:00:04,519 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Mitch Goldstein from Venice, Florida, and I 2 00:00:04,599 --> 00:00:08,039 play at Rotanda Golf Course in beautiful Southwest Florida. This 3 00:00:08,199 --> 00:00:09,199 is golf Smarter. 4 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:12,439 Speaker 2: Golf Smarter number four hundred and sixty three, published on 5 00:00:12,519 --> 00:00:14,919 November eighteen, twenty fourteen. 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 3: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 7 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,719 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 8 00:00:23,719 --> 00:00:29,760 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 9 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:34,640 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 10 00:00:34,759 --> 00:00:38,320 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: I don't hit the ball very long. 12 00:00:40,759 --> 00:00:44,439 Speaker 4: I would say I probably reach around two sixty yards 13 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,640 in your terminology, but I hit it very straight. I 14 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,359 don't miss too many fairways. I don't miss too many grains. 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,479 If there's parts that I can look at, which playing 16 00:00:53,719 --> 00:00:57,039 tournaments helps you do, because if you're not learning, there's 17 00:00:57,039 --> 00:00:59,560 no point playing golf. Sure, game's got a bit of 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,280 work to do of pitching and chipping, and that's having 19 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,920 your podcast has helped me that way. 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: There's been some great people. 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,239 Speaker 4: I pick up little tips all the time from your podcast, 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,239 whether it be even Dennis with the hands going back, 23 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:15,359 hands going forward, or Tony Manzoni who with the body 24 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,760 turn and also with mental with Joseph parent and that 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,480 you pick up tips all the time and if you're 26 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:24,120 not not learning, as I said, you're not playing golf. 27 00:01:24,599 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: Just short game and putting. 28 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 4: They're the only two parts that I've really got to 29 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,879 pick up on to help me get to the next level. 30 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: Struggling to make the tour with Australian pro Darren Garrett. 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:45,159 Speaker 3: This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers 32 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,680 and golf professionals to. 33 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:50,439 Speaker 2: Help lower your score. It's worked for your host, Fred Green. 34 00:01:51,519 --> 00:01:53,159 Welcome with the Golf Smarter podcast. 35 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: Jarin Good ay, Fred, how are we? 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,079 Speaker 2: Oh? We are very happy to hear. Gooday. 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,519 Speaker 4: Well, it's a nice beautiful morning down here in Perth, Australia. 38 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: And here in Northern California. The sun is about to 39 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:07,239 go down. 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: Got a lot of time difference, don't you. 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 4: No. 42 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:14,719 Speaker 2: I love scape that we can do this and it's 43 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:16,639 not going to cost either of us anything to make 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,400 the phone call because I really want to talk to you. 45 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,199 Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking forward to talking to you as well. 46 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: Right well, thank you very much for reaching out. I'm 47 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:30,159 just kind of touched that you were listening and that 48 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,919 you wanted to share your story. I find it very interesting. Basically, 49 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:40,879 you are a golf touring pro wannabe. 50 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,479 Speaker 4: Yes, I've done my trainee ship through the PGA of Australia, 51 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,840 so I can teach as well. 52 00:02:48,199 --> 00:02:50,719 Speaker 1: Okay, but basically. 53 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 4: It's in my heart to go on to go and 54 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,800 play across the world. I've been to various places throughout 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:02,120 the world, namely through Asia and the South, but there's 56 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:03,919 just a part of me that there's always want to 57 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,520 play the game, no doubt. 58 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: I love to teach as well. 59 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 4: It's great seeing kids with a smile on their face 60 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,479 after you give them a good lesson, or even even adults. 61 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:15,560 But there's just a place in my heart that always 62 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:18,599 wants to play and it's hard to get rid of sometimes. 63 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so you're you're too competitive. You need to 64 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:24,639 get out there and compete. 65 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely absolutely. 66 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,199 Speaker 4: I see days where it's beautiful sunshine and I might 67 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,879 be doing something else, in my heart's going what are 68 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,560 you doing here? You should be out on the golf course. 69 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:42,039 Speaker 2: Get the work done first. Yes, absolutely, tell me how 70 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:43,400 long have you been playing golf? 71 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,479 Speaker 4: I've been playing since I was age ten, so twenty 72 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,919 eight years okay. 73 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: And at what point did you get it in your 74 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,919 head that you wanted to play competitively well? 75 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 4: As a youngster, I was doing t ball and baseball 76 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,840 for a long time, and we just had a season 77 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:04,840 where the coach was favoring his son as a pitcher 78 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,360 and we were losing basically every match, and it just 79 00:04:08,439 --> 00:04:13,919 wasn't fun anymore. And because I'm a saw loser, and 80 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,439 I'm happy to admit that, I wanted to do something 81 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,399 by myself. And at that time, I'd been playing golf 82 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,680 sort of at a little club over in Victoria, just 83 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,480 a little nine hole place with my father, and when 84 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:32,519 we moved over to wa Weather's beautiful over here, just 85 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,720 decided to take it a bit more seriously. 86 00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 2: And so, okay, I saw a loser competitive How did 87 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,040 you start competing in golf when you were young as well? 88 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: Yes, over here we have what's called the Graham Marsh 89 00:04:49,319 --> 00:04:53,839 Junior Golf Foundation and they house local tournaments for young 90 00:04:53,959 --> 00:04:56,959 kids up to the age of eighteen. So I just 91 00:04:57,199 --> 00:04:59,879 became a member of a private golf course called Lake 92 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,160 As Country Club and then started playing those junior tournaments 93 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,680 and just kept developing friends and also started playing golf 94 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,079 better and better, and then it just took off from there. 95 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,879 Speaker 2: And how well did you do in the junior tournaments? 96 00:05:15,879 --> 00:05:21,319 Speaker 4: I want to I want a couple, But basically I 97 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,839 did well enough that I got my handicapped down to 98 00:05:23,879 --> 00:05:25,480 scratch by the time I was eighteen. 99 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, okay, and then go ahead, I'm sorry. 100 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 4: And then before I before I turned pro, I was 101 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,800 plus three mm, so that that also fueled the fire 102 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,959 of wanting to see how how well I could do 103 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:42,680 as a as a golf professional. 104 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:45,759 Speaker 2: So is this just more of a g I wonder 105 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,040 how I could do? Or is it okay, get out 106 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,079 of my way, I'm going to take this place over. 107 00:05:52,079 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of both. 108 00:05:54,519 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 4: I think probably a lot of people saw it as 109 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:00,959 g I wonder how well he going to do, whereas 110 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:04,120 inside of me it's sort of, well, all right, let's 111 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,240 go see how well we can be, and let's see 112 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,360 how good we are against some of these top guys. 113 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: And what's the highest level you've competed at so far. 114 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,319 Speaker 4: I went to Asian Q School in January last year. 115 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:27,480 That was unbelievable to be on a tour at that 116 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:33,800 level where everything's looked after for you. I was lucky 117 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:36,560 enough to stay at the resort where they were playing 118 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,600 the Q School, so all you had to do is 119 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,639 roll out of bed and hop onto the golf course 120 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:49,000 and get ready to play a game. And that was 121 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:51,319 just just unbelievable how. 122 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: Different you looked after as opposed to some. 123 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 4: Other places of where I've played and associations that have 124 00:06:57,399 --> 00:06:58,040 looked after me. 125 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,639 Speaker 2: I'm not really familiar how Q school works. Can you 126 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,879 give me a rundown and walk me through what it entails? 127 00:07:06,879 --> 00:07:08,079 Speaker 1: And okay? 128 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:12,279 Speaker 4: So with as and Q School, we had seven hundred 129 00:07:12,399 --> 00:07:17,160 and forty guys start off in first stage. So generally 130 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,120 generally they run in two stages. I know with American 131 00:07:21,319 --> 00:07:23,240 now it goes to the web dot com. But with 132 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,240 the American twur schools they go through four or five stages. 133 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,480 But with the one in Asia, it was only two stages. 134 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:35,040 So when I went up there, there was it was 135 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:38,439 spread over two weeks of first stage, so there was 136 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,000 about one hundred and fifty guys at each of the 137 00:07:41,079 --> 00:07:41,920 five courses. 138 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: We played four rounds. 139 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 4: After two rounds there was a cut of eighty guys, 140 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:52,680 so basically went in half from one hundred and fifty 141 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,199 to eighty, and then after that it was the top 142 00:07:56,839 --> 00:08:01,439 twenty percent of guys who entered went through to the 143 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,360 second stage all final stage. 144 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,959 Speaker 2: Wait, did you say there was seven hundred and forty. 145 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,879 Speaker 1: To start, seven hundred and forty that started, yes. 146 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what happened to them on that first or 147 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,800 do they're all playing different courses all the same time. 148 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:17,399 Speaker 1: All playing different courses all at the same time. 149 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I see, okay. 150 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 4: So what if you got into the top twenty percent, 151 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,600 then you would continue on to the next stage, which 152 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,319 is final stage. If you didn't get in the top 153 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:31,759 twenty percent, that was it. 154 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:32,799 Speaker 1: You finished. 155 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: You're done. 156 00:08:33,879 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: You're done. Whether it's twenty shots or one shot, you're done, right. 157 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: And when you're done, do you get to try to 158 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,320 come back next year? Or they're saying thank you very much, see. 159 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,279 Speaker 4: You, thank you very much, see you for this year, 160 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,960 over this year. Yeah, and then you can go back 161 00:08:50,039 --> 00:08:50,799 the following year. 162 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: And when you go back, what do you just fill 163 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,879 out paperwork or do you have to In my business 164 00:08:55,919 --> 00:08:59,159 we call it audition do what do you have to do? Tickets? 165 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,279 Speaker 4: But well, playing is basically our audition. But what you 166 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,120 have to do is just fill in paperwork, make sure 167 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:11,559 you pay the right fees, and then find a flight 168 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,360 and make sure you do all the proper visas, make 169 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:18,320 sure you get your accommodation sorted out. 170 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,919 Speaker 1: So it's just a lot more than just playing playing golf. 171 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,399 Speaker 4: So with me, when I went up to Thailand, I 172 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,080 flew Thai airways that left from Perth straight to Bangkok. 173 00:09:32,039 --> 00:09:37,600 I could have gone from Perth to Singapore, then Singapore 174 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:41,240 to Bangkok, but just really being in one plane direct 175 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:45,039 flight was the most appropriate thing, rather than spending a 176 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:48,840 couple of hours or three hours in an airport trying 177 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:50,840 to find your way through and then maybe having to 178 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,240 go through customs. And it's just that added rigmarole that 179 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,639 you don't necessarily want. 180 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:56,159 Speaker 1: Yeah. 181 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: No, I'm kind of curious because I remember how long 182 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,960 it took me to fly from Santa Francisco on the 183 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,720 West coast of the US down to Bangkok. Yeah, how 184 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:07,919 long is it from the west coast of Australia to 185 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:12,080 be eight hours? Eight hours? That it's a shorter flight, Okay. 186 00:10:13,039 --> 00:10:14,639 Speaker 1: From the West coast of Australia. 187 00:10:14,639 --> 00:10:17,399 Speaker 4: It's a lot easier through Asia than it is through 188 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,240 through even the East Coast. I think the East Coast 189 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:23,480 of Australia is probably eleven or twelve something like that, 190 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,720 because you can't necessarily get direct flight from where you are, 191 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:28,480 so if you're in Brisbane, you might have to go 192 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,320 to Sydney first and then then up to Bangkok. 193 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:33,639 Speaker 2: All right, so let's go all right. That was one 194 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:36,600 of my very famous whoops going in the other direction. 195 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:37,600 So let's get back to. 196 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 1: Ye travels, right, that's all right. 197 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:47,039 Speaker 4: So I went got into Bangkok and then I took 198 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,840 a two and a half our bus ride that the 199 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:55,120 Asian Tour provided for us down to Huahin, which is 200 00:10:55,159 --> 00:10:59,960 a small coastal town in Thailand, and it's absolutely beautif 201 00:11:00,039 --> 00:11:02,600 for there if any of your any of your listeners 202 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,080 get a chance to go to Thailand and play in Wahin, 203 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,000 it's just beautiful. I played at Springville Village, but we 204 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:14,120 also had Black Mountain Banyon. I think there's a course 205 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,840 Royal Thay Navy, which I don't know if people can 206 00:11:18,879 --> 00:11:23,440 get onto, or there was also Imperial Lakeview, but all 207 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:29,279 through that area is just absolutely beautiful. And then there's 208 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,279 also working on the visas. You've got to make sure 209 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:34,600 that you have the correct paperwork, otherwise I won't let 210 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:39,759 you into the country's And that's basically it. And then 211 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:41,960 once you get to the once you get to the tournament, 212 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:44,519 you just basically play golf. 213 00:11:50,759 --> 00:11:54,879 Speaker 2: I actually got to play in pouquette at the Blue 214 00:11:54,879 --> 00:11:58,519 Canyon Country Club. Yeah, in two thousand and seven. There's 215 00:11:58,879 --> 00:12:01,679 actually episode numbers seventy eight of Golf Smarter is my 216 00:12:01,799 --> 00:12:04,679 interview with their director of golf there and I loved it. 217 00:12:06,159 --> 00:12:11,720 So what happens now you're paying for everything? Yes, when 218 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:17,840 you're headed out there, yes, And this is great for them, 219 00:12:17,879 --> 00:12:19,960 it's great. Oh good, Now you're gonna keep paying us 220 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,480 and you gotta fly and you got to pay for 221 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:25,200 a year overnight and just hoping. I mean, if you 222 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,000 win or you make the cut, you're not winning any 223 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,679 money in Q school. 224 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 4: Are you no money whatsoever? So basically in a round 225 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,720 ballpark figure, it cost me five thousand dollars to go 226 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:38,639 up for Q School. 227 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,759 Speaker 2: WHOA, yeah, that's quite the investment. 228 00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: It is it is it could be it. 229 00:12:47,039 --> 00:12:50,399 Speaker 2: Well, it's gambling basically, because if you don't make the cut, 230 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,159 that's it. You got to win another year and then 231 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:54,039 you've got to come up with another five grand. 232 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:57,879 Speaker 4: Right, basically, yes, and I had a chance going into 233 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,720 the final round. I shot seventy two seventy three and 234 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,080 was in that twenty percent. I hit two bad shots 235 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,240 and I missed out on going through the final stage 236 00:13:08,279 --> 00:13:09,159 by two shots. 237 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:15,879 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so sorry. Oh that's terrible. I'm sorry, But 238 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,679 that's golf. Yes, it is, especially you look at your 239 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,360 scorecard going, oh, I can make this, and then all 240 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:24,480 of a sudden you made two bad shots. 241 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 242 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,799 Speaker 4: Well, I think I think I had an uneasy sleep 243 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,039 the night before because i've because of the position I 244 00:13:31,159 --> 00:13:34,879 was in, and it sort of plays on your mind. 245 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:36,519 And then you get up on the first tee, hit 246 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,360 a good drive, second shot was all right and made 247 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:43,519 six out of nowhere, and when it boils down to it, 248 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:44,639 those were the two shots. 249 00:13:45,279 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: Wow. Oh man, I see I couldn't. That would not 250 00:13:52,399 --> 00:13:56,679 go well with me. Now were you getting support from 251 00:13:56,799 --> 00:13:58,919 home of doing this or were you all on your own. 252 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:04,639 Speaker 4: I'm fortunate enough to work for a company that will 253 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,919 a boss in particular that allows me to play my golf. 254 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:09,159 Speaker 2: Oh that's nice. 255 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, when I'm working for Richard at a fast food place. 256 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,720 If I'm not working for him, I play golf. If 257 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,320 I'm not playing golf, I work for him. 258 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,799 Speaker 2: I see, you work in the fast food industry. 259 00:14:23,279 --> 00:14:25,399 Speaker 4: I work in the fast food industry. I actually clean 260 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,080 a restaurant for Richard. I start work at three in 261 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,360 the morning and finish at eleven in the morning. 262 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:34,919 Speaker 2: So it allows you to play golf in the afternoon. 263 00:14:34,679 --> 00:14:35,919 Speaker 1: Plays golf in the afternoon. 264 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 4: But man, it's tough getting up at quarter pass two 265 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:39,759 five days a week. 266 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, it's very It really messes with you, 267 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:47,120 and it's got to make it tough to play golf 268 00:14:47,159 --> 00:14:49,360 well too, if you're exhausted. 269 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,679 Speaker 4: I think I've I think personally I'm used to it 270 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,519 from the fact that that's what I've been doing all 271 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,799 my golf life. Because you play golf during the day, 272 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:02,679 you work nights. So whether you work at four in 273 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,480 the afternoon to midnight or what I'm doing now, I 274 00:15:06,519 --> 00:15:09,360 think your body's used to the fact that you do 275 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:12,080 your golf during the day and you work at nights. 276 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So you didn't make the cut that time, No, 277 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,480 I didn't make the cut. How many tries? How many 278 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:22,279 times have you been to tour school trying to make 279 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:22,759 the cut? 280 00:15:23,879 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 4: That was my first up in Asia. I'm planning to 281 00:15:27,679 --> 00:15:33,519 go to Q School in Australia in December and then 282 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,720 we'll just see how my wallet is situated. I know 283 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,960 the PGA Tour have now developed a school a tour 284 00:15:44,159 --> 00:15:49,000 in China and there's also Canada as well, so we'll 285 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,320 just see how things go over the next next couple 286 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,960 of months as to what we can do with regards 287 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:56,159 to that. 288 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,559 Speaker 2: So you've only been to tour school the Q School once. Yes, 289 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,000 didn't make it. But are you still able to play 290 00:16:04,039 --> 00:16:08,679 competitively in tournaments and that possibly can help your earnings? 291 00:16:09,159 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely. We just finish. 292 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,279 Speaker 4: What are the West Australian Open here in Perth which 293 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:20,080 is part of the PGA Tour of Australasia. Ryan Fox 294 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,840 from New Zealand one with an impressive score of twenty 295 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:28,559 three under for four rounds. Wow, yeah, I play. I 296 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,799 was really happy with how I played. I shot rounds 297 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:35,440 of seventy two to seventy and missed the cut by one. 298 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:42,559 Oh so yeah, so three under was the cut and 299 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,799 we were all shaking our heads because I think that's 300 00:16:46,159 --> 00:16:50,840 maybe the lowest cut on the Australasian Tour in history. 301 00:16:50,879 --> 00:16:52,840 I'm not one hundred percent certain on that, but I 302 00:16:52,919 --> 00:16:54,279 believe that could be the case. 303 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: Close to no cigar one more time. 304 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, so you always always you always, you always rude. 305 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,000 The parts you miss are not the ones you get, 306 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:10,640 of course, had I had an eight footer eight foot 307 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,640 on the last for Birdie to make the cart and 308 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,680 I just missed the edge. 309 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:20,519 Speaker 2: So and we complain here about missing a pot or 310 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:25,000 two around, it's like, oh, I could have had a 311 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:31,799 broken ninety if I just oh man, how often do 312 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,880 you get to play competitively. 313 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 4: In West Coast of Australia is tough. We've got basically 314 00:17:40,279 --> 00:17:43,279 two months over May and April that we that we play, 315 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,920 and then we've got the Ouscilation Tour coming around for 316 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,359 the three weeks this week this time we've got the 317 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,480 Perth International, which I tried to preq for. 318 00:17:54,759 --> 00:17:55,279 Speaker 1: Yesterday. 319 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 4: I shot seventy five, but I had to have shot 320 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:02,720 sixty seven to get into the field for that one. 321 00:18:03,799 --> 00:18:09,000 They only offered up four spots. So generally with prequalifications 322 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,480 for tournaments, you might have X amount of spots that 323 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:17,119 are available to go into the tournament. The West Australian 324 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,440 Open one we had about twenty four spots and there 325 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,039 were seventy six guys going for those twenty four spots. 326 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,279 Yesterday with a Perth International, we only had four spots 327 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:32,240 available and there was about eighty guys going for that one, 328 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,200 and then next week in Calgooley they're still tossing up 329 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,640 whether or not to have a pre qualification. At this 330 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:42,200 point in time it is, so there's probably going to 331 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,559 be about I think it's about forty spots and about 332 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:48,240 forty six people gone for that spot, so there will 333 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:49,680 be six people that miss out. 334 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: I hope you're not one of them. 335 00:18:52,519 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: Not the way I'm playing at the moment, I won't be. 336 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: No. Oh good good, Okay. So now the father in 337 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,799 me is going to ask a question that many fathers 338 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:05,799 are thinking about right now. How long are you going 339 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,440 to continue to try to do this and keep coming 340 00:19:08,519 --> 00:19:11,400 up with five thousand dollars to try to get you know, 341 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:18,720 on past Q school. Are you giving yourself a deadline 342 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:21,160 to say, you know what, I've tried it four years, 343 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,400 five years, eight years, ten years, I'm done? Or do 344 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:25,359 you not even go there? 345 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 4: I actually did that with Asia. I got to a 346 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,160 point where Okay, I've had enough. But there's a part 347 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,319 of me that just says I got to keep going, 348 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:42,240 and it's just hard to turn off. Like I'd love 349 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:47,440 to just go and teach golf, but there's just this 350 00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:50,480 part in my in my heart that wants to see 351 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,599 me out there playing and mixing with the guys. It's 352 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,680 sort of where I feel home and judging after last 353 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,640 week to only missed a couple by one, I know 354 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,400 that I can, I can mix it with him, and 355 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,839 I suppose that's that's the other part, Like if I 356 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,759 had to play it last week and shot two really 357 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:13,599 bad scores, well, then it's probably easier to to say no, we'll. 358 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 1: Go down a different path. 359 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 4: But when he get so close to continue on to 360 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:20,240 the afternoon, then it drives you a little bit further. 361 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,680 So I would like I would like to say to you, Yeah, 362 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,279 there's a cutoff time of when I turned forty, which 363 00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:30,160 is a couple of years. But I could get to 364 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,200 forty and still be playing great golf and my heart 365 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,079 still wants to go in it. It's just something that 366 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,039 you can't turn off. 367 00:20:36,559 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're at an age now where you know 368 00:20:40,279 --> 00:20:45,079 the most guys who are on the tour, you know, 369 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,799 including Tiger. You know, we talk about him too much, 370 00:20:48,839 --> 00:20:53,559 but he's still he's still the name out there. You're 371 00:20:53,559 --> 00:20:55,559 getting to an age where it's going to be tough 372 00:20:55,599 --> 00:20:56,920 to compete with these young guns. 373 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,599 Speaker 4: Well, it's going to be tough to compete with Tiger 374 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,759 even when I turned fifty as well. So I don't 375 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:09,920 even get a break that way. Yeah, yeah, But when 376 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,200 you get to a certain age, unless unless you've done 377 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,480 really well, I think your mind, hopefully your mind tells 378 00:21:17,519 --> 00:21:18,880 you that enough is enough? 379 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 2: Are there ways for you to keep your expenses down? 380 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,680 Like you talk about five thousand dollars, Is that five 381 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,079 thousand dollars the overall cost to go through Q school 382 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,839 or is that something that you have to pay to 383 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,680 them to get in on the tournament and get a chance. 384 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 4: Now, the five thousand dollars was the overall it was 385 00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:46,720 about it was roughly about two thousand dollars Australian to 386 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:51,039 enter the tournament, and then of course you add your airfares, 387 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,880 your accommodation, your visas and all that. So that was 388 00:21:54,920 --> 00:22:02,759 the overall and just basically work working, you're through just 389 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:05,960 being able to work for Richard and save up a 390 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,720 bit of money. That way helps me get to specific 391 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:12,839 tournaments next week. For example, we're in Cawgooley, which is 392 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:16,880 about if you're driving about six and a half hours 393 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,119 due west of Perth, and I'm flying there and it's 394 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,160 going to cost me six hundred dollars airfare return, so 395 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:29,400 I've basically got to make the cart and probably finish 396 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,359 in the top top twenty to make my money back. 397 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 2: So in Q school, there's money to be won. 398 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 4: Not in Q school, it's not until you actually not 399 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:44,920 until you actually get on tour. Once you get onto 400 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:50,400 a tour like Asian Tour or US tours, then when 401 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,680 you start getting paid some of the money for endorsing 402 00:22:54,759 --> 00:23:01,480 clubs using using tailor made using titleists, than a sponsor 403 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,720 will come along so you can have their name on 404 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,240 your shirt. That's when you start making the money. But 405 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:12,799 until that point you've basically left to your own devices. 406 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: So you are not getting any sponsorship endorsement at all 407 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,000 at this point. 408 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,759 Speaker 1: Not at this point except from except from Richard, which. 409 00:23:19,599 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 2: Was going to say except from Richard, Yes, does he 410 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,200 do you get to wear a shirt that has his 411 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:26,960 fast food restaurant on your shirt while you're playing it? 412 00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: Yes? I do? Yes? 413 00:23:28,279 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 2: Oh good, yeah, yeah, I hope he doesn't charge you 414 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:32,480 for the shirts. 415 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: No, No, he gets a lot of joy seeing me 416 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:38,519 do do well. 417 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:42,559 Speaker 2: So that's nice. That's nice. So what can you do 418 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,880 to keep your expenses reasonable? 419 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: It's a bit hard from the west coast of Australia, Yeah, 420 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:50,279 I would think so. 421 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you can drive cross country right. 422 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 4: No, Well, as I said, it's six hours to cat 423 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:01,640 Gully and that's still in our state. Basically, it basically 424 00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:04,119 takes three to get to Melbourne. 425 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: It will take three days. 426 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 4: Adelaide you can do in two, and Brisbane's probably about four. 427 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:21,640 But even with driving, there's there's costs of fuel of course, 428 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:26,039 accommodation like there's you play whatever top price there is 429 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:32,119 over the nullball for accommodation because you're so far away 430 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:39,480 from basically civilization. But even airfares, it's actually cheaper to 431 00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:47,200 fly to Bali return it it is to fly within Australia. 432 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,079 Speaker 2: Do you have anybodies that are also attempting to do 433 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,920 this so that you can travel with them and share expenses. 434 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there's quite a few of us. 435 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 4: So when I went up to Asia, there was quite 436 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,920 a few guys from Australia, so we shared accommodation, which 437 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,480 helped keep it down a bit. And generally when we 438 00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:18,319 play tournaments within our own state, we'll either drive with 439 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,920 each other or stay in rooms together, just to try 440 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,559 and keep costs down because even in some of the 441 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,599 some of the places, like when you go up to 442 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:32,680 Port Headlin and Kartha in the far North with the 443 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,359 mining and all that, there's very little accommodation available, and 444 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,640 whatever accommodation there is, they could charge you three to 445 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,920 four hundred dollars a night. And that's not in a 446 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,000 that's not in a flash hotel either, whoa so. And 447 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,119 most of the time when we go up to those places, 448 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,079 the members of the course will look after us, so 449 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:58,240 we get billeted into their houses and that helps immensely. 450 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: Does a class more to play in some tournaments and others? 451 00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,720 And how would you make a decision of which ones 452 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:06,039 to play? 453 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it does like some of the local ones aren't 454 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,960 too bad. The one that I'm playing today is at 455 00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:19,319 Lakelands is a fifteen thousand dollars tournament, and that'll cost me. 456 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,559 I think it's about twenty dollars to enter with. 457 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,799 Speaker 2: Eighteen thousand dollars prize money. 458 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 4: With a fifteen thousand dollars prize money yet, but they 459 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,319 get that prize money through sponsors, so they'll have a sponsor, 460 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,279 they might have a couple of sponsors put up that 461 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,240 fifteen thousand dollars. 462 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: And does that twenty dollars cover if you make the 463 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,519 cut all four rounds? 464 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: Well, the twenty dollars is only for a one round tournament. 465 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,279 Speaker 4: Oh okay, So we've just basically got a one day 466 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:54,680 pro am where we'll look after sponsors or amateurs, play 467 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,400 with them, try to play the best we can. But 468 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,119 we also like to give out for most of us 469 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,359 as teachings or club pros. If the amateurs are having troubles, 470 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,720 we like to hand out tips while we're going around. 471 00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,519 So that's yeah, Well, that's one good part about having 472 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,440 pro ams. And the best part about golf is someone 473 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,119 like myself can play in the same group as someone 474 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,799 like yourself, Fred who's on a different level, and there 475 00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:23,559 might be might be a guy of single figures, there 476 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,039 might be a guy that hasn't played before. And that's 477 00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:30,599 the best part about pri ams. It's just helping other 478 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,000 people learn and grow their love for the game. 479 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm sorry, I just don't believe you that 480 00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:40,680 when you say somebody who's never played before, you were 481 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:41,759 enjoying yourself. 482 00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:43,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. 483 00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 4: Well there was one time when we were playing up 484 00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,960 at Newman in the Far North and I had a 485 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:53,240 lady who sponsored the tournament who had never touched the 486 00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:58,440 golf club before, and to try and help her sort 487 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,039 of at least hit the ball, hit the ball forward. 488 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,200 Took a fair bit of time, as well as trying 489 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,079 to maintain your concentration on your game as well. 490 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 2: Sounds painful. I admire your patients. If you can get 491 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,000 through that, well. 492 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 4: I think that's one good part about being a teaching 493 00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:22,599 pro as well, as you've got to have the patience 494 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,960 and at the level where if you're not on the 495 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,839 main circuit where you get to play with the pros 496 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,440 all the time, so you've got to play on a 497 00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,519 pro am circuit. You come across that, and if you're 498 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:39,680 someone who's not not got that patience or done that 499 00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:43,319 level of experience of teaching, it can be quite hard. 500 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,519 But doing it as I have, it's quite easy. 501 00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, more power to you, my friend. That's crazy. Well, 502 00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,480 are there any things about touring school Q School? The 503 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,119 tour school in Q school are the same things right, yes, okay, 504 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:06,079 go ahead. 505 00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 4: We probably have different names for it. You see this 506 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:10,160 tour school week, call it as Q School. 507 00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:14,839 Speaker 2: Okay, So are there any things that surprised you when 508 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,680 you first when you did your first one that you 509 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,680 weren't anticipating. 510 00:29:21,839 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the more the business like approach that 511 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:30,200 all the pros have, Whereas when we play on the 512 00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:32,799 little pro am circuit that we've got here, we're all 513 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:34,839 friends and we all get along and we all. 514 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: Go have a drink afterwards and all that. 515 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 4: Whereas when I went up to Q School, it was 516 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,880 all business, which is understandable. 517 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:41,759 Speaker 1: We're all playing for. 518 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,599 Speaker 4: Our futures, so we all go into our own things. 519 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,359 Speaker 2: But what happens, I mean, what kind of how did 520 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,480 their attitudes change? How do they change? I guess getting 521 00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:54,319 your game face on? 522 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,279 Speaker 1: That's it. 523 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,119 Speaker 4: That's basically it. This is your playing for your life 524 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,960 and if you might around now, there's there's no turning back. 525 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,400 You go out, you play golf for the best of 526 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,720 your ability, and and you. 527 00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:08,599 Speaker 1: Go out and try. 528 00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,039 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that they weren't trying, but you just 529 00:30:12,079 --> 00:30:18,759 have this different, different approach, very interesting, where every shot counts, 530 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:20,799 every shot counts. 531 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 2: And you are teaching, You were, you were earning some 532 00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:25,799 money doing teaching as well. 533 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 4: Not at the moment I'm having I'm having enough fun 534 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:35,000 doing the cleaning at the restaurant and playing afterwards. Yeah, 535 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,039 and practice, So I really don't have time for teaching. 536 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:42,039 Speaker 2: So what's your strength in your game? Not in your cleaning, 537 00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:46,799 but what is what is your strength of your game 538 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,359 that makes you feel like you're This can set you 539 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,720 apart and make you good enough to play professionally. 540 00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: I hit the ball very straight. 541 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:57,839 Speaker 2: Ooh nice, I don't. 542 00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,319 Speaker 4: I don't hit the ball very long. I would say 543 00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:09,000 I probably average around two sixty yards in your terminology, sure, 544 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,720 but I hit it very straight. I don't miss too 545 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:16,359 many fairways, I don't miss too many greens. If there's 546 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,960 parts that I can look at, which playing tournaments helps 547 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,640 you do, because if you're not learning, there's no point 548 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,039 playing golf. So short game's got a bit of work 549 00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:31,480 to do, pitching and chipping, and that's having your podcast 550 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,759 has helped me that way. There's been some great people 551 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:38,200 with I pick up little tips all the time from 552 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,160 your podcast, whether it be even Dennis with the hands 553 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,839 going back, hands going forward, or Tony Manzoni who with 554 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:52,960 the body turn and also with mental with Joseph parent 555 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:55,880 and that you pick up tips all the time. And 556 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,480 if you're not learning, not learning, as I said, you're 557 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:05,240 not playing golf, and just short game and putting. They're 558 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,559 the only two parts that I've really got to pick 559 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,200 up on to help me get to the next level. 560 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,759 Speaker 2: You know, it seems like at any level, the short 561 00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:20,880 game and putting is what's going to hold most people back. 562 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:22,119 Speaker 1: Oh. 563 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,079 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you can't afford to three part at the top level. 564 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,119 Speaker 1: No, and I did. 565 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 4: I was well to say that I only had one 566 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,160 three part at the thirty six holes in the last 567 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,519 tournament was pretty good, but that three point eventually cost 568 00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:39,839 me the. 569 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: Cut. 570 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 4: And that three part was only from ten feet because 571 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,319 I got a little bit aggressive. 572 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, three pint from sixty seventy feet, I understand, 573 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,960 But from ten feet that's painful. 574 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,599 Speaker 4: Yep, hit at about three or four feet, pass and 575 00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:57,680 then miss it coming back. 576 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,799 Speaker 2: So I guess for that level you want to stay 577 00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,119 under thirty puts, under twenty eight puts around Where do 578 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,160 you want to be as far as the number of 579 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:08,960 parts you haven't. 580 00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Around under thirty? 581 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,359 Speaker 2: Under thirty? 582 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think for a pro you need 583 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,279 to be between twenty seven and thirty and you got 584 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:21,279 to hit a lot of fairways and greens, a lot 585 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,200 of fairways, a lot of greens, unless you're. 586 00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: Bubba Watson. 587 00:33:25,359 --> 00:33:26,519 Speaker 2: And then you just hit it far. 588 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,279 Speaker 4: Then you just hit it anywhere and just make it 589 00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,680 up as you go along. That's how it appears to me. 590 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: Anyway. 591 00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:35,559 Speaker 2: Do you find him to be one of the more 592 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,480 creative people on playing today? 593 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,359 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely? 594 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,519 Speaker 4: That hook shot from a from the trees that Augusta 595 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,160 was just unbelievable. 596 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 597 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,119 Speaker 4: I don't think I've seen anyone play that type of shot. 598 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,319 Maybe maybe Tiger might have the ability to do it 599 00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:58,319 when he was on top right, but no he was. 600 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,599 Speaker 1: That was believable. 601 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 2: So you hit it straight. But are you accurate? 602 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: Yes? 603 00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 2: Because that there's two Those are two different things, aren't they? 604 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: They are two different things. Absolutely. Yes. 605 00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,679 Speaker 4: Yesterday when I played the pre qualification for the Perth International, 606 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,239 I hit fifteen grains. 607 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, I had. 608 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,519 Speaker 4: I had full three parts, but that's in a different environment. 609 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:27,920 When you've only got four guys going through, you have 610 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:28,280 to go. 611 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: Full ball all day. 612 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 4: So you're very aggressive, very aggressive, a lot more aggressive 613 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,559 than what you would be normally interesting. 614 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 2: Well, what do you tell somebody? I had an email 615 00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:42,519 today from a listener and thank you very much for listening. 616 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:48,280 I'm flattered that you've you've found some useful information on 617 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,960 the podcast. That's that's really nice. But here's somebody who's 618 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,920 been listening for a while and he says, no, matter 619 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,400 what I've tried, and he's written this before, and he 620 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,280 cracks me up. Open stands, closed stands, stand so the 621 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,239 ball stand far from the ball, weight on my heels, 622 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,679 wait on my toes, wide stands, narrow stands, taking a 623 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,840 long backswing. He's so frustrated. And you know, when I 624 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,480 was saying, well what about your short game? How are 625 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,480 you doing? He goes, I just want to hit it 626 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:19,079 longer and straighter. Right, how is that really the goal? 627 00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,920 You want to hit longer and straighter I mean straighter, yes, 628 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,519 But is longer really the ultimate goal for players who 629 00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:29,400 are getting up in age? 630 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 4: Well, it depends on what level you want to be. 631 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,960 I found that I was about twenty to thirty yards 632 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,800 short of where I needed to be to be on 633 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,840 the Asian circuit. 634 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,639 Speaker 2: And that's just on your drives you talk to just 635 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,559 on my drives. Yeah, I would think it's like that's 636 00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:52,480 where the distance is. The most important is that first shot, 637 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,599 but after that you've got a lot of other clubs 638 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:56,719 in your bag to help you out. 639 00:35:57,559 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and that's where short short game is priority. 640 00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:09,119 Speaker 1: But to that guy that you've just asked. 641 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 4: Me about, Stu you're listening, I think that's where the 642 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,280 US Tour and other tours sort of promote that sort 643 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,360 of thing where they put a high emphasis on Bubba 644 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,440 hitting at three hundred and fifty yards or three hundred 645 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,920 and sixty yards, so when people go out, they want 646 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,360 to hit that long ball and don't realize that it 647 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,239 doesn't matter so long as I can find a way 648 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,960 to get the ball in the hole and. 649 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: The fewest shots possible. 650 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 4: Whether it's being able to get up and down from 651 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:48,039 fifty meters all the time, or I only hit my 652 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,840 drives two hundred meters but I hit them straight and 653 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,599 then hit the next one on the green and hold apart, 654 00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,360 I don't honestly, I don't think it matters. But I 655 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,800 think the US well I'm just specifying the US too, 656 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,320 but there are other tours out there that you hear 657 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,760 When Gary McColl and plaid a cost us all the 658 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,559 time saying, Wow, he's hit that three hundred ninety yachts, 659 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,880 and I think that's just makes everyone else go, well, 660 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,440 I need to hit at that fine. And it even 661 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,039 affected made to that point. I spent probably last yeh 662 00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,559 on a chase yachtich where where I shouldn't have. I 663 00:37:23,559 --> 00:37:25,559 should have been focusing in other areas. 664 00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, it makes me think that maybe, 665 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:37,400 just maybe that this emphasis on distance is part is 666 00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:41,920 part of what's contributing to so many people leaving the game. 667 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,199 You know. I mean there's no golf courses being built 668 00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:48,920 in this country. There was this huge, uh you know, 669 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,119 onslaught of construction being done because they wanted to make 670 00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:55,159 longer courses and longer courses and seven thousand yard courses. 671 00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:59,079 And most people, you know, they're quitting. They're like, I 672 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,679 can't play this, can't hit it. Well I can't, you know. 673 00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:05,119 And so with all this emphasis on going along all 674 00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,920 the time, maybe that's what's turning people away from it. 675 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,119 Speaker 4: I've got to disagree with you on that point, Fred, please. 676 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,599 I actually think it's the length of time that we're taking. 677 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: To play golf. 678 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 2: Turning people away. 679 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,320 Speaker 1: I think so. 680 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 2: Yes, so how do we do how do we fix that? 681 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,079 Speaker 1: Honestly don't know to. 682 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 4: I know that yesterday when I played, we took five 683 00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,280 hours in a full ball to play eight eight holes. 684 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,079 Speaker 2: That's too long. 685 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,079 Speaker 1: That's too long, and that's basically four pros. 686 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 2: And actually touring golf, especially today, it seems to take 687 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,000 more than four hours to play around on when they 688 00:38:51,199 --> 00:38:52,840 were watching on television. 689 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,679 Speaker 4: And that's where the PGA Tour and and other tours 690 00:38:57,679 --> 00:39:02,639 have to lead. By example, you see the guys on 691 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,679 TV and they take forever to find out their yardage 692 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,000 and their caddy and them talking over whether or not 693 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:13,960 to hit this club, what it is to get over 694 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:17,840 this bunker and all that, and it's just I think 695 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,960 if the tours clamp down a lot harder than what 696 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,639 they do on bad times and pushing people through, then 697 00:39:27,679 --> 00:39:33,559 it'll go down to amateurs because all they do on 698 00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:36,320 tour is they just find guys. And when you're at 699 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,480 that level, thousand and two thousand dollars doesn't really mean 700 00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:44,079 anything to them. But if they started, if they started 701 00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:47,920 taking adding shots to their game. So let's say guys 702 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,000 on the number or one in front of the cart 703 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,159 and they give him a two straight penalty and now 704 00:39:53,159 --> 00:39:54,039 he's missed the cart. 705 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 1: That'll change things, that's what I believe. 706 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,199 Speaker 2: Oh, that's an interesting thought. Instead of penalizing them financially, 707 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,599 penalize them on their card. 708 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 4: Penalize them on their card, and once they start missing 709 00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:10,760 carts because they start getting penalties, then they'll start speeding up. 710 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:15,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they need the time for those commercials to 711 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:16,480 pay for the broadcast. 712 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,679 Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with that, Fred. 713 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,320 Speaker 2: No, No, they'd find a way to get it in. 714 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,679 I'm sure they would. 715 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 4: They just they just fool around doing like you have 716 00:40:28,039 --> 00:40:30,599 the yardage book, and there's so much information on the 717 00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,480 yardage book of from this sprinkler. It's that it's two 718 00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,800 hundred yards to carry that bunker, and it's like, well, 719 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,039 sometimes you need it, but then the caddy and the 720 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,599 player go through. Well do I lay up short of 721 00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:46,760 it or do I go over? What's the advantage of 722 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,039 going over? Can I get it up and down from 723 00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,519 that area? Or am I better off laying back and 724 00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,079 hitting a full shot in. It's so those other sort 725 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,599 of things that take the time. 726 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,519 Speaker 2: So interesting. Well, Darren, I wish you all the luck 727 00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:07,920 on the entire planet. In the world and hope that 728 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,119 we get to see your name in the newspaper on 729 00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:11,239 a regular basis. 730 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:12,760 Speaker 1: Thank you, Fred. 731 00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:17,599 Speaker 2: But you need one before you go. You've got it 732 00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:20,440 for Richard. What's the name of the restaurant. We got 733 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,599 to plug the restaurant? 734 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 4: Well, actually, and I need to plug the restaurant because 735 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,360 it's the biggest phosphoid chine in the world. 736 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: Oh, it's the one with the golden oches. 737 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 2: Oh okay? And does he have more than one that 738 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,480 you work at? 739 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,039 Speaker 1: I just work at one, but hey has more than one? 740 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 2: Well, Richard, thank you, that's very kind of you for 741 00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:46,440 being so generous and letting Darren get his game on 742 00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:49,039 and hopefully become a success. 743 00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: Andie's wife Annie as well, And. 744 00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 2: Thank you Annie. Richard and Annie, we appreciate that. So 745 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,559 when you're playing, you're wearing a McDonald's shirt. 746 00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,800 Speaker 1: Huh, I am Do. 747 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,159 Speaker 2: You have name tag that has a little on it 748 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:04,760 as well as your name on it? 749 00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: Only at work? Only at work? 750 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 2: And have you ever asked any of your playing partners 751 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,800 if they wanted fries with that? Not? 752 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,599 Speaker 1: If I can help with Darren? 753 00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. I really appreciate you reaching out because 754 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,519 I find this to be an absolutely fascinating story, and 755 00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,360 I hope that you have great success with this. 756 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,199 Speaker 1: Thank you, Fred, it's been enjoyable, and. 757 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,519 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to my pleasure. Maybe we'll get 758 00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:38,960 you a Golf Smarter shirt to wear someday on the tour. 759 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,679 Speaker 1: That would be very nice. I would enjoy that immensely.