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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos. I am Dana Valley coming

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at you with my certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes.

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We have a very fun episode for you today. We

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have one hot take for every NBA team heading into

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this season. But at the end, stay tuned. We had

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a bunch of submissions from subscribers, listeners, Discord members, Twitter followers,

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the whole nine and I selected the best, like or

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the most what we thought were the best fifteen or so,

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so your submissions may have made it to the end

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of the show about whether this is essentially going to

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be we're each providing a hot take, but we're also

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the other person's gonna have to judge whether we think

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it's hot or not. So this is a lot of fun.

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We're also putting out a podcast on a Saturday, so

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you're welcome or I'm sorry. It feels like a trillion

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years since and I have podcasted, even though we did

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a stream following the Karl Anthony Towns trade, we did have.

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I mentioned this to our Discord members lost to it's

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not lost because it's up. Go check out the NBA podcast.

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But we did lead past rankings, so we had three

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hours locked and loaded, graphics and stuff ready for you

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to go on YouTube. That shit ain't seem the light

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of day anymore. Folks blame Minnesota and New York and

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I guess Charlotte tangentially, but they didn't really do too much.

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Grant and everyone shout out to Grant. He's just recovering

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from being sick this week, which is why we're recording

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so later in the week, and he's powering through to

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do it. It's not even just another podcast, It's in

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every team podcast. So shout out Grant Hughes as always.

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How are you feeling, mister Hughes.

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Speaker 2: I'm feeling excited and also in need of clarification because,

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as I've mentioned to you, the whole hot take thing, Like,

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I think it's pretty clear I have a lot of

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failings as a person and a podcaster, But like my

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grip on what is and is in a hot take

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is real loose.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: So I feel like I ask you this all the time,

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but in your mind, so if we're saying this is

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a hot take or it is not a hot take,

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like when we're doing the judging portion of it, is

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it is it a hot take if it's in the

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sweet spot of oh that's kind of implausible, but I

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like it. Or is it a hot take if it's

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like that's never happening.

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Speaker 1: No, I think you've me that's a delusional take. And

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so it's just like I think there's fire through Where

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is it hot or not? So if it I view

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a hot take as it's something you believe but you

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don't necessarily set out for it to be, even though

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the theme of this podcast is hot takes, but it's

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it's something you believe that you think is contrarian to

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what everybody else believes, and that determines the level of

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hotness where I like, if you sit here when you

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do because Grant has the west eye of the East

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and you're like, Steph Curry will lead the Warriors and scoring,

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that's not a hot take.

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Speaker 2: That's not a hot take because everybody believes that, right.

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Speaker 1: But if you're sitting here and like if like trying

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to be purposely contring where Steph Curry is going to

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rank fifth on the Warriors and points per game, well,

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it's like, okay, no, so that's also not a hot take.

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It's a well it is, it's diluted at that it's

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too hot, that's what it is. So it's it's so

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it's is it hot or not? And then is it

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too hot? So that you get into the mix of that.

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And as I was going through it before, we get

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started very quickly anything I do. I actually changed a

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couple from trades because I found myself predicting trades a lot.

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And you know why those feel so hot because of

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just the I know, we just had the Karl Anthony

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Towns blockbuster, but teams are just still trying to figure

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out how to navigate and plan like on a year

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by year basis, with the first Apron the second Apron,

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the limitations within they work, and how we saw it

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with the Nixon Timberwolves, where these apron teams functionally can't

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trade with one another unless it's a dollar for dollar match,

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which makes it interesting. So inherently, if you're sitting here saying,

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like any trade happens, it's almost a hot take because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I think I think where I get

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into trouble is like the bold prediction, right, is its

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own thing where it's like when you make bold predictions,

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it's like I'm not sure I think this will happen. Like,

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and if you make ten bold predictions, like the target

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you're just making a case for why it's plausible. So

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what is the conventional wisdom? Where do I diverge from it?

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in that it's like not insane, but it also just

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has to not be conventional wisdom.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great when when we're both

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doing bold predictions. I mean, Bleach Report never asked us

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to do bold predictions or fake trades. It's really weird,

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but they never ask us to do them. But on

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the off chance we have to do them bold predictions

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like a ten percent or twenty percent rate on these things.

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But with the hot takes, I don't I actually don't

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know if some of these are hot. There's more conviction

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behind what word Like all these are things that if

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you ask me to predict, I don't know if I would,

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But there are things that I actually believe some of them.

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I wouldn't predict if I don't want to be wrong.

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Speaker 2: So even the hot takes that I'm gonna give that

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I don't actually believe I will sell them as if

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I do, so they fall into the hot take a bucket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Maybe there are consensus hot takes?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. We should probably start We're just I'm

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I feel like I'm slightly less confused than usual.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we're gonna go alphabetically across the whole league, which

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is always a dangerous proposition because the alphabet for some

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reason changes all the time. Grant, it's just one of

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those moving targets. We begin with the Atlanta Hawks. Look

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at that already experts in the alphabet. I have the

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Eastern Conference. So grant hot or not. Jalen Johnson's max

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salary in an extension that he tacicely could sign before

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this podcast comes out is thirty eight point seven million dollars.

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I think he will get thirty three million dollars or

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more in his extension or if this goes to restricted

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free agency, his next deal. Is that hot or not?

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's hot because I personally agree with you.

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but I think I think the expectation should be that

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he gets real close to the max, right, I think.

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has just had the one breakout year, But like in

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a lot of cases, that's enough, given his youth, given

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the position he plays, given all of the you know,

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the production he's had to this point. So I guess

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hot take, because I do I just agree with you.

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I think that's about the number, if you know, thirty

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that's totally within play.

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would be hot just because he's had one season. He

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hasn't like had a season yet where he's averaged fifteen

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minutes fifteen minutes more than fifteen minutes per game and

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played in more than sixty five games because last year

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was supposed to be that year and ends I'm not

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hitting the game's minimum. I also find it and maybe

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this just gets resolved in restricted free agency? What are

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the Hawks doing? I just had this conversation with Lauren

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Williams from the AJC, and it's their direction is fascinating

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because they don't control their next three picks. They just

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drafted Zachary Reci's shade number one. Overall, they won't pay

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the tax. We know that, Yet Trey Young makes a

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bunch of money. Jalen Johnson's coming up and what could

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be a mega extension, so I don't know. And then

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player makes me wonder would they And if he's gonna

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sign it and he's dealt with some injuries, is he

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just going to take like thirty million? So I probably

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agree with you that it wouldn't. It's not a hot

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enough daste. So if I sat here and said, Jalen

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Johnson get the max, would you consider that hot?

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the reasons you outline, Like it's not like there aren't

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questions here about him. He's definitely the best, like the

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most maxible candidate that Atlanta has and would be the

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most maxible candidate that like a lot of teams would have.

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if he just got the max, it would be, it

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would be a sub. We would we would have a

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discussion about it, and we would talk about all the

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reasons why that might be a bad call, right, And.

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Speaker 1: I won't predict because I honestly don't think he's gonna

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probably because he went to RFA like he gets an extension.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which means that per the alphabet, we get to

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move on to your Boston Celtics. How exciting is that

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Grant Hughes hot or not, Jalen Brown will lead the

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team in points per game. Now do I need to

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give you well, do I need to give you my

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rationale behind it? I don't think so. First you need

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to tell me if it's hot or not.

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Speaker 2: My first reaction is that's a hot take just because

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sweet spot you want because you know, finals MVP like

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just kind of continues to get better. Uh, but are

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you factoring in that Jason Tatum is still seventeen years

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old and could get a lot.

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Speaker 1: From nineteen Grant he's aged a little. No, he's not aged.

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then I think many people realized last season because maybe

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they're still remembering when Jason Tatum averaged thirty points a

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game in twenty two twenty three, Jaysa was at twenty

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six point nine, Jalen Brown was at twenty three. Now

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my rationale is there might be more. There should be

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more shots to go around because of christophs Porzingi's injury,

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and Xavier Tillman and Namy his Cada. But the other

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thing for me is I really think that Jason Tatum

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is going to have a career year as a playmaker

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and so kind of the version we saw of him

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towards like the last his last seven games of the playoffs,

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not just in the finals where he averaged over seven

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assists per game. I think that's gonna be more of

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a focus from him, and maybe subconsciously he might be

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thinking about I want to have the same type, because

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isn't it weird, Like Jayson Tatum could average twenty seven

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points five assists and we're like kind of eh, but

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if he averaged like twenty five and eight or nine,

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we'd be like, Wow, he belongs to the MVP discussion.

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of a season. I don't know conviction level behind this,

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if I had to assign, like on a scale of

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one to ten, is probably like a five. Like I'm

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very much in the middle of it. But I also

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think Jalen Brown is blossom enough in terms of his

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scoring package, and also kind of just understanding that, all right,

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they need me to play make when I'm getting downhill.

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I can't have a tunnel vision, but like, you're not

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going to lean on Jalen Brown for a ton of

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secondary playmaking. So I think just kind of understanding his

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identity coupled with I really do think that we're gonna

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see Jason Tatum focus on playmaking this year. That's where

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I'm gonna go with. But this is this is one

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of the ones that I feel like could age like milk.

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it's the whole, the whole thing with Tatum of like,

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well he's he's not a top five guy, and like

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it's just well it doesn't matter. They got a title now,

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so who cares. But it's like the way he might

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change that narrative is by a sort of adding a

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new not adding because he can already do it, but

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like really like cranking up the non score aspects of

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his game, and like Brown, I don't like Brown can't

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do that right or it's like there's not a lot

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of evidence to suggests that Brown has like a bunch

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of playmaking upside, whereas Tatum like actually has already shown

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that and is just better to begin with. So I

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do like, I do like the thinking of how you

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get there. So it's it's a hot take, but it's

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like there's a real like logical underpinning to it. So

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it's not too hot, No, it's appropriately hot.

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Speaker 1: That appropriately hot. Next up is your Brooklyn Nets. Now

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my hot take is Ben Simmons will be promoted to

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social media manager or not. But so my actual prediction,

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this one does deserve a little preamble. I'm saying Cam

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Thomas will have a thirty five usage rate or higher. Now,

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Luca Dacis was the only player in the league to

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have that last year, So that's the framing behind this

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and Cam Thomas, for what it's worth, did rank eleventh

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in usage rate last year? Hot or not?

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to decide if it would be a hot

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take to say he was going to lead the league

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in scoring? Did you consider that at all? I feel

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like you see that out there every once in a while.

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Speaker 1: That's like, you know what would have scared me? I

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never believed it, But what was scaring away from his

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everyone thinking that Jordan Poole had a chance at the

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scoring title last year in Washington and look at you.

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Did you predict this on last year's episode? It might

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have been a bolder I don't know. It's I could.

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Speaker 2: I can one hundred percent see myself being talked into like, yeah,

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he's gonna shoot thirty two times a game, like he's

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going to back into the scoring title. But yeah, no,

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is it hot or not?

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Speaker 1: That's a high usage rate.

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Speaker 2: I do well, everybody expects him to shoot a ton

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right for a bad team it's the situation, like that's

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how he's wired, and it's a somebody's got to do

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it situation. Thirty five percent is so high.

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Speaker 1: You know what if they trade him to a good

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team to write except so that good good teams want

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camp Thomas, Dan, I don't know, way too low on Campton.

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I know I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm way too long Campton. I'm way too low on

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that player type in general. Although I did, I don't

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know if you saw.

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Speaker 1: It, mister, don't trade Jordan Poole for SGA. That's the

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only reason why I ever said that.

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Speaker 2: I refuse to believe it. You could show me video

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of me saying that it would be fake. You doctored it.

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The cam Thomas, I think I saw a clip from

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Media to Day, and so I don't have context for it.

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But he he was kind of asked like do you

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have to prove? Like kind of question. It might have

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been in the context of like an extension or whatever,

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and his response was kind of like, I've you guys

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know who I am more or less like I've proved

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I've proved it, and so I can't decide if that

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makes me think like he actually really is going to

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go out and prove it this year and is really

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gonna chuck or if it's like he's just gonna kind

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of be the same guy and not really up his usage,

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up his you know, his shot volume, all that stuff.

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It's just the logical conclusion here is that he just

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like he's gonna shoot a ton, right, Like that's just

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on this team.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna do it if not him? The two things

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where I would provide push back to my own hot

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take would be he's so low turnover that that could shot.

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Speaker 2: But bad shots are turnover, I mean, you know, for

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all tens of purposes.

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Speaker 1: But he did kind of ratchet up to playmaking last year,

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and if they envisioned him as like, well, we're gonna

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try and plumb the depths of him as a passer,

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that will bring his Basketball reference usage rate down. We

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could get into total usage, which would factor and assists.

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So there is a scenario to me in which maybe

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he just kind of has the same usage rate, if

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not a little lower, because he's focusing more on being

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a passer. There's also this scenario in which he if

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he gets traded, which he could if they don't like

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they're entering this interesting phase where you don't want to

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be the raptors necessarily, where you're kind of early on

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in your rebuild, but everyone's getting paid their second and

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third contract by you, so there's that to account for.

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And then there's also just they might just cap what

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he's doing, where this could be more of an egalitarian approaches.

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They're trying to figure out more information about other guys

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on their team, whether it's like a trendon Watford with

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the ball in his hands or Jalen Wilson. So I

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think it's pretty hot. Just Luca was the only player

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last year to have it, so it has to be hot.

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But I don't think for the reasons that you just outlaid.

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I don't think it's inappropriately hot. Yeah, I'm with you.

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Our next team is your Charlotte Hornets, your favorite team

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of all time. So my prediction or hot take is

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lamellow Ball will make an All NBA team.

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Speaker 2: That's hot. That's a hot take. Games games played, not

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a lot of evidence he's gonna hit that. That's one

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way your conventional wisdom would say he's not gonna do it.

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It's real hard to make an All NBA team as

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a guard. That's another factor. It's not like out of

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the blue though, because the guy's been an All Star,

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Like the arrow was pointing way up until the ankle

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stuff started to happen a couple of years ago. So

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it's it's hot, but it's like not shocking, Like you're

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not like blown away if he winds up third team

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All NBA, Right, that's that's not so. I think you're

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just like you're threading the just hot enough needle here,

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like pretty effectively.

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Speaker 1: So far. I feel like this might be an agenda

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of mine. I just feel like people are way too

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low the Melo ball because of the injuries and grant

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through their first four seasons. There have been three players

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throughout NBA history who've averaged twenty points and seven assists LaMelo,

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Luca and Trey. If this guy is healthy, you don't

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have to say he'll make an All NBA team. I

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think he's absolutely an All NBA caliber. Yeah, now, I

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think I actually think what's spicier is not that LaMelo

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will have the numbers to warrant All NBA. It's you

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mentioned the availability. You know, is he more likely to

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end the season with seventy games played or wearing a

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brace that goes from ankle to thigh. And the other

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thing would be, can you make all NBA playing for

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this iteration of the Hornets? Are they going to be

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good enough to wear like the bar for just like

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a play? Like people get mad that Lebron and ad

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made all NBA teams last year the Lakers won where

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they were at forty six games. I don't think the Hornets,

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even if they stay healthy, a're gonna win forty six games.

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And we already know they're not staying healthy because Mark

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Williams is injured.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no that I mean there's a lot of

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obstacles right the Mark Williams, things like come on, can

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we just there's there's so many teams right now where

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it's like, can these guys catch a break? We'll get

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to Memphis in a minute. But yeah, that one hurts. Okay,

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that's another good one. Oh, I've already been looking at

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your next one. I'm eager to get to the Bulls one.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, the Chicago Bulls. They will trade Kobe White

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by the trade deadline.

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Speaker 2: Explain explain your reasoning to me?

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Speaker 1: Before I went in the Wizards already explained my reasoning,

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because they flipped any Avia at the peak of his

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value on a bargain bin extension that he will not

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extend off because the number, the one hundred and forty

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percent raised from his salary is declining. So it's you know,

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it gets to twelve or thirteen million, he's not taking

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one hundred and forty percent of that, And if he does,

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it's because something has gone It's been a catastrophe. Kobe

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White's in the same boat, except that it's coming up

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even sooner. He's two years left on his deal, including

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this one. He's not extending off of a sub thirteen

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million dollars salary. It's just not going to happen. And

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if you were the Bulls, you could say, like, all right,

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he's sort of young, so you want to pay him

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a bunch of money before you're good enough for that

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to matter, And like, the best thing he's gonna do

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is what ruin your ability to have a high draft pick.

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And the other thing here and why I'm predicting it,

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I don't think that the Bulls have had this revelation,

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and we know they're rebuilding. For all we know they

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might fancy themselves contenders still Tomatos and Andre Drummond, those

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like those guys were auditioned by subtraction. Caruso, you have

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Josh Gidding now, who in some way is going to

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infringe upon the usage of Kobe White. I understand Kobe

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White is good enough to play off of other primary

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ball handlers, but when you just saw his own progression

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on the ball last year as even a decision maker,

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even if you maybe don't trust the shot making. Why so, my,

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if you were another team and the Magic would be

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the team that I say, like, oh, just go out

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and get Kobe White if you can get two first

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round picks and a young guy, Like if you got

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Trician da Silva and two first round picks from the Magic,

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or even if it was Jet Howard and two first

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round picks for the Mat, just fucking take that deal. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the Magic's a great example, not just because

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of the positional need they have and the and the

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off just general offensive needs that they have, but like

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it's harder for me to imagine, even though he's young,

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like a bad team or a rebuilder wanting Kobe White

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because or wanting him as much as a team like

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Orlando that does have like win now designs, just because

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if you're a bad team and you bring White on,

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it's like, well, first of all, why are we trading

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the kind of stuff Chicago would want? We need those picks,

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we're bad. And then also like you just put yourself

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in the same position where once like you can't you're

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not going to extend him, So it would have to

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be a team that wants what Kobe White can give

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them like this year, next year, and then we'll just

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observe we'll just take on the hazard of him hitting

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unrestricted free agency, which again is like that's that's a

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point that like we discuss all the time, but it's

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like it's it's important because this is one of those

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weird situations where like his contract is too good for

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him to be maximumly valuable to the team he's on.

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So it's something needs to change in the CBA to

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where like this situation doesn't happen because you're really penalized

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for signing a guy to a good deal.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I could.

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Speaker 2: I mean, from the bulls perspective, I do think it

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makes sense to trade him because you do you know,

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this is two years down the road, whatever you could,

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you could just lose him for nothing like that really

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is like in the cards, and that is all. I

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say that all the time, and it doesn't always happen,

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but it's always something I'm gonna be concerned about just

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because it's such a One, it's a terrible look and

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two it's just like so destructive to your team planning

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to just watch a good player walk.

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Speaker 1: It also just happened to them because they didn't really

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get anything for Tomorto Rosen Right, yeah, right, no, I

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I the Spurs got something for tomorrow, Rod.

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Speaker 2: What are the Spurs gonna get for Kobe White? We'll see.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it would be a sneaky

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team for him. If you're Detroit, would you trade one

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of your young wings for Kobe White? Because I'm assuming

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the Bulls don't want Jade and Ivy if they have

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Josh Giddy there, Yeah, I mean you trade Jade and

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Ivy and one of your own first round picks for

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Kobe White? I think.

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Speaker 2: Again you run into the same problem the Bulls have.

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But the fit is so much more sensible of White

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next to Kate Cunningham than like I just named the

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other Pistons guard wing that you would like to think

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about in the deal. So are you talking about like,

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are you talking Thompson or Holland or like, I don't

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think they're trading either of those guys, would you?

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Speaker 1: But I'm asking if I don't think I would trade,

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you have so much equity investment in both, And I

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personally wouldn't trade Thompson for Kobe White because I'm so

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high on a star Thompson. I just haven't seen enough

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of Ron Holland, but he was number one on Johnathan

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Wasserman's of Bleach Reports Big Board. So my guess, my

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gut would say, no, they're not giving up one of

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00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:41,039
the young wings. I do wonder like you could maybe

475
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,480
rope into the like if you were giving up Jade

476
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,240
and Ivy and a first round pick. I wonder if

477
00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:47,319
that would be like, you know, maybe it peak the

478
00:21:47,319 --> 00:21:49,200
Bulls interest or can you rally a third team who

479
00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:50,759
values j n Ivy to the point that they'll send

480
00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:52,359
the Bulls another first round pick or something?

481
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 2: I think before we move on, Like, isn't it just

482
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,160
such an amazing uh, Like I don't know symptom of

483
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,559
the Bulls like status as roster builders that the two

484
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,200
players on the best contracts on the team. White and

485
00:22:05,279 --> 00:22:08,240
Iodson mu are like guys they should probably trade because

486
00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:10,640
they can't resign them, but they can't extend them. They

487
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,720
could resign them. We always like just blow over that possibility.

488
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,279
But it's like, if you're either of those guys, all

489
00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:18,440
things being equal, are you gonna take the same money

490
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,720
from Chicago or you're gonna go somewhere else? Like I

491
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,200
don't know. The extension thing is so ridiculous.

492
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,200
Speaker 1: By the way, I came very close to predicting that

493
00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:30,799
Lonzo Ball would play in forty two or more games

494
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,839
this year. I would love to just manifest that into existence.

495
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: I'm so ready for Lonzo Ball to be good again.

496
00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:39,240
It's just like completely irrational, but that's one of my

497
00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:41,680
I'm definitely hoping for that.

498
00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:44,799
Speaker 1: Our next team is the Cleveland Cavaliers, and I have

499
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,480
I might need to change this one a little bit,

500
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,240
so I'm prepared to move up from it. Evan Mobley

501
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,359
will double history point attempts per game. Now. The problem

502
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,960
here is he averaged one point two last year. When

503
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,000
he came back from injury, he was at one point eight.

504
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,839
So maybe I'll reframe it to say Evan Moley will

505
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,440
average at least three three point attemps per game next season.

506
00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm disappointed if you're wrong. So I don't know.

507
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,160
I don't know what you know, right, Like that isn't

508
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,000
that that just has to happen and new coach, So

509
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,079
maybe maybe Kenny Atkinson like gets him to do what

510
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,839
he hasn't in the past more than Yeah, I don't

511
00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,839
know if that's hot enough, Dan. I think I think

512
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,480
like the mark needs to be like he's gonna get

513
00:23:27,559 --> 00:23:30,680
up if you said he's gonna get up five a game, Like.

514
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: Have we ever seen someone go from one point two

515
00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:39,319
to five? I have no idea.

516
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of just like who, well, like

517
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,960
like a brook Lopez situation maybe where it's just like

518
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,799
does not shoot threes and suddenly that's the most important

519
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:49,319
part of his offensive game. I don't even know if

520
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:53,319
Lopez did that though, like just because I'm trying to think, like,

521
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,319
I guess it was he did.

522
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: He went Okay, that was a great good. Give me

523
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,559
the numbers. So twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen in Brooklyn zero

524
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,680
point two to three point attemps per game. Twenty sixteen

525
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,720
twenty seventeen in Brooklyn, five point two attempts per game.

526
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,279
We're talking about over seventy appearances in each season, So.

527
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: Like ten exit, is that what you're telling me?

528
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,759
Speaker 1: From here to he more than ten xtit forty xdit

529
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,319
whatever Nobley's gonna get up.

530
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Eighteen three is a game. You heard it here first.

531
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,079
Speaker 1: You know you're probably right that maybe I should have

532
00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:28,519
been more ambitious here because I think a lot of

533
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,559
Calves fans or people who cover the Caps push back

534
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,240
and say it's not normally shooting that's as important as

535
00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:36,440
him developing his handle. But the best way to try

536
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,640
and get him in situations to handle the ball is

537
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,000
space the floor so that you can catch it and

538
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:42,039
then attack that way.

539
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this with with another team. We're

540
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:45,880
going to get to and we're not going to talk

541
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,559
about him, So it's not like burning the idea, but

542
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,400
like the idea Klay Thompson, like Klay Thompson has never

543
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,440
been like, oh my god, look at that handle, but

544
00:24:55,559 --> 00:24:57,880
like that guy got to the rim like a lot

545
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,079
for someone with no bag and like, you know, no

546
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,559
real offensive zip just cause oh my god, he's gonna

547
00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:06,000
shoot it. I have to close out at a million

548
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,200
miles an hour. Mobley's never going to be anything like that.

549
00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:11,079
But if like a cornerstone of his game becomes a

550
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,680
willingness to shoot threes without hesitation on the catch, like

551
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,759
suddenly he's gonna look like a better ball handler and driver.

552
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,119
So like, I think you're focused very much on the

553
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,000
right thing. I just I mean, like, yeah, my number's five,

554
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,599
Like I think he's got to get up five and that,

555
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,680
and like he probably won't, but that would be the

556
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,880
hot take territory for me.

557
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,039
Speaker 1: Well, wait, we need to we should timeline this out

558
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:35,480
properly because so Brook Lopez, who was coaching the Nets

559
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,400
in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, that was do you remember

560
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,319
Off Cuff? I mean, no Act Hollins and Tony Brown,

561
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,720
and then the next season, guess who comes in is Act?

562
00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:51,759
Oh wow, my god, it's gonna happen. So the proper

563
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,160
adjustment would be Evan Mobley. Should we meet in the

564
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,640
middle and say four, what do you think it needs

565
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,160
to be five?

566
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: I think it to be a hot take, it's five

567
00:25:59,319 --> 00:25:59,920
because it's.

568
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: I honestly believe it's gonna be five now because of

569
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,839
just the I had no idea that I've forgotten about

570
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,160
the Brook Lopez jump. Which really funny is I was

571
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,119
covering that team on a day to day basis, like

572
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,240
boots on the ground, that first NET team under Kenny Atkinson,

573
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,359
and the whole Brook Lopez shooting threes thing was a revelation.

574
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,799
I guess I didn't appreciate in real time that he

575
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,279
went from point two to three point at times per

576
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,839
game to five point two. I mean, he kind.

577
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,079
Speaker 2: Of, but he really I haven't as you've been talking,

578
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:27,759
I've been trying to think of somebody else at a

579
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,319
jump like that, and Lopez might just be the only guy.

580
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: Like I'm he has the same coach though, like, come.

581
00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:35,799
Speaker 2: On, it helps, it helps, Like he's He's gonna definitely

582
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,200
go to Evan Mobley and say, like it worked for

583
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,039
this guy who also now is like a defensive Player

584
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:43,160
of the Year perennial candidate, kind of like you like,

585
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:46,200
not not the worst blue Now, if Jared Allen starts

586
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,839
getting up five threes, then we'll know something's really going on.

587
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: What Okay, If Evan Molbley's taken five threes a game

588
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,839
and hitting them at a league average clip, what is

589
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,200
he like? Forget about the rest of his offensive game,

590
00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,440
he becomes the what best player in the NBA, like

591
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,759
within the next half decade, like no lower than the ten.

592
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,559
Speaker 2: Like I don't I was gonna be like, I don't know,

593
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,319
top twenty five. You really went for it, uh, I mean.

594
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: Think about what he does defensively and if he's shooting

595
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,279
league average on like real volume from three, Yeah.

596
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,599
Speaker 2: He becomes like Jonathan Isaac, except if Jonathan Isaac played

597
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,640
thirty three minutes a game and shot three and shot more,

598
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,599
so player doesn't exist, I guess, so he would be.

599
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's immensely.

600
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,519
Speaker 2: He's so valuable as it is, but just like that

601
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:38,920
dimension would be what he'd be bam Adebayo with a

602
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,480
three point shot altering I don't know, Like, yeah, it

603
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720
makes I would if if you told me that that

604
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,519
Evan Mobley finished the season averaging five threes a game

605
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:51,079
at like thirty five percent, I would say the Cavs

606
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,599
have the best record in the East by like five games.

607
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,759
Just like there's I mean, that's a hot thing. Well,

608
00:27:58,079 --> 00:27:59,440
I mean they might have the best record in the

609
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,599
East anyway. I don't know what the playoff situation is

610
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:03,839
going to be, but like that would change everything for them.

611
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:05,559
It would be because because.

612
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: Altering for sure.

613
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then like yeah, we can play Isaacakoro. We

614
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,000
don't care, we have we're getting. We're getting volume three

615
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,440
point shooting from this position that nobody so many like

616
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:17,000
nobody else really does. Now we can just put this

617
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,920
awesome defender out that like it changes your whole like

618
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:22,319
roster makeup, potentially good one.

619
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad we stumbled into the brook Lopez, Kenny Atkinson

620
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,839
little and I don't because a look at Jermaine here,

621
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:31,200
Kenny Atkins literally go to the cabs. Now that's amazing.

622
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:34,039
Speaker 2: Turn oh man, take a break, Dan, that was the

623
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,880
run for you. I got a couple in a row here. Okay,

624
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:38,440
So based on yours, this already feels like not hot enough.

625
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,519
But I think Derek Lively is going to break the

626
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,440
all time field goal percentage record, which was set by

627
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,319
his teammate Daniel Gafford last season at seventy two point

628
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:49,000
five percent. Now that you can get some like really

629
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:51,640
wonky numbers if you don't filter for like qualify, if

630
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,319
you don't make sure they qualify for the field goal

631
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:58,200
percentage league league lead, but like seventy two point five percent,

632
00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:00,599
is very, very high. I just think think the case

633
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,240
is that Lively has never been in a better position

634
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,000
to just do what he's really good at, which is

635
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,359
catch and finish. He's gonna have more space to roll, more,

636
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:13,319
more space to potentially offensive rebound because everybody's gonna be

637
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:16,400
like sucked out on Klay Thompson and the Luca Kyrie

638
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,599
like two headed monster of playmaking is going to command

639
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,839
a ton of defensive attention. You can't like adequately cover

640
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,240
all those threats and also close down the defensive boards

641
00:29:26,319 --> 00:29:28,440
very well. So I think he's getting a million putbacks.

642
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,519
I think if I'm gonna critique this, it's one maybe

643
00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:34,720
not you know, out there enough, and two it presumes

644
00:29:34,759 --> 00:29:38,559
he's gonna, you know, play enough, not get hurt, not

645
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,359
get you know, minutes taken away by Gafford like that

646
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,319
kind of thing. It's a percentage stat so it's like

647
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:46,440
he just needs to qualify. But still, I don't know,

648
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:47,160
what are your thoughts?

649
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,799
Speaker 1: Hot? Not hot, not hot enough? I think it might

650
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,240
be appropriately hot just because he's going he put up

651
00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:55,680
shots between like three and ten feet last year and

652
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,759
hit them at a fifty percent clip, and so I

653
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:00,440
think or fifty two percent clip whatever it was, that's

654
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,079
a number that could feasibly come down, right, And so

655
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,880
the fact that he shot, I mean, his average shot

656
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,960
distance I'm actually looking now two point seven feet, and

657
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,440
so that makes you think, Okay, that's really not hot enough.

658
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,119
But if he's gonna you know, look at a DeAndre

659
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,359
Jordan like was never putting up those other types of shots.

660
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,279
So the fact that I think there'll be at least

661
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,359
the slightest variability in like, you know, twenty three percent

662
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,559
of his twenty percent of his shots came with three

663
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,599
between three and ten feet last year, So I actually

664
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,480
think that's appropriately hot, Like maybe that share comes down

665
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,480
or but like also how does he deal with being

666
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,720
higher volume too? I assume that this year you mentioned

667
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:36,839
him getting injured, but he might just play more and

668
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,359
have to take more shots. And so you look at

669
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:40,519
it and say, well, what did he shoot on twos

670
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:42,880
last year? He shot seventy five percent on twos? Right,

671
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:47,200
So just like it's hot because like now you're talking

672
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,440
about a larger body of work and there's always just

673
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,359
gonna be variants in there. So you know, if it

674
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,759
was different and we had like okay, this is his

675
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:58,359
fourth season and he's been right around seventy five percent

676
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:00,960
like the entire on his field goals the entire time.

677
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,480
But because he's entering his sophomore year working off a

678
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:05,680
high baseline, defense is going to be more keyed into

679
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,880
his playmaking in the middle of the floor too, which

680
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,079
could end up impacting him. I don't think it's a

681
00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,640
bad hot take. I think it's appropriately hot, though it might.

682
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: Have been more fun to just say, like both him

683
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:17,599
and Gafford will shoot over seventy two percent or something

684
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,559
insane like that, because the man who's got it better

685
00:31:20,599 --> 00:31:23,559
than rolling centers for Dallas, it's just as good as

686
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:26,640
it gets. Let's go to the Denver Nuggets this one.

687
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,119
I feel like he is hot because public sentiment has

688
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:32,359
turned on this guy like nobody's business. I think Jamal

689
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Murray is going to make his first All Star team.

690
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,759
Speaker 1: It were like, move on, it's not happening. Here's the thing.

691
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: Looked awful in the summer during the Olympics, fell off

692
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,039
in the playoffs last year. Has just struggled to stay healthy.

693
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,400
The lower body injuries have kind of piled up over.

694
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,039
You know, it's not like he's been in the league

695
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:55,599
for one hundred years, like he's still relatively young. But yeah,

696
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,960
I just think the case the case is like one

697
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,759
we've just swung too far towards the Jamal Murray is

698
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:03,160
a bad contract. He's never going to get it back,

699
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,640
like we're forgetting He had one of the best really

700
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,759
statistically by a lot of measures, the best year of

701
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,160
his career. Last year shot the best he's ever shot

702
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,440
from three. I think it's forty two. I don't have

703
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,720
the numbers up. I think it's forty two and a

704
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,440
half percent scored over twenty a game. And just like

705
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,640
Christian Brownie picking up the case, not there's not a

706
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,680
lot of case hep slacked to pick up offensively, Christian

707
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,920
Brown's not picking up all of it.

708
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,279
Speaker 1: I think.

709
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,279
Speaker 2: I think Murray is in a position where like more

710
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:30,240
is going to be asked of him. I think unless

711
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,759
you really think Russell Westbrook's gonna run those second units

712
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,039
and it's all gonna go great, Like, don't see that.

713
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,240
So the the argument you'd make, which you should make now,

714
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:41,680
is like he's not staying healthy. He might not even

715
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,559
play enough games to qualify and he's kind of slipping.

716
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,119
I just don't see that based on the bulk of

717
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,680
last year. I think we've gone too far towards Murray's

718
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:50,160
not good.

719
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to I mean, anyone who's saying

720
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Jamal Murray is ain't good is just an idiot, Like

721
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:57,680
I don't know it there, Yeah, but my whole thing

722
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:03,160
is Shay Gills, Alexander Under, Steph Curry, Luka doncic. I mean,

723
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,279
even like the peak of Jamal Murray, which other potential

724
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:10,880
Devin Booker, John Morant, Anthony Edwards. I mean, maybe Anthony

725
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,640
Edwards ends up being a front court player, and I'm

726
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,200
sure maybe there'll be some fun you know, futzing and

727
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,319
fiddling to make Devin Booker from like who is like

728
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,440
the peak of Jamal Murray is better than how many

729
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:26,240
backcourt players in the Western Conference? The ones?

730
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: Not any of those guys you just mentioned.

731
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,279
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you could say Steph's getting older, but

732
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,119
just like how dare you? But it's just a fact.

733
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,319
I'm not saying that he's no, he's mad. You don't

734
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,079
know that he's not the aging like like fourteen year

735
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:44,599
old Jason Tatum. So I just that's way too hot.

736
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,119
I think it's I think it's way too hot. But

737
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,319
I do think it's a nice correction from where the

738
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,640
public sentiment is. And I was having this conversation with

739
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,799
Adam Otdaz during our Denver Nuggets look ahead last year.

740
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,119
I was going on shows Denver Nuggets shows, multiple ones,

741
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:02,200
and they were asked me, is Jamal Murray a top

742
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,599
ten player? And so it's like this time, like coming

743
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,079
that championship glow really does a lot for you. And

744
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:09,679
now it's well, why would the Nuggets max him out? Yeah,

745
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,440
they have no other options, and I don't know who

746
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,320
they trainable, why would they give him max money? So

747
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,679
I do agree with you that the discussion around him

748
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,199
has shifted too far. There's gonna have to be a

749
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,440
rush of snake fights throughout the entire Western Conference back court.

750
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,400
If he's gonna make an All Star team, it's just

751
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,440
if not happening. And frankly, he's not good enough. So

752
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,280
I mean, like we could also, I.

753
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,559
Speaker 2: Think you're the best argument is like, even if he's

754
00:34:33,559 --> 00:34:35,880
fully healthy and does what he did last year for

755
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,719
the first half of the season, like it's just it's

756
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,960
a log jam. There's too many guys that are just better.

757
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,519
Speaker 1: He's gonna come out and average twenty five and eight.

758
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,199
I don't know why I keep coming back to that number,

759
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,519
but like that's the and is he gonna I guess

760
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:50,400
you could say sure, but also I.

761
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,519
Speaker 2: Was gonna say, and like we do have the thing,

762
00:34:52,599 --> 00:34:55,079
it still happens where it's like I don't know that

763
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,440
I I actually do know. I don't think this is

764
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:01,000
likely where the Nuggets are like way ahead of everybody

765
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:03,559
else in the West as voting concludes, and it's like

766
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:05,159
we got to give him two. We can't just have

767
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,679
Jokic like that. That's maybe a way in I don't know,

768
00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,400
because we've had some like semi undeserving All Stars with

769
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,800
that justification in the past.

770
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,119
Speaker 1: Watch him make the All Star Game now, I'm not

771
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,320
I won't feel bad if it's because all these other

772
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:18,920
guys just end up missing time. I just can't see

773
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,320
a pathway to him being better than so many of

774
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,760
these different dudes to me already. Yeah, give me Detroit

775
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,840
short little break. So, speaking of All Stars, Caid Cunningham

776
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,760
will make the All Star Game this year, Grant hot

777
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,760
or not? Hmm.

778
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,159
Speaker 2: I wish I could catalog all the all the guys

779
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:37,599
in the East. I wish I could do the same

780
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,599
thing you did with the West, it's like, so who

781
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:42,079
are the who are the All Star locks in the

782
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:42,639
back court?

783
00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: If healthy? In the East, it's well the other things

784
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,119
just like the positions are so fungible now they're gonna

785
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:49,920
be like, well, kid six six, is he really because

786
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:55,239
you can vote? Yeah, that helps, I think Ja Murray

787
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,800
though he doesn't have that flexibility which is a part

788
00:35:58,039 --> 00:35:58,360
so that.

789
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: By definition, because there's isn't it Like I don't know Haliburton,

790
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:05,079
Jalen Brunson, like those guys are gonna be better than

791
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:07,239
anything Kay does. But then it's like, okay, cool, he's

792
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,320
a forward, so like you just you don't even have

793
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:15,639
to worry about those guys. Ah, it's a little hot.

794
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,079
It's a little hot. I don't think conventional wisdom would

795
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:19,960
expect him to be an All Star, but it's it's

796
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,519
better than the Murray take for sure.

797
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: He ended up at twenty three points, seven and a

798
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,800
half assists last year while hitting thirty five and a

799
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,639
half percent of his threes. He had the step back going.

800
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,320
He'll probably need to get to the basket more finished

801
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,599
better once he gets there, he has actual This is

802
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,760
him working for majority of last season without actual spacing.

803
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:42,320
One of my other hot predictions was almost that Detroit

804
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,400
ranks in the top ten of three point and ten

805
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,599
three because you can say whatever, there's a lot of

806
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:49,320
redundancies with their youth in terms of space that they

807
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,159
occupy our weaknesses. Let's say with Ron Holland, Jasar Thompson,

808
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,119
Jalen Duran's not gonna take threes and then Jay n

809
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:59,480
Ivey's a wild card. But Tobias Harris, Simorty, Fontecio, Malik

810
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,559
Beasley's there, Tim Hardaway Junior is gonna get threes up.

811
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:05,920
If Marcus Sasser plays, he will get threes up. Kate

812
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,159
Cunningham plus spacing is a thing now in Detroit, and

813
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:11,119
that's not something we could say this time last year.

814
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,280
So I think this is someone who's probably gonna be

815
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,400
at like a wouldn't shock me if he let's throw

816
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,880
twenty five and eight out there. I mean he was,

817
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,119
he was twenty three and seven and a half last year.

818
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 2: Twenty five and eight even is I was gonna bring up, like,

819
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,000
what about the team's success component that matters for All Star,

820
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,719
Like twenty five and eight might just make it not

821
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,960
matter if the Pistons aren't winning enough.

822
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:33,559
Speaker 1: I suldn't I mean depend I mean, I guess Jane

823
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,840
and Ivy will play a bunch, but like if Jane

824
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,800
and Ivy's not good, like, this could be a thirty

825
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,920
and ten guy. Really for what, like what level of

826
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,679
the offense is he gonna need to run? Where's the

827
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,440
relief coming? I guess you say Linnel experiment with US R.

828
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,440
Thompson and Ron Holland running things. So I don't I'm

829
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,039
not predicting thirty and ten for Kate Cunningham. But this

830
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,079
is my version of the Jamal Murray where it's because

831
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,039
he's on his fun max. I don't think people are

832
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,079
a you know, like taken aback by what he got.

833
00:37:58,119 --> 00:37:59,800
But also he got a shit ton of money and

834
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:01,440
just maxed him out like a no brainer. And the

835
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,599
discourse was why would you do that? Why not play

836
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,800
the RFA game? And it's you're Detroit, you don't get

837
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,119
you don't have the luxury of doing that. And also

838
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:09,320
I firmly believe that he's good enough. So as you

839
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,639
were kind of coming to the defense of Jamal Murray,

840
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,960
I think people saw there's the injuries with kid from

841
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,880
the previous season, and I think people looked at the

842
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,079
turnover issues he had for like the first quarter of

843
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:21,599
last season or whatever it was, and that just became

844
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,920
the defining issue around him. It's like, well, well those

845
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,320
got better, even though the Pistons really didn't.

846
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I definitely am I've said several times

847
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:36,199
before with the with the RFA stuff like use it

848
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,119
as a tool, like you got you, this is a

849
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:40,400
weapon you can use teams. I don't feel like that

850
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:42,800
was the move with Kate Cunningham and a couple other guys,

851
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,440
like you just paid you just pay that guy at

852
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,440
your first opportunity.

853
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: There's I think, unless you're a market that can actually

854
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,519
cap space to use so like if Detroit. But if

855
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,599
if you are a team like Detroit that's in battled

856
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:55,320
and the players don't have a reason to get like

857
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,079
you're not Philly, like you just don't have the track

858
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,960
record of Darryl Morey in general, like you there's a

859
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,840
new front office there, and just if you're Detroit, I

860
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,360
guess the only reason to have cap space would be

861
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,920
for trades too. No one's coming to for it, like

862
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,960
you yo, you getting free agency, Tobias Harris inflated contract right,

863
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000
So okay, good one.

864
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,639
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Warriors here. I can't wait for

865
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,280
you to weigh in on this, Dan. I think Andrew

866
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,800
Wiggins this season will no longer be viewed as a

867
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,840
bad contract slash deadweight slash negative contract anymore. I think

868
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,079
we're gonna swing back to the days of when he

869
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,480
signed that deal coming off of Holy shit, this guy

870
00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:35,679
was like the second best player on its idle winner

871
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:39,360
for you know, a couple of weeks still happened. I

872
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,039
think we're gonna get closer to that than where we

873
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:44,320
are right now, where it's like, oh my god, he's

874
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,239
coming off a career low and scoring. He was unavailable

875
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,639
for a good chunk of two years and I'm just

876
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,880
looking at this graphic now and I'm I'm so upset.

877
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:53,880
I've never seen it before.

878
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:57,199
Speaker 1: Would appreciated hat tip friend of the podcast Jacob Bourne

879
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,960
for texting me this image. I thought, doesn't Andrew Wiggins

880
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:02,360
look like he was aied in this? I wasn't sure

881
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:03,440
that it was him, but.

882
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: It almost looks like it's well it's I see the

883
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,519
cheers the cheer squad in the background, because it almost

884
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,199
kind of looks like a Gary Payton like doppelganger too.

885
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:11,159
It's like, are these just two.

886
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 1: Dudes that look like Andrew Wiggans and Gary Payton in

887
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,679
front of the former host of this podcast, Adam Frommell

888
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,920
said they look like cardboard cutouts. They do look like

889
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,119
maybe that either way? Love it?

890
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,519
Speaker 2: Uh? What do you think?

891
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:24,119
Speaker 1: Too hot?

892
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,559
Speaker 2: Not hot enough?

893
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say why it's too hot? Okay, because he

894
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,559
already missed time in Hawaii because he was.

895
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: Out getting late. I don't know this story.

896
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,159
Speaker 1: No, he he missed time that he was sick apparently,

897
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,599
so I've made a little broke there. But I don't

898
00:40:40,639 --> 00:40:44,119
think it's if I had to pick, it might not

899
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:45,920
be hot enough if I had to pick. That's the

900
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:46,400
entire point.

901
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: I love that you think that.

902
00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: I don't think it's hot enough because expectations have a way,

903
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,719
like now that they've kind of normalized where no one's

904
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,679
expecting him to be the second best player on a

905
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,880
title contend or even a third best player. So the

906
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,079
bar is so low, and I think you could look

907
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,159
at it this way. Do you want the next two

908
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,880
years of DeAndre Ayton's contract for the next three years

909
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,639
of Andrew Wiggins's contract, that's a debate right now. Yeah,

910
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:11,079
if you're just gonna tell me that he comes in

911
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:15,519
kind of plays within himself on offense and like like

912
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:18,159
any even like his three points, like even when he's

913
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,360
been bad, like the threes have by and large gone

914
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,519
down in a decent clip anyway, So it's probably not

915
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,559
hot enough. But I guess if you're family it has

916
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:29,800
a good contract, that's probably the appropriately amount of hot

917
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,400
because I think there will still be that inherent distrust

918
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,159
no matter how well he plays. But like you're not

919
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,199
asking him to do something he hasn't done in Golden

920
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,440
State before, and it's just sort of you know, but

921
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:43,280
I guess the pushback would be like that was the

922
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,199
outlier season for him, Like just like because we're gonna

923
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,239
dismiss it for Jordan Poole, why are we giving Andrew

924
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,480
Wiggins the better of the doubt? Right? Yeah?

925
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:53,159
Speaker 2: No, I I mean we probably have gone too far

926
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,840
without mentioning like he's had off court stuff the last

927
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:57,360
couple of years.

928
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: Turns out his father was really sick. His father passed away.

929
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 2: Condolences like that's I could sympathize with anybody that had

930
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,639
a rough time and with missing time and like not

931
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,960
prioritizing being in shape and like all this other stuff,

932
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,360
real world shit was happening to Andrew Wiggins. It's hard

933
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,320
to square that with like his reputation in Minnesota of

934
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,480
like he floats in and out of games and he's

935
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:19,079
you know, not super committed, and that's certainly there have

936
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:20,960
been elements of that in Golden State, even at the

937
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,320
best times, I think. But it's like we can't just

938
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,719
discount the fact that he's coming out the other side

939
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,800
of like a horrible personal situation. So that's part of it.

940
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:32,039
And like I know we're focusing on, like is you

941
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:35,559
a value contract? It's like he's gonna be just under

942
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,239
nineteen percent of the cap this year, eighteen after that,

943
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,679
seventeen after that, Like for a guy who's like pretty

944
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,559
even in his worst, like pretty clearly a starter, I think,

945
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,119
and can help on both ends. Like I don't think

946
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,679
it's a huge stretch that he's gonna but I that

947
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,639
he's gonna become like a neutral value contract or one

948
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,480
that like teams are giving up stuff to get Hypothetically,

949
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,880
I don't know if the Warriors are gonna trade him.

950
00:42:57,159 --> 00:42:59,639
I just think his reputation is like it's it's about

951
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:01,719
as bad as it can be right now, right based

952
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,239
on the last year plus of how he's performed, and I.

953
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 1: Guess also factoring in the off course stuff for sure,

954
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,679
and then the drop off was just so big last

955
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,519
year to where like he didn't even take four threes

956
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,440
a game, And so I guess you could also question

957
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:18,039
two if they're gonna really try and develop Jonathan Kaminga,

958
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:20,639
if they're actually gonna give most of this moody a chance.

959
00:43:21,159 --> 00:43:22,840
And then I know, Kyle Aderson is gonna play a

960
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,840
bunch of small ball five, but you have the Anthony

961
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,519
Melton who can kind of play the wing as well,

962
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:29,360
what will his role look like on this team especially?

963
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,360
But I think Jonathan Kaminga is the big one. Is like,

964
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,039
that's the one where, well, can you play those two

965
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:38,840
dudes together a bunch? And maybe but like if if

966
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,519
you view that as a fragile dynamic that probably skews

967
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:44,400
towards well, then this is gonna be too hot because

968
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:47,840
how important is Andrew Wiggins in the like to the

969
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,079
let's say, the core lineups or core looks of this

970
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,480
Warriors team just out of the gate, is even gonna

971
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:54,960
have the chance to kind of rebuild his value.

972
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would close by saying, because the next team

973
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:03,000
is mine anyway. I just so completely understand how Andrew

974
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,760
Wiggins gets you as a fan and how I understand

975
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,679
where the frustration with him comes from, because like he

976
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,639
just goes out and shows you how incredible he can be,

977
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,360
and he's like, Nope, you're not going to see that

978
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,960
for eighteen months, just like oh, there was some more

979
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,159
of it and then it's gone again.

980
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,679
Speaker 1: I totally get it. I think I'm rooting for Sorry,

981
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:24,960
you should have came in and said, Andrew Wiggins is

982
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:27,599
going to average five defensive rebounds per game for the

983
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:29,000
first time in his career. That would have been a

984
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:29,400
hot take.

985
00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: He only does that in the finals. I have the

986
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,400
Houston Rockets, Dan. I think Reed Shepherd is going to

987
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,000
shoot under thirty eight percent from deep, which might sound like,

988
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,159
oh okay, that's abovely gaverage. He made over half his

989
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,480
threes in college, so miss me with the like that's

990
00:44:43,559 --> 00:44:46,360
not I mean, that would be surprisingly low I think

991
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000
for someone like him, and he's still gonna run away

992
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:49,840
with Rookie of the Year.

993
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:56,519
Speaker 1: I just okay, that is hot. The latter part makes

994
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,440
it hot. I I don't care about the.

995
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 2: Shooting, so let's just amend it. I think he's gonna

996
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,400
win Rookie of the Year. And the reason that would

997
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,320
be a hot take is because everybody's like, is he

998
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,880
gonna play? That's my response is like, he's gonna be undeniable.

999
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:11,800
I think it's just gonna get to a point where

1000
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,400
the Rockets say to themselves, we can't we just can't

1001
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,039
keep him off the floor. We're trying to win. I

1002
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:20,440
think he's gonna make a huge impact on both ends.

1003
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,239
I think every clip of film you see, granted it's

1004
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,599
summer league, and then it's like workouts in camp. I know,

1005
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:28,239
if you saw the one the other day where it's

1006
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,280
just like he's dominating both ends in a scrimmage, you

1007
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,920
can't show me a clip where it's just like, oh yeah, no,

1008
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:36,599
I can see why they'd bench him. It's like, no,

1009
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,599
you're gonna find twenty nine minutes for this guy, and

1010
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,639
then maybe you trade Fred van Vliet cause you and

1011
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,360
maybe you trade Jalen Green because you don't want to

1012
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,599
extend him. I just think he's gonna be so obviously

1013
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,559
impactful that Houston will find a way to help me

1014
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:53,280
skirt the playing time caveat here, which is admittedly like

1015
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,199
the that's what you would say is like he can't

1016
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:58,079
win Rookie of the Year. He's gonna barely play in

1017
00:45:58,119 --> 00:45:58,920
that guard rotation.

1018
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, it's hot for that reason because we

1019
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,239
don't know how quickly. And when we were talking to

1020
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,239
Salmon Ali during the Houston Rockets, look at it. He

1021
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,920
doesn't seem to think that he's gonna play a huge

1022
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,639
role on this team. And if he does, I would

1023
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:13,440
imagine they have traded at least one of Jalen Green

1024
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:16,039
or Alprin Shangun, just like in terms of making him

1025
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:19,679
a central focus of the offense. And it says they

1026
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,320
have Cam whitmore on this team, and then do you

1027
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,079
want to give Am and Thompson more on ball? I

1028
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:24,760
know Reachebbert doesn't have to play on the ball, but

1029
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,119
like that's kind of the if you're gonna have reach

1030
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:28,679
Eperd on the court, you schots'll probably let him pay,

1031
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,920
like the way he can get to his mid range

1032
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,480
spots when he's on the ball. So that's why it's

1033
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:34,599
too hot. And the other thing, too is let's just

1034
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:38,239
say he's he's undeniable when he's on the floor, like

1035
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,360
the minutes thing with the team. So Victor Wemenyama wins

1036
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,480
it last year at twenty nine point seven minutes per game,

1037
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,119
LaMelo Ball wanted it twenty eight point eight in twenty twenty,

1038
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:50,519
twenty twenty one. Malcolm Brogden won it in twenty sixteen

1039
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:53,920
twenty seventeen in a banner year for rookies at twenty

1040
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,400
six point four. Those are the only Rookie of the

1041
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,119
Year winners since the year two thousand and one one

1042
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:02,840
that have logged under thirty minutes per game, and even

1043
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,280
Mike Miller in two thousand and two thousand and one

1044
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,519
twenty nine point one. So we're looking at four Rookies

1045
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:12,440
of the Year averaged under thirty minutes per game. I

1046
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:17,000
think that's all time. I'm scrolling through it now, so

1047
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:23,880
like that is super hot. Like, so five Rookie of

1048
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,840
the Year winners have averaged under thirty minutes per game,

1049
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,960
that's a you need to, like he need and he

1050
00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,039
needs to. The lowest total for rookie year is twenty

1051
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:35,320
six point four with Malcolm Browden. I don't even think

1052
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,920
he's as short of that. But if your argument is

1053
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,440
he's undeniable. I tend to agree with you. I actually

1054
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,280
think that if you treated him and I'm not saying

1055
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,000
he deserves this, you have Shanggun, you have other Aman Thompson.

1056
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,400
But if they treated him as like, no, this is

1057
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,719
our tenth pole building block, that he would win Rooie

1058
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,199
of the Year and run away with it. I just

1059
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,199
don't know if they're gonna view him in those terms.

1060
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, the minutes are obviously that to me

1061
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,480
is why it's a hot take. In probably too hot,

1062
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,239
I can just I don't know. I think I'm obviously

1063
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,039
way too in the bag, but I'm not.

1064
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Well, here's the thing. I think the

1065
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:12,159
path to.

1066
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 2: Whatever the minutes need to be high twenties minimum, right.

1067
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,880
I think if you're the Rockets in a way that

1068
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:22,440
is pretty different from almost all of your other like

1069
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:26,159
the million rookie scale guys you have. Is like, it's

1070
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,079
not like it's not like you you put Shepherd out

1071
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,880
there and say like, oh, we're giving away something. It's

1072
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,360
more like, we need better shooting.

1073
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:36,599
Speaker 1: Let's play read Shepherd. We need more playmaking.

1074
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:39,199
Speaker 2: Let's play read Shepherd. We need more defensive disruption. Let's

1075
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:42,000
play read Shepherd. Like all all of the things you

1076
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,800
might need he can provide. I And now this is

1077
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,239
insane to say because he hasn't played an NBA minute yet,

1078
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,559
but everything we've seen and heard and read is just

1079
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:52,079
like this guy just contributes across the board in a

1080
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,880
way that defies like the prototype, prototypical, like small, white guard,

1081
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,920
and so like, I just I just think there's gonna

1082
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,199
be so many ways where it's obvious that he's helpful

1083
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:05,440
that it's like it's on the fringes of possibility that

1084
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,199
he's gonna get the minutes to do it. But yeah,

1085
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,440
I think it's not a hot take if you said, like,

1086
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:12,079
if he plays thirty plus minutes, he's like he's just

1087
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,000
gonna win Rookie of the Year because this class sucks

1088
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,000
and most of these guys are gonna be on terrible teams.

1089
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,480
That's another different aspect, is he's gonna be playing. I mean,

1090
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:21,840
it cuts both ways because his team has better players,

1091
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,760
but like he's gonna get noticed more. He's definitely like

1092
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,280
he's gonna do impactful stuff for a team that's winning.

1093
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,400
It's like Sara could have crazy numbers in Washington. I

1094
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,719
don't think he will, and everybody will be like, Okay, cool,

1095
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,320
they won fourteen games, Like, that's just not Rookie of

1096
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:34,920
the Year stuff.

1097
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: I guess that would be the strong well, not the

1098
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,400
strongest argument, but the pushback to the minutes would be

1099
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,840
he's just gonna be so much better than the field

1100
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:45,360
that if he's averaging twenty three minutes versus Zachary Resische

1101
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,079
getting thirty and like not doing much of the Atlanta Hawks,

1102
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,800
perhaps that will make up the difference. Yeah, Like you

1103
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,559
would have to be a Victor wembin Yama level of undeniable, right,

1104
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:57,000
And I still even think that if you're that and

1105
00:49:57,039 --> 00:49:59,360
you're averaging under twenty five minutes a game, people are

1106
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,599
just gonna be like, well, no, we have to go

1107
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:02,119
with availability.

1108
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: And playing time. Yeah. I think the quality of the

1109
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,480
class overall is like a decent you know, uh, decent

1110
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,840
support for him winning Rookie of the Year because it

1111
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,159
might be a broggeden situation even if he doesn't get

1112
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:14,400
to the minutes where it's like, who the hell else

1113
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:15,079
are we gonna pick?

1114
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: Like all these guys, all these.

1115
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 2: Guys are as advertised, this class was thought to be bad.

1116
00:50:19,039 --> 00:50:21,519
Speaker 1: It is bad, and so somebody's got to win it.

1117
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:23,880
I don't know, we're on to me. I have the

1118
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,960
Indiana Pacers, who are also just your team, your Indiana Pacers.

1119
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,440
My prediction or hot take, excuse me, at least one

1120
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:34,280
of Benicmathrin and or Jarris Walker will be traded. And

1121
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,960
if you're watching on YouTube, you know which which player

1122
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,440
I think is more likely to be traded.

1123
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:42,039
Speaker 2: I don't know if this is hot enough. I mean,

1124
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,360
I fully agree with this, and I also would say.

1125
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: There's YouTube commenters, this would be the hottest take of

1126
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:47,320
all time.

1127
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:51,559
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll consider this the like every every set of

1128
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,679
team's fans just overval It's like the truest thing ever.

1129
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,519
They overvalue their own young guys and undervalue everybody else's assets,

1130
00:50:58,599 --> 00:51:02,880
like the the Pacers should trade one or both of them,

1131
00:51:03,159 --> 00:51:06,480
right like, And they've been acting as if they like

1132
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:10,400
don't care about the futures of either of these guys, Like.

1133
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: I don't know that's that's a hard.

1134
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: But it's like they're not exactly put it this way,

1135
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:20,280
they're not exactly like setting up the roster to feature

1136
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,480
Benedict Matheren or Jarris Walker.

1137
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 1: Correct, I mean they kind of have with Jarvis Walker,

1138
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,320
just not in the ways that I think that Jarvis

1139
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,039
Walker is gonna be good to where it's okay. They

1140
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:32,920
need him to be strictly a wing defender now, and

1141
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,239
maybe he gets there. I don't know what he the

1142
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,239
stuff he does the best on offense. I guess if

1143
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,159
he's gonna hit threes that the Klippie did last year,

1144
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:41,760
but it was he barely played. It was low volume.

1145
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:43,679
But it's like the stuff out of the short role

1146
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,880
that he could like, that's you're not getting that if

1147
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,840
you have to play with Pascal Siakam and or Miles Turner.

1148
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,679
So I guess prohybly it's a hot take here though,

1149
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,519
is like Indiana has paid Tyre's Halburton, they've paid Obi Toppin,

1150
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,239
they've paid Pascal Siakam, they've Andrew Nemhar' deal is gonna

1151
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,920
kick in the year after this one, And you start like,

1152
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:04,000
this isn't a team that's gonna just readily pay the

1153
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:06,719
tax willy nilly, And what you've also kind of done

1154
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,880
is okay, like you do have some limited like salary,

1155
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,079
like you're not gonna I guess you could trade Obi

1156
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:14,760
top and once his restriction lifts. But the reason why

1157
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,280
I view it as hot is because this is a

1158
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,360
team that I think is you know, they don't want

1159
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,079
to give up on young guys that they might believe in.

1160
00:52:20,119 --> 00:52:21,400
I think when you look at the parts and the

1161
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:23,440
roster and say, well, they clearly need a wing, why

1162
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,760
wouldn't you trade Jaris Walker for one? I mean that

1163
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,920
was true the past two offseasons and they still kept

1164
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,000
him like after drafting him. So that's why it seems hot.

1165
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:35,480
And then it's also just what is the trade value

1166
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:37,119
of either of these guys? And then what is the

1167
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:41,360
trade value of the primary matching salary? Like Obi toppin Okay,

1168
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,199
he played well for the Pacers. Four years and sixty

1169
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,960
million is not a contract that's viewed favorably around the league.

1170
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,039
I'll tell you that right now. So are you giving

1171
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,159
up Bennick Mathern or Jaris Walker to get you Dorian

1172
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:57,480
Finney Smith? Like? That's why it feels like I'm gonna

1173
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:00,800
say I probably would give up Bennanick Mathern Dorrian Phinney Smith.

1174
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,679
I'm just not a Bennick Matherne guy. That is a

1175
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,000
hot take. That's why I didn't throw it here. I'm

1176
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,400
not there, but I still have more hope for Jaris

1177
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,960
Walker in the larger context of this team. But even

1178
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,599
if you think these guys are good, the Pacers have

1179
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,360
diminished their ability to stand out with the way that

1180
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,079
they've built out their roster. Like, just what is Benic

1181
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,000
Mathern's role unless you think that he's gonna come in

1182
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:22,800
and you remember that game against Milwaukee where he looked

1183
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,599
like the defensive player of the year before his injury,

1184
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,840
unless that's the new default, Like he's not a win defender.

1185
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,360
So I kind of think this might not be hot enough.

1186
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,800
But then when I start to go sit there and

1187
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,719
do like, well, who are you training them for? Like

1188
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,440
you could say Jeremy Grant would be great on this team.

1189
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:40,480
Do the Pacers want his money? Getting to that number

1190
00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:42,639
will be a chore, It might cast you both Mathrin

1191
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,079
and Jarris Walker. And then are you doing that for

1192
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:49,480
Jeremy Grant? Now, if I was a billionaire, I'm not

1193
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,079
gonna care. Yeah, I'd probably do that. Like I think

1194
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:52,159
Jeremy Grant might put the team.

1195
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,119
Speaker 2: That's not the guy, that's the guy I keep thinking of.

1196
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,719
I mean, he's a little bigger than you want, But

1197
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,679
if you think he can still guard wings, like that's

1198
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,199
your guy, and you do give up both for that.

1199
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,679
This is if you, as the Pacers, are not put

1200
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,480
off by like, oh my god, Boston's too good, Philly's

1201
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,880
too good, the Knicks are too good. We're a level

1202
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,440
below that even with Jeremy Grant. So maybe then you

1203
00:54:11,559 --> 00:54:14,440
don't do it. But like just in terms of like

1204
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,880
if you're trying to make the product as good as

1205
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,800
it can be this year, next year, the year after,

1206
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,320
I think I think you trade both of them.

1207
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: Here's a good example. I think this is predicated on

1208
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:25,480
teams probably like to have him defend down and so

1209
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:27,320
it's like, okay, well you have Andrew Nemhard and TJ

1210
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,719
McConnell's this makes sense, but if you get Dylan Brooks,

1211
00:54:30,599 --> 00:54:33,199
I'll give up either one of these guys for Dylan Brooks. Yeah,

1212
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,119
I think I would too. So you're saying, but so

1213
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,000
is it do you ultimately think? I don't know what

1214
00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:42,199
you went on. Is it is it still not hot enough?

1215
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,519
Or is it just knowing how the Pacers operate and

1216
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:48,320
maybe the realities of their trade val because look, you

1217
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,639
certainly with Jars Walker if they just trade him for

1218
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,760
like a guy who's either coming off the bench or

1219
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,159
not closing like guaranteed, I guess if he's even closing games.

1220
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:58,280
But if it's a role player and you're trading what

1221
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,480
was a top ten pick in his second year for that,

1222
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,320
that just takes a level of kind of admittance that

1223
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,039
you're not used to seeing teams.

1224
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 2: No, I guess I I My initial reaction is it's

1225
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,719
not hot enough. And I don't know if I'm I'm

1226
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,599
probably not reflecting consensus, but it's just in my opinion, like, yes,

1227
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,039
obviously you trade one or both if you're the Pacers

1228
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:22,199
for all the reasons.

1229
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,079
Speaker 1: We talked about, I can's the worst player. You would

1230
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,519
like you'd probably trade Ben mcmathm for Cody Martin, wouldn't you.

1231
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 2: That's a really good one. If you told me Cody

1232
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,360
Martin was gonna be healthy for the whole year, I

1233
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:36,960
think about it.

1234
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,559
Speaker 1: You have issues, I do. I feel like Cody Martin's

1235
00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:45,000
your guy too. You like both Cody Martin. Before Caleb Martin,

1236
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,079
there was there was literally that you were. You were

1237
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:50,760
in on Cody before people were in on Kleb. How

1238
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,000
about that? Right? So he just needs to stay healthy.

1239
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,480
I would I trade one of these guys for him,

1240
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:58,840
Like that's probably not because of the health factor predominantly, but.

1241
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 2: That would have been a sufficient hot take, is they

1242
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,199
will trade one of these guys for Cody Martin Specifically,

1243
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,079
that would have been hot.

1244
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: I would love to give Kevin Pritchard truth sierm and

1245
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,760
ask who the like the worst player he would trade

1246
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,280
one of these four is because publicly he'd probably say, like,

1247
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,559
I don't know, like Zion or someone like Herb Jones

1248
00:56:16,679 --> 00:56:20,920
or something, but would you It'd be really funny if

1249
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,480
the Pelicans were so just desperate for people that they

1250
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,519
think could play like the center position. If you could

1251
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:29,960
get Trey Murphy for Jaris Walker and picks Tray Murphy's

1252
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:30,760
injured right now in.

1253
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: This hypothetical, do they think Jaris Walker is gonna play

1254
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:33,519
center for them?

1255
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: Well, he's six eight and like the rest of their

1256
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:39,199
dudes are like six eight that are gonna be playing satur.

1257
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 2: Isn't Daniel Tys listened? He's probably listened sixty nine. Yeah,

1258
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,000
he probably is six eight, but is listed six nine.

1259
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,159
Speaker 1: I was having this conversation the other day. Doesn't Daniel

1260
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:49,119
Tice feel like he's thirty seven years old? He's not

1261
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,639
even thirty is that right? He's not thirty.

1262
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,119
Speaker 2: He does feel like he's been around.

1263
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: Maybe he had a birthday, but I for some reason,

1264
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:57,760
I don't even It's not like he's playing for a

1265
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,360
zillion teams, but he Oh he's thirty too, Okay, but

1266
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:02,559
doesn't you trust that?

1267
00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:06,039
Speaker 2: I just wish you wouldn't say ridiculous things. Sometimes that

1268
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:07,079
was just flat out wrong.

1269
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: But it doesn't even feel older than that. I feel

1270
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,880
like Dan Los Angeles Clippers are gonna trade Kawhi Leonard

1271
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:14,400
this season.

1272
00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?

1273
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:21,519
Speaker 1: One? That you're in The Lakers date might involve JJ Reddick.

1274
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:27,639
But it's hot because it's hot because they're in the

1275
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,039
Into Its Dome and I'm assuming they can't like, by

1276
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:33,079
the way, the whole they're opening up the Into It

1277
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:33,840
Dome and there's.

1278
00:57:33,639 --> 00:57:35,639
Speaker 2: A just gonna stop you and we're gonna have to

1279
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:37,920
do five minutes on the whole, like, well, they're start

1280
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,239
opening and because I've done it too, the whole like, oh,

1281
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,000
it's a new arena.

1282
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: They got to have a product in there, right, But

1283
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:45,119
the other thing is they have a product in there

1284
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:47,800
because they don't have their first round picks for the

1285
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,159
next five years. They don't have control over them. But

1286
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,920
I was actually the aside was, isn't it wild that

1287
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:57,320
the in the window might open without Kawhi or Paul

1288
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,760
George in the first game because Kawhi is injured and

1289
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:03,000
Paul George left and James Warden might just be the face.

1290
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:06,559
I never would have predicted that two years ago. Whatever. Anyway,

1291
00:58:07,039 --> 00:58:10,840
it's hot because even if you throw the picks like,

1292
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,119
you don't own your own picks, and I don't think

1293
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:16,000
OKAYC is going to trade for Kawhi Leonard when they

1294
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:18,960
have to look, you say, if they did, how fun

1295
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,000
is that? If they did, But they have the clippers

1296
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:22,519
over a ballot to the point where they're like, yeah,

1297
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,400
we'll give you back like one of your first round picks.

1298
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:26,360
Are you gonna do it?

1299
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: At that point, if it's twenty twenty, what do they have.

1300
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:31,599
Speaker 1: They don't have twenty twenty five, do they? Or do they?

1301
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:32,639
Speaker 2: I can't remember.

1302
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five might be going somewhere else, but they

1303
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,440
do have twenty twenty six. I believe we don't look

1304
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,000
that up. But my whole thing is because you don't

1305
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:41,960
control your own picks, and even let's just say you

1306
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:44,840
trade him to the Oklahoma City Thunder, which that is

1307
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,400
a way even if the cost was low, you have

1308
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:49,559
to you pay Shay, You're don't have to worry about

1309
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:51,559
paying j Dub and chet Holme grinning. You're not getting

1310
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:53,679
either of those dudes for Kawhi Leonard at this point,

1311
00:58:54,199 --> 00:58:58,119
so like, what are you getting back for him? That

1312
00:58:58,199 --> 00:58:59,840
would be like, Okay, this is fine. We don't own

1313
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,239
a picks, but we got enough stuff back that it's confident.

1314
00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:04,840
So and by the way, Okase could techicly I think,

1315
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,800
end up with their twenty five first, but there's like

1316
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,320
a bunch of different swap machinations there. They also own

1317
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,159
a twenty twenty six from Houston or the Clippers they'll

1318
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:16,519
be getting they have they have too many picks for

1319
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:18,719
me to go through. They have a twenty twenty seven

1320
00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:22,079
first coming from the Clippers, but they also may have

1321
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,239
to send out I think that one might be a swap. Yeah, so,

1322
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,199
but more of the story is the Clippers don't control

1323
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,480
their own first round pick I think until twenty and thirty.

1324
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,400
So you that's hot because even if you're willing to

1325
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,400
move on and recognize that, like you're kind of just

1326
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,880
floating around the middle of nowhere. Right now, you have

1327
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,199
to get enough stuff back the Knicks trade for McHale bridges.

1328
00:59:41,559 --> 00:59:43,559
If you're the Nets and you weren't trading mckal bridge,

1329
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:45,400
or you weren't getting your own picks back from Houston,

1330
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,639
the Knicks were at least putting enough on the table

1331
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,559
where you could think about it. Right, Which team is

1332
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:51,880
doing that with Kawhi Leonard?

1333
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's the answer is nobody, I think

1334
00:59:57,519 --> 00:59:59,599
there or nobody's putting the Bridge's package on the table,

1335
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:04,079
that's for sure. I think I agree that it's it's

1336
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,239
a hot take, and it's probably closer to like a

1337
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,480
bold prediction that has like that twenty percent figure attached

1338
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:11,599
to it, if it's even that high. But it's just

1339
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,000
get I get hung up on this all the time,

1340
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,760
thinking about say Atlanta of like, oh they should trade

1341
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:18,480
trade Young It's like, well, what's the point like they

1342
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:20,719
unless they trade with San Antonio and get those picks back.

1343
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,519
It's like, well, yeah, okay, the perfect scenario is to

1344
01:00:23,559 --> 01:00:26,000
get your own picks back so that your pick is valuable.

1345
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:28,559
But it's like first round picks are still first round picks.

1346
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,119
Those there are still assets if they're coming from some

1347
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:32,079
other team. As long as they're not these you know,

1348
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:34,519
the Washington and Detroit ones from the Knicks for example,

1349
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:36,480
or whatever that have all these protections, there are going

1350
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:40,639
to be seconds like, yeah, the best outcome is getting

1351
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:42,880
your own picks back and getting control of your draft

1352
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,960
and by extension, your like future, you know, incentivizes you

1353
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:50,920
to lose. The next best thing is just getting someone else's.

1354
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:53,039
It's it's not nothing. It's just because you can't get

1355
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:54,679
the best thing doesn't mean it's a bad call to

1356
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,440
trade a guy that you're on the hook for AE

1357
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,920
hundred and fifty million four who might play who won't

1358
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,360
play one hundred and fifty games over the next three years.

1359
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: Like, I just I.

1360
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: Think the real issue is like, and I think you're right.

1361
01:01:07,639 --> 01:01:09,719
I don't know that it's gonna make sense from a

1362
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,159
value standpoint to trade him because you know, when he's healthy,

1363
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:15,840
he's still great and maybe that matters. And I just

1364
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,280
don't know outside like Oklahoma City is someone I can

1365
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:21,119
really talk myself into if they're.

1366
01:01:21,039 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: Just like themself anyway, but that would be so out

1367
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,079
of character and also just so you're paying kawhi are

1368
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:29,159
do you envision scenario where they pay or all four

1369
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:30,599
of those guys their core guys.

1370
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,800
Speaker 2: Well, the argument you'd make is like they'll just deal

1371
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,039
with it until his contract expires, and it's kind of

1372
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:38,519
a Toronto situation where it's like, we're just.

1373
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:40,079
Speaker 1: Happy to have him here for as long as he's

1374
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:40,880
here and then he's gone.

1375
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 2: But you can't quite do that because they got all

1376
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,079
these other obligations.

1377
01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:45,679
Speaker 1: I have they interject there though. Now, So let's just

1378
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,960
say that either that scenario is open, or maybe some

1379
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:50,480
team is putting a godfather offer on the table, give

1380
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:53,280
me the list of destinations that Kawhi Leonard can be

1381
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,679
traded to at which he won't immediately retire everything. Yeah.

1382
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,159
Speaker 2: That when I was coming up with this, that was

1383
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:01,920
actually the first thing I thought of, was like, well,

1384
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,760
he specifically chose the Clippers because he wanted to be

1385
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,760
in a certain place, and if you're an acquiring team,

1386
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,920
you just cannot have any level of confidence that one

1387
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,079
he'll want to be there or two just like give

1388
01:02:14,159 --> 01:02:16,119
you you know, I don't know. I feel like he's

1389
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:19,599
always played hard whenever wherever he's been, but like you're

1390
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:23,159
you're signing up for some real difficulties potentially because like

1391
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,480
he just wanted to be in La and that's where

1392
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:27,360
he is, and does he want to be anywhere else? Like,

1393
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,559
so far it doesn't seem like it.

1394
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,639
Speaker 1: Would you do everything the Lakers could offer? If they

1395
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:35,880
put Austin Reeves their two picks, their's sweet swaps on

1396
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,199
the table and then their salary, I would bounce out.

1397
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:40,000
Would you do that? Wow? Yeah? I would. There's no

1398
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:44,280
demorant play when you play in Sacramento? How are they doing?

1399
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:45,719
You're not giving up Keegan Murray in that?

1400
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: I wouldn't anyway, Well, the Kings, the Kings fans aren't either.

1401
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:54,119
Uh do you use the martyros In salary in La?

1402
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: It's perfect if somebody gets to be in La. Yeah.

1403
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,559
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm the Lakers, I just do it.

1404
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,599
Let's let's take one crack at it, and we'll just,

1405
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,760
you know, sweep up the ashes when it's all over

1406
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:03,559
in a couple of years.

1407
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: Could you see Miami doing it? Putting it would have

1408
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,880
to be just all their picks and swaps, which isn't many.

1409
01:03:10,239 --> 01:03:11,800
How do you get to the number without it being

1410
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,440
Jimmy Butler? I guess it's like ter or Tyler hero

1411
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:17,920
two of those guys help you get there. Yeah, would

1412
01:03:18,079 --> 01:03:20,280
give up if they put Jim A. Hawkes on the

1413
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,840
table in that. I mean, you know what would be

1414
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,599
an interesting dark horse. I don't know if he would

1415
01:03:26,639 --> 01:03:30,440
go there. But Atlanta they don't control their next three picks.

1416
01:03:31,639 --> 01:03:33,360
Like are they just like doubling down on now with

1417
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:34,159
Trey and Kawhi.

1418
01:03:36,039 --> 01:03:40,079
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's weird because like we're I'm not

1419
01:03:40,199 --> 01:03:42,760
having this conversation or not putting this hot take out

1420
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,119
there if not for the knee stuff right now, because

1421
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:46,840
it's just like, oh, the Clippers can't go down this

1422
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:47,400
road again.

1423
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:50,519
Speaker 1: First of all, you should be if if he wasn't healthier,

1424
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:52,679
it would make more if he excuse me, if he

1425
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,360
was healthy, would make more sense to move him.

1426
01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 2: I just think they're so reluctant to trade him that

1427
01:03:57,519 --> 01:03:59,880
it it would take something like them just being like, Okay,

1428
01:04:00,159 --> 01:04:02,760
this is we're not doing like year six or seven

1429
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,880
or whatever it is of hoping he stays healthy. But

1430
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,679
another's it's like a but maybe it'll work for a

1431
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,840
situation for the other teams that are like we just

1432
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,920
need the one year if you're the Lakers or the Heat.

1433
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:16,159
Two good examples that say you know, throw caution to

1434
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:17,760
the win. Let's try to win a title this year.

1435
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,880
Kawhi plus Lebron and ad or Kawhi plus Jimmy and bam.

1436
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,920
Like you're in the conversation at that point, right, like,

1437
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,880
at least hypothetically until he gets hurt. But I don't know,

1438
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,400
somebody else could talk themselves into it.

1439
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,079
Speaker 1: We should move on. I might come back home in

1440
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:34,559
and see if they already expensive, we might as well

1441
01:04:34,679 --> 01:04:35,320
just do it again.

1442
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: All right, you are correct. My hot take for the

1443
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,079
Lakers does include JJ Reddick. This will probably be a

1444
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:42,440
shorter discussion because it's pretty niche. I think he's gonna

1445
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,960
lead all coaches in technical fouls.

1446
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:49,079
Speaker 1: Hot or not. I would say that's not hot enough

1447
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:51,039
because I feel like the disdain that he would show

1448
01:04:51,159 --> 01:04:55,239
during broadcasts lead me to believe that perhaps the Lakers

1449
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,880
have given him some sort of mandate, or he's been

1450
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,280
talked like maybe the Coaches Association talked with him or

1451
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,440
something that hey, you have to rein it in. I

1452
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:02,480
don't think that's hot enough.

1453
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:05,159
Speaker 2: I can kind of see it, yeah, I mean like

1454
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:08,000
I feel like anytime you're predicting someone will lead the

1455
01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:10,199
league in something, it's like a little hot, because just

1456
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,679
statistically they probably won't unless it's like Luca and usage rate.

1457
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:17,840
But just the obvious arguments are, like it's a highly

1458
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:22,079
pressurized situation. He's hyper competitive. He has like had no

1459
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:25,159
issue mouthing like anybody that's ready to go back at

1460
01:05:25,199 --> 01:05:28,679
stephen A. Smith like right away, like right the second

1461
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:31,599
they're on TV. Is like clearly not concerned with like

1462
01:05:31,679 --> 01:05:35,280
decorum or what the norms are. I just think, you know,

1463
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,679
he's You're right, it's not hot enough. But I thought

1464
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,800
leading the league in something would would get me there.

1465
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:43,519
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what would be. But you

1466
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:47,519
think he'll like lead the league in the average amount

1467
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:49,320
of time it takes him to use his challenge where

1468
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,039
it's like the first three minutes of every game, he's

1469
01:05:51,079 --> 01:05:53,719
just so frustrated he's throwing his challenge at Illinois. I

1470
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:54,039
don't know.

1471
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:58,519
Speaker 2: It's interesting, like he is making an effort to always

1472
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:02,199
cite like some of the analytics is so loaded. But

1473
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,320
like when asked what the starting lineup was gonna be,

1474
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,639
is like, it'll be the one that went twenty three

1475
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:08,320
and ten, like and you know, because the numbers say

1476
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,519
that's who He's not saying because the numbers say that's

1477
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:12,719
who it should be. But he does seem pretty like

1478
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,920
more to a greater extent than most coaches to just

1479
01:06:16,039 --> 01:06:18,599
like point to the stats and say like this dictates

1480
01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:21,840
the correct decision. So the challenge, I don't know, like

1481
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,639
I I'll bet you they've had conversations or he has

1482
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:29,599
about like the what is the actual optimal strategy like

1483
01:06:29,719 --> 01:06:32,679
mathematically for your challenges? Like what types of plays should

1484
01:06:32,679 --> 01:06:34,559
I use it on? What's the success rate on these

1485
01:06:34,599 --> 01:06:36,800
plays when in the game? Does it make the most

1486
01:06:37,199 --> 01:06:40,000
sense statistically to do it? I'll bet you that he's

1487
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:41,079
had those conversations.

1488
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,559
Speaker 1: Do you A bolder one would be like the Lakers

1489
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:47,800
rank in the top like five of like cuts like

1490
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,840
possessions finished off cuts or something like that.

1491
01:06:50,239 --> 01:06:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like Anthony Davis does finally shoot six threes

1492
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:53,840
a game or something.

1493
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 1: But what about Bronnie making all rookie that.

1494
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 2: That would be a hyper bold prediction. All right, you

1495
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:02,719
want to move to Memphis. I got another one here, man.

1496
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: All my Memphis takes are getting just ruined by the injuries.

1497
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:07,119
I'm sticking with it.

1498
01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 2: Even though he strained his hamstringing is gonna miss three weeks.

1499
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:11,519
I think Jared Jackson Junior is gonna finish ahead of

1500
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:14,920
Ja Moran and MVP voting not prepared to put like, oh,

1501
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:19,239
he's gonna be seventh and John's gonna be fifteenth or whatever? Uh?

1502
01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:22,119
Speaker 1: Is this is this hot? Is this not hot?

1503
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 2: Is this like?

1504
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: Who cares?

1505
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: Because the Grizzlies are clearly gonna just miss a million

1506
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:26,519
injury games?

1507
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: Again, I think I think it's hot because jarme j

1508
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,480
Justson Junior is not like the billboard for durability either.

1509
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:33,360
So you if you want to push back to say,

1510
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:34,960
we'll just jog going to play in enough games and

1511
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:37,960
Jared Jackson Junior gets there by default. The idea of

1512
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:40,360
Jaron Jasher jun are just getting MVP votes at all

1513
01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:44,440
is like a pretty big deal because I in that conversation,

1514
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,159
I'm not even calling anyone out. We're probably guilty of it. Two,

1515
01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:51,400
you're just gonna gravitate towards people whose identity at least

1516
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:54,880
encompaences like sixty percent of it is offen. It's just

1517
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,639
like God is a great example because it's he's most

1518
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,360
valuable probably on the defensive, but his numbers are just

1519
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,599
so ridiculous on offense. And Jared Jackson Junior, even though

1520
01:08:04,599 --> 01:08:06,800
he's a better self creator. I don't know that his

1521
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,360
numbers are ever gonna be They're never gonna be honest

1522
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,239
his but are they ever gonna be high enough to

1523
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,719
where the thing that he does best can then amplify

1524
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,720
those up into the MVP discussion. So I think it's

1525
01:08:17,079 --> 01:08:18,920
I think it's hot, but I don't think it's too hot.

1526
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:23,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the logic obviously, this is again before

1527
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:25,960
the hamstring news, which just again was like, oh right,

1528
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:31,199
he has a hard time saying healthy. Like the way

1529
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:33,600
he would do it is he's defensive player of the

1530
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,840
Year again or like real close to it, or you know,

1531
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,760
is in the conversation all season Memphis has a top

1532
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,359
five defense and the numbers show that like, oh, he's

1533
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:43,720
the reason, which is like, yeah, that maybe it should

1534
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:46,520
be the expectation if he's healthy, and then all the

1535
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,119
games he made offensively last year, are you know, I

1536
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,960
don't think it's realistic assuming the rest of that roster

1537
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:55,039
is healthy, which by the way, it's not. Vince Williams

1538
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:59,880
and Gig Jackson are already hurt. Like if he's maybe

1539
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:04,680
less volume but still holds the gains in isolation, scoring

1540
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:06,239
and all this other stuff. And the other thing is

1541
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:09,720
we've seen him be a really valuable volume three point shooter.

1542
01:09:10,079 --> 01:09:12,079
It's kind of like if the pieces all come together,

1543
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,239
which has always been the case with Jared Jackson, It's

1544
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,720
just like if all of these highs that he's shown

1545
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,920
us in various categories like coalesce in one season, like

1546
01:09:21,159 --> 01:09:23,399
that guy's an MVP can like he's he's a top

1547
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,159
ten MVP guy, Like that season is in him if

1548
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:29,199
all the best little components of his game happen at

1549
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:29,760
the same time.

1550
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 1: You kind of basically just described if Evan Mobley shot

1551
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,479
five three pointers a game a little bit, right.

1552
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's the guy we should have pointed to.

1553
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:38,880
Is he Could he be a Jared Jackson type?

1554
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? Similar, I don't. Yeah, I think that's that's a

1555
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:43,800
good hot take. I mean, the injury is just a bummer,

1556
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,840
But I mean John Murran's probably gonna been three weeks

1557
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:46,479
at some point two.

1558
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,199
Speaker 2: He's only gotta be that one guy on the team.

1559
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't need to laugh at injuries. That is something

1560
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:52,439
I will never I might, you know, be snarky about

1561
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,760
a player's durability, but I don't want anyone ever to

1562
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,359
get injured. I like watching these players and the Grizzlies.

1563
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,359
This is anecdotal. I'm sure there's they ate at a

1564
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:02,159
back last year. There's data to back this up. But

1565
01:10:02,199 --> 01:10:04,600
they just feel more snake bit than like any other

1566
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,920
team in recent memory to where it's okay. The Clippers

1567
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,439
is an example, it's this one, dude. It's Kawhi all

1568
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:12,760
the time and Paul George was sprinkled in. But with

1569
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,920
the Grizzlies, it's no, it's just equal opportunity. You're fucked, like.

1570
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it didn't even wait, didn't even wait

1571
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,640
till the season started. I'm gonna have to revise, like

1572
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,279
all of my Memphis is gonna just kick everyone's ass.

1573
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:27,159
This year takes just because apparently they're the unluckiest team

1574
01:10:27,319 --> 01:10:27,920
on the planet.

1575
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:30,239
Speaker 1: I am up, which means that we go to your

1576
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:34,880
Miami Heat. My hot take rant Khalil Wair will finish

1577
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,720
the season as a starter next to bam Adebayo.

1578
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 2: I don't, but you're asking the wrong guy because I

1579
01:10:43,039 --> 01:10:45,479
kind of want him to. I've dabbled with thinking he

1580
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,399
should start as a starter to begin the season, start

1581
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,399
as he should just be in the first unit. That's

1582
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,159
probably that would be the hot take. I I I

1583
01:10:54,199 --> 01:10:56,319
think it's hot because it's a rookie, and the heat,

1584
01:10:56,359 --> 01:10:59,000
at least at this point, seem like they're you know,

1585
01:10:59,399 --> 01:11:00,720
they didn't Jimmy Butler.

1586
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: They're not going to extend him.

1587
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like but you know, this is a

1588
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,199
team that has two really good players that's gonna try

1589
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:09,119
to win. They're hoping Tyler heroes healthy, like Terry Rozier

1590
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:11,640
gives them a full season. So for a rookie to

1591
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,359
crack that first unit is that's like a big deal.

1592
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,119
I just like him so much that it's hot. But

1593
01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:20,279
it's not like, oh my god, Dan, you're out of

1594
01:11:20,319 --> 01:11:23,279
your mind right, Like that's well player type that makes

1595
01:11:23,319 --> 01:11:25,439
sense if he is what he kind of looked like

1596
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:26,159
in Summer League.

1597
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:28,159
Speaker 1: Do you know why it's hot, Well, because I think

1598
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:31,920
he's gonna start because Bam gets traded. Do you okay, Well, no,

1599
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:37,000
I don't think that we need to discuss that hot take. No.

1600
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:39,800
I think honestly that the heat. Do you remember a

1601
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,680
couple of years ago they were talking about before he

1602
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:46,359
got injured over your seven playing with bam Adebayo and

1603
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,119
then like we saw them kind of try that Kevin

1604
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:50,840
Love stuff. I think that they kind of even though

1605
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:52,880
they haven't necessarily played that way. They've had a bunch

1606
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:57,000
of like undersized furs or maybe more traditional furs at points.

1607
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,319
I really think they want to try playing big with

1608
01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:02,880
bam Adebayo and last year maybe that maybe that impetus

1609
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,239
has kind of declined because Bam was so He's always

1610
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,319
been so good defensively. Let me make it clear, but

1611
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,760
he was playing and drop more. Cooper Morehead wrote a

1612
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,439
great piece on it, I think in March on heat

1613
01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:15,399
dot com, but like he was like using every defensive

1614
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,960
coverage possible and like at the max possible volume while

1615
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,640
spreading it out. So maybe because you know that Bam

1616
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,000
can kind of handle the not that you didn't think

1617
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:25,760
he couldn't handle it, but because he excels as the

1618
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,199
traditional room protector and a different in addition to doing

1619
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:31,319
all the other stuff on the perimeter, well, that you're

1620
01:12:31,359 --> 01:12:33,359
not as inclined to try it. But I really think

1621
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:37,159
that they've wanted to and just haven't found someone hasn't

1622
01:12:37,159 --> 01:12:39,439
been healthy enough, or when they've tried it hasn't worked out.

1623
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,239
And so at least people believe like, well, why wouldn't

1624
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:43,079
they try it with khalil Ware? And I can kind

1625
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:45,399
of see it working out because both of these are

1626
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,359
guys that can really work on the perimeter, and so

1627
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:51,800
it makes them a little bit more interchangeable offensively. You

1628
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,439
really do need Bam to kind of channel his team

1629
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,479
USA Sprang from the corner self, but that's not impossible.

1630
01:12:58,359 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 2: Or you need I was gonna say it's a bet

1631
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:01,960
on one or the other. You don't need both, just

1632
01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:05,319
having a serviceable three point shot at decent volume. Bam

1633
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:08,039
is probably the more likely, but we like what didn't

1634
01:13:08,079 --> 01:13:10,600
wear shoot over forty percent is last season in college

1635
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,319
and it was low volume. But it's like, I don't know,

1636
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,279
maybe he's the one that can get up, you know,

1637
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,720
two or three threes a game and make you know,

1638
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,560
in the mid thirties. Like that's probably enough to justify it,

1639
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,640
given the gains you would have in just athleticism size defense.

1640
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: I do agree.

1641
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,239
Speaker 2: I think the Heat want this, like want something like

1642
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:33,600
this to work. But for a team that like it's

1643
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,600
if it's struggled on one end or the other. Last

1644
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,399
few years it's been on offense, and like it could

1645
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,399
be a short leash if it's pretty clear that neither

1646
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:43,920
of them BAM or or where can can space. But

1647
01:13:44,119 --> 01:13:48,119
like I mean, I think it so it's it's hot,

1648
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:50,520
but it's like you can kind of see that, like

1649
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,840
this could be something they explore for sure.

1650
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:56,680
Speaker 1: We are up to my Milwaukee Bucks. Anyone who's watching

1651
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:58,680
on YouTube's or a spoiler twice because I'm not doing

1652
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,640
well with the low graphic that we made. But up there.

1653
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:07,000
So my hot take grant is two of Chris Middleton,

1654
01:14:07,079 --> 01:14:09,680
Brook Lopez and Bobby Portis Junior get traded at least

1655
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,279
two this season. Now you know why it's particularly spicy.

1656
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,760
They can't get traded in the same deal, just as

1657
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,359
the Bucks can't aggregate salaries.

1658
01:14:19,359 --> 01:14:21,600
Speaker 2: Well, go on, like you can talk about all the

1659
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,840
other restrictions to you gotta match salary. You can't take

1660
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:24,760
back more than you come.

1661
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,159
Speaker 1: Like I guess technically if they were making a deal,

1662
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:28,680
I don't know like what that deal looks like, but

1663
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,720
you could send two of these guys out together as

1664
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:34,680
long as you finish underneath second after the fact.

1665
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,119
Speaker 2: Which if you're doing that, then you're thinking about fielding

1666
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:38,840
Giannis trade offers because he's pissed.

1667
01:14:39,159 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 1: If it's a cost savings. My logic here before you

1668
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,279
go into it, is I think that both all three

1669
01:14:44,319 --> 01:14:45,880
of these guys could be free agents. I don't know

1670
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,720
what's gonna happen with Chris Midleton, he has the player option.

1671
01:14:48,319 --> 01:14:50,600
They are starting, even the front office has kind of

1672
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,800
started thinking in bigger picture terms when you look at

1673
01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:55,920
just look at the amount of roster spots. I don't

1674
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,840
view any of them as blue chip prospects. Look at

1675
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,479
the amount of roster spots that are just taking up

1676
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,399
on kind of these younger, unproven guys. I don't know

1677
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,039
if it's gonna be in the name of draft equity

1678
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:05,760
because maybe you think you can get away with not

1679
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,079
having Bobby Portis, or if it's just, hey, we kind

1680
01:15:09,079 --> 01:15:12,119
of need to reorient the roster. And honestly, when I'm

1681
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:14,680
looking at it, I kind of hate saying this, but

1682
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,079
I think of the three, is Brook Lopez the most

1683
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:19,399
valuable to this team? Now, I normally would have always

1684
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,199
defaulted to Chris Middleton, because that dude is a is

1685
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:24,760
a bucket in the postseason, which is a big deal.

1686
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:29,039
Speaker 2: Well Man, so you've piled another hot take on for

1687
01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:34,600
me to evaluate. I think Lopez, Well, Lopez just gives

1688
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,439
him stuff that nobody else can. You could have said

1689
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,840
that about Middleton, but the couple ankle surgeries, the injuries

1690
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:43,039
piling up the last couple of years, it's like, are

1691
01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:45,439
you counting on Chris Middleton the way you can count?

1692
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,399
Like Lopez had the back issue and then he's been

1693
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,359
incredibly durable the last two years, even though he's older.

1694
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,800
So like I do, I think it's fair to say

1695
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,399
that he might be the most valuable. I can't decide

1696
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,359
ultimately if this take is too hot just because of

1697
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,439
how funktionally difficult it would be to trade these guys

1698
01:16:03,039 --> 01:16:06,199
or not hot enough, because you could go farther and say, like.

1699
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: They're gonna trade be honest, because if you trade both

1700
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:13,119
of these guys, Yannis is like, I'm out, I'm sorry,

1701
01:16:13,199 --> 01:16:16,479
there's not You're not trading Yanni's mid season That was

1702
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,359
just like, what is the that's an off season thing

1703
01:16:19,399 --> 01:16:22,039
of it happens. My whole point was, I don't think

1704
01:16:22,079 --> 01:16:24,079
I'm predicting this because I don't think that they're gonna

1705
01:16:24,119 --> 01:16:26,319
punt on the y honest window, and I think that

1706
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,720
you can move these guys and not like you can

1707
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,920
hope to renovate. I don't know if you would be it.

1708
01:16:31,319 --> 01:16:33,840
You can't necessarily say it would be a guaranteed upgrade,

1709
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,840
but maybe it's a renovation that changes just the complexion

1710
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:39,640
of the way that you're playing. I kind of bandied

1711
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,119
about though it feels doesn't it feel less hot to

1712
01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:45,600
say they trade Damian Lillard than this?

1713
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:51,159
Speaker 2: Uh? Yes, I would agree, just because like what I

1714
01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:54,079
was thinking was like, okay, if you're if you're restructuring,

1715
01:16:54,359 --> 01:16:57,319
as you put it, like who are you getting back?

1716
01:16:57,640 --> 01:16:59,760
Like if you trade Middleton or Lopez just in a

1717
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,359
vat vacuum. It's the type of trade of team mix

1718
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:04,119
that like, oh, we need to get younger and more

1719
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:06,439
versatile and flexible and cheaper. It's like, I don't know

1720
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,399
who you're trading those guys for that bring back more

1721
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:13,279
present value, you know, bringing Moody and a pick first

1722
01:17:13,359 --> 01:17:16,199
round pick, well, Wiggans is going to be a positive

1723
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:16,880
value contract.

1724
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know what you're talking about.

1725
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:23,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. More likely to try, I think, probably

1726
01:17:23,119 --> 01:17:25,880
more likely to trade Dame because you could just imagine, like, well, one,

1727
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,159
he's not part of this core, so I guess it's

1728
01:17:28,199 --> 01:17:30,119
easier to move him for that reason, but two like

1729
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:33,159
you could trade it in Miami for stuff, whereas like,

1730
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:35,199
you know, I don't know that you can do that

1731
01:17:35,279 --> 01:17:36,239
with these other two guys.

1732
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if you could get Hawkes, and then

1733
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,199
it would have to be I guess Terry wrote I.

1734
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,920
I mean, honestly, I don't mean to say this because

1735
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:47,880
Damian Lord is gonna be better this year. People are like, oh,

1736
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,760
he's getting all he was missing wide open threes last year.

1737
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,600
That's not like that's not a thing that's gonna happen.

1738
01:17:53,159 --> 01:17:56,000
But if you're the Bucks, I wouldn't make this argument.

1739
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,760
So I want to make this clear. Could you talk

1740
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,760
yourself how much worse are you? You remove Damian Lillard,

1741
01:18:01,279 --> 01:18:05,800
but you add Terry Rozier or Tyler hero Duncan Robinson

1742
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:06,720
and Himey Hawkes.

1743
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 2: I mean, you're definitely more interesting and deeper then.

1744
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: Man. If you well, by the way, there have to

1745
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,760
be another team involved here, because.

1746
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:23,239
Speaker 2: Right if if if you think Lillard is going to

1747
01:18:23,319 --> 01:18:26,279
be closer to the guy we'd seen, you know in

1748
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:30,079
the ten years leading up to last season, maybe not

1749
01:18:30,439 --> 01:18:33,039
like maybe you're not better. And I know you're saying

1750
01:18:33,119 --> 01:18:36,199
like you're not sure either. Actually you don't think so either.

1751
01:18:36,279 --> 01:18:38,920
But like, if what you get is last year or

1752
01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:43,000
you get last year minus whatever percentage of falloff, you

1753
01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:45,760
would normally assign to someone Dame's age small guard alert

1754
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,640
by the way, like bad don't age. Well, then it's like, yes, please,

1755
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,399
let's get three other guys in here that can give

1756
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,720
us some shooting, you know, diversify a little bit easier

1757
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:58,039
to move if you want to really strip things down

1758
01:18:58,079 --> 01:19:00,920
to Yeah, I don't know, being a.

1759
01:19:01,039 --> 01:19:05,199
Speaker 1: Super soaker filled with two years old ranch dressing to

1760
01:19:05,319 --> 01:19:08,000
your head or to your to your mouth, that's weird.

1761
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,640
Would you rather I didn't want to use for you know,

1762
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:17,640
sure you know I'm a gun toting right so I

1763
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,199
honestly would you rather have I don't know what the

1764
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:25,239
other machinations are, Tyler Hero and him hawks on the

1765
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:29,319
bucks or Damian Lillard. I would rather have Dame.

1766
01:19:30,199 --> 01:19:33,600
Speaker 2: I think I'm with you until I get more information

1767
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,119
on like is he falling off or not? Right? Like,

1768
01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:38,119
but it's just like if it's today right now, it's like, no,

1769
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:39,319
I'll take Dame, And do you.

1770
01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 1: Think and this is I'm not I don't mean to

1771
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,239
insult Dame. If anything, it's a comp For me, it's

1772
01:19:43,239 --> 01:19:44,960
a comment to Chris Middleton to where if you told

1773
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,640
me that Chris Middleton, which is gonna be healthy in

1774
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,560
the playoffs, It's like you have Tyler Like I could

1775
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,840
kind of talk myself into it now because you know

1776
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:54,800
there have to be other players to Like, you're probably

1777
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,039
looking at a scenario where I don't know what the

1778
01:19:57,119 --> 01:19:59,239
machinations end up being, but like the I don't even

1779
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:01,680
think the money might work between because what is Tyler

1780
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,039
Hero at now? Is he making thirty million dollars? It's

1781
01:20:04,119 --> 01:20:08,000
right around there. It was like four for four for one. Like,

1782
01:20:08,079 --> 01:20:10,560
Tyler Hero is good enough of generating his own looks

1783
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,359
that you could say, well, if we're getting on my hawks,

1784
01:20:12,359 --> 01:20:14,880
we're also revoting with picks and Middleton's going to be healthy.

1785
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,039
I think I want to see more of the Damiannis praying,

1786
01:20:18,079 --> 01:20:19,760
which why I didn't go that robic. So I don't

1787
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:21,760
think even if they do make that decision, I still

1788
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,520
think that's more of an off season thing than a

1789
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:24,319
trade deadline thing.

1790
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,159
Speaker 2: What if you could just have Drew Holliday, do you

1791
01:20:26,199 --> 01:20:27,239
think they could ever get him?

1792
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 1: I think it might be time to move on to

1793
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,039
Minnesota Timberwolves if you're getting all right, uh.

1794
01:20:31,239 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 2: Dan, I think that nas Reed is gonna be the

1795
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,399
Wolf's second leading scorer. And I am fully aware that

1796
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,039
they just traded for Julius Randall.

1797
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:40,520
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts that's too hot? I just don't

1798
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,000
so your is your bridition that Julius Randall's gonna get

1799
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:47,439
retraded's or just not play a bunch like that's I think.

1800
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 2: I think that the more I've thought about this trade,

1801
01:20:51,239 --> 01:20:54,399
the more the clearest best way for it to work

1802
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:57,119
is for Julius Randall to not start. And I don't

1803
01:20:57,119 --> 01:21:00,720
think Julius Randall is likely to uh warm to that

1804
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:05,399
idea and factoring, And also that the more I've thought

1805
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,199
about this trade, the more it does feel like we

1806
01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:08,880
initially talked about it, I was like, what percentage of

1807
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,359
this is financial? I'm like increasingly convinced that the financial

1808
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,399
component is a big deal, and Randall was just like, yeah,

1809
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,800
we'll take that back, despite him saying he feels wanted here, Like,

1810
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:22,039
I don't think that's a well founded belief. So I

1811
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:24,760
think Red is going to be able to not do

1812
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,119
a cat impression but give you eighty percent of it.

1813
01:21:27,239 --> 01:21:29,239
That's kind of my take initially when we talked about

1814
01:21:29,279 --> 01:21:32,319
the trade. I think that's totally on it, like totally

1815
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,840
plausible that he just can do a lot of what

1816
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,279
Cat did offensively from the shooting perspective, from like he's

1817
01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:41,640
a second option type thing. And I think the Randall

1818
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,359
trade is in play, and I don't see any other

1819
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:47,159
candidates beyond Randal, So I think, like that's kind of

1820
01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:47,960
where I'm coming from.

1821
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: By the way, I think that's how we get our

1822
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:53,239
answer with how financially motivated it was, where if Julius

1823
01:21:53,319 --> 01:21:55,439
Randall opts out, do they just let him leave or

1824
01:21:55,479 --> 01:21:57,199
does he get traded again and broken up in a

1825
01:21:57,239 --> 01:22:02,279
smaller contracts because he's not necessarily any way, who is

1826
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:06,560
paying Julius Randall thirty million dollars a year in free agency.

1827
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,560
Speaker 2: The same people that are gonna give Brandon ingram A

1828
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:09,520
two hundred million dollars.

1829
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,159
Speaker 1: Not these guys aren't good. They're just such specific fits

1830
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,439
that are tough to build around in larger contexts or

1831
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,399
fit into already established contexts. I think that's way too hot,

1832
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,640
just because I do think you start Julius Randall and

1833
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,840
you see in theory how it goes, Like the idea

1834
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,680
of just like taking the ball out of Anthy Edwards's

1835
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:31,720
hands to get Julius Randall going downhill and he can

1836
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,760
kick out. Not the worst idea in the world, unless

1837
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,199
you think that Anthony Edwards can't hit catching shoot threes

1838
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:38,880
in the space the floor in that context, which I

1839
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,399
think we both believe that he can. And also what

1840
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,359
you could do is you start him. They're staggering patterns

1841
01:22:44,399 --> 01:22:46,720
where the Wolves all of a sudden probably have one

1842
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,800
of the more dangerous second units in the league, where

1843
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,880
if you're kind of building it around Julius Randall not

1844
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:54,079
coming off the bench but eating these bench units that

1845
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:59,199
might include nas Dante DiVincenzo and then Nikhil Alexander Walker

1846
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:01,840
as like that's your four setup, and then maybe it's

1847
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:04,800
do you give Rob Dillinghand a shot in those or

1848
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,119
you just like, is there another starter in there? Jade McDaniels,

1849
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:10,560
So I think that's way too hot, because I do

1850
01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,479
think even if you're making this trade for financial reasons,

1851
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,399
kind of like the crux of it is we need

1852
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,000
someone else to put the ball in their hands, and

1853
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:22,920
Julius Randall's very clearly that guy more than nas Reed

1854
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,119
is who Yeah, he can generate his own offense, but

1855
01:23:25,119 --> 01:23:26,960
he's not going to set up a ton for everybody else.

1856
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 2: Would you agree that maybe you've kind of brushed up again,

1857
01:23:31,159 --> 01:23:35,760
brushed up against this if there were no if contracts

1858
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,319
weren't a thing, and like reputations weren't a thing, and

1859
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,920
like ego and player expectations weren't a thing. That the

1860
01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:45,079
best version of the Timberwolves has Julius Randall playing on

1861
01:23:45,159 --> 01:23:49,479
the second unit with Devincenzo and Dillingham as like I'm

1862
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,520
going to lighten the load on Dillingham. We have Devincenzo

1863
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,319
as like the spacer and the fireman, and nos Reed

1864
01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:59,000
is a starter just so you preserve some not a

1865
01:23:59,079 --> 01:24:01,439
some semblance, but you get better spacing out of the

1866
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:03,640
first unit with Gobert, Like, do you think that's the

1867
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:07,680
correct basketball decision if you remove all the other variables,

1868
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,840
which obviously we cannot because those are huge factors.

1869
01:24:11,279 --> 01:24:13,640
Speaker 1: I would probably mean towards you, yes, But I'm closer

1870
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,840
to now that we've had like a week to marinate

1871
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,920
on this trade, not being sure because are you going

1872
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,880
to get enough aggregate playmaking out of that starting five?

1873
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:26,479
Then beyond Anthony Edwards because my Commi's getting older, and

1874
01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:28,439
it's okay, yeah, the playmaking is there, but when it's

1875
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,520
not also coming with the same level of like kind

1876
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,039
of shot making off the dribble, what does that do?

1877
01:24:33,279 --> 01:24:37,119
And that's where that's what just makes this trait so fascinating, right, Well.

1878
01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:40,159
Speaker 2: Because you're giving up if it's Randall, you're giving up spacing.

1879
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:42,760
If it's Read, you're giving up playmaking. And it's like, well,

1880
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:47,640
this offense was seventeenth last year, so you can't really

1881
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,760
give up a lot and expect to get better. But

1882
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,600
there's a sacrifice either way. But there's a sacrifice.

1883
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: But you have to answer your question, who's more likely

1884
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,399
to check both of the boxes of playmaking and spacing

1885
01:24:57,439 --> 01:25:00,520
the floor, Julius Randall or nas Reed, And he answered

1886
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:04,199
Julius Randall. And also I think, and I don't know

1887
01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:06,359
if this is the correct terminology for it, but he

1888
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,119
has more on ball gravity to where he shot thirty

1889
01:25:10,119 --> 01:25:12,640
one percent on threes last year, Like they're going to

1890
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:14,680
react to what he's doing with the ball in his hands,

1891
01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:17,800
and probably even in definitely in ways that they wouldn't

1892
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:19,560
a cat, but also in ways that they're not going

1893
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:22,039
to nas I don't mean to like denigrade cat in

1894
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:25,840
that way. But so I still think I'm at least

1895
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:27,439
trying it with Julius Randall and the starting a lot

1896
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,000
of him, by the way, that's the pathway to also

1897
01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:33,479
justifying the true Like even if it was for financial reasons,

1898
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,640
that's the way that you're able to hide behind. No,

1899
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:36,680
it wasn't he's starting.

1900
01:25:37,119 --> 01:25:40,079
Speaker 2: That's that's bad motivation. I mean, maybe it wasn't, but like,

1901
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:43,479
if that that's my concern, that's like you're in a bad.

1902
01:25:43,359 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: Place, isn't this isn't there a chance I don't want

1903
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:47,840
to belabor this trade, but isn't there a chance that

1904
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:50,039
this ends up being kind of the KCP trade for

1905
01:25:50,079 --> 01:25:52,359
the Denver Nuggets, not that Minnesota wins the title, though

1906
01:25:52,399 --> 01:25:55,840
maybe they do do. But okay, you did cut costs,

1907
01:25:56,279 --> 01:25:57,880
but like, it wasn't I don't even want to call

1908
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:00,279
it a side benefit, but it was dual beneficial because

1909
01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:03,000
Casey p ended up being not just important, but he

1910
01:26:03,159 --> 01:26:07,520
upgraded your championship stock. There is a scenario where Julius Randall,

1911
01:26:08,039 --> 01:26:10,119
maybe you shooting thirty eight percent on catching shoot threes

1912
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:11,560
this year or something like, there is a scenario where

1913
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,039
this works out and ends up making you a better team.

1914
01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:17,239
I think I said in our semi immediate reaction, I

1915
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:20,239
think the Wolves are worse overall from a playoff perspective.

1916
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,279
That's from having watched Julius Randall in the playoffs. Yeah,

1917
01:26:23,319 --> 01:26:26,000
so that is still that's all. That's honestly more than

1918
01:26:26,079 --> 01:26:29,000
Julius Randall's regular season fit. I'm like, can he have

1919
01:26:29,159 --> 01:26:32,279
a good playoffs? And that's like, that's where, so I

1920
01:26:32,399 --> 01:26:35,399
understand what you're saying. I think everything under the sun

1921
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:38,239
is in play right, which is so intriguing.

1922
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 2: This trade is I can't remember when that was so

1923
01:26:41,159 --> 01:26:43,239
that I've kind of like, yeah, I could see it

1924
01:26:43,279 --> 01:26:45,560
from this side, and now I love it from this side,

1925
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:46,640
and now I have real questions.

1926
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: It's just like everything. I can't remember a trade.

1927
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 2: That I was more excited to see play out on

1928
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,239
both sides, like in actual games, than this one, because

1929
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:57,359
it's just like, who knows.

1930
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 1: Two contenders doing business with each other, one trying to

1931
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:03,600
address weaknesses, the other doubling down on strengths. Yeah, it's

1932
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:04,920
just so fascinating.

1933
01:27:05,079 --> 01:27:07,359
Speaker 2: I got another one Dan for the New Orleans Pelicans.

1934
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,359
I think Zion is going to average over one block.

1935
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:15,479
And one steal this season. Nine guys did that last year,

1936
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,319
which we're talking about like defensive statistics, and Zion Williamson

1937
01:27:20,399 --> 01:27:22,399
not something he's known for. And I'm saying he's gonna

1938
01:27:22,399 --> 01:27:24,800
be one of you know, fewer than a dozen guys

1939
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,319
that pulls this off. I'll explain the rationale, but how

1940
01:27:28,359 --> 01:27:29,880
does that strike you just offer it?

1941
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: So one block and one steal, yeah.

1942
01:27:32,720 --> 01:27:35,119
Speaker 2: Something nine guys did last year, all of whom are

1943
01:27:35,279 --> 01:27:36,520
noted very good defenders.

1944
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:43,079
Speaker 1: I think that's appropriately hot. Just because Zion's never averaged

1945
01:27:43,319 --> 01:27:45,399
zero point seven blocks was a career high for him

1946
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:49,560
last year, So you're also kind of bay. I mean,

1947
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,720
so if he's healthy, he does play over thirty minutes

1948
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:53,840
a game, so you have that going for you. You

1949
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,640
know what really gets me is the blocks, because it's

1950
01:27:57,079 --> 01:27:59,319
how much time I keep getting this Repelicans fans by

1951
01:27:59,319 --> 01:28:01,880
the way, and it's gravading the shit out of me.

1952
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:05,600
Zion's not going to be the center. Well, Zion's gonna

1953
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,760
be like the day facto big and yeah, you might

1954
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,479
have Herb Jones doing a lot of the stuff and

1955
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,760
other people like around the basket, they're going to be

1956
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,039
look at the makeup of this roster. There are going

1957
01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:17,359
to be moments where Daniel Pie is not on the

1958
01:28:17,399 --> 01:28:19,439
floor and Zion's your primary big. I'm not saying he's

1959
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:20,920
a center. I went out of my way to say

1960
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,920
Zion is the lone big. Are you gonna tell me

1961
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,199
Herb Jones or brandon Ingram or Trey Murphy's you're big?

1962
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:28,800
I just sorry that dem and Kings fans with the

1963
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,760
siding Tomato Rosen's defensive raiding are just getting out of control.

1964
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:34,520
That we can talk about that when we get to

1965
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:38,039
the Kings, but so not pinning everyone with a broad brush.

1966
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:40,399
It's never everyone when I'm saying fans in general. But

1967
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,279
I think this is appropriately hot because I'm having like

1968
01:28:44,079 --> 01:28:46,840
last year was his best defensive season of his career

1969
01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:50,760
and he averaged point seven blocks. But the fact that

1970
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,960
like there were other bigs, like bigs on the court

1971
01:28:54,039 --> 01:28:57,000
with him to where I just think by default he's

1972
01:28:57,079 --> 01:28:59,479
gonna have to do more of the center stuff this year,

1973
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:02,319
like the traditional big man stuff. So I think it's

1974
01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:03,239
appropriately hot.

1975
01:29:04,279 --> 01:29:06,079
Speaker 2: I think the other component of it is that's a

1976
01:29:06,119 --> 01:29:08,199
lot of it is just like if not him, who

1977
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,079
like he's just going to be in the position to

1978
01:29:10,279 --> 01:29:12,439
have to do a little more of this stuff. I

1979
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:15,800
am drinking a little bit of the hopefully sugar free

1980
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:19,039
kool aid on him, like, yeah, he might really be

1981
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:21,159
in shape, and like he might really like this might

1982
01:29:21,239 --> 01:29:25,399
really year and he's still right. It's like, but I

1983
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,840
think the combination I've just I don't know. I'm a sucker.

1984
01:29:29,039 --> 01:29:32,600
I am buying almost all of the like oh. Like,

1985
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,520
for example, when Luca, I think Tim McMahon or somebody

1986
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:38,640
described Luca at media Day as slim, and I was like, oh,

1987
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,479
it's over, Like I just I just buy it. I

1988
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,279
just I'm so easy to fool with the best shape

1989
01:29:44,319 --> 01:29:45,039
of his life stuff.

1990
01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's like I should be better than this.

1991
01:29:47,119 --> 01:29:49,640
I'm sorry this. I almost think you're not giving yourself

1992
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,880
or Zion enough credit here. I was doing my MVP

1993
01:29:53,039 --> 01:29:55,079
ladder the other day, and if you just told me

1994
01:29:55,159 --> 01:29:57,359
that Zion was going to play in seventy games, I

1995
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,399
might just put him in the top five based off

1996
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,800
what we saw that next year, because he I don't like.

1997
01:30:02,279 --> 01:30:05,199
I understand that availability is a skill in itself, but

1998
01:30:05,319 --> 01:30:08,439
look at the defensive improvement he made last year, specifically

1999
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:10,199
away from the ball, and I would like to provide

2000
01:30:10,199 --> 01:30:13,079
a rebuke to the people that because in my mind,

2001
01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:15,239
I'm just like, he's really not contesting shots around the

2002
01:30:15,279 --> 01:30:18,039
basket and you're not going to like trust him to

2003
01:30:18,119 --> 01:30:20,159
block jumpers. So how does he get to that block

2004
01:30:20,199 --> 01:30:21,640
per game? Do you know how he gets to a

2005
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,479
block per game? Grant? Here are the leaders in shots

2006
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,439
contested at the rim per game for the New Orleans

2007
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:32,119
Pelicans last year, Yonas, Valentiunas, Larry nanst Jr. Dyson Daniels,

2008
01:30:32,399 --> 01:30:36,960
Herb Jones, Zion Williamson. Of the top five, the three

2009
01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:40,479
the three players in the top three are all gone, right,

2010
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,960
that's how Van Williams is. So who are you who

2011
01:30:43,039 --> 01:30:45,439
else is contesting shots in the basket aside from Herban Zion?

2012
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:49,239
Right now you want to say Ingram, Trey Murphy, Tye, Okay, fine,

2013
01:30:49,319 --> 01:30:52,760
but like no on Ingram and Murphy, sorry no, like

2014
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:54,319
they might do some, but like to just say no,

2015
01:30:54,399 --> 01:30:55,960
like yeah, they're gonna do more of the rim protecting

2016
01:30:56,039 --> 01:30:59,079
than Zion. It's just how much is Daniel Tys gonna play?

2017
01:30:59,159 --> 01:31:00,479
Are you even gonna see it? And many of the

2018
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:02,800
other bigs maybe they make a trade and that's how

2019
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,279
it doesn't get there, But I just think the way

2020
01:31:04,319 --> 01:31:07,439
that they're built right now, he might get there by default.

2021
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,359
It's got yeah, right, default, that's the right way.

2022
01:31:09,399 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 2: If it's like it's it just no one else can

2023
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:13,439
do it, and like he may or may not be

2024
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,560
able to, but he's gonna be asked to write long stretches.

2025
01:31:16,600 --> 01:31:18,119
Speaker 1: I still think it's a hot take because I think

2026
01:31:18,119 --> 01:31:20,199
that they will try to insulate him against doing that

2027
01:31:20,279 --> 01:31:23,479
as much as possible. Yeah, I'm up, and we have

2028
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,000
the New York Knicks. I struggled on what to settle

2029
01:31:27,039 --> 01:31:29,239
on for them. I'm ultimately going to say I think

2030
01:31:29,279 --> 01:31:31,760
they will still have a top ten defense. My other

2031
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,720
one grant was that Karl Anthony Towns will rank in

2032
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:37,359
the top ten of three point attempts per game. He's

2033
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:40,720
never ranked higher than seventeenth. He's only ranked in the

2034
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,279
top fifty of three point attemps per game twice, which

2035
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:46,359
just feels like I blame him for that. I think

2036
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,199
more get him up, man, what are you doing? But

2037
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:52,800
so here's my thinking. They have oj Ananobi, they have

2038
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,640
Josh Hart, they have McHale Bridges, they have Duce McBride.

2039
01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:58,000
Even pressure to chew of coming off the bench. Mitchell

2040
01:31:58,039 --> 01:32:00,680
Robinson I assume will at least play at some point

2041
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,079
this season, and so if you have him going up

2042
01:32:02,119 --> 01:32:05,079
against second units or even playing with Towns for stretches

2043
01:32:05,159 --> 01:32:07,720
like the defense there should be fine. This to me

2044
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:11,880
is more about Karl Anthony Towns himself. I think, after

2045
01:32:12,119 --> 01:32:14,680
being very critical of his defense for years and even

2046
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,199
for part of last season, I thought he was very

2047
01:32:17,239 --> 01:32:20,119
good overall defensively, And I think what it might come

2048
01:32:20,199 --> 01:32:23,039
down to more with the Knicks is how much is

2049
01:32:23,159 --> 01:32:25,920
Tibbs willing to deviate from kind of his base principles.

2050
01:32:26,159 --> 01:32:28,279
And I think we've seen enough flexibility from Tis over

2051
01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:31,119
the last two seasons or season and a half whatever

2052
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,079
that I think we'll see more of Karl Anthony Town's

2053
01:32:34,079 --> 01:32:35,840
just going to be defending at the level, and maybe

2054
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:37,520
the Knicks are going to do more switching. Maybe we'll

2055
01:32:37,560 --> 01:32:39,520
see a lot of scram switching, like trying to scramble

2056
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,159
out of mismatches even before they happen. I thought Karl

2057
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:45,600
Anthony Town's did good like was good there last year too,

2058
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,199
and I think part of that is, well, do you

2059
01:32:47,279 --> 01:32:49,359
have the personnel to make that work? And I think

2060
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,800
the Knicks do like when you look at the perimeter guys,

2061
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:53,359
like if you were having to rely on making these

2062
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:57,840
reads to be aggressive or switching. Now, the Jalen Brunton

2063
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,439
of it all makes it difficult, but I'm just going

2064
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,840
to I trust that, like, Okay, well some of the

2065
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:05,439
non starting lineups, even if the starting lineup is basically

2066
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,079
offense first, but even look at the starting lineup and

2067
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:10,920
there's three above average defenders in there, two of whom

2068
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,800
are just super elite. That I think it probably comes

2069
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,119
down to do you think this team is going to

2070
01:33:16,159 --> 01:33:18,920
be healthy enough? And that's you know, og always kind

2071
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:21,399
of missing time, knowing how much time Anton Robinson is

2072
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,079
going to miss. So that's where I think the risk

2073
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:26,239
is caked in here. But this is to me, it's

2074
01:33:26,279 --> 01:33:28,600
more about my belief that No, if you're putting Karl

2075
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,039
anthy Towns in a deep drop, do I think that

2076
01:33:31,159 --> 01:33:33,039
he is going to be the anchor of a really

2077
01:33:33,159 --> 01:33:35,279
like or do you want to funnel guys to him?

2078
01:33:36,039 --> 01:33:36,079
Speaker 2: No?

2079
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,279
Speaker 1: But I think that the Knicks have the ability to

2080
01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:41,319
play differently, and part of that ability is I believe

2081
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:43,720
Tom Thibodau is more flexible than before, and I believe

2082
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,960
that Karl anthy Towns is better defensively than he was

2083
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:49,680
even a year ago. Let's say, so, I'm gonna say

2084
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,520
the Knicks will still have a top ten defense overall,

2085
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,479
And again I will reiterate part of that can be

2086
01:33:56,119 --> 01:33:58,079
some of the non base lineups just might really anchor

2087
01:33:58,159 --> 01:34:01,000
these high Like think about the Knicks where a lot

2088
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,359
of times, like some of their best net ratings were

2089
01:34:03,399 --> 01:34:05,720
just being propped up by the bench destroying everyone. The

2090
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,239
starting lineup sucked, but the bench units were so good

2091
01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:09,720
they had these elite rankings overall.

2092
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:13,960
Speaker 2: I think I think it's hot. It's a hot take

2093
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:18,600
as measured against like what the knee jerk public reaction

2094
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:22,920
of the idea of Towns being your defensive anchor would

2095
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,119
like create, right, like, because I just think, and it's

2096
01:34:25,159 --> 01:34:27,520
not like Randall was a great defensive player, and and

2097
01:34:28,079 --> 01:34:30,159
like you lose Hartenstein so that's a big deal. And

2098
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:34,319
Mitchell Robinson, who knows December at the earliest whatever. So

2099
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,680
I think that the normal thought on it would be

2100
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,800
like they're just gonna be worse, but it'll be worth

2101
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:42,319
it because of the offensive games. Right, But but I see,

2102
01:34:42,399 --> 01:34:44,479
I can see it. I do think, like you look

2103
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:47,319
at how the Wolves performed with Kat as the center

2104
01:34:47,399 --> 01:34:49,000
last year, and it was like, I guess i'd say

2105
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,039
it was surprisingly good, but it was just good on defense.

2106
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:56,560
Small samples, but like, how different really supporting cast wise

2107
01:34:57,279 --> 01:34:59,479
in terms of defensive quality is what the Knicks have

2108
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,840
compared to what the Wolves have had with Kat last year.

2109
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,000
It's like you got your McDaniels and you got your

2110
01:35:05,159 --> 01:35:07,479
Edwards and you got you know, go Bear. It's like, well,

2111
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,520
you got anob and you got mckill bridges, Like that's

2112
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,319
that's not nothing, and you've got some wiggle room between

2113
01:35:12,399 --> 01:35:14,159
sixth and tenth of your just trying to decide, like

2114
01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:16,479
how much better or worse are they so a little

2115
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,399
hot as compared to like public perception?

2116
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm with it.

2117
01:35:20,039 --> 01:35:21,039
Speaker 2: I think I agree with you.

2118
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:25,079
Speaker 1: Wow, you agree. So it's not even that it's appropriately hot.

2119
01:35:25,119 --> 01:35:27,000
You're willing to you're with you.

2120
01:35:27,159 --> 01:35:28,960
Speaker 2: I would I would get out on hot take Island

2121
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:29,680
on this one with you.

2122
01:35:31,119 --> 01:35:32,640
Speaker 1: I mean. And by the way, if their top ten

2123
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:35,000
in defense, it's kind of just does that mean the

2124
01:35:35,039 --> 01:35:36,279
trade worked out for them then?

2125
01:35:37,079 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 2: Right? Because because you would just assume they're going to

2126
01:35:39,960 --> 01:35:42,520
be top ten on offense, Like pretty comfortably right, because I.

2127
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:43,600
Speaker 1: Mean, if they're not.

2128
01:35:45,159 --> 01:35:48,319
Speaker 2: Wrong, yeah yeah, yeah, well that's a title contender profile,

2129
01:35:48,399 --> 01:35:50,279
which they are, so that that checks out.

2130
01:35:51,079 --> 01:35:53,319
Speaker 1: I'm the pages me with that. But let's get to

2131
01:35:53,319 --> 01:35:57,600
the Minnesota Timberwolves. I mean, Wes, you want to go back?

2132
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:02,000
Are alright? I got the thunder, We're going back to.

2133
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 2: The All Star Well here, Jaylen Williams and chet Holmgren

2134
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:07,039
are both All Stars this year.

2135
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: Now, Williams, I think is probably every way before you

2136
01:36:12,039 --> 01:36:15,119
get to justify it. So you've now predicted Jamal Murray,

2137
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,880
Jalen Williams, and chet Holmgren are all going to make

2138
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:20,119
all Who are these how many of these players are

2139
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:22,359
just throwning other players in the West Man?

2140
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:26,399
Speaker 2: You know, I just think Devin Booker's washed and nobody's

2141
01:36:26,399 --> 01:36:29,520
gonna vote for Lebron or Kevin Durant just you know, it's.

2142
01:36:29,439 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 1: A new time. That's just not even a consideration.

2143
01:36:32,119 --> 01:36:34,800
Speaker 2: No, he's done, he's thirty six, he's aging.

2144
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 1: You said it. I don't believe it, but you said it.

2145
01:36:38,039 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 2: So I think of the two, Williams is the more likely,

2146
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:43,000
just because, like he was, there was some buzz for

2147
01:36:43,079 --> 01:36:45,279
him last year. So it wouldn't be a shock if

2148
01:36:45,319 --> 01:36:47,960
he just took like another step forward. Honestly, a lot

2149
01:36:48,039 --> 01:36:50,600
of this is I think this is not the hot take.

2150
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,439
I think the Thunder are going to be so good

2151
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,359
as a regular season team that we will be in

2152
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:57,119
a position where it's like two's not enough, Like Sja

2153
01:36:57,279 --> 01:36:59,680
is going to be an All Star, like just unless

2154
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:02,279
he's hurt and then you got to give him another one.

2155
01:37:02,399 --> 01:37:04,319
So really it's just how does Chet get in there?

2156
01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:07,159
And it's he's gonna be like a top five defensive

2157
01:37:07,159 --> 01:37:09,520
player in the league. He's gonna shoot forty percent from three,

2158
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,000
he's gonna take a step as large as the one

2159
01:37:12,119 --> 01:37:15,000
Jadab took in his second year. I'm just like, I'm

2160
01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:17,199
beyond in the bag for this team, which again is

2161
01:37:17,279 --> 01:37:19,359
not a hot take place to be because everybody is.

2162
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,079
Speaker 1: But wait until we get to the end of this exercise.

2163
01:37:23,279 --> 01:37:27,399
Speaker 2: Okay, if the Thunder are who I think they're gonna

2164
01:37:27,399 --> 01:37:29,520
be and who a lot of people think they're gonna be,

2165
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,119
this is a this is just a team with three

2166
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:34,760
All Stars, and so yeah, your point is right of

2167
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,439
like who's who's who's falling out of the All Star

2168
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:38,960
you know.

2169
01:37:39,319 --> 01:37:42,520
Speaker 1: Family for these two but so this one I think

2170
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:45,479
is appropriately hot because I think that it might they

2171
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,479
might just be undeniable, as you said. But the other

2172
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,800
aspect of it is is you're now taught like Shay,

2173
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,079
we already know, we'll just make it because he's one

2174
01:37:52,119 --> 01:37:53,760
of the five best players in the NBA or seven

2175
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:56,159
or whatever you want to say. Yeah, these two guys

2176
01:37:56,199 --> 01:37:58,520
can get in as front court members. And I think

2177
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,760
that gives you some more flexibility because you're looking at

2178
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,640
it and it's like, well, Regal Bear is not guaranteed

2179
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:05,640
to be in there, or Julius randall the Timberwolves around

2180
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,479
my brain right now clearly, and it's Lebron is older.

2181
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:10,760
What if he's just not playing in enough games. I

2182
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,119
have to imagine Lebron w get in, and you would

2183
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:15,000
have to imagine Anthony Davis gets in, but it's not

2184
01:38:15,039 --> 01:38:17,199
outside the realm of possibility. You have to imagine Wemby

2185
01:38:17,319 --> 01:38:20,560
gets in. But it does feel like there's more, and yes,

2186
01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,000
some bonus and Shanggon, there's Zion, there's a ton of

2187
01:38:23,039 --> 01:38:26,000
front court talent. It just feels like when you're you're

2188
01:38:26,039 --> 01:38:28,279
trying to name two new entrants, if you had to

2189
01:38:28,399 --> 01:38:30,199
ask me whether that needs to come in the front

2190
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:32,119
court or the back court. I mean there's just more

2191
01:38:32,199 --> 01:38:34,119
There's three front line spots in the starting lineup, so

2192
01:38:34,199 --> 01:38:37,359
there's more flexibility there, and then you have the wild

2193
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:39,560
card of it all of course. So I think it's

2194
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,880
appropriately hot, mostly because I'm in the bag for these

2195
01:38:41,880 --> 01:38:44,079
two as well. It's just funny when kind of combined

2196
01:38:44,079 --> 01:38:46,560
with their Jamal Murray take is Grant is a particularly

2197
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:49,039
the downfall of a lot of these just not older heads,

2198
01:38:49,079 --> 01:38:50,439
but the current regime. Apparently.

2199
01:38:50,640 --> 01:38:53,399
Speaker 2: My other prediction is that the All Star rosters will

2200
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:56,439
expand to fifty players each and like then.

2201
01:38:56,359 --> 01:39:00,199
Speaker 1: We got no problem. I think that's appropriately hot. Thank you.

2202
01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:04,520
We move on to my Orlando Magic. Actually I can't

2203
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,600
take ownership with them because I'm mad about their off season.

2204
01:39:06,600 --> 01:39:08,560
How about this picture up on screen? What do you think? Great?

2205
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,039
Speaker 2: Where do you get a blue rim? Right?

2206
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:13,199
Speaker 1: First of all, you should be allowed to have different

2207
01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:15,159
colored rims. Would be a lot of fun. Why not

2208
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,760
come on it? Probably something with like just perception of it.

2209
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:22,720
I would assume home court advantage. I mean, like, yeah,

2210
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:24,920
we have these baseball stadiums where it's just like all

2211
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,720
these different lengths of the field, does it.

2212
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:31,279
Speaker 2: If you can make your your in season tournament floors

2213
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,000
like look like an acid trip, I can't.

2214
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,279
Speaker 1: They should test it out during the in season tournament games.

2215
01:39:37,399 --> 01:39:38,760
Multi colored rims.

2216
01:39:39,159 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 2: Get Adam silver on the phone. We need multi like

2217
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,760
tied eyed rims in Portland for Bill Walton, Like, we

2218
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:46,119
could do all kinds of great stuff.

2219
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: And by the way, that would that I feel like

2220
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:50,000
that would help that rim stands out more than just

2221
01:39:50,079 --> 01:39:51,279
kind of like the orange brown.

2222
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 2: Why's the net gotta be white?

2223
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:55,760
Speaker 1: What are we doing with the nets? More? Could chane net?

2224
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:57,800
Although no, no, that could actually hurt somebody because these

2225
01:39:57,840 --> 01:40:00,199
guys are Yeah, I'm thinking of myself, who like can't

2226
01:40:00,199 --> 01:40:04,960
even touch the So anyway, my initial prediction was hot

2227
01:40:05,039 --> 01:40:07,359
take was that they the magic We're gonna trade for

2228
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:11,439
LaMelo Ball or Anthony Simons. But I'm actually gonna go

2229
01:40:11,560 --> 01:40:14,640
with I think Jalen Suggs is gonna win most improved

2230
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:18,840
player going to do because he will improve the most.

2231
01:40:19,359 --> 01:40:23,399
Oh right, sorry, So they've already talked maybe this is

2232
01:40:23,479 --> 01:40:26,359
me look sipping kool aid in training camp. They've talked

2233
01:40:26,359 --> 01:40:30,159
about him handling more of the traditional floor general responsibility,

2234
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,760
and there's a level of that's not revelatory. There's a

2235
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,720
level of well, duh, you decided not to add anybody

2236
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:37,720
who could do any better for you, And I think

2237
01:40:37,720 --> 01:40:39,560
a lot of people like well Anthony Black could do more.

2238
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,960
And it's why are they playing Anthony Black a ton

2239
01:40:42,039 --> 01:40:44,600
more minutes when they just got KCP. I know they've

2240
01:40:44,640 --> 01:40:48,239
lost folks, but you have KCP. I look at Jalen Suggs,

2241
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,880
and he improved a lot last year. I think is

2242
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,800
just a shot maker from beyond the art. Decision making

2243
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:56,960
on the ball the question for him, and I think

2244
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,560
the playmaking is there. He passed better out of drives

2245
01:41:00,079 --> 01:41:01,920
kind of the full floor vision is good. If this

2246
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:04,560
team could get out in transition a proper amount, your

2247
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:06,920
z's playmaking tick up, and maybe they will this year.

2248
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:10,119
You have to go back to the half court, slow

2249
01:41:10,199 --> 01:41:12,119
things down. Do you want him running a pick and roll?

2250
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:15,560
He averaged grant in the playoffs last year point three

2251
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:19,079
three points per pick and roll possession. Is that good? Yeah?

2252
01:41:19,079 --> 01:41:21,079
It's high. I mean it's higher than point three to two, right,

2253
01:41:21,359 --> 01:41:25,319
So I think he can get there because the spacing

2254
01:41:25,359 --> 01:41:28,239
should be a little bit better enough. But I just

2255
01:41:28,359 --> 01:41:31,000
look at him and he has gotten better, and it's no,

2256
01:41:31,159 --> 01:41:32,800
I don't know if he's well, I shouldn't say I

2257
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:35,000
don't know. He's not gonna be making like the Luca

2258
01:41:35,079 --> 01:41:38,079
Dodges Lebron level type of reads or throwing these one

2259
01:41:38,119 --> 01:41:40,760
handed skip passes. But in terms of just like if

2260
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:43,680
the Magic are healthy and they set a ball screen

2261
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:46,039
for him and he's not going downhill with a full

2262
01:41:46,079 --> 01:41:49,000
blast of speed, I think he's gotten better at kind

2263
01:41:49,039 --> 01:41:51,319
of the I call it the directionality or the jiggle

2264
01:41:51,399 --> 01:41:53,640
joggle of being on ball where it's you're not just

2265
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:57,359
making these super direct or predictable b lines, and I

2266
01:41:57,399 --> 01:42:00,000
think there's more variability there from him as a score

2267
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:02,600
and decision maker. It's Kenny get there as you like,

2268
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:06,000
kind of anticipating these passes. I think he can. And

2269
01:42:06,079 --> 01:42:08,479
then just it's not just about the passing. I just

2270
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,800
feel like this is someone and I it's not. I

2271
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,000
guess it's not being talked about at all. But are

2272
01:42:14,039 --> 01:42:16,399
we sure that Franz Vogner is more important to the

2273
01:42:16,479 --> 01:42:21,560
Magic future than Jalen Suggs. Honestly, no, okay, good, But

2274
01:42:22,159 --> 01:42:26,760
so this last year he averages fifteen points over fifteen

2275
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:28,960
points per thirty six minutes, over a block per thirty

2276
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:32,199
six minutes, over two steals per thirty six minutes, and

2277
01:42:32,359 --> 01:42:35,399
five assists per thirty six minutes. Like the list of

2278
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:40,119
players who have just done the same, Dwayne Wade, Michael Jordan,

2279
01:42:40,319 --> 01:42:44,560
Scottie Pippen, Like that's Clyde Drexler, Ron Harper and that's it.

2280
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,880
And so I'm in the band like as a guy

2281
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,199
who can kind of fill it up from anywhere, and

2282
01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:51,800
we know is just going to have like this And sorry,

2283
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,800
he was sub five assists per thirty six minutes, but

2284
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:56,159
my point is, I think he gets to five assists

2285
01:42:56,359 --> 01:42:59,039
per thirty six minutes, and so or I would even

2286
01:42:59,079 --> 01:43:01,199
say it's what he's end up at with per game.

2287
01:43:01,359 --> 01:43:04,159
Last year he was at like what was it three? Oh,

2288
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:06,119
he was under three to two point seven. It just

2289
01:43:06,119 --> 01:43:09,520
wouldn't shock me if the assist total doubles. And so

2290
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,640
we're looking at someone who's averaging twenty points five assists

2291
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,560
and then has the counting stats of the steals in

2292
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:17,079
the blocks, and we know he has the reputation of

2293
01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:20,439
an all defense level defender. So I think he's gonna

2294
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:22,119
win Most Improved Player, and I think it will be

2295
01:43:22,199 --> 01:43:24,000
driven by the fact that we will see him improve

2296
01:43:25,239 --> 01:43:28,680
multiple levels on the offensive end playmaker score that whole nine.

2297
01:43:29,399 --> 01:43:33,279
Speaker 2: I think it's a hot take, But the way you

2298
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,000
end up being right is maybe partly like the whole

2299
01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:39,479
year late on it thing, where it's like he actually

2300
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,439
had a real most improved case last year and like

2301
01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,279
everybody catches on this time around, and just the idea

2302
01:43:46,399 --> 01:43:48,560
that something now I think we got to talk about,

2303
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:50,880
like the sheer rarity of the shooting leap that he

2304
01:43:51,039 --> 01:43:54,920
made was like how like insane it was for him

2305
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:58,720
to become like a massive liability like under thirty percent

2306
01:43:58,920 --> 01:44:02,319
right to like he just the leaping. I love how

2307
01:44:02,359 --> 01:44:03,840
I just throw out like I think it was this,

2308
01:44:03,960 --> 01:44:06,039
and then you have to go look at it from so.

2309
01:44:06,199 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 1: Year one twenty one point four percent, year two thirty

2310
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,840
two point seven percent, and then year three thirty nine

2311
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:12,680
point seven percent.

2312
01:44:13,159 --> 01:44:18,039
Speaker 2: So that's I mean insane. But so that cuts both ways,

2313
01:44:18,119 --> 01:44:21,039
Like one, well, he's gonna regress because that kind of

2314
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:24,399
leap is just ridiculous and that makes most improved hard

2315
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:26,760
if you regress at anything. But then it's like, well,

2316
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:28,680
why are you betting against a guy that has gotten

2317
01:44:28,760 --> 01:44:31,319
so much better already? Like he's it's a Jada argument.

2318
01:44:31,399 --> 01:44:33,159
It's just like why would it stop now? He's just

2319
01:44:33,279 --> 01:44:35,439
like clearly he's someone that works at his weaknesses and

2320
01:44:35,479 --> 01:44:37,600
gets better. So it's a hot take, but I believe

2321
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:41,960
that it is appropriately hot for in just just because

2322
01:44:42,079 --> 01:44:45,439
like maybe there's another factor too, as I'm thinking of it,

2323
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:48,640
like Orlando has bet on organic growth before and been right,

2324
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,199
and like they just didn't go get a playmaker, and

2325
01:44:51,279 --> 01:44:53,479
it could because they think Jalen Suggs can add that

2326
01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:56,000
to his game. And that's another and they'll be right

2327
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,479
about that too, Like why like that's not a crazy

2328
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:00,640
thing to think, so hot take because it's hard to

2329
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:04,239
get better to that degree twice. But I do think like,

2330
01:45:04,319 --> 01:45:07,000
if you're gonna pick somebody to do it, someone likes Suggs.

2331
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:08,760
Speaker 1: Is the right guy, right, And I think the path

2332
01:45:09,079 --> 01:45:10,800
like if you were trying to dilute the pathway down

2333
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:13,520
even further, it's there's no three point shooting regression. And

2334
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,359
he leads this team and assists or finish his second

2335
01:45:16,479 --> 01:45:18,439
behind Palo bank Carrol. That is, oh, that's a huge

2336
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:21,079
jump then, because I mean even Paulo Bank Carol lets

2337
01:45:21,079 --> 01:45:22,640
the team in assists at five point four and so

2338
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:24,600
it's not like if you put the ball in someone's hands,

2339
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,079
more so outside the realman possibility that there's a new

2340
01:45:27,479 --> 01:45:29,840
team leader and assists per game. And at this point

2341
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:32,119
I feel like I think there'll be people with differing

2342
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:34,600
opinions here and that's fine, but it could be Jaalen Suggs.

2343
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:37,039
Now it banks out a ton of improvement, but it's

2344
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:38,680
kind of the whole point of most improved player. There

2345
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:42,119
you go. We are on to the Philadelphia seventy six ers.

2346
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:46,439
Uh do you know who that is on screen? Grand?

2347
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:47,840
I just want to I just want to make sure.

2348
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:52,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I do know. He is a former NBA player

2349
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,439
who was a very good French national team contributor, who

2350
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:56,479
is an NBA player again.

2351
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:58,920
Speaker 1: Oh, he also blew past the screen. I apologize, why don't.

2352
01:45:58,920 --> 01:46:03,239
I'm getting really bad at it. There, huge muscles, huge

2353
01:46:03,279 --> 01:46:06,039
ash too nice, nice tobbed to him. Hey, like on

2354
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:09,079
the same team. Just crazy. So I'm going to predict

2355
01:46:09,359 --> 01:46:10,880
that it's kind of by the way, it's kind of

2356
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:13,000
spicy to come up with like real hot takes for

2357
01:46:13,079 --> 01:46:15,119
the Sixers, though we actually have one that I thought

2358
01:46:15,199 --> 01:46:19,199
was a great one from a subscriber anyway, Gershan Yabuselli

2359
01:46:19,279 --> 01:46:22,560
will start more games than KAYLEB Martin or Kelly Ubridge Junior.

2360
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 2: That's real hot. I'm gonna need you to lay this

2361
01:46:27,079 --> 01:46:28,560
out for me just because.

2362
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:32,479
Speaker 1: I get a properly sized for. And maybe I shouldn't

2363
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:34,640
throw Kelly Ubrige Junior in there because he could start

2364
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:36,880
technically as a two if you really wanted to. So

2365
01:46:37,319 --> 01:46:40,359
I think Yabuselli starts more games than Kayla Martin, Like

2366
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:42,159
maybe let's stick it there, because you're not gonna start

2367
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:44,600
Kayla Martin as like you're not gonna start Kayla Martin,

2368
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:47,520
Yabuseli and Paul George. So I look at it as

2369
01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:51,439
just like who is the four? Yes, Kayla Martin and

2370
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,000
Paul George. You can have them do that. And I

2371
01:46:53,039 --> 01:46:54,840
guess if you want Kelleyobridge Junior to do it and

2372
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:58,319
kJ Martin before you inevitably trade him, and that would

2373
01:46:58,319 --> 01:47:00,119
be probably the pushback to as well, they're eventually going

2374
01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:01,720
to make a trade and maybe they get a starting for.

2375
01:47:02,399 --> 01:47:04,920
I just feel like their depth has been a little

2376
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:07,000
bit overblown to where it's like, if you do start

2377
01:47:07,079 --> 01:47:09,359
Kaylen Martin, it's all right, Like what are we looking at?

2378
01:47:09,399 --> 01:47:12,439
With the bench really now, and so yeah, you could stagger,

2379
01:47:13,079 --> 01:47:16,000
but I think that maybe they won't start like this,

2380
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:18,079
but we'll get to a point in the season where

2381
01:47:18,079 --> 01:47:20,840
it's we want the body of Yabuselli out there to

2382
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:23,159
just like kind of handle, especially against certain matchups. You

2383
01:47:23,239 --> 01:47:25,560
might just prefer if you're going up against Boston and

2384
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:27,319
they're playing two bigs, or what if the Knicks at

2385
01:47:27,359 --> 01:47:29,399
some point are starting Karl Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson,

2386
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,359
They're at Cleveland, Jared Allen and Evan Mobley. The list

2387
01:47:32,399 --> 01:47:35,880
goes on. I mean, so Orlando even Pallo, ben Caro

2388
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:38,319
and Wendell Carter Junr. So I just think for the

2389
01:47:38,439 --> 01:47:41,199
body type that he has and just like knowing that

2390
01:47:41,279 --> 01:47:43,920
you want to maximize your bench minutes while also insulating,

2391
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:46,560
I would argue the amount of reps you want to

2392
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:50,119
see Kayla Martin and Paul George. Let's call it guarding up, Like,

2393
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:52,439
who else is the answer here if it's not going

2394
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:55,359
to be Yabuselli. So, by the way, this was classic

2395
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,119
what is the spicy thought on the sixers? Right? But

2396
01:47:59,159 --> 01:47:59,680
you know what I mean?

2397
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:04,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like it wouldn't be just to create some contrast,

2398
01:48:04,159 --> 01:48:07,279
It would not be a hot take to say Yabasel

2399
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:09,560
is gonna will not be in the rotation like in

2400
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:11,359
December like that, because they'd be.

2401
01:48:11,359 --> 01:48:12,399
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, all right, I could see it.

2402
01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 2: So that's why this is a hot take. It might

2403
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:17,000
it's a little hot for me, just I mean, if

2404
01:48:17,039 --> 01:48:19,079
you've been out of the league, it's I don't ever

2405
01:48:19,159 --> 01:48:21,359
feel great about you starting a lot of games, but

2406
01:48:22,079 --> 01:48:25,439
like your points will take like he does address something

2407
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:27,560
and kind of balances things out if you, you know,

2408
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:31,359
for depth perspective. So good, good hot take. It's skewing

2409
01:48:31,399 --> 01:48:32,239
a little hot for me.

2410
01:48:33,079 --> 01:48:34,680
Speaker 1: That's so that's the first one I think you've said

2411
01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:36,880
of mine that's too hot. I had your Jamal Murray one.

2412
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:37,920
I just dumped all over.

2413
01:48:38,359 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 2: Then there's this one for me, so and I'll be back.

2414
01:48:41,359 --> 01:48:43,760
I think the two of Middleton and Lopez getting traded

2415
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:45,720
and port Is getting traded, I thought it was a

2416
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:48,479
little hot. But again I'm I don't know what hot

2417
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:48,840
takes are.

2418
01:48:49,439 --> 01:48:51,600
Speaker 1: That's fair. That's the what hot takes are. For like

2419
01:48:51,640 --> 01:48:54,119
an hour and fifty minutes, you one got a hot one.

2420
01:48:54,199 --> 01:48:58,039
Speaker 2: Dan Phoenix Suns, either Kevin Durant or Devin Booker will

2421
01:48:58,079 --> 01:48:59,920
not finish the season on the Phoenix Sun.

2422
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:03,520
Speaker 1: Here's why that's not hot enough. Oh, we're overdue for

2423
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,239
Kevin Durant trade requests. It's been over about that this morning.

2424
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:11,079
I think. No, I think that's hot because it's you

2425
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:13,880
go through all the it's just one of those for

2426
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,680
you to move them, one of those guys has to

2427
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:19,119
demand out. And even if let's say, okay, Devin Booker

2428
01:49:19,159 --> 01:49:21,960
is an example in raw time, like maybe he has

2429
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,560
the equity built up with the organization to ask for

2430
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:26,239
a trade and they'll give it to him. You look

2431
01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:28,479
at his contract that he doesn't have that leverage. Kevin

2432
01:49:28,520 --> 01:49:32,439
Durant might, So things would have to be going exceedingly

2433
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:35,159
poorly for them to do.

2434
01:49:35,319 --> 01:49:37,720
Speaker 2: Things have to go exceedingly poorly for Kevin Durant to

2435
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:41,760
be unhappy. Or can he win two titles and make

2436
01:49:41,800 --> 01:49:43,520
a third finals and still not be happy?

2437
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:47,039
Speaker 1: Okay, well, what hypothetically on this team is antagonizing him?

2438
01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:51,520
Speaker 2: Listen, he was unhappy before Draymond Green and Tech. No,

2439
01:49:52,319 --> 01:49:53,960
can I police my own hot take? This is too

2440
01:49:54,319 --> 01:49:54,800
because I.

2441
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:58,079
Speaker 1: Actually I actually think it. I think we got the

2442
01:49:58,159 --> 01:50:01,039
Kevin Durant trade request already and they figure it out

2443
01:50:01,079 --> 01:50:02,840
to work around it, just because do you remember when

2444
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:06,920
Wojes tweeted that Houston was targeting Kevin Duran Devin Booker

2445
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:09,720
in the equation, It's like that didn't just come out

2446
01:50:09,720 --> 01:50:10,119
of nowhere.

2447
01:50:10,199 --> 01:50:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, nope, yeah, that's right. Well now it's definitely gonna happen.

2448
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:15,880
But I actually have been leaning much more towards like

2449
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:18,880
the Sons are gonna be a monster this year. I

2450
01:50:19,039 --> 01:50:21,760
just I'm s so you have one that's not a

2451
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:23,880
hot take, but in terms of like what I actually

2452
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:25,720
believe versus I need to come up with a hot

2453
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,079
take for this team. Like I do think that like

2454
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:30,279
if you said the Suns won sixty two games, I'd

2455
01:50:30,319 --> 01:50:32,920
be like I could see it more so than like

2456
01:50:33,159 --> 01:50:36,239
Kevin Durant's But this is what Kevin Durant does, like

2457
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:40,359
or like something goes really badly and it's just like

2458
01:50:40,399 --> 01:50:42,880
we gotta trade Devin Booker. We're stuck. You know, Kevin

2459
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,479
Durant like falls off or gets hurt, and then Bradley

2460
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:47,159
Beal is not available, and it's like we got Devin

2461
01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:50,640
Booker and you know whoever we put together on the minimums.

2462
01:50:50,399 --> 01:50:52,880
Speaker 1: If that happens, we're just penciling him in for Houston

2463
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,199
right a billion? Yeah, Like that's that's the move. I

2464
01:50:56,279 --> 01:50:58,279
think you went two different ends of the spectrum where

2465
01:50:58,319 --> 01:51:01,199
the Sons are a monster? Isn't how that's just what.

2466
01:51:01,239 --> 01:51:03,199
Speaker 2: I actually believe is too hot monster?

2467
01:51:03,399 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I would say, like, is there something in

2468
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:08,560
the middle. Can can Devin Booker finish top five in

2469
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:11,199
MVP voting? Or would it be a hot take to

2470
01:51:11,239 --> 01:51:12,319
say no, I don't want to do that.

2471
01:51:12,359 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 2: Would it be a hot take to say, like, we

2472
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:17,600
will get another Bradley over six Men of the Year

2473
01:51:18,079 --> 01:51:22,920
hot Monte Morris outproduces Tyas Jones. That would be too hot?

2474
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:27,640
Speaker 1: Okay, what about this one? The Suns will trade their

2475
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:30,399
twenty thirty one pick by the trade deadline.

2476
01:51:30,439 --> 01:51:33,199
Speaker 2: Shouldn't that be the expectation based on how they're operating?

2477
01:51:34,640 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 1: I guess, But just like, well, yeah, I mean they

2478
01:51:37,039 --> 01:51:39,439
did sign josh Okobe that contract, so you have to

2479
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:43,159
like single out a player the Sun's trade for someone

2480
01:51:43,239 --> 01:51:45,359
who closes games for them in the playoffs.

2481
01:51:45,800 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then it's like you've got you gotta trade

2482
01:51:48,039 --> 01:51:50,039
like Nurkic probably to get anyone.

2483
01:51:50,600 --> 01:51:52,640
Speaker 1: But isn't that the same thing because you're not trading

2484
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,520
your twenty thirty one pick for someone who won't be

2485
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:56,279
closing games for you. So I kind of just said

2486
01:51:56,319 --> 01:51:59,279
the same thing without Yeah, I don't know. Uh, let's

2487
01:51:59,319 --> 01:51:59,560
move on.

2488
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:01,319
Speaker 2: I don't know the Suns are the Sons are going

2489
01:52:01,399 --> 01:52:03,079
to be a monster, but might also try to.

2490
01:52:03,079 --> 01:52:06,840
Speaker 1: Say Devin Booker gets more MVP credit than Devin Kevin Durant.

2491
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:10,800
Speaker 2: I think I like that. I think I mean Durant's

2492
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,119
gonna slip at some point, you know, like it's just

2493
01:52:13,239 --> 01:52:13,880
it's gonna happen.

2494
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 1: Well, one of the ten best players in basketball. Yeah,

2495
01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:23,640
I don't know. Uh allah. No, I think this is

2496
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:26,680
a hot take. What the Suns will be better on

2497
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,000
the defensive end this year than they were last year

2498
01:52:29,079 --> 01:52:33,359
when they were twelve, That would be a hot take.

2499
01:52:34,199 --> 01:52:34,800
I don't believe it.

2500
01:52:35,319 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we've moved straight. I don't understand what hot

2501
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,079
takes are, but that's not one. Uh.

2502
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:46,760
Speaker 1: Actually, I have a legitimate query about this team. When

2503
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,439
you look at their Tias Jones comes, I'm assuming we

2504
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:51,359
know he's gonna start, and I'm assuming he wouldn't come

2505
01:52:51,359 --> 01:52:52,880
if he didn't think he was gonna have the opportunity

2506
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:56,479
to close games. Yeah, so if you're closing games with

2507
01:52:57,439 --> 01:53:00,800
Kevin Durant, like our Tias Jones, Bradley Beald Booker, and

2508
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:02,920
Kevin Durant all just locks as part of your crunch

2509
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:03,439
time five.

2510
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:08,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if they're not, what's happened? Like, what then

2511
01:53:09,399 --> 01:53:09,560
is that?

2512
01:53:09,880 --> 01:53:11,840
Speaker 1: Is that your like the defensive one.

2513
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:14,239
Speaker 2: I mean I guess Royce O'Neil might be the guy,

2514
01:53:14,399 --> 01:53:17,119
or even like right that's the guy, or Grayson Allen,

2515
01:53:17,239 --> 01:53:20,079
I guess like would be someone else or it's not

2516
01:53:20,279 --> 01:53:22,920
Nurkic and you play Durant at center against certain matchups

2517
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:28,520
Like but I I once came over thinking like I'm

2518
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:30,640
gonna start, and they I don't know if they would

2519
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:33,000
have made promises. You can't really make the promise of

2520
01:53:33,079 --> 01:53:35,359
like we're gonna close with you because that's always like

2521
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,279
dependent on so many variables.

2522
01:53:37,359 --> 01:53:40,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, maybe maybe that's not a lock, do you

2523
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:43,239
because that I mean you could argue though, like would

2524
01:53:43,239 --> 01:53:46,319
Bradley Beal not be closing some games? Is that he's

2525
01:53:46,399 --> 01:53:48,800
not closing? What are we doing like that? Okay, so

2526
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:52,560
how about we settle on this the closing top. Kevin

2527
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:55,720
Durant at the five quote unquote at the five receives

2528
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:58,319
more crunch time minutes than use of nurkic.

2529
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:00,520
Speaker 2: That would a hot.

2530
01:54:00,399 --> 01:54:04,079
Speaker 1: Take, I think, but I believe it. I think, well

2531
01:54:04,119 --> 01:54:04,760
then I don't know, is it?

2532
01:54:04,920 --> 01:54:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, then that that's a prerequisite.

2533
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:07,600
Speaker 1: You have to believe it.

2534
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:10,199
Speaker 2: So that's that's that's kind of better than my trade one.

2535
01:54:10,319 --> 01:54:13,279
Speaker 1: I like that one. So is that that's appropriately hot?

2536
01:54:13,479 --> 01:54:16,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's appropriately hot. Yeah, you believe it. And it's like,

2537
01:54:16,840 --> 01:54:18,560
I don't know that might or might not happen. Most

2538
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,000
people probably don't think that. Okay, here we go.

2539
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:23,119
Speaker 1: This was a hard one. I didn't know what to

2540
01:54:23,199 --> 01:54:24,319
do with for Portland.

2541
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:27,039
Speaker 2: Uh and again it's already like do I believe this?

2542
01:54:27,359 --> 01:54:29,640
But I'll make the case. I think Portland could finish

2543
01:54:29,680 --> 01:54:32,079
ahead of at least three teams in the West. So

2544
01:54:32,479 --> 01:54:36,000
we eliminate the usual suspects, which for them is.

2545
01:54:36,079 --> 01:54:39,399
Speaker 1: Like nobody's that because they're predicted to.

2546
01:54:39,399 --> 01:54:42,319
Speaker 2: Be the So we satisfied one hot take criteria, and

2547
01:54:42,359 --> 01:54:45,119
that most people do not agree with this point. The

2548
01:54:45,159 --> 01:54:47,279
way it's the way it happens is I think the

2549
01:54:47,359 --> 01:54:50,359
Clippers over under has already fallen like below forty and

2550
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:53,399
and like they have blowed up. We've talked about a

2551
01:54:53,479 --> 01:54:56,319
Kuhi enter trade doesn't mean it will happen, but it's there. Utah,

2552
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,600
Like they're the only other one that the only other

2553
01:54:59,640 --> 01:55:02,760
team in the West that's like could really has steered

2554
01:55:02,800 --> 01:55:04,479
into the skid in the past, just not for a

2555
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,159
full season. And they've got the security of like we

2556
01:55:07,239 --> 01:55:09,960
got market and locked up, that's okay, we like don't

2557
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,279
need to worry about too much there, so we can

2558
01:55:12,399 --> 01:55:14,920
just be bad. We can let Keanta, George Taylor, Hendras,

2559
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:18,079
everybody play, so they could be belown. Then it's just

2560
01:55:18,199 --> 01:55:21,439
like there's a mystery team that needs to slip. Probably

2561
01:55:21,479 --> 01:55:24,159
not the Spurs, I think people would nominate them, but

2562
01:55:24,319 --> 01:55:29,760
between like the Lakers, the Warriors, who else am I missing?

2563
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:31,800
That could be like, oh no, they got old and

2564
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,359
bad fast, Like there's got I.

2565
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:37,039
Speaker 1: Think the Pelicans kind of have the potential. If Zion

2566
01:55:37,159 --> 01:55:39,199
gets injured, what happens there?

2567
01:55:39,680 --> 01:55:42,800
Speaker 2: So I think you've got like two legit candidates in

2568
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:45,399
the Clippers and the Jazz, and then you just need

2569
01:55:45,479 --> 01:55:47,680
one of these. There's always going to be somebody, right

2570
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:50,119
that just falls apart, Like there's who's going to be

2571
01:55:50,199 --> 01:55:52,680
Memphis this year? Like maybe that's an extreme case, but

2572
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:57,600
like it might be Memphis again like ming, that's not

2573
01:55:57,720 --> 01:55:59,279
off the table, so too hot?

2574
01:55:59,479 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 1: You think, I think that's appropriately hot because and you

2575
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:03,800
wonder what makes it? I think because I think you

2576
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:05,760
could sit there and say that's too hot, but we

2577
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:08,760
don't actually know that. The Blazers would lean into the

2578
01:56:08,840 --> 01:56:12,039
skid if they're not skidding. Look at the talent on

2579
01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:15,319
this froide of it, right, they're good players. You're stacked.

2580
01:56:15,439 --> 01:56:18,119
They're not stacked like, oh they're gonna be. They're like

2581
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:20,560
every single position you're like, well, how are you gonna

2582
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,600
there's always it feels like they're gonna be like the

2583
01:56:22,680 --> 01:56:25,079
Bigs or the wings or the guards. It's they have

2584
01:56:25,199 --> 01:56:28,119
so much talent. So I think that's appropriately hot. I

2585
01:56:28,319 --> 01:56:31,560
was gonna throw to you, and I think this would

2586
01:56:31,680 --> 01:56:34,000
dovetail with would they steer into the skid? They have

2587
01:56:34,079 --> 01:56:36,600
the potential, I think, to be an above average.

2588
01:56:36,279 --> 01:56:39,199
Speaker 2: Defense, just like they could put lineups out there for sure,

2589
01:56:39,279 --> 01:56:41,359
like between you've got Tyble and Kamara like that.

2590
01:56:41,479 --> 01:56:44,239
Speaker 1: There's your that's a start, right. I thought Jane Charp

2591
01:56:44,279 --> 01:56:45,960
got a little bit better last year. More importantly, I

2592
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:49,359
think you have Robert Williams the third there's I don't

2593
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:51,199
you know, we we tend to have this idea that

2594
01:56:51,279 --> 01:56:53,279
rookies aren't good defensively right out of the gate. I

2595
01:56:53,319 --> 01:56:55,039
do feel like over the past few years it's kind

2596
01:56:55,079 --> 01:56:58,800
of been like Evan Mowley comes in, Usar Thompson comes in,

2597
01:56:58,920 --> 01:57:02,199
Victor Webbinyama comes in. That feels like, anecdotally, it's just

2598
01:57:02,279 --> 01:57:04,159
not as true anymore. And so if you're asking someone

2599
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:06,880
to just come in and protect a hoop, I don't

2600
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:07,560
think you could do that.

2601
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:09,159
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, what if what if Donal and

2602
01:57:09,239 --> 01:57:11,600
Cleon gives you a Walker Kesseler rookie season where it's

2603
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:12,720
just like, oh my god, this guy's like.

2604
01:57:13,159 --> 01:57:15,720
Speaker 1: Remember another one? And then Denny Avdya is now on

2605
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:18,680
this team, which is also kind of it's he's young,

2606
01:57:19,159 --> 01:57:20,720
but the idea and I know they had picks in

2607
01:57:20,760 --> 01:57:22,960
twenty twenty nine to spare, but you just gave up

2608
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:25,359
a lottery pick for him. So it's kind of just

2609
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:28,520
like there's an element of I don't think where where

2610
01:57:28,520 --> 01:57:31,920
it's the bulls, I consider it damning and franchise malpractice.

2611
01:57:32,119 --> 01:57:34,880
I don't necessarily understand what Portland's end game is here,

2612
01:57:35,319 --> 01:57:39,119
but I don't hate it as much that undefined destination

2613
01:57:39,319 --> 01:57:42,119
for them, So I think that's an appropriate amount of hot.

2614
01:57:42,359 --> 01:57:44,960
A lot of it probably comes down to, though, like

2615
01:57:45,119 --> 01:57:47,520
will Scoot or Shade and Sharp kind of make that

2616
01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:49,479
leap to well, okay, they both need to be healthy.

2617
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,079
I thought Sharp shows some stuff last year. When you

2618
01:57:52,159 --> 01:57:55,039
playing thirty something games, those guys are gonna be so

2619
01:57:55,239 --> 01:57:58,880
central to what this team is doing that if they're

2620
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,680
bad that it's kind of like, okay, like what are

2621
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:02,279
we doing there?

2622
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:06,960
Speaker 2: They definitely, like to a really extreme degree, because of

2623
01:58:07,079 --> 01:58:09,920
all the good players we just mentioned, like they're in

2624
01:58:10,039 --> 01:58:11,880
control of this and if they don't want to be

2625
01:58:12,399 --> 01:58:14,600
like the you know, third from the bottom or fourth

2626
01:58:14,640 --> 01:58:17,760
from the bottom, you just who wants Jeremy Grant? Who

2627
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,359
wants Anthony Simons? There's gonna be no shortage of suitors.

2628
01:58:20,079 --> 01:58:21,399
Speaker 1: For a lot of those guys. You know what. The

2629
01:58:21,479 --> 01:58:23,520
other thing is too, I do feel like in season

2630
01:58:23,600 --> 01:58:27,760
trades are harder now because of the aprons. What's fascinating

2631
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,600
this is really Galaxy brain I'm calling my own point fascinating.

2632
01:58:30,640 --> 01:58:33,279
It's fascinating immediately is that you could say, well, like,

2633
01:58:33,279 --> 01:58:35,880
why wouldn't they want to trade these guys? Some of

2634
01:58:35,920 --> 01:58:38,159
the names you mentioned all of them are under contract

2635
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:41,159
beyond this season, and if the Blazers are somehow I

2636
01:58:41,279 --> 01:58:43,840
know this is stupid, but like eleventh or tenth in

2637
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:45,720
the West. I mean they're tenth in the West and

2638
01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:49,359
made the plane for sure, but like it's because those

2639
01:58:49,439 --> 01:58:52,520
guys played well and were probably healthy. Their trade value

2640
01:58:52,640 --> 01:58:55,680
is that increased. Yeah, look at someone like Jeremy Grant

2641
01:58:56,079 --> 01:58:58,359
less time on his deal. Everyone's freaking out about that.

2642
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:01,199
But like, if Ayton has a good season, he becomes

2643
01:59:01,279 --> 01:59:04,399
more valuable as an expiring contract, and Frey Simon's he

2644
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:06,640
has value right now, but he'll has value as an

2645
01:59:06,840 --> 01:59:12,000
expiring contract. So it's just there. Almost might be like, yeah,

2646
01:59:12,039 --> 01:59:14,359
you don't want to finish eleventh, but it's just the

2647
01:59:14,439 --> 01:59:16,640
lottery odds are flattened anyway, So this team could be

2648
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:18,840
eleventh or tenth and maybe they win the top four

2649
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:21,720
pick regardless. But you could look at this and say, well, no,

2650
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,119
they'll make trades because they have to make trades, and

2651
01:59:24,199 --> 01:59:26,640
it's well, couldn't they argue that if they're trying to

2652
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:29,560
maximize the value of the players who are most likely

2653
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:33,119
to be traded, that having a better than expected season,

2654
01:59:33,439 --> 01:59:35,079
not just half season is the way to do that.

2655
01:59:35,439 --> 01:59:37,920
Speaker 2: Not only that, but the other side of the are

2656
01:59:38,000 --> 01:59:39,840
we just talking ourselves into the Blazers by the way

2657
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:41,079
I feel I feel like.

2658
01:59:42,039 --> 01:59:45,119
Speaker 1: Like, think about this, if we're gonna end this, Grants like, yeah,

2659
01:59:45,159 --> 01:59:47,239
I think they could get to the Western Conference line

2660
01:59:47,399 --> 01:59:48,239
right well.

2661
01:59:49,319 --> 01:59:52,439
Speaker 2: I like, so if you're in that position right where

2662
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:54,800
typically we would say like teams don't want to be

2663
01:59:54,880 --> 01:59:57,359
here where it's like we could finish tenth, right, like

2664
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,880
that's possible, Like we could do maybe ninth, Like maybe

2665
02:00:00,039 --> 02:00:02,039
we'll get you know, maybe we'll get what about eighth,

2666
02:00:02,079 --> 02:00:03,960
we can get two cracks at a play. And when like,

2667
02:00:05,079 --> 02:00:07,119
if you're in that sort of you know, you're not

2668
02:00:07,279 --> 02:00:09,640
like way down at the bottom and you're the Blazers,

2669
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:11,079
you look at the roster and say, like, yeah, we

2670
02:00:11,119 --> 02:00:14,079
could trade these guys the Jeremy Grants, the DeAndre Ads

2671
02:00:14,119 --> 02:00:17,359
or whatever. But it's like we sort of already have

2672
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:20,039
And if you are that good, chances are someone likes

2673
02:00:20,039 --> 02:00:22,199
Scoot and Sharp and whoever else have like played pretty

2674
02:00:22,199 --> 02:00:24,680
well right like, or at least not been damaging. You

2675
02:00:24,800 --> 02:00:26,399
look at your roster and say, like, we kind of

2676
02:00:26,439 --> 02:00:28,920
already have. We just drafted klinging, we haven't seen a

2677
02:00:28,960 --> 02:00:31,000
lot of sharp we have. We believed Scoot was a

2678
02:00:31,039 --> 02:00:33,439
franchise altering guy. Kamara is not old. You'd be like,

2679
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:35,800
we kind of have the young guys already, So like,

2680
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:37,960
are we gonna trade Jeremy Grant for more picks?

2681
02:00:38,119 --> 02:00:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean like in a vacuum, Yeah, you probably do that.

2682
02:00:40,359 --> 02:00:42,800
Speaker 2: But it's like our young core is sort of here,

2683
02:00:43,199 --> 02:00:45,920
and if you are in this hypothetical position we're talking about,

2684
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:49,159
it's like, well, clearly it's pretty good because they helped us,

2685
02:00:49,279 --> 02:00:51,560
you know, not be the worst team in the conference.

2686
02:00:52,039 --> 02:00:55,600
So like that pushes against selling off even more. Like

2687
02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:57,800
in addition to upping the value of the vets, it's

2688
02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:00,279
just like, we got our guys. We're just gonna give

2689
02:01:00,319 --> 02:01:02,760
them this experience in a playoff setting that'll be valuable.

2690
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:04,239
We don't need another top five pick.

2691
02:01:04,359 --> 02:01:09,000
Speaker 1: Like that's a great point. It's like a shot, well

2692
02:01:09,640 --> 02:01:13,319
really good. Wait so this isn't hot enough then yeah,

2693
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:15,039
maybe we need to say they'll make the play in

2694
02:01:15,279 --> 02:01:16,680
I don't know, we've kind of we.

2695
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:18,119
Speaker 2: Probably should relax a little bit.

2696
02:01:18,199 --> 02:01:22,600
Speaker 1: But they got some I mean, they have their staffed

2697
02:01:22,760 --> 02:01:24,000
the way they feel.

2698
02:01:24,039 --> 02:01:26,520
Speaker 2: So they feel like a team we would normally criticize

2699
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:29,960
for not picking a direction, but like, actually the case

2700
02:01:30,079 --> 02:01:32,640
is they can kind of have it both ways, which

2701
02:01:32,720 --> 02:01:35,439
feels unfair to the teams would criticize for no direction.

2702
02:01:35,439 --> 02:01:37,399
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know. They got a bunch of

2703
02:01:37,439 --> 02:01:38,960
young guys, Like how many more do you need?

2704
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:41,920
Speaker 2: Like, I don't know. It's it's a weird thing.

2705
02:01:42,359 --> 02:01:44,520
Speaker 1: I do this thing, you know, every year Bleacher Report,

2706
02:01:44,600 --> 02:01:46,760
and some people don't get the bit, and it's just

2707
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:50,000
very funny because it's very obvious that it's a bit.

2708
02:01:50,079 --> 02:01:52,760
But it's why your favorite basically why your favorite team sucks,

2709
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:55,760
but for every team. So I'm writing about why all

2710
02:01:55,840 --> 02:01:59,119
thirty teams sucks. So like, understand the bit. I provide

2711
02:01:59,199 --> 02:02:02,359
nutshell case for people who hate reading where there are

2712
02:02:02,399 --> 02:02:04,239
like one or two lines. My nutshell case of the

2713
02:02:04,279 --> 02:02:09,000
Blazers was having concepts for loose outlines of unfinished blueprints

2714
02:02:09,079 --> 02:02:11,039
for a plan. Is in something about which to brag,

2715
02:02:11,600 --> 02:02:13,399
and that's it. You're right in a sense that we

2716
02:02:13,399 --> 02:02:16,279
would normally criticize teams that don't sort of have this

2717
02:02:16,399 --> 02:02:18,840
clear cut direction, but with the Blazers, and I hadn't

2718
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:20,840
even thought of it in these terms it's just if

2719
02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:23,239
you think you already have your guys in place, which

2720
02:02:23,279 --> 02:02:25,560
some people might say, did you see the season that's

2721
02:02:25,560 --> 02:02:27,600
scoot just that that's a pretty big if, but they

2722
02:02:27,680 --> 02:02:31,840
could believe it still. Yeah, so man, so yeah, come

2723
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:33,640
up with a different hot take. You just provided like

2724
02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:35,680
the most lukewarm table. We just got to move it

2725
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:36,239
up to the plan.

2726
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:38,319
Speaker 2: This is a little hotter, I would say.

2727
02:02:38,520 --> 02:02:40,960
Speaker 1: About to get someone's gonna get lectured. I don't know who.

2728
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:43,000
I'm lecturing someone at large at some point in this,

2729
02:02:43,119 --> 02:02:43,520
but it's.

2730
02:02:43,399 --> 02:02:46,239
Speaker 2: Gonna happen, all right. Uh Malik Monk will finish the

2731
02:02:46,319 --> 02:02:47,640
season on another team.

2732
02:02:48,439 --> 02:02:51,520
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you have Sorry, I was gonna say that's

2733
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:54,119
I'd probably say that's appropriately hot in the sense that,

2734
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:57,840
given how quickly he re signed, it either showed that

2735
02:02:58,039 --> 02:03:00,359
he really wanted to be there or he kind of

2736
02:03:00,439 --> 02:03:03,560
understood that the market was going to fall out where

2737
02:03:03,560 --> 02:03:05,479
it was. Oh, if Orlando's not going to go after me,

2738
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:06,039
then who.

2739
02:03:06,479 --> 02:03:09,640
Speaker 2: Right, And there's that component of it, and there's just

2740
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:13,439
the like we've beaten it into the ground, but like

2741
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:16,479
the Kings are just over indexed on like guys who

2742
02:03:16,600 --> 02:03:19,159
need big minutes and deserve them frankly, that are kind

2743
02:03:19,199 --> 02:03:21,720
of on ball first type of guys, right, And it's

2744
02:03:21,800 --> 02:03:25,399
like the roster's a little unbalanced, And that's frankly, that's

2745
02:03:25,479 --> 02:03:29,359
true even if Keegan Murray and Kean Ellis are just

2746
02:03:29,479 --> 02:03:33,039
like great defensive players, which probably like and I think

2747
02:03:33,119 --> 02:03:35,279
Murray has done enough to suggest like, yeah, he's just

2748
02:03:35,359 --> 02:03:37,800
a good defender and Mike might get much better than

2749
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:42,319
that great and Ellis has in small samples, has been like, oh,

2750
02:03:42,399 --> 02:03:44,000
that guy's causing some trouble out there.

2751
02:03:44,079 --> 02:03:45,079
Speaker 1: I want him on the floor.

2752
02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:48,600
Speaker 2: So even if those guys are both, you know, the

2753
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:50,640
high end of what we think is possible for them,

2754
02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:54,439
you still just have this thing of like, well, DeRozan

2755
02:03:54,479 --> 02:03:57,239
needs the ball, he doesn't space dearon Fox deserve to

2756
02:03:57,279 --> 02:04:00,039
have the ball because he's awesome Demonasabonis his value he

2757
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:01,920
was mainly on the ball because he's such a good

2758
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:03,920
passer and he's so unselfish and he sets all these

2759
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,039
screens in the handoff game and this, that and the other.

2760
02:04:06,600 --> 02:04:08,680
And then like Monk is an awesome six man who

2761
02:04:09,039 --> 02:04:10,760
like would start for a lot of teams and is

2762
02:04:10,800 --> 02:04:13,960
a huge like piece of the closing puzzle. But that's

2763
02:04:14,119 --> 02:04:17,119
like that's four guys, so it's just like it's I'm

2764
02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:19,439
almost like, is this even hot? But like they did

2765
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:21,640
just sign him, so it's like, do you trade that guy?

2766
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:22,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2767
02:04:22,640 --> 02:04:25,319
Speaker 2: He's the piece that I think they'd be most willing

2768
02:04:25,399 --> 02:04:28,720
to move of those four on ball dudes. And I think,

2769
02:04:28,840 --> 02:04:32,319
like you know, the problem with it is, and maybe

2770
02:04:32,399 --> 02:04:34,840
this is why it's hot, is if somebody really wanted

2771
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:37,279
Malik Monk, they would have just signed him. And why

2772
02:04:37,359 --> 02:04:38,359
are you going to trade for him?

2773
02:04:38,399 --> 02:04:40,479
Speaker 1: Now? You wouldn't need a cap space to do that,

2774
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:42,640
so if you didn't have I'm just talking about Orlando

2775
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:45,479
mostly by the way, I do think it's appropriately hawks.

2776
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:47,720
I asked Greg Wissinger when we did the Kings Look

2777
02:04:47,720 --> 02:04:49,760
Ahead about this thing. Is there a chance that Monk

2778
02:04:50,039 --> 02:04:52,800
everyone's talking about, Oh, Kevin Herder's salary? I said, is

2779
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:54,840
there chance that Monk becomes I don't want to say

2780
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,239
trade ballast because he's not empty salary, but like someone

2781
02:04:57,279 --> 02:04:59,840
who's traded because you have Drosen. He told me no,

2782
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:02,920
so I would say this is appropriately hot. But I'm

2783
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:04,920
with you on everything you said. And also he's young

2784
02:05:05,039 --> 02:05:07,359
enough to where it's not you know, if you're trying

2785
02:05:07,399 --> 02:05:10,760
to trade Demart Rosen is an example to it, like

2786
02:05:11,319 --> 02:05:14,039
a team that's rebuilding, it's.

2787
02:05:13,479 --> 02:05:15,960
Speaker 2: A limited number of suitors for someone like him. Monk

2788
02:05:16,119 --> 02:05:17,800
is like, yeah, I mean he's he's in his prime

2789
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:19,680
and he can really score, he can run an offense.

2790
02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:21,680
We'll take him like at a number.

2791
02:05:22,439 --> 02:05:25,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. And so I think this is appropriately hot because

2792
02:05:25,119 --> 02:05:27,359
you do have to if you're trading him and you're

2793
02:05:27,399 --> 02:05:29,840
not making like the person coming back. I think if

2794
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:32,039
you're trading Monk, and maybe this is dumb to say

2795
02:05:32,079 --> 02:05:34,239
because you have Keon Ellison Keegan Murray, so maybe you're

2796
02:05:34,279 --> 02:05:36,760
closing lineups written in stone with the Rosens, the Bonus

2797
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:40,119
and uh Fox. But I would say if you're trading

2798
02:05:40,199 --> 02:05:42,319
him and you're not getting a clear like sixth guy

2799
02:05:42,399 --> 02:05:44,319
who could be a part of some of your closing lineups,

2800
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:46,239
that's where it gets tricky. But we're also not talking

2801
02:05:46,279 --> 02:05:48,840
about someone who doesn't space the floor or is it big.

2802
02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:50,359
So it's like if you need a wing or just

2803
02:05:50,520 --> 02:05:53,800
sort of a bigger perimeter player, like like I don't

2804
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:55,399
know if I would flip him for a rim protector

2805
02:05:55,439 --> 02:05:57,239
if that rim protector is like kind of a four,

2806
02:05:57,359 --> 02:06:01,680
maybe i'd consider it. I think, Yeah, I think that's

2807
02:06:01,680 --> 02:06:05,239
appropriately hot. Yeah. I was surprised you didn't go with

2808
02:06:05,279 --> 02:06:08,239
the Martin Rosen makes all defense because he had a better.

2809
02:06:10,279 --> 02:06:11,840
Shout out to all the Kings fans who have found

2810
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,680
the defensive raiding column on Basketball Reference or NBA dot

2811
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:16,439
com or whatever it is. It's not it's not an

2812
02:06:16,439 --> 02:06:18,800
individual stat. But I appreciate you all trying to tell

2813
02:06:18,840 --> 02:06:21,520
me that the defensive rating proves that the Martin ros

2814
02:06:21,640 --> 02:06:23,880
is a better defender than the Barnes. I hate this

2815
02:06:24,039 --> 02:06:26,079
is not all Kings fans, and the Kings fans that

2816
02:06:26,119 --> 02:06:27,920
I care about, like we're the ones that I interact

2817
02:06:27,960 --> 02:06:29,600
with on Twitter. For the most part, they've gotten in

2818
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:32,800
on the joke. But I'm just I'm amazed at how

2819
02:06:32,840 --> 02:06:34,840
many people are just penciling into Martin Rosen is a

2820
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:40,479
defensive upgrade in Sacramento. I'm an upgrade. He's a talent upgrade.

2821
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:45,079
That's not for dispute. That's indisputable. I just you can't

2822
02:06:45,119 --> 02:06:46,880
come and all is they will cite for me is

2823
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:48,800
defensive rating defensive raiding.

2824
02:06:49,560 --> 02:06:53,000
Speaker 2: If you were if you're citing individual defensive rating in

2825
02:06:53,119 --> 02:06:56,760
a serious way and thinking that like ends the conversation.

2826
02:06:56,880 --> 02:06:59,640
I'd like to welcome you to twenty eleven. Glad you're here.

2827
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:03,600
Congratulations on making it like we've that's like beyond anyway,

2828
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:08,079
let's move to the Spurs. This probably isn't hot enough, uh.

2829
02:07:08,359 --> 02:07:10,600
I think Victor wemb Yama is going to be in

2830
02:07:10,720 --> 02:07:14,000
everybody's MVP ladder, in the top five by mid November,

2831
02:07:14,039 --> 02:07:16,199
and he will not fall out of that status. Like

2832
02:07:16,279 --> 02:07:18,920
I just think, whatever we've how many different times have

2833
02:07:19,000 --> 02:07:22,920
we just like half jokingly hyperbolized about him, Like I

2834
02:07:23,000 --> 02:07:25,640
think I used undeniable for Red Shepherd, Like he's going

2835
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:28,000
to be truly undeniably good where the numbers are like

2836
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:30,680
he can't be outside of the top five and MVP,

2837
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:31,680
like he just can't.

2838
02:07:32,840 --> 02:07:34,960
Speaker 1: So, by the way, so I'm staring at the picture

2839
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:36,119
I have it him on screen. I don't know if

2840
02:07:36,119 --> 02:07:38,640
I'm just looking at too hard, But doesn't it kind

2841
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:41,680
of look like that's NBA two K. I mean, like

2842
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:43,600
it doesn't look like a real person, and it kind

2843
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:46,319
of looks like he just like conquered a country and

2844
02:07:46,439 --> 02:07:49,720
this is he's posing pain too that they're building outside

2845
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:52,119
his palace. That's what it looks like to me. So

2846
02:07:52,680 --> 02:07:56,239
I think that's probably Honestly, I would say it's appropriately

2847
02:07:56,319 --> 02:07:58,920
hot to too hot because you could look at it.

2848
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:02,600
So Luka doncic. I think he finished ninth in MVP

2849
02:08:02,760 --> 02:08:06,720
voting as a sophomore. Lebron finished sixth. I believe. So

2850
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:08,560
it's just like you have those we have a track

2851
02:08:08,600 --> 02:08:12,039
record of Okay, guys can finish that high, but they're

2852
02:08:12,199 --> 02:08:14,600
still and I'm not saying it's right or wrong, Like

2853
02:08:14,720 --> 02:08:16,520
if I don't, how do you view it in the

2854
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:18,399
MVP discussion. Well, let's say the Spurs have like a

2855
02:08:18,479 --> 02:08:20,600
plus ten net rating with women Yam on the court,

2856
02:08:20,640 --> 02:08:23,760
but they're negative thirty without him. They're not gonna win

2857
02:08:23,920 --> 02:08:26,439
enough games for him to be in the discussion. And

2858
02:08:26,520 --> 02:08:29,600
I've never I still I'm not even you know, I

2859
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:32,920
shit on people like subtweet them while talking or whatever

2860
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:35,079
we'll call it, throw shade. I don't know how to

2861
02:08:35,159 --> 02:08:36,760
reconcile that. It's like, well, how much do we I

2862
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:39,039
understand the interests, like, well, the MVP should come from

2863
02:08:39,079 --> 02:08:41,159
someone on a top tier team, but how much do

2864
02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:43,319
you penalize someone for what's happening when they're not on

2865
02:08:43,439 --> 02:08:45,760
the court. Isn't that sort of make there, and there's

2866
02:08:45,760 --> 02:08:47,720
been an uptick in this is we want guys who

2867
02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:50,119
are on great teams, but they make their team so

2868
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:52,880
much better because their teams struggle without them on the court.

2869
02:08:53,319 --> 02:08:55,720
That's not gonna be Wemby. I don't think that the

2870
02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:57,680
Spurs are gonna win enough games to put him in

2871
02:08:58,159 --> 02:09:00,880
the top five of the MVP ballot. We're talking about,

2872
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:02,960
like just to run through some names here, so he

2873
02:09:03,039 --> 02:09:07,399
has to finish ahead of at least one of Luca Giannis, Embiid,

2874
02:09:07,880 --> 02:09:15,319
Shay Tatum, Jalen Brunson, Anthony Edwards, Jo Kicch fuck Yokich

2875
02:09:15,399 --> 02:09:18,920
is go get that John Moran like and look at

2876
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:21,399
like kind of the other story like John Moran. If

2877
02:09:21,439 --> 02:09:23,119
the Grizzlies are good, like if they are just all

2878
02:09:23,159 --> 02:09:24,600
of a sudden the third best team in the West

2879
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:27,000
again after that gap year, he's gonna get a bunch

2880
02:09:27,039 --> 02:09:29,720
of credit. I think it's that makes it the appropriate

2881
02:09:29,720 --> 02:09:31,680
amount of hot, because I think wemb Miyama will be

2882
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:34,560
good and impactful enough to do that. But this idea

2883
02:09:35,199 --> 02:09:38,000
that we've gotten to a point where I'm not even

2884
02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:39,840
just saying that voters are okay with it, but that

2885
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:42,960
it is okay, in general, to have someone so high

2886
02:09:43,039 --> 02:09:46,439
up in the MVP discussion who's not on a team

2887
02:09:46,479 --> 02:09:48,359
that's above Like are the Spurs gonna be if they're

2888
02:09:48,359 --> 02:09:51,039
above five hundred, it's because they won what forty two games?

2889
02:09:51,359 --> 02:09:53,880
So if you're saying this, and I'm not saying that

2890
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:55,560
you're saying this. If you're if this is your take,

2891
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:57,319
I think you also have to believe that the Spurs

2892
02:09:57,359 --> 02:09:58,840
are gonna win at least forty five games.

2893
02:09:59,640 --> 02:10:03,000
Speaker 2: I think that's that's yeah. I think realistically it's like,

2894
02:10:03,119 --> 02:10:05,239
you know, remember when Westbrook was I was going to

2895
02:10:05,319 --> 02:10:07,560
reference him for another reason, but like, what did the

2896
02:10:07,640 --> 02:10:10,039
thunder finished sixth? The year that he averaged the first

2897
02:10:10,199 --> 02:10:11,800
the triple though?

2898
02:10:11,840 --> 02:10:13,600
Speaker 1: Wasn't that the year? Yeah? And it was just like

2899
02:10:13,880 --> 02:10:15,760
can we give this guy the MVP? And the answer

2900
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:18,159
was like yeah it was. I think it was the

2901
02:10:18,199 --> 02:10:20,960
wrong answer, but the answer was like yeah, the numbers

2902
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:23,039
are just like what do we? How do we? Not?

2903
02:10:23,479 --> 02:10:25,560
Speaker 2: Right? Like how do how do But he also had

2904
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:27,279
all the crazy clutch stuff where it was like, no,

2905
02:10:27,399 --> 02:10:29,920
he actually did just win them games that they shouldn't have,

2906
02:10:30,039 --> 02:10:32,920
so like that win total was like, oh no, it's

2907
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:37,000
like extremely attributable just to him anecdotally because he won

2908
02:10:37,039 --> 02:10:38,439
them this game and then this one and this one

2909
02:10:38,680 --> 02:10:40,840
in addition to the numbers. I just think, like all

2910
02:10:41,239 --> 02:10:43,239
like the Yokic argument of like look at the on

2911
02:10:43,439 --> 02:10:45,359
off and like the Russ argument of like look at

2912
02:10:45,359 --> 02:10:47,840
the box score numbers, and we'll combine with like the

2913
02:10:47,920 --> 02:10:50,600
hype machine and the possibility that the Spurs are actually

2914
02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:53,600
like close to good enough as a team that it's

2915
02:10:53,720 --> 02:10:55,800
just that we're gonna get like not that far into

2916
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:57,680
the season where we just have to kind of like

2917
02:10:58,279 --> 02:11:00,640
throw our hands up and say, like I don't know,

2918
02:11:00,840 --> 02:11:02,960
like how do how do we not like how how

2919
02:11:03,039 --> 02:11:04,640
do we how do we not have him in the

2920
02:11:04,720 --> 02:11:05,119
top five?

2921
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:07,680
Speaker 1: It would actually be could you see people viewing it

2922
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:11,279
as like it doesn't matter because he's fifth, not like

2923
02:11:11,359 --> 02:11:13,560
I be finishing fit where it's this really isn't going

2924
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:15,479
to impact it, like the like maybe if if it's

2925
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:17,640
in the top three, for instance, it's all like this

2926
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:20,119
could change things if if it's a really deep MVP

2927
02:11:20,279 --> 02:11:22,359
landscape or it's up for debate, But if you're throwing

2928
02:11:22,439 --> 02:11:25,159
him fifth, it's like, well, he's not going to win anyway.

2929
02:11:25,279 --> 02:11:28,399
Who am I actually impacting. That might be like the

2930
02:11:28,479 --> 02:11:29,880
strongest argument.

2931
02:11:31,159 --> 02:11:33,600
Speaker 2: Back in the Booker zone, where it's like we have

2932
02:11:33,720 --> 02:11:36,039
to put him here. He's not gonna win, but we

2933
02:11:36,199 --> 02:11:37,840
just got to put him here to just ignore, like

2934
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:40,039
as a let's keep a record of history to make

2935
02:11:40,039 --> 02:11:42,640
sure everybody realizes. But with him, I think the numbers

2936
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:44,279
are just going to be so extreme that it's like

2937
02:11:44,399 --> 02:11:47,880
something a little different than like the obligatory Tatum brunts

2938
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:50,359
and whatever v you know that level of m VP.

2939
02:11:51,640 --> 02:11:54,720
Speaker 1: We're on too. It's my turn again the Toronto Raptors,

2940
02:11:54,960 --> 02:11:57,199
so I have it won't be a long preamble, but

2941
02:11:57,279 --> 02:12:01,000
it deserves a preamble. Why it's hot anyway, Scottie Barnes

2942
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:04,560
will average twenty five points and eight assists per game

2943
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:06,880
this year, and now I'm going to tell you Grant

2944
02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:09,720
why that is hot. While this whoops, Man, I'm getting

2945
02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:11,720
really bad at the screen things. I apologize. Anyone who's

2946
02:12:11,720 --> 02:12:15,039
watching and having a seizure will seeing it. So twenty

2947
02:12:15,079 --> 02:12:17,880
five and eight, when you're eight before your twenty fifth

2948
02:12:17,920 --> 02:12:21,760
birthday is rarefied air. The list of players to do

2949
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:25,840
it is Luca has done it four times, Trey did

2950
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:29,279
it three times, and then Oscar Robertson, who I am,

2951
02:12:29,359 --> 02:12:32,840
by the way, doing shorts. Robertson did it twice? I

2952
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:35,840
call him Oscar Robinson or it sounds like I do

2953
02:12:35,960 --> 02:12:38,079
so many times, and I don't understand why I.

2954
02:12:38,039 --> 02:12:40,680
Speaker 2: Would correct you, But I think I have become immune

2955
02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:43,399
to it because you do it all the time, all

2956
02:12:43,439 --> 02:12:43,840
the time.

2957
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:46,439
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know who he is, which I

2958
02:12:46,520 --> 02:12:50,279
guess is fair. But I obviously know who Oscar Robertson is.

2959
02:12:50,640 --> 02:12:53,000
But my pronunciation is so bad. It's my nasally voice.

2960
02:12:53,039 --> 02:12:55,359
I'm really saying Robertson, but it sounds like Robinson, right,

2961
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:59,039
So you'd Scotty barn is going to average twenty five

2962
02:12:59,079 --> 02:13:02,640
and eight, which do so before your twenty fourth fourth birthday.

2963
02:13:02,960 --> 02:13:07,720
Only Luca Trey, Oscar Robertson, Tiny Archibald, and John Morant

2964
02:13:07,840 --> 02:13:08,199
have done.

2965
02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:13,640
Speaker 2: I like the approach because those are some names.

2966
02:13:16,359 --> 02:13:17,199
Speaker 1: I I'm worried.

2967
02:13:17,279 --> 02:13:20,520
Speaker 2: I feel like it might be it might be too hot,

2968
02:13:21,199 --> 02:13:25,319
only because like isn't quickly gonna have the ball, like uh,

2969
02:13:26,479 --> 02:13:29,239
I don't know. I'm I'm stuck between too hot and

2970
02:13:29,359 --> 02:13:31,920
like appropriately hot. It's not it's not an issue where

2971
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:34,279
I don't think it's not hot enough. If anything, it's

2972
02:13:34,319 --> 02:13:37,960
too hot, So what's your what's your just just he's

2973
02:13:38,039 --> 02:13:39,640
like he's just gonna be that much better and the

2974
02:13:39,680 --> 02:13:42,319
playmaking burden is huge, and that's that's how he does it.

2975
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:45,880
Speaker 1: That's how he does it. But okay, so Emanuel Quickly's

2976
02:13:45,880 --> 02:13:48,319
gonna have the ball? Who else is running the offense?

2977
02:13:49,039 --> 02:13:50,560
Speaker 2: Yaka Pearl at the elbow? Baby?

2978
02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:53,720
Speaker 1: All right? Yaka Pearl R J. Barrett. Maybe Bruce Brown

2979
02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:56,960
if he is healthy, But realistically, Bruce Brown probably gets

2980
02:13:56,960 --> 02:13:59,760
traded ats some appointment season if assuming he's healthy, you're

2981
02:13:59,800 --> 02:14:01,960
not want to run too much of your offense through

2982
02:14:02,000 --> 02:14:03,960
yaka Peertle. Do you even have the spacing to do that?

2983
02:14:04,520 --> 02:14:06,319
So I'm just looking at it from I think he's

2984
02:14:06,359 --> 02:14:07,840
good enough. I want to make it clear. I think

2985
02:14:07,880 --> 02:14:10,920
he improved enough last year basically every part of his game,

2986
02:14:11,640 --> 02:14:15,199
and I just think the use it like the opportunity.

2987
02:14:15,319 --> 02:14:18,079
I'll frame it as for him to because who's going

2988
02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:20,199
to be the better off ball option? So let's look

2989
02:14:20,199 --> 02:14:23,119
at their core lineups. A manual Quickly or Scotti Barnes.

2990
02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:24,680
I think you prefer to have a manual Quickly off

2991
02:14:24,720 --> 02:14:28,000
the ball, just because of his own shooting yep, So

2992
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:31,000
I think, I mean, I can't say it's not hot enough,

2993
02:14:31,399 --> 02:14:33,239
but I do think the opportunity is gonna be there

2994
02:14:33,319 --> 02:14:36,319
that because Scotty Barnes is so skilled, it'll be within reach.

2995
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:38,880
And it really comes down to I mean, to me,

2996
02:14:39,479 --> 02:14:41,359
what do you think is more likely that he averages

2997
02:14:41,399 --> 02:14:45,000
twenty five points through averages eight assists? Huh?

2998
02:14:46,359 --> 02:14:49,079
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's hard to get to, I feel

2999
02:14:49,119 --> 02:14:51,760
like for a non point guard, although he's kind of

3000
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:52,680
gonna be that.

3001
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:54,880
Speaker 1: He was at six point one last year. Yeah, he

3002
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:57,960
was at about twenty points and six assists, so that's

3003
02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:59,760
a huge He probably wins most I know, I picked

3004
02:14:59,840 --> 02:15:01,239
Jim and Sugs to win it, but if he's at

3005
02:15:01,239 --> 02:15:03,399
twenty five and eight, he probably wins most improved player does.

3006
02:15:03,479 --> 02:15:05,359
Speaker 2: And that'll be another one where it's like this guy

3007
02:15:05,439 --> 02:15:07,560
had it last year and just didn't play enough, so

3008
02:15:07,640 --> 02:15:09,000
we gotta give it to like you know what I mean,

3009
02:15:09,079 --> 02:15:11,760
Like there's gonna be a delayed MP thing. That's I

3010
02:15:12,479 --> 02:15:14,319
you're right on the border of too hot for me,

3011
02:15:14,399 --> 02:15:16,960
because that doesn't that's crazy twenty five and eight for

3012
02:15:17,039 --> 02:15:21,279
a forward unless you're lebron Is, which even like I mean, yeah,

3013
02:15:21,319 --> 02:15:24,119
he he struggles to do that like in his prime.

3014
02:15:24,199 --> 02:15:26,720
Speaker 1: That's just so many assists. That's a good one.

3015
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say that's not hot enough.

3016
02:15:28,680 --> 02:15:30,520
It's it's some degree of appropriately hot.

3017
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:32,920
Speaker 1: Well, you to answer the initial question is what would

3018
02:15:32,920 --> 02:15:35,319
you feels more likely hitting the twenty five or hitting

3019
02:15:35,359 --> 02:15:35,600
Oh I.

3020
02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:37,880
Speaker 2: Think I think he's more likely to get to get

3021
02:15:37,920 --> 02:15:40,319
twenty five, just because even though that's a bigger jump,

3022
02:15:40,399 --> 02:15:42,359
the eight is like, that's just hot.

3023
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:42,880
Speaker 1: I don't know.

3024
02:15:43,359 --> 02:15:45,359
Speaker 2: It's so dependent on other guys, and it's like if

3025
02:15:45,399 --> 02:15:47,079
one of your questions about this team is like, who

3026
02:15:47,159 --> 02:15:49,399
other than Grady Dick is going to make shots? Like,

3027
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:51,560
I don't know, some of those assists might be hard

3028
02:15:51,600 --> 02:15:54,680
to come by, So I think he, I guess twenty five.

3029
02:15:54,760 --> 02:15:56,199
I mean they're both gonna be tough to get to

3030
02:15:56,359 --> 02:15:58,640
obviously historically they're they're really hard.

3031
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:04,640
Speaker 1: That. I mean, that's to your Washington all right, Oh

3032
02:16:04,680 --> 02:16:06,880
you tah Jazz, I already skipp you out there.

3033
02:16:07,439 --> 02:16:09,000
Speaker 2: No no, no, well, because I don't even see your

3034
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:11,079
Washington one coming up, So you're gonna have to vamp

3035
02:16:11,119 --> 02:16:12,359
I get or freelance that one.

3036
02:16:12,720 --> 02:16:14,319
Speaker 1: Oh I already know it. I guess I just didn't

3037
02:16:14,319 --> 02:16:16,439
put it in our handy dandies pro Okay, well, it'll

3038
02:16:16,439 --> 02:16:17,279
be a mystery to me.

3039
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:19,319
Speaker 2: Uh I think the Jazz are gonna make a win

3040
02:16:19,439 --> 02:16:21,800
now trade that sends out at least three future First,

3041
02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:25,159
how is that gonna jive with Portland not finishing below them?

3042
02:16:25,239 --> 02:16:25,680
I don't know.

3043
02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:30,920
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. Uh. I waited funny that

3044
02:16:31,039 --> 02:16:33,200
the Jazz and the Blazers are both like in the

3045
02:16:33,319 --> 02:16:36,200
top ten of the West. It would be hysterical. I mean,

3046
02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:37,319
stranger things have happened.

3047
02:16:37,719 --> 02:16:40,600
Speaker 2: So this is another one where it's like, I don't

3048
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:42,920
think they should have the degree of confidence that they

3049
02:16:43,000 --> 02:16:46,959
have their guys at like Portland does, which even that's

3050
02:16:46,959 --> 02:16:49,360
a little iffy, certainly, not to the extent like, okay,

3051
02:16:49,399 --> 02:16:51,760
so you did a couple of years ago. But I

3052
02:16:51,879 --> 02:16:55,680
do think there's sort of a confluence of events where

3053
02:16:56,200 --> 02:16:58,959
the Jazz have a trillion picks. There just seem to

3054
02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:01,479
be a lot of guys I've got trades on like

3055
02:17:01,600 --> 02:17:03,840
trade requests on my mind, and so I'm thinking about

3056
02:17:03,879 --> 02:17:06,600
like veteran guys that might ask out, and there's kind

3057
02:17:06,639 --> 02:17:08,559
of feels like there's kind of a lot that could

3058
02:17:08,639 --> 02:17:12,000
plausibly have that, like Jimmy Butler or like obviously brandon

3059
02:17:12,159 --> 02:17:14,719
Ingram could be someone that is available, and it's just

3060
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:18,559
like going down the list, Like how much like Utah

3061
02:17:18,680 --> 02:17:21,879
clearly doesn't want to tank, they just sort of have

3062
02:17:22,040 --> 02:17:24,680
done it when they realized they needed to. And so

3063
02:17:25,879 --> 02:17:30,360
combining like their preferred way to go forward with Danny

3064
02:17:30,399 --> 02:17:33,760
Ainge's opportunism, with the glood of picks they have, with

3065
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:36,559
the possibility that they already have a bunch of young guys,

3066
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:39,879
it just seems like it's it's maybe this is why

3067
02:17:39,920 --> 02:17:42,559
it's a hot take, is it's like somewhere around a

3068
02:17:42,639 --> 02:17:45,840
coin flip for them that they just suck on purpose,

3069
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:47,879
which they have not wanted to do, or they just

3070
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,760
say like fuck it, let's go get somebody at good

3071
02:17:50,879 --> 02:17:53,280
value that's worth three of these future first because we

3072
02:17:53,360 --> 02:17:55,799
got a million of them. And by the way, since

3073
02:17:55,840 --> 02:17:57,879
the ones coming from Cleveland and Minnesota are going to

3074
02:17:57,879 --> 02:17:59,840
be in the twenties, like who cares anyway, So I

3075
02:18:00,120 --> 02:18:01,920
just think, I don't know if this is one where

3076
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:05,520
it's like do I believe it? Maybe you've just you

3077
02:18:05,559 --> 02:18:05,879
know what you.

3078
02:18:05,959 --> 02:18:09,639
Speaker 1: Kind of just described. They're the brandon Ingram team.

3079
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:13,360
Speaker 2: How well, maybe that's I mean, I I think like

3080
02:18:14,239 --> 02:18:16,760
there will come a point where somebody's gonna say, like

3081
02:18:16,879 --> 02:18:20,639
we've okay, this guy's actually good, like we should get

3082
02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:22,879
him and we can afford to pay him because we

3083
02:18:22,959 --> 02:18:25,639
have like one other big contract on the books and

3084
02:18:25,879 --> 02:18:27,680
it's a is it a by low if you get

3085
02:18:27,719 --> 02:18:30,360
brandon Ingram for like two of those first, I'm saying three,

3086
02:18:30,680 --> 02:18:32,600
so I'm obviously aiming a little higher. I don't think

3087
02:18:32,600 --> 02:18:34,040
you give up three first for Ingram.

3088
02:18:34,319 --> 02:18:36,600
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. I forgot about the three first out.

3089
02:18:36,680 --> 02:18:38,559
Three first is a lot. That's why it's hot. It's

3090
02:18:38,639 --> 02:18:41,760
just like, oh my god or something right? That's that

3091
02:18:41,799 --> 02:18:42,440
would be a name?

3092
02:18:42,959 --> 02:18:44,479
Speaker 2: Uh Kawhi Leonard? Why not?

3093
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't know you saw it? You know what the

3094
02:18:46,319 --> 02:18:51,159
name would be? Who? Lamello? LaMelo? Sure?

3095
02:18:51,559 --> 02:18:53,399
Speaker 2: Or if it's like what if you younger, what if

3096
02:18:53,440 --> 02:18:56,079
you target a guy that's like the guys that haven't

3097
02:18:56,120 --> 02:18:58,440
signed extensions that like may or may not, like a

3098
02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:00,639
you're not getting. I don't think it's three first to

3099
02:19:00,680 --> 02:19:03,280
get like Jonathan Kaminga or something like that. But like

3100
02:19:03,399 --> 02:19:05,360
you've got all this, Ammo, you can go target all

3101
02:19:05,360 --> 02:19:07,639
these unextended guys and say like, well, Pam.

3102
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:10,719
Speaker 1: Wait, I can't suggest players who cost less than three

3103
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:14,920
first round picks, but you can. Yeah, So I think this,

3104
02:19:15,399 --> 02:19:17,559
I think this leans towards too hot. I don't think

3105
02:19:17,559 --> 02:19:20,639
the Jazz are gonna let themselves like full right, just

3106
02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:22,799
like it's hard for me to envision effort what we've

3107
02:19:22,799 --> 02:19:25,319
seen at the past two trade deadlines. Your point though,

3108
02:19:25,319 --> 02:19:28,200
about them having so many picks, I would say, though,

3109
02:19:29,079 --> 02:19:31,159
they would have to be closer to Portland situation in

3110
02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:32,959
the sense that and this is the one point I

3111
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:35,360
disagree with you on where you kind of said like

3112
02:19:35,440 --> 02:19:37,520
they have a bunch of young guys already in place.

3113
02:19:37,879 --> 02:19:39,399
I think in Portland you can make the case that

3114
02:19:39,520 --> 02:19:42,040
there's two to maybe three, depending on how you feel

3115
02:19:42,040 --> 02:19:44,879
about kling Kong. Shout out to our discord for letting

3116
02:19:44,879 --> 02:19:48,079
me know that's his nickname. By the way, great the Jazz.

3117
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:50,719
I don't think you can point to anybody and say that, dude,

3118
02:19:50,799 --> 02:19:53,040
is it among the young guys, No, I don't.

3119
02:19:53,079 --> 02:19:55,200
Speaker 2: I don't think they're Yeah. I don't think that they're

3120
02:19:55,200 --> 02:19:58,120
at the level of Portland where you could like, like

3121
02:19:58,280 --> 02:20:01,200
do you nobody should be like, yeah, Keante, George has

3122
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:04,280
it like he's definitely a cornerstone. It's like maybe or

3123
02:20:04,559 --> 02:20:07,639
Taylor Hendrix or whoever you want to walk. Kesler clearly

3124
02:20:07,719 --> 02:20:08,879
is not someone's the most.

3125
02:20:08,799 --> 02:20:11,879
Speaker 1: Likely to become it. It's probably just Cody Williams. By

3126
02:20:11,959 --> 02:20:13,239
virtue of mystery box status.

3127
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:15,559
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the mystery box is so tempting. Like the

3128
02:20:15,639 --> 02:20:17,520
less you know about a prospect, the more likely you

3129
02:20:17,559 --> 02:20:19,440
are to say, like he has that's crazy.

3130
02:20:20,079 --> 02:20:23,440
Speaker 1: Rank these three. August four ranked these four prospects in

3131
02:20:23,559 --> 02:20:26,360
terms of long term value or just ceiling. Can't they?

3132
02:20:26,399 --> 02:20:32,399
Speaker 2: George Walker, Kessler, Taylor Hendrix, Cody Williams. I know you

3133
02:20:32,559 --> 02:20:34,559
want me to say Cody Williams, and I know you'll

3134
02:20:34,639 --> 02:20:38,079
say Cody Williams. So I actually think if it's just long,

3135
02:20:38,159 --> 02:20:40,479
are we talking pure upside because I think for me

3136
02:20:40,639 --> 02:20:42,520
it might be Hendricks just as a.

3137
02:20:42,559 --> 02:20:44,639
Speaker 1: Pure the other correct answer, So nice job.

3138
02:20:44,799 --> 02:20:47,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there were two awesome and then it's

3139
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:51,440
probably I guess I go Williams second, George third, and

3140
02:20:51,479 --> 02:20:54,280
then Kessler. Like I think Kesler has the highest floor

3141
02:20:54,520 --> 02:20:56,959
just because we know he can be awesome at like

3142
02:20:57,159 --> 02:20:59,600
a niche one is rim protection a niche thing I

3143
02:20:59,639 --> 02:21:01,280
don't know that that's probably selling it short. But like

3144
02:21:01,680 --> 02:21:03,280
he's not someone that's going to be like a multi

3145
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:05,159
time All Star, but I think he could just be

3146
02:21:05,239 --> 02:21:06,879
a starter for ten years potentially.

3147
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably it's either appropriately hot or to too hot.

3148
02:21:12,319 --> 02:21:14,879
It's definitely you're not in danger of it not being

3149
02:21:14,920 --> 02:21:15,319
hot enough.

3150
02:21:15,360 --> 02:21:18,239
Speaker 2: It's too hot, I'll say so. Like, I don't know

3151
02:21:18,280 --> 02:21:20,399
if I believe it. But it's like, I don't know.

3152
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:22,760
The Jazz I keep coming back to like they clearly

3153
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:25,319
don't want to just suck on purpose until they have to,

3154
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:29,000
Like they keep trying to be okay, I don't know, I.

3155
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:30,920
Speaker 1: Mean the coaching staff and the player. Sure. I think

3156
02:21:30,959 --> 02:21:33,840
the front office is thought that they were bad enough

3157
02:21:33,879 --> 02:21:35,319
and right maybe that's the issue.

3158
02:21:35,440 --> 02:21:38,959
Speaker 2: They like just thought they misjudged how bad they might be.

3159
02:21:39,600 --> 02:21:42,799
Speaker 1: Very very quickly. Here are a couple list of things

3160
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:45,879
that are more likely to happen than the Jazz making

3161
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:50,159
a win now trade are you ready? Yes? Will Hardy,

3162
02:21:50,200 --> 02:21:52,520
their head coach, will receive a twenty game suspension without

3163
02:21:52,559 --> 02:21:57,399
pay for conduct conduct not detrimental enough to the team. Yeah,

3164
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:02,200
Drew Eubanks will start a point h Cody Williams will

3165
02:22:02,200 --> 02:22:04,479
miss six to eight weeks after burning the roof of

3166
02:22:04,559 --> 02:22:05,879
his mouth while eating ice cream.

3167
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:08,159
Speaker 2: Do you have these like teed up you?

3168
02:22:08,360 --> 02:22:09,760
Speaker 1: I came up with a list for why I hate

3169
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:13,280
your team. This one's too this one's too convoluted. I'mnna

3170
02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:14,360
read it anyway. I wont read. This will be the

3171
02:22:14,399 --> 02:22:17,200
last one. I had a bunch injury reports before games

3172
02:22:17,239 --> 02:22:20,079
will start to include ailments such as tackle bell indigestion,

3173
02:22:20,760 --> 02:22:25,639
Bruce fingernail, morning, pair of lost air pods and DNS

3174
02:22:26,200 --> 02:22:30,399
borrowed DeAndre Ayton's gravel and lego, stuffed mastress, DNS, Stanford

3175
02:22:30,440 --> 02:22:31,000
did not sleep.

3176
02:22:31,280 --> 02:22:34,120
Speaker 2: You're working way too hard on a thirty slider if

3177
02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:35,479
that's if that's what those are from.

3178
02:22:36,399 --> 02:22:40,079
Speaker 1: Let's get to the Washington Wizards. Here is this hot

3179
02:22:40,159 --> 02:22:41,920
I honestly want to know what you're gonna say about this.

3180
02:22:42,239 --> 02:22:44,639
The Washington Wizards are gonna have the worst defensive rating

3181
02:22:44,680 --> 02:22:45,559
an NBA history.

3182
02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:51,680
Speaker 2: Oh I love an NBA history hot take. Okay, uh man,

3183
02:22:51,959 --> 02:22:53,719
it's gonna be so hard for them to be good.

3184
02:22:54,360 --> 02:22:54,559
Speaker 1: Uh.

3185
02:22:57,280 --> 02:22:59,879
Speaker 2: I think that's now that's a hot take because anytime

3186
02:23:00,040 --> 02:23:01,920
your all time in it, it's a hot take. But

3187
02:23:02,280 --> 02:23:05,600
I don't think it's too hot one because you're probably

3188
02:23:05,639 --> 02:23:07,639
given a lot of minutes in the middle of Alex Star,

3189
02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:11,559
probably playing Jordan Poole. Kyle Kuzma is a passable defender,

3190
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:14,719
You're probably trading him. You might play Bub Carrington or

3191
02:23:14,760 --> 02:23:17,920
Rookie a lot. I mean, like, I guess maybe the

3192
02:23:17,959 --> 02:23:20,079
other way to get there is just like who on

3193
02:23:20,200 --> 02:23:23,000
this team is you traded Denny Avdia, Like, who's gonna

3194
02:23:23,000 --> 02:23:25,760
be a plus defender or even an average defender in

3195
02:23:25,840 --> 02:23:28,040
his position? Cool Bally, I feel like he's just gonna

3196
02:23:28,040 --> 02:23:28,879
make a bunch of mistakes.

3197
02:23:28,920 --> 02:23:32,000
Speaker 1: Still, I don't know that. Here's here's the thing. So

3198
02:23:32,120 --> 02:23:34,559
last year, because this is just that, and you could

3199
02:23:34,639 --> 02:23:38,200
do it in comparison to the like the league average

3200
02:23:38,239 --> 02:23:41,120
in that year. But last year, Grant, we had the

3201
02:23:41,399 --> 02:23:45,079
five worst so it means highest defensive ratings in NBA

3202
02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:49,399
history according to Basketball Reference, the Jazz, the Spurs, oh no,

3203
02:23:49,479 --> 02:23:52,399
I'm sorry, four the Spurs from twenty twenty twenty twenty

3204
02:23:52,399 --> 02:23:54,719
three were on there. But the Jazz of last year,

3205
02:23:55,159 --> 02:23:57,879
the Hornets of last year, the Wizards of last year,

3206
02:23:58,040 --> 02:24:01,200
and the Atlanta Hawks of last year had four of

3207
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:05,479
the five worst defensive ratings. On record at Basketball Reference,

3208
02:24:05,719 --> 02:24:07,680
and so the worst is from the Jazz of last

3209
02:24:07,719 --> 02:24:10,239
year won twenty point four. And I just feel like

3210
02:24:10,280 --> 02:24:13,399
the way offense is gone, and you traded Denny Avdia,

3211
02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:17,200
so you've gotten worse defensively to me unless you think

3212
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:18,600
Star is gonna be good right out of the gate.

3213
02:24:18,639 --> 02:24:19,920
And it doesn't even seem like they want to play

3214
02:24:19,959 --> 02:24:21,680
him as a big man, like the primary big right

3215
02:24:21,719 --> 02:24:24,319
out of the gate. So I almost wonder if this

3216
02:24:24,440 --> 02:24:29,680
isn't hot enough. But yeah, it's hot.

3217
02:24:29,760 --> 02:24:31,479
Speaker 2: I could see how you can get there, though not

3218
02:24:31,799 --> 02:24:33,319
too hot for me. I mean, the Wizards are gonna

3219
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:36,200
be the worst at something, just they're they're gonna try.

3220
02:24:36,520 --> 02:24:38,799
Speaker 1: So they've been the team that they're making sure. They're

3221
02:24:38,799 --> 02:24:41,040
gonna make sure you know them in the nets. I

3222
02:24:41,040 --> 02:24:43,840
think I'm most confident in, Oh, we know that they're

3223
02:24:43,879 --> 02:24:45,680
not gonna be if they're too good out of the gate,

3224
02:24:45,719 --> 02:24:48,280
they're gonna do something to make sure that that doesn't stick. Yeah,

3225
02:24:48,360 --> 02:24:48,959
I agree with that.

3226
02:24:49,639 --> 02:24:52,000
Speaker 2: All right, you want to get to the gets.

3227
02:24:55,440 --> 02:24:57,879
Speaker 1: All right, we've wrapped up our hot takes. Let's get

3228
02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:01,600
to some listener slash subscriber hot takes that were sent

3229
02:25:01,680 --> 02:25:03,799
to us I picked. There's like fourteen or fifteen in

3230
02:25:03,879 --> 02:25:06,239
here of the ones that I thought did not overlap

3231
02:25:06,360 --> 02:25:08,440
too much with what we were talking about. And then

3232
02:25:08,440 --> 02:25:10,280
there was a lot of overlap anyone who sent in.

3233
02:25:10,559 --> 02:25:12,399
We had so many for the Spurs and the Grizzlies

3234
02:25:12,440 --> 02:25:14,479
and the Thunder. For some reason, I found that the

3235
02:25:14,559 --> 02:25:16,520
Thunder I got, and I guess the Spurs just being

3236
02:25:16,559 --> 02:25:18,959
when I mean the Grizzlies were were interesting. Let's get

3237
02:25:19,000 --> 02:25:23,760
to the first one. So first up we have, as

3238
02:25:23,840 --> 02:25:27,000
it comes on the screen, this is from the Cultcha Kolev.

3239
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:30,840
The Spurs will finish ahead of the Clippers. I'm assuming

3240
02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:33,840
they mean in the regular season standings. Grant hot or not.

3241
02:25:35,000 --> 02:25:40,399
Speaker 2: Uh, it's a little hot, but I mean you can

3242
02:25:40,479 --> 02:25:42,840
see it right like it just the Clippers fall apart,

3243
02:25:42,879 --> 02:25:45,760
Kawhi gets hurt, James Harden demands to be traded. Like

3244
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:46,840
there's kind of the.

3245
02:25:46,920 --> 02:25:49,520
Speaker 1: Logic you used a little bit's different to get there.

3246
02:25:49,559 --> 02:25:51,879
But when you were talking about the Jazz being better

3247
02:25:51,959 --> 02:25:52,879
than three teams.

3248
02:25:52,639 --> 02:25:55,440
Speaker 2: In the West, mm hmmm, yeah, I mean it's totally

3249
02:25:55,520 --> 02:25:58,000
plausible the Clippers are all if you're picking it like

3250
02:25:58,159 --> 02:26:00,559
a playoff team from last year to fall apart. Everyone's

3251
02:26:00,600 --> 02:26:03,680
picking the Clippers, right, I'm trying.

3252
02:26:03,479 --> 02:26:07,440
Speaker 1: To think, Yeah, are we missing somebody? No, Yeah, I

3253
02:26:07,639 --> 02:26:09,600
think that's that's probably I would say it's the appropriate

3254
02:26:09,639 --> 02:26:14,559
amount of hot, right, Yeah. Next up we have well,

3255
02:26:14,600 --> 02:26:16,120
this is a this is a it's a two parter,

3256
02:26:16,520 --> 02:26:19,239
another Spurs one. The San Antonio Spurs will win forty

3257
02:26:19,319 --> 02:26:21,239
five plus games and make the play in. This comes

3258
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:24,360
from be Rich in Discord and the Spurs will make

3259
02:26:24,399 --> 02:26:27,520
the playoffs. On Twitter, faux underscores from low.

3260
02:26:29,239 --> 02:26:31,239
Speaker 2: I mean it's hot just because forty five is a

3261
02:26:31,399 --> 02:26:35,280
crazy jump from what do they win twenty two last year?

3262
02:26:35,319 --> 02:26:38,520
I think so, I mean that almost never happens. Houston

3263
02:26:38,559 --> 02:26:42,639
improved by like nineteen and that was ridiculous. But like,

3264
02:26:42,840 --> 02:26:45,440
can you rule anything out because of winmbin Yama, Like

3265
02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:48,120
and I just I don't know, it's it's not it's hot,

3266
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:51,239
but it's not, like again, not unthinkable.

3267
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:54,399
Speaker 1: I think if you stop, if I so, be Rich,

3268
02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:56,760
stop that just make the play in rather than including

3269
02:26:56,799 --> 02:27:00,680
the forty five plus games that I think this scues

3270
02:27:00,680 --> 02:27:02,719
toward the forty five plus to me, skews toward two,

3271
02:27:02,840 --> 02:27:04,520
Like where are those wins coming from? In the West?

3272
02:27:04,600 --> 02:27:07,840
You just that Wemby's one of the five best basketball

3273
02:27:07,879 --> 02:27:11,399
players of all time. I don't know. Ron didn't Lebron

3274
02:27:11,479 --> 02:27:13,879
win like forty six games in his second season with

3275
02:27:13,959 --> 02:27:16,680
the Calves in the East like a Wemby winning. I

3276
02:27:16,719 --> 02:27:18,479
would have to see what the Cleveland's record was in

3277
02:27:18,520 --> 02:27:21,840
two thousand and four. But that's just that's a really heavy.

3278
02:27:21,639 --> 02:27:23,000
Speaker 2: Lift, super heavy.

3279
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:25,799
Speaker 1: That's why it's a hot. Take the Spurs making the

3280
02:27:25,879 --> 02:27:28,959
play in or making the playoffs by virtue of the

3281
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:30,959
play and that's not The Caps won forty two games

3282
02:27:31,000 --> 02:27:34,239
with Lebron as a sophomore. Yeah, I mean so, I

3283
02:27:34,280 --> 02:27:36,719
don't know. Again, I think it's hot. I think these

3284
02:27:36,760 --> 02:27:40,479
are too hot for me a little bit. Next up,

3285
02:27:40,520 --> 02:27:42,600
I think we're entering our Grizzlies phase of the podcast.

3286
02:27:42,600 --> 02:27:46,920
Oh no, still Spurs. Oh, this one's hot. I coach

3287
02:27:47,040 --> 02:27:49,639
Pop retires from coaching by the end of the season.

3288
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:50,840
This comes from mcguill.

3289
02:27:52,319 --> 02:27:53,040
Speaker 2: That's too hot.

3290
02:27:53,239 --> 02:27:55,479
Speaker 1: What's what's he want out? I mean, why is he

3291
02:27:55,559 --> 02:27:56,639
want out with you?

3292
02:27:56,760 --> 02:27:59,399
Speaker 2: We're not on the ground floor, but we're just heading

3293
02:27:59,479 --> 02:28:01,920
up the elevator with Wembyama, I don't know, I don't

3294
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:03,079
know what would happen even.

3295
02:28:02,959 --> 02:28:06,760
Speaker 1: One hundred years old, Yet why would he retire? Well,

3296
02:28:06,879 --> 02:28:09,520
the other thing is I think it's hot and too hot,

3297
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:12,440
which is like, that's the point of this exercise. Like

3298
02:28:12,559 --> 02:28:15,319
he really seems over the past few years that he

3299
02:28:15,440 --> 02:28:20,120
seems reinvigorated, like he seems to enjoy the of it all. No,

3300
02:28:20,360 --> 02:28:22,280
I said, the past few years they've had Wemby for

3301
02:28:22,360 --> 02:28:25,200
a second, like he'vigorated.

3302
02:28:24,239 --> 02:28:26,479
Speaker 2: By Blake Wesley. That's how you know you're into it.

3303
02:28:27,120 --> 02:28:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean he plays like human caffeine. So I could

3304
02:28:29,239 --> 02:28:32,399
see that the Rockets will get a top six seed

3305
02:28:32,440 --> 02:28:37,399
in the West. This West, this comes from cosmic raccoon. Uh,

3306
02:28:37,879 --> 02:28:40,440
that's not hot enough, I don't think, do you? You

3307
02:28:41,159 --> 02:28:43,920
already picked Reed Shepherd to be unanimous Rookie of the Year.

3308
02:28:44,719 --> 02:28:47,840
I mean, well, I mean go through the teams though,

3309
02:28:47,920 --> 02:28:50,600
So who are your bona fide playoff teams in the West.

3310
02:28:50,600 --> 02:28:54,239
You have Denver, Minnesota, like you, you would be shocked

3311
02:28:54,280 --> 02:28:57,319
if they fell out of the top six, is my point? Denver, Minnesota,

3312
02:28:57,879 --> 02:29:02,719
Oklahoma City, Dallas to be in there, right, Yes, then

3313
02:29:02,799 --> 02:29:06,440
what I think people would say Memphis, But just the

3314
02:29:06,559 --> 02:29:08,239
injury risk alone there, I.

3315
02:29:08,319 --> 02:29:12,280
Speaker 2: Think you got you got like Memphis, Houston. And then

3316
02:29:12,319 --> 02:29:14,959
are we already in like the Lakers, Kings, Warriors tier

3317
02:29:15,159 --> 02:29:18,079
of the Suns the Son Yeah, right, okay, the Sun's

3318
02:29:18,120 --> 02:29:20,479
so the Suns is five. I would assume the Suns

3319
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:22,719
finish ahead of the Rockets. But then it's just like

3320
02:29:23,719 --> 02:29:25,399
it I get, I don't know, is it hot if

3321
02:29:25,440 --> 02:29:27,719
it's like they're in the mix with like five other

3322
02:29:27,799 --> 02:29:31,319
teams for the sixth spot. Maybe, but like, like, why

3323
02:29:31,399 --> 02:29:33,280
are the Rockets gonna be worse? They were a five

3324
02:29:33,360 --> 02:29:34,360
hundred team last year?

3325
02:29:34,639 --> 02:29:36,479
Speaker 1: Like what you need to be six?

3326
02:29:36,719 --> 02:29:38,520
Speaker 2: Well, to be six you got to probably get in

3327
02:29:38,559 --> 02:29:40,879
the high forties minimum, right, just based on the last

3328
02:29:40,879 --> 02:29:41,479
few seasons.

3329
02:29:42,079 --> 02:29:45,479
Speaker 1: Sixth was forty nine by the Sun last year. So

3330
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:47,479
we know we think the Clippers will fall out, so

3331
02:29:47,559 --> 02:29:50,440
there's a spot open. But you're saying, if I think

3332
02:29:50,520 --> 02:29:52,120
all our five teams are right, maybe they'll be a

3333
02:29:52,159 --> 02:29:54,600
curve ball. You're saying the Rockets will be better than

3334
02:29:54,840 --> 02:29:57,680
all of these teams, the Lakers, the Pelicans, the Kings,

3335
02:29:57,760 --> 02:30:00,319
the Warriors, and the Grizzlies. And then if you want

3336
02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:01,879
to throw the Spurs in there too, since they keep

3337
02:30:01,959 --> 02:30:04,719
coming up, I think I think that's the appropriate amount

3338
02:30:04,760 --> 02:30:07,120
of hot because it's hot, But it's like, you're not

3339
02:30:07,200 --> 02:30:09,520
prepared to guarantee any of those other teams will be

3340
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:12,639
better than Houston? Are you maybe Sacramento?

3341
02:30:12,799 --> 02:30:15,399
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll back off a little bit. It's hot, but

3342
02:30:15,520 --> 02:30:18,239
it's like pretty low on the Scoville, Like if it's

3343
02:30:18,319 --> 02:30:20,600
like hot ones or whatever, this is like the third

3344
02:30:20,719 --> 02:30:23,360
or fourth wing. I mean, we're not like nobody's nobody's

3345
02:30:23,440 --> 02:30:24,200
falling apart here.

3346
02:30:24,799 --> 02:30:26,639
Speaker 1: I like that one. I think it's the appropriate amount

3347
02:30:26,639 --> 02:30:31,079
of hot. Okay, the New York Knicks will win the

3348
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:35,559
twenty twenty five NBA Championship from Andrew Abraham Grant. Is

3349
02:30:35,639 --> 02:30:37,440
that hot or not? I don't think that's hot enough.

3350
02:30:37,719 --> 02:30:40,000
Speaker 2: What they got the like second or third best odds

3351
02:30:40,159 --> 02:30:42,840
right now? Don't they postcat trade? So like, I mean

3352
02:30:43,319 --> 02:30:45,319
it's just I mean, if you frame it that way,

3353
02:30:45,360 --> 02:30:47,200
then it's not. But it's like, so they're better than

3354
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:50,200
the Celtics and the thunder that's and they probably have

3355
02:30:50,280 --> 02:30:51,520
to beat both of those teams.

3356
02:30:51,719 --> 02:30:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they might have to be both of them. Yeah,

3357
02:30:54,000 --> 02:30:56,959
it's hot, it's hot. It's the appropriate amount of hot, right,

3358
02:30:57,000 --> 02:30:59,159
because do you view them as a title contender or not?

3359
02:30:59,479 --> 02:31:01,280
That's what this comes down to. I mean I do.

3360
02:31:01,559 --> 02:31:04,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're not favorites, but they're contenders.

3361
02:31:04,440 --> 02:31:07,559
Speaker 1: You know they're I will say, I think the teams,

3362
02:31:07,799 --> 02:31:10,760
if you were to make your championship pick rankings of

3363
02:31:10,920 --> 02:31:13,079
like who's going to be the most frequent championship pick,

3364
02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:18,479
I think Okac gets more, Boston gets more. I'd probably

3365
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:21,360
say Denver would still get more. They're in iffy territory. Now,

3366
02:31:21,959 --> 02:31:24,079
what about like the Timberwolves in Dallas.

3367
02:31:25,280 --> 02:31:28,520
Speaker 2: So just because I don't think it's I still don't

3368
02:31:28,559 --> 02:31:32,399
think it's outdated to say, like there's just more really

3369
02:31:32,600 --> 02:31:35,159
good title contenders in the West than the East. And

3370
02:31:35,280 --> 02:31:37,719
so like if you frame it around like well, if

3371
02:31:37,719 --> 02:31:41,520
you get to the finals by definition, like that's your

3372
02:31:41,639 --> 02:31:43,799
chances are better and you gotta beat Boston, you gotta

3373
02:31:43,799 --> 02:31:45,399
be phil like it's not gonna be easy. But like

3374
02:31:45,799 --> 02:31:47,360
I think it's still just easier to get to the

3375
02:31:47,440 --> 02:31:49,959
finals in the East than the West. So I mean

3376
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:52,200
it's a hot take, but like it's not. I don't know,

3377
02:31:52,440 --> 02:31:55,120
I think the Knicks are going to be Like if

3378
02:31:55,120 --> 02:31:56,840
the Knicks are worse than third in the East, like

3379
02:31:56,959 --> 02:31:59,680
something like oh my god, what happened, right they I

3380
02:31:59,760 --> 02:32:00,319
think at.

3381
02:32:00,200 --> 02:32:02,559
Speaker 1: This point they'll probably be the second most popular title

3382
02:32:02,639 --> 02:32:05,319
pick in the East. But it's weird because I agree

3383
02:32:05,319 --> 02:32:07,520
with everything you said, but like I think that there

3384
02:32:07,559 --> 02:32:09,760
are more teams in the West that people would pick

3385
02:32:09,799 --> 02:32:11,879
to win the title if they're making like I just yeah,

3386
02:32:11,879 --> 02:32:15,040
looking at Dallas or I would say, come up more frequently,

3387
02:32:15,239 --> 02:32:19,319
even with the OKC of it all there. Yeah, Next

3388
02:32:19,440 --> 02:32:23,520
up we have Ja Morant wins MVP and grizz win

3389
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:26,920
their first championship at Daniel Sage Poetry.

3390
02:32:28,239 --> 02:32:31,639
Speaker 2: This is a hot take, first of all, because I

3391
02:32:31,959 --> 02:32:35,200
said Jared Jackson was going to be higher an MVP

3392
02:32:35,360 --> 02:32:36,840
than Josh, So I have to stay consistent.

3393
02:32:36,959 --> 02:32:38,760
Speaker 1: No, I mean I wish.

3394
02:32:39,399 --> 02:32:41,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how i'd feel if not for the

3395
02:32:41,840 --> 02:32:43,920
injuries that have already accumulated for them. But I was

3396
02:32:43,959 --> 02:32:45,879
ready to just go all in. I still kind of

3397
02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:49,479
am on the Grizzlies just being awesome. We just talked

3398
02:32:49,479 --> 02:32:50,799
about how many good teams.

3399
02:32:50,600 --> 02:32:51,399
Speaker 1: There are in the West.

3400
02:32:51,479 --> 02:32:53,520
Speaker 2: Though, Like that's it's hot. It's real hot.

3401
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:56,000
Speaker 1: I might be too hot. I would say it's closer

3402
02:32:56,000 --> 02:32:58,680
to too hot than appropriately hot, but it's appropriately hot

3403
02:32:58,799 --> 02:33:00,399
for this, Like if you want it to be hot take.

3404
02:33:00,479 --> 02:33:03,920
This is a hot take. Yeah yeah, I mean Job

3405
02:33:04,120 --> 02:33:06,200
like I mean, I guess it's they're kind of intertwined.

3406
02:33:06,200 --> 02:33:09,040
If he's winning MVP, it means that the Grizzlies might.

3407
02:33:09,159 --> 02:33:12,440
But yeah, good, they would be one of the more

3408
02:33:12,479 --> 02:33:14,079
surprising teams to me to win it. I guess I

3409
02:33:14,159 --> 02:33:17,760
just don't the snake bitten aspect of their roster. Yeah well,

3410
02:33:18,200 --> 02:33:20,239
this is like the counter to it though, so grant,

3411
02:33:20,280 --> 02:33:22,280
sit back, grab a couple of coffee. This is from Allen.

3412
02:33:22,879 --> 02:33:27,799
Memphis is actually overrated, despite every NBA podcast saying everyone

3413
02:33:27,879 --> 02:33:31,239
is sleeping on them. Everyone is penciling in Eadie to

3414
02:33:31,319 --> 02:33:33,280
be good right off the bat. On top of just

3415
02:33:33,360 --> 02:33:35,840
assuming that the incredibly small stretch of games that Job

3416
02:33:35,879 --> 02:33:39,559
played are just replicable across the entire season, a team

3417
02:33:39,639 --> 02:33:42,479
like the Wolves has already proven they have leap frog

3418
02:33:42,600 --> 02:33:44,760
with the Grizzlies. To me, not to say Memphis isn't

3419
02:33:44,760 --> 02:33:47,120
going to be good, but they are getting glazed to

3420
02:33:47,200 --> 02:33:50,440
a ridiculous degree currently Again, because I like that in

3421
02:33:50,600 --> 02:33:54,799
detail stuff. Here here's my thing. Despite I don't I

3422
02:33:54,840 --> 02:33:57,559
don't know if this is hot enough, because it's are

3423
02:33:57,639 --> 02:34:01,399
people just assuming I I guess I haven't seen much

3424
02:34:01,440 --> 02:34:04,399
of everyone's talked about oh or people forgetting about Memphis.

3425
02:34:04,479 --> 02:34:07,319
But everyone also seems to me hesitant to be like

3426
02:34:07,479 --> 02:34:09,680
Memphis is going to be really good because of everything

3427
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:11,680
that was just outlaid. Yeah. I mean for me, it's

3428
02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:14,719
less about can ja be good across at large sample

3429
02:34:14,760 --> 02:34:17,520
size more so of can he stay healthy and available

3430
02:34:17,959 --> 02:34:20,760
across that the any of it all is fascinating though,

3431
02:34:20,920 --> 02:34:23,440
because I do like for all of what he does

3432
02:34:23,520 --> 02:34:25,840
really well, and he could be everything Memphis Grizzly, the

3433
02:34:25,879 --> 02:34:28,639
Memphis Grizzies need next to Jared Jackson Junior. He is

3434
02:34:28,719 --> 02:34:30,920
still a rookie. We did also just talk about how

3435
02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:35,079
rookies it feels like anecdotally they are better defensively like

3436
02:34:35,159 --> 02:34:37,360
some of the higher end ones. So I don't know where,

3437
02:34:37,520 --> 02:34:40,120
but that's a fit. Like we're just penciling in Eatie

3438
02:34:40,120 --> 02:34:41,879
as Alan says, like he's gonna play a huge role.

3439
02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:43,879
Are we sure it's gonna be that he's gonna make

3440
02:34:43,879 --> 02:34:46,239
a positive impact while doing so? Yeah, I mean, like

3441
02:34:46,319 --> 02:34:47,360
show me the lie here.

3442
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:50,079
Speaker 2: This is this is like too, this is too sober

3443
02:34:50,159 --> 02:34:52,239
and well reasoned of an opinion to be a hot

3444
02:34:52,319 --> 02:34:54,879
take like this is just like, yeah, you're probably right. Yeah,

3445
02:34:54,920 --> 02:34:58,159
God damn it, Alan Alan too good of a too

3446
02:34:58,200 --> 02:34:59,959
good of an argument, so it can't be a hot take.

3447
02:35:01,040 --> 02:35:03,399
Speaker 1: Next up, we that was such a good one. Well,

3448
02:35:03,440 --> 02:35:05,680
that was too good a one with two? Next up

3449
02:35:06,120 --> 02:35:09,159
for Maddy l Lebron James and Anthony Davis will not

3450
02:35:09,319 --> 02:35:11,600
meet the sixty five minimum games played and will not

3451
02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:14,239
be eligible for end of season awards, therefore blowing up

3452
02:35:14,280 --> 02:35:15,079
the Lakers season.

3453
02:35:16,319 --> 02:35:19,239
Speaker 2: Again. This should be the expectation, probably, Like if you

3454
02:35:19,319 --> 02:35:21,280
had to bet on it, you wouldn't bet on either

3455
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:23,559
of them playing more than sixty five games? Would I wouldn't,

3456
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:23,840
would you?

3457
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:27,319
Speaker 1: Well, I know that we've had available villa excuse me,

3458
02:35:27,440 --> 02:35:30,479
availability issues with both. How often do both of them

3459
02:35:30,559 --> 02:35:33,239
not appear in sixty five games? Though? It's basically I

3460
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:35,959
guess just that's a question for Lebron just because like

3461
02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:38,200
Anthony Davis, it's we'll just pick a year and is

3462
02:35:38,239 --> 02:35:42,600
he there? So yeah, in two twenty twenty three, Lebron

3463
02:35:42,760 --> 02:35:45,600
played in fifty five games. How many did Anthony Davis

3464
02:35:45,639 --> 02:35:48,120
play in that year? I'm assuming it was probably less.

3465
02:35:48,159 --> 02:35:51,799
So I actually think that this might be the appropriate

3466
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:54,079
amount of hot. We're just gonna assume that both of

3467
02:35:54,159 --> 02:35:55,479
these guys having it.

3468
02:35:55,600 --> 02:35:57,719
Speaker 2: Be both is a way to get it to being

3469
02:35:57,760 --> 02:36:01,399
a hot take. But I just for me, I don't like,

3470
02:36:01,840 --> 02:36:04,200
I don't know. I'm just happy, Like you wouldn't be

3471
02:36:04,319 --> 02:36:06,760
surprised in the least if this is exactly how it

3472
02:36:06,840 --> 02:36:07,319
went right.

3473
02:36:08,280 --> 02:36:10,639
Speaker 1: No, I so both of them did not play in

3474
02:36:10,719 --> 02:36:13,840
sixty five games in each of the previous two seasons,

3475
02:36:14,120 --> 02:36:17,600
or the equipment. So I still think it's a I'll

3476
02:36:17,600 --> 02:36:19,200
say appropriatelyat hot.

3477
02:36:19,239 --> 02:36:21,680
Speaker 2: I think it's hot, but it's barely hot, just just

3478
02:36:21,719 --> 02:36:23,559
because you've got two variables in there that you have

3479
02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:23,920
to hit.

3480
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:27,520
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for the submission, Maddie Discord user Maddie,

3481
02:36:28,079 --> 02:36:30,840
oh boy, oh this is fine. Grant from at do

3482
02:36:31,040 --> 02:36:35,120
notts on Twitter there will be thirteen teams with forty

3483
02:36:35,159 --> 02:36:39,079
wins in the Western Conference. I'm assuming they don't mean

3484
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:40,639
forty exactly, because that would be.

3485
02:36:41,479 --> 02:36:44,600
Speaker 2: That would be what an exciting can you imagine trying

3486
02:36:44,600 --> 02:36:46,680
to sort suss out in time breakers At the end of.

3487
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:51,479
Speaker 1: Reference, Grant, there was eleven that won at least forty

3488
02:36:51,559 --> 02:36:52,239
one last year.

3489
02:36:53,000 --> 02:36:56,280
Speaker 2: Is this just exactly what Adam Adam Silver in the

3490
02:36:56,399 --> 02:36:58,319
NBA who crave parody want.

3491
02:37:00,319 --> 02:37:02,920
Speaker 1: This is too fat, it's I think it's too hot.

3492
02:37:03,079 --> 02:37:06,280
But so if you penciled into everyone, So of the teams,

3493
02:37:06,360 --> 02:37:09,159
let me list them off very quickly. Okay, see Denver, Minnesota,

3494
02:37:09,559 --> 02:37:12,440
the Clippers, the MAVs, the Suns, the Lakers, the Pelicans,

3495
02:37:12,479 --> 02:37:15,680
the Kings, the Warriors, and the Rockets all won at

3496
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:18,280
least forty last year. Which of those teams are you

3497
02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:20,639
most worried about not winning forty this year? It feels

3498
02:37:20,639 --> 02:37:22,600
like there's one of them. Yeah, just the Clippers.

3499
02:37:23,479 --> 02:37:27,959
Speaker 2: I think the other way to do it is like Portland, Utah, Clippers,

3500
02:37:28,440 --> 02:37:31,319
San Antonio. One of those can win forty. The other

3501
02:37:31,399 --> 02:37:33,639
three may not. Like if you're just thinking like of

3502
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:38,360
like other than those four, and then you say, again,

3503
02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:41,079
who's gonna Memphis it? So do the Warriors fall apart,

3504
02:37:41,120 --> 02:37:43,680
to the Lakers fall apart to join the Clips? Like

3505
02:37:44,079 --> 02:37:46,520
the Kings aren't going to fall apart like that, they're

3506
02:37:46,600 --> 02:37:47,280
kind of safer.

3507
02:37:49,159 --> 02:37:51,600
Speaker 1: That's a lot. I wonder if has that ever happened.

3508
02:37:51,959 --> 02:37:54,440
I bet that's never happened. I mean, you're also I'm

3509
02:37:54,479 --> 02:37:56,840
assuming that there'd just be some really really really bad

3510
02:37:56,879 --> 02:37:58,120
Eastern Conference teams.

3511
02:37:58,040 --> 02:38:01,559
Speaker 2: Right, the West just never lose against the East ever. Yeah,

3512
02:38:01,559 --> 02:38:04,399
I mean it's it's hot, but like I could see

3513
02:38:04,479 --> 02:38:06,840
how you got there just because we're doing it.

3514
02:38:06,920 --> 02:38:09,559
Speaker 1: It's really hard to like other than Portland and Utah,

3515
02:38:09,600 --> 02:38:09,840
who we.

3516
02:38:09,959 --> 02:38:14,079
Speaker 2: Just both talked up, like who's who's losing? I mean,

3517
02:38:14,120 --> 02:38:16,559
who's basically under five hundred. I don't know, It's it's

3518
02:38:16,959 --> 02:38:17,559
not that easy.

3519
02:38:18,440 --> 02:38:21,239
Speaker 1: That was a good one. We have back to back

3520
02:38:21,319 --> 02:38:23,799
thunder ones here. The first one is from Miroslav Shook

3521
02:38:24,479 --> 02:38:27,159
Oklahoma City will not reach the Western Conference finals.

3522
02:38:30,280 --> 02:38:32,360
Speaker 2: I mean that has to be a hot take just

3523
02:38:32,479 --> 02:38:35,040
because if we're going with like, what's public sentiment saying

3524
02:38:35,479 --> 02:38:36,760
everybody's in on the thunder?

3525
02:38:37,239 --> 02:38:41,959
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, but isn't are you always a posting bet

3526
02:38:42,120 --> 02:38:42,879
against a field?

3527
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:47,440
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean but no, this is well, this

3528
02:38:47,559 --> 02:38:49,600
is running up against like the two sides of the

3529
02:38:49,639 --> 02:38:52,840
hot take. So you don't think this is a hot take, No,

3530
02:38:55,079 --> 02:38:58,159
I think if you're weighing it against what most people

3531
02:38:58,280 --> 02:39:00,399
are thinking right now and everybody but he's in the

3532
02:39:00,440 --> 02:39:02,319
bag for the under So if you're going to lose

3533
02:39:02,399 --> 02:39:05,959
the conference semifinals, like I think that's what they did

3534
02:39:06,079 --> 02:39:09,319
last year Statistically, that's likely, right, But if we're talking

3535
02:39:09,360 --> 02:39:12,440
about like, is this like a contrarian take, Like, I

3536
02:39:12,520 --> 02:39:14,600
don't know, man, I think everybody thinks the thunder are

3537
02:39:14,600 --> 02:39:15,120
going to be great.

3538
02:39:16,159 --> 02:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, that's right. That's so it's appropriately

3539
02:39:18,639 --> 02:39:21,680
hot then, yeah, were shook. Good one. Here's another one

3540
02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:23,520
on the Thunder, Gran. I'm very curious to hear your

3541
02:39:23,559 --> 02:39:28,639
thoughts on this. I remember the oris specifically, Oklahoma City

3542
02:39:28,760 --> 02:39:33,159
will reach the Western Conference Finals at okcts not hot,

3543
02:39:33,920 --> 02:39:37,639
not hot relatives to consensus. Statistically speaking, the hot take

3544
02:39:37,680 --> 02:39:40,520
would be the finals, right, Like that is that the

3545
02:39:40,639 --> 02:39:43,399
only aside from winning the title. So the levels of

3546
02:39:43,760 --> 02:39:47,760
hot takery for Oklahoma City's end of season finish is

3547
02:39:48,479 --> 02:39:51,280
reaching the finals or winning the title, right, I.

3548
02:39:51,360 --> 02:39:53,239
Speaker 2: Mean I get even then it's like they're they have

3549
02:39:53,360 --> 02:39:56,120
the best odds in the West right to win the

3550
02:39:56,159 --> 02:39:57,200
title and make the finals.

3551
02:39:58,239 --> 02:40:01,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you're basing it specifically on consensus, yeah,

3552
02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:04,559
you're right. So there's there's not an outcome for Oklahoma

3553
02:40:04,600 --> 02:40:06,959
City that qualifies as hot in terms of it would

3554
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:09,360
have to be. So you're saying, all right, here's a

3555
02:40:09,399 --> 02:40:12,959
good one. If I say Oklahoma City loses in the

3556
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:17,040
semi finals. That's hotter than saying Oklahoma City wins the title.

3557
02:40:17,239 --> 02:40:20,079
Speaker 2: I think so, I think so like just I mean,

3558
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:23,120
for me personally, that's what I would think, and then

3559
02:40:23,159 --> 02:40:25,159
I do, look the odds say it, and then and

3560
02:40:25,280 --> 02:40:27,680
then public sentiment is what it is that everybody just

3561
02:40:27,719 --> 02:40:30,360
believes in the thunder and I count myself among them.

3562
02:40:31,360 --> 02:40:33,520
Speaker 1: The Sacramento Kings will be a top four seed in

3563
02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:35,680
the West. From Kyle A. Madson.

3564
02:40:36,840 --> 02:40:39,680
Speaker 2: That's pretty hot just because we just listed the teams

3565
02:40:39,719 --> 02:40:44,079
that were like, well, you know, okay, see uh stunning

3566
02:40:44,159 --> 02:40:47,680
if the Kings finish ahead of them Denver, Dallas, Phoenix,

3567
02:40:47,959 --> 02:40:50,600
I forget, I'm again Minnesota, So you got to be

3568
02:40:51,280 --> 02:40:53,159
a couple of those to get up to fourth.

3569
02:40:53,239 --> 02:40:56,120
Speaker 1: So that feels that feels appropriately hot to me. There

3570
02:40:56,360 --> 02:40:58,319
they are the teams that are sort of because aside

3571
02:40:58,360 --> 02:41:00,799
from OKAC, is there a team like if you had

3572
02:41:00,840 --> 02:41:02,520
to figure out the order even for number do you

3573
02:41:02,559 --> 02:41:04,120
even view there as that like there's a clear cut

3574
02:41:04,200 --> 02:41:05,319
second best team in the West.

3575
02:41:06,399 --> 02:41:09,879
Speaker 2: No, because it's it could be any one of Denver, Dallas, Minnesota.

3576
02:41:10,040 --> 02:41:13,280
I think in my mind like those seem like maybe

3577
02:41:13,319 --> 02:41:14,559
Phoenix is in that clump. Too.

3578
02:41:15,920 --> 02:41:18,200
Speaker 1: All right, we have two more grants. Are you ready?

3579
02:41:18,760 --> 02:41:22,280
Mm hmm. It's Eastern Conference teams though, so you're gonna

3580
02:41:22,280 --> 02:41:25,719
be upset your Western cover. Tyrese Maxi will lead the

3581
02:41:25,760 --> 02:41:29,719
Sixers in points per game, threes and assists Brian eight.

3582
02:41:30,079 --> 02:41:34,639
Brian Hart pr I mean that's hot.

3583
02:41:35,280 --> 02:41:37,280
Speaker 2: He's gonna outscore. I mean, is it like that Embiid

3584
02:41:37,319 --> 02:41:42,840
doesn't qualify because the points feel like a given? I mean,

3585
02:41:42,920 --> 02:41:45,200
the the points is where I'm I'm having a hard

3586
02:41:45,239 --> 02:41:47,200
time that. I guess that makes it a hot take

3587
02:41:47,239 --> 02:41:49,360
because that that would be nobody thinks that.

3588
02:41:50,799 --> 02:41:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but is it appropriately hot if you think he's

3589
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:56,280
gonna check two of these three categories? Right? And by

3590
02:41:56,280 --> 02:41:59,639
the way, the path would be like do they just

3591
02:41:59,719 --> 02:42:01,719
view it as the ball is gonna be in his

3592
02:42:01,840 --> 02:42:03,360
hands the most? That's not.

3593
02:42:04,479 --> 02:42:09,239
Speaker 2: It's it's closer to too hot to me than appropriately hot,

3594
02:42:09,280 --> 02:42:11,920
because it's just like Embiid's gonna get you thirty? Is

3595
02:42:12,040 --> 02:42:14,440
Maxi getting you thirty one? Like, how's that gonna happen?

3596
02:42:14,559 --> 02:42:16,520
Speaker 1: Isn't that? Is it being getting you thirty? When Paul

3597
02:42:16,559 --> 02:42:17,479
George is on the team?

3598
02:42:18,120 --> 02:42:20,000
Speaker 2: Well, is Maxi getting you thirty?

3599
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:22,799
Speaker 1: If Paul George's Who's I mean, who is more likely

3600
02:42:22,879 --> 02:42:24,200
to be running the offense.

3601
02:42:26,639 --> 02:42:29,760
Speaker 2: I mean, Maxi will have the ball plenty. I don't

3602
02:42:29,799 --> 02:42:32,280
think Maxi's ever gonna take more shots than Embiid and

3603
02:42:32,319 --> 02:42:34,319
he's damn sure not gonna get more free throw attempts.

3604
02:42:34,399 --> 02:42:36,079
So I just don't know where the points are coming

3605
02:42:36,120 --> 02:42:38,000
from to be. So it's a hot take, I mean,

3606
02:42:38,159 --> 02:42:39,479
is where we got to come down on it.

3607
02:42:39,520 --> 02:42:41,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's too hot. I think it's

3608
02:42:41,280 --> 02:42:43,040
appropriately hot. I like that was a good one. I

3609
02:42:43,079 --> 02:42:44,479
thought that was a really good one. I think this

3610
02:42:44,520 --> 02:42:46,799
is a good one as well. It comes from at

3611
02:42:46,920 --> 02:42:51,079
OD three holiday bam Adebayo makes an All NBA team.

3612
02:42:52,399 --> 02:42:55,840
Speaker 2: I let's say, I wish I I don't know, is

3613
02:42:55,879 --> 02:42:57,879
that hot. I'm leaning toward that's not a hot take.

3614
02:42:59,319 --> 02:43:02,680
Speaker 1: So I would say it's appropriately hot just because he's

3615
02:43:02,719 --> 02:43:06,159
never done it before. I was, is that right? I was,

3616
02:43:06,319 --> 02:43:12,040
Oh my god. Yeah. Now it's positionless, so I feel

3617
02:43:12,040 --> 02:43:13,760
like it's harder when it was when you had to

3618
02:43:13,840 --> 02:43:16,879
put a center on there. I would say, Okay, this

3619
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:19,680
is probably maybe it's not hot enough. But even that,

3620
02:43:19,840 --> 02:43:21,639
it's like so you would still say, oh, he's the

3621
02:43:21,680 --> 02:43:24,280
fourth best, the third best center in basketball, and like

3622
02:43:24,360 --> 02:43:27,000
there's enough bigs to wear? Okay? Is that so I

3623
02:43:27,040 --> 02:43:29,559
would say this is appropriately hot? Yeah? I certainly was

3624
02:43:29,600 --> 02:43:32,159
all NBA caliber, but it's not a sure thing I would.

3625
02:43:31,920 --> 02:43:34,319
Speaker 2: Have been if you'd said, has beam Outebaio made an

3626
02:43:34,360 --> 02:43:36,680
All NBA team? I would have, like, without hesitation, say yeah,

3627
02:43:36,680 --> 02:43:41,399
of course, but like the fact this appropriately hot?

3628
02:43:41,879 --> 02:43:44,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's been an All Star three times

3629
02:43:44,680 --> 02:43:48,959
and he's made five All Defense teams. Yeah? Are you?

3630
02:43:49,120 --> 02:43:50,399
This was fun? I enjoyed it.

3631
02:43:50,559 --> 02:43:53,440
Speaker 2: Oh we're done, all right? H what's your favorite hot

3632
02:43:53,479 --> 02:43:54,799
take of those.

3633
02:43:55,440 --> 02:43:57,280
Speaker 1: Of the ones that we just got? Honestly, I think

3634
02:43:57,319 --> 02:43:58,799
it might be the Tirese maxie.

3635
02:43:59,280 --> 02:44:01,399
Speaker 2: That's mine too, because that made me think, like how

3636
02:44:01,479 --> 02:44:04,719
does that happen? The best thought exercise for sure?

3637
02:44:05,399 --> 02:44:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at Yeah. I think that was the one

3638
02:44:06,959 --> 02:44:08,479
that made me really think the most. I like the

3639
02:44:08,600 --> 02:44:10,600
Kings one too, because the West is such like just

3640
02:44:10,680 --> 02:44:15,520
this morass, like good to great teams. So yeah, do

3641
02:44:15,559 --> 02:44:16,719
you want to take us out of here? Yeah?

3642
02:44:16,879 --> 02:44:17,559
Speaker 2: Well this was fun.

3643
02:44:17,680 --> 02:44:18,600
Speaker 1: So many hot takes.

3644
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:21,360
Speaker 2: I think, you know, we covered so many hot takes

3645
02:44:21,399 --> 02:44:23,280
that I think I have a better understanding of what

3646
02:44:23,399 --> 02:44:26,079
one is. However, next year when we do this, I

3647
02:44:26,159 --> 02:44:30,200
will still require clarification. Thanks everybody, especially those who submitted,

3648
02:44:30,479 --> 02:44:32,920
appreciate those. A lot of good ones in there, so

3649
02:44:33,040 --> 02:44:35,239
that was fun. Thanks for contributing there. Maybe we'll do

3650
02:44:35,319 --> 02:44:37,399
something like that in the future. Although hot takes are

3651
02:44:37,440 --> 02:44:40,079
really like ripe for that, so appreciate that. If you

3652
02:44:40,120 --> 02:44:42,399
have not done so already, please remember, as always a

3653
02:44:42,559 --> 02:44:46,959
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3654
02:44:47,040 --> 02:44:50,719
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3655
02:44:50,760 --> 02:44:53,399
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3656
02:44:53,399 --> 02:44:54,840
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3657
02:44:54,879 --> 02:44:56,559
out on Twitter, if you're not on Twitter or whatever,

3658
02:44:56,680 --> 02:44:59,200
to get get into the conversation.

3659
02:44:59,639 --> 02:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Submit stuff like we cover today, All good ways to engage.

3660
02:45:03,280 --> 02:45:05,280
We appreciate all of it. That's gonna do it.

3661
02:45:05,319 --> 02:45:07,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna close, as always with a shout Frank the team.

3662
02:45:07,719 --> 02:45:09,200
I'm gonna apologies to Jared Allen