Speaker 1: This is David Burns from a film by podcast, and
you are ready to be a part of the goddamn
club and battled Dracula, Wolfman, the Mummy and other universal
monsters with Sean Rudy Porus and the gang known as
the Monster Squad. Well you're about to, so stay tuned
and listen to the Shirley You Can't Be Serious Podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jason, yep? Question? Shoot, you know any virgins?
Speaker 3: Got me?
Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody to the Shirley you Can't Be Serious Podcast.
Do you know any virgins? Are you sure?
Speaker 3: Versions?
Speaker 2: Well there's Steve, but he doesn't count and count guys.
We are here for part two of our comparison of
the movies teen Wolf and the Monster Squad, not to
be confused with Monster Squad, some kind of weird seventies
TV show where the monsters actually were the ones doing
the crime fighting or whatever. Yeah, it was like Scooby
Doo or something. Is a little weird, Yeah, a little weird.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: So we're back. We just got at our last episode.
We just got done talking about casting for teen Wolf.
Now we're going to talk about casting for the Monster Squad. Yes,
what do you got? Give me? Man.
Speaker 3: Okay, So first off, you got Andre Gower, he plays
Sean Crenshaw. Can somebody tell me what the sam hell
is going on around here?
Speaker 2: Well, we answer, but who are you.
Speaker 4: With a monster squad?
Speaker 3: Yes, this kid was like in all the eighties TV shows.
He was in Saint Elsewhere, a team, Night Rioter, Night Court. Yeah.
He goes on to produce The Wolfman's Gotten Yards.
Speaker 2: Wolfman's Gotten Nerds. Most famous quote from this movie. I
think I probably saw it in the preview and I
was like, I gotta go see that movie, which I did.
I was I was one of the literally dozens of
people who watched this movie in the theater. The tens
of people literally does anyway. Yeah, so he, like you said,
he directed the Wolfman'scott Nards documentary, because, as it turns out,
I was in a minority of people who saw it
in the theater and then it went away very quickly,
and they all just were angry. The kid who played
Rudy like he gave up on acting after this, and
he had been in stuff. He was in Kids Incorporated
and his other stuff, and when it did poorly and
he saw it, he was just like, I just don't
want to I don't anybody to know about this. I
don't have anybody to know I'm an actor. And he quit. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I heard him talk about this. He was so hurt
by the disappointment of this movie not doing anything, yeah,
that he didn't want to talk about it. He didn't
mention it to people he dated or met. He just
put that away, right, and then compartmentalized.
Speaker 2: He compartmentalized it. Yes, And so then twenty or so
years later, people have been seeing this movie on HBO
and it's one of those you know, it's like Beast
Master or Crawl. It was just on on so people
saw it over That's where I saw it, but it
was it was on the underground, like it was kind
of this wink and nod like you know Monster Squad, Yeah,
I know Monster Squad. Yeah. And so you couldn't get
it on DVD unless it was some bootleg that somebody
had filmed, you know, was stolen off a Japanese disc
or something like that, and you had this kind of
collection of I don't want to call them cult followers
because I don't know if it rises to that, but literally,
Fred Decker had no idea that this movie was popular,
Like it came out, and he said there were eight
people in the They were going to all the theaters
like you do when your movie comes out, and when
you're at the premiere and there's eight people at the theater,
it's not it's not a good sign. Right, But this
underground following just grew and grew, and there was this
frustration because you couldn't get it on DVD. And this
guy had twentieth anniversary, right, he directs a twentieth anniversary
little documentary. He and some other folks lead the push
to get this movie released on DVD, and his documentary
is on the DVD. And it's like, this became my
calling card because once New Line said okay, we'll released
on DVD, it was their best selling DVD of the year.
It's incredible, right, it's crazy. And so they realized they've
got this following and the draft house, the draft house
finds the negative re could they find the original film?
And it's in New Zealand. Yeah, it was in New Zealand.
Which he's like, that's where films will go to die,
because you know, you people will. You got all these
collectors that they'll buy him and stuff. But once he
gets that far away. Nobody's going to pay the money
to have it shipped back over here with all of
the care that you've got to take. So that was
the last one, and they got it back. They got
it back, did one of those draft house Alamo things,
and they got the original people to show up, right
who we'll talk about here in just a second. Yeah,
And when they showed up, the place was full and
there was a line out the door, and they were
all just astounded because this was this to them nothing
movie that was an embarrassment that now had this huge following.
Speaker 3: When I see Fred Decker and he's being interviewed about
the Monks Squad, he does have great pride that it
eventually its audience and that people love it. But it
looks to me like he still is stung from the
failure at the box office, kind of disappointed.
Speaker 2: I mean, and this is the guy that directed RoboCop two.
Speaker 3: He did say I saw this a great quote. He said,
it's like taking a shot in basketball in nineteen eighty
seven and it doesn't go in until two thousand and six. Yeah,
what a great analogy that is, Like he made it,
nothing happened until it.
Speaker 2: Did twenty years later. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, By the way, I did see some people talking
about how Monster Squad was on HBO a lot. It
kind of found its audience there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was one of those movies you remember a Friday
night where you would go to the Blockbuster or whatever,
go the video store, and your mom would say, go
pick out a movie whatever, and you'd run around the
store and you look for something. You know, if you're
of a certain age, you can't grab Friday the thirteenth
or nine n ol Street. Well, you're not old enough
for that, right. Monster Squad was kind of a scary movie,
but for little kids. Yeah, it's kind of like Goosebumps
before Goosebumps, right, it's it's goonies like they're Yeah, I
mean it's goonies. A couple of years later with the
Universal Monsters. All right, next on the list. We talked
about him before Robbi Kiger, who plays Patrick.
Speaker 5: You're not a.
Speaker 2: Virgin, are you?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: What do you mean? No?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: But he doesn't count count right? And I can't find
him anywhere other than pre this stuff, where he was
with James Hampton in the whatever, that Maggie Maggie TV
series that lasted for three episodes.
Speaker 3: I do know that Robbie Kiger and Andre Gower were
really good friends before the Monster Squad, were really tight
and then they of course they go on to play
best friends in the show.
Speaker 2: So Seth Green, you know, I mean, he's been in
a million things. Probably most memorable for our audience is
Doctor Evil's son. Yeah, yeah, but I remember him from
the Checking the Checkers Old Checkers commercial. You remember that
it was his first deal. But he thought he got
the he thought he had the part in this one
because he read with the kid that plays Sean what's
his name again? What's the actor's name? Andre Gower? Right,
And you had mentioned it but I kind of cut
you off. But Andre Gower is the one who then
goes on to put together and direct this this documentary
on it called Wolfman's Gotten Nerds and it's guys, it's fantastic.
Go check out Wolfman's Got rd is a really well done,
well done It's worth the three ninety nine it is.
It is, by the way, yeah good and you can
get it for free right now. And two b okay our.
Speaker 3: Good buddies over at the Film By podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I talked to Jeff Johnson just the other day. He
said they went to a convention over the weekend. The
guys from the Monster Squad were there, namely Andre Gower
and the guy who plays Rudy Ryan Lambert. They're there,
and the girl plays Phoebe she was there as well.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: He said they hung out with them like they were
gonna go to dinner with them, Like it's like stepbrothers,
like we did best friends now.
Speaker 2: So that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I guess they they had a little connection
there and hung out a little bit.
Speaker 2: So that's when did that happen?
Speaker 3: Weekend? He was anxious to tell me about it because
he knew.
Speaker 2: So, wow, that's great. Okay.
Speaker 3: So Robbie Kaiger, as we said, he had been in
Children of the Corn Stephen King.
Speaker 2: Rules right right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, then we've got Stephen mact He plays
Detective Dell Crenshaw. Recognize him from anything.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I can't remember. Was he in total Recall? No?
Speaker 3: He had been in at the TV show Hotel Okay,
It stars James Roland, yes, who was also p W. A. W.
Speaker 2: Herman Raging Mister Herman.
Speaker 3: And he was also in a movie called Graveyard Shift.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: Stephen King Rules right, okay, got nothing, all right? Then
you have Duncan Reger. He plays Count Dracula.
Speaker 2: Yes, Duncan Riger, Yes, got it. Yes, Yes, he's great.
He's very good. He's and he delivers a serious and
scary performance. And the scene where he picks her up
by the throat, they didn't tell her what's coming, and
she's literally five years old, little kid. Yeah, she's tiny, right,
And whenever he would do rehearsals or whatever, you know,
run through the scene, he never wore the contact lenses,
the red contacts, right, And she had no idea what
he was going to say. And so they they've got
her on a platform so that, you know, he can lift,
and she raises up and they're like, okay, So when
he says what he's going to say, you scream and
she's like, what's he going to say? And they're like
you'll know, yeah, yeah, And so he says his line
you and opens his eyes and they're all red and
she screams, but like it was genuine fear to the
point that like she lost her breath.
Speaker 4: Give me the ambulat and so it was like ah,
and so they had to do this take over again.
Speaker 2: But she was like I'll have it this time. I
got it. I can tap into that. Well, let's talk
about her. Her name is Ashley Bank.
Speaker 3: She turned down the role of the little girl in
Fatal Attraction to do the monster squad.
Speaker 2: Oh, the bunny girl. Any girl, geez.
Speaker 3: Yeah. She had been in Fraser, one of my favorite
TV shows. All right, and then she has gone around.
She does all these conventions as well. She's older now
she's got a kid, I think, and cool. Yeah, all right.
By the way, I forgot to mention this. The guy
who almost got the part of Count Dracula was a
then unknown Liam Neeson.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, oh wow, okay.
Speaker 3: In fact, there was supposed to be this idea that
Count Dracula was going to disguise himself as a normal
human being and like looked totally different. Liam Neeson was
hired to be the human walking around part. They paid him, huh,
but they didn't film his scenes, and of course he
didn't make the movie.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, interesting, interesting, all right.
Speaker 3: Tom Noonan plays Frankenstein's monster.
Speaker 2: Tom Nowton. We've talked about it before, Yes, throw it,
throw it back again. Shane Black last action. He's right,
he's the he's the killer that comes. He's both the
killer and the actor. That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. What the heck happened Last Action Hero?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we check it out.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen the movie Man Hunter?
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 3: That is the first movie that has Hannibal Lecter in it.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's really good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And he plays the Red Dragon. I mean he's he's
the killer.
Speaker 2: He is known for playing monsters and killers. That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeap, he got this part from that. By the way,
Catherine Bigelow had watched Manhunter saw him as like, I
have got to get him in my movie Near Dark.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the other vampire movie of the late eighties.
Speaker 3: Right, Bill Paxton, Jeanette Goldstein, who from.
Speaker 2: All the alien movies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other guy guy who plays Bishop, like
the three people from Aliens.
Speaker 2: We're going to be in Near Dark.
Speaker 3: And Catherine Bigelow was so intent on getting tom Noonan,
like she would show up at the monster squad like
filming nice and he said no, I told you no.
She's like, no, I'm not leaving until you say yes.
And he's sill. Said, now, all right, let's talk about
Brent Challim for a second.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's the guy who plays horse.
Speaker 4: Man's Got.
Speaker 3: Fat Kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, his character is referred to as fat Kid, not Horace.
And it's terrible. It's terrible to watch that. And I
mean even his friends like a fat kid farted. I mean,
it's just it's awful. It is, it's terrible. It's painful
to watch, Yes, it really is.
Speaker 3: The really painful though thing though, is that he never
lived long enough to see the Monster Squad's success, and he.
Speaker 2: Has probably short of well, he's got both of the
most memorable lines in the movie. He's wolf Man's Got Narch,
that's him and then my name, my name is Horace. Yeah,
heck yeah, yeah. Tragically he you know, as he got older.
I think he was in his early twenties, nineteen ninety seven,
so he was, yeah, twenty one to two something like that. Yeah,
he had some he had some asthma problems. Then he
got pneumonia and that he was in the hospital for
a while. They had a little canula. They sent him
home with oxygen the canula. Canula came out. He was
in bad shape. They rushed him back to the hospital
and then in the er they gave him some medicine
that they should not have given him. That with his
asthma basically ended his life. And so you know, like
family called in say goodbye, he's not gonna make it.
And yeah, tragically, unlike the other kids who like thought
this movie was terrible and then found out later that
everybody loves it, he didn't never get to find that out.
So it's tragic, given that he's got the two best
lines in the movie. It is tragic.
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, I wanted to mention Ryan Lambert,
the guy who played Rudy.
Speaker 2: I'm in the Damn Club ar. Yeah, okay, he was
in Kids Incorporate. He's incorporated and you sent me a
picture today and blue my socks on. Yeah, because you
know who else was in Kids Incorporated? Fergie Fergie Yeah,
from Black Eyed Peas. Yeah, it's like they were, like
I showed you the picture. They're there together, they played
the they played the kids songs in the kid Club together.
That's incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Do you know that he is an ordained minister.
Speaker 2: I know that he's an ordained minister. And I also
known that he presided over the wedding of you go
ahead and say it. I know you know it. Freak stallone,
no no, no needle drop for barking right now, Oh
my gosh. All right.
Speaker 3: Uh. You also have Michael Faustina, who plays Eugene. He
was in Blank Check and Suburban Commando.
Speaker 2: Blank Check, blank Check, the Blake Snyderscript, the guy who
wrote to Save the Cat.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, that's right, all right, And now we're
getting to some people I actually know. Jonathan Greese plays
the Wolfman, yes, or Desperate Man as it says.
Speaker 2: Yes, because they had to be careful because they didn't
have rights to the Universal monsters. Right. Yeah, But we
just talked about him a little bit early. It was
earlier this year, right, we did Real Genius Versus Weird Science,
and he of course plays as low as Low. That's it.
Speaker 3: He plays las Low. He was also in Running Scared.
He's one of the detectives and Runing Scared.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And also Napoleon Dynamite Uncle Rico.
Speaker 2: He's Uncle Rico. So I could throw this football over
that mountain.
Speaker 3: Thing's funny. Man, he's great, you know in this he's
a little over the top when he's like, arrest me,
arrest me, you know, and they end up having a
shoot him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Mary Ellen Trainer is the mom.
Speaker 2: She's in so many things. We talked about this, so
many things she's in. Obviously, she's in Lethal Weapons. She's
the mom in the Goonies, which is I mean, it's
just an ironic crossover here.
Speaker 3: And you'll be in deep, the absolute deepest mine. That's it.
Speaker 4: I don't like her.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, she's in lethal Weapon. She's in die Hard. Okay,
hang on, hang which we compared, by the way, in
a Christmas episode in our season one, season two. I
can't remember one of those two. Go check that one
out this Christmas.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's let's look at her resume. Leth a Weapon,
die Hard, Goonies, Romance in the Stone for Scooged, Scrooged
for Scumpum Forest Gumpe.
Speaker 2: She's the friend of Genny who drops little Forest off.
She's like, I gotta go, gotta run and walks out
the door like she's that she's for that long. But
that's her.
Speaker 3: You know why she's married to Robertchis.
Speaker 2: Yes. Of course, by the.
Speaker 3: Way, she plays John Wilder's sister in romantic instance.
Speaker 2: John Wilder Joan Wilder, I really tell.
Speaker 3: You movies, Okay, Yes, And of course she's in Scrooged
I ask you hot or not hot? You said not hot,
Bill Murray still chasing her skirt and Scrooge right.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Then you have Leonardo Semino. Okay, Leonardo Semino as scary
German guy.
Speaker 2: Ah yes, yeah, yeah, the guy that you think is
the bad guy but ends up being the best, most
likable character in the movie. Yep.
Speaker 3: One other guy that I want to bring up to
you Jason Hervey.
Speaker 2: Jason Hervey from the Wonder Years and who we just
talked about in Peewee's Big Adventure. That's right, I was ready.
Speaker 3: I've been ready.
Speaker 2: Roll Okay, tell me this. In that last scene in
the Monster Squad when he and that other kid, whoever
the other other kid is, you know, because he's the bully,
right j Yeah, yeah, he's hiding. Won't let Horace into
the really as as the gild Man is coming up. Right.
He's wearing a jersey, Yeah he is?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is it? Walter Walter, which, of course Fred Savage who
is also in the Wonder Years with him. That's he's
wearing Walter Payton jersey in the Princess Princess. That's a
I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, here's my nugget I'm ready to drop
on you. So you have Lisa Fuller who plays Lisa Rhodes. Okay, yes,
and that's the version, the non version, that's your sister majors. Right, yeah,
here's my here's my nugget. Okay, totally nobody else cares
about that but me, you and maybe a couple of
guys who went to Shirley Fast. Okay, her husband you
know his name, married a guy. His name is Dan Goutier.
Speaker 2: Is he spelled like our friend, he spells it Gothier? Yep? Nice,
here it does there you go?
Speaker 3: So apparently a little French thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very nice. Okay.
Speaker 3: And then also the only other thing I was going
to bring up to you is you have Tom Woodruff Junior,
who plays Gilman.
Speaker 2: All Right, you know what that ties in perfectly to
what we're going to talk about next, which is special effects. Right,
and just again, you know I said this in our
first the first part of this comparison. I feel like
we had a movie that shouldn't have made it but
did because of master marketing, master marketing, and I have
and we have a movie that should have made it
but didn't, which I think was also due to terrible marketing, right,
Monster Squad, what do they do? They they put wanted
posters of the monsters up as they're advertising. Like, that's
the worst idea I've ever heard. I mean, this is
the late eighties. You've got all of these you got goonies,
you got all of these John Hughes movies. This is
this They've got a very Spielberg style of this movie.
You advertise it like.
Speaker 5: That, and then not to mention, you've got the guy
who wrote freaking Lethal Weapon as the writer of this movie.
You say, from the writer of Lethal Weapon, and you
show the you show the trailer, whereas Wolfman's got arts.
That is what That is the way you market this movie.
Not wanted posters of the Mummy and gil Man. And
they were terribly drawn, Like yeah.
Speaker 2: They're not even faith Yeah, it was like a pencil drawing.
It was. It was very, very bad. But anyway, just
to emphasize my point of this movie should have made it.
The guy who was in charge of special effects for
this movie, Stan freaking Winston wins He's a mass icon, right,
He's just an icon star Wars. I mean he's the guy,
you know, the gopher on Caddyshack, lest we forget, go
back and check out our Caddyshack versus Happy Gilmour episode.
And so anyway, stan Winston's in charge. They don't have
the rights to the monster movies. All these guys that
he's got to work on it with him, they're like, oh, man,
you know, we wanted to make the monsters like. We
can still make the monsters, they just can't look like
exact right. And so Frankenstein in the Monster Squad has
the bolts on his head instead of his neck, and
a lot of this is stan Winston's drawings, right. Dracula
is kind of a classic look of Dracula, not very
bela Legosi at all. And then Creature from the Black Lagoon.
They never call him that, they call him gil Man.
Wolfman is like a combination of a whole because there
were a ton of where Wolf movies in that time period.
The one he looked most like to me was the
Oliver Reed, like the Curse of the Wolf Man. He
had that, you know, the torn white shirt and the
jeans on it. Just it looked like that to me.
So anyway, you get all of these guys doing makeup
and one of those guys is Tom Woodroff junior, right,
and so he's he and they all have gone on
to become great famous makeup artists in their own right,
but they're new guys at this point. But he had
made a body cast for himself just so that he
could put different things on it, but it was his
own body, right, And so they get to the point
that they're like, hey, we're we need to do the
Gillman costume, which is another couple of guys was doing.
He was working on Frankenstein. And he's like, well, I've
got my body mold, you can use that. And so
they they put the costume, which is I mean a
one piece deal for Gilman, on the mold that Tom
Woodroff had created out of his own body, right. And
so once he sees the costume, he's like, I never
do this, But I pushed and I said, Stan, I
want to be the guy. I want to be the Gilman.
You're not gonna see my face. I'll have everything on.
I don't really know. It's good. Ida's like police, And
so they let the guy, the guy who did the
makeup for Frankenstein was the guy who played Gilman. It
was one piece suit there was no exit holes.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: No peeing. You can't pee, and the first thing that
you do is you go in the ice cold water. Yeah,
he said he fell shot all day. He was exhausted,
went back to his trailer, fell asleep in the costume,
and woke up not remembering that he was still in
the costume. And it was like a panic attack. It's like,
you got to calm yourself down. What's going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you're talking special effects and this is
the eighties, this is before CGI. You know, you had
to kind of conform to the demands in the suit.
So it's a one piece suit and it's it looks
super cool, Like I love the Gilman outfit in this
the Wolfman can't move his he has no movement in
his neck. He looks a little stiff. But I really
like Gilman. I think Frankenstein's great. Them is awesome. But
I also flipped back to Team Wolf for a second.
The guys who did the makeup and special effects over there.
When they would put Michael J. Fox and Jeff Glossman
in the Wolf, they had to drink milkshakes all day
because and I thought this is really weird. I thought
it was like, you couldn't get big. It's because if
you chew, you're messing up all the makeup. It just
stuff just begins to fall off your face, right, And
he said, on top of that sweating which they were
doing in the basketball arena, you know, it absorbed sweat.
So it's like he's like, any time of the day
you could go just be squored out sweat. So they
couldn't eat anything, just milkshakes, and then it was still
a challenge to keep it all on his face. Jeff
Glossman said they were playing basketball one day. He went up,
got a rebound turn and a guy he caught a
stray elbow and it messed everything up and they had
to shut it down just to reapply the makeouks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we're about to get in sounds like
special effects for teen Wolf. But just before we go,
there two guys that we haven't mentioned. John Rosngrant and
Shane Mayhan were both involved with Monster Squad. Rosengrant did
the Wolfman costume. Shane Mayhan did the Mummy costume. By
the way, Mummy played by the guy who was the
skinny guy in Batman and Robin the Bane before he
became big same guy anyway, those two guys, Rosenngrant and Mayhan.
Both of those guys went on to work together on
Avatar The Way of Water. There you go. Yeah, I
love that movie. Yeah, oddly neither one of them did Gilman.
I don't know how that worked anyway. So back over,
jump back into Teen Wolf special effects. Alex P. Keaton's
putting yak hair on his face and wondering why he's
gonna be high school monster movie instead of with crazy
Crispin over at that Steven Spielberg movie. Yes for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the three main people responsible for the effects
for Teen Wolf, yep, you have Thomas Berman, you have
Jeff Dawn, and you have Kyle Sweet.
Speaker 2: Okay, I give you info in two of those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got the third one, I think.
Speaker 2: Okay. Thomas Berman first job in Hollywood, and he was
uncredited for this, but was planned the apes nineteen sixty eight.
He was putting yak hair on people's faces again, right,
and then he goes on to do a lot of stuff.
Does Invasion of the Body Snatchers the old like nineteen
seventy eight one with Donald Sutherland in it? Right? Does
Scrooged actually gets nominated, if not won the Oscar for
the makeup on Scrooge. And a year after this came out,
he did the makeup for Howard the Duck.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a movie.
Speaker 2: We gotta do.
Speaker 3: What the heck happened on at some point?
Speaker 2: Absolutely so. The other guy you mentioned was Jeff Dawn. Now,
Jeff down did the special effects for Terminator two, which
we talked about, did the special effects for Total Recall,
which we talked with the thirty something movie guys about
like four years ago. I think the heck, that may
have been twenty twenty. That might have been that long ago.
That was a long time ago. Go guy, go check
out the thirty something movie podcasts. Are good thoughts over there,
lots of good stuff. ILLINOI contingent over there, yep. And
for our friend and just an awesome dude, Chuck Bryan,
he's over there at the Cinematic Flashback podcast. Good check.
Be sure and check that one out. Jeff Don did
the makeup for Star Trek for the Voyage Home. It's
a good one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, I got a little bit for you
on Kyle Sweet.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Kyle Sweet. Kyle is there like an R
and b guy named Kyle Sweet. I don't know anyway,
go ahead, Kyle Sweet is actually a woman? Oh okay?
Speaker 3: And no, no, Kyle Kyle Okay, and she's pretty pretty
hot woman.
Speaker 2: Really. I wonder if she goes to the Kyle Convention
every year. Did you know that there's a convention of
Kyle's what? Yes, like like guys, because I didn't know
they were a girl's named Kyle. They all get like,
I have that this big convention. If your name is Kyle,
you can go to the Kyle Convention.
Speaker 3: I imagine she would be pretty popular at the Kyle Convention.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So she did makeup work on Night of the Creeps,
which of course is a Fred Decker movie. Right, so
she had done nine of the Creeps. Here's the interesting
thing about Kyle Sweet. In one of the scenes where
the space Slugs get a guy a Night of the Creeps,
you can see graffiti on the bathroom wall that says
Striper rules like the rock group Striper.
Speaker 2: The Christian rock Christian heavy hair metal.
Speaker 3: Hey, I like Stripper had an album we Know Your History. Yeah,
but she married Michael Sweet, who is the lead singer
of Stripper.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
Speaker 3: That's why you have these stripper striper rules. There you go.
Speaker 2: Great, good story. Okay. So the composer for the Monster Squad, yeah,
guy named Bruce Broughton. Pretty sure that we brought him
up before because he was the composer for Tombstone, I mean,
among many other one. Okay, but anyway, I don't know
that the score of this movie particularly stuck out to me.
It's good, it does what it's supposed to do, but
it didn't register. But it's not supposed to.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's good.
Speaker 3: It's good enough, right yeah, well, no, not so much.
But I do have a little tidbit for you on
the music of the Monster Squad. Okay, so there's two
songs I want to bring up to you in the
Monster Squard. One is called rock until You Drop, not
rock Rock until you Drop. You know that's a deaf
leverd song. Okay, Rock until you Drop? And the Monsters
Squad rap.
Speaker 5: Stop there.
Speaker 2: We'll stand up for the right on the mouth comes down? Yes, right, yeah,
I remember that. Okay.
Speaker 3: Now, both of these were performed by a guy named
Michael Simbelo. Okay, does that name ring a bell to you?
Speaker 2: It does? But I don't remember from what he had.
Speaker 3: A massive one hit wonder from the eighties that I'm
gonna play.
Speaker 4: For you right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, recognize this one. Yeah, this is She's a maniac
like this is. I have two songs from the movie
Flash Dance on my phone and this is one of them.
Speaker 3: She's a maniac, dude.
Speaker 2: This is a great song, I know.
Speaker 3: Michael Simbello, Wow about that.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. All right, good one. Okay. So
we're gonna talk music from teen Wolf. The only thing
I got for you on the music from teen Wolf
Beach Boys. Beach Boys, You've got the massive Surfing USA drop,
and you know, you know that some idiots were out
there surfing on the top of vans after this. I
wonder if there's anybody with, like, you know, a vegetable
in a chair now because they decided to band surf. Sorry,
please don't call the show that's you. I mean, not
that you could, you know, going straight to hell for
that one. Okay.
Speaker 3: So, yes, you have the massive Beach Boys needle drop,
where a whole new generation is exposed to surfing USA.
Hello Deaf Dave love it the song they really wanted
for this movie but didn't get because they couldn't afford it, Okay,
and I imagine it's because they had landed surf in
USA and didn't have anything left over. They want to
wear Wolves of London.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of expected it to be there. Yeah,
they got some similar They have some similar sounding songs,
like when he comes in for the dance. That song
has a very Werewolves of London vibe to it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I heard Susan Rcetti talking about she believes that the
closing song when he hits the free throw at the
end of the movie and you have that the needle
drop of that crappy, sappy song, She's like, I feel
like that could have been a hit, you know. And
I was like, no boof no, no hu to me,
there's a few problems that I have with Teen Wolf, Yeah,
and that is one of them. The song at the
end sucks.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, all right, that's that's fair. I thought you
were gonna say something about the opposing player standing underneath
the goal while you shoot. That is the technical foul
free throws.
Speaker 3: Listen, the fact that that there's a werewolf playing basketball
got no problem with no problems the opposing player standing
underneath the basket while you shooting free throw at the
end of the game. Can't happen.
Speaker 2: It's not right breaking the rules. I have seen some
crazier stuff go down in high school games. I promise
you that, and the ref just let it happen. That's ridiculous,
it is. Yeah, yeah, okay, well, okay, before we before
we move on, I just want it there. It's a
couple of things. There's that thing, and there's this huge thing.
And I'm gonna look at you guys, because you've probably
if you're familiar at all with Teen Wolf, you're probably
familiar with that very last closing scene, just as it's
freeze from and the credits start to roll. Let's talk
just before that, somebody pointed out at some point when
you've got the VCR tape or the DVD or whatever,
you're like, there's a dude standing up and his pants
are unbuttoned and it looks like his johnson might be out. Yeah,
and like it's gone on like that. Everybody's looked at
it carefully, like, dude, that could be it. But you know,
it's framed in such a way that it's not in focus, right, it's.
Speaker 3: Right behind Michael J. Fox and James Hampton.
Speaker 2: Literally the last scene in motion of the movie stands
up and they're like buttoning on their pants. Right, So
there's this big controversy to this guy have his wang
out as they're filming this len and they missed it
and name you mean my waning? They missed it and
left it in the movie. There's the penis in the movie.
So these guys went to do some investigation, right, they
really wanted to find out. They tried to find out
who the actors were in the scene, couldn't find it,
couldn't find who who the extras were until.
Speaker 3: I will tell you this before you tell us the
until the editor of the movie. Yeah, got lit up
by the director like how could you?
Speaker 2: How could you miss that? Right?
Speaker 3: And she's like, dude, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: You're the one who shot you right there?
Speaker 5: I wasn't that right.
Speaker 3: This signing of blame was was kind.
Speaker 2: Of hard on. And so these guys do an investigation.
They find the original negative and it turns out that
they filmed it in a different ratio than you actually
see it. What the ratio they filmed it in is
taller than what we got. They cut it down, and
so what they were able to do was lift back
up and see who that person was. And I can
promise you she didn't have her cout.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's very clearly a woman.
Speaker 2: It's a lady. It's not a guy at all. And
maybe she had her pants undone. I mean they were
tight jeans back in those days, and they were mom jeans.
They gotta be cutting into You tell me when you've
been filming all day long unploated and some unbuttoned after lunch, man, Yeah,
we've all been there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I love that we discussed it. We can kind
of put that one that that to bed. That is
an urban myth. It is not really some guy exposing himself. Right, Okay,
I've got a couple of tidbits on Teen Wolf. Are
we ready for tidbits?
Speaker 2: Let's do it all right.
Speaker 3: So, one of the mistakes that Jeff Loeb felt about
Teen Wolf, he said, there's one mistake that I would
totally change if I could. I don't know if you
remember it, but they're at the bowling Alley and Mick,
who's trying to bully Scott as the wolf, trying to
make him mad. He mentions the fact that he basically
murdered his mother. Yeah, he talked about how robbing the
chicken check or whatever, and he's like, you know that
was too much.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess probably when I was a kid, I thought, oh,
that's really what happened to his mom. As a grown
up watching this, I thought, that's just something that he's
just saying just to goat him. He's I mean, he's
clearly going him. I mean, we know what happens with
with wolf people they turned back into humans. He would
have been guilty of murder. Also, how likely is it
that a wolf man married a wolf woman? Now that's right? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Uh so he still gets like people come up to
and ask him, did Mick murder Scott's money?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, okay, all right.
Speaker 3: There was also a cut scene from Teen Wolf I
want to bring up to you, okay, and I think
it could have changed the whole tone of the movie, right, right,
So they had a dream sequence where Scott as the
wolf appeared on Johnny Carson.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The problem with that is is that the director Rob Daniel. Yeah,
he said, we can't take it out of the bubble,
like this can't be bigger than life. All right, because
everybody would be at the high school. I mean, it's
just it has to be. You have to have this
at the school. It's a werewolf playing basketball and that's it.
He can't go on Johnny Carson, No, that would be okay,
Yeah I can.
Speaker 2: I can see that this needs to be in its
own world. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, I got another story for you, a tidbit from
maybe a tid note. I can't decide if it's a
tid note or tidbit.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So Jerry Levine, of course is Styles. Yes, he's been
around the world and people have recognized him as Styles.
He was at the Whaling Wall in Jerusalem and somebody
came up to me, like, Styles, right, But here's the funny.
Speaker 2: Jewish I don't know. Keep going, you're asking me questions.
So what are Jewish? Don't dig on swine man? What
about workshops? Bacon tastes good, workshops day is good? Anyway,
go ahead. Sorry.
Speaker 3: So he was at a billige old concert in the
Hollywood Bowl, okay, and he's like, you know, I was there.
I was just there to see a billage old concert.
And he's like, I don't really know if they know
Styles is in the house. Or not until all of
a sudden, I realize Styles is in the house, right,
So Billy Joel breaks out into a rendition of Surfing USA,
and he's like, everybody around him starts going pointing at
him like, oh my god. He's like and he realized
everybody standing around him knew he was Styles, yes, and
basically wanted him to.
Speaker 2: Dance, to do the surf, to do the surf dance.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, he said. He gave him a little something. Okay,
gave him a little something, yeah, which is hilarious. And
then okay, so they filmed this, as we said in
South Pasadena. Director Rod Daniel kind of came up with
a wild idea like, no, we've got to move this
to Nebraska. This is said in Nebraska. Okay, did you
know it said in Nebraska. I did not know it
said in Nebraska. The only thing I could tell was
from Nebraska is there's a bumper sticker in the coach's
office that said Husker Power. Okay, that's the only thing
that really ties it to Nebraska.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So he's like, we got to move this whole thing
in Nebraska, and they're like, no, we can just do
Pasadena's right, here with you know, no, we got it,
and so he finally they they were kind of fought
him on it. He's like, well, let me go spend
a week in Nebraska and see what we can do
in Nebraska. Okay, so like, fine, go to Nebraska, go
check it out. If you really feel strong about it,
let us know. So he went and, like the director
like went to like high school parties and stuff, and
so he's like checking out high school parties, right, Okay.
When he comes back, he's like, fine, we don't have
to go to Nebraska. And they're like, right, that's what
we thought too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He's like, but I want to add some stuff to
teen Wolf and they're like, what is it. He's like,
I went to this party and they played like two
minutes in the closet, like no rules, and he's like
they're like, yeah, okay, that's good. And he's like and
they had this other game where you had to like
you pour jello down somebody's shirt, and I was like,
these kids in Nebraska, what are they doing?
Speaker 2: Man? Well I got to wonder, like, how does a
guy in his what probably early thirties maybe show up
at a high school party and they're just cool with it,
I know, right, Like, hey, watch us throw a jello
this girl's shirt. You want to get in a closet
with this one of these high school girls?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: So that's weird. That's what he came back with from Nebraska. Wow? Okay,
did he come back with a keg? I would a
keg of beer? Yeah?
Speaker 3: All right, I got two tidbits for you on Monster Squad. Okay,
at the release of Monster Squad, do you know who
showed up to show support for the Monster Squad? Kiefer Sutherland.
Speaker 2: He's got the Lost Boys going on right there.
Speaker 3: The dude who like single handedly destroyed the Monster Squad
showed up at the premiere.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And here's my I'm ready to drop this nugget
on you. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So we have maryel and Trainer who's in the Monster Squad. Yes,
and she plays the mom we're gonna talk about that.
She was in Diehard. She plays the newscaster Gail Wallace. Yes,
the dad in the Monster Squad, the one who goes
into the rooms, look you know the kids, like, there's
a monster in my closet?
Speaker 2: Oh right, right, the the guy who's like the Mummy
is behind him and he's like, yeah.
Speaker 3: There's monsters in here, and where are you monsters? All
monsters gotta get out of here. Of course he's not.
He doesn't see the Mummy and all that stuff. That dude,
that actor is the guy at the beginning of Diehard
who tells Bruce Willis that the best way to relax
is to take off your shoes and socks and make
fists with your toes.
Speaker 2: Toes. Yes, wow, how about that? Nice? Yes? And it
just occurs to me just as just because I love
to tie these movies together. Mary Ellen Trainor is the
mom in the Monster Squad. Yes. Mary Ellen Trainer, as
we mentioned, was married to Robert Tamachas.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: Robert Jamachis directed Back to the Future. Yes, which is
the movie that made Teen Wolf a big movie. Absolutely?
Speaker 3: How about that?
Speaker 2: Okay, fascinating? Are we the final judgment?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: I got one other story I want to tell you
real quick, okay, before we get the final judgment. The
reception of these movies was interesting night and day. Okay,
at Teen Wolf, they showed like they screened the movie
for a bunch of people in Hollywood. Okay, Well, as
they're watching the movie. They get to the tenth reel.
This is like the final basketball scene, okay, which on
a side note, Michael J. Fox, you know, they had
set up all these basketball shots to make cinematic basketball,
and he finally went to the director and he's like, look,
just let us play. We're just gonna play basketball, and
just film is playing basketball, and just get shots from that.
After an hour of nobody coming near the bucket, he's like, guys,
this is terrible. He's like, somewhere in the locker there
is an hour worth of the worst basketball footage you've
ever seen. But anyway, they get to the final scene,
you know, with the basketball where Scott's playing and not
the wolf. And anyway, they realize the editor and the
director are watching this with the crowd. They realize this
is the wrong cut of the movie. This is the
wrong reel. Okay, they're watching this. It's missing like the
school the music, like the emotional music, right, and so
they're like, what do we do it's missing the music.
She's like, I don't know what should we do, and
he's like, it's so important to have the score in
the final scene. We've got to have it. So they
stop the screening and they say, look, everybody, sorry, we
got a technical difficulty. We're gonna run right down the
street and get the real will be right back. He
was like, the fact that nobody left, right, nobody left
tells me that people were on the hook for this
movie because I knew we had a hit. At that moment,
he said, Now, I was doing ninety miles an hour
through gas stations and stuff to go four miles there,
pick it up, come four miles back, right, he goes.
When I got back, nobody had left, and I knew
we had a hit.
Speaker 2: This is this movie. I'm just gonna say it. But
for Michael J. Fox, this movie fails hard, probably so hard.
And I will refer to you to one scene and
we've already talked about it, and it is the scene
where he is in he's just discovered he's the wolf.
He's in the school. He realizes he's changing. It's like
he's trying to do the math, and he's his claws
come out and he's like, gott to escape, and he's
running trying to find a bathroom to hide in and
he runs down the hall. The janitor is like, that's
what and you see him and I mean it's it's
like four seconds stuff slip slip, slip, slip slip slip slip,
does not fall. Cut scene too. You're looking at him
from down the hall of this Huh he does fall
but keep going right, but he stays up. But then
like just at this last second and you just see
him go whoosh. It is comedy. It's old Like, I
don't know how physically he was able to keep his
balance with all of that stuff fall at the perfect
moment for the comedy and then also get the fall
for when he slides by as you cut, as you
take the second camera angle that and I'm just like,
this guy is a genius. He's a genius. And what
is I don't want to bring it down, but I
just need to know this. What is tragic is what's
happened to this poor guy's body. Since then, his wife,
who he met on family ties. I almost said growing pains.
His wife we'd met on family ties, has been by
his side through all of this. But I mean, he
found out he had Parkinson's in his late twenties. He
had not even been like on fire, top of the world.
Movie after hit after movie after than bigger than bubblegum
as he says yes, and then all of a sudden,
all of his movies start to do badly, right, and
they talk about how he's gotten too comfortable, and he's
he was thinking, oh, you know, I've just got to
where I don't have to ham it up now. This
is Parkinson's given him the mask, and which is why
a lot of what he did post finding out about
the disease, but before it kind of took him out
of the movie business, didn't do as well. But there's
a documentary that you can watch on Apple TV right
now called Still Watch It. It's incredible.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to check it out. Yeah, all right, final judgment.
Speaker 2: Here we are, Here we go. You go first? All right, Okay,
So I'm.
Speaker 3: Just gonna say like this, I mean, for me, I
think it's real important to the age you were when
you saw these movies.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So, I was twelve when I saw Teen Wolf, and
Teen Wolf had everything I aspired to, Right. I wanted
to be a basketball star. I wanted to be in
the closet with the girl for two minutes, and I
wanted to surf and be popular and be that guy
right right, and muster Squad I was fourteen fifteen when
I saw it, and those were little kids, and so
I wasn't as interested in the little rascals at the time.
I was more interested that summer in Beverly Hills Cop
Part two right right, and Stake Out and Jaws The
Revenge and stuff like that, and Predator. Yeah, I mean
so when I first saw them, the movie that impacted
me the most clearly was Teen Wolf, and it remains
to this day. I do enjoy Monster Squad. I would
even love to show it to my kids.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great fun movie.
Speaker 2: I loved the.
Speaker 3: Universal monster movies, but for me, it's Teen Wolf all day,
every day, mainly because Michael J. Fox is so unbelievably irresistible.
That's it.
Speaker 2: Yep. And before we rewatched these movies, I would have
one said the same thing, like Michael J. Fox charisma
is all over this thing. Even though he thought he
was making a bad be movie, high school monster thing
at the time. He absolutely makes this movie. He and
the dad, no doubt, James Hampton does a great job.
Absolutely make this movie. Loved it when I saw it
in the theater. Loved that moment when he opens the
door and James Hampton is wolfed out a very cuddly,
ewakeee kind of he said.
Speaker 3: When they screened that movie for the first time, he
said that moment only happens every very very rarely.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 3: The whole place died laughing. He just soaked that in
and said that we've nailed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very very well done, super funny. But
upon the rewatch, I actually was genuinely impressed with Monster Squad.
I had not seen it since I saw it in
the theater. I might have seen it, like maybe at
a friend's house one night, you know, at you know,
whatever age I was, but you point out ages and
that it's very important. When I was nine, when Teen
Wolf came out, I loved it because I mean, even
at nine, I still wanted to be with a girl
in closet, but I also wanted to be a wolfman,
right sure, And I loved the universal Monsters, and so
I loved Monster Squad when I watched it. And going
back and looking at at this movie, I don't know
if it's just because it didn't make it at the
time that I've got this I get this feeling, or
just because it's really a very well written script like
which makes sense now that we know, but this was
I understand Shane Black when he says this is my
best script. It's really well put together. Even at the opening,
you know, the opening texts on the screen of about
Van Helsing and how they tried to save the world
and they blew it. I laughed out loud. And I
haven't even seen one scene of the movie, you know,
And so this is hard to say. It's a very
close call. Any day. I could easily pick Teen Wolf.
I'm wearing the shirt, I've got the funk pop Yeah,
but I just I'm gonna go with Monster Squad, just
because it's such a well done script and for as
low a budget as it was. The end is exciting,
the acting is good, the characters, you know, they're they're
the goonies. And for me, I was twelve when that
came out. I was the same age as those kids. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's Monster Squad for Metastic man.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: When we picked opposites. Yeah, all right, let's talk about
what we got coming next week?
Speaker 2: Okay, what do we got coming next week?
Speaker 3: We have one of the best selling albums of the
nineteen nineties. Okay, thirty three million albums sold. Jagged Little Pill.
You ought to know Alanis Morrisett.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fantastic. Who and who are we pitting her against?
Speaker 3: Putting her against Jewel and dang no doubt?
Speaker 2: Right, ladies right there, all very foxy back then, A
couple of them still very foxy. I'll let you decide
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