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Speaker 3: If you have all the muscles firing on all cylinders,
Speaker 3: it's amazing how your body will respond and things will
Speaker 3: feel a lot less of an effort for you. When
Speaker 3: everything's firing one hundred percent, like you doing a squad.
Speaker 4: You feel like you have like super strength.
Speaker 3: Actually, I've gone out and like whether it's playing golf
Speaker 3: or gone out and wakeboard it. After I've had sessions done,
Speaker 3: your body knows internally what is supposed to do. When
Speaker 3: you've practiced enough, And when I go out there and
Speaker 3: I've had maat done, it feels like it's effortless.
Speaker 4: I don't have to think about it.
Speaker 3: My body just does it because everything's fire.
Speaker 4: In all cylinders.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you've had those days where you've gone
Speaker 3: out and it just seems like everything's an effort.
Speaker 4: It's not effortless. It feels like you're struggling for every swing.
Speaker 3: You're struggling for everything that you're doing, and you can't
Speaker 3: figure out why.
Speaker 1: Muscle activation technique therapy for more consistency and distance. This
Speaker 1: is Golf Smarter. Laura Loreman, Welcome to Golf Smarter for
Speaker 1: members only.
Speaker 4: Hi, friend, how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine? Thank you so much for reaching out
Speaker 1: and wanting to come on to the podcast. How the
Speaker 1: heck did you find Golf Smarter.
Speaker 4: Through my fiance. He actually turned me on to it.
Speaker 3: And I'm a golfer myself, and I've also had a
Speaker 3: lot of joint issues and stuff, so it was kind
Speaker 3: of one of those things I work with golfers to
Speaker 3: try to make them feel better, and I just kind
Speaker 3: of thought it would be kind of a cool venture
Speaker 3: to get on a podcast and let people know how
Speaker 3: muscle activation techniques can help their golf game.
Speaker 4: You know, it's something that a lot of people have never.
Speaker 1: Heard of, right, and and we're talking about muscle activation techniques. Correct, Okay,
Speaker 1: for before I ask you what exactly that means. First
Speaker 1: of all, congratulations on being engaged. And you obviously a
Speaker 1: very smart guy. If he found golf smarter, good for him,
Speaker 1: Good for you, Thank you, thank you. So you have
Speaker 1: a date set, No.
Speaker 4: We're not going to go there.
Speaker 1: Okay, smart and so who's got the commitment folk? Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's talk about muscle that's.
Speaker 4: A whole other podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's on the Mommy podcast. So let's let's
Speaker 1: talk about muscle activation technique or matt right, Yes.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep. That's the easiest way to refer to it.
Speaker 4: We refer to it as m AT.
Speaker 1: Okay, And what is it that you do and that
Speaker 1: got you to muscle activation technique? To make way?
Speaker 3: So I started, I started out as a personal trainer.
Speaker 3: Prior to that, I actually competed wakeboarding professionally for eight years.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you're familiar with wakeboarding some
Speaker 3: people may not be. It's basically like snowboarding behind a boat,
Speaker 3: but you know, lots of flips, a lot of impact.
Speaker 3: I had all kinds of joint issues myself, whether I've
Speaker 3: had two ACL surgeries, I've had hip problems and back
Speaker 3: problems and shoulder issues, and I.
Speaker 1: Have many problems.
Speaker 3: That's what I thought I was like, there's got to
Speaker 3: be an answer out there, and I was a massage junkie.
Speaker 3: I went to the chiropractor, I went for acupuncture, and
Speaker 3: not that there wasn't anything wrong with those. They helped
Speaker 3: me to a point, but I just felt like there
Speaker 3: had to be something.
Speaker 4: More out there.
Speaker 3: Sure, So that was kind of it's my quest to
Speaker 3: make myself feel better, is kind of how I came
Speaker 3: across it. When I quit competing, I went back to
Speaker 3: what I had gone to school for, which was exercise science.
Speaker 3: So I started doing some personal training and I got
Speaker 3: introduced to MT through my boss at the time, and he,
Speaker 3: you know, he used to give me a hard time
Speaker 3: because I was always trying to stretch and do yoga
Speaker 3: and trying to get rid of the tightness in my body,
Speaker 3: and all it.
Speaker 4: Did was kept coming back.
Speaker 3: And so he introduced me to the MT and he
Speaker 3: started working on me, and it was night and day
Speaker 3: difference the way my body started feeling. I was starting
Speaker 3: to get long term effects instead of it being every
Speaker 3: single day I had to go through and try to
Speaker 3: stretch out those same muscles over and over and over again,
Speaker 3: and my body just started turning around and moving forward.
Speaker 3: And it was about a year after the work that
Speaker 3: I had, you know, I started getting I decided to
Speaker 3: get certified in the program myself and it's it's, you know,
Speaker 3: become a career path for me and I'm helping people
Speaker 3: and I feel like it's changed my life and I'm
Speaker 3: changing other people's lives.
Speaker 1: Awesome, that's fabulous. Congratulations. It sounds interesting because I've been
Speaker 1: a long time. If you've listened to the show and
Speaker 1: you said that you have, I've been a longtime advocate
Speaker 1: of yoga yea and practitioner, and it's helped. But I
Speaker 1: still have lower back issues. I think I have siatica
Speaker 1: is basically my biggest issue is my sciatica. And like
Speaker 1: yesterday I was. I played eighteen holes yesterday on a
Speaker 1: course out here in northern California, very hilly course. It's
Speaker 1: a tough walks. It's five and a half close to
Speaker 1: six mile walk and there are many hills, so much
Speaker 1: so one of the hills is so extreme that between
Speaker 1: number thirteen and number fourteen you have to take an
Speaker 1: elevator up the side of the hill.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that's a little extreme, right.
Speaker 1: So I mean, like if you're in a golf cart
Speaker 1: lazy fools wide, so many people. If you're in a
Speaker 1: golf cart, you can drive up a path. But if
Speaker 1: you're walking like I was, they give you elevator up
Speaker 1: the side of a hill.
Speaker 4: That's great.
Speaker 1: And it's very cool. I took some pictures of going,
Speaker 1: all right, this is the most unique spot of most
Speaker 1: most unique golf spot in Marin County. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: after that, you know, walking those hills, my hips started
Speaker 1: hurting me again and like I had to stretch it
Speaker 1: out and it was like it affected my swing and
Speaker 1: you know, yep, so all those things. So I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1: I want to know some of the research that you
Speaker 1: send me talks about Peyton Manning.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Greg, Greg rosstop. He's actually the founder of
Speaker 3: M A t H. He's based out in Denver and
Speaker 3: so hence you know Peyton Manning being out there. He
Speaker 3: works with the Denver Broncos and some of the other
Speaker 3: sports teams out there, and Peyton Manning has had the
Speaker 3: work done and you know that's how he came back
Speaker 3: from his his next surgery. That was a big, a
Speaker 3: big part of his recovery and you know he's back
Speaker 3: playing professional football. I mean, that's a lot of impact
Speaker 3: and to be able to do that after next surgery,
Speaker 3: that's huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, for those who aren't familiar with Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning is he's one of the all time great quarterbacks
Speaker 1: in history in American football and he had next surgery.
Speaker 1: It affected his game tremendously and then he had to
Speaker 1: have the surgery and the team said, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think you're ever going to come back. You're too old
Speaker 1: for this, and so they let him go and he
Speaker 1: was picked up by another team and he came back
Speaker 1: and had a great year.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty impassive, and you know, when
Speaker 3: you're dealing with injuries at that level, it's something that
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to probably, you know, keep getting the
Speaker 3: muscle activation done because now you're dealing with a structural
Speaker 3: change in there. But it's it's something that also allows
Speaker 3: you to keep doing the things that you love to do.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 1: And so now explain to me what is Matt.
Speaker 3: Okay So muscle activation techniques, it's it's different from other
Speaker 3: modalities because our main focus is not on the tightness
Speaker 3: in the body.
Speaker 4: A lot of.
Speaker 3: Things such as yoga and massage and you know other
Speaker 3: modalities they're they're focusing on that tightness and trying to
Speaker 3: get rid of the tightness.
Speaker 4: The whole philosophy, the whole philosophy behind.
Speaker 3: Muscle activation techniques is that the tightness is there because
Speaker 3: it's the protective mechanism of the body. The body's trying
Speaker 3: to stabilize a joint that has instability in it, So
Speaker 3: that tightness always wants to come back because the stability,
Speaker 3: that instability is still there. So what we do is
Speaker 3: we use the tightness as a guide as to where
Speaker 3: the instability is. But our focus is on figuring out
Speaker 3: which muscles aren't contracting the right way, which ones are
Speaker 3: basically like misfiring and they're not getting the communication from
Speaker 3: the nervous system properly. So what happens is then the
Speaker 3: body starts to compensate, it starts to tighten up, it
Speaker 3: starts to protect the joint because there's this imbalance going on.
Speaker 3: So what we're what our goal is is to figure
Speaker 3: out which muscles aren't firing the right way, and then
Speaker 3: we actually do a hands on stimulation of the muscle
Speaker 3: where the muscle attaches. So we're going in with our
Speaker 3: with the hands so a lot of people would compare
Speaker 3: it to massage in that sense, but it's not really
Speaker 3: because we don't deal with the tightness or the body
Speaker 3: of the muscle. We only go to where the muscle
Speaker 3: attaches and that actually sends a signal to the nervous
Speaker 3: system and we get that communication going and it actually
Speaker 3: you'll see that instant result on the table, which is
Speaker 3: pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, go let's move on to
Speaker 1: that one. You see instant results on the table.
Speaker 3: You do so for instance, So we start with the
Speaker 3: range of motion exam and then from there we decide
Speaker 3: let's say it's your internal rotation or your hip is
Speaker 3: really is really limited compared to the other side. Okay,
Speaker 3: so what I'm going to do is I'll go through
Speaker 3: and I will actually do a muscle test for every
Speaker 3: single muscle that can take you into internal rotation with
Speaker 3: that hip. And if the muscle test's strong, we leave
Speaker 3: it alone, we don't touch it. If it tests weak,
Speaker 3: then we go in and do this hands on stimulation.
Speaker 3: We go back and retest the muscle and that muscle
Speaker 3: will test solid.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. Like I see the most amazing
Speaker 3: things every day on the table and it just blows
Speaker 3: me away.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: And as you get through all those muscles, you actually
Speaker 3: will start to see the range of motion open up
Speaker 3: as well, because the body stops it, lets go of
Speaker 3: that protective mechanism and says, okay, I'm sensing stability in here.
Speaker 3: Now I'll give you the range that you want. So
Speaker 3: it lets it, lets that joint actually open up and
Speaker 3: give you the range.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting, I thought.
Speaker 4: So that's why I got into it.
Speaker 1: How can these explained to me? The muscle imbalance?
Speaker 4: Okay, the muscle and balance.
Speaker 3: So there's there's so many different things that can cause it,
Speaker 3: you know, there's Unfortunately we don't have the answers. Everybody asks, well,
Speaker 3: why does the why does the muscle lose the communication?
Speaker 3: Why does it lose that? It could be injury, It
Speaker 3: could be overuse. It could be repetitive motion with which
Speaker 3: we get in a lot of sports. It could be
Speaker 3: partly the aging process, you know, just our body's natural
Speaker 3: aging process as we use it. And if you don't
Speaker 3: continue to get that maintenance done, it's kind of like
Speaker 3: as if we're like the muscle mechanics, we kind of
Speaker 3: tune up the muscular system, and it's like driving your car.
Speaker 3: If you never get it tuned up, that car is
Speaker 3: not going to last.
Speaker 1: Did you just say that we can turn back the
Speaker 1: aging process? Is that what you're implying? Kind of Okay,
Speaker 1: you just got a lot of people signing up. I
Speaker 1: can guarantee that.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm telling you, I feel better than
Speaker 3: I did two years ago when I started getting this
Speaker 3: this work done. I look back and I'm like, I've
Speaker 3: come such a long way, and I've had a lot,
Speaker 3: Like I said, I've had a pile of issues, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I said, from two ACL surgeries, to hit problems,
Speaker 3: to shoulder problems and even back problems. And when I
Speaker 3: look at where I was, I still have work to
Speaker 3: go for myself. But when I look back, I am
Speaker 3: so much better than I than I was two three
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, So when you say you have you still
Speaker 1: have work to do? This is an ongoing process. Or
Speaker 1: at some point can you be I'm done. I think
Speaker 1: it's all better.
Speaker 4: Now, Well are you going to stop using your body?
Speaker 1: Uh? At some point? Yeah, Well.
Speaker 4: That's the terminal end.
Speaker 3: But you know what happens is and this is what
Speaker 3: I tell people when I start working with them, I say,
Speaker 3: give me a give me a chance.
Speaker 4: Let's let's go.
Speaker 3: Whether it's I might say, if you can, if you
Speaker 3: can do once a week to start, and let's get
Speaker 3: through the main issues that you have. Let's say it's
Speaker 3: a hit problem, or you're sciatica or whatever that is.
Speaker 3: We don't treat. We don't treat specific things such as saiatica.
Speaker 3: We look for that and balance. But let's say let's
Speaker 3: try to get through your major issue areas where you
Speaker 3: really feel like you have that problem. Let's get you
Speaker 3: moving where you feel like you're making that progress, and
Speaker 3: then from there you can kind of tone it down
Speaker 3: where it becomes a maintenance thing for you. So if
Speaker 3: you know a lot of people, I get them initially
Speaker 3: because they have some kind of major issue, but you
Speaker 3: know they can definitely. I have people that come and
Speaker 3: see me once a month, they see me, you know,
Speaker 3: once every six weeks. But then I also have the
Speaker 3: people that just love it and they come see me
Speaker 3: every week. So it's you know, it can be adjusted.
Speaker 3: You're going to get a benefit no matter how often
Speaker 3: you use it.
Speaker 1: And this is not something like I can go do
Speaker 1: yoga by myself.
Speaker 4: Yes you can every day.
Speaker 1: This is not something I can do. I can learn
Speaker 1: and take care of myself. I need to have a
Speaker 1: mat therapist person, So.
Speaker 4: Ideally is to have m AT specials to work with.
Speaker 3: Now are isometric exercises that you can do on your own,
Speaker 3: which I have incorporated into a lot of my client's routines.
Speaker 3: So that helps them kind of maintain a lot of
Speaker 3: the things that they're doing.
Speaker 4: And you'll see it.
Speaker 1: Maintains the flexibility or the loosness of yep.
Speaker 3: So the isometric contractions that you can do can actually
Speaker 3: help increase range emotion as well and can help strengthen
Speaker 3: the muscle. What you have to understand is what we're
Speaker 3: working on too, is we're working on the communication part
Speaker 3: of the muscle. So we're trying to make the muscle
Speaker 3: communicate properly so that it maintains the proper tension so
Speaker 3: when you apply force to it, it knows it responds immediately.
Speaker 3: So you can go through and you can strength train
Speaker 3: and do all these other things. But sometimes you're reinforcing
Speaker 3: the compensation that's happening in your body already.
Speaker 1: I know that for some sports that say you're doing
Speaker 1: weight training, you can go a little bit overboard and
Speaker 1: it prevents range of motion.
Speaker 3: Correct correct because then again you're you're surpassing what the
Speaker 3: muscles can handle. It then has a tendency to cause
Speaker 3: you to tighten up, and it can it can limit
Speaker 3: your performance, you know, overperform. I mean overtraining could be
Speaker 3: your own worst enemy as well. You know, like you
Speaker 3: can have undertraining and overtraining and it's you got to
Speaker 3: find that happy balance. You need the rest time, you
Speaker 3: need the recovery time. And that's the nice thing about
Speaker 3: m A T as well. It's it's one of those
Speaker 3: things that you can do on your off day. You
Speaker 3: can you can do it on your off day, you
Speaker 3: can do it prior to going out and performing. It's
Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be an after the fact thing
Speaker 3: because it's going to make you, uh, make improve your
Speaker 3: improve your performance basically, so it's.
Speaker 1: Not necessarily reactive. You can be proactive on this correct
Speaker 1: correct And if you if you say you're let's go
Speaker 1: back to the weight training idea again and you're doing
Speaker 1: the weight training, you're pushing yourself. Can the muscle activation
Speaker 1: technique MATT, Can it help you like break through and
Speaker 1: even go farther in your your goals of whatever sport
Speaker 1: you're doing.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, because if you have all the muscles firing
Speaker 3: on all cylinders, it's amazing how your body will respond
Speaker 3: and things will.
Speaker 4: Feel a lot lot less of an effort for you.
Speaker 3: Like when everything's firing one hundred percent, like you doing
Speaker 3: a squat, you feel like you have like super strength.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's it's pretty crazy how.
Speaker 3: I've gone out and like whether it's playing golf or
Speaker 3: gone out and wakeboarded, after I've had sessions done and
Speaker 3: your body knows internally what it's supposed to do when
Speaker 3: you've practiced enough, And when I go out there and
Speaker 3: I've had mat done, it's just it feels like it's effortless.
Speaker 4: I don't have to think about it.
Speaker 3: My body just does it because everything's fire in all cylinders.
Speaker 3: And if my body's out of line, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: you've had those days where you've gone out and it
Speaker 3: just seems like everything's an effort, like you cannot it's
Speaker 3: not effortless.
Speaker 4: It feels like you're struggling for every swing.
Speaker 3: You're struggling for everything that you're doing, and you can't
Speaker 3: figure out why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've seen me play.
Speaker 4: So but yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's the cool thing about it is not only
Speaker 3: does it it improves the performance, but it uh, you know,
Speaker 3: it takes all your practice that you're that you're doing
Speaker 3: out there, whether it's on the course, whether it's in
Speaker 3: the gym, and it actually.
Speaker 4: Just it it improves all of that. It makes it
Speaker 4: that much easier.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's talk about golfers. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: matt and golfers, and let's what do you see as
Speaker 1: a golfer, but also working with golfers who have this
Speaker 1: and they come in, do you see something consistent that's
Speaker 1: going on in the imbalance that's happening in muscles?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know a lot of times one of the
Speaker 3: biggest things is you'll put people on the table and
Speaker 3: you'll see rotation issues in the trunk or hip and
Speaker 3: balance and those are both things. I mean, you need
Speaker 3: your hips to be able to open and you need
Speaker 3: to be able to rotate through through the trunk so
Speaker 3: that you can create the proper forces through and that's
Speaker 3: a lot of people's limitation.
Speaker 4: If they cannot perform the motion that they're supposed to.
Speaker 3: You you can go and get lessons every day and
Speaker 3: try to do that over and over again. But if
Speaker 3: your body doesn't want you to do the motion, it's
Speaker 3: not going to you know. So obviously you need to
Speaker 3: have the lessons, you need to have all of that
Speaker 3: because you have to have those proper skills, but then
Speaker 3: you also need your body to be able to perform
Speaker 3: those skills. So that's how that's how the muscle activation
Speaker 3: can come in into play with improving that improving your
Speaker 3: golf performance.
Speaker 1: And so what things do you see specifically that are
Speaker 1: consistent with golfers that Matt helps the benefits.
Speaker 4: Okay, so the big thing is opening up trunk rotation.
Speaker 3: I actually work with a golf pro up in the
Speaker 3: Illinois area here and the first time I got him
Speaker 3: on the table, uh you know, we sat him down
Speaker 3: and his.
Speaker 4: Rotation to the right it's good. Yeah, his backswing was great.
Speaker 3: His rotation to the left like about half half half
Speaker 3: of what his rotation to the right was.
Speaker 4: And so I worked on him.
Speaker 3: He actually went out and played that afternoon, and this
Speaker 3: was the first time I had worked on him. He
Speaker 3: he said it was unbelievable to him just how easy,
Speaker 3: how easy his motion was. He couldn't believe the range
Speaker 3: that he had and he said he actually had an
Speaker 3: amazing round, you know, and that was working on him
Speaker 3: that same morning. So it's definitely and that was his
Speaker 3: first session, first session.
Speaker 1: That's a heck of a testimonial, it is. It is.
Speaker 3: It's like he's he's absolutely blown away by it, you know.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and he's he was fit. You know, he
Speaker 3: works out on a regular basis. He does a lot
Speaker 3: of the TPI stuff and all that definitely helps you
Speaker 3: need you need to have all the aspects. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's pretty cool to see the range open. And
Speaker 3: then you're not only opening range, but you're you're increasing
Speaker 3: the strength and the contractile the contractability of the muscle
Speaker 3: as well. So when you call on those they're they're
Speaker 3: doing what you wanted to do, and it gives you
Speaker 3: the range, it gives you that motion that you need.
Speaker 1: So Matt is not instead of it's in addition to
Speaker 1: correct everything else that you're doing exactly.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you're still you still need to
Speaker 3: be going to the gym and working out and you know,
Speaker 3: and making sure you're practicing all your skills on the
Speaker 3: golf course and all of that it's not like some
Speaker 3: magic fix that you're just gonna like, Oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: dom at and now I'm gonna.
Speaker 4: Go shoot bar.
Speaker 3: Really unfortunately, that's not quite I was so excited.
Speaker 1: Now I'm bummed.
Speaker 4: Sorry to disappoint.
Speaker 1: Give me some ideas of obviously what he did. But
Speaker 1: what other benefits for golfers do we do we find
Speaker 1: with Matt Okay?
Speaker 3: Uh, the hips hips are another big, big, big thing
Speaker 3: is getting the range of motion in your hips to open.
Speaker 3: And a lot of times you'll see, you know, you
Speaker 3: might have an external limitation on one side or internal
Speaker 3: limitation on the other that we could by balancing those out,
Speaker 3: you're going to get the hips to open. You're gonna
Speaker 3: be able to follow through and get the turn that
Speaker 3: you need through that. Uh, that's you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: really the biggest benefit is just giving you the range
Speaker 3: and giving and the muscles working in the way that.
Speaker 4: They're supposed to.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's hard to explain, how you know, until
Speaker 3: you get on the table and you actually experience it.
Speaker 4: You know. It's like I've talked.
Speaker 3: To so many people and I was like, just just
Speaker 3: come and experience it for one time and It's really
Speaker 3: crazy what they.
Speaker 4: Response that they get.
Speaker 3: It's they're they're just they're like, are you sure you're
Speaker 3: pushing is hard? They're they're always questioning me, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it's you're getting stronger on the table.
Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't hurt when you're doing it. I
Speaker 1: mean because then I are you sure you're doing something
Speaker 1: over there? Because I don't feel a thing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Is that what's going on? Well?
Speaker 4: I wish it was. I wish it was that simple.
Speaker 3: There are some some of them can be a little
Speaker 3: tender and stuff, but as far as like the muscle testing,
Speaker 3: they have a tendency to say, you're not pushing as hard.
Speaker 3: So the second time around they're saying, are you really
Speaker 3: testing that muscle? The same as for or I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you I'm pushing harder than I.
Speaker 4: Was, Like do you want me to test harder? I will?
Speaker 4: You know, they're always questioning, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, no, I'm telling you it's the same force that
Speaker 3: I was applying for, if not more. You know, So
Speaker 3: I'm always I'm always getting accused of are you sure?
Speaker 4: Are you sure?
Speaker 3: But yeah, so it's uh, you know, it's it's also
Speaker 3: it's gonna make your swing more consistent.
Speaker 4: That's the other thing it's going to give. It's going
Speaker 4: to give you.
Speaker 3: It's going to give you a more consistent swing because
Speaker 3: your swing path, you're not going to have to adjust
Speaker 3: for the muscles that aren't firing properly, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3: You know, So you know the swing path your body
Speaker 3: needs to be in, and you're trying to keep that
Speaker 3: and if your body doesn't want you to go in
Speaker 3: that path, it's going to figure out ways to compensate.
Speaker 4: The body's brilliant at that, so it might you might.
Speaker 3: Have a tendency then to lift your head because you're
Speaker 3: trying to get into a position to turn all the
Speaker 3: way through. So then you're lifting your head and your
Speaker 3: shoulders to get that range where if the muscles are
Speaker 3: working the right way, you're able to swing through without
Speaker 3: having to lift up to get into the range that
Speaker 3: you're trying to get into.
Speaker 1: You know, on all all the teachers that I've interviewed
Speaker 1: on this program, and I always ask what do people
Speaker 1: ask for when they come in? You know, like I
Speaker 1: want to It's always I want to be more consistent,
Speaker 1: I want more distance, right, you're telling me that you're
Speaker 1: going to get both of those from this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really do.
Speaker 3: My fiance says, if I work on him before, it's
Speaker 3: probably at least a four to five stroke difference in
Speaker 3: his game.
Speaker 1: Oh man, and that's big. You know that's big because
Speaker 1: that's on the that's on the long end of the club,
Speaker 1: not the putting part. I'm sure, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Going to tell you too. He's kind of a whip,
Speaker 3: so he does not like to get work done. So
Speaker 3: if he's asking me to work on him, he's you know,
Speaker 3: it makes a difference in his game.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you, Laura, But you've been bad
Speaker 1: mouthing that guy all this entire program. Now now you're me.
Speaker 1: You're you called him a whim. I cannot wait, and
Speaker 1: of course you're not saying his name, but I can't
Speaker 1: wait till he hears this show and on his commute
Speaker 1: and he comes home and says, what were you saying
Speaker 1: about me? He's right, and we don't know who he is,
Speaker 1: but we'll figure it out. So how does this differ
Speaker 1: than all the other kinds of therapies that we can
Speaker 1: do for ourselves, you know, from chiropractors to physical therapist.
Speaker 1: Why how does this differ?
Speaker 4: How is it different?
Speaker 3: Uh? The bottom line is we're we're trying to strengthen
Speaker 3: versus and physical therapy. They do a combination of strengthening
Speaker 3: and stretching and stuff like that. Chiropractor they adjust the
Speaker 3: skeletal system. We focus on the muscles. We're one hundred
Speaker 3: percent muscle. That's the only thing.
Speaker 4: We work on. So that's how that different differs.
Speaker 3: There massage, they're going after the tightness. Typically they're trying
Speaker 3: to get rid of the tightness. But like we spoke earlier,
Speaker 3: that tightness wants to keep coming back because it's trying
Speaker 3: to protect for the weakness. So if that weakness still
Speaker 3: exists and you're not getting that communication, it's going to
Speaker 3: that tightness keeps coming back, keeps coming back, keeps coming back.
Speaker 1: So on on something like I have with the sciatica,
Speaker 1: which is nerve based right yep from the spine. With
Speaker 1: this verse versus you're saying chiropractor skeletal your muscle. Would
Speaker 1: this be actually better for me than then seeing a chiropractor?
Speaker 4: Well, it's a combination of things.
Speaker 3: And I work with people that i'll see that I'll
Speaker 3: see a chiropractor and also see me which it can
Speaker 3: work together. These modalities can work great together sometimes too.
Speaker 3: The chiropractor gets you in a ligne. We get the
Speaker 3: muscles working that are probably pulling your skeletal system back
Speaker 3: out of line. Oh so, it's just it's one of
Speaker 3: those things if you get if you're put into alignment,
Speaker 3: those muscles aren't firing the right way, it's going to
Speaker 3: start pulling you back out on a regular basis, you know.
Speaker 3: So what we're trying to do is get the muscles
Speaker 3: to work the right way so they don't start pulling
Speaker 3: you back out of that alignment.
Speaker 1: Okay, And what kind of exercises would complement this or
Speaker 1: should we avoid? Uh, if we're doing that, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Say that you should avoid any exercises unless there's a
Speaker 3: real specific issue that you're having, and that would be
Speaker 3: then your ma at specialists would probably tell you, you know what,
Speaker 3: let's stray away from this.
Speaker 4: But in general, our goal is to have you being.
Speaker 3: Able to go out there and do all these activities,
Speaker 3: increasing what your body can handle, so your body will
Speaker 3: be able to tolerate more and more force. The one
Speaker 3: thing maybe is taking any stretches to the extreme. I
Speaker 3: always tell people when they're going through their stretching routines,
Speaker 3: make sure you're actively going through those stretching routines. Try
Speaker 3: not to use a lot of excess outside force because
Speaker 3: it's me So, if you're stretching and you're using let's
Speaker 3: say a yoga strap or you're using a wall to
Speaker 3: stretch out your shoulder, if you're pushing excessively on that,
Speaker 3: now you're trying to push yourself way past where your
Speaker 3: body wants you to get, and that can create more
Speaker 3: instability in that joint. Granted, it's given you that temp
Speaker 3: rary relief where it feels better, but it can actually
Speaker 3: you can actually lose the contractile ability of the muscle. So,
Speaker 3: because what happens is you create you stretch that muscle
Speaker 3: too far, you can create slack in the muscle, and
Speaker 3: that's not necessarily a good thing. It might temporarily feel
Speaker 3: like you're a little bit more open, but you might
Speaker 3: not have the control, you might not have the stability
Speaker 3: of that joint. So now you might be giving yourself
Speaker 3: more range, but the question is are you stable in
Speaker 3: that range that you're giving yourself?
Speaker 1: I got it, now, Okay, that makes sense. So you
Speaker 1: said you're in the Chicago area.
Speaker 4: I am.
Speaker 1: And we've got this global audience of golf smarter listeners
Speaker 1: that are going to be showing up on your doorstep
Speaker 1: now because they want more length and more consistency. I
Speaker 1: hope it may not be practical, but hopefully. I know
Speaker 1: we have obviously have some listeners in Chicago and they'll
Speaker 1: become knocking on your door too. But how long has
Speaker 1: this been going on? When when did this get started?
Speaker 4: M AT has been around I think about twelve.
Speaker 1: Years, Okay, so it's relatively new.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you the story of most most people
Speaker 3: I know, Greg tells the story is he had back problems.
Speaker 3: He had serious back problems from playing football and everything else,
Speaker 3: and he just wasn't he wasn't happy with the results
Speaker 3: he was getting from all the modalities out there. So
Speaker 3: he kept looking for more and started working with biomechanics
Speaker 3: specialists and you know, neurospecialists and trying to sort out
Speaker 3: how can what component are we missing? And what he
Speaker 3: sorted out it was that muscular component. We're not getting
Speaker 3: those muscles to work the right way, and that's where
Speaker 3: the problem's coming from. So a lot of the m
Speaker 3: AT specialists out there have my story where we've we've
Speaker 3: been there, we've had the issues, we've we've this was
Speaker 3: our quest to fix ourselves and you know, and now
Speaker 3: we're able to help other people as well.
Speaker 1: And how can we obviously here, I am in California,
Speaker 1: in Chicago, I'm not I'm sorry, but I'm not coming
Speaker 1: to have you do this work. How do we find
Speaker 1: somebody locally?
Speaker 4: You can go to muscle activation dot com.
Speaker 3: Okay, that is the main website, and there is a
Speaker 3: part that you can click on it says find a
Speaker 3: specialist in your area.
Speaker 4: Oh perfect, and they'll.
Speaker 3: Have a list listed by state and then you know,
Speaker 3: obviously Campine a city that's close to you. They have
Speaker 3: you know, emails and phone number contacts for all the
Speaker 3: specialists out there. And the cool thing is is like
Speaker 3: they're still Greg is not stopping on this ma AT
Speaker 3: he's made. He's finding ways to make it so that
Speaker 3: the muscles hold longer. You know that we're getting longer
Speaker 3: lasting results. The guy's amazing when it comes to research.
Speaker 3: He just he he's never happy with what he has.
Speaker 3: And so we're constantly going back and learning more and
Speaker 3: learning more and ways to make it all better.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And what about your website? Where do we
Speaker 1: find more information? Forum from you? About you?
Speaker 3: You can find me at the body tech dot com
Speaker 3: and it's t h E b O d y t
Speaker 3: e K dot com.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Laura, thank you so much. Congratulations on being engaged
Speaker 1: to a whimp.
Speaker 4: He's gotta love that.
Speaker 1: And hate me and uh, and thank you again for
Speaker 1: reaching out and for sharing this information. This is really
Speaker 1: valuable stuff. I truly appreciate it, and best of luck
Speaker 1: to you, and I hope you find a date.
Speaker 4: We'll work on it. We'll work on it.