1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: For members only. Golf Smarter number three hundred and ninety one, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,919 published on July to twenty thirteen. 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,719 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:22,760 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets old. Our 6 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:27,640 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,320 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,439 Speaker 3: If you have all the muscles firing on all cylinders, 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,399 it's amazing how your body will respond and things will 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,320 feel a lot less of an effort for you. When 11 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:43,640 everything's firing one hundred percent, like you doing a squad. 12 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:45,799 Speaker 4: You feel like you have like super strength. 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,039 Speaker 3: Actually, I've gone out and like whether it's playing golf 14 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:51,920 or gone out and wakeboard it. After I've had sessions done, 15 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:55,000 your body knows internally what is supposed to do. When 16 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,200 you've practiced enough, And when I go out there and 17 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,479 I've had maat done, it feels like it's effortless. 18 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:00,479 Speaker 4: I don't have to think about it. 19 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:02,679 Speaker 3: My body just does it because everything's fire. 20 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:03,359 Speaker 4: In all cylinders. 21 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 3: And I'm sure you've had those days where you've gone 22 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,319 out and it just seems like everything's an effort. 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 4: It's not effortless. It feels like you're struggling for every swing. 24 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,439 Speaker 3: You're struggling for everything that you're doing, and you can't 25 00:01:14,439 --> 00:01:15,120 figure out why. 26 00:01:20,719 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: Muscle activation technique therapy for more consistency and distance. This 27 00:01:25,719 --> 00:01:30,319 is Golf Smarter. Laura Loreman, Welcome to Golf Smarter for 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,079 members only. 29 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 4: Hi, friend, how are you? 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: I'm doing fine? Thank you so much for reaching out 31 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,280 and wanting to come on to the podcast. How the 32 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,680 heck did you find Golf Smarter. 33 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:46,599 Speaker 4: Through my fiance. He actually turned me on to it. 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,879 Speaker 3: And I'm a golfer myself, and I've also had a 35 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,799 lot of joint issues and stuff, so it was kind 36 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:56,200 of one of those things I work with golfers to 37 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,959 try to make them feel better, and I just kind 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,159 of thought it would be kind of a cool venture 39 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:05,000 to get on a podcast and let people know how 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,920 muscle activation techniques can help their golf game. 41 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 4: You know, it's something that a lot of people have never. 42 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: Heard of, right, and and we're talking about muscle activation techniques. Correct, Okay, 43 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,680 for before I ask you what exactly that means. First 44 00:02:20,719 --> 00:02:25,240 of all, congratulations on being engaged. And you obviously a 45 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:30,479 very smart guy. If he found golf smarter, good for him, 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,400 Good for you, Thank you, thank you. So you have 47 00:02:33,479 --> 00:02:35,639 a date set, No. 48 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:36,479 Speaker 4: We're not going to go there. 49 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:42,719 Speaker 1: Okay, smart and so who's got the commitment folk? Okay, 50 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,479 So let's talk about muscle that's. 51 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,479 Speaker 4: A whole other podcast. 52 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's on the Mommy podcast. So let's let's 53 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:56,360 talk about muscle activation technique or matt right, Yes. 54 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,599 Speaker 4: Yep, yep. That's the easiest way to refer to it. 55 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,240 We refer to it as m AT. 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,199 Speaker 1: Okay, And what is it that you do and that 57 00:03:04,319 --> 00:03:07,120 got you to muscle activation technique? To make way? 58 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 3: So I started, I started out as a personal trainer. 59 00:03:11,759 --> 00:03:16,080 Prior to that, I actually competed wakeboarding professionally for eight years. 60 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:18,840 And I don't know if you're familiar with wakeboarding some 61 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:22,439 people may not be. It's basically like snowboarding behind a boat, 62 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,360 but you know, lots of flips, a lot of impact. 63 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,840 I had all kinds of joint issues myself, whether I've 64 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:33,199 had two ACL surgeries, I've had hip problems and back 65 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,439 problems and shoulder issues, and I. 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: Have many problems. 67 00:03:37,919 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: That's what I thought I was like, there's got to 68 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,400 be an answer out there, and I was a massage junkie. 69 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,000 I went to the chiropractor, I went for acupuncture, and 70 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:49,599 not that there wasn't anything wrong with those. They helped 71 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:51,759 me to a point, but I just felt like there 72 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,759 had to be something. 73 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 4: More out there. 74 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 3: Sure, So that was kind of it's my quest to 75 00:03:56,599 --> 00:03:58,800 make myself feel better, is kind of how I came 76 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:04,120 across it. When I quit competing, I went back to 77 00:04:04,199 --> 00:04:07,080 what I had gone to school for, which was exercise science. 78 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,080 So I started doing some personal training and I got 79 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:16,319 introduced to MT through my boss at the time, and he, 80 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,279 you know, he used to give me a hard time 81 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:20,920 because I was always trying to stretch and do yoga 82 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,439 and trying to get rid of the tightness in my body, 83 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,000 and all it. 84 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,079 Speaker 4: Did was kept coming back. 85 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,319 Speaker 3: And so he introduced me to the MT and he 86 00:04:29,399 --> 00:04:32,079 started working on me, and it was night and day 87 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,519 difference the way my body started feeling. I was starting 88 00:04:34,519 --> 00:04:38,040 to get long term effects instead of it being every 89 00:04:38,079 --> 00:04:40,279 single day I had to go through and try to 90 00:04:40,319 --> 00:04:43,439 stretch out those same muscles over and over and over again, 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,240 and my body just started turning around and moving forward. 92 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,360 And it was about a year after the work that 93 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,720 I had, you know, I started getting I decided to 94 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,680 get certified in the program myself and it's it's, you know, 95 00:04:57,759 --> 00:05:00,000 become a career path for me and I'm helping people 96 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,879 and I feel like it's changed my life and I'm 97 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:04,279 changing other people's lives. 98 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: Awesome, that's fabulous. Congratulations. It sounds interesting because I've been 99 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,519 a long time. If you've listened to the show and 100 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,959 you said that you have, I've been a longtime advocate 101 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,600 of yoga yea and practitioner, and it's helped. But I 102 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,800 still have lower back issues. I think I have siatica 103 00:05:22,879 --> 00:05:26,399 is basically my biggest issue is my sciatica. And like 104 00:05:26,519 --> 00:05:29,959 yesterday I was. I played eighteen holes yesterday on a 105 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:33,560 course out here in northern California, very hilly course. It's 106 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,519 a tough walks. It's five and a half close to 107 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:43,120 six mile walk and there are many hills, so much 108 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,759 so one of the hills is so extreme that between 109 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,879 number thirteen and number fourteen you have to take an 110 00:05:47,959 --> 00:05:49,639 elevator up the side of the hill. 111 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,199 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, that's a little extreme, right. 112 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: So I mean, like if you're in a golf cart 113 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,480 lazy fools wide, so many people. If you're in a 114 00:05:56,519 --> 00:05:58,279 golf cart, you can drive up a path. But if 115 00:05:58,319 --> 00:06:00,879 you're walking like I was, they give you elevator up 116 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:01,959 the side of a hill. 117 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,399 Speaker 4: That's great. 118 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: And it's very cool. I took some pictures of going, 119 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,480 all right, this is the most unique spot of most 120 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:14,040 most unique golf spot in Marin County. But anyway, so 121 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:17,839 after that, you know, walking those hills, my hips started 122 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:19,839 hurting me again and like I had to stretch it 123 00:06:19,879 --> 00:06:22,639 out and it was like it affected my swing and 124 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,399 you know, yep, so all those things. So I'm intrigued. 125 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,240 I want to know some of the research that you 126 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,079 send me talks about Peyton Manning. 127 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Greg, Greg rosstop. He's actually the founder of 128 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,360 M A t H. He's based out in Denver and 129 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:45,959 so hence you know Peyton Manning being out there. He 130 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,879 works with the Denver Broncos and some of the other 131 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,439 sports teams out there, and Peyton Manning has had the 132 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,439 work done and you know that's how he came back 133 00:06:53,439 --> 00:06:55,959 from his his next surgery. That was a big, a 134 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,759 big part of his recovery and you know he's back 135 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,800 playing professional football. I mean, that's a lot of impact 136 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,240 and to be able to do that after next surgery, 137 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:04,959 that's huge. 138 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:08,199 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, for those who aren't familiar with Peyton 139 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,839 Manning is he's one of the all time great quarterbacks 140 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:17,160 in history in American football and he had next surgery. 141 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,000 It affected his game tremendously and then he had to 142 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:25,040 have the surgery and the team said, yeah, I don't 143 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,480 think you're ever going to come back. You're too old 144 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,000 for this, and so they let him go and he 145 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,839 was picked up by another team and he came back 146 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:30,759 and had a great year. 147 00:07:31,399 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 148 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:34,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty impassive, and you know, when 149 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:37,600 you're dealing with injuries at that level, it's something that 150 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:40,720 you're gonna have to probably, you know, keep getting the 151 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,959 muscle activation done because now you're dealing with a structural 152 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,120 change in there. But it's it's something that also allows 153 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,560 you to keep doing the things that you love to do. 154 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:49,399 M hm. 155 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:55,319 Speaker 1: And so now explain to me what is Matt. 156 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,759 Speaker 3: Okay So muscle activation techniques, it's it's different from other 157 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,120 modalities because our main focus is not on the tightness 158 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:04,680 in the body. 159 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 4: A lot of. 160 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:09,759 Speaker 3: Things such as yoga and massage and you know other 161 00:08:09,839 --> 00:08:12,720 modalities they're they're focusing on that tightness and trying to 162 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:13,680 get rid of the tightness. 163 00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:17,439 Speaker 4: The whole philosophy, the whole philosophy behind. 164 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:20,879 Speaker 3: Muscle activation techniques is that the tightness is there because 165 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,480 it's the protective mechanism of the body. The body's trying 166 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:29,120 to stabilize a joint that has instability in it, So 167 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,800 that tightness always wants to come back because the stability, 168 00:08:31,879 --> 00:08:34,600 that instability is still there. So what we do is 169 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:37,519 we use the tightness as a guide as to where 170 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:41,919 the instability is. But our focus is on figuring out 171 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,120 which muscles aren't contracting the right way, which ones are 172 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:48,559 basically like misfiring and they're not getting the communication from 173 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,200 the nervous system properly. So what happens is then the 174 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,720 body starts to compensate, it starts to tighten up, it 175 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,879 starts to protect the joint because there's this imbalance going on. 176 00:08:57,879 --> 00:09:00,000 So what we're what our goal is is to figure 177 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,559 out which muscles aren't firing the right way, and then 178 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,679 we actually do a hands on stimulation of the muscle 179 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:08,200 where the muscle attaches. So we're going in with our 180 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,919 with the hands so a lot of people would compare 181 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,960 it to massage in that sense, but it's not really 182 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,799 because we don't deal with the tightness or the body 183 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,080 of the muscle. We only go to where the muscle 184 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,720 attaches and that actually sends a signal to the nervous 185 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,240 system and we get that communication going and it actually 186 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:28,080 you'll see that instant result on the table, which is 187 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:28,639 pretty cool. 188 00:09:29,799 --> 00:09:33,279 Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, go let's move on to 189 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,600 that one. You see instant results on the table. 190 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,759 Speaker 3: You do so for instance, So we start with the 191 00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:43,879 range of motion exam and then from there we decide 192 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:46,840 let's say it's your internal rotation or your hip is 193 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,799 really is really limited compared to the other side. Okay, 194 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:52,360 so what I'm going to do is I'll go through 195 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:55,240 and I will actually do a muscle test for every 196 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,000 single muscle that can take you into internal rotation with 197 00:09:58,039 --> 00:10:01,879 that hip. And if the muscle test's strong, we leave 198 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:05,039 it alone, we don't touch it. If it tests weak, 199 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,120 then we go in and do this hands on stimulation. 200 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,240 We go back and retest the muscle and that muscle 201 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,320 will test solid. 202 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:13,759 Speaker 1: Hmm. 203 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:18,519 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty fascinating. Like I see the most amazing 204 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,600 things every day on the table and it just blows 205 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:20,960 me away. 206 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:24,279 Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, it's pretty cool. 207 00:10:24,279 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 3: And as you get through all those muscles, you actually 208 00:10:27,159 --> 00:10:29,000 will start to see the range of motion open up 209 00:10:29,039 --> 00:10:32,639 as well, because the body stops it, lets go of 210 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:36,200 that protective mechanism and says, okay, I'm sensing stability in here. 211 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,960 Now I'll give you the range that you want. So 212 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,039 it lets it, lets that joint actually open up and 213 00:10:42,919 --> 00:10:43,639 give you the range. 214 00:10:49,639 --> 00:10:52,639 Speaker 1: This is so interesting, I thought. 215 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:53,799 Speaker 4: So that's why I got into it. 216 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: How can these explained to me? The muscle imbalance? 217 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 4: Okay, the muscle and balance. 218 00:11:02,639 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: So there's there's so many different things that can cause it, 219 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:09,440 you know, there's Unfortunately we don't have the answers. Everybody asks, well, 220 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:12,120 why does the why does the muscle lose the communication? 221 00:11:12,279 --> 00:11:15,240 Why does it lose that? It could be injury, It 222 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:18,559 could be overuse. It could be repetitive motion with which 223 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,279 we get in a lot of sports. It could be 224 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,600 partly the aging process, you know, just our body's natural 225 00:11:24,639 --> 00:11:28,320 aging process as we use it. And if you don't 226 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:30,720 continue to get that maintenance done, it's kind of like 227 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:33,200 as if we're like the muscle mechanics, we kind of 228 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,039 tune up the muscular system, and it's like driving your car. 229 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,799 If you never get it tuned up, that car is 230 00:11:37,799 --> 00:11:38,519 not going to last. 231 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: Did you just say that we can turn back the 232 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,639 aging process? Is that what you're implying? Kind of Okay, 233 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,360 you just got a lot of people signing up. I 234 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,200 can guarantee that. 235 00:11:49,279 --> 00:11:52,639 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'm telling you, I feel better than 236 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,320 I did two years ago when I started getting this 237 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,879 this work done. I look back and I'm like, I've 238 00:11:57,919 --> 00:12:00,720 come such a long way, and I've had a lot, 239 00:12:00,759 --> 00:12:04,519 Like I said, I've had a pile of issues, you know, 240 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,279 Like I said, from two ACL surgeries, to hit problems, 241 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,799 to shoulder problems and even back problems. And when I 242 00:12:11,879 --> 00:12:14,639 look at where I was, I still have work to 243 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,639 go for myself. But when I look back, I am 244 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,799 so much better than I than I was two three 245 00:12:19,879 --> 00:12:20,320 years ago. 246 00:12:20,799 --> 00:12:23,399 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, So when you say you have you still 247 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,480 have work to do? This is an ongoing process. Or 248 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,320 at some point can you be I'm done. I think 249 00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:31,080 it's all better. 250 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 4: Now, Well are you going to stop using your body? 251 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: Uh? At some point? Yeah, Well. 252 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,279 Speaker 4: That's the terminal end. 253 00:12:40,279 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 3: But you know what happens is and this is what 254 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,159 I tell people when I start working with them, I say, 255 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,200 give me a give me a chance. 256 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 4: Let's let's go. 257 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,799 Speaker 3: Whether it's I might say, if you can, if you 258 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,960 can do once a week to start, and let's get 259 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,679 through the main issues that you have. Let's say it's 260 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,320 a hit problem, or you're sciatica or whatever that is. 261 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,480 We don't treat. We don't treat specific things such as saiatica. 262 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,240 We look for that and balance. But let's say let's 263 00:13:06,279 --> 00:13:08,399 try to get through your major issue areas where you 264 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,960 really feel like you have that problem. Let's get you 265 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,519 moving where you feel like you're making that progress, and 266 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,360 then from there you can kind of tone it down 267 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:18,759 where it becomes a maintenance thing for you. So if 268 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:21,440 you know a lot of people, I get them initially 269 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,919 because they have some kind of major issue, but you 270 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:26,840 know they can definitely. I have people that come and 271 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:29,159 see me once a month, they see me, you know, 272 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,840 once every six weeks. But then I also have the 273 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,279 people that just love it and they come see me 274 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,159 every week. So it's you know, it can be adjusted. 275 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:39,240 You're going to get a benefit no matter how often 276 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:39,759 you use it. 277 00:13:40,919 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: And this is not something like I can go do 278 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:44,039 yoga by myself. 279 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:45,759 Speaker 4: Yes you can every day. 280 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: This is not something I can do. I can learn 281 00:13:49,039 --> 00:13:51,320 and take care of myself. I need to have a 282 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,639 mat therapist person, So. 283 00:13:56,799 --> 00:13:59,639 Speaker 4: Ideally is to have m AT specials to work with. 284 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 3: Now are isometric exercises that you can do on your own, 285 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:06,600 which I have incorporated into a lot of my client's routines. 286 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,759 So that helps them kind of maintain a lot of 287 00:14:09,759 --> 00:14:10,600 the things that they're doing. 288 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: And you'll see it. 289 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:15,279 Speaker 1: Maintains the flexibility or the loosness of yep. 290 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 3: So the isometric contractions that you can do can actually 291 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,320 help increase range emotion as well and can help strengthen 292 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,639 the muscle. What you have to understand is what we're 293 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:27,159 working on too, is we're working on the communication part 294 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,720 of the muscle. So we're trying to make the muscle 295 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,840 communicate properly so that it maintains the proper tension so 296 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:37,240 when you apply force to it, it knows it responds immediately. 297 00:14:38,759 --> 00:14:41,919 So you can go through and you can strength train 298 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,799 and do all these other things. But sometimes you're reinforcing 299 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:48,879 the compensation that's happening in your body already. 300 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: I know that for some sports that say you're doing 301 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:57,639 weight training, you can go a little bit overboard and 302 00:14:57,679 --> 00:14:59,679 it prevents range of motion. 303 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,279 Speaker 3: Correct correct because then again you're you're surpassing what the 304 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,240 muscles can handle. It then has a tendency to cause 305 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,639 you to tighten up, and it can it can limit 306 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:15,320 your performance, you know, overperform. I mean overtraining could be 307 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:18,320 your own worst enemy as well. You know, like you 308 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,320 can have undertraining and overtraining and it's you got to 309 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,279 find that happy balance. You need the rest time, you 310 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,759 need the recovery time. And that's the nice thing about 311 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,360 m A T as well. It's it's one of those 312 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:32,120 things that you can do on your off day. You 313 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:33,600 can you can do it on your off day, you 314 00:15:33,639 --> 00:15:37,200 can do it prior to going out and performing. It's 315 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,080 it doesn't have to be an after the fact thing 316 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:41,919 because it's going to make you, uh, make improve your 317 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,320 improve your performance basically, so it's. 318 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,799 Speaker 1: Not necessarily reactive. You can be proactive on this correct 319 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:51,240 correct And if you if you say you're let's go 320 00:15:51,279 --> 00:15:53,720 back to the weight training idea again and you're doing 321 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,519 the weight training, you're pushing yourself. Can the muscle activation 322 00:15:58,679 --> 00:16:02,919 technique MATT, Can it help you like break through and 323 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,919 even go farther in your your goals of whatever sport 324 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:07,320 you're doing. 325 00:16:07,639 --> 00:16:11,759 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, because if you have all the muscles firing 326 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:15,360 on all cylinders, it's amazing how your body will respond 327 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,200 and things will. 328 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 4: Feel a lot lot less of an effort for you. 329 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: Like when everything's firing one hundred percent, like you doing 330 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:25,799 a squat, you feel like you have like super strength. 331 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 4: Actually, it's it's pretty crazy how. 332 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:30,919 Speaker 3: I've gone out and like whether it's playing golf or 333 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,960 gone out and wakeboarded, after I've had sessions done and 334 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,000 your body knows internally what it's supposed to do when 335 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,720 you've practiced enough, And when I go out there and 336 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,799 I've had mat done, it's just it feels like it's effortless. 337 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:44,759 Speaker 4: I don't have to think about it. 338 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:47,879 Speaker 3: My body just does it because everything's fire in all cylinders. 339 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:51,399 And if my body's out of line, and I'm sure 340 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:53,279 you've had those days where you've gone out and it 341 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,480 just seems like everything's an effort, like you cannot it's 342 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:58,720 not effortless. 343 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:00,759 Speaker 4: It feels like you're struggling for every swing. 344 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:03,879 Speaker 3: You're struggling for everything that you're doing, and you can't 345 00:17:03,879 --> 00:17:04,599 figure out why. 346 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've seen me play. 347 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 4: So but yeah. 348 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: So that's the cool thing about it is not only 349 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,160 does it it improves the performance, but it uh, you know, 350 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,640 it takes all your practice that you're that you're doing 351 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,240 out there, whether it's on the course, whether it's in 352 00:17:25,279 --> 00:17:27,680 the gym, and it actually. 353 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 4: Just it it improves all of that. It makes it 354 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:32,440 that much easier. 355 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's talk about golfers. Let's talk about 356 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,960 matt and golfers, and let's what do you see as 357 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,680 a golfer, but also working with golfers who have this 358 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,480 and they come in, do you see something consistent that's 359 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:50,960 going on in the imbalance that's happening in muscles? 360 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know a lot of times one of the 361 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,039 biggest things is you'll put people on the table and 362 00:17:56,079 --> 00:17:59,480 you'll see rotation issues in the trunk or hip and 363 00:17:59,559 --> 00:18:01,680 balance and those are both things. I mean, you need 364 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,119 your hips to be able to open and you need 365 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,000 to be able to rotate through through the trunk so 366 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:11,319 that you can create the proper forces through and that's 367 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:12,519 a lot of people's limitation. 368 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 4: If they cannot perform the motion that they're supposed to. 369 00:18:16,079 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: You you can go and get lessons every day and 370 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,799 try to do that over and over again. But if 371 00:18:19,839 --> 00:18:22,480 your body doesn't want you to do the motion, it's 372 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,200 not going to you know. So obviously you need to 373 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,920 have the lessons, you need to have all of that 374 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,960 because you have to have those proper skills, but then 375 00:18:31,079 --> 00:18:33,200 you also need your body to be able to perform 376 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,799 those skills. So that's how that's how the muscle activation 377 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:40,240 can come in into play with improving that improving your 378 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,079 golf performance. 379 00:18:42,039 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: And so what things do you see specifically that are 380 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,119 consistent with golfers that Matt helps the benefits. 381 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 4: Okay, so the big thing is opening up trunk rotation. 382 00:18:54,799 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 3: I actually work with a golf pro up in the 383 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,880 Illinois area here and the first time I got him 384 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,039 on the table, uh you know, we sat him down 385 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:04,559 and his. 386 00:19:04,519 --> 00:19:11,319 Speaker 4: Rotation to the right it's good. Yeah, his backswing was great. 387 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 3: His rotation to the left like about half half half 388 00:19:16,759 --> 00:19:18,880 of what his rotation to the right was. 389 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: And so I worked on him. 390 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 3: He actually went out and played that afternoon, and this 391 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,039 was the first time I had worked on him. He 392 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:30,960 he said it was unbelievable to him just how easy, 393 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,839 how easy his motion was. He couldn't believe the range 394 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,799 that he had and he said he actually had an 395 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:39,319 amazing round, you know, and that was working on him 396 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,519 that same morning. So it's definitely and that was his 397 00:19:42,519 --> 00:19:44,200 first session, first session. 398 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:47,559 Speaker 1: That's a heck of a testimonial, it is. It is. 399 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 3: It's like he's he's absolutely blown away by it, you know. 400 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:53,960 And yeah, and he's he was fit. You know, he 401 00:19:54,079 --> 00:19:56,160 works out on a regular basis. He does a lot 402 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,319 of the TPI stuff and all that definitely helps you 403 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,000 need you need to have all the aspects. But you know, 404 00:20:03,079 --> 00:20:05,400 it's it's pretty cool to see the range open. And 405 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,079 then you're not only opening range, but you're you're increasing 406 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,680 the strength and the contractile the contractability of the muscle 407 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,839 as well. So when you call on those they're they're 408 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,559 doing what you wanted to do, and it gives you 409 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:22,160 the range, it gives you that motion that you need. 410 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: So Matt is not instead of it's in addition to 411 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,680 correct everything else that you're doing exactly. 412 00:20:31,559 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you're still you still need to 413 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,680 be going to the gym and working out and you know, 414 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:38,440 and making sure you're practicing all your skills on the 415 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,519 golf course and all of that it's not like some 416 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,519 magic fix that you're just gonna like, Oh, I'm gonna 417 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:43,880 dom at and now I'm gonna. 418 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:44,319 Speaker 4: Go shoot bar. 419 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: Really unfortunately, that's not quite I was so excited. 420 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: Now I'm bummed. 421 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 4: Sorry to disappoint. 422 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: Give me some ideas of obviously what he did. But 423 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,480 what other benefits for golfers do we do we find 424 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:08,400 with Matt Okay? 425 00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:12,519 Speaker 3: Uh, the hips hips are another big, big, big thing 426 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,640 is getting the range of motion in your hips to open. 427 00:21:16,839 --> 00:21:18,880 And a lot of times you'll see, you know, you 428 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,640 might have an external limitation on one side or internal 429 00:21:21,799 --> 00:21:26,359 limitation on the other that we could by balancing those out, 430 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,279 you're going to get the hips to open. You're gonna 431 00:21:28,279 --> 00:21:31,279 be able to follow through and get the turn that 432 00:21:31,319 --> 00:21:34,720 you need through that. Uh, that's you know, it's it's 433 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:38,160 really the biggest benefit is just giving you the range 434 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,039 and giving and the muscles working in the way that. 435 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 4: They're supposed to. 436 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,759 Speaker 3: It's it's it's hard to explain, how you know, until 437 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:49,240 you get on the table and you actually experience it. 438 00:21:49,319 --> 00:21:50,559 Speaker 4: You know. It's like I've talked. 439 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,279 Speaker 3: To so many people and I was like, just just 440 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,039 come and experience it for one time and It's really 441 00:21:57,079 --> 00:21:58,359 crazy what they. 442 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 4: Response that they get. 443 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,319 Speaker 3: It's they're they're just they're like, are you sure you're 444 00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:05,960 pushing is hard? They're they're always questioning me, and I'm like, no, 445 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:09,839 I'm telling you, it's you're getting stronger on the table. 446 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't hurt when you're doing it. I 447 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,599 mean because then I are you sure you're doing something 448 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:15,799 over there? Because I don't feel a thing? 449 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:16,039 Speaker 3: Right? 450 00:22:16,079 --> 00:22:17,559 Speaker 1: Is that what's going on? Well? 451 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 4: I wish it was. I wish it was that simple. 452 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:22,079 Speaker 3: There are some some of them can be a little 453 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,640 tender and stuff, but as far as like the muscle testing, 454 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,119 they have a tendency to say, you're not pushing as hard. 455 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,880 So the second time around they're saying, are you really 456 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,640 testing that muscle? The same as for or I'm like, 457 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,240 I'm telling you I'm pushing harder than I. 458 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:37,319 Speaker 4: Was, Like do you want me to test harder? I will? 459 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,759 You know, they're always questioning, I'm. 460 00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 3: Like, no, I'm telling you it's the same force that 461 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,359 I was applying for, if not more. You know, So 462 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,599 I'm always I'm always getting accused of are you sure? 463 00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:49,559 Speaker 4: Are you sure? 464 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:56,039 Speaker 3: But yeah, so it's uh, you know, it's it's also 465 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,000 it's gonna make your swing more consistent. 466 00:22:58,319 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 4: That's the other thing it's going to give. It's going 467 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:00,440 to give you. 468 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,559 Speaker 3: It's going to give you a more consistent swing because 469 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,480 your swing path, you're not going to have to adjust 470 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:08,759 for the muscles that aren't firing properly, if that makes sense. 471 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,400 You know, So you know the swing path your body 472 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,119 needs to be in, and you're trying to keep that 473 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,519 and if your body doesn't want you to go in 474 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:19,000 that path, it's going to figure out ways to compensate. 475 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 4: The body's brilliant at that, so it might you might. 476 00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 3: Have a tendency then to lift your head because you're 477 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,160 trying to get into a position to turn all the 478 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,119 way through. So then you're lifting your head and your 479 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,400 shoulders to get that range where if the muscles are 480 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,640 working the right way, you're able to swing through without 481 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,240 having to lift up to get into the range that 482 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,200 you're trying to get into. 483 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: You know, on all all the teachers that I've interviewed 484 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,519 on this program, and I always ask what do people 485 00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:51,319 ask for when they come in? You know, like I 486 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,319 want to It's always I want to be more consistent, 487 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,319 I want more distance, right, you're telling me that you're 488 00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:57,559 going to get both of those from this. 489 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, I really do. 490 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,839 Speaker 3: My fiance says, if I work on him before, it's 491 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,519 probably at least a four to five stroke difference in 492 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:07,880 his game. 493 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,759 Speaker 1: Oh man, and that's big. You know that's big because 494 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:15,079 that's on the that's on the long end of the club, 495 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,720 not the putting part. I'm sure, and I'm. 496 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,759 Speaker 3: Going to tell you too. He's kind of a whip, 497 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:21,480 so he does not like to get work done. So 498 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,039 if he's asking me to work on him, he's you know, 499 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,480 it makes a difference in his game. 500 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,039 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for you, Laura, But you've been bad 501 00:24:29,079 --> 00:24:35,160 mouthing that guy all this entire program. Now now you're me. 502 00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:38,839 You're you called him a whim. I cannot wait, and 503 00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:41,000 of course you're not saying his name, but I can't 504 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,880 wait till he hears this show and on his commute 505 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,000 and he comes home and says, what were you saying 506 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:53,319 about me? He's right, and we don't know who he is, 507 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,559 but we'll figure it out. So how does this differ 508 00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,880 than all the other kinds of therapies that we can 509 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:07,079 do for ourselves, you know, from chiropractors to physical therapist. 510 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:09,279 Why how does this differ? 511 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 4: How is it different? 512 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,839 Speaker 3: Uh? The bottom line is we're we're trying to strengthen 513 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,519 versus and physical therapy. They do a combination of strengthening 514 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,119 and stretching and stuff like that. Chiropractor they adjust the 515 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,599 skeletal system. We focus on the muscles. We're one hundred 516 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:27,119 percent muscle. That's the only thing. 517 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:31,119 Speaker 4: We work on. So that's how that different differs. 518 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 3: There massage, they're going after the tightness. Typically they're trying 519 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,880 to get rid of the tightness. But like we spoke earlier, 520 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,839 that tightness wants to keep coming back because it's trying 521 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,279 to protect for the weakness. So if that weakness still 522 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:47,400 exists and you're not getting that communication, it's going to 523 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:50,240 that tightness keeps coming back, keeps coming back, keeps coming back. 524 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 1: So on on something like I have with the sciatica, 525 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,759 which is nerve based right yep from the spine. With 526 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:03,799 this verse versus you're saying chiropractor skeletal your muscle. Would 527 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:07,039 this be actually better for me than then seeing a chiropractor? 528 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 4: Well, it's a combination of things. 529 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,519 Speaker 3: And I work with people that i'll see that I'll 530 00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:16,000 see a chiropractor and also see me which it can 531 00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:20,000 work together. These modalities can work great together sometimes too. 532 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,359 The chiropractor gets you in a ligne. We get the 533 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,640 muscles working that are probably pulling your skeletal system back 534 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,119 out of line. Oh so, it's just it's one of 535 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,160 those things if you get if you're put into alignment, 536 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,200 those muscles aren't firing the right way, it's going to 537 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:37,240 start pulling you back out on a regular basis, you know. 538 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,279 So what we're trying to do is get the muscles 539 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,079 to work the right way so they don't start pulling 540 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,480 you back out of that alignment. 541 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: Okay, And what kind of exercises would complement this or 542 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:59,920 should we avoid? Uh, if we're doing that, I wouldn't. 543 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: Say that you should avoid any exercises unless there's a 544 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,599 real specific issue that you're having, and that would be 545 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,039 then your ma at specialists would probably tell you, you know what, 546 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,599 let's stray away from this. 547 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 4: But in general, our goal is to have you being. 548 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:17,319 Speaker 3: Able to go out there and do all these activities, 549 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:19,799 increasing what your body can handle, so your body will 550 00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:23,119 be able to tolerate more and more force. The one 551 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,599 thing maybe is taking any stretches to the extreme. I 552 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,039 always tell people when they're going through their stretching routines, 553 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:34,640 make sure you're actively going through those stretching routines. Try 554 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,359 not to use a lot of excess outside force because 555 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:43,839 it's me So, if you're stretching and you're using let's 556 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,519 say a yoga strap or you're using a wall to 557 00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:50,200 stretch out your shoulder, if you're pushing excessively on that, 558 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,480 now you're trying to push yourself way past where your 559 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,799 body wants you to get, and that can create more 560 00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,960 instability in that joint. Granted, it's given you that temp 561 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,440 rary relief where it feels better, but it can actually 562 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,720 you can actually lose the contractile ability of the muscle. So, 563 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,640 because what happens is you create you stretch that muscle 564 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,960 too far, you can create slack in the muscle, and 565 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,079 that's not necessarily a good thing. It might temporarily feel 566 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,839 like you're a little bit more open, but you might 567 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,000 not have the control, you might not have the stability 568 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,640 of that joint. So now you might be giving yourself 569 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,400 more range, but the question is are you stable in 570 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,839 that range that you're giving yourself? 571 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: I got it, now, Okay, that makes sense. So you 572 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,359 said you're in the Chicago area. 573 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,079 Speaker 4: I am. 574 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: And we've got this global audience of golf smarter listeners 575 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,440 that are going to be showing up on your doorstep 576 00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:45,960 now because they want more length and more consistency. I 577 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,960 hope it may not be practical, but hopefully. I know 578 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:54,440 we have obviously have some listeners in Chicago and they'll 579 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,640 become knocking on your door too. But how long has 580 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,839 this been going on? When when did this get started? 581 00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: M AT has been around I think about twelve. 582 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,119 Speaker 1: Years, Okay, so it's relatively new. 583 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 4: Yep, yep. 584 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:11,839 Speaker 3: And I'll tell you the story of most most people 585 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,079 I know, Greg tells the story is he had back problems. 586 00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:19,599 He had serious back problems from playing football and everything else, 587 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,319 and he just wasn't he wasn't happy with the results 588 00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:26,440 he was getting from all the modalities out there. So 589 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:31,680 he kept looking for more and started working with biomechanics 590 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,240 specialists and you know, neurospecialists and trying to sort out 591 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,400 how can what component are we missing? And what he 592 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,119 sorted out it was that muscular component. We're not getting 593 00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:45,160 those muscles to work the right way, and that's where 594 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,920 the problem's coming from. So a lot of the m 595 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,799 AT specialists out there have my story where we've we've 596 00:29:50,839 --> 00:29:54,000 been there, we've had the issues, we've we've this was 597 00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:59,079 our quest to fix ourselves and you know, and now 598 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:00,640 we're able to help other people as well. 599 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: And how can we obviously here, I am in California, 600 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,920 in Chicago, I'm not I'm sorry, but I'm not coming 601 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,240 to have you do this work. How do we find 602 00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:12,039 somebody locally? 603 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 4: You can go to muscle activation dot com. 604 00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 3: Okay, that is the main website, and there is a 605 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:22,400 part that you can click on it says find a 606 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,519 specialist in your area. 607 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 4: Oh perfect, and they'll. 608 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: Have a list listed by state and then you know, 609 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,559 obviously Campine a city that's close to you. They have 610 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,559 you know, emails and phone number contacts for all the 611 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,880 specialists out there. And the cool thing is is like 612 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,799 they're still Greg is not stopping on this ma AT 613 00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:43,799 he's made. He's finding ways to make it so that 614 00:30:43,839 --> 00:30:47,079 the muscles hold longer. You know that we're getting longer 615 00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:50,599 lasting results. The guy's amazing when it comes to research. 616 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,400 He just he he's never happy with what he has. 617 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,359 And so we're constantly going back and learning more and 618 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,119 learning more and ways to make it all better. 619 00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And what about your website? Where do we 620 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,680 find more information? Forum from you? About you? 621 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,799 Speaker 3: You can find me at the body tech dot com 622 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,480 and it's t h E b O d y t 623 00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,799 e K dot com. 624 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: Awesome, Laura, thank you so much. Congratulations on being engaged 625 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:24,759 to a whimp. 626 00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 4: He's gotta love that. 627 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: And hate me and uh, and thank you again for 628 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:38,119 reaching out and for sharing this information. This is really 629 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,000 valuable stuff. I truly appreciate it, and best of luck 630 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,920 to you, and I hope you find a date. 631 00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 4: We'll work on it. We'll work on it.