Speaker 1: All right, everyone, I gotta answer you guys.
Speaker 2: Hold on, I'm going to feedback.
Speaker 3: I hear myself with sound all right, yeah, now I
Speaker 3: was hearing the back of my headphones.
Speaker 4: It should be sounds good. Now, Uh the intro? Did
Speaker 4: they intro? Like I said, it never shows the way
Speaker 4: you should plays?
Speaker 2: Look like you played through good that time?
Speaker 4: Did it went all the way through?
Speaker 2: Okay? It don't look like it did any duplicating like
Speaker 2: the last time.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, you know, I don't know why it does that.
Speaker 3: I've been trying to look into that a little by little,
Speaker 3: and then you know, from what I've looked up before,
Speaker 3: it's usually have this too much going on on your device,
Speaker 3: somebody that has an inference streaming, So I try to
Speaker 3: make sure I clear everything out, make sure there's no
Speaker 3: open windows and nothing like that whatsoever.
Speaker 4: So all right, okay, BEFL, let's keep the chat open here.
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Speaker 3: Well, listen, David, I'm glad you guys agreed to do
Speaker 3: this when I ask you about this tonight, because you know,
Speaker 3: with the snow that we got this weekend. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to go nowhere and it's been boring.
Speaker 4: It's like, you know, I really want to do a podcast,
Speaker 4: so let me see what. So, Yeah, here we are.
Speaker 2: We're glad to be here. I mean, we didn't have
Speaker 2: nothing to do anyway. She gets another day off tomorrow,
Speaker 2: able to work.
Speaker 5: I didn't get to work today or tomorrow because of
Speaker 5: the weather.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the same situation I'm in.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, my boss he didn't come out and
Speaker 3: tell me, but the way he made it sound like.
Speaker 4: He didn't even get into work today. I don't know
Speaker 4: if anyone made it in or not.
Speaker 6: But my boss said that, you know, not to worry
Speaker 6: about coming into work.
Speaker 4: So yeah, all that.
Speaker 3: Wow, But yeah, I mean, I mean there's not much
Speaker 3: you can do when you're stuck at home.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 3: I mean, I try not to eat up with food
Speaker 3: we have here, because I mean, we got plenty of it,
Speaker 3: but it's just you get so bored.
Speaker 4: I just turned to eating sometimes. I know it's a
Speaker 4: bad have it.
Speaker 6: I got to have a little fun.
Speaker 5: I managed to get my truck out of our driveway
Speaker 5: on the main road. They trying to tell me how
Speaker 5: to do it, but I had fun getting up and
Speaker 5: over that big mess that b Doc created for us
Speaker 5: at the edge of our driveway.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny said that. I've heard other people
Speaker 4: talk about in some of the other local groups. That's
Speaker 4: Vita or whoever has been plowing some of the streets
Speaker 4: around Stanton or whatever, the side streets. Yeah, they basically
Speaker 4: formed a three to four foot wall up against the
Speaker 4: embankments of the houses and the properties and even blocking
Speaker 4: off some of the driveways. So, I mean some of
Speaker 4: the that's what I've read on some of the posts.
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, they do that to all the driveways
Speaker 2: down here where we live. I mean, I mean, what
Speaker 2: else can they do? They got to get the main
Speaker 2: street players right exactly.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's all you have to do is
Speaker 3: to shovel out a small opening to get to that.
Speaker 4: You know what they plowed.
Speaker 2: I mean that's the key. Small opening. We don't have
Speaker 2: a small opening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 3: While we're early into this podcast, I do want to
Speaker 3: remind everybody we do have some other upcoming live podcasts
Speaker 3: coming up.
Speaker 4: This week.
Speaker 3: We have two guests back to back January thirtieth and
Speaker 3: January thirty first. Friday the thirtieth, we have Ronald Murphy,
Speaker 3: you will be joining us live. Then on the thirty
Speaker 3: first Saturday, we have another guest, Kevin less Starge. I
Speaker 3: don't know if some pronounces any rate and maybe I
Speaker 3: believe it's less less Starge or less Stargie. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but anyway, Kevin will be joining us. Kevin less Starge.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just say go with that. I'll find out
Speaker 4: this weekend when we talked to him.
Speaker 3: So yeah, both of these will both it's all bigfoot podcasts.
Speaker 3: They do have some experience and some research involving other
Speaker 3: cryptids and paranormal so we'll get into all that that
Speaker 3: should be interested in what they haven't share.
Speaker 4: So again, Friday night eight pm.
Speaker 3: Now Saturday will be nine pm. I didn't mind doing
Speaker 3: nine pm for Kevin, because you know, he's got little ones.
Speaker 3: He tries to get the bed at a certain time,
Speaker 3: so I wanted to give him some time to do that.
Speaker 3: So he was willing to work with whatever, but I said,
Speaker 3: I don't mind doing nine pms, especially on Saturdays, because
Speaker 3: we get listeners and people tuning in from the West
Speaker 3: Coast and there's what three hours behind us, So because
Speaker 3: the later we start something, the better off it is
Speaker 3: for the people in the West Coast.
Speaker 4: So I try to keep that in mind sometimes, but
Speaker 4: I usually, again Friday nights, I aim for eight pm
Speaker 4: because it's convenient for me. My grandson's usually in bed
Speaker 4: by that time, so it tends.
Speaker 2: To work out.
Speaker 4: So this is a couple of things we'll get into.
Speaker 4: The first, Well, we're gonna we welcome questions tonight. We
Speaker 4: want to do a Q and A.
Speaker 3: We want to give you guys the opportunity to ask
Speaker 3: questions at any point in time tonight. I believe it's
Speaker 3: going to be very random, but I do have a
Speaker 3: couple of things I wrote down. Uh, I think the
Speaker 3: start off with one of the things I've written down.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna, I guess I'm gonna put.
Speaker 4: David and Wlissa on the spot to start off with.
Speaker 4: Let's see now, yeah, let's get into this.
Speaker 3: You know, we've been doing bigfoot research together for you know,
Speaker 3: you guys have been joining me for the last five
Speaker 3: plus years. You know, you guys have been involved with
Speaker 3: more with the paranormal side of things, and you've gotten
Speaker 3: involved and been doing the big foot thing with me. Now,
Speaker 3: I know neither one of you guys have witness was
Speaker 3: seeing a bigfoot. However, I do want to ask you guys,
Speaker 3: what's your take on bigfoot? I mean, how do you
Speaker 3: guys view bigfoot? You know, just to kind of throw
Speaker 3: a few things out there, what's your belief system when.
Speaker 4: It comes to big foot?
Speaker 2: So if i'll give.
Speaker 3: You I'll start off with those few questions and cand
Speaker 3: of give you guys something to kind of.
Speaker 2: First tonight.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I think big Hood, even though I've never seen
Speaker 5: anym or anything, I believe he is some sort of
Speaker 5: a primate with humanoid characteristics.
Speaker 6: I believe they have a whole family just like we do.
Speaker 5: They have families, they have children and their.
Speaker 6: Elders and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: I believe that, And just because we haven't seen him
Speaker 5: doesn't mean they don't exist. But you know, that's one
Speaker 5: of the things we do when we go out in
Speaker 5: the woods, you know, we get off of the beaten
Speaker 5: path and we go out and we look for clues
Speaker 5: for evidence, and we try to document it the best
Speaker 5: we can, and we try to first rule out if
Speaker 5: it's you know, made by humans that may have been
Speaker 5: hiking in the area.
Speaker 6: We try to rule out.
Speaker 5: If if it's weather related, or if it's another animal,
Speaker 5: you know, a wild creature that lives in the woods,
Speaker 5: you know, bear, deer, you know everything. You may have
Speaker 5: hummingbirds that live in the woods. A lot of people don't.
Speaker 6: Realize that, but they do.
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's just that's my belief on I believe it is true.
Speaker 5: I believe they do spend a lot of time observing us.
Speaker 5: I believe they they are more comfortable with us than
Speaker 5: what we probably realize that they are, because they.
Speaker 6: Do watch us, they mimic us.
Speaker 5: People often ask, and how come you don't see a
Speaker 5: bigfoot body?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: How come you don't ever find a dead Okay, same thing?
Speaker 5: How come you rarely see dead wildlife except for maybe deer?
Speaker 2: Where are the bear? You know?
Speaker 5: Where are the mountain lions and the bobcats? How come
Speaker 5: you don't see them? You know a lot of them?
Speaker 4: Are you know?
Speaker 5: The Their bodies are buried by nature themselves, but by
Speaker 5: the leaves, by storms, stuff like that. Others are picked
Speaker 5: off by predators. They're trying to eat nature at its
Speaker 5: finess taking care of itself.
Speaker 2: Absolutely well, my take on it's almost like hers. But
Speaker 2: taking into account of history, going back decades, centuries of
Speaker 2: the reports, you can't dismiss everything. I mean to me,
Speaker 2: there's still a lot of questions. I think they're out there. Uh,
Speaker 2: but I can't say if you've got to have a
Speaker 2: breeding population, you got to. But yet you can't put
Speaker 2: a number on how many it would actually be, obviously, Uh.
Speaker 2: I always question do they travel as a family unit
Speaker 2: stay as a family unit? We can't answer that. Are
Speaker 2: they more like a lot of your your larger lions
Speaker 2: to where you might get a breeding pair until the
Speaker 2: female has the young one, and then the male goes
Speaker 2: off on his own. Female raises the young one. We
Speaker 2: don't have those answers. We can only speculate. And I'm
Speaker 2: not going to go on to limb and say if
Speaker 2: this is this, and this is this and this is it.
Speaker 2: We don't know. Do they migrate? We don't my mind,
Speaker 2: we don't know. You got to look at the areas
Speaker 2: as far as geographical location, food supply. Maybe they don't
Speaker 2: need the nourishment that we do. Maybe they could get
Speaker 2: by longer without it, you know, like your bears and
Speaker 2: everything else during the wintertime. There's so many unanswered questions
Speaker 2: out there. There are a lot of people trying to
Speaker 2: come up with but nobody, nobody can pinpoint exactly what
Speaker 2: is going on. Other than you do have your sightings.
Speaker 2: You do have those for misidentification, obviously you do. You
Speaker 2: got the pranksters out there, Yes, you got the panksters,
Speaker 2: but then you got other evidence like the cast that
Speaker 2: you have, the cast that other people have. Those can
Speaker 2: be pranked. But I can't. I can't believe one hundred
Speaker 2: percent of them are faint. It just don't make any
Speaker 2: sense to me. I can't believe that over the centuries,
Speaker 2: probably several million people has reported accounts of seeing them,
Speaker 2: maybe even some interactions to where you're just going to
Speaker 2: dismiss them as all being looming. I can't believe that.
Speaker 2: It's just like the paranormal side. We've been interested in
Speaker 2: all of this from the cryptocide of paranormals all over life.
Speaker 2: It's just until recently we've had the time to actually
Speaker 2: start and delving at it, big foot on your side,
Speaker 2: and then we had no intent for the paranormal to
Speaker 2: be drawn into it to the last couple of capouts.
Speaker 2: So we're not gonna go We've gone over that enough already.
Speaker 2: Uh So, now that just raises more questions out if
Speaker 2: they're out there, Are they're just fleshing blood? M h
Speaker 2: Are they controlled by other entities? Yeah?
Speaker 4: These are good thoughts, good good questions.
Speaker 2: You just you just can't nobody can Nobody can say.
Speaker 2: But you can't dismiss everything that's going on, especially when
Speaker 2: you've got centuries of reports, and not only here in
Speaker 2: the US with indigenous people and the Native Americans, but
Speaker 2: in other parts of the world, and from the Himalayas
Speaker 2: to the uh Force here in the US, and I
Speaker 2: think some in Europe. Uh Now, one thing I don't
Speaker 2: know is I don't know if there's been any report
Speaker 2: around any tropical zones or not. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you know anything about like central South America has has
Speaker 2: there been reports? I know we got the Skunk Cape
Speaker 2: in Florida, but does that extend down into the tropical areas?
Speaker 2: Are they just strictly in the northern hemisphere, northern North
Speaker 2: America where we are maybe over in European places like
Speaker 2: getting Himalayas. Uh, I don't have those answers on that.
Speaker 2: I've really not even looked into that aspect because we're
Speaker 2: too involved looking where we are now just in our
Speaker 2: area for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so real quick, I don't know the name of
Speaker 3: it off the top of my head. However, down in
Speaker 3: South America, I want to say, close to Brazil, the
Speaker 3: jungle surrounding Brazil. Are you know down around those regions
Speaker 3: of South America? They do have a bigfoot legend down there. However,
Speaker 3: off the top of my head, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: try to look it up on my.
Speaker 4: Phone real quick. But uh, they do have something down there,
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 2: That much so.
Speaker 3: But Uh, there's been there's been search expeditions. There was
Speaker 3: one individual he's actually gone. I learned some of some
Speaker 3: of the information based off of what have I watched
Speaker 3: on this one show. I was actually came across it,
Speaker 3: not really all that long ago, but I was surprised
Speaker 3: to see that they do have a big foot legend
Speaker 3: down there. And again I can't think of it off
Speaker 3: the top of my head, but somebody on the live
Speaker 3: chat maybe they know of the name or look it up.
Speaker 3: I even heard things about Mexico.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, you know, yeah, I mean, but
Speaker 4: those are the areas you don't really focus on or
Speaker 4: hear too much about. I mean Texas, look at Texas.
Speaker 3: Texas has a lot of reports, a lot of interesting things,
Speaker 3: even a lot of history of or people finding fossilized
Speaker 3: dinosaur tracks and other things in some of the river
Speaker 3: beds the stream bed So it is interesting what you
Speaker 3: learn about some of the areas the United States.
Speaker 2: Texas.
Speaker 3: Another thing about Texas, I came across this some years ago. Well,
Speaker 3: they had actually found uh small, I will say small,
Speaker 3: but remains of primates out in the desert. You know,
Speaker 3: I mean, were these pets? Were these where these primates?
Speaker 3: Something that once.
Speaker 4: Suggested down in these years.
Speaker 3: I mean, Texas on the most part is a very warm,
Speaker 3: warm climate, so it's not so far fetched, you know,
Speaker 3: just like like one of the things we brought up
Speaker 3: in one of the podcasts before, there's been tropical plants
Speaker 3: from warm climates found up in the northern you know,
Speaker 3: uh like north I can't think I just lost my
Speaker 3: training five way up the yeah, up there in the
Speaker 3: extreme cold, you know climates.
Speaker 4: So you know, people, you know, you have to ask
Speaker 4: how did they get up that way?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's the same thing with a lot of
Speaker 3: the plants that were found down in Florida.
Speaker 4: A lot of people believe are there is theory that
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of plants floated.
Speaker 3: There and over a period of time they got you know,
Speaker 3: used by the natives and people put them there and
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: I guess that's something for another topic, you know. But
Speaker 3: it's just things you hear about, and you know, any
Speaker 3: game you wonder because you know, are these plants.
Speaker 2: Native here or whatnot?
Speaker 4: I mean. And of course my life that I have here,
Speaker 4: it's not fully charged like I had it anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of things we could think about, a
Speaker 4: lot of things we could consider. Well, let's job, let's
Speaker 4: kind of.
Speaker 2: On that one more last thing on that is providing
Speaker 2: they're out there. They're not stupid. There's I believe there's
Speaker 2: smarter than what most people give them credit for. That's
Speaker 2: why we don't have the encounters open encounters. Besides, you know,
Speaker 2: people seeing them. Except for the past where the Native
Speaker 2: Americans said they actually used they used to interact with
Speaker 2: them until one story I heard was they used to
Speaker 2: interact with them several hundred years ago. I don't know
Speaker 2: the timeframe and to where they'd exchanged stuff. And then
Speaker 2: but during one of the interactions, supposedly one of the
Speaker 2: younger Bigfoot accidentally killed a Native American boy playing and
Speaker 2: at that point it's when more of a separation took
Speaker 2: place as far as really not mingling together after that point.
Speaker 2: That's one of the stories I've heard from the past.
Speaker 2: But I think that they're smarter than what you give
Speaker 2: credit for, providing they're out there because you know the elephants,
Speaker 2: and they may not be the only one when they
Speaker 2: know when they're going to die pass on. They have
Speaker 2: elephant buried, not burial grounds, but they've got grounds where
Speaker 2: elephants know where to migrate to when they finally pass
Speaker 2: Maybe the same thing with them, Maybe they go under ground.
Speaker 2: You know who knows.
Speaker 5: Their ancestral burial There you go, they migrate back to
Speaker 5: when it's time for them.
Speaker 2: You do think every now and then, I'm proud of you.
Speaker 2: That's what I was. I was trying to come up
Speaker 2: with a sister of burial grounds to where uh all
Speaker 2: animals have that, you know that they know where to
Speaker 2: go when one time of the year and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: As far as it's bread into them over time and
Speaker 2: what not. I think they're a lots smarter than what
Speaker 2: people give them credit for. They do observice. I feel
Speaker 2: I've always every now and that. I asked William Nighthag,
Speaker 2: I said, what came first? The tree structure or the tepee?
Speaker 2: Did the Indians come up with the tpu TP first
Speaker 2: and the Bigfoot mimic that? Or did the Bigfoot make
Speaker 2: the you know, the tree structures TP form and then
Speaker 2: the Indias started to mimic it from them? You know
Speaker 2: what came first? The chicken or the eight you know?
Speaker 2: I mean that was just something that was just messing
Speaker 2: with William about something like that, right, But it's uh,
Speaker 2: it's interesting, smart what what what? What we're give them for?
Speaker 2: And maybe they don't have the same metabolism we do.
Speaker 2: That they don't need to eat so many pounds of
Speaker 2: food today to stay a lot and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: We you know, we don't know they might be able
Speaker 2: to go one or two months without food. Realistically, we
Speaker 2: don't know. We forget about their body size and mass.
Speaker 2: We don't know what their tabolism is, like that's right,
Speaker 2: we don't have one to study. So that's why I
Speaker 2: always question, didn't migrate? Maybe they don't. Maybe they able
Speaker 2: to survive where they're at until things start coming back around.
Speaker 2: I mean those are answers. You know, we're all trying
Speaker 2: to strive forward when we're they're doing a research and looking.
Speaker 4: For absolutely uh yeah, there's you know, some of the
Speaker 4: things you brought up with things I used to love
Speaker 4: to talk and discuss, you know, because I've always considered.
Speaker 3: You know, one of the things you mentioned real quick,
Speaker 3: I'll bring it up is, you know a lot of
Speaker 3: the reports, so we hear that they're big and massively.
Speaker 4: So you're like, okay, in order for them for five,
Speaker 4: they must have to have a.
Speaker 3: Lot, you know, a big calorie intake. You know, like
Speaker 3: for us, what what is the for average human? What
Speaker 3: they say is for human like two thousand calories per
Speaker 3: day roughly is what we need about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 4: if we'll always get to the many calories in the daytime.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I guess it depends on if you're really.
Speaker 2: Paying attention to what you eat. But all different mentalities.
Speaker 2: Look at the snake. Snakes goes a couple of three
Speaker 2: months without even eating has meal and go to a
Speaker 2: three months. Of course they don't move around much, don't
Speaker 2: get me wrong, right, but we don't know what what
Speaker 2: metabolism they would have. It may be a slow metabolism
Speaker 2: to where they don't need to consume as much as
Speaker 2: often as we would, or a dog or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But there's animals out there that they could go extend
Speaker 2: the amounts of time without consuming a lot of food. Water. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a given fact, you know, as far as that.
Speaker 5: But I believe they are omnivores. I believe they eat both,
Speaker 5: you know, plant and meat.
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense because I mean, you know, I
Speaker 3: mean both sources are available, so I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe they enjoy one bore or the other, or versus
Speaker 3: certain times of the year, one's more available than the
Speaker 3: other anyways, or easier access.
Speaker 2: And then language, I mean you got to share sounds
Speaker 2: and other recordings of stuff like that. If there's if
Speaker 2: there's the smartest I think they should be, they would
Speaker 2: have language. I just wish we had more even thans
Speaker 2: of it. Even though there's stuff out there that people
Speaker 2: can't pinpoints, even people that are experts in the electric
Speaker 2: sound electronics and stuff like that, they can't say what
Speaker 2: it is. But the case say what it isn't everything
Speaker 2: they compared either hair samples or those sound recordings from
Speaker 2: there's nothing known in their database to be able to
Speaker 2: compare it to now fascinating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talk about sounds and everything, uh, based off
Speaker 3: of our time out in the woods camping, you know,
Speaker 3: and exploring and everything. Uh, do you guys recall hearing
Speaker 3: anything that you guys possibly could not you know, like
Speaker 3: as far as some of the sounds we've always heard
Speaker 3: out there, because there's been times where you may have
Speaker 3: heard things and I didn't.
Speaker 4: Is there anything that you guys may have heard that
Speaker 4: you can't identify or that you still wonder about?
Speaker 2: For me, not enough to where it would really raise
Speaker 2: a big suspicion. I mean like I told you, I
Speaker 2: mentioned the other night you thought you heard that one
Speaker 2: sound off of the distance. I was able to pull
Speaker 2: it off of my cam because she had recorded that,
Speaker 2: but I had to eight times the volume of the
Speaker 2: sound where you could off of the distance here like
Speaker 2: a sort of drawn out I want to say whoop,
Speaker 2: but you really can't say a whoop. It was just
Speaker 2: it's hard to describe on that. But again with a
Speaker 2: distance it was that. Could it have been a howl
Speaker 2: from a dog, absolutely, but I can't say it was
Speaker 2: or wasn't it be just something they call your attention.
Speaker 2: I just happened to catch while she was recording. I
Speaker 2: did get some either some pretty good rock clangs or
Speaker 2: a tree knock a couple of times when we were
Speaker 2: out camping, which I got on audio. I do have
Speaker 2: other things on audio that just sounds weird. But again,
Speaker 2: one thing I'm going to start doing if I go
Speaker 2: out set a recorder overnight, because I find it frustrating
Speaker 2: where I get these weird sounds on the auto recorder.
Speaker 2: That's all I got. So when spring gets here, I'm
Speaker 2: going to order me two more of my trail camps,
Speaker 2: and I like it's got to sound with it. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: for every whenever I put out an audio recorder overnight,
Speaker 2: I'm going to pair that with a trail camp about
Speaker 2: ten to twenty yards away from it. That way, if
Speaker 2: something comes up by the mic, as from what I've
Speaker 2: kept it in the past, I will be able to
Speaker 2: catch catch something on the trail camp, because I now
Speaker 2: I hate getting stuff on audio that you want to
Speaker 2: think it's something? Isn't an animal? Is it not? What
Speaker 2: is a breathing by it? Is it? Yeah? I want
Speaker 2: my trail camps. Something was walking behind a trail camp, Yes,
Speaker 2: that could be a deer. Okay, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: go off of that cliff and saying something was walking
Speaker 2: behind it. It had to be a big foot. I
Speaker 2: can't do that without any proof, but I'm gonna start
Speaker 2: pairing up my auto recorders with the trail came. That way,
Speaker 2: if something does come up by the audio recorder, I
Speaker 2: could get audio and video of something close by, whether
Speaker 2: it be a bare bigfoot, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2: Some of the scratching I finally figured out was one
Speaker 2: not when I had an audio recorder out, I did
Speaker 2: not realize that sometimes insects would migrate up around it.
Speaker 2: And these are on cool nights, and I was wondering,
Speaker 2: why the heck are they doing that. Well, again, we
Speaker 2: may not be able to tell much, but the aud
Speaker 2: recorder when it's running gets a little warm and the
Speaker 2: heat would draw insects to it, and they were crawling
Speaker 2: on it, making these scratchy sounds. And I had it on.
Speaker 2: I pull it up with audio and I could hear it. Well,
Speaker 2: that was insects on that. But I've got other things
Speaker 2: not an insect. I don't know what's creating no sounds.
Speaker 2: So hopefully by pairing them up, I might be able
Speaker 2: to come up with some more answers with that, one
Speaker 2: question leads it to another, and you come up with
Speaker 2: more ideas. And yeah, I might be spending a couple
Speaker 2: more dollars since you ain't put me onto that yet.
Speaker 2: I need to get because I want my dedicated trill camps.
Speaker 2: But when I said that one or two auto recorders,
Speaker 2: I want to at least have enough to pare them
Speaker 2: up that way when they overlap. Maybe that leads of creeten,
Speaker 2: so you know more of what we're doing out there,
Speaker 2: or at least prove something or prove what it is.
Speaker 2: Bear another type of animal, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2: So if it don't get close enough to the auto recorder,
Speaker 2: at least I got a trill cam out there for
Speaker 2: that by kind of without making any sound.
Speaker 6: So see, that's why it's important.
Speaker 5: When you're trying to do your investigation, trying to rule
Speaker 5: out stuff, because even in a simple little creepy crawley
Speaker 5: creature can affect your investigation. It can rule something out.
Speaker 5: Because it's the same way he's talking about the insects
Speaker 5: with the heat on the mics and stuff, and with
Speaker 5: the recorders. Well, the same thing happens in the paranormal
Speaker 5: part where you have your rampods. All it takes is
Speaker 5: a simple teeny tiny little bug to land on that
Speaker 5: antenna and.
Speaker 6: It'll set it off.
Speaker 5: But you gotta make sure you rule all of that
Speaker 5: out before you you know, and you come to a
Speaker 5: conclusion that you don't know what it is because you've
Speaker 5: ruled out everything that you can possibly think.
Speaker 2: Of, right, because I proved that one night in the graveyard,
Speaker 2: and if I hadn't seen it, I mean it was
Speaker 2: it was. It was almost smaller than a fleet. Everybody
Speaker 2: knows about how big a flea is. By an insect
Speaker 2: if I didn't walk up to it to see it
Speaker 2: land on it, come and fly around, land on it again.
Speaker 2: Every time they did that land on it, it would
Speaker 2: cause a rimpod to go off. If I was standing
Speaker 2: twenty thirty forty yards back and watching it go off,
Speaker 2: I would think something str to communicate with it. You
Speaker 2: see where I'm going with that. Now, if you go
Speaker 2: set up a rimpod, I like to have some kind
Speaker 2: of camera set on that to rule that aspect out,
Speaker 2: because remember, we got lizards out there in the woods,
Speaker 2: we got insects out there in the woods. Anything. If
Speaker 2: you're not right there by it to be able to
Speaker 2: rule that out, you can't say what it is now
Speaker 2: if you got a camera on it to record it
Speaker 2: when it goes off, if there's nothing around it, and
Speaker 2: now you may have something to look into, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people and radio frequencies too. I noticed that
Speaker 2: with that rimpod when I was back at camp, when
Speaker 2: you already hiking. Every time I keep that mic, it
Speaker 2: didn't make the tone go off, but it's set the
Speaker 2: lights off. Every time I keep my radio, the lights
Speaker 2: would go off. And that's why I'm to watch on TV.
Speaker 2: If they got all this electronic equipment around and somebody
Speaker 2: key something that's going to match one of the frequencies
Speaker 2: on that rimpod. It's going to start going off. But
Speaker 2: the viewers aren't going to see that. The investigators may
Speaker 2: not see it and be misled. You follow what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 2: It didn't make the tones go off. It just made
Speaker 2: the lights go off. Now if the tones go off
Speaker 2: with the lights, now that's gonna be something different because
Speaker 2: I ruled the lights can be controlled by the radio frequencies,
Speaker 2: but the tone doesn't. Okay, they got two different aspects
Speaker 2: aspects aspects aspects to look at on that aspect of it.
Speaker 2: But again we're getting off the beaten path here on
Speaker 2: that aspect. But you got to It just goes back
Speaker 2: to you got to like you always say, you've got
Speaker 2: to know the known before you look for the unknown
Speaker 2: or something or whatever phrase you say on that, know
Speaker 2: the nome before you look for the unknown. Is that
Speaker 2: what you say?
Speaker 4: So learn, Yeah, learn and know what is known before seeking.
Speaker 2: Yet exactly that's why when you go out with the equipment,
Speaker 2: know how the equipment works, what to expect from it,
Speaker 2: what can interfere with it, and some of that is
Speaker 2: gonna be trialing there. Don't get me wrong, you right
Speaker 2: off the bat. I mean I found that one bug
Speaker 2: doing that by mistake, and then the radio frequency keying
Speaker 2: up the rampod lights by by mistake, by actually being
Speaker 2: out there doing a research, and during that I've seen
Speaker 2: what was happening. So you know you're gonna learn that
Speaker 2: as you go.
Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you a quick question about that.
Speaker 4: I mean, just something you would know.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I know there is a sensitivity adjustment.
Speaker 2: Or setting on it.
Speaker 3: You can put it super super sensitive to having it.
Speaker 3: I mean, how does that work? I mean, and will
Speaker 3: that place?
Speaker 2: I think Jeremy's has three settings. You got super sensitive
Speaker 2: and then you could tone it down a little bit
Speaker 2: to where it takes a lot more to be able
Speaker 2: to set it off. And he had is on the
Speaker 2: highest setting for sensitivity. Okay, I did not try the
Speaker 2: other two. I just observed what I did when it
Speaker 2: was on the highest sensitivity. I don't have a rampod
Speaker 2: that belongs to a sun. If we ever get one,
Speaker 2: or next time I get his, I'm going to try
Speaker 2: that to see how sincely that is. As far as
Speaker 2: the radio frequency or something setting it off with the
Speaker 2: tone and the lights. But I'm gonna have to get
Speaker 2: my hands on again to be able to play with
Speaker 2: the settings on that. See one thing that always leads
Speaker 2: it to another. It never fails. But you want to know,
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't take everything for granted. You know,
Speaker 2: now if you start asking questions, you know no radios
Speaker 2: are going on. You get My viewpoint is if the
Speaker 2: lights go off, I'm not paying attention to it based
Speaker 2: on the radio frequency, because how do I know something
Speaker 2: may not be a mile away like a CB radio
Speaker 2: transmitting that higher power setting it off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if the lights go off and then you have
Speaker 4: a tone with it, that's going to be different.
Speaker 2: Maybe look at that. If you're asking specific questions now,
Speaker 2: don't mean you ask a question and then you wait
Speaker 2: two minutes to get a response. Yeah, how immediate is
Speaker 2: a response? If you're using one of those voice boxes,
Speaker 2: whatever message comes across, is it in relation to what
Speaker 2: you're doing? If it's just stuff coming out of random
Speaker 2: you're sitting in the woods and they're talking about a
Speaker 2: cruise ship, no, I'm not gonna listen to that. You can't,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But if it's if specific
Speaker 2: based on the questions you're asking and how often then
Speaker 2: you may have something going on there. I believe in
Speaker 2: the paranormal. We've experienced it. We've got it on recordings,
Speaker 2: our hair being manipulated a couple of times, things have
Speaker 2: heard in the past, more than one people saying it,
Speaker 2: witnessing it. There's things going on that people don't realize
Speaker 2: what's going on. And now we got involved with you
Speaker 2: with a bigger foot research. We wasn't going to bring
Speaker 2: the paranormal into it until this past summer when we
Speaker 2: started having the experiences we have when the last two campouts.
Speaker 2: Why we're having that out there now, I have no
Speaker 2: idea hopefully to continue. We won't know until we go
Speaker 2: back out there. But we're still big digging up history
Speaker 2: on the place out there too. We just don't know
Speaker 2: what's going on as far as why those things happened
Speaker 2: while we were there, but more than one person witnessed,
Speaker 2: so it's not a figure of your imagination, right.
Speaker 4: Look, one thing.
Speaker 3: You just mentioned this or you know, digging up the
Speaker 3: history and everything now, But those who've been following the
Speaker 3: information that we were sharing about this location, there are foundations,
Speaker 3: there's remnants the old homestead foundations out there.
Speaker 4: Now, I did a research, you know, on how did
Speaker 4: I look it up?
Speaker 3: Now this is not pinpoint in this location, but it's
Speaker 3: just speaking about when I guess I did a research
Speaker 3: on why are there foundations the old homesteads left in
Speaker 3: the woods of Virginia, And some of the information I
Speaker 3: read up would have been there was a number of things.
Speaker 4: One of the things where.
Speaker 3: They may have been old homes to where uh, you know,
Speaker 3: something to do.
Speaker 4: With the Civil War, Uh, you know, the simple farmers, oh,
Speaker 4: even moonshiners.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then some of the what were something to do
Speaker 3: with slavery or slaving people. You know, there were slave
Speaker 3: homes or something. And why are they you know, why
Speaker 3: are they not there? I mean it could have been
Speaker 3: from because so many years ago. A lot of these
Speaker 3: homes or shacks they were built. Uh they may have
Speaker 3: started with a stone or a.
Speaker 4: Stone or a a certain type of brick foundation to
Speaker 4: wear the rest of the home.
Speaker 3: They weren't used with proper wood or you know that
Speaker 3: was made for a home back then, where they either
Speaker 3: rotted out decayed over time. Uh, some of them got
Speaker 3: in some cases, some of them may have got burnt down,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, there was so many different things.
Speaker 3: I can't remember them all, but there was a lot
Speaker 3: of information on some of the Why there's only foundations
Speaker 3: of homesteads left in Virginia.
Speaker 2: Well, that's just the foundations you're talking about. Yet you
Speaker 2: got to keep in mind too, is how many people
Speaker 2: lived back there that didn't use rocks to build homes
Speaker 2: with for foundations. That's your Native American history. How many
Speaker 2: Native Americans living around the area. How many burial grounds
Speaker 2: are out there that we don't know about. How many
Speaker 2: people would die and buried out there. We don't know
Speaker 2: about exactly how many people died out there and wasn't
Speaker 2: able to be buried because nobody knew they were there, right,
Speaker 2: I mean all of that. I mean that's I was
Speaker 2: out metal detecting several years ago at a friend's house
Speaker 2: and now in the middle of his field, I found
Speaker 2: a large scent from the seventeen hundreds. It's pretty much obliterated.
Speaker 2: He really couldn't tell what it was. I couldn't even
Speaker 2: get all the dates off of them based on the
Speaker 2: bust of it and everything. I tell it was a
Speaker 2: large scent. How did that get in that ground? It's
Speaker 2: at least from the seventeen hundreds. Did somebody die there
Speaker 2: to fall out somebody's pocket when they were maybe plowing
Speaker 2: the ground. We don't know. There's so many possibilities out
Speaker 2: there that we're just gonna keep researching and see what's
Speaker 2: happening out there. I mean, there may be things out
Speaker 2: there we don't know about that nobody wants you to
Speaker 2: know about. I'm not saying government wise, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to get no conspiracy theories or nothing like that. But
Speaker 2: if you look at other areas where they could have
Speaker 2: been out there doing research and sometime maybe I mean
Speaker 2: I look at the OBL, Kentucky land between the lakes.
Speaker 2: You evernment came in, ran the people out that didn't
Speaker 2: want to sell the property to them, and there's old
Speaker 2: remnants of foundations when the government was used to be
Speaker 2: back in the OBL back way back in the day.
Speaker 2: I think it was after early in the twenties or
Speaker 2: thirties or something like that. People can look up the
Speaker 2: history of the OBL.
Speaker 6: Be just like with Shadow Nast Park.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the government they went in, they decided they wanted
Speaker 5: that land. They first tried to purchase it for you know,
Speaker 5: from the homeowners that lived there, their whole family for
Speaker 5: generations have lived there on that land. It was their land,
Speaker 5: and when they went and sell to it, they claimed
Speaker 5: imminent domain and they took it, ran them all out.
Speaker 5: And I don't know what the George Washington National Forest,
Speaker 5: I don't know what the circumstances of that was. But
Speaker 5: you know, there's always been people living in rural areas,
Speaker 5: you know, traveling on horseback and stuff way back in
Speaker 5: the in them days before we had paved roads and stuff,
Speaker 5: everything was dirt, and you know, it's very possible that's
Speaker 5: why some of those homestead foundations are there because of
Speaker 5: that reason.
Speaker 6: But we don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, national Park along the ridge line up where people
Speaker 2: to drive all the time, they wanted that for to
Speaker 2: make it a national park. Now, if they had other
Speaker 2: reasons for it, we don't. We don't know. But they
Speaker 2: wanted to make in a national park, which was a
Speaker 2: good thing. But how they went about it a lot
Speaker 2: of people disagree with. And you're gonna have that anywhere.
Speaker 2: But let's get going down to the politics side or
Speaker 2: the everyone's side and what not. Let's stay on the
Speaker 2: topic that we're here for. With a bigfoot and stuff
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't mind getting in to you.
Speaker 3: Know, branching off and discussing fingers, bringing things up for
Speaker 3: various reasons, for purposes. I mean, I'm totally cool with that.
Speaker 3: It kind of gives us, the listeners, the audience a
Speaker 3: little bit of a Okay, well, not everyone believes or
Speaker 3: wants to go down that path. But you know, like
Speaker 3: you said, you guys, when you guys got involved with me,
Speaker 3: you guys weren't trying to bring that with you. But
Speaker 3: look at I mean, like you said, there are things
Speaker 3: that happen. You know, there are things that we can't explain,
Speaker 3: things that we're trying to make sense of that happened there.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I had nothing to do with it,
Speaker 3: but you know there are things that I'm with you guys.
Speaker 3: We're all experiencing it together. So it's just like, you know,
Speaker 3: we're scratching our head, like what what is this?
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, we're especially a campus sit back,
Speaker 4: you know, hanging out around the campfire, and things are happening.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know it's whatever, but it's happening. So I mean,
Speaker 3: we can't deny it.
Speaker 2: So well, no, you can't deny it. But what I
Speaker 2: find in trigguing is we all still keep going back.
Speaker 2: We know it took her tail to run from. Yeah.
Speaker 2: How many we want to be taken out of our norm?
Speaker 2: But the other people, a lot of other people you get,
Speaker 2: you take their normal way, their life falls apart, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I mean not to criticize them.
Speaker 2: I mean that's just the way people are. But I
Speaker 2: like that challenge, you know, to be taken out of
Speaker 2: my norm because to me, it's not only expanding knowledge,
Speaker 2: but on the quest of trying to find answers and
Speaker 2: experiencing what we're experiencing at the moment for no logical
Speaker 2: reason that we know of, but yet we keep going
Speaker 2: back to try to find those answers. Yeah, things did
Speaker 2: happen and why did they happen? Things that should not happen. Uh, fascinating.
Speaker 2: I I like the challenge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, Daniel.
Speaker 5: In the group chat, there is a Robert Dan Dubn Yeah,
Speaker 5: has said three comments.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah, bring I'll bring them back up on the screen.
Speaker 6: I think the last one is the question, which.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the first one's he said, I've been listening
Speaker 4: a while getting.
Speaker 2: Some work done.
Speaker 4: I think some bigfoot move around in area, maybe as
Speaker 4: large as one hundred miles square miles whatever. Someone who
Speaker 4: has them on their land has seen them appear mainly
Speaker 4: in certain times of the year.
Speaker 2: They move.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they move for food like berries in spring and
Speaker 3: early summer and then farmfields.
Speaker 2: During harvest time. Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 4: Well, one of the.
Speaker 3: Things to it, you know, keep in mind that, you know,
Speaker 3: it's believed, and I do believe that they feed off
Speaker 3: like deer is a food source for them, along with
Speaker 3: other predators. They feed off the deer prey and maybe
Speaker 3: other small mammals.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, think about the conditions of the weather,
Speaker 4: the seasons, like if the winners are harsh, you know,
Speaker 4: and and and food sources become scarce for the prey
Speaker 4: animals if they have to move to find food where
Speaker 4: it's available, I mean, in that instance or that for
Speaker 4: that reason, I believe that the predators are going to
Speaker 4: follow or you know, over time they learned where to
Speaker 4: travel and move or follow the prey if that's what
Speaker 4: they if that's their main food, so you know, So,
Speaker 4: I mean, I do believe they do move according you know,
Speaker 4: if it's necessary, you know, because.
Speaker 3: Sources become limited. Again, it depends on how harsh the
Speaker 3: seasons are, you know, but.
Speaker 2: My question is here in Virginia. I can't speak for
Speaker 2: the rest of the country, but were we're located at,
Speaker 2: how many prey animals actually move Do either hunt it
Speaker 2: down to wait out the weather? Yeah, there is to
Speaker 2: go on to semi hibernation mode. I don't think the
Speaker 2: hibernate year around. I think the weather dictates it between Yeah,
Speaker 2: and who's to say they may not be the same
Speaker 2: way if they if they got a different metabolism sor
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just throwing that out there. I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't see deer migrating from northern Virginia down to
Speaker 2: southern Virginia Georgia. When it gets cold, they bed down,
Speaker 2: the hunker down. When they go out and feed, they
Speaker 2: dig through the snow to get down to the ground
Speaker 2: to get the stuff frozen on the ground and eat
Speaker 2: right that they can find. Unless you know something different,
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I did a lot more research
Speaker 2: in that area than I did well.
Speaker 3: As far as like deer in general, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying they strictly migrate or that they actually do,
Speaker 3: but I believe that some there are some species of
Speaker 3: animals over a period of time have moved around from
Speaker 3: up north, down south and actually settled down here, you know,
Speaker 3: and they end up becoming a popular age over time.
Speaker 4: For example, the red wolves. You know, there's been sightings
Speaker 4: of wolves here in Virginia and.
Speaker 3: Surrounding areas of West Virginia whatnot. You know, they again,
Speaker 3: they've been sighted here and you know, what brought him
Speaker 3: down here, I don't know, but they've over a period
Speaker 3: of time, you know, according to the research. Some of
Speaker 3: the information I have found online is they actually do
Speaker 3: the red wolves in general have moved down south.
Speaker 4: They're more mainly from northern the northern part of the county,
Speaker 4: you know, the country, maybe some out west now the
Speaker 4: mountain lying now that's a whole different story right there.
Speaker 4: You know, even though the authority say we don't have
Speaker 4: them here, but there's been so many eyewitnesses left and right,
Speaker 4: you know, throughout.
Speaker 3: Our counties here in other parts of the states. I
Speaker 3: knew a friend of mine, she lives down in Bedford.
Speaker 3: She said she almost hit one with her car.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: But the thing is, as far as how they got here,
Speaker 4: there could be a number of reasons how they got here,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: The one thing about a mountain lion I've heard, and.
Speaker 3: I don't know if this goes for other species. For
Speaker 3: the mountain lion, for example, if they have a toothache,
Speaker 3: you know, the one way they deal with it and
Speaker 3: they run. They build up adrenaline and run and by running,
Speaker 3: and they will run for miles and miles and miles
Speaker 3: from what I read and research, and.
Speaker 4: You know, coming I don't know where they come from originally,
Speaker 4: but eventually then they could end up in other territories
Speaker 4: that they're not normally known for being at.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You know, that's something I think about sometimes, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe they got here that way or perhaps some years
Speaker 3: ago from I've actually heard from some locals that heard
Speaker 3: from a source that was retired from a Howard higher
Speaker 3: source that where there's may.
Speaker 4: Male and female that will release.
Speaker 3: Untagged uh and then over time started populating.
Speaker 4: And you know, that's another thing that's a possibility there.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's any truth behind that, but
Speaker 4: there's so many different things we can look at.
Speaker 2: So I guess see one male and one female doing that,
Speaker 2: because you've got to have the DNA base to beget
Speaker 2: a valuable population for breeding. In my opinion, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not a scientist as far as all that, but uh,
Speaker 2: I just think it's natural expansion myself when it comes
Speaker 2: to that, and I think some of them have always
Speaker 2: been here. They thought maybe they've wiped them all out
Speaker 2: years back as they used to be here from understandings,
Speaker 2: just starting to come back to where it's not as sparsely.
Speaker 2: We got a lot of woodland here, And I've seen
Speaker 2: a program the other day where scientists saying about of
Speaker 2: all the woodland and the forests in the US, each year,
Speaker 2: only about ten to twelve percent of it is actually
Speaker 2: visited by humans, whether it be for hunting, hiking, recreation,
Speaker 2: ten to twelve percent of it on a regular basis
Speaker 2: is being visited by humans. So if we if that's
Speaker 2: such a small percentage of people going into what we have,
Speaker 2: natural expansion could also explain some of that that's going on.
Speaker 2: And that's my opinion. Though as far as.
Speaker 4: That sounds like we need to up that percentage.
Speaker 2: You would thank down here. I mean, don't forget about
Speaker 2: four one one people come up missing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but hey, you don't have to say safety or
Speaker 4: in numbers. So let's all go together.
Speaker 2: People come up listen. I don't know how big a
Speaker 2: groupe is like three or four people that's never been
Speaker 2: found again too. I mean there's other stories behind that stuff,
Speaker 2: theories you know why that may be. But my biggest
Speaker 2: thing is we still have a lot of the what's
Speaker 2: the old people that not old people, but the people
Speaker 2: I don't mean hillbillies. But there's another name for other
Speaker 2: people that live Pioneers off the grid. No, they they
Speaker 2: live off the grid. Uh, not the Hillbillies, they stated themselves.
Speaker 2: There's a name for it. No, there's something. It's right
Speaker 2: on the tip of my tongue, but I can't bring
Speaker 2: it up. And people always say when you go out
Speaker 2: in the woods, especially by yourself and one another person,
Speaker 2: be wary of these people that are out there.
Speaker 4: Uh, you're not talking about hobbits, are you.
Speaker 2: No? No, No, really, they're supposedly they're they're real people.
Speaker 2: They don't mingle with normal civilization. They live off the grid,
Speaker 2: rarely seen. Uh maybe somebody in the chap might know
Speaker 2: know the terminology I'm looking for, But they say you
Speaker 2: gotta watch out for There's many reports of people running
Speaker 2: into people like that out there, and it didn't fare
Speaker 2: too well in many cases. Try to tip of my tongue.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I just did a quick research.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: People who live away from civilization.
Speaker 3: Are often called a hermit or recluse if they live
Speaker 3: in a voluntary solitude, dude, off off gridder for those
Speaker 3: independent of public utility, or backwoodsmen or a mountaineer.
Speaker 2: No, everybody knows what hermits and off gridders and stuff
Speaker 2: like that is. It's you ever seen the movie Wrong, Ah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: something like that where they just solely that they don't
Speaker 2: mingle with everyday people. They stay out and off the
Speaker 2: grid in the woods. Uh. I didn't know. I won't
Speaker 2: take it down that path now when we hang everything
Speaker 2: up to now, that probably comes to my head. But
Speaker 2: there's a certain name that's called for them. I don't
Speaker 2: know if anybody's responding on a chatter or not, they
Speaker 2: might know what I'm talking about. Now.
Speaker 3: There's a list of names here too. This one here
Speaker 3: it's a feral people. Well, Pharaoh fair, Okay, that could
Speaker 3: be a name Pharaoh.
Speaker 4: This there's a name.
Speaker 3: It's a technical name for caved weiler, often used to
Speaker 3: describe someone living in a total isolation. The names called
Speaker 3: and again, I don't know if I'm pronouncing this correctly.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna try my best.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I went down that path, but
Speaker 2: I mean, for one one got.
Speaker 3: Truggle dyke. I don't know what I say. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'm pronouncing it correctly, but trug yeah, g
Speaker 3: g r O g l O d y t e.
Speaker 3: Again it's a technical uh technically a cave d weiler
Speaker 3: often used to describe someone living in total isolation.
Speaker 4: Again, that's just one of the random names in the here.
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, then you got no mads.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean all those are combinations for people
Speaker 2: that did that stuff like in the pastor this is
Speaker 2: people that does this today. But anyway that that's fine
Speaker 2: with that. But anyway, they say that a lot of
Speaker 2: people come up missing in these national forest and out
Speaker 2: west and everywhere even here in Virginia. That's never heard
Speaker 2: from again either. And some people say, well bigfoot gum.
Speaker 2: Some people say it's alien is a gum. Some people
Speaker 2: say it's uh, they just got lost. But there's there's
Speaker 2: too many nobody, nothing's ever found. I remember Gwynn Purcell,
Speaker 2: remember that documentary he was working on with a hunter
Speaker 2: supposed to went out hunting, never came back. Hundred that
Speaker 2: area all his life. Oh, I don't think they found
Speaker 2: any of any remains or anything except for his weapon.
Speaker 2: They never seen from again. Uh why did that come about?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, now we're not talking
Speaker 2: about people going not committing suicide, because he gave no
Speaker 2: indications on that. There's been reports of people, a group
Speaker 2: of people out walking in the woods and hiking and
Speaker 2: and and they see each other up ahead of everybody
Speaker 2: ahead of them, and then one person go around to
Speaker 2: turn on the trail. By the time everybody else gets
Speaker 2: up there, that person's gone. Never seen it, hurt from again,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, all kinds of weird things going
Speaker 2: on besides what we experienced while we were camping. Right,
Speaker 2: it's a I mean, I find it all fascinating as
Speaker 2: far as as far as all that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Like I said, there's only so many listening
Speaker 4: names here.
Speaker 3: I mean there's off burder, homesteader, a vagabondage.
Speaker 2: Uh. All those are common type of terminologists for either
Speaker 2: a person, single person and whatnot, or a group of
Speaker 2: people that move around like the nomads. But anyway, no,
Speaker 2: don't worry about all that. It had come to me
Speaker 2: at some point.
Speaker 4: Is a simple name.
Speaker 2: Small names. I mean, Pharaoh came to mind for some reason.
Speaker 2: Feral people, I mean, I don't know why that just
Speaker 2: could come to mind. But again, I don't want to
Speaker 2: go go down this path. That wasn't That wasn't part
Speaker 2: of the cast podcast tonight.
Speaker 5: That's a group of people travel and they live in
Speaker 5: tents and stuff, and they go around and sell their
Speaker 5: wares and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: They know that they they mingle with society. They live
Speaker 2: by themselves, but then again they mingle society. Okay, we're
Speaker 2: getting off the beating path.
Speaker 4: No, No, you're totally fine. Like I said, I don't
Speaker 4: mind going in random discussions. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 6: But humans uh and uh fagy according to st.
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with that terminology that.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how you pronounce it.
Speaker 2: I'll figure it out later.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: I think it's a movie wrong. I mean either way,
Speaker 2: that's fine. What other questions did you have written down
Speaker 2: you wanted to talk about tonight?
Speaker 4: Well, uh, well, there's a number of things here so
Speaker 4: we covered. When I asked you guys about hearing different
Speaker 4: sounds of vocal that you guys, if there was anything
Speaker 4: that you couldn't explain, you call Uh.
Speaker 3: Now, one of the other things I wanted to talk about.
Speaker 4: They you guys camp with me in two different areas.
Speaker 2: So we've been up.
Speaker 3: Around Elkhorn You can't there. You guys got familiar with there,
Speaker 3: mostly had an experience there at one of our camp
Speaker 3: areas out there. Uh So Elkorn Lake compared to where
Speaker 3: we've been camping, Now, how would you guys compare the
Speaker 3: two locations.
Speaker 2: Myself night and day? Yeah, just too much for me.
Speaker 2: Elkcren Lake. There's too much activity going on your round
Speaker 2: the berth, human activity, people coming in and all the time.
Speaker 2: You got that recreational lake there that people go to
Speaker 2: they come up their fishing and all that other stuff whatnot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's me. That's that's my personal feeling. There's
Speaker 2: too many distractions. Campsites are too close together compared to
Speaker 2: where we go. That's privitive, that's primitive. And elk Corp
Speaker 2: Two pretty much. They do have that one out house building,
Speaker 2: just not for showers. I don't think anything like that. No,
Speaker 2: that that's primitive camping too pretty much. But it's just
Speaker 2: with the public comes there, the whole events there every year,
Speaker 2: the bike rides.
Speaker 4: That Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: But for me, for what the way I want to
Speaker 2: approach it, there's too many, too much activity and too
Speaker 2: many distractions, and it makes it more difficult to rationalize
Speaker 2: if anything would happen unless it's just right in your face.
Speaker 2: Something's out of the ordinary, right, This is where we go. Now,
Speaker 2: hardly anybody goes out there. People don't. You're not having
Speaker 2: people driving by, you know, every twenty minutes going on
Speaker 2: that gravel road like you do out of the Elk
Speaker 2: corps and stuff. It's more secluded as well as premitive.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The environment seems to be more relaxed when I'm more
Speaker 2: compared to Elk Core.
Speaker 6: You can immerse yourself better.
Speaker 2: That's me, that's you immerse.
Speaker 6: Yourself in the wildlife. In the nature.
Speaker 5: You have more of the nature sounds versus humans contaminating
Speaker 5: it so much. You're able to you know, any recordings
Speaker 5: you get, they're not really authentic, but.
Speaker 6: They're more reliable to a point, versus up at Elkhorn.
Speaker 5: You try to record something, it might be contaminated with
Speaker 5: the next camp fighte whooping and hollering.
Speaker 6: Together and stuff.
Speaker 4: So you don't.
Speaker 6: I think you know you have.
Speaker 5: There is a lot of activity at both places, I
Speaker 5: believe in regards to bigfoot and wildlife, but you have
Speaker 5: less tamp right with any kind of evidence at slight
Speaker 5: Lick versus at Elkcorn.
Speaker 6: Elkhorn is more noisy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's understandable because of the where it is, the
Speaker 5: location and stuff. It does have more you know, campers
Speaker 5: and churists and stuff like that, whereas with slight Lick
Speaker 5: a lot of people.
Speaker 6: Don't know about it, a lot of people don't know where.
Speaker 5: It's at, and therefore you have less contamination issues if
Speaker 5: you understand I'm getting at Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, let's yeah, less interference and you know, now,
Speaker 4: I mean, for the record, yeah, I totally agree with
Speaker 4: you guys that you know, I spent years, I spent
Speaker 4: a lot of time exploring those woods around Elkhorn, and
Speaker 4: that's around the general area. So I mean I know
Speaker 4: a lot of the woods, and I mean there's places
Speaker 4: where I haven't even taken the guys who up there,
Speaker 4: where you guys may find more comfortable, you know, more secluded.
Speaker 3: However, of course, not you know up around the Elk
Speaker 3: Point where I've had a lot of my not all
Speaker 3: my experience, but some of my major experiences where I've
Speaker 3: had my encounters and I had other things happen up there,
Speaker 3: you know. But but you know, for example, what you
Speaker 3: guys will referring to you or explain, you know, talking
Speaker 3: about hearing, you know, having the human interaction or the
Speaker 3: traffic noise.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've been camping there with other people and
Speaker 4: you know, it will be.
Speaker 3: Dig quiet, and all of a sudden you'll have a
Speaker 3: vehicle that some of them come out of coming from
Speaker 3: the lake very slowly. And if it's quiet something you know,
Speaker 3: of course it's all gravel for you there. And sometimes
Speaker 3: the sound of a.
Speaker 4: Tire when it.
Speaker 3: Drives over or rolls over a rock, the sound of
Speaker 3: the rock and the tire, you know, it sounds like
Speaker 3: a knock sometimes by the way it hits and bangs
Speaker 3: that rock. Well, I've had so many people and I've
Speaker 3: gotten used to that sound.
Speaker 4: I know that sounds very well. I've had people get
Speaker 4: excited because like, hey there's a tree knock blah blah bh.
Speaker 3: No, it's just a pop up at tire hitting the rock,
Speaker 3: you know, and stuff like that. So you know, little
Speaker 3: things like that, you know, I've come to learn to
Speaker 3: realize what things.
Speaker 2: Are, you know.
Speaker 4: But so yeah, you know, like you guys.
Speaker 3: Mentioned, yeah, they do the bike of thon or whatever
Speaker 3: you want to call that. They do that like at
Speaker 3: least twice a year.
Speaker 2: That I know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember that. Wow. Yeah yeah, So I mean
Speaker 4: I've heard things out there that caught me off guard.
Speaker 3: You hear this weird vocalization and you keep hearing it,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden it gets closer and closer,
Speaker 3: and it's like, what the heck is that certain times
Speaker 3: of the year where the hunters will have their dogs
Speaker 3: on the back of their truck, and the sound that
Speaker 3: they want when those hound dogs are are you.
Speaker 4: Know, doing what they do.
Speaker 3: Judging from how far away it is, it throws you
Speaker 3: off that the way the sound carries until you hear
Speaker 3: it get closer and closer, and all of a sudden
Speaker 3: you hear them, you know, like, oh my gosh, it's
Speaker 3: just a dog. So yeah, you get that out there
Speaker 3: a lot too. So so yeah, I totally get it.
Speaker 3: When there's a lot.
Speaker 4: Of what you know, when you guys are talking about
Speaker 4: lot of interaction and a lot of interference, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: from human traffic, you know, human traffic to whatever else
Speaker 4: goes going out there. But so, but you know, like
Speaker 4: I said, I mean, I will always have a lot
Speaker 4: of respect for the elk Wort Lake area because of
Speaker 4: you know, things I've experienced and hurt out there, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, especially being by myself during the hunt seasons.
Speaker 3: You know, hearing the things I've hurt out there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's been It's always been fascinating.
Speaker 4: Out there, but since I've been camping this area with
Speaker 4: you guys, it's, uh, yeah, there's a lot excitement out there,
Speaker 4: you know, regardless if we understand it or not.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've I mean, I mean, I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 3: I want to spend as much time out there, you
Speaker 3: know it's possible.
Speaker 2: Well, watching your previous videos on the YouTube channel where
Speaker 2: you spent I think it was that there, Lick, I'm
Speaker 2: surprised you just spend more time out there before I
Speaker 2: met you, because didn't you have one on there where
Speaker 2: somebody reported that their trailer was being rocked, one camp
Speaker 2: was being rocked one night. You got a video on
Speaker 2: there to where uh you actually put powder down on
Speaker 2: the ground where it looked like you were following something
Speaker 2: when something had walked through the area.
Speaker 3: Well that trackway was found. Yeah, well nine ten years ago,
Speaker 3: I was definite. Yeah, we actually yeah, I got pictures
Speaker 3: and video of that.
Speaker 2: And then see, oh that was a slight lick, Yeah,
Speaker 2: wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah it was Actually that was found in the
Speaker 3: same area we became the same location where we all
Speaker 3: camp at, where we were we set up camp, that's
Speaker 3: where that was found. So yeah, right in the same area.
Speaker 3: Of course, back then the area looked a little bit different.
Speaker 3: It was a lot more like I don't I don't
Speaker 3: know why.
Speaker 4: It looked different then, but but like right there, right
Speaker 4: there behind our camp area where it drops down to
Speaker 4: where the stream is, I mean they used to be.
Speaker 4: At one time, there used to be a line of
Speaker 4: bushes that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, that was right through there.
Speaker 3: I guess over time people started cutting and whacking them away.
Speaker 3: But yeah, there was a line of bushes there where
Speaker 3: there was gaps in between them, you know. But like
Speaker 3: I said, a lot of that got cut down, you know,
Speaker 3: So it's you know, it changed a little bit, but uh,
Speaker 3: and not far. You know, a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: take this into consideration, but I have found deer remains
Speaker 3: out there around slate.
Speaker 4: Look not far from our camp here where the bones
Speaker 4: the arms.
Speaker 3: Of the deer were snapped in half and twisted, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, and the ones that were snapped in half,
Speaker 3: they were snapped going the opposite way, you know, like
Speaker 3: you know with elbows. Imagine our arm being broke the
Speaker 3: other way. I have found exactly. I have found deer
Speaker 3: remains like that, the broken bones like that, and again
Speaker 3: I found limbs and parts of the deer twisted out there,
Speaker 3: you know, now unlike elhorn. Now, over a period of time,
Speaker 3: I have come across several deer remade full carcasses, like
Speaker 3: the full skeletal remains of a deer, And three out
Speaker 3: of the several.
Speaker 4: I found that the three of them that I've ever
Speaker 4: found out, they had something common which I've always been
Speaker 4: curious about.
Speaker 2: What is doing that?
Speaker 4: But there now of the front of the skull has
Speaker 4: been risked off, you know, what's doing that?
Speaker 3: That's I've had some people say that's the work of
Speaker 3: a mountainline, But then again mountain lions, I hear go
Speaker 3: for the neck or the back.
Speaker 4: Of the neck, you know, throw the other quick kill. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: so I don't know. I mean, there's there's been some
Speaker 4: strange stuff I found in both areas. But yeah, el
Speaker 4: Port Lake and like I said that that was an
Speaker 4: old video.
Speaker 3: I do have that on one of my older videos
Speaker 3: that was viewed with a very cheap camera phone. It
Speaker 3: was probably when I was probably the first I think
Speaker 3: the first smartphone. Uh it was a cheap smartphone, but
Speaker 3: it was when the smartphones were fairly new and their
Speaker 3: camera qualities weren't weren't the best.
Speaker 4: But now you know, we got camera that recorded four
Speaker 4: K which was awesome. So yeah, so yeah, yeah, comparing
Speaker 4: the environments to the habitats, you know, like I said,
Speaker 4: as far as between both locations, uh, I mean as
Speaker 4: of right now with what we're doing now, I mean
Speaker 4: there there's a lot that we experienced, uh in this
Speaker 4: area that we're now if we.
Speaker 3: Do experience more, I'm hoping I'm hoping to capture more
Speaker 3: and document it more on film.
Speaker 4: You know a lot of you know, what we have
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 3: You know, people get to hear more of what we
Speaker 3: experience rather than see it for themselves. So that's something
Speaker 3: I want to try to improve on on my part
Speaker 3: because I don't always I'm not always prepared for something.
Speaker 3: You know, and I know it's supposed to be, but
Speaker 3: I mean that would require me recording every minute of
Speaker 3: the time out there.
Speaker 7: You know, you're not gonna be able to really get
Speaker 7: away from that with how we go about it, because
Speaker 7: we don't have like you brought up many times before,
Speaker 7: we don't have productive crews out.
Speaker 2: There following us around at We don't have people sitting
Speaker 2: back at an editing room and going through all the
Speaker 2: footage from a week's a couple of weekend recordings and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, or we don't have that availability. We
Speaker 2: just have to go about smarter and and hope for
Speaker 2: the best after that. I know that I know where
Speaker 2: my action can on my chest, but some people say,
Speaker 2: y'all put one on your back at the same time
Speaker 2: because you're walking down the path or whatever. You don't
Speaker 2: know if anything crossed the path behind you or not right,
Speaker 2: stuff like that. So we just have to rethink about
Speaker 2: how we are doing what we're doing. We're going to
Speaker 2: evolve as we do it. Yeah, we're not going to
Speaker 2: catch everything. I mean, that's gonna be a given. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't have a three sixty camera to
Speaker 2: put on my head. We're on top of my hat
Speaker 2: like Google. Yeah, yeah, I mean think about it. I
Speaker 2: mean they do have cameras like that, but I don't
Speaker 2: know how well they work that night yeah after dark.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have done that before. I mean
Speaker 4: up around Elkhorn and stuff. I had a.
Speaker 3: I used to have a rough sack they had to
Speaker 3: steal frames, had the framework and I had my actually
Speaker 3: camera mounted on top, actually walked facing behind me.
Speaker 4: I've only I've done that, you know, a couple of times.
Speaker 2: But uh, let's see see things like that. We may
Speaker 2: have to starting pulling again. I mean, yeah, especially now
Speaker 2: when things are starting to happen and I hate to
Speaker 2: miss it. I hate missing that light that night. But yeah,
Speaker 2: when you're out exploring, you're not always thinking about something. Pop.
Speaker 2: We know what's going to happen, but when not prepared,
Speaker 2: when it pops up out of nowhere, exactly a lot
Speaker 2: of that stuff, Uh.
Speaker 4: I know. It's frustrating though.
Speaker 3: It is because you know a lot of people are like, oh,
Speaker 3: why don't you well, you see these things, why don't
Speaker 3: you film them?
Speaker 4: Well, you're caught up in the moment.
Speaker 3: You're not, like you said, you're not you know, you're
Speaker 3: looking for things and you're you know, you want to
Speaker 3: pay attention to you don't want to miss something. But
Speaker 3: then again, the secondary thing having a camera available with
Speaker 3: your oh crap, I wasn't recording at that time, you know,
Speaker 3: because I was trying to preserve on film time and
Speaker 3: whatever A battery. Now I've got extra batteries.
Speaker 2: They don't see, they don't realize that you may have
Speaker 2: extra batteries, but you got you gotta have the get.
Speaker 2: You can have all the batteries you want. But if
Speaker 2: you don't have the capacity to get all the recordings
Speaker 2: for the hours to spend out there on your equipment,
Speaker 2: you're basically blowing in the wind. Yeah. And then again,
Speaker 2: you know, be walking around out there with two hundred
Speaker 2: pounds of equipment on your dag all back either you know,
Speaker 2: pointing the four different directions and a ton of batteries
Speaker 2: in your pockets. What not fifteen flash lights? I mean,
Speaker 2: that's not practical and you're not going to catch everything.
Speaker 2: It's just been be a little smarter about how we
Speaker 2: go about it. And beyond that, it's gonna be a
Speaker 2: hit and miss. We're not gonna get away from that.
Speaker 6: Plus, the more equipment to carry, the more noise you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna make, yeah, I mean right, And I only try
Speaker 3: to pack light if I can, Like my backpack I
Speaker 3: carry with me out there. I only try to keep
Speaker 3: a few necessities in there. Especially when it's nighttime. I
Speaker 3: keep my thermal with me. I mean, I want my
Speaker 3: thermal camera with me, you know, I try to have
Speaker 3: that prepared, you know, like the night we saw the light.
Speaker 3: As soon as we saw the light and it went away,
Speaker 3: you know, what did we do? I pulled off the thermal.
Speaker 3: It's right away, you know. You know, and you did
Speaker 3: the same thing. You walk up ahead and try to
Speaker 3: capture from a different view with your permal, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, we do try. We put the effort in
Speaker 4: there for trying, you know.
Speaker 2: But after that, after that, all we do to tell
Speaker 2: the stories of what happened, and people take it from
Speaker 2: what it's worth exactly when when more than one people
Speaker 2: experience it and and we're and we're not out there
Speaker 2: to make stories up. I can't do that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 5: If we spend so much time trying to document and
Speaker 5: report everything, we're going to miss something that actually truly happens.
Speaker 6: Those we're so focused on making sure the battery.
Speaker 2: Power is good and all that exactly.
Speaker 5: Some things happen because off camera because they're meant to.
Speaker 4: Happen off camera.
Speaker 6: Well, and what's this.
Speaker 5: I've seen some crazy things myself. We need to learn
Speaker 5: to just take a moment to think and bring before
Speaker 5: we make a move. That could be the most important
Speaker 5: moment of your life. I showed Dan my dog man picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true, stop and breathe and hopefully, well
Speaker 2: somethings just happened like that, like that light. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: because Williams at nighttime. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: any equipment we have would be able to record it,
Speaker 2: even though it was right for what it was about
Speaker 2: forty yards away. But I don't think we would have
Speaker 2: Our equipment would not have been sensitive enough to be
Speaker 2: able to I don't think be able to pick that
Speaker 2: light up that distance to give any credence to what
Speaker 2: we saw, because you got to really have a low
Speaker 2: light camera that you can just turn on and be
Speaker 2: able to record it. Now, could could it have been
Speaker 2: picked up on thermal or or it could have been
Speaker 2: a possibility, But we're not out there walking around with
Speaker 2: the thermals. I are watching every day on spot where
Speaker 2: we go to. Yeah, I wish it had an action
Speaker 2: cam that had thermal mode. You hit record and just
Speaker 2: record the entire time a thermal or and in for
Speaker 2: rid one of the two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, it's like my device, my thermal I know,
Speaker 3: yours is a monarchy. Mine is a camera that's connected
Speaker 3: to my boom and for the record for those oh
Speaker 3: you got you gotta want you know, it's not the
Speaker 3: other plugging things.
Speaker 2: It's mine.
Speaker 4: More advancing the I feel what they call them.
Speaker 3: I used to have one for a Android a long
Speaker 3: time ago, but this is completely different and it runs
Speaker 3: off an app and the device together and it's amazing
Speaker 3: and you can see, for I mean, from our camp,
Speaker 3: I've had good clear vision of the field tree line
Speaker 3: across from us.
Speaker 4: You know, my captures just as you know like yours does.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I would love to have it said in
Speaker 4: mount deal with you have to I should go in
Speaker 4: and turn it on. You know it's whatever.
Speaker 2: But well, so that's that's the Achilles Hill, this type
Speaker 2: of equipment. Yeah, if if you walk around with it
Speaker 2: on and your focus on that equipment, you're gonna miss
Speaker 2: a lot of other stuff around you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: We need to have something we just turn on, let
Speaker 2: a record while we could still look and listen and
Speaker 2: interact with the environment. And plus you've got the safety
Speaker 2: aspect because in the summertime, that's when the timber rattlesnakes
Speaker 2: and the comprehends get out and move the most right
Speaker 2: hut and.
Speaker 5: We all know that from that.
Speaker 2: But they do move around twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 2: but there's certain time frames in the day based on
Speaker 2: the heat where they're more active. Yeah, the time frames
Speaker 2: were out there, they're going to be more active soon.
Speaker 2: You've got to take safety into account too. You gotta
Speaker 2: watch where you step, where you go for the for
Speaker 2: the best you can. We don't always do that obviously.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been fortunate enough.
Speaker 2: To awareness about you when when you're out there in
Speaker 2: the woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, when it comes to the rattle stakes and
Speaker 3: venom the snakes out there. Of course, we've been fortunate
Speaker 3: to where they've been stationary and in one place, but
Speaker 3: they also start us, you know when we do know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but look, look emen, and you walk by
Speaker 2: every time you're out there, don't even realize it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean timber rattlers. People don't realize they're a docile snake.
Speaker 2: Don't pick them up, don't step on them. Now, if
Speaker 2: you touch them or get too close by making extra
Speaker 2: vibrations by maybe breaking the branch by stepping on or
Speaker 2: something that you may give off a rattle. But then again,
Speaker 2: they don't always rattle before they strike. A lot of
Speaker 2: people think you're gonna hear that rattle first. That's not
Speaker 2: always the case when it comes to the timber rapper. Now,
Speaker 2: the copperhead, he's got his own little latitude and everything else,
Speaker 2: and he's gonna believe in the environment that he don't
Speaker 2: get as big as a timber. But for the most
Speaker 2: perfect I mean, we just have to take safety into
Speaker 2: consideration when we're out there to especially after dark, there's.
Speaker 5: Another wildlife too you need to be wary of because there.
Speaker 2: Where we go there's rocks, it's fallen trees, and they
Speaker 2: say just on the ground out. Yeah, they can be
Speaker 2: up on the log. You know, they be hanging on
Speaker 2: a branch you're walking by. So we can't be focused
Speaker 2: here worried about getting the recording and then not be
Speaker 2: able to deserve around you. Not only for the safety aspect,
Speaker 2: but what if you would see movement over to your left,
Speaker 2: but you're looking over to your left when you're not looking,
Speaker 2: but you're looking here at your camera trying to record
Speaker 2: over here. I like something where you can just put
Speaker 2: on your equipment, turn it on, be able to go,
Speaker 2: especially at night time. It's what I'm thinking about, because
Speaker 2: that's a more critical point because you got to limited
Speaker 2: vision and stuff that has something that was either I
Speaker 2: R or infrared equipped. Turn it on, let it record,
Speaker 2: and then just go out and do your thing without
Speaker 2: having to worry about Just get the recording as you're
Speaker 2: going to law. But I don't think the equipment we
Speaker 2: have will be sensit enough to be able to pick
Speaker 2: that light up. I mean, you have to have a
Speaker 2: real low light camera. Even if it took my can
Speaker 2: if I D Mark four out there, my F four
Speaker 2: lens wouldn't be sent enough for I have to get
Speaker 2: a point two lens F stop lens has a real
Speaker 2: wide averture to be able to do that right, and
Speaker 2: that's like a four thousand dollars lens. I can't afford that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's impractical, plus the cameras to be because
Speaker 2: right out the dark anyway. That's why I like the
Speaker 2: action camps. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, one thing that you made me think about, David,
Speaker 4: as far as you know, talking about having something out
Speaker 4: there where we can see it on recording. Now, I
Speaker 4: have a small it's a handheld night vision monocular. I
Speaker 4: think it does pretty good. It does pretty good for
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not a very expensive device, but from
Speaker 3: what I played around with it, it does pretty good work.
Speaker 3: You know, I can't guarantee that the footage is going
Speaker 3: to be clear, especially if we're moving around at night
Speaker 3: look trying to look and and you know, investigate the
Speaker 3: woods at night, but it may help after something. Now
Speaker 3: it does you know, like a lot of these handheld
Speaker 3: devices like mine, it does have the threads on the
Speaker 3: bottom where you can put something in it and work
Speaker 3: and mount it somewhere. So that's an option where I
Speaker 3: may be able to put it up on my shoulder
Speaker 3: strap of my of my backpack, which I you know,
Speaker 3: because I now have the strap set up in the
Speaker 3: mount for my action camera on my on the lower part.
Speaker 4: Of my back backpack strap. So that's something I might
Speaker 4: look into to see if I can mount something up high.
Speaker 2: If you if you got the equipment, use it. It's
Speaker 2: no good to get the equipment, regardless of how expensive
Speaker 2: or not it is. Just leave it back in the
Speaker 2: back to me. That'll make any sense for that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, unless i'm mounted or scrappage in.
Speaker 2: My hand something. You know, at least you may get
Speaker 2: surprised what you might be able to catch with it,
Speaker 2: or at least enough at least something to give credence
Speaker 2: to what you're trying to relate what you're trying to
Speaker 2: tell the story about. Right, but you're not going to
Speaker 2: know unless you use it. If we got it, we
Speaker 2: may as well use it. I mean that. I mean, well,
Speaker 2: what I just wish you had more to be at
Speaker 2: our exposal, but we have to buy everything we use.
Speaker 2: You know, we're not funded, we don't have networks. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to network people out there follow me
Speaker 2: around anyway. I'm not about that. I don't want five
Speaker 2: other people walk around the clunky equipment and doing all
Speaker 2: their due. Now, somebody must come out of do a
Speaker 2: documentary or something like that for a night. That's one thing.
Speaker 2: But you go out there and follow you around for
Speaker 2: two or three four days. I think you're beating the
Speaker 2: dead horse with that. It could be wrong. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's my opinion. I mean, plus there'll be a distraction too.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had people tell me, like back when
Speaker 3: I've done my other group camp out, you know, oh,
Speaker 3: you have too many people out in the woods. Well,
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, six of us shared in account together. So
Speaker 3: I mean it was totally unexpected and it happened. You know,
Speaker 3: she was one of the guys that was with us.
Speaker 4: Now we didn't know this at the time, but he
Speaker 4: had his cam he had his camport route. Now his
Speaker 4: camport was not ir CA category, was it in an.
Speaker 3: Infrared or nothing like that, but because we had enough
Speaker 3: light shining down in there, and he was recording the
Speaker 3: whole situation, and he had his cam cocus out in
Speaker 3: the woods with what we were seeing there in person.
Speaker 3: Now I learned about this later on. He had two
Speaker 3: different versions. He put one up for what it was,
Speaker 3: and then he did another one where he tried to
Speaker 3: enhance it and did this and that.
Speaker 4: Now, now some people that watched that claim they've seen
Speaker 4: the eye shine. The eye Shine supposedly got picked up
Speaker 4: in the video. Now, I personally, I watched his video
Speaker 4: so many times, and I believe it's still available.
Speaker 2: I'll have to look it up.
Speaker 4: But I couldn't see nothing. I mean, in my honest opinion,
Speaker 4: I don't think he picked anything up. But I was again,
Speaker 4: I was surprised that he did that. I got excited
Speaker 4: when I learned that he did that. But like I said,
Speaker 4: two of us said night vision monoculars. But they were
Speaker 4: both in our backpack, and when when we realized and
Speaker 4: thought about it, it was too late, and of course
Speaker 4: we were kicking kicking ourselves from the butt. I mean,
Speaker 4: they were small, handheld infrared monoculars, you know. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, they were video capable, but I just again,
Speaker 4: they weren't expensive devices.
Speaker 3: But even then, we could have got better observations of
Speaker 3: what we were seeing. We could have probably shared better details,
Speaker 3: but with what we had at the time, I mean,
Speaker 3: it was basically our word.
Speaker 2: Against anyone else's, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a few of us that still talk
Speaker 4: about it. I mean I bring it up when I
Speaker 4: get asked about it on podcasts. I've been on two
Speaker 4: other podcasts this month as a guest. I got another
Speaker 4: one coming up Thursday at seven pm as a pre recording,
Speaker 4: so I got that going on then Friday and Saturday. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll remind everybody if you guys are listening, I do
Speaker 4: want to remind everybody since we have a decent audience
Speaker 4: watching right now this Friday and also Saturday right here
Speaker 4: on YouTube channel Bigfoot Zone E C B R O
Speaker 4: I do have. They will be played live Ronald Berfy
Speaker 4: on Friday night and Kevin.
Speaker 3: Kevin Letharge on Saturday night. So yeah, I have two
Speaker 3: podcasts coming up with Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 4: You can see them.
Speaker 3: They're already posted for upcoming podcast on the channel. Hopefully
Speaker 3: you guys tune in for Friday and Saturday night. So
Speaker 3: I just wanted to bring that up and make mention
Speaker 3: of that real quick. So oh Faith said, I want
Speaker 3: one of those l O L maybe for my birthday.
Speaker 3: I think you're talking about my night.
Speaker 2: You should.
Speaker 4: Anything's possible, h m hmm. And then she also goes
Speaker 4: on to say it, but seeing is believing for most cases. Yes, unfortunately,
Speaker 4: that's a sad truth, you know. And David, you brought
Speaker 4: this up yourself. When it comes to evidence, and even
Speaker 4: if we were to be fortunate.
Speaker 3: To capture a bigfoot or capture something amazing on camera,
Speaker 3: AI has destroyed a lot of what we do, and
Speaker 3: that goes for anybody because there's all kinds of AI
Speaker 3: videos out there, and the sad truth there's there's a
Speaker 3: lot of people that believe it, you know, so well.
Speaker 2: My opinion on that is, Fortunately, I'm not out there
Speaker 2: for the AI part. I'm not out there for uh recognition.
Speaker 2: I'm out there for me. Lit's out there for her.
Speaker 2: We we want our answers and and and what we do,
Speaker 2: sharing what we do with other people and enlightens them
Speaker 2: to see our point of view or maybe change their
Speaker 2: mind or maybe get them to get out there too.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: That that's what it's all about. People could be naysayers
Speaker 2: all they want. They can laugh at what you do
Speaker 2: is scoff about it. But the main thing of it
Speaker 2: is we're out there. We're having fun, we're getting out
Speaker 2: of the house. We've got the camaraderie, we've got the camping,
Speaker 2: we've got the wildlife to enjoy. And then we do
Speaker 2: our research at the same time. And people could take
Speaker 2: it for what it is when we tell our stories
Speaker 2: or not. But or they could just dismiss it and
Speaker 2: laugh and go on sit on the couch and watch
Speaker 2: the nightly news for all I care. Yeah, we're enjoying
Speaker 2: what we're doing and there's nothing gonna change that none.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna keep on doing it. And if
Speaker 2: we do get something by chance, that's pretty telling significant. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's up to them they want to believe it or not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all we could do is to relate to them. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's gonna take my life when we're the other. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna go beat on a tree or nothing
Speaker 2: like that because they made me mad or hurt my ego.
Speaker 2: How bigger than that?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 3: Another thing, kind of off topic, One of the things
Speaker 3: I wrote down to is, Yeah, I knew you guys
Speaker 3: heard me talk about this, but you know, and even
Speaker 3: when I've been out there by myself, but for years,
Speaker 3: it's been fascinating to me to think of.
Speaker 4: Caves and all.
Speaker 3: The eras we've been through them, think of what caves
Speaker 3: like cave structures. Yeah, but you know, some of the
Speaker 3: things I've been watching when watching these different videos.
Speaker 4: These outdoor videos, and I.
Speaker 3: Don't know what states they're based ont of, but one
Speaker 3: of the things I've learned about these areas is.
Speaker 4: A lot of these stream beds and stuff.
Speaker 3: Were these streams that come out of the mountain and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, where they seem like they're coming they're
Speaker 3: coming out of the ground.
Speaker 4: Most likely there is a cave structure somewhere that's down
Speaker 4: in that mountain or the hillside or whatever. Also down
Speaker 4: the street, different stream beds where a lot of flow
Speaker 4: come through and they try up over certain times a.
Speaker 3: Year well, and where portions of the stream may try
Speaker 3: up and then all a sudden you might see it
Speaker 3: popping out and streaming somewhere else down below there's a
Speaker 3: sign of a cave.
Speaker 4: But you know, the thing is you always wonder is there.
Speaker 3: An entrance for the year, is there I've always been
Speaker 3: wanting to find stuff like that.
Speaker 4: It's easier said than done, you know, But again, cave.
Speaker 3: Structures, I would love to find more for the very
Speaker 3: thought in the theory that you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: us do believe that Sasquatch is a cave dweller, and
Speaker 3: they they know where these places are, you know, they
Speaker 3: know where they've lived there all their life.
Speaker 4: So yeah, they know the territory better than we do,
Speaker 4: of course. So that's something I want to constantly.
Speaker 3: Keep an eye out, you know, if you're you know,
Speaker 3: even if it looks like a cluster of rocks with
Speaker 3: an opening, I want to investigate it.
Speaker 4: I've done that numerous times.
Speaker 3: Now over an elk One lake down below. I mean
Speaker 3: I have seen things driving by looking up on the
Speaker 3: high ridge side. They clearly do look like in the cave.
Speaker 4: They don't look that asssible to a human, you know,
Speaker 4: they look pretty steep, but maybe a bear. But I
Speaker 4: don't know about us. I don't know, but I want
Speaker 4: to keep my eyes open for possible case structures.
Speaker 2: And if we come.
Speaker 3: Across something that looks, you know, promising, I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 3: check it out.
Speaker 4: I mean hopefully it's not too hard to.
Speaker 2: Get it to Yeah, it's well, you know they're out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just getting at the right locations and be able to
Speaker 2: find stuff like that and that that just how deep
Speaker 2: do you want to go? As far as have much
Speaker 2: time you got to play around with be able to
Speaker 2: go deep and come back or you know, maybe just
Speaker 2: take a day or two, just walk and stay overnight
Speaker 2: and walk back the next day. I mean, you got
Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty degrees too from I mean, which
Speaker 2: way going to go? I mean, that's it's gonna be
Speaker 2: happenstance unless you could get a good map or if
Speaker 2: somebody could tell you where a cave systems at. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you just have to you know, look around when you
Speaker 2: go out in the woods and you know, do what
Speaker 2: we do. Uh. And who's to say if he's the smartest,
Speaker 2: I think they should be that there may be entrances
Speaker 2: out there that may be camouflaged.
Speaker 4: No, that's true. Yeah, I've actually given that some plot too.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean how well is the Kimbalid I
Speaker 3: would would question is would we be able to identify.
Speaker 4: Something that looks like okay, you know that looks like
Speaker 4: something's covering something. You know, I don't know if that
Speaker 4: would be possible.
Speaker 2: But you'd have to get lucky. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6: Also under behind one.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's not impossible, but it all depends
Speaker 2: on how it's camouflage something that just wouldn't look like
Speaker 2: something just in cult your attention just momentarily to be
Speaker 2: check it out right, it's I mean, that's I mean,
Speaker 2: you you go many different directions on that or something
Speaker 2: to keep in the back of your mind. Look for
Speaker 2: something that's not normal for that given area you're currently
Speaker 2: at that may be concealing something Uh, look at everything
Speaker 2: else you find out there you didn't mean to find
Speaker 2: as far as out of the ordinary, right, if something's
Speaker 2: concealed on purpose, I don't think it'll be hard. I
Speaker 2: think it'd just be more luck than being hard to
Speaker 2: be able to do that, being at the right place
Speaker 2: and being able to come across it. Absolutely. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: just my opinion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real quick, I want to make mention. As Faith
Speaker 3: said during the chat, she's I can't wait to meet everyone.
Speaker 4: She definitely plans on coming out to join us, but
Speaker 4: it doesn't look like she'll be able to do it
Speaker 4: this year un something changes on her end from Pennsylvania. However,
Speaker 4: she's currently living in Indiana for the time being, so
Speaker 4: she hopes to nake it out sometimes in the future,
Speaker 4: but time will tell. I do want to make mention
Speaker 4: of a couple other things. There's a few dates I
Speaker 4: have written down, and these different dates will grow over
Speaker 4: time as I'm waiting to get feedback from various locations.
Speaker 4: For example, I have a few Bigfoot town hall gatherings scheduled.
Speaker 3: I had one a few weeks ago. It was supposed
Speaker 3: to be up to Pennsylvania. Because of weather, I cancel
Speaker 3: her now but I'll go ahead and name these few
Speaker 3: dates in the location where I'm holding these Bigfoot gatherings,
Speaker 3: and they are taking place at public libraries. February twenty
Speaker 3: eighth in Parkersburg, West Virginia, I'll be doing a presentation
Speaker 3: and also I put it out there to where I'm
Speaker 3: hoping hoping to gather some eyewitnesses that may come out
Speaker 3: their stories as well. There is I do have a
Speaker 3: during my stay out there. I'll be out there a
Speaker 3: couple of days.
Speaker 2: Before that.
Speaker 4: Leading up to that date.
Speaker 3: That date is on a Saturday, but I do have
Speaker 3: an interview I'll be filming and in the individual.
Speaker 4: Linda Linda will be out there, man braink Heart remembering
Speaker 4: this last name. She's actually was a guest on here before.
Speaker 3: And then March, the weekend of March nineteenth, the twenty first,
Speaker 3: I will be I will be in Pennsylvania doing a
Speaker 3: doing an investigation and a camp out for that weekend.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's March nineteenth and twenty first. Jump ahead
Speaker 4: to May. Of course, we have our group camp out
Speaker 4: here in Virginia May seventeenth, the twenty six and then
Speaker 4: August fifteenth down in Alconey, South Carolina at the Alconey
Speaker 4: Public Library. I have that set up and schedule with
Speaker 4: them to do a public gathering town hall. Again. I'll
Speaker 4: do a presentation here as well. And again these dates
Speaker 4: I'm taking advantage of trying to put.
Speaker 2: More word out there, you know.
Speaker 4: I want to gather information, more reports. And again as
Speaker 4: far as me doing presentations at these events, it's so
Speaker 4: it's just a small part of me spreading awareness of
Speaker 4: the research and the awareness of the Sasquatch.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: So so I just want to throw out there also,
Speaker 4: I want to throw out there to any of the listeners,
Speaker 4: if anyone that's watches and has a big story and
Speaker 4: you want to be a part of this podcast and
Speaker 4: have your story told, you know, with no judgment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we like the question, you know, and ask questions
Speaker 3: on the interviews and whatnot.
Speaker 4: But again, this is a judgment free zone.
Speaker 3: I want to welcome you guys, but come forward, and
Speaker 3: if you do have a story and you want to share,
Speaker 3: share it on here. Uh, send me an email if
Speaker 3: you're not on Facebook with me, if you're not connected
Speaker 3: with me on Facebook. Uh, if you can see my
Speaker 3: email address right right over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right above me over here. Uh.
Speaker 4: E C b r O ninety eight at gmail dot com.
Speaker 4: Send me an email again, that's E. C. B r
Speaker 4: O ninety eight at gmail dot com. Oh yeah, there's
Speaker 4: Those are just a few things I want to make mention.
Speaker 4: Let's see what we got here. Make sure I'm not
Speaker 4: listening to I think I covered pretty much everything I
Speaker 4: had written down, so basically.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so, ladies and gentlemen, Uh uh if there's
Speaker 3: not anything else we want to share before we jump
Speaker 3: out here, Oh hold on, well we've got uh.
Speaker 4: Faith is asking have you ever been to the Last
Speaker 4: City in West Virginia?
Speaker 2: Very placed?
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I saw quit that game the Lost
Speaker 3: City in West Virginia.
Speaker 5: I know about the Lost City West Virginia back off of.
Speaker 2: Brocks Gap Road or the Lost River.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not familiar about Lost City. Uh is that
Speaker 4: the same same thing as the Lost River? Camp Brown
Speaker 4: or Camp Ver? I know right off of brox Scamp
Speaker 4: Road there is a lost.
Speaker 8: Lost ohcause that's just that's west of where we can't Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: I almost lost.
Speaker 4: I could have sort it was called Lost River the
Speaker 4: one I'm thinking about. Uh, it might be Lost City.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's river.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lost River State Park. Yeah, that's in my thighs,
Speaker 3: West Virginia. Yeah, that's right up the road.
Speaker 2: Maybe the Lost City backer too. I think I seen
Speaker 2: a little sun on the Lost City.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Lost City and Lost River from parts are in.
Speaker 4: Hardy County, West Virginia.
Speaker 5: Okay, the Lost City is where the what's that dam
Speaker 5: back there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right off of two fifty.
Speaker 6: Nine, So that's where our city is.
Speaker 2: It's where that damne baggage. That's what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yep, says what she said. Yeah, Lost Last City.
Speaker 3: When I look it up on the map for showing
Speaker 3: right off at two fifty nine, right up the road
Speaker 3: from where we can't So.
Speaker 5: Some of my great grandmother's ancestors, some of her family
Speaker 5: members were buried there in the cemetery that's now underwater
Speaker 5: because of.
Speaker 6: The dam that was built there. What is the name
Speaker 6: of that dam?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: And it's right in that area. Yeah. Uh I'm trying
Speaker 4: to look on the map see for West Virginia. Dam
Speaker 4: yeh Nope, not Parker Hollow, New.
Speaker 6: Parker Hollow.
Speaker 4: Rude Ay, yeah, yay.
Speaker 2: Mhm.
Speaker 4: Is there a part of uh no, no, damn.
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's not it. Well, it doesn't matter as far
Speaker 2: as that. Okay, well that's pretty cool. Mhm thot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I guess you know what, guys, Uh, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I mean if technically we could probably keep going, which
Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind, but I know it's late for.
Speaker 2: A lot of people.
Speaker 4: Uh it's ten thirty eight pm here on the.
Speaker 3: Coast, so uh but yeah, I want to thank you
Speaker 3: guys for coming on listening chatting with us tonight. Uh
Speaker 3: again Friday and Saturday night, there will be live podcast
Speaker 3: right here with our guests all so come tune in
Speaker 3: interact like you guys have been doing all here in
Speaker 3: the live chat. Would be great. We appreciate the interaction
Speaker 3: on the live chat.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: If you guys have questions for the guests, we try
Speaker 4: to bring them up and share them on the screen.
Speaker 4: And depending on how how in depth our guests.
Speaker 2: Are are in there your talk.
Speaker 4: You know that we may not always get to questions
Speaker 4: right on time, but we will try our best.
Speaker 3: So uh, thank you guys again and uh so next guys,
Speaker 3: we'll keep it squatch Yeah, everyone keep it squatchy.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, yep, thank everyon