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team here hasn't. I don't know what that means.
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part came up.
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Grew up on this Spidy and rewatched it many times
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was about to say, in the year twenty
twenty five, how do you feel about that being someone's
inroads into geek First.
Speaker 1: It's always tough, right, and that's where like, I like
where we are and we have everything, and we've re
recorded some stuff. Awestly, there's no shot in our life
were re recording that. But that's why I hope they
bring it back.
Speaker 2: So it was that twenty seventeen sixteen.
Speaker 1: I can click eighteen comment.
Speaker 2: I mean it probably went a couple of years to
finish the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so that started early years ago. We did
that retro right, so too into two.
Speaker 2: It's insane. I think we is absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we timed it with We started when
Spider Man didn't civil warn and that was our lead
up to Homecoming. It went further past Homecoming, but I
think we kind of timed it with that, and I
remember because Kyle was on there with us. I think
we're just like feeling the Spider Man love, like, oh,
let's let's do this. I'm like, all there's a show
and stuff. So uh yeah, those were good times. I've
been diving back into the machine a little bit because
I did this tonight with two things, You and minds
Daredevil season three of you and are Jessica Jones season
three because I listened to a cheap plug Taylor and
Kirkland's retro and then's, oh I wonder you know, they're like,
I wonder what they thought back then? Yet done, like
what did we think back then? And completely different. I'm
not sure how much knowledge you have a season three Daredevil,
but if you listen to the retro, they got some hot
takes man like Kirklin get a thing like a six, like,
oh it was yeah, they had some they had some problem.
Speaker 2: You and I were very positive right the who way thread.
Speaker 1: We said both that was the best season of Daredevil.
So yeah, I think Born Again it's gonna be very
interesting because all this stuff. They're just like, oh yeah,
like they don't they talk about a bit on the predictions.
They're like, they don't like Daredevil being moody or Fist
being so powerful. It's like, well, that's kind of it's
kind of Daredevil one on one like that. You know,
Matt needs to be moody and Fist needs to be powerful.
Speaker 2: I'll bring the Billy clubs in for those reviews. I
gotta be ready to fend them off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, there's a cheap plug next week. We'll
be reviewing Daredevil every week, so look up for that.
We have Daredevil retro, so kirkl and Tearror reviewed every
season and then we did the prediction. So the fetuses
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I'm keeping that plasma video here, but you can I
do some quick hits on some news about some Marvel
stuff and quickly talk about a Kathleen Kennedy thing. If
done with something ad great, If not, then just because
she made a statement.
Speaker 2: I mean that has continued to roll in in the
coming day since our newscast, even just two days ago,
there's still more stuff coming out, like every hour.
Speaker 1: Every day there's something someone's saying this, and we're talking
about some Disney plus and then some trailer and somehow,
for some reason, some Shrek five controversy, which I want
to pick your brain up.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't know anything about the controversy of it.
I watched the teaser, but that's as far as I know.
Speaker 1: Good were you in the discord today at all the
GV discord?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even see any Shrek stuff.
Speaker 1: Can look at it, yeah, and everything like that. So
let's see. So we'll start with this quickly because it's
just a quick he Dean Rodgers say, is Kennedy not retiring?
We have to put up with some more of a
Star Wars fans can't get a break. Here's the thing,
so I'm gonna bring this up very quickly. Diyn't refer
to it. We did a like the first topic. I
think it was like forty five minutes where we gone
to everything right because we talked about Kennedy, Star Wars,
the history, who could replace her? This is one thing
that I want to get because even the headline of
the article, so she did an interview. This is not
like a scoop, not like an OH source of say,
Kenny sat down with Deadline and here's the headline. She
is not soon retiring and the films that and the
films that will keep her in Star Wars orbit for
years to come. So that's the headline again, she is
not soon retiring and the this is.
Speaker 2: Very weirdly worded, like it doesn't feel ai but it
feels like a hack job of an article title.
Speaker 1: Look at that hatcho. Now, listen, I just made up
a word. And we know I stumble on stuff all
the time, right, but that's not me misreading that, right,
the films that will keep her in Star Wars orbit
for years to come.
Speaker 2: That yeah, they just wanted the orbit pun. They just
wanted the space pun. But at the cost of like
a legible headline. So this is even saying she is
soon retiring?
Speaker 1: Is I think it says not? I think my the
GV logo is cutting it off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's not soon retiring, which is also a strange sentence.
Speaker 1: But it's so this is the odd thing, right, So
I saw all this credit to uh, it's whenever we
are now, right, but with the ga Chadam on Twitter,
Chris Boggo shared it, and I saw the this headline
right away, right if she's not retiring when oh boy, okay,
there's some scoop of stuff that didn't go well. She's
putting a cabash on it. And I'm not gonna spend
a long time. I'm gonna go down to the very
last question of this article, or the second last question here,
two final questions. Deadline says, will you step out as
Lucasfilm Boss this year? Kennedy? We really don't know the stage.
There's so much going on, Mike, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I read that. I love the comma, Mike. I loved
her adding the interviewer's name just as like an air
of like she's so pissed off and exhausted of this
and I love that fort.
Speaker 1: And to play in that. This is why this whole
thing is deadline. Then asks when it happens, who will
make the decision. It's my decision. This is one hundred
percent my decision, and that's what I want to get
on that. I think this article was either if it
was whether it was just a scooper that heard something
and just wanted to go asked, or it was somebody
that's like, I don't like Kennedy. I'm gonna tell somebody,
because like the puck we took went over, this puck
is like a business one they put out and then
like all the other Steer scoopers jumped on and said, oh,
I've heard the same thing. So we don't know, but
this definitely feels like this was not she's leaving. It
still sounds like she's leaving. Just sounds like the message
that they wanted to put out was her announcing or anything, right,
because even the cliff notes of this article tried to
find somewhere she talks about like the Mandalorian movie and
the Sean Leavy movie and stuff, how she's like, oh,
I got many projects coming up. These are products she's
working on right now that of course, yeah, we'll released,
but she could still be retired. You're still a producer
credit on them, right, Like George Lucas still gets credit
on Star Wars movies, but he's been long gone. So
that yeah, it was like kind of a weird gas
lighting article. I think that just was put out there
to like, Okay, hey, we didn't we wanted to be
the one to break this. For some reason, somebody put
out there. We were ready to share it, so let's
put the caboche on it. But everything is just like
even then, I want to find the quote is here
you go Deadline says, how far down the road do
you expect before change gips made? Then you will go
off and produce these two big stars things. Kennedy says,
we'll probably make an announcement in months or year out.
I have every intention of sticking around to help that
person be successful. So again it's.
Speaker 2: So it's it's ben as like an advisor advisor role or.
Speaker 1: Something kind of like what I did a few months
with Chappick. Obviously we talk about that on the newscast.
That didn't work out, and we could see a world
where even Kennedy comes back. But it's so weird to
be just like, here's the very first paragraph. Uh, let's
see the truth. This is what she They just asked,
are you retiring? What's the truth? It says. The truth
is I just want to say loud and clear, I'm
not retiring. I will never retire for making movies, which
makes sense. She could do other stuff, but I will
die making movies. This is the first thing that's important
to say. I'm not retiring. What's happened at Lucasfilm is
I've been talking for quite some time with Bob and
Alan about the eventual succession might look like. We have
an amazing, amazing bench of people, and we have every
intention of making then announcement in the months or year
down the road. So I just that's why, because I
just want to talk about I've seen this everwhere of
like so many articles headlines, news like Kathleen Kennedy's art
Times should go anywhere. That's where you have to, like
Taylor asked me today, right, I'm not sure if he's
on the disc where I share that Christian Richards and
Dexter and I'm like, oh, another serial Kay. He's like, well,
how you know that. I'm like well did you click
the article? He's like, oh, well, you know me. So
that's not just tiny folks like go out and read
the thing for her to say, Hey, I'm not retiring,
but what is it? Or is it again? We have
we have a succession plan. We have an amazing bunch
of people every intention making an announcement in months or
a year down the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That means nothing, right when it comes down to it.
Speaker 1: But like to me, it was like, Okay, the report
that came out two nights goes she's retiring at the
end of twenty twenty five, and what she's saying, well,
we have a succession plan that might come out in
the months or a year from now, which even then,
if she were, let's say, retire in February two thousand
and six, I would give that Scooper credit and say like, yeah,
that's pretty close to the end of twenty twenty five, right,
like right, that's around then. So the only other things
that was gonna bring up, which was funny, is she
talked about these projects. She confirmed, Yeah, Mando and Grog's
going going good. Oh, and that's what I was gonna
say too. That last thing about we have an amazing
bunch of people here. Obviously who knows that she gets
her way. But to me, when you read through like
the tea leaves and like between the letters, I think
that's literally saying like when we're talking about a was
it five or someone else? I think it sounds like
they have every intention of someone on the team, right
or multiple people Like she's making it sound like they're
working on a succession plan with people that are around them.
Obviously could not happen, but I feel like that is
her intention. And even that original article said that she
wants to be like she would prefer being Folony or
someone she's worked with right, same way George picked her.
So they talked about the Mandaloria and Grogo movie. Whatever
they did confirm, I'll try Oh where was that? There's
some other good quote too about oh there's something about plans.
Let me do a control f here, Oh, here we
go plans. There's a good quote. Okay, let's just do
the word plan. You know, there's a lot of plans.
I think here go so deadline ass the flurry of
press coverage, it sounds like chaos. What's the reality, Kendy chaos?
Question mark? There has never been any chaos because we
know exactly what the plan is. That just made me
fucking laugh. And we've been covering Star Wars the whole time.
We know exactly what the plan is. There's been made
like there's I'm sure there's been concepts of a plan,
but not the actual plan. But the only other things here.
She confirmed that it looks like it is going at
the Manual Grogo movie next to film and Shawn Leavy's movie.
So she did confirm that Ryan Gossling is in that,
and that's supposed to take place like five to six
years after Fork Awaken Force Awakens. Then she said they
are working on three to four things currently, and which
was odd to me, is even down here, I'll find it?
Where is? Yeah? Any others I've forgotten? The deadline person
asked after they talked about the ones I talked about.
She says, well, I keep waiting for Taika. He is
working on he's working with another writer now. He's so busy. Yeah,
I love him, blah blah blah. So what was surprised
me was we heard the Taika movie, and then in
this whole article she never once mentions that Ray movie,
which I thought would be very curious because like last
year they announced it, they said we got a writer.
So she says like, hey, yeah, we got Manlin Grogu
coming out, we got the Sean Leavy movie, we got
another one, we got Taika's Ray's movie. At one point,
I'm supposed to start filming this year, and it feels
very odd that she not in this this Deadline article.
Guy even at Mike even asks, hey, any other any
other projects we haven't talked about. No, I mentioned the
ray one. So I'm just gonna say people, we're gonna
talk about Dazy Ridley. But later on maybe there's a
reason we're talking about her because her schedule is gonna
be cleared up again. So just buck up as always.
But yeah, yeah, I just want to share that because
there's some some stuff in there that's interesting.
Speaker 2: But that's a I mean, I didn't read the whole thing, obviously,
I just the bits you popped up there. But that
is a pretty weird article, even though she's talking, is
kind of strange, and I don't read other articles with her,
so maybe that's part for the course, But that is uh,
saying that there's no chaos, we know what's going on,
seems like this article is chaotic. You can't even answer
these questions in a regular human being way, so we'll see.
Speaker 1: It was weird. It just felt like, hey, there's lots
of fire, let's take a bucket throw water on it.
But then the fire is still going because you it
really conferred like I don't know, maybe maybe she took
an abundance to maybe she thought out people thought she
was retiring in general, and I just took it as
from Luca's film or whatnot. But yeah, so look out
for that. Who knows me Next weekly Geek, there'll be
another article or another thing coming out. But to me,
like Scooper said, hey, she's tiring in the next year,
and she says, well the plant, that's not true, but
the planet is in months or a year to come.
I don't know if it walks like a duck quacks
like a duck. I think it's a.
Speaker 2: Duck, but just might be Howard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of ducks, I know how the Duck and
Spider Man, but I have a few Spider Man related things.
Yeah that I would like it, but I know I
wouldn't like that. I'd like how Duck to be in
The Guardians four, but I don't even know if there.
Do you think we've made Gardens four?
Speaker 2: Yeah, someday. I mean the third one did seven hundred million.
Speaker 1: Eight yeah, pretty close to I think it was close
or just at eight.
Speaker 2: Hundred million, And I think, you know, with all all
we've heard, I think they're just going back to the
well a little bit. They set up a lot with
the I forget it was post credit or the final
scene of the movie, but there's a lot charted up there,
and then you know, at some point they're gonna need
to get the cosmic stuff back into We've been back
on Earth for a while, but yeah, they're gonna they're
gonna need to do that. So at some point, But
is it gonna be with Gun?
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think that's gonna happen. And I
kind of hope they like that loser squad they introduced
us to at the end. I kind of hope they
like kill them off, you know, just because I don't
know that's something.
Speaker 2: We don't even know them yet. You don't know, do
you know they're Loser squad.
Speaker 1: I just saw the team and I'm like, you know,
just Seawan Gun.
Speaker 2: There's I mean, yeah, would Sewan gunn come back for it. No,
you don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think you'd. I think that
is a brother, Yeah, I don't know. I think they
It would be fun to see.
Speaker 2: Maybe some point you gotta fly the coop. You know,
you gotta work on a project without your brother.
Speaker 1: But your brother owns the other coop, So do you
want to fly too far?
Speaker 2: That's true, he doesn't own the coop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're talking about now it's inspiremn for related
slash rumors. So I'm gonna go I'm gonna throw three
things here at you, Dylan. So there's a Scooper, This
is see Tier. All these are sea tier ranging to
Sea Tier. But you know that's what we talked about.
So spire Man four tone rumor to be inspired by
the Batman point of inspiration for the Aspier Man, for
is indeed the Batman. While the Homecoming trilogy was more
lighthearted and optimistic, Destin and Marvel will lean into that anger.
Expect more grit and more focus on hand hand combat,
and no multiverse villains. The film will still lead into
secret wars, but the current priority at Marvel is making
a grounded and more mature direction for the Web after
the events of No Way Home and Born Again. I
will say this now. I said this on Marble Lines
when I came back, I haven't said on Geek. First,
I'm a person that I have no problem talking about
the news. I put this in here so you can
blame me. I'm very tired of the Spider Man plot
rumors and what's going on because I just like, I
feel like it, cause it's.
Speaker 2: Just like, you don't get tired of this stuff. I
thought this fuels you.
Speaker 1: I find if it's like we know the plot and
then it's like who's the who's the villains, who's the casting.
But when it's the plot, when it's like it's grounded,
well it's multiverse. Well it's kind of a mix. Well
it's going back to ground. It's like, like, what is
really going on? WI? Yeah, like and this sounds great?
Right Again, It's tough because I hear this and maybe
they're playing Werewolf, but both and Offel and Charlie Cox's like, yeah,
I know we're not in Spiderman form. To me, they
said like a more disappointed way. No, I'm like Garfield
being like, people keep but not believe me. This was
like no, we're not, like we don't know what if
we are, But like this sounds great and all. It's
just also the thing that like I just don't know. One,
like I actually don't know how true it is, but two,
I just don't know if they can do. Like when
I look at Destin Daniel Kranton and Sung Chi and
he go, Okay, that guy, maybe it's something in his wheelhouse,
but it's like he wants to be a film that's
like The Bad Man. I almost goel like, I feel
like that's not it doesn't like compute with me. I
feel like it's kind of like you'd want to do,
like what you do a song she and Sung She
has some dark stuff in there. I don't think Sung
She is just like all good times. Like some of
the stuff with the Dad is pretty like dramatic, and
there's some dark stuff there. So it's just I don't know.
It's just like and I wouldn't mind that that's could
be cool of you know, Tom Holmes stretching some muscles
and he's like we're seeing a very down and out Peter.
But again, does the world want that so well? Like
obviously grounded. I hope that you could get like a
Dareduvil Punisher, but even if not with that interest you have,
like let's say we don't even get those cameras, but
just like a Spider Man, that's very not even ground
in the sense of no multi versus the fact of
like he's gonna be he's gonna be depressed, like he's
gonna be sad, he's gonna be like our boy Matt Murdock,
he's gonna be going through. Does that interest you or
you're like, no, Like I have other characters I want
to see do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, as you mentioned, we've been going on
the freaking roundabout and this this Spider Man stuff back
and forth, and this is one of the ones that
I actually do really like. I've been down on some
of the pitches up on other ones, and I do
really like this.
Speaker 1: The Punisher Hawk one. When I was off I listen,
no one those oh my god, here, that's a while one,
I was like, I don't know what they're cooking there
when they're thinking of that idea if that's true.
Speaker 2: So it's an idea, yeah, yeah, but no, I think
this works. I mean, I even hearing that it's based
on Batman. I mean I love that movie, and so
that sounds good to me. But I do still feel
like it would be somewhere. It would be a meeting
in the middle between like a Marvel classic Marvel tone.
We have had darker Marvel stuff, but a Marvel tone
and the Batman, so it would be maybe not as
striking of a difference. But I do think it's good
for these characters across their different movies, especially if their
characters like Thor and now Spider Man, who are getting
a fourth movie, that they get some different flavor, that
we get some different people in there. Even though I
don't love the first two Thors, I think it's good
that those exist in their tone. And then I got
the Tika stuff, and some people were already kind of
tired of it after Ragnarok, but it's like, Okay, now
we know the next door thing is not gonna be
Taika or it seems like it, So we're gonna get
like a switch of tone there and something else. And
it's tricky to make these things consistent and make these
characters feel like real almost become I don't know, a
bit like I don't know, like a character in a
play or something like I guess they feel a little
bit less consistent when you do that sort of stuff,
switching around directors and writers and whatnot. But I think
this actually makes sense for the character of Spider Man
and the journey we went on right because of the
place we leave off after No Way Home, it would
make sense that's where the character should be. And that's
why I've been a little disappointed in hearing some of
the other places we can go, because we've given ourselves
a really good reason to throw him back to street
level stuff. He should be sad, really really sad. He
should be really messed up mentally, and so this is
like the perfect time to do it, and then you can,
after one movie, build back up and get more of
the bombastic stuff. In terms of the no multiverse angle,
you know, I'm greedy. I want more of the Spider
Man Trio. I want them come back. I want my Gold,
my Green Goblin, these characters come back too. But I
also think there's so many other Spider Man characters and
places we can go within this darker universe, and we'll
have time for that. Tom Holand's young, I'm sure he's
gonna play this character for sixty three years, so we'll
have time to get to all that stuff. So he's
like thirty, so that'd be like put him his nineties.
Is he twenty? I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Hold that guy, well, you could count the years he's
already put in the time though, too.
Speaker 2: Okay, sure that's like a decade almost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fifty three, he'd be playing until he's eighty.
Speaker 2: And you know what flips, Let's do it down. But
but yeah, this sounds good to me. But I can
definitely I understand why you're getting a little bit exhausted
of this Spider Man round about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just hope it we hear something soon
because the movie's supposedly out next year. I don't know
if I believe that anymore. We'll see.
Speaker 2: And like Tom Holland, I mean, no Way Home had
a pretty quick turnover time or production time, like they
kind of fast tracked it right and got it make
made it pretty quick.
Speaker 1: They did. But I think the differences go around is
Holland's already doing Avengers and he's doing Odyssey, so like
he's got a busy he's got a busy summer right now.
Speaker 2: So Avengers has been delayed and move so many times
when is that April's.
Speaker 1: Is filmed, Like, when's it come out?
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, when's it filming? On's it coming out?
Speaker 1: Filming April? So in a couple of months and then oh.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay coming out. Man, that's exciting. I guess I guess.
I still feel like that's years and years away, which
you know the movie will be still. But that's cool
that it's filming soon. Okay, that's exciting.
Speaker 1: I very much worry for the effects of that movie
with the just thirteen month turnaround to film in April
then to be done in May, like to have a release.
Speaker 2: That's yeah. I mean, maybe what we can hope is
that the first one, the first of the two Avengers movies,
is a more grounded, chill situation and just pulling. The
second one is the insane one that you know takes
longer and needs more time to cook.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, in that in your multiverse speech that you
mentioned Goblin, So this is not I want to bring
up to you that supposedly again see tier rumor that
they've had talks about William Dafoe to return. Now the
asterisk here unlike the next news coming up is they
didn't say for SPIERMN four. It was just a return,
so obviously that could be this, that could be Secret Wars.
I'm not sure if they want to use Norman, he
would be him going forward. I was gonna ask you,
do you also be love to Foe? But in no
way home you know, they bring him back, he's the
main villain of that. They kind of save him in
a way, right, like they take the goblin out of him.
Do you foresee, like do you want that character back
or would you be fine if they said, like, hey,
just like Jay Jonah Jameson, if we do Norman in
our universe, we just want Dafoe to play him again.
Like if they sit you down, I say, hey, we
no matter what Dafoe's coming back, do you have a
preference on how they would use him?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean good point because I did mention him.
I I did mention him in my in my speech there,
But I don't know if he actually is one of
the ones I would want most, just like for story
wise of course, like the fanboy and me would like, yes,
I'll take it because he's always great. He always brings
it no matter what movie he's doing, even if it's
some weird crappy movie. Will is like the star, He's
always a highlight. My thought when I when I read
that was maybe doctor Strange, right, the next one there, uh,
maybe darker. Maybe that could be like the next multiversal thing.
We've got the dark dimension stuff. He's probably gonna be
scooting around different dimensions. I don't I guess he didn't
really have a scene explicitly with Goblin like he was
in that final scene in No Way Home.
Speaker 1: Hit him with a pumpkin bomb. That was about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't even remember this pumpkin bomb. But at
least there's like there's fragments there, right, set up for
potentially some rivalry between them, even if it is just
like a smaller sequence of the movie, one one sort
of sequence. But other than that, like, I don't really
see any storyline that if the top my head makes
sense for him to pop in other than like of
course Spider Man, right, So I don't know, do you
have any pictures for that? Is there a project I'm
forgetting about that would be a good.
Speaker 1: Like obviously like the dumb Ones, just like Secret Wars, right,
because like, well yeah, who can we get? But like
what am iays gonna ask you in the situation, which
which is weird when Okay, so they get the gold
and juice at of him and he's a normal guy
and they send him back to his universe. Do we
think we're gonna get a little tripper here? You told
MacGuire's Spearman, right. Do you think those are two separate times? Now?
Where told McGuire is you know he's lived, Harry's died,
Norman died and he goes back or is it that
Norman turning good like changed a bunch of stuff in
his world?
Speaker 2: Because oh, I see my butterfly effect of it all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because my only pitch is what I want obviously
with Spiderman for off its grounded. Who knows. But if
we're doing multiverse again, I've always said, like I would
like to do the verse where he goes to their
worlds now, so we can meet Kirsten Dunnce and we
meet this stuff. So that's where I could see. Let's
say there's a movie where he goes to Toby Maguire's
world and to foees there but like as like not
a good guy, but he's not like crazy Storm and
Norman like the Goblin. Like I think that could be
cool if he's a scientist, he's helping out. But I
just I wonder I kind of felt like No Way
Home was a one shot deal as far as like
a multiverse Norman of like that was that's what you
did and you killed them off. You killed goble off.
I'll say, not normal, but you killed Goblin off. That's it,
Like you don't get to do it again. I guess
if you were to, if I were sitting down and
just say, hey, we don't really think an actor could
do this. We just want him to do it again.
That could be fun. But then I need to see,
like what is the pitch of that? Because I Holland
would know what happens to Norman, right, so you you
can't do the whole thing again, like oh he takes
Norman and or you know Peter In is like a
son figure and then all my guys Goblin like how
old is da phone now? Because I just don't know
if he would have the age, where would he have
a son like hair? Like he's sixty nine. Anybody could
I guess could have kids when they're sixty nine. He's
sixty nine. He looks great, But like I don't think
you could do the thing where like Peter's in college
and he meets Harry, He's like, oh, here's my dad,
Like yeah, here's my grandpa. But like, I just don't
other than them going to New Toby's universe and like
a actual real life normany.
Speaker 2: You would you actually want that though, Like.
Speaker 1: Yes, but the studios would. I think that'd be very
cool if they kept it secret. And let's say Tom
Holmes and Peter's world and like a movie.
Speaker 2: Would that be like a fun scene or is that
like action scenes.
Speaker 1: Just a scene just like just to be yeah, Piter
just being like, oh, I know how somebody that can help.
And then you walk in and you see Norman and
you think, oh, you're what's going on here? But they explain, no,
you know, since we hit him with that juice thing,
like he's still been good, he's just a scientist again,
and he helps him out. Like I literally think it's
just like a the way Howard Stark would an endgame
for a scene with Danny something like that. But I
don't think that's what they would want Marvel. I don't
think they would like want to foe just pick oh
we want to come back, just to be nice Norman, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and especially the surprise of him coming back has
already happened, and it's been like what would be you know,
kind of objectively a more exciting way, So to like
go to do something like that, I don't know. I
guess I'm not buying. I'm sure you could write a
great scripture on that, but I don't. I don't know
if off the top of my head I want that pitch.
I don't want him to go to their worlds.
Speaker 1: Yo, you don't want Holme and Old go to their worlds?
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 1: So, No, Okay, how do we how do we meet
MJ then and stuff like that, or like maybe a uh,
Gwen Stacy if she's alive again, Like I'm a stone,
you know, I don't think we're.
Speaker 2: She's already dead. So I think that ship.
Speaker 1: Is multiverse stuff, you know, they bring her back.
Speaker 2: I mean I think if you do a multiverse stuff,
you just have her play the character without any ties
to that movie, right, she just actually is in the
suit and everything, and you just kind of we just
kind of roll with it for fun.
Speaker 1: Is that what they And that's the thing to me, like,
are you interest said? If they go Okay, so he's
non in Tobe McGuire's world, and he's non Holmes world.
We're just gonna, let's say, in Secret Wars there's a
bunch of villains that pop out of pearls with to
fight and it's just like another William Dafoux green goblin.
It's just green Goblin again like that. To me, I
don't want because that that feels like we're getting.
Speaker 2: Into It feels like chuck that into Secret Wars. We
don't need that in another spidy movie.
Speaker 1: But I don't even I don't even want them Secret
Wars because I think we're getting bottom of the barrel
of like we're just like, oh, Dafoe's a name, just
put him in there, like that's just like, well, we
just had him as a goblin, you know, Like.
Speaker 2: It's just yeah.
Speaker 1: So it feels weird to see this news and be
like to see, oh, Defolk isn't talks for something, But
for me to actually get excited, it's like I'm not
actually And that's the weird thing. I don't know. I
don't think there's a rule, and I think there's times
where we could move on. I think if they do
normally m so you get get a new guy. You know,
I think, uh, you know, I've said, like we reviewed
you can check it out. We reviewed all the Friendly
Neighborhood SPIERMN episodes. Coleman Domingo, that's perfect, you tell me tomorrow. Yeah,
why Norman perfect done? Like, I think there's lots of
great actors, and I don't think Dafoe's at the stage
of his career he's gonna like care Like I think
he was just happy to come back for No Way
Home and like he got to be the main villain
of that, you know, like that he was the showcase.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I I think that's a very
mature take of you, Travis. Actually, I think a lot
of people would be like, mindless fanboy. Yeah, I'll take it.
But I think that's that's like you're going to step
beyond and looking if it would actually make sense or
add to that character or Spidey, And I just I
think you're right that I don't think it really would. Now,
I'm sure there's a writer, a really great writer who
could make it happen and it would be magical. But yeah,
I feel like we're set up to be in a new,
interesting place and I just want them to stick that
landing before we get too carried away with other stuff.
Speaker 1: And don't prop me up too much because, don't get
me wrong, I want ben Affleck Daredevil to pop out
in this scene randomly.
Speaker 2: Has a little more it's a little more justified. Yeah, Goblin,
it's like that's still you can go there Disney Plus
and watch that right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I'm just trying to think of anything
like or like, I don't know, is there a way
where or he can be like a good Goblin and
he's on the team this time, and that to me
doesn't I don't want good Goblin, you know, like that
doesn't sound fun to me like.
Speaker 2: That, although you know what, you know, what I'm vision
right now is just green Goblin in the suit, the
full suit, right next to Downy in the in the
doom suit. And I feel like that duo would be badass,
like the Green the Green duo there.
Speaker 1: That could be kind of fun if we have see
now there's maybe something there where you have Steve potentially
being hydrocap right, and you have Doomsday like or Downy
being Doomsday. If you had a couple other Marvel villains
now this time they're on the hero side. So you
have like a green Goblin that is good. He's like
he's like the Hulk, like he's like managed his powers,
but then he's going up against like a down he
was evil, Like there's a fun Or if.
Speaker 2: The idea for Doom is like, Okay, I gotta I
gotta get my crew of my roster. Here are like
the people who can take down my opponents. And he
knows that Goblin knows how to take down Spidey, you know,
so and so knows how to take down Doctor Strange
like that kind of thing. Yeah, But then again it
was like, since we don't even know who our Avengers
team are, it's like hard to talk too much about
what that pictu would look like. Oh I know, but
and that also maybe blows the proportion of what I
think that Doom movie is gonna be, which is where
I think that's the big spot where that stuff would happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Or what if it was a reverse What if
Doom was like for some reason, because sometimes Doom has
a hero complex. What if he's going around killing some
of the multi verses, like biggest villains out there, like
because he's worried they might be a threat to him,
like he kills like Fanos in a universe and he
kills Green Goblin in a universe. I don't think we're
gonna get that because that's something touch of montage, but
like you know, so, because I do think we're gonna
get because I with this picture of Green Goblin. I
I'm not gonna say one hundred percent. I'm fifty one
percent sure that Thanos will be in one of these
Vengers movies and he's gonna be a good guy this time.
Though I think they're gonna make the story fifty one
fifty one, I don't. I'm a fifty to fifty, so
I'm I'm on the yes for fifty one because I
just feel like what's more intriguing than Thanos having like
someone being or some Thanos and he has to go
up against him because uh Me and Tarior talk about
this a couple of weeks ago, but I kind of
want like the Dead Man Tales Barbosa thing right, where
Barbosa main mel in the first one, but because what's
his name Dave Jones was so bad, they're forced to
work with Barbosa, right, so imagine that they find it again.
I've always said, Thanos isn't dead. He just got snapped away.
You can bring him back. All those snap people didn't die,
they were just like floating around somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but now then they need to get another gauntlet
and read.
Speaker 1: Go to TVA. There's tons of those, right, Look at.
Speaker 2: All those sounds, those inert stones. Yeah, that's an interesting
to me. That feels too soon. I also like, I
don't want to taint that era, you know that that
msue Ara is just it's not perfect, of course, but
it's I don't I just don't want to ruin any
of it. I want to keep it in its little cage,
locked up on the shelf. You know, Taylor got all
his Black Series figures like keep them in the box,
you know, I think that's kind of my thought there.
Speaker 1: Do they already not do that with Skull Rody though.
Speaker 2: You know, like already on Skull Rody, know they have,
That's the thing. But the more you do it, the
more I go back to these movies and I'm frustrated
about this stuff. And I haven't done a rewatch since
the Skull Rody reveal, but I'm sure that'll piss me
off in certain scenes and I'm like, yeah, as doesn't
hit the same anymore or not that don Cheetah was,
you know, my tier one character anyway, but he's in
it a lot.
Speaker 1: He's on the Tier one team, That's what I'd say.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he has the amount of appearances of a
Tier one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I think there's something like
you do Doomsday something, do something similar to Infinny where
where Doomsday wins, kills or takes a lot of our heroes,
and when you have like a very little team, Oh,
we need we need something, and someone's like, oh, I
know an idea and then just like Thanos walking out
like you know that, or you get to see Thanos
and like willing to foe working together. I don't know
what that could be there now. I'm just pitching the
thunderbolts though, which would be like a very ex sense
of thunderbolts.
Speaker 2: But it's funny when when you're talking about this now
and with that perspective, Green Boblin feels so inconsequential. It's like, yes,
has he ever really been that powerful? Like not really?
When you compared him to some of these bigger villains
that we've had, It's like, what would he be doing
on the roster for either Doom hiring him to help
take out the heroes or even the heroes wanting to
recruit him to take out the bad guy. It's like,
it's just Goblin. He's kind of kind of a low
tier in terms of actual power level, although he has
had some consequential pills. I guess yeah, maybe they just
against like the really powerful people. He goes for the
heart picks instead of the power picks.
Speaker 1: But like I said, no at home, he did manage
to like knock out Doctor Strange with a pumpkin ball
one time because he like hides in.
Speaker 2: Okay, that is very impressive because Doctor Strange is one
of the higher power level guys.
Speaker 1: Because Goblin has like I don't know if so.
Speaker 2: In video games, unpredictable, which is for anyone that's gonna
be a challenge.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. Video games, you know,
lots of characters have like the luck stat. He is
the tricky stat like Villain's got the trickster or it's
not low key level, you know, tricks to God. But
like Goblin is like at least like i'd say a
minimum a that ten on that scale. And the trick.
Speaker 2: We also because he has the two minds to him,
I feel like his stats like change every hour, right,
so it's like he might have eight intelligence four dextera,
but in the next hour that could like switch back
and forth. And that's that's hard to contend with when
so much of these movies are like, Okay, let's build
the plan to like take out this villain. You know,
we're gonna bait Venom over to these bars and then
smack the bars and it'll be really loud, like I
don't know. If they're constantly changing, that's it's hard to
tack them down.
Speaker 1: Problem is Norman Osborne his luck stats zero zero zero
and the luck stats just normal himself because he became
golf but right, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's Sean have some luck. You never know
exactly what it does, but you want it still. That's
one of those stats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of I got nothing to go here. We
spoke about it earlier. Daisy Ridley, there's a rumor going
around that she's a spider Man for now, I don't know.
Me and Tara talked about this a couple weeks ago.
We went down a list of potentials. This kind of
fits with I don't know if this would be the character,
but there was rumors that they're looking at a new
love interest. I think there's a double thing of one
they want to go in a new direction. But I
think it's also that Zenda is just like soup. Like
the new rumor is with Spiderman that she's gonna be
in there for like a cup of coffee, because she's
doing Honestly, she's doing she's doing something. She's doing check five,
she's doing something else. She's like, oh, you're four three
right now, Like she's at some point she no legitimately,
they're filming Dune three, I think at the end of
the year, so like she's like booked up. So I
think that's the idea. So I want to ask you again,
go back to the Plasma Boys spending retrospective. Is there
any even if she's not the female, a love interest
between that the video games? Is there any character that
Daisy Reley screams out to you of playing this Night
that I've never watched the movie? I think, Briggs, did
did you ever watch that Chaos Walking movie? Remember back
in the day of the early days of geek First
where it was like announced for twenty sixteen. I got
delayed like three years in Row. I've never watched that one.
It's like her, Tom holland Mad's Michelson. It's something like.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask. I thought there was a movie
that her and Tom Holland already in together, but I
couldn't remember what it was. But there you go, Chaos, Chaos.
Speaker 1: And I've never seen it, and I think saw and
she was like, nah, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't waste
your time on this. But I still want to because
it's like a movie with Holland, Ridley and Mad's Michelson,
Like there has to be something in there enjoyable. But yeah,
is there any spidy character that you'd like? You know?
And honestly, I do believe this rumor has some merit
because if Ray at at one point Ray wasn't filming
until next year, if Kathleen Kenny's not even talking about it,
I don't even know where that is on the board,
So go do something. But is there anyone that jumps
out to you?
Speaker 2: I got a pitch. My pitch is and I google this.
This has been a relationship in the comics. I mean
almost all I feel like characters have shocked up at
some point, So I don't know how much that proves.
But here's my pitch, Kitty Pride X Men character.
Speaker 1: Kitty Pride, I do want that the problem and I
want to say the problem is because I don't want
to be that guy. But how old is she.
Speaker 2: Kitty Pride?
Speaker 1: Or she's thirty two? The good thing is Daisy Ridley,
he looks young. I think it just all depends on
how young these X Men people are, because if they're
going to Sadie Sync in that age, they're all like twenties.
So that's where I'd say it doesn't work. But as
the actual casting, I like the casting. She would make
a good uh. And is she? Is she a part
of the X Men? Do they mention said X Men?
Speaker 2: Or she's just yeah? I guess we've we've really started
laying it down with Miss Marvel and the mutant DNA.
We have Adamantium now from Braving New World, so we
have Wolverine, you know, kind of sort of in this
somewhere in this six months well not really six months,
who the hell he's right now?
Speaker 1: But they're gonna they're all gonna meet up and stuff.
Speaker 2: They're tickling. They're tickling the edges there. Why I worded
it that way, But I think that could be another
good step because you know so many ways they could
go with X Men, but one thing it always feels
overwhelming is man. There's so many characters that you do.
How do you do it? Do you trickle it out
through other projects? Do you just blast it all in
the first X Men movie? And I feel like, because
the MC was set up as it is, and they
know everyone's gonna see spider Man, maybe that is a
good way to break it down, get the hype building
for an X Men thing. Uh so yeah, and so
maybe it gets mentioned. I don't think it's a part
of the plot. I don't think like he goes the
X Mansion to recr I think she just maybe she
doesn't even say x Men. Maybe she just mentions like
Iceman or something, you know, some other random character back
at the mansion. Well maybe one of them comes to
help in a fight. I don't know, but like you know,
it's not an X Men movie, like it is more
about them. But I I think that could be a
good pitch. I think they could have interesting power usage
with each other, so that could be kind of fun.
Uh yeah, that's my pitch. I think it could be interesting.
I think the ages as you're mentioning maybe slightly off,
but I think it passes still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be completely unoriginal. And what I would
do is steal two things from two O their Spider
Man movies, where for Homecoming, I would not reveal her name.
I would say she's like, her name's like Caitlin, but
then like she shortens it to Kitty Pride, so like
a first like we don't okay, like the way MJ was,
what was she was? What was what was Zendy in
the first Wasn't it just Michelle in the first movie? Right?
They just called him? And then she's like my friends
called me MJ. So I wouldn't do that for the
end of the movie, but I'd say for till you
do a trailer or even in the movie, like just say, okay,
it's Caitlyn. It's some I don't know what's short for kitty,
but like whatever Kitty might do, you know. And then
I would also steal into the Spider verse where Spider
like when Stacy's in the school doing stuff and she
has a mission, but then halfway through the movie. She
busts out her powers. That's what I do is Tom
Hollan needs this girl one way another college, new job.
Speaker 2: It probably makes sense, although I don't know if he's
going to college, but maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daily Bugle then, right, they could both be.
Speaker 2: Like The Bugle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, work, she gets it.
Speaker 2: She gets really good camera shots. She can go visible
and sneak in or can she go in visible? She can?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Is that a thing she has? Either way? She through walls. Yeah,
that's a good way. You know, we always said we
wanted to fly in the wall on these like CEO
investor meetings. She can. She can do that. She can
get in there real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that's what I would do with that.
And then other than that, I don't know, Like I
don't think. I guess I kind of forget. The Daily
Bugle is kind of a super like Alex Jones right
wing thing in the MCU, right, like Jk's not like
it's not the picture guys, I don't know what works there. Yeah,
you can't do Betty Brandt.
Speaker 2: I don't we already have Betty, right, isn't one of.
Speaker 1: The we do have Betty Brandt?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like she's the one on like the doing
the Newscast's the.
Speaker 1: Blonde from Nice Guys and the Mean Girls remake.
Speaker 2: She's the Nice Guys and the Mean Girls?
Speaker 1: Is it me? Yeah? It is Mean Girls, Yeah she is.
I don't know what's next for her, but okay, I
guess you're right. So Betty's gone. But you know what,
I guess right there? We made with ned stupid story
of her, remember her Ned? They did that stupid trip
and then they broke up.
Speaker 2: I did forget about that, but yeah, just came back.
I just couldn't think of another classic Spider Man character
that I know of that she really fits with. So
that's where I was struggling and going outside of the classics.
Speaker 1: So my pitch for her is because yeah, and I
don't see her as I don't see her as Gwen
like not even because the hair, I just like, it's
not the right type of vibe, even Gwen State like
Spider Gwen's Like, No, I don't think it's the type
of right vibe. Same thing as Black Cat, Like, I
don't think that's the right vibe for me. The one
I was jumping to was maybe Silver Sable because she
has a movie coming out this month or something called
like The Cleaner or something like that where she's like
a hit woman. So I wonder if it's like a
well and if I've heard she's good and I don't
know how good, but like maybe that's something where it's
like just a badass, just like Assassin or like runner
of something.
Speaker 2: She doesn't powers right, like you know, I don't think stamina.
Speaker 1: I think she's just like a Nick Fury, like like
Widow where it's just like she's good at a bunch
of stuff. But I could see her being that hard
nosed type of person. But other than that, I don't know. Like, actually,
you know what I would love them to do, but
they wouldn't do it. I would love them to do,
uh live off how Spider Verse had that the female
doc oc I think that would be cool because that's
the way where it's like the same thing like Oka.
Speaker 2: Does she have the gusto for that role? You think?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Actually I haven't seen her in non Star Wars stuff
other than like The Orient Express I think, or whatever.
Speaker 1: Again, I haven't seen Apparently she's in a movie last
year that there was an indie drum really good. I
think it's like, uh, I wish I was dying or
I like the sound of dying or something.
Speaker 2: Dying sounds like an acting actor.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's very much an independent you know. And then
she played someone where she was a swimmer and it
was like a very dramatic movie. But that's why i'd
like to test like the Gusto of like, because that role,
you gotta be a little charming, which I think Daisy
Ridley could be. You gotta be badass. You guys seem smart,
which I think you could be. But then it's like
for like the cheesy, over the top stuff. I don't know,
but I would just love them to be like, Okay,
we don't maybe want to do a male DOCCCK, we
just do that how we do well, let's do live
And I feel like the look, I don't think she'll
have the Spider verse like crazy hair by, like maybe
she's a Felm scientist and you know Peter that way
and you don't even got to do a romantic thing.
But yeah, I don't know. I feel like we've many
years talked about being in the MCU, and I would
like it to happen because I.
Speaker 2: Don't think you're not given that, you know, you don't
want Norman back because we just had him in No
Way Home, Like you don't feel that way even if
we did the I guess the gender gender swamp of
auto even though we just got him in No Way
Home as well, not.
Speaker 1: Really, because I guess that's why I don't think they
would do it. I think you're right they like maybe
they do it on spaces.
Speaker 2: Like Spider Verse also did it recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if it's too much. I think
five or six where it's like they're they're way down
the line, but for here they probably wouldn't. But I
just think because he was less of a main character
than uh Norman was it Like I think, to me,
it's like Peter the other Spider Man's and Dan like
no One yeah, and then the here you know, are
kind of around.
Speaker 2: So I guess I feel like, you know, NOA Home
was an exception because they were able to get everyone
and so well, not everyone, but like they got the
big players from all those other Spider Man movies. It
makes sense. But if you go back to Homecoming and
far from home to hold his home, and it's hard
home but like you know, Vulture and mysterial, like using
characters that had not been seen before in live action.
I think we're gonna go that road again for this.
I think they would want to go down that route
and explore some more characters that we haven't seen before,
unless it's you know, a can't like someone coming back
a legacy role, but kind of talked about that angle.
Speaker 1: I was just doing a quick search. I don't know
any of these, so I did a quick search of
Spidermanville's not in live action yet, mister negative chameleon, I
guess you could do like a Jenner swap one hobgob
you know that's what I love, do a Jenner swapped
Goblin and make it a hob Gobe. That could be fun. Now.
Speaker 2: I would actually be super down for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like there's people like, well, well there's been
like us that love Hobgoblin. But I'm never gonna be like,
oh my god, they made her all Like I feel
like there's some people, but like hobgom is not like a.
Speaker 2: Plus you could stream because you know how like the
Hobbam is like a big reveal in animated series. You
could do something like that, like maybe she has like
a voice modulator thing, and we think it's a man
and then she and then he rips off the mask
and then it's Daisy under.
Speaker 1: And especially too because sometimes Hobgoblin is Ned Leads. Some
of the comic people might be thinking, Oh, it's it's
Ned under that mask, like you could do some fun stuff.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if they. I feel like they
want Daisy Relea's face present a lot like in the
marketing and stuff too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you could make her do a different be
a different character though, have her.
Speaker 2: Like sign so she has like the Clark Kent version
and then she has this yeah, yeah, okay?
Speaker 1: Who is Swarm's Fritz von Meyer.
Speaker 2: Two three and Marvel Snap are the good Card and
Marble Snap.
Speaker 1: Bodies composed of bees. And I don't think Daisy's playing that.
I don't want her to do that.
Speaker 2: That's like a Nick Cage role for sure.
Speaker 1: Who is the black Tarantula? Is there? Like dumb question?
Not me and the kids right now we're getting back
into on Disney. Plus. We love watching the I try
it at least once we we watch some sort of documentary,
but like bugs, animals and whatnot, like you know something
to get them bring and sometimes like just when we're
hiking we talk about animals and like, I don't know,
we should like figure this out. Are all tranch Like
I guess, like this is the black translat So I
guess not all tarantulas are black. Then hey, I guess
there's different like I thought they were, but maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Isn't this the name of a hero though not like
an actual it's a villain.
Speaker 1: But that's what I mean, Like, how come he's not
just Tarantula, he's black Tranchela.
Speaker 2: I guess it's a little bit of a differentiator.
Speaker 1: He's been around since ninety seven.
Speaker 2: So like, why is it the silver Sable? Why isn't
it just Sable?
Speaker 1: That's that's true. Ability is skill, martial artists, superhuman strength,
genius level intelligence, healing factor, energy being, projection through eyes.
So he's just like Cyclops and Wolverine put together. So Jackal,
we haven't gone. We haven't gone Tombstone or Hammerhead and
live action Tombstone. Yeah, not live action right, not.
Speaker 2: Even like a guy whose name is like like his
human name is like the same name as Lannie.
Speaker 1: No, we've got no Lannie yet, So that's just my Yeah, silver,
Sayles ut less black Cat. There's not many spot and
make her the are all generous plot that could be
a fun one too that I think visually, I guess
Spider versus doing that right now, So they wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: Doing that, Yeah, I don't think we want to double
down on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so who knows. I don't know. And you know what,
there's always a chance she could just be playing someone
that's in the actual like MCU proper, and we're not
even thinking, oh you did actually a little bit with
Kitty Pride. I wasn't even thinking about that where it's like,
what if she's just like character blank that we're gonna
introduce and she's ours, it'd be like a weird pick.
But like each and each Spider Man movie has a
marvel character. And right now, I really like if it's
not Daredevil, and if it's like I really don't know
who they're gonna get to be this.
Speaker 2: They I feel like they're they're trying to milk Daredevil
right now. I think I think he'll be in there.
Last time he's Matt Murdoch, this time Daredevil. I think
they'll do it, I hope, and maybe punish her if
he's getting a special too, and he's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and they can fight the Hulk, you know.
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: True?
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: I Well, let's take an ad break, and speaking of Punisher,
we're gonna talk about him a little bit and some
other Disney Plus stuffs. So'll be right back and we
are back, So let me pull up the actual quote.
But that Brad Winderbam, I'm not sure we're talking about
a couple of times, but I'll mention him a lot
more as we go along, because just because I think
we all kind of think like sounds weird. It sounds
weird to just like a couple of years ago, be like, oh,
the MC's on Disney Plus an endgame, to like now
we're like, oh, we think Figgy in the next few
year is probably done. But either way, so Brad Winderbaum
is like the TV Figgy, he's right now in charge
of that. So he's probably somebody that like, hey, if
Figgy were to go, you're looking at like that's a
potential good replacement, right, But I'm trying to think, Okay,
here we go, so I wander brahap.
Speaker 2: So he's I don't feel like I don't recognize his
name is he a producer around all these things? He
would be all the.
Speaker 1: Most of the TV stuff. I think he's worked on
some of the movie stuff, but I'm trying to find.
Speaker 2: I guess to the movies, I pay more attention because
I'm waiting for the post credit Where is the TV? Yes,
show my, I gotta get to this cast and then
it turns off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is about Disney plus doing kind of
overhaul and yeah, because Dared Devil's coming out right now,
he's doing the rounds and stuff. So he's the one
that announced the Punisher special and just in quick two
little notes, he did confirm that Your Friendly neighborhood Sperimen
season two and X Men ninety seven season two are
going to be out next year. So that's kind of
great to have those plan. Office ninety seven was a
little longer as they've gone through a lot of changes,
and then they say their plan is to try and
have Spider Man out yearly. So that's that's kind of
their goal to get that happening. So that's kind of
good and that kind of goes into their plan here
because so they asked about Moonnight season two because also
we talked about that as well stream and everything like that.
So someone asked them, then here's the full quoty. So
so I think Marvel Television has happened in ways. I
think Moonnight happened in waves of shows that we're going
to establish characters that would tie in to the future
and moving forward, our priorities have shifted. We're making shows
as shows that can exist as annual releases more like tell.
Speaker 2: Always gonna make shows as shows.
Speaker 1: Well, that's how I want to talk about. I would
love to see Moonnight season two, but there are plans
for Moonnight down the road. They also know that it
was big news, but they shot He said that we
told it was a long time ago, that a Koy
show that they never had on the slate, but it
was announced in like a press release or something that's
off the table. But same things like you'll see her soon.
But that's what I just thought. It was interesting of
we've talked about like Disney Plus and that started with
those you know, we had big things like Loki wanted
his soldier, like these characters in the movies that were
side characters always wanted more. But then Disney Plus was
the way to do it, and we got them. But
then we slowly after a year to realize like, hey,
there's there are very small episodes at time, and there's
like a weird pacing to them, and there's a lot
of setup for like you gotta watch Wanta Vision two.
Really know what's going on, Doctor Strange, right, Falca Winter Soldier,
they have to do a five minute catch up in
Captain America. So now I feel like it's one of
these things where and who knows what they're mandate when
Disney Plus came out, But it really does sound like
with the head of TV saying this, it just sounds
like the first maybe three years of Disney Plus was
just like, Hey, these are movies that we'd like to make,
but we wouldn't want to, like they don't have fate,
like they probably wouldn't be like let's put the Wanta
Vision movie out because maybe they think they would bomb,
so let's do it on TV. Where now it's like
you got Daredevil, got Daredevil's season two come out and
like Spider Man, they're saying, hey, our plans do that yearly,
So what do you think about now? It sounds like
we're gonna get away from those like the low Kis,
the Wanta Visions and all those shows that were like
connected to the movies. Now it feels like we're it's
finally Because I was listening to our Jessica Jones season
three review day just to hear what we thought. We're
kind of going full back to like.
Speaker 2: I always forget the third season is the.
Speaker 1: Final one, and know what's so funny when we were
reviewing that, I forgot that they had announced it was
canceled before we even watched it. So that's something that
I didn't even remember. Yeah, so we went in that
season knowing it was canceled. But my point is, it's
like it feels like we're just going back there now
of we're gonna have shows on TV that they could
cross over, but not the same way of like, hey,
we're using Wanda and she's setting up Doctor Strange too.
This feels like, hey, we're doing Daredevil, and Daredevil's going
to be Daredevil for the most part. It's not like
Daredevil then to set up He's inspirement. It might happen,
but what do you think about this? That? And even
Moonnight now it sounds like the Moon Night Show was
just to introduce them for the movies and even Winterbom says, like,
I like a season two, but they have plans for him.
So it's just like which we probably think is Midnight
Suns or something. But that's a fascinating thing to me
to think of. The early Disney Plus was just like
kind of really movies chopped up and put up on
there in a.
Speaker 2: Sense, you know, very true, very true. Yeah, I mean
I I feel like, looking at all those quotes, it's like, okay,
in other words, they're just doubling down on the things
that are successful. You know, Daredevil makes a lot of sense.
I mean, Daredevil maybe just happened almost by accident because
they took one season and cut it into two, and
that gives them a really good runway if they want
to do this yearly thing, because they already are set
up for next year and so they can presumably film
the next season next year and then like keep that
trajectory going if they'll want.
Speaker 1: That today the case they start the filming next season tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Dylan, Okay, well there you go.
Speaker 1: So if you are listening to this, yeah, it's Friday.
It's the twenty eighth that they're filming Daredevil season two.
So that's like a it's a go go so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, full power. So I mean that like that makes sense,
and that show has several seasons. Yes it's on Netflix,
it's a bit different time and all that, but it's like, okay,
we have several seasons here to look back like it's
probably me successful. They feel like they've probably done a
good job of setting up Daredevil on like the interest,
reintroducing that through like several projects, and so you know,
they're putting a lot of eggs in the Daredevil basket.
But I do think it will pay off for them here.
And then like I don't know, Spider Man is probably
doing great because it's the Spider Man animated show, so like,
you know, we like it as a normal fans too.
But then also yeah, and also kids are probably eating
that up. And you know, X Men maybe is one
of those things too that they feel like is a
good fit in terms of that Saturday Morning cartoon bringing
that vibe back, and maybe they found some good numbers
with that. That one's also was kind of confirmed before the
first season even came out, right, So we'll see maybe
maybe who knows if it continues for five to six
years in a row, or if it's just two or three.
Speaker 1: Great, now it's three they got planned for Dynycon and
I think after it's like, let's see how it goes,
you know. Yeah, and next season is not that I
like to bring it up too much, but obviously there
was the guy like the boat of Mail thing happened, right,
and they got rid of that guy in there placed him.
He did put out there, so again whatever, take whatever
you want, but he put out there that a lot
of his stuff for season two has been taken out
or change. So again not talking about whatever the guy
did or whatnot, but obviously very talented writer. I'm not
saying that that means season two is gonna suck, but
like it's my worry is my worry. It's it's like
the JJ Ryan Johnson thing where not so much even
the content being good or whatnot. So it's like, clearly
x N ninety seven season one sets up some stuff
and then what if this new writer is like, well,
I don't really want doing that stuff, so let's just
kind of go this direction, right, Like, that's my worry
with that show where I felt like they brought up
back in was singing, where now there's all this jumbling
up it's getting messy. They want to take this guy's
credit off, which, yeah, do whatever, it's your product. But
you're changing stuff and I didn't really love season three
or what if? And that's the head writer of the
new X Men stuff. And for me, I'm I'm pretty
I'm pretty nervous for ninety seven season two. I'm I'm
really I'm like the Jordan Peel sweat right now. You know,
I'm not saying don't get botn to Mayo back. No,
if you had obviously lots of issues with them, don't
do that. But it's it's a weird, tricky handoff between
seasons where you already had a show planned out. Now
it's kind of being rewritten, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then when I look at the other things
that we have on the slate right now for TV
shows like an Iron Heart, like a wonder Man, what
else is coming out that is announced?
Speaker 1: Like Zombies, we got that, and then you got Vision
that's coming out as well, supposedly next.
Speaker 2: So none of those to me seem like yearly things.
So I feel like those are kind of relics of
the old guard, the old way of introducing new characters,
or in the case of iron Heart kind of we
already got the introduce but like this is your this
is actually her first story on her own. But yeah,
I feel like Daredevil and these animated shows seems like
pretty safe places to start building up this and see
how that goes and get that workflow going and then
like kind of build up again in a way. So
I think that I think that makes sense for them.
And I don't know. I guess I like the idea
of getting new characters, but like I kind of would
just prefer those characters getting movies than these shows, I
think in some cases. And I don't know, I haven't
loved the shows as much in general, but some of
them are quite good, So I don't know. I think
I maybe for the shows, for characters that we've already
been introduced to, like Loki and Hawkeye and WandaVision kind
of coming out as a Falcon Winter soldier, like all
ones that already had established characters. So maybe maybe they're
even seeing in the results, like it's just better to
do it the opposite way, introduce people on the big
screen and then bring them TV later.
Speaker 1: Oh I yeah, I think That's always been my pitch.
Like the first three shows like I don't get me wrong,
I would excait when they announced Moonnight and she Hulk
and I'm still I loved Lost She Hulk Moon Night.
To me, it was fine, but like to me, when
you looked at the numbers, it was like, Okay, I
think you saw that the people for the most part glombed
onto the characters that were returning, right, And that's where
to me it's tough because I was bringing up this graft.
I just want to see like the show. So it's
like obviously Wanta Vision because I just want to say,
how much of the stuff When you're like with Ironheart,
I say, okay, how many shows were just there to like,
were any on their own? And there's only really one
I could think of. But even then I think I'm wrong,
Like Okay, Wana Vision, Oh damn, I lost it all
Wana Vision? That really set up or oh my god,
Secret Invasion yuck, I forgot about this, Like kay Wanavision
that sets up Strange too right, fuck Wing your Soldier
that sets up cap for Loki. That to me felt
like a perfect like we've killed them off the movies,
we can't do anything else with them. That to me
is like a perfect let's do a show, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's one of the few that did get a
second season at this point, or yeah, the only really,
it's the only one.
Speaker 1: So like live action Hawkeye obviously that that was the
one where I'm like, oh, what do you do? But
you set up two things. If you set up Kingpin
and Kate Bishop to go in Young Avengers, I'll skip
mod Night for a second, Miss Marvel they set up
for the Marvels, right, yep, this is my two here. Moonnight,
I imagine is setup because like, oh, we're gonna do
a midnight Suns movie play and all that. That was
the setup. She halks. The one that I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, what was the plan?
Speaker 1: We said?
Speaker 2: You know, we talked so much about, like was what
was she gonna be in Captain America? That obviously didn't happen,
So like, yeah, yeah, what was the game plan?
Speaker 1: Because all these were, like I said, all these shows
of this, like for this phase four, I guess it
was Phase four the Disney plus all them. You could see, Okay,
they made this show to get us to this point,
she halks. The one that doesn't make sense. May they
just thought because hey, we can't make a Hawk movie.
Let's do that, and then when you get to phase five,
this is when they really go on the air pumping
out content and like Agatha that's a spin off, a
Echo that's a spinoff. Locate at season two Secret Invasion.
I guess that was like another Marvel's lead into but really,
like i'd say born Again, you could count Echo, but
really Born Again feels like Again. It's funny, we're back
to the Netflix stuff that feels like the first show
show like the first like, hey, we're gonna do this
and do season two and it's gonna be a show
because like you said, Ironheart, that feels like it's her story,
but that's probably still just setting up like her and
Young Avengers. Again, we have iSER Kond by Marvel wonder Man.
I'm sorry, I love Yah Yah, but that thing's doa
I think that's gonna come out, Like to me, it's
like Echo, it's gonna come out, and we're probably never
gonna see Echo for a long time. You think you
think one of men's gonna comeut, we're gonna see him
in like a Marvel project in the next years after
I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean part behind that considering the fate of
Moonnight in She Hulk at this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you got Vision Quest, which, like the
good thing is they're supposedly adapting this story. I think
it's just called Vision, but they're adapting the story where
he goes to like a little suburban town and makes
his own family. I think I've talked to you about
this before. We has like a robot wife and a
robot's son and everything. Yeah, that to me feels like
the low key thing where that's perfect of like can't
do a movie. Vision's not dead, but he's in this
weird limble of like he kind of has his memory
kind of doesn't. Like, that's to me a perfect like
mini series event or even Punisher, like we talked about
the special that's perfect. So I feel like they have
to be really picky. I was gonna ask you, is
there any characters whether we've seen them, whether it's in
the MC or Netflix or any characters we have seen,
is anyone jumps to mind of like, hey, they should
do a like Daredevil now, like a multi season if
that's what they're gonna do, because right now, like you said,
we don't really have much announced though other than Daredevil,
Like this is even Punisher is a special. It's not
like they announced, Hey, Punisher's back and he's doing multiple seasons. Like,
is that how you do a Jessica Jones? Do you
do a Heroes for higher? Is there anyone else in
the MC? I'm trying to think that you could do,
Like I guess maybe Young Avengers could be that, But
I feel like that's a that's an expensive, like multi
season show. I think that's almost like a vision where
you get like a one.
Speaker 2: Shot like I mean, I guess if we look at that, like, yes, uh,
Miss Marvel has been on the big screen now, but
if we do look at Young Avengers, we got uh
what's his name from Agatha, we got Kate Bishop, we
got Miss Marvel. So it seems like, okay, if we're
doing that, their legacy so far has largely been on
the small screen, on the home screen, So maybe that
makes sense as like kind of going that route.
Speaker 1: Can you do that for multiple seasons though, like all
that big of a cast.
Speaker 2: I guess if you start small, maybe maybe if you
start small and you plan it as like a maybe
even just just plan it as like a three season thing,
doesn't have to be indefinite. But just you know, two
or three seasons and you slowly build that roster up.
I guess maybe, And like I guess, I just feel
like with the caliber of all those actors, like I
don't think any of them are demanding a huge pay check,
like even Steinfeld, Like I don't know if she's she's
not not Robert Downey numbers, you know, like you can
order kind of thing, and she might be the most
expensive one on that team potentially. Now, if you're throwing
Tom Holland in there, that's a whole different realm. But
I don't think that's the route we're going with with Spidey,
So that might be a good one. My other one
is still I you know, definitely some biasaries. I love
the show, but I do think she Hulk, among all
those shows we talked about, does seem like one of
the best ones for like an annual kind of thing, right,
just because it's maybe a bit lower stakes, because it's
different tonally than some of the other stuff. Maybe the
cgi angle of it makes it tricky in terms of
the production of it.
Speaker 1: I think it was expensive the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and so that's you know, that's maybe the downside.
But even like if I compare that to other like
something like Moon Night, I'm kind of good with the
one season we got bring him into other stuff, and
we still haven't seen that, of course, so we'll see
if that does ever happen or we just forget about
Moon Night. But yeah, I think of all those shows,
she Alk's the one that makes the most sense. We're
talking about Loki and that was successful two season to run,
but we've kind of set up like the end of
that to some extent. Now you can always keep going
with it, of course, and I'm sure we'll see Loki
again someday, but I feel like they kind of close
that door to some extent. So I think it would
be my answer right now would be some more young
avengersy things could even though I've talked about how I'd
rather get movies for that, but I think the more
we've talked about it, maybe that could could make sense there.
And yeah, she Hulk, I guess would be the ones
off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, because I don't know, you
weren't on the.
Speaker 2: Maybe an X Men character. I don't know which one,
but like that could be another thing too. You probably
want one X Men property as like a frequent thing.
You can get other characters popping in and out right.
Speaker 1: Last week one weekly me and Tara talked about that
was the two things where they canceled no or they
put on hold. Let me they canceled, they put on
hold Strange Academy Nova and Terror Ink, which we had
never heard of, but they I guess we're working on that.
And I guess though, and the rumors though, is that
they're working on like an X Men Academy show that
to me is like a perfect like I've always pitched it,
like it's Carry Potter multiple seasons, where like to me,
that's where it's like Nova, that's a space show. That
makes sense why they canceled it. Like I know people
might be like, oh, X Men could be expensive, Well
if you don't give them any fight scenes. It's just
said in a big mansion like it's.
Speaker 2: We need a lot. We need to explain what the
heck is going on with the X Men and why
they even exist. So I feel like there's a lot
of room for a show to explore that kind of stuff,
even though like if it's a six episode run, you're
not gonna get a lot of time out of that.
It's pretty short and sweet, so I think they could
definitely keep that under wraps and that would probably have
some good synergy with X Men ninety seven. It's different
X Men strokes for different folks, right, but it would
be kind of synergistic at the same time.
Speaker 1: And I was trying just to like Google's awful, Like
I was trying to find like just any maybe no
one's done it, maybe we should have maybe a could
see seo form. But I try to find like any
like article or Red or something like people have a
list of like characters that should get a TV show,
because I was trying to get some ideas of like
characters like Daredevil where it's who could get a show?
Speaker 2: Well, you like multiple seasons, right, you asked me about
Jessica Jones and like Defender's era stuff, Like do you
think that Daredevil being the first one of the live
action to potentially get this treatment would be like an
indicator that that is something they would go down and
bring either bringing back those characters or just setting up
other you know, New York Street level people.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's like we got that season two
and then the Punisher special confirmed, Like I think they
know the good thing with them is they know that
these guys at least have a fan base built in,
and they're cheaper shows. Not that the talent's cheaper, but like,
you just gotta get punished her a bunch of fake guns, right,
you just gotta get Charlie Cox a good looking suit. Like,
there's not gonna be massive effects. So I feel like
and I don't think it's a mistake. I know christ
and Riddle is in New York filming Dexter right now,
but they're also filming Daredevil. You can't tell me she
can't take a hop, skip and a jump to like do.
That's like perfect timing for her. Did you hear the
name of her killer name in Dexter? No, it's a
what is it? Lady Vengeance, so like Lady Liberty.
Speaker 2: She's fucking love that. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Don't know more, she's just a serial killer. What I'd
say the best thing I think to do.
Speaker 2: I even't had Riddle on my screen in a long time.
I need her back in my life, so I'm excited
for that.
Speaker 1: She did it because she has kids, so I get it.
But she had popped up recently. We watched Sonic three,
and that was wild. Emmy and I are like, why
is she in Sonic And it's very like not a
big role. She's like like a CIA agent or something,
but yeah, she's in Sonic three.
Speaker 2: Is it fun?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Is it? Is it a fun character?
Speaker 1: No? Okay, she's not bad, but she's like they just
don't care much to do. But I so if the
only thing I'd say out of that realm you could
pitch because Austin I think we talked about this on
the news, Bernhal I think is too busy for a show.
So that's why they're doing a special. I think to
me a Heroes for High show, but like add Jessica
in there, like that to me is strong if they
because I don't know if for the big poll for people,
if it's I think with the canon we're getting now,
I do think we'll get the same actors back for
Luke Cage and Iron Fist, I think they just want
to keep that kind of COPD. I think so because
I don't think he'll ever be in his own but
that's my thing of like, I don't think even if
they anounce, say we're doing Heroes for Hire, I don't
think those two alone have enough poll. I think you
do heroes for hire, and Jessica's with them, and it's
like a three way type of show, like one's the muscle,
one's a billionaire, and one's the detective. There's like a
fun thing you do there. So that's what I could think.
They're in the storyline or in the comic storylines, like
Jessica and Luke Cage have a kid. There's tons of
fun you could do with that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: So that could be the next Young Avenger is the
offspring of those two, and maybe over the course of
the Snap, maybe they've already shacked up and we're ready
to go. Kids are ten years old, like young to
Chaka whoever.
Speaker 1: Some of these people they picked like a because I
found a Reddit thing finally of like what Marvel character
needs their own to show? Someonet put Modoc who This
was a year ago, so granted lots of change, but.
Speaker 2: Who the seen where the fate of Modoc is in
the current timeline?
Speaker 1: People. The most we got with the Modoc was fine
with the did you watch the animated series with that?
Speaker 2: I never got around to it.
Speaker 1: It's fun.
Speaker 2: It's like a robot chicken kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was me and Emily enjoyed. It was like
got a couple of last but like some must be right,
I might be yeah, Hercules, No, that's not gonna happen Black.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I forgot Hercules got introduced and that's a
big actor now, so maybe they would coming back.
Speaker 1: He never come.
Speaker 2: You don't think any like as guard I guess Asgard
is kind of just a hole in the ground. But like,
you don't think we'd ever get like a like a
as Guardian type character as a centerpiece. We've had a
lot more.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be like Kid low Key on a team.
I think it's just like what we just talked about.
I think Young Avengers would be the cap of how
expensive they're willing to go. I think they want to
keep them pretty. They like pretty safe and stuff. Like
I'm just like the show's people. I guess maybe them
think a year ago, right, Like Silver Surfer. I guess
like there's a time where I could see them pitch that,
but there's no way I think this Disney Plus is
doing a multi season Silver Surfer show, Like do you
think that there's the two?
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean we are getting Surfer in the movie, right, So,
but do.
Speaker 1: You think they do a show multi seasons that they're
pretty perfect?
Speaker 2: Me to say, because I don't actually know much about
Silver Surfer. That's not a other than like the original
F four. I don't think I've ever actually seen the
character or anything like. He's just one of those Marvel
characters that somehow has slept past me. So I don't know,
I don't I don't know the well, I guess in
this case with the woman's Silver Surfer, I don't even
I don't really know much about the background, Like I
don't know if there's the sauce there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, And I'm just like I'm just even looking
through people's suggestions of like if it's no longer like
the original Disney Plus, where hey anything like she Hall
Caul cgi characters on the table, It's not like that.
If it's like we gotta we're trying to make these
things a bit more cheaper go for multiple years, taking
out the Netflix people. I really don't know and the
Young Avenger. I really don't know what's going to be
next for Disney Plus, and maybe like even this year, well,
actually no, that's a live we got ironhearter on Wonder man,
but even next year is just supposedly Vision Quest and Daredevil,
so like maybe they're just gonna keep it zombieslow. So
in Zombies, yeah, so we'll walk me. But there's just
not much live action, Like I'm just looking at people suggestions.
It's just I don't think it's stuff that will It's
it's too big. I mean, for what it sounds.
Speaker 2: On top of that list, Chuck Punisher in there, because
that's another thing hitting Disney Plus. It's not a show,
but it's still yeah, yeah, in Disney Plus content content.
Speaker 1: Even Ghost Rider. Now it's like I feel like I
don't know if it's gonna happen now, because then I
feel like if it happens, you're just getting like Johnny
Blaze a lot, like he won't be the Rider a lot,
you know. But right, yeah, I know we have to see.
It'll be interesting in the next couple of years because
maybe they're honestly not gonna even do too many new
shows until after Secret Wars as well, right, like get
through that, but it's gonna be interesting whether five Ye's
around or not when we get that, if they do it,
when we get that, like Slate Dump after Secret Wars
I think the thing that at least is safe.
Speaker 2: For them is you know, the sentence slate.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I can't wait for that hashtag slate dump.
But you know it's gonna be like four to five
X Men projects that are gonna save them, right. You
got like X Men the movie, x Academy, Wolverine like
right there, and then Fantastic four two like that's right there.
You already got.
Speaker 2: Free or or Kitty Pride and Spider Man.
Speaker 1: For yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly got that going on. Kundy
Pride also does marry star Lord, so if she doesn't
get it with Peter.
Speaker 2: And he's on Earth and he's depressed and alone, so
that's the time. I don't know if I want Chris
Pratt and Daisy Ridley. Maybe I do. I don't know
if I want that. I gotta think about that, but no,
I think yeah. Maybe. My final takeaway here is just
like for me as me personally, as an individual person,
not looking at the Raider fan base and what more
people want is you know, it's proof and just looking
at the reviews, like I've kind of been dipping on
shows and I love the MCU, but even I've kind
of waned a bit of my interest there with Agtha
now Spider Man. So I think I'm good with a
little bit of a reset, a little bit of a
soft reset of just the plan there and make it
a little more exciting for me personally. I mean, I
loved X Men last year, so it's not like it's
been that long since I have found a show that
I have loved and that's coming back right away. And
I'm excited for Daredevil, so it's not like I'm dead
on excitement level. But still like I go say everything
in the theaters, but when it comes to the TV shows,
I'm more selective, and so I'd like to get to
the point where I'm like, I can't miss whatever the
new show is at this point.
Speaker 1: At some point you should catch up on Spidy Spy Spy.
Speaker 2: I will, yes, next time I have Disney. Plus I'm
gonna I think finish Agatha end that, but which I
guess is probably this week because of a Daredevil, so
maybe i'll watch them soon.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so Elena, I think because it's in Thunderbolts now,
but there's interesting points. View is too big now but
like if you yeah, but yeah, we'll have to see
Elektra yeah, I just want her back. Let's get her
back live first before Gardner or uh definitely ld you know.
So yeah, see, there's like the only person they had
the budget for it. The only person is like Valkyrie,
Like you talking about ASCAR characters, like maybe that's one.
But again, I don't think we're going to ASCAR. But
that's when it's like, Okay, that's that's like a good
line in the movies.
Speaker 2: But I feel like they've already kind of botched like
interesting stuff they could have done with Valkyrie.
Speaker 1: I think so, but you never know. And Hercules, I
don't think so, because it's just I don't think you've
ever seen Hercules ever. Again. I don't think you're seeing
Harry Styles ever again.
Speaker 2: What are their really I don't think Hercules Styles seems
more likely as a dead character, but Hercules, like I think,
because we're getting thor what the heck are we on now?
Four or five? We're getting that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they haven't announced. I think we will, but
I just think they're gonna go. I guess he'll be
in there, but he'll be like the worst three whereof
like a small role. I think they're gonna go to
the complete well again, then maybe I wouldn't put money
on it though, Like I wouldn't. I I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I just feel like that guy's kind of gaining traction
as an actor, as a oh A big star yet.
But yeah, I think I want to use them, you know.
Speaker 1: I just think they'll have like go a complete different
direction away from the Taiker stuff, so like, let's not
use that might remind people, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess he was just so using there such
a small amount. I don't know if they've like set
the tone for me yet, Like they could go dark
and brooding, which is what that actor does a lot
of so.
Speaker 1: Serious, does I know, there's like I'll have to pull
it up. I want to pull up when we in
a different maybe brand butter topic of like all the
end credits that have still not been paid off and
we're just we're just brush all, yeah, has not been
paid off. So but yeah, there we go. So let's
take our last ad break and we'll talk about some Shrek,
talk about some trailers, and beat it right back and
we are back. So I'm not gonna I guess I
might pull up a picture of it. So anyways, we're
talking about a bunch of teasers. But let's talk about
Shrek first, a Shrek.
Speaker 2: Five and what is this controversy? I gotta hear what's
going on here?
Speaker 1: So Shrek five they revealed it. Let's see if I
can get okay, perfect, I got a side by side.
The biggest thing people are complaining about is the animation,
and they feel like it's like, like this is sacrilege
what they've done to Shrek, that he looks awful, that
you know, there's all the stuff, because I'll get the
side by side, but to me, like, I know, he
looks like a little different and un Donkey too, right,
So this was just the biggest thing that and this
has been to talk about everywhere where they don't look
the same, they don't have the same animation style. For me,
I like recognize that, like, Okay, they look a little
bit different. I think Donkey looks that way because he's
older and Shrek looks a little bit older. But for me,
I just saw it as like, Okay, this is what
they're doing in twenty twenty five. But this was like
an uproar. On the end of today, we talked a
bit about our discord of like I think because the
way the reason is if you look at the left,
obviously that's the DreamWorks animation, and then the right it's
still dream Works. But I think people are saying it's
like almost like picks our eyes. Taara thought looked like
AI like I wouldn't go that far. To me, I
didn't think it looked AI liked the new Shrek stuff.
But yeah, it was a big uproar where there's people
saying that they they're comparing to this like ugly sonic deal,
Like people have like they don't made petitions, but there's
trending tweets of people being like, maybe we can bully
them the same way we bullied the Sonic pep no legitimately,
like people are starting campaigns to like the hashtags are
like not much like this is like a big thing.
And to me it was just like, oh, it's Shrek
animated in twenty twenty five, Like he's gonna look a
little bit different. I thought, But I don't know.
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, you told me the Taylor thing, But what
are the other good people of our discord thing, because
that's those are people that I trust, as having said.
Speaker 1: I think was with me that didn't think that, And
then I think other people just agreed that it did
look like it looks different, but it didn't. Like to me,
it didn't look That's something first, because I watched the
teaser right and right now, the tweet I have right
now is discussing film that's like a very big Twitter account, right,
and the next tweet was, Oh, they've redesigned tracks like them,
And I'm like, oh did they? And I pull them up.
I'm like, yeah, like I guess, But to me, it's
just not redesigned. It's kind of like I saw a
good thing. I'll see if I could pull it up.
But people are the Defenders were showing like Nathan Drake
from Uncharted three and then on Charted four, and it
was because the games were so long. It's just like
animations and production technology, it changes. So to me, it's like,
I kind of get some of that complays. But even
though put some Boots movie that was animed differently than
what he was originally, so I just I don't get.
Speaker 2: He just looks like a little more detailed version to me. Now,
these is obviously cherry picking two screenshots when it's an animation,
not a screenshot thing. Yeah, but I'm gonna be honest
when I watched the teaser, I didn't notice. And you know,
maybe I was wolfing down some broccoli. I was eating
my dinner, so I didn't notice. But like, I don't know,
I didn't catch it personally. But now I'm seeing it
when you bring it up, like it is noticeable. For sure,
that's different, but.
Speaker 1: But like, is it noticeable like to me when people
like look at that, and what do they do to him?
Speaker 2: Twenty four thousands, that's what they did to him. Like
to me, the poor guy's age. That's not the ageist
towards the Shrek.
Speaker 1: These three kids, you know, that age is like in
a second, you know, But when people bread ugly songic thing,
to me, that is like a that's a whole different
lead like Sonic in that first trailer looked nothing like
Sonic other than he was blue. All. Look, the chat's alive.
Now they're waiting again.
Speaker 2: Here, I know they woke up, their their little Shrek
ears perked up when they're I'm.
Speaker 1: Telling you, people are passionate on the Shrek thing. But
as Buff says, it looks like it's a put some
Boots animation, but with normal frame rate, less stylized borders
effects at least my opinion. I agree, Like people don't
talk about the pussing boots like it was different. Seer
Mike says, yeah, look fine to me, the last one
was ten years ago off, so you're gonna have changes.
So we got some same people here, but trying to
find the puss booth. Yeah, like here's the thing. Put
some boots is different, you know, like like it's a
little bit different. But to me, it was just like
the Ugly song thing. He's Bluey's hedgehog shirt, but he
looked so different like the song. Like you remember what
Ugly Songic looked like?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean I tried to block it out
of my mind, but I do remember.
Speaker 1: Let's see if I even say Ugly Sonic and see
if people are talking about right now, because I feel
like people are making the compare. Yeah, look at that.
That's not Sonic.
Speaker 2: That's not good.
Speaker 1: So people like the street no Way Shred, like this
is what I mean, No Way Shrek and Donkey got
the Ugly Sonic treatment.
Speaker 2: This is it?
Speaker 1: Does? I know it's a first kid, but I've seen
other people don't bring this up like other training tweets,
but like that is not sonic that is not so
a hedgehog, that's something else. But this that to me,
I could symic. Oh, that's Shrek and Donkey. That look
a little bit different. You know, it's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on your you and side of the equation.
Speaker 1: There's no like, I don't see how people see the
sides of this, Like even Donkey, it's like, you don't
look that different, Like his ears are down, he has
some like I don't know. It's it's a fascinating world.
Speaker 2: Where and sometimes the internet is exhausting. This sounds like
one of those times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you ever Jesus Christ ugly Sonic was something horrendous?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 1: Did you ever see the Chippendale's me that camera during COVID? Uh?
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know if I could get copyright for this,
but let me see if I can quickly find it.
They did a good thing here. But while I'm looking
this up, what did you think of? Also knew a
Shrek's coming apparently you know it's gonna be about his daughter.
The rumor is they released this trailer actually early because
Scooper has got that Zendia was in it. So they're like,
I just release it because people know. But Zendia's playing
the main daughter. There's rumors that Lord Farkward's coming back
because you're gonna love this. There's rumors that this movie
features the multiverse, so there you go. But yeah, supposedly
that obviously Zendia is if she's not the main character,
it's like main character a with Shrek. So also it's
a very many teaser. But what did you think about this?
And I'm excited to have Shrek back in your life?
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, here's the thing. I've never even
seen past number two. Okay, what so there are multiple
Shrek movies I could go right now and watch for
the very first time. So I'm excited about five. No,
I mean, I don't care. I watched the first two.
I love them as a kid, and then I grew
up a little bit more and I was less interested,
and then fifteen years have passed since then here we
are today, so I don't really care. I think it's Zenday.
I love her, so it's cool that she's in there
bringing back far Quad. You know, I have some good
nostalgic fun members of that guy, so it all seems
good to me. But yeah, am I excited? No, Okay, can't.
I can't honestly say I am, just because, like I said,
I haven't even gone watched number three or four, the
Holiday Special or the Christmas I don't even know what
these series does anymore. But they did a bunch of
yeah they did.
Speaker 1: They had I think a Holiday specially and a Christmas
Specially year ray, and then honestly they had to put
some Boots movie and then put some Boots show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I haven't even seen the first movie put some Boots.
I watched the second one because it was Golden Geek material. Yes,
but I haven't even seen the first one of that.
And I'm sure there's like six Donkey movies that haven't
seen those.
Speaker 1: There's rumors of a Donkey movie coming actually, but Mike says,
you crushed my anticipation of mentioning Shrek Multiverse just a
room right now, so we'll see. But that is I think.
How Lord fark Work gets back, I don't know, because
here's my thing.
Speaker 2: Did he die? I can't even remember he did?
Speaker 1: He got aiden by dragon?
Speaker 2: Okay, but that's you know, did you see his dead
body or did he just get eaten by dragon? Well?
Speaker 1: He got aiden and then in the Halloween special they
talked about how the ghosts of Lord fark Ward haunts
the castle and.
Speaker 2: You for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The reason too was really cool. When I went
to Universal that was the three the four D ride.
That was great, and then they turned into like a
little TV show. But it's like, uh, like when rats
would run by, you know, fello rats on your feet,
when dragon fires like fire, that was really cool. But
what I was gonna say, as somebody that's a big
you know, before the MCU started, Shrek was maybe the
mostessful cinematic universe. You know, you had multiple Shreks. These
specials put some boots. It's still going strong now, right,
But what's interesting to me? People are gonna say it's bullshit,
But for me, what IF's multiverse time travel? It's all
the same, like type of bag right, Like to me,
a multiverse story is pretty much a time travel story
in a way. It's like, what could have happened so
you didn't get to four? What happened is in four
he meets Rumpel Stillskin and of course he gets tricked
into some sort of deal and it's kind of like
a what if he didn't meet Fiona, right, So then
because he like the whole thing is, he's like at
a birth day kid they had the triplets in three
they're having a birthday party and there's so many people
and Shreks just like, I fucking hate my family and kids.
Like it's like kind of like that story of like
what if I was alone again? Right, Like I just
won my free time, I could be my swamp and
rumbull still, like, ah, wouldn't it be great? So they
do this where he makes a deal and he sees
what his life would have been like if he didn't
meet Fiona, and like Fiona is like a warrior ogre
and Donkey doesn't know him, but he has to like
get Fiona's love back in seven days or the curse
states forever. Right. So, to me, Shrek four was the
lowest grossing and I think it's everyone's least favorite. But
they kind of already did the like what if in
a Shrek movie and they're doing it maybe again, which
is kind of odd. So I want to see what
it is. I'm sure it's just a book spell, but
I think either way, I think this movie is gonna
be massive for a long time. Shrek two is like
the top grossing anime movie. I think to like the
twenty like one of the toy stories knocked it off.
But I think people already love Shrek. But I think
because he's been gone for I don't know when was
Shrek four, I think we're coming on a couple.
Speaker 2: I mean, he is still as culturally relevant as he
has ever been.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorek ten when Shrek Forever After came out, and
that's coming out next year, so we're looking at sixteen years.
I think that's a big thing. And I think lots
of people or so, I think this movie has lots
of things because they always were making like pop culture
references and digs and jokes like when people already were
giving a shit of like oh my god, they're doing
like a TikTok spoof. It's like did you not watch
the Shrek movies? Like that was the whole gimmick that
they were medieval times, but they were like making jokes
about like regular day things and pop like why why
is snow White singing like Ozzy Osbourne? That shouldn't happen
in medieval times, but like you know that happens. So yeah,
I'm in Zendaia. Sure, I'm I guess they probably threw
a bag of money at her just because I thought
her career was going on like a different directory. It's fine,
but like like let's call a space bade Mike, Mike Myers,
Cameron Diaz, Eddie Murphy, they were never like gonna be
in the Zendea like Oscar winning type of actress, right,
Like they're massive stars, but they were never that career wise.
But may Zendas want to do it. Maybe she wants
to be like a just a box office drawing Shrek.
Shrek helps with that, So.
Speaker 2: What I mean, she probably just grew up loving it
and then someone asked being it and she's like, well,
hell yeah, it's one of my favorite movies, so I
think it's any people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm just gonna set this up. There's only
forty seconds. Chippendale's they did this great thing where they
were at a comic con where it's just like old
animated characters or whatnot or something like that, whatever it is,
and they I don't know how they got the right system.
Sure there's a story, but they see ugly sonic there
and he's like a boof. I'm gonna be up on
that stage too, right beside you.
Speaker 2: Yes, ugly Sonic, that's the spirit.
Speaker 1: No like me for who I am, not like last
time when the internet got one look at my human
teeth and burn the place down. Okay, let's seat anyway.
Not my luck has shifted. I've been offered a new
reality show where I do ride alongs with the FBI.
Speaker 2: It's called Ugly Sonic Uglier Crimes.
Speaker 1: Really a TV show?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that so difficult to believe? Oh? Uh, I
guess that's what Mike was talking about the teeth as night. Yeah,
you know what. That's so kudos to them. That's just
what it's not like for me. The content in there
funny enough, like it's all right, but just the fact
that go yeah joke within itself is just like, oh
that's a smart like whoever had the idea of like
think about like old retired like b cedless celebrities, like
having Ugly Sonic. Great stuff there, so good stuff.
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, trailers, let's all we got a bunch of trailers.
Talk about a surfer, another simple favor, freaky tales, borderline
havoc and bring her back. Where do you want to start? Oh?
Speaker 2: My god, where do I want to start? Maybe I'll
start with I'll start with a low one for me
because I need some context here another simple favor. I
don't know anything about simple favor. What's going on?
Speaker 1: You were seeing the first one?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, So what's going on here? What's the like,
what's the elevator pitch of the first one? And why
are they making a sequel?
Speaker 1: Elevator pitch of the first one? Is nerdy girl gets
offended by cool girl. But cool girl's a monster, like
a literal monster. No, but like you know that's in
this trailer, like are you is she an aristocrat? Is
sheit killer? I didn't know that. I thought you'd seen it,
so I wouldn't have made you watch.
Speaker 2: This is the same cast or is it like.
Speaker 1: A exact same cast? Yeah, so it's everybody.
Speaker 2: Is that a good? No?
Speaker 1: The first one's fantastic. No, first one's fantastic. It's one
of these moods. So it's like when it's it's Paul
Figue and he does all those like like like look
at his IMDb and you'll know what I'm talking about.
For the most part, they're all very you've seen that
type of Colmedy movie, and he did Bride's Maids, but
I think that's his best one. They're all like different
versions of.
Speaker 2: Like Ghostbusters, the Heat Spy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you see then you know what a type
of directory is, right, absolutely, So with the Simple Favor,
it had like a little bit about that, but it
was more of a drama and it was very well done.
It's a very cool, like cat and Mouse like dramedy thriller,
and Anna Kendria and Blake Lively had really great chemistry,
so it was really good. So it was one of
these films that was like a surprise hit when it
came out that year, just like critically and like even me,
I think I saw it because I am. I'm like,
oh I see, It's like yeah, okay, sure, Like I
had very low expectations. There is a review actually somewhere
in Geek First I liked as much. I did a
soul review and it's really good. But it's also a
movie that feels like it should not have a sequel
at all. Feels like it ends very like the book
is shut on this chapter, like many bad things get
revealed about Blake Lively's character. So the fact that it's
like she's at a prison and like wants her to
come to the wedding. Don't know why you would eat
because the whole trailer you've seen this where it's like, oh, what.
Speaker 2: Do you want?
Speaker 1: You're trying to get back and be like why would
you do? Like I'm waiting for the Hopefully watch the
movie and see what the other hook is, because why
is this person who all these bad things are revealed
about her and they're maybe after you you're gonna like
give them a second chance, Like I'm sorry, Dan, like
a minus for first one. If anyone in my real
life tries to murder me, I'm not gonna that. There's
no second chances for that person. You know.
Speaker 2: That's what about Taylor. He's tried to murder you many times, hasn't.
Speaker 1: He The problem? I guess the problem is.
Speaker 2: That the of Nightfall and pen Solo and no, you're.
Speaker 1: Right, you're right, But the problem is we're contractually bound
by this podcast. I don't see my real life, so
like when he invites me over, like I don't go
there and anything like.
Speaker 2: That, So because he might be poisoned the food or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's actually the real reason why we cast like.
Speaker 2: Virtually now, I actually do live in Klona, but we
just do this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all fun because because Taylor is trying to
kill me. So but uh, okay, so in that aspect,
if I wasn't on a podcast with someone, I wouldn't
see them again. But yeah, so for me, I'm I'm interested.
But it's a movie that I feel like they made
too because I got a big paycheck and I don't
even think it's going to box office. It was like
a box office like minor hit. But yeah, so I
would not put that in there if I didn't know
you'd seen. I thought we talked about it at some
point on the podcast or something.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad I just learned that. And uh yeah,
we'll see if I remember it by the time this
movie comes out. Probably not.
Speaker 1: If you never have something to watch and you're in
for like a little fun comedy thriller. The first one
is I think worth your time. There's some good.
Speaker 2: Off And then the next one I'll bring up is
I'll bring it right back, bring her back. This is
the next movie from the people who did talk to me.
This movie looks fantastic. I am very excited for this.
I love that movie. I think it's really it's I guess.
You know. The year before this Golden Geese, we did
like Best Horror Movie. I think that was the winner,
right of that category that we.
Speaker 1: Did want to Yeah, we forgot to do that this year.
Speaker 2: I don't think I didn't really forget. I just don't really.
I don't think I had the sauce, and I don't
think that category had the sauce. We just didn't have
enough fuel for it to make it super exciting.
Speaker 1: And we also we also had Long Legs and Nosa
to in Best Golden Geese.
Speaker 2: So we tried it in that year. And I think
on certain years, if there's certain genres that are just slammed,
it would be fun to get some bones categories in there.
But I'm glad we did want that one year. But anyway,
I yeah, talked to me, Yeah exactly, that could be
it talk to me really great, really interesting movie, like
visuals of it are great. Before I even saw that
sizzle thing in the trailer, that's reminded me of who
the directors were. It was giving me hereditary vibes, and
if you're good from your hereditary vibes, I'm into it
the people, the weird naked people touching people a weird way,
is the strange cinematography. I think this looks really great,
So I'm very excited for this one. This is a
definitely like jumped up that anticipaid list for me. Now
I'm pretty stoked for this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very excited for it. I love love me
feel sure. I I think I really loved it. I
gotta watch talk to Me again, Like I want to
say I loved it, but I don't think it was
in like my top tim I feel like I gave
it like a good score. I don't know. I remember
very much enjoying. It's a it's so hard nowadays to
find concepts that are unique, right, because lots of times
he's just like, here's a spin on this, Like I like,
I got no problem, Like with when made a joy
Chrome that's like a spin on Saw on a Dangerous game?
Those like two movies I like, or franchise, like here's
a version of like what I kind of want to
do with it? But I was inspired by other projects, right,
we're talk to me. I'm sure they were inspired by
other things. But that's like a I don't know, a
movie where you hold a hand and talk to other
dead peel right. May there's some are you Afraid that
dark episode in.
Speaker 2: The nine something and then like nail that concept so
well visually and story wise and acting wise.
Speaker 1: Right, But so for me, the only thing that helped
me back was it's it's funny because they're already making Okay,
have four or five. I gotta watch it again. Though
the actress great job. I think I had like issues
with the third act of what I remember. I feel
like there's some some stumpiness there, but it's still the
point where I'm like, I'm very excited to see what
they do going forward. My only thing was they've announced
that they're doing talk to Me Too. If they didn't
announce that, yeah, yeah, if they didn't announce that, I
swore that this movie would be like a it's a sequel,
but not a sequel, because it feels like there's some
very similar vibes, Like even the title like bring her Back.
It seems like there's a circle and they're communicating. You
see multiple dead things, So that's that's not my concern,
But I'm just wondering if it's gonna feel I want
to see what the real pitches of the story because
I don't want to be like too samesy, Like it
feels like it's like another movie. If you're to show
the trailer to talk to me to this, and if
I were to give you a log line of it's
a movie about communicating with a dead that looks like
it's not the exact same movie, but they have, there's
like a one to one comparison.
Speaker 2: Especially even like as a creative, you release that movie,
you're working on the sequel in somewhere are they still.
Speaker 1: Working on they're directing the sequels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, their mind is filled with talk to me, like
it's all over the place, swirling around in that brain.
So I'm sure influences are going to pop in, even unintentionally.
Speaker 1: And who knows, it might even be like a black
mirror situation where like these don't connect, but they're still
in the same type of universe, which I don't mind
because Tarantino does that and Kim Smith ses that where
it's like, yeah, these things are kind of loosely connected.
So no, I'm very intrigued some very creepy visuals. I
think they're much like Neon with long legs, where I
don't know if it's these directors or whoever they're working with.
I think they always get their trailers cut really well,
like I think they do a good job of showcasing it.
So yeah, I think I will be there for And
that's this summer too. It's like not too far away.
So I was excited about. I just that was my
only thing of like, oh this looks. It looks looks
very not similar, but very in that same type of tone,
but not a bad thing, because I like to talk
to me. I just wonder like same thing. Now, it's
like if it is similar, Like what juice do they
have for talking to me too? Because I feel like
you might want to say something. But like I said,
this trailer didn't reveal a lot. I like Sally Hawkins
the actress, so maybe there's just gonna be some wild
swings that we're not even thinking about yet.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she's another one too. I haven't I haven't
seen her in anything in recently recent times, so I'm
excited for that.
Speaker 1: What was the last thing to see it? Was it
the Fish movie?
Speaker 2: It might have been, which was like a long time ago.
Speaker 1: Now what the hell is that called?
Speaker 2: Oh god?
Speaker 1: It won Best Picture? It did hidden Wow, Creature of
the Sea. No, because that's the problem with the memes
and everything, like it just became the fish sex movie,
you know, like that's.
Speaker 2: What it's s puff is in the chat We're gonna
need to bailed out here? What the hell is.
Speaker 1: That in the chair? Yeah? I won't. I think it's
just it's something sea or oh it's chat you can tell.
So I'm not gonna look it up. But I just
feel like.
Speaker 2: Like Shannon in there, we got fish sex, we got
fish tanks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sally Hawkins, call not call is woman in the
title woman the Woman.
Speaker 2: I can't believe this is fish in the title fish.
Shape of Water?
Speaker 1: You get a shape of water? Damn it? Good job,
thank you, super bad Mike.
Speaker 2: A pretty good title, A pretty good title too. I
like that title, but I just couldn't.
Speaker 1: It's also but it's also like words that aren't like
too memorable, right, Like it's something where it's not it's
not like to me like Django Unchain, where it's like,
oh that's very like that just stands out right. Shape
of water that could be like a soap opera too,
but it's true. All right, we're going next.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a treeage for me, a Preaky Tails borderline,
and how that didn't really move the needle for me.
Speaker 1: They're all kind of like details, No, not really.
Speaker 2: They were all in that bucket of like excited to
see what the discord thinks of this. But I'm not
gonna be the guinea pig on this one. I'm gonna
wait and see what other people think. But I kind
of have low expectations for all three of them for
different reasons, but I think mostly as they none of
them really had a style that was calling to me
or a concept, which are you know for these kind
of genre is the thing that that really bring me in.
Speaker 1: So Freakytails that's been a movie making the film festival
circuit for a while, Like I think it's one of
those like was maybe done in twenty twenty four or
three even, but it's gotten really good. Like anytime it's
just been shown somewhere, people always like, oh, this is
a really fun anthology movie. There was my voice, So
that's and I love a good anthology movie. I like
the cast of Pagro and some other people, like even
the iron Hard actresses in there, So I'm curious to
see that all out. But yeah, so I don't know.
I liked the style. I like the idea of it,
like kind of as a little bit of aies retro.
You could see there were different God, I'm not dimensions.
I can't remember what the ratios. There's different ratios in
the stories, so like I'm curious see how they tie
all together or if they're not. But yeah, so that one,
I'd say, obviously you're waiting for the discord, but that one, look,
I think that's the most potential because every time that's
a film.
Speaker 2: That's with context, for sure, you're selling me more than
the trailer did.
Speaker 1: Because even the trailers like Sundance and Sundimes is like
a big one. It's like a horror at Sundance. So like,
you know, hey, I'm did I try to submit to Sundance?
I can't remember, But anyways.
Speaker 2: You could put that as one of the Laurels submitted
to Sundance.
Speaker 1: They don't give me those ones before. I wish, I wish,
but yeah, and then Havoc, I wish the trail is longer.
But you've never seen any of the Raid movies, have you? No,
the Raid is like one of the most inspira inspirational
horror movie or sorry, action movies all time. You would
watch that movie and that would probably be a movie
you'd be like, Oh, this doesn't feel like anything I
haven't seen before. It's because like all the action movies
of like the twenty tens copy that, like the very
like the One Takes and Daredevil and stuff, they're all
inspired by the right Like it's that type of style.
So the only reason I'm excited for this is there's this,
and he has a TV show coming to Paramount. I'm
just excited to have Tom Hardy potentially back in some
good stuff. So other Raid, I definitely recommend. It's a
foreign film. There's not even that much talking in it,
but it is maybe worth a watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But that's that's you know, It's funny when we
were dude when Golden Geeks recently and I mentioned Tom
Hardy for his role in Bike Riders, which I was
the only one who had seen that movie, but I
really liked him in there, and it's like a good
reminder of like, oh, yeah, Tom Hardy is really good,
like when you put him in something that isn't the
Sony verse. But yeah, it's funny because I saw this
trailer get mentioned in the discord. I think it was
this movie, but then I watched the trailer. I'm like, okay, well,
like I want to see Tom Hardy and something that's
really good, but like, is that gonna be this or
is this just gonna be like another generic action flick
where he's doing something that anyway one else could do.
Speaker 1: This trailer definitely just banked on, because they even do
from the craters or whatever of the of the Raid.
It's like they definitely just banking on. Like, Okay, this
trailer is nothing too special, but if you like the Raid,
go check this movie off. I like Timothy Oliphant, so
I forgot he was in there. Yeah sure, but yeah no,
I happy remind me about Bike Riders because I need to.
I got a list of movies I gotta watch now
that I'm done Daredevil. I just finished my rewatch today,
so I'm gonna start watching, like I'm gonna watch The Gorge?
Are you You're not gonna watch The Gorge? Right, because
you said those trailers are awful, but everybody has seen
it tells me the trailers.
Speaker 2: I thought, Okay, it was kirk Movies, Kirk Taylor, Kirkland.
I want to check that movie out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I keep hearing good things, So Bike Riders is
one that I have my Amazon list, but I'm hoping
this is good. And then borderline, I don't know how
this is gonna. I'm I got a lot of pieces.
While I'm curious, I love Samorrow Weaving. I don't mind,
like I think this is like a This is one
where we talked about just a second ago. We've seen
verys of this plot right of super fan or stalker
kidnapping somebody. It's like a wild twenty four to seventy
two hours. But those sometimes can be pretty great. I
am very curious on Ray Nicholson because people should know
I love Jack Nicholson. You tell about classic stars of
like old Hollywood. To me, it's Jack Nicholson, Charle Heston,
those are my guys. I will like Jack Nicholson. He
I just love that man. I think he's one of
the grayst actors of all time. He's uh, what is it?
Record Oscar winner Dylan only person him, Daniel Day and
Males Streep to win three Oscars. Very impressive in that
acting category.
Speaker 2: We I thowt Daniel Day was like eclipse to them
at some point but I guess not.
Speaker 1: Jack's right there. Jack. People forget about jackause he's been.
Speaker 2: More his three wins.
Speaker 1: It was one of the Kucka's nests, as good as
it gets. And I always forget the first one because
I always think it's Chinatown, but it's not Chinatown.
Speaker 2: But he should always a leading or video supporting one in.
Speaker 1: The one's lead one is supporting, and I think the
other one is a lead as well. So I will
find out in a second. But so I've only seen
him in Smile too.
Speaker 2: And watch his Oscar winning stuff because I don't think
I've seen any of those.
Speaker 1: One flu of the cuckoos nest is a did you
not read that book in school?
Speaker 2: Even I did read the book in school?
Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, he's a movie. He plays McMurphy and
he's just like he's just giving it. Man, he's a
perfect McMurphy. But what was the other one?
Speaker 2: Murphy?
Speaker 1: It's always a movie that like I forget, which is bad.
Not the movie bad, I just it's bad that I
forget it. Where is it? And I almost have it there?
It is terms of endearment? Okay, So that's why not
a movie?
Speaker 2: I go back to the shape of water like title,
it's forgettable.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but so his son it's strange always on
the smell.
Speaker 2: Too, because that's his son is the main guy in
Ray Nicholson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a weird, like if you were to say,
like draw Jack Nicholson from memory, because sometimes he looks
very much like his father, but then.
Speaker 2: Other times I didn't notice it at all.
Speaker 1: To be honest, it's when he has his hair pulled
back and when he smiles, he looks like Jack. I
think the throw off though, is that he doesn't sound
like his dad at all. So I'm just gonna maybe
this is pure just like have.
Speaker 2: You seen him acting and yet smile to you.
Speaker 1: We had a small role, small role he's an abusive boyfriend,
which he was a good ad, but like it's like
just a small role. But so this is like me
like bringing like Nettle.
Speaker 2: Being typecast as the abusive boyfriend.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, so this is somewhere I'm bringing
nepotism as a fan and I'm just hoping. But uh,
I still like tres is calling him an industry plant.
I'm not saying that, but sometimes it happens. That can
happen and Jack Nicholson's your dad. I'm sure it's opened
up a lot of doors, but what you know what
you still have to do though, you still got to
have the hood spot like that go through.
Speaker 2: I listened to an interview with Quality lately and she's
just I've never seen an interview before and she's just
so delightful and fun and just seems like the best
person ever. And it was so cool in that interview
she was talking about like, yeah, you know what, a
lot of the opportunities I got NEPO baby stuff. But
then she backs it up by being a badass actor too.
So I don't know what that is really related, but
just shows to and I'm.
Speaker 1: Not trying to like this sounds mean. Colin Hanks, I
like the guy. He seems like a good enough actor,
but like you don't see him in a bunch of
stuff nowadays, right Like he's here and around his you
can make his argument that his dad's one of the
greatest actors all the time, two time Academy Award winner,
And that's where it's like, I think Colin Hanks is
a good actor, but he was not his dad. And
that's where it's like, if you don't you.
Speaker 2: Say that because I saw him in two movies recently,
but they're both it's Tenacious D and King Kong, which
are you know, old old movies.
Speaker 1: At this point, how big is his role in Tenacious D.
Speaker 2: He might have been cut from the final thing actually seen,
it's like he's like a he's like a frat bro,
like throws a can at at Kyle's head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we'll see. This is a movie though,
could easily be like a two out of five on
letter box. Like I had those type of vibes. I'm
pretty sure some are we things like husband is like
writing and or directing it, which can be a good
or bad thing because sometimes you work well with each
other and sometimes it doesn't. So we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it gave me Woman of the Hour vibes, only
in the sense that you know, Woman of the Hour,
Kendrick and Autumn best really great, but the male guy
like kind of let me down and kind of made
the whole thing kind of come down and cality, And
that's kind of the vibe I was getting here with
this one. Was I wasn't loving mister Nicholson's situation that
he had going on here.
Speaker 1: Dang well, I to see. The thing that worried me
was I was more happy, like I guess because the
pitch is that he's kidnapped and they're gonna get married,
so you need all these people. But I got less
interested when I met the other people because they felt very,
very over the top, like there's that girl that has
like a present with her and she's blood on her,
and there's some like of course, big lurching dude, So
I don't know, and then there's only one trail that
we have talked about, so I don't know if that's
a good thing or bad thing for you. The surfer
of me.
Speaker 2: Well, also, I saw that on the Patreon you had
a fear street and then you didn't put that in
the notes to me.
Speaker 1: I did. I took it off. I took it off
after I saw it. I'm like, I just don't need
to make don't watch this because it was it was
literally just a day announcement. But I'm excited for more.
First treet, I liked those first three.
Speaker 2: So yeah, me too. I mean, you know, once again
they're kind of going down, like, hey, what are some
tropes that have been done before? But like we're gonna
spice it up and make it fun and so they're
doing it again, which, yeah, say for that, but the surfer,
you know, save the best for last. Potentially. I think
this is a really great trailer. I think this movie
looks like super duper fun. I mean, I think Nick Cage,
I mean, this guy's always doing like seventeen projects a year,
so it's hard to keep track, but I feel like
he's on a run that I'm really enjoying right now.
He's doing some good projects a year now, you know, yeah, yeah,
but I think this looks so fun, like everyone just
kind of constantly gawking at him or like making fun
of him or like terrorizing him. But then like it's creepy,
and then like some of the cinematography is like wild
and interesting and I'm I'm very intrigued. I also love
just how silly the concept is, Like he just goes
surfing again, realize he loves it, and buys a beach
house to go surfing again, and then like people are
mad at him about that. Then it seems like it's
gonna get existential or trippy at moments, like what's not
to love? It looks fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just trying to see what else this uh
lorc and Finn again, what else if he's directed anything
or if he's a newer director. Twelve things he's directed,
but I think they're they're short, so they almost look
like some Florence so nothing real, like he directed like
a segment on Nightmare Radio. Don't know what that is,
but there you go. So yeah, so getting his baby
first crack here. Yeah, this is awestly because like I
like Nick Cage and it was funny, like I talked about,
like he's doing good stuff now. I like, I think
it was last year and Long Lengths came out. He
did an interview and he talked about like all those
straight to DVD stuff he did, and he was just
honest that he said, like he was in a lot
of debt and he didn't get to choose, but he
like like he chose, Like he wasn't choosing. He was
just like what can I do to like make a
bunch Because this is a guy. At one point, I'm
pretty sure he owned an island and I'm sure in
the nineties he was rolling in it like again another
guy people forget he went Oscar. I'm sure in the
nineties he was like one of the biggest stars, and
you know you might make a couple bad purchases. So
I liked It's like, hey, back then, I couldn't really pick.
I just did to take whatever I could get the money.
But I feel like maybe a little bit before then,
but ever since, Uh god, what's the movie he did
with Pedro? I'm awful today with.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, I'm on the spot.
Speaker 1: It's like something something the talentless or the incredible talents.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like the unbearable weight of massive talent. Okay, yeah,
let the record be known.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like ever since then, which is kind
of a funny starting point because I was kind of
making fun of Nick Cage as like a person. Since then,
it's been great and this and that looks very fun.
I this is on my radar for a different reason though,
because the guy that's like the main he looks like
the antagonist. The guy has like the red hoodie on
all the time. I've talked about this many times. Show.
I absolutely love the TV show Niptok from the two
thousands and the show but plastic Surgery and oh fuck, I
forgot we talked to about him. He was he's doctor Doom.
Remember that's the Doctor Doom actor from the original Fantastic Four.
So he's in here. And the thing I told you
guys I kept because I feel like you guys all
thought out was lie. I'm like Julie Man like can
be a great actor. This is a guy who was
like the same time Daniel Craig was auditioning for Bond,
he was too, like he can have the goods. I
think he just made some had asient calls or his
agent made some bad calls on projects, but like he
has the hoods pun he looked very fun. And what
I love about this is like he looks like he's
an antagonist. But it looks like they're gonna go through
a big journey of like trust and not trust, because
it did look like he was like they never turned
it to like and now I'm gonna try and kill him,
Like it never got to that level. It just always
looked like they were at each other's next but in
like a real life situation. At the end, it looks like, Okay,
we might get a little crazy with some drugs or
whatever Nick Cage is doing by this fire pit, but yeah,
I can't wait it comes out, man, I don't know
if I'll see this in theaters off the way to
word them out, but it's definitely gonna be seeing it,
and I cannot I cannot wait, and I'm hopefully I
hope it comes up with like maybe Golden Keeks or something.
Also looks like a movie could be incredibly like disappointing,
but it did the festival run and got some some
good word of mouth. But yeah, it's feeding my Julia
mcmahonisms because like same thing like the past few years,
he was like an FBI, which is like a CBS
like NCIS show. It's like I can't watch this, Like
it's always like he's doing stuff like that where it's
like I can't watch you in FBI, like I love you,
Julia McMahon, but like do something else and he just
looks good. So I'm hoping this is like, uh, something
might seem kind of like Eric Dane when he did
Euphoria and now he's like in this and that it's
like oh yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, what trailer was Eric Dane was? It? Was
it the one of samr Weaving.
Speaker 1: It is he's heard security detail that like loser, so
he's trying to find her. So that sold me too.
I was like, Oh, Eric Dane, he's like the supporting
tough guy. That's great. So the same thing since Euphoria
he had a little run, So I'm hoping this is that.
But see, I'm sure we'll talk about it because it's
Nick Cage. Taylor usually sees those and like I said,
maybe we'll talk about next year. Maybe I would you know,
the satisfaction I get to have Julia McMahon the Golden
Geek's best villain, just as it would.
Speaker 2: Be so fun. That would be a great full circle kind.
Speaker 1: Do I think it's gonna happen? No, I don't, but
I'm hoping the movie is so uneniable that you know,
could happen.
Speaker 2: But uh, I mean the competition's fears this year. We
got Alex Luthor out there, Galactus, sper surfers. There's a
lot of villains this year, right, we do have those?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who knows, but uh, Waltley's gentlemen. That's it. We
did Dylan anything else say if we're out here?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. That was a great, great episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back together on Monday. At side quest. I
should put this the beginning for the Gimmicks back we'll
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