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Speaker 1: case I didn't repeat it enough, repete, how was your week?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get the Weeni dogs, but tell everybody
Speaker 1: how you weak was.
Speaker 2: Oh, we's been pretty good.
Speaker 3: We finally after that onslaught of rain all last week,
Speaker 3: we finally gotten into some decent weather.
Speaker 2: It's been in the eighties. It's been hot, it's not
Speaker 2: being humid, and.
Speaker 3: We're finally getting to dry out on the job site,
Speaker 3: so I think you can get a little bit easier.
Speaker 2: But other than that, it's it's been a very good week.
Speaker 3: Not a well productive week, kind of cleaning up the
Speaker 3: mess of the storm, but I mean, other than that,
Speaker 3: it's been pretty good. While you're chicking on dogs, we
Speaker 3: got a few headlines wined up here to night. Some
Speaker 3: of them have found quite fascinating concerning the government and
Speaker 3: some of the things.
Speaker 2: That they've been doing here lately r being called question.
Speaker 3: And we seem to have a sudden onslaught of information
Speaker 3: coming out from different government agencies concerning the bidens. Now
Speaker 3: that Joe supposedly has stepped down, because I'm wondering if
Speaker 3: he'll wander into the DNC convention and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: start acting like a president won't have to wait and see.
Speaker 3: I think he's been given a Monday night speech slot, which.
Speaker 2: In you know, opening night ceremonies.
Speaker 3: I guess it's a good location for him to start,
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, some presidents didn't even I don't.
Speaker 2: Think Bush was.
Speaker 3: Bush gave a speech at the r N c rallies.
Speaker 2: After he was on, he was lane duck and on
Speaker 2: his way out.
Speaker 1: Well, much like a concert, Yeah, much like a concert.
Speaker 1: Don't know, you put your headline act on like last.
Speaker 1: I mean, isn't that what you do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, your headline is always last. But see that's the problem.
Speaker 3: You know, their headline is now Kamala and Joe's got
Speaker 3: to sit back, you know, behind the curtains and wonder
Speaker 3: when he gets his oatmeal next, or is.
Speaker 2: It time for a nap? I guess you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of funny.
Speaker 3: What I find fascinating is how some of the mainstream
Speaker 3: media and these government agencies.
Speaker 2: To give an example, the.
Speaker 3: Department of Justice suddenly just found the transcripts from Biden's what.
Speaker 2: Biographer I guess you would call.
Speaker 3: Him, where it was called into question that Biden had
Speaker 3: possibly been sharing top secret information with his writer. Now
Speaker 3: that you know, now that Biden's not running again, suddenly
Speaker 3: the transcript scripts appear.
Speaker 2: Isn't that amazing How they couldn't find them for what
Speaker 2: the year?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well just like the timing when what was it Petraeus?
Speaker 1: You know, they couldn't find stuff for a while until
Speaker 1: he resigned and actually stepped away. Then they had other
Speaker 1: stuff on him with the giving away secrets to his girlfriend, right,
Speaker 1: and he was the head of the CIA at the time,
Speaker 1: and he had been part of the surge and all that,
Speaker 1: And I mean, is this not typical though? Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: now it's not politically a problem, so we can kind
Speaker 1: of discover things now, No.
Speaker 3: Isn't amazing amazing, And you've got the media somehow.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out if they're pleased with this.
Speaker 3: Method that they used to put kamal At ahead of
Speaker 3: the ticket, because they're coming out against Tim Walls for
Speaker 3: a choice for VP and basically slamming on him from
Speaker 3: day one. There's a headline here CNN admits that Tim
Speaker 3: Walls repeatedly lied about his drunk driving arrest. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: kind of strange, come right out of gate with stuff
Speaker 3: like this. Well, I wonder what's happened to CNN. Are
Speaker 3: they trying to get back some kind of respectability or something.
Speaker 1: I told you this a couple of months ago, and
Speaker 1: I told a couple other people. They went, now, you
Speaker 1: full of crap. They're liberals, And remember and I said, no,
Speaker 1: CNN's getting you got to watch something's happening over there,
Speaker 1: and it's been going on for a couple of months now.
Speaker 1: If you go and review a few things, it's not
Speaker 1: always fight. Yeah, well there's that. Yeah, well there's that.
Speaker 1: But I mean there they should be experiencing a surge
Speaker 1: and mean, you know in uh what he called listenership viewers, right,
Speaker 1: because this is the time, this is the surge for
Speaker 1: the selection and not just the selection itself, but all
Speaker 1: the drama afterwards, all the drama during uh you know,
Speaker 1: this DNC week should be big for them, right because
Speaker 1: people are tense thinking things are going to go on. Uh,
Speaker 1: is there going to be you know, some other thing?
Speaker 1: Could there be an assassination attempt against Biden? What about
Speaker 1: the security for him?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying it's real stuff. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is that they have all that programming opportunity. Right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the Secret Service, and now they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to protect the actual president instead of just the
Speaker 1: candidate to a shot out.
Speaker 3: And if I think back after well, think back to
Speaker 3: January sixth, before Biden got shorn in and you had
Speaker 3: a pipe bomb at the DNC that supposedly was set
Speaker 3: the night before, which has been recently called in the question.
Speaker 3: But she had Kamala Harris at the DNC on January sixth,
Speaker 3: and they find this pipe bomb. How many times in
Speaker 3: the past three and a half years have you heard
Speaker 3: reference to it on the mainstream media? How much investigation
Speaker 3: have they done, especially here lately, We've seen some stuff
Speaker 3: come out and some of the pundits here on YouTube
Speaker 3: and then are running on this information that they've gotten.
Speaker 3: They have found other angles of camera footage and it
Speaker 3: doesn't show what the government's claiming happened.
Speaker 2: Happened.
Speaker 3: So now, but you know, you think about it, Here's
Speaker 3: what is a politician like to play up, you know,
Speaker 3: a near death experience. We had Hillary with her what
Speaker 3: airplane trip into Bosnia taking fire? Brian Williams and his
Speaker 3: famous taking fire while in flight which ended his career.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just funny. Everybody's got that.
Speaker 3: You've not heard Kamala Harris say one thing in the
Speaker 3: past three and a half years about being, you know,
Speaker 3: one hundred feet away from a pipe bomb or less.
Speaker 1: Kamala didn't say much. See Kamla, this is okay, this
Speaker 1: works against my own It's all pre planned, you know,
Speaker 1: theorem all right, which is that they did.
Speaker 2: Huh, I said, let me mark my calendar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, market calendar. Because here it is. They didn't plan
Speaker 1: on pushing her forward. That was not part of the plan. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the plan was at this point
Speaker 1: because I'm a little confused. See I'm working against myself twice.
Speaker 3: You honestly think it wasn't part of the original plan
Speaker 3: because the money connection. I mean that money, that three million,
Speaker 3: three hundred million or whatever they had in the bank
Speaker 3: for Biden couldn't go to anybody else without some kind
Speaker 3: of maneuvering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then Kamaal because she was on the ticket.
Speaker 3: So I can't believe these guys didn't think about the
Speaker 3: money first thing.
Speaker 1: No, the money, Look, the money's always got the offloading possibilities.
Speaker 1: That's not the key here. The key is that she
Speaker 1: was not meant to be out there. They didn't even
Speaker 1: you know, do the prerequisite work to make her a figure.
Speaker 1: She basically disappeared. I mean, at first, he goes, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put her in charge of the border. He
Speaker 1: did say that, and then she did nothing right, and
Speaker 1: then you know, basically that's all. It was nothing. You know,
Speaker 1: every once in a while she come out and go, well,
Speaker 1: I believe in Joe Biden, and that was it. And
Speaker 1: then she made you know, the ancillary campaign stops where
Speaker 1: they couldn't haul Joe into there, and that was it.
Speaker 1: She wasn't doing anything to position herself as I'm ready
Speaker 1: to take on this job, not even in a fakes
Speaker 1: or a superficial way. So I don't think she was
Speaker 1: even meant to be primed and ready to go. They
Speaker 1: had enough. Here's the thing that's missing from the equation.
Speaker 1: They had another plan in mind here. Now. I thought
Speaker 1: they were gonna run Joe through at least one more time,
Speaker 1: you know, and and prop them up and weekend to
Speaker 1: Bernie's their way through this selection. Uh. But but I
Speaker 1: was wrong about that because somebody intentionally, I mean, because
Speaker 1: you'd have to be a fool not to know he's
Speaker 1: gonna implode on live TV during that debate. I mean,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it was coming up when it did,
Speaker 1: because it was like, how does anybody think he's gonna
Speaker 1: make it through that even on his best day. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna work his best day, Trump's worst day.
Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna look better on that stage Trump,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if what he says makes sense or
Speaker 1: anything else, because.
Speaker 3: It'll just hurt any referenced to who actually told him
Speaker 3: to go out there and challenge Trump to a debate
Speaker 3: that because yeah, big his big advisor was Anita Dunn.
Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, didn't she leave shortly after he
Speaker 2: announced he wasn't a good run. She left.
Speaker 3: She's off doing something else now, or something connected to
Speaker 3: the Kamala campaign.
Speaker 2: But do you think it was her?
Speaker 3: Obama said, look, let's put him out there so that
Speaker 3: we now we don't have to we don't have to
Speaker 3: worry about an excuse.
Speaker 2: No, as everybody sees him, they know he's gone.
Speaker 1: No, somebody on the okay, it's not somebody that's that
Speaker 1: close to the surface, because they would have had to say, look,
Speaker 1: we're ready to, you know, cut him loose. So what
Speaker 1: we'll do is we'll cut him loose, and here's plan B.
Speaker 1: But Plan B was never indicated publicly, so I don't
Speaker 1: know what the backup was. But I do not believe
Speaker 1: for a second it was Kamala because it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense. They did no prep work there. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, nobody was ready for this, and then
Speaker 1: they went, oh, look at how exciting it is because
Speaker 1: of all the backlash, all the pushback. I mean even
Speaker 1: they're normal, you know, cheerleaders in the MSM. We're sitting
Speaker 1: there going, I gotta admit, you know, he ain't good.
Speaker 1: This is not work, and and that was intentionally done.
Speaker 1: There is no way that somebody did not know. Look,
Speaker 1: this is gonna implode right there in public. It's going
Speaker 1: to be a public spectacle. People are gonna know without
Speaker 1: a doubt. There's gonna be no argument. There's gonna be
Speaker 1: no oh agism or you're just picking on our old guy.
Speaker 1: You got an old guy too. None of that is
Speaker 1: gonna work.
Speaker 3: But do you think the order was you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: the order to do this was given by somebody, a
Speaker 3: couple of layers back. But you think they just filtered
Speaker 3: the word through Obama and Anita donn and said, look,
Speaker 3: you guys, convince him to do a debate and it
Speaker 3: will handle itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the setup. But where is the backup? Like,
Speaker 1: there's no hey, look, don't worry about it. See that
Speaker 1: was the weird thing about it. There was like this
Speaker 1: panicub what do we do now. I mean, and realistically
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny to worse.
Speaker 3: You think it would have been worse for them to
Speaker 3: go into an open convention, Yeah, fight out who was
Speaker 3: going to be the nominee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they would have had to expose again, you know,
Speaker 1: having a kneecap somebody like Bernie Sanders, because you know,
Speaker 1: somebody might have legitimately risen as a choice, like, hey,
Speaker 1: look all right, we're not going to go with Biden.
Speaker 1: We got a guy that we actually kind of like,
Speaker 1: and people might have actually gotten involved, made their voice
Speaker 1: heard for a minute, right, and said, hey, look we
Speaker 1: got this guy. Let's just say theoretically, and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying this would happen because I think Sanders learned his lesson,
Speaker 1: but theoretically they would have said, look, let's put Bernie
Speaker 1: back in there, and there might have been enough support
Speaker 1: to drive it.
Speaker 2: Let's just say, you think Bernie.
Speaker 3: Don't you think Bernie would have been like going to
Speaker 3: an extreme. I couldn't find somebody, you know, not quite
Speaker 3: as socialist as Bernie and certainly not as communist as Kamala.
Speaker 1: Well, but that's the key here, is that it would
Speaker 1: have worked with the people it doesn't matter that it
Speaker 1: makes sense. The people would have said, you know what,
Speaker 1: we like him, you know what I'm saying, Maybe they
Speaker 1: can balance out the ticket with somebody who's a little
Speaker 1: more you know, mainstream, right, that kind of thing. And
Speaker 1: it's so it's too funny too, because both vice presidential
Speaker 1: candidates are pretty much not I mean, outside of the
Speaker 1: Fox usual, which is no, no, hey, look, Vance is great.
Speaker 1: This is just Democrats were attacking us. But the truth
Speaker 1: is even objective newspeople are like, neither one of these
Speaker 1: vat peak candidates are good. So they've taken that off
Speaker 1: the table as to whether even the VP is a
Speaker 1: discussion here all right, when you got less solid looking
Speaker 1: personality than Mike Pence, a dvance there, you know, and
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: I think's problem is there is not a lot of
Speaker 3: people knew Lovenim and those that did knew that originally
Speaker 3: was not for Trump. I think that was the biggest
Speaker 3: hang up on Jamie Vance.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But if Trump could get over it. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: if Trump could get over it and deal with the loyalty,
Speaker 1: I'm certain his people could. Anyway, the funny.
Speaker 2: Trump victory being able to win him over to his side.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was against the beginning, but he finally
Speaker 3: came around and learned it.
Speaker 2: You know, you know his lesson.
Speaker 1: Well, right, I mean, come on, everybody from Jeff Sessions
Speaker 1: on down right, even the dance that Chris Christy did
Speaker 1: for a minute. Right, Eventually he's like, look, d it
Speaker 1: all shakes out. We see who's really loyal eventually, right,
Speaker 1: and who's disloyal eventually, And that's the way it goes.
Speaker 1: So he's pleased with Yeah, I won them to my side.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's not even the point. The point is this,
Speaker 1: These VP candidates are a non factor so far, and
Speaker 1: it's just these two now they're selling this. Oh look
Speaker 1: at the enthusiasm for Kamala Kamala that even if it
Speaker 1: was legit is not going to last. Okay, it can't last,
Speaker 1: not even from their side. Forget about the arguments against.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's already started to subside even before the start
Speaker 3: of the convention on Monday.
Speaker 1: But that's what I said.
Speaker 3: Anybody was hoping that the momentum would carry through, but
Speaker 3: it's yeah, that's going to short lived experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's exactly what I said. What happened the
Speaker 1: day that it dropped, and I was seeing people online
Speaker 1: and even hearing from people, Oh that's it. Trump's toast.
Speaker 1: Now you're sure he's going to win, now, Chuck and
Speaker 1: I went yeah, because the enthusiasm is going to dry
Speaker 1: up faster than that change was made. It's going to
Speaker 1: be gone.
Speaker 3: But not only that, her problem is right now, you know,
Speaker 3: starting day one, the minute Biden announced what he was
Speaker 3: going to do, you've had the majority of mainstream media
Speaker 3: suddenly go into separation mode. We've got to separate Kamala
Speaker 3: from Biden. So anything that's gone up till now we
Speaker 3: can blame on Biden and we can start on a
Speaker 3: clean slate with Kamala.
Speaker 2: And that's basically what they've tried to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, along that one.
Speaker 3: Side, you got the right hand side is referring to
Speaker 3: the Biden administration now as the Biden Harris administration, which
Speaker 3: you know they're going to do. And then you've got
Speaker 3: her side that you know, with the help of the
Speaker 3: media blackboard that they've got, you know, putting the shout
Speaker 3: out there, Oh no, we've got somebody new here, Coamo.
Speaker 3: And she wasn't a part of that. She was busy
Speaker 3: over here doing nothing on this right, right.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter. Look, it's welcome to the brand
Speaker 1: new energy, because look here, here's new energy. Look at
Speaker 1: how young she is compared to what was in the
Speaker 1: race before. Blah blah blah. But I'm telling you that
Speaker 1: enthusiasm was so fake, so ridiculous that I was like
Speaker 1: looking at it, going, this shouldn't even really last the
Speaker 1: weekend in reality. Now they're going to keep playing it
Speaker 1: like it's lasting. But the truth is people are going
Speaker 1: to wake up from their little you know, it's like
Speaker 1: the buzz, right. I did the thing with the drinking.
Speaker 1: You didn't like it last week where I said, you know,
Speaker 1: you do too much drink and you wake up with somebody,
Speaker 1: but you don't even get through the night, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, you took a nap and now you
Speaker 1: sobered up a little and you go, uh oh uh h.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have taken this person home. Oops. And I
Speaker 1: think that's as far as we're getting in his dance
Speaker 1: and she is, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: Well if you think about but think about how she
Speaker 3: got where she's at. I mean the minute that that
Speaker 3: you know, they slid biden in.
Speaker 2: After what was it.
Speaker 3: I forget what the event was that happened, and they figure, okay,
Speaker 3: we need somebody else. This is was Bernie. Bernie was
Speaker 3: doing so well, and then you know, they had to
Speaker 3: bring Biden in.
Speaker 2: They had to.
Speaker 3: They had to go back to the core old Democrat
Speaker 3: party and say, all right, to donors, here's the choice.
Speaker 2: We're either going to go with Biden or you're gonna
Speaker 2: to deal with Bernie. So what you want? So they
Speaker 2: stick Biden in there.
Speaker 3: He gets a big clap on the back from Clydeburne
Speaker 3: down to South Carolina in the early primaries, and then
Speaker 3: he took off and it didn't.
Speaker 2: Matter what happened after that. Biden was the guy.
Speaker 3: Well he said right off the bat, just like he
Speaker 3: did with his Supreme Court pick.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to pick a woman of color.
Speaker 3: So everybody starts looking at at Kamala And she didn't
Speaker 3: even make it to the first she didn't make it
Speaker 3: to the Iowa caucus before she dropped out, so they
Speaker 3: didn't vet her. Then she was a DEI higher And
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people on the left go
Speaker 3: crazy when you use that term, but that's exactly what
Speaker 3: she was. And Joe Biden said as much. I'm going
Speaker 3: to find me a woman of color, the same thing
Speaker 3: he did with Jackson when he appointed her to the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court, is going to be a woman of color. Well,
Speaker 3: you just excluded what you know, seventy five percent of
Speaker 3: the people in the industry when you cut out males,
Speaker 3: and now you're specifically going for about two percent of
Speaker 3: the population with a woman of color. And that's how
Speaker 3: she got where she's at. She's never really been vetted
Speaker 3: on anything, you know. And it's funny when you hear
Speaker 3: give her speeches now, she always refers goes all the
Speaker 3: way back to when she was a prosecutor. You know,
Speaker 3: she was a senator before she became vice president. She
Speaker 3: doesn't rely on that experience. No, she's going to go
Speaker 3: back and put on her prosecutor badge. And that's how
Speaker 3: she's going to govern the country like a prosecutor that
Speaker 3: ain't communist.
Speaker 2: I don't know what they hell are.
Speaker 1: Well, I want no part of it. I don't care
Speaker 1: what label you slap on it. I don't want a
Speaker 1: prosecutor at the head of anything. I really don't. Look.
Speaker 1: If they got to do their job, they got to
Speaker 1: do their job. But I I Look, how often am
Speaker 1: I going to complain about the corruption of the court
Speaker 1: systems and how perverted the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the first thing out of the gate, she
Speaker 3: starts talking about price controls. Remember the last time we
Speaker 3: had big price controls in place?
Speaker 2: When was?
Speaker 3: It was forty years ago under Carter and they were
Speaker 3: trying to get inflation under control, and they could, well,
Speaker 3: they're daily learn anything.
Speaker 1: Back then, they're daily price control.
Speaker 3: Four years later going to the exact same thing, I
Speaker 3: interest rates, trying to get it down, trying to get
Speaker 3: small businesses back in business, and they come right out
Speaker 3: the door with a policy that is going to kill business.
Speaker 1: Their daily price controls on plenty of things. Some of
Speaker 1: them are a little less visible than others. But look,
Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take a break.
Speaker 1: I know we got one caller on the line so far,
Speaker 1: but I am telling you now, we don't have to
Speaker 1: devote this to the presidential selection tonight. We can talk
Speaker 1: about anything. I have a Asbury Park Press story because
Speaker 1: I always look at Jersey and apparently in the town
Speaker 1: where I was born, Long Branch, on the fifteenth, they
Speaker 1: found a twenty nine year old woman dead. This is
Speaker 1: a crazy story at a long branch New Jersey. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'll get into that, Maybe we'll get into the Matthew
Speaker 1: Perry thing that's going on in the courts. I don't
Speaker 1: know if people really care about that, the whole ketamine deal.
Speaker 1: He was getting ketemine therapy, then he went to the
Speaker 1: street to get it. Then he's dead, and people.
Speaker 3: Out interesting facts have come out about that one already.
Speaker 2: Well what they milked him.
Speaker 3: For like fifty five thousand dollars in about what two
Speaker 3: months time?
Speaker 2: Well, amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of weirdness going on there. And again,
Speaker 1: you know, our wonderful court systems are they going to
Speaker 1: reveal the truth or get to the bottom of things,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's Matthew Perry or it's your speeding ticket,
Speaker 1: good luck anyway, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Let's go on that note. Later on, we're going to
Speaker 2: discuss this.
Speaker 3: The US Fifth circ At Court has described something the
Speaker 3: government has been doing as categorically unconstitutional, and we'll get
Speaker 3: to that later.
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's a good one. Categorically unconstitutional. We only
Speaker 1: have two hours, bepete, I mean just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: so a lot to cover there.
Speaker 3: This is going to affect a lot of people, and
Speaker 3: you're gonna hear more about it here very soon, because
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't realize that this goes on
Speaker 3: every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and.
Speaker 2: Even in the smallest of communities.
Speaker 1: The point is a lot goes on a lot every
Speaker 1: day that ends up being unconstitutional, undemocratic, unfair, unreasonable and
Speaker 1: on all kinds of things. We got lots of onions
Speaker 1: for you. And plus there's a supermoon coming up, and
Speaker 1: who knows how that's going to affect people? You know,
Speaker 1: I bet you know ninety percent of our audience thinks
Speaker 1: that when a full moon is happening and people are affected.
Speaker 1: I wonder how true that is. Maybe we'll get into
Speaker 1: that during tonight's discussion and anything you want to bring up.
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Speaker 1: At okay so back to live on a Friday and
Speaker 1: you can join us three one nine five two seven
Speaker 1: five zero one six. I really want to hear from
Speaker 1: you guys, your opinions. What caught your eye this week?
Speaker 1: What is of interest to you? Is it all about
Speaker 1: the presidential selection? Is that all we're gonna talk about?
Speaker 1: For the next three months. I don't know, let's see,
Speaker 1: it's up to you for sure. I do want to
Speaker 1: at some point get to an update on Lancer because
Speaker 1: seems to me, like I don't know, maybe maybe not
Speaker 1: not as many people are interested in going this year
Speaker 1: as last, but I would love to see you guys there.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there, and it's gonna be an interesting time.
Speaker 1: So you know, the stuff going on around the convention,
Speaker 1: the conference is gonna be the key really, but even
Speaker 1: the presenters. It's gonna be an interesting time, man, And
Speaker 1: we're gonna be there, you know, as it happened right
Speaker 1: on the twenty second and all that. So when we
Speaker 1: do the moment of silence over there on the NOLL,
Speaker 1: which I plan to participate in, and frankly I never
Speaker 1: have before, so you know, I'm gonna do that. It's
Speaker 1: going to be the first time for me. It ought
Speaker 1: to be interesting. We're going to do it at the
Speaker 1: time of day, on the day on the twenty second
Speaker 1: that it happened. So anyway, there's that, and who knows
Speaker 1: what else will be planned, And there's I hear tell
Speaker 1: a rumor of a possible little excursion bus. Maybe that
Speaker 1: might be procured and could be a little group trips
Speaker 1: here and there, people chip in on the gas or whatever,
Speaker 1: and there could be some interesting adventures awaiting us. Anyways.
Speaker 1: So but that's Dallas, Texas on the twenty second November
Speaker 1: to the twenty fourth this year. It is not the
Speaker 1: conference that starts on Thursday, which is being run by
Speaker 1: a group that has an innocuous name and involves Judy Baker.
Speaker 1: It is the not Judy Conference. Okay, So anyway, I.
Speaker 3: Would say that would be part of the bus trip
Speaker 3: is go by her place and everybody go in crash it,
Speaker 3: go walking through her little you know, present, and get
Speaker 3: back on the bus.
Speaker 2: Be peat, I fells, be Pete.
Speaker 1: I don't want to laugh to it.
Speaker 2: Where one conference hickles another.
Speaker 1: Conference, you know what, It happens every year, though it
Speaker 1: does happen. It has been happening ever since there was
Speaker 1: the Lancer and Copa conferences going on, so you know
Speaker 1: it every year ever since Esque broke up, right, the
Speaker 1: Esque conference, which was sort of like a catch all,
Speaker 1: there was one conference at one point, it just wasn't big.
Speaker 1: They didn't have you know, the big hotel booked and
Speaker 1: all that. Exactly the same, but it was pretty good.
Speaker 1: They ask conferences. Anyway, there's all that happening, and I
Speaker 1: really if you get a chance to be a part
Speaker 1: of it, you out there or if you're in the Dallas,
Speaker 1: Texas area. Uh, you know, there's all kinds of possibilities,
Speaker 1: all sorts stuff up in the air. I don't know
Speaker 1: all what's gonna happen, but anyway, I've had a rough week.
Speaker 1: I've been sick all week, canceled shows, couldn't do them.
Speaker 1: I was going to do a show with Swanson last
Speaker 1: night and uh, and I called him up and I
Speaker 1: was ready. I thought maybe and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't sound good, And he decided to do next
Speaker 1: week with me. And he's got some interesting stuff he's
Speaker 1: going to lay out. We're going to go into some
Speaker 1: financial issues and news because that's happening to be Pete.
Speaker 1: While this is all going on. Uh, you know, the
Speaker 1: market had its interesting bounces, didn't it is is everybody's
Speaker 1: economy still sucking for them, although they're telling us it's
Speaker 1: getting better. Is that happening? I think?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Anyway, enough out of me, definitely, and uh, frankly bepeat
Speaker 1: enough out of us for now. Let's get to the
Speaker 1: callers and see what they got on their mind first
Speaker 1: and foremost, and again you can join us at three
Speaker 1: one nine, five, two seven, five zero one six and uh, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going with this. And I thought I had my
Speaker 1: timing perfect and everything, and the button stuck. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I think I got Jimmy James on the line.
Speaker 2: Yes, she do.
Speaker 1: There you go. It's working, Jimmy, And I'm not throwing up.
Speaker 1: So look, plus plus column, how you doing tonight?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 4: I'm good?
Speaker 8: Christain is the next day on.
Speaker 1: I believe he may be. Let me see, it looks
Speaker 1: like he might be. Yeah, you know why he doesn't.
Speaker 1: His name doesn't come up on the board here.
Speaker 8: Well, you might as well let him and open it up,
Speaker 8: because he's the only one that seems to listen to
Speaker 8: what I say anyway, And he's the only one who
Speaker 8: seems to be keep it up with my water keep Chris.
Speaker 1: Okay, he's the uh you know, he's a little more
Speaker 1: liberal though, Jimmy, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 8: We're not talking about politics. You don't seem to get it.
Speaker 8: This is something that happened fifty years ago.
Speaker 4: Oh I do get It's true.
Speaker 1: I do get it. It was one of the first
Speaker 1: things I ever read about in the newspaper. I knew
Speaker 1: about it, and it was politics back then. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I think this is Danny. I think this is Danny
Speaker 1: on the line, Danny.
Speaker 4: Where you got the wrong Danny.
Speaker 1: But yeah, crap, I'm sorry, it's actually Harlan. All right, Harlan.
Speaker 2: Let me you know, Harland listens to Jimmy.
Speaker 1: Now, now, Jimmy, do you want Do you want Harlan
Speaker 1: on the line or do you want me to put
Speaker 1: him back on hold? It's your time. I'll give you
Speaker 1: the choice.
Speaker 12: Well, as far.
Speaker 8: As I know, Harlan, that seemed very interested in my
Speaker 8: water gate thoughts, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: Let's ask me as well.
Speaker 8: Just put him on for a minute and I'll just
Speaker 8: get through what my new is off on the water gate.
Speaker 1: All right, Harlan, Harlan, you're absolutely up next, okay, So
Speaker 1: let me put you back on hold and I'll get
Speaker 1: you as fast as I can. Jimmy, go for your
Speaker 1: watergate go ahead.
Speaker 2: Real well.
Speaker 8: For who who may concern, I would think everyone that
Speaker 8: no nobody cares. That's fine, I do care, well, I
Speaker 8: do you. I don't think anybody seems to see exactly
Speaker 8: the Uh, well, anyways, what is what is.
Speaker 1: The ultimate thing you're after here, Jimmy, What what is
Speaker 1: it that you would like exposed or acknowledged here regarding
Speaker 1: Watergate that has been previously covered up? What is the
Speaker 1: what is the big headline you want the world to get, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: James is gonna impress a fact about Watergate onto people
Speaker 1: in this world right now? What is the one thing
Speaker 1: you want that headline to say?
Speaker 8: Okay, well, here's my newest little discovery on that now.
Speaker 8: John O'Connor, who's one of the top Watergate history guys,
Speaker 8: I'm certainly not. That's not mine. I don't even pretend
Speaker 8: to be an expert Watergate. However, I do happen to
Speaker 8: know a lot of the characters have evolved because a
Speaker 8: lot of them mirror. The characters have evolved the JFK.
Speaker 8: Don't they chuck a lot of.
Speaker 1: The mirror or pop back up or are associated too? Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 8: Yeah. And of course, John O'Connor, Jeff Shepherd, the former
Speaker 8: investigators have all come to the conclusion that the CIA
Speaker 8: was responsible.
Speaker 3: For them.
Speaker 8: The smoking God was the fact that James McCord was involved.
Speaker 8: If James McCord was involved, the CIA was involved, and
Speaker 8: therefore Richard Helmes was involved. And I'm telling you it
Speaker 8: is not true really based on my little research. Well,
Speaker 8: John O'Connor flat out has come up and they all
Speaker 8: agree pretty much. Everyone says that we are Pennington, whoever
Speaker 8: he is, was mister McCord's.
Speaker 2: Handler, handlers.
Speaker 8: And as mister O'Connor puts it, well, since Pennington was
Speaker 8: McCord's handler, and obviously he says Pennington was CIA, this
Speaker 8: is a CIA thing. Well, it didn't take me very long.
Speaker 8: This is the problem with everyone in their little historical communities.
Speaker 8: They simply don't see what else is going on. It
Speaker 8: didn't take me time as to find out that Lee
Speaker 8: Pennington had nothing to do with the CIA. He was
Speaker 8: one of the very earliest members of the FBI from
Speaker 8: back when as the Bureau of Investigations. But yeah, I
Speaker 8: agree that wee Pennington was indeed McCord's handler. And then
Speaker 8: based on my I don't mean to where mister Pennington
Speaker 8: was the number one Soviet more even bigger than mister Busy,
Speaker 8: even bigger than mister McCord. One of the earliest going
Speaker 8: back to literally nineteen twenty nine.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 8: I think that's kind of big.
Speaker 1: I think it's big too. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to argue with you. I have always said that,
Speaker 1: you know, this idea of see, I think Helms is involved,
Speaker 1: but not in a way of like directing this or
Speaker 1: controlling this. I think in the aftermath of it, he
Speaker 1: wanted to utilize it, uh to uh, you know, to
Speaker 1: continue to have his fiefdom kept in place, which has
Speaker 1: nothing to do with holding on to your directory.
Speaker 12: It does make sense to me that possibly, I mean,
Speaker 12: let's face it, Nixon was talking to a lot of commons,
Speaker 12: and Helms would have been well into this right.
Speaker 2: To check, to trust but verified.
Speaker 8: Maybe he had a legitimate situation where he wanted to
Speaker 8: see what was going on, and maybe this was piggyback.
Speaker 1: To common Yet I don't know that.
Speaker 8: So far, I can't find nothing saying Helms was involved.
Speaker 8: Everyone assumes it because McCourt was involved.
Speaker 1: Well, and they also make that stupid assertion of well,
Speaker 1: the head of the CIA had to be involved. The
Speaker 1: head of the CIA, you know, the guy who is
Speaker 1: at the top, the director is not read into everything.
Speaker 1: They're just not They don't need to be read into everything. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy to some people. How can
Speaker 1: you say that Alan doles knew everything? No he didn't.
Speaker 1: That's not the way this war they want.
Speaker 8: They want possible deniability.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, that's exactly see now, BPTE. Even exactly all
Speaker 1: of us can agree on this. The guys who are
Speaker 1: at the leader in the leadership positions are precisely in
Speaker 1: those leader positions to not be exposed to everything that
Speaker 1: is dangerous. That is the point of them being there.
Speaker 1: They don't need all that knowledge. They want plausible deniability.
Speaker 1: They want to be able to pass the lie detector
Speaker 1: tests and go on TV and legitimately say or go
Speaker 1: in front of a you know, Senate subcommittee, or go
Speaker 1: buy to close the door and see.
Speaker 2: On front of Congress. You know, is their biggest colors
Speaker 2: looking for. So that they can't get up there and say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I'll have to get back to you on that.
Speaker 1: But you can't slip up information you don't have. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You can't accidentally go well I
Speaker 1: knew this guy. Well, if you knew him, then you
Speaker 1: knew this. No, you don't even have to think about
Speaker 1: those connections if you are already insulated from them, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I got a question for the both of you,
Speaker 2: as anyone.
Speaker 3: Do you know of anybody that has looked into the
Speaker 3: aspect of how many inner agency moles were involved between
Speaker 3: the CIA and the FBI?
Speaker 2: I mean how many?
Speaker 3: I mean, you know people the FBI had people in
Speaker 3: the CIA, and we know the CIA had people in
Speaker 3: the FBI.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious to.
Speaker 3: Know how that lattice, that crossover worked its way up
Speaker 3: through the administrations over the years.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to tell you that anybody that says
Speaker 1: they know what the entire lattice looks like on that
Speaker 1: is lying, because it's possible. There is constantly a game
Speaker 1: going back and forth here. And we know this, and
Speaker 1: even Jimmy brings it up. Since the time of the
Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigation, not the FBI, but the thing that
Speaker 1: was organized into the FBI later Okay, even since that time,
Speaker 1: there's inter agency Yeah, but you know, some of this
Speaker 1: inner agency stuff had to go on, go on with
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that they were pulling off back
Speaker 1: at that time.
Speaker 2: You know, after after the Korean.
Speaker 3: War, the agencies really started getting busy, you know, and
Speaker 3: you had Nixon. Nixon was caught in China at the
Speaker 3: time that he kissed a lot of people off when
Speaker 3: he went and met with the leader of Maine mainland China. Yeah,
Speaker 3: trying to set everybody on their ear.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
Speaker 3: Do you guys know of anybody that has ever or
Speaker 3: if you heard of anybody that has ever come out
Speaker 3: and told the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to. I was at CIA, but I
Speaker 2: was working for the Yeah, lots of guys have tried
Speaker 2: to tell the story.
Speaker 8: Do you mean double agents or triple agents, as in
Speaker 8: the FBI is fine on the CIA or do you
Speaker 8: mean that a Soviet mole?
Speaker 12: Are you Soviet mole or just the agency?
Speaker 3: Well, we've had Soviet moles through both agencies, so I
Speaker 3: mean they're going to cover what they're covering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking about double.
Speaker 3: Moles where you got you know, the CIA the FBI
Speaker 3: are actually covert each other.
Speaker 8: Yes, I found a document which says that James Jesus
Speaker 8: Ankleton was one of the most prolific UH dime droppers
Speaker 8: in the history.
Speaker 2: Of the FBI.
Speaker 12: They said he was constantly giving them copious amounts of
Speaker 12: information to the point that they literally was talking about
Speaker 12: starting a wing just for his information.
Speaker 8: He was providing. And I could guarantee that the CIA
Speaker 8: director didn't.
Speaker 2: Know that.
Speaker 8: Unless it was some kind of misinformation disinformation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll give you one obvious, so obvious that
Speaker 1: it hurts because it's just ridiculous that it's out there
Speaker 1: and plain sight like this issue. A guy named Gerald
Speaker 1: Ford ends up on certain committees, gets certain information from
Speaker 1: one place, and is magically able to carry it to
Speaker 1: people at the FBI. Uh while he's in Congress. You know,
Speaker 1: he just magically. You look at how quietly Ford pops
Speaker 1: up here here, here, here, here, and take a look.
Speaker 2: At his character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm telling you now, he was informing the
Speaker 1: FBI of stuff that they were trying to keep from
Speaker 1: the FBI constantly. So and that was his purpose on
Speaker 1: the Warrant Commission. Well, yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Find it funny that through history, you know, they he's
Speaker 2: he's they've hit him with the misnover of him being
Speaker 2: really dumb. I mean, look at how.
Speaker 3: He's portrayed on The Simpsons. You know, Jerald Ford, he's
Speaker 3: just some dumb guy from Michigan. Well, Saturday Night Live,
Speaker 3: Jevy j He had his fingers in everything.
Speaker 2: That's what's so amazing about it.
Speaker 3: But you never heard he was one of those that
Speaker 3: could operate silently and he never would have guessed.
Speaker 1: Because you're never going to look at the incompetent idiot.
Speaker 1: I mean even even on JFK specials from the eighties,
Speaker 1: you can hear people go, hey, Gerald Ford, couldn't you know,
Speaker 1: take a leak and chew gum at the same time.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, it was like, what it's where he
Speaker 2: turned up?
Speaker 3: You know, if he's mistering competent, I don't think I
Speaker 3: would have had him doing some of the stuff he did.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's like, how come we got
Speaker 1: the guy from the special ed class on the physics team?
Speaker 1: You know what's going on here?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: It keeps happening. It's like, oh, it's just Jerry. You know,
Speaker 1: It's okay, now, it's just Jerry. He just happened to
Speaker 1: be there to get you know. Yeah, no, no, he's
Speaker 1: up there. He'll be fine, exactly. And it's too funny
Speaker 1: because I mean he goes way back before the Simpsons,
Speaker 1: Like I said, you know, Chevy Chase it all.
Speaker 3: So yeah, oh yeah, he's always had that He's always
Speaker 3: had that meme about him that he was, you know,
Speaker 3: just this incompetent boob.
Speaker 1: Right and incompetent nice guy boob. No big deal, mister vanilla.
Speaker 1: You know I'm not doing anything big. But take a
Speaker 1: look at where he is, and he's just constantly showing
Speaker 1: up in lots of sensitive places where the FBI would
Speaker 1: love to get heads up on stuff, and they do,
Speaker 1: so you know, Hoover was well informed, and then the
Speaker 1: FBI afterwards, after Hoover is well informed of a lot
Speaker 1: of things that they wouldn't have been without Ford. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, now it's circumstantial. I don't have absolute proof
Speaker 1: of this, but just take a look at where he
Speaker 1: pops up. It's very interesting anyway, that's the in plane
Speaker 1: sight argument. And of course what better way to hide somebody,
Speaker 1: to make him, you know, part of the idiot squad
Speaker 1: and all that. So there's that. Let's it over to
Speaker 1: Harlan and also remind people three one nine five two
Speaker 1: seven five zero one six is the number to call.
Speaker 1: Jimmy's on hold. Now we'll get to Harland now, and
Speaker 1: whoever calls in next is next? Is that simple? I
Speaker 1: got open lines and I got about one hundred of them.
Speaker 1: So back to Harlan, h we put back on hold
Speaker 1: because he thought he might be Danny. Harlan, what's on
Speaker 1: your mind this week?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, i'd like to when I get done,
Speaker 4: I'd like to joke Gallas chain on what she's talking
Speaker 4: about about the sleecret service agent, you know, trail and
Speaker 4: mouse and disappearing to go Breaskleeds, you know, her baby.
Speaker 4: But as far as what you're talking about right now,
Speaker 4: I mean I always kind of thought that the Watergate
Speaker 4: thing kind of came from next and you know, just
Speaker 4: to get rid of it, you know, just for spots
Speaker 4: and a final gun of China stuff and you know,
Speaker 4: probably taking us off the gold standard too. And he
Speaker 4: this used to be readily available on you. But you know,
Speaker 4: his uh type recordings that he had, he said a
Speaker 4: lot of political and correct things you know about Jesus
Speaker 4: mind right.
Speaker 1: No, all that's true. I don't think they got rid
Speaker 1: of him for that, I got to tell you, but
Speaker 1: they definitely orchestrated this to make sure. Look, he's got
Speaker 1: to go. And uh, you know, I've always joked it
Speaker 1: was too soon for the CIA to arrange for another
Speaker 1: bullet in his head.
Speaker 9: And uh.
Speaker 1: And the only reason why I say the CIA is
Speaker 1: not because they arranged for Kennedy even but because they
Speaker 1: were definitely involved in the cover up, and they wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been able to orchestrate yet another cover up of
Speaker 1: that kind of thing.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And and it's that simple, you know, So whether they
Speaker 1: were the active party to really, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cover ups back then were a whole lot easier than
Speaker 2: they are now.
Speaker 1: Of course, well easier, I have harder, well, easier and
Speaker 1: harder though, because you know, you could sometimes have stuff
Speaker 1: get out there back then, Uh, that would be earth shattering,
Speaker 1: but as long as you controlled it really quickly, it
Speaker 1: might go away. Stuff nowadays does not go away. So
Speaker 1: that's on the one side. But on the other side,
Speaker 1: you know, it might have actually been a little harder
Speaker 1: than too, because people understood certain things. You can always
Speaker 1: flood confusion into the market now and make things disappear.
Speaker 1: That kind of confusion wasn't as easy. Once certain things
Speaker 1: stuck back then, you weren't going to get rid of them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It wasn't as easy. Uh.
Speaker 3: Well, but the thing is that, you know, the major,
Speaker 3: the major way that the public found out about stuff
Speaker 3: was through the media, not knowing that, not realizing that
Speaker 3: the media back then was agency controlled as well. So yeah,
Speaker 3: things came out to the media, but it was only
Speaker 3: certain things that were allowed to come out.
Speaker 2: Through the media.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, like I say, true, they had.
Speaker 2: To well look at the Pentagon papers.
Speaker 3: They had to go to Elswhere's psychiatrist office and break
Speaker 3: in to get information.
Speaker 2: Not as easy as not. It's not one as easy
Speaker 2: then as it is now. Between these government agencies that
Speaker 2: are recording everything that.
Speaker 3: Goes on electronically in the world. Yeah, eventually they're searchings
Speaker 3: and I'll get around to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but see there he goes. The other part of it, right,
Speaker 1: is back then you would have had to produce mountains
Speaker 1: of paper to overflood the information, you know, and get
Speaker 1: out there and drown it in a bunch of crap. Nowadays,
Speaker 1: it's easy to drown a serious fact in eighty different things,
Speaker 1: eighty different ways, you know what I mean. Like you
Speaker 1: could just turn around and say, well, you know, we've
Speaker 1: got this one recording back then, right and it sticks out.
Speaker 1: But today you can go, well, that's okay. We recorded
Speaker 1: every second of every day from sixteen different cameras, now
Speaker 1: go sort through them, you know what I mean. In
Speaker 1: other words, you can get overwhelmed.
Speaker 3: Well, not only that, you know, you get a story
Speaker 3: hit that you automatically crank up your AID bots to
Speaker 3: go out there and create a bunch of media.
Speaker 2: Uh that's nothing but misinformation. So then you have to
Speaker 2: wead through that.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know, it's just easy to muddle stuff now electronically. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but all of the ways that they have to manipulate data.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3: It's like you said, back then, it was bury somebody
Speaker 3: under a mountain of paperwork to find that one item
Speaker 3: they're looking for.
Speaker 1: Right, But today you can bury it under so much
Speaker 1: noise that it gets lost, you know. Uh, because just
Speaker 1: you put out a couple of real things and then
Speaker 1: you just drown it in the crap. And then okay,
Speaker 1: you figured out what separate the crap from the reel,
Speaker 1: and they can't because it's just it's overwhelming. It's impossible.
Speaker 1: It takes AI bots to do it right. So it's
Speaker 1: like the battle of the AI bots. My AI bots
Speaker 1: are going to drown you in crap, and now your
Speaker 1: AI bots have to pick the uh you know, the uh,
Speaker 1: the salt out of the sugar, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: go for it.
Speaker 2: The h what was it? The end.
Speaker 4: Drift and con dank creators. You know, they can't run
Speaker 4: fast enough to make something out to be just whatever
Speaker 4: that leans in the direction to getting beets, regardless fitsfacts
Speaker 4: or not. They won't aim way right, like.
Speaker 1: That boxer, like that boxer thing that you brought up,
Speaker 1: Like that boxer thing you talked about a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, Harlan, where it was like instantaneously we had
Speaker 1: the whole Oh it's a guy. It was a guy. Hey,
Speaker 1: he was a guy, and then maybe it wasn't a guy.
Speaker 1: You know, they were so fast on the gun there,
Speaker 1: going for it, making their point. They had gone ten
Speaker 1: points deep before somebody even checked to see if it
Speaker 1: was real, you know what I mean, And well.
Speaker 4: A lot of it.
Speaker 3: Well I was gonna say I never understood that point
Speaker 3: when when y'all bought it up last week, I thought,
Speaker 3: I thought the Boxing Association UH had said, yeah, the
Speaker 3: guy is a guy. I mean, here's his chromosome readout boom.
Speaker 3: I didn't think there was any debate about it, no, no.
Speaker 1: But at this point I got to say it looks
Speaker 1: to me like we don't know. And the final determination,
Speaker 1: from what I could understand is that that was actually
Speaker 1: a woman.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: The two boxers I'm thinking of at the Olympics, they
Speaker 3: were both turned down by boxing Federation because they had
Speaker 3: X Y chromosomes.
Speaker 2: They're men. The Olympics scene didn't take.
Speaker 3: I was that, you know, you've got the IBF, you've
Speaker 3: got the all the different federations for boxing, but the
Speaker 3: one that controls them all came out and said no
Speaker 3: to qualify for these bouts.
Speaker 2: We did the tests, we did the swabs, they x Y.
Speaker 3: Chromosomes their men, and the Olympics did disallowed that argument
Speaker 3: and said, well, we're accepting them as trans Regardless of
Speaker 3: what said that was the big debate was what my
Speaker 3: understanding They both.
Speaker 2: Are guys, quite and simple. I mean, unless you got
Speaker 2: another way to mend I don't know.
Speaker 1: Look, I will check in the standard.
Speaker 4: I tell you how I'm measured. My standard is when
Speaker 4: you pull their growers down the head of vagina, the
Speaker 4: lower gift home. They're a girl. You know that's my standard.
Speaker 11: Thing.
Speaker 4: Best Vallet won't no, But.
Speaker 1: I get his point about this. If there was an
Speaker 1: X Y chromosome. Then that's that. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I thought that it was determined actually the other way.
Speaker 1: You see, Now that's no, and that that.
Speaker 3: Was the big argument is before these get one during
Speaker 3: qualifications for the Olympics, to let these guys get in.
Speaker 3: That was the argument that started some of these coaches
Speaker 3: and all and federation said.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
Speaker 3: The International Boxing Federation, the worldwide federation that governs all
Speaker 3: of us, have determined these guys are guys, and that's
Speaker 3: the argument. And the Olympics said, well, we don't look
Speaker 3: at their criteria. We have our own, and that's how
Speaker 3: they were allowed to box. I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 3: I just thought it was strange that now they had,
Speaker 3: you know, domestic violences a metal sport in the Olympics.
Speaker 1: Well this uh Imani khalif that one, Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: look into it. Okay. Herventry came just hours after Olympics.
Speaker 1: Uh I mean the statement that they made here is
Speaker 1: pretty definitive that she was born a woman. Let's see.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm gonna I'm gonna check into this
Speaker 1: while you guys talk. But I did. I brought it
Speaker 1: up as a side issue actually, but go ahead orlan
Speaker 1: whatever else is on your mind.
Speaker 4: Good, well, it's this whole situation about the secret servant
Speaker 4: agent that run off the breastfeed. I mean, what have
Speaker 4: you guys heard about that? And by the way, before
Speaker 4: you get back to me on that, you know what
Speaker 4: the last probably what's it been five six, seven years?
Speaker 4: It's kind of died off lately. But on social media,
Speaker 4: you had two main things. Did this thing my could
Speaker 4: come out of nowhere? Number one was it was like
Speaker 4: it was a sin against humanity if a woman had
Speaker 4: to put gas in her collar. And number two, all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you start having all these people saying
Speaker 4: that women should be able to breastfeed anywhere at any time.
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm sitting here thinking like, well, why
Speaker 4: couldn't you done it out in the call? I mean,
Speaker 4: couldn't you fed the kid before you know, you got
Speaker 4: to a restaurant. I just didn't understand that, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, it wasn't like you was trapped on a
Speaker 4: cruise ship somewhere, but you know, just kind of stuck
Speaker 4: after me. I believe there's just a bunch of propaganda
Speaker 4: the bush and bullshit in my opinion, both of those things.
Speaker 1: So go ahead, but anyway, be Pete, what's your.
Speaker 3: Thoughts on specifically? I'm sorry, I'm unlike you. I'm gazing
Speaker 3: headlines at the same time.
Speaker 1: Well, we could always go ahead and take a break.
Speaker 1: Let me check the phone lines here. I don't see
Speaker 1: any new calls, but anybody can join us if they
Speaker 1: like at three one nine, five, two seven, five zero
Speaker 1: one six. Let's see. Ibas called into question with the
Speaker 1: body last year, citing the ongoing failures. Wellsh you know,
Speaker 1: all right, anyways, I feel like I should go to
Speaker 1: a break here because I'm trying to do this. And uh,
Speaker 1: I was looking at other headlines as well before this,
Speaker 1: before I delved into this thing. Uh, let's see, I
Speaker 1: was looking at the rundown blah blah blah blah. There's
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff on different musicians, things going on there.
Speaker 1: Matthew Perry, I brought that up already. But that ketamine deal, Uh,
Speaker 1: what's actually happening there? Who knows? But that's an ongoing trial.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: We have the various legal actions that are simply not
Speaker 1: happening regarding uh the presidential selection stuff. He uh, you know,
Speaker 1: did you happen to catch the conference from Trump in
Speaker 1: New Jersey Carl and the old Look, I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: up the slides about groceries and stuff.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 4: I'd heard something the other day. A friend of mine
Speaker 4: was talking about how Camala said she was gonna come
Speaker 4: out and you know, freeze prices or stop you know,
Speaker 4: prices on groceries going up. And you know, like I
Speaker 4: told him, so, well, that sounds all good, but you know,
Speaker 4: let's see it actually happened. Because from what I understand
Speaker 4: that you when Nixon tried that, you know, and this
Speaker 4: was from people years ago that lived through it, that
Speaker 4: was old enough to be a dope be there that
Speaker 4: you know, it just didn't work. It just changed the
Speaker 4: sizes of things. And then they got around it that way.
Speaker 4: And uh, but I just don't see how that's gonna work.
Speaker 4: And and generally speaking, because you know, you're not going
Speaker 4: to be able to shrink the taxes that's been raised
Speaker 4: and the rent that's been raised, and a lot of
Speaker 4: costs that's went up. I mean, I don't want it
Speaker 4: to pay nothing that I don't have to like anybody else.
Speaker 4: And there is a lot of price gouging. But some
Speaker 4: of the stuff that this is aimed at, it doesn't
Speaker 4: look like to me. And I'm not just trying to
Speaker 4: find something to poke a hole and what she said
Speaker 4: or you know whatever. I just don't see how it's
Speaker 4: gonna work in actuality.
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't know how any of this
Speaker 1: is going to work again. You know a lot of
Speaker 1: these claims that are made by the executive branch candidates. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know they're gonna do this, They're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: A lot of times I listened to a carefully and
Speaker 1: I go, how are you even going to do that?
Speaker 2: You know what? Where?
Speaker 1: Where?
Speaker 4: Well this stuff that they can do, you know, I
Speaker 4: mean look at the promises that you know, Trump made
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff. If he just kept his mouth
Speaker 4: shut up, you know, on him would have been a
Speaker 4: big help. But you know, there's just a lot of
Speaker 4: things that they're not going to do that's going to
Speaker 4: positively affect you or you know, your rats. You know,
Speaker 4: as a human man, it's same slack to me. You know, ohman,
Speaker 4: I loved the round, but it's not looking that way.
Speaker 4: May I go ahead?
Speaker 1: I don't know see according to a bunch of this
Speaker 1: stuff I'm reading b Pete. By the way, it's not transgender.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The International Boxing Association, a governing body for the spot
Speaker 1: Bard Khalif and Taiwanese boxer after the IBA claimed they
Speaker 1: failed unspecified gender uh eligibility tests. The International Olympic Committee right,
Speaker 1: which called the IBA's decision quote arbitrary and ban the
Speaker 1: association over corruption concerns last year. Blah blah blah. Okay,
Speaker 1: the Algerian boxer was.
Speaker 3: Born female with IOC doesn't recognize the IBA. The IBA
Speaker 3: is the International Boxing Association, and they do one to
Speaker 3: for people that are going to compete, and that is
Speaker 3: they do a testosterone level test that automatically will knock
Speaker 3: out a lot of the issues. But when they find
Speaker 3: somebody that has high testesterone testosterone, they do another test,
Speaker 3: and this one they actually checked chromosoonal a chromosoonal check
Speaker 3: and both boxers have came up with an x Y
Speaker 3: chromosome and that's why they were banned because that's according
Speaker 3: to their criteria, that's a male. Now, what they have
Speaker 3: come up with is this argument that there are some
Speaker 3: rare instances connected to health issues where females well I
Speaker 3: think I bat males with an x Y. Some are
Speaker 3: born with female genitalia. They haven't said that that's the case.
Speaker 3: And then there's this other syndrome where because of hormones
Speaker 3: and everything else in a person's body, and you know,
Speaker 3: everybody's different to a degree.
Speaker 2: There are cases where.
Speaker 3: Men can exhibit female characteristics in their hormonal content. And
Speaker 3: apparently the or is it the Algerian that boxer has
Speaker 3: always identified as female? Now no one has come out
Speaker 3: and said, this person's got female genitalia and that's why
Speaker 3: we allowed it. It's not you're right, it's not an
Speaker 3: issue of trans And if I said that, I miss both.
Speaker 3: The Olympics did not consider them trans. They considered them women.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's kind of a legal, scientific, you know,
Speaker 3: conundrum right now.
Speaker 2: Exactly what is the case.
Speaker 3: We don't have all the facts or I don't know
Speaker 3: if anybody's been through a strip search or not.
Speaker 2: But maybe that's what it takes to end the controversy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but see, now here's the weird part is physical manifestation.
Speaker 1: Like you said, you could have somebody who is effectively
Speaker 1: female but ends up with a lot of male hormones
Speaker 1: and ends up with some you know, or vice versa,
Speaker 1: ends up with some of the you know, like the uh,
Speaker 1: the glands will develop in the breasts and you still
Speaker 1: have a penis you know, which you are too.
Speaker 2: Oh of course, character is like breast cancer.
Speaker 3: Everybody thinks that, you know, when you think breast cancer
Speaker 3: saved the boots, you think women, Yeah, they suffer from it,
Speaker 3: but men suffer from best breast cancer just as well
Speaker 3: because of hormones and things of that nature.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, man, it's.
Speaker 3: Something that they're going to have to come down and
Speaker 3: make a decision on, you know, will the truth come out?
Speaker 3: Is this individual actually a woman? But based on the
Speaker 3: IBA tests, they both came.
Speaker 2: Up with X Y chromosomes not xx.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to fragilects where you have an additional X chromosome, right,
Speaker 3: But that's not the case, and just muddies.
Speaker 2: The water here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, and what would you call that? I don't know, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, colex, that's fragile X syndrome.
Speaker 1: No, I know, that's FRAGILEX. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: if you have to put that in the male or
Speaker 1: female box or is it in a third category box?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly, because you're exhibiting well one hundred percent
Speaker 3: of each you've got an X line and you've got
Speaker 3: an XX all on the same body.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, why am I seeing ideas?
Speaker 4: I'd like to say something here. Why is it that
Speaker 4: these problems are usually from somewhere overseas and this isn't
Speaker 4: an everyday thing that we say here in America. I mean,
Speaker 4: I think myself, it's where you get a lot of
Speaker 4: these these third world countries that they have to be
Speaker 4: some you know, close chromosomes from being though from the
Speaker 4: old daddage, the closer to ken. I mean, there have
Speaker 4: to be some men breeding down the line somewhere. You
Speaker 4: wouldn't have this this much. I mean it was very rare,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: I went through four Remember who was cook?
Speaker 3: Was it? It was the afron Yeah cast Semina remember
Speaker 3: that South African middle distance front. There was some question
Speaker 3: about their gender and let's see one two Olympic gold medals,
Speaker 3: but I remember there was some kind of controversy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, in some.
Speaker 13: Minea's victory at the two thousand and nine World Championships,
Speaker 13: she was made to undergo sex testing and cleared to
Speaker 13: return to competition the following year. The decision to perform
Speaker 13: sex tests and spark controversy in the sporting world and
Speaker 13: in Semenya's home.
Speaker 2: Country of South Africa.
Speaker 3: Later reports disclosed that she had an intersex condition five
Speaker 3: a reductaste to deficiency and natural testosterone levels up in
Speaker 3: the male range. So this is one of those instances
Speaker 3: where somebody is a female but they trip the trigger
Speaker 3: on a testosterone test and they have to go and
Speaker 3: do further testing, right, and.
Speaker 4: Astone task could come from steroids.
Speaker 1: That yeah, that was my next That was my next thought.
Speaker 1: Is that a whole lot of steroids, like a lot
Speaker 1: of the human growth hormone stuff and everything else can
Speaker 1: skew these results. You know, human growth hormonal skew results
Speaker 1: to female in a lot of cases, right for a
Speaker 1: male the other way around.
Speaker 3: And that's why that's why they're so critical about somebody
Speaker 3: being injured and some of the therapies that they use,
Speaker 3: because those steroids that they use a lot of times
Speaker 3: when people have ligament industries or ligament injuries and things
Speaker 3: of that nature.
Speaker 2: What's the first thing can do? You put them on steroids.
Speaker 3: It clears it right up, but it also triggers the
Speaker 3: testing that they do and disqualifies somebody, So they have
Speaker 3: to be very careful about how they treat injuries just
Speaker 3: to get around that hormonal problem.
Speaker 1: Right, And one more issue here is that And I
Speaker 1: was crap. I might have lost my train of thought here,
Speaker 1: but it's it's a little different, all right. How can
Speaker 1: I put this never mind? You know what, I'll I'll
Speaker 1: put it aside for now, and I try and grab
Speaker 1: my train of thought once again, because I lost it
Speaker 1: on this hormone issue. I wasn't thinking of that. I
Speaker 1: was thinking of, Oh, I know what it is here? Sorry.
Speaker 1: In the US, Harlan says, why is it always overseas?
Speaker 1: I have an answer for you, and you might or
Speaker 1: might not like it. We run a lot more blood
Speaker 1: tests here on everybody, even stuff like you going, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my panel run for this or that.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of testing done, and I bet a
Speaker 1: lot of data collected that you never get to see
Speaker 1: or know about that isn't part of your medical treatment.
Speaker 1: There's store data all the time, and between that and
Speaker 1: the you know twenty three and me and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff all across you know, the US, there's tons
Speaker 1: of data and tons of blood being drawn that's being analyzed.
Speaker 1: Eighty different ways, So it's more likely that they would
Speaker 1: screen out a lot of things early here, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: because it would have already been caught by something, you know,
Speaker 1: And when we run tests on our athletes, I mean
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that ron or blood tests here in America.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, not only that, you have a lot of
Speaker 3: countries that you know, participate in the Olympics that would
Speaker 3: be considered third world.
Speaker 2: So you've got this.
Speaker 3: You know, we're going to George here. George has been
Speaker 3: running his whole life. He's been running these hills in
Speaker 3: the middle of Africa. He's a long distance runner. But
Speaker 3: George has always been raised as a girl. You know,
Speaker 3: these cultures that treat these things that come up in
Speaker 3: the human species differently.
Speaker 2: You might be pulling somebody that's.
Speaker 3: A hurdler from the middle of Rhodesia that lived, you know,
Speaker 3: back in the in the sticks, who's always been raised
Speaker 3: a female because of some condition that was treated a
Speaker 3: certain way at a certain time. It doesn't factor in much.
Speaker 3: But you look at the vastness of the human population.
Speaker 3: There's what two hundred and two hundred and sixty countries
Speaker 3: I think that take part in the Olympics. So you
Speaker 3: have you have got a you know, the perfect full
Speaker 3: deck spread of what you're going to come across from
Speaker 3: the human population.
Speaker 2: Qualifying one is either a boy or a girl.
Speaker 3: So splus some of these people come from places where
Speaker 3: medicine isn't it's still you'll practice by guys with rattles
Speaker 3: and masks.
Speaker 1: Well maybe so. And you also have the instance of
Speaker 1: like you know, remember the people used to love that
Speaker 1: movie Cool Runnings, right with the Jamaican bob sled team.
Speaker 1: If you take a look at the way that some
Speaker 1: of these you know, Olympic appearances are funded and stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like they have tons and tons
Speaker 1: of extra money to be running extra blood tests and
Speaker 1: everything else. They might be doing the bare minimum, you know,
Speaker 1: whereas the US has probably drawn you know, eight gallons
Speaker 1: of blood off of somebody over time by the time
Speaker 1: they get to the Olympics and run every conceivable test imaginable.
Speaker 3: So, like I said, you know, perfect example of that condition.
Speaker 3: Look at Lance Armstrong. Look at the technology that went
Speaker 3: into how they doped for every year that he was
Speaker 3: running in the Tour of France, and that was America.
Speaker 2: Know how that allowed them to be able to cheat that, well,
Speaker 2: look at the chemistry involved.
Speaker 3: You know, they're taking this today, they're pumping blood the
Speaker 3: over oxygenate overnight and the next day two shots of
Speaker 3: this little bit of steroids on the side and boom.
Speaker 3: I'm sure an foe figured in there a couple of
Speaker 3: times as well.
Speaker 2: In the whole treatment.
Speaker 3: They had it down to a science. So I'm being
Speaker 3: able to cheat and avoid detection for how many years?
Speaker 2: What he had? Seven championships something like that.
Speaker 1: And the other thing there is again the amazing quality
Speaker 1: with which you know, okay, you I don't know how
Speaker 1: to even word this properly. It's like the Russians and
Speaker 1: these Germans. For a while there there was all kinds
Speaker 1: of whispers and accusations because there was some pretty interesting
Speaker 1: looking people that were, you know, suddenly amazing athletes, okay,
Speaker 1: and nobody busted them because they probably were already ahead
Speaker 1: of the testing, you know what I'm saying, Like, if
Speaker 1: you're using your government's best people to mask or to
Speaker 1: come up with something new that they don't test for,
Speaker 1: you know, it was sort of like some of the
Speaker 1: some of the designer drugs at a certain point in
Speaker 1: the later eighties, right you could go take the drug test.
Speaker 1: You could pass it, but you were getting high all
Speaker 1: day every day. Just you weren't getting high up a drug.
Speaker 1: They were looking for U. Sort of like that, but
Speaker 1: imagine in the doping way right where they enhanced certain things.
Speaker 3: We've had teams from China and Russet, you know that
Speaker 3: had been no this year.
Speaker 2: In fact, what was it? Was it one of the
Speaker 2: Chinese teams?
Speaker 3: I forget which sport was banned from the Olympics because
Speaker 3: of doping. You know, the old joke used to be,
Speaker 3: you know, look at the leotards of the Chinese and
Speaker 3: the Russian female athletes, how many bulges do you see?
Speaker 1: You see if they're sprouting new ones?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 1: And that was the thing is that was the big
Speaker 1: joke in all. It was sort of like, you know,
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, Barry Bond's head started getting
Speaker 1: really big and nobody knew what was going on yet
Speaker 1: because they weren't testing for whatever it was he was.
Speaker 3: Taking, right, or what was it Mark McGuire, he was
Speaker 3: he was the ANFO frequent Yeah, well, Mark McGuire.
Speaker 1: Was another guy, right, he was taking stuff that wasn't
Speaker 1: banned yet. Or Roger Clemens too right. I think even
Speaker 1: was taking stuff that wasn't banned yet.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, so if they're taking a substance that they're
Speaker 1: not testing for, and you have you know, some government
Speaker 1: science office working on this, they're going, well, we know
Speaker 1: what it is they test for, so what can we
Speaker 1: give them that'll do the same thing and not come
Speaker 1: up in the test. I think that's been going on forever. So,
Speaker 1: you know again, but here we go. If you meet
Speaker 1: the minimum qualifications and you can show up and compete
Speaker 1: for you know, like you said, Rhodesia or some country
Speaker 1: that you know only existed for two years. Anyway, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, Right, they're gonna do the minimum testing. They're
Speaker 1: not looking for gender to who's gonna do everybody a
Speaker 1: gender test? You know what I mean, Like it'll come
Speaker 1: up in America, it'll come up here, and plus will
Speaker 1: be a whole lot of people that are eliminated for
Speaker 1: other reasons. Hey, it turns out you were actually sick
Speaker 1: with this. Let's get ahead of this, start giving your chemotherapy.
Speaker 1: Oh well, you won't be able to compete in the
Speaker 1: Olympics this year. Well, you know again, you know, long
Speaker 1: distance runner from Middle Africa country. He wasn't tested for
Speaker 1: that cancer or whatever, you know what I mean. He
Speaker 1: might have it doesn't matter because he's not gonna get
Speaker 1: tested for it, so he doesn't get knocked out either.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just it's a weird plethora of
Speaker 1: possibilities here. Like you said, you got the full spectrum
Speaker 1: possibilities when it comes to what they're going to catch,
Speaker 1: what they're not going to catch. If somebody's giving them
Speaker 1: stuff intentionally to be ahead of a curve that it's
Speaker 1: chemical they're not testing for yet. You know, Like let's
Speaker 1: just say they discover somehow that the urine of rats
Speaker 1: is somehow an enhancer. Nobody's testing for urine rat urine
Speaker 1: in your bloodstream, okay, And and they go, look, if
Speaker 1: you inject this, it does this great miracle thing. Until
Speaker 1: they catch up to it and start testing for it.
Speaker 1: People can shoot that up all day and they're passing
Speaker 1: the tests right. And there's a lot of things, and
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of things that misdirect people on these
Speaker 1: sex tests. I know that, like you were talking about,
Speaker 1: there's conditions where it's like they can appear to be
Speaker 1: one thing they're not because of you know, hormonal conditions.
Speaker 1: Then there's I'm saying, there's a bunch of different possibilities here.
Speaker 1: So I think that's why I'm not finding this definitive,
Speaker 1: absolute answer regarding whether this woman was a woman or not,
Speaker 1: you know, except for the politically correct one, which is definitive.
Speaker 3: You know, well, maybe maybe we need to go back
Speaker 3: to the First Olympics and they all performed their sports
Speaker 3: in the nude.
Speaker 2: That way, we'll know I'm not watching that.
Speaker 3: Hey, I you'd have a lot more viewership.
Speaker 1: And yeah you would, but you know you I don't know,
Speaker 1: uh Harland, you still on the line.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just about to tell you go
Speaker 4: ahead and turn turn Jimmy Luce, I go ahead, and
Speaker 4: time for matter is just handing over to him because
Speaker 4: I'm out here in the middle of nowhere in the Panandlea, Texas,
Speaker 4: and I'm liable to lose signal at any time anyway.
Speaker 4: But uh, you know, as far as I'm concerned, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like you, these people's coming from me, you know,
Speaker 4: third world countries and things, and you know they're probably
Speaker 4: picking the stround with woman they can find, you know,
Speaker 4: who knows what they've been given for how long I
Speaker 4: can agree with what you guys are saying about. You know,
Speaker 4: you they may not have a test for whatever they've
Speaker 4: been given. And there again, it might just be all natural,
Speaker 4: but it's all natural, and say Rhodesia instead of Rhode Island.
Speaker 4: And when you're dealing with you know, God knows how
Speaker 4: many different you know, types of human dens here at
Speaker 4: different races and different environments, and that it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's just like you're in America. You know, Native Americans,
Speaker 4: you know, they don't process alcohol like you know white
Speaker 4: and black Americans. See. You know, that's a fact from
Speaker 4: what I understand. So you know, when you're doing stuff
Speaker 4: all over the world, there's gonna be some variances there.
Speaker 4: But this whole shit that you know that she was
Speaker 4: a you know man and blah blah blah. There's always
Speaker 4: been some little bit manly manly like women I think.
Speaker 4: I mean, I was on the plane ride once with
Speaker 4: a basketball team from a Montana college and I mean
Speaker 4: every one of them, you know, it was Amazon's. I
Speaker 4: mean they was six foot till the six six the
Speaker 4: majority of them, and probably every one of them could
Speaker 4: have whooped my ash. You know when I was in
Speaker 4: my late twenties, you know, unless I cheat it or
Speaker 4: you know, had something like you know, co cop them
Speaker 4: or sucker bust them first. But I'm just saying, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, and it's it's look, it's
Speaker 1: it's an odd environment, man, because again, there's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of things that might be in the system of somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, as a normal process. And by the way,
Speaker 1: in case anybody's gonna get mad about you bringing up
Speaker 1: the Native American thing or whatever, here's the truth. If
Speaker 1: you talk to an actual qualified anesthesiologist, ask them about
Speaker 1: whether racial profiling is necessary, because it is.
Speaker 4: Uh, there are well you can't you can't even get alcohol,
Speaker 4: and a lot of places in Alaska and on the
Speaker 4: reservations and you know things like that. But and by
Speaker 4: the way, the Montana basketball team that I was thinking about,
Speaker 4: they was all white too. That I said that I remember,
Speaker 4: So it wasn't like, you know, this was a you
Speaker 4: know a lot of different races from all over the country,
Speaker 4: you know whatever like that. You know, some of these
Speaker 4: women's basketball teams has got over the years. I mean,
Speaker 4: this wasn't whatever her name was got caught the pot
Speaker 4: over in Russia. You know situation, a lot of people
Speaker 4: kids saying that, you know, she's a man, you know,
Speaker 4: doesn't look like it, you know, I mean that it's
Speaker 4: came out that that's the truth. But you know, I
Speaker 4: mean here again, I'm just using that for example. And
Speaker 4: I'll be the first one that meant I don't care
Speaker 4: about the Olympics. It ain't that big a deal to me.
Speaker 4: I actually have a Russian that's you know, to USS
Speaker 4: or Olympic twenty two rifle. But you know, outside that,
Speaker 4: I mean, the Olympics just really ain't never been my
Speaker 4: saying one way or the other. But look at these
Speaker 4: you know, women's basketball teams for example, do they have
Speaker 4: the normal five foot to you know, five seven girls
Speaker 4: basketball team in high school or does a lot of
Speaker 4: them have you know, six foot tall you know, muscular
Speaker 4: you know, or taller you know, large females. What's kind
Speaker 4: of the same way you know that it's going to
Speaker 4: be in the Olympics. I mean, there's not really a
Speaker 4: conspiracy there. That's just who they're picking, right, you know,
Speaker 4: because that's who's gonna win. That's the reason why that
Speaker 4: you know, there's more black people in some of these
Speaker 4: sports than you know, they are white people, because there's
Speaker 4: a lot more of them can win. I'm not saying
Speaker 4: to say a little bit of you know, discrimination towards
Speaker 4: some of the you know, getting some of the white
Speaker 4: players on the team, but it's just become a fire
Speaker 4: and you know, they won't payople to win, and that's
Speaker 4: who that you're going to pick.
Speaker 1: Real simple, And in basketball, height is an advantage, right,
Speaker 1: real simple, doesn't matter. I don't care race, anything else.
Speaker 1: Height is an advantage. And here's the thing. Typically, Uh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna find a lot more black girls are taller
Speaker 1: than white girls. It's just a typical thing. And uh, frankly,
Speaker 1: uh it doesn't matter what race they are. Anytime I've
Speaker 1: seen a well oiled basketball team, they're usually not the
Speaker 1: prettiest ladies. I mean, it's just that simple.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: They're rather masculine looking to me. And this is long
Speaker 1: before steroids. I used to watch you know, some of
Speaker 1: the girls' basketball team and Neptune High School in in
Speaker 1: New Jersey. For God's sake, Uh, you know, I I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you it was like, oh, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: did you want to pick a fight with any of
Speaker 1: these ladies.
Speaker 2: Hell, I'm seeing people later on going what what was
Speaker 2: he talking about?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'm gonna get a call from
Speaker 1: somebody I went to high school with. You watch one
Speaker 1: of these nights, gonna be like, how dare you? I
Speaker 1: was on the team, And he'll be like, there was
Speaker 1: on the team.
Speaker 2: Well, now, I'm just in fairness and so that the
Speaker 2: other side is represented.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say there are a few female basketball players.
Speaker 2: That I've looked at and thought, yeah, I'd go out
Speaker 2: with her or some of them pretty hot maybe something.
Speaker 1: Hey, look, you guys, do you but you know?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: But but Britney Grinds or whatever her name is is
Speaker 1: way more typical of you know.
Speaker 2: And TMZ has some instat I think we mentioned it
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 3: DMZ has some interesting footage of Brittany playing basketball next
Speaker 3: to her pool shirtless and I'm will tell you what,
Speaker 3: when you look at the video, looks like a guy.
Speaker 1: Uh Okay, well you know, and I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: that she doesn't resemble me to me either, But to
Speaker 1: my understanding, born female has always been female. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, I don't know definitively how about that.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, look, there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 1: But but when it comes to race and chemicals, though,
Speaker 1: I just want to make something clear. You talk to
Speaker 1: an anesthesiologist about it. Because I happened to have one
Speaker 1: of those conditions that's specific to your genealogy when it
Speaker 1: comes to anesthesia. So I and I happen to know
Speaker 1: that there's very typical things for certain groups of Asian people.
Speaker 1: You can't give them certain types of anesthesia, you will
Speaker 1: kill them.
Speaker 3: That's something that a guy that I used to work
Speaker 3: with redheaded, Yeah, he had some issues with anesthetic.
Speaker 2: And I got to thinking about it. My dad was
Speaker 2: had red hair, yeah, and he he was having surgery.
Speaker 2: He was in the Navy.
Speaker 3: He had a bone ship or bone for something in
Speaker 3: his elbow. They were doing surgery on him. He woke
Speaker 3: up during the surgery and they had given him enough
Speaker 3: to knock out an elephant.
Speaker 2: Right there is we found that out, and I never.
Speaker 3: Knew that that redheaded people have a different reaction to
Speaker 3: certain anything that's connected.
Speaker 2: With cocaine, procaine, any of those, and.
Speaker 3: Certain other chemicals that they use for common anesthetics don't work.
Speaker 1: On that pharmaceutical, right, that pharmaceutical class. Here's the weird
Speaker 1: connection to that. And it's not redheads but close. Uh.
Speaker 1: Here's the weird pharmaceutical thing. That family of drugs that cocaine,
Speaker 1: ladicane and all those kind of things are part of.
Speaker 1: Is like you're you're highly resistant if if you have
Speaker 1: a certain lack ready for this, a certain lack of melanin,
Speaker 1: if you have a lack of pigmentation in your genetic code.
Speaker 1: I am an ocular albino, okay, which means that I
Speaker 1: don't have pigment in. Weird blue color that my eyes
Speaker 1: are is not natural, it is it appears that way
Speaker 1: because I lack pigmentation, okay. And a lack of pigmentation
Speaker 1: is one of these things that if you connect it
Speaker 1: to certain anesthetics again in that cocaine family, yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't work properly. So I can have serious resistance to
Speaker 1: not like when I go to the dentist and I get,
Speaker 1: you know, even novacane. Did your dad ever have trouble
Speaker 1: get novacane for a dentist? Repete? I saw your camera
Speaker 1: for a minute, but I don't hear you right now.
Speaker 1: You might have muted yourself well anyway, until you get
Speaker 1: off your mute button or whatever. Here's the thing when, yeah,
Speaker 1: when you I go get to get novacane, it doesn't
Speaker 1: work very well. They have to keep shooting me up
Speaker 1: before I can actually get some relief a lot. It
Speaker 1: takes an excessive amount of novacame to work for me,
Speaker 1: not because I'm enjoying it, but because it literally does
Speaker 1: not deaden the pain until you go to an almost
Speaker 1: toxic amount. The same thing happened to me when I
Speaker 1: got these shots in my back, when I got these
Speaker 1: certain epidural shots, and they were supposed to give me
Speaker 1: a shot for pain, and then another thing they put
Speaker 1: I forget a line basically into your spinal cord directly.
Speaker 1: They almost put me out permanently because they overdid it.
Speaker 1: They were supposed to overdo it a certain way, and
Speaker 1: they did the math wrong and overdid it to like
Speaker 1: they gave me an amount that would kill a normal person,
Speaker 1: and it didn't kill me. It just gave me some troubles,
Speaker 1: took my heart rate down too low, and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But anybody else pretty much who doesn't have this problem
Speaker 1: with a lack of pigment that causes you to be
Speaker 1: resistant to a certain anesty anesthetics. Yeah, it would have
Speaker 1: killed somebody like that. They were like freaking out. They
Speaker 1: thought they definitely were gonna have to rush me somewhere
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, to to give me some sort
Speaker 1: of uh you know, countermeasure in an emergency room somewhere
Speaker 1: in a trauma center because uh but they didn't need to.
Speaker 1: They just you know, okay, they could shake me and
Speaker 1: walk me around a little and I was good. But
Speaker 1: that amount could have killed I think, the nurse lady said,
Speaker 1: two people normally. But it's just because of this weird
Speaker 1: there's some weird thing about if you lack pigment.
Speaker 4: You uh you know, yeah ick that gush man I
Speaker 4: mean out there, but you meant magic carpet, rat ice strap,
Speaker 4: that fying out put that. Guys tell you shit, you
Speaker 4: won't you won't know where yet you won't hear you
Speaker 4: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah see now I can't experience that like when I
Speaker 1: did it like illegally. Yeah well no, without the mask,
Speaker 1: I did it illegally. I could get a little high
Speaker 1: off it. But here's the funny thing about like again,
Speaker 1: anesthesia is a weird kind of like science, but you
Speaker 1: got to pay attention to people's race and people's genetic well,
Speaker 1: not genetics necessarily, but people's racial makeup has a lot
Speaker 1: to do with typical reactions to anesthetics. Like the nitrous
Speaker 1: oxide will knock some people just out done and they
Speaker 1: have no memory, no recall, they're nothing right. But until
Speaker 1: you get them there, they don't even feel it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. There's no in between. Other people
Speaker 1: get to have fun, they experience it, they get it
Speaker 1: coming in coming out all that stuff from the nitrous oxide.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: See, I don't get to have fun with the nitrous oxide.
Speaker 1: When they do with the mask and they actually you know,
Speaker 1: take a deep breath. It either is working or it
Speaker 1: ain't working. For me, there's no fun in between, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Harlan.
Speaker 4: That last time I had some of it, I had
Speaker 4: to go out and sit in a truck for almost
Speaker 4: and our you know, temp them off of it. My
Speaker 4: nice draft that out on it was like, you know,
Speaker 4: you use a more spade. I mean you saying lights
Speaker 4: and Lucky Star drags.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish. But for me, you know what happens
Speaker 1: when I get up out of that, It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just had a little lost time. Oh, it's time
Speaker 1: to get up. Cool, and I'm up, like, I don't
Speaker 1: even feel it. Oh, you might be groggy, you know.
Speaker 1: And they always forget, and because they don't know me personally,
Speaker 1: so they go, oh, you cannot drive for a little while.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, if I could drive, I'd
Speaker 1: probably be fine cause I'm not even feeling it, And
Speaker 1: they're like, are you sure you're not a little No,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Everything's good, matter of fact. The only thing
Speaker 1: is my mouth hurts now, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But other than that, like I would go to the
Speaker 1: dentist or stuff like that, forget. It didn't even bother me,
Speaker 1: not even a bit.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: But but this has a lot to do with certain
Speaker 1: things in your ancestry, like be people saying with the
Speaker 1: red hair, that's that's a lack of pigment. And again
Speaker 1: there's certain uh, matter of fact, there's certain like psych
Speaker 1: drugs that are common in America that are banned in
Speaker 1: in many Asian countries, not because they're against the big
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical companies, but because it's very easy for them to
Speaker 1: oh D on these things. They're super sensitive to some
Speaker 1: of the certain types of SSRIs and stuff, just as
Speaker 1: a as a group, as an ethnic group. And I
Speaker 1: don't know all the rules. I don't claim to know
Speaker 1: all the rules. I just know that more than one
Speaker 1: anesthesiologist has explained to me that it's true. But it's
Speaker 1: like one of those you know, unless you're one of us,
Speaker 1: we're not going to tell you about it. But they
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, yeah, it's true though, that these
Speaker 1: things come into play. I need to know, you know, basically,
Speaker 1: the racial background of the individual coming in. And it's
Speaker 1: not as simple as well Caucasian, black, other you know,
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be that simple. But like you said, Native
Speaker 1: Americans typically, not not all of them, but typically you
Speaker 1: could find a good group of Native Americans the process
Speaker 1: alcohol differently. There's a group of again, Irish people that
Speaker 1: process alcohol differently. I know that sounds like I'm setting
Speaker 1: up a joke, but it's true. There's a particular like
Speaker 1: subgroup of Irish people that you know those news stories
Speaker 1: you read about the guy ends up being blowing a
Speaker 1: you know, the alcohol test on the side of the
Speaker 1: road and it's like, oh, he's legally drunk, and it
Speaker 1: turns out the guy drank no alcohol whatsoever. His body
Speaker 1: literally turned something else that he ate into what tests
Speaker 1: positive for alcohol. You've read those stories, right, Harlan.
Speaker 4: I'm saying if you muss been a long time.
Speaker 1: Ago, well, those are real things. Those aren't like urban legends.
Speaker 1: It's that there's a certain subgroup and I think it's
Speaker 1: Irish people, maybe some other kind of European person, but
Speaker 1: there's a certain kind of European that. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: come up with this candition where you eat I don't know,
Speaker 1: bananas or grapes and it turns into you might as
Speaker 1: well drink wine because when you blow it back out
Speaker 1: your breath says you drank wine. Your body literally a lot.
Speaker 2: Of and.
Speaker 4: You can eat it. But you wasn't saying that turned
Speaker 4: your body processes and turns it into sugar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, Like, well, pasta is a typical example right
Speaker 1: where your your your body can turn pasta, which is
Speaker 1: you know what flour and water mainly, Well that becomes sugar, right.
Speaker 4: Corn? Sorry, corn, Yes, a lot of stuff that that's corn, okay,
Speaker 4: will metabolize on the sugar. And that's the situation with
Speaker 4: the Native Americans. A lot of cases is ever body
Speaker 4: does it, it allows the alcohol. It's the same, right,
Speaker 4: is you know one lot of other races too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm telling you this is I.
Speaker 4: Have it until they don't have alcohol, you know, until
Speaker 4: the sixteen seventeen hundreds, you know, and you're fans prouted here, well,
Speaker 4: but there you go.
Speaker 1: It could be that in other places there was reasons
Speaker 1: for these other and uh, you know, usually I like
Speaker 1: to turn to BP for Asian stuff, but I know
Speaker 1: that there are certain psychments that are banned in various
Speaker 1: Asian countries BP because they have a significant portion of
Speaker 1: the population which can very easily end up with toxic
Speaker 1: doses because of their ethnic makeup. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the specifics are on that exactly. I've heard a couple
Speaker 1: of different stories about it, but I know it's a
Speaker 1: real thing. And you know, it's not because they're against
Speaker 1: the big pharmaceutical companies in whatever Asian country. It's because
Speaker 1: it would be too dangerous to their population.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's that simple, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: A combination of two things.
Speaker 3: There was an instance where, well back in what twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: there was a K pop group who one of the
Speaker 3: lead singers supposedly was busted for bringing adderall into the country, right,
Speaker 3: and the Koreans treat adderall as myth because it has.
Speaker 2: A derivative of the salts in the mixture. It's not
Speaker 2: pure myth.
Speaker 3: It's just got a little bit of myth in the
Speaker 3: combination in the adderall. But it's against the law. This
Speaker 3: person had a prescription when they lived in the States.
Speaker 3: They went back to Korea to work. It ran out
Speaker 3: of her prescription. Her family gets a prescription field and
Speaker 3: it was through a university here in the United States. Anyway,
Speaker 3: they mail it over, it gets caught it customs in Korea.
Speaker 3: All male that's coming over on airlines goes through custom
Speaker 3: search and they them packaged up with this other stuff,
Speaker 3: and they went to arrest the individual or to conduct
Speaker 3: an investigation, and it ended in a breakup and a
Speaker 3: big legal battle. Fifteen years later, this group's finally getting
Speaker 3: back together, just over the tarnish that was put on
Speaker 3: this individual.
Speaker 2: She had a prescription.
Speaker 3: She brought it into the country, but Korea said, no,
Speaker 3: it's illegal. You know, why was it she prosecuted, Well,
Speaker 3: it was because she had a prescription.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like she was you know.
Speaker 3: They actually tracked her down and counted the pills to
Speaker 3: see how many she had taken to see if it matched.
Speaker 2: Her for what was prescribed. You discussed this, how far
Speaker 2: they checked into it.
Speaker 1: Right, You discussed this at length, the names of the
Speaker 1: people involved in everything on a show maybe two years ago,
Speaker 1: I think, And yeah, it's true.
Speaker 3: It's that way over a lot of common common prescriptions
Speaker 3: that you know is approved here. Well, and I was
Speaker 3: in Germany they told us in the military you don't
Speaker 3: get go treated by a civilian doctor. Why because they
Speaker 3: may give you something that's legal here, but you're going
Speaker 3: to pop a drug test and you're out of the service.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, see, those are okay, those are geographical issues, right,
Speaker 1: where something's legal in one place not legal another. But
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is there is literally a reason for this,
Speaker 1: where there are components in a lot of the psychmeds
Speaker 1: out there that do that are partially meth amphetamine. Read
Speaker 1: the chemical names. You'll see it looks kind of familiar
Speaker 1: to the stuff that goes into making meth here in
Speaker 1: the US. Okay, you'll see it. It's not even some
Speaker 1: of the stuff is not even good enough that you
Speaker 1: could mine it for those components to make meth. But
Speaker 1: there are some components in these drugs that are the same,
Speaker 1: the same. Okay, even in a very small amount whatever,
Speaker 1: All right, But my point is that some of these
Speaker 1: bands are not for philosophical reasons or because they're worried
Speaker 1: that they're going to generate. It's because the overall popular
Speaker 1: has a significant enough portion in it that this makes
Speaker 1: it dangerous to them. You know, like there's certain foods
Speaker 1: even in the US, that people can eat in the US,
Speaker 1: and if somebody comes from overseas here eats them, goes home,
Speaker 1: they're sick because they're not used to this stuff, this
Speaker 1: garbage that we're eating, and vice versa. You go, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing about oh, don't drink the water, But
Speaker 1: that's it. You get conditioned over time, maybe geographically, but
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, like I said, with that
Speaker 1: whole thing where you said somebody was a ginger, basically
Speaker 1: they were redhead. And you know, I'm telling you there's
Speaker 1: something about pigmentation and the cane pharmaceuticals, you know, cocaine, latycane,
Speaker 1: all that novacane, cocaine, latacane, et cetera, that like, I
Speaker 1: have a high resistance and it's because I have this,
Speaker 1: you know, one part of my DNA has this albino problem.
Speaker 1: So I have a lack of pigmentation. I don't know
Speaker 1: how it connects exactly. Don't ask me to explain that,
Speaker 1: but I do know that just light skin people that
Speaker 1: are lacking pigment have issues with certain drug families, and
Speaker 1: anesthesiologists need to know this because they can either kill
Speaker 1: or underprescribe, or you know, fail to anesthetize somebody based
Speaker 1: on some of these generalizations. I'm not saying it's the
Speaker 1: primary thing that steers them, but it is a factor.
Speaker 1: I know it for sure. And like I said, when
Speaker 1: they gave me a shot in my back, they were
Speaker 1: supposed to give me three times the normal recommended amount.
Speaker 1: What they did is they gave me three times times
Speaker 1: three the normal amount. And so basically they gave me
Speaker 1: twenty seven doses of what they would have given to
Speaker 1: somebody else won And yeah, the one nurse said that
Speaker 1: would have killed two people normally. But to me, it
Speaker 1: was like, well, my heart rate drop, let's monitor that
Speaker 1: for a minute. And I got up and I was okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I felt woozy for a minute, and it
Speaker 1: was really trippy to me to wait id my blood
Speaker 1: dripped off of the IV they had in my arm.
Speaker 1: I thought that was really fascinating for a minute, so
Speaker 1: I guess I was kind of high off of whatever
Speaker 1: was going on in my brain there as my heart
Speaker 1: was slowing down. But yeah, but that was it. I was,
Speaker 1: you know, fine after that. Anyway, we got about sixteen
Speaker 1: minutes left and we still got Harlan on the line.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Harlan on hold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I catch you.
Speaker 1: Got Oh sorry, Harlan, Yep, I'll definitely catch you soon.
Speaker 1: I know you're out in the Texas Panhandle. I wish
Speaker 1: you luck, safety and strength. Brother, So we probably won't
Speaker 1: hear from you at the end of the show. Jimmy
Speaker 1: James is still on the line. There's still time for
Speaker 1: you if you're hearing us live at about quarter to
Speaker 1: nine here Eastern time, quarter to no excuse me, quarter
Speaker 1: to ten pm Eastern time, okay in the US here
Speaker 1: on a Friday, the sixteenth of August. Okay, so we're
Speaker 1: still live, and Aaron Franz is coming up at ten
Speaker 1: pm Eastern with the Age of Transitions, followed by Uncle
Speaker 1: at eleven pm Eastern. So with the last fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: or so, B Pete, what do you got on your mind,
Speaker 1: and if anybody else calls in and we'll get back
Speaker 1: to Jimmy as well.
Speaker 3: Well, I did want to cover this one story I
Speaker 3: haven't come across to today, and this is a Fifth
Speaker 3: Circuit Court of Appeals made a decision on what is
Speaker 3: something that you know, we never really had to deal
Speaker 3: with before, but with the age of technology that we're at,
Speaker 3: and that's geo fence warrants.
Speaker 2: I wasn't quite sure what these were, but yeah, I
Speaker 2: was in the past.
Speaker 3: I've remembered what these were when they were talking about
Speaker 3: the January sixth riots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have an idea what a geofence. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I have an idea what a geofence warrant is, but
Speaker 1: could you give us a really super fast recap of
Speaker 1: what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this story is carried by Reclaiming the Net
Speaker 3: doctor Or, which is a good site if you want
Speaker 3: to go to to read stories about the surveillance.
Speaker 2: And what they're doing to the net. And these guys,
Speaker 2: you know, they help people when they go to court.
Speaker 1: Reclaim thee Or.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the story is this is category and constitutional.
Speaker 3: That's how the US Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has
Speaker 3: ruled about the use of geofence warrants for part of
Speaker 3: the Constitution, that this type of warrant that enables dragnet
Speaker 3: style mass surveillance violates the Fourth Amendment. The court found
Speaker 3: this amendment is meant to protect citizens from reasonable searches
Speaker 3: or seizures, but said the Court of Appeals, what geofence
Speaker 3: warrants do is allow for the opposite, general exploratory rummaging.
Speaker 3: This is geofencing works by essentially treating everyone who happens
Speaker 3: to be in a geographic area during a given time
Speaker 3: as a suspect until established otherwise. And this is how
Speaker 3: it's put into use. You had the riots going on
Speaker 3: up there at DC. The Feds went to Google and
Speaker 3: to these phone companies, and they wanted this metadata that
Speaker 3: you've heard people talk about for years now that get stored.
Speaker 3: Oh we're not you know, we're not recording specific stuff.
Speaker 3: It's just the metadata that way they want.
Speaker 2: Here's why.
Speaker 3: What they do is they go and they pull up
Speaker 3: the data from these phone companies or from Google, and
Speaker 3: it's all through your cell phone. These things are tracking
Speaker 3: you everywhere you go unless you take certain precautions to
Speaker 3: cut certain things off or leave your phone at home,
Speaker 3: even when they're off a lot of these things will
Speaker 3: record data. So what they do is they look at
Speaker 3: a specific area, They look at the phone data, and
Speaker 3: they get all of the phone numbers that are associated
Speaker 3: with either web traffic or you know, a lot of
Speaker 3: these apps like Facebook, you have a check in part
Speaker 3: of that app that if you're in a certain place,
Speaker 3: you can say I just checked into the residency in
Speaker 3: in Bogatah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you voluntarily say hey, I was just at this
Speaker 1: ice cream shop and boom, yeah, okay exactly.
Speaker 3: So what they do is they start looking at this
Speaker 3: data and then they start reading out they may have
Speaker 3: two hundred numbers. They start going through the two hundred
Speaker 3: and they start checking, Okay, what were you doing there?
Speaker 3: Where else did they go? What else did they do?
Speaker 3: Did they make any purchases? Did they do anything that
Speaker 3: could be considered nefarious or court found that that's too
Speaker 3: broad of a spectrum to just be able to mass
Speaker 3: surveil a certain area. It's and here the Electronic Frontier Foundation,
Speaker 3: a digital rights group, an outspoken critic that often gets
Speaker 3: involved in these legal cases. They argued against this method
Speaker 3: of investigation and they welcome the court's decision noting that
Speaker 3: people should not have to fear having their phone with
Speaker 3: them in public because that could turn them into a
Speaker 3: criminal suspect.
Speaker 2: And here's the deal their stance on geofence warrans.
Speaker 3: Camess has deliberated a specific case in the United States
Speaker 3: versus Smith, and this is revolving around the police in
Speaker 3: Mississippi in twenty eighteen resorting to obtaining this type of
Speaker 3: warrant to investigate an armed robbery and assault that took
Speaker 3: place in a post office. Google, which is who law
Speaker 3: enforcement agents turned to with these warrants, most of the
Speaker 3: time obliged turning over data from phones to the police,
Speaker 3: who then managed to produce two suspects and later they
Speaker 3: charged these two suspects, says. But even though it was
Speaker 3: decided not to suppress the evidence because it found the
Speaker 3: police were acting in good faith while geofencing was still
Speaker 3: a new phenomenon, the Fifth Circuit Court doesn't think it's
Speaker 3: even lawful in any way. So one of the problems
Speaker 3: side of I judge is that the police access the
Speaker 3: sensitive location data collected during the process of geofencing is
Speaker 3: highly invasive since it can reveal a lot about a person,
Speaker 3: including their associations and also lets the police follow them
Speaker 3: into private spaces, meaning spaces either on the web or
Speaker 3: private spaces as a particular location. You were at this
Speaker 3: person's house, so therefore now we can go and dig
Speaker 3: into that person. It creates this huge net that doesn't
Speaker 3: mean any of the criteria for normal warrants, and you know,
Speaker 3: these warrants never specify a particular You have to have
Speaker 3: probable cause in most cases to get a warrant to
Speaker 3: go in look at somebody's data.
Speaker 2: In this case, there's no probable cause.
Speaker 3: It's simply being in a certain location at a certain time,
Speaker 3: and they're saying that that's not sufficient enough to be
Speaker 3: able to open up a phisient expedition. We'll be able
Speaker 3: to look at all of these cases where they have
Speaker 3: used this to January sixth riots, the BLM ryots, the
Speaker 3: pipe bomb scandal that's going on about January sixth, they
Speaker 3: tried to use geo fencing. Let's say people investigating that
Speaker 3: from the outside have tried to get the information of
Speaker 3: phone data, which is available for Google and varieton if
Speaker 3: you want to pay for it or you have means
Speaker 3: of getting it. Suddenly that information was corrupted so you've
Speaker 3: got all these January six cases where people are now
Speaker 3: going to be filing appeals based on them using geo
Speaker 3: fencing to put Grandma Smith in the lobby of the
Speaker 3: capital at two o'clock when she shouldn't have been there,
Speaker 3: and then they go arrest for six months later she
Speaker 3: ends up paying one hundred and three thousand dollars in
Speaker 3: fines for simply praying in the rotunda the Capitol and leading.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what they're using this information for.
Speaker 3: Now you talk about them, I guess this would be
Speaker 3: a big attack on Big Brother and the government's ability
Speaker 3: to go and use this information. Maybe we're starting to
Speaker 3: see things turned back towards private pection.
Speaker 1: Yeah you wish from this, Yeah, you wish it. Look,
Speaker 1: because it's so expansive, it's not going to go there. Look,
Speaker 1: you can't get out of this this mess right now,
Speaker 1: not with something like this. It's not going to do it.
Speaker 1: The problem is it goes well beyond okay, normal world,
Speaker 1: forget about the digital and electronic normal world. Right you
Speaker 1: need probable cause, yes, and everybody gets stuck on the
Speaker 1: probable cause issue. Okay, go past it. Imagine that that's
Speaker 1: all good, and you got probable cause to request that warrant.
Speaker 1: When you request a warrant, though, generally speaking, as far
Speaker 1: as I have always understood it, you have to be
Speaker 1: after a specific thing. So speciificity in what it is
Speaker 1: you're searching for is the other element. Nobody bothers to
Speaker 1: mention here. Okay, and that's the thing. Okay, I want
Speaker 1: to go search Bpeat's house. Okay, fine, you have a
Speaker 1: specific place. I have a probable cause to believe that
Speaker 1: Bpet's house has stuff in it from a criminal activity. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: what stuff do you want? Hunt? I can't go in
Speaker 1: there and say, well, look, i'm gonna take his computer
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking maybe his computer's got some stuff on it. No,
Speaker 1: I have to say, look, the computer would have data
Speaker 1: because he used the computer. I would have to say
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a weapon. Because a weapon was used.
Speaker 1: I would have to say what kind of weapon it is?
Speaker 1: Not just do I find a slingshot or a gun
Speaker 1: or a knife. No, I have to find something that
Speaker 1: was involved in this crime, which means I need something
Speaker 1: that does this. I can't just say well, I want
Speaker 1: his computers and I want to find out if he's
Speaker 1: got other stuff. In there, like, did he record anything
Speaker 1: of himself? So I'm going to look at all of
Speaker 1: his tapes. You know, he's got old school cassette tapes
Speaker 1: in that house. He still uses them. Don't know how
Speaker 1: he does it, but he does. So you know what,
Speaker 1: I want all of his cassette tapes. I can't do
Speaker 1: that because I don't have a cost.
Speaker 3: It would be like it would be like the cops saying,
Speaker 3: we have suspected criminal activity going on in this apartment
Speaker 3: complex at this apartment, but what we want is a
Speaker 3: warrant to be able to lock down and search the
Speaker 3: entire ten story, ten apartment.
Speaker 2: Per floor.
Speaker 4: Building.
Speaker 3: So we're basically looking to go into one hundred apartments
Speaker 3: to search because individuals in this complex know each other
Speaker 3: and therefore they could be moving materials or money or
Speaker 3: data that they shouldn't have, So we need to check
Speaker 3: the whole place out.
Speaker 2: And no lawyer, I mean no judge is going to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm giving you.
Speaker 3: Free reign to lock down a building and search every
Speaker 3: apartment in that building.
Speaker 2: And this is even on a grander scale.
Speaker 3: You're talking about thousands of people that were in Washington
Speaker 3: when this went on. It become that little bit of
Speaker 3: info of knowing that you were standing at this corner
Speaker 3: at one o'clock. They can follow you everywhere you go
Speaker 3: from then on. How once they're aware of your number,
Speaker 3: you're sunk. And they're doing it now.
Speaker 2: That's why they're why they're sweeping up all the data
Speaker 2: that they can.
Speaker 1: But they've been doing this message, right, But they've been
Speaker 1: doing this, and they've been saying it's because look, we
Speaker 1: had access to the data. They granted it to us,
Speaker 1: and we have the you know, communication acts here for
Speaker 1: this and this and this, which allow us access to
Speaker 1: it all. Okay, it allows you access, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you have specific access to everything. And here's the
Speaker 1: other deal. You and I go to Dallas, right, and
Speaker 1: we're at the you know, we're at the conference in Dallas.
Speaker 1: We are now around people from all over the country
Speaker 1: and in fact, all over the world. We are in
Speaker 1: the presence now of people that came over from the UK.
Speaker 1: We're there. This other guy came from Canada. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: some people came from you know, two blocks away in Texas. Okay.
Speaker 1: So now, because they decided to track you know, one
Speaker 1: guy from Oklahoma, he was now in proximity to all
Speaker 1: of us. So does that mean that they have the
Speaker 1: ability to track anybody who came in contact with him, Well, yep,
Speaker 1: it does. If you use this, everybody was at that
Speaker 1: conference is now eligible to be searched. Pretty much. When
Speaker 1: you know, a guy might have robbed a gas station
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma six months ago and then decided to go
Speaker 1: to the JFK conference. It's got nothing to do with
Speaker 1: you and me.
Speaker 2: Zero no. I mean.
Speaker 3: Another instance was that let's say we had who was
Speaker 3: the guy that came over from the UK to speak.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's say he and I were talking Johnny Cars and.
Speaker 1: The guy who had tattoos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, let's just say, hey, I'll contact
Speaker 3: you later. Text me your email address. Yep, so I
Speaker 3: text him my email address. Okay, everything's fine. Let's say,
Speaker 3: either in the future or back six months ago, this
Speaker 3: guy was under surveillance in a faisal warrant because he's
Speaker 3: a foreigner. Now all of a sudden they see, oh
Speaker 3: wait a minute, he's trading data with this phone number.
Speaker 3: Let's look at that phone number and see where it's
Speaker 3: going and who it's in contact with, and so that
Speaker 3: one little.
Speaker 2: Thing can open the door.
Speaker 3: Even though the FISA, the FISA warrants are not supposed
Speaker 3: to allow our CIA to spy on domestic citizens, it
Speaker 3: still gives them that avenue to get to my data,
Speaker 3: and from my data behind the scenes, they can track
Speaker 3: the thousands of people. I mean, if they got a
Speaker 3: hold of my contact list from people through the work
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I probably have two hundred phone numbers that.
Speaker 3: I may have texted with or called in the past
Speaker 3: four years, just from different contractors working.
Speaker 2: On my job. So suddenly you can have one number.
Speaker 3: Blossom into thousands of numbers depending on how the person
Speaker 3: uses their phone, and you just opened up that can
Speaker 3: of worms for them to go and look at everything.
Speaker 1: Amazing the reach of something like this, right, my old
Speaker 1: defunct email addres had over six hundred addresses in it
Speaker 1: that were acquired from nineteen ninety six to twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: So you know, what are you gonna do if you
Speaker 1: got data exchanged with that old email address, which was
Speaker 1: the Lycos address I had at Boom. It's messed up.
Speaker 1: There's so many people connected to it anyway, really fast.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give Jimmy James the final word on tonight's show,
Speaker 1: But I just wanted to take sixty seconds to throw
Speaker 1: this one at you. I was brought up as a
Speaker 1: person of interest and possibly could have been called to
Speaker 1: testify in the Malfour Bird Sanctuary incident right years ago
Speaker 1: because I was in contact on Facebook with a guy
Speaker 1: trying to get an interview. And it turned out that
Speaker 1: I was in contact first with the guy who ended
Speaker 1: up getting shot, you know, Malvoy, that guy Mac whatever
Speaker 1: his name was there, the guy they called the cowboy,
Speaker 1: the guy, the tart man anyway, Leevoy, Finnckham okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: whatever his name was. The point is I was in
Speaker 1: contact with him and with James what do you call it,
Speaker 1: Patrick Okay. And so because I was there and in
Speaker 1: contact with them, they had my number, had my Facebook account,
Speaker 1: and had all this stuff, and I was entered into
Speaker 1: evidence as a possible person of interest eligible to be
Speaker 1: called to testify. I was trying to conduct a radio interview,
Speaker 1: you know, very simple they could have, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's I assume somebody figured that out finally, but initially, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was notices and everything. Anyways, It's just one of
Speaker 1: those things that happens. And I had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with that bird sanctuary. The only thing I did is
Speaker 1: try and tell them, guys, I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: good idea and you need more media coverage there, which
Speaker 1: I had said publicly already, But they chose to go
Speaker 1: with the one guy who you know, wound up giving
Speaker 1: them all kinds of evidence and somehow got off on
Speaker 1: a I'm part of the media anyhow. That's a whole
Speaker 1: other story.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I never understood he got off on that part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he shouldn't have. He was participating in the event,
Speaker 1: he wasn't just covering it. If you were there with
Speaker 1: a camera and you know, passively, just then I would
Speaker 1: say you deserve protection that you're part of the media.
Speaker 1: You're covering it, even if you're all media whatever. Uh
Speaker 1: you know you wrote press on the back of your
Speaker 1: of your jacket. I get it. But once you start
Speaker 1: participating in those events, you're no longer the objective bystander.
Speaker 1: So anyways, I say we give the final word to
Speaker 1: Jimmy James because we're actually all out of time and
Speaker 1: I want to give aaron to Mike next. So Jimmy, uh,
Speaker 1: your final shout out for the week. It's all on you.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, You'll get the final word on this Friday
Speaker 1: Night O'Kelly effect open mic.
Speaker 2: All at a rip.
Speaker 8: David, there was Jamon Tal spanked Jamonts what I mean?
Speaker 8: He worked at Fellows with solo and he was dealing
Speaker 8: with Jack RUPI this is the Dallas and no look up.
Speaker 2: Some pick you and I have a bat.
Speaker 1: Absolutely you too, Jimmy James, and a shout out to
Speaker 1: you for being a supporter caller. All that shout out
Speaker 1: to Harlan as well and all of you for listening.
Speaker 1: B Pete, I thank you for co hosting yet another
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