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<v Speaker 1>Weirding Way Media.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to episode one hundred and thirty six of the

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<v Speaker 2>Film Youmentaries podcast. This is your host, Jamie Benning. A

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<v Speaker 2>bit different to usual. This is not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>an interview episode. This is going to be a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a rambler episode. But I thought it was about

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<v Speaker 2>time I gave you an update on our trip to

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<v Speaker 2>Martha's Vineyard. We did in June to continue to shoot

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<v Speaker 2>our Joe Al's documentary, which we've been working on since

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. So the project kind of really began

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<v Speaker 2>when I interviewed Joe for the podcast this podcast back

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one, and Joe is known for Jaws

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<v Speaker 2>and close encounters, but what became apparent to me when

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<v Speaker 2>I was interviewing him is that there's so much more

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<v Speaker 2>to his life and career. So we thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the same vein as the interviews I did with

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Barkley, the puppeteer, Robert Watts and Evil Power, the

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<v Speaker 2>producers that my friend and cameraman Patrick Tindall, and I

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<v Speaker 2>decided that maybe Joe was worth the same treatment. So

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<v Speaker 2>like a thirty minute short documentary. Now we always say

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<v Speaker 2>we have the most fun of all the jobs we

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<v Speaker 2>do in a year. When we do these little projects,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always great to you know, go and visit these

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<v Speaker 2>people and talk to them about their long careers, both

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<v Speaker 2>off and on camera, create friendships, and also find out

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<v Speaker 2>things that maybe aren't out there in the public domain,

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<v Speaker 2>things that would interest us if we saw them in

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<v Speaker 2>a documentary or you know, read them in an article

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<v Speaker 2>or or heard them in a podcast. So back in

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<v Speaker 2>March twenty twenty two, we traveled over to Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>We managed to get a bit of money together to

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<v Speaker 2>go out and see Joe, and on the way over

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<v Speaker 2>on the plane, we were kind of laughing with each

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<v Speaker 2>other about, you know, how do we get ourselves into

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<v Speaker 2>these situations, and that we hope that Joe, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>still had some stuff from his career. And when we

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<v Speaker 2>went to visit Evoor a couple of years prior, he

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<v Speaker 2>had some old annotated scripts from Alien and Blade Runner,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were annotated with some Ridley grams, and he

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<v Speaker 2>had some bits from two thousand and one, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the patches and a piece of the fabric from the spacesuits,

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<v Speaker 2>from the astronauts' suits, and he had like the tape

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<v Speaker 2>of the things you see in them monitor display in

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<v Speaker 2>both Alien and Blade Runner. They recycled those, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were hoping that Joe would have some stuff too.

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<v Speaker 2>So we arrived in Los Angeles, we booked ourselves into

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<v Speaker 2>a crappy motel with all of our gear, chained it

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<v Speaker 2>all up with bicycle locks and put it in an

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<v Speaker 2>awkward place so that hopefully nobody would steal it, and

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<v Speaker 2>we drove over to the north west of Hollywood to

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<v Speaker 2>go and see Joe, and as we pulled up at

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<v Speaker 2>his house, he was standing leaning up against his car,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, instantly recognizable there he is, said, Baddie, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in this kind of enthusiastic voice, and immediately he was

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<v Speaker 2>super welcoming. It was just so welcoming. And at this time,

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<v Speaker 2>when was it, It was like, yeah, So March twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>We were still COVID testing then, and we'd done multiple

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<v Speaker 2>tests leading up to the trip. We did one I

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<v Speaker 2>think I did one on the plane, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>did one that morning to make sure that we were

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<v Speaker 2>still negative. And we said to Joe, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>we've got masks. He said, no, no, don't worry. You've

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<v Speaker 2>shown me that you've done tests. And then negative, come in,

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<v Speaker 2>make yourself at home. And we went into the house

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<v Speaker 2>and we met his lovely wife, Jerry, and his daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think our cousin was there visiting, and we

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<v Speaker 2>met the dog, and immediately we just felt at home.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they made us feel very welcome, and the

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<v Speaker 2>house is full of like amazing character, just like you'd

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<v Speaker 2>ex back from somebody who's an artist and a production designer.

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<v Speaker 2>And to cut a long story short, it was apparent

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<v Speaker 2>that he did have a lot of things in his

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<v Speaker 2>possession from his career, including blueprints, storyboard sketches, photographs. There

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<v Speaker 2>were like polar or continuity polaroids, and it was apparent immediately,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Paddy and I kind of looked at each

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<v Speaker 2>other and silently communicated, this is not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a thirty minute documentary. This could be a feature. And

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<v Speaker 2>we've always talked about maybe trying to do a feature

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<v Speaker 2>at some point. So over the next five days we

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed Joe. We've got some amazing stories. We got, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of ones that he often would tell on

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<v Speaker 2>the podcast, but we got also stories that we never

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<v Speaker 2>thought we'd hear, and we saw some of those incredible

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<v Speaker 2>items that we never expected to see as well. And luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>Joe's a bit of a hoarder. He's kept so much

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<v Speaker 2>of his artwork, so much of what connects him to

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<v Speaker 2>those films. They're kind of like these physical memories, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of living history. While we were there, I

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<v Speaker 2>also managed to get permission to shoot at the Academy Museum,

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<v Speaker 2>right next to Bruce who's hanging there from the ceiling.

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<v Speaker 2>And to have Joe stood there in front of that

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<v Speaker 2>shark telling us about his experiences. It was a proper,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, spine tingling moment. So fast forward to March

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, we managed to get out to la

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<v Speaker 2>again thanks to the fact that Paddy was already out

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<v Speaker 2>there working. He had his kit with him, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a matter of me getting over there, paying for

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<v Speaker 2>my flights and the hotels and stuff. And again we

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<v Speaker 2>spent time with Joe, but we also visited his colleague

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<v Speaker 2>and friend, Roy arbergast special effects wizard down in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>That was like a twelve hour round trip, but so

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<v Speaker 2>worth it. We interviewed Dennis Prince, Joe's biographer, Taylor Hackford,

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<v Speaker 2>who's a director Joe worked with. He's married to Helen Mirren,

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<v Speaker 2>and we interviewed him in their back garden in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 2>We went to visit Greg Nicotero his creature shop. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a friend of Joe's and says that Joe was a

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<v Speaker 2>big inspiration to him and also a huge Jaws fan.

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<v Speaker 2>And we also went to see Jeffrey Kramer, star of

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<v Speaker 2>Jaws and Jaws two, at his house in la He

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<v Speaker 2>was very welcoming and accommodating and fun to be around.

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<v Speaker 2>And we went up to northern California to interview Kevin Pike,

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<v Speaker 2>another special effects wizard who Joe employed on Jaws. Nice

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<v Speaker 2>story behind that as well, which he may have heard

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<v Speaker 2>on the podcast before, which started off Kevin's career. He

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<v Speaker 2>famously went on to build a DeLorean fall back to

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<v Speaker 2>the future. At the time up in northern California, it

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<v Speaker 2>was very snowy. He'd been snowed in in his log cabin.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're the first We were the first visitors

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<v Speaker 2>that he had for a couple of weeks. So the

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<v Speaker 2>project was basically getting bigger and bigger, but we still

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<v Speaker 2>knew we had a ton of work to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people take six months to a year to

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<v Speaker 2>do these things working in full time, and really at

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<v Speaker 2>that point we'd only just had two weeks on it.

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<v Speaker 2>So at that time we'd only really had two weeks

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<v Speaker 2>to work on it. We've gathered some amazing footage, some

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<v Speaker 2>amazing views as a wonderful b roll, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're always trying to push to the next step. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the order of things, but no, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember things the order of things exactly. I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>this off the top of my head. But we did

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<v Speaker 2>do a Kickstarter campaign where we hoped to raise eighty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand pounds I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we got forty two forty three, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you know. But with kickstars, if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't reach your goal, you don't get any of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, that eighty thousand figure was a number

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<v Speaker 2>we've kind of worked out roughly what we'd need. I mean, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want a proper audio mix on a documentary

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<v Speaker 2>for a cinema release, you could pay double that just

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<v Speaker 2>for the audio mix. So I thought eighty gram was

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<v Speaker 2>the reasonable amount we could really have done with that

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<v Speaker 2>forty two thousand, But no, we didn't get it, But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we carried on so in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>we were working on editing, We were putting comps together,

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<v Speaker 2>just getting a feeling of what was missing, what else

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<v Speaker 2>did we need to do. We spoke to some editors

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<v Speaker 2>and producers. We had a bunch of meetings with producers

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<v Speaker 2>who said they could probably sell it, but the message

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<v Speaker 2>was that we really needed to finish it first. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>gone other days where one of the big streamers would

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<v Speaker 2>say yes to a concept and give you money up front.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was on us to try and push on

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<v Speaker 2>as much as we could, you know, and it can

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<v Speaker 2>be complicated sometimes. You know, Paddy works away, I'm working

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK, we're not He lives.

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<v Speaker 3>In Northern Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>I live in London, and we're both trying to co

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<v Speaker 2>direct this and we both got our own ideas and

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<v Speaker 2>we've both got our kind of joint ideas of what

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<v Speaker 2>the film should be. So it's very difficult to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of push it forward in any great leaps. But we

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<v Speaker 2>did make some really good progress putting like a reel

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<v Speaker 2>together to try and share internally, and we've had some

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<v Speaker 2>amazing reactions from people in the industry saying they love

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<v Speaker 2>it and they wish they could do more. To help

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<v Speaker 2>and all this kind of stuff, but it does mean that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the feel of the piece, the feel of

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<v Speaker 2>the documentary is something that we've managed to communicate to people,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, it really felt like, you know, it definitely

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<v Speaker 2>had legs, which was a which was a great thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Patty and I had always talked about the fiftieth anniversar

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<v Speaker 2>of Jaws maybe as a point where we could try

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<v Speaker 2>and release the documentary, but that was back in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two that we were saying that, and it became

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<v Speaker 2>apparent that we were not going to reach that and

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<v Speaker 2>probably it's probably probably a good thing because there's loads

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<v Speaker 2>of draw stuff being done for the fiftieth and the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary about Joe could easily been buried. La rom Bouseureau

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<v Speaker 2>had that Jaws at fifty documentary coming out. There's all

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<v Speaker 2>the celebrations going on, the Academy Museum stuff, So we

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<v Speaker 2>kind of knocked that idea on the head. But what

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<v Speaker 2>we did think that is, if Joe is going to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the vineyard for the fiftieth, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>be there, you know, to to shoot kind of Joe's legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Really in our minds, it was the part of the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary that would allow us to talk about Joe's legacy

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<v Speaker 2>and how fifty years later the film is still loved,

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<v Speaker 2>still adored, people are visiting all of.

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<v Speaker 3>That kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So it became apparent that I just wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to afford to do this. The flights alone

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<v Speaker 2>were looking expensive. Then you've got to hire a car,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you've got the ferry, and then you've got

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<v Speaker 2>accommodation on the island, and the island is a very

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<v Speaker 2>expensive place to be. You know, once you're on the island,

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<v Speaker 2>they kind of got you. Everything just costs that a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more. I hadn't been there previously, but Paddy had,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was one of the things he came back with,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that if you have money in your pocket,

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<v Speaker 2>they'd find a way to get it out for pocket.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I wasn't going to be able to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Paddy was talking about going there as as a punter,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just as a fan, but it's so difficult

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<v Speaker 2>for me. I've got you know, I've got three kids,

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<v Speaker 2>ones about to go to university. At this point. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a very expensive way to live. It's not like I've

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<v Speaker 2>more of his. But the incredible generosity of people had

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<v Speaker 2>put in us to make this film. Some were friends,

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<v Speaker 2>on the film Youmentary's Quest for many years, some of

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<v Speaker 2>people who listened to the podcast. Some were people I

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<v Speaker 2>quite moved to see how many people are putting in

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<v Speaker 2>money in, even a few strangers. People I had no

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<v Speaker 2>idea who you were. Must have came across the project

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<v Speaker 2>and decided to put money in. Amazing, So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>this Ranby podcast episode. I've since found out the bad news,

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<v Speaker 2>which is I'm probably going to be taxed on that income,

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<v Speaker 2>without that incredible generosity, to go from zero to being

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<v Speaker 2>short period of time was just kind of mind blowing,

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly it still hasn't quite landed in my brain

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<v Speaker 2>yet just what we managed to pull off. So I

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<v Speaker 2>quickly got a scheduled together of interviews and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a shot list and the time we were going to

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<v Speaker 2>him because he had commitments. He was on the island

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<v Speaker 2>for this fiftieth event with Michael Forlcher, so he had

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<v Speaker 2>commitments there. Each night he had one at the Martha's

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<v Speaker 2>Vineyard Museum where he was doing a podcast, and then

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<v Speaker 2>biography by Dennis Prince that was just out at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>But we had, you know, some key things we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do with Joe. So on that Wednesday I headed

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<v Speaker 2>up to Easthrow Airport to meet Paddy and we headed

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<v Speaker 2>to Boston. We arrived about four o'clock I think that day,

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<v Speaker 2>and we picked up We met up with the taxi

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<v Speaker 2>the ferry to Martha's Vineyards, and we arrived very late.

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<v Speaker 2>The traffic was rubbish and we managed to squeeze on

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<v Speaker 2>to the very last ferry that night, and there was

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<v Speaker 2>our seven bags between the two of us, just four hands,

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<v Speaker 2>but seven bags. Because we've got all the kit, tripods, cameras, lenses,

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<v Speaker 2>gone eleven, I think. So by the time we got

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a fath but we got in and

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<v Speaker 2>the house was great, a couple of bedrooms, a nice

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<v Speaker 2>what we realized is we needed to stay kind of agile,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes we did have these things that we wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do, but what if an opportunity came up. We

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<v Speaker 2>trying to sort things out. So on that first morning

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<v Speaker 2>we went to the local diner and edgar Town. It

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<v Speaker 2>was about a twenty five minute, twenty minute walk into Edgartown,

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<v Speaker 2>and when you arrive, you just, you know, you instantly

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<v Speaker 2>realize you're kind of in the film, you know. I've

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<v Speaker 2>looked at that film so many times, having made Inside

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<v Speaker 2>Jaws as well as this project. And you walk around

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<v Speaker 2>and you've got those picket fences and the boarded houses,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a gorgeous sunny morning as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>we went into the diner and we waited for our friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and after a few minutes of perusing the menud, we

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<v Speaker 2>were starving by this point. Joe and Jerry and his

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<v Speaker 2>bark for Dennis came in and Dennis's wife as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was all hugs and kisses and handshakes and

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<v Speaker 2>lots of big smiles, and everyone was happy to see

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<v Speaker 2>each other again and embark on this next little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of the adventure. Joe was on good form, cracking a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of jokes at the table, and on that first

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<v Speaker 2>day it was difficult not to be kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>bit rudderless because we were just trying to work out

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<v Speaker 2>what we could do, you know, And Michael kindly invited

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<v Speaker 2>us to the Jaws fiftieth event for the guests before

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<v Speaker 2>the actual sort of signing and Q and A event

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<v Speaker 2>was happening the following night, so we went to see

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<v Speaker 3>Don't think Greg was there yet. With Jeffrey voorhe's the kid.

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<v Speaker 2>Marty Milner, who also worked on the movie as a

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Super grateful to Michael Fulture for that opportunity. We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>end up shooting anything at that fiftieth event. It was

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<v Speaker 2>were able for one of those nights to use it

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<v Speaker 2>as a bit of a base and you know, touch

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<v Speaker 2>base with Joe and talk about what we could do,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in the following days. And that first evening

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<v Speaker 2>we walked around egg a town down by the dark,

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<v Speaker 2>and we bumped into a few people who were wearing

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<v Speaker 2>Jaws T shirts and had a chat with a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of people who actually recognized me from my filmingmentaries from

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. And we had a nice long chat on

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<v Speaker 2>the road and we were talking about the documentary, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere was just kind of electric there because everybody

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<v Speaker 2>was there for that common reason that, you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>love of the movie. And it was really warm and

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<v Speaker 2>really welcoming, friendly atmosphere. So from that Thursday to the

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<v Speaker 2>Monday when we left, we did not stop. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we woke up, we went to the diner. Some days

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<v Speaker 2>we met Dennis and Joe and Jerry, and other days

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<v Speaker 2>we just ate and we jumped in the car and

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<v Speaker 2>we went shooting. We shot some color in Edgar Town

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<v Speaker 2>with Joe and without Joe. He was due over at

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<v Speaker 2>the museum for part of a podcast with Michael Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we later joined them at the museum and

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<v Speaker 2>Joe was still in the middle of his podcast, and

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<v Speaker 2>we were told by the museum that we couldn't shoot there,

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<v Speaker 2>despite having contacted them earlier and it being a possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>explain the city situation that we were just there with

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and we just needed a couple of shots, but

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<v Speaker 2>they just weren't interested. But they were pretty accommodating and

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<v Speaker 2>letting us go and see the exhibition there, which was cool,

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<v Speaker 2>and then later on we were able to shoot in

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<v Speaker 2>by a very friendly guy named Court Carino. We met

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<v Speaker 2>him and his lovely wife, who got very emotional because

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<v Speaker 2>we managed to introduce Court to Joe. Joe had just

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<v Speaker 2>walked out after the podcast and he came to meet us,

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<v Speaker 2>and there we were at this Orca interior which was

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<v Speaker 2>main museum, and Court was kind of blown away. He

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<v Speaker 2>got to show Joe, you know, the guy who'd originally

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<v Speaker 2>who if you don't know, he has been a guest

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<v Speaker 3>So it's great to see him.

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<v Speaker 2>And we got to sit in the Orca, me, Paddy

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<v Speaker 2>with Court, the guy who created who rebuilt this interior

420
00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:21.680
<v Speaker 2>and talk about you know, the aging of it and

421
00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:26.279
<v Speaker 2>all the items in the in the cabin and ask

422
00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Court why he was doing it, and you know it's

423
00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:32.559
<v Speaker 2>going to be Court's office actually, which is quite funny. Anyway,

424
00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:35.119
<v Speaker 2>Court was a super nice guy and his wife, who

425
00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:37.319
<v Speaker 2>really did get emotional. We had a big hug and

426
00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.720
<v Speaker 2>she was so grateful that the opportunity just to meet

427
00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Joe was there for Court. She could see what it

428
00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:47.039
<v Speaker 2>meant to him, and it was just a great atmosphere.

429
00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Just it was a total loving, honestly at yours loving.

430
00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:53.359
<v Speaker 2>So as each day passed, we continued our ritual of

431
00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:56.680
<v Speaker 2>visiting the diner, working our way through the menu, making

432
00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.599
<v Speaker 2>notes in our pads about the day ahead, what we

433
00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:01.680
<v Speaker 2>could do, what we couldn't do, what we wanted to do,

434
00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and what we hoped to do. And so during that

435
00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.599
<v Speaker 2>five days that we were there, we ended up in

436
00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:10.240
<v Speaker 2>the famous town hall. By stroke of luck, we bumped

437
00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:12.440
<v Speaker 2>into somebody who invited us in and we shot in there.

438
00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:17.319
<v Speaker 2>We took Joe to Mnemshire where Quint's Shack was built,

439
00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:20.359
<v Speaker 2>and you know that plot is still empty, and Joe

440
00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:22.920
<v Speaker 2>took us up the hill like oh, I went up

441
00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:24.799
<v Speaker 2>here fifty one years ago and we just followed him

442
00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:27.839
<v Speaker 2>with a camera and we got these just so charming,

443
00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:30.960
<v Speaker 2>these moments with Joe just walking up the hill looking

444
00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.079
<v Speaker 2>for the spot where Joe originally looked down on that

445
00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:35.880
<v Speaker 2>really charming fishing village and chose it as the location

446
00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:39.240
<v Speaker 2>and suggested it to Stephen. We were right there, you know,

447
00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:41.000
<v Speaker 2>with Joe, with the man who did it. Fifty one

448
00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:44.319
<v Speaker 2>years later, we went to the Fourth of July Beach,

449
00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:47.799
<v Speaker 2>the Jaws Bridge, that book signing that was talking about

450
00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:50.400
<v Speaker 2>the Egg of Town bookshop, and it was great to

451
00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:54.480
<v Speaker 2>see Joe. You know, he always turns it on. He's

452
00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:56.799
<v Speaker 2>really charming and as is Dennis.

453
00:22:56.839 --> 00:22:58.279
<v Speaker 3>You know, they do it. They're like a great little

454
00:22:58.319 --> 00:22:58.839
<v Speaker 3>duble act.

455
00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.240
<v Speaker 2>So interviewed Marty Milner, the guy who I said worked

456
00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.279
<v Speaker 2>on construction, very eccentric character.

457
00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:08.559
<v Speaker 3>We interviewed Charles de la.

458
00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Za Rica, who is really good at kind of putting

459
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:15.599
<v Speaker 2>the movie landscape with the context a context of the documentary,

460
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.200
<v Speaker 2>and they're talking about the film culture at the time

461
00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:21.759
<v Speaker 2>and just where the movie business was, and it's a

462
00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:24.319
<v Speaker 2>good setting for some of Joe's stories.

463
00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.200
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's great to.

464
00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:28.759
<v Speaker 2>Finally meet Charles like in person and hang out with

465
00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:30.319
<v Speaker 2>him and some of his friends that he was staying

466
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:32.119
<v Speaker 2>there with. He was there just as a fan, and

467
00:23:32.160 --> 00:23:34.319
<v Speaker 2>now he's part of a documentary, which I couldn't be

468
00:23:34.359 --> 00:23:37.359
<v Speaker 2>happy about, honestly. We also hung out with two guys

469
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:41.359
<v Speaker 2>who were making a documentary about Jeffrey Voorhees. That was

470
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:45.279
<v Speaker 2>good fun. They were nice guys. And we're also accompanied

471
00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:47.759
<v Speaker 2>by one of Patty's friends who we'd known since they

472
00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:50.079
<v Speaker 2>were kids and who was a Jaws fan. And he

473
00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.160
<v Speaker 2>come down for a few days and was soaking up

474
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:55.319
<v Speaker 2>the atmosphere and just enjoying the fact that he got

475
00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:57.440
<v Speaker 2>to meet all these Jaws folks. You know, we were

476
00:23:57.480 --> 00:24:02.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of his VIP ticket. We're also lucky enough to

477
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:08.119
<v Speaker 2>bump into Laurent Bouceau. I just interviewed him the week before,

478
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>two weeks before for the podcast about his Jaws at

479
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:14.000
<v Speaker 2>fifty and he was just sitting on this bench out

480
00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:19.640
<v Speaker 2>the back of the fiftieth anniversary venue and we took

481
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>him down to the dock just where Richard Drapus's character

482
00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:27.119
<v Speaker 2>arrives in the movie, and we interviewed Laurent, and yeah,

483
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:29.359
<v Speaker 2>it was great to sort of soak up some of

484
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:33.440
<v Speaker 2>that enthusiasm that was going on around the around the

485
00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:35.839
<v Speaker 2>island at the time. And I'm very grateful to Laurent

486
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:39.599
<v Speaker 2>for giving us his time as well. He's a great

487
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.519
<v Speaker 2>filmmaker and a really good guy. That was one of

488
00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:44.240
<v Speaker 2>the very few evenings actually where we had a bit

489
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:47.160
<v Speaker 2>of bound time for some food and a drink and

490
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:48.440
<v Speaker 2>a laugh, and the rest of the time we were

491
00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:52.759
<v Speaker 2>just putting our kit together, disassembling it, transferring footage from

492
00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:56.880
<v Speaker 2>cars to laptops, charging Mike's, sorting out everything for the

493
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.400
<v Speaker 2>next day. It was pretty full on, but it was

494
00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:02.240
<v Speaker 2>just pure Lynn, you know. I also have to say

495
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:04.799
<v Speaker 2>that throughout this Jerry has been fantastic. She used to

496
00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:08.240
<v Speaker 2>be a production manager and an assistant to Taylor Hackford,

497
00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:11.279
<v Speaker 2>and she's been great at making lots of connections, including

498
00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:13.519
<v Speaker 2>Taylor Hackford when we were there in twenty twenty three,

499
00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:16.240
<v Speaker 2>and helped us with the Academy Museum where we shot

500
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:20.240
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two, and then she managed to chat

501
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:24.400
<v Speaker 2>to Richard Drafus's manager. I asked if we could get

502
00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:26.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, like twenty five minutes half an hour with

503
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Richard beforehand, we kind of decided that perhaps we didn't

504
00:25:29.799 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 2>need Richard for the documentary because you know, his experience isn't.

505
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:35.839
<v Speaker 3>Hugely related to Joe's work.

506
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:38.079
<v Speaker 2>But if we you know, we were there, he was there,

507
00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:40.160
<v Speaker 2>if we could get him to talk about Joe, that

508
00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:43.039
<v Speaker 2>would be fantastic. So a few days into the trip,

509
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:45.799
<v Speaker 2>I got a text from his manager saying, yes, you

510
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:47.880
<v Speaker 2>can have Richard for twenty five minutes, pick a location

511
00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>and let us know he has to be before this

512
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>time because he has to be at the fiftieth event.

513
00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:55.240
<v Speaker 2>So thankfully we were able to shoot at a friend's

514
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.240
<v Speaker 2>house on the island, and we set up in the

515
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:03.640
<v Speaker 2>driveway of this house, nice little quiet road, picket fences

516
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:05.720
<v Speaker 2>and all that, because I had such a nice little

517
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:09.759
<v Speaker 2>background where you could see like you know, those paneled houses.

518
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, it really felt like Amity. Well it was,

519
00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:15.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. So me and Paddy and Charles and some

520
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:17.759
<v Speaker 2>of his friends were pacing around for a little while

521
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.480
<v Speaker 2>waiting for Richard to arrive, and then suddenly there he was.

522
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, he got out of the car. You know,

523
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:25.440
<v Speaker 2>he's not a young man anymore. We're all getting old.

524
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:28.079
<v Speaker 2>But you know, as soon as you see him smile,

525
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:30.960
<v Speaker 2>there's absolutely no doubt that you're looking at Richard Dreyfus,

526
00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:32.240
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I have to say it was a

527
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>bit of a buzz, you know, probably the biggest name

528
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.279
<v Speaker 2>I've ever interviewed. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it

529
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 2>must be. And then he sat down and his manager

530
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>had said that he'd been talking about Joe on the

531
00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:43.759
<v Speaker 2>drive over and they had a good couple of stories.

532
00:26:44.319 --> 00:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>So we sat him down, we miked him up, and

533
00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:50.559
<v Speaker 2>we started the interview. Now, you know, Richard has these

534
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:53.640
<v Speaker 2>stories and over the years he's talked about, you know,

535
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:56.759
<v Speaker 2>the Shark is not working and all of that stuff

536
00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:00.319
<v Speaker 2>with Robert Shaw. But we really wanted him to becaus

537
00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:04.599
<v Speaker 2>in on Joe's contribution, you know, picking Eggo Town and

538
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:07.880
<v Speaker 2>his first reactions when he arrived as an actor. What

539
00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:10.400
<v Speaker 2>does that do being in an environment like that, or

540
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.160
<v Speaker 2>walking into Quince Shack for the first time seeing what

541
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Joe and his colleagues are built. But Richard really wanted

542
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.000
<v Speaker 2>to talk about Robert Shaw. So for the first half

543
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:22.359
<v Speaker 2>of the interview, maybe more, he was talking about his

544
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.799
<v Speaker 2>reactions to Robert Shaw, and I was kind of constantly

545
00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.519
<v Speaker 2>trying to get back on track. But Richard really wanted

546
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 2>to say these things, and he wanted us to hear them,

547
00:27:31.200 --> 00:27:33.559
<v Speaker 2>so I'm kind of editing in my head, and actually

548
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:36.000
<v Speaker 2>we've got a good few minutes of him talking about

549
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 2>stuff that is related to Joe, not only on Jaws,

550
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:41.440
<v Speaker 2>but about close encounters as well, which of course they

551
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>both worked on. Sometimes these older guys they do go

552
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>off piece. You know, they've got their kind of repertoire

553
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:50.279
<v Speaker 2>and they have to run through that first. I wish

554
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.519
<v Speaker 2>we had a bit more time with Richard. Unfortunately he

555
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:55.079
<v Speaker 2>had to go, and I was a little bit disheartened when,

556
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, I couldn't steer him back towards the subject

557
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.839
<v Speaker 2>of Joe out. But you know, it's not every day

558
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.200
<v Speaker 2>you get to interview a bit of a cinema legend, really.

559
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's Richard Bloody Dreyfuss sat there in front

560
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.200
<v Speaker 2>of me, smiling at me and engaging with me, and

561
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.000
<v Speaker 2>there is some great stuff that we got. You know,

562
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.559
<v Speaker 2>some of it isn't good for the documentary, but the

563
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>release he signed says I can use that footage on

564
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>my podcast on my YouTube channel, So look out for

565
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 2>that stuff coming in the future as well, you know.

566
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:25.920
<v Speaker 2>So looking back at the trip as a whole. I mean,

567
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.000
<v Speaker 2>it's incredible that we even got there. There was a

568
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.400
<v Speaker 2>point where I was just saying that I just can't

569
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>afford to do it. I just can't go. I couldn't

570
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:40.000
<v Speaker 2>justify it. But to make the trip, actually make it,

571
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 2>actually go there, and to have all of that kindness

572
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.839
<v Speaker 2>and warmth in those donations to the GoFundMe, it's just incredible.

573
00:28:48.119 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 2>People's incredible generosity and that trust and that love I

574
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 2>felt from people who were just willing to part with

575
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.240
<v Speaker 2>the hardened cash to see this project progress to the

576
00:28:57.240 --> 00:29:00.559
<v Speaker 2>next step. You know, we boarded the very that last

577
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.799
<v Speaker 2>day and there was Joe and Jerry and in the

578
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.279
<v Speaker 2>queue and a bunch of other fans we could see

579
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.720
<v Speaker 2>wearing T shirts and it was just a bit of

580
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>a whirlwind. We had not stopped working. We just didn't

581
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 2>have downtime. We were constantly working. I don't even remember

582
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>going to bed at night, honestly, I just remember I

583
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 2>was asleep before my head hit the pillow.

584
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:20.680
<v Speaker 3>I think.

585
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:23.440
<v Speaker 2>And each morning, just wake up, grab a coffee in

586
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the house, go through our routine, go to the diner,

587
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 2>work on what we were going to do. So none

588
00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:32.720
<v Speaker 2>of this, I mean, I still don't think it has

589
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:34.920
<v Speaker 2>really landed in our minds yet, just what we were

590
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:38.079
<v Speaker 2>able to achieve on the island, and also just the

591
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:42.079
<v Speaker 2>experience of just being there in a place where they

592
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>shot Jaws, you know, fifty one years ago, back in

593
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:48.519
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy four, and be there with Joe and Dennis

594
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:52.480
<v Speaker 2>and Jeffrey and Marty and Richard and all of those

595
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.839
<v Speaker 2>people who were there back then making this film, just

596
00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:56.519
<v Speaker 2>doing a job. You know, they had no idea that

597
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:58.400
<v Speaker 2>it was going to take off to be this incredible

598
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:03.880
<v Speaker 2>worldwide blockbuster and industry defining movie. You know, we've made

599
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:08.079
<v Speaker 2>so many friends along the way, But sitting on this ferry,

600
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, holding our tripods and cameras and sound gear

601
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.160
<v Speaker 2>and miscellaneous cables being rocked by the gentle waves, we

602
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of looked at each other, Paddy and I, and

603
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:20.119
<v Speaker 2>we just couldn't compute how cool an experience it had been.

604
00:30:21.680 --> 00:30:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Each time we see Joe and Jerry, you know, that

605
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.720
<v Speaker 2>bond gets stronger and the trust gets stronger.

606
00:30:27.319 --> 00:30:27.480
<v Speaker 3>You know.

607
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 2>One of the things about this project is that we

608
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>really have kind of fallen in love with Joe and

609
00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Jerry and his daughter and their dog, and we kind

610
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 2>of have this responsibility to make the film. You know,

611
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 2>Joe is eighty nine. None of us are getting any younger,

612
00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:44.480
<v Speaker 2>and we really want to get this finished, to be

613
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>able to show Joe and to have this as a

614
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>mark of his legacy and for his family and future

615
00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 2>generations to be able to, you know, appreciate what Joe

616
00:30:54.200 --> 00:30:57.000
<v Speaker 2>did and for the fans to see what an amazing

617
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:00.319
<v Speaker 2>career he had. I'm sure this part of show that

618
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.400
<v Speaker 2>things come on. Guys, bloody, get on with it. You've

619
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:05.079
<v Speaker 2>been doing this for four years because he is one

620
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 2>of those guys, you know, always forging ahead. He's always

621
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 2>looking to the next project or the next part of

622
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 2>the project. Maybe less so now he's retired, but he

623
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.400
<v Speaker 2>still has that in him, you know, that shark like

624
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>attitude of keep swimming forward. And we take inspiration from that,

625
00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, nudging the project forward little by little. But

626
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:28.200
<v Speaker 2>this Martha's Vineyard Trip had been a huge leap forward.

627
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 2>It really had. You know, there's that saying that you know,

628
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the more you know, the more you realize what.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And the more we create this film, the more we

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<v Speaker 2>realize how much more we have to create. But that

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<v Speaker 2>just spurs us on you know that wonderful footage of

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<v Speaker 2>Joe walking around Martha's vineyard to you know, him dipping

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<v Speaker 2>into a drawer and pulling out and Escape from New

635
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<v Speaker 2>York storyboard in his house, and the story is about

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<v Speaker 2>Disney and Jews two and Jaws three and working with

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<v Speaker 2>John Carpenter. You know, there's still a lot of work

638
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<v Speaker 2>to do, and there's still funds to be raised. But

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<v Speaker 2>our next target is to get some money in the pot,

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<v Speaker 2>to be on standby, to be able to take an

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity when it arises. And what we're doing is we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to try and get Dean Coundy, the cinematographer who

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<v Speaker 2>worked on Escape from New York, John Carpenter who directed

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<v Speaker 2>Escape from New York, and starman Joe who worked on

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<v Speaker 2>both of those. Leah Thompson, who Jaws three was her

646
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<v Speaker 2>first film and she, you know, she saw Joe at

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<v Speaker 2>convention a few years back and get with a big

648
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<v Speaker 2>hug and said, this is the man that got me

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<v Speaker 2>in the movies. But the big one, Steven Spielberg himself,

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to try and get. We've got connections to

651
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<v Speaker 2>all of these people in some form or another, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try and attack that from multiple angles.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe if Steven's over here in the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>we can get him, then maybe we can go to

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<v Speaker 2>La again, you know, if we can raise the funds,

656
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<v Speaker 2>and it certainly won't be as expensive as the Martha's

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<v Speaker 2>Vineyard trip, because you know, you can find somewhere cheap

658
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<v Speaker 2>to stay in La. We could even crash at Joe's

659
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure if we needed to. But wouldn't it be

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<v Speaker 2>great to just get Stephen and Joe on camera just

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<v Speaker 2>talking about old times. It's kind of been a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a dream of ours since since we started the project.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have kind of relaunched the go fund me

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<v Speaker 2>over the last week or so. There's a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a drip feed of money coming in maybe I think

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<v Speaker 2>about one hundred pounds so far, which is great, again

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to everybody's generosity, But we really do need your

668
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<v Speaker 2>help again because you know, studios aren't going to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fans that are going to do this. And we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't got an endless pot of money, and I'm sure

671
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<v Speaker 2>you haven't either, But just a little donation, if enough

672
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<v Speaker 2>of you give a little donation, that could mean that

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<v Speaker 2>we could get out there we could interview Stephen and

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<v Speaker 2>Dean and Leah and John and it would just bring

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<v Speaker 2>so much to the project. So if you want to

676
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<v Speaker 2>have a look at gofund me, just search for gofund

677
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>me and Joe out and I'll leave it in the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes as well the link to that. I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>super grateful if you consider contributing to the documentary again

680
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<v Speaker 2>or for the first time. If there's anybody out there

681
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<v Speaker 2>as well that wants to be involved outside of the

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<v Speaker 2>go fund me, as maybe an executive producer who's got

683
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.880
<v Speaker 2>a bigger donation that we could talk about, then yeah,

684
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<v Speaker 2>give us a shout. Info at filmnumentaries dot com. That's

685
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<v Speaker 2>the email address you can reach me on. I should

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<v Speaker 2>also say good news that one of the editors that

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<v Speaker 2>we were chasing, who's a mutual friend of ours, we

688
00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 2>spoke to him for the first time a couple of

689
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.639
<v Speaker 2>years ago. I think about the project and how we'd

690
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<v Speaker 2>love to have him involved, but unfortunately he's just too

691
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<v Speaker 2>busy to work. He's great, he's a great editor, great guy,

692
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<v Speaker 2>and thankfully he has plenty of work. But what he

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<v Speaker 2>has done is suggested a edit assistantly work with who

694
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<v Speaker 2>really wants to make the leap to features, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>willing to kind of get the project in some shape

696
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<v Speaker 2>for us, So we've recently sent him the drives. He's

697
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<v Speaker 2>getting it all in the avid and transcribed, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're really excited to see what he's going to put together.

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<v Speaker 3>It's great to have him involved.

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<v Speaker 2>And the that I was talking about as well is

701
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<v Speaker 2>going to work with us editorially, but just not do

702
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<v Speaker 2>the editing because he wants to see the project made

703
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<v Speaker 2>as well. And it's just this mutual love we have

704
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<v Speaker 2>for you know, this subject, and it's people like us

705
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<v Speaker 2>that are going to do it. Like I said before,

706
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<v Speaker 2>there's nobody else going to make this documentary, so we

707
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:18.800
<v Speaker 2>need to do it and we need your help. So

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<v Speaker 2>if you can help, be super grateful. It's amazing to

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<v Speaker 2>think back at you know, at the start, back in

710
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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one, when I interviewed him and then us

711
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<v Speaker 2>visiting la in March twenty twenty two, the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>getting Spielberg and Carpenter and Kundy and Thompson would have

713
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<v Speaker 2>seen completely out the realms of what we're able to achieve.

714
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<v Speaker 2>But now we've got I think something like fifteen interviews

715
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<v Speaker 2>in the bag. Oh there's one I didn't mention. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>when we're in Martha's vineyard. You remember the girl who

717
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<v Speaker 2>shouts shark shark, shark, shark in the pond, Well, that

718
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.039
<v Speaker 2>was Joe's girlfriend at the time. He was dating her

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<v Speaker 2>whilst he was on the island. You know, that was

720
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<v Speaker 2>his private life. But we did interview her and a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a reunion between the two of them when

722
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<v Speaker 2>we were at Michael's event and they talked about some

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<v Speaker 2>of those experiences.

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<v Speaker 3>That was cool.

725
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, getting Spielberg and co. Would have been totally

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<v Speaker 2>out of the realms of something that we thought we

727
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<v Speaker 2>could achieve. But we've got those fifteen interviews in the bag,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're getting some wonderful feedback from that trailer that

729
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<v Speaker 2>we're sharing internally. The reason we're sharing it internally, by

730
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<v Speaker 2>the way, is because we don't have copyright for public

731
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<v Speaker 2>posting of that of that trailer because it uses copyright

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<v Speaker 2>music and visuals.

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<v Speaker 3>But we just want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Share it with people internally in the industry to get

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<v Speaker 2>some feedback and to show people the quality of the

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<v Speaker 2>thing we're putting together. And I have to say, each

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<v Speaker 2>time I watch it, if I have a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks away from from it, I go back to it

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, wow, I want to see that. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what continues to spare us on. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what we want to see, and have really embraced

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of idea from both personal point of view

743
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<v Speaker 2>and also for the documentary itself, about making your own luck.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Joe was able to maneuver his way up

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<v Speaker 2>and through the industry pretty quickly out of particular jobs

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<v Speaker 2>where it would have been difficult to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>next rung of the ladder, and he sort of skipped

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<v Speaker 2>the rungs of the ladder. And I like that idea

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<v Speaker 2>of making your own luck. You know. I've had a

750
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<v Speaker 2>pretty amazing couple of years with now writing for Lucasfilm

751
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<v Speaker 2>and visiting Skywalker Ranch and go to Martha's Vineyard, interviewing

752
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<v Speaker 2>Richard Dreyfuss, and you know, so many highlights that are

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<v Speaker 2>there because we've just kind of made it happen. We've

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<v Speaker 2>made our own luck along with the you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>generosity of people who follow what I do.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just been great.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm hoping that next year or so that we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to have a documentary to show you folks,

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<v Speaker 2>you might take longer than that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't put a date on it yet because it

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<v Speaker 2>depends on so many things. It depends on raising these

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<v Speaker 2>extra funds getting back to LA. Who knows what's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen in the next year or so. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like to contribute, check the gofund me and the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes, visit for me inimentaries dot com. Keep an

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<v Speaker 2>eye on Jamie SWB on Twitter or x film youmentories

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram of Facebook. Yeah, and thanks for listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this little bonus ramblier episode. And I'll be back twice

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<v Speaker 2>each month, two episodes each month of the podcasts as

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<v Speaker 2>you would normally expect it with some interviews. I've got

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<v Speaker 2>some great ones lined up in the coming months. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to be going under the knife in the next week,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to be out for the count for

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<v Speaker 2>a good week or so. They're recovering. But yeah, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that the two episodes a month are going.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want to support that as well, Patreon

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<v Speaker 2>dot com, forward slash Jamie Benning and yeah, I look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to hearing some feedback from you and hope you

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<v Speaker 2>can join me for the next episode of the Film

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<v Speaker 2>Your Entries podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We are Gekauay Media

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