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Speaker 2: watched the latest episode of Chris McDaniel's America, then you
Speaker 2: may have missed that we changed things up a little bit.
Speaker 2: I have been trying to schedule time in Chris's busy
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Speaker 2: do an interview. Well, we decided we would do that
Speaker 2: interview on Chris McDaniels America and then we would release
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Speaker 2: agreeing to the interview. We sit down and we have
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Speaker 2: do the traditional opening to Chris McDaniels America, and everything
Speaker 2: that follows this quick little introduction here will sound more
Speaker 2: like a traditional Chris McDaniels America episode. But I am
Speaker 2: excited to finally get this interview and sit down with him.
Speaker 2: I talked to him about the Charlie Kirk assassination. I
Speaker 2: talk with him about his future and a lot of
Speaker 2: other stuff in between. So folks get ready enjoy as
Speaker 2: I have an interview here with Chris McDaniel.
Speaker 4: Welcome to another episode of Chris mcdanel's America here on
Speaker 4: the Midnight Ride Network. You're home of the anti establishment
Speaker 4: movement in this country. With me as always, Jack Fair
Speaker 4: child's Jack. How do you do?
Speaker 2: I'm dooing all right, Chris, how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good. I missed last week's episode. Work had me,
Speaker 4: you know, completely covered, but I'm happy to be back.
Speaker 4: The shame of it is, I've missed so many good
Speaker 4: and tragic events that we could have discussed, and so
Speaker 4: today I think we'll handle some of that with an
Speaker 4: over and arching theme to this video, this over arching
Speaker 4: theme to this show. It's been recognized, I think by
Speaker 4: most rational humans that America appears to be unraveling. If
Speaker 4: not unraveling, certainly we are at eyes with one another,
Speaker 4: neighbor against neighbor, division, religion, sociology, philosophy, everything seems to
Speaker 4: be an eyes. So we find ourselves in a dangerous
Speaker 4: moment in this country's history. Certainly it seems, you know,
Speaker 4: you always read about this build up to eighteen sixty
Speaker 4: one and how the country was so divided, and it
Speaker 4: was divided, and it caused a significant war in eighteen
Speaker 4: sixty one. But you know, even that division, we had
Speaker 4: more in common than divided us. You can't see that
Speaker 4: this time. And I'm not suggesting there's going to be
Speaker 4: some civil war or some breakout of violence, and no
Speaker 4: one wants to see that anyway. I'm just suggesting that
Speaker 4: if there was ever a moment around history that we
Speaker 4: need to really be introspective about our direction and where
Speaker 4: we are as a people. This is probably yet violence
Speaker 4: of people and no real cohesion. Seems we don't have
Speaker 4: a lot in common with our friends or enemies, as
Speaker 4: the case may be on the other side of the
Speaker 4: political aisle. I hate to use that word so flippantly,
Speaker 4: but it just feels like we're at that point. And
Speaker 4: so the question today is BEGT is liberty the problem
Speaker 4: or is it the solution? As we discussed this today,
Speaker 4: we're going to invert things, change things up just a
Speaker 4: bit because since I missed last week, Jack was thinking
Speaker 4: and he would interview me on these subjects. So instead
Speaker 4: of me reading the news and giving an opinion on
Speaker 4: the news, Jack's gonna ask me questions about the news,
Speaker 4: and we're going to comment on it and talk about
Speaker 4: it as rationally as we can. What you'll get today
Speaker 4: from me is an opinion, not so much a news
Speaker 4: oriented hit piece, but the way I see patterns, the
Speaker 4: way I see the world, the way I see this
Speaker 4: country falling to pieces, and what can be done to
Speaker 4: save it, because I do believe there are ways we
Speaker 4: can save it. It may be unconventional to what you're
Speaker 4: accustomed to, it may change the way we all have
Speaker 4: been thinking about government in our lives, but I do
Speaker 4: believe there's a way to save it. So Jack, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna turn it over to you. Ask the questions as
Speaker 4: you see fit, and remember as we come back toward
Speaker 4: the end of the show today, the answer is can
Speaker 4: we save it? That's the question toward the end of
Speaker 4: the show. Okay, what do you have?
Speaker 2: Well, Chris, you know, first off, thanks for this. This
Speaker 2: is something you and I've talked about for a while.
Speaker 2: Doing this will probably be the same. We'll probably use
Speaker 2: this episode for the Right Side later this week as well,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate you your openness to being an interview,
Speaker 2: especially on your own show. So first, you know, again,
Speaker 2: you were out last week when the big news Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk's assassination dropped. Tell me what you were thinking when
Speaker 2: you heard the news, Where were you when you heard
Speaker 2: the news, and just just kind of walk us through
Speaker 2: that moment when you've heard about a political assassination on.
Speaker 4: An airplane flying across the country, I would like to
Speaker 4: say that I found it shocking, and it was shocking
Speaker 4: in its orientation, but it wasn't surprising. You know, I've
Speaker 4: been in politics now for a long time, and I've
Speaker 4: made some very controversial speeches and says some very controversial
Speaker 4: things in my attempt to write the show, to do
Speaker 4: what I could to make a difference in this country.
Speaker 4: And I have had death threats on many occasions. I've
Speaker 4: had security, private security on many occasions. So I know
Speaker 4: the violence is out there. I know the threats are
Speaker 4: out there. I always saw it as a possible thing
Speaker 4: that could happen to me or or someone else that's
Speaker 4: speaking their mind. Of course, Charlie Kirk had really grown
Speaker 4: his audience and grown his popularity to such an extent
Speaker 4: that he probably attracted an even more extreme element to
Speaker 4: hate him. Sometimes I think that's hard to believe my emails.
Speaker 4: Goodness gracious, there's so much violence and evil out there
Speaker 4: in the world. But I remember thinking through it. Whenever
Speaker 4: security was around me, the threat that we always perceived
Speaker 4: would be a close proximity of threat. You know, no
Speaker 4: one ever thinks about a high powered rifle. So there
Speaker 4: was a lot of criticism of his security. But never,
Speaker 4: at my point in any of our events did we
Speaker 4: ever think about a long rifle shot. It was always
Speaker 4: a short pistol, a knife, a physical assault, or something
Speaker 4: of that nature. And so when it happened, I was
Speaker 4: shocked like everybody else. But you also know that this population,
Speaker 4: as angry as they are, especially the Left, that they're
Speaker 4: going to be prone from time to time to take
Speaker 4: out their frustrations on people. And this time they did
Speaker 4: it violently. It doesn't surprise me they would act that way.
Speaker 4: It seems part and partial of what their philosophy always
Speaker 4: has been. If they don't get their way, if they disagree,
Speaker 4: they immediately dehumanize their opposition. Have you noticed that. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: It's never a give and take a quick pro quote.
Speaker 4: There's never any real conversation with the left. It's if
Speaker 4: you don't believe like I believe, then you're horrible. If
Speaker 4: you don't believe like I believe, then you must be censored,
Speaker 4: you must be in this sense assassinated, killed. And again,
Speaker 4: the elements within that party and within that philosophy, they've
Speaker 4: always been violent. You go all the way back to
Speaker 4: any socialist inspired movement in the history of the world,
Speaker 4: and yes, fascism and socialism are close cousins. We've talked
Speaker 4: about that we have. Let's not pretend these ideologies don't
Speaker 4: have so much in common. They both subvert the individual,
Speaker 4: they both dehumanize their opposition, and they both find ways
Speaker 4: to use violence to suppress dissent. Both right, that's the
Speaker 4: history of socialism, it's the history of fascism. We saw
Speaker 4: it played out just a few days ago with CHARTERI
Speaker 4: Kirk's assassination. So I watched it, like most of the America,
Speaker 4: I was very upset. I've known Charlie. I've talked to
Speaker 4: him multiple times in my life. We weren't friends, but
Speaker 4: we were political acquaintances, right, And I didn't always agree
Speaker 4: with some of the things he said, but he was
Speaker 4: a conservative, and I valued the things he was saying
Speaker 4: because notin ety nine percent of the time, he seemed
Speaker 4: to be on the right side of the issues.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: He probably felt the same thing about me. He probably thought, Man,
Speaker 4: I don't agree with everything he's saying, but not nine
Speaker 4: percent of the time he seems to be right on
Speaker 4: the issues. So the assassination occurs. When I first saw
Speaker 4: the video footage, you knew I mean, for goodness. Yeah,
Speaker 4: what a disgusting act of violence. And I was praying
Speaker 4: on the plane, thinking on the plane that maybe, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe he would survive.
Speaker 2: Maybe we didn't. It wasn't as bad as what we
Speaker 2: thought it was.
Speaker 4: But you knew, you knew. And so those few minutes
Speaker 4: turned into an hour or so, and then we finally
Speaker 4: got the reports that he had passed from President Trump.
Speaker 4: And at that time I really felt like that was
Speaker 4: a pivotal moment, not so much because it was Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 4: but because there used to be a time when liberal
Speaker 4: ideology was very careful about the way it spoke. I
Speaker 4: think it always harbored violent feelings, but it never quite
Speaker 4: would act on it. It would always you think about
Speaker 4: this phrase, there was a time when liberals did not
Speaker 4: like to be called socialist. Now they're openly socialists al
Speaker 4: to be called socialists. So they've moved so far to
Speaker 4: the left at least now it seems we're starting to
Speaker 4: see the real people right behind the curtain. And I
Speaker 4: remember thinking, wow, this is going to be in pardon
Speaker 4: the Pine. But it is a turning point. It's not
Speaker 4: because this organization was the turning point, or whatever the case.
Speaker 4: May be people saw this, as I think in many instances,
Speaker 4: as the final nail in Old America, our ability to
Speaker 4: be friends across political aisles, our ability to discuss things
Speaker 4: without violence and provocation. And I think maybe this was
Speaker 4: that moment that ended that. The question socially is and
Speaker 4: culturally is will it continue? Will it make us better
Speaker 4: in the long run? Will it ultimately be the one
Speaker 4: weapon against our riots that we were always afraid of.
Speaker 4: We're on that later, and whether or not we as
Speaker 4: a country can figure out a way to get rid
Speaker 4: of political violence once and for all. It was disgusting,
Speaker 4: one of the worst things I've ever seen, But it
Speaker 4: was even worse to watch those knuckleheads celebrated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and again I want to get into the celebration,
Speaker 2: But I have to ask, Chris, because you've had threats
Speaker 2: made on you, does this give you pause to want
Speaker 2: to speak out, to be the Chris McDaniel that we've seen,
Speaker 2: will go anywhere, speak to anyone.
Speaker 4: No, No, you know, Look, I just I don't have
Speaker 4: a spirit of fear, and I never have. Some people
Speaker 4: may say that's crazy, but there's not a chance in
Speaker 4: this water. I'm going to stop doing what I'm doing
Speaker 4: not a chance. I don't fear. I don't go into
Speaker 4: these things for trepidation. I'm strong, I know what I
Speaker 4: I believe. I'm gonna speak my mind. And what happened.
Speaker 4: Going back to celebration, I say, because I think that's
Speaker 4: super important. What kind of personality? What kind of evil
Speaker 4: do you harbor when you celebrate someone's assassination. You may
Speaker 4: disagree one hundred percent with what that person believes, but
Speaker 4: what about common humanity? What about just the idea that
Speaker 4: you know that that guy has a mom and a dad,
Speaker 4: and and and children and a wife, the idea that
Speaker 4: you can move past just that bitterish just for a second.
Speaker 4: And here's what's crazy. The celebration wasn't isolated. There's a
Speaker 4: what's the name of that organization, There's a there's a
Speaker 4: there's a Twitter or an ex for liberals, blue Sky,
Speaker 4: Blue Sky, you know, you go over there and those
Speaker 4: people are literally celebrating out loud, and more importantly, have
Speaker 4: a list of other names. They would like to see
Speaker 4: this kind of thing happen too. And I think that
Speaker 4: is one of the primary differences between us and them,
Speaker 4: is that we don't have that type of violent sentiment
Speaker 4: that runs through our entire movement. We may have outliers
Speaker 4: in the conservative movement that are prone to acts of violence,
Speaker 4: but it seems to be much more prevalent in the left.
Speaker 4: And I hate to use this example, but it's a
Speaker 4: comparison between Christianity and Islam. You know, Christianity may have
Speaker 4: elements of violence within it in smaller numbers, much more
Speaker 4: so than than Islam does. It's like something becomes so
Speaker 4: detached and so certain of their way that they'll do
Speaker 4: anything to maintain superiority. And that strikes me as the
Speaker 4: liberals and this socialist ideology have in common with this
Speaker 4: more radical Islamic movement. But that struck me as well.
Speaker 4: Who celebrates the death of somebody I would never do
Speaker 4: You would ever do it. No common decent human being
Speaker 4: that I know, and I know a lot of people
Speaker 4: would have ever celebrated the death of any number of
Speaker 4: liberals or socialists on the other side of the equation.
Speaker 4: We would have been terrified, yeah, horrified at the act,
Speaker 4: horrified that one of ours could have done it, and
Speaker 4: we would have condemned it. And I keep seeing the
Speaker 4: liberals say, you know, there was that assassination of the
Speaker 4: Minnesota representative. But conservative did condemn that.
Speaker 2: They absolutely didn't.
Speaker 4: See a single person celebrate that.
Speaker 2: Did you know it didn't happen.
Speaker 4: I didn't see it. I looked because I was alarmed
Speaker 4: by that as well. Anytime you walk up with somebody
Speaker 4: and shoot them because of a belief system, you don't
Speaker 4: belong in this country. But hey, isn't that an extension
Speaker 4: of the suppression of free speech? Were already see them
Speaker 4: by these people.
Speaker 2: It is let me think about it.
Speaker 4: You don't tow their line. They consider you to be evil,
Speaker 4: you to do what they say, They want to silence you.
Speaker 4: It's whether it's speech codes on college campuses or hate
Speaker 4: codes in the law. It's always a power struggle with
Speaker 4: these people. And whereas conservatives try to convince people that
Speaker 4: they're correct, liberals always use the force of government to
Speaker 4: do so. That's what makes them particularly dangerous.
Speaker 2: Well, Chris, part of the problem we we see is
Speaker 2: this dehumanization that in the media definitely plays a part
Speaker 2: in it. Again, you can't just Charlie Kirk was called
Speaker 2: a racist, even though I've watched several of his vehicles
Speaker 2: videos have not seen him to be a racist. He
Speaker 2: has called multiple names, and all he was was a
Speaker 2: guy that wanted to invite debate. He wanted to sit
Speaker 2: down with the other side have that conversation, and apparently
Speaker 2: having an active debate with people, especially if you're good
Speaker 2: at it, it's one where their left decides that they
Speaker 2: have to dehumanize you. And the media played a huge
Speaker 2: part in this. If you remember, after Donald Trump's first
Speaker 2: the first assassination attempt on Donald Trump, they said, we
Speaker 2: got to dial back the rhetoric that last me, Chris,
Speaker 2: what about a week?
Speaker 4: Well, let's not remember Barack Obama, and he was an
Speaker 4: excellent speaker. Arter there be a lot of times that
Speaker 4: he would say, let's dogged on the rhetoric, and then
Speaker 4: a week later he would up, Yeah, he's one of
Speaker 4: those guys. He just throws a grenade into a room
Speaker 4: and then he tries to escape before it explodes, and
Speaker 4: this blame somebody for the explosion. It's the same way
Speaker 4: with the American left. So one of the great dangers
Speaker 4: I think we see right now in all of this
Speaker 4: is that we can't and we shouldn't put too much
Speaker 4: emphasis on a single individual. It's much more widespread than that.
Speaker 4: Not only our ability to communicate the message, but the
Speaker 4: ability to understand that everybody now potentially is at risk
Speaker 4: if you have a message, and if we focus solely
Speaker 4: on the Trumps of the world or the Kirks of
Speaker 4: the world and the things that have happened to them,
Speaker 4: we sometimes lose track of the message that they were
Speaker 4: expressing that caused or at least was the cause of
Speaker 4: the violent event that occurred. So you see this race
Speaker 4: now to commemorate Kurt. Nothing wrong with that, But at
Speaker 4: the same time, what does that mean in the overall
Speaker 4: ski of the movement. You can build a monument to
Speaker 4: a man, but if you keep your mouth shut, you've
Speaker 4: done nothing. Yep, you can celebrate a holiday for a person,
Speaker 4: but if you keep your mouth shut, you've done nothing.
Speaker 4: And that's one of the things that I've seen that's
Speaker 4: really been concerning about all of this. Think about the
Speaker 4: establishment GOP, and I'm talking about those old school boys
Speaker 4: that have been sitting there for fifty years watching the
Speaker 4: left growth, watching them dominate the culture, watching them dominate
Speaker 4: the government, and have done nothing to stop the American Left.
Speaker 4: But think about that. You know who they are. The
Speaker 4: reason the American left is flexing is because we allow
Speaker 4: them to flex absolutely all these years of being passive
Speaker 4: country club Republicans, and you know who you are. You
Speaker 4: don't have a principal bone or a backbone in your body.
Speaker 4: You'll do anything for a dollar, you'll cut any backroom deal.
Speaker 4: And you've allowed the left to exert their will on
Speaker 4: Washington and state capitals all over this country. And now
Speaker 4: you're rushing to build monuments to Charlie Kirk. Where's your
Speaker 4: responsibility in all of this because you didn't hold the
Speaker 4: line when you had a chance to hold the line.
Speaker 4: We thank god for folks like Charlie Kirk because they
Speaker 4: were speaking truth to power. And yet the establishment GOP
Speaker 4: has never spoke truth to power. So we're happy when
Speaker 4: Trump comes along. We're happy when Kirk comes along because
Speaker 4: they actually say things that matter. But we never should
Speaker 4: have let it get to this point in the first place.
Speaker 4: Had we held the line in the nineties, in the
Speaker 4: two thousands, have we held the line in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 4: whatever the case may be. When you find strong conservatives
Speaker 4: electum and quit playing paddy cake with the establishment GOP,
Speaker 4: then you'll start making some moves that really benefit everybody.
Speaker 4: But here we are again the entire establishment, rushing to
Speaker 4: the vigils and rushing to the speeches like they've always
Speaker 4: been there with him. He was great because he wasn't
Speaker 4: like them, he men. He was great because he had
Speaker 4: the courage to speak things they wouldn't speak. He was
Speaker 4: great because he would talk about his faith. He would
Speaker 4: talk call this rigid concern to believe. Meanwhile, they're making
Speaker 4: backroom deals behind his back and undercutting them every chance
Speaker 4: they got. Right, So where are we now? Are we
Speaker 4: going to hold a vigil and let the same established
Speaker 4: my GOP cats come in there and speak and take
Speaker 4: credit or not really credit, but they show you how
Speaker 4: sorry they were, when in fact, a lot of this
Speaker 4: not the assassination the government as a whole. The growth
Speaker 4: of the government as a whole falls on their shoulders.
Speaker 4: So I'm concerned about how all this transpires henceforth. Charlie
Speaker 4: Kirk's a good man, has a good family. He needs
Speaker 4: to be honored because of that. But we also find
Speaker 4: honor and action. I hope that makes sense to people
Speaker 4: out there. You can't just go to a vigil and
Speaker 4: then not vote during the next election. You can't just
Speaker 4: post some cool things on Facebook and then not support
Speaker 4: conservative candidates in the next election. And how often have
Speaker 4: we seen that? Think about it?
Speaker 2: Far too often.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Chris, go on and jump out there, man,
Speaker 4: I got you back. Then you call them you want
Speaker 4: to knock some doors. Oh, I'm too busy to knocked doors.
Speaker 4: Can I get one hundred dollars? Oh? I wish I
Speaker 4: could help you. Oh, but they'll go to a vigil.
Speaker 4: You see the problem action? And you and I have
Speaker 4: been talking about action for twenty years. What will you
Speaker 4: do now that the devil is steering you right in
Speaker 4: the face. That's the question, and they are.
Speaker 2: And that leads to me and to my next question. Chris,
Speaker 2: do you think this is a wake up call for conservatives?
Speaker 2: Let me think this is the line in the sand. Well,
Speaker 2: they will get involved in.
Speaker 4: You would think something would eventually tipt the dominoes over.
Speaker 4: I mean, think about it. It's not our loss of liberty.
Speaker 4: It's not a thirty six trillion dollar national Dad. It's
Speaker 4: not the fact that we can't speak our minds in
Speaker 4: our schools or pray to our God. It's not the
Speaker 4: fact that we get ridiculed everywhere we go. I don't
Speaker 4: know what it's going to take. Maybe maybe this is
Speaker 4: this is something that's needed to make sure the conservatives
Speaker 4: wake up. But it should have never come to this
Speaker 4: in the first place. It was an evil act done
Speaker 4: by evil people, and goodness gracious, what do we do now.
Speaker 4: I'm only asking people to not to fight physically, forget
Speaker 4: all that. I'm talking about fighting politically and rediscovering your
Speaker 4: conservative base, rediscovering those impulses and make this country great
Speaker 4: in the first place, American institutions and traditions and faith
Speaker 4: and community and small government and liberty. And that leads
Speaker 4: me to my next question. While I'm complaining, we can't
Speaker 4: hate the liberals so much that we ignore the Constitution.
Speaker 4: What hold on, I'm getting to it. Let's say, let's
Speaker 4: put it another way. You can't hate them so much
Speaker 4: more than you love the Constitution. You gotta love the
Speaker 4: constitution first. And what does that mean in practice? You
Speaker 4: can't curtil their liberties? Yep. You got to respect their
Speaker 4: choices up to a certain point, can't, don't you you do?
Speaker 4: I heard an alarming comment a few days ago, and
Speaker 4: thank god it's been it's been corrected because Poum Bondi indicated.
Speaker 2: I remember, we're not going.
Speaker 4: After hate speech. But she did correct that. I thought
Speaker 4: that was a really you know why move on her part. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but the problem about going after hate speech is is
Speaker 4: that that's protected speech. You say, how's that possible? Well,
Speaker 4: hate speech is subjective, and who decides.
Speaker 2: That's that's my fear. Who does decide?
Speaker 4: Do you want Barack Obama deciding what hate speech is? No,
Speaker 4: do you want AOC demanding or deciding what hate speech is?
Speaker 4: Because if AOC demands what hate speech is, we're cooked.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a different definition than what we believe.
Speaker 4: You're going straight to jail at that point. So remember,
Speaker 4: hate speech is protected speech. The speech that's not protected
Speaker 4: is speech that it cites insights, immediate violence, or immediate
Speaker 4: physical threats. That's different than hate speech. So Bondi did
Speaker 4: clarify that's what she was talking about. But when she
Speaker 4: first said it, I said, oh, no, here we go,
Speaker 4: here we go. We're starting to hate the liberals more
Speaker 4: than we love the constitution, right, And I get you
Speaker 4: got to push back, but it has to be done
Speaker 4: with respect to liberty and individual freedom, consistent with our charter,
Speaker 4: because one day we may not hold the power with
Speaker 4: that federal government, and if you create this bad precedent,
Speaker 4: they're going to come back to harness with it. Am
Speaker 4: I right?
Speaker 2: You're one hundred percent right, Chris. And it is part
Speaker 2: of what makes everything that's going on right now extremely frightening,
Speaker 2: not just because you could be shot merely for engaging
Speaker 2: in debate, but also because if there is a gross overreaction,
Speaker 2: then we could lose potential rights. And again I don't
Speaker 2: have to agree with the liberal but I should be
Speaker 2: willing to fight for their right to say whatever they want,
Speaker 2: because again, that is freedom of speech. We don't need
Speaker 2: to concede and give away because at some point we're
Speaker 2: not going to be the party in power.
Speaker 4: Well, it's not just with speech. Sometimes liberty is a
Speaker 4: very uncomfortable component. And part of what makes it uncomfortable
Speaker 4: is is that what's good for me may not be
Speaker 4: good for you, and vice versa. Yeah, and you find
Speaker 4: elements within both parties that try to control the other
Speaker 4: people and try to control the other party. From my perspective,
Speaker 4: if you're using force to control, coercion to control, big
Speaker 4: government to control, you're on the wrong side of his problem.
Speaker 4: You're on the wrong side of history. It doesn't matter
Speaker 4: if you're a leftist or a conservative, if you're using
Speaker 4: force on a fellow man to control them their thoughts,
Speaker 4: the behavior, their speech, their religion, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 4: you may claim you know better, you may claim you
Speaker 4: did it for the right purposes. But America is not
Speaker 4: built on coersion or force. Heck, I thought we were
Speaker 4: built on a small government concept. And it's the very
Speaker 4: thing the left hates about us, because we do try
Speaker 4: to tell them from time to time that big government
Speaker 4: is not the answer. But let's not forget. Their whole
Speaker 4: movement is predicated on control, so they need big government
Speaker 4: to control. What we have to do is find ways
Speaker 4: to dismantle it so it's not so big, so it
Speaker 4: doesn't exercise quite so much control. And my fear is,
Speaker 4: if we're not careful, we're gonna let these terrifying, horrific
Speaker 4: moments put us in a position where we enlarge the
Speaker 4: government in power of the government, then that very tool
Speaker 4: will be used against us in the future generation. So
Speaker 4: you know, we've got to be careful about using the
Speaker 4: force of government to win these battles when we should
Speaker 4: be winning these battles on ideas alone. And here's the
Speaker 4: big news conservatism is now more mainstream than it was
Speaker 4: just a few weeks ago. I agree, because this happened,
Speaker 4: this tragic event occurred to him, this horrific event, and
Speaker 4: the people out there at least begin to wake up
Speaker 4: and say, you know what, our opposition is a little batty. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they are violent in some respects, and so that elevates
Speaker 4: the I think, the need to get something done more quickly.
Speaker 4: And so now people are talking about conservative ideas openly
Speaker 4: for the first time in some time, without shame, and
Speaker 4: that's a good place to be.
Speaker 2: Chris, before we go have to take a break, I
Speaker 2: do want to ask you again, remove the politicians that
Speaker 2: are there. But what does it say to see that
Speaker 2: many people turn out for a memorial service like that?
Speaker 2: Does that? Is that encouraging that maybe these folks.
Speaker 4: Only only to the extent they take the next that's
Speaker 4: my point, only they take the next step. You think
Speaker 4: about this. We put so much emphasis on a presidential
Speaker 4: election every four years. People will actually come out to
Speaker 4: vote for that, and then the votes that matter just
Speaker 4: as much, if not more, as it pertains to your life,
Speaker 4: your state government. No one wants to get involved, and
Speaker 4: that begs the question if you really want to turn
Speaker 4: things around. If this really is a turning point, then
Speaker 4: it's going to take more effort than attending a vigil.
Speaker 4: Because look, we've been really good at I'm not being critically,
Speaker 4: I promise, but I've been down and have watched from
Speaker 4: the beach these massive trump what do they call these things?
Speaker 2: Vote rallies?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what do they do? All the votes go
Speaker 4: and they get the flags, and that's really neat, but
Speaker 4: it has never won an election. No, it's really cool.
Speaker 4: But all that manpower and money for the gasoline, money
Speaker 4: for the flags, if you chose the right candidate and
Speaker 4: back the right candidate for a US center position or
Speaker 4: a congressional position, you might be surprised how you can
Speaker 4: change this country. So those rallies are fun and they're
Speaker 4: important because there are places we can, you know, share
Speaker 4: camaraderie and share ideas and project those ideas. But it
Speaker 4: means nothing unless you take it to the streets, so
Speaker 4: to speak. Your local counselman matter, your sheriff matters, right,
Speaker 4: your supervisors matter. And you want to let conservatives across
Speaker 4: the board. I'm not talking about you know, Johnny come
Speaker 4: lucky lately, Republicans I'm talking about conservatives, you know, and
Speaker 4: trust I don't know why we can engage at that level.
Speaker 4: So you're right to see these visuals. I love it.
Speaker 4: What now, what do you do now? Do you go
Speaker 4: to the vigil and say, you know, that was a
Speaker 4: great visual, let's go back to work, or do you
Speaker 4: get to work on things that really matter to this country.
Speaker 2: That's the question, and that's that's always the concern because
Speaker 2: we see so many times where people something like this happens.
Speaker 2: They rally for a moment, but then when it matters
Speaker 2: like elections like you're talking about, they stay at home again,
Speaker 2: they or they just don't want to get involved for
Speaker 2: whatever reason. And it's now is the time to choose involvement.
Speaker 2: Now is the time again. If you believe in what
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk was saying, if you believe in what he
Speaker 2: was fighting for, then you should be motivated to action,
Speaker 2: not just to be seen.
Speaker 4: He's a really good man, really good family, and I
Speaker 4: feel so terrible about what's happened to him and his
Speaker 4: mom and his dad, and his wife and his kids.
Speaker 4: And this will be a memory for us, It will
Speaker 4: be a stepping stone for our movement for a long,
Speaker 4: long time. But going back to my original point, what
Speaker 4: will you do now? I mean, look, I'm gonna know.
Speaker 4: I know I'm a pessimist. I get that. But we've
Speaker 4: seen not things quite like this. But we've seen people
Speaker 4: rally and then we've seen them quit. Yep, and they're
Speaker 4: already a little bit, then they'll quit. How far will
Speaker 4: you go? Right? How much you're willing to fight and
Speaker 4: really do something for a change. This is more than speeches.
Speaker 4: It's more than get togethers and cocktail parties. This is
Speaker 4: the call to action for the entire country if you
Speaker 4: value what's left of this country. And I pray for them,
Speaker 4: I pray for that family. I'm so sorry this all happened.
Speaker 4: But now what do we do? Yeah, and that's the
Speaker 4: real question.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think Chris, we're up on the break,
Speaker 2: so I'll take us out for a change. This is
Speaker 2: Chris McDaniel's America. I'm interviewing Chris today and when we
Speaker 2: get back, well, we may shift gears and we may
Speaker 2: finish up on this topic, but we got several more
Speaker 2: topics we want to cover with Chris today.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Chris McDaniel's America. Here on the Midnight
Speaker 4: Ride Network treat today. I think it is anyway, I
Speaker 4: am actually being interviewed by Jack as opposed to just
Speaker 4: talking about news as the case may be. So let's
Speaker 4: return to the scheduled programming and go from there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Chris and I did have one more question on this,
Speaker 2: Charlie kirksa fascination. As always when something like this happens,
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories run wild. You've seen them. You've seen multiple
Speaker 2: folks you know, tap into you know, maybe this is
Speaker 2: why he was shot, Maybe this is it. It almost
Speaker 2: seems like whatever the official story is, even if the
Speaker 2: official story is correct, there are people out there that
Speaker 2: just are never going to accept it and want to
Speaker 2: run with conspiracies. What are you making of some of
Speaker 2: the conspiracy theories that have been thrown out in this assassiny.
Speaker 4: No, I told you when we first started this show
Speaker 4: that I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna tell you why that is, Because if the proof
Speaker 4: is there, I can be convinced. Yeah, But more often
Speaker 4: than not, with conspiracy theories, there's no proof. It's speculation.
Speaker 2: Yea.
Speaker 4: And I guess my training in the law and my
Speaker 4: training because of my Dad, I told you years ago
Speaker 4: that I wasn't allowed to have an opinion or make
Speaker 4: an argument. Let's add sources. That's kind of a funny
Speaker 4: thing he always did. Fine, your position is great. I
Speaker 4: like the fact you've said it. Now, go get me
Speaker 4: two sources. I want to see exactly where you got
Speaker 4: this position. So this is the way I look at it.
Speaker 4: Humans and we're all the same in the sense that
Speaker 4: we don't know really how to calculate and understand tragedy.
Speaker 4: It's hard for us to really understand why these things occur.
Speaker 4: And what if I told you that the world is
Speaker 4: sometimes a very chaotic place. People don't like to assume
Speaker 4: that or to confess that. We believe because it makes
Speaker 4: us sleep better at night that there's a degree of
Speaker 4: control over things. You know, somebody will take care of it.
Speaker 4: You've probably heard that. We hear about all these disasters
Speaker 4: and we always think, well, somebody's going to take care
Speaker 4: of that. Somebody's going to handle that. The reality is
Speaker 4: the world and civilization and countries are very fragile things.
Speaker 4: We don't like to confess that. Secondly, when we see
Speaker 4: tragedy occur to someone as good and wholesome as Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 4: It dawns on us. Heck, we're all kind of at risk, right,
Speaker 4: and it Dawn's also give well, why couldn't they have
Speaker 4: stopped that? And it creates a cycle of uncertainty that
Speaker 4: we try to explain, to rationalize this tragic thing that
Speaker 4: we've seen. Sometimes the answer is really simple. Sometimes the
Speaker 4: answer is just as simple like a maniac kid with
Speaker 4: a high powered rifle shot somebody. Sometimes it's that simple.
Speaker 4: But if we can see that, it makes us feel
Speaker 4: even more insecure because we think, oh my god, if
Speaker 4: it's that simple, why couldn't they have stopped it? So
Speaker 4: our minds raised at the stage there must have been
Speaker 4: a conspiracy or they would have stopped it. It makes
Speaker 4: us feel better to walk down that path, to believe
Speaker 4: there must have been bigger forces at play, when most
Speaker 4: assassinations there are a lot of big forces at play.
Speaker 4: The great majority are just lunatics. Yeah, right, So we
Speaker 4: try to rationalize it. It makes us feel better. And immediately
Speaker 4: after this happened, I start getting tons of text.
Speaker 2: And emails I can imagine, and the emails.
Speaker 4: Run the gambit. This was a conspiracy involving Israel. I've
Speaker 4: seen in the evidence of that this is a conspiracy
Speaker 4: involving leftist radical groups that fall on money to this person.
Speaker 4: This money fundamental to theirst person, and I haven't seen
Speaker 4: any evidence of that. But here's why I thing happens.
Speaker 4: A to rationalize it, to make us all feel like
Speaker 4: maybe somebody really is in control when they're not. Or
Speaker 4: number two, maybe social media is just driving us all crazy.
Speaker 4: Hear large part to hear me out here. The loudest
Speaker 4: voices on social media get the most cliques, The more
Speaker 4: wild eyed the idea, the more clicks it gets. Don't
Speaker 4: think these commentators just sit there and don't speculate about
Speaker 4: how to get more views and how to get more clicks.
Speaker 4: And the answer has been, regrettably, say the craziest thing
Speaker 4: you can say, and once all the other people rush
Speaker 4: to the page, clicks equate to money. Right. It gives
Speaker 4: you that dopamine hit when you start seeing people like
Speaker 4: your post. It makes you feel special and privileged. How
Speaker 4: do you get there? Say something wacky, say something extreme,
Speaker 4: say something over the top. It's like talk radio was
Speaker 4: back in the day when you and I were on it.
Speaker 4: I could have been in some respects and part of
Speaker 4: the most boring radio host in the world. But if
Speaker 4: I say something crazy, everybody talked about it. It's like
Speaker 4: that now times a thousand, and so the first people
Speaker 4: they get heard quickly after something like this are the
Speaker 4: loudest people the conspiracy or any of people, and they
Speaker 4: say things and good people are confused, and then they
Speaker 4: share it, and now you've got this full fledged conspiracy.
Speaker 4: Now the reason I don't think there is in this case,
Speaker 4: and again people are hating on me right now because
Speaker 4: I'm saying I don't think there is. If you help evidence,
Speaker 4: send it, I'll read it. You probably can convince me.
Speaker 4: But I just have to see the evidence. Give us
Speaker 4: a conspiracy, facts, give me some facts. But if there
Speaker 4: is a conspiracy, aren't you implicating the entire state of Utah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Anybody thought about that. I mean, I realize I don't
Speaker 4: trust the FEDS. I don't think anybody should trust the FEDS.
Speaker 4: I haven't trusted the FEDS in like since you know,
Speaker 4: part of the seventeen hundreds, right, yeah, Utah. So all
Speaker 4: these conspiracies and all these Utah law enforcement officers that
Speaker 4: were on the ground that day, that have done the
Speaker 4: investigation that day, that have been with this person or
Speaker 4: had been researching this. Don't you think those individuals, had
Speaker 4: they sensed a broader conspiracy, would be yelling at the
Speaker 4: top of their lungs or we're not hearing it from
Speaker 4: Utau authorities now the Feds. I get nobody trust the Feds,
Speaker 4: but I'm pretty sure you can trust that local sheriff
Speaker 4: there in his deputies in Utah. So no, I don't
Speaker 4: think this is a widespread conspiracy. I think it was
Speaker 4: a lunatic, a madman who was evil. That's something else
Speaker 4: we don't like calling evil evil.
Speaker 2: No, we don't, so we.
Speaker 4: Try to explain it away. He was evil. He got
Speaker 4: radicalized somewhere, more than likely by a leftist. I know
Speaker 4: they're trying to fight that now they say there's no
Speaker 4: proof of that. Well, he didn't go there as a
Speaker 4: young Republican No, okay. So he was there from an
Speaker 4: ideological bend and he shot him because he was theology
Speaker 4: it seems the reason he probably did not share his ideology,
Speaker 4: which is why he was shot. So this guy was
Speaker 4: a radical leftist in my mind, No, a terrorist. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he did that to influence a civilian population or government
Speaker 4: in voke terror. He did it to him vote Tara,
Speaker 4: see what it is. He's evil, but we don't want
Speaker 4: to do that. It makes us feel bad. That's what
Speaker 4: that act was. It was an act of.
Speaker 2: Pure evil, absolutely, Chris, And you're talking about how rationalizing,
Speaker 2: and that's why I wanted to go there before. Of course,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel, late night talk show host, he's been suspended
Speaker 2: by ABC, potentially going to be canceled. Who knows what
Speaker 2: they ultimately do in this scenario. He basically was trying
Speaker 2: to somehow paint the shooter as MAGA influenced in a
Speaker 2: statement he made that was pretty idiotic. And it just
Speaker 2: seems to me that again, and it's not just Jimmy Kimmel,
Speaker 2: because we saw countless liberals, whether it was professors at
Speaker 2: All Miss or Middle Tennessee State or wherever they all were,
Speaker 2: all over the country. You saw comic book authors have
Speaker 2: their entire series canceled because of the hateful, nonsense stuff
Speaker 2: that they were saying in the wake of this assassination.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about that for a second, because you're bringing
Speaker 4: up the topic of council culture. Council culture, everybody's heard
Speaker 4: it by now, and we can't be ignorant to the
Speaker 4: fact that that council culture was not started by our
Speaker 4: side of the equation. We've always been the free speech
Speaker 4: side of the calculation. We've always believed in free expression.
Speaker 4: But universities and talk shows and even Twitter. You do
Speaker 4: realize President Trump was tossed off of a platform because
Speaker 4: of his viewpoints. Yeah, you do realize that conservative writers
Speaker 4: and authors were tossed. All are censored on platforms because
Speaker 4: of their viewpoints. So this council culture thing we didn't start.
Speaker 4: But now we're playing by your rules. And what occurs
Speaker 4: now is I'm not saying it's correct, are right, I'm
Speaker 4: just saying that you know, you reap the wind. Now
Speaker 4: you got to read the world wind, right, you saw
Speaker 4: on the wind. Now you got to read the world wind,
Speaker 4: which is what the liberals have done. So they go
Speaker 4: five six, seven years canceling things, taking image just off
Speaker 4: of a circle, I mean, everything they can imagine they
Speaker 4: canceled and tore down, right, and now they're wonder of
Speaker 4: why this is being kind of placed back in their lap. Well,
Speaker 4: here's let's go over that. As an initial matter. I
Speaker 4: believe in freedom of expression, even if I disagree with it.
Speaker 4: I want to be clear about that. And if government
Speaker 4: imposes a punishment as a result of your speech, that's
Speaker 4: absolutely wrong if government does it, because remember the First
Speaker 4: Amendment does it say what an employer has to do.
Speaker 4: It says what government must do. Yeah, does that make sense?
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 4: It's called state action. So until there's state the First
Speaker 4: Amendment's not really implicated. Let's just be clear about that.
Speaker 4: So these people that were working at this place or
Speaker 4: this place or that place and they lost their jobs.
Speaker 4: So you were at Dunkin Donuts and you posted something
Speaker 4: on your social media account about the assassination, and Duncan
Speaker 4: Donuts says, WHOA, you can't you got to go. There's
Speaker 4: no First Amendment violation there because there's no state action there. Okay, Now,
Speaker 4: if the government punishes you for speaking, that's different. However,
Speaker 4: there are some distinctions there. A university, for instance, that's
Speaker 4: supposed to be a welcoming, wholesome place and depends on
Speaker 4: people to sign up to the university, and a professor
Speaker 4: as says something completely out of line with university policy,
Speaker 4: then the university may very well can take action even
Speaker 4: though it's technically a government entity. The key here from
Speaker 4: a First Amendment expression is that the government can't punish
Speaker 4: you for speaking or take away rights for speaking. However,
Speaker 4: a lot of these folks that got fired, they weren't
Speaker 4: government employees. There were knuckleheads, and here's the way that works.
Speaker 4: They have every right to say what they say, but
Speaker 4: there are repercussions when you say stupid things. If I
Speaker 4: had an employee and they said something stupid like that,
Speaker 4: oh they're gone. They first amend the violation there. So
Speaker 4: part of me was really really happy to see these
Speaker 4: liberals now hunting for new jobs. It's maddening to me
Speaker 4: when you think about the way they phrase their positions.
Speaker 4: They think they should have freedom of speech. Okay, fine,
Speaker 4: but Charlie Kurk was killed because the freedom of speech
Speaker 4: us and you think you're a job to be protective.
Speaker 4: But his life shouldn't have.
Speaker 2: Been Yeah, because you're celebrating it.
Speaker 4: What a weird position that is. But it goes to
Speaker 4: show how inhuman some of these folks have to come.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about that for a second. I've given this
Speaker 4: some thought, some real thought. I saw a British philosopher
Speaker 4: writing about the assassination and writing about American culture. Now,
Speaker 4: whenever the Brits have an opinion about American culture. I
Speaker 4: always listen because the Brits are senseless most of the time,
Speaker 4: but I like to hear what they have to say.
Speaker 4: I mean, we don't want to be lectured by people
Speaker 4: that we tossed out of here a couple of hundred
Speaker 4: years ago, right, especially people like the Brits. But nevertheless, nevertheless,
Speaker 4: his position was this, and I want you to hear
Speaker 4: this because it's really interesting. He says, the problem with
Speaker 4: this country and the reason we're seeing this rise in violence.
Speaker 4: He says, what's predictable because when you grow up in America,
Speaker 4: you're taught from day one that you can be anything
Speaker 4: you want to be. You're taught from day one that
Speaker 4: you can rise past your birth Yep. You're taught from
Speaker 4: day one that any man can be president in this country.
Speaker 4: And you know that gum Joe Biden proved that. He
Speaker 4: proved it.
Speaker 2: But I'm ready for that one.
Speaker 4: You're taught, you're taught all of these things growing up.
Speaker 4: But he said, it provides a problem. Here's the problem.
Speaker 4: He goes, you have this ultimate liberty, and you teach
Speaker 4: kids unrealistic expectations, and he says, they rise or attempt
Speaker 4: to rise past their class, past their birth. You know,
Speaker 4: the British are still very class wise people. You rise
Speaker 4: past your birth, and then what he said, he goes
Speaker 4: you Ultimately something happens, the economic ladder is kicked out
Speaker 4: from under you, or there's some bad luck, maybe there's
Speaker 4: a sickness, maybe there's an illness, and for whatever reason,
Speaker 4: you never quite got to the place that you believed
Speaker 4: you were entitled to get. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: I think it does.
Speaker 4: We get this. You never quite got to the place
Speaker 4: that you thought you were going to get. He says
Speaker 4: that builds resentment and hatred. And he says, you can't
Speaker 4: blame yourself because that would be too self responsible. So
Speaker 4: what do you do? You lash out at society. The
Speaker 4: reason I don't have a boat is because of capitalism.
Speaker 4: The reason I can't pay my bills is because of
Speaker 4: capitalistm The reason I can't do X, Y and Z
Speaker 4: is because of Donald Trump. So he says it creates
Speaker 4: this massive degree of anger and resentment. And he says
Speaker 4: liberty is the problem, not the solution. He says, you
Speaker 4: teach the wrong lessons from birth, and you give people
Speaker 4: too much license, and it creates this dynamic and I said,
Speaker 4: WHOA interesting because a lot of people believe that they
Speaker 4: believe we have too many liberties. I've heard people say that,
Speaker 4: I know we have too many liberties. They never asked
Speaker 4: a follow up question, how do you control those liberties
Speaker 4: except through force, not persuasion, through force and coercion, right,
Speaker 4: which creates tyranny? Yep, forget this. His underlying argument made
Speaker 4: sense initially to me, but then I thought, wait a second.
Speaker 4: We've been We've been teaching our kids that since the
Speaker 4: very inception of this country, when our families came here,
Speaker 4: whether it was Ireland to Scotland in the eighteen thirties.
Speaker 4: They were taught that, but people weren't shooting each other
Speaker 4: over thought. They were taught there, but people weren't mad
Speaker 4: all the time. They were taught you could do whatever
Speaker 4: you want to do in this world. But whenever they
Speaker 4: worst stopped economically, or they didn't aspire or get where
Speaker 4: they wanted to get for some reason, they didn't get
Speaker 4: angry about it and lash out of the system. Think
Speaker 4: about it. This is a new phenomenon. So the question
Speaker 4: is that the American dream and liberty. The question is
Speaker 4: what are we missing now that we had then? That's
Speaker 4: the question. Because we didn't see all these shootings. Then
Speaker 4: you didn't see school shootings and mass shootings, then you
Speaker 4: didn't see all this anger. Then what's different? The question
Speaker 4: is this is going to make all of you mad.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but it's the truth. We have lost the
Speaker 4: most civilizing force that was necessary for America to survive,
Speaker 4: and that's Christianity. Amen, we hear me out. Because I'm
Speaker 4: not a perfect person. I'm a sinner, and I'm not
Speaker 4: good at judging people. Because I know I'm a sitter
Speaker 4: and I've got my own problems. Let me tell you
Speaker 4: something about that. You can't take a population, give them
Speaker 4: all this liberty and freedom, and then remove the variability
Speaker 4: for them to self regulate their own lives and affairs.
Speaker 4: You may think theology is wrong, you may think Christianity
Speaker 4: is wrong, but you got to concede. It gives people purpose,
Speaker 4: It gives them compassion, It makes them care about their
Speaker 4: fellow man, and even when they finally get to that
Speaker 4: point where they can't go any further economically, we're taught
Speaker 4: not to be jealous. We're taught not to be selfish.
Speaker 4: We're taught to know our place because God has a plan.
Speaker 4: There is a peace in that plan that God provides.
Speaker 4: But now what we've done, we've taken a whole generation
Speaker 4: of kids and we've told them God doesn't exist. We've
Speaker 4: taken a whole generation of kids. We've pulled them out
Speaker 4: of church. And like I said, you may think Christianity
Speaker 4: is no good whatever, you have to concede that that
Speaker 4: was the glue that was holding us all together. We
Speaker 4: didn't hate each other then because we were taught not
Speaker 4: to hate, right, We didn't think the other sign was
Speaker 4: evil because we knew what evil was.
Speaker 2: We still had disagreements, we were able to be civil
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 4: Now, when you remove that component, which is a civil
Speaker 4: you may think it's not, it is a civilizing component.
Speaker 4: It makes us less barbaric to act with compassion and
Speaker 4: care and grace and understanding and forgiveness. We all know
Speaker 4: we stink, we all know we're sinners, but we at
Speaker 4: least treat each other with a degree of forgiveness and compassion.
Speaker 4: But you remove that from a population and now you've
Speaker 4: got bitterness and resentment and hate. And then you bring
Speaker 4: up Christianity and they hate you even more because you
Speaker 4: dared even mention it. We're not trying to impose it.
Speaker 4: We're not trying to force it. That would be antithetical
Speaker 4: to everything in this country. We're just suggesting that it
Speaker 4: had its purpose in a free society. And by the way,
Speaker 4: our founders thought that as well. They really believe that
Speaker 4: you couldn't set people free without some civilizing factor. So
Speaker 4: they were self governed. The way I once put it,
Speaker 4: there are two constitutions that govern this country. There's one
Speaker 4: in Washington Old part Arch under some glass, and the
Speaker 4: others on your heart. Your heart, and you can be
Speaker 4: free so long as you self governed responsibily. But if
Speaker 4: you don't self governed responsibly, chaos, anarchy, violence, bitterness, hatred,
Speaker 4: and ultimately perhaps the disunion of this country could occur.
Speaker 4: That's what we're missing, Amen, And it shouldn't be pushed
Speaker 4: by force, no persuasion, persuasion, but people should understand that
Speaker 4: this current path we're on, I don't think is sustainable.
Speaker 2: Chris, before I switch gears, you know you've seen with
Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimball's suspension, Stephen Colbert being announced that they're not
Speaker 2: renewing his show, the left has tried to turn these
Speaker 2: two rich liberal elitists into martyrs. I mean, you see
Speaker 2: it time and time again, where they just they think
Speaker 2: that these guys are going to be a moment that's
Speaker 2: going to elevate them. Were first off, Stephen Colbert was
Speaker 2: costing his network outrageous amounts of money and they weren't
Speaker 2: getting enough return. Jimmy Kimball wasn't. He wasn't a ratings
Speaker 2: johnt either, and they didn't They hadn't fired him as
Speaker 2: of yet. The term is he suspended indefinitely, probably going
Speaker 2: to get fired, but that hadn't happened yet. What do
Speaker 2: you make of them trying to make folks like this,
Speaker 2: elitists that don't really connect with common people, into their martyrs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I've never liked the concept of martyrs,
Speaker 4: especially like that. I mean, Charlie Kirk lost his life,
Speaker 4: they lost a talk show. I mean, give me a break.
Speaker 4: We have to have a proper definition of what it
Speaker 4: means to be a martyr in this world. Charlie Kirk
Speaker 4: fits that very well. Losing a job because you can't
Speaker 4: be diverse in your comedy doesn't quite fit that criteria. Now,
Speaker 4: I don't know how far the FCC got involved in
Speaker 4: those regulations or how much they pushed I don't know.
Speaker 4: If the FCC calls that, we should probably be a
Speaker 4: little bit curious about why that happened.
Speaker 2: I would be offended.
Speaker 4: Government agency concerned us greatly. But if it was a
Speaker 4: private decision made by the network because of failing ratings,
Speaker 4: good riddance, and I tell you how to make the
Speaker 4: ratings better. Do you want to hear this called Jimmy
Speaker 4: what's his name? Almost said? Jim said Jimmy Carter. Jimmy
Speaker 4: Carter never told joke. Johnny Carson told a lot of jokes,
Speaker 4: and he was always very consistent to hit both sides.
Speaker 4: I like comedians, and I always have that like to
Speaker 4: make fun of both sides. These cats, it was as
Speaker 4: one sided as it gets. Absolutely all the guests were liberal.
Speaker 4: All the jokes were AROUNDTI conservative. If you mix it
Speaker 4: up some I think there's a path there for your success,
Speaker 4: even if it hurts our feelings. Sometimes, Dave Chappelle, I
Speaker 4: think Dave Chappelle, now his language is tricky. Sometimes I
Speaker 4: think Dave Chappelle's one of the funniest human beings I've
Speaker 4: ever heard. There's a reason for that. Nobody's safe and
Speaker 4: that's the beauty of America in free speech, right, because
Speaker 4: when he stands up there and he's on the stage, white, black,
Speaker 4: Asian conservative liberal, you're about to get something to hit
Speaker 4: you somehow. That makes it brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now it may be for a moment a bit was
Speaker 4: he saying that about me? But then you're laughing so
Speaker 4: hard you lose track of the seriousness of the charge
Speaker 4: because you recognize, guess what, it's just comedy. But these
Speaker 4: guys weren't just comedians. They were pushing one wedge, one group,
Speaker 4: one ideology, and I think that's probably what those ratings feel,
Speaker 4: which makes sense. I never watched it because I didn't
Speaker 4: see it as funny as to keep getting beat up
Speaker 4: every second and not to share some of the comedy
Speaker 4: to the other groups, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 2: I think you're a hundred percent right. And I saw
Speaker 2: a clip just the other day of Johnny Carson talking
Speaker 2: about why his shows needed to stay more apolitical, and
Speaker 2: it's something that the current talk show hosts and whoever
Speaker 2: follows in the path of Stephen Colbert or Jimmy Kimball,
Speaker 2: they need to hear that and they need to adhere
Speaker 2: to it because their jobs to entertain, and they haven't
Speaker 2: been entertaining. And well, Chris, we're getting close to the
Speaker 2: n about ten minutes away from the end of this one,
Speaker 2: and I have to I have to go to another
Speaker 2: topic here because I think folks will be made. You
Speaker 2: gave me the interview, so I have to. I have
Speaker 2: to ask you about a couple of things. You recently
Speaker 2: had a speaking engagement on the coast. First, it was
Speaker 2: publicized as your return to politics, which amused me as
Speaker 2: the guy who sits cross from you every week talking politics,
Speaker 2: so I don't think you've ever left politics. But it
Speaker 2: also sparked some chatter of your future Chris, and I
Speaker 2: don't expect you to announce anything now. It'd be awesome
Speaker 2: if you did, but I don't expect you to announce anything.
Speaker 2: But but what are you thinking, I mean, especially in
Speaker 2: this climate, what are you thinking future wise?
Speaker 4: I think I think there was a story that can
Speaker 4: I can tell you about that happened that night. I
Speaker 4: think probably ended my political career. I had, you know, clearly,
Speaker 4: I thought this show did that well. This show is
Speaker 4: surely all these shows have their own unique nails to
Speaker 4: the exact plitical cough and if you don't think, just wait.
Speaker 4: It's it was funny that night because I make it
Speaker 4: down to the coast, and you know here, lately, I've
Speaker 4: been so busy at work that I have neglected to
Speaker 4: get haircuts and I have neglected to shave. As you
Speaker 4: can tell, this is not exactly my most trustworthy I'm
Speaker 4: a pirate now. It's not my exactly much trustworthy look.
Speaker 4: And it's just because I'm so busy and between the
Speaker 4: boys in baseball and work, it's just not much time
Speaker 4: to solve my own issues. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 4: I'm solving everybody else's problems, but my simple issues like
Speaker 4: my haircut, I had not solved. So here i am
Speaker 4: gonna get to the coast, and I've got this Irish afro.
Speaker 4: If you're Irish, you know what I'm talking about, right.
Speaker 4: And I didn't think it was that bad. I really didn't.
Speaker 4: I thought I could control it. Of course, I'm a man.
Speaker 4: I don't put products in my hair. I was gonna
Speaker 4: control it the old fashioned way. I was gonna get
Speaker 4: it wet, and I was going to calm it as
Speaker 4: best as I could. Probably should have used the products.
Speaker 4: So here's what happened. I get out of the car
Speaker 4: and there's a thunderstorm hits and I look like a madman, disheveled.
Speaker 4: Have you seen back in the eighties It was a
Speaker 4: band called Flock of Seagulls and the guy's hair was all, yes,
Speaker 4: that's what my hair looked like like I had lost
Speaker 4: complete control of sanity. And I know the establishment GP
Speaker 4: was like, see, we told you he was going to
Speaker 4: crack up. Look at his hair, just look at him.
Speaker 4: And the Democrats were like, of course, this is who
Speaker 4: he is. He's a madman. So I go in there
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, it's not going to be that bad, dude.
Speaker 4: I saw the pictures after I left, and I felt
Speaker 4: like calling people and say, please take that off of Facebook.
Speaker 2: It was so I've seen the pictures.
Speaker 4: I can cut aside myself check you can't criticize me, okay,
Speaker 4: But it was that it was really that bad, and
Speaker 4: I thought, you know what, I forget it. I can't
Speaker 4: run like this. So here's what I'm gonna do before
Speaker 4: I speak again. I'm gonna get a haircut, and I
Speaker 4: might I might even shave.
Speaker 2: But don't go crazy now.
Speaker 4: But long story short, to answer your question, that I've
Speaker 4: tried to die. I don't know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: I think that I like the debate. I like the fight.
Speaker 4: I like being a part of however we shape the
Speaker 4: conservative movement because I believe strongly in these ideas. I'm
Speaker 4: not just saying this for the first time. You've known
Speaker 4: me for twenty years. Yeah, how long have I been
Speaker 4: saying these same things.
Speaker 2: Since the first time I met you all? Honesty, sitting
Speaker 2: on the steps outside of the pe building at jac
Speaker 2: Jacy Jac.
Speaker 4: This is the way I've seen the world of my
Speaker 4: entire life. And some people say, well, he does this
Speaker 4: or he does that. I've never meant to hurt anybody.
Speaker 4: I just always believe strongly in these belief systems, and
Speaker 4: I've always wanted to share them. I've been successful in
Speaker 4: some respects, I've not been successful in other respects. But
Speaker 4: the way I look at it is, if the opportunity
Speaker 4: presents itself at some point in the future, yeah, I'll
Speaker 4: get re engaged. Now. Have I decided what that is yet? No?
Speaker 4: And number two? Right now, believe it or not, I'm
Speaker 4: probably happier than I've been in a long long time.
Speaker 2: I believe it.
Speaker 4: Because I'm practicing law again, and I've got great law partners,
Speaker 4: and I've got some really big cases all over the country,
Speaker 4: and it keeps me busy. And I'm able to watch
Speaker 4: my sons play baseball. You know, Cambridge is playing at
Speaker 4: Meridia now and Chamberlain's playing at South Choines Junior High,
Speaker 4: and I'm able to be involved in their lives more
Speaker 4: so than I was always traveling around in politics. So ultimately,
Speaker 4: at this stage, I'm pretty pretty pumped and pretty happy
Speaker 4: to be where I am. If the future changes, we'll
Speaker 4: see about that. But I have no idea to answer
Speaker 4: your question. But I can promise you this. I will
Speaker 4: not do anything in politics again until I cut my hair.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's definitely.
Speaker 4: That's really for the people. That's not for me. I'm
Speaker 4: doing that for you all.
Speaker 2: Look, that's why you're wearing a hat, right.
Speaker 4: I do have a speech coming up. I don't know
Speaker 4: the exact time or the details yet, but it's going
Speaker 4: to be a vigil for Charlie Kirk at USM. They're
Speaker 4: turning point chapter, so at some point that would be arranged.
Speaker 4: I want to say it September the thirtieth, but I
Speaker 4: don't know all the details yet, but I'll let you
Speaker 4: know how that goes, hopefully time permitted. I'm in state
Speaker 4: and and it works.
Speaker 2: Out right now. It'd be great if I could attend
Speaker 2: that one too, because it'd be great. Two more questions
Speaker 2: before we wrap up, and I'm going to combine them
Speaker 2: together because I know we're coming up on it. Of course,
Speaker 2: Cambridge filled in for you one of the times when
Speaker 2: you were off working. He's a freshman at college this year,
Speaker 2: you know, so you know, first off, how proud of
Speaker 2: you of him were you when you saw him fill
Speaker 2: in for you that day? But second, knowing that he's
Speaker 2: now off at college, what concerns do you have knowing
Speaker 2: that college is disindoctrination crowd. It might not be as
Speaker 2: bad in Mississippi, but it still exists in Mississippi. How
Speaker 2: concerned are you you know that somebody's going to try
Speaker 2: to get their meat hooks in them.
Speaker 4: There's always some concern because you know, kids that go
Speaker 4: to school, they respect their professors and all the lot,
Speaker 4: and some of the professors use that respect to gain
Speaker 4: trust and then to impart these what I consider to
Speaker 4: be negative values into these children. But I also know
Speaker 4: my son is grounded. I don't believe there's any professor
Speaker 4: in the world that can alter that eighteen years of
Speaker 4: solid conservative thought that he's been a part of. If
Speaker 4: they can, more power to them, they must be amazing.
Speaker 4: But my son's amazing, and I think he's so amazing
Speaker 4: that he can resist most of that. Now, Granddad, listen,
Speaker 4: I don't mind his ideas being tested. I don't mind
Speaker 4: at all. They'll introduced and new components and ideas to him.
Speaker 4: Just don't brainwash him. Don't punish him for his conservative thoughts.
Speaker 4: Let it be a marketplace of ideas. And when I
Speaker 4: say that, if you're a math teacher, shut up about politics.
Speaker 4: If you're teaching biology, shut up about politics. Now. If
Speaker 4: you're teaching politics, one O one by all means engage.
Speaker 4: If you're teaching sociology or something, by all means engage,
Speaker 4: but stay in your lane.
Speaker 2: But be okay with differences.
Speaker 4: Of a Senilely we're supposed to be happy with differences
Speaker 4: of opinion. And what happens is we have these kids
Speaker 4: that go to school and they feel like they have
Speaker 4: to conform. We shouldn't want to teach people to conform.
Speaker 4: We should teach people to challenge ideas and to be strong.
Speaker 4: And if my something changes his mind and he's not
Speaker 4: a conservative, I'm still gonna love it. It's just gonna
Speaker 4: make thanks given really tough.
Speaker 2: It will, but I'm still gonna love it. Well, how
Speaker 2: proud of him were you? Because I asked you that
Speaker 2: it was well incredible. He did a great job in here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's honestly, dads should not say this about their
Speaker 4: kids because it's just dad's you know, being dads. But
Speaker 4: he's such a good boy and he's got such a
Speaker 4: big heart for people. You know, he's the kind of
Speaker 4: person I would want all people to be only because
Speaker 4: he doesn't think evils are mean or evil. He thinks
Speaker 4: to people and I promise you, if one comes up
Speaker 4: to him, he'll hug them and they'll have a discussion
Speaker 4: and he'll smile and he'll say I just disagree, and
Speaker 4: he'll still love them. There's something really special about that
Speaker 4: type of diversity and thought that he has, But more importantly,
Speaker 4: that open heart that he has. I've never seen a
Speaker 4: kid more adaptable and more open than he is.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 4: As a kid, a stranger would come up, he would
Speaker 4: walk call with a stranger to go do something which
Speaker 4: is dangerous, but he likes people that much and he
Speaker 4: sees everybody the way C. S. Lewis taught us to
Speaker 4: see people. And he said, the reason I love people
Speaker 4: is because when I meet them, I'm not meeting a person.
Speaker 4: I'm meeting a soul, and that soul is eternal and
Speaker 4: I'll see them again one day. That's an important component
Speaker 4: because he always sees the best in people, and that's
Speaker 4: part of that understanding that we're only here temporarily. This
Speaker 4: is just a vessel and there's much more to this world,
Speaker 4: this time and space. Right. So, yeah, good boy. I'm
Speaker 4: so proud of him. I don't know what he's going
Speaker 4: to do, but whatever he does, I'll always love him.
Speaker 2: Well, Chris, it's been fun to sit down and talk
Speaker 2: with you about these types. I had several more questions
Speaker 2: because I didn't even get to ask you about Gavin
Speaker 2: Newsom's dangerous new law he signed. Yeah, I didn't get
Speaker 2: the chance to talk to you about the battle that
Speaker 2: we see to suppress the Epstein life. So much more
Speaker 2: stuff I wanted to get to. We're gonna have to
Speaker 2: do interviews, maybe sprinkle in shows like this a little
Speaker 2: more often.
Speaker 4: Let's do it. This sounds good. You did a great job,
Speaker 4: and anytime you want to do this, I am open
Speaker 4: to it. Guys, again, this has been a good show.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you being here. I think it's time to
Speaker 4: sign off. This has been Chris mcdale's America here on
Speaker 4: the Midnight Ride Network. You're home of the anti establishment
Speaker 4: movement in this country. We'll see you soon. Thank you.
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