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Speaker 1: I was woken up in the night to a long

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wailing sound, and I thought, well, that's interesting. I wonder

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what that was. It was far off, and I went

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right back to sleep, no problem at all. I wake

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up in the morning. The weather's changed. It's like partly cloudy,

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pretty nice out. I unzipped the entrance to my tent

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and there's a big, old muddy impression about four feet

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part of my tent.

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Speaker 2: And I was thinking, you know, it wasn't that wet

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when I had gone into the tent.

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Speaker 1: It just didn't seem right that I could have made

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an impression like that in the mud. I don't think

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it was that money when I went to bed, so

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I shrugged that off. But then something funny happened. I

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find it funny because I was totally non conscious of

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what was going on in me when this happened. I

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looked back and I think, what the heck. That just weird.

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But I got the sense that I needed to leave.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to welcome Norman Solely to the show. Norman

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is the author of Before Patty Volume one, Patrick, the

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Sasquat Human Hybrid, and Our Genetic Inheritance. But he's not

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just an author. He's also an experiencer and an enthusiast. Norman,

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thanks for coming on. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great man, How are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Doing all right?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: You're up in the Great North? Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: That is correct? I am an interior Alaska. I'm just

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north of the Alaska Range. I'm actually talking to you

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from my walk in cabin. It's two point six miles

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from the closest road entry point, and it's got a

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view of Danali, the tallest mountain in North America.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Absolutely insane. Uh. You know, I watch a lot

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of stuff on Alaska. It just amazes me that in

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today's society that they're still frontier like that left and

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people thrive there. Obviously you're one of them. How did

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you end up in Alaska?

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Speaker 1: Oh that's a good question. You know, I as a youngster,

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I was struck by the whole mythology of Alaska, you

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know Jack London novels, et cetera. And a friend eventually,

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when I was twenty three twenty four told me about

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an employment opportunity. Season all, I'll work at a resort

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into Ali National Park. And I applied and I got

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a job, and I figured it was a working vacation

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that came up here and I really felt like this

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is my kind of a place. And I've been here

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mostly since then, and that was over forty years ago. Wow,

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I spent some time in the lower forty eight. But

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when I get to come back here, I'm very grateful.

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Speaker 3: Now. In my mind, Alaska has always been the idea

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habitat where you would find a Sasquatch. What is the

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Alaskaan lore like? Whenever it comes to sasquatch.

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Speaker 1: The lore is old and contains a lot of information

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the Alaska Natives. Generally, all the Alaska Natives have a

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history of the hairy Man up here in Alaska. They've

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got a long history. That's one thing. As opposed to

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my own relatively friendly experiences, the Alaska Natives tend to

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be a little fearful of hairy man. There is even

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areas in Alaska that are known to be no go

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areas where you just don't want to go into if

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you want to avoid trouble. I don't seem to be

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having that particular issue myself. What I also find fascinating

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about Alaska Native beliefs is it's not just Sasquatch. They

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also believe in a small, little person type of being

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that only gets up to about two feet three feet tall.

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feet and that's the one they're really concerned about. Supposedly

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they even use those narrows and they follow the caribou.

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And then there's the Alaska Mountain giant phenomenon, which that

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scares me and I want nothing to do with that.

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Of the belief is if you see it an Alaska

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mountain giant, that's probably the last you're gonna see. That's

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about it. Yeah, that they are heavily predating upon humans

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when you get the chance. A bizarre phenomenon. I do

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not understand it. It doesn't seem to be quite a

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typical animal as we think of them. And there's even

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in far eastern Alaska, over towards the Yukon border, there's

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a little bit of a belief in a monkey type

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of being that actually has a tail, which makes no

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sense in Alaska, but it's there in the mist.

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Speaker 3: Now, are there active and regular reports coming in Alaska

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that you're aware of? Do people actually see these things?

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Speaker 1: Yes, there definitely is. There's sidings in Alaska. They're may

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be not as many as you'd expect, but keep in

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mind that Alaska is huge. We have only about nine

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hundred thousand people in the entire state, but it's much

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bigger than Texas, and the population is slowly declining all

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the time. So our footprint, our Homo sapiens footprint in

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Alaska is actually not huge. The road system is very

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small compared to the state. People tend to cluster within

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a mile or two of the road system. There are

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remote villages all over the state, but once again, those

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are just like points on a map. Most of Alaska

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is large, unpopulated, and even along the road system, you

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climb over a hill and drop down the other side,

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and you are all alone. And the wildlife reflects that.

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black bears here a couple of times. Grizzlies are a

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distinct possibility. Caribou within a quarter mile of where I'm

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standing in moose links. Lots of lots of potential for wildlife,

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but one thing is we have an extremely harsh winter,

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and because of that, the biodiversity is relatively low. There's

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not a lot of mammals and the winters are so harsh.

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specialized strategy for making it to the winter. And that's

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one thing that sasquatch researches up here have to deal with.

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How they get through the winters. And that's a really

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Speaker 3: I mean, do you have a theory on how they

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do that? I mean, I just think of things. You know,

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we don't have much information on these things obviously, other

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than eyewitness testimony what they happen to observe and the

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glimpses that they get. You have exposed fingers and toes.

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an environment like that during the winter.

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Speaker 1: It causes a huge problem. You know, it can be

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every winter here where I'm standing. You got to expect

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that might hit minus forty. And that's the same in

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fahrenheit or celsius. That's very cold. When I go out

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at minus forty, I'm aware of. If there is one problem,

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it could be fail you know, you break a leg,

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something happens, you get wet, that might be it for you.

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minus twenty it gets sketchy. As far as theories, the

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easy ones to have would include migration. They just leave

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the area. They go underground, which I know even in

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the lower forty eighth there's lots to talk about caves

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and sasquatch. A variation of that theory is they might

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go into a type of torpor, if not an outright hibernation,

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that they may be able to slow their metabolism. Their

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chloric needs are not great as long as they're in

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a deep cave. They might be in the mid fifties

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temperature wise, and they write it out. Some people even

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think they do store food for the winter, and there's

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a little bit of evidence that they do that in

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some areas. But coupled with all that, I have found

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tracks in early January on a river. And this is

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a fairly remote location, which quinncidentally was only about five

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to seven miles from where Chris McCandless met his end

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in that bus. It was popularized in the book and

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movie Into the Wild. It was very close to there

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I found tracks. It wasn't terribly cold, it was like

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ten above and it had been even warmer when I

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think the tracks were made. There had been a Chinook,

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and I think the temperature had gone up to about freezing,

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which for an animal the size of sasquatch that is

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largely hair covered, those are reasonable temperatures for it to

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be out. And about these tracks that were literally on ice.

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that time, which I'm still scratching my head about, is

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there was lots of caribou in the area, and I

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think that is a clue. The caribou when you were

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on a snow machine, they would hardly take a second

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glance at you. I remember leaving that area once and

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I had to stop while dozens of caribou crossed the

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trail in front of me. But we did a side trip.

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On that trip, we were on foot. We came over

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rise there was caribou eight long ways off, like a

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thousand feet. They saw us and they bothted and ran.

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probably the dark forms. The caribou did not like that.

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point basquatch were preying on the caribou in that area

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and that's why they were there. I even heard vocals

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on that trip, So I don't know if that if

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what I have experienced really matches the theories of what

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they do in the winter. When you get right down

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they have a way of not being in places that

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aren't good for them and for returning when they want to.

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Speaker 3: Whenever there are local sightings, do you get a lot

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of reports of them coming around people's property and like

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potentially going through garbage or something like that, or is

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it just more of just you know, those glimpses out

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in the wild.

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Speaker 1: I have had reports, and you know, I don't really

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collect reports. I just have people who know that I'm interested.

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people whatever's going on here keeps a pretty low profile.

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a lot of odd things that happen and rattling off.

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one unfortunate gentleman who had a sled dog team, and

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these were freight dogs. They were larger dogs, which means

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they would have been sixty to one hundred pounds. These

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are pretty big dogs. They had a team of these dogs,

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and the guy went off, probably for the day, going

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to the grocery shore door do some shopping. He came

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back and all he found were chains and collars. Wow,

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these large dogs were gone. He chalked it up to wolves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't really make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: No, it doesn't make a lot of sense. It's to

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take that many dogs, and these are large dogs and

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sled dogs. They're half wild because they're generally outdoors all

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the time. It was a funny one. It was a

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peculiar account that I heard, and I have my story

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about the caribou being frightened. I know another case of

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a person lost two ducks and talk that up to bears.

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but I have had indications of something being around both

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this remote cabin and I have a house only about

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five miles from here that has more of the civilized amenities,

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and I've had funny things happen there, and the slap

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on the side of the house, that type of thing.

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I've heard roosters where there's no roosters, though I've also

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heard vocals and close I've heard the weird al sounds.

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I probably shouldn't, but I have a gifting station on

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the way up to this cabin, and sometimes of year,

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like Apple's left Behind will disappear between me coming up

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the trail and going back down the trail. Right now,

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I don't have the sense of any things really hanging out.

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But later in the summer, when the land comes a

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little bit more alive and there's a little bit more

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like berries and mushrooms to eat, I expect I'll fr life.

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I'm not alone.

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Speaker 3: Once again, How did you get interested in this subject?

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid I'm a cliche there. My father took me

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to a movie and in between features they showed the

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Patterson Gimmlin film, the short documentary they initially had so

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that film, and I'm guessing that was nineteen sixty nine

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or so in Seattle, Washington, and I grew up in

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Washington State, where even at that point there's toleration of Sasquatch.

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You weren't completely kookie if you were interested in it.

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My parents, particularly my mother, they always had books on

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ghosts and unexplained phenomenon, et cetera. So I was from

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a young age steeped in the mysterious and the unexplained,

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and the Sasquatch was part of it. And as a

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young teen, I just started checking out all the books

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I could find, John Green, et cetera. I learned everything

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I could, and eventually my family had a cabin in

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the Washington State Cascades, and I even started to do

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a little bit of poking around myself.

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Speaker 3: So whenever you went poking around by yourself, I mean,

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that's a pretty rare item for people just to kind

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of take the leap and start looking around for things.

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What were you looking for? What were you using as

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like sort of a road map on how to look

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for Bigfoot at that time?

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Speaker 1: Oh, another good question. You know. I grew up with

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Renee Dahinden, Grover Krantz, Don Green, Bob Chipmas. I was

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looking for an elusive mountain ape and that's what I

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thought I was dealing with, because that's what all the

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experts were saying. It was an elusive mountain ape of

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that was extremely rare and lived only in the most

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remote locations. So that's that's what I thought I was

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dealing with. We had a cabin up in the Cascades

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near the town of Index, Washington, and I wouldn't call

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this map gousing, but I literally pulled out the topographic

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maps when I was ready to go out into the field,

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and I picked out an area that seemed like if

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I was in Lusive Mountain Ape, this is where i'd be.

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It was a large remote off the trail system Mountain Lake,

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and I'm just guessing maybe thirty five hundred and thirty

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six hundred feet. I brought my fishing pole. I thought

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i'd do some fishing there, and I picked out a

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good route to getting up to this lake. Left the

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trail behind, went up the spur ridge, which generally the

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trees fall away from spur ridge, so even in older

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growth timber, you can usually make your way along the

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spur ridge without too much trouble. And it turned out

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to be a great route up to the lake. I

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got to the lake kind of late in the day,

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hadn't found anything, hadn't seen anything obvious. But remember this

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is about nineteen eighty and I was not sophisticated. I

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didn't really know what to look for at that point.

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I knew about tracks, I knew about tracks and strengthy noises.

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That was about it. So I pitched my skins. I

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ate some dinner, and it started drizzling rain and I

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hit the hay kind of early and it rained most

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of the night. I was woken up in the night

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to a long whaling sound, and I thought, well, that's interesting.

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I wonder what that was. And yeah, you know, even today,

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I don't know everything about native animals, but that was

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a funny sound. It wasn't a screech. It was a whale,

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but it was kind of high pitched. It went on

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long enough to wake me in for me to continue

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listening to it for a bid. It was far off

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and I went right back to sleep, no problem at all.

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I wake up in the morning. The weather's changed. It's

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like partly cloudy. It's pretty nice out. I unzipped the

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entrance to my tent and there's a big, old muddy

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impression about four feet part of my tent.

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Speaker 2: And I was thinking, you know, it wasn't that wet

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when I had gone into the tent. It just didn't

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seem right that I could have made an impression like

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that in the mud, because it really I don't think

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it was that money when I went to bed, but

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it didn't make sense. Pretty loose about me to step

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right in front of my tent, right, that would be ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I couldn't see anything. It was just

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like this gloppy mess in the mud right in front

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of my tent. So I shrugged that off. But then

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something funny happened. And I find it funny because I

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was totally non conscious of what was going on in

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me when this happened. I look back and I think,

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what the heck, that's just weird. But I got the

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sense that I needed to leave. And it wasn't like

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overpowering fear. It was just like it's time to go.

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And you know, I had planned this fishing around the

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lake looking for tracks, trying to find muddy beaches, sand

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or whatever, seeing what I could find. And I packed

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up and instead of taking my nice spurriage down again,

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which was all planned out, it was a relatively gentle

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hike off trail, I just went straight down the mountain side.

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And that was awkward. There was trees all over the place.

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I'm climbing over trees. I keep moving and up. I

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literally I had an old knee injury and I literally

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re entered my knee. And I've been hearing a little

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bit of noise above me on the hillside now and then.

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But when I stopped to put an a spandage around

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my knee, I should hear like cracking and breaking of

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branches behind me. Not not obnoxious, not terribly loud. But

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you're like this, Matt. I literally thought to myself, Boy,

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that deer and elk around here. Sure are clumbering. Yeah,

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that's what it is, yes, from behind me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just following a human down the mountain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it made no sense. But the longer I get

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from that, the more I laugh at myself. So I

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finished wrapping up. I head down. I've got just you know,

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this urge, this push all the time. Go go go,

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gon't stay around here. As soon as I hit the

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open creek bed at the bottom of the valley that

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just disappeared, the sun was shining warmly. I was listening

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to the creek. I had not a chair in the

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world once I was in that creek bed, but I followed.

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I walked in the creek for the next mile and

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a half until I met up with betrayal. I didn't

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venture into the woods on either side of the creek,

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but my mood is fine. I no longer felt like

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I needed to hurry or get out of there or anything.

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I just enjoyed myself. In fact, at one point I

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managed to catch a small trout bear handed, just hooping around,

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and I thought to myself, Wow, if I can do this,

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Sasquats can do this. Yeah, and I'm sure they could.

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But then a few years later, so you know, I

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managed to think, well, maybe something did happen up there.

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Maybe the whaling was the Sasquatch, I don't know. A

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few years later I read a newspaper article. It was

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in the Seattle Times, but it was of something that

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happened in Belle w Washington, which at that point it

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was more like a bedroom community. It was starting to

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have a few larger buildings, but it was still it

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was a town. It wasn't it wasn't like a farm

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outa in the countryside. There was a report of someone

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in one of the subdivisions on the outskirts finding bigfoot

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tracks under his bedroom window, and I knew that didn't

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make sense. But this is very explicit about the tracks.

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I think it even reported two different size tracks under

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the bedroom window.

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Speaker 4: And that's not an elucid Mountain eight is going up

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and looking in bedroom windows in bel w Washington, And

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I knew that didn't compute, but I couldn't make the leap.

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Speaker 1: And I literally I didn't avoid Sasquatch, but I kind

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of stepped away for decades just thinking this doesn't make sense.

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I'm not going to get to the bottom us. Yeah,

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I stepped away for a long time.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because so many people start out with that

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same train of thought, myself included. And there there are

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some overlaps in behavior patterns that we attribute to Bigfoot

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and what we know about, say gorillas and orangutangs and

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things like that. But primarily, I mean, the other large

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primates and apes that we're aware of don't act anything

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like what Sasquatch is reported to act. Like like you're saying,

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a gorilla is not going to come up to your

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bedroom window and peek in to see what's going on,

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or follow you down a mountain. They're going to avoid

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you at all costs, and you're probably not even gonna

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know they're there.

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Speaker 1: Yep. But then, as you say, we've got like the

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skunkcakes in Florida that sound like some kind of overgrown

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orangutang as some of the physiological features parking bacs to

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the great apes, you know, the the sad to put

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crest etste Yeah, it's it is very mysterious. We're at

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a cross roads here.

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Speaker 3: Have you had paranormal experiences in relation to this?

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Speaker 1: That's funny everybody's asking you that, Yes, I have had

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some paranormal experiences. The last place I was at I

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spent some time in Massachusetts working on a farm when

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I was told by the the woman there that she

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thought I'd brought the paranormal to the farm. I think

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they had things going on. They just didn't know what

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to look for. But I was seeing things even there. Yes,

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I've had paranormal The thing about the paranormal experiences matter

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is they're not necessarily easily linked to sasquatch. Right, just

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because you may have seen a sasquatch once, or found

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some tracks or some scat, it doesn't mean everything that

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happens to you is around pasquatch. There's probably lots out

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there in this mysterious world that can do funny things.

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But I've had experiences right here in this cabin that

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that just make you scratch my head. And one did

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have a length the Sasquatch, and if I might, I'll

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just go ahead and launch into that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Sure, I'm.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty fit, I'm very active, but I'm getting to

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belong in the two. I still make this hike up

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this two point six miles up to my cabin, and

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I love it and I love the hiking. But since

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I've come back to Sasquatch, I've become much more aware

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of what might be going on, and it's on my

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mind sometimes since I'm hiking. Not to mention the grizzly bears,

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although frankly the bears scare me more than Sasquatch does.

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One time, as I got up to this cabin, I

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had been really thinking about what the potential of sasquatching

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these woods means. And I got to the cabin A okay,

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no problem. I stepped into the cabin, and generally when

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I get into the cabin, the first thing I do

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is I head for a thermometer that's hanging from the

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wall from a nail, and I look at the temperature

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to side. Am I going to start a fire in

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the woodstove or is it warming up in here? As

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I'm walking towards that pond, thermometer. I have a little

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what I thought it was an epiphany. I think to myself,

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you know, if sasquatch wanted to, they could easily force

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people like me in remote places to go back to

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bigger cities. And I'm finishing that spot. As I glanced

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at the thermometer, I turned my head a few degrees,

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the thermometer pops off the wall and lands on my feet.

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That timing was just so hard to really to die.

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I had literally been drinking that thought, which might have

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attracted some attention. If something's able to know what I'm thinking,

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which is a very unsettling thought in itself, and I've

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spent a lot of time trying to think, well, if

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that was a reaction to what I was thinking, what

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was the mood of whatever popua thermometer offed that wall.

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I prefer to think that it thought that was a

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very charitable, unkind thing to think, and was kind of

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annoyed at me that that's how I lived with myself

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and keep coming up to the cabin rather than yeah,

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we could we might another time in the cabin and

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that this is totally bizarre. It's a small cabin, but

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it's got a half locked where I sleep. I feel

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better upstairs. The doors bolted. I go upstairs to bed,

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so I generally sleep well because I've been exercising. Every

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time I'm up here, I wake up and I just

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do that instinctive kind of yawn stretchy thing, or make

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this this long noise. You know, we probably all wake

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and make a noise like that when we wake up.

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As soon as I was done making noise, I heard

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the exact same noise. It was me, but it was

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coming from beneath me, in the kitchen area below the

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locked it was. It was the same sound. It was.

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It wasn't an imitation of me. It was the sound

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I had just made. And what's really interesting is I

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didn't I didn't freak out. I didn't I wasn't upset,

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I wasn't frightened. I had my clothes up there. I

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got up, I got dressed. I start heading down the

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steep ladder stairs I have and I do look around

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down into the kitchen as I'm coming down the stairs,

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and of course there's nothing there. And I literally got

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down on my hands and knees looking for hair of

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the floor. The door is still both the shut from

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the inside and there's nothing. I can't find anything there.

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There's no sign. But it was odd that I really

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felt like something been beneath me, and no particular reason

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for this, but I got the sense of female sense

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in that case, I can't tell you, Matt. And then

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one more event in the cabin that is very much

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like what you told me happened to you right before

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we went to air Is. I have a battery charger here.

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I had four double A batteries in it. I managed

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to boggle the charger. I have a solar system with

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an inverurter, and I've been trying to charge these rechargeable batteries.

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I boggled the charger. The batteries go flying every which way,

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and I was just determined to find all the batteries.

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You know, how hard can it be? You drop the battery.

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It's on the four somewhere. I'm searching my pockets, my boots,

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the cuffs of my clothing. I pulled out the wind

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the wood bin and emptied it. I pulled everything away

472
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:27,839
from the wall where this charger had been. I found

473
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,680
three out of four batteries. I could not find the

474
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:34,799
fourth battery. It was it was just not to be found,

475
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,480
I give up, I go away. I come back two

476
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,960
weeks later, approximately laying out in front of the porch

477
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,200
where right where I can look at right where I'm

478
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,960
standing is a single double a battery laying out on

479
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,200
the dirt about fifteen to twenty horizontal feet away from

480
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:58,599
where I dropped those batteries with the door closed. I

481
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:03,960
can't explain it, but like I said, for me, the

482
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:07,960
sense is often kind of fun. It's like pulling my leg,

483
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:10,240
keasing me.

484
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: I actually had a thought whenever you were talking about

485
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,279
that first trip you made looking for these things, and

486
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:22,960
it made me think about some of my own experiences

487
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:27,200
and some of the experiences I've heard from other people. Again,

488
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,880
these things, no matter what they are, they're extremely rare.

489
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:38,119
We know that what are the odds that you go

490
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:44,720
out looking for them? And I understand you're not claiming

491
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:48,079
that anything you experienced with sasquatch, we don't know that

492
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,960
it was. But you did hear a strange vocalization and

493
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:59,400
then find that impression directly in front of your tenth

494
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,839
the next.

495
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:04,519
Speaker 1: Day, and the breaking branch sounds as I'm going down,

496
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,079
and the strange mood I was in where I had

497
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:08,760
to leave immediately.

498
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,559
Speaker 3: And your intent was to go out there and find

499
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:19,079
these things. Yes, I'm assuming you had been in the

500
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:22,320
woods before and those things hadn't happened.

501
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: You know, we had a cabin in the woods. I

502
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,679
was up in the woods all the time. I loved

503
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:33,960
the woods. And I can only think back on some

504
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,440
funny stuff I noticed about trees that I at the

505
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,159
time thought, now, that looks like something climbed that tree

506
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:46,239
invented over. I can't recall much of anything, but I

507
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,320
wasn't really looking. I wasn't tuned into it. But this

508
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,000
is a good issue, Matt. Why is it that I

509
00:34:55,199 --> 00:35:01,719
will move to western Massachusetts. First, I just went out

510
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,000
there to see about the job I wanted. I frankly

511
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:07,440
wanted to see if there's sash squats flying around. And

512
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:09,360
I took a little walk in the woods of the

513
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,199
property and I found the lean take circle, which the

514
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:18,320
ordance didn't know about. And then I eventually find a

515
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,639
neighbor has seen a sasquat out the window, and another

516
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:24,079
neighbor sawone cross the road in front of him. And

517
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:30,079
I'm finding stick stick phenomenon everywhere I go. Not everywhere,

518
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:33,079
but I had a trail I would take. It was

519
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:37,039
within lock of where I lived. I would find things there. Eventually,

520
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,760
in late summer, the orchard troops were stripped overnight where

521
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,280
including a plum tree twenty feet from my back door.

522
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:52,639
Of what's good if they are so rare after I'm

523
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:56,880
getting his experiences all the time, I don't get it, really.

524
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,679
Speaker 3: So let's talk a bit about your book first. I

525
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,360
want to hear about your discovery of this paper and

526
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,519
what led to your book.

527
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 1: So in twenty nineteen, I was by that point back

528
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,000
in the Sasquatch world excited about it, and I decided

529
00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:16,440
to give myself the chance to go to the Tree

530
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:20,599
Thoy nineteen International Big Book Conference. And I was living

531
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:22,360
in Alaska, so it's kind of a big deal for

532
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,719
me to get to any of these events. That was

533
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,480
in the Trisnes area of Washington State. It was put

534
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,559
on by Russell Lecord and one of the speakers to

535
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:39,320
make this an international Bigfoot conference was doctor Igor Burtzev

536
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,400
from Russell. He's part of the International Center of Hominology,

537
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,440
and he did a talk heavily accented. It was hilarious.

538
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,880
Russell actually went up on stage to act as in

539
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,840
quotes translator, which just meant he had heard doctor Igor

540
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,760
first of speaking up that he kind of got the

541
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,360
gist of what he was saying, So you go, yeah,

542
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,719
a couple that wrestler would repeat them didn't better to good.

543
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:17,199
But I was fascinated. I was already aware that Asia

544
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,480
has some phenomenon similar to what we have, but doctor

545
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,840
Bertsta made it obvious that they've got a long history

546
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,079
of it. They probably have had a little bit more

547
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,719
of the scientific world embracing research there, particularly in Russia,

548
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:40,599
but also France. France has produced some interesting people. And

549
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,719
then he mentioned that he had a book. I thought, well,

550
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:49,599
cool booked from Russia about Siberia and Russian sasquatch phenomenon.

551
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,239
I got to take a look at this book. Right

552
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,760
after his talk, there was a break in the conference,

553
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,119
and so I headed for the vendor tables. And even

554
00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:02,079
though I went direct, half dozen or ten people beat

555
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:07,559
me there to egor quible. So egor Bertstev had a table.

556
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,440
He had stacks of his book here, a large glossy

557
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,199
book filled with black and white and color photos, A

558
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,280
fascinating book. You can get lost in it. But doctor

559
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,039
Burtsa wasn't there yet. What I think had happened is

560
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:24,800
Russell had assigned one of his his uh staff helped

561
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,639
with the confidence just watch the table, make sure none

562
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:32,880
of the books walk while doctor Burtsa was speaking. So

563
00:38:33,159 --> 00:38:35,239
I pick up one of these books after I kind

564
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,719
of squeezed my way to the front, and I'm looking

565
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,639
at it and I think, wow, this is cool. Every

566
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,760
page has two columns. The left column is in Russian

567
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,159
and the right column is in English. And it's really

568
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,480
poor English. You could tell the doctor burts of a

569
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,280
lot of his own translating you gotta, you gotta kind

570
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,559
of work and reading it. Uh. So I asked the

571
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,639
young man and how much for the book? And he

572
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,400
looks kind of worried and says, oh, I don't know.

573
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,239
I was just told to watch everything. But just then

574
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,599
doctor burts walks up and the young man says, Doctor,

575
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,119
this gentleman wants to know how much for the book,

576
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,440
and Doctor Burtsa, before he's even quite gotten to the table,

577
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,880
he says loudly so that everybody can hear, three hundred

578
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,559
dollars what will would be hYP He goes, well, I

579
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,559
can't pay that much for a book, and she just

580
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:34,840
stomps off and you can hear kind of moans of

581
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,239
dismay from the group. You know, they're salivating too about

582
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,599
this book from Russia. And doctor Bertstu looks at me,

583
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,159
you know, he could tell that I'm kind of the

584
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:50,880
focal point of this particular issue. And he leans close

585
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,239
to me and he says, too much for you, two

586
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:02,840
hundred dollars, And I just pulled out my wallet and

587
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,239
gave him the cash. I thought, what's the chap. I'm

588
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,880
ever going to be able to get this book again

589
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,159
right from him and get a signature in it. And

590
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,960
I had a picture him slapping these heavy books through airports,

591
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,480
and he was already it's already in his seventies. At

592
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,639
that point, I figured, he's paying his way by selling

593
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,400
this book, and I want this book. So I got

594
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,360
the book. That was twenty nineteen. It wasn't until twenty

595
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,760
twenty two that I really started reading it thoroughly, going

596
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,280
through cover to cover, and I found my story. It

597
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,880
was doctor Bayanov. I'm not sure I'm pronouncing that correctly.

598
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,239
In two thousand and five. It was either an address

599
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,800
or a paper, or maybe he was reading the paper

600
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:54,880
as an address to a conference in Russia and In it,

601
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:00,639
he mentioned this story from North America that had been

602
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,239
investigated by doctor ed Bush. And I don't think he

603
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,400
live he was a doctor, but let's give him the

604
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:15,199
benefit of the doubt. Sure, an anthropologist in which he

605
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,559
had interviewed Calville Indians on the Calville Reservation in Washington State,

606
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,599
and they had told him that there had been in

607
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:27,039
an abduction by what they called the Scanticum, the same

608
00:41:27,079 --> 00:41:30,800
thing as the Sasquatch, of an Indian woman late in

609
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,719
the nineteenth century the eighteen nineties, and she had escaped

610
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,519
but came back pregnant, and that she bore a child.

611
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,960
And I did not make this up with some cutesy

612
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:50,519
joke or anything. But the child was named Patrick, which

613
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:54,599
to me is just so purpet It's almost like all

614
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,559
this was pre arranged for our reading enjoyment. The child

615
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,119
named Patrick. Patrick was able to marry easily, although he

616
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:06,679
looked peculiar, but he was very intelligent, and he was

617
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,559
a good rancher and farmer. He married easily, and he

618
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,639
had children of his own and buying I kind of

619
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,880
signed off of this one little account by saying, I

620
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,119
wish that somebody in North America would be as diligent

621
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:27,760
as doctor Bertsa was about the Zana story in researching

622
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:34,840
this Patrick story, because it's gold. It's just it's dropped

623
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,880
in our lap. There's a lot of material here. So

624
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,599
I read that story and I thought, my goodness, doctor

625
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:48,800
Bien I was right. And it's now another almost twenty

626
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,559
years has passed and I hadn't heard of Patrick before,

627
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,000
although it is out there a little bit. Colitis has

628
00:42:57,039 --> 00:43:02,039
written about it. Retmand lull Us Junior I think was

629
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,039
his name. He actually was able to interview with doctor

630
00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:10,800
Foush back in two thy and twelve and videotape the interview,

631
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:15,039
but I haven't been able to find it. And one

632
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:19,119
other researcher I came across the Patrick story in the book.

633
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,159
What I did, though, is I assembled the facts that

634
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,880
I could find in the paper by Ed Foush, which

635
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:32,320
is online. You can find it online. It's in set

636
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:38,360
a big bigfoot ology site, and I give the web

637
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,920
address in the book I found the paper. I found

638
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:46,760
some are details in the paper about this Patrick account,

639
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:51,159
and I already knew at the time. Heather Moser of

640
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,199
Small Town Monsters. He's a producer with Small Town Monsters

641
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:58,400
and a researcher, but I also knew from knowing her

642
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,519
that she was really into Genie, and to me, this

643
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,360
was a genealogy puzzle at this point. So I dangled

644
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,559
the bare facts in front of her and she said, well,

645
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,719
let me take a look see what I can find.

646
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,960
About three days later, he comes back to me and

647
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,760
she says, I think I found him. And that was

648
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,000
quite a thrill to hear that from Heather, and I said,

649
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,639
hang on, can you do a report without revealing last

650
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:34,599
names to my Boial Bigfoot research group whom she herself

651
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,480
had interviewed maybe all the people in that group at

652
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,840
that time, so she knew everybody there. I was comfortable

653
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,800
with them, and she said, well, give me a couple

654
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,760
more days to make sure I'm really sure of this.

655
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,920
And found everything I can, and she did a little

656
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,599
presentation to the Boreal Bigfoot Research Group, which is in

657
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,440
the last new group of researches up here. We went

658
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,360
on to give a couple of expos in Fairbanks, Alaska,

659
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:04,039
which was cool, but she said, I think I found him.

660
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:08,400
But one thing I found is that the facts in

661
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,880
the census records, et cetera are a little different from

662
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,800
what Sufusha's paper. But I founded Patrick right place, right time.

663
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,719
But he didn't die at age thirty. He lived on,

664
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,280
and he had more children than what the paper says,

665
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,360
and he wasn't an ideal citizen. He actually got into

666
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,360
a lot of trouble and almost it almost seems like

667
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,960
on the Reds they didn't want to acknowledge him after

668
00:45:38,679 --> 00:45:44,440
he kind of went south. He literally went off the

669
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,840
Reds and they just kind of called an end to

670
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,079
his life. I'm at age thirty, which is when he

671
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:58,320
started getting into serious trouble, so I insisted hither or

672
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,199
not tell me his last name. We talked about writing

673
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,519
a book. It became obvious that everybody else but me

674
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:07,800
was way too busy to write a book. Whereas my

675
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,960
life got simpler, I started researching. I bought myself a

676
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,880
subscription to Genealogical Service, and using just what was in

677
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,480
the d Foosh paper, very quickly I was convinced I

678
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:24,400
found Patrick also, and in the end, over one hundred

679
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:30,360
and sixty documents historical documents related to Patrick in his life,

680
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:35,320
including a delayed birth certificate, a death certificate, marriage certificate,

681
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:39,360
two draft cards. He had to register for two World

682
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:45,000
War drafts the poor guy I found In the end,

683
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,519
I had almost given up. I thought I found everything

684
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:52,239
I can find. I decided to do another search, not

685
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,480
using the last name as I knew it, but using

686
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:59,119
his the name his grandfather went by, which is only

687
00:46:59,159 --> 00:47:04,239
different from his last name by one letter. But I

688
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,519
think what has happened? There was a white transcriber change

689
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,920
in there somewhere. But when I used that splightly different

690
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,400
last name with his grandfather's name, I found mugshots from

691
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:24,000
nineteenth twenty eight, which just astounded me. I had almost

692
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:27,719
given up on finding more. But my book before Patty,

693
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,559
volume one, has got pictures of Patrick in it, and

694
00:47:33,159 --> 00:47:35,119
at this point every but he asked, well, what did

695
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,039
he look like? Was he Harry? Did he have the

696
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:43,559
cone head? He wasn't particularly harry. He had normal hair patterns,

697
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,679
He didn't have a cone head, but he did look weird.

698
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,000
He definitely looked weird as opposed to the goose paper.

699
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:56,559
He didn't have elongated years pulled upwards at the top.

700
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,079
I don't know where they got that. Ears are actually

701
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:04,000
kind of on the small side, which you know that

702
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,679
doesn't seem inconsistent. But what's really strange is they're low

703
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:13,440
set ears. If you look at yourself in the mirror,

704
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:15,960
you look at somebody else, you look the pictures of

705
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,559
the magazine. If you draw a line, there's somebody's pupils.

706
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:23,440
Generally the tops of the ears extend above that line.

707
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:29,119
And by generally I mean always. There's a medical condition

708
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:33,199
called low set ears. It'll it's alongside a couple of

709
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:39,000
genetic diseases. It'll show up there. But here his ears

710
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:42,559
are very low on his head, which once you're aware

711
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:46,760
of it, it just looks strange. There's also, of course,

712
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,840
it's a mugshot, so I've got a full on facial

713
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,679
and I've got a side view. In a side view,

714
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,000
you see not only are the low ears low, they're

715
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:58,599
also they're pulled closer to the mouth, which is weird.

716
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:04,079
And they're rotated from the top backwards down lower. Maybe

717
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:08,719
that's why they're they're low set ears, but they're rotated

718
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,480
on his head. Funny. He's also got a steeply sloping forehead.

719
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:18,159
I found a control amongst Pallville Indians that I used

720
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:22,199
as a comparison, and his forehead slopes at about a

721
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:27,480
twenty two degree sharper angle than that control. Forehead does,

722
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:31,239
so he has a sloping forehead.

723
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 5: His eyes rather than being which is kind of counterintuitive,

724
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,920
but our eyes are generally pre munch midway in our

725
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:42,719
whole head.

726
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: But his head slopes back and doesn't extend up as

727
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:54,320
far proportionally as they would on a quote normal almost sapiens.

728
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:58,159
But when you look at the side profile, his brain

729
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:04,280
case extends backwards. It isn't like a cone. It's not

730
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,840
like it's sticking up in a cone. It extends backwards,

731
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,679
even making a little bit of a shelf above his

732
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:18,440
neck and back. It's not an unheard of feature in people,

733
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,480
but you have to search around before you find somebody

734
00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:26,599
with a skull profile like this. And what that did

735
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,320
was even though from the front it looks like he's

736
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,880
all faced and no brain, his brain is back behind

737
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,519
his face. It's not up on top. It's almost as

738
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:41,239
like the brain and ear structure was just rotated backwards

739
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:47,559
and down. So at first he gives the impression of

740
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:51,199
having a small head. But I did a lot of

741
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,280
work on side profiles. I actually imported photos into CAD

742
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,039
where I can take areas easily. I think his brain

743
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,840
was just as bigger, even slightly bigger than somebody proportional

744
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:11,880
to his size, so that was interesting. Another really striking

745
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:17,039
feature of the pictures from nineteen twenty eight was he

746
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:23,239
doesn't appear to have what's technically called the chin. If

747
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,239
you feel your own chin, you can feel you've got

748
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,960
a bony protrusion on the front of your front lower jaw,

749
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:31,960
and that's called the mentum.

750
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,199
Speaker 6: He doesn't seem to have the menum, which, and I'm

751
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:41,440
not saying this is a linkage, but Neanderthals almost never

752
00:51:41,519 --> 00:51:44,880
showed any sign of a menum. They just have a

753
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,119
receding lower chin, much like a gorilla, word chimp, or

754
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:53,199
an orangutank. So that is really strange.

755
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: It it's very hard to find Homo sapiens without that mentum.

756
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,880
Even some of the latter Neanderthals were starting to show

757
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,480
minor menums, and I suspect that was due to add

758
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:11,480
extra action almost sapiens who doesn't have a mentum. He

759
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:16,400
also has a what's called compressed cervical vertebrae. He had

760
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:22,039
a short neck. We think of sasquatch next as maybe

761
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:26,519
being buried in all the muscle, but Patrick has a

762
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,719
radically short nackets. It's proportionally. I think it was less

763
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:34,920
than half of what a normal proportioned human of his

764
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,599
size would be. So his head was low, perhaps also

765
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:45,360
giving this impression of having a small head. And Neanderthals

766
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:50,719
have that compressed cervical vertebrae. I don't know if that's linkage.

767
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,280
I suspect maybe all the early Homo species had that

768
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,599
compressed cervical vertebrae, and that we're the exception. So that

769
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:03,679
is all so weird. But you're gonna ask what was

770
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:06,639
he big? How big was he? I think, Matt he

771
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,320
was only five foot two inches tall. He was a shrimp.

772
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:16,239
His mother was described as tiny, so I suspect she

773
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,760
was less than five feet tall if she was thought

774
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,639
to be tiny compared to Patrick. He would regularly lie

775
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:26,440
about his height on documents. But when I could tell

776
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:28,719
he was getting measured, like for his World War two

777
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,199
draft card, I can tell there they actually weighed him

778
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,840
and measured him. It was five pot two in that one,

779
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,480
So he was short one hundred and thirty five pounds

780
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,440
one hundred and forty pounds. He was not a big guy.

781
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,519
He was described as extremely intelligent and a gentleman that

782
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:52,039
worked for him for five years and seemed to have

783
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,679
known him in many contexts. That he was a really

784
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,559
good card player, and he seemed to always know what

785
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:02,760
was in your hand. Just an odd little detail which

786
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,320
makes people like you who know a bit about the

787
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,760
Sasquatch world going, huh interesting.

788
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 3: Now, is Patrick the son of Seraphane.

789
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:23,159
Speaker 1: Hell, you're doing some research there. No, this is a

790
00:54:23,199 --> 00:54:27,159
different situation. I did talk about Seraphine Long. I believe

791
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:31,039
it was her name in the book. I do a

792
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:35,440
survey of the abductions that we know about. No, I

793
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,559
think she was in British Columbia, but I wouldn't swear

794
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:40,239
to it. I'd have to go look it up again.

795
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:46,320
But no, and it was approximately the same time. But

796
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,800
I believe Patrick was born in eighteen ninety one in

797
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:56,760
eastern Washington State on the Call Bill Reservation. But no,

798
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:03,360
this is a different case. His mother's name was hi Issiod.

799
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,639
She didn't at the time even have an English name

800
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,880
when she was abducted, but it was high Issiod. I'm

801
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,559
very careful in the book to not use last names

802
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,679
beyond I am part Patrick's birth. I just don't use them.

803
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:28,719
I know them. I got to a certain point where

804
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:33,679
I stopped investigating his descendants. I didn't want to know

805
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,559
the names of living people. I didn't want to have

806
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,639
them in my notes and my files, et cetera, because

807
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:45,480
I am I'm really concerned for these people. I'm concerned.

808
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:50,800
It's you know, we all want to know what's in

809
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,760
their genes, Compare them with the Catchum study, et cetera,

810
00:55:55,559 --> 00:56:00,679
which shows up. But this has to be completely voluntary

811
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,639
and maybe anonymous. I don't know. I don't want people

812
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:10,239
reading my book and knocking on somebody's store, right, feel

813
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,280
terrible about.

814
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,599
Speaker 3: That, you know. I know that for some people listening

815
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:21,039
to this episode, this is a hard thing to swallow.

816
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,559
Obviously it's not a for sure one way or the other.

817
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:31,119
But I will say this, it's not unheard of, especially

818
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:37,079
in the Native American and First Nations communities, that this

819
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:41,880
sort of thing happens and that these people exist. Very

820
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:47,440
early on in my own Bigfoot journey, I was told

821
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:55,280
about some hybrid children that people knew directly. They knew

822
00:56:55,280 --> 00:57:00,280
the family directly, and knew the story directly. You know,

823
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:07,079
there there were some things about those children behavior wise.

824
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:18,800
They were pretty rowdy, excellent climbers, not necessarily hair covered

825
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,400
or giants or anything like that. Again, and one interesting

826
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,119
thing about them was the rumor was that they had

827
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:34,280
these very thick haad like growths on their feet, on

828
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:39,320
the bottom of their feet, and that they were surgically

829
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:45,000
removed at one point and that they grew back. Yeah,

830
00:57:45,519 --> 00:57:52,000
now who knows, right, Like, who knows? This is just

831
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:54,079
the stuff that you know, I was told by the

832
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,360
people that were told by the people that were living

833
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:01,079
in it. So but again not unheard of. And then

834
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:08,440
you have so many you know, hair samples and different

835
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:14,159
DNA projects that have occurred that have resulted in human results,

836
00:58:15,159 --> 00:58:19,239
human contamination specifically, and I've always questioned, well, what if

837
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:25,880
it's not contamination. Yeah, we don't really know. Man, this

838
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:30,280
is just a really interesting case. What made you decide

839
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,639
to just actually go forward with the book? Though?

840
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: No, that's another good question. And before I get that,

841
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,280
to go back to the credibility of the story, you know,

842
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,440
I spent two years researching this case. I worked hard

843
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,159
at it. I found so many documents. I got the

844
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:57,920
Foosh paper. I see how the facts that I'm finding

845
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,760
or matching up with the Foosh paper. So for me,

846
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:05,639
I did the work. But it was a lot of work.

847
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,679
I don't expect people to read this book and say, oh,

848
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,119
this is a done deal, this happened. Yeah, I expect

849
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:18,440
some sort of credibility issues. Of course, you know, that's

850
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,159
what we should do. We have to prove these things

851
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:26,079
before we accept them. Or it's just space. So that

852
00:59:26,199 --> 00:59:31,480
I understand you asked them why I wrote the book,

853
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,880
why I felt it was important. And this is very subjective,

854
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:40,880
but I personally feel we've gotten off on the wrong

855
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,960
foot with whatever this phenomenon is, and we need to

856
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:50,400
stop what we're doing. We need to stop chasing things around,

857
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:54,960
making a nuisance of ourselves in the woods. What we

858
00:59:55,039 --> 01:00:00,000
need to do, at the very least is approach sas

859
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,440
watch as if we are approaching an uncontacted tribe that

860
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:09,760
prefers overall not to be contacted in the Amazon. Now

861
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,840
in Brazil they now have a policy they don't contact

862
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,119
the tribes. Even if they become aware of a tribe

863
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:20,960
often such and such an area, they don't attempt to

864
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,440
contact them anymore. Generally, when you contact an uncontacted tribe,

865
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:30,800
the un content uncontacted tribe doesn't do very well afterwards.

866
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:35,280
It's a huge coach in shock. So whatever we have

867
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,199
going on. I think they deserve at least that much respect.

868
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:46,000
So it's really a personal thing for me. I don't

869
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:51,199
like being and hearing what I see in here. Sometimes

870
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,599
I think we need to change our approach. And until

871
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:58,000
we change our approach, which hasn't worked in over fifty years.

872
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:03,239
Until we change our roach, are the quality of the

873
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:06,639
information we get is not going to be any better

874
01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:11,400
than the approach. I think we need to really more

875
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,960
let let whatever it is come to us, and I

876
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,119
think it will be much like UFOs And for instance,

877
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:22,199
we wouldn't shoot an alien to prove that aliens exist.

878
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:27,960
Most people wouldn't. We consider that, Barbara, and also very foolish.

879
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,199
That could get us into a lot of trouble. I

880
01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:34,199
think we need to change our approach. And like the

881
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,519
UFO world, I think disclosure isn't going to come to

882
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:41,559
the government finally testing up and revealing the bodies they

883
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:45,280
have stored it for dicks or someplace. I think each

884
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:48,480
one of us has to have our own experiences and

885
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:54,199
realize that something's going on and gradually inform ourselves. I

886
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:55,559
think that's how it's going to happen.

887
01:01:57,119 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're definitely on to something with that

888
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:05,639
these things. Obviously, if you spend enough time studying this phenomenon,

889
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:12,960
whatever they are, they're extremely intelligent, far more intelligent than

890
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:18,239
what you probably think they are. And for whatever reason,

891
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,440
they do not seem to want to have much to

892
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,280
do with us. They have not presented themselves. They spend

893
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,880
most of their time actively hiding from us and going unseen,

894
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,480
and that has to be for a reason. And I

895
01:02:38,599 --> 01:02:43,800
understand and agree completely that we should be respectful of that,

896
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,360
and instead of chasing them around, which I think is

897
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:52,639
a fruitless endeavor, Like you're saying, let them come to

898
01:02:52,719 --> 01:02:55,920
us whenever they want to and on their terms.

899
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, the bonfire routine, that's that's a great way to

900
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,559
experience something, and that is letting them come to us.

901
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:08,440
And it takes the brave heart to sit around a

902
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,920
bonfire with your back to the dark woods. Yeah, waiting

903
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:14,519
for moys in the woods. But that's probably the way

904
01:03:14,559 --> 01:03:19,039
to go, all right. You probably remember doctor John Bindernagel

905
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:24,280
when he was asked about gifting. He said, well, if

906
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:28,079
you want to make contact with an un contacted tribe,

907
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:31,000
you believe things for them you think they might like.

908
01:03:31,199 --> 01:03:36,159
It's one way of going your friendly. Yeah, so I

909
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:40,760
know gifting is is kind of a nerve wracking thing.

910
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:44,679
And consider me here with with grizzlies, you know, leaving

911
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:48,119
the food out. It seems like a really dumb idea.

912
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,599
But on the other hand, if I let them know, hey,

913
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:58,400
I'm not hostile, and I'm actually we're on the friendly side.

914
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:01,679
I I don't want to be on the bad side

915
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:02,920
of whatever's in the woods here.

916
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:09,079
Speaker 3: The main part of the Patrick story would naturally be

917
01:04:10,239 --> 01:04:15,360
the story of Patrick's mother. That would be the hardest

918
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,360
thing to establish to begin with, and that would kind

919
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,360
of set the tone for the whole idea to begin with.

920
01:04:22,119 --> 01:04:25,719
I assume your book covers.

921
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:34,119
Speaker 1: That the first sentence is Patrick's mother. Okay, yeah, I

922
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:37,679
actually start out the first chapter really could be termed

923
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:41,119
historical fiction. It's based on the facts I could find.

924
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,480
But I try to recreate the scene of her abduction

925
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,440
and in chapter three her escape, and I do that

926
01:04:48,519 --> 01:04:52,280
through a lot of research into the Callville tribes, into

927
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:58,159
the geography of the setting there, the food gathering buscanicum

928
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,360
or sasquatch phenomenon on there, and as they know of it.

929
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:09,039
But yes, haist Klakan is a central figure in the book.

930
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,960
I have huge sympathy for that woman. Can you imagine

931
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:20,280
what she went Absolutely not. I mean, that's it's just

932
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:24,840
an incredible story. She actually had Patrick off reservation, which

933
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:28,760
I think is another clue that, yes, something funny is

934
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,519
happening here. You know, at that time it wasn't that

935
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:33,800
easy to travel one hundred miles to a different town.

936
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,599
But I think she traveled back to where some of

937
01:05:36,639 --> 01:05:41,719
her mother's family was to have Patrick away from the

938
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:45,400
reservation so she could kind of conceal the date of

939
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,880
the spur and make it seem more like her very

940
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,559
new husband was was actually the father, and that it

941
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:55,760
didn't trace back to the subduction.

942
01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 3: Wow.

943
01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's quite a story. And so many documents, you know,

944
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so many documents about Patrick's life. Ously, his mother not

945
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so much, just because of the time period. She died

946
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nineteen twenty six ish, about forty five years old. She

947
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:19,639
did live for a long time, she got to see grandchildren,

948
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et cetera, but she didn't have a long life. Patrick

949
01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:31,039
Patrick had a long life, even though it was a

950
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:36,920
hard life. I believe he lived to be seventy. He

951
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:42,639
actually died just north of the official Seattle city line

952
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in nineteen sixty two. So, and he died very close

953
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,719
to where I entered Seattle on the very same day.

954
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,920
It's kind of weird. I moved to Seattle the day

955
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that Patrick died in Seattle.

956
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is strange.

957
01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:10,599
Speaker 1: It is strange. Yeah, when I discovered that, my mouth

958
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:12,880
just dropped open and I got a hold of my

959
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,840
sister immediately, because of course that was when she got

960
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:16,960
to Seattle as well.

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Speaker 3: So the title before Patty volume one, is there a

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01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:23,199
volume two?

963
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Speaker 1: Yep? Yeah, I was researching all three volumes simultaneously. But

964
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we'll have a lot more to do on volume two.

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So I mentioned earlier, we need to prove things and

966
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not just accept things on faith. I found in my

967
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:48,239
research a lot of funny things about human evolution, Homo

968
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:55,800
sapiens in particular. But I found enough that I think

969
01:07:56,239 --> 01:08:00,199
I can make a case for sasquatch being something that

970
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:06,239
might have evolved naturally, that it could be of dis earth,

971
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:14,079
that I can explain some of the peculiar physiological things

972
01:08:14,119 --> 01:08:20,640
to do with sasquatch, and partly that's through hybridization effects,

973
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:25,840
et cetera. So I'm going to make a stab at it.

974
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,600
So volume two is going to be an evolutionarily plausible

975
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,479
explanation for the existence of sasquatch. That's between you and me.

976
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:40,520
I don't really believe it. I don't think I'm going

977
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,800
to quite pull it off, but I think it needs

978
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,720
to be tried. I think I need to make a

979
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:50,279
good faith effort to try this. You know, it's kind

980
01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:54,359
of like balanced reporting. I gotta give it a shot, sure,

981
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,159
and I think I think I will give it a

982
01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:59,880
pretty good shot, and I may even convince the people.

983
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,359
But I don't think I'm going to be convinced, but

984
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,880
you know, maybe I'll surprise myself. Volume three is the

985
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:13,239
weird stuff you asked right away about the paranormal. I

986
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:16,159
hate to say it, but I got the paranormal. And

987
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:19,279
it's not like every day, but like every six months

988
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:23,000
or so, something weird is going on in my life.

989
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:25,800
I'm starting doing his track of it all, but I'm

990
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:31,359
going to tackle the paranormal and of sasquatch, even though

991
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,880
it has been done. I'm gonna And Chris Nole just

992
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,279
came out with a great book and I realized he's

993
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:40,039
pretty much written by Volume three. But I've got a

994
01:09:40,079 --> 01:09:44,600
slightly different angle, so I'll give it a shot. So

995
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that'll be volume three. It'll be kind of bringing things

996
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:50,279
around full circle. Yes, I've tried to prove as a

997
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:55,920
physical being, but there's this other stuff and maybe I

998
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,439
can explain that too, maybe not.

999
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,520
Speaker 3: And where can people find your book?

1000
01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: Well, the easiest way for me to say it is

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just go to beforepatdi dot com. That goes to my

1002
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:15,680
book website and there's links there. You can get it

1003
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,319
if you're a wholesaler through ingram Spark on that website,

1004
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,279
or you can go to Amazon and get it there.

1005
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,960
It is up on Amazon. You can get it in

1006
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:29,239
kindle and ebooks. You can get a paperback two different versions,

1007
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:34,239
not different versions in terms of content, just different covers.

1008
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:38,800
You can also get two different hardcovers. One has a

1009
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:44,560
dust jacket suitable for libraries. So there's all sorts of options,

1010
01:10:45,279 --> 01:10:48,840
and I hope you find an interesting read. You can

1011
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,000
also do before Patty dot com. You can email me,

1012
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,600
and I'm not being flooded by emails at this point,

1013
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,880
so I can pretty much guarantee I will respond to emails.

1014
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:02,119
And I think in the book too, I give my

1015
01:11:02,199 --> 01:11:07,039
Gmail email in there, which is n a solely s O.

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L L I E at Gmail dot com.

1017
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Speaker 3: And I will have the before Patty link in the

1018
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:19,199
description to this episode, so just look there if you're

1019
01:11:19,239 --> 01:11:21,920
interested in checking out the book. I know I'm going to.

1020
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,039
This is just an amazing story. And like I said

1021
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early on, I had heard, you know, rumors in the

1022
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Native American communities about some people like Patrick, and I've

1023
01:11:36,279 --> 01:11:39,079
continued to hear those stories and the story of Saraphane

1024
01:11:39,079 --> 01:11:42,119
long and there's just a few things that pop up

1025
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:49,399
here and there over the years that kind of support

1026
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:53,960
this sort of thing. Just too many similarities, you know,

1027
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:58,479
how would all these different people come up with such

1028
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:03,159
an absolutely bonker story like this, that Sasquatch, you know,

1029
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:07,279
kidnaps someone and impregnates them and they give birth to

1030
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a hybrid child. It's it's a fascinating thing. I've enjoyed it. Norman.

1031
01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:18,119
Thanks for coming on and sharing your story and talking

1032
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:18,760
about your book.

1033
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,399
Speaker 1: Man, Thank you very much. I enjoyed jan here. It

1034
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was a good discussion. I had fun.

1035
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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Uh, You're coming back on whenever volume two

1036
01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:32,159
comes out, for sure, I'll be sure.

1037
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Speaker 1: I'll let you know.

1038
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 3: If you've had an encounter with Sasquatch or something else.

1039
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:38,840
You can't explain and you'd like to share your story

1040
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,359
on the podcast, Email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail

1041
01:12:42,359 --> 01:12:46,159
dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot crossroads dot com.

1042
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,079
You can find links to my social media, past episodes, merchandise,

1043
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:53,680
Everything you need all in one place, and until next time,

1044
01:12:53,760 --> 01:13:26,520
remember there's something in the woods.