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Speaker 2: We got Chris Cartman on the line. Chris, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic, Chris.

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Speaker 2: I apologize for that, Chris, Chris. Lots of stuff happening

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Speaker 3: Has it been a bit of a whirlwind for you

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over the last I don't know, a week or a

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week or two Shoot even going back to the end

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Speaker 4: Yeah, kind of tough to remember what day of the

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week it is with the holidays, the tram for Portal

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Bowl game for AFU, one of the ass coaches thought

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that it was a Tuesday on a Sunday to put

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that in perspective. So the days they've just been kind

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of pilot up with a lot of work and the

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transfer portal being just the winter only period this year,

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I think that's added to more of the center urgency

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and how much is going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy times. Uh, let's let's talk football first. That

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we'll get into hoops if we can't.

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Speaker 3: The fact that that Dealingham came back to to to Tempe.

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How big of a win was that for the this

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program that's building something you you think pretty special right

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Speaker 4: The massive development the likes in which I don't know

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that we've seen in recent decades to be to be honest,

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as you sold out every football game this year for

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the first time in its major conference history going back

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to the nineteen seventies or earlier. The fan engagement even

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in a disappointment of a season in terms of the

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outcome compared to the expectations given what ASU returned and

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an injury plague season that resulted in only eight wins.

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The overall sentiment is extremely positive among the fan base,

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and Kenny Dillingham being a local product and ASU alumnus,

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someone who is held in extremely high regard to retain him,

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to get him feeling more confident about the state of

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the program in IL revenue sharing in this era that

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we're in now, and then how that's carried over to

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the early performance in this transfer cycle with ASU landing

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one of the top of overall prospects, top ten overall

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prospect in the portal of Marion Miller, a wide receiver

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from Colorado, UH second year all the twelve last season

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and Cover Bowl League quarterback. This is this is a

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a time that I can't really recall anything quite like it.

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Speaker 3: Special times there in Sam Pee. What's the what's the

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weakness right now of the program? Obviously you got your

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head coach, but you lose your starting quarterback.

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Speaker 2: What happened with Sam Levitt? How did this all come about?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Really it comes down to the financial situation and

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decisions that are made for how to construct a roster.

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money or or nearly that much. He's a very very

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top of the market. I've talked to a lot of

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agents and and industry insiders who has said that, really

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to make roughly five million dollars. Sam Levitt is going

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to be really close in that ballpark and af Youth

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much or less. So that money the differential what we're

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being paid by the schools directly. That's that's about thirteen

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and a half million to fifteen and a half million

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for football rosters annually. And then nil is something that's

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paid for by businesses, benefactors at the university, boosters the

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athletic program. That's additional millions of dollars. And they're economic

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decisions that are now made so Realik Brown and Sam Levitt,

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as you decided to spend that money elsewhere, and that's

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in the portal, and some other additional players being being

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Speaker 3: You know this, Do you feel like the roster is

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going to be better than it was a season ago?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's very difficult to say right now.

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another twelve fifteen players over the next week and a

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half two weeks. This is transfer portal Toaluza, and until

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you really understand what the roster looks like when the

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music stops, you can't have an answer for that. But

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returned two thirds of its starters in twenty twenty five,

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so the team that a year earlier had won eleven

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games and being the Big twelve champions, so they just

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they always were going to have to replace a lot

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of starters irrespective of their decisions with Levitt and really

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in twenty twenty six, but I don't think that they're

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going to fall off as much as what some people

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the rankings continue to update, but I think they're nights

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in the transfer in the country in the transfer portal rankings,

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which is quite high. That's, of course, that's what enabled

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Texas Tech to be so has a great team this

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year was how how great to deport in the in

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the transfer portal. I don't think a SU is going

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going to be uh competitive, you know, broadly, uh, in

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a way that I think translates to the field.

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these A s U quarterbacks ending up at L s U.

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l s U with Lang Kiff and Jim Daniels went there,

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uh not too many years ago. Uh, prior to jumping

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into the NFL doing great things in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: What's that?

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Speaker 3: What's up with Tempe and I guess Baton Rouge being

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Speaker 4: Well, they have tremendous athletes and offensive line play from

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the South Louisiana Houston, that's just an extraordinarily talent rich area.

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high potency weapons that wide out and a lot of

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protection along the offensive lines. It's if you are if

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you're an A list quarterback transfer like a stores Bea

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or Sam Levitt, you want to go to a place

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that has weapons in abundance all over the place because

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it makes it easier for you, and then that helps

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the way that you're perceived from a draft standpoint working

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to the NFL level. So noally are they going to

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get paid the most, but they presumably, I mean the

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idea of it would be for them to also be

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surrounded by tons of talent. Le Kiffin's not going to

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go to LSU unless he believes that financially that school

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is not going to take a back seat to anybody.

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That's why he left. It's easy at LSU with all

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of the support and resources that exists there to be

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able to build extremely potent teeth. Event the added benefit

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quarterbacks and with high, high powered offenses, and so that

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that's why that is such a enticing thing for somebody

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like Sam Levitt.

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Speaker 2: Talking know the foe.

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Speaker 3: In this segment, b yu as U Big Twelve conversation

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Speaker 2: Let's pivot over to some hoop talk. If we could b.

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Speaker 3: Yu ASU on the dock at this ASU team nine

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to five on the season own one in Big twelve

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play b Yu a heavy favorite in this game at home.

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Should be a Wild and Rockets one at the Marriage

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Speaker 2: Seven pm on January seventh.

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Speaker 3: For those that aren't going to be going to the game,

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it'll be broadcast on Peacock and NBCs.

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Speaker 2: And give me a little preview.

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Speaker 3: What is what is a AU doing on the hardwood ride?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 4: Well, they had a really great non conference relative to expectations,

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at least until they lost to Oregon. Stayed at home

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to conclude right before the Christmas break that was a

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bad loss. Before that they had been saying really well,

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Bobby Hurley had to replace essentially his entire roster only

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had one scholarship player returning he's in the final year

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of his contract with a kind of a lame duck situation.

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to continue beyond this year, which is eleventh season in Tempe.

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by Maurice Odom who's a point guard transfer. He had

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been at Pepperdine. He was third or fourth nationally in

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a last year. As you lost. It's the twelve opener

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at home to Colorado, very close games in the second half.

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Cuder gone either way. They have a sluggish first half.

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something like that, along with a ASU high of a

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dozen assists.

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Speaker 5: So he's the.

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Speaker 4: Engine that kind of drives everything for the sun levels.

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And then they have a big man named Masamba Jopp

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who's from Senegal. He's a freshman and he's been quite

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an impressive revelation who's played very well in recent weeks.

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He continues to get better. He's mobile, he's fluid, he

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runs before, he's a big passer, he's got hands, feet,

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plays above the rim. So he's somebody that's formidable and

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increasingly so, I would say on the interior. They're going

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to need those guys to play at a very high

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level to be able to compete with BYU or really

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most of the Big Twelve, which as is still not

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one of the one of the top half of the

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teams in the Big Twelve. But they're good enough that

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they could be a tournament team or at least a

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team in consideration for the NCAA Tournament if they're able

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to have a successful Big Calls schedule.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like I mean, look the scattering report.

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I don't know if you've chatted with the coaching staff

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of ASU and in the media availabilities that have occurred

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down there, But you know what, what is the buzz

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and the scattering report on this BYU team? And how

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do they can how can they slow down the trio

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of aj rob Ryde and Richie Saunders.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So ASU's biggest flaw, two flaws, I would say,

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have been transition defense and then especially when they're not pressing,

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and then eliminating second chance points and offensive rebounds from opponents.

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even spending out to the three point line, but they

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they let too many possessions get a second look at

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in transition. So my sense is that they're probably going

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to play more. It's hard to do because they're not

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super deep, so they'll have to be smart about it,

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but they'll probably have some more extended three quarter court

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actually trying to get them more intensely evolved. And then

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they're going to try to make sure that they secure

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the glasses, you know, byus the potent and you can't.

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one shot now with contested shots, and ASH hasn't always

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been able to do that successfully enough against the better

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opponents that it's face on its schedule, of which by

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Speaker 3: And see, yeah, it's definitely an intriguing matchup. B YU

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extra talented, well coached, well resourced. How would you describe

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the resources being allocated to ASU basketball versus a SU

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football right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say it's last year. Bobby Hurley had

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a lot of resources on his roster, but that didn't

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really materialize in the way that he and the program

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had hoped between Jayden Queen and and jofun San and others.

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injuries and they were kind of unlucky with some things.

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their freshmen ended up transferring. And I think what happened

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as a result was the school decided from a revenue

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year standpoint, Okay, they're going to have to prove it

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this year. We need to prioritize making sure that football

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and other things are our resource. I'm going to have

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a new basketball. Women's basketball coach, Baldi Miller's done a

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great job of it. In her first year. They only

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lost one game to this point, which you know, so

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Hurley is in right now, and there's a lot of

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eyeballs paying attention to whether or not he's gonna be

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able to come out of this thing unscathed.

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Speaker 3: Why is Bobby Hurley the guy that is supposed to

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lead this team? I mean, how would you describe the

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Bobby Hurley era starting back what it was about a

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decade ago?

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Speaker 4: Well, that's ah, that would take a whole other segment probably,

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So they had to guard you kind of early on

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in his tenure, they had. He built up a lot

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of momentum and and success. They were selling out the

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arena and there are a lot of positive things, but

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then I think the administration did a poor job of

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turning that into more resources. They have a one of

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the more outdated arenas in the conference, if not the

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most outdated, and I think that they've been sort of

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challenged administratively, and it's not it wasn't really. Also, Bobby

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Hurley's personality type or tendency to be out there drumming

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the beat to try to raise more money in things.

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I think he's done a better job of that more

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recently as he's as he's revolved to this idea of

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what caused basketball has become. So there's plenty of blame

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to go around for why AFU hasn't ever been passed

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the round of sixty four in the NCAA Tournament. In

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the Hurley's ten prior seasons, I think that they've tended

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to not be good enough shooting the ball from the

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perimeter and not as efficient as they should be with

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shot selection and their ability to execute at a really

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high level on the offensive end, and then I think

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this year they've been better at those things reasonably compared

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to the average historically, and a bunch of European and

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international players, like half of their team are more than

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international players who who arrived with like a very good

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feel I think for how to play the game together

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in a way that maybe wasn't president in earlier periods

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at all times. But then they've had some of the

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defensive issues and just physicality maybe on that side. That's

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that's held them back this year. So there's there's just

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really so much that goes into answering that type of question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm intrigued about the future of the Big Twelve, right,

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is what I'm getting at. You're looking at the resources

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being allocated to football and basketball, and you wonder, Okay,

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you know, what does future the Big Twelve look like?

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How how potent, how how how successful would these Big

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Twelve teams be comparative to the other power conferences?

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Speaker 2: How do you see it? Obviously, Brett Yormark is a

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great leader.

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Speaker 3: I like where he's uh, he's taken this conference from

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my perch, But how do you see it?

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Speaker 4: Well, there's so many schools around the Big Twelve where

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basketball is ultra important, like even more important than football

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in a lot of cases. You look at Arizona in

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Kansas and some of these other schools, right, so there's

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going to be a huge disparity in how some of

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these schools decide to allocate resources in the revenue sharing.

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The revenue share, twenty point five million is being paid

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to athletes except for schools that have scholarship expansion from

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like football eighty five to one oh five. Not all

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schools had to do that, but if you did, you

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have to commit two point five million to scholarships that

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twenty point five million. So then the rest of that money,

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like eighteen million in the case of ASU, around seventy

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five percent of that's going to football. But at some

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of these schools, they're having that split be a little

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bit more generous to basketball and maybe less so to football,

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and they're trying to make that up in nil so

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there's strategy involved depending upon what are the most important

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things at these schools to the fan bases, and then

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also depending upon the booster ability to deliver additional resources

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through nil SO, and then also overlaying all of this

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is you have this new entity called the college Sports Commission,

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which doesn't really have teeth yet from an enforcement standpoint,

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But all these schools are supposed to be signing off

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to an agreement to allow the College Sports Commission to

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determine fair market evaluation of nils, and if that happens,

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that also could change the way that some of these

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teams are resourced in basketball versus football. I would say,

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to directly answer it, the Big Twelve is one of

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the best basketball conferences in the country and I don't

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anticipate that changing because it's too important to the school

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stand bases at the spots where basketball is just so important.

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Speaker 3: When you look at the bowl records conference versus conference,

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what conclusions can be drawn about where the Big Big

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Twelve stands amongst the other power conferences.

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Speaker 4: Not too much. It's you're not necessarily playing it's not

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all equivalent or fair. And then you have a lot

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of variable like the opt outs and the transfers and

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the early NFL declarations stuff that makes it very I

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think difficult to tell. The Big Ten and I think

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was the best conference in football this year, followed by

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the SEC, and probably the gap from the SEC to

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the Big Twelve, or at least the better teams in

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the Big Twelve and the better teams and the ACC

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wasn't as much as maybe some people fought would be

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the case. They've had a lot, they had a lot

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of great quarterbacks in the Big Twelve this year. That's

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why you're seeing some of those quarterbacks be the top

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of the market in the transfer portal. I think that

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helped a lot. People tended to kind of think that

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the SEC was really superior to the Big Twelve, and

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it probably actually wasn't that superior in terms of the

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actual product on the field. I think the Big Twelve

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with a highly competitive conference, and you know that's I

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think that's going to continue to be the case. Coaching

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is very good, the schemes are very good. The SEC

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tends to have you know, bigger, stronger line play, and

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also really good athletes, but maybe not quite as much

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of the skill and finets that exists in the Big Twelve.

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I think the Big Ten was the best conference in football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most agree there.

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Speaker 3: The fall from grace has the SEC fallen from grace

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as the college football capitalism landscape, the uh, the you

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know this free market is that even the playing field

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and the SEC will no longer have its foothold on uh,

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the the college football you know power.

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Speaker 4: Structure a little bit. I think it's too early to

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say that because this evolution is still like this was

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the first year of revenue sharing, so I think the

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SEC they still have a lot of basing advantages and

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we'll have to see what happens with NIL and the

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rules around that. You know, a year from now could

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be a lot different than they are as we're having

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this conversation. And what impact that might have I think

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is I think it's a little bit got to read

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the tea leaves, but there's more parody across the top

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of the food chain in college football. We saw that

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for sure this year. And then you have you have

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untraditional programs that have arisen like Indiana. I sort of

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knew Indiana is just extremely well healed with boosters. I

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saw that with basketball first early at the NIL and

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then they made a phenomenal higher with Kurt Sinnetti. He's

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a great coach. And then they have a lot of

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resources now, but they're not the only ones. Like Vanderbilt

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has a lot of resources that it didn't used to

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that makes it a lot of much better team and

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Texas Tech, between Cody Campbell and other billionaire benefactors, is

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not getting out spent by almost anybody in terms of

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its roster roster building, and in fact, the Texas legislature

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and Tennissee legislators they've been the least willing to sign

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off on the this new college Sports Commission. I think

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because they're concerned about getting up an advantage that they

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have financially with n IL. So ultimately, this is probably

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trending toward collective bargaining and players becoming employees. I just

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don't know that that's for sure, but I also have

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very low confidence on how long that might take for

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us to get between here and there.

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Speaker 3: Chris Best, Chris Best. Way to support you, what you do,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys do great work over there at Sundevilesurce

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I can't wait to see, uh you know what happens

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with this, uh this transfer portal era, right this transfer

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portal season. It sounds like ashe's gonna to try to

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swing big and hit big. You guys have already picked up,

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haven't you guys already picked up some pretty good prospects

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already through the portal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. Cutter Bowley is seventeenth rank quarterback in

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the portal. A Marion Miller is number two at wide

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receiver and number nine overall. That's like massive. He's actually

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higher rated than Jordan Tyson was when when as he

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got Jordan Tyson, also from Colorado, Tyson moved down to

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the number two. Mamaron Miller's a little bit further along

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than when ASU got Jordan Tyson, and Tyson was coming

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off a pretty catastrophic knee injury. So that that's that's

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a big development. And as he is going to end

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up again with probably like eighteen to twenty players, they

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need they have some big time visitors that are on campus,

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including Noah Carter, who's a defensive end from Alabama who

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was originally from the Phoenix area. I think he was

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the number three ranked prospect two years ago in his

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high school class in Arizona. And they have they have

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a wide receiver from Boston College on campus right now,

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Reed Harris, who is I think the number four wide

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receiver I want to say, in the transfer portal. So

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they have a chance to put together a pretty impressive hall.

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They need defensive ends, they need defensive backs. They're gonna

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definitely need to hand on some guys to help them

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replace out going starters. Day Lost, keep aving me and

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Jamie Robinson av he's going to the NFL Draft. He

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and Robinson is transferring to Wisconsin again financial decision, and

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they probably need a couple of alignment offensive alignment also.

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But they have twenty a young impressive players that are

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returning that are going to combine with these transfers and

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they're probably end up with the top twenty transfer class

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in the country.

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Speaker 2: Love your work, Chris, appreciate your time today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Chris, my pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Welcome in aeron Torres, college football, college basketball insider. You

523
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love to follow them on Fox Sports radio and online.

524
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:20,799
Speaker 2: What's up erin.

525
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 4: Good Man? How are we doing today? Everything's gonna go

526
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:24,960
with you.

527
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:27,839
Speaker 5: I mean, b whyew teams that I call and never lose,

528
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:28,960
So you must be doing good.

529
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

530
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,319
Speaker 3: The last two years have done BYU pretty gosh daying good.

531
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 2: Power four.

532
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:40,839
Speaker 3: The Power for Labor label combined with the frame market

533
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:45,079
has allowed BYU to thrive. And I remember we wandered

534
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,559
the wilderness of independence for over a decade.

535
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: We were stiff farmed by the power brokers.

536
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,359
Speaker 3: And the conferences for almost fifty years after winning a

537
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,519
lot of games on the hardwood and a lot of

538
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:00,799
games on the football field.

539
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: So we're finally finally.

540
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 3: Reaping some rewards with the you know, being involved in

541
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,200
the club.

542
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,079
Speaker 2: We finally got invited to the club, and now we're winning.

543
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 5: Brom Well, I'll tell you, I think I'm uniquely built

544
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,640
in some ways to understand that, because I am an

545
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:23,119
alum of one of only two FBS FBS football independence

546
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,839
and it's not Notre Dame, it's the University of Connecticut.

547
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,680
And not to make this a Yukon segment, but.

548
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Speaker 4: The reason that Yukon.

549
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Speaker 5: Is in this situation is because they were in a

550
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,759
power conference, the Big East at the time. The Big

551
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:38,720
East disc bands, they go to the American They dominate

552
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:41,480
basketball everywhere they go. They just came off a nine

553
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:44,240
win football season back to back nine when football season

554
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,480
as a matter of fact, and they just lost their

555
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,279
head coach. Because because that, you know, there's not really

556
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a spot in any of these power conferences for them

557
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,000
to join in all sports, and so they're kind of

558
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:59,039
in this weird middle ground, So I understand, but it's

559
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:00,680
funny you bring it up because you know, you and

560
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,920
I I think connected really right around the time that

561
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,119
Kevin Young got the basketball job, and I interviewed him

562
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,160
for the first time, probably about two months after he

563
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,319
got the job, when that first rollster that made the

564
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Sweet sixteen was basically set, and I said to him,

565
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I said, you know, what do you say to people

566
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that say the only reason d why he as good

567
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is because of Nil? And I just explicitly remember him saying, listen,

568
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you know there's my MBA background. But he said the

569
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other two things. He said, We're not going to deny

570
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the role that Nil is playing. But he also said,

571
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we're in the Big twelve. And if you're you know,

572
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,720
in his case, you're a basketball player, why wouldn't you

573
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,799
want to play in the Big twelve Arizona, Houston, Iowa State.

574
00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:41,680
And I think it's certainly transitioned to football as well,

575
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where you know, you guys can donate me to tell

576
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,119
you about the success of the football team, but you

577
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,880
know you can't undersell the combination of those two things.

578
00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,480
Nil with the Big twelve, and in the case that

579
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:59,000
Kevin Young in basketball, the Big twelve with his NBA background.

580
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,920
Either way, just from a distance, it feels like a

581
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,200
great time to vi a coop agan.

582
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Speaker 4: It seems like a fun.

583
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 5: Time to be following those two teams. Specifically, How do you.

584
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 3: Feel about the Power conference structure right now? We got

585
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the bowl games under our belt. Now we see how

586
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,840
the the individual conferences performed against each other.

587
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,519
Speaker 2: That's why we like bowl season.

588
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: Some say bowl games don't matter, but when you really

589
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,480
get down to it's like, well, no, they do matter

590
00:34:27,519 --> 00:34:30,079
because we're going to be comparing power forwards versus power

591
00:34:30,119 --> 00:34:31,559
fowards more often than not.

592
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, we actually did this on my radio

593
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,039
show the other day of you know, especially with the

594
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:45,840
set struggling, is bowl record indicator any more of conference success?

595
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,559
I don't think that it is necessarily, But what I

596
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,159
will say, you know, one, we can't deny that in

597
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,760
the Big Ten they are certainly having more postseason success

598
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than they ever have, and not just because there's a

599
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twelve team playoff but whatever. But also, you know, I

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thought it was an important thing for Miami to be

601
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having the success that they have because you know, I

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think even BYU finally being in the Big twelve, it

603
00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:13,400
feels like the real power brokers in these sports are

604
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,800
trying to almost make this a big two, big ten

605
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,119
SEC and then you know, essentially another two after that

606
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with the Big twelve in the a CEC. So I

607
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think Miami being relevant is important.

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Speaker 4: Listen.

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Speaker 5: I know it didn't go well for Texas Tech, but

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I think we know that they're going to be a

611
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factor going forward. You know, I still think BYU could

612
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have made noise that they had made the College Football Playoff.

613
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,039
You know, Notre Dame is kind of a unique situation

614
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:39,360
in their own right, but I think they could have

615
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made noise. So I think the whole ecosystem is important

616
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,519
to kind of you know, status quo is not really

617
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:47,400
the right word, but to just make sure that we

618
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,639
are not going towards this again NFC AFC model where

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one hundred percent of the power is is in just

620
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those two conferences as opposed to the Power four and

621
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maybe an independent like Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that the SEC has fallen from grace?

623
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,519
Speaker 2: Do you think that they will.

624
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,599
Speaker 3: Take a third or fourth seed in the power conference

625
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,519
structure in the years to come? Right they was in

626
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,159
Bruce Feldman did an article recently I don't know if

627
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:21,199
you've read through it, but he quoted a number of

628
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,119
anonymous coaches, some in the you know, all around the country, right,

629
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:27,880
And I think one of the quotes essentially said, isn't

630
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,000
it interesting that when paying players became proper?

631
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: Right?

632
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 3: Because I always said it was legal to do it,

633
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,280
is just improper to execute it. The batman of the

634
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,440
SEC no longer could just do it without any They

635
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,519
were just better cheaters, essentially, is what they're they're alluding to.

636
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:48,159
Now everyone can do it, and now the playing field

637
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,400
is ultimately leveled.

638
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,679
Speaker 2: You wonder how far will at the SEC fall.

639
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: Now that everybody can do what they were doing for shoot,

640
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the last thirty years.

641
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, one hundred percent.

642
00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,039
Speaker 1: You know.

643
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 5: And I know this isn't you know, necessarily applicable to

644
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,239
a BYU show, But you know when last year in

645
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,519
the playoff when Georgia lost to Notre Dame, when the

646
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,039
final four was Ohio State, Penn State. As crazy as

647
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,639
that sounds, but it was Penn State Notre Dame in Texas.

648
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,400
You know, I remember on my doing a deep dive

649
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:23,400
of you know, you look at just alumni bases, you

650
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,039
look at you know, living alumni, you look at endowment,

651
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,719
and it's like, you know, I think we are headed

652
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,360
towards a world where you know, I don't think the

653
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,400
power is going to be instructured. You know, in college football,

654
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,519
maybe more than any other sport, it just goes through

655
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,960
cycles where different things matter at different points. Right. I

656
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,199
think the SEC had this great run because there was

657
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,920
this you know, one, there's what you said, but two,

658
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,960
you know, it really did. I think for a while,

659
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:56,840
just mean more, they were paying players. You know, there's

660
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,920
a concentration of really good players in the South, and

661
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,880
there was no transfer portal whatever. Well, now and I

662
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,400
was talking to somebody who basically runs a collected today.

663
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,639
Now it's basically like, you know, how much are you

664
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:10,639
gonna pay me? And can you help me get to

665
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,760
the league? And and I think it's less important now

666
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,960
than ever before of the name on the front of

667
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,760
the jersey as opposed to you know, all of those

668
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,440
other things, you know, And it was kind of in

669
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,159
reference to you know, Lane Kiffen the whole, you know,

670
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,679
posing in front of the exact quote. Let me put

671
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,039
it this way there, you're gonna kick out of it,

672
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,280
you know, they were saying, you know how Lane Kiffen.

673
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,599
He wants to have all his recruits pose in front

674
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:34,840
of a Bentley. He goes, you know how these kids

675
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,760
probably have a Bentley at this point. Okay, so it's like, well,

676
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,000
you know, what are you going to do for and

677
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once they get to campus. And so I do think

678
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:44,920
it's just an interesting dynamic, and I think to take

679
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,159
it to by you, to take it to the Big twelve.

680
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:49,119
You know, I think a lot of these schools are

681
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:53,440
positioned really well in these two sports going forward. You know,

682
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,719
Texas Tech certainly has set itself apart in football. You

683
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,239
know you would know better, but I do know publicly

684
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:02,599
what is and said about kind of Kolonie Sataki's restructure

685
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,400
contract or what it will mean for BYU football, and

686
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:10,280
then in basketball, you know, BYU in great shape. Texas

687
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,719
Tech obviously, you know, I think Arizona will have what

688
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,000
it needs on an annual basis to compete. And so

689
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:19,519
I know you were asking about football specifically and kind

690
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:23,039
of the three nil nil that the SEC may have

691
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:25,679
been doing ten fifteen years ago, But I think it's

692
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,119
a great point overall as to how the dynamics of

693
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:32,239
what matters to recruits have changed, and maybe it's fading

694
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away from the SEC, and I do think we're seeing

695
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,519
the impact of that on the field right now.

696
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Speaker 3: I'm sure many in the Big ten would still love

697
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to get the call up right there or sorry, the

698
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,079
Big Twelve. Many of the Big Twelve would like to

699
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:48,719
get the call up to the Big Ten or to

700
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,679
the SEC right they want to be a part of

701
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:55,679
the power to structure. Who would be the most likely

702
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,000
brands to get the call up? Utah fans say it's them,

703
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,559
you know, if any BYU fans think it's it's them.

704
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:04,159
But you know, who would be the next to get

705
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:07,239
the call up to the Big ten or the SEC

706
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,000
to create this power two structure that the SEC and

707
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:14,719
Big ten seemingly want and maybe even ESPN and Fox

708
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,239
wanted as well.

709
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Speaker 5: You know, it's a great question. The one thing I

710
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would say, there's so many power dynamics at play, right,

711
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,360
you know, to nerd out for a second on old

712
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,400
school realignment. You know, fifteen years ago the Big twelve

713
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,920
almost broke up and Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, we're gonna go

714
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,880
to the Pac twelve with Texas and I think it

715
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was Texas, A and M. And so I bring it

716
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up because you know, if Oklahoma State gets hot with

717
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the new coaching staff Eric Morris and you know Drew

718
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,079
Mestimaker and what they're doing, could they you know, they

719
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,920
could become the best team in the Big Twelve. But

720
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if Oklahoma doesn't want him in the SEC, what does

721
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that mean for them? If Texas Tech, If Texas and

722
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:55,800
Texas A and M don't want Texas Tech and the SEC,

723
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what does it mean for them? So I just bring

724
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it up because I think it's hard to say. I

725
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,239
will say I do think bigger picture. You know, we

726
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,880
kind of know who are some of the programs that

727
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,639
have kind of separated themselves in the current Big Twelve

728
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:12,079
the last couple of years. And so again I hadn't

729
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,079
really given it much thought, but listen, I think anyone

730
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:19,320
that would be hypothetically, you know, putting out offers to

731
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certain teams in certain programs, they'd want to see winning success,

732
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,079
winning results, and so you know, you can kind of

733
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,079
put together from there who those teams could hypothetically be.

734
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Speaker 2: There was a quote from Joel Klatt.

735
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw this recently, he's attacking ESPN,

736
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,559
you know, the mothership this is.

737
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Speaker 2: I know he's attacking him love Joey. I know, I know,

738
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,079
it's pretty crazy.

739
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: Joe Klatt has been a hiss and a byword in

740
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,599
kugarnation at times, especially as he had a love fest

741
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:51,159
with other.

742
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:52,559
Speaker 2: Teams not named BYU.

743
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,639
Speaker 3: Finally came a little bit of He came around a

744
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bit right towards the end of it, but I don't

745
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know if he was ever really sold on b Why

746
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,320
you getting into the college football Playoff?

747
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,159
Speaker 2: It is what it is.

748
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: But I thought this was an impactful commentary from Joel Klatt.

749
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,639
Not very happy about what's going on with the ESPN

750
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,079
exclusive college football deal, he said this, they chose the

751
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:21,519
wrong path when it comes to the presentation of this playoff.

752
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,360
There is no playoff that should be a single television partner.

753
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,920
It just shouldn't because the presentation is important, in particular

754
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,280
when you're down to this point in the sport where

755
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,079
you're trying to showcase games. Let's face it, it'd be

756
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:39,880
better if every network was given an a level broadcast

757
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,719
versus a single presenter, in particular when the single presenter

758
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,159
has a deep relationship with just one conference within college football.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, I love Joel, I do think that's probably a

761
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,159
little bit self serving, given that you know he would

762
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be on the call for one of these games.

763
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Speaker 4: But I will say it is an.

764
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Speaker 5: Interesting point because and this was one of the things

765
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when ESPM got the exclusive rights to the twelve team

766
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expanded Playoff. And I know that they've since sub licensed

767
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:15,519
out a lot of these games to Turner. But the

768
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whole point of expanding, if you remember, it was right

769
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after the Big ten signed that deal that with CBS,

770
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BOTS and NBC, and it kind of had an NFL

771
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,960
feel to it. Multiple networks, cross promotion, this and that,

772
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,599
and the understanding at the time was type, when we

773
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:33,800
expand the college football Playoff, we're going to involve different networks,

774
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going to evolve different this, We're gonna involve different debt.

775
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And so I just bring it up only to say

776
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that to me, it always felt weird that the second

777
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that this thing expanded to twelve that it was solely

778
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an ESPN property. And so, you know, I don't have

779
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,519
much more on that, but I find it interesting, and

780
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:54,840
like I said, it was always weird to me that

781
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,599
this is where we ended up once we expanded the playoff.

782
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,440
I think there's probably something.

783
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Speaker 3: To that with what you s Yeah, well, where does

784
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:05,360
the Big Big twelve standard all news? How do you

785
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,039
feel what's the level of optimism? Uh should there be?

786
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,760
What level of optos should there be amongst the Big

787
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,599
twelve members right now about their future?

788
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think it's certainly would have helped

789
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,000
if Texas Tech had shown a little bit better. And

790
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,400
I think, you know, I think America got to appreciate

791
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,679
how good that defense is, but they needed a little

792
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:27,039
bit more offensively. I think the good thing is it

793
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,920
is very obvious with the Brendan soorsby you know, transaction

794
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,480
if you will, that they're not flowing down. And just

795
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:35,840
because they had success, and just because we have this

796
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,920
this house settlement that you know, they you know, they

797
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,280
don't seem to be abiding by a million dollar house settlement.

798
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:44,599
And you know, I'll leave it up to them as

799
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,119
how they disperst their money. I really don't care, you know,

800
00:44:48,199 --> 00:44:51,400
but I do think it's important that BYU continues on

801
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,960
the trajectory that it's on. I do think it's important

802
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,079
that you know, frankly, you know, the guys across the

803
00:44:58,119 --> 00:45:01,000
state continue to have success. As Kyle Winningham starts at

804
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,280
another job, and I think that's really what it is

805
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,239
is I think having year in and year out, multiple

806
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,920
teams or at least one that can really compete at

807
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,800
the highest level. Right. It's funny how we talked about

808
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,280
how bad the ACC was all year. Now all of

809
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,719
a sudden, Miami you know, punks Texas A and NS

810
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,559
Texas A and m punks Ohio State, all of a sudden,

811
00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:25,119
it doesn't seem to be as much of a talking point.

812
00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:27,440
So I think it's on the Big twelve keep doing

813
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,599
what they've been doing. You know, Like I said, I

814
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:33,480
think there, especially in football, I think there's probably three

815
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:36,320
to four schools that can spend at maybe a different level,

816
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,719
that can put together a different caliber of roster. And

817
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,320
then I think you just got to have success once

818
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,199
you get to the postseason. I think as importantly, you know,

819
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,760
success in out of conference games. And actually, then I

820
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,760
have one more thought. I don't want to go along,

821
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,440
Can I Can I expand on one thing really quick?

822
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Speaker 4: Or are we short on top?

823
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 2: No? No, you go ahead, we got some time.

824
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 5: Okay, what I was gonna say was, and you and

825
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,639
I didn't talk during the whole playoff, uh situation? You know,

826
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,000
BYU being left out. One guy that I was pretty

827
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,320
disappointed in throughout the process was brett Or Mark, And

828
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,599
you know, I vividly remember him at Big twelve media

829
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:16,280
day all the way back in July saying we expect

830
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,719
to have two teams in the college football playoff and

831
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,079
for about three weeks, you know, I don't know how

832
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:25,639
you feel about it or how you did feel about

833
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:27,719
it then, but you know, for about three weeks you

834
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,320
could see the BYU saying coming of they're here now,

835
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,519
but if they lose to Texas Techa second time, and

836
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,679
you know that's assuming there's no crazy upsets late, you know,

837
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Notre Dame doesn't take a weird loss in Miami, whatever.

838
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:42,159
You could see the scenario where BYU was going to

839
00:46:42,199 --> 00:46:44,239
be left out if they were if they lost in

840
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,559
the Big twelve championship game.

841
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 4: And you know, it was something.

842
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 5: That I kind of fought on my platforms, but I

843
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,519
was disappointed that brett Or Mark, who for months was

844
00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:56,360
talking about we deserve multiple teams, We deserve this, we

845
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,000
deserve that. All of a sudden, you're on the cusp

846
00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:02,039
of having multiple teams and you got guys like Aaron

847
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:04,199
Torres and I'm not comparing myself to this guy, because

848
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,039
he's got a way bigger platform than I have. But

849
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,519
Dave Portinoy, why why is Dave Portannoy advocating more for

850
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,280
the Big Twelve than than Brett Ormark was. So that

851
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,000
to me was a disappointing thing, especially because he was

852
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:18,960
so vocal about how he believed that the conference as

853
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,039
a whole played good enough football where they should have

854
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:23,719
two teams in the College Football playoffs.

855
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,159
Speaker 2: You think Brett's just positioning himself to enter the.

856
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 5: Portal Conference USA, you know, I'm I heard Dee Gottlie's

857
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,960
complaining about the commissioner and their conference and whatever, you know,

858
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,280
whatever conference he's in. So maybe that's what freye ormark.

859
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,599
So then maybe that's where he's transitioning. I don't know, man,

860
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:41,639
I just you know, listen.

861
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:47,559
Speaker 3: I think he's sixty one. Sank sixty one? What he said,

862
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,440
I said, Greg Sankie's sixty one years of age.

863
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,519
Speaker 2: He's almost to the right time and age.

864
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 5: Well, all I'm saying is, you know, I think he's

865
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,199
done a lot of very savvy stuff in terms of,

866
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,719
you know, creating the brands of the Big Twelve and

867
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:07,239
you know, basically positioning the League is the third power

868
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,880
conference of the four. But I thought he really dropped

869
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,280
the ball without publicly coming out and support at by

870
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,639
you until and I couldn't be wrong what it was.

871
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,079
It was either the day of the Big twelve championship

872
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:22,239
game or afterward, when it was really a two or

873
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,400
three or four week story that you could see coming

874
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,239
up your pen attention.

875
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree with I think there's some

876
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,719
constructive criticism that could be laid on the shoulders of

877
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:37,760
Brett Yormark really wasn't a vocal advocate, what I mean,

878
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,960
or his teams that were trending in that direction. Maybe

879
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,840
he didn't buy into what they were building. Apparently there

880
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,599
you have it, say erin Taurus, Aaron, best way to

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support you? What you do, how you do it for

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all of our listeners.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, the Air Torris podcast every morning, YouTube you

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BYU a.

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Speaker 4: Little bit on the show.

889
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Speaker 5: I guess it would have been yesterday kind of recapping

890
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,880
the YU basketball opener. I think that they're the most

891
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,920
underdiscussed team in America thirteen and one.

892
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Speaker 4: It just feels like nobody's talking about them.

893
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, the power couple of football and basketball at BYU.

894
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: They got to be at.

895
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Speaker 3: Least a top a top ten, top five team with

896
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those two teams combined. When you combine both of them,

897
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,920
they are trending in the right direction, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: I can't think of anybody who would be ranked higher

899
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,800
right now. But we'll see if Ky and the boys

900
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can keep it up. But I think they will. They're

901
00:49:38,519 --> 00:49:40,760
playing really well. I think just because they don't have

902
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,719
that super signature win, I don't think they.

903
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 4: Get enough credit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally get that. Aeron Torris, Ladies and gentlemen, Thanks

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so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 5: Brother, all right, Ben, we'll do it again soon.

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Speaker 4: Brother, Thanks, you appreciate you.

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