WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:06.400 Ripped up. 2 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:10.880 News needs who you don't have? 3 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:15.519 Come running just as fast as we can. 4 00:00:16.839 --> 00:00:18.760 Shooter's gonna help come. 5 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:25.719 Man is the Troubleshooter Show. No Tom Martino, Hey Tom 6 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:29.160 Martino here, Welcome to the show. Three oh three seven 7 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.079 one three talk is the number. The phones were locked up, 8 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:33.719 so if you tried to call and you can get in, 9 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:36.320 but you can also call three oh three Martino twenty 10 00:00:36.320 --> 00:00:39.200 four to seven, three oh three six two seven eight 11 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:41.960 four six six. If you're a first time listener, it 12 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:44.600 would thrill me to death, by the way, because being 13 00:00:44.640 --> 00:00:46.880 here for forty five years, having new listeners would be 14 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:50.759 a cool thrill. And we love you. Also. We solve problems, 15 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:53.200 we answer questions, we take complaints, We make life a 16 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:56.359 little easier. We talk about everyday life, the things that 17 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:58.439 tick you off, the things that make you tick. And 18 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:04.680 a lot happening in the consumer world always because everything 19 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:10.359 hits you with the economy, everything whether you're buying or selling, 20 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:12.799 or whether you're have a home service or whether you're 21 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:17.120 thinking about moving, or whether you have a car and 22 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:20.239 need service. But I mean there's our banking or finance. 23 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:23.879 Oh my god, there's just so many things, including water, 24 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.640 That's why I love water Pros. Never lets the customer 25 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:29.439 down the best systems at the lowest prices. Waterpros dot 26 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:33.000 net right now it's only until Labor Day. You have 27 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:34.799 to so I guess you'd have to call. You have 28 00:01:34.879 --> 00:01:36.760 to book it by then. You don't have to have 29 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:42.120 it installed. Whole house conditioning and whole house purification thirty 30 00:01:42.159 --> 00:01:44.519 one ninety five, both of those would cost way over 31 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:47.920 four grand. That's with water Pros. If you went somewhere else, 32 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:51.719 they cost over ten thousand. Thirty one ninety five fully 33 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:54.159 installed Waterpros dot Net three zo three eight six two 34 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:57.439 five five five four. One of the favorite topics real estate. 35 00:01:57.439 --> 00:02:02.079 Stephanie Thomas is with us. Stephanie is a bud from long, long, 36 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.120 long time bud, and she does real estate in the 37 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:10.120 Springs area. The Springs area is it pretty much? Does 38 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.319 it mirror Denver or do you see times that they're 39 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:15.080 completely different stuff? 40 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:18.520 You know, I've always thought that the Springs market has 41 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:21.479 been it mirrors but maybe a little behind. So when 42 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:23.520 the Denver markets boom in, I feel like the Springs 43 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:27.240 takes a little bit to catch up. But lately I've 44 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:29.800 kind of heard some differences I've heard that Denver's market 45 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:30.439 is still. 46 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:31.120 Moving pretty well. 47 00:02:32.159 --> 00:02:34.479 Colorado Springs, we're seeing pretty good days on market right 48 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.840 now across the board, So longer on market absolutely. I 49 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.000 pulled a report yesterday for a client in Colorado Springs. 50 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.879 In all of our active properties in Colorado Springs, we 51 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.319 were seeing over sixty days as an average on market. 52 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.719 Oh wow, okay, what was it in its heyday? 53 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.560 Oh, we would see homes going you know, few days 54 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.759 a day, a couple of hours you'd start getting offers. 55 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.000 So typically a little negotiation. 56 00:02:57.599 --> 00:03:00.639 Timey thingks going on, supply and demand, interest rates, what 57 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:01.039 you know. 58 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:04.479 I think we've seen a pretty good increase in inventory. 59 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:07.879 I definitely think there's some economic factors going on just 60 00:03:07.879 --> 00:03:10.319 the economy as a whole, and it's an election year, 61 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:14.199 so in a traditional market, those things definitely disrupt our market, 62 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:18.560 you know, the way housing moves. Interest rates have maintained 63 00:03:18.680 --> 00:03:21.319 a higher point, even though they have come down a 64 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.680 little bit. I'm pretty hopeful that we see a FED 65 00:03:24.759 --> 00:03:27.840 decrease next month. They kind of indicated that that's a 66 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.879 possibility for us. I think if we see that, we're 67 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.719 going to see some positive action in the market. 68 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:37.120 What's the sweet spot. As far as pricing, that moves 69 00:03:37.159 --> 00:03:38.120 faster than others. 70 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:42.080 You know, I would say that under our median, so 71 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.000 under say four fifty, we could see things moving better. 72 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:48.000 But you know, I've got one under four hundred right now. 73 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:49.240 That's thirty days plus. 74 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.199 So all right, Connie is on the phone, Connie, welcome 75 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.039 to the No. No, I'm sorry, Connie is not. Okay, 76 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:58.560 that's why that notes there, Kevin, what's going on with you? Kevin? 77 00:03:58.599 --> 00:03:59.280 What's happening? 78 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:04.199 Hello Tom, and hello to Mark if he's out there. 79 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:08.319 No, he and Susanne are traveling. I think for their anniversary, 80 00:04:08.599 --> 00:04:12.960 their thirtieth anniversary, I believe, and that's wonderful. So anyway, 81 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:16.279 what's going on relative? I'm sure they're listening so high 82 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:19.319 and happy anniversary. I forget what day, exact day it 83 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:20.759 is they're anniversary. 84 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:22.879 I hope they're having a happy annivers Yeah. 85 00:04:22.959 --> 00:04:27.160 So, well, at least, uh Mark is that's funny and 86 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:28.720 I'm just kidding. What's going on? keV? 87 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:33.160 Oh, I have a relatively simple question. Yeah, I need 88 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:35.680 to have somebody come out and look at a ge 89 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:39.879 range I've got that's uh not working, the ovens not working? 90 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:43.240 Okay, this is. 91 00:04:43.360 --> 00:04:48.600 My situation is I'm blind, are almost completely blind, and 92 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:50.360 so it's a little hard for me to get on 93 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:53.240 the computer and try to look things up or to 94 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:55.240 go on and look for your referral list. 95 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:59.639 Yeah, we we're in a slump right now with applients 96 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:03.000 for pre I think, okay, I mean, hold on, that 97 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.720 doesn't mean we don't have any I have some people. 98 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:08.120 I have some people that I truly have to get 99 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:11.360 on the on the site that i've vet, I've already vetted. 100 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:15.720 They're good people. Let me just see. I am hold on, 101 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:17.560 I haven't been on there in a while for Appliance. 102 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:21.000 I don't believe we had someone we had to get 103 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.399 rid of here. Let me just see, well Jensen is 104 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:28.560 Is Jensen still on there? No, I don't know if Jensen, Yes, 105 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.480 it is, of course it is. Why would it Jensen Appliances. 106 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.240 They're great people. Now, if you want just a sole 107 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:40.800 practitioner that comes out to your house, Jensen Appliance. Let 108 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.120 me let me give you a number for Jensen okay, 109 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:52.720 three oh three, nine eight eight ninety one fifty nine. 110 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:54.439 Okay. 111 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:58.879 And then there's someone else that I've used. I guess 112 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:03.040 we're interrupting somebody. Okay, there's someone else. Now listen, man, 113 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:07.240 I just want you to know something. This guy's golden. 114 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:09.000 I don't know if you get out there. He's a single. 115 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:13.319 I've got this man so busy he's not I'm gonna 116 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:15.800 put him on hold. I can't take the talking. So 117 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:19.040 if he wants this number, I'll get it for him. 118 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:25.680 Jensen appliance is good. The other one is Roma. Roma 119 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:28.920 is an independent guy and I think he and his 120 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:32.439 wife operate this outfit. He came to my house on 121 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:35.800 a Sunday one time, a Sunday afternoon, and we have 122 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:38.160 a big thermidor. If you know what that is, it's 123 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:43.040 a big it's like a sub zero. And anyway, it 124 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:47.680 was like acting up and it's old enough that if 125 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:49.879 he told me I needed a new compressor, I would 126 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:53.879 have bought one. And he said, ninety five percent of 127 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.800 the time people would tell you need a compressor. But 128 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:03.120 it was a tiny relay. Heini relay a few bucks, 129 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:06.879 and the guy refused to overcharge or overtime pay or 130 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.480 anything on a Sunday, and he did it. I think 131 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.839 it was like one hundred and fifty bucks. This giant thermidor, 132 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:15.279 which by the way would cost over ten grand to 133 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:19.879 replace way over maybe twenty, and the compressor would have 134 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:23.920 cost about eight grand. We got done for one hundred 135 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.720 and fifty bucks. I said he had no clue. It's 136 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.240 not like he knew who I was or anything. And 137 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:35.600 I've been referring people to him. Now Listen, I don't 138 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:37.439 even know if he wants the work. I mean I 139 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.800 think he does, but he's a single guy here and 140 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:43.879 his name is Roma. Here's the number. And if he 141 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:45.680 gets a bunch of calls, you can say you heard 142 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:48.199 about him on the radio. But I'm not trying to 143 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:50.600 get him to advertise or anything. He's just a small guy. 144 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:53.879 But honest is, his day is long. And I think 145 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.199 he's Russian or Ukrainian or something. I'm sorry. I just 146 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:59.920 know he's talked with broken English. Not that that matter. 147 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:06.079 But seven to zero seven to zero nine to eight 148 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:12.720 zero four six zero nine, So keV, I hope you 149 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:14.920 got that. And it's not that I didn't want to 150 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:17.360 talk to you, Kevin, but when you're on the radio, 151 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:22.519 I can't have the side talking behind you. So Tim 152 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:27.439 had his dirt bike stolen. Oh my goodness, Oh my, 153 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:33.840 I was just talking to my stepson about his dirt 154 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.879 bike and he wants to secure it, and there's we 155 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:40.120 concluded after talking to dirt bike people, there's no way 156 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.639 to secure it. In other words, they can pick it 157 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:45.240 up and put it on the back of a pickup. 158 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:47.840 They are you know, they take a few of them 159 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.120 to pick it up. It's not exactly that light. This 160 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.600 is not a little one. But or they can put 161 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.159 it on a ramp and wheel it up where they 162 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:56.960 can just hoist it up. Or they're hard. They're hard 163 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:00.440 even if you disable the drive train. It's hard to 164 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:04.559 secure it. And it's an age old problem. What I 165 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:07.639 think you need to do is not just secure it, 166 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:11.519 but do something like the club that person now now 167 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:13.519 listen to me. Not just like a regular club that 168 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:16.480 keeps it from steering. But dig this. What if you 169 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.399 went to a dirt bike and you put a big 170 00:09:18.480 --> 00:09:23.159 horizontal and vertical bar on it where it's awkward to move, 171 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:26.600 where you almost can't get it in a pickup truck. 172 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:31.639 Think about that, a big horizontal bar and a big 173 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:35.639 vertical bar. I don't know anyway, so I don't even 174 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.679 know what Tim's calling about. I think he said his 175 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:40.279 electric dirt bike, which I didn't even know they made 176 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:44.519 We were talking about electric things. By the way, Tim, 177 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.360 they make electric dirt bikes. I didn't even know that. 178 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.879 Oh hey, tom ya, it's a Saran. 179 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.720 What does that mean? Are these new? Like I just 180 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:56.519 didn't know they even made them. 181 00:09:57.120 --> 00:09:59.759 Well, it's new to me. It's my son's and he's 182 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:00.759 a teenager. 183 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.399 So no, I understand. Now, is this like a real 184 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:05.639 Is this like a real off road dirt bike? 185 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:10.279 It's well, yeah, it's more heavy set up that way. 186 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:12.840 It looks like one it's a bigger frame than a 187 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:13.840 regular bicycle. 188 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.080 Or is it a regular or is it a regular 189 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.039 mount just an evy bike? 190 00:10:19.960 --> 00:10:21.360 Oh, you know, I don't really know the difference. I 191 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:23.440 never had ones. Like I said, it's my son's, but 192 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:25.960 it's called the Surround and it was five thousand dollars 193 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:27.679 and that was a cheap version of it. 194 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:29.039 Okay, so what about it? 195 00:10:29.879 --> 00:10:32.399 Well it's a long shot. But he goes to Lewis 196 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.960 Palmer High School and some kids down there stole it 197 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.600 from them one Sunday about riding in the backfield and uh, 198 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:41.799 there's like an abandoned house out there they went to 199 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.080 look at and then real quick going in and out 200 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:44.919 somebody took it, that. 201 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:52.879 Quick and dirt bike, and yeah, I looked at it. Yeah. 202 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:55.480 He spent last summer raising a thousand dollars to put 203 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:57.720 down it and we financed the four thousand left over 204 00:10:57.840 --> 00:10:58.559 and it's gone. 205 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:01.519 So I just so, does he did he call police? 206 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:02.639 Does he know who's stole it? 207 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.159 No, we don't. We did call police. And there's a 208 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.720 Facebook group it's called Charge Colorado Springs p e V. 209 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:13.279 And there's like over eight hundred people and they all 210 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:14.960 get together and they do these rides and he's part 211 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:17.879 of that. And I just I was told if someone 212 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:20.080 was selling it or looking you know, not a key 213 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:22.279 or a charger, then that I'll give a red flag out. 214 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:24.120 And I was just where did he steal it from? 215 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:24.519 Anything? 216 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:27.919 Right behind Lewis Palmer High School and monument. 217 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:30.759 Where was it parked while he was in school? 218 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:34.399 No, this is a field. They were down there Sunday. 219 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.399 There's a field I guess where they riders and these 220 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:37.399 little trails that go. 221 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.519 And then what was he taking a break or something? 222 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.000 Yeah, there's an abandoned house the kids were all going 223 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.080 to look at. So they're all inside this. 224 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.919 So they parked the bike and how now now it's 225 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.039 hard to steal a Tesla because you have to have 226 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:53.600 you have to activate it with a key or a 227 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:56.960 cell phone. So are these EV bikes do they have 228 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:59.799 tech where? I mean, did they activate it or did 229 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:01.440 they pick it up and carry it? Do you know? 230 00:12:02.080 --> 00:12:04.000 I think they had to wheel it because my son 231 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:06.240 took his key out and the other riders that were 232 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:09.440 with them had the keys in theirs. Somehow they just 233 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.840 took his with no key, which is very weird. 234 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:17.120 Wow, I wonder, I mean, what the technology is like. 235 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.399 I think the reason iPhones, a lot of iPhones are 236 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.840 not stolen anymore is because of the rock solid security 237 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.279 and it's almost like, well I'll steal it, but I 238 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.399 can't use it, you know. And I think the only 239 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:32.639 reason they get stolen nowadays is for parts. As far 240 00:12:32.679 --> 00:12:37.720 as evs, if they could somehow make them just so, 241 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:43.000 they absolutely do not work at all at all, you know, period, 242 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:46.240 there's like without a secret code or a pin or something, 243 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:48.200 of course, someone would try to find a way to 244 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:50.200 hack it. I don't know what to tell you. What 245 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.840 were you hoping that we would figure out here? Now? 246 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:55.840 Do you have insurance homeowner's insurance that might have off 247 00:12:55.840 --> 00:13:00.000 premises coverage or no way, they don't cover wheeled objects. 248 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.559 I don't think off. Did you check with any insurance 249 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:02.799 you have? 250 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:06.039 I haven't checked with mine yet, but I know I 251 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:09.200 had an ATV before that was stolen years ago and 252 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.240 they're like, nope, that's the SETH insurance policy. 253 00:13:11.320 --> 00:13:11.759 So I don't know. 254 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:15.600 Yeah, because it has wheels, but normally if it was 255 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.960 tools or something from the house, there's something called off 256 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:23.279 premises coverage. So you want to get the word out. 257 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.960 So what's the word? 258 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:29.440 Well, if anybody know what happens to know of anything 259 00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:31.480 down that way or you know, like I said, they 260 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:33.480 can't use it without the key or a charger. 261 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.039 So so okay, it would have been where it would 262 00:13:36.039 --> 00:13:37.039 have been. What day. 263 00:13:38.440 --> 00:13:42.120 It was Sunday this past Sunday, okay? And where three 264 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.120 in the afternoon I got in right behind Lewis Palmer 265 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:47.879 High School and Monument Okay. 266 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:53.039 So his off road bike was stolen, damn. 267 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:56.559 And like I said, there's a Facebook group called Charge 268 00:13:56.600 --> 00:14:01.519 Colorado Springs PEV okay, and there's a lot of subscribers 269 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:03.320 and all those guys they they meet up in New 270 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:05.879 weekend rides together and stuff and anybody post on there 271 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.240 and hey we we heard somebody talking or whatever. 272 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:12.399 That well, okay, if they do, if they do, I mean, 273 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:14.159 if I put your number out right now, I'm going 274 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:17.799 to warn you about something. If I do, you're going 275 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:21.000 to hear from people who are going to scam you. 276 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:24.240 They're going to say, like on Craigslist, they're going to say, 277 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:27.000 you know, we got it, we want to reward or whatever. 278 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.879 I mean, just so, how do people get in touch 279 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:31.519 with you on the Facebook group or what? 280 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:35.399 Yeah, that's well, I'm not part of that. That's my 281 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.279 son's like, he's a part of the group. So I 282 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:39.919 guess they can write on there. I don't know, Like 283 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:41.840 you said, if they overwhelm the guy's page, I don't 284 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:42.840 less they'll shut it down. 285 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:45.679 Or No, I don't think people would overwhelm the page 286 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:48.000 or anything. I just mean, if I give your number out, 287 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.679 you're open to scams. Right, Yeah, I got to take 288 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:55.200 a break back, right. I'm sorry, I'm way over time 289 00:14:55.200 --> 00:15:00.799 because I got enthralled with this story. What color was it? 290 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.600 It was blue and had a yellow headlight. 291 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:09.080 Saran s U s U r r N by the way, Saran, Yes, 292 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:12.360 And it was down in Caloro Springs on Sunday and 293 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:16.960 yes and look at If anybody just has any suspicion, 294 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:20.320 you can contact us. Hey, do me a favorite Kachina? 295 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:22.399 Would you get his number so we can call him 296 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:29.960 if we hear anything? Go with a sure thing Denver's 297 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:32.840 Best roofer Excel Roofing dot com. 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Uh, you're always looking for 309 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:20.080 dependable people. I love recommending eight eight eight heating dot com. 310 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:24.720 Now they do heating, electric, plumbing and cooling three all 311 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:29.080 three seven seven zero two seven seven six. You can 312 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:31.440 depend on them. I know them personally. Three oh three 313 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.639 seven seven zero two seven seven six. Welcome to the show. 314 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:37.320 Frank Duran joined us as we talked to Stephanie Thomas 315 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:43.600 about the Colorado Springs market. Let's talk about let's talk about, uh, 316 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:47.320 Frank Duran, their real estate man and Denver market and 317 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:50.720 parts North. She said, down there slowing down a bit. 318 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:54.759 Average time on the market sixty days. So Frank, what's 319 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:55.600 going on here? Man? 320 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:58.799 Well, Tom, we see more inventory and the condo market 321 00:16:58.799 --> 00:16:59.559 has been very tough. 322 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:00.960 I'll tell you. I pulled up den I'll tell you 323 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:02.799 why it's tough. Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to 324 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:05.039 interrupt you. It's tough. I'm one of the reasons it 325 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:09.160 might be tough. People are afraid because hoas are imploding 326 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.839 right now. I mean, the fees are getting outrageous. And 327 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:17.440 I'll tell you why. Insurance is through the roof. Some 328 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.920 of these have to be self insured, which puts the 329 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:20.960 homeowner's new his way up. 330 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.000 Okay, go ahead, Frank. Sorry, no, tob You're right. And 331 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:24.519 I'll tell you the other day it was crazy. I 332 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:27.400 pulled up just Denver. I'm just talking Denver, and there 333 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.839 was like one thy and twenty six active condos and 334 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:34.160 like two hundred and forty two hunder contractor pending. That's 335 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:37.319 how lopsided is becoming sumarious in certain princes. 336 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:39.039 So it's hard to get rid of. It's been tough, 337 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:40.519 and that's why people want to get rid of them. 338 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:43.279 Yeah, the attached market's been tougher now the single family market, 339 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.319 although we see more inventory, homes are still moving, it's 340 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:46.480 just taken longer to move them. 341 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:48.240 So the key is priced from right about what's the 342 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:49.920 average time to market on a single family? 343 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:51.839 Well, right now we're seeing the median days around twenty 344 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:53.400 five to twenty eight days median. 345 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.359 So it's double in the springs. Yeah, it's been maybe 346 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.559 so And what price range are you calling hot? 347 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:04.279 I'd say anything from five to seven fifty is still 348 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.319 the about forty percent of the market that moves pretty 349 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.559 you know, makes it about forty percent of the market. 350 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:13.160 Are there any homes two hundred and fifty to three 351 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:14.000 hundred anymore? 352 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:16.279 Boy, if they are a time, they'd be very tough 353 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:17.920 to find that, you know, I run into some. 354 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.119 My god, I mean I remember it wasn't that long 355 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:25.880 ago that five hundred thousand was pretty really really nice, 356 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:28.839 really nice house, and you could get a house for 357 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.559 three fifty. Yeah, that's right, that's exactly and you can't. 358 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:33.599 But you know what, the funny say, something's got to give. 359 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:35.880 I mean truly sure. Now listen, I don't want to 360 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:41.119 like some some crazy person that wants government intervention and everything. 361 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.599 I'm not talking about that, but means mean people. People. 362 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:50.319 The idea of having a home was something to work toward, 363 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.119 and I think a lot of people, just a lot 364 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:56.279 of young people, feel like it's impossible. Now it's just 365 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.799 damn near impossible, even when both of them are working, right, 366 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:05.279 I mean, Frank to qualify for these houses at six 367 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:07.720 and seven or Stephanie, what does somebody have to make 368 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:09.519 Let's just say it. What do people have to make 369 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:13.359 just roughly for six or seven hundred that I mean, 370 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:14.920 I know you're not in the mortgage biz, but you 371 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:15.960 got an idea. 372 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:18.559 Boy, Tom, I mean the people we see, I mean 373 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.319 somewhere between eighty to one hundred thousand minimum, I would say, 374 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:23.119 And even then that might even be tough for them. 375 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:26.200 But here's the thing too. Economic data, as you know, 376 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.039 is coming pretty soft. The jobs report missed expectations by 377 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:31.319 like sixty thousand jobs, so that tends to point towards 378 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.079 the easing of interest rates. So although they're talking about 379 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:37.079 cutting interest rates, it looks very promising for September, certainly 380 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:37.799 not as certainty. 381 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:39.720 Right now, that looks very promising. 382 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:41.559 So if they drop those rates tom it's going to 383 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:44.759 be very very interesting because even though inventory has risen 384 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:47.880 to some point, we still have relatively low inventory. So 385 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:49.799 if rates drop, it's going to be very interesting to 386 00:19:49.799 --> 00:19:52.039 see how the market reacts to that, especially if they 387 00:19:52.119 --> 00:19:52.759 drop between a. 388 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:54.119 Quarter and a point. You know, what do you think 389 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:56.799 will happen? Well, I personally think they will drop, and 390 00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:58.519 what do you think will happen? And I think that 391 00:19:58.559 --> 00:19:59.240 what's going to happen. 392 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:00.960 You're gonna see more by in the market, and I 393 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:02.480 think at that point that'll eat up some of the 394 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:05.119 inventory we're seeing grow and homes and move faster. 395 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:07.640 It's not like the market's crash. It's just softened a 396 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:11.079 bit because of the qualification. But prices will never be 397 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.680 adjusted again. Our our home price is going to forever 398 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:17.160 be up here. I don't know, it'll be interesting. It 399 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:19.960 depends on how they cut to the recession, the Great Recession, 400 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.720 What didn't that start in No. Eight, Yeah, that adjusted 401 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:27.559 home prices. Do you ever see an adjustment coming again, 402 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:28.720 either of you? 403 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.200 You know, I actually just watched an economist do a 404 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:34.319 report of our market, just the market as a whole, 405 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:36.839 but also in relation to the housing market, and he 406 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:40.079 addressed that in the two thousand and two or two thousand. 407 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:42.640 And nine or eighty nine, he felt that, you know. 408 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:46.200 The reason we saw that crash was people weren't in 409 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:49.160 a happy equity position like they are now. Values are 410 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:52.160 high enough now that if people, you know, see some 411 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:55.039 decrease or something like that, you know they still have 412 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:57.480 some equity. So he didn't foresee a crash, he said, 413 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:59.319 we weren't in that type of market. 414 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:00.839 Any kind of an adjustment or not. 415 00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:03.279 I think as home sit on the market longer, we're 416 00:21:03.279 --> 00:21:06.119 seeing some price reductions and ultimately those become your new 417 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:09.279 comps for pricing new properties. But I'm not seeing anything 418 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.400 like substantial. I'm not seeing ten twenty percent or anything 419 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:12.720 like that. 420 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:15.519 How about you, Frank, No same thing, Stephanie Aga. I agree. 421 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:17.599 I mean it's softened a bit, but nothing. All right, 422 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.200 it's been earth shattering. We got to take this break. 423 00:21:20.319 --> 00:21:23.599 I'm Tom Martino three oh three seven one three talk 424 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:25.920 seven on three A two five five Probit Energy dot 425 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:29.799 com for dependable solar. I know these people everything from sales, 426 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:33.440 service to installation. If you need service, even if they 427 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:41.160 didn't sell at Probit Energy dot com. Go with a 428 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:44.759 sure thing Denver's best roofer Excel Roofing dot Com. You 429 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:49.519 don't pay a cent until you're content. Thank On top 430 00:21:49.599 --> 00:21:51.960 of it, time for an insurance check up free, no 431 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:56.440 obligation comparison call Compass Insurance paying too much your coverage 432 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.119 at dozens of insurance companies find out now three oh 433 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.640 three seven seven and one help. You'll think you're his 434 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:04.359 only customer when you choose Frank durand the real estate 435 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:07.720 Man dot com to list your home with Remax Alliance 436 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:12.680 three oh three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. Okay, 437 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:17.000 I'm Tom Martino. And by the way, YouTube should be 438 00:22:17.319 --> 00:22:21.519 up right now. I'm getting it here, so sorry for 439 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:22.039 the delay. 440 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:24.000 Very sorry about that, Tom. 441 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:26.839 Oh, it's not your fault. It's actually fult totally. 442 00:22:27.319 --> 00:22:33.000 It was actually Dragon's brilliant move of suggesting that I should. 443 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:34.160 Reboot the camera. 444 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:38.680 And it worked, and no no, I also rebooted the 445 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:43.920 computer in the office and then all of a sudden everything. 446 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:44.759 Is patted her stomach. 447 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:46.880 What about my computer? What about the one in the 448 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:49.799 home studio that it works off of the by remote? No, no, no, 449 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:50.759 that was good. 450 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.880 No, everything's fun on your ends were in studio? 451 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:57.039 Yeah, okay, yeah, so go so when we're here in 452 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:01.319 the studio, you don't go to that computer. Correct, Okay, sorry, 453 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:03.720 I had okay, I had my daughter. I woke her 454 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.200 up to go down and fix that. She works late anyway, 455 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:09.880 three all three seven, one, three eight two five five. 456 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:17.839 Quintin says he's got a problem here, Quentin. What's going on? Quentin? 457 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:19.920 Tom's going, what's going on with you? 458 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:21.319 Man? Yeah, I'm here. 459 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:26.200 Yeah, I'm the family. I'm a family member of Seawan Birch. 460 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:28.319 He spoke with you, guys. 461 00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:34.440 Shawn Birch. And what was it about. 462 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:37.960 The wrongful conviction due to the corruption with the Denver 463 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:38.960 Police department. 464 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:42.720 Well, we hear a lot about wrongful conviction. So I'm 465 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:46.119 trying to find uh Shawn's call. But why don't you 466 00:23:46.279 --> 00:23:48.279 just tell us what's going on. We don't have to 467 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:51.359 know about uh, we don't have to know about that 468 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:55.160 right now, Let's just talk to you, what's going on? Uh? 469 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.680 Are you the one that was wrong wrongfully convicted? 470 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:00.480 It is? 471 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.720 It is not me, he's my family member. 472 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:05.759 Was sewn the one wrongfully convicted? 473 00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:07.519 Correct? 474 00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.039 Okay? And how was he tell me about it? 475 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:18.279 The jury found him not guilty and he is uh 476 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.519 still serving time behind it. 477 00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:25.960 Found him not guilty, you said, correct? If he's found 478 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.359 not guilty, how does he serve time for that? 479 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:35.079 Because they've done what is called double jeopardy? 480 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:39.720 Okay, explain that. I'm confused. So why don't you start 481 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:41.039 at the beginning, Go ahead, sir? 482 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:49.480 At the beginning we were we were in the court 483 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.720 and the verdict came out and the first couple of 484 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:57.480 verdicts was not guilty, and then the last verdict that 485 00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:59.039 came out was it guilty. 486 00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:02.240 Okay. So there were molt there were multiple charges. How 487 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:03.599 many charges. 488 00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:11.079 He had a burglary? Uh with the with the intent 489 00:25:11.200 --> 00:25:12.160 to commit murder? 490 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:16.880 So how many charges total were leveled against him? He 491 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:23.319 was tried on? How many tried on? How many charges? 492 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.880 I think it was it might have been four. 493 00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:31.960 Okay, okay, and all but one? So so they found 494 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:39.000 him not guilty on three charges, correct, Okay? And then 495 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.480 what which one was he found guilty on. 496 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:50.440 They they found him guilty on on a murder charge. 497 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:53.440 Okay, well that's the most important one, probably right. 498 00:25:54.880 --> 00:25:55.279 Correct. 499 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:59.480 Okay, now now hold on, but but now you said so, 500 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.559 But he was found guilty on murder. Now, as a result, 501 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:05.559 he was sentenced. 502 00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:13.559 To what he got A ninety eight plus life life 503 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:17.119 plus ninety eight. Yeah, life plus ninety eight. 504 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:20.480 Wow, I guess he's not getting out any time. So 505 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:25.880 he was sentenced to life plus. And you feel, let 506 00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:31.279 me get this straight. You feel it was unjust. Obviously 507 00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:33.680 a lot of people do. And I don't mean to 508 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:38.079 sound like you know, because there have been times juries 509 00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:43.319 get it wrong very rarely. But why does tell me 510 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.920 about the jury? You said double jeopardy, I don't where's 511 00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:48.079 the double jeopardy? 512 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:52.359 Well, what it was, Tom was they said that he 513 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:57.000 committed to burglary. They said that a door got kicked 514 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.799 in and that a witness got chased out, and in 515 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:04.119 the midst of the witness getting chased out, they're saying 516 00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:08.880 that he executed the witness. Well, the jury found him. 517 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:14.519 The jury found him not guilty of the burglary. All right, 518 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:15.920 are you kind of getting. 519 00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.119 But they did find him guilty of the murder, and 520 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:23.200 did they find him not guilty of the burglary? On 521 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:27.440 the technicality? Are you saying if are you saying, how 522 00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.079 could he possibly have done the murder if he didn't 523 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:30.839 do the burglary? 524 00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.400 They they had the they had the murder inside of 525 00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:35.279 the burglary. 526 00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:37.720 No, I get that. So you're saying, if he didn't 527 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.240 do the burglary, he didn't do the murder. But but correct? 528 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:44.759 But how I don't what? What was there any accomplice 529 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:45.799 in this crime? 530 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:55.799 There there was, there was, There was no accomplished. 531 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:58.480 There was a When was this crime committed? When was 532 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:02.799 this crime allegedly or not allegedly? When was it committed? 533 00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:09.759 I believe it's been probably seventeen years ago? 534 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.200 Oh my god, I didn't. Okay, so you're calling about 535 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:16.839 he's been in jail for seventeen. 536 00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:20.440 Years, almost seventeen sixteen. 537 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.440 Okay, and tell me something. Why are you call? I'm 538 00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:25.400 just curious? Why are you calling now? 539 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.440 Well, what's continued to happen with all his appeal process 540 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.880 and everything? They continue to railroad him? And uh wait, 541 00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:39.480 I think. 542 00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.319 When he called Wait a minute, did I think I 543 00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:47.640 remember his call? Now? But keep going so what brings 544 00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.839 you to this point? Do you have any appeals? Have 545 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.799 you appealed anything? It's he was go ahead. 546 00:28:54.880 --> 00:29:00.119 He was granted a thirty five he hearing based on 547 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.400 merits he brought to the court. 548 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:04.880 What does that mean? 549 00:29:05.039 --> 00:29:10.720 Recently he addressed issues with his case that he thought 550 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:16.359 was wrong. Double jeopardy, the class of faith station. 551 00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:18.920 But there, I don't I don't know what you're talking 552 00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:23.079 about when you say double jeopardy. This has nothing to 553 00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.400 do with double jeopardy. What what when you say double 554 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.599 jeopardy that means he was charged twice for the same 555 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:34.279 crime and and tried. Well, he wasn't. I mean, where's 556 00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:37.440 the double jeopardy? 557 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:42.680 The double the double jeopardy was that they for one party. 558 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:45.240 You can only charge for one murder charge? 559 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.200 No, that's that's actually not you. No, No, you can have 560 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:54.559 you can have a burglary with Look at, I'm not 561 00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:56.319 going to give you a legal lesson. Here's what I'm 562 00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:00.480 going to say, and please trust me on this. It's 563 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.559 the wrong it's the wrong argument. I mean, if your 564 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.480 attorney's telling you you can win on this, more power 565 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:12.000 to him. But I mean, okay, there might be a 566 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.759 conflict somewhere, but it's not double jeopardy. 567 00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.160 Okay, well wait wait was he no? 568 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.359 It depends, hold on, it depends. Let me amend that. 569 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:29.480 If he was charged with a burglary resulting in murder, 570 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.319 I don't know what the formal charges, and then was 571 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:38.000 found not guilty, and then they recharged him with murder 572 00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.559 and then he was tried again. Is that how it worked? 573 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:44.039 Or was he tried in one trial? 574 00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:47.960 It was all tried in one trial. 575 00:30:48.119 --> 00:30:50.640 Then, I don't see how it becomes double Hold on 576 00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:57.599 a second, right, just hold on, go with a sure 577 00:30:57.720 --> 00:31:01.319 thing Denver's Best Ruffer Excel Rufe dot You don't pay 578 00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:07.480 a cent until you're content. Time for an insurance check 579 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.400 up free, no obligation. In comparison, call Compass Insurance paying 580 00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:14.480 too much your coverage at dozens of insurance companies find 581 00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:16.839 out now three oh three seven seven to one help. 582 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.640 You'll think you're his only customer when you choose Frank 583 00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:22.160 durand the real estate Man dot com to list your 584 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.359 home with Remax Alliance three oh three nine two zero 585 00:31:25.440 --> 00:31:32.559 sixteen twenty two. Tom Martino here three oh three seven 586 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:36.119 one three talk seven one three A two five five 587 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.720 Now Quinton is calling, and I don't want to run 588 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.640 out of time with Clinton, so we can continue this 589 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:44.680 and I want to take some other issues. But Quinton, 590 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.119 so your did you did Sean call me? Did you 591 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:52.319 say Sean called me at one time? He? 592 00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:52.960 Actually? 593 00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:53.920 I'm here now? 594 00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:56.519 Okay? How can Sean be on the phone? Is he 595 00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:57.039 in prison? 596 00:31:58.680 --> 00:31:59.039 Correct? 597 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:00.359 Yeah? 598 00:31:59.799 --> 00:31:59.839 On? 599 00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:01.599 Oh wow here Tom? 600 00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:06.319 Okay, yes, I can Sean. Did we talk before Sean? 601 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:08.519 Yes? 602 00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:09.319 We did? 603 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:10.119 Okay. 604 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:12.119 I gave me my information last week. 605 00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:13.119 Okay. 606 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.559 I wanted to talk about because I just received a 607 00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:21.599 denial from the court. It makes no sense on those 608 00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:23.519 Do you have Drake fail me not? 609 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:25.160 Do you have an attorney? Sean? 610 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:26.359 He'll send me to prison? 611 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:29.119 I did, Yes, I do. 612 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.799 And what does your attorney say about What does your 613 00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:34.680 attorney say about the denial? 614 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:40.079 Well, she doesn't know. I just received a denial late 615 00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:41.359 last night in the mail. 616 00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.720 How long is it? Is it too long to read? 617 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.559 It's too long to read. But it's a denial. 618 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:53.000 Is it a court order? Or is it a court order? Yes? 619 00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:54.720 Yes, sir? 620 00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:56.839 Do you have a case Do you have a case 621 00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:59.880 number on that? Yes? 622 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:00.880 Oh? 623 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:02.920 Hold on? Oh okay? Oh eight? 624 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:09.880 What cr that'sh one O? Four eight one for eight one. 625 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:12.880 Okay, And so. 626 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:17.519 What essentially happened is the railroad continues. The court has 627 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:18.920 been this most. 628 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:23.079 Oh man, your phone connection is bad. Your phone cannect. 629 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:26.319 I mean we can hardly hear you, bro, I really 630 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:28.759 want to hear you. It's just hard. 631 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:30.279 Okay, can you hear me now? 632 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.880 Yes? Better? Way? Better go ahead? 633 00:33:33.160 --> 00:33:36.599 Okay, yeah, yeah. This motion has been pending for five 634 00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.200 years in this same court, and now all of a 635 00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:43.200 sudden the court said, did these claims were successive? And 636 00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:44.640 that's I said, it brought what? 637 00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:47.920 What? What? What? Tell me? The main motion is emotion 638 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.960 for what is it for? Emotion for reconsideration? Is it 639 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.359 emotion for? What? What is it emotion for? It's a 640 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:56.720 it's a. 641 00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:01.240 Motion for post conviction relief. Okay, and no issues did 642 00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:05.240 I talked about about no deeprity and also about the 643 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:11.039 exculpatory breaking violation had occurred during the trial proceedings. And 644 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.519 so I had a major exculpatory breaking violation where the 645 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:20.480 Denver Police Joel Humphrey, withheld exculpatory evidence take the exonerated. 646 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:24.880 What did they with what did they what did they withhold? 647 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:29.679 They withheld a video the Holy Eye witness to his 648 00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.280 murder said that I wasn't and my cote offendion was 649 00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.599 a shooter and did he had seen the shooters at 650 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:37.039 the aurora? 651 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:41.440 Hold on, hold on, hold on, sir, we got a 652 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:44.599 problem here with his connection. Okay, we need to re 653 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:48.800 establish this and come back and hear about this. Hold on, 654 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:55.519 go with a sure thing Denver's Best roofer Excel Roofing 655 00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.239 dot com. 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I don't 683 00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:45.239 want Scott to wait for this entire case. Then we 684 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:49.760 have Stephanie Thomas with us from Colorado Springs real Estate. Stephanie, 685 00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.760 I'm sorry your agency is uh Coldel Banker, Coldwell Banker. 686 00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:56.719 I want to write that down. And then Frank Duran 687 00:36:56.760 --> 00:37:01.880 Therealestateman dot com which is Remax Alliance, and thank you 688 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.480 guys for being here. We're talking real estate and I 689 00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.719 do have a real estate problem. I wanted to bring up. 690 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.320 I don't have it. I'm going to bring it up 691 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.239 after this one. Scott, what's going on with you? Scott? 692 00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:11.960 What's happening? 693 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:13.039 Hey? 694 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:13.360 Tom? 695 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.159 I needed general advice. I've heard you talk about it 696 00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:18.360 over the years, but never really paid that close attention 697 00:37:18.360 --> 00:37:22.079 because I've never been in this position. But my father 698 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.440 in law passed away. He was single, he's got an asset, 699 00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:26.639 he's got some debts. 700 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:27.719 What do we do? 701 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:28.199 Okay? 702 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:30.599 All right, brother and sister, what do they do next? 703 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:38.119 All right, First and foremost, you don't necessarily need a 704 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:42.079 probate or an You don't have to open probate unless 705 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:44.480 you want to. As a relative. You're not required to 706 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:49.239 do anything. Let's just say somebody's estate was complicated, riddled 707 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.519 with debt. It's going to come out negative. Nothing to worry. 708 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.719 You don't have to get involved, No one does. People 709 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:56.800 think they have to get involved, They don't. They don't 710 00:37:56.800 --> 00:37:58.880 have to get involved. So let's say you want to 711 00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.800 get involved, because when you take the pluses and the minuses, 712 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.360 there's a positive there. So let's take that. Is there 713 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.880 a positive at the end? Yeah? 714 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:08.360 There is? 715 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:12.360 Okay, How much negative? Is there not much? 716 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.119 Just some medical bills? Maybe one thousand or two dollars 717 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:15.840 is what we're finding. 718 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:17.320 And what are his assets? 719 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:20.840 The only thing is a car. He sold his home 720 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.360 about a month ago before he passed. 721 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:23.119 Where's the money? 722 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:24.679 It's in his bank? 723 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:27.920 Well, then there's there's a lot of assets. You said 724 00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:31.239 only the car. The car it's in his name, and 725 00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:36.079 the bank and the bank the car's paid for and 726 00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:39.360 the bank. You said he sold the house. So I'm 727 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.880 going to ask. I don't mean to be a nitpicker, 728 00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:45.480 but I have to be what assets does he have? 729 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.880 Just a bank account that's it and the car now right? 730 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:54.199 Or did the car go away? You said the car first? 731 00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:56.000 He has the car? Yeah, his dog. 732 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.239 What are the assets the car and the bank account? 733 00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:03.800 Only right? Correct? Okay? What do they total? Do you 734 00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:04.880 think in value? 735 00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:07.199 About one hundred and fifty thousand? 736 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:11.480 Okay, So you can't do a small estate Affidavid. You 737 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:14.960 can't do a small estate Affidavid. Over I think it's 738 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.519 eighty grand seventy five or some And then you also 739 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:20.239 have to have no real estate. But you don't have 740 00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.760 real estate, you have money and you have a car. 741 00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:27.000 So you're going to have to open a probate okay, 742 00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.719 unless there was a trust, I take it. He had nothing. 743 00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:30.639 Did he have a will? 744 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:31.480 No? 745 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:32.320 No, no will? 746 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:37.039 Okay, So who did he have any Did he have 747 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:37.480 a wife? 748 00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.000 She had passed away nine months ago. He did second wife? 749 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.760 Okay, he had no second wife. His his wife passed away. 750 00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:48.960 He had no other wife. Did he have anyone who 751 00:39:48.960 --> 00:39:50.039 will claim to be his wife? 752 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:51.199 No? 753 00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:54.039 Does he have any kids? 754 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:57.960 My wife and a brother, and she has a brother 755 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:59.079 and a sister. Three children. 756 00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.679 Okay, the three children will be in line next without 757 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:08.920 a will, Okay, Now you have to file. Somebody has 758 00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:12.320 to file. One of the kids has to file probate. 759 00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:15.719 And then how do you do that? Well, I'm going 760 00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.159 to tell you. Then when you open up the probate, 761 00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:21.800 then you have to send out notice to creditors. Then 762 00:40:21.840 --> 00:40:25.599 you have to wait a certain amount of time. Then 763 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:30.960 you can distribute assets. Once you open probate. That person 764 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.960 who opens probate and becomes the personal representative at the 765 00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:38.679 time will be personally responsible if they don't do this properly. 766 00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:43.880 So what I suggest is an attorney. I think it's 767 00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:47.440 foolhardy for anything that much, because one hundred and fifty 768 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.840 is nothing to sneeze at. I would say, let him 769 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:52.000 do it the right way. And you need an attorney 770 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.360 that's not going to milk you. So I would call 771 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.360 Dan McKenzie. He's he's a single firm. I mean, he's 772 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.119 a good firm. He knows what he's doing, and just 773 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:03.679 tell him the situation. He'll do as little or as 774 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:06.039 much as you need. But he doesn't just go in 775 00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.920 automatically with some of these big firms with guns blazing. 776 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.400 You know what I'm saying. So you can you can 777 00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:16.320 control it. Say hey, Dan, we just had someone die 778 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.320 without a will. Three siblings. Are the siblings all in agreement? 779 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.320 Yes they are? Okay, three siblings. We just want to 780 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:27.239 split it all up. How do we do this painlessly? 781 00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:29.480 They'll he'll talk to you. So let me give you 782 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:33.360 his number. And it sounds like a big corporate number, 783 00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:38.239 but it's not. He's local eight three three co plans. 784 00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.519 His name is Dan. He's local. He's a great guy. 785 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.840 Now he's on the radio, right, Yeah, he's on. 786 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.599 My show all the time. So listen. Just call and 787 00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.480 say you heard him on the radio, and then ask 788 00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.480 him questions. He'll answer some questions for you. And you'll 789 00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.320 see what to do. Now. Now again, if it was 790 00:41:56.639 --> 00:42:00.639 a small estate affid David, you probably wouldn't need an attorney. 791 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:03.440 But once you're getting into creditors and there might be 792 00:42:03.480 --> 00:42:05.679 others out there, or you want to cover yourself, you 793 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.880 want to do it correctly. And again, a good attorney 794 00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:12.000 doesn't look at the state and think, oh, I'm going 795 00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.159 to get a good part of it. They charged by 796 00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:17.679 the hour or by a flat rate. Okay, Scott, So 797 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:23.199 that's Mackenzie Law, and it's the website is co plans 798 00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:31.559 dot co. Okay, Quintin called for his nephew in prison. 799 00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:35.320 I read about the case. This was not a small case. 800 00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:39.320 They say that he murdered a witness, very little to 801 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:43.519 do with a burglary. They said he murdered a witness 802 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:50.400 who was going to testify against a gang banger. And 803 00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:54.119 he was convicted and it was and it was a 804 00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:59.880 murder back in two six. And you know, like a 805 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.639 a lot of people convicted, they want to set aside verdicts. 806 00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:11.159 Some have been successful because you know, of extenuating circumstances, 807 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.320 new evidence and all that. So it's almost impossible to 808 00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:18.639 do alone. So Quentin, I don't know if Sean's still 809 00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.599 on the air, is it, I mean on the phone? 810 00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:25.119 Is he because his connection was terrible? Is he still there? Yeah? 811 00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:31.440 We can't hear Sean Quinton. Are you having problems hearing him? 812 00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:34.119 I can hear a little bit, Tom, Yeah, it's hard. 813 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:40.639 So here's the thing, Sean. You appealed basically on grounds 814 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:50.280 that the courts would not hear. That's not unusual. So 815 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.760 I'm not saying I wouldn't take it personally, But what 816 00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:56.079 I would say is this, if there is a ground 817 00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:59.480 for an appeal, if there are grounds for appeals, a 818 00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:02.360 good atturntorney needs to look at this, come up with 819 00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.360 the grounds and do it do a motion. Did you 820 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:09.880 do the motion on your own? Yes? 821 00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.280 I did it, and then attorney took it over. 822 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.440 Okay. And the attorney that took it over, I did it. 823 00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:19.760 The attorney that took it over, How are you paying 824 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.119 for this attorney? Or did they do it as a project? 825 00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:28.079 They appointed council to court appointed council? 826 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:28.880 Okay? 827 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.599 After after I after I did the pro se motion 828 00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.119 and they appointed adc council. 829 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:41.400 Did he send us that motion? Sean Kitchina, My producer said, 830 00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:43.840 you sent us some paperwork. Did you ever send us 831 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:44.760 your original motion? 832 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:47.480 Uh? 833 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.039 No, I didn't. I sent you. I sent you MYNEF 834 00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:55.119 with David. I sent to the District Attorney's office. 835 00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.840 Yeah, what is your what is your mean? What is 836 00:44:59.880 --> 00:45:05.320 your main contention? Quentin? What is your main contention? Not Quintin, 837 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.639 I'm sorry, Sean, what is your main contention? 838 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:08.199 Well? 839 00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.920 Go ahead? What what is the main the evidence that 840 00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:13.159 you feel was withheld? 841 00:45:15.760 --> 00:45:18.800 Well, the main evidence that what's heild is the main 842 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:23.360 evidence that would find me not guilty. But they still 843 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:25.480 from guilty and send me to prison. 844 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:28.679 Well, they found you guilty of murder. They didn't find 845 00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.320 you not guilty. They found you guilty of murder. 846 00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.199 Yeah, but it's the same charge. 847 00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.079 No, it's not the same charge. I'm looking at it here. 848 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.800 It's not the same charge, Sean. That's why I think 849 00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:45.360 you're losing, because you're not You're not arguing the right argument. Uh, Sean. 850 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:48.719 Like I said, I I can't explain the law to 851 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.679 you in a way that that you're going to agree 852 00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.920 with it. Okay, but here's the point. Okay, the the 853 00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:59.199 the the first degree murder, the first degree burglary, and 854 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.239 fell any murder. Okay, they found you not guilty of 855 00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:07.440 first degree murder and fel any murder Okay, a first 856 00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.360 degree burglary, I'm sorry, and fell any murder as a 857 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.719 result of the burglary. But they did find you guilty 858 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:22.400 of first degree murder period because and and conspiracy because 859 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:25.960 they said the murder was not tied to the burglary. 860 00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:30.360 They still found you guilty of murder because they said 861 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:32.639 you killed the guy for being or the woman, I 862 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:35.679 don't know whoever, you killed for being a witness. 863 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:41.000 Well, listen, Tom, the thing is is that they said 864 00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.880 that I did that to commit the murder. They said 865 00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.920 I committed burglary. They killed a witness. 866 00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.639 They said that I did. Then they but they found 867 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:58.360 insufficient evidence, insufficient evidence. They found insufficient evidence for the burglary. 868 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.000 But you still did the murder. They're saying there were 869 00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:03.760 two separate murder charges. 870 00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:08.480 Oh, they're the same, That's what I'm saying. That's how 871 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:12.280 they're tricking you, Tom, because they're the same exact murder count. 872 00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:14.880 If you look at the burglary instruction I sent you, 873 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.559 it has murder after deliberation at. 874 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:23.719 Sean Sean, there's no way a judge was sentence you 875 00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:27.480 in a not guilty verdict, but they found you. It 876 00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:32.239 specifically says here the court records, the jury found him 877 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:38.960 not guilty of first degree burglary and felony murder. But okay, 878 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:46.000 he was found guilty of first degree murder and conspiracy 879 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:53.440 and conspiracy to commit first degree murder. I don't look okay, Tom. 880 00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:56.639 It's not unusual to give the jury three different charges. 881 00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:58.880 I mean, we need to talk to a defense attorney. 882 00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.519 Our guy is in a available, We need to We 883 00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:04.119 just need to talk to someone. Is your attorney free 884 00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:04.840 to talk to us? 885 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:09.559 You got she may be, I don't know. 886 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:11.559 You can give her a call, all right, hold on, 887 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.000 I don't know how long you can say on the phone. 888 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.079 I'd love you know. I don't mind talking to people 889 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.719 about this. If there's somebody behind bars and it's wrong. 890 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:21.639 I mean, I don't know enough about the law to 891 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.960 tell you this was right or wrong or but from 892 00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.639 what I'm reading, this is not unusual to separate the 893 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.960 murder and say, well, no, he wasn't really committing burglary, 894 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:33.880 but he did commit murder. I mean, if you walk 895 00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.840 into a house to shoot somebody and you're and you're 896 00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.800 charged with breaking and entering and murder. And they find 897 00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:43.400 you not guilty of the breaking and entering, you can 898 00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:46.440 still be found guilty of murder. I mean, I don't 899 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:49.440 know why you feel like it had to be burglary 900 00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.639 for it to be murder. 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Okay, 931 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:43.280 so we got a problem here with this this uh, 932 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:47.719 this criminal defense and that this guy's trying to mount 933 00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:50.679 for himself, and I do want to get an attorney on. 934 00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:53.719 I do not want to talk about this without an attorney. 935 00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:57.800 I actually did speak to the attorney that he. 936 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:03.239 Proposes that he is there, and she would not verify 937 00:51:03.360 --> 00:51:06.079 whether or not she was taking the case or whether 938 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:07.320 she was working with him. 939 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:09.039 And I don't want it. 940 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.159 I wonder because of confidentiality, kid, But but we weren't 941 00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.239 asking you, right, I wonder if you're not allowed with 942 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.599 Like with Hippa, a doctor wouldn't even say if they're 943 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:21.280 your doctor. But I thought with an attorney, if she's 944 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:23.840 of record, she could say she was the attorney if 945 00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:26.519 she was appointed, not me. She may not want to 946 00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:29.119 talk about the case, but certainly she could say she's 947 00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:29.880 the attorney. 948 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:32.559 She would not say anything or he, she would not 949 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:34.039 verify her or she he. 950 00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:39.159 Or she she. Now, let's just get a defense attorney 951 00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.840 of some con You throw a stone, you hit an 952 00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:43.880 attorney in the head, no matter where you are. So 953 00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:46.039 we got to be able to find a defense attorney. 954 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:50.480 Let's call one. If Jola's Arra is not available, let's 955 00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:55.039 call somebody. We need to talk to somebody. Now, Don 956 00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:58.400 has a question about Hoa's hold on Quentin. I'm really 957 00:51:58.400 --> 00:52:01.440 trying to get some help here a Don, what's happening? 958 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:05.320 Hey, Tom, I will give you the background so you'll 959 00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:09.599 understand the context of my question. I live in an 960 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:14.599 area where the inside of our fence is maintained by 961 00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:19.000 the homeowner, the outside of our wooden fence is maintained 962 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:20.039 by the HOA. 963 00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:23.480 Is that because it's your yard? Is it that easy? 964 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.159 I'm sorry you said again, Tom? 965 00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:27.880 Is that because that's just what we call your yard, 966 00:52:28.519 --> 00:52:29.639 the inside of your fence. 967 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.920 Evidently? So the this is this? 968 00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:38.519 Are these single family homes or condos? 969 00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:39.519 Single family homes? 970 00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:42.159 Okay? Got it? So this is like any other neighborhood 971 00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:45.199 in the world. If it's in your yard, you maintain it. 972 00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:48.000 If it's outside your yard, either the city, county or 973 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:52.320 HOA maintains it. Right, So what about it? It's called 974 00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:53.800 common areas, So what about it? 975 00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:00.559 They hired a company who sprayed the their portion of 976 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:04.480 the outside of the fence for common area company, the 977 00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:07.920 common area. But the company that they hired, Tom, didn't 978 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.880 bother to put anything on the inside of the fence 979 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.679 to keep the overspray from coming through that fence and 980 00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:17.800 onto the air conditioning units. 981 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:21.000 And what did they spray? Was it something sticky? What 982 00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:21.679 did they spray? 983 00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:23.920 It's a latex paint. 984 00:53:24.360 --> 00:53:30.480 Oh. Oh, so they hired a painter, yes, okay, to 985 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.559 paint the fence or to paint what they. 986 00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:37.000 Hired a painter to come in and paint the outside 987 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:37.599 of the fence. 988 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:39.639 Okay, got it, I get it. I get it, I 989 00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:41.840 get it, I get it. Okay, now I'm now. So 990 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.280 the HUA hired a painter to paint their side of 991 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:49.880 the fence, yes, okay, got it. And they got overspray 992 00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:51.039 and stuff on your stuff. 993 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.440 Yes, And so my question would be who do I 994 00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:01.960 send the service of process? After having paid to have 995 00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:05.000 all that taken off? Do I send that to the HOA? 996 00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:07.199 Well, the HA is not going to pay it. You 997 00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.119 can send it to them, and then to fight them 998 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:11.360 is going to cost you more than it's worth. So 999 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:15.360 hope you don't send it to the HA. I would say, 1000 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:20.039 if it was me, I would hold the contractor directly responsible. 1001 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.199 Okay, so I would send the contract or the service 1002 00:54:25.239 --> 00:54:26.280 a process. 1003 00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:29.760 That's right? How much is it? 1004 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:31.480 It's going to be about three hundred dollars? 1005 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:33.519 That's nothing? Are you going to small claims? 1006 00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:35.000 Core? Yes? 1007 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:39.159 Good, you're doing the right thing. I would serve the contractor. 1008 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:41.679 They have a duty. I mean, they can't be that reckless. 1009 00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:44.079 How was it really? And it's not like you're trying 1010 00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.440 to milk the situation. Was it really like, did you 1011 00:54:47.480 --> 00:54:49.880 take pictures and document it beforehand? 1012 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:51.360 Yes? 1013 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.679 And I had someone else, Tom come over and actually 1014 00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:57.400 take the overspray off. 1015 00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.480 So I've got no, I get it, I get it. 1016 00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:02.960 But no. Now, normally, normally you would have contacted him 1017 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.280 first and asked them to do it and give them 1018 00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.679 a chance to mitigate. But it's not like you're asking 1019 00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.079 for a ton of money. I mean, so are they 1020 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:12.719 fighting you on this? Why not just ask them first? 1021 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:19.599 Well? I sent them a note that outlined the problems, 1022 00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.199 and they had a representative that came out looked over 1023 00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:23.880 the situation. 1024 00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:27.440 Okay, so the painting contractor did look at it. 1025 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:33.039 No, DHOA sent a representative from the hoay out to 1026 00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.199 look at it, and he concurred that yes, there was 1027 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:37.639 overspray all over everything. 1028 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.159 Did you give the painting contractor an opportunity to fix 1029 00:55:42.320 --> 00:55:43.039 or pay. 1030 00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:45.039 I haven't. 1031 00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:49.320 I haven't talked to the contractor of the paint company 1032 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.000 because I thought this was a responsibility of the HOA 1033 00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.840 since they hired the paint company. 1034 00:55:55.320 --> 00:55:58.760 It's not necessarily no. And I'll bet you and I'll 1035 00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:02.920 bet you you sign something in your HOA documents when 1036 00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.199 you bought there that you don't hold them responsible for vendors. 1037 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:09.519 I can almost assure you you did. But what I'm 1038 00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:12.760 saying is this, if you want to collect, then you 1039 00:56:12.800 --> 00:56:15.400 want to go to the contractor, because the HOA is 1040 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:19.559 never going to pay you for this, okay, and if 1041 00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.679 they do, it's going to cost you more than it's worth. 1042 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:24.920 And then they're going to assess you for what they 1043 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:30.199 just paid. It's it's it. You never win with an HOA, Okay, 1044 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:32.920 just remember that you will. You will not win. 1045 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:40.239 Can they can then HOA assess one individual property? Well 1046 00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:42.480 you said that they could assess me for that. 1047 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:46.239 Well no, they would assess the homeowners for the legal fees, 1048 00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:50.599 but your legal fees would never be reimbursed. So you 1049 00:56:50.639 --> 00:56:53.639 get to pay your assessments. Plus you get to pay 1050 00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:56.440 your own legal fees for three hundred dollars. So you 1051 00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:58.280 decide what you want to do. I told you what 1052 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.960 I would do three oh three seven one three eight 1053 00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:09.360 two five Go with a sure thing Denver's Best roofer 1054 00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.360 excel roofing dot com. You don't pay a cent until 1055 00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:18.840 you're content. Time for an insurance check up, free, no obligation, 1056 00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:22.880 comparison call Compass Insurance paying too much your coverage at 1057 00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:25.679 dozens of insurance companies find out now three oh three 1058 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:28.920 seven seven one help. You'll think you're his only customer 1059 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.239 when you choose Frank Durand the real Estate Man dot 1060 00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:34.599 Com to list your home with Remax Alliance three oh 1061 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:40.079 three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. Hi Tom Martino 1062 00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:44.119 here three O three seven one three talk seven one 1063 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:50.880 three eight two five five. Okay, Quentin, we're trying to 1064 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:55.760 get somebody on that. That really would be good if 1065 00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:59.239 we could uh to put perspective on this case. If 1066 00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.519 you can just hang on a little while longer, So, 1067 00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:05.519 Frank durandreal Estate Man dot com. Frank, you've been doing. 1068 00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.599 We advertise for you that you do market valuations of 1069 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:15.039 people's homes if they're thinking about listing, and there's no obligation. 1070 00:58:15.159 --> 00:58:18.159 But if people are just wondering what a house is worth, 1071 00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:23.159 do you usually find people find their house is worth 1072 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:25.079 more than they thought or less than they thought. 1073 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.199 I'm curious, boy, it's all over the board, tom Boy. 1074 00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:32.960 I meet with some people where they're surprised, Wow, I 1075 00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.519 can get that much, and we do pretty well. 1076 00:58:36.119 --> 00:58:37.719 You ever hear from people say well, I thought I 1077 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:39.519 could get more than that, because they say, all my 1078 00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:43.119 tax assessment said it was this or my neighbor or sold. Sure, 1079 00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:48.079 so I run in it both ways. Actually, and once 1080 00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:51.239 you find out what you think the house will sell for, 1081 00:58:51.920 --> 00:58:53.920 and I don't want you to give away too many secrets, 1082 00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:55.320 do you price it there? 1083 00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:58.440 Here's what I do. I show them the options. I say, 1084 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.519 if we take this route, this is right, think you'd 1085 00:59:00.519 --> 00:59:01.400 come out better. 1086 00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:02.519 Because you get multiple off. 1087 00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:04.760 Sure, if we take this route, I think you'll get demand, 1088 00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:06.760 but maybe not as much leverage. And if we take 1089 00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.400 this route, you can start higher, but you do risk 1090 00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:10.960 that if you sit there too long, you can miss 1091 00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:12.840 the market. So I break it down different ways so 1092 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:14.159 they can make that informed decision. 1093 00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:17.719 That's Frank Duran three oho three nine two zero sixteen 1094 00:59:17.760 --> 00:59:21.119 twenty two. Stephanie, do you do valuations of homes? 1095 00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:22.760 I do? 1096 00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.480 Do you find people are happy or surprised or not happy? 1097 00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:30.639 I think it's a little all over the board, Like 1098 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:33.079 Frank said, absolutely. 1099 00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.480 Okay, So Stephanie, let me just write down your number here. 1100 00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:38.000 I don't have it. I'm sorry, let me show you. 1101 00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:40.440 Oh that's okay, go ahead, it's seven to zero, yeah, 1102 00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:41.280 two six zero. 1103 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:45.280 Hold on seven two zero two six zero zero nine 1104 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:45.920 one eight. 1105 00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.719 That is my cell so I can get Texter calls there. 1106 00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:51.360 You don't mind people going to direct there, not at all. Okay, 1107 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:54.239 Stephanie Thomas and Colorado Springs. How far north do you go? 1108 00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:58.480 I will come into Castle Rock area. You know, I'm 1109 00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:01.400 pretty familiar with Douglas Counties. I'll do some work there. 1110 01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:03.440 But for the most part of the cause, I. 1111 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:06.400 Never asked either of you. I never asked this to 1112 01:00:06.440 --> 01:00:08.639 be either of you. Seriously. Now, are there houses you 1113 01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:10.760 don't list or you're not good at, or that is 1114 01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:13.559 out of your wheelhouse? Do you feel do you have anything? 1115 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:16.119 I mean, I know that a lot of people want 1116 01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:18.480 to do if they could, they could do, They want 1117 01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.400 to do everything. But what do you feel most adept 1118 01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:23.000 or or maybe all of them? I don't care. 1119 01:00:23.079 --> 01:00:25.440 I mean, you know where I'm located. 1120 01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:29.280 I'm pretty versed with you know, raw land sales homes 1121 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:33.000 with land those have different complications than you know, typical homes. 1122 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:35.920 I'm also really experienced and verse just in town with 1123 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:38.440 your typical with your typical homes. So I've got a 1124 01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:41.559 pretty wide array there. But if it gets outside of 1125 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:44.920 an area that I'm comfortable, yeah, yeah, I can do role. 1126 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.159 But if it gets outside of an area that I 1127 01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:50.280 know or i'm comfortable, you know, I will advise that 1128 01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:52.360 it's best for me to find an agent in that area. 1129 01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:54.400 Rank, Is there any spot you like or not? 1130 01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:54.719 Like? 1131 01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:55.199 You know? 1132 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.679 To many many years ago, when I first started out, 1133 01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.639 I was trying to do everything. I was selling mobile 1134 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.239 homes and you name it. And I decided I wanted 1135 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.280 it to I didn't just want to do it at 1136 01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.079 a good level. I wanted to god willing sell it 1137 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.159 at an elite level. And I decided to specialize more 1138 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:14.400 in single family, everyday real estate. So townhom's, condos, single family, 1139 01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.679 you know, just your typical everyday real estate. Okay, So 1140 01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:21.079 I don't I don't really sell, you know, mountain property. 1141 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.880 If it's a mountain property, I'll refer to somebody I 1142 01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:24.599 know that specialized in mountain properties. 1143 01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:29.159 Okay, yeah, all right. And then price ranges. What's the 1144 01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:33.039 most expensive house you sold, I'm curious. Maybe two million? 1145 01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:35.239 Oh okay, so you're up there, steph. 1146 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.119 Yeah, I had one at one point three. 1147 01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:39.519 Okay, So anyway, but price doesn't scare you one way 1148 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:44.039 or the other. Okay, our our higher priced houses easier 1149 01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.679 for people to buy and sell. Do you find that 1150 01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:48.800 the transactions are easier. 1151 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:51.880 On higher price Yeah, depends on the area, depends on 1152 01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:56.239 the type of property, Tom, I think especially right now, 1153 01:01:56.360 --> 01:02:00.840 like let's say your high rise condos, those are much tougher. Also, 1154 01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:02.840 it's a little bit slower of market too, because there's 1155 01:02:02.920 --> 01:02:06.360 less there's more inventory out there, list buyers available. 1156 01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:10.079 Yeah. And okay, now the one I told you about 1157 01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:12.280 the weird real estate problem. I don't know if you 1158 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:17.639 can help. But do you know who honey Boo Boo is? Yeah, 1159 01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:20.840 Alana Thompson. Did you know she moved to Colorado? 1160 01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.280 I did not know she moved to Colorado. 1161 01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:28.199 Yeah, she did with her boyfriend. And she is being 1162 01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:30.360 I don't know if she's being evicted, but she can't 1163 01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:33.320 renew where she is, and she's looking for a house 1164 01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:36.679 but they don't have any money. They don't they can't 1165 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:40.039 rent because they said there's too many student loans on 1166 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:42.199 She says she can't put it in her name. I 1167 01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.840 don't know why. And her boyfriend has student loans, but 1168 01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:48.519 he also has a criminal record, So they're looking to 1169 01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:51.800 rent a place, and she does make money still from 1170 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:54.280 reality TV, and I'm not sure where that money's going. 1171 01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:58.239 I don't know anything about it. But I can't imagine why. 1172 01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:02.960 She said she needs or fans help in Denver to 1173 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:09.159 find her a house. She says her boyfriend Drealen Carswell 1174 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:12.719 is having a problem. She suspects it is because of 1175 01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:15.880 his student loans, but other people say it's because he 1176 01:03:15.920 --> 01:03:18.840 has a criminal record. He was arrested when he tried 1177 01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:22.079 to get away from a traffic stop and they finally 1178 01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.079 got him to stop the car or ran them off 1179 01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:27.679 the road and he was found with the illegal drugs 1180 01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:32.199 and gun in the vehicle. He was charged with running 1181 01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:38.519 from police, speeding, et cetera. So criminal records is it. 1182 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:40.960 It's very difficult, I would say, to rent. I mean 1183 01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:44.000 because the rental market right now is so tight. I 1184 01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:47.159 think that's the main thing, don't you believe? And then 1185 01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:49.400 do you still have to have triple the amount or 1186 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:51.519 did they change that law? I thought they were trying 1187 01:03:51.519 --> 01:03:54.360 to make it easier to qualify for renting. I don't know, 1188 01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:55.719 do you know anything about that stuff. 1189 01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:58.519 I don't do rentals. I usually refer them out, but 1190 01:03:58.559 --> 01:03:59.960 I did hear what you're referring to. 1191 01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:02.239 You. 1192 01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.840 However, I had somebody I knew recently. 1193 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:08.880 Who was denied being able to get into an apartment 1194 01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:11.800 complex because they didn't quite make the three times, so 1195 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.960 they wanted a co signer who would make five times 1196 01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:18.079 the rent, and they were literally like a hair under 1197 01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:20.360 on each calculation and were flat denied. 1198 01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:23.719 So, honey, boo boo, do you need a co signer? Yes, 1199 01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.760 she does, so as she goes by Alana now and 1200 01:04:27.679 --> 01:04:29.880 and really I shouldn't make too much fun of her. 1201 01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:33.679 This girl had a very weird upbringing, being on reality 1202 01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:36.239 TV since was six or seven years old. However, Ele 1203 01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:38.440 she was in those pageants, remember that. 1204 01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:41.280 Hey, Tom, Yeah, we do you have George? 1205 01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:44.039 Oh, we have George Brockler. Okay, I'm going to take 1206 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:48.159 him real quick. George, thank you so much. George Brockler 1207 01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:51.960 is a former district attorney and a friend and I 1208 01:04:52.039 --> 01:04:54.280 know him a talk show host. And George, I have 1209 01:04:54.320 --> 01:04:57.000 a question for you, real quick. Yeah, we have a 1210 01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:59.119 guy on and I don't know if you if you've 1211 01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:01.320 Milliard of the case, it wasn't. I don't believe in 1212 01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:05.199 your jurisdiction. Sean Birch was found guilty of first agree 1213 01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.360 murder okay, and conspiracy to commit first agree murder and 1214 01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:11.360 was sentenced to life plus forty eight years. And he's 1215 01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:13.719 upset and it's been trying to appeal. He's been in 1216 01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.079 jail for seventeen years. And one of the things he 1217 01:05:17.239 --> 01:05:22.400 says is he was also charged with first degree burglary 1218 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:26.719 and felony murder connected to the burglary, but that one 1219 01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:29.519 he was found not guilty. And he feels if he 1220 01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:33.199 was found not guilty of the burglary and the murder 1221 01:05:33.239 --> 01:05:36.159 was tied to the burglary, how can he be found 1222 01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:39.320 guilty for the murder. I hope that makes sense. 1223 01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:43.199 So here's what I've. 1224 01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:45.199 Done while you've been talking to me. I finally looked 1225 01:05:45.199 --> 01:05:47.159 this thing up and it looks like it came out 1226 01:05:47.159 --> 01:05:52.039 of Denver. Yes, and it was a witness killing, right, 1227 01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:55.159 is what they said happened back in two thousand and six. 1228 01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:59.559 Those are two distinct charges. And here's how someone could 1229 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.599 be found guilty of a murder as well as conspiracy. 1230 01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:05.400 You don't even have to be the trigger puller or 1231 01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:07.920 the person who puts the knife in a person. You 1232 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.400 could be an accomplice. And for people that are listening. 1233 01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:14.320 When you're an accomplice to a crime, you eat the 1234 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:18.360 liability just like you're the person who's actually doing the crime. 1235 01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:22.079 It's like the getaway driver, right are you know you're 1236 01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:24.920 signing up for ag robbery. So that's one vehicle for 1237 01:06:25.039 --> 01:06:27.239 him to be guilty even And the other thing is 1238 01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:30.960 that the felony murder predicated on the burglary. That they 1239 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.159 could say, hey, we don't think that it was a 1240 01:06:33.280 --> 01:06:35.880 death that ensued from the burglary, but we do think 1241 01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:38.239 that you murdered this guy. Okay, they don't think it was. 1242 01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:40.880 They don't. They don't have to be convicted, they don't 1243 01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:42.320 have to be connected. 1244 01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:45.440 They don't have to be connected. But I'll say this 1245 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:47.960 to the extent too. And Kelly described this to me as, hey, 1246 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.639 maybe it's a wrongful conviction thing. Everyone should know that 1247 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.400 when you're convicted of any felony in the state of Colorado, 1248 01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:57.920 you have an automatic appeal to the Court of Appeals, 1249 01:06:57.960 --> 01:06:59.960 And in any murder case, especially one of which the 1250 01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:04.000 public defenders represented this guy, I presume that appeal happened, 1251 01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:06.400 and that the Court of Appeals, at a minimum, if 1252 01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.719 not the Supreme Court already reviewed this. So these issues 1253 01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:13.239 of what are called inconsistent verdicts, that's what's being suggested 1254 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:16.199 here that's already been reviewed by the Court of Appeals. 1255 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.519 I can't think of but one case in my thirty 1256 01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:23.480 year career where someone didn't get an automatic appeal from 1257 01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:24.119 a condition to. 1258 01:07:24.400 --> 01:07:27.679 George, I so appreciate your expertise. I got to take 1259 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.280 this break, but George, thank you so much. Appreciate it. 1260 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:38.519 Go with a sure thing Denver's Best roofer Excel Roofing 1261 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:41.239 dot com. You don't pay a cent until you're content. 1262 01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:47.840 Time for an insurance check up free, no obligation. 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But Bennett, 1274 01:08:24.800 --> 01:08:29.319 you wanted to give some kudos, go ahead, Bennett, Yes. 1275 01:08:29.199 --> 01:08:33.520 Tom, uh, twenty four to seven. I would put that 1276 01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:35.239 company against anyone else. 1277 01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:37.399 Good fix at twenty four to seven. You liked it? 1278 01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:40.319 Huh oh, I love it, Tom. I have a furnace 1279 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:42.800 that's nineteen years old. I had them come out to 1280 01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:46.119 clean it. They gave me all the pluses and minuses, 1281 01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:49.439 and the price of a new one in a ninstall 1282 01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:55.279 I think is just fabulous. They put them against anybody. 1283 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.239 You know what. I'm glad you got that nine, that 1284 01:08:57.359 --> 01:08:59.399 nineteen year old one. They would have cleaned it probably 1285 01:08:59.439 --> 01:09:01.800 and all that. But I think that you're miles ahead 1286 01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:05.399 with the new technology anybody. I think. I think nineteen 1287 01:09:05.479 --> 01:09:08.159 or twenty would be my cutoff. If it's fifteen years old, 1288 01:09:08.199 --> 01:09:10.239 you can limp by a little. But Bennett, thank you 1289 01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:13.399 very much for that information. Yeah, I really do believe 1290 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:15.560 in those guys. They do a great job. Look at 1291 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.720 as with all home services company. Right, go with a 1292 01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:22.359 sure thing Denver's best roofer, Excel roofing dot com. You 1293 01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:28.159 don't pay a cent until you're content. Time for an 1294 01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:31.800 insurance check up free, no obligation. In comparison, call Compass 1295 01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:35.560 insurance paying too much your coverage at dozens of insurance companies. 1296 01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:37.680 Find out now three o three seven to seven to 1297 01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:40.479 one help. You'll think you're his only customer when you 1298 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.000 choose Frank durand the real estate Man dot com to 1299 01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:46.319 list your home with Remax Alliance three oh three nine 1300 01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:53.479 two zero sixteen twenty two rip. 1301 01:09:57.760 --> 01:09:58.680 So you don't have. 1302 01:10:00.840 --> 01:10:04.840 Come running. It's just as fast as we can shoot. 1303 01:10:04.880 --> 01:10:07.159 That's gonna help coming man. 1304 01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:15.119 This is the Troubleshooter Show. Now, Tom Martino, Hi, Tom 1305 01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.720 Martino here, Welcome to the show. 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Now, 1316 01:10:48.199 --> 01:10:50.600 I'm not saying like I said, I'm not saying that 1317 01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:52.920 I got a giant bush of hair, but I do 1318 01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:58.359 absolutely have some new growth, and hey, what the heck, 1319 01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:01.640 I thought i'd give it a try. They also pain therapy, 1320 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:07.239 you know, for joints and and regenerating all of your 1321 01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:11.279 problems with arthritis, and it does help a lot. Man, 1322 01:11:11.319 --> 01:11:16.239 They're they're really good people. Denverregen dot com. Now let 1323 01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:21.960 me talk about this. I don't want to belabor this again. 1324 01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:26.399 Quinton called and his nephew was on the line. We 1325 01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:28.439 had a very bad connection. And that's one of the 1326 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:31.720 reasons why it's so hard to do this. But this guy, 1327 01:11:31.800 --> 01:11:35.720 Sean was convicted of murder murdering a witness, Sean birch 1328 01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:40.279 in an six murder of a witness, and and look, 1329 01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:45.520 there were three people involved in these crimes. And Sean 1330 01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:51.159 believes that he should be let out because he wasn't 1331 01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:54.479 found guilty of the burglary. He was charged with burglary, 1332 01:11:55.479 --> 01:12:00.920 felony murder with the burglary, but first degree murder conspiracy 1333 01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:05.279 to commit first degree murder on separate charges, and he 1334 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:09.520 was found not guilty of the first degree murder and 1335 01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:15.560 felony murder that charge, but he was found guilty of 1336 01:12:15.760 --> 01:12:19.279 first degree murder, a separate charge from the burglary and murder, 1337 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:24.920 and conspiracy to commit first degree murder. George Brockler was 1338 01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:27.319 kind enough to come on the air and to explain 1339 01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:32.439 why someone or how someone could be convicted of one 1340 01:12:32.560 --> 01:12:37.159 and not the other. Now, looksen I understand that Sean's 1341 01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:38.600 trying to get out of jail. I mean, he's a 1342 01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:41.479 sentenced for life plus forty eight. He's gonna die in jail, 1343 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:49.920 and he wants, you know, to appeal this Again, George said, 1344 01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:53.319 probably it was automatically appealed because it was a felony 1345 01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:57.960 murder conviction, and that anything he does now is a 1346 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:02.159 long shot. He was just down on some appeal that 1347 01:13:02.199 --> 01:13:09.600 he filed, and he's calling us. Now. We take calls 1348 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:13.800 like this, and we don't mind stirring the pot when 1349 01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:19.640 there's something there. Quentin, I'm not, like I said, I'm 1350 01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:22.199 not well versed in this case at all. Okay, I'm 1351 01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:24.800 not pretending to be any kind of an expert. All 1352 01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:28.000 I was trying to do is find I know that 1353 01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:32.079 that Seawn's main contention was he shouldn't be guilty of 1354 01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:35.880 the murder if he wasn't guilty of the burglary, and 1355 01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:39.600 that is not the case. That is simply if that's 1356 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:43.960 what he's looking to appeal on, he's never gonna do it, Okay. 1357 01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:46.600 I mean, by the way, George Brockler is a former 1358 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:49.760 district attorney and he is saying, Look, it happens all 1359 01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:53.199 the time where someone can be convicted of a murder 1360 01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:57.159 for just being an accomplice or being for being a 1361 01:13:57.279 --> 01:14:03.600 murderer without being without the burglary charge. So that charge 1362 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:07.920 of first degree burglary and fell any murder, that's one charge. 1363 01:14:09.119 --> 01:14:12.039 But then he was also charged with first degree murder 1364 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:16.720 and conspiracy to commit first degree murder. That's what he 1365 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:20.399 looked up the case. So I don't know what Sean, 1366 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:27.279 what his main contention is for appealing. Now, if there 1367 01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.800 was evidence withheld and all that, that's a different story. 1368 01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:34.520 But it's he's barking up the wrong tree when he 1369 01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:37.960 says he can't be convicted of murder if he wasn't 1370 01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:42.439 convicted of the associated burglary. I mean, there's no one 1371 01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:45.680 and I've been emailing someone and texting someone who says 1372 01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:51.359 the same thing. He's wasting his time. I don't know 1373 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:53.880 what to tell you. Clinton, what were you? Why don't 1374 01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:57.840 you try to find him an attorney to review his case? Quinton, 1375 01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:00.680 why don't you try to find it? Because attorney he 1376 01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.760 gave us she was appointed and she doesn't give a damn. Okay, 1377 01:15:04.920 --> 01:15:07.640 she doesn't want to talk to us. She doesn't you 1378 01:15:07.720 --> 01:15:09.239 know this? Yeah, go ahead? 1379 01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:10.760 Are you there? 1380 01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:11.439 Yeah? 1381 01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:14.399 He actually she actually wants you to. She wants to 1382 01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:16.960 speak now. He gave a release to her. Thomas, you 1383 01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:22.199 can call her now, okay, okay. 1384 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:27.439 Good, good, good good good? Uh Kitschina did you hear that? Okay? You? 1385 01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:31.760 She said the attorney would would talk now, but wait 1386 01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:35.000 till after the break because I must, I must take 1387 01:15:35.039 --> 01:15:38.319 some other stuff here. Uh well, Deputy Chopper was on. 1388 01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:40.239 Now he's off. He was on, he's off, he's on, 1389 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:41.960 he's off, so he's not there. I want to go 1390 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:43.359 back to real estate because I have a couple of 1391 01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:46.079 texts here. I Frank Ran the real estate man with me. 1392 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:50.079 I have Stephanie Thomas. Stephanie is your website, Stephanie ARI? 1393 01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:53.479 Still it is, yes, Stephanie ri dot com. That's correct, 1394 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:56.239 and that stands for Stephanie Real estate Stephanie Ari dot 1395 01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:59.600 com and then frank Is Frank Duran the real estate 1396 01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:05.199 man or frankdran Holmes dot com and again we're talking 1397 01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:09.239 real estate today, and Stephanie, thanks for looking that up. 1398 01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:11.600 We were joking about Honeyboo boo not being able to 1399 01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:16.159 find some place to rent. We talked about the rental requirements. 1400 01:16:16.199 --> 01:16:18.399 You don't do rentals, you refer them out, but you 1401 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:20.800 found out they did come down. They used to require 1402 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:22.880 three times the amount, that's correct. 1403 01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:25.359 I reached out to the property manager that I refer 1404 01:16:25.520 --> 01:16:28.960 to and asked her about the qualification percentage if it's 1405 01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:31.520 you know, two times three times whatever, and she confirmed 1406 01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:33.760 it was two times the rent is income. 1407 01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:38.399 So okay, so two times And what about criminal convictions? 1408 01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:40.880 If you don't mind, I'll just read this little text. 1409 01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:44.319 She said, if they have a criminal history that's nonviolent 1410 01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:46.239 and or doesn't have to do with fraud, we can 1411 01:16:46.239 --> 01:16:49.159 typically get an owner's permission to override the criminal history. 1412 01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:51.840 I believe Colorado just changed the law that we cannot 1413 01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:55.840 look past five years. So if that's something happened nonviolent 1414 01:16:56.239 --> 01:16:59.359 and not fraud, we can we cannot take that into account. 1415 01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:02.159 And then she went on to say, if someone is 1416 01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:03.560 having a hard time being approved by a. 1417 01:17:03.479 --> 01:17:07.359 Property management company, she always suggests looking into private owned rentals. 1418 01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:10.359 Property managers have a lot of liability, so they're stricter 1419 01:17:10.439 --> 01:17:11.319 with their applications. 1420 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:14.199 Yeah, that's a good within Colorado law. So someone has 1421 01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:19.479 something to rent. And again, so so honey, booboo. She 1422 01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:22.359 was a reality star and her name is really Alana 1423 01:17:23.039 --> 01:17:27.960 and she is Alana Thompson. And she went on TikTok 1424 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:30.000 saying I moved to Denver. I'm finding it hard to 1425 01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:33.600 find a place. And she went on to talk about 1426 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:38.479 some death they have. Now I do know she makes 1427 01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:43.880 some income. I don't know how much she makes, but 1428 01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:47.199 apparently they were able to pay rent. She's going to 1429 01:17:47.279 --> 01:17:53.359 Regis University studying nursing or whatever pre requisite there is 1430 01:17:53.359 --> 01:17:57.279 for nursing. And she has I guess her boyfriend now 1431 01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:01.640 not husband. Her boyfriend is drel In cars Well. And 1432 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:03.840 I saw this post and I thought, well, today's real 1433 01:18:03.920 --> 01:18:08.680 estate day. Any ideas, So here's what I want to 1434 01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:14.359 know talking about really helping people into home ownership. What 1435 01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:17.680 does it take nowadays, guys, I mean a first time 1436 01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:20.760 home buyer. What's available for first time home buyers. This 1437 01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:25.359 is really important stuff. What's available, well, Todd, there's. 1438 01:18:25.199 --> 01:18:27.600 Some down payment assistance programs where a buyer could put 1439 01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:29.079 down as little as a thousand. 1440 01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:30.720 Out of pocket. They have to qualify, of course, So 1441 01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:33.479 there are programs out there down payment assistance. So what 1442 01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:35.600 would that do that would make the rest of the 1443 01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:36.720 down payment for them? 1444 01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:39.600 In other words, yeah, it would be just a minimal amount, 1445 01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:41.560 but you have to qualify. But we have some in 1446 01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:44.920 house landing where we're at where they can work with 1447 01:18:44.960 --> 01:18:45.800 a first time buyer. 1448 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:48.359 So the first step is just to get with somebody 1449 01:18:48.399 --> 01:18:52.359 who's qualified. Is qualification for a buyer, Stephanie, what is 1450 01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:55.960 it like? What kind of specifically like like what kind 1451 01:18:55.960 --> 01:18:58.199 of income, what kind of debt ratios? What do they 1452 01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:00.680 look for nowadays? I mean, before you waste your time 1453 01:19:00.720 --> 01:19:04.319 looking for houses, you must you must figure out who 1454 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:04.960 can buy. 1455 01:19:05.119 --> 01:19:08.720 You know, that's really a lender question on the exact percentages, 1456 01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:12.760 but how your programs people, Every program is so different though. 1457 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:15.079 Yeah, that's the thing that work a lot with first 1458 01:19:15.079 --> 01:19:15.680 time home buy. 1459 01:19:15.880 --> 01:19:18.840 You some will do say forty percent as a max 1460 01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:21.439 stet to income Ray show. Some might go up as 1461 01:19:21.520 --> 01:19:23.600 high as you know, fifty to fifty two percent. It 1462 01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:27.560 really depends on the lender what they're able to do. 1463 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:29.640 So when I start with the first time home buyer, 1464 01:19:29.680 --> 01:19:31.760 I always say, let's have a conversation with a really 1465 01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:34.119 good lender and let's take a look at your picture, 1466 01:19:34.159 --> 01:19:36.319 your income that's really what you need, yeah, and see 1467 01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:38.239 what that looks like and what we can do for you. 1468 01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:40.359 Do you do that? Do a lot of people get 1469 01:19:40.399 --> 01:19:44.680 pre qualified first, or at least well, yeah, pre qualified, 1470 01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:47.000 not necessarily preapproved, but do a lot of people try 1471 01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:47.960 to get pre qualified? 1472 01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:50.760 Frank oh, yeah, absolutely. In fact, that's one of the things. 1473 01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:53.199 If somebody calls us off, let's say a sign call 1474 01:19:53.279 --> 01:19:54.960 or those things, well we'll ask him those questions. Have 1475 01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:56.680 you taught to a lender, Are you're buying with cash 1476 01:19:56.760 --> 01:19:58.800 a loan now I'm getting a loan. Are you working 1477 01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:00.399 with a lender that you trust? Or you need getting 1478 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:01.640 in touch with the lender. No, we need help get 1479 01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:02.920 in touch with the lenders. So there's are a series 1480 01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:03.800 of questions we ask them. 1481 01:20:03.840 --> 01:20:07.960 Tom all right, now we have coming up more discussion. Plus, 1482 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:10.760 so if you're looking at real estate, if you have 1483 01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:14.640 any questions about buying, I think virtually somebody had a 1484 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:17.880 texture about Fix and Flip. Is it dead? I don't know, guys, 1485 01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:20.840 do you ever see fix and flips anymore? Oh? I 1486 01:20:20.840 --> 01:20:21.640 don't know about ust W. 1487 01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:23.760 I had a lot of operas from Fix and Flip people, 1488 01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:25.079 But that doesn't mean they get accepted. 1489 01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:28.079 I mean you need for fixing up houses? Oh yeah, sure, yeah. 1490 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:31.600 I mean I see investors, you know, trying to looking 1491 01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:33.479 for the deal, always looking for the deal. But right 1492 01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:35.680 now the market values are high enough. You know, people 1493 01:20:35.720 --> 01:20:37.479 are better typically it's only. 1494 01:20:37.319 --> 01:20:40.039 Going to get a steal anymore. Are they less certain? 1495 01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:42.279 Some kind of distress situation which you don't see very often? 1496 01:20:42.479 --> 01:20:45.000 And how do these buying places do it? I advertise 1497 01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:49.000 for one of them, home vestors. I advertise for one 1498 01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:52.039 of them, Like if you have a property deferred maintenance, 1499 01:20:52.079 --> 01:20:54.680 you don't want to you don't want to have loan 1500 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:59.960 approvals and listings and showings, call for whatever the number is. 1501 01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:02.359 I have them as a client, right, Well, how do 1502 01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:04.239 they even get calls if people can get so much 1503 01:21:04.319 --> 01:21:07.119 money for even crap homes. Well, I'll give you an example. 1504 01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:09.319 And by the way, just because I mentioned let me 1505 01:21:09.680 --> 01:21:11.920 I should not do the disservice it's eight hundred and 1506 01:21:11.920 --> 01:21:14.960 four or for buyer Why would people even call these 1507 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:19.720 places if they can get almost better prices? I don't know. 1508 01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:22.199 Why is it because of the process. Well, I had 1509 01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:24.319 a gentleman call me Tom. It was rough for him 1510 01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:26.840 because he was facing foreclosure. He was days away and 1511 01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:29.760 he was really in a rough spot. So situations like 1512 01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:31.239 that and it just I mean, it's a case by case. 1513 01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:32.640 Obviously the place was rough. 1514 01:21:32.680 --> 01:21:33.479 It wasn't going to go. 1515 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:36.640 Fah for sure, Okay, So I didn't want to take 1516 01:21:36.680 --> 01:21:39.119 the time. His buyer poll was very limited. So in 1517 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:40.800 that case he talked to. 1518 01:21:41.319 --> 01:21:43.760 Home gesters and they were able to help him. 1519 01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:47.640 Yeah, so Stephanie, absolutely, Yeah, it's all about the potential 1520 01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:49.159 seller's personal circumstance. 1521 01:21:49.239 --> 01:21:51.199 How quick would lead you to sell? 1522 01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:52.640 Yeah, that's for sure. 1523 01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:54.640 You know, especially with all the increased days on market 1524 01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:55.079 we're seeing. 1525 01:21:55.199 --> 01:22:03.199 So go with a sure thing Denver's Best roofer Excel 1526 01:22:03.319 --> 01:22:06.399 roofing dot com. You don't pay a cent until you're content. 1527 01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:12.960 Time for an insurance checkup free, no obligation. In comparison, 1528 01:22:13.079 --> 01:22:16.640 call Compass insurance paying too much your coverage at dozens 1529 01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:19.359 of insurance companies find out now three oh three seven 1530 01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:22.279 seven to one. Help you'll think you're his only customer 1531 01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:24.560 when you choose Frank durand the real estate man dot 1532 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:27.920 Com to list your home with Remax Alliance three oh 1533 01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:33.840 three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. Hi Tom Martino, 1534 01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:38.159 your troubleshooter three oh three seven one three talk threell 1535 01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:42.960 three seven one three eight two five five. So when 1536 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.319 it comes to real estate, and I know that it's 1537 01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:52.359 getting more and more difficult for renters and for landlords. 1538 01:22:52.640 --> 01:22:55.640 Now landlords are complaining that they're losing a lot of rights. 1539 01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:58.720 But okay, I'm gonna tell you some the pendulumness swinging. 1540 01:22:58.800 --> 01:23:00.560 For years and years, it was a two terrible place 1541 01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:05.079 to rent because renters had no rights. Now the pendulum 1542 01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:06.760 has swung where they have a lot of I believe 1543 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:09.239 they have a lot of rights, but the prices are outrageous. 1544 01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:13.399 But landlords are complaining, like the just cause law saying 1545 01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:16.399 you can't evict someone without a cause, and they mean 1546 01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:19.800 that by the way. Now in some cases, however, a 1547 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:23.319 landlord can try it and a tenant would have to 1548 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:26.880 challenge it. So it's still a bit on the tenant 1549 01:23:26.920 --> 01:23:30.960 to take action. But it's not like automatic where the 1550 01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:33.079 city comes in or the state and says you can't 1551 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:36.159 evict them, but it wonn't take long for a judge 1552 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:41.319 to rule against them. So what I want to know 1553 01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:46.119 is this, are you finding cases where landlords are selling 1554 01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:48.560 previous rentals? They're getting out of the rental business? Have 1555 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:51.439 you found that in the spring of step you have? Huh, 1556 01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:53.119 they're getting tired of it, right they are? 1557 01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:53.560 Yeah. 1558 01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:56.640 I actually met with some people recently who are going 1559 01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:58.039 to list for that reason. 1560 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:01.640 Because of the new laws. They're saying, look, because there 1561 01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:03.840 is no such thing as a one year lease. There 1562 01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:07.880 really isn't. If you lease to someone, you must renew 1563 01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:11.319 the lease unless there's a good reason you must renew it. 1564 01:24:11.640 --> 01:24:14.199 So why have more than a one year lease just 1565 01:24:14.520 --> 01:24:16.520 or why even have You can have a month to month, 1566 01:24:17.279 --> 01:24:19.079 but even if it's a six month lease, you have 1567 01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:22.399 to no way. I think it's only it only affects 1568 01:24:22.920 --> 01:24:25.479 lease as a year or longer. I think I think 1569 01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:29.560 maybe I might be wrong, but it's the just cause law, 1570 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:33.159 and there are also some other laws involved in rental. 1571 01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:36.279 And again, I don't think it's a bad thing that 1572 01:24:36.319 --> 01:24:40.319 there are laws to protect renters. I think though, that 1573 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:43.000 you're going to get to a point where you're going 1574 01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:46.199 to defeat the purpose you're trying to help renters, and 1575 01:24:46.239 --> 01:24:51.000 it's going to hurt them. I think one of the 1576 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:54.640 biggest things that should be done for renters is what 1577 01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:59.199 I believe is the wrongful withholding of security deposits. That 1578 01:24:59.279 --> 01:25:01.800 happens more than you believe. Now you might think, oh, Tom, 1579 01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.399 they probably did it, they destroyed it. No, I think 1580 01:25:04.399 --> 01:25:07.920 a lot of times landlords just keep it just because 1581 01:25:08.319 --> 01:25:11.960 they can, and they give excuses a lot of times, 1582 01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:14.680 and they've been and they have a carpet that should 1583 01:25:14.680 --> 01:25:17.119 have been replaced years ago, and they keep charging people 1584 01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:19.920 for it over and over. Now, most landlords are pretty good, 1585 01:25:19.960 --> 01:25:25.560 honest people, right. I also understand there's a move against 1586 01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:29.600 vacation reynolds by owners that a lot of people don't 1587 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:31.960 want them in their neighborhoods, and a lot of cities 1588 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.680 are requiring licensing and regulations. And I don't know if 1589 01:25:35.680 --> 01:25:37.880 you ever got involved in that. Do you ever have 1590 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:40.439 buyers saying I want to find a vacation rental or 1591 01:25:40.439 --> 01:25:41.439 something that I can. 1592 01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:44.000 Not me personally, Tom, But I'll tell you this year alone, 1593 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:46.279 I've helped a lot of people that had rentals that 1594 01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:47.359 decided to sell them. 1595 01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:49.399 I mean a ton of them this year, So you 1596 01:25:49.479 --> 01:25:51.760 did have the same thing. Landlord's saying, I want to 1597 01:25:51.760 --> 01:25:53.359 get out. Oh yes, a ton of them. 1598 01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:55.159 In fact, I just closed a few and just listed 1599 01:25:55.199 --> 01:25:58.760 a few, so they're getting out of the business, correct, 1600 01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:01.000 All right, Katchina. 1601 01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:03.960 I'm not sure if we uh what we're going to 1602 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:08.840 do here, but Quentin, I did. I did leave the 1603 01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:10.960 We're trying to get a hold of your attorney. Okay, 1604 01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:14.319 we left a message, yes we did, so you guys 1605 01:26:14.359 --> 01:26:16.479 have to be patient. Well, we'll get her on it. 1606 01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:20.640 It's a female, right, female attorney. Okay, we'll get her 1607 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:22.680 on as soon as we can, so if you can 1608 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:26.000 hang in there. Again, I'm not sure what the grounds 1609 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:29.920 of the appeal was. They're upset it was rejected. And look, 1610 01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:34.039 this isn't the first time a convict is said I'm 1611 01:26:34.079 --> 01:26:37.600 not guilty. But at the same time, many of them 1612 01:26:37.840 --> 01:26:42.960 have been exonerated after years it has happened. Okay, now 1613 01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:47.800 it's more rare that it happens. Okay. I'm not saying 1614 01:26:48.319 --> 01:26:50.640 that the courts get it wrong all the time, but 1615 01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:54.079 they do get it wrong now and then this has 1616 01:26:54.159 --> 01:26:55.920 to If you guys want to look up the case, 1617 01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:59.920 by the way, you can just google the name Sean 1618 01:27:00.039 --> 01:27:03.640 and it's s h u N so it looks like 1619 01:27:03.760 --> 01:27:09.960 Shun and it's birch b I R C H. And 1620 01:27:10.319 --> 01:27:12.960 one of the one of the articles is in Westward. 1621 01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:18.079 Another one is is in the archived Denver Post and 1622 01:27:18.119 --> 01:27:21.720 that's the one you don't have to pay for. And 1623 01:27:22.119 --> 01:27:28.279 I guess it says that there's a Let's see is 1624 01:27:28.319 --> 01:27:35.039 a defense attorney at the time was Frank Wait, wait, 1625 01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:37.439 let's see who is the who is the defense attorney 1626 01:27:37.520 --> 01:27:38.159 on this case? 1627 01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:44.880 Quentin or Sean Mandarin Bowers and Frank Moyet I had 1628 01:27:45.399 --> 01:27:47.720 called council double counsel buck now. 1629 01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:50.720 Frank Moyer Okay, now what where are they nowadays? Have 1630 01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.720 they ever tried to help you appeal? 1631 01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:58.960 I'm not I'm not sure where Frank is. But man Durin, 1632 01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:04.119 she still prid in law. She I mean, they're limited 1633 01:28:04.159 --> 01:28:06.159 to what they could do based on where I'm at 1634 01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:09.239 with the with the conviction and the most conviction proceedings, 1635 01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:12.199 other than testify on my behalf. 1636 01:28:11.800 --> 01:28:12.399 At a hearing. 1637 01:28:12.800 --> 01:28:15.680 Well, they're not. They can't testify for you, for you're 1638 01:28:15.680 --> 01:28:19.680 gonna say, But what I want to know is certain 1639 01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:23.600 issues they can did you write you said you did 1640 01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:25.880 write your own appeal. How did you learn to do that. 1641 01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:32.199 I've been in college to become a piralegal. Since i've 1642 01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:34.880 been in cards ready, I've become a certified pair of 1643 01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:39.520 legal and so based upon that that help with the 1644 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:41.520 knowledge to study the law. 1645 01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:42.960 And right right these claims. 1646 01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:46.199 But you still haven't told me that. You still haven't 1647 01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:51.399 told me the actual grounds for the appeal. The actual grounds. 1648 01:28:51.119 --> 01:28:52.279 That's what I'm trying to get to. 1649 01:28:53.319 --> 01:28:55.560 Go ahead, get to it with get to it right now, sir. 1650 01:28:55.680 --> 01:28:59.239 Go on the statue eighteen four to two O two 1651 01:28:59.359 --> 01:29:03.560 subsection one, that's first degree bargleary in Colorado. First degree 1652 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:06.079 Barkeley has to have what was called a predicate inside 1653 01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:09.119 of it for you to be convicted of that. 1654 01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:14.000 That's right. You were not convicted of first degree burglary. 1655 01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:16.640 No, I wasn't. I was found not guilty. But the 1656 01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:20.720 double jeopardy in this case is that they used the 1657 01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:23.960 same first degree murder that you're saying I was convicted 1658 01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:27.079 of inside of the barglery. If you read the information 1659 01:29:27.199 --> 01:29:30.760 I gave you, the jury instruction expounds on that it 1660 01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:35.119 gives specific instructions to the juror that hey, this is 1661 01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:38.239 the same murder count. This the same murder count. Okay, 1662 01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:39.199 specific for you. 1663 01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:40.960 Let me ask you. Let me just come right out 1664 01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:42.800 and ask you this. Okay, I'm going to come right 1665 01:29:42.840 --> 01:29:44.560 out and ask you this because I'm not your attorney. 1666 01:29:45.039 --> 01:29:48.880 And George Brockler said that is not uncommon to be 1667 01:29:48.960 --> 01:29:54.920 found guilty of the murder part of the burglary. 1668 01:29:53.600 --> 01:29:57.199 Well, if you said I did a bargerary to commit 1669 01:29:57.239 --> 01:29:59.840 the murder and not even do the bargery, how can 1670 01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:01.199 I be guilty of the murder. 1671 01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:03.600 Because you did the murder, because you did the murder, 1672 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:06.279 because you didn't go because you didn't go in because 1673 01:30:06.319 --> 01:30:07.840 you didn't go in there to steal, you went in 1674 01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:08.439 there to kill. 1675 01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:12.880 And they found me not guilty of those elements. 1676 01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:15.119 That's what I'm no, they found you not guilty of 1677 01:30:15.159 --> 01:30:18.920 the burglary. Look at Quentin, I mean not Quentin. I'm sorry, 1678 01:30:19.079 --> 01:30:22.640 I'm a Sean. This is there's a reason you're being 1679 01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:26.560 turned down. You know what the definition of insanity is 1680 01:30:26.560 --> 01:30:28.600 doing the same thing over and over and getting the 1681 01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:31.239 same result. I mean, if the courts turn you down, 1682 01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:34.319 Sean and you studied law. What does that tell you? 1683 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.520 It tells you to take another tack. I'm not saying 1684 01:30:37.600 --> 01:30:40.039 you're wrong. I'm not saying you're right. What I am 1685 01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:45.600 saying is the tactic you're using is not working. It's 1686 01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:50.520 not working. You're using. You're using a tactic that almost 1687 01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:56.319 everyone involved in law enforcement is telling me. You're all wrong. 1688 01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:01.279 You can separate that murder. You can. There does not 1689 01:31:02.039 --> 01:31:05.359 have to be a burglary to be convicted of the 1690 01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:08.199 conspiracy to commit murder and the murder part of it. 1691 01:31:10.359 --> 01:31:13.960 George Brogler just said. A former district attorney and attorney, 1692 01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:15.600 and he's well respected. 1693 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.439 He said, shodn't then get to this point, man, go 1694 01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:19.520 get to what point? 1695 01:31:19.600 --> 01:31:21.840 You never make a point? Make the point. Go ahead, 1696 01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:22.720 make the point. 1697 01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:25.920 The point is this from the start of this case, 1698 01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:29.079 the Bill case, it's been corruption in this whole case 1699 01:31:29.359 --> 01:31:32.760 the whole time that I could prove. And I'll try 1700 01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:34.960 to send you things that help with that. I don't 1701 01:31:34.960 --> 01:31:35.760 know if you've read them. 1702 01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:38.520 I did, road him. I want to know what corruption. 1703 01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:40.640 Let's take one. Let's take one. 1704 01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:44.039 Well, the main one of the corruption starts with Detective 1705 01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:46.840 Humphrey from the beginning when they indict me on this 1706 01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:51.520 case where he's withholding the sculpatory evidence, it proves I didn't. 1707 01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:54.600 Do to murder Quentin. I'm sorry to get the name 1708 01:31:54.680 --> 01:31:57.000 Quinton off there. For God's sakes, I keep looking at it. 1709 01:31:57.000 --> 01:31:59.119 I'm just going to take it off. Sean. Let me 1710 01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:02.239 just ask you this straight up, Okay, straight up, what 1711 01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:05.119 did he withhold? Let's just talk in English? What did 1712 01:32:05.119 --> 01:32:05.680 he withhold? 1713 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:11.439 He withheld a video of the only eyewitness telling him 1714 01:32:11.439 --> 01:32:15.199 he's seen the killers, and he specifically said I was 1715 01:32:15.279 --> 01:32:16.159 not the killer. 1716 01:32:16.319 --> 01:32:20.039 Okay, that's that one piecee Hold on, hold on that 1717 01:32:20.199 --> 01:32:25.079 video of an eyewitness. That eyewitness did not testify in court? 1718 01:32:25.159 --> 01:32:27.479 Is that right? Yes? 1719 01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:29.399 He did, Yes, he did. 1720 01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:32.119 Did your attorney ask identify me? 1721 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:39.359 Okay? So that guy that that guy on the video, 1722 01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:42.159 not in the testimony in court, but on the video 1723 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:49.119 when he was when he was interviewed by the detective. 1724 01:32:49.560 --> 01:32:56.640 He said it wasn't Sean, correct, And why didn't your 1725 01:32:56.800 --> 01:33:01.199 wait wait wait, why didn't your attorney or draw that 1726 01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:09.399 out in cross examination? She did so in court? Hold 1727 01:33:09.439 --> 01:33:14.319 on in court. There's a transcript in court. There's a 1728 01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:20.039 transcript of the witness saying the man I saw shoot him? 1729 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:22.119 Was not Sean? 1730 01:33:24.199 --> 01:33:28.079 Correct? He never identifies me as the shooter at Trout? 1731 01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:31.680 Did he say it was not you? 1732 01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:36.800 Well, he couldn't say it was or was not me 1733 01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:39.399 because the ceilings wore masks. Whoever did this? 1734 01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:45.279 Okay, Okay, I got it, I got it? Did he say, Sean, 1735 01:33:45.439 --> 01:33:47.600 you got to forgive me? Because I don't know about 1736 01:33:47.600 --> 01:33:50.520 the case, so I know this. These sound like dumb questions. 1737 01:33:50.880 --> 01:33:55.520 But did they say did they say did they say 1738 01:33:56.800 --> 01:34:00.359 to him? Was it Sean? Was it his voice? I mean, 1739 01:34:00.399 --> 01:34:04.039 did they make any kind of connection? How did they 1740 01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:06.840 connect you to the scene? Were you there? Were you there? 1741 01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:08.119 No? 1742 01:34:08.199 --> 01:34:08.640 I wasn't. 1743 01:34:09.159 --> 01:34:11.960 I'm unequivocally innocent. I was not there. 1744 01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:15.680 You were not? Even So there were three men they arrested, 1745 01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:18.359 two of the right ones, but one wrong one? Or 1746 01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:22.159 were none of those three? Like what about your co defendants? 1747 01:34:22.199 --> 01:34:23.800 None of the three? 1748 01:34:24.159 --> 01:34:27.159 All three of the all you're saying all three, hold 1749 01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:29.479 on you and the other two were all innocent? 1750 01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:34.239 Behalf? 1751 01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:36.960 Yeah, but I'm asking you if they got it hold on. 1752 01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:39.720 I need to know this, Sean, I need to know this. 1753 01:34:40.159 --> 01:34:43.720 Were you the only one wrongfully convicted? Well, if you're 1754 01:34:43.760 --> 01:34:46.000 not going to answer. Okay, I'm sorry. Can't do it 1755 01:34:46.079 --> 01:34:51.840 unless you're going to answer me. Go with a sure 1756 01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:55.399 thing Denver's best roofer Excel Roofing dot com. You don't 1757 01:34:55.399 --> 01:35:01.439 pay a cent until you're content. Time for an insurance 1758 01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:05.239 check up free, no obligation. In comparison, call Compass Insurance 1759 01:35:05.399 --> 01:35:08.399 paying too much your coverage at dozens of insurance companies 1760 01:35:08.479 --> 01:35:11.079 find out now three O three seven to seven to one. Help. 1761 01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:13.880 You'll think you're his only customer when you choose Frank 1762 01:35:13.960 --> 01:35:16.399 durand the real estate Man dot com to list your 1763 01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:19.600 home with Remax Alliance three oh three nine two zero 1764 01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:29.920 sixteen twenty two. Hi Tom Martino, you're troubleshooter three O 1765 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:32.920 three seven to one three Talk chopper. What do you 1766 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:34.880 got going on? You got some updates? What are they? 1767 01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:35.960 Well? 1768 01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:38.680 The first one is the company that used to be 1769 01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:40.319 good that is horrible anymore. 1770 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:43.399 Let me get us Champion, You got it, Champion Windows. 1771 01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:47.800 Champion is a story about a company that has been destroyed. 1772 01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:51.199 Yeah, we had a lady named Kay who's a. 1773 01:35:51.399 --> 01:35:53.920 They suck and champion. You know when it happened they 1774 01:35:53.920 --> 01:35:57.319 were bought up by some giant, big national company okay, 1775 01:35:57.319 --> 01:35:57.720 go ahead. 1776 01:35:58.039 --> 01:36:03.720 Uh, she's a senior city been partially vision impaired. She 1777 01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:06.239 had three only three windows put in. She had to 1778 01:36:06.279 --> 01:36:09.159 go to Champion because everyone else didn't want to U 1779 01:36:09.199 --> 01:36:13.600 juste to do three windows. She's been waiting now almost 1780 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:14.439 a year. 1781 01:36:14.560 --> 01:36:16.800 What's her name? K? When did she call? 1782 01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:18.600 Uh? 1783 01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:21.119 I don't have it down, but it's been probably about 1784 01:36:21.399 --> 01:36:22.000 ten days. 1785 01:36:22.159 --> 01:36:24.399 Okay, God, I'm looking for right now, go ahead. 1786 01:36:25.399 --> 01:36:28.039 And I called Champion and I got the oh, we 1787 01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:30.039 can't talk to you. And I said, hey, wait a minute, 1788 01:36:30.039 --> 01:36:31.840 I'll do a conference call. 1789 01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:32.199 Good. 1790 01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:34.880 So we did a conference call. 1791 01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:38.600 I have got the story that these screens in windows. 1792 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:42.680 That's she called August ninth. That can't be or is 1793 01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:45.159 that another K with the same problem where there were 1794 01:36:45.159 --> 01:36:46.159 no screens. 1795 01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:48.439 That's yes, that's the one no screens you said up 1796 01:36:48.479 --> 01:36:48.840 ten days? 1797 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:51.439 It was August ninth. Bro okay, all right, go ahead. 1798 01:36:52.520 --> 01:36:56.159 We arranged at the screens were being made, they were 1799 01:36:56.199 --> 01:36:58.880 going to be put on a truck. They were coming 1800 01:36:59.000 --> 01:36:59.600 this week. 1801 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:00.560 Oh. 1802 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:02.960 We had to talk to like twelve different people to 1803 01:37:03.000 --> 01:37:07.079 get that. Today she just called me and said Champion says, no, 1804 01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:10.760 they're not made yet. They're on backwater. And you probably. 1805 01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:13.840 We don't know when they're going to get them. K's 1806 01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:16.439 been very nice. We've kind of laughed about it, saying 1807 01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:20.399 she'll probably get the screens after the first Snow, you 1808 01:37:20.479 --> 01:37:23.319 know what, I bought windows from Champion when they were 1809 01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:27.000 a good company. Yeah, I wouldn't. I tell people, in 1810 01:37:27.039 --> 01:37:29.000 my humble opinion, you avoid them. 1811 01:37:29.039 --> 01:37:31.800 No, No, avoid them like the plague. Now Champion. When 1812 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:34.319 I hate to say this, and the reason I hate 1813 01:37:34.319 --> 01:37:37.640 saying it, I hate won a great company. Just god, man, 1814 01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:38.640 it just happens. 1815 01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:40.600 And then I have a second one. 1816 01:37:40.640 --> 01:37:41.319 All right, go ahead. 1817 01:37:41.840 --> 01:37:45.439 This was an Aspen I show called on the twentieth 1818 01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:50.800 of October, I mean twentieth of August. This is she 1819 01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:54.680 was having a roofing deck or I caught an aunting 1820 01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:59.039 put on her house and she contracted with a gentleman. 1821 01:37:59.079 --> 01:38:03.720 That mean you disagreed on the spelling, but it is Jefferson, 1822 01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:10.239 like the aviation Jefferson, Yeah, Jefferson to do it, and 1823 01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:11.880 he took three thousand dollars. 1824 01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:14.680 I've called this her first name. I got. 1825 01:38:14.800 --> 01:38:16.239 I have Aspen on my notes. 1826 01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:20.840 Okay, Aspen, Okay, that'll be easy to look up. Go ahead, 1827 01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:24.479 and yep, he's gone. Or Josh Jepson. 1828 01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:25.600 Yep, he's gone. 1829 01:38:25.680 --> 01:38:28.039 I just put a roof on her deck. She paid 1830 01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:33.199 him two thousand dollars for materials and approximately twenty by twenty. 1831 01:38:33.439 --> 01:38:36.760 He showed up in August to complete the deck but 1832 01:38:36.960 --> 01:38:39.199 never did what what did he leave undone? 1833 01:38:39.279 --> 01:38:43.359 Well he never No, he never did the awning part. 1834 01:38:44.000 --> 01:38:46.359 He did some inside it for her. That's how she 1835 01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:47.560 got got a. 1836 01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:50.520 Hold of him. He did something for her. 1837 01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:53.840 Yeah, a prior job. That's why she used him the second. 1838 01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:58.920 Toll to complete a prior job. Got it, got it 1839 01:38:59.000 --> 01:39:03.399 the deck right, got it? Okay, So so okay, I've 1840 01:39:03.399 --> 01:39:04.880 called guys gone, I've. 1841 01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:07.960 Called he's gone. I mean I wouldn't say I did this, 1842 01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:09.960 but I even called and said, hey, I got a 1843 01:39:10.039 --> 01:39:12.039 job for you to do. We gotta called me back. 1844 01:39:12.079 --> 01:39:13.640 We got to put him on the seat. How much 1845 01:39:13.720 --> 01:39:16.039 that you have two grand of her money? I showed 1846 01:39:16.079 --> 01:39:22.600 three grand according to her. And he does his phone still. 1847 01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:26.520 Work and the phones still work, but he doesn't. 1848 01:39:26.239 --> 01:39:29.239 Call you back. He never do you get a voicemail. 1849 01:39:29.359 --> 01:39:32.960 You do get a voicemail, okay, and sometimes it's full, 1850 01:39:33.399 --> 01:39:35.199 but he must be going in it and the empty 1851 01:39:35.239 --> 01:39:36.319 nip he's his phone number. 1852 01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:38.960 I want people to inundate it with voicemail telling me 1853 01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:39.600 he's a crook. 1854 01:39:40.039 --> 01:39:43.319 Nine seven zero yeah, nine three nine. 1855 01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:45.399 Be nice when you call him at your a crook 1856 01:39:45.600 --> 01:39:46.800 nine three nine. 1857 01:39:46.720 --> 01:39:48.039 Zero seven nine to one. 1858 01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:50.800 Yeah. So here's what I mean. You don't have to 1859 01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:53.880 be vulgar. Just say, look, we heard about you, Josh. 1860 01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:56.800 We're gonna let everyone know about you. You're a crook. 1861 01:39:57.319 --> 01:40:00.399 And he was seven zero nine three nine zero seven nine. 1862 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:03.600 He wasn't located by our referral list. He was that 1863 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:06.720 other good spot called next door. Yeah, of course, yeah, 1864 01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:07.039 of course. 1865 01:40:07.560 --> 01:40:09.239 A lot of these clowns have go on next door. 1866 01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:11.159 There's no way for them to check out people. They 1867 01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:15.880 just can't nine seven zero nine three nine zero seven 1868 01:40:16.039 --> 01:40:20.520 nine one nine seven zero nine three nine zero seven 1869 01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:23.079 nine to one. Right, Yes, okay, else going on. 1870 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:26.439 I have one other one, but I'm gonna hold off 1871 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:31.399 on that. That was an attorney that uh we told 1872 01:40:31.479 --> 01:40:36.000 the lady to go to the Supreme Court, uh Committee. 1873 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:39.479 On Grievance Committee for an attorney what's her name? Oh? 1874 01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:41.600 Are you still working on it? Yeah, we're still working 1875 01:40:41.640 --> 01:40:43.960 on it. Because what was it about? An attorney took 1876 01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:44.680 some money. 1877 01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:48.720 Yeah, he took from Regina, that's the name. Uh, took 1878 01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:51.640 some money, signed some checks and didn't give her all 1879 01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:53.600 the money that he should have. 1880 01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:56.720 All things right, he took some settlement money. 1881 01:40:56.800 --> 01:40:58.600 Yes, the Supreme Court's looking into it. 1882 01:40:58.640 --> 01:41:04.600 Hold on good, Go with a sure thing Denver's best 1883 01:41:04.680 --> 01:41:07.560 roofer Excel Roofing dot com. You don't pay a cent 1884 01:41:07.760 --> 01:41:13.880 until you're contenth time for an insurance check up free, 1885 01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:17.960 no obligation comparison call Compass Insurance paying too much your 1886 01:41:18.000 --> 01:41:20.920 coverage at dozens of insurance companies find out now three 1887 01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:23.520 oh three seven seven to one help. You'll think you're 1888 01:41:23.560 --> 01:41:26.079 his only customer when you choose Frank durand the real 1889 01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:29.159 estate Man dot com to list your home with Remax 1890 01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:36.960 Alliance three oh three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. 1891 01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:40.640 Hi Tom Martine here three O three seven one three 1892 01:41:40.720 --> 01:41:44.399 talks seven one three eight two five five. Welcome to 1893 01:41:44.439 --> 01:41:50.399 the show. And again, look we're gonna uh, we're gonna 1894 01:41:50.399 --> 01:41:54.600 revisit this a little. Uh, we're running out of time. 1895 01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:58.439 And I really let me just say this right up front. 1896 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:01.439 I don't even know what I would do if I'm 1897 01:42:01.439 --> 01:42:03.479 sitting in prison, and I didn't think I was guilty. 1898 01:42:03.520 --> 01:42:06.359 But there are so many people say, don't waste your 1899 01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:09.079 time on this, blah blah blah, And I say, what 1900 01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:12.199 harm is it doing? It's doing no harm And on 1901 01:42:12.239 --> 01:42:16.720 the outside possibility this guy's got a case. What the 1902 01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:18.960 hell I mean, it's what is it? It's not doing 1903 01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:22.319 anything harmful to me to talk to Sean. I mean, 1904 01:42:22.359 --> 01:42:24.520 I know that if I was in prison and I 1905 01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:27.199 wanted somebody to listen to me, it would be a 1906 01:42:27.199 --> 01:42:32.159 good thing. So again, we have such limited time in between, 1907 01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:35.199 and it's amazing to me he can be on the phone, 1908 01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:38.239 and I hope he can hang because I just want 1909 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:42.119 to ask some very basic questions that our attorneys asked 1910 01:42:42.159 --> 01:42:45.119 me to ask him. Again, they won't come on, and 1911 01:42:45.159 --> 01:42:47.279 we're still trying to get a hold of his attorney. 1912 01:42:47.479 --> 01:42:50.239 Plus we have a real estate discussion going on. Then 1913 01:42:50.279 --> 01:42:54.000 we have any consumer problems, questions and complaints three oh 1914 01:42:54.039 --> 01:42:57.359 three seven one to three talk Go with a sure 1915 01:42:57.439 --> 01:43:01.199 thing Denver's Best Rufer Excel roofing. You don't pay a 1916 01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:07.199 cent until you're content, Leave time for an insurance check 1917 01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:11.319 up free no obligation comparison call Compass Insurance paying too 1918 01:43:11.359 --> 01:43:14.439 much your coverage at dozens of insurance companies. Find out 1919 01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:17.199 now three all three seven seven one help. You'll think 1920 01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:19.800 you're his only customer when you choose Frank durand the 1921 01:43:19.840 --> 01:43:22.479 real estate man dot com to list your home with 1922 01:43:22.600 --> 01:43:26.159 Remax Alliance three all three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. 1923 01:43:27.039 --> 01:43:37.319 Yeah, ripped of need advice? Who you don't have? Come 1924 01:43:39.680 --> 01:43:44.239 run incous asta as we can. Shooter's gonna help. 1925 01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:45.600 Come man. 1926 01:43:46.439 --> 01:43:53.199 This is the Troubleshooter Show. No Tom Martino, Hi, Tom Martino, 1927 01:43:53.279 --> 01:43:56.000 You're Troubleshooter three all three seven one three talks seven 1928 01:43:56.079 --> 01:43:59.680 one three eight five five. Welcome to the show. We're 1929 01:43:59.680 --> 01:44:01.880 talking real estate today. I got Frank Dran the real 1930 01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:05.520 estate Man dot Com on with me, and also Stephanie 1931 01:44:07.079 --> 01:44:13.439 Stephanie Thomas, and she's Stephanie Ari dot com. And she's 1932 01:44:13.479 --> 01:44:16.119 in the Springs area up up to like Castle Rock, 1933 01:44:16.159 --> 01:44:19.319 and Frank is all around the metro area north. And 1934 01:44:19.520 --> 01:44:22.239 how far do you go into the mountains Frank off anything? 1935 01:44:22.279 --> 01:44:22.880 How far up? 1936 01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:25.800 So I go as far as Golden oh to the west, 1937 01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:28.800 and as far as Kingsburg to the east, and how 1938 01:44:28.840 --> 01:44:32.199 about north Firestone to Castle Rock and everything in between. 1939 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:34.720 And then Stephanie how far west you go down there? 1940 01:44:36.760 --> 01:44:39.800 Yeah, absolutely, I do tell her county so Woodland, Park Divide, 1941 01:44:39.840 --> 01:44:43.119 Cripple Creek. I will go a little bit into Park County, 1942 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:47.800 but typically not as far as you know, like fairplay 1943 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:49.119 or getting too far out there. 1944 01:44:50.039 --> 01:44:54.560 Mountain properties are pretty specialized. I think they are. I 1945 01:44:54.680 --> 01:44:58.159 really do, just like some rural properties, but mainly mountains 1946 01:44:58.199 --> 01:45:03.119 have very special kinds of problems. How are we coming 1947 01:45:03.159 --> 01:45:06.840 on finding this guy's attorney to come on and address 1948 01:45:06.920 --> 01:45:07.600 the rejection? 1949 01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:12.800 So we've left a message, and her voice small is going, 1950 01:45:13.199 --> 01:45:15.000 her phone is going straight to voicemail. 1951 01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:17.520 I wonder if she doesn't want to be on. He 1952 01:45:17.600 --> 01:45:20.960 said he had to fill out a release and he 1953 01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:25.880 did so we could talk, and I want to attempt 1954 01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:29.359 to ask some questions of him. Now for people listening, 1955 01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:34.359 Sean is doing a life sentence plus forty eight years, 1956 01:45:35.560 --> 01:45:38.479 so that you know, let's know, that's that's that's a 1957 01:45:38.479 --> 01:45:43.600 big deal. And he was convicted of first degree murder 1958 01:45:45.600 --> 01:45:51.239 and he was charged with burglary, and I don't I 1959 01:45:51.279 --> 01:45:53.840 didn't read the charge. I'm just going George Brocker trying 1960 01:45:53.840 --> 01:45:57.199 to explain it to me, but I don't actually have 1961 01:45:57.319 --> 01:46:00.640 the charging document. I have articles I'm reading. Okay, so, 1962 01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:03.479 and I'm really not familiar with the case and it 1963 01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:11.119 was many years ago. But basically the article says a 1964 01:46:11.279 --> 01:46:15.920 second man at the time, twenty nine year old Sean Birch, 1965 01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:22.079 has been convicted of murdering a witness in two thousand 1966 01:46:22.119 --> 01:46:23.880 and six. I left out the name of the witness, 1967 01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:27.520 doesn't matter. He was one of three men charged with 1968 01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:32.840 the killing. So you see, and perhaps the least known 1969 01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:37.720 and it says reputed gang leader Brian Hicks was found 1970 01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:42.079 guilty last month. Now this is going back to this 1971 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:49.920 article dated twenty eleven. And then it says and it 1972 01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:57.119 says Willie Clark previously convicted of killing Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams. 1973 01:46:57.319 --> 01:47:00.760 Anybody remember that Jack? You were a copback then, right. 1974 01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:02.239 Two thousand and six. 1975 01:47:02.399 --> 01:47:07.039 I was okay, no, no, this was okay, okay, Yeah, 1976 01:47:07.159 --> 01:47:11.680 is also charged with murdering Clark. So they were all 1977 01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:15.279 charged with it. Now, that doesn't mean that any of 1978 01:47:15.319 --> 01:47:18.079 them or any one of them pulled the trigger. As 1979 01:47:18.159 --> 01:47:22.720 George Brockler explained, former district attorney, former talk show host 1980 01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:26.920 and Man about Town explained, you can be just there 1981 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:31.760 and part of it and face the same consequences as 1982 01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:35.359 the person who pulls the trigger, but they were also 1983 01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:45.880 But but Sean was also charged with burglary, first degree burglary, 1984 01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:52.399 and felony murder. Again, he was found not guilty of 1985 01:47:52.600 --> 01:47:56.880 first degree murder. I excuse me, A first degree burglary 1986 01:47:56.960 --> 01:48:01.319 and felony murder. That is one charge. But then there 1987 01:48:01.359 --> 01:48:06.840 were two other charges, first degree murder and conspiracy to 1988 01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:12.079 commit first degree murder. Now, somehow Sean believes because he 1989 01:48:12.199 --> 01:48:16.000 was found not guilty of the first degree burglary and 1990 01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:20.720 felony murder, he couldn't possibly be guilty of the first 1991 01:48:20.720 --> 01:48:25.720 degree murder and conspiracy. And again, I've not talked to 1992 01:48:25.800 --> 01:48:29.520 one or texted one legal expert that agrees with that 1993 01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:32.920 and would never ever, ever ever try to appeal that. 1994 01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:36.800 So Shawn's on his own and he'll never win. But 1995 01:48:36.960 --> 01:48:41.039 he mentioned something else. And you've heard of cases being 1996 01:48:41.079 --> 01:48:47.399 overturned when it's shown that maybe evidence was withheld. Well, 1997 01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:51.359 he said that a video was withheld of a witness 1998 01:48:52.800 --> 01:48:57.079 who said they couldn't identify the shooter or they couldn't 1999 01:48:57.079 --> 01:49:04.039 identify the man or whatever. But in court that person testified, 2000 01:49:05.359 --> 01:49:10.560 and I was wondering why his defense attorney didn't get 2001 01:49:10.600 --> 01:49:14.199 the information that it wasn't him. Again, I am so 2002 01:49:14.399 --> 01:49:18.399 confused about this that I want to ask such basic questions. 2003 01:49:18.720 --> 01:49:22.039 It's going to be very silly for someone familiar with 2004 01:49:22.079 --> 01:49:25.600 the case, but I need to so, Sean, I just 2005 01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:27.520 need to ask questions. You have to bear with me, 2006 01:49:27.840 --> 01:49:30.239 and I really can't have you making speeches right now. 2007 01:49:30.760 --> 01:49:33.359 I really need to know this. Okay. So you were 2008 01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:39.079 the one of three people convicted here, and you're saying 2009 01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:42.359 you weren't even there. You weren't there for any part 2010 01:49:42.359 --> 01:49:45.720 of this at all, not one part of this. Okay, 2011 01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:49.119 got it? Hold on, I get it. And you said 2012 01:49:49.159 --> 01:49:53.720 all three men wore masks. What I'm asking you? Do 2013 01:49:53.880 --> 01:49:56.800 you know if the other two people are saying they 2014 01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:58.119 were not there either. 2015 01:50:00.079 --> 01:50:01.840 They also said they're innocent too. 2016 01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:04.439 Are they saying they were not there? 2017 01:50:07.439 --> 01:50:08.199 They weren't there? 2018 01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:14.279 Okay, during that time this allegedly took place. What is 2019 01:50:14.319 --> 01:50:15.159 your alibi? 2020 01:50:17.880 --> 01:50:20.119 Well, this is a like, this is a cold case. 2021 01:50:20.159 --> 01:50:23.319 I know it wasn't there, but like, can you tell 2022 01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:24.800 me where you were ten years ago? 2023 01:50:25.279 --> 01:50:27.920 No, but it wasn't ten years ago. I am positive 2024 01:50:28.000 --> 01:50:29.920 you had to have gone through this with a defense 2025 01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:33.840 attorney the very first thing. I mean, the conviction may 2026 01:50:33.880 --> 01:50:36.279 have been ten years ago, but sir, if I was 2027 01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:38.600 on trial for my life and my attorney was trying 2028 01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:42.119 to establish I wasn't there, I would remember my alibi. 2029 01:50:44.279 --> 01:50:46.560 Well, I didn't do it. That was my alibi. 2030 01:50:47.000 --> 01:50:50.319 But did the police did your attorney ask you if 2031 01:50:50.359 --> 01:50:51.920 you had an alibi back then? 2032 01:50:54.960 --> 01:50:56.560 I believe she did, Yes, she did. 2033 01:50:57.720 --> 01:50:59.960 Do you remember telling your attorney no, I couldn't have 2034 01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:02.479 on it. I was out having drinks with Harry. I mean, 2035 01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:04.159 like I. 2036 01:51:04.119 --> 01:51:06.359 Said I was. I said I was at work or 2037 01:51:06.439 --> 01:51:09.560 at home? Okay, because I worked and I just went 2038 01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:10.000 at home. 2039 01:51:10.039 --> 01:51:12.560 I mean, okay. Now what I want to know is 2040 01:51:12.560 --> 01:51:16.039 this then, But you have no idea. You have no 2041 01:51:16.159 --> 01:51:19.840 idea if the other two men are guilty or not right, 2042 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:20.680 you have no idea. 2043 01:51:22.520 --> 01:51:24.239 Well, no, they pleaded not guilty. 2044 01:51:24.560 --> 01:51:25.159 His idea is. 2045 01:51:25.479 --> 01:51:29.039 Okay, are they still maintaining to my website? 2046 01:51:29.079 --> 01:51:31.359 Tom? That way you guys could get more? 2047 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:34.079 Oh good, Yeah, I'd love it. What is it? Yeah, 2048 01:51:34.079 --> 01:51:35.119 I'd love it. 2049 01:51:34.520 --> 01:51:38.439 It's called it's called the Elements of a Wrongful Conviction 2050 01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:40.119 that Change dot org. 2051 01:51:40.560 --> 01:51:43.039 Oh my god, that's the whole hold on that's why 2052 01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:44.600 no one will find that in a search engine. 2053 01:51:44.760 --> 01:51:49.159 The element yeah of a wrongful. 2054 01:51:51.239 --> 01:51:54.199 Conviction, A wrongful conviction, the elements of a. 2055 01:51:54.199 --> 01:51:56.000 Would you make this website? 2056 01:51:58.279 --> 01:51:58.880 My team do? 2057 01:52:01.279 --> 01:52:04.640 And where did you get this team? 2058 01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:06.520 A team of family members. 2059 01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:09.399 Well, that's wonderful that you got all that support. It 2060 01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:12.920 says it can't. I'm typing it in as carefully as possible, 2061 01:52:13.199 --> 01:52:17.800 and it says can't be reached. The element of a 2062 01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:20.319 wrongful conviction dot org. 2063 01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:24.840 At change dot org. Oh, change dot org. 2064 01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:30.319 At change dot org. Okay, at at change Wait the 2065 01:52:30.319 --> 01:52:32.279 at sign or the word at. 2066 01:52:32.199 --> 01:52:35.680 Yeah, the at sign, the at sign change. 2067 01:52:36.279 --> 01:52:38.399 I've never seen an AT sign in a U R 2068 01:52:38.560 --> 01:52:42.239 L at. Okay, bro, I'll find I'll do it. But 2069 01:52:42.319 --> 01:52:46.359 I'm not saying hold on, uh, it's not coming up 2070 01:52:46.479 --> 01:52:47.479 like you're saying it. 2071 01:52:47.680 --> 01:52:51.319 Just change dot org is the website. 2072 01:52:52.239 --> 01:52:57.840 What? Oh wait, change dot org is okay, And then 2073 01:52:57.880 --> 01:53:00.840 the element of us Okay. 2074 01:53:00.840 --> 01:53:04.439 I'm the wrongful conviction is the title of my page. 2075 01:53:04.479 --> 01:53:06.960 There, I got it. Okay, So we have to. 2076 01:53:06.960 --> 01:53:10.319 First I've been incarcerating Tom, so I don't know what 2077 01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:10.920 it looks like. 2078 01:53:11.119 --> 01:53:14.000 Okay, So first we have to go to change dot 2079 01:53:14.119 --> 01:53:18.800 org to find it. Hey, somebody brought up somebody brought 2080 01:53:18.880 --> 01:53:24.039 up a good Uh, I'm getting I am getting texted 2081 01:53:24.159 --> 01:53:30.720 while you're talking, and it says it says here somebody 2082 01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:33.720 wants to know what? What? What do you want? I mean? 2083 01:53:33.800 --> 01:53:36.399 In other words, why are you calling me? What can 2084 01:53:36.439 --> 01:53:36.800 I do? 2085 01:53:39.479 --> 01:53:41.840 I wanted to get my story out there because I 2086 01:53:41.880 --> 01:53:44.640 don't have a voice in prison, like they've been trying 2087 01:53:44.640 --> 01:53:47.079 to silence this case the whole time. 2088 01:53:47.279 --> 01:53:50.439 Okay, I'm at I hear you. Now you want to 2089 01:53:50.439 --> 01:53:54.239 get the word out. I have change dot org. How 2090 01:53:54.239 --> 01:53:55.960 do I find your page on here? 2091 01:53:57.560 --> 01:53:59.840 So you type in that the element? 2092 01:54:00.800 --> 01:54:03.079 But where do you type it in? Because there's nowhere 2093 01:54:03.119 --> 01:54:07.439 to type it in? Wait? Is there a search? Where's 2094 01:54:07.479 --> 01:54:08.840 the search over on the right? 2095 01:54:09.239 --> 01:54:09.439 Boy? 2096 01:54:09.560 --> 01:54:11.359 I got it. I got a hold on I'm gonna 2097 01:54:11.359 --> 01:54:15.079 I'm gonna have to take a break hold on Sean. Heather, Heather, 2098 01:54:15.239 --> 01:54:16.720 what's going on with you? I don't want you. I 2099 01:54:16.720 --> 01:54:18.800 don't want to make you wait this whole time. You 2100 01:54:18.840 --> 01:54:24.119 say you were given the wrong medicine in an ambulance, Heather. 2101 01:54:26.279 --> 01:54:28.520 Can we try to connect with Heather? She's not coming 2102 01:54:28.600 --> 01:54:35.720 up right now. Please go with a sure thing Denver's 2103 01:54:35.760 --> 01:54:38.600 best roofer Excel Roofing dot com. You don't pay a 2104 01:54:38.720 --> 01:54:45.199 cent until you're content. Time for an insurance check up free, 2105 01:54:45.279 --> 01:54:49.319 no obligation. Comparison call Compass Insurance paying too much your 2106 01:54:49.359 --> 01:54:52.279 coverage at dozens of insurance companies find out now three 2107 01:54:52.359 --> 01:54:55.000 oh three seven seven one help. You'll think you're his 2108 01:54:55.159 --> 01:54:57.800 only customer when you choose Frank durand the real estate 2109 01:54:57.840 --> 01:55:00.520 Man dot com to list your home with three Max 2110 01:55:00.560 --> 01:55:03.640 Alliance three oh three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. 2111 01:55:08.479 --> 01:55:11.439 Hi Tom Martino, you're troubleshooter. By the way, I went 2112 01:55:11.479 --> 01:55:14.960 to this website on one computer that shows a video. 2113 01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:17.560 I'm trying to find it on the other anyway. Oh yeah, 2114 01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:21.359 there it is, so on this thing he actually has. 2115 01:55:21.720 --> 01:55:24.840 Where the hell did you sean? Let me ask you, Yeah, 2116 01:55:24.920 --> 01:55:27.680 I'm here. Let me ask you where where did you 2117 01:55:27.760 --> 01:55:29.000 get this video. 2118 01:55:31.359 --> 01:55:33.640 From? This came from the corrupt D. 2119 01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:38.640 And then why would a corrupt DA show you exculpatory 2120 01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:42.119 evidence that he withheld? I don't get that part. 2121 01:55:41.760 --> 01:55:44.760 Because let me explain that to you, Tom, Another DA 2122 01:55:44.880 --> 01:55:47.479 took over the case and turned the video over. 2123 01:55:48.199 --> 01:55:50.960 Did this other D? Wait, did the other DA feel 2124 01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:53.600 this should have been in court. 2125 01:55:54.720 --> 01:55:55.359 Yeah, that's what. 2126 01:55:55.520 --> 01:55:57.800 Well, here's what I don't understand. I'm playing the takes. 2127 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:04.720 Hold on, hold on, This guy is talking about who 2128 01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:09.199 he saw kill his wife. Correct, Well, if you guys 2129 01:56:09.239 --> 01:56:11.359 were all wearing masks, I'm not saying you, but the 2130 01:56:11.399 --> 01:56:13.920 three people that were there were all wearing masks. How 2131 01:56:13.960 --> 01:56:16.159 does he know they have the wrong people in custody? 2132 01:56:18.199 --> 01:56:22.159 I don't. Well, watched the video. He tells you why. 2133 01:56:22.279 --> 01:56:25.199 He says that it looked like the guy that was 2134 01:56:25.239 --> 01:56:28.239 the shooter if he fitted the scription to the key. 2135 01:56:28.880 --> 01:56:35.159 If you hold on video, I'm listening, like, I. 2136 01:56:35.119 --> 01:56:37.680 Want to tell people how they can see this video. Listen. 2137 01:56:38.000 --> 01:56:39.399 I want to tell people how to get to this 2138 01:56:39.479 --> 01:56:41.479 site in case they want to sign your petition, because, 2139 01:56:41.479 --> 01:56:44.119 as I said this, Sean, look, you're sitting in jail 2140 01:56:44.159 --> 01:56:47.520 for life plus forty eight years, you're convicted of murder. 2141 01:56:47.600 --> 01:56:50.319 You're saying you're innocent. What I said is this, I'm 2142 01:56:50.319 --> 01:56:52.760 not doing any harm by letting you get your story out. 2143 01:56:52.800 --> 01:56:55.000 For God's sakes, if I was in prison and I 2144 01:56:55.039 --> 01:56:57.960 felt like I was wrongly convicted, I for sure would 2145 01:56:58.039 --> 01:57:00.319 love at least someone listening to me. So I'm going 2146 01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:02.840 to give out the website. Well, there's not going to 2147 01:57:02.880 --> 01:57:04.600 do any harm, right, I mean, I don't know if 2148 01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:07.159 you're I just know this. It's not going to do 2149 01:57:07.199 --> 01:57:10.319 any harm exploring it. Okay, So here's what it is. 2150 01:57:10.520 --> 01:57:14.720 Go to change dot org. That's the name of the website, 2151 01:57:14.920 --> 01:57:19.159 change dot org. Once you get there, you go up 2152 01:57:19.199 --> 01:57:21.880 to the top right and there's a drop down menu 2153 01:57:22.600 --> 01:57:26.159 and you can do a search. When you search, put 2154 01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:31.119 in elements of a wrongful conviction. I imagine you could probably 2155 01:57:31.159 --> 01:57:32.520 even put his name in there. I don't know. But 2156 01:57:32.880 --> 01:57:36.119 once you put elements of a wrongful conviction in there, 2157 01:57:36.560 --> 01:57:39.399 then you can scroll through this and read about the case. 2158 01:57:39.800 --> 01:57:42.680 But the one part where you see the right, if 2159 01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:45.520 you look very closely, it's hard to see because it 2160 01:57:45.560 --> 01:57:47.920 doesn't look like a link. It just looks like a 2161 01:57:48.680 --> 01:57:55.479 boldface headline above the QR code. There's something that's written 2162 01:57:55.600 --> 01:58:02.439 in boldface, exculpatory evidence. If you click on that headline 2163 01:58:02.640 --> 01:58:06.199 exculpatory evidence or that bold faced well, I call it 2164 01:58:06.239 --> 01:58:08.560 a headline. If you click on that or a heading, 2165 01:58:09.319 --> 01:58:12.760 it'll take you to the video where the guy's sister 2166 01:58:13.720 --> 01:58:18.479 where the excuse me, the sister's brother the victim's brother. Oh, 2167 01:58:18.560 --> 01:58:25.279 her husband. The victim's husband is explaining who shot his wife? 2168 01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.560 And I didn't see it yet. I didn't. I didn't. 2169 01:58:30.760 --> 01:58:35.600 I didn't listen to it yet totally. But you're claiming, 2170 01:58:36.039 --> 01:58:42.920 you're claiming that in this video, he says. He detective Joe, 2171 01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:46.880 what does he say that exonerates you? 2172 01:58:49.079 --> 01:58:51.880 He says, where he's seen the killers, and he describes 2173 01:58:51.920 --> 01:58:52.600 what they look. 2174 01:58:52.600 --> 01:58:55.319 Like, but they were wearing masks. 2175 01:58:55.359 --> 01:59:01.439 Video, well, some there's some descriptive information about he gives. 2176 01:59:01.560 --> 01:59:04.880 He says, the shooter had long hair that of a 2177 01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:08.439 Caucasian or Mexican male, and I. 2178 01:59:08.359 --> 01:59:09.079 Don't have here. 2179 01:59:09.119 --> 01:59:12.399 I never had long hair until I came to prison. 2180 01:59:12.560 --> 01:59:14.279 But my hair is not of that texture. 2181 01:59:14.439 --> 01:59:17.680 Did any of the other did any of the other 2182 01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:20.520 suspects match the descriptions of the people? 2183 01:59:20.720 --> 01:59:23.279 No? No, no, their here is. 2184 01:59:23.399 --> 01:59:25.760 But how let me ask you this, how is it 2185 01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:29.199 that police arrests three wrong people? It just doesn't make 2186 01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:30.680 a lot of sense to me. 2187 01:59:32.279 --> 01:59:34.600 Well, we have to look back to the Central Park five. 2188 01:59:34.920 --> 01:59:38.159 That didn't make sense. But I mean they've restified black 2189 01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:39.720 males in that case. 2190 01:59:42.079 --> 01:59:43.520 Dragon, what Dragon? 2191 01:59:43.600 --> 01:59:46.199 I thought i'd heard that this gentleman in the video 2192 01:59:46.960 --> 01:59:49.960 was on the stand and was being asked. 2193 01:59:49.800 --> 01:59:52.199 And that's okay. That's another thing. So this guy that's 2194 01:59:52.239 --> 01:59:55.319 in the video, right, he also took the stand. He 2195 01:59:55.399 --> 01:59:56.840 also took the stand. 2196 01:59:56.600 --> 02:00:00.479 Right therec He testified, Well, then. 2197 02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:04.399 Why didn't on the stand? You got the wrong people 2198 02:00:04.439 --> 02:00:05.119 in custody? 2199 02:00:08.399 --> 02:00:11.319 I don't, I could He took a please Yeald. 2200 02:00:12.399 --> 02:00:14.159 Remember Detective hump. 2201 02:00:14.039 --> 02:00:15.760 Was facing drug charges himself. 2202 02:00:15.960 --> 02:00:18.760 Detective Humphrey of what he's trying to tell them, hold 2203 02:00:18.800 --> 02:00:22.479 on them. When he's trying to tell Detective Humphreys who 2204 02:00:22.520 --> 02:00:26.479 he thinks the killers are. They're so infatuated with already 2205 02:00:26.560 --> 02:00:30.399 investigating Sean. They say, we're not gonna turn this over 2206 02:00:31.399 --> 02:00:32.359 at the Sean. 2207 02:00:32.520 --> 02:00:35.560 Let me Sean. Let me ask you something. Sean, let 2208 02:00:35.560 --> 02:00:37.680 me ask you something. Are you Are you able to 2209 02:00:37.720 --> 02:00:39.079 get visitors where you are? 2210 02:00:40.760 --> 02:00:41.000 Yes? 2211 02:00:41.079 --> 02:00:44.640 I am so I could come and I would be 2212 02:00:44.640 --> 02:00:45.560 able to visit you. 2213 02:00:47.399 --> 02:00:49.439 Yes, if you get on my visit unless you can, 2214 02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:51.479 you can come and see me as you can. 2215 02:00:51.760 --> 02:00:54.640 That's encouraging in Sterling, Colorado, because I. 2216 02:00:54.560 --> 02:00:55.199 Could prove this. 2217 02:00:55.760 --> 02:00:58.560 It's just a beluminous case. Man, I need somebody there. 2218 02:00:58.600 --> 02:01:01.039 Sean, just wait a sayption, let me ask you something. 2219 02:01:01.159 --> 02:01:03.279 Do you know if they would allow you to take 2220 02:01:03.319 --> 02:01:05.880 a lie detector test? 2221 02:01:06.920 --> 02:01:08.880 I don't know if they would allow that here, but 2222 02:01:09.119 --> 02:01:10.920 I know they allow you to come and see me. 2223 02:01:11.319 --> 02:01:14.880 Okay, I can find out anyway. Do me a favor, 2224 02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:18.800 and uh, and make sure that I have your uncles 2225 02:01:18.840 --> 02:01:23.680 and it's your uncle the one on the phone with you, right, No, 2226 02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:27.439 it's my cousin, your cousin. Make sure your cousin, uh, Kachina. 2227 02:01:27.520 --> 02:01:32.119 Make sure I get this cousin's contact info. So, guys, 2228 02:01:32.159 --> 02:01:36.000 when you go to the website change dot org, you 2229 02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:41.399 you put in the search search for elements of a 2230 02:01:41.479 --> 02:01:47.000 Wrongful Conviction, and then go down to above the QR 2231 02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:52.279 code and click on the heading that says exculpatory evidence. 2232 02:01:52.319 --> 02:01:55.239 That'll bring you to a video where this guy's being 2233 02:01:55.279 --> 02:01:58.159 interviewed by the lead detective. Again, I don't have time 2234 02:01:58.199 --> 02:02:00.720 to do it right now, completely, I haven't it, but 2235 02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:05.279 according to Sean, that will point enough doubt to his guilt, 2236 02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:07.960 and it would have if they allowed it in court. 2237 02:02:08.039 --> 02:02:13.000 The problem is what I don't understand. Why would they 2238 02:02:13.039 --> 02:02:16.039 put this guy in the stand if he said in 2239 02:02:16.079 --> 02:02:18.880 the video you were the wrong people, And why didn't 2240 02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:20.920 he say that on the stand again. I have all 2241 02:02:20.920 --> 02:02:24.319 these questions, but I will look into it, I promise you, 2242 02:02:24.760 --> 02:02:27.520 and I can't promise I'm going to get your conviction overturned. 2243 02:02:27.600 --> 02:02:30.439 But as I said, I'm not gonna it's not gonna 2244 02:02:30.479 --> 02:02:35.359 be any harm looking into this now, Heather, I need 2245 02:02:35.359 --> 02:02:39.760 to talk to Heather. What kind of wrong medicine were 2246 02:02:39.800 --> 02:02:41.439 you given in the ambulance? 2247 02:02:42.640 --> 02:02:42.800 Hi? 2248 02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:43.439 Tom? 2249 02:02:43.720 --> 02:02:44.119 Was given? 2250 02:02:45.359 --> 02:02:49.560 Hi Tom? Hi? Hi? Now? Now when you say you 2251 02:02:49.560 --> 02:02:53.680 were given kenmine, were you in the ambulance voluntarily or 2252 02:02:53.720 --> 02:02:56.439 was this some kind of an arrest or some kind 2253 02:02:56.479 --> 02:02:58.920 of a drug thing or tell me what happened? 2254 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:03.560 No, so I had really bad cramps from my woman. 2255 02:03:04.279 --> 02:03:08.319 Yeah I'm and so I was hasn't ever given ketamine 2256 02:03:08.359 --> 02:03:09.359 in the whole you know? 2257 02:03:09.880 --> 02:03:11.279 It says I've had existence? 2258 02:03:11.439 --> 02:03:13.720 No, I got it. So you were having cramps and 2259 02:03:13.760 --> 02:03:15.680 called the called for an ambulance. 2260 02:03:16.640 --> 02:03:18.319 Yeah that's good. That's how bad they got. 2261 02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:21.359 But they never gave me payne medicine with ketymine. Hi Tom, 2262 02:03:21.359 --> 02:03:23.159 and I hope you're doing great and I miss. 2263 02:03:22.920 --> 02:03:23.439 You so much. 2264 02:03:24.399 --> 02:03:26.479 Okay, Now who am I? Who said that? 2265 02:03:28.800 --> 02:03:29.239 Who said? 2266 02:03:29.279 --> 02:03:31.039 What did you just say? Hi? 2267 02:03:31.159 --> 02:03:31.399 Tom? 2268 02:03:31.439 --> 02:03:32.399 I miss you? So much. 2269 02:03:33.359 --> 02:03:34.119 Yes, that was me. 2270 02:03:34.760 --> 02:03:37.600 Do I know you? Yes, you know me. 2271 02:03:37.680 --> 02:03:39.199 You helped me with my mom when she died. 2272 02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:46.560 Oh, I remember you. You were You were a mess, Heather, I. 2273 02:03:46.800 --> 02:03:48.119 Was, and now I'm doing really good. 2274 02:03:48.359 --> 02:03:50.479 All right, hold on, I'll come right Hold on, Heather, 2275 02:03:50.520 --> 02:03:57.079 I'll come right back to you. 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Anyway, aren't they supposed to 2287 02:04:43.039 --> 02:04:48.079 release tapes like this from witness interviews during discovery? I 2288 02:04:48.119 --> 02:04:50.840 have to the defense attorneys. I mean, when you think that's. 2289 02:04:50.680 --> 02:04:52.880 Where he's hung up on because he believes this tape 2290 02:04:52.920 --> 02:04:55.479 was withheld from evidence. I want to trying to get 2291 02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:56.159 on on pot. 2292 02:04:56.199 --> 02:04:59.760 I gotta ask Sean that real quick here, Sean, did 2293 02:05:00.239 --> 02:05:03.399 did your attorney have access to this video before they 2294 02:05:03.439 --> 02:05:09.439 went before you went to trial? Did Sean hang up? 2295 02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:12.800 He might have because we got his information. I you know, 2296 02:05:13.520 --> 02:05:16.960 it does sound really strange that. I mean, if this 2297 02:05:17.119 --> 02:05:20.279 videotape was never made available to defense, it would have 2298 02:05:20.359 --> 02:05:23.520 definitely it would have definitely led to defense to ask 2299 02:05:23.560 --> 02:05:27.119 other questions. I mean, this guy was talking about people 2300 02:05:28.079 --> 02:05:32.680 that he says he knew them from the mall and 2301 02:05:33.159 --> 02:05:36.920 other things. I mean, and this is the guy, this 2302 02:05:37.000 --> 02:05:41.840 is the victim's husband saying, oh yeah, this guy's got 2303 02:05:41.920 --> 02:05:44.640 hair like this, and it was like this, And I 2304 02:05:44.680 --> 02:05:47.439 saw them later on at the mall and they remembered 2305 02:05:47.439 --> 02:05:50.840 me from that night. They didn't have their mask on, 2306 02:05:50.920 --> 02:05:54.840 but I knew it was them, and he didn't indicate 2307 02:05:54.920 --> 02:05:57.800 they were the ones in custody. At this point, I'm 2308 02:05:57.800 --> 02:05:59.600 going to read I'm going to look at the rest 2309 02:05:59.600 --> 02:06:01.960 of the tape. But here's what I'm all I'm saying, 2310 02:06:02.039 --> 02:06:05.600 is this, if this tape was really done, I mean 2311 02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:08.560 not really it was done. If this tape was withheld 2312 02:06:08.760 --> 02:06:12.760 from discovery. I don't know how much prosecutors have to 2313 02:06:12.800 --> 02:06:15.920 give or police have to give to defense attorneys. I 2314 02:06:15.960 --> 02:06:18.800 really don't know criminal law either way. 2315 02:06:18.840 --> 02:06:22.319 That gentleman was on the stand and gave testimony there, Yeah, 2316 02:06:22.319 --> 02:06:22.760 but he's. 2317 02:06:22.600 --> 02:06:25.760 Not going to volunteer it. He can only answer questions. 2318 02:06:25.800 --> 02:06:29.039 But here's what I'm saying, Dragon, if this guy was 2319 02:06:29.119 --> 02:06:32.319 on the stand, the last thing I would ask him 2320 02:06:32.479 --> 02:06:35.680 is was my defendant there? I mean, was my guy there? 2321 02:06:35.760 --> 02:06:38.439 I mean, I wouldn't because you never ask a question 2322 02:06:38.479 --> 02:06:41.319 you don't know the answer to, right, So that's for sure. 2323 02:06:41.399 --> 02:06:46.720 So therefore, I wonder if the defense attorneys had access 2324 02:06:46.920 --> 02:06:50.520 to this tape. The other question is are they required 2325 02:06:50.560 --> 02:06:52.720 to have access to all evidence? I don't know. I 2326 02:06:53.199 --> 02:06:57.359 was always you know, from all the movies. I'm serious 2327 02:06:57.399 --> 02:06:59.560 when I say this. I don't know anything about criminal law. 2328 02:07:00.159 --> 02:07:03.199 I don't know what there are you supposed to turn 2329 02:07:03.239 --> 02:07:06.319 over all evidence. And if they did withhold this interview 2330 02:07:06.399 --> 02:07:10.279 because it didn't sound very good, I mean, is that 2331 02:07:10.359 --> 02:07:13.000 could be a problem. That's what I'm going to look into. 2332 02:07:13.560 --> 02:07:16.960 It's the only thing I can look into. Look I mean, obviously, 2333 02:07:17.800 --> 02:07:20.319 you know you can't just take his word. I wasn't there. 2334 02:07:21.359 --> 02:07:26.720 And anyway, Heather, your turn, Heather again. Now I know 2335 02:07:26.800 --> 02:07:28.880 Heather from years ago. I helped her out when her 2336 02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:31.800 mom died and she has since come a long way. 2337 02:07:31.840 --> 02:07:36.000 How and then you had some cramps. You called an 2338 02:07:36.039 --> 02:07:41.039 ambulance and I've never heard of people it must be 2339 02:07:41.119 --> 02:07:43.960 that bad. Have you ever had female cramps before that 2340 02:07:44.039 --> 02:07:44.640 were that bad? 2341 02:07:46.399 --> 02:07:46.680 Yeah? 2342 02:07:46.720 --> 02:07:48.119 But they never gave me ketamine? 2343 02:07:48.159 --> 02:07:50.479 Time wait wait, wait, wait, but I want to ask this. 2344 02:07:51.000 --> 02:07:53.520 You have had cramps where you called paramedics before? 2345 02:07:54.680 --> 02:07:56.640 Yeah? 2346 02:07:56.680 --> 02:07:59.479 So is this does this happen every every time you 2347 02:07:59.520 --> 02:08:02.199 get your peers or is this something special different? 2348 02:08:03.560 --> 02:08:05.279 Yeah, it happens every time. 2349 02:08:05.680 --> 02:08:07.319 Have you ever seen an obgyn? 2350 02:08:08.880 --> 02:08:11.279 Yes? I have a polycystic over ea syndrome. 2351 02:08:12.520 --> 02:08:14.720 Oh so you have a lot of cysts on your ovaries? 2352 02:08:15.880 --> 02:08:16.199 Yes? 2353 02:08:16.680 --> 02:08:19.239 I knew someone who had that and they they had 2354 02:08:19.279 --> 02:08:22.279 such terrible pain. One would burst now and then it 2355 02:08:22.279 --> 02:08:26.159 would it would send him to the stratosphere. So what 2356 02:08:26.159 --> 02:08:30.079 you're saying is you called paramedics, they came with an ambulance, 2357 02:08:30.760 --> 02:08:36.520 and how do you know they gave you ketamine because. 2358 02:08:36.039 --> 02:08:38.439 They said it when I was getting out of the 2359 02:08:38.479 --> 02:08:41.840 ambulance and they were transporting me into the emergency room 2360 02:08:41.880 --> 02:08:48.159 and he said, I'm administering eighteen something. I heard him 2361 02:08:48.159 --> 02:08:51.720 say eighteen point five something of ketamine, and he seemed 2362 02:08:51.720 --> 02:08:53.239 like he was kind of a new paramedic. 2363 02:08:53.279 --> 02:08:54.800 But the other one knew me already. 2364 02:08:55.319 --> 02:08:58.800 So once I hit the emergency room doors, I just 2365 02:08:58.840 --> 02:09:03.039 remember passing out, of course, because it was medicine and 2366 02:09:03.119 --> 02:09:03.479 an IV. 2367 02:09:03.760 --> 02:09:06.199 But Tom, I seen my mother even. 2368 02:09:06.880 --> 02:09:10.960 Okay, now, the crap out of Heather, Heather, hold on, Heather, 2369 02:09:11.079 --> 02:09:13.000 I know you trust me, so I just have to 2370 02:09:13.039 --> 02:09:15.239 say something. I'm going to say this upfront, so we 2371 02:09:15.640 --> 02:09:17.640 so I don't make you go through this whole story. 2372 02:09:18.159 --> 02:09:21.159 I want to just to say this. I want to say, 2373 02:09:21.159 --> 02:09:24.640 for argument's sake, you're correct. They gave you ketamine and 2374 02:09:24.680 --> 02:09:27.560 they thought that was appropriate for some reason, and it 2375 02:09:27.680 --> 02:09:31.520 wasn't and you had a terrible reaction. Were you permanently 2376 02:09:31.560 --> 02:09:32.239 injured from it? 2377 02:09:33.399 --> 02:09:33.640 Yes? 2378 02:09:34.079 --> 02:09:39.000 How my memory loss and my hands going them. 2379 02:09:38.760 --> 02:09:40.720 Now all the time, I can't even work as a 2380 02:09:40.720 --> 02:09:43.560 mechanic like I have for twenty one years. 2381 02:09:44.319 --> 02:09:49.680 You're saying that one administration of ketamine destroyed your hands, 2382 02:09:50.960 --> 02:09:52.000 It destroyed my life. 2383 02:09:52.000 --> 02:09:52.840 Oft hit scared the. 2384 02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:54.760 Crap out of me. Makes Yeah, But Heather, I don't 2385 02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:57.760 know if that can happen. I don't know if anyone 2386 02:09:57.920 --> 02:10:01.079 in the world would ever take a case like this. 2387 02:10:02.560 --> 02:10:05.439 And first of all, it wouldn't be malpracticed because it's 2388 02:10:05.479 --> 02:10:08.199 not outside of the standard of care. Okay, it's not. 2389 02:10:10.960 --> 02:10:13.479 Let me explain what outside the standard of care would 2390 02:10:13.520 --> 02:10:17.560 be giving you. I don't know, candy cane or something. 2391 02:10:17.960 --> 02:10:21.680 What I'm saying is is that ketamine is not unheard 2392 02:10:21.720 --> 02:10:25.079 of in these situations. And if it was a tool 2393 02:10:25.239 --> 02:10:29.000 in their arsenal and a doctor said try ketamine, or 2394 02:10:29.119 --> 02:10:32.960 they radioed the doctor said this whatever, and you happen 2395 02:10:33.039 --> 02:10:36.920 to be someone who reacted badly to it, they aren't. 2396 02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:41.359 That is not negligent. That is not necessarily malpractice. I 2397 02:10:41.359 --> 02:10:44.399 shouldn't say it's not negligent. I don't know, and no 2398 02:10:44.439 --> 02:10:46.800 one would know unless you really explore it. But all 2399 02:10:46.840 --> 02:10:50.399 I'm saying is this, in addition to not only do 2400 02:10:50.479 --> 02:10:54.079 you have to have someone acting wrong or outside the 2401 02:10:54.119 --> 02:10:57.399 standard of care, there also has to be some kind 2402 02:10:57.439 --> 02:10:59.800 of lasting damage. You're trying to make the case there is, 2403 02:11:00.439 --> 02:11:04.560 But nowhere anywhere, anywhere have I seen one dose of 2404 02:11:04.640 --> 02:11:08.319 ketamine that could cause this damage. So did a doctor 2405 02:11:08.439 --> 02:11:11.880 ever tell you that one dose of ketamine could do 2406 02:11:11.960 --> 02:11:18.079 this to you? No, that's another element you need to 2407 02:11:18.159 --> 02:11:22.319 take action. You need a doctor to confirm that what 2408 02:11:22.359 --> 02:11:26.359 they did cause this or could cause it. Uh, Heather, 2409 02:11:26.760 --> 02:11:32.680 it could be that you're just having a terrible psychological 2410 02:11:32.720 --> 02:11:37.680 reaction to this and it's affecting you. It's not necessarily 2411 02:11:39.159 --> 02:11:42.239 something wrong with you physically. Is that possible? 2412 02:11:43.800 --> 02:11:45.199 Yes, I understand. 2413 02:11:46.239 --> 02:11:50.760 So how long ago did this happen, Heather? Two weeks 2414 02:11:50.800 --> 02:11:57.039 ago and you hallucinated and saw your mom there are 2415 02:11:57.880 --> 02:12:00.479 uh huh did you talk to her? 2416 02:12:01.199 --> 02:12:04.439 I don't remember. I just remember being like I died 2417 02:12:04.520 --> 02:12:04.800 and I. 2418 02:12:04.800 --> 02:12:07.279 Seen Yeah, so that's what it felt like. Did you 2419 02:12:07.319 --> 02:12:12.680 have Did you have nightmares after that? After that? Right now? 2420 02:12:12.680 --> 02:12:15.159 Do you have nightmares about it? Yes? 2421 02:12:15.479 --> 02:12:17.960 I can't sleep because my hands always go numb. Now, 2422 02:12:18.720 --> 02:12:20.640 so I was like, I got to call my friend Tom. 2423 02:12:21.319 --> 02:12:24.680 But do you think have you seen any doctors that 2424 02:12:25.640 --> 02:12:28.680 about your hands going numb? No? 2425 02:12:29.199 --> 02:12:31.479 I haven't yet. But I had to let go of 2426 02:12:31.520 --> 02:12:35.359 my job and I I remember that day that I 2427 02:12:35.399 --> 02:12:37.680 had got to Ketemy and I stayed in the emergency 2428 02:12:37.760 --> 02:12:40.640 room for four hours, and the doctor wanted to give 2429 02:12:40.640 --> 02:12:42.960 me more medicine for pain, and I said, no, I'm 2430 02:12:42.960 --> 02:12:45.479 not comfortable with it. It's still coming off. And then 2431 02:12:46.119 --> 02:12:48.159 no one came back to it removed my IV. So 2432 02:12:48.199 --> 02:12:50.680 I've removed it my damn self. I said, you guys 2433 02:12:50.680 --> 02:12:53.680 haven't given you warning. I'm gonna leave and if no 2434 02:12:53.720 --> 02:12:55.920 one comes in here, I'm me taking with out myself. 2435 02:12:57.319 --> 02:13:00.239 Came let me ask you do you have tingling your 2436 02:13:00.279 --> 02:13:02.439 feet and legs as well or just your hands? 2437 02:13:03.159 --> 02:13:04.720 No, just my hands? 2438 02:13:05.239 --> 02:13:09.239 And do they go how often do they go numb? 2439 02:13:10.319 --> 02:13:14.039 And I got every ten minutes. 2440 02:13:14.880 --> 02:13:16.479 And this wasn't happening before. 2441 02:13:17.680 --> 02:13:20.640 No, because I was working as a mechanic members at 2442 02:13:20.800 --> 02:13:22.399 twenty one years. 2443 02:13:22.199 --> 02:13:23.680 And you can't do that anymore. 2444 02:13:24.720 --> 02:13:28.239 You can't do it anymore. I just remove my interurt. 2445 02:13:28.279 --> 02:13:31.079 I can't even put my injury back together to my hands. 2446 02:13:31.239 --> 02:13:34.479 Heather, I want to Heather, hold on. I want to 2447 02:13:34.520 --> 02:13:37.520 try to get somebody on to talk about this. Tomorrow. 2448 02:13:38.079 --> 02:13:41.880 It's too late to get someone on now. Hey, Kachina, 2449 02:13:41.920 --> 02:13:44.840 can you make sure we have Heather's information? Please? Heather. 2450 02:13:44.920 --> 02:13:47.039 The reason I want to get your information, I'd rather 2451 02:13:47.039 --> 02:13:48.840 get an expert on rather than try to be an 2452 02:13:48.840 --> 02:13:51.600 expert on this. I doubt ketamine could have done that 2453 02:13:51.640 --> 02:13:54.079 to you, But we'll ask some people and then we'll 2454 02:13:54.199 --> 02:13:56.760 maybe Deputy Doc has some people we can ask, or 2455 02:13:56.960 --> 02:13:57.760 maybe he knows. 2456 02:13:58.199 --> 02:14:02.079 And he also give me a horse lizer, like, what 2457 02:14:02.079 --> 02:14:03.800 are you doing well? 2458 02:14:04.079 --> 02:14:07.640 Jesus listen, ketamine has been used for a long time. 2459 02:14:07.640 --> 02:14:10.000 It just hasn't been in the news. It's been used 2460 02:14:10.039 --> 02:14:10.720 a long time. 2461 02:14:11.840 --> 02:14:15.880 Used any of this medicine before, No, like the medicine 2462 02:14:15.880 --> 02:14:20.319 in the book, but this one. You know why now, don't. 2463 02:14:20.479 --> 02:14:23.199 I don't know if someone can have sensitivity to ketamine 2464 02:14:23.239 --> 02:14:25.920 that would give them permanent damage to their nerves in 2465 02:14:25.960 --> 02:14:28.760 their hands or something. When your hands go numb, do 2466 02:14:28.840 --> 02:14:30.840 you get any kind of tingling and the rest of 2467 02:14:30.880 --> 02:14:31.520 your arms? 2468 02:14:33.520 --> 02:14:35.720 A little bit just on my wrist part. But see, 2469 02:14:35.720 --> 02:14:37.880 I mean it's probably from working as a mechanic for 2470 02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:41.279 all this time. I don't know. I don't know. I 2471 02:14:41.319 --> 02:14:44.039 just wanted to. I know that the ketamine killed that kid, 2472 02:14:44.399 --> 02:14:45.279 and I know that it's. 2473 02:14:45.119 --> 02:14:47.680 A old I understand, but it doesn't it's not what 2474 02:14:47.720 --> 02:14:49.880 you think. I mean. I'm not saying ketamine should be 2475 02:14:49.920 --> 02:14:54.199 taken Willy Nilly but it's it's not a drug that 2476 02:14:54.319 --> 02:14:57.199 stays with you. It really isn't hold on a sec 2477 02:14:57.800 --> 02:14:59.960 h kitchina. Let's get her on tomorrow and try to 2478 02:15:00.079 --> 02:15:02.520 get an expert. I'm Tom Martino. We got more coming up. 2479 02:15:06.960 --> 02:15:10.239 Go with a sure thing Denver's Best roofer Excel Roofing 2480 02:15:10.359 --> 02:15:13.000 dot com. You don't pay a cent until you're content. 2481 02:15:16.359 --> 02:15:19.560 Time for an insurance checkup free, no obligation. In comparison, 2482 02:15:19.680 --> 02:15:23.239 call Compass Insurance paying too much your coverage at dozens 2483 02:15:23.239 --> 02:15:25.960 of insurance companies find out now three all three seven 2484 02:15:26.079 --> 02:15:28.880 seven to one. Help. You'll think you're his only customer 2485 02:15:28.920 --> 02:15:31.199 when you choose Frank durand the real estate Man dot 2486 02:15:31.199 --> 02:15:34.520 com to list your home with Remax Alliance three all 2487 02:15:34.560 --> 02:15:39.920 three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. Hi Tom Martine 2488 02:15:40.000 --> 02:15:42.880 here by the way, STS transpert. We had that story. 2489 02:15:43.000 --> 02:15:46.119 We did that thing yesterday about moving and storage and 2490 02:15:46.439 --> 02:15:49.319 how that guy's stuff was didn't arrive, I must say, 2491 02:15:49.520 --> 02:15:52.520 and I'll get into it tomorrow. But Scott Severs, the 2492 02:15:52.520 --> 02:15:57.159 owner up there. I wrote to Jimmy so to speak, 2493 02:15:57.199 --> 02:16:00.840 but I got a response from Scott saying We're taking 2494 02:16:00.880 --> 02:16:02.560 care of this. That's what I want to tell you, 2495 02:16:02.600 --> 02:16:04.439 and he says, we're going to be We're going to be. 2496 02:16:04.640 --> 02:16:06.600 We're going to be running a few days late, but 2497 02:16:06.640 --> 02:16:08.720 we're going to do it. I will get more into 2498 02:16:08.720 --> 02:16:12.399 this tomorrow because I don't have time, but I did 2499 02:16:12.439 --> 02:16:15.520 want to say I did hear from him sts transport 2500 02:16:15.560 --> 02:16:18.760 we had on yesterday, and we're very upset they weren't 2501 02:16:18.800 --> 02:16:23.119 talking about the problem. By the way, I also want 2502 02:16:23.159 --> 02:16:26.880 to talk about our real estate guests today. So Frank 2503 02:16:26.920 --> 02:16:30.279 Dran the realestate man dot Com and both Stephanie'll you'll 2504 02:16:30.279 --> 02:16:32.440 talk to people, whether they want a list or not, 2505 02:16:32.559 --> 02:16:34.159 just about what they can get for the house, what 2506 02:16:34.200 --> 02:16:36.159 they'll get on the market. Frank, you do a complete 2507 02:16:36.200 --> 02:16:39.719 analysis in writing on what they can do. Most definitely, 2508 02:16:39.799 --> 02:16:41.879 I visit the property, walk through the property. We even 2509 02:16:41.920 --> 02:16:43.680 do a zoom with him. So we talked through the 2510 02:16:43.680 --> 02:16:46.159 whole process. Tom Now, Stephanie, I asked you, how long 2511 02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:48.280 does it take you to get a house on the market, 2512 02:16:48.719 --> 02:16:50.239 to do it and do it well? 2513 02:16:50.280 --> 02:16:52.440 I would say a good week, and it's it's really 2514 02:16:52.440 --> 02:16:54.760 photographer availability and a little bit of prep. 2515 02:16:54.879 --> 02:16:57.600 Do you do videos too? I do? Okay, Frank, how long? 2516 02:16:57.680 --> 02:16:59.360 Same thing, same thing? Absolutely? 2517 02:16:59.479 --> 02:17:01.680 Yeah, yeah, we want to get all the best shots. 2518 02:17:01.719 --> 02:17:06.920 And does it cost homeowners anything? Does it cost somebody 2519 02:17:06.920 --> 02:17:09.159 wants to know does it cost to put a house 2520 02:17:09.200 --> 02:17:09.799 on the market. 2521 02:17:10.079 --> 02:17:12.559 We build it into our price and we only get 2522 02:17:12.559 --> 02:17:15.280 paid upon closing, so we work up to you. 2523 02:17:15.319 --> 02:17:18.040 Never asked for reimbursement if anything ever happens, Never have, 2524 02:17:18.159 --> 02:17:19.559 never will Steph same. 2525 02:17:19.760 --> 02:17:22.680 You know same. I My whole goal is to sell 2526 02:17:22.719 --> 02:17:24.239 the house, so I work to sell it. 2527 02:17:24.280 --> 02:17:27.520 Right, okay, guys, Frank Thrand the real estate Man dot 2528 02:17:27.559 --> 02:17:31.200 com three oh three nine two zero sixteen twenty two, 2529 02:17:31.799 --> 02:17:35.040 and then Stephanie's website seventy Thomas in the Spring, Stephanie 2530 02:17:35.520 --> 02:17:40.600 r e dot com and seven to zero two six 2531 02:17:40.719 --> 02:17:44.360 zero zero nine one eight. I'm Tom Martino. Don't forget 2532 02:17:44.360 --> 02:17:47.200 to call three oh three Martino for help, information and referral. 2533 02:17:47.239 --> 02:17:48.799 Save all your problems for me.