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Speaker 2: Well, welcome everybody to the Gary and Shannon Show Gas
Speaker 2: Weekend Fix. This is the extra podcast segment that you
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Speaker 1: Do you have to have your hand down your pants?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know, it's the weekend. It's awful.
Speaker 2: You're painting a very bad mental picture for people.
Speaker 3: So funny that you didn't.
Speaker 2: Everybody else in the room knows my hands are up here.
Speaker 1: It's so funny that you didn't grow up around boys
Speaker 1: that did that. Like I feel like I grew up
Speaker 1: around boys that adjusted.
Speaker 4: I'm saying I don't adjust.
Speaker 2: I just know how to read the room and determine
Speaker 2: when is in appropriate time.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess I.
Speaker 1: Was read as a dude from go because well, I
Speaker 1: was not afforded the lady. Yes, the lady things that
Speaker 1: you afford at.
Speaker 2: Times, you you give dude, But there are also times
Speaker 2: when dudes don't give a They don't give a shit
Speaker 2: about who's around or who's saying anything.
Speaker 3: He said, he said a bad word.
Speaker 2: Right away market They just don't care. I mean, we
Speaker 2: know people like that. They don't care, they don't they
Speaker 2: don't see you as anything different. They it's not that
Speaker 2: they see you as a dude. I appreciate it also
Speaker 2: going to reach down and adjust.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I appreciate it, especially with football season. I
Speaker 1: appreciate just being one of the dudes. There's somebody on
Speaker 1: this floor, by the way who uh continues to do
Speaker 1: that as an adult in the building. You know, we'll
Speaker 1: just be uh working and he'll just have his hands
Speaker 1: squarely down there.
Speaker 3: Just live in its life living.
Speaker 1: It's resting there, not even like faking an adjustment, just
Speaker 1: like my hand is down my pants and that's comfortable
Speaker 1: for me, and that's fine for him, And like I
Speaker 1: love that, and I love it he's that comfortable around
Speaker 1: everyone here to.
Speaker 5: Just and then sometimes to have you need to have
Speaker 5: genital touching to be comfortable little. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you don't have to do that with your hands, I mean,
Speaker 5: your mining of.
Speaker 4: It is just as disturbing as if he were to
Speaker 4: walk in here with his hand and his joke.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like hand on genitals direct contact.
Speaker 1: There's proba be underwear involved, but I mean it's warm
Speaker 1: your hand's warm, you know, and I get that might
Speaker 1: be cold.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: You very often goes the other way.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're gonna warm your.
Speaker 1: Hands, now you feel like you've just got fire between
Speaker 1: your legs.
Speaker 4: Fire is quite Uh, there was a time I had
Speaker 4: a shot.
Speaker 3: My god, I have to talk to you.
Speaker 2: But if you're if you're cold, if you're out in
Speaker 2: the wilderness, yeah, that's one of the things you can
Speaker 2: do to warm your.
Speaker 3: Hands, put them in your genitals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you're uncomfortable because then you have everything
Speaker 2: else gets cold. But I mean that's a warmer spot
Speaker 2: of your body.
Speaker 4: Just like.
Speaker 1: My genitals are not warm like your genitals are. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think that would.
Speaker 2: Work, Yes, it would. It's just an area where your
Speaker 2: body comes together.
Speaker 3: I want to try it so bad, but I won't.
Speaker 4: I'll look the other way. Go ahead, turned around.
Speaker 3: No, because I've done the armpit thing and that totally works.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: You have a thermometer in your purse or anything.
Speaker 1: That lent itself to so many jokes. So this diddy
Speaker 1: thing speaking of thermotors, Yeah, I find it interesting and
Speaker 1: I want your opinion on this. Where do you think
Speaker 1: it is our responsibility to talk about the details of
Speaker 1: this case.
Speaker 4: It's obviously people in the media like, yeah, like we have.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the story on the air. We've talked
Speaker 1: about the case, but we haven't had the conversation off
Speaker 1: the air like most journalists would do when they talk
Speaker 1: in this voice.
Speaker 3: It's very serious, yes, and you.
Speaker 1: Know the what responsibility do we really have as broadcasters
Speaker 1: to get into the details of this case? Is it
Speaker 1: for good for the public benefit?
Speaker 3: No? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it helping us understand the legal system better?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Like? What benefit does it give anybody for us to
Speaker 1: talk about the details and the relationship between Diddy and
Speaker 1: his ex girlfriend who obviously there was abuse, whether it
Speaker 1: was consensual abuse or not, that is the question on
Speaker 1: the table. But why are we getting into those details?
Speaker 1: It makes me feel a little dirty because I think
Speaker 1: that we're better than that, Like if we can be
Speaker 1: entertaining without talking about the details of this trial.
Speaker 2: Three reasons now that thank you for asking a long question,
Speaker 2: because it gave me time to come up with three
Speaker 2: reasons why I think, and I would put a percentage
Speaker 2: on each one of them.
Speaker 4: I would say that.
Speaker 2: Seventy percent of what we would talk about is important
Speaker 2: because it is a realization that there are awful, awful
Speaker 2: people out there, and even celebrities that are held up
Speaker 2: as these ridiculously creative, well meaning, charitable entrepreneurs can be
Speaker 2: awful monsters at their core. I mean the stuff that
Speaker 2: is that Diddy is accused of and other people that
Speaker 2: we've seen, but the stuff that Diddy's accused of show
Speaker 2: that that guy behind closed doors is a monster in
Speaker 2: my opinion. So that's the seventy percent of why we
Speaker 2: would talk about the stuff that we would talk about,
Speaker 2: as as gross as it is or as titillating as
Speaker 2: it is, whatever, there's twenty percent of it that is
Speaker 2: like a cautionary tale, not just the yeah, he's a
Speaker 2: bad guy, but hey, here are some signs for you
Speaker 2: to look at in your own relationships with people that
Speaker 2: you may look up to that may be taking advantage
Speaker 2: of you or may go down that road. And then
Speaker 2: there is a there is a little bit and in
Speaker 2: all honesty tearing, the pulling the curtain bag, there's about
Speaker 2: a ten percent reason that that it's just purient, per
Speaker 2: pur purient interest that people want to know those solations
Speaker 2: they may tell you like and we get comments like,
Speaker 2: you guys, it's too you guys go too far with that,
Speaker 2: or it's too gross, or it's this, or it's that,
Speaker 2: or you know, don't do the don't do the death
Speaker 2: and miss dismemberment stories when you guys do True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 4: But people listen to that.
Speaker 2: And I'll, in all honesty, I'm not saying that we
Speaker 2: say these things or the we get into the nitty
Speaker 2: gritty details because we know people listen to them.
Speaker 4: It's just a fact of humanity.
Speaker 2: Well, there's something in our in our brains, way down
Speaker 2: in the lizard part of it now that we want
Speaker 2: to we want to hear the I mean it's gross,
Speaker 2: we will stick around to hear the details.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: You've made me feel better with your three pronged response.
Speaker 1: Why because I did feel like we were just using
Speaker 1: this awful stuff as entertainment. But but you're right, I
Speaker 1: mean to the first prong of your argument. It's kind
Speaker 1: of the Kanye rule. Years ago. We have a dear
Speaker 1: friend of ours who loves Kanye, thinks he's a genius,
Speaker 1: and he is.
Speaker 3: I mean he is.
Speaker 1: He's a creative you cannot argue that. But he's also
Speaker 1: a crazy pants person, insane to the detriment of people
Speaker 1: around him and people who aren't even that close around him.
Speaker 3: And he's we're all imperfect. He's gone through some stuff.
Speaker 3: Mom died.
Speaker 1: They're still dealing with that. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: he named that next album after her. She didn't ask
Speaker 1: for that, right, But like it's the Kanye role, right,
Speaker 1: And like most says it all the time, we don't
Speaker 1: know these people, we don't listen, and it's dangerous in
Speaker 1: this country, in every country. Really, it's just a human
Speaker 1: thing where we have heroes, and our heroes all too
Speaker 1: often are celebrities or sports figures. And again, they should
Speaker 1: not be given hero status because they're good at their craft,
Speaker 1: whatever that might be, because you don't know them. On
Speaker 1: the flip side, you don't know their personal relationships, you
Speaker 1: don't know what they're like in real life.
Speaker 2: They're all human, that's the part, the human part of it.
Speaker 2: Like we like to say that the heroes that we
Speaker 2: have in our hearts or our minds or whatever are
Speaker 2: lifted up on this pedestal and they can do no wrong.
Speaker 4: They've all done wrong.
Speaker 2: Every single one of them has done something that would
Speaker 2: probably embarrass them and make you like them life, and.
Speaker 1: How much of a role have we played in them
Speaker 1: being monsters? I mean, if you were constantly bombarded with
Speaker 1: the highlight reel that is Gary Hoffman, you two might
Speaker 1: turn into a monster or a monster adjacent. If you
Speaker 1: were constantly confronted with people pointing out your positive attributes,
Speaker 1: if you came in glad that you don't do that,
Speaker 1: I do the opposite for you. For you because I
Speaker 1: care about you. That's why I crap on you that
Speaker 1: it sounded like a freak off.
Speaker 4: I have to pay extra.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that, but.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you have.
Speaker 3: Using healthy boundaries.
Speaker 1: I'm learning from the Cassi Venturas story that that is
Speaker 1: a red flag one of them. No, but that not
Speaker 1: that that was involved in their story up until this
Speaker 1: point that we know. But honestly, like if you were
Speaker 1: confronted every day with like Gary Hoffman, you're you're so great,
Speaker 1: and you had people around you telling you're great, and
Speaker 1: you're constantly bombarded with alerts and texts like oh, you
Speaker 1: just won this award. You just you just you just
Speaker 1: made another two point one million dollars, Like everyone loves you,
Speaker 1: everyone loves you. You're needed here they want to see
Speaker 1: you here, you would become a freaking monster. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's a very hard thing for human beings to
Speaker 1: get that kind of adulation constantly and stay sane.
Speaker 3: How could you? I couldn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if I wonder if that's a societal thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but I mean the animal part of a
Speaker 2: society where no group wants one person to be elevated
Speaker 2: too high.
Speaker 3: But we do that to people all the time.
Speaker 4: But then we tear them down. Yeah, I mean that,
Speaker 4: like if.
Speaker 1: We lift them up just to tear them down, because
Speaker 1: we're monsters as well.
Speaker 2: Maybe not the greatest example, but look at Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is a guy who a lot of people
Speaker 2: in this country want to just put on a pedestal.
Speaker 4: He can do no wrong.
Speaker 2: There's another segment of the population that thinks that guy's
Speaker 2: a monster and needs to be shown how much and
Speaker 2: everybody else needs to see how much of a monster
Speaker 2: he is, so they'll constantly talk about him in negative ways,
Speaker 2: whatever whatever that might be. And again, that's not necessarily
Speaker 2: the greatest example, but we as I I don't think
Speaker 2: it's a particularly American thing. I think it's a human
Speaker 2: thing where you reach a certain level of celebrity, and
Speaker 2: people want to find the cracks in your armor.
Speaker 4: They want to find.
Speaker 2: That little chink in the army that they can they can,
Speaker 2: you know, poke their finger into and make wider and
Speaker 2: tear it open and bring you down.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that makes them element.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of celebrities that have not succumbed to that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: That that that that we don't want to tear down.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about females, thinking about like Dolly Parton. Everyone
Speaker 1: loves Dolly, Selena cut down in her prime, but everyone
Speaker 1: loves Selena. I don't see anybody going after these people
Speaker 1: chair females, let's see.
Speaker 2: I wonder if that is also an aspect of it,
Speaker 2: that it's a particular like that.
Speaker 3: But they've never given us a reason to tear them down.
Speaker 4: Blake Lively, on the other hand.
Speaker 3: She's a bitch, okay, obvious, but we don't know. I
Speaker 3: think I know that.
Speaker 1: I mean watching just interviews with her, and now I
Speaker 1: watch her movies and I'm like, she's a bitch in
Speaker 1: her movies too.
Speaker 3: She's just a bitch. I mean some of that.
Speaker 1: You can't act your way through your personality bleeds through
Speaker 1: and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I guess that's true. I just don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know culturally if that's a thing
Speaker 2: an aspect of other Like do Japanese Does Japanese society
Speaker 2: allow for people to be raised to a certain level,
Speaker 2: they become a certain celebrity.
Speaker 1: That's every Korean drama, every Korean drama, there's people lifted
Speaker 1: up as the family dynasty and then they're torn down
Speaker 1: really really dramatic and emotional.
Speaker 3: Sounds like you are you great entertainment.
Speaker 4: Your eyes welled up a little bit when you said that.
Speaker 3: You know, have you seen the Goblin yet?
Speaker 4: The what?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: You don't that a horror movie?
Speaker 3: No, it's a Korean drama.
Speaker 4: I have not seen that.
Speaker 3: Anyway.
Speaker 1: I just think that we're part of the problem. We
Speaker 1: may be going back to my original thought of us
Speaker 1: of talking about this trial and giving it more oxygen.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you're right.
Speaker 1: I do like the idea that we are telling people
Speaker 1: like just because you love Ditty or whatever doesn't mean
Speaker 1: he's a great person you love his work. Just because
Speaker 1: you love so and So's work doesn't mean you love them.
Speaker 2: A great example that that you could also say, is
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, I mean, unarguably one of the greatest pop
Speaker 2: musicians right ever in the history of I mean, the
Speaker 2: king of pop, that's why they call him that, but
Speaker 2: had a dark, broken humanity to him that.
Speaker 3: Through no fault of his own.
Speaker 4: I believe. Well.
Speaker 2: I mean, you become an adult, there are certain things
Speaker 2: that you do that you know are wrong.
Speaker 3: We don't know that that happened.
Speaker 4: Okay, listen, I was about to call you a name.
Speaker 4: We don't know someone who is a just we don't know.
Speaker 3: But like, look at that. You don't know. You don't
Speaker 3: know what it's like to grow up like he did.
Speaker 4: Well, then how do we know what Sean Combs is?
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: This is my point being there's an acknowledgment that people,
Speaker 2: as great as they may be, in one aspect of
Speaker 2: their life.
Speaker 4: I don't think production or whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean, we don't need to re litigate this.
Speaker 1: But I don't think Michael Jackson had the emotional IQ
Speaker 1: to know as an adult that what he was doing
Speaker 1: was wrong. I don't think he ever achieved adulthood.
Speaker 3: I think did he did.
Speaker 2: Ritney Spears Britney Spears is a contemporary example never reached adulthood, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's I mean, that's an absolute tragedy because of
Speaker 2: I mean you see in her behavior. You're now she's
Speaker 2: not hurting people outside of her own kids maybe or
Speaker 2: just through neglect, but making an accusation.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Anything about how much time she's spending with her kids,
Speaker 2: but that kind of lack of maturity because of and
Speaker 2: like what you said, that lack of maturity based on
Speaker 2: you're bombarded with headlines and stories and accolades your entire life.
Speaker 4: You don't know how to deal with.
Speaker 1: Doing this with you and see what the result is.
Speaker 1: Do you end up in a room with a bunch
Speaker 1: of baby oil doing weird adult theater?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm going to start it though on Monday.
Speaker 4: I do have a question. Yeah, how much is too.
Speaker 3: Much baby oil? Well? What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's I mean, never mind, can we turn this off?
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