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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 2>Well, welcome everybody to the Gary and Shannon Show Gas

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<v Speaker 2>Weekend Fix. This is the extra podcast segment that you

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<v Speaker 2>get every weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to have your hand down your pants?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know, it's the weekend. It's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>You're painting a very bad mental picture for people.

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<v Speaker 3>So funny that you didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody else in the room knows my hands are up here.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny that you didn't grow up around boys

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<v Speaker 1>that did that. Like I feel like I grew up

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<v Speaker 1>around boys that adjusted.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm saying I don't adjust.

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<v Speaker 2>I just know how to read the room and determine

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<v Speaker 2>when is in appropriate time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was read as a dude from go because well, I

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<v Speaker 1>was not afforded the lady. Yes, the lady things that

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<v Speaker 1>you afford at.

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<v Speaker 2>Times, you you give dude, But there are also times

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<v Speaker 2>when dudes don't give a They don't give a shit

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<v Speaker 2>about who's around or who's saying anything.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, he said a bad word.

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<v Speaker 2>Right away market They just don't care. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>know people like that. They don't care, they don't they

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<v Speaker 2>don't see you as anything different. They it's not that

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<v Speaker 2>they see you as a dude. I appreciate it also

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<v Speaker 2>going to reach down and adjust.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I appreciate it, especially with football season. I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate just being one of the dudes. There's somebody on

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<v Speaker 1>this floor, by the way who uh continues to do

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<v Speaker 1>that as an adult in the building. You know, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just be uh working and he'll just have his hands

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<v Speaker 1>squarely down there.

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<v Speaker 3>Just live in its life living.

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<v Speaker 1>It's resting there, not even like faking an adjustment, just

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<v Speaker 1>like my hand is down my pants and that's comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>for me, and that's fine for him, And like I

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<v Speaker 1>love that, and I love it he's that comfortable around

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<v Speaker 1>everyone here to.

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<v Speaker 5>Just and then sometimes to have you need to have

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<v Speaker 5>genital touching to be comfortable little. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 5>you don't have to do that with your hands, I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>your mining of.

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<v Speaker 4>It is just as disturbing as if he were to

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<v Speaker 4>walk in here with his hand and his joke.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's like hand on genitals direct contact.

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<v Speaker 1>There's proba be underwear involved, but I mean it's warm

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<v Speaker 1>your hand's warm, you know, and I get that might

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<v Speaker 1>be cold.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>You very often goes the other way.

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<v Speaker 3>Really.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if you're gonna warm your.

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<v Speaker 1>Hands, now you feel like you've just got fire between

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<v Speaker 1>your legs.

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<v Speaker 4>Fire is quite Uh, there was a time I had

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<v Speaker 4>a shot.

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<v Speaker 3>My god, I have to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're if you're cold, if you're out in

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<v Speaker 2>the wilderness, yeah, that's one of the things you can

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<v Speaker 2>do to warm your.

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<v Speaker 3>Hands, put them in your genitals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then you're uncomfortable because then you have everything

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<v Speaker 2>else gets cold. But I mean that's a warmer spot

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<v Speaker 2>of your body.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like.

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<v Speaker 1>My genitals are not warm like your genitals are. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that would.

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<v Speaker 2>Work, Yes, it would. It's just an area where your

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<v Speaker 2>body comes together.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to try it so bad, but I won't.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll look the other way. Go ahead, turned around.

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<v Speaker 3>No, because I've done the armpit thing and that totally works.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 4>You have a thermometer in your purse or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>That lent itself to so many jokes. So this diddy

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<v Speaker 1>thing speaking of thermotors, Yeah, I find it interesting and

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<v Speaker 1>I want your opinion on this. Where do you think

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<v Speaker 1>it is our responsibility to talk about the details of

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<v Speaker 1>this case.

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<v Speaker 4>It's obviously people in the media like, yeah, like we have.

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<v Speaker 1>We've talked about the story on the air. We've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the case, but we haven't had the conversation off

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<v Speaker 1>the air like most journalists would do when they talk

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<v Speaker 1>in this voice.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very serious, yes, and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know the what responsibility do we really have as broadcasters

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<v Speaker 1>to get into the details of this case? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>for good for the public benefit?

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<v Speaker 3>No? Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it helping us understand the legal system better?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Like? What benefit does it give anybody for us to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the details and the relationship between Diddy and

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<v Speaker 1>his ex girlfriend who obviously there was abuse, whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was consensual abuse or not, that is the question on

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<v Speaker 1>the table. But why are we getting into those details?

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<v Speaker 1>It makes me feel a little dirty because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that we're better than that, Like if we can be

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<v Speaker 1>entertaining without talking about the details of this trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Three reasons now that thank you for asking a long question,

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<v Speaker 2>because it gave me time to come up with three

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why I think, and I would put a percentage

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<v Speaker 2>on each one of them.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Seventy percent of what we would talk about is important

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<v Speaker 2>because it is a realization that there are awful, awful

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<v Speaker 2>people out there, and even celebrities that are held up

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<v Speaker 2>as these ridiculously creative, well meaning, charitable entrepreneurs can be

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<v Speaker 2>awful monsters at their core. I mean the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>is that Diddy is accused of and other people that

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen, but the stuff that Diddy's accused of show

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<v Speaker 2>that that guy behind closed doors is a monster in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion. So that's the seventy percent of why we

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<v Speaker 2>would talk about the stuff that we would talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>as as gross as it is or as titillating as

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<v Speaker 2>it is, whatever, there's twenty percent of it that is

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<v Speaker 2>like a cautionary tale, not just the yeah, he's a

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<v Speaker 2>bad guy, but hey, here are some signs for you

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<v Speaker 2>to look at in your own relationships with people that

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<v Speaker 2>you may look up to that may be taking advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of you or may go down that road. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there is a there is a little bit and in

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<v Speaker 2>all honesty tearing, the pulling the curtain bag, there's about

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<v Speaker 2>a ten percent reason that that it's just purient, per

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<v Speaker 2>pur purient interest that people want to know those solations

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<v Speaker 2>they may tell you like and we get comments like,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, it's too you guys go too far with that,

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<v Speaker 2>or it's too gross, or it's this, or it's that,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, don't do the don't do the death

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<v Speaker 2>and miss dismemberment stories when you guys do True Crime Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 4>But people listen to that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll, in all honesty, I'm not saying that we

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<v Speaker 2>say these things or the we get into the nitty

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<v Speaker 2>gritty details because we know people listen to them.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just a fact of humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's something in our in our brains, way down

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<v Speaker 2>in the lizard part of it now that we want

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<v Speaker 2>to we want to hear the I mean it's gross,

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<v Speaker 2>we will stick around to hear the details.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You've made me feel better with your three pronged response.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because I did feel like we were just using

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<v Speaker 1>this awful stuff as entertainment. But but you're right, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean to the first prong of your argument. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the Kanye rule. Years ago. We have a dear

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<v Speaker 1>friend of ours who loves Kanye, thinks he's a genius,

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<v Speaker 1>and he is.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a creative you cannot argue that. But he's also

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<v Speaker 1>a crazy pants person, insane to the detriment of people

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<v Speaker 1>around him and people who aren't even that close around him.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's we're all imperfect. He's gone through some stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Mom died.

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<v Speaker 1>They're still dealing with that. And I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>he named that next album after her. She didn't ask

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<v Speaker 1>for that, right, But like it's the Kanye role, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And like most says it all the time, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know these people, we don't listen, and it's dangerous in

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<v Speaker 1>this country, in every country. Really, it's just a human

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<v Speaker 1>thing where we have heroes, and our heroes all too

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<v Speaker 1>often are celebrities or sports figures. And again, they should

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<v Speaker 1>not be given hero status because they're good at their craft,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that might be, because you don't know them. On

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<v Speaker 1>the flip side, you don't know their personal relationships, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what they're like in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all human, that's the part, the human part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we like to say that the heroes that we

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<v Speaker 2>have in our hearts or our minds or whatever are

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<v Speaker 2>lifted up on this pedestal and they can do no wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>They've all done wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Every single one of them has done something that would

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<v Speaker 2>probably embarrass them and make you like them life, and.

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<v Speaker 1>How much of a role have we played in them

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<v Speaker 1>being monsters? I mean, if you were constantly bombarded with

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<v Speaker 1>the highlight reel that is Gary Hoffman, you two might

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<v Speaker 1>turn into a monster or a monster adjacent. If you

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<v Speaker 1>were constantly confronted with people pointing out your positive attributes,

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<v Speaker 1>if you came in glad that you don't do that,

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<v Speaker 1>I do the opposite for you. For you because I

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<v Speaker 1>care about you. That's why I crap on you that

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<v Speaker 1>it sounded like a freak off.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to pay extra.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to do that, but.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you have.

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<v Speaker 3>Using healthy boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm learning from the Cassi Venturas story that that is

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<v Speaker 1>a red flag one of them. No, but that not

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<v Speaker 1>that that was involved in their story up until this

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<v Speaker 1>point that we know. But honestly, like if you were

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<v Speaker 1>confronted every day with like Gary Hoffman, you're you're so great,

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<v Speaker 1>and you had people around you telling you're great, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're constantly bombarded with alerts and texts like oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>just won this award. You just you just you just

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<v Speaker 1>made another two point one million dollars, Like everyone loves you,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone loves you. You're needed here they want to see

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<v Speaker 1>you here, you would become a freaking monster. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a very hard thing for human beings to

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<v Speaker 1>get that kind of adulation constantly and stay sane.

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<v Speaker 3>How could you? I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder if I wonder if that's a societal thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but I mean the animal part of a

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<v Speaker 2>society where no group wants one person to be elevated

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<v Speaker 2>too high.

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<v Speaker 3>But we do that to people all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>But then we tear them down. Yeah, I mean that,

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<v Speaker 4>like if.

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<v Speaker 1>We lift them up just to tear them down, because

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<v Speaker 1>we're monsters as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not the greatest example, but look at Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is a guy who a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>in this country want to just put on a pedestal.

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<v Speaker 4>He can do no wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>There's another segment of the population that thinks that guy's

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else needs to see how much of a monster

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<v Speaker 2>he is, so they'll constantly talk about him in negative ways,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever whatever that might be. And again, that's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest example, but we as I I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a particularly American thing. I think it's a human

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<v Speaker 2>thing where you reach a certain level of celebrity, and

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<v Speaker 2>people want to find the cracks in your armor.

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<v Speaker 4>They want to find.

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<v Speaker 2>That little chink in the army that they can they can,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, poke their finger into and make wider and

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<v Speaker 2>tear it open and bring you down.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if that makes them element.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of celebrities that have not succumbed to that.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That that that that we don't want to tear down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about females, thinking about like Dolly Parton. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>loves Dolly, Selena cut down in her prime, but everyone

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<v Speaker 1>loves Selena. I don't see anybody going after these people

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<v Speaker 1>chair females, let's see.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if that is also an aspect of it,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a particular like that.

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<v Speaker 3>But they've never given us a reason to tear them down.

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<v Speaker 4>Blake Lively, on the other hand.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a bitch, okay, obvious, but we don't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean watching just interviews with her, and now I

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<v Speaker 1>watch her movies and I'm like, she's a bitch in

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<v Speaker 1>her movies too.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just a bitch. I mean some of that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't act your way through your personality bleeds through

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that's true. I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't know culturally if that's a thing

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<v Speaker 2>an aspect of other Like do Japanese Does Japanese society

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<v Speaker 2>allow for people to be raised to a certain level,

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<v Speaker 2>they become a certain celebrity.

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<v Speaker 1>That's every Korean drama, every Korean drama, there's people lifted

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<v Speaker 1>up as the family dynasty and then they're torn down

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<v Speaker 1>really really dramatic and emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds like you are you great entertainment.

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<v Speaker 4>Your eyes welled up a little bit when you said that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, have you seen the Goblin yet?

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<v Speaker 4>The what?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 4>You don't that a horror movie?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's a Korean drama.

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<v Speaker 4>I have not seen that.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that we're part of the problem. We

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<v Speaker 1>may be going back to my original thought of us

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<v Speaker 1>of talking about this trial and giving it more oxygen.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, but you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>I do like the idea that we are telling people

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<v Speaker 1>like just because you love Ditty or whatever doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>he's a great person you love his work. Just because

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<v Speaker 1>you love so and So's work doesn't mean you love them.

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<v Speaker 2>A great example that that you could also say, is

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson, I mean, unarguably one of the greatest pop

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<v Speaker 2>musicians right ever in the history of I mean, the

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<v Speaker 2>king of pop, that's why they call him that, but

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<v Speaker 2>had a dark, broken humanity to him that.

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<v Speaker 3>Through no fault of his own.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you become an adult, there are certain things

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<v Speaker 2>that you do that you know are wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't know that that happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, listen, I was about to call you a name.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't know someone who is a just we don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>But like, look at that. You don't know. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what it's like to grow up like he did.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, then how do we know what Sean Combs is?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my point being there's an acknowledgment that people,

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<v Speaker 2>as great as they may be, in one aspect of

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think production or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we don't need to re litigate this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't think Michael Jackson had the emotional IQ

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<v Speaker 1>to know as an adult that what he was doing

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<v Speaker 1>was wrong. I don't think he ever achieved adulthood.

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<v Speaker 3>I think did he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Ritney Spears Britney Spears is a contemporary example never reached adulthood, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's I mean, that's an absolute tragedy because of

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you see in her behavior. You're now she's

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<v Speaker 2>not hurting people outside of her own kids maybe or

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<v Speaker 2>just through neglect, but making an accusation.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything about how much time she's spending with her kids,

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<v Speaker 2>but that kind of lack of maturity because of and

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<v Speaker 2>like what you said, that lack of maturity based on

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<v Speaker 2>you're bombarded with headlines and stories and accolades your entire life.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't know how to deal with.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing this with you and see what the result is.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you end up in a room with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of baby oil doing weird adult theater?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'm going to start it though on Monday.

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<v Speaker 4>I do have a question. Yeah, how much is too.

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<v Speaker 3>Much baby oil? Well? What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's I mean, never mind, can we turn this off?

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