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<v Speaker 1>Dwayne Casey, one of my favorite guys. Five years as

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<v Speaker 1>Piston's head coach, almost five hundred career wins in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 1>six playoff appearances, also coached in Japan, head coach in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>helped Dallas win a title in twenty eleven, Toronto's all

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<v Speaker 1>time leader in coaching wins, former Coach of the Year,

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<v Speaker 1>and former Kentucky Wildcat captain as well. And he joins

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<v Speaker 1>us here on Exus and Bros. Dwayne, Happy Monday to you.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you, Matt?

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<v Speaker 2>Great to hear your voice and great to be all

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<v Speaker 2>with you. And you know those all those years that

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<v Speaker 2>you brought back some great memory. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say this to people all the time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't say this because you're on here. I've said it

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<v Speaker 1>on this show a number of times. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things I loved most about you as a coach was

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<v Speaker 1>when I would go to your shoot rounds before calling

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<v Speaker 1>some of your games. I watched how you relented to

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<v Speaker 1>some of your assistants and let them talk to the

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<v Speaker 1>team as well. The person you took the place of

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't a bit fan of was. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>constant conversation just between him and his players when this

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<v Speaker 1>was you and your staff. Why is that so important

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<v Speaker 1>do you think for any coach at any level in

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<v Speaker 1>any sport.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, for me, I took a play, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of I used to take my team

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<v Speaker 2>with to the Seattle Seahawks training camp in football wherever

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<v Speaker 2>I was coaching, when I was in Toronto, we had

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<v Speaker 2>our coaching retreat. We would always go to spend a

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<v Speaker 2>day with coach carl there and I watched how the

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<v Speaker 2>football guys did it. I mean they you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>again it comes from trust. You know. I had an

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<v Speaker 2>offensive coordinator defensive coordinator, but yet and steal the bucks

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<v Speaker 2>stopped with me as they do in football, Matt and

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<v Speaker 2>so I sold that that philosophy and it really worked

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<v Speaker 2>out well for us in Minnesota and also too, I

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<v Speaker 2>did the same thing. I stole it from Rick Carlisle

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<v Speaker 2>because he allowed Terry stottson how to do it. In

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas the year we won the champions I was in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of the defense, Terry was in charge of the offense.

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<v Speaker 2>We both we all spent a lot of time together

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<v Speaker 2>understanding what Rick wanted, and we took He gave us

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<v Speaker 2>the leeway, the confidence and the rope to go out

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<v Speaker 2>and run our practice. We put in the game plan,

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<v Speaker 2>we ran the drills we wanted an individual and it

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<v Speaker 2>helped me develop as a coach also. And so when

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<v Speaker 2>I became a head coach again, I didn't do it

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<v Speaker 2>in Minnesota. I was more like you say, Stan was.

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<v Speaker 2>I dictated everything, what time with the bus left, what

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<v Speaker 2>color towels we had, what kind of detergent we had

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<v Speaker 2>in towns. I did it, and it's way too much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just too much in today's game. But you have

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<v Speaker 2>to have the right assistant coaches that I did that year.

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<v Speaker 2>I did it in Toronto, and so it really really

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<v Speaker 2>empowers the coaches to help the players. And the other

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<v Speaker 2>thing to Matt, players get tired of one voice for

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<v Speaker 2>the entire eighty two games, I promise you. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when you do step in, when you do say something

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<v Speaker 2>in practice and in the games, it really resonates. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's why I came up with that philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>What about coaching in the NBA is the most underrated

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<v Speaker 1>part or what we as fans and members of the

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<v Speaker 1>media don't see that might be the most challenging that

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't appreciate as much.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the biggest thing I think in today's game at

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<v Speaker 2>more probably more so than ten or fifteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Our players are so well informed, so you have to

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<v Speaker 2>get you know, you have to speak to them at

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<v Speaker 2>a different level. You have to give the why before

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<v Speaker 2>you do things, before you get crack the whip and

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<v Speaker 2>yell it's doing my way to the highway. Those days

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<v Speaker 2>are gone and so you have to give the why.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what JB. Bigger staff is doing a great

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<v Speaker 2>job now with this group. But players are informed. They

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<v Speaker 2>they have their agents, they have the statistics, they know

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<v Speaker 2>understand exactly what other guys are doing in the league,

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<v Speaker 2>what they should be doing, and you have to really

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<v Speaker 2>it's a sell job now as much as anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>You have your rules and your parameters, what you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do as a coach, but yet still you have

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<v Speaker 2>to motivate them to get the buy in, to give

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<v Speaker 2>them the why as much as anything else in today's game.

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<v Speaker 2>With young people in general, I would say I would

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<v Speaker 2>say it's the same thing in football. I would say

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing in baseball. You know, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>really sell the guys on the why first and.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a coach of the year between Casey joiners here

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<v Speaker 1>on Exis and Bros.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved the hire of JB.

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<v Speaker 1>Bickerstaff because I thought track record wise, who he is

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<v Speaker 1>is part of making younger players better advances their game

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<v Speaker 1>and their careers. What have you noticed most that's impressed

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<v Speaker 1>you about how he's gone about his business in his

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<v Speaker 1>first year as the Pistons bench boss.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say enough of good things about jab the

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<v Speaker 2>way he's a great communicator. I mean, I'm from Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a Kentucky accent, Kentucky ways, But Jabek he

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<v Speaker 2>can relate to any player. He's a great communicator. He

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<v Speaker 2>does a great job of enunciating of what he's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do and say. And he has a great philosophy

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<v Speaker 2>coaching wise, and again he empowers his coaches also and

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<v Speaker 2>so but again, the biggest difference he's done is he's

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<v Speaker 2>sold the defensive end of the floor. I think Trajan

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<v Speaker 2>went out and got some really, really good offensive players

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<v Speaker 2>and it fits today's game. And I want to repeat

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<v Speaker 2>that they put up together a roster that fits today's game.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's game is an offensive game. You better keep the

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<v Speaker 2>scoreboard moving. But also too, JB has sold the guys

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<v Speaker 2>and they bought in to his defensive philosophy. And so

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<v Speaker 2>you got Tobias, got Elie Beasley, you got Tim Hardaway Jr.

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<v Speaker 2>You surrounded them around kid who is really coming to

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<v Speaker 2>his own but now. But on the other end, JB

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<v Speaker 2>has them playing defense. He has them protecting the plant,

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<v Speaker 2>the pain. He's gotten Isaiah Stewart to buy into the

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<v Speaker 2>five position. He's got JD. Durham playing playing protecting the rim,

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<v Speaker 2>protecting the pain. So that's the biggest difference that I've seen.

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<v Speaker 2>But again it starts with Trajan bringing the right players

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<v Speaker 2>in for the cook in the kitchen, and JB has

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<v Speaker 2>got them together, brought them together, got the buy in

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<v Speaker 2>on the defensive end. And really, if you do that

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<v Speaker 2>the offensive part, if you have offensive players, it will

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<v Speaker 2>take care of it, Zep. And that's what has come

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<v Speaker 2>together for this group.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the balance that what Trajan Langdon has done

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<v Speaker 1>is put together a roster that I've I give him

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of credit all season long. I love the

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<v Speaker 1>balance that you have of really good pros who've been

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<v Speaker 1>around a while, experienced an awful lot, and helping the

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<v Speaker 1>coaching staff nurture some of the younger pros. Not necessarily rookies,

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<v Speaker 1>but younger pros who haven't experienced the same type of

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<v Speaker 1>success and now they're reaping the rewards. Kate Cunningham a

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<v Speaker 1>lot gets mentioned of him, and for good reason. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have a great shooting night yesterday, but he had

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<v Speaker 1>the double double. The thing that I liked most was

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<v Speaker 1>he only had three turnovers, and I think that's really

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<v Speaker 1>important for a guy who handles the basketball as much

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<v Speaker 1>as he does. I have given him a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>credit for scoring, but the turnovers had concerned me. He's

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of the ball a little bit better. Where

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<v Speaker 1>has his game grown the most?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say? One thing I was telling someone earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this morning. The game has slowed down for him, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the most important thing. And as much as we

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<v Speaker 2>were upset about his injury, which we all hurt about it,

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<v Speaker 2>it helped him mentally to think the game and see

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<v Speaker 2>the game a little bit slower. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>the turnover issue that I think that's part of the

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<v Speaker 2>usage he has. He's handling the ball a lot, He's

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<v Speaker 2>going to turn over some, but just making sure he

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<v Speaker 2>keeps that under control is huge. But his athletic talent

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<v Speaker 2>his basketball IQ is off the charge mat to start with,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he has the game, he's thinking the game.

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<v Speaker 2>The game has become slower. He sees plays before they happen.

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<v Speaker 2>He sees his pocket passes. Teams have tried to double

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<v Speaker 2>team him to get the ball out of his hand.

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<v Speaker 2>He has done a great job of burning them, seeing

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<v Speaker 2>his outlets, seeing the pocket pass, and guys are making

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<v Speaker 2>plays out But he's allowed the game to come to him,

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<v Speaker 2>and now his talents can come over, can take over.

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<v Speaker 2>His shooting has improved with sets up everything. His three

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<v Speaker 2>point shooting is outside shooting has gotten better, which sets

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<v Speaker 2>up his drives. And now what if you notice in

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<v Speaker 2>the game Matt, You know he had recognizes quickly whether

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<v Speaker 2>he has a mismatch showing him. He backs him down,

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<v Speaker 2>gets to his sweet spot with his left or his

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<v Speaker 2>right hand, and can finish in traffic. So watching him

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<v Speaker 2>t play down, it's like a surgeon. You know. He

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<v Speaker 2>cuts guys up, cuts teams up. They double team him,

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<v Speaker 2>he passed it, they put a smaller guy on him,

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<v Speaker 2>he takes him down. So there's a method to the

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<v Speaker 2>madness the way he approached the game. And I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>proud to see how he's bounced back from this major surgery.

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<v Speaker 2>He had the other coaches around the league when I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to him, they all have fallen in love with him.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why he made the All Star team, which is great.

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<v Speaker 2>But now, like you said, he needs to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>work on the turnovers, keep those down, keep leading the

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<v Speaker 2>team to winning, and contribute to winning, which he like

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<v Speaker 2>you said, he didn't shoot the ball well yesterday, but

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<v Speaker 2>he did pass the ball well and he contributed to winning.

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<v Speaker 2>So JAB has him in a great place, great rhythm,

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<v Speaker 2>and like you said, just keep thinking about how he

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<v Speaker 2>can turn over because again he's going to turn it over,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't want that number to jump up to

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<v Speaker 2>another level where you're the team.

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<v Speaker 3>He's such a gifted passer.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing I like about him, and I know

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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't always matter to people, I love his spirit,

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<v Speaker 1>He loves the sport. He has embraced Detroit just as

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<v Speaker 1>much as the city has embraced him. I love everything

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<v Speaker 1>that he stands for, and I think the city of

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit is really lucky to have him as a face

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<v Speaker 1>of one of their franchises.

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<v Speaker 3>When when we.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about you know, making, you know, the serious leap

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<v Speaker 1>that Detroit has made and they're taking on Atlanta tonight

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<v Speaker 1>at Little Caesars Arena. There is a confidence, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of aura about this team right now. Where do

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<v Speaker 1>you notice that most? Like in what aspect of the

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<v Speaker 1>game do you notice their confidence is higher than perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's been in a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I talked to JB about this a few days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you know, when you go through a rebuild,

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<v Speaker 2>it's tough. I mean, we all understand and and we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it. I tasted it, we've gone through it. So

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<v Speaker 2>now at that time when you jump out to a

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<v Speaker 2>lead and then a team tries to fight back, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you play young players, so oh here we go again,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can just see that lead develop and you

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<v Speaker 2>try to motivate them, you try to get but they've

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<v Speaker 2>never been there before. They don't have the experience. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't if you have a group of young players like

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<v Speaker 2>we tried to go through a rebuild with, but now

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<v Speaker 2>with the older players, with Malik Beasley, with Tobias with

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Hardaway. As soon as something you know, we get down,

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<v Speaker 2>which by the way, we don't want it, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to do, but it happens, they bounce back, they

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<v Speaker 2>continue to fight, They continue to fight through it. They

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<v Speaker 2>find different ways to fight through adversity. And that's one

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<v Speaker 2>thing that this team has done and they're doing now,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the vibe they have. They believe, Okay, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what the number is, how many points they're down,

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<v Speaker 2>they believe. And also too, with Tobias experience and with

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<v Speaker 2>Malik's experience and with Tim's experience, they've been through it before.

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<v Speaker 2>They know how to get back into the game. Where

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<v Speaker 2>if you have a young team the way we've had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years, they don't know what they don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and so the first thing to do they turn within,

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<v Speaker 2>they start trying to make plays on their own instead

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<v Speaker 2>of trusting and believing in each other. And this team

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<v Speaker 2>is doing a great job of believing and trusting each

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<v Speaker 2>other even when at verstity hits, which is going to

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<v Speaker 2>happen in this league. But they've done a great job

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<v Speaker 2>of fighting through things like that. And kudos to JB

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<v Speaker 2>for building that type of culture and atmosphere for the players.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and doing it so quickly. It's been fun to

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<v Speaker 1>watch it really has. I'd be remiss if I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>ask you about the shocking over the weekend trade that

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<v Speaker 1>saw Luka Doncvich go from Dallas to LA and exchange

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<v Speaker 1>for Anthony Davis and other players, and before you answer,

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<v Speaker 1>would I would say this. I understand how we get

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<v Speaker 1>caught up in offense, but to me, I would much

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<v Speaker 1>rather have a player who is really good at both

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<v Speaker 1>ends of the floor rather than great at one end

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<v Speaker 1>of the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>I could be in the minority there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Luka Doncics is is an incredibly gifted offensive player.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he absolutely stinks on the defensive side of

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<v Speaker 1>the ball. With that said, I have never seen in sports,

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<v Speaker 1>not just basketball, where two high level, big name players

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<v Speaker 1>are traded for one another.

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<v Speaker 3>What was your reaction when you saw.

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<v Speaker 2>It, Well, it was the same thing, you know you

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that jumped out, Matt was the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you know, usually when those type of traits

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<v Speaker 2>happened somewhere in there, it leaked out, which is one

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<v Speaker 2>of my pet thieves. It leaks out and gets out,

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<v Speaker 2>and now you have an unhappy player. It's going through

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<v Speaker 2>the locker room in Dallas, is going through the locker

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<v Speaker 2>room in LA. But kudos to Nico and also to

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Blinka, and it didn't get out. It kept it

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<v Speaker 2>between those two. The owners didn't leak it out, so

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<v Speaker 2>it really stayed with them, and I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>the most surprising thing to our league. It didn't leak out.

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<v Speaker 2>And again I think, you know, it's a good thing

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<v Speaker 2>for LA because now they have a young superstar that's

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years old. Again, they'll have to add defense

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<v Speaker 2>around him. As you said, you said it beautifully, but

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<v Speaker 2>also too Dallas will be it's another good fit for Kyrie.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a shot blocker, a great defensive player, and

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<v Speaker 2>an inside score with Anthony Davis, who also, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>as a Kentucky guy. But I like him, but again

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's a but again maybe another change of scenery

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<v Speaker 2>for him will will help both teams. But again I

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<v Speaker 2>was shocked. I was surprised more so that it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>leak out and it came out in left field with

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<v Speaker 2>two super players. And if you don't remember Matt when

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Dallas, so it might have happened right

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<v Speaker 2>before I got there. They were almost traded Dirk Nabiscuit

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<v Speaker 2>Kobe time between the Dallas and but it leaked out,

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<v Speaker 2>it got out, you know, Kobe was unhappy in La

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<v Speaker 2>and so Mark almost pulled the trigger. It almost happened,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't, but it was a big trade. It would

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<v Speaker 2>have been sort of the same magnitude at that time

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<v Speaker 2>as this trade between Luca and Anthony, so big trade.

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<v Speaker 2>The proof will be in the pudding and see if

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<v Speaker 2>it works out and go between the two and that.

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<v Speaker 2>Before I finished, I want to, you know, say this.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope our fans understand and see the growth of

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<v Speaker 2>this team. As you mentioned, I think they do as

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<v Speaker 2>a great vibe in the arena. It's time to come

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<v Speaker 2>out and support them. I know we've had some hard

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<v Speaker 2>times though the last few years, but this team represents

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit and I think it's a great time for them

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<v Speaker 2>to come out and support them. We've taken them through

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<v Speaker 2>some bad times. Now let's get on that bandwagon now

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<v Speaker 2>and come up. We have a great homestand coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's a great time to come out

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<v Speaker 2>and support them and be a part of the team.

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<v Speaker 3>Amen to all that.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk Pistons quite a bit here on this program

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the state of Michigan, constantly promoting not just Kate Coneham,

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<v Speaker 1>but some of the other really good players on this team,

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<v Speaker 1>and I give full marks to Trajan Langdon, who I

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<v Speaker 1>really really like and I thought was a perfect fit,

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<v Speaker 1>but more so JB. Bickerstaff. I think he's a really good,

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<v Speaker 1>strong coach. I would like to see him talk to

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<v Speaker 1>the media just before, you know, during shoot around and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can't have everything I want. I can't have

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<v Speaker 1>Dwayne Casey all the time, but I really wish I could.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great to visit with you. Thanks for joining us,

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<v Speaker 1>always a pleasure, and all the best to you and

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<v Speaker 1>your family.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Duane, thank you so much. Man. I'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you down the road, buddy.