WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:17.480 Oh there, m H. 2 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:37.320 Trigger warn this podcast may include explicit content that will 3 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:39.439 take you out of your comfort zone and make you 4 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:40.479 question reality. 5 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.840 Listener's discretion is advised. 6 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:06.159 Hello, and welcome back to the second installment of the 7 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:14.079 Conspira Asylum series. This is Schitzopharmiac and I'm really excited 8 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.079 for this one. I have a lot of loose ins 9 00:01:17.120 --> 00:01:21.280 to tie up from the first episode, and of course 10 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:26.040 we have Colby joining us for the second installment. 11 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:32.680 Colby, how are you wonderfully insane? In the membrane in 12 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:33.879 the everywhere? 13 00:01:36.400 --> 00:01:41.680 So something that I wanted to talk about really quick 14 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:49.000 as we're getting going is something I want I was 15 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.000 gonna include in the first episode, but we ran out 16 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:57.560 of time because we went almost three hours. Notorious Asylums? 17 00:01:58.079 --> 00:02:01.560 Did you have anything on that just that just I'm 18 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:03.159 gonna run through it just kind of quick. 19 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:08.759 But I had some weird insane asylums that were notorious 20 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:12.400 for reasons. One of them sounded an awful lot like 21 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:17.719 a Mexican food restaurant. And I don't think I brought 22 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:19.639 my notes with me from last week, so I don't 23 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:20.280 even remember what. 24 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:20.759 It was called. 25 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:22.400 Was it noteworthy? 26 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:26.639 It was just where you know, they the evidence left 27 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:32.199 behind and the stories and the mainstream trying to pull 28 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:35.680 cover saying that these places were you know, above board 29 00:02:36.240 --> 00:02:39.919 and it was shit going on like in American Horror 30 00:02:39.919 --> 00:02:43.360 Story season two, and you know, we'll get into some 31 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.080 of those today, I imagine, But yeah, I don't remember 32 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:46.680 what mne were. 33 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:50.639 Well, I have a couple that you can say if 34 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:53.479 you've heard of them or not. Had you heard of 35 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:59.560 the Bedlom Bedlom Royal Hospital in. 36 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.639 London in England sounds vaguely familiar. 37 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:11.000 It's Europe's oldest insane asylum, founded in twelve forty seven. 38 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:16.240 So it was one of the places that used that 39 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:19.919 spinny chair treatment that you showed in the last episode, 40 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:22.520 where they'd put somebody in the spinny chair and spin 41 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:24.960 them until they threw up or shit themselves. 42 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.240 Really, that's probably why it sounds familiar. 43 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:32.400 Yeah, so they did that. Then there's the trans Alleghany 44 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:37.400 Lunatic Asylum in West Virginia. This place is notorious for 45 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:42.439 ghost hunter groups going because they say with the lobotomies 46 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:44.960 and the poor care of the patients and all the 47 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.479 deaths and the weird stuff, that it's like super haunted. 48 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:54.159 And they even offer paranormal tours at this place. But 49 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:57.960 the one that stuck out to me the most that's 50 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:05.120 now closed down was Willowbrook State School is what it 51 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:13.479 was called. And this guy, his name is Geraldo Rivera. 52 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:15.599 But you know who he is. 53 00:04:17.079 --> 00:04:19.319 He was you know who a journalist. 54 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:22.199 Yeah, he's the guy with the mustache. Yeah, you know 55 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:24.160 who he is, right right? Oh, I just the way 56 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:25.920 you said it, I thought you didn't know who he was. 57 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.040 Well, I'm just saying for anybody who doesn't know who 58 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:29.600 he is. 59 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:33.759 I mean he's pretty notorious. His takes on a lot 60 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:34.920 of the big events. 61 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:38.480 Well, this was back in nineteen seventy two. He looked 62 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:41.160 like he was just starting. 63 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.439 Out, Yeah, the early seventies. I didn't know he was 64 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:44.279 around that long. 65 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:47.720 Yeah. So this was back in nineteen seventy two, and 66 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.160 he actually found the story about the Willow State School 67 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:59.160 because Robert Kennedy went on the news talking about how 68 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.399 awful it was and how somebody needed to do something 69 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.639 and nobody ever did anything about it. And then Heraldo 70 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:10.000 Rivera was like, somebody needs to publish a story about 71 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:11.480 how these people are getting treated. 72 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:15.519 And I wonder if that was the place that his 73 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:16.399 sister went to. 74 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:18.399 Is it? 75 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:19.000 Where was it? 76 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:20.199 Uh? 77 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:22.040 New York? 78 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:23.519 What's it called? 79 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:26.879 Willowbrook Asylum, New York? 80 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:28.920 I think that might be it is? 81 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:30.879 Do you think that's how that's why he was so 82 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:32.600 at it. 83 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.600 As soon as you mentioned Robert Kennedy, my Hackles went up, 84 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:37.959 let me verify where she went? 85 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.800 Well? He went he yeah, he went on the news 86 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.319 and he was like, somebody needs to do something. These 87 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:51.519 people are getting treated like literal garbage. Yeah, the thing 88 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:57.279 and I actually somewhere around here want to include a 89 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:02.240 clip of Heraldo Rivera touring Willowbrooks State School because. 90 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:03.879 It's everything let's call the State School. 91 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:08.600 Yeah, it's everything that you would imagine an insane asylum 92 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:10.600 in a horror. 93 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:12.399 Movie to be Why did they call it a. 94 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:15.800 School Because they let people drop their kids off there 95 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:17.759 and never come back for them. And they said that 96 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:21.160 they were going to train them like monkeys to. 97 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:21.800 Do like. 98 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:29.319 Basic like self care stuff, but they never did what 99 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:34.399 they like, how to feed themselves, how to like xyz, 100 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.000 but they never did. They basically people would just drop 101 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.600 their family members off and they were. 102 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:45.839 Naked, dropped off naked, No okay, they. 103 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:50.160 Would go back to visit them and all the inmates, 104 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:56.720 patients whatever, anywhere from newborn to old as fuck. 105 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:58.680 In particular. 106 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:02.079 Yeah, they would be sitting around in the wards naked, 107 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:05.639 getting force fed. 108 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:08.319 So it's like a food in their mouths. It's like 109 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:08.800 a zoo. 110 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:09.639 Yeah. 111 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:14.199 And they were shitting and pissing everywhere, throwing shit and 112 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:15.079 piss everywhere. 113 00:07:16.279 --> 00:07:19.000 And it sounds like an exhibit right. 114 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:21.319 Well, I'm going to include a little snippet of when 115 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.639 Heraldo Rivera wentz Ago visit this place. 116 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:43.920 I visited the state institutions for the mentally retarded, and 117 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.839 I think, particularly at Willowbrook, that we have a situation 118 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:51.439 that borders on a state pit and that the children 119 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:55.319 live and built, that many of our fellow citizens are 120 00:07:55.360 --> 00:07:59.439 suffering tremendously because lack of attention, had a lack of imagination, 121 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:03.319 lack of adequate manpower, a very little future for the 122 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.120 children or for those who are in these institutions. Both 123 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:10.879 need a tremendous overhauling. I'm not saying that those who 124 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:14.000 are the attendants there, are the ones that run the institution, 125 00:08:14.079 --> 00:08:15.800 are at fall. I think all of us are at Paul, 126 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:19.759 and I think it's just it's long overdue that something 127 00:08:19.879 --> 00:08:33.120 be done about it. 128 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.679 It's been more than six years since Robert Kennedy walked 129 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:37.399 out of one of the wards here at Willowbrook and 130 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:41.080 told newsmen of the horror he'd seen inside. He pleaded 131 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.639 then for an overhaul of a system that allowed retarded 132 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.240 children to live in a snake pit. But that was 133 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.159 way back in nineteen sixty five, and somehow we'd all forgotten. 134 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:52.240 I first heard of this big place with the pretty 135 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.440 sounding name because of a call I received from a 136 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.039 member of the Willow Brooks staff, doctor Michael Wilkins. The 137 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.840 doctor told me he'd just been fired because he'd been 138 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:03.559 urging parents with children in one of the buildings, building 139 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.240 number six, to organize so they could more effectively demand 140 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:11.000 improve conditions for their children. The doctor invited me to 141 00:09:11.039 --> 00:09:13.960 see the conditions he was talking about, so, unannounced and 142 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.639 unexpected by the school administration, we toured Building number six. 143 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:20.799 The doctor had warned me that it would be bad. 144 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:22.159 It was horrible. 145 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:26.080 There was one attendant for perhaps fifty severely and profoundly 146 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:29.960 retarded children, and the children lying on the floor naked 147 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:32.559 and smeared with their own feces. They were making a 148 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:36.639 pitiful sound, the kind of mournful wail that it's impossible 149 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:37.519 for me to forget. 150 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:40.200 This is what it looked like, this is what. 151 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:42.480 It sounded like. But how can I tell you about 152 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:45.840 the way it smelled. It smelled of filth, it smelled 153 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:50.080 of disease, and it smelled of death. We've just seen 154 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:52.360 something that's probably the most horrible thing I've ever seen 155 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:52.919 in my life. 156 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:55.240 It's that typical of ward life. 157 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.799 Yes, there are five thsy three hundred patients at Willowbrook, 158 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.240 which is the largest institution for the mentally retarded in 159 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:06.720 the world. The ones that we saw were the most 160 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.000 severely and profoundly retarded. There are thousands there like that, 161 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:14.840 not going to school, sitting on the ward all day, 162 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.360 not being talked to by anyone, Only one or two 163 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.840 or three people to take care of. Seventy people on 164 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:25.480 the ward sharing the same toilet, contracting the same diseases together. 165 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:30.440 One hundred percent of patients at Wilillbrook contract hepatitis within 166 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:34.159 six months of being in the institution. The most patients 167 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:37.679 at some time in their life have paracized the incidents 168 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.840 of pneumonia's and is greater than any other group of 169 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:46.600 people that I think exist in this country. Trauma is 170 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:49.679 severe because these patients are left together on a ward 171 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:56.000 seventy retarded people, basically unattended, fighting for a small scrap 172 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:59.240 of paper on the floor to play with, fighting for 173 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:02.360 the attention of the attendants who are overworked trying to 174 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:06.399 clean them, feed them, clothe them, and if possible, pay 175 00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:09.600 little attention to them and work with them develop their intelligence. 176 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:16.000 But what in fact happens is that they go downhill. 177 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:19.320 If your kid had Down syndrome, if they were just 178 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.399 developmentally disabled, if they were schizophrenic, if they were whatever, 179 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:28.799 anything outside of just normal, you could take them and 180 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:30.879 drop them off that willow broke for them to run 181 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:36.159 around naked, sleeping, piss and shit. And it showed feeding 182 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:40.039 time with the nurses and they would just be strapped 183 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:42.799 to a chair with their mouth pried open and they 184 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:45.799 would just shovel food and they'd be choking and gagging 185 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:48.759 on it, and it looked like. 186 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.440 No, wonder you didn't just give them like a tube 187 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:52.159 down the throat. 188 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:56.480 I mean, they had one nurse for every fifty patients 189 00:11:56.600 --> 00:11:59.519 or something like that, So you can imagine how. 190 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:02.720 The clean in the Yeah, I'm going to actually talk 191 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:06.639 about that's how it was really similar still in the nineties. 192 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:13.080 Even that's not I mean, one nurse for fifty patients, 193 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:19.320 that's not enough. Yeah, And so this is where we've 194 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.840 come to though, that that's in the seventies. But I mean, 195 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:25.559 as we talked about in the first episode, like how 196 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:29.960 did we get here, Well, these people are looked at 197 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:32.960 as garbage people. These are the trash people. These are 198 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:36.759 the people you just throw away and you just keep 199 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:41.000 them alive mechanically. But there is no spiritual there is 200 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:44.759 no I mean, they're literally treated like garbage people. 201 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:48.159 Yeah, there's no humanity or compassion. And even when someone 202 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:52.480 with humanity or compassion gets into the system like that 203 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:56.559 as a job, a lot of them just burn out 204 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.799 like teachers do and become peace is a shit, or 205 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:03.480 they struggle with it. 206 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:08.639 They become you know, nightly drinkers and they don't live 207 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:12.559 a fulfilled life, yeah, or they quit. You know, there's 208 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:13.519 no way that you. 209 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:16.679 Can bring compassionate humanity into a system that's as broken 210 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:21.559 as this one is without completely overhauling it, which we 211 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:25.240 don't seem to even have in our list of priorities 212 00:13:25.279 --> 00:13:30.279 as far as politics goes. You know, that's that's where 213 00:13:30.279 --> 00:13:33.759 people look for big change to happen, and it's such 214 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:39.559 a big industry that to do away with it it 215 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:44.480 would just affect all the wrong people in the wrong ways. 216 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:45.759 Yeah. 217 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.200 And the fact that they said, like they use the 218 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.159 word training, like, oh, if you drop your kid off here, 219 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.240 we'll train them how to Yeah. 220 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.879 The language is like how you talk about animals, the 221 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:02.039 walking around nked, shitting and pissing wherever. 222 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:07.000 Yeah, literally treated like an I mean they animals are 223 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:08.559 sometimes treated I was. 224 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:11.679 Going to say, Yeah. And also prisoners. 225 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:14.639 You talk to a lot of people who have been 226 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:19.200 in both, and what we'll talk about next episode. A 227 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:21.840 lot with the pop culture angle of all of this 228 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:24.960 is in the movie and book One Flew Over the 229 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:30.399 Cuckoo's Nest, the protagonist believes that if he feigns insanity 230 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.000 that he'll be able to have a cakewalk in an 231 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:37.320 institution somewhere, and he finds that it's worse the hard. 232 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.480 Through the hard way of finding out such a thing, 233 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:44.919 he discovers that a lot of these places are prison 234 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:50.799 times a thousand and Yeah, we'll talk more about that 235 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:52.360 angle of it next time. 236 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:57.039 Well, the last asylum I wanted to talk to you about. 237 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.720 I it came into my memory because of the article 238 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.279 you read in the last episode about the African guy 239 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:08.080 who came over and he said that the way that 240 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:11.080 we view mental illness is totally fucked up and wrong, 241 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:15.279 and that like spirits are trying to channel through these 242 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:18.399 people because they're healers or something like that, or they 243 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:21.679 have a message or they have So I wanted to 244 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:23.960 read you this story really quick. I'll try to sum 245 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:27.559 it up as quick as I can to just move 246 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:33.200 on from this part. But it's called the Voltaira asylum 247 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:39.000 in Tuscany, Italy, and it was built in eighteen eighty eight, 248 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.080 the same year Jack the Ripper was ripped and running 249 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:46.000 through wherever the fuck he was. That's how old it is, 250 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:48.919 though he was in London. Well, let me tell you 251 00:15:48.919 --> 00:15:51.320 a little bit about the asylum before I get to 252 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:55.399 the patient. So this place accommodated six thousand patients at 253 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.279 a time, so it was huge, and it was like 254 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.159 the Willowbrooks School. They only have like one nurse. 255 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.080 For every like one hundred dec They called themselves a school. 256 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.120 No, they they called themselves an asylum. 257 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.080 Yeah, that rebranding seems totally American, right. 258 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:14.879 So it was built on the ruins of several tombs 259 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.919 and was a known sight of hangings in witchcraft, and 260 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:20.879 they cleared all that out and then they built this 261 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:26.120 asylum on top of this site. And the most famous 262 00:16:26.200 --> 00:16:29.879 doctor who practiced there was actually a Nazi concentration camp 263 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:34.879 doctor who was found guilty of crimes against humanity, uh, 264 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:39.480 doctor Shilling or something like that. And so you can 265 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:42.679 imagine with his backstory what kind of experiments were going 266 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:43.080 on at. 267 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:48.200 This So was okay, wait a minute, so that would 268 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:50.159 have been a ways into it, because you said it 269 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:52.519 was built in eighteen eighty eight. Yeah, so this guy 270 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.200 was this guy this So now we're into like after 271 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:58.000 World War two. Yeah, okay, doctor Shilling. I want to 272 00:16:58.159 --> 00:16:59.600 keep talking. I want to just kind of look them. 273 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:03.240 Yeah, yeah, go ahead. It's s h I l ll 274 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:08.680 no C. Yeah. I think his first name was maybe Ralph. 275 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:10.279 I don't know, but. 276 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:13.440 Ralph Shilling sounds like a shoe brand. 277 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:18.920 So there was a patient who they had, because they 278 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.960 had thousands of patients, they stopped calling them by their 279 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:24.599 name and they gave them numbers. 280 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.960 And so this paper or animalistic treatment, like right tagging 281 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:32.039 him with fucking you know, in the ear, like their cattle. 282 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.000 So now do you think they tattooed him? Since he 283 00:17:35.039 --> 00:17:35.960 was a Nazi. 284 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:40.720 Guy, he might have incorporated what's it called, uh, Walnut. 285 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:45.640 Creek, Voltaire Asylum, Klaus Slause Shilling. 286 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.920 That's fucking that's the fish American dad. 287 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:50.119 I think it's him. 288 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:51.160 Yeah, that's him. 289 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:52.599 No, do you think that's who it's supposed to be 290 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:53.440 an American dad? 291 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:54.079 Oh? 292 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.400 I don't know, yeah, because I always got the impression 293 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.880 that that was an operation paper clip thing they transferred 294 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:00.839 to the Nazi's brain into a goldfish. 295 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:03.039 So maybe he's got the accent. 296 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:08.079 Well yeah, anyway, but yeah, that's him. 297 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:08.960 Yeah. 298 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:15.039 It says he perpetrated infamous human experiments at Doc Cow. 299 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:18.640 Yep, it's a dust shower. Doc Cow, I always. 300 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:23.400 Say Doc Cow. But that's the doc on staff for 301 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:25.119 the Voltaire Asylum. 302 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.039 And I was wondering if he was a paper clip 303 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:30.559 guy himself. 304 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:38.119 Because no, he got tried. Do you think he got death? 305 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:39.480 So he got tried? 306 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:43.119 So when did he participate in the stuff at the 307 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:45.279 asylum after the war? 308 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:50.759 I think it was right after and then they found 309 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:52.599 him and then they prosecuted him. 310 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.839 Anyway, I just wanted to do paper clip and see 311 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.279 what comes up, because that would be interesting. 312 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:03.440 Says he wasn't a member of the Nazi birdy. 313 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.720 He was in the documentary that I watched, said he 314 00:19:07.799 --> 00:19:08.440 got death. 315 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.240 Could it be that he was just working with him? 316 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:15.440 M m, well, we don't want to go down this 317 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:16.000 rabbit hole. 318 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:19.359 Looks like there's a lot on this guy anyway, that's interesting. 319 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:24.920 So he goes from the war to working here to 320 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:28.480 getting snagged and tried for war crabs. 321 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:29.559 Yeah, put to death. 322 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:33.680 Yeah, fuck man, that's rare to hear if he'd been 323 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:34.559 working over here. 324 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.400 But the thing he would have lived, he's actually not 325 00:19:38.480 --> 00:19:41.799 even the highlight of this story. He's like a side note, 326 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:46.680 but I mention it because he was doing experiments there, right. 327 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:50.680 And so this patient who only went by nof four, 328 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:55.599 they later found out his real name was Fernando Nanetti. 329 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.920 There was something in the night. 330 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:03.720 So this guy, it's so sad too, because this Fernando 331 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.880 guy was abandoned by his mother at age seven. 332 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:11.799 She has dropped him off at the asylum. 333 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:13.839 Not at this one, just a random one, and he 334 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:17.119 was institutionalized the rest of his life because he had 335 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:20.759 nowhere else to go. He had no mental illness to 336 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:26.119 speak of. And he was transferred to Volterra Asylum in 337 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:31.440 nineteen fifty eight as an adult, and after he got 338 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:37.119 transferred to Volterra, his behavior drastically changed into what some 339 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:42.160 of the nurses referred to as supernatural. He lost his 340 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:46.440 ability to speak, and he began using his belt to 341 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:50.559 carve words, symbols, and drawings into the walls of the 342 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:55.519 asylum courtyard, and over the course of ten years, he 343 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.359 eventually ended up covering the span of two football fields 344 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:03.839 with these cars. And in these carvings he predicted the 345 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:08.200 invention of the cell phone as well as the moon landing. 346 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:12.759 And he also carved intricate details of TVs and complex 347 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:17.640 electrical systems for like computer software into the walls of 348 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:18.839 this asylum. 349 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:21.599 So they were doing something with this kid. 350 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:25.119 Well, he was an adult when he got trans transfer. 351 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:27.599 I was going to ask if you knew because you 352 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:29.480 said nineteen fifty eight. I don't know if you said 353 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:31.359 the year when his mom dropped him off when he 354 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:31.799 was seven. 355 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:33.599 He was seven when he got drped. 356 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:39.440 No, so he's an adult and he's writing it's it's 357 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:41.680 almost like a but he would you could make like 358 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:42.599 a series. 359 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:44.359 About this guy, like stranger things type shit. 360 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:46.440 Yeah, but the nurses said when he got there he 361 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:50.680 was completely normal, and then over time like he lost 362 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:54.160 his ability to speak, and then he started trying to 363 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:56.079 communicate through these drugs. 364 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:00.880 Maybe this is just me spit volume here. Maybe they 365 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:03.359 were testing all these vaccines on him and they made him. 366 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:06.720 Autistics Nazi doctor working, right, That's why I'm saying that. 367 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:13.200 And then he becomes like this clairvoyant, fucking autistic guy 368 00:22:13.200 --> 00:22:17.039 making all these note nostrodamis type modern predictions. 369 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:22.279 So right before he died, NF four said that when 370 00:22:22.319 --> 00:22:25.599 he arrived at the asylum, he was given the ability 371 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:31.319 to telepathically communicate with an entity that was connected to 372 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:32.880 the asylum grounds. 373 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:36.480 All right, I just does a side note. We should 374 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:38.079 do a whole episode on this guy. 375 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:42.799 But the article you read in the last episode about 376 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:46.759 how these entities or whatever trying to channel through these people, 377 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:50.000 this guy didn't even have mental illness. He got transferred 378 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:53.319 to this place. They probably started doing experiments and got in. 379 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:58.160 They then induced some kind of psychosis or autism. 380 00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:59.960 It might sound like he went nonverbal. 381 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:05.279 Yeah, wow, he got it down four days off from 382 00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:06.119 the moon landing. 383 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:12.480 The most important question is did he predict that it 384 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:13.119 was fake? 385 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:17.480 No, But he also he wrote about cell phones and 386 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:18.400 stuff too. 387 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:21.079 But he got nineteen he said, he said we're going 388 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:23.039 to land on the Moon and such and such in 389 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:27.640 nineteen sixty nine. Yeah, and then this was in the 390 00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:31.880 late fifties, so he was like a decade. I mean, yeah, 391 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:35.720 they hadn't even announced politically that they were going to 392 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:38.599 do a space race and putting him in on I 393 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:41.400 mean that was so this was nineteen fifty eight that 394 00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:41.920 he did this. 395 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:44.960 He started in nineteen fifty eight. It took him ten. 396 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.319 Years, okis so then he would so then he would 397 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:52.640 have been from fifty eight to sixty eight. I wonder 398 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:54.440 at what point in there he wrote about. 399 00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:54.960 The moon landing. 400 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:58.920 There is a lot of information you can find about 401 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:06.119 this guy, because since the asylum closed, they removed large 402 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.960 chunks of the walls where nf were carved these images, 403 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:15.559 and they're all in a museum somewhere and that's it's 404 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:17.839 a suseum in Italy. 405 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:21.039 That's not like Smithsonian, they said. 406 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:24.359 They so they took these big chunks of the wall out, 407 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:25.400 they put them in a museum. 408 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:29.960 They said, this is just artwork, but it happens to 409 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:36.160 be prophetic, right, so he is like modern hieroglyphs. 410 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:36.799 Right. 411 00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:41.039 Well, he also spoke about and the nurses would just say, oh, 412 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:45.200 he's been in here so long, he's crazy now. But 413 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.400 he would say that the asylum was a portal for 414 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:55.119 shadow people and that they were coming in and out. 415 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:58.160 So he said that before he went no, no, he. 416 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:01.559 Would write it and he would try to communicate with 417 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:05.319 the nurses, and uh, you can find all of this 418 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:07.880 stuff if you google this guy's name. His name is 419 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:15.839 again Fernando or sty Nanetti, and so he went by 420 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:17.960 n o F four. You could probably google it, just 421 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.359 Volterra Asylum n o F four. You'll find pictures of him. 422 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.160 You'll find pictures of the carvings. 423 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.119 You'll find that you need to the guy who made 424 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:28.079 Archie Archive eighty one. 425 00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:29.680 Uh huh, he needs to. 426 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.559 Make an NF four series and just have it be 427 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:33.279 about this guy. 428 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.279 I randomly came across this in an episode of a 429 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.279 show I was watching. And when you read that article, 430 00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:42.160 and do you. 431 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.480 Want to admit everybody to everybody what show it was? 432 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.079 It's a spin off of Ghost Adventures. 433 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:50.519 As if Ghost Adventures needs to spin off, they. 434 00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:53.640 Apparently have one. What's what's the show called. 435 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:58.200 It's called Destinations of the Damned, and it's about haunted 436 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:02.119 locations all over the world, not just in the US. 437 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:04.160 So how is that different than ghost Adventures. 438 00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:08.319 He doesn't actually go to the location. He sends archaeologists 439 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:09.440 and he sends like. 440 00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:11.599 Oh boy, he's moving on up. 441 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.599 Yeah, so Zach, he sent like people to go and 442 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:16.400 look at these. 443 00:26:16.799 --> 00:26:19.440 Do you think he's do you think even though he's 444 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:21.200 coordinating it from afar, he. 445 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:24.599 Still gets my next burning Probably. 446 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:27.359 He's zoom calling with the correspondence on your ound. 447 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:29.559 It's not an interesting story, but yeah, I want to 448 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.279 do a whole episode on it. Yeah, it could have 449 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.000 its own episode. But you read the article at joggby 450 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:38.359 Memory about this guy being prophetic as fuck. He didn't 451 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:42.839 have mental illness. They moved into this place. 452 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:46.200 Where man, you'll come to find many of them. 453 00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:49.720 Do not, right. But so that is my sum up 454 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:53.720 of the asylent portion of this episode, because I do 455 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:58.200 want to get into some pharmaceuticals and it's psychiatry and stuff. 456 00:26:58.359 --> 00:27:02.160 I'm glad you're covering the pharmaceuticle angle of it, because 457 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:02.519 I'm not. 458 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:06.200 I have quite a few notes on the pharmaceutical aspect. 459 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:07.960 Good, So where do you want to start? 460 00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:11.359 Do you want me to run through the pharmaceuticals. 461 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:14.240 First, Well, I think we should, because, for example, maybe 462 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.839 you'll mention this prozac became a big thing. 463 00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:26.400 In what the seventies or eighties? Yeah, so which one 464 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:26.680 is it? 465 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:28.920 My eighties? 466 00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:29.359 Eighties? 467 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.640 But I mean, I think the eighties in general were 468 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:36.960 a huge fucking decade for the pharmaceutical industry. 469 00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:39.960 And it bled over big time into the nineties. 470 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:40.599 With the. 471 00:27:42.400 --> 00:27:44.599 Commodifying fucking depression. 472 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:47.640 And yeah, it's started to become like a like a 473 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:51.559 we can take the pharmaceuticals and mix match them with 474 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:58.119 the Laurel camps as I like to call them. And 475 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:02.359 obviously we're going to talk about psychiatry and how it's 476 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:07.200 escalated from there. But before we do that, I kind 477 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:11.240 of wanted to just talk about briefly the origins of 478 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.039 some of these big name pharmaceuticals that are still in 479 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:18.839 use today that I feel like, are it's utterly insane 480 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:23.079 that anybody puts this shit into their bodies. Utterly insane. 481 00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:31.119 So the first drug specifically targeted for mental illness was lithium, right, 482 00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:39.759 and it was used by psychiatrists in the eighteen seventies lithium. 483 00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.440 But you know where they get you is the lithium 484 00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:49.720 that's available for prescription now is not the lithium that 485 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.319 they were using in eighteen seven. 486 00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:58.920 Say your great granddaddy's lithium. So so are you saying 487 00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:01.160 it was better to have the old lithium? 488 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:09.000 Yeah, because actually, long before modern medicine, Roman physicians recognized 489 00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:13.920 the therapeutic effects of natural spring water that was high 490 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:15.119 in lithium. Content. 491 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.119 Tell you right now as a side note, I haven't 492 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:21.880 shown you this, but you know the downtown. 493 00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:24.839 Square of Ashland. Yeah, there's a fucking. 494 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:29.880 Drinking fountain that comes out of Lithia Creek that runs 495 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:34.960 through Ashland, and this is like it tastes like bubbly. 496 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:38.200 Ocean water and people go high in lithium. Yeah, people 497 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:39.559 go there and drink it. 498 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:42.839 That's the lithium that they were using to treat people. 499 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:46.240 So there's just using from natural sources. 500 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:50.519 Natural spring water that was high in lithium. The lithium 501 00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:53.519 that's prescribed to people today is some kind of petroleum 502 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.440 synthetic grosser. 503 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:58.599 Yeah, it all is now. Yeah, they synthesized it and 504 00:29:59.799 --> 00:30:00.160 they they. 505 00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:08.319 Turned it into petrochemical. So of course other than lithium, 506 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:10.960 they would use like thor zine and shit like that, 507 00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.799 because you can't be crazy if you just constantly knocked 508 00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:19.039 the fuck out basically. But something that I wanted to 509 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:24.359 address is that most of the modern day antidepressants that 510 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:30.720 the doctors will put you on, the active ingredient is fluoride. 511 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:35.559 Right, especially Prozac, yes, which I don't think they really 512 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.319 use anymore. I think they phased out to these more 513 00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:41.279 modernized SSRIs. 514 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.960 You're still gonna find docs out there who want them. 515 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.519 Oh yeah, I know, I know it's not completely discontinued, 516 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:48.079 but I think. 517 00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:52.240 It's the My mom took it for years, proses zach. 518 00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.079 Do you know what the generic name for prozac is? 519 00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:10.480 Fluoxetine as in fluoride. Fluoride oxcene is the generic name 520 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:14.759 for prozac. I mean, if you think you're getting away 521 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:20.480 from fluoride by taking other SSRI's like lexapro, think again, 522 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.640 because one of the number one active ingredients in lexapro 523 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:26.359 is fluoride. 524 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:32.839 I was just looking up to see Mother's Little Helper 525 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.079 by the rolling Stones. 526 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:39.440 I didn't remember what that was about. You know, it's valium. 527 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:46.000 I think lithium, valium, prozac, lexapro, now a bunch of 528 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:51.359 just huge offshoots of those latter ones, Like. 529 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:54.119 Can you think of any. 530 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:56.640 That are used right now? 531 00:31:57.799 --> 00:31:59.720 I mean, my sister's been on all of them. 532 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:00.920 My mom, we. 533 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.279 Should have had her, We should have had her as 534 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.279 like a ten minute guest spot zoomer in. No, because 535 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:10.440 she likes them, so it's okay to get the other side. 536 00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:14.039 I mean, she actually has had really bad experiences with 537 00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:14.759 certain ones. 538 00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:15.680 Well. 539 00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.119 The thing about it, though, is they say that they 540 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.839 put that high amount of fluoride in these drugs because 541 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:27.839 it improves their efficacy, which means it totally shuts your 542 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:28.880 fucking brain down. 543 00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:31.559 Well, why do they put it in the water because 544 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:36.200 teeth teeth. Luckily, we live in one of few states 545 00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.839 that hasn't fluoridated their water. 546 00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.839 In fact, as I. 547 00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:45.400 Know, and you'll come to find out when you have 548 00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.400 a kid and you take them to the doctor. They 549 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.960 even specify like, yeah, we don't have florid in the 550 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:51.480 water here in Oregon. Do you want to put your 551 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:52.799 kid on fluoride pills? 552 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:53.680 No? 553 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:54.599 Fuck you very. 554 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.200 Much, Fuck you very much. Yeah. 555 00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.279 I mean, eventually they stop asking because they just know 556 00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:01.920 I mean they. 557 00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:02.400 Have to ask. 558 00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:05.000 I'm sure they have to ask. 559 00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.680 On their required questionnaire that every. 560 00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:13.039 Doctor saying, we have to put fluoride in these antidepressants 561 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:14.880 because it improves the efficacy. 562 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.279 Well, it's like adding shit to fucking tobacco when you make. 563 00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:24.799 Cigarettes, but improves their efficacy because it totally calcifies your 564 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:26.000 fucking brain hole. 565 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:29.720 I mean that is generally what they're going for. 566 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:37.200 So another ingredient that is used in almost every pharmaceutical, 567 00:33:38.759 --> 00:33:44.680 but especially synthetic antidepressants, is petroleum derivatives. 568 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.079 I think that's just in most pharmaceuticals. 569 00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:55.240 In thailan al, advil, they all have petrochemicals. And the 570 00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:03.680 reason that they use petrochemicals is because of So when 571 00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:08.239 we say things like the pharmaceutical industry is an industry 572 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.199 for a reason, it's a money making machine. They don't 573 00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.760 care about healing anyone, they don't care about saving anyone. 574 00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:22.480 They're literally synthesizing fluoride and petrochemicals to induce a fucking 575 00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:26.840 lobotomy in a very mild form, right. 576 00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:32.719 And it's it's perpetual. Over time, you're getting the same effect. 577 00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:37.480 It's like I used to say when I was really 578 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.920 big into like all the MDMA research they did in 579 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:42.360 the eighties. When I was like making this documentary a 580 00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:50.480 long time ago, they talk about how MDMA was being 581 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.360 used in couple's therapy. It was being used for depression, 582 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:59.280 and the idea was, rather than flood your brain and 583 00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:03.039 fuck your Sara tone and uptake with these modern pills, 584 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.440 you would have three or four sessions with molly, and 585 00:35:06.519 --> 00:35:10.599 that's what MDMA is. And in some of these instances, 586 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.840 like the therapists would take a little and then the 587 00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:14.920 couples would take some and they would just bear their 588 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:17.960 souls to each other and they was fucking working for 589 00:35:18.039 --> 00:35:18.960 all sorts of shit. 590 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.599 And the pharmaceutical company said, well, that's what ours do. 591 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.480 But it does it over fucking years and years and years, 592 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:29.400 and it keeps you coming back. So MDMA was just 593 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.079 wiped off the map. Now, I do have a lot 594 00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.960 of mixed feelings about what they're doing with some of 595 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.519 these psychedelic studies that are still continuing to day through 596 00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:45.480 places like Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies maps they're doing 597 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:48.599 like all these but I did see a lot of 598 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:53.199 value in three therapy sessions for it. The most where 599 00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:58.199 you roll and I have done MDMA a handful of times, 600 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:01.119 and by God, I think there was something there. 601 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:06.039 Oh why because it's focusing on spiritual outlets instead of. 602 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.199 No it's I mean, you can look at it, and 603 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.800 it does. If you're spiritually inclined, it will feel that way. 604 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:16.000 But what it does is it just lets you look 605 00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:23.480 at yourself from an objective, empathetic perspective, which you were 606 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.960 not able to do in our bodies. For some reason, 607 00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:32.800 maybe we can maybe we lost it, but this allows 608 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:34.880 you to just be. 609 00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:37.000 Completely open and honest. I mean you could like. 610 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.199 Okay, but yeah, that sounds like a spiritual thing. 611 00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:41.519 For sure, it is. There's a spiritual level to it. 612 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.119 But you could take atheists and get the same result 613 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.440 and they would just look at it as better living 614 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:52.119 through chemistry or whatever. But my whole point was this 615 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:56.239 Rockefeller model of medicine couldn't survive. If you were letting 616 00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:01.440 things through the cracks into the psychotherapy offices across the country, 617 00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:05.800 you would quickly drive them under, and so of course 618 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:10.000 they did, or they drove them under so they wouldn't 619 00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.559 be driven under. Also, something I wanted to mention because 620 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:17.320 the Rockefeller thing, I'm assuming that ninety nine point ninety 621 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:21.400 ninety nine percent of people listening or watching this are 622 00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:23.760 very aware of the Rockefeller system. 623 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:25.039 But I couldn't help. 624 00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:27.280 But notice I've always been a King of the Hill fan. 625 00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.039 Julia's like, yeah, on it. 626 00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.000 But I've been watching the new one, and of course 627 00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:37.920 my favorite character is Dale Dale, and in this one, 628 00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.679 he's like saying all the shit, but it's just you know, 629 00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:43.119 he's he's mentioned in he always did, but he's mentioned 630 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:47.079 in like Rockefeller Medicine. And in one of the more 631 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:51.039 recent episodes I watched, he was talking about the Zepruder 632 00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.000 film and he's like, if you zoo him in on 633 00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.000 such and such frame, you see this, And he's like, 634 00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:57.159 but it's all fake anyway. 635 00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:59.480 And I was like, oh my god, they're like up. 636 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:02.599 But then you gotta wonder, like because Mike Judge is 637 00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:05.480 probably very aware of all this shit, but he chooses 638 00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:09.480 like this character that no one takes seriously to be 639 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.519 like the outlet for all those ideas. 640 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:13.639 And I think that's the problem with a lot. 641 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.199 Of you know, pop culture conspiracy stuff, is it's never 642 00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:20.400 like a credible character. The guy's wife's been fucking the 643 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:22.840 Indian dude, right, in front of his eyes. He misses 644 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.639 the most obvious shit, but he's in tune with all 645 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.639 these conspiracies. 646 00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:27.800 Anyway, that's a tangent. 647 00:38:27.880 --> 00:38:32.159 But I think we were talking about the petroleum based. 648 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.199 The Rockefeller stuff. I mean, yeah, I think that a 649 00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:38.079 lot of people are aware of it. I don't think 650 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:42.559 that they're aware that it's in literally everything. It's in Thailand, all, 651 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:43.519 it's in Advil. 652 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:46.559 It's it's not even hard information to find. I mean, 653 00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.239 you know, people don't give a fuck. But like the 654 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.039 other night, I had a headache and you asked if 655 00:38:51.079 --> 00:38:52.840 I wanted something, and I said no, I. 656 00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:56.119 Was talking about Adville. I said, do you want some 657 00:38:56.400 --> 00:39:02.199 vix on your forehead? I didn't, which actually contains petroleum. 658 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:02.880 So it all does, babe. 659 00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:05.639 Yeah, I mean I guess you're right about that, But 660 00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:06.960 I was gonna. 661 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.519 It's like seed oils and food is the petroleum and 662 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:10.239 everything else. 663 00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:12.719 Sometimes when I have a bad headache, putting a little 664 00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:14.719 vixa on my forehead helps. 665 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.920 You could also get fucking peppermint essential oils. 666 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:19.440 We don't have any right now. 667 00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:20.719 Well, I'm just saying it. 668 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:26.639 You can get that sensation from completely non petroleum products. 669 00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:28.239 Definitely, I would prefer that. 670 00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:29.880 Well, I mean I could get a bottle next time 671 00:39:29.920 --> 00:39:31.639 I go. I mean I can get you a bottle 672 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:33.000 by three o'clock this afternoon. 673 00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.719 I was going to talk a little bit about antipsychotics 674 00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:40.400 as well, because they're in the same loop as the antidepressants, 675 00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:44.719 and it's actually going to be a good segue into psychiatry. 676 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:58.400 So the main anti psychotics are ziprexa, Wrispitoal, sarraquil, Abilify, 677 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:03.960 zell docs, and in Vega, and then they have all 678 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:09.000 the generic names listed here. But Sarahquill was given to 679 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:15.079 me when I was in tenth grade because I didn't 680 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:19.920 want to go to school, so I was truant, and 681 00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.880 the truant officer ordered that I go to a talk 682 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.800 therapist who was a psychiatrist. 683 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.480 We call them shrinks and kneads, neked the woods. 684 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.280 And she told my mom that my behavioral issues in 685 00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:36.159 not wanting to go to school was because I was psychotic, 686 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.719 and she put me on a super high fucking dose 687 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:43.280 of sarah quill. I couldn't move, I couldn't talk, I 688 00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:46.119 couldn't fucking eat. I could all I could do is 689 00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.039 get in the feetus position and fucking sleep. That's all 690 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:55.239 I could do. And so in tenth fucking grade, this woman, 691 00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:59.000 who was ordered by the court by the state of Ohio, 692 00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:04.280 put me on an antipsychotic medication, and then she recommended 693 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:05.760 to my mom that I go to one of these 694 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:10.159 lora wood encampments and get like talk therapy and stuff 695 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:13.800 like that and paint pictures of my bee hole, because 696 00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:15.880 that was going to fix the part I didn't want 697 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:16.639 to go to school. 698 00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:23.320 You know, I always from a young age noticed because 699 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.880 I was a compliance student. At first, I didn't start, 700 00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.440 you know, stop giving a fuck about school or start 701 00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.039 not giving a fuck about school until like early high school. 702 00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:34.159 I was like. 703 00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:36.320 I was in the. 704 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.840 Talented gifted program. I was fucking always wanting to do 705 00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.760 very well. And then I like got interested in women 706 00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:48.880 and everything else that teen boys get interested in. But 707 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.679 I didn't notice early on, like maybe junior high level, 708 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.119 maybe a little bit before then, all the fucking outcast kids, 709 00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.000 the kids that they did what they did to you. 710 00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:04.320 They're the smartest fucking kids in school. They're the ones 711 00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:07.920 going the fuck is all this this doesn't feel right. 712 00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:12.239 I should fucking not comply. I didn't, And what do 713 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:15.800 they do with the non compliant. They start you early 714 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:21.920 on this fucking treadmill of psychiatry pharmaceutical shit, and they 715 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:27.280 actually make the smart kids want to do drugs. And 716 00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:29.239 I really did think that there was always like a 717 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:30.559 double edged. 718 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.320 Mission with like the DARE program. 719 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.679 Because you're telling the compliant kids to not do drugs. 720 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:40.039 On the other hand, you're telling the non. 721 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.199 Compliant kids that this is their path. What do they 722 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:43.559 tell you? 723 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:46.400 Only bad kids do drugs, And these kids have already 724 00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:48.840 been told time and time again that they're bad because 725 00:42:48.840 --> 00:42:51.559 they don't listen and they get it distracted when the 726 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:55.480 light's flickering and it's fucking fifteen minutes until recess. Those 727 00:42:55.480 --> 00:42:57.199 are the kids that they put on the drugs, and 728 00:42:57.239 --> 00:43:00.559 then the kids that do recreational drugs and the kids 729 00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:03.679 that oftentimes drop out of high school become a lot 730 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:08.079 of these throwaways in society, but they're very fucking intelligent people. 731 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:11.079 Well, think about it like this, because I'll just tell 732 00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.760 you from my experience, and this is this segue that, 733 00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.679 by the way, all of those antipsychotic drugs have petrochemicals, 734 00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:18.440 and floor I. 735 00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:22.239 Could just assume that anything pharmaceutical is going to be 736 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:25.400 just fucking straight up poison. It is poisonous regardless of 737 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:29.360 what it does to your brain. It's fucking killing your organs. Oh, 738 00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:32.800 killing your libido most of the fucking time. 739 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:37.599 Lexipro, by the way, I have I have a friend 740 00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:40.800 who takes it to this day and she's like, well. 741 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:41.960 What's her name? Where she live? 742 00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:43.239 Just kidding? 743 00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.440 So she's taking it forever long. 744 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:47.239 And has she listened? 745 00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:48.159 No? 746 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:51.039 Okay, sorry, I just didn't want to make things awkward. 747 00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.199 Oh but so she told me one day, she said, 748 00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.599 I'd like to take the lexipro because I don't have 749 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.880 to deal with the anxiety or the depress anymore. But 750 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:07.320 I cannot get any sensation in my vagina whatsoever. So 751 00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:11.679 what is betraying mood? I'm sorry, but that would make 752 00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:12.480 me depressed. 753 00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.320 You know, some women get to that point anyway, so 754 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.000 they don't give a fuck with the drugs. I mean, 755 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.199 I'm not to just leave men out of the equation. 756 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:24.000 Some people get to the like mundane stages of life 757 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:25.159 and they're sex to have goes. 758 00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:26.679 But then you throw this on top of that. 759 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.239 But that's besides the point. Think of what they do 760 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.840 to Like, some of the most creative kids who are 761 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:38.159 quote unquote what HyperAct is troubled. So when I was 762 00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:43.400 in like what you were saying, maybe middle school, Uh, 763 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:47.920 the teachers would tell my mom like she's got kind 764 00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.039 of like her head in the clouds all the time, 765 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.960 like she doesn't really want to focus on her assignments 766 00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:57.000 and stuff. She's always like doodling and doing whatever and 767 00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.039 talking to her friends and passing notes. And we I 768 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:03.480 think that she could she might benefit from maybe like 769 00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:07.880 adderall or something that could help with focus. And my 770 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.840 mom was always like no for that stuff because I 771 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:13.760 was just a normal kid. I just didn't like really. 772 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.719 So what sold her on the antipsychotic. 773 00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.239 They put a warrant out for my arrest because I 774 00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.000 was not going to school. 775 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.880 I remember you talking about this on an old episode 776 00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:27.920 of Deplorable Nation, shut Out, Janet. 777 00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.440 Yeah, they put a warrant out for my arrest because 778 00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.840 I stopped going to school altogether because I was like, 779 00:45:32.960 --> 00:45:36.800 fuck all this shit. And when we went to court, 780 00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:44.199 the court ordered me to see this psychiatrist who wanted 781 00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:49.800 to put me on antipsychotic medicine. And she wanted me 782 00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.840 to take this antipsychotic medicine and she wanted me to 783 00:45:55.079 --> 00:46:01.880 go to this Laurel Wood Encampment place and paint pictures 784 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:07.159 or whatever like that's supposed to help. And then after 785 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:09.360 all that was done, I still ended up having to 786 00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:15.639 go to jail and they didn't even give me my fucking. 787 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:17.280 What. 788 00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:21.960 They didn't even give me my drugs when I was 789 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.000 in jail. So how was that supposed to help? 790 00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.000 You know, they say jail's one of the easiest places 791 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:29.960 to get drugs if. 792 00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:33.320 You want them, not Sarah quill, what was the point 793 00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:36.199 of do you want no? But I'm just saying, what 794 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:38.360 was the point of going through with all that and 795 00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:40.599 just to end up still having to go to jail 796 00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:42.760 sitting there eating fucking fruit cups. 797 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:44.800 And it's kind of like what we were talking about 798 00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.519 yesterday with where you were at that job where they 799 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.719 wanted you to get the COVID shot and they just 800 00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.679 dangled all this stuff in front of you, small threats. 801 00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:56.760 None of it stuck with you, and then they're just 802 00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:00.440 like fuck it, let it slide. Yeah, but you and 803 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.000 your mom, it sounds like there you know, you would 804 00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:07.280 hit a point where something needed to change. I mean, 805 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:12.679 I just as a parent, even if I didn't know, 806 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:14.840 I mean who the fuck knows. I can't imagine not 807 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.000 knowing all this stuff that we've learned through all this 808 00:47:17.440 --> 00:47:22.599 conspiracy research. But to put a fucking kid on a 809 00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:26.000 drug that forever changes their personality, whether they stay on 810 00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:26.559 it or not. 811 00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.599 What just seems like such a very long You know 812 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:33.760 a lot of them, you're good. 813 00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:38.039 But some of these ones they put like suicidal depressed 814 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:43.320 people on, there's no turning back. It's like ozimpic for 815 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:43.840 the mind. 816 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.280 I mean, that's a good way to put it. But anyways, 817 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:50.000 that's my segue. 818 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:53.360 Into ozimpic frontal cortex instead of ozimpic volva. 819 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:58.320 I think they all give you ozimpic frontal cortex. I mean, 820 00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:01.239 I don't know why I said, you're fucking pharmaceutical level. 821 00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:02.360 Well here's the other thing. 822 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.159 We're not gonna go a deep dive into these SSRIs, 823 00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.880 but anybody who wants to, and there's a lot of 824 00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:12.039 great podcasters out there who have done that. When you 825 00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:18.480 look at like what they know about serotonin and what 826 00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:22.760 they know about what causes depression, these fucking SSRIs are 827 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:23.639 a shot in the dark. 828 00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.920 They rarely work on people. I think it's like just 829 00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:27.679 going on memory. 830 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:30.239 I think it's around like twenty percent of people report 831 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.239 like positive changes. Other people say like, yeah, it just 832 00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:35.920 helps keep. 833 00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:37.280 Them baseline and afloat. 834 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.519 And then there's the fucking other outliers, which it's a 835 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:42.559 huge it's not even an outlier. I shouldn't even say 836 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:47.119 that word. It's more like casualties. People who fucking do 837 00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.199 kill themselves because these things take the edge off, or 838 00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.159 they go on them and then they don't like what 839 00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.119 they do, then they stop taking them, and then they 840 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:57.440 kill themselves. I mean, there's all sorts of ways this goes, 841 00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:01.679 but the success rate is dog shit and it's amazing 842 00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:04.079 to me that they keep fucking cranking them out there 843 00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:07.280 because people want to look at like the opioid pandemic 844 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.559 or pandemic the opioid epidemic, and they want to look 845 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.840 at other things, but the SSR eyes. I think in 846 00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.079 like one hundred years, we're gonna look back and go, 847 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.280 what the fuck were we doing. 848 00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:20.559 I think it's gonna be like the lobotomy. 849 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.559 Yes, I know, you know what I think is working 850 00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:25.880 for some people and they don't even realize it. I 851 00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.679 don't think it's got anything to do with the serotonin uptake. Whatever. 852 00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.880 I think it's florid because it's the fluoride. 853 00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.159 Yeah, and it's not even like they've found things now 854 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.000 they're putting in these things that are better than florid 855 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:42.239 at numbing you. Like florid was the bit like where 856 00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.119 they started doing this, And now they've found all sorts 857 00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:49.880 of new chemicals that I wouldn't want to think they'd 858 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:51.880 ever put in the drinking water, but I wouldn't put 859 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.760 it past them either. I mean, if you're gonna put 860 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:57.519 florid in the drinking water, what wouldn't you do? 861 00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.119 Yeah, poison the town waters. Apply that's all you have. 862 00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.440 Buy a warfare man, that's what it is. 863 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.119 Well, yeah, and they've been doing it in smaller ways 864 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.559 to all of us, to the people who don't get 865 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:14.239 institutionalized or go through the mental health system. Is frequencies 866 00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:16.760 and all sorts of shit that we all are. 867 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:17.360 A subject to. 868 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:24.880 Like we don't take any pharmaceuticals, right and uh recreationally 869 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:27.840 occasionally but not for the most part. But no, like 870 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.039 organ doesn't fluorinate their water, and we're not taking serotonin 871 00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:35.920 uptake inhibitors or whatever the fuck. But imagine being in 872 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.719 a state that already fluorinates the water chlorinates. 873 00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:42.880 What that's what we're gonna call it? 874 00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:46.840 What is it called? Just keep going, I'm sorry, is 875 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:48.119 that not what it's called. 876 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.360 I think it's floridata. 877 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:57.000 They put fluoride in the water. They're on prozac, and 878 00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:02.280 you know they're getting blasted with fucking for a date, 879 00:51:02.719 --> 00:51:10.000 fluorinates whatever, Babe. I'm just saying people are getting fucked up. 880 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:15.000 Yeah, and we're gonna segue into some of the darker 881 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:15.920 stuff at some point. 882 00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:16.760 Yeah. 883 00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:19.800 I would say that the pharmaceutical angle of it, as 884 00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:25.960 dark as it is, it's like, uh seven or a 885 00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:29.079 six on the scale that they have created on what 886 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:33.360 they're willing to do to mentally ill people who a 887 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.039 lot of the times are not even mentally ill. 888 00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:39.639 And don't even get me or any of them really well. 889 00:51:39.480 --> 00:51:41.440 I was gonna say, don't, and don't even get me 890 00:51:41.480 --> 00:51:45.679 started on like how it's targeted towards women too. Yeah. 891 00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:49.800 I actually have come across that stat quite a few times. 892 00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:52.280 It's just like the lobotomies. 893 00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:54.440 Well, you know, we're just making up for the other 894 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.719 ways that you guys aren't always getting attentioned. 895 00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:03.239 Well, imagine like your prescribed birth control pills, prozac, you 896 00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:04.079 have zimpic. 897 00:52:04.239 --> 00:52:06.239 You have to walk around the street knowing that every 898 00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:08.960 guy that looks at you is thinking about your a JJ. 899 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:13.039 They think about how this is targeted towards women though. 900 00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.519 It's like, especially like when it first came onto the 901 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:19.239 scene in modern day culture, it was basically only women. 902 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.840 Hysteria was not something that you would say a man was, 903 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.000 you know, suffering from. 904 00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:27.960 Yeah, but it's like, oh, women are crazy women this 905 00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.960 women that it's like we've been literally driven to the 906 00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:35.320 point of like a pharmaceutical fucking lobotomy. And then people 907 00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:38.400 wonders why women is all emotionally. 908 00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:41.960 Ye broad and not even to leave out that the 909 00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:47.239 damage that they do mentally to females in this society. Reproductively, 910 00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:49.920 they fuck you too because a lot of this. 911 00:52:49.920 --> 00:52:53.000 Shit and you are one who can speak to this. 912 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.280 A lot of the stuff that they intervene with for 913 00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:58.599 other things they want to fix, it just fucks up 914 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:02.599 your reproductive system and ways that you'll never recover from. 915 00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.880 Yeah, your avocable damage, irreversible. 916 00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.960 And we've talked this is a little personal, but we've 917 00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:13.239 talked about your mom with her cancer, Yeah, breast cancer, 918 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:17.079 and she had taken a some kind of hormone, I assume, 919 00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:21.159 but she had taken some kind of mistigical intervention for breastfeeding. 920 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.199 She didn't want to lac date and you got to wonder, 921 00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:25.159 like I wonder if that causes cancer? 922 00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:29.199 Three times she did it. Yeah, But so this is 923 00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:32.679 this is why I say it leads into the psychiatry aspect, 924 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:35.000 which we both have a lot of notes on this 925 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.360 documentary we watched. But so I went to one of 926 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:43.039 these places. It was literally called Laurel Wood, and it 927 00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:46.440 was like for for addition, so you were teenagers. 928 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:52.039 Destined from day whatever to have a wood for Laurel Canyon. 929 00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:55.840 I didn't even think about it day. 930 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:57.960 I've thought about it the first time I heard you 931 00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:58.320 say it. 932 00:53:58.480 --> 00:53:59.880 Yeah, it was called Laurel Wood. 933 00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:01.400 We both have Laurel Woods. 934 00:54:03.360 --> 00:54:06.840 But yeah, No, this place was for distraught teenagers who 935 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.400 were and they were all they basically it was a 936 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:13.000 bunch of teenagers who were all doped up on whatever 937 00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:20.639 antipsychotic of the month that they were prescribing, and they 938 00:54:20.679 --> 00:54:23.239 would they would make you sit in a circle and 939 00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:28.000 talk about nothing literally. And you know, I had a 940 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:34.280 roommates or whatever that I still have on Facebook, and 941 00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.440 every now and again, she'll send me a message and 942 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.199 be like, you know, I see you're doing good in life. 943 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.800 I'm glad things worked out for you if she's doing 944 00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:44.920 good too. But it's like, I don't know, you just 945 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.320 kind of bond over that because you both kind of 946 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:49.599 look at each other and think to yourself, how the 947 00:54:49.639 --> 00:54:50.559 fuck did we get here? 948 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:57.880 Yeah, it's like soldiers coming home for more. And I 949 00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:03.039 will say that the thing they did to men in. 950 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:10.400 These early eras drafting, sending to kill people overseas, that 951 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:17.519 was like our big fucking depression. And you women have 952 00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:19.920 the mental health industry popping. 953 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:21.239 Up similar times. 954 00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:26.480 Like men had to on a queue if their number 955 00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:31.719 was called, go fight people for whatever. And you guys 956 00:55:31.800 --> 00:55:35.159 were not allowed to show emotion. I keep saying you guys, 957 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:38.880 you gals were not allowed to show emotion, not allowed 958 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:43.000 to disobey your husband under most any circumstance, because otherwise 959 00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:47.440 you could be declared hysterical or insane. 960 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:49.159 I mean, think about I mean. 961 00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:50.519 Just look at that era of what it did to 962 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:53.920 both genders and now they don't even have any. 963 00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:01.280 No shit. But I mean, in these places, it to me, 964 00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:07.440 I have like a PTSD thing about it because it 965 00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:13.519 felt like it felt like you were literally scum. They 966 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:18.599 would watch you shower, watch you undress and dress, they 967 00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:21.280 would pat you down and rub your crotch and do 968 00:56:21.400 --> 00:56:24.039 all kinds of stuff to make sure you weren't smuggling 969 00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.480 a blade to try to kill yourself. And the food the. 970 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:32.320 True to deter people from suicide. 971 00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:36.559 I'm just saying I was. I was in tenth grade, babe, 972 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:40.039 tenth grade, and then I went to jail on top 973 00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.079 of that, and sometimes, you know, with all the story, 974 00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:45.719 my dad was a psychopath and he would always get 975 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:48.719 admitted into these places and we'd have to go visit him. 976 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.079 And when I see it in a movie even I 977 00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:56.159 get like triggered, like my god, because once you've been 978 00:56:56.199 --> 00:56:59.159 in there and they don't let you out. 979 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.159 So next week to be a fun episode, right, all 980 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:03.840 the triggering fucking pop culture. 981 00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.280 But I've tried to explain it to you. I know, 982 00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:09.159 I don't let you out until they're ready to let 983 00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:12.559 you out. You can beg cry, scream for your. 984 00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.960 Mom, and that actually, in their minds makes them think 985 00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:18.039 you need to be in there longer if you act 986 00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:20.960 out because you don't want to be a fucking prisoner, 987 00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:26.000 which same people do not enjoy being fucking locked away. 988 00:57:26.320 --> 00:57:28.519 No, they would let you. They would let me call 989 00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:33.679 my mom like once a week. It was horrible. But anyways, 990 00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:37.320 this is what's gonna seguees into the psychiatry aspect. I 991 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:41.719 sent you a documentary to watch. It popped up randomly 992 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:44.320 on my YouTube because I was looking for other things 993 00:57:44.360 --> 00:57:48.559 about the Willows Brooks State School, and it said, Uh, 994 00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:56.199 what was the title, like, craziest Psychiatry? Uh, something. 995 00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:03.599 Corrupt psychiatric spittles in the US from the nineteen nineties. 996 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:07.000 Our life is it BBC, isn't it? 997 00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:09.760 Or I don't know what it is, something like that, 998 00:58:10.079 --> 00:58:10.719 some kind. 999 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:14.119 Of sometimes with the accent is naring. 1000 00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:16.079 Yeah, and I will when it comes around to me 1001 00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:16.480 on this. 1002 00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:19.519 I do have a few clips that I have pulled 1003 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.800 from here just because they speak better than we could 1004 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:25.159 describe what they're saying. 1005 00:58:25.280 --> 00:58:30.960 And you know, anyway, So what was your thoughts about 1006 00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:34.119 the documentary? Overview? 1007 00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:35.880 Uh? 1008 00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:39.840 To give people just a little background on it. It's 1009 00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:43.280 a documentary looks like it was made in the nineties, 1010 00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:47.280 and the thing that was going on was the focus 1011 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.840 of the documentary was happening in Houston. It seemed to 1012 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:56.639 be a modern situation where this guy who went by 1013 00:58:56.679 --> 00:59:01.960 doctor Mark Bolin, he had falsified his creditdentials and he 1014 00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:02.920 came up with. 1015 00:59:02.840 --> 00:59:05.239 This scheme. 1016 00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:13.880 Where it was basically a privatized kidnapping situation where they 1017 00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:19.719 would funnel in people into an institution through therapists, doctors. 1018 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:24.000 There was even some ties to suicide hotline, and every 1019 00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:29.960 step of the way, they mainly took people who were 1020 00:59:30.199 --> 00:59:33.320 insured privately, so they knew they could bleed money. 1021 00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:35.400 And it's funny too. 1022 00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.079 A lot of these people got out of it by 1023 00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:41.440 saying that my insurance isn't any good anymore, or they 1024 00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:45.199 noticed the coverage was gone. But anyway, every step of 1025 00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:47.880 the way, they're just bleeding dollars and dollars and dollars. 1026 00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:52.079 And there is places where, like what Juliet was talking 1027 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:56.280 about earlier, they had one physician on staff for thirty 1028 00:59:56.280 --> 01:00:00.000 to thirty five people, and they would call in doctor 1029 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:03.199 to make rounds, ask how are you feeling today? And 1030 01:00:03.320 --> 01:00:07.199 every patient was like one hundred bucks, and this doctor 1031 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:10.360 would just go around to like thirty people. Now we'll 1032 01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:12.599 get into how they were getting these people in there, 1033 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:16.880 but my overall thoughts on it was I was a 1034 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:21.599 little shocked that this was going on this late. I'm 1035 01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:24.159 sure it still is on smaller levels, but this was 1036 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:28.000 just an out in the open scheme. And they even 1037 01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:34.199 have this marketing real and they market for it. They have, 1038 01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:37.960 like I imagine during soap operas during the day or 1039 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:42.280 like late night TV, these infomercials with one eight hundred 1040 01:00:42.360 --> 01:00:45.079 numbers for these places, trying to get your kids, trying 1041 01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.679 to get anybody who felt a little emotionally unstable. But yeah, 1042 01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:51.440 why don't you go over your thoughts on it first, 1043 01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:54.360 and then I have some some of the situations I 1044 01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:56.679 want to talk about what you might cover on your own, 1045 01:00:56.760 --> 01:00:58.639 and then I won't have to. But I also had 1046 01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:03.039 like two or three shortish clips from it that I 1047 01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:04.360 thought would be cool to share. 1048 01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.119 Yeah, I'm glad you did that too, because I didn't 1049 01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.840 have any clips queued up. But I think it's important 1050 01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:13.480 for people, if they don't want to watch the entire documentary, 1051 01:01:13.599 --> 01:01:18.960 to see at least some parts of it. Because I 1052 01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:20.960 saw the title, I. 1053 01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:23.079 Mean it could even put in the show notes the 1054 01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:23.639 link to it. 1055 01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:24.320 Yeah, I will. 1056 01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:24.599 So. 1057 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:29.880 I was watching the Willow Brooks State School with Heraldo Rivera. 1058 01:01:30.239 --> 01:01:33.320 This was in the side panel for like the recommended say, 1059 01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:37.239 corrupt psychiatric hospitals in the US from the nineteen nineties, 1060 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:41.960 and I did that nineties mini series and I was like, Oh, 1061 01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:46.880 that's so interesting that it was some type of corrupt 1062 01:01:46.880 --> 01:01:49.239 hospitals in the nineties. I wonder what they were doing. 1063 01:01:49.280 --> 01:01:53.920 And I clicked on it and I was just, you know, 1064 01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:57.719 working on my notes. I think I maybe did some dishes, 1065 01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:01.599 jumped in the shower, and I was listening to it 1066 01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:04.920 in the background, and there were parts that came up 1067 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.840 in the documentary where I literally just stopped and I 1068 01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:13.360 was like, what the fuck, what the actual fuck? I mean, 1069 01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:17.920 these people were getting kidnapped, they were getting and some 1070 01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:21.559 of their lives were absolutely ruined by this. 1071 01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:27.039 Normal everyday people living normal everyday lives, having normal everyday 1072 01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.079 problems became victims of this thing. 1073 01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:32.639 Yeah, and some of them got their kids taken away, 1074 01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:33.920 some of them. 1075 01:02:34.280 --> 01:02:36.719 Yeah, We've got some examples that will show clips of, 1076 01:02:36.840 --> 01:02:39.039 but one of them is I think it's one of 1077 01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:42.239 the first ones they talk about, and Julia and I 1078 01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:48.760 both remembered it because it's crazy. This married couple had 1079 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:51.760 an eighteen month old child and they were trying to 1080 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.000 save their marriage and the husband was even quoted in 1081 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:57.159 the documentary as saying, I wasn't trying to save it 1082 01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.639 for sheer. I I was mainly focused on saving it 1083 01:02:59.679 --> 01:03:01.960 for child, which say what you want about that, I 1084 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:05.239 don't agree with it. Some people want to avoid divorce altogether. 1085 01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:08.280 But if you can't get your shit together, get out 1086 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:10.400 for the sake of the kid. Don't stay for the 1087 01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:11.840 sake of the kid. But his head was in the 1088 01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:13.559 right place. He wanted to save it. So they were 1089 01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:18.000 in couple's therapy and one day he didn't hear back 1090 01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:23.079 from her after their session, and he called around and finally, 1091 01:03:23.119 --> 01:03:25.320 like at eleven o'clock at night, he got a call 1092 01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:26.880 back from a doctor said she. 1093 01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:28.679 Had been his wife. 1094 01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:34.119 Yeah, had been held at a facility, and he ended 1095 01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:36.800 up finding where it was and going there, and it 1096 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.760 took him some trouble to get in, and once he 1097 01:03:38.800 --> 01:03:41.840 got in, he got surrounded. He never saw his wife, 1098 01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:45.639 and then they committed him and they and what they 1099 01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:49.800 do is they have this twenty eight day program where 1100 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:55.239 you are a prisoner. Sometimes some of these examples that 1101 01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:58.159 were brought up in the documentary, people were lucky enough 1102 01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:01.360 to get a hold of law enforcement and get some 1103 01:04:01.639 --> 01:04:04.800 like good people working on that indto things to like 1104 01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:07.880 intervene and get you the fuck out of there, But 1105 01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:09.039 most of these people didn't. 1106 01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:11.320 And this went on for years. I mean the attorney 1107 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:12.559 general of texts. 1108 01:04:12.320 --> 01:04:15.920 Of so this was in Houston, yeah, Texas, and I 1109 01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:17.960 don't know if it was the local attorney general or 1110 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.079 the state, but they stepped in and caught this guy, 1111 01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:26.840 found out that his credentials were fucking forged, and he 1112 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:30.159 would get these doctors to like play along and get 1113 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:32.719 rich with him in the process. And a lot of 1114 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.280 these people they interview in the documentary or doctors that 1115 01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:38.559 said fuck you know, but how many said yes enough 1116 01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:42.320 to get And they also emphasize in the documentary that 1117 01:04:42.360 --> 01:04:44.039 this is not an isolated event. 1118 01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:46.840 This happens a lot everywhere. And this was in the nineties. 1119 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:50.320 And I'm not to just assume that it's gone away altogether. 1120 01:04:50.840 --> 01:04:53.639 No, I would say, if anything, they've just gotten more 1121 01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:58.079 slick about how they run it. Yeah, you want to 1122 01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:58.800 play your clip. 1123 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.840 Yeah, So so we talked about one instance with the 1124 01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:06.679 married couple. Okay, so this guy and I think they 1125 01:05:06.719 --> 01:05:07.400 do set it up. 1126 01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:07.760 A little bit. 1127 01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:10.400 I don't remember how much they say, but basically just 1128 01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:14.840 a normal guy with the health ailment gets a surgery 1129 01:05:14.880 --> 01:05:17.199 that ended up being pretty serious, and he gets thrown 1130 01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:20.760 into this fucking weird system. 1131 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:25.000 I've had eighteen major surgeries in almost forty five hours 1132 01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:29.039 under the knife in the last three years. 1133 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:33.119 A surgeon's knife had left Roy Shannon with no spleen 1134 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:37.159 and most of his intestines and bowels removed. He was 1135 01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:41.840 in intense pain. In the process, he'd becomes seriously addicted 1136 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:46.239 to painkillers and heavy drugs. To counter his pain and addiction. 1137 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:49.559 He was referred to a PIA hospital in Dallas. 1138 01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:53.679 The telephone conversation that I had with doctor Leon to 1139 01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:57.800 Brookhaven Psychiatric Hospital had assured me that he could get 1140 01:05:57.840 --> 01:05:58.960 me on the road recovery. 1141 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.000 Very nice picture, but that's not what happened. 1142 01:06:04.840 --> 01:06:07.400 He diagnosed me on the phone as being a manic depressive. 1143 01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:13.360 We found that UH Brooke caven Is is probably one 1144 01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:16.119 of the uh UH worst actors UH in, at least 1145 01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:20.320 in the state. We think primarily because of the clientele 1146 01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.239 that they are usually able to attract UH out there, 1147 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:28.960 but also because they employ some unusual forms of psychological 1148 01:06:29.000 --> 01:06:32.159 therapy that UH are still in testing stages of. For 1149 01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:34.599 for most uh reasonable practitioners. 1150 01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:39.199 Their plan for detoxification is, uh they strap you to 1151 01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:46.000 a bed in uh leather restraints and what hadn't. 1152 01:06:47.519 --> 01:06:50.119 Uh you're left there. 1153 01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:54.760 I was left that way through the night, and they 1154 01:06:54.800 --> 01:06:57.519 had strapped me during the During that time, my legs 1155 01:06:57.559 --> 01:06:59.519 were spread, my arms were down to the side of 1156 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:02.159 the bed, and they were distrapped with a kind of 1157 01:07:02.239 --> 01:07:05.880 like a leather bands to the bed rails. You're left 1158 01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:10.800 with a boalbum that has no control as a baby has. 1159 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.400 And it's like staying in dirty diapers, you know, for 1160 01:07:13.719 --> 01:07:16.199 through the evening into the night, all night into the 1161 01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:19.800 next day. And then you're someone comes in and unstraps 1162 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:22.079 you and tells you to get up and clean yourself 1163 01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:24.239 up and let's go to a meeting. 1164 01:07:25.599 --> 01:07:27.960 How is that supposed to tut you off drugs? 1165 01:07:30.239 --> 01:07:32.599 I have no idea how that cuts you from drugs? 1166 01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:32.800 Uh. 1167 01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:37.360 I mean they restrain you and restrict yous. There's it's 1168 01:07:37.599 --> 01:07:42.320 like a cold turkey type thing. I felt dejected and rejected. 1169 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:44.400 I felt hurt abused. 1170 01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:48.840 So that's one instance, and I do think it's a 1171 01:07:48.840 --> 01:07:51.639 little more mild than some of them. But this just 1172 01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:55.480 to emphasize that this was a guy, through no fault 1173 01:07:55.559 --> 01:08:02.920 of his own, had a health problem, some serious surgeries 1174 01:08:03.639 --> 01:08:06.119 that would change the rest of his physical life anyway, 1175 01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:08.840 and then he gets addicted to painkillers. 1176 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:16.159 Imagine, no, hun, they took most of his bows, his spleen, 1177 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:22.000 he's got just shits on himself like a baby, and 1178 01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:26.199 they strap him down to shit on himself throughout the night. 1179 01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:29.760 And this was supposed to be good for his mental 1180 01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:40.079 health situation. Yes, just I mean, think of this. Did 1181 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:42.079 you see the look on that poor man's face. 1182 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:47.239 Yeah, I mean, you gotta wonder painiful. 1183 01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:49.680 They don't really talk about, you know, how long he 1184 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:51.640 was in there. I assumed he stayed the full twenty 1185 01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:55.960 eight days, but they did make him go cold turkey 1186 01:08:56.039 --> 01:08:59.800 and say what you want about that, just. 1187 01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.640 The him down and make him shit on it. 1188 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:08.479 Just the whole inhumane treatment of a guy who, yeah, 1189 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:13.159 through no fault of his own, you're depressed. Well, yeah, 1190 01:09:13.399 --> 01:09:17.199 I just had half of my innards removed, fucking red. 1191 01:09:17.600 --> 01:09:20.640 But think about this, it's the nineties, right, dope sick. 1192 01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:23.399 They probably put him on fire, oh he was. They 1193 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:24.199 probably put. 1194 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:28.399 Him before he was out the door of the hospital. 1195 01:09:28.399 --> 01:09:31.159 He's popping those things like smarties, garing fucking teed. 1196 01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:35.560 So they get him addicted first off to the pain medication. 1197 01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:37.239 And then they wonder why he's depressed. 1198 01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:38.439 And then they wonder why he's depressed. 1199 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:40.399 Have you ever met an up aty junkie? 1200 01:09:41.520 --> 01:09:43.960 But maybe they get you addicted this stuff and then 1201 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:46.399 they're like, you're depressed, and then they they. 1202 01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:49.680 Just then he gets and he doesn't even get into 1203 01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:52.720 a good just say what you want about this overall 1204 01:09:52.840 --> 01:09:57.000 state of the above board psychiatric care facilities. He gets 1205 01:09:57.079 --> 01:09:59.159 roped into this fake one that just bleeds them with 1206 01:09:59.199 --> 01:10:00.880 money and treats them a piece of meat. 1207 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:02.560 I mean. 1208 01:10:05.039 --> 01:10:10.119 But the other aspect of this was, as always with 1209 01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:16.640 any fucking dark scheme, the biggest victims end up being children. 1210 01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:21.800 And I've got a couple more clips to demonstrate that, 1211 01:10:22.159 --> 01:10:24.640 but I do want to show you first before we 1212 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:26.439 move into that angle of it. And actually it's just 1213 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.760 going to show one of their basic ass infomercial things 1214 01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.920 and then it moves into like targeting kids. 1215 01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:38.239 I still can't believe what our son's problems did to 1216 01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:45.239 our family. The screaming, the fights, and everything to do 1217 01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.199 with school was just a nightmare. 1218 01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:52.079 I finally realized we had to find some help. 1219 01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:55.159 Everything okay, it. 1220 01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:57.680 Sure is if you are trying to deal with a 1221 01:10:57.720 --> 01:11:01.720 troubled teenager called they would hospital now at seven one, three, three, three, 1222 01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:03.840 two nine five zero. 1223 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:06.399 A lot of parents don't know their teenager is headed 1224 01:11:06.439 --> 01:11:09.479 for trouble until the school tells them. They have no 1225 01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:13.000 idea how much trouble he's really in until school gets out. 1226 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:15.960 They hope the problem will get better over the summer, 1227 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.880 until it gets worse. The truth is, some parents don't 1228 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:23.119 want to believe there's a problem at all until there's 1229 01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:27.000 no solution. Don't let your teenager waste another school year. 1230 01:11:27.479 --> 01:11:29.319 Specialized care just for kids. 1231 01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:33.199 Clearly, the thing that's affected me the most is the 1232 01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:38.720 way that this industry has insidiously gotten itself involved with 1233 01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:42.359 the children, and they do so in a variety in 1234 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:47.000 a variety of ways. The most blatant example is the 1235 01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:53.199 way that psychiatric facilities in Texas have obtained a presence 1236 01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:57.920 in school counseling facilities in independent school districts throughout the state. 1237 01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:02.880 And it's such an incitia way for them to get business, 1238 01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:06.279 that is, through the school districts and by way of 1239 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:09.359 praying on minors. That's the thing that really troubles me. 1240 01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:17.680 The most psychiatric hospitals placed their own counselors in American schools. 1241 01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:22.720 In Texas, investigations and now underway in twenty four school 1242 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:26.680 districts for illegal referrals to their hospitals. 1243 01:12:28.279 --> 01:12:31.000 When we started admitting children as young as two and 1244 01:12:31.039 --> 01:12:34.680 three years of age, that gets you a little bit. 1245 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:37.840 And then the adolescent program, it was easy to admit 1246 01:12:37.880 --> 01:12:39.920 those patients and we knew they were going to stay 1247 01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:42.720 for a long time and they had no say in 1248 01:12:42.760 --> 01:12:46.399 the admission, so they'd be there for sixty to ninety days. 1249 01:12:52.079 --> 01:12:58.119 We've seen the referrals being made by school counselors, people 1250 01:12:58.159 --> 01:13:01.479 that as we grow up in life, we've we've been 1251 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:05.279 taught to put our trust in and instead, many many 1252 01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:09.319 times our schools become pipelines for our students into these 1253 01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:13.199 private hospitals and sometimes if possible, in many cases we 1254 01:13:13.359 --> 01:13:18.119 heard where that was used to pull not just the 1255 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:20.199 child in, but the parents as well. 1256 01:13:24.720 --> 01:13:25.279 And al. 1257 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:29.000 Be careful now. 1258 01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:34.079 Corticia Dupre had just had her fourth birthday when she 1259 01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:37.000 was referred for a consultation at Laurel Wood, a p 1260 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:38.600 I a hospital in Houston. 1261 01:13:39.279 --> 01:13:45.359 There Burwood, you can't do it, You did it? 1262 01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:46.560 Okay, you wanna come down? 1263 01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:52.079 Her mother, Laisha, suspected the child that had been sexually abused, not. 1264 01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:53.960 From up there. 1265 01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:58.079 P i A persuaded her that Quarticia needed immediate hospitalization. 1266 01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:01.479 They suggested she stay with a child for four days 1267 01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:07.520 to keep her company. 1268 01:14:08.840 --> 01:14:10.880 After the four days were up, I was ready to go, 1269 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:14.760 and they were trying to keep me there. I kept saying, hey, 1270 01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:16.119 I want to get out of here. You know, my 1271 01:14:16.239 --> 01:14:18.560 time is up, and she kept saying that, no, I 1272 01:14:18.600 --> 01:14:21.640 really think it's something inside you that's wanting to come 1273 01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:23.039 out and will come out, and it's going to be 1274 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:26.039 a nasty sight, you know. And I'm like, I don't care, 1275 01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:29.039 you know, even if so, I'm ready to go, and 1276 01:14:29.159 --> 01:14:32.119 you know, they just refuse and refuse and refused. So 1277 01:14:32.840 --> 01:14:35.119 at that time I decided to start saying, hey, I'm 1278 01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:36.199 not gonna pay insurance. 1279 01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:43.279 The hospital's attitude towards Leisha changed. They separated her from 1280 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:46.039 her child until one evening she was summons to the 1281 01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:47.000 children's units. 1282 01:14:48.199 --> 01:14:50.560 Next thing I know, she said, grab her and this 1283 01:14:50.600 --> 01:14:53.000 guy before I can even turn my head, he grabbed me. 1284 01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:56.520 And then the guy that called me to have me 1285 01:14:56.560 --> 01:14:59.399 to come over there from the beginning. He comes out, 1286 01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.880 you know, finally and he say strap and it's like 1287 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:05.039 they went around the corner to get to s you know, 1288 01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:06.760 the strap, and it it was like everything was just 1289 01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:09.399 set up because it took them less than a you 1290 01:15:09.439 --> 01:15:12.479 know second to grab me and less than you know, 1291 01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:15.319 maybe two or three seconds to get the strap. And 1292 01:15:15.720 --> 01:15:17.600 he took his knees, the guy that was holding he 1293 01:15:17.640 --> 01:15:20.079 took his knees and bitten my knees in and brought 1294 01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:23.000 me down to the floor and uh, he like stumbled, 1295 01:15:23.039 --> 01:15:25.600 you know, t f fell on top of me. When 1296 01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:27.279 I kind of started going off. Then I was like, 1297 01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:28.840 what are you doing to me? You know, let me go, 1298 01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:32.960 Let me go, And uh my daughter was standing there 1299 01:15:33.039 --> 01:15:35.760 the whole time, watching everything, and that's when I said 1300 01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:37.680 to them, just please get her out of here. Don't 1301 01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:39.760 let her see this, you know, and she was just 1302 01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:44.439 up there crying and hurt me for her to have 1303 01:15:44.479 --> 01:15:46.399 to see me being treated that way. 1304 01:15:50.119 --> 01:15:54.199 Hospital records show that Pia asked four year old Cortitia 1305 01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:57.399 whether she'd ever thought of suicide. 1306 01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:03.279 I was so desperate I called the police department and 1307 01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:04.800 that's when I got a hold of the chief. 1308 01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:10.199 Canto well, it was a Saturday and I had come 1309 01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:13.079 in to do some extra work and the phone rang 1310 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:16.319 and I answered it, and it was a UH woman 1311 01:16:17.279 --> 01:16:21.840 requesting assistance that uh, she was being detained against her 1312 01:16:21.920 --> 01:16:24.720 will in a hospital and that she was not a 1313 01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:25.399 patient there. 1314 01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:29.600 I guess when you were in a mental hospital or 1315 01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:32.119 whatever the hospital it was, people aren't gonna listen to 1316 01:16:32.159 --> 01:16:34.279 you cause they gonna think you crazy. But you know 1317 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:35.479 that's not really the case. 1318 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:41.159 I went in there with the intention of trying to 1319 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:45.119 do a constructive investigation. I felt that Leisha was telling 1320 01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:48.880 me the truth. This other gentleman, I felt that, uh, 1321 01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:52.000 he was holding back, he wasn't being cooperative. Uh, he 1322 01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:56.039 wasn't giving me the information I needed, uh, evasive, and 1323 01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:58.319 finally I felt that he was playing games with me, 1324 01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:01.880 and I wasn't gonna put up with it. She told 1325 01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:03.800 me right there in front of him she wanted to 1326 01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:05.399 be let out. And I asked him, I said, are 1327 01:17:05.439 --> 01:17:06.279 you going to let her out? 1328 01:17:06.359 --> 01:17:06.920 And he said no. 1329 01:17:07.800 --> 01:17:12.439 I said, well, we'll see about that. I came back 1330 01:17:12.479 --> 01:17:14.640 to my office, I started making some phone calls to 1331 01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:19.760 some judges and state representatives, and I got a phone 1332 01:17:19.760 --> 01:17:23.399 call within about two hours that they had decided to 1333 01:17:23.479 --> 01:17:29.359 let her go, So. 1334 01:17:29.439 --> 01:17:31.720 Is somewhat happy ending there. 1335 01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:39.439 Dude, that is literally kidnapping. 1336 01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:44.239 Yeah, And I also I didn't clip this one, but 1337 01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:47.399 it's noteworthy, and I would recommend anybody who's intrigued by 1338 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:49.439 these clips that we've shown and the stuff we've talked 1339 01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:51.119 about with it to watch the whole thing. It's like 1340 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:55.439 forty eight minutes long. Yeah, it's a quick watch. And 1341 01:17:56.119 --> 01:18:00.439 another instance was this fourteen year old kid named I 1342 01:18:00.479 --> 01:18:04.000 think Jeremy, was living with what appeared to be. 1343 01:18:03.960 --> 01:18:06.239 A grandmother and a grandfather. 1344 01:18:06.880 --> 01:18:10.640 And somebody from the school sent over somebody to snag 1345 01:18:10.720 --> 01:18:13.600 him and take him to this place, and she wouldn't 1346 01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:19.359 let him go, and they ended up saying to her, 1347 01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:23.680 and this is something fucking cops always do, Well, you 1348 01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:24.640 can make it easy. 1349 01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:26.960 You can let him come with us right. 1350 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:29.319 Now and we'll hold him for twenty four hours, or 1351 01:18:29.359 --> 01:18:31.600 you can fight this and we'll come back with a 1352 01:18:31.680 --> 01:18:33.479 court order and hold him for the full. 1353 01:18:33.359 --> 01:18:34.199 Twenty eight days. 1354 01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:37.920 And she fought it tooth and now she called a lawyer, 1355 01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:40.199 she called the cops, and they ended up being able 1356 01:18:40.239 --> 01:18:43.760 to take him anyway despite her best efforts. And then 1357 01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:48.039 they couldn't even figure out where he was. And they 1358 01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:50.479 finally got in there, they weren't allowed to see him. 1359 01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:53.279 He had to do the full twenty eight days. And 1360 01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:57.880 like Julia just said, this is literally kidnapping kid was 1361 01:18:57.880 --> 01:18:58.399 a minor. 1362 01:19:00.119 --> 01:19:03.039 His guardians would not. 1363 01:19:04.760 --> 01:19:07.720 Comply with the orders of you know, he needs to 1364 01:19:07.760 --> 01:19:11.640 be incarcerated, and they did it anyway. Like we said 1365 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:16.720 when we introduced this, they did end up becoming the 1366 01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:19.159 subject of a heavy investigation, and I do believe it 1367 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:23.159 all got shut down. But they also emphasized that this 1368 01:19:23.359 --> 01:19:26.319 is just one of many and this guy was playing 1369 01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:29.720 fast and loose, And I'm starting to wonder the counselors. 1370 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:34.520 So yeah, this guy recruited counselors. This guy recruited doctors, 1371 01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:39.159 talk therapists. They're even doing some shit through the suicide hotlines. 1372 01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:41.600 Like I said earlier, but I'm starting to wonder if 1373 01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:45.359 this Mark Bolling guy. To tie it into stuff we 1374 01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.159 always talk about, it could be a pretty good segue 1375 01:19:48.199 --> 01:19:51.119 into our travel back in time to mk ULTR. But 1376 01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:55.439 if Mark Bollan wasn't under the employ of some nefarious 1377 01:19:55.880 --> 01:19:58.399 triple letter whatever. 1378 01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:02.720 Have you, absolutely did you look to see if he 1379 01:20:02.840 --> 01:20:04.479 ever got incarcerated for this. 1380 01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:07.560 No, and in fact, I think maybe we should before 1381 01:20:07.560 --> 01:20:09.880 we in the episode tonight at the end of it, 1382 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:13.600 because I was kind of rushed and researching this documentary 1383 01:20:13.600 --> 01:20:13.800 and I. 1384 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:15.399 Ended up getting a lot of nuggets out of it. 1385 01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:18.119 I'm glad you sent it to me, but a follow 1386 01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:22.800 up on mister fake doctor Mark Bollen it would be 1387 01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:23.319 worth it. 1388 01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:25.760 Also looking into old Klaus. 1389 01:20:26.199 --> 01:20:29.079 Yeah, well, you know that's one of the things I 1390 01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:33.319 love the most about you. Because I watched it, I 1391 01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:36.199 thought you would find it interesting. I sent it to you. 1392 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:41.960 You watched it. You was also shook by some of 1393 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:47.079 the stories in there, and it's like this was the nineties. 1394 01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:53.239 I was alive and a little kid when this stuff. 1395 01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:53.479 Was going on. 1396 01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:57.000 But I'm just saying, think of how this is our lifetime. 1397 01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:59.239 Escalated, think about how things can. 1398 01:20:59.359 --> 01:21:03.359 Well I'm to cap this episode off with that in mind, 1399 01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:09.960 because you don't pay attention much to modern day politics 1400 01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:12.560 or moves made in that area. 1401 01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.840 But we will close off with where it might be going, 1402 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:19.279 and we might be going fucking backwards. 1403 01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:24.520 Who well, do you have anything else about this psychiatry 1404 01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:27.880 thing before we kind of touch on mk Ultra. 1405 01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:31.680 Oh, yes, some of the finer points that I felt 1406 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:36.760 were worth writing down from this documentary. Where as we've 1407 01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:42.479 tracked in the movement and growth of this industry. We'll 1408 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:46.520 call it psychiatric care to you know, sugarcoat it like 1409 01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:52.560 they would. It's basically state sand kitchen fucking imprisonment. Yeah, 1410 01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:56.239 under the guise of mental health care. But this industry 1411 01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:59.039 doubled in the eighties, and we did in last episode 1412 01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:01.239 kind of track the girl both of it from last 1413 01:22:01.279 --> 01:22:05.359 centuries spilling over or the nineteenth centuries spilling over into 1414 01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:06.239 the twentieth century. 1415 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:07.840 And now we're talking about right here. 1416 01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:10.960 So this shit doubled in the eighties, and it was 1417 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:14.840 the biggest in Texas. As this documentary the focus point 1418 01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:18.680 was Houston, Texas, but apparently that was big in that state. 1419 01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:21.439 But by the nineties, when they were making this documentary, 1420 01:22:22.159 --> 01:22:24.319 it was a fifty billion. 1421 01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:25.359 Dollar a year industry. 1422 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:29.560 And one can only imagine where it's at today. 1423 01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:34.000 In the nineties, if it was a fifty billion dollar 1424 01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:38.079 a year industry, you can just quadruple that number probably, 1425 01:22:39.279 --> 01:22:42.880 and that's where we're at now, I would assume. But 1426 01:22:44.199 --> 01:22:46.720 does that number include the pharmaceuticals. 1427 01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:50.520 No, this is just this is just the scheme of 1428 01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:55.439 filtering people through all these different avenues into the psychiatric 1429 01:22:55.520 --> 01:23:00.920 imprisonment that itself through. As it was demonstrated in this documentary. 1430 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:04.640 All that money is basically coming from privatized insurance and 1431 01:23:04.680 --> 01:23:09.840 this is privatized psychiatric care. So I am a capitalist 1432 01:23:09.880 --> 01:23:12.159 over a socialist at the end of the day. But 1433 01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:19.640 unregulated capitalism and regulation isn't even the fucking answer because 1434 01:23:19.640 --> 01:23:22.439 that oftentimes it's just one hand washing the other as well. 1435 01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:28.319 But with this, you have privatized insurance with meats, privatized 1436 01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:31.479 psychiatric care, and you can just get this big loop 1437 01:23:31.520 --> 01:23:36.920 of money exchange. And when you throw the pharmaceuticals into it, 1438 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:38.479 we could look and see what the number is. 1439 01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:41.199 I'm imagining it's much more than fifty billion a year. 1440 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:45.159 In the nineties, it was kind of really taking off 1441 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:47.199 heading towards its peak. 1442 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:51.840 So yeah, it'd be interesting to see what that market 1443 01:23:51.920 --> 01:23:52.479 was as well. 1444 01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:55.239 But just from the psychiatric care alone, you're talking fifty 1445 01:23:55.279 --> 01:23:56.800 billion a year in the nineties. 1446 01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.720 So would you agree with me when I say stuff 1447 01:23:59.760 --> 01:24:02.439 like the reason that there's no cure for cancer is 1448 01:24:02.479 --> 01:24:09.079 because the treatments are worth billions and there's there's no 1449 01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:15.079 cure for schizophrenia or mental illnesses like this, because the 1450 01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:20.479 treatments are worth billions. I mean, they don't want people 1451 01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:22.880 to get well, they don't want people to get better. 1452 01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:26.239 They don't want somebody to find out that acupuncture can 1453 01:24:26.279 --> 01:24:28.760 take away the fucking shadow people at night. 1454 01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:32.199 Well, and I would argue that the cure for cancer 1455 01:24:32.520 --> 01:24:38.439 is one hund preventative. Preventative care. 1456 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:40.359 Say you get cancer, right. 1457 01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:42.399 And then you revert back to what you would have 1458 01:24:42.439 --> 01:24:44.239 done to not get cancer in the first place, to 1459 01:24:44.279 --> 01:24:45.640 hope your body rights itself. 1460 01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:48.560 You know, sometimes people. 1461 01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:52.399 Do go through these radiation slash chemo treatments and they're younger, 1462 01:24:52.520 --> 01:24:55.039 healthier people, and they do bounce back. I have a 1463 01:24:55.079 --> 01:24:58.399 fucking family member. He's married to my grandmother. He's basically 1464 01:24:58.439 --> 01:24:59.000 my grandpa. 1465 01:24:59.239 --> 01:24:59.720 They married. 1466 01:24:59.840 --> 01:25:03.680 I as like sixteen, but he goes in and out 1467 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:06.439 of cancer treatment every few years. It just keeps popping 1468 01:25:06.560 --> 01:25:08.439 up and he keeps killing it, but it keeps coming back. 1469 01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:12.319 And then you got to wonder is the treatment causing 1470 01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:14.000 the cancer to come back and killing it? 1471 01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:16.920 But anyway, there are outliers that do get better. 1472 01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:19.439 But for the most part, I mean, there was a 1473 01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:22.199 guy in like the mid fuck where was he. 1474 01:25:22.880 --> 01:25:24.279 I want to give a time frame here. 1475 01:25:24.159 --> 01:25:26.239 I would say it was in the fifties or sooner. 1476 01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:31.680 He was doing intervenious vitamin C treatments for cancer patients, 1477 01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:35.560 and they completely buried this guy. I'm not saying that 1478 01:25:36.199 --> 01:25:39.359 I think that's the overall answer to cancer, but it's 1479 01:25:39.399 --> 01:25:44.880 funny that they also suppressed vitamin treatments. 1480 01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:46.359 That were popping up during COVID. 1481 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:50.000 Funny because when my mom had cancer, I found that 1482 01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:53.359 guy and I told my mom about the vitamin C 1483 01:25:54.159 --> 01:25:56.359 and I was like, would you because there are these 1484 01:25:56.399 --> 01:25:59.039 little places that have popped up recently where you can 1485 01:25:59.119 --> 01:26:02.880 just go get in few with whatever vitamins and stuff. 1486 01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:05.279 And I asked her if she would do it, but 1487 01:26:05.399 --> 01:26:09.119 at that point she had kind of succumbed to I'd 1488 01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:11.840 just done trying, and I don't want. 1489 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:14.800 To do any of I'm gonna do what the doctors recommend. 1490 01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:20.760 But yeah, so, yeah, they don't want a cure. They 1491 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:26.000 want a slow drip treatment system that doesn't aim towards betterment. 1492 01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:31.239 So I think it's the same with mental illness. I 1493 01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:34.600 think throwing pills in psychiatry at this stuff is not 1494 01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:38.399 the solution. I think that the guy from the first episode. 1495 01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:42.279 The African guy had a lot of great points made 1496 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:46.199 about how we do it completely asked backwards. 1497 01:26:46.399 --> 01:26:48.159 Well, imagine if he would have seen this shit. He 1498 01:26:48.359 --> 01:26:50.640 was over here when this shit was taken off and 1499 01:26:50.680 --> 01:26:53.159 doubled in the eighties. But imagine if that guy had 1500 01:26:53.159 --> 01:26:54.199 walked into this place. 1501 01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:57.600 Imagine if he would have walked into the Willowbrooks State 1502 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:01.199 School with naked kids throwing shit, and. 1503 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:02.000 And maybe he saw stuff like that. 1504 01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:06.800 I mean, it just I don't know Han's it's a mess. 1505 01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:08.560 What do you got on himk. 1506 01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:12.079 Ultra, Well, this is a topic that is near and 1507 01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:17.800 dear to me in my other show, I guess I'm 1508 01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:20.680 saying other show. I consider myself a permanent co host 1509 01:27:20.720 --> 01:27:21.279 on yours. 1510 01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:23.439 Yeah, but on my other show. 1511 01:27:25.079 --> 01:27:27.039 And don't worry, there will be things I don't do 1512 01:27:27.119 --> 01:27:29.640 with her for those people who like her alone better, 1513 01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:36.119 I understand I do too. So what anyway, I have 1514 01:27:36.399 --> 01:27:40.000 done a pretty good amount of research, and damn k Ultra, 1515 01:27:41.079 --> 01:27:42.520 and I came into it through my. 1516 01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:48.079 Interest in how they weaponized LSD. But that really isn't 1517 01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:49.239 in all of this. 1518 01:27:49.439 --> 01:27:50.760 It is going to be in some of the stuff 1519 01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.479 I bring up because it was prevalently a part of it. 1520 01:27:54.279 --> 01:27:59.640 But basically what you'll come to find was in the 1521 01:27:59.680 --> 01:28:03.920 fifth these spilling over into the sixties kind of getting 1522 01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:11.199 tossed around some congressional regulation attempts where they mainly drove 1523 01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:13.920 this shit underground. It still happens, of course, we all 1524 01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:16.760 know that. But they were doing a knee open with 1525 01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:23.000 Sydney Gottlieb, not Frank Olson, Sydney Gottlieb's mk Ultra program. 1526 01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:28.119 And I had come across a doctor named You and Cameron, 1527 01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:32.279 and he was operating out of Montreal, Canada, and he's 1528 01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:36.720 a very interesting character. And I have a couple articles 1529 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:40.640 that talk about the Montreal hospital. But keep in mind 1530 01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:45.680 that this shit was going on very prevalently in the 1531 01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:54.079 mental health industry, in schools for gifted kids or special 1532 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:57.920 needs kids, more often prisons. 1533 01:28:58.560 --> 01:28:59.479 So they would get these. 1534 01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:02.640 People on board that we're working directly with the CIA, 1535 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:06.920 and they were doing all sorts of mind control experiments, 1536 01:29:07.239 --> 01:29:11.199 and in You and Cameron's case, he was focused on 1537 01:29:11.680 --> 01:29:17.199 the surface level of curing things such as schizophrenia. 1538 01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:20.600 And I have a few articles, but we're also going. 1539 01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:25.640 To watch some clips where you'll see how dark some 1540 01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:29.439 of this stuff got and how it spills over into 1541 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:36.279 all of our favorite conspiratorial topics with brainwashing. 1542 01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:38.560 Project Monarch and the likes. 1543 01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:45.560 But we'll start with me reading off my cracked screen. 1544 01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:52.399 It's an article from the Canadian Encyclopedia written by Taylor C. 1545 01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:57.560 Noakes between nineteen fifty seven and nineteen sixty four, though 1546 01:29:57.640 --> 01:30:02.199 possibly beginning as early as nineteen forty eight. Psychiatric experiments 1547 01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:06.039 were conducted at the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal, a 1548 01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:11.880 psychiatric teaching hospital affiliated with McGill University. Scottish American psychiatrist 1549 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:16.600 doctor Donald Ewen Cameron led and conducted these experiments. The 1550 01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:19.439 program is widely believed to have been partly funded by 1551 01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:22.439 the US Central Intelligence Agency as part of their top 1552 01:30:22.479 --> 01:30:27.439 secret mk ULTR program. The Canadian government also funded the project. 1553 01:30:27.960 --> 01:30:31.079 The experiment's purpose was originally and officially listed as an 1554 01:30:31.079 --> 01:30:34.560 effort to find a cure for schizophrenia. However, in reality, 1555 01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:38.920 the project conducted illegal human experimentation to determine whether drugs 1556 01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:42.960 and psychological techniques could be used for the purposes. 1557 01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:43.359 Of mind control. 1558 01:30:43.920 --> 01:30:47.319 Officially, neither the United States nor Canada has admitted to 1559 01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:52.399 being responsible for the experiments. Wow Wow survivors have attempted 1560 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:54.720 to receive compensation with some success. 1561 01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:57.319 Wait, so they won't admit that they did it. 1562 01:30:58.800 --> 01:31:05.199 Well, there are instances such as with the Church. 1563 01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:09.800 Committee and I thank seventy five where this congressman from 1564 01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:14.079 Idaho brought all of this stuff MK Ultra Project Mockingbird, 1565 01:31:14.920 --> 01:31:18.560 among other things into the spotlight and they were said 1566 01:31:18.600 --> 01:31:22.760 to have ended all of it after that. But other 1567 01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:25.880 than that, I mean, the things that they were willing 1568 01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:29.159 to admit to were very minimal. And what they did 1569 01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:32.279 admit to they said, it's long stopped and. 1570 01:31:32.239 --> 01:31:35.119 We're not doing any of that anymore. Oh Fox, So yeah, 1571 01:31:35.159 --> 01:31:39.000 I mean, oh yeah. As far as accountability goes, I 1572 01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:39.760 can't tell. 1573 01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:41.239 You accountability zero. 1574 01:31:41.680 --> 01:31:45.680 I can't tell you the political process history. 1575 01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:50.680 That's how it's like. They're survivors who can say, yeah, 1576 01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:52.439 they did this stuff to me, and they're like, no, 1577 01:31:52.560 --> 01:31:53.000 we didn't. 1578 01:31:54.920 --> 01:31:57.920 So some background on this. The United States became interested 1579 01:31:57.920 --> 01:32:01.159 in mind control in the fifties after the war. It 1580 01:32:01.239 --> 01:32:04.079 was believed that North Korea, China, and the Soviet Union 1581 01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:08.319 had employed mind control techniques during the conflict, particularly on 1582 01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:12.960 American prisoners of war. Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan also 1583 01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:17.600 conducted unethical human experimentation during the Second World War, some 1584 01:32:17.680 --> 01:32:20.399 of which are believed to involve the use of drugs 1585 01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:24.319 for a mind control purposes. As a result, the US 1586 01:32:24.359 --> 01:32:26.680 felt it was behind in this respect. And this is 1587 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:32.279 what you see with everything, whether it's the arms race, 1588 01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:34.680 who can build a nuke first, whether it's who can 1589 01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:38.600 get to the moon first, or oh my god, they're doing. 1590 01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:42.680 Fucking mind control experiments in China, Russia and North Korea. 1591 01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:46.079 So now we got to do it. And that is. 1592 01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:49.560 Always what we are led to believe is the premise 1593 01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:52.760 of it. But when you get as deep as some 1594 01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:57.039 people have, one might start to think that these fucking 1595 01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:00.399 countries are working together as per trade. 1596 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:02.399 In George Orwell's nineteen eighty. 1597 01:33:02.159 --> 01:33:08.479 Four, we staged these wars sacrifice, you know, hundreds of thousands, 1598 01:33:08.760 --> 01:33:14.039 millions of people in the process, while we get enriched 1599 01:33:14.760 --> 01:33:21.680 building weapons, building fucking mind control techniques, faking space races 1600 01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:24.920 to build more weapons and whatever it is. But that 1601 01:33:25.079 --> 01:33:28.479 is what m k LTRA always when you read into it, 1602 01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:30.640 that's always the reason why they were doing it, and 1603 01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:33.399 we had to catch up and pass them. So to 1604 01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:36.640 get into doctor Cameron, if you didn't have anything to say, 1605 01:33:37.319 --> 01:33:41.239 go ahead, So Cameron. In nineteen forty three, he was 1606 01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:44.079 already a well known psychiatrist. He was invited to lead 1607 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:49.239 the new Allen Memorial Institute by famed Canadian neurologist. While 1608 01:33:49.319 --> 01:33:53.039 they're at Penfield, doctor Donald youw and Cameron, we're just 1609 01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:54.640 gonna call him Ewan I don't want to say his 1610 01:33:54.680 --> 01:33:59.199 full name every fucking time, would become the hospital's first director. 1611 01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:02.720 Cameron would also become the first chairman of McGill University's 1612 01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:11.279 psychiatry department. Well respected in his field, all right, Cameron 1613 01:34:11.399 --> 01:34:13.439 was Cameron. I don't we don't really need to get 1614 01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:17.239 into him. But this is just laying a foundation to 1615 01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:20.359 this next article I want to read, which is an 1616 01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:23.600 account that I think is going to be more in 1617 01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:28.880 depth than anything the Candian Encyclopedia could offer us. So 1618 01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:35.560 this is from a book and this is the afterword. 1619 01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:39.199 But I just found this when I was coming through 1620 01:34:39.239 --> 01:34:39.920 some files. 1621 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:42.119 I've got the documents. 1622 01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:50.000 This is written by a Professor David Harper of University 1623 01:34:50.039 --> 01:34:55.319 of East London and in the show notes, maybe Julia 1624 01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:57.319 will tell you what book this came from. 1625 01:34:57.479 --> 01:34:58.920 I don't want to go back because I had the 1626 01:34:59.039 --> 01:34:59.680 like pdf. 1627 01:34:59.680 --> 01:35:04.600 This the experiments at the heart of page Cooper's story 1628 01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:07.079 sounds as if they are straight out of a dystopian 1629 01:35:07.119 --> 01:35:10.560 conspiracy thriller. But they really happened already. I like the 1630 01:35:10.560 --> 01:35:11.560 direction of this article. 1631 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:12.640 Munch me too. 1632 01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:16.680 They were conducted in the nineteen fifties and early nineteen 1633 01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:20.279 sixty sixties by doctor Ewan Cameron, and they even fucking 1634 01:35:20.319 --> 01:35:23.840 shortened his name for us. A British born psychiatrist and 1635 01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:28.399 director of the Allen Memorial Institute in Montreal, Cameron sought 1636 01:35:28.439 --> 01:35:32.279 to develop what he saw as a revolutionary new psychiatric treatment, 1637 01:35:32.359 --> 01:35:35.840 but his experiments were secretly funded by the CIA as 1638 01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:40.520 part of what historian Alfred McCoy refers to as a 1639 01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:44.640 veritable Manhattan Project of the mind. Funny we just mentioned 1640 01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:51.560 that Cameron gave his procedures pseudoscientific names like depatterning and 1641 01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:53.039 psychic driving. 1642 01:35:53.479 --> 01:35:56.439 You will both be I mean both of us. 1643 01:35:56.359 --> 01:35:58.640 And our listeners will be familiar with at least the 1644 01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:00.800 latter deep. 1645 01:36:00.600 --> 01:36:03.199 Patterning, WEP with psychic driving. 1646 01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:06.439 He's the one who for the CIA was I mean, We're. 1647 01:36:06.279 --> 01:36:08.520 Gonna watch a video after I read this article of 1648 01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:12.079 a guy it's more sad than anything that was shown 1649 01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:17.399 in the the UH Houston, Texas Kidnapping scheme documentary. It's 1650 01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:22.600 we're gonna show a few clips from it, but anyway, Yeah, 1651 01:36:22.680 --> 01:36:26.279 Cameron gave his procedures to He varied them over time 1652 01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:29.119 and from patient to patient, but they typically involved the 1653 01:36:29.159 --> 01:36:34.199 mix of the following number one drug induced coma. Each 1654 01:36:34.319 --> 01:36:38.119 experimental treatment for Cameron's patients, two thirds of who were women, 1655 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:41.479 which we did say earlier, two thirds, that's a big 1656 01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:45.680 fucking number, would usually begin and conclude with quote sleep 1657 01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:49.760 therapy end quote, i e. A coma induced by administering 1658 01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:55.159 barbiturates number two deep patterning. During the drug induced sleep, 1659 01:36:55.239 --> 01:36:58.319 patients would be woken up for feeding the toilet and 1660 01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:02.239 to be given regular electroc which would start after about 1661 01:37:02.239 --> 01:37:06.039 three days of sleep. The combined sleep electric shock quote 1662 01:37:06.079 --> 01:37:09.720 treatment in quote lasted between fifteen to thirty days, sometimes 1663 01:37:09.800 --> 01:37:12.840 up to sixty five days. So that patients did not 1664 01:37:12.880 --> 01:37:15.880 harm themselves as a result of the epileptic seizures caused 1665 01:37:15.920 --> 01:37:20.560 by the electroshock, they were immobilized with muscle relaxant drugs 1666 01:37:20.640 --> 01:37:24.720 like carreer. In the standard electroshock therapy of the times, 1667 01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:27.840 doctors would give patients a single dose of one hundred 1668 01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:30.399 and ten volts, lasting a fraction of a second every 1669 01:37:30.439 --> 01:37:34.159 one or two days. However, by contrast, according to John Marx, 1670 01:37:34.840 --> 01:37:39.239 quote Cameron used to form twenty to forty times more intense, 1671 01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:42.720 two or three times daily with the power turned up 1672 01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:45.640 to one hundred and fifty volts into quote. So he 1673 01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:49.479 up to forty and did it longer. Cameron's aim, as 1674 01:37:49.520 --> 01:37:54.319 stated in his journal article and Comprehensive Psychiatry in nineteen 1675 01:37:54.359 --> 01:37:59.079 sixty two, was to cause disorientation and confusion via quote 1676 01:37:59.079 --> 01:38:03.479 massive end quote and quote pervasive end quote, memory disturbance. 1677 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:07.000 After this, According to his article, a patient might be 1678 01:38:07.159 --> 01:38:10.600 quote unable to walk without support to feed himself, and 1679 01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:14.520 he may show double incontinence in quote he shitt himself 1680 01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:21.199 double time. WHOA number three psychic driving patients were next 1681 01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:25.640 subjected to negative taped messages e g. Mother hates me. 1682 01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:28.880 The aim was to quote get rid of unwanted behavior 1683 01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:31.640 in quote, and then this would be followed by positive 1684 01:38:31.680 --> 01:38:37.039 messages quote to condition in desired personality traits end quote. 1685 01:38:37.119 --> 01:38:40.960 The messages taken from recordings of Cameron's interview with patients. 1686 01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:44.239 Were played repetitively on a tape loop system via loud 1687 01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:48.359 speakers or a football helmet contraption for sixteen hours a 1688 01:38:48.439 --> 01:38:49.840 day for several weeks. 1689 01:38:50.359 --> 01:38:52.640 And we're going to show a clip of a very 1690 01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:57.039 unfortunate example of this. Cameron sought to intensify the effect 1691 01:38:57.079 --> 01:39:01.239 by placing his patients in a sensory depor vision quote 1692 01:39:01.399 --> 01:39:05.159 box end quote. We're talking Joe Rogan and stranger things 1693 01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:08.359 in the stables of the hospital and giving them cocktails 1694 01:39:08.359 --> 01:39:11.640 of drugs which would immobilize them but keep them awake 1695 01:39:11.720 --> 01:39:16.479 whilst they experienced hallucinations induced by psychedelic drugs val or 1696 01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:21.319 lick cow something like that. Described her experience as quote 1697 01:39:21.439 --> 01:39:25.000 terrifying end quote. She received LSD one to four times 1698 01:39:25.039 --> 01:39:29.239 a week, goddamn together with either a stimulant or this 1699 01:39:29.279 --> 01:39:33.079 is like manson shit with either a stimulant or depressant, 1700 01:39:33.119 --> 01:39:35.079 and then was left on her own to listen to 1701 01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:38.960 tape playing excerpts for last session of her last session 1702 01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:46.279 with Cameron. This is carrying insanity, everybody not inducing it. 1703 01:39:46.760 --> 01:39:49.199 Jesus Christ, someone needs some help. 1704 01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:53.359 And this I'm flabbergett. I'm speechless. 1705 01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:55.640 Oh, as far as mk Ulter goes, this is like 1706 01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:59.640 one of several fucking ways they were doing this weird. 1707 01:40:01.279 --> 01:40:04.560 He makes all the shit that we're led to believe 1708 01:40:04.720 --> 01:40:07.199 was the worst thing that ever happened in Nazi Germany 1709 01:40:07.359 --> 01:40:09.720 makes it. I mean, then it was a spillover effect 1710 01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:12.600 because a lot of these fuckers that came over via 1711 01:40:13.359 --> 01:40:16.640 via paper clip were the ones doing this stuff. 1712 01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:19.239 Starting to wonder if they didn't do this to you know, 1713 01:40:19.800 --> 01:40:20.880 Q four what. 1714 01:40:21.079 --> 01:40:24.680 That quation when you told me the story of that guy, 1715 01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:30.359 It just reminded me of like if I don't know 1716 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:35.640 name your favorite filmmaker made stranger things and you would 1717 01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:36.640 have that guy like. 1718 01:40:37.600 --> 01:40:39.159 It's just a crazy story. 1719 01:40:39.239 --> 01:40:43.920 They drove him to non anyway, Yeah, I agree. Oh 1720 01:40:44.279 --> 01:40:50.119 they're giving patients names here too. Anyway, val or lecow. 1721 01:40:52.439 --> 01:40:52.800 She was. 1722 01:40:53.039 --> 01:40:56.119 Yes, she was given LSD and stimulants and then made 1723 01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:58.600 to listen to her last tape sessions. In the case 1724 01:40:58.600 --> 01:41:02.359 of a patient named Mary, Cameron kept her in his 1725 01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:06.960 sensory deprivation box for thirty five days. I mean, this 1726 01:41:07.000 --> 01:41:08.960 is what they do to punish people in prison, is 1727 01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:11.199 solitary confinement. Let alone sensory. 1728 01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:15.159 Her in a sensory deprivation box for thirty five days. 1729 01:41:15.479 --> 01:41:20.960 Let's saying here gave her repeated electro shocks and drug Sorry, 1730 01:41:21.039 --> 01:41:21.760 go ahead. 1731 01:41:23.239 --> 01:41:26.800 If you want to turn No, I'm just the torture 1732 01:41:26.880 --> 01:41:30.239 thirty five days comma gave her repeated electro shocks whilst 1733 01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:33.000 she was in drug induced comma, after which she endured 1734 01:41:33.039 --> 01:41:36.000 one hundred and one days of quote psychic driving in 1735 01:41:36.119 --> 01:41:39.039 quote at the end of her quote treatment end quote. 1736 01:41:39.079 --> 01:41:42.439 According to Cameron, quote, no favorable results were obtained in. 1737 01:41:42.560 --> 01:41:45.600 Quote oh weird, my God, a. 1738 01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:48.640 Result that comes as little surprise with the link with 1739 01:41:48.720 --> 01:41:53.399 the CIA emerged only after years of dogged investigation. In 1740 01:41:53.479 --> 01:41:56.560 nineteen seventy four of The New York Times published an 1741 01:41:56.680 --> 01:42:00.960 article by Seymour Hirsh about unconstitutional CIA activities, based in 1742 01:42:01.039 --> 01:42:04.600 part on an internal report. Yeah, this is what I 1743 01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:07.520 was talking about earlier. The CIA called the family Jewels. 1744 01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:11.880 That was the Church Committee. Hersh's article sparked investigations by 1745 01:42:11.920 --> 01:42:15.720 President Ford's Rockefeller Commission. Ah, they're back in the US 1746 01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:18.920 Senate's Church Committee. It was revealed that the CIA had 1747 01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:21.680 used LSD on the unsuspected members of the public in 1748 01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:24.640 the US, and then nineteen fifty three, Frank Wolson, a 1749 01:42:24.840 --> 01:42:28.079 US Army biological warfare specialist had fallen to his death 1750 01:42:28.119 --> 01:42:29.760 from the tenth floor went to see. 1751 01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:31.760 What I'm telling I knew he was not running this shit. 1752 01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:33.680 He was an innocent contractor. 1753 01:42:34.479 --> 01:42:38.680 Well he got fucked, is what he got. But he what. 1754 01:42:40.840 --> 01:42:41.079 To get. 1755 01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:43.279 Well, yeah, we could get into Frank Olson. Julie and 1756 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:46.199 I have both gone into him on other episodes about 1757 01:42:46.239 --> 01:42:50.119 how he got dosed at this like outing in the 1758 01:42:50.159 --> 01:42:52.960 woods and then he started fucking freaking out about what 1759 01:42:53.039 --> 01:42:54.760 he was a part of, and he was wanting to 1760 01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:57.800 talk and then they threw him from it. I know 1761 01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:01.520 a lot of people think that he was on acid 1762 01:43:01.560 --> 01:43:03.359 and he jumped to his death, but those are just 1763 01:43:03.399 --> 01:43:11.039 regards that think that closed window. Only the truest of 1764 01:43:11.079 --> 01:43:14.960 you will get that reference, all right. Frank Wilson had 1765 01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:18.319 fallen to his death from a tenth floor window, silled 1766 01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:21.840 after days after being given LSD without his knowledge or permission. However, 1767 01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:25.840 the investigations were hampered by the fact that CIA director 1768 01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:29.319 Richard Holmes had ordered all records be destroyed by seventy three, 1769 01:43:29.760 --> 01:43:33.680 but in seventy seven, sixteen thousand pages of documents relating 1770 01:43:33.720 --> 01:43:37.279 to the CIA's financial history were found following a foyer 1771 01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:41.319 by John Marx, a former State Department employee turned art 1772 01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:45.439 turned author. Marx and his research team managed to identify 1773 01:43:45.560 --> 01:43:48.199 and interview some of those involved in In nineteen seventy nine, 1774 01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:51.800 he published that such for the Mancherian Candidate, the CIA 1775 01:43:51.920 --> 01:43:55.119 and Mind Control. This revealed that Cameron had begun to 1776 01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:58.000 receive money for his research from the CIA in nineteen 1777 01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:02.079 fifty seven. And then it's funny too, because in nineteen 1778 01:44:02.199 --> 01:44:03.399 fifty eight what's his name. 1779 01:44:03.279 --> 01:44:05.920 Moved into the other place. This is all that going on. Oh, 1780 01:44:06.039 --> 01:44:07.720 at the same time, this is like a movie. 1781 01:44:08.199 --> 01:44:10.760 You could just do a movie like from fifty five 1782 01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:11.880 to the early sixties. 1783 01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:15.479 And anyway, okay. 1784 01:44:15.399 --> 01:44:17.640 Cameron had begun to receive money for his research from 1785 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:21.319 the CIA in fifty seven via front organization called the 1786 01:44:21.319 --> 01:44:26.279 the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology Good name. 1787 01:44:26.960 --> 01:44:30.760 Mark showed that Cameron's research was Subproject sixty eight of 1788 01:44:30.880 --> 01:44:34.720 an extensive CIA. So you guys even wonder they kind 1789 01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:37.439 of in the other article glossed over that it's rumored, 1790 01:44:38.359 --> 01:44:40.920 And now we have documents proving that this guy was 1791 01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:45.319 directly funded as a Subproject sixty eight them an extensive 1792 01:44:45.359 --> 01:44:48.520 CIA funded program of research into brainwashing and quote mind 1793 01:44:48.520 --> 01:44:52.119 control in quote run by doctor Sidney Gottlieb. That's the 1794 01:44:52.319 --> 01:44:55.600 head daddy of fucking mk LT poisoner in chief, a 1795 01:44:55.680 --> 01:44:59.239 chemist who was the head of the CIA's Technical Service 1796 01:44:59.279 --> 01:45:05.159 Division TA. The overall research program involved many leading psychologists, psychiatrists, 1797 01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:08.439 and social scientists, some who were aware of the CIA's 1798 01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:11.479 role and some who were not. It was called k 1799 01:45:12.479 --> 01:45:15.960 MK meant it was a TSD project. And also that's 1800 01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:19.119 a German thing, the MK part. They left that out, 1801 01:45:19.239 --> 01:45:22.199 and Ultra was a code name. According to Marx, CIA 1802 01:45:22.239 --> 01:45:27.239 officials would travel periodically to observe Cameron's work, something Page 1803 01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:28.840 Cooper alludes to in her. 1804 01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:31.399 Story Big Circle, of course. 1805 01:45:33.319 --> 01:45:36.479 So we're gonna watch clips from this what they're talking 1806 01:45:36.479 --> 01:45:39.960 about after I get done read in the article from this. 1807 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:46.119 Nineteen eighty the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation the CBC fifth the 1808 01:45:46.159 --> 01:45:51.640 State program broadcasting investigation Cameron's experiments, including interviews with several 1809 01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:56.159 of Cameron's former patients. In the subsequent decade, three books 1810 01:45:56.199 --> 01:45:59.079 on the studies were published, including Ann Collins in the 1811 01:45:59.159 --> 01:46:01.359 sleep Room and We're going to watch a video about 1812 01:46:01.399 --> 01:46:04.840 the sleep Room, based on interviews with former patients In 1813 01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:07.680 nineteen eighty eight, the CIA finally agreed to an out 1814 01:46:07.680 --> 01:46:13.399 of court settlement with nine nine of Cameron's former patients, 1815 01:46:13.560 --> 01:46:18.279 and there were hundreds, including Mary Morrow, who inspired the 1816 01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:22.680 character of Joy's stepmother de Rota in Page Cooper's story. 1817 01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:25.720 I'm sorry that there's no context for who Page Cooper is, 1818 01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:28.359 but she's somebody who they were talking to before they 1819 01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:29.119 wrote this book. 1820 01:46:29.199 --> 01:46:32.239 But anyway, it led them to dig into this more. 1821 01:46:32.920 --> 01:46:36.800 Morrow, a doctor, had approached Cameron for a fellowship in psychiatry, 1822 01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:39.439 but he decided to admit her as a patient, claiming 1823 01:46:39.520 --> 01:46:44.119 she appeared quote nervous end quote she underwent Cameron's quote 1824 01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:48.319 deep patterning end quote regime of electro shock and barbituates 1825 01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:52.039 for eleven days. In nineteen ninety two, the Canadian government 1826 01:46:52.479 --> 01:46:57.279 agreed to pay compensation to seventy seven former patients on 1827 01:46:57.399 --> 01:47:00.720 condition that they agreed not to sue the government or 1828 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:04.079 the hospital, but hundreds of other former patients were left 1829 01:47:04.119 --> 01:47:10.039 without shit. They said, compensation, but it's shit. The story 1830 01:47:10.039 --> 01:47:13.239 of Cameron's experiments is a long and complicated one, but 1831 01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:16.439 he should not be regarded as a rogue. As a 1832 01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:20.000 rogue Maverick during his time as director of the Allen 1833 01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:23.520 Memorial Institute. He was president in turn of the American 1834 01:47:23.560 --> 01:47:31.399 Psychiatric Association, the Canadian Psychiatric Association, and the World Psychiatric 1835 01:47:32.119 --> 01:47:38.000 Psychiatric Association, the World and American and Canadian. In the 1836 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:41.640 nineteen fifties, the numbers of people in psychiatric hospitals were 1837 01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:44.840 at their peak and provided a captive population on which 1838 01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:52.000 overly optimistic psychiatrists could try out experimental methods with few safeguards. 1839 01:47:52.560 --> 01:47:56.479 These were the days, for example, when lobotomies were routinely practiced. 1840 01:47:56.520 --> 01:48:00.920 As we've covered, poorly designed studies such as Camemans were 1841 01:48:00.960 --> 01:48:04.800 published openly in mainstream psychiatric journals all the fucking time. 1842 01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:09.720 In nineteen fifty five, Canadads Weekend magazine even included an 1843 01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:14.960 article on Cameron's work entitled quote Canadian psychiatrist developed beneficial 1844 01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:19.399 brainwashing clever beneficial brainwashing. I think we're going to watch 1845 01:48:19.399 --> 01:48:23.840 a clip that calls that a rather blatant oxymoron. Patients 1846 01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:28.039 and families deferred to the authority of psychiatrists. I thought 1847 01:48:28.039 --> 01:48:32.600 he was God, val Or Lecou said of Cameron, we 1848 01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:35.119 talked about her earlier. I think she was the one 1849 01:48:35.119 --> 01:48:38.039 that was like in a fucking tank for thirty five 1850 01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:41.279 days or whatever, and the CIA's research program began in 1851 01:48:41.319 --> 01:48:45.199 the midst of paranoia and suspicion about quote communist brainwashing 1852 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:48.640 in quote following show trials in Moscow and Eastern Europe 1853 01:48:48.960 --> 01:48:52.279 and the coerced quote confessions end quote of captured US 1854 01:48:52.399 --> 01:48:55.920 servicemen in Korea in the early fifties. But this initially 1855 01:48:55.960 --> 01:49:01.119 defensive purpose was transformed and the program's results into manuals 1856 01:49:01.159 --> 01:49:05.119 the CIA used themselves and in the training of interrogators 1857 01:49:05.119 --> 01:49:07.880 in countries allied with the US or and the Cold War. 1858 01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:12.960 An important lesson is that such paranoia, combined with secrecy 1859 01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:15.399 and a lack of oversight and accountability, can eat it 1860 01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:19.319 only lead to abuses, something also seeing in the UK's 1861 01:49:19.399 --> 01:49:23.039 use of interrogation techniques in Kenya's in the fifties and 1862 01:49:23.239 --> 01:49:28.439 Northern Ireland in the seventies. Following the attacks in New 1863 01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:32.399 York on eleven September two thousand and one, the Bush 1864 01:49:32.399 --> 01:49:37.760 administration embraced quote enhanced interrogation in quotes methods like waterboarding 1865 01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:43.520 water boarding, abandoning well established legal norms. Once again, some 1866 01:49:43.720 --> 01:49:49.640 psychologists proved willing to help design psychological interrogation techniques we 1867 01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:53.439 forgot the lessons of history then, and unless we keep 1868 01:49:53.479 --> 01:49:56.560 retelling the stories of the past, it is likely we 1869 01:49:56.600 --> 01:49:59.760 will forget them again in the future, and goddamn it, 1870 01:49:59.800 --> 01:50:07.079 we have. I would say that guy Ewan, Yeah, he's 1871 01:50:07.119 --> 01:50:08.000 a rogue maverick. 1872 01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:11.800 No fucking I mean, I would call him a rogue maverick. 1873 01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:13.199 It doesn't mean he was good. 1874 01:50:13.800 --> 01:50:16.680 He had he had some key backing, of course, as 1875 01:50:16.720 --> 01:50:21.640 they always do. I would say him and doctor Sidney 1876 01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:24.640 Cohen are two people that you would want to look 1877 01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:28.640 into when you want to see Gottlieb is the head 1878 01:50:28.640 --> 01:50:28.920 of him. 1879 01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:30.840 K Ultra Fuck that guy. 1880 01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:34.680 It was like fucking Operation Artichoke or some ship first, 1881 01:50:34.720 --> 01:50:35.800 and then. 1882 01:50:36.199 --> 01:50:38.159 That's what Frank Olsen was involved with. 1883 01:50:38.319 --> 01:50:40.920 Yeah, Frank Olsen was this guy contracting them. He was 1884 01:50:40.960 --> 01:50:44.520 a fucking government scientist and he got entangled in this 1885 01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:48.880 and took the dive. But yeah, anyway, I would say 1886 01:50:48.880 --> 01:50:51.640 Sidney Cohen looking to him, he's the guy who gave LSD. 1887 01:50:51.840 --> 01:50:54.199 If you listen to a COULD series, he gave LSD 1888 01:50:54.439 --> 01:50:57.720 to What the fuck was the guy's name? Who did Sinnanan? 1889 01:50:58.880 --> 01:50:59.199 Chuck? 1890 01:50:59.720 --> 01:50:59.920 Chuck? 1891 01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:05.119 Didrich? Yes, Didric and many others. I think he gave 1892 01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:05.479 it to. 1893 01:51:07.119 --> 01:51:12.720 Carry Grant other notable people probably intermingled with the rat 1894 01:51:12.760 --> 01:51:14.520 Pack and the Laurel Canyon fucks. 1895 01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:18.359 Say, you have pointed out to me that I have 1896 01:51:18.640 --> 01:51:22.960 remembered wrong some stuff about Frank Olsen in past episodes. 1897 01:51:23.560 --> 01:51:24.960 Are we gonna rehash this year? 1898 01:51:25.079 --> 01:51:27.359 No, I'm not rehashed and shit, I'm just saying I 1899 01:51:27.399 --> 01:51:31.319 go off my memory and sometimes I get like dates 1900 01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:32.720 and certain thing. 1901 01:51:32.920 --> 01:51:37.079 Yeah, you focused on the Frank Olsen story after reading 1902 01:51:37.119 --> 01:51:40.199 that book by what's his name, the Richeald Belzer. 1903 01:51:40.199 --> 01:51:41.199 The stand up comedian. 1904 01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:43.119 Yeah, Robert Belzer. 1905 01:51:43.159 --> 01:51:45.000 I think it's Richard Richard Belzer. 1906 01:51:45.279 --> 01:51:48.199 But yeah, Frank Olsen was not in charge of him Kilter, 1907 01:51:48.319 --> 01:51:51.520 but he was one of the first casualty fuck ups internally. 1908 01:51:51.880 --> 01:51:54.319 I mean, these fuckers were dosing each other at parties, 1909 01:51:54.359 --> 01:51:57.479 they were doing. Operation Climax is probably one a lot 1910 01:51:57.479 --> 01:51:59.319 of people have looked into, if not look into, that 1911 01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:03.199 they were getting hookers to bring John's back to places 1912 01:52:03.199 --> 01:52:06.920 with two way mirrors. However, this is not an MK 1913 01:52:07.119 --> 01:52:12.079 ultracentric episode, but it's worth looking into. But the spillover 1914 01:52:12.159 --> 01:52:17.439 into the asylums and the experiments that went on there, 1915 01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:19.800 So we did get a good taste of that. But 1916 01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:23.600 I do want to show some clips from a documentary 1917 01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:26.439 that is seeming to be covering a movie that they're 1918 01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:31.600 making about these events, but they actually like interlace real 1919 01:52:31.680 --> 01:52:35.520 documentary footage. So I clipped some stuff where it just 1920 01:52:35.560 --> 01:52:39.239 shows the real shit. And did you have anything you 1921 01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:40.039 wanted to say? 1922 01:52:40.279 --> 01:52:43.159 No, I'm curious to see what these clips are. 1923 01:52:43.520 --> 01:52:45.600 Oh, it looks like it's just one big long one. 1924 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:49.680 It's about six minutes, So pause for a pee break 1925 01:52:50.079 --> 01:52:52.920 and get your little ones out of the room, you crazy. 1926 01:52:52.560 --> 01:52:54.680 Fox if you've got them in there. Anyway, it's a 1927 01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:56.039 cosmic peach. I hope not. 1928 01:52:57.439 --> 01:53:00.640 Some people is down with the peach in front of 1929 01:53:00.680 --> 01:53:01.279 their kids. 1930 01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:07.760 I am, but this instance, keep the little ones away. 1931 01:53:08.520 --> 01:53:12.960 So this is going to be going into doctor Ewan Cameron, 1932 01:53:13.000 --> 01:53:16.359 who we've been talking about, speaking and then some tragic stories. 1933 01:53:16.359 --> 01:53:18.359 We've got about a six minute clip, and then we'll 1934 01:53:18.399 --> 01:53:22.880 give our closing arguments and maybe lick our middle fingers 1935 01:53:22.920 --> 01:53:25.920 and tease for next week or week or whatever. 1936 01:53:25.960 --> 01:53:27.239 It's going to fucking be I don't. 1937 01:53:27.039 --> 01:53:30.920 Know, to the point where he is destroying the minds 1938 01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:32.119 of hundreds of people. 1939 01:53:32.520 --> 01:53:34.720 These are the days and hours. 1940 01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:35.520 Of the occasion. 1941 01:53:35.680 --> 01:53:40.199 Inspired by the exuberant post war optimism in technology, Cameron 1942 01:53:40.239 --> 01:53:44.199 thought he'd achieved a major scientific breakthrough how to repair 1943 01:53:44.359 --> 01:53:49.399 a damaged human mind. The media rejoiced, even coined a 1944 01:53:49.439 --> 01:53:54.920 phrase which would become a tragically silly oxymoron, beneficial brainwashing. 1945 01:53:56.720 --> 01:54:00.319 Linda McDonald was a young mother with five children the 1946 01:54:00.359 --> 01:54:04.039 age of five when she started feeling low. Her family 1947 01:54:04.119 --> 01:54:06.079 doctor knew just the man to make her better. 1948 01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:10.039 I was tired, I was depressed. My back was hurting, 1949 01:54:10.920 --> 01:54:14.079 and so he said to the children's father, why don't 1950 01:54:14.119 --> 01:54:17.840 you go to Montreal and visit this doctor Ewan Camera, 1951 01:54:17.920 --> 01:54:22.119 this famous man who has all of these accolades, and 1952 01:54:22.279 --> 01:54:23.239 have an assessment. 1953 01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:26.479 So we went. 1954 01:54:27.720 --> 01:54:31.239 My medical file even says that I took my guitar. 1955 01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:31.640 With me. 1956 01:54:33.159 --> 01:54:38.880 And that was the end of my life. Within three weeks, 1957 01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:43.039 doctor Cameron decided to call me in acute schizophrenic and 1958 01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:44.680 ship me up to the sleep room. 1959 01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:46.960 How long did they put you to sleep? 1960 01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:47.159 For? 1961 01:54:48.119 --> 01:54:52.439 I was in a coma for eighty six days, eighty 1962 01:54:52.560 --> 01:54:56.760 sixties unbroken sleep, total comatose state. 1963 01:54:58.119 --> 01:55:02.159 The theory was simple, her a disturbed mind and start 1964 01:55:02.239 --> 01:55:05.279 all over again. One of doctor Cameron's colleagues at the 1965 01:55:05.279 --> 01:55:06.880 time was doctor Peter Roper. 1966 01:55:07.520 --> 01:55:11.000 The aim, I think really was to wipe out the 1967 01:55:11.039 --> 01:55:16.479 patents of thought and behavior which were detrimental to the 1968 01:55:16.560 --> 01:55:21.319 patient which was sick, and replaced them with healthy patents 1969 01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:25.640 of thought and behavior. I think this may have been 1970 01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:32.800 stimulated by the effects of the American prisoners of war 1971 01:55:32.880 --> 01:55:36.279 and career, how they seemed to have been brainwashed. 1972 01:55:37.840 --> 01:55:42.520 The movie called The Sleep Room dramatizes one technique for brainwashing, 1973 01:55:42.880 --> 01:55:47.920 extreme sessions of electroshock therapy massive jolts of electricity, three 1974 01:55:48.119 --> 01:55:52.319 or four times a day for weeks. According to her 1975 01:55:52.359 --> 01:55:57.079 hospital records, Linda MacDonald had one hundred of these treatments. 1976 01:55:58.359 --> 01:56:00.720 She entered hospital for treatment of what we can now 1977 01:56:00.800 --> 01:56:04.640 guess was postpartum depression. Her records show the results of 1978 01:56:04.680 --> 01:56:09.800 shock and radical drug therapy. May fifteenth shows some confusion. 1979 01:56:10.359 --> 01:56:14.279 June third knows her name, but that's about all. June 1980 01:56:14.279 --> 01:56:16.399 eleventh doesn't know her name. 1981 01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:20.479 I had to be toilet trained. I was a vegetable. 1982 01:56:21.119 --> 01:56:23.680 I had no identity, I had no memory. I'd never 1983 01:56:23.840 --> 01:56:27.680 existed in the world before, like a baby, Just like 1984 01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:30.000 a baby that has to be toilet trained. 1985 01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:34.119 She eventually went home, her depression gone and her entire 1986 01:56:34.319 --> 01:56:35.960 previous life gone with it. 1987 01:56:36.319 --> 01:56:38.279 This is one of the twins. 1988 01:56:39.359 --> 01:56:41.199 It was in sixty two before I went to the 1989 01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:43.880 alum and this is the same one. 1990 01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:44.479 I think. 1991 01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:47.560 I just look at the pictures and I know who 1992 01:56:47.600 --> 01:56:51.920 that is, who they are, but I don't remember them 1993 01:56:52.079 --> 01:56:55.319 as my children at all. I mean, I know that 1994 01:56:55.359 --> 01:57:01.760 they came from my body, but there's no so that's 1995 01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:04.760 all I don't know. And that's because I was told that, 1996 01:57:05.439 --> 01:57:06.720 so these are my children. 1997 01:57:10.039 --> 01:57:12.800 Robert Logi was little more than a child himself when 1998 01:57:12.840 --> 01:57:16.079 he was referred to doctor Cameron. He was eighteen. He 1999 01:57:16.159 --> 01:57:19.079 had a sore leg. His doctor thought it was all 2000 01:57:19.119 --> 01:57:21.800 in his head and sent him to the Allen. Like 2001 01:57:21.920 --> 01:57:24.920 Lynda McDonald, he went through a nightmare of shock therapy 2002 01:57:25.000 --> 01:57:27.520 and drugs including lsd. 2003 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:30.199 Well I was given els to you about every second 2004 01:57:30.279 --> 01:57:37.039 day and injected and sometimes it was mixed with sody 2005 01:57:37.079 --> 01:57:38.920 mamatal and other drugs. 2006 01:57:39.479 --> 01:57:41.359 Idiot Park one on one tape two. 2007 01:57:42.479 --> 01:57:46.319 Most of the drugs were experimental but seemed suitable for brainwashing, 2008 01:57:46.399 --> 01:57:50.199 or as Cameron preferred to call it, deep hatterning. Then 2009 01:57:50.359 --> 01:57:53.520 during the long sleep, the patient would be forced to 2010 01:57:53.560 --> 01:57:57.039 listen to subliminal messages that were supposed to print new, 2011 01:57:57.439 --> 01:58:00.439 sometimes bizarre thoughts on his blank mind. 2012 01:58:01.920 --> 01:58:05.399 I was aware of the speaker under my pillow. I 2013 01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:08.960 was aware of the words, which where you killed your mother, 2014 01:58:09.399 --> 01:58:12.920 you kill your mother? Yeah, who was alive? And well, 2015 01:58:13.079 --> 01:58:16.479 who was alive? Amount and. 2016 01:58:17.800 --> 01:58:18.680 Over and over again. 2017 01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:21.720 This voice is well, like I say, it takes about 2018 01:58:21.720 --> 01:58:25.239 two seconds to say that message. And this was going 2019 01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:30.199 on for twenty three days. And when I went home 2020 01:58:30.680 --> 01:58:33.600 after being there, and when I went home, my mother 2021 01:58:33.680 --> 01:58:38.399 was there and why was she there? And didn't make 2022 01:58:38.399 --> 01:58:38.920 any sense? 2023 01:58:39.880 --> 01:58:43.520 So what was going on here? Doctor Ewan Cameron was 2024 01:58:43.560 --> 01:58:47.159 at one point head of the World Psychiatric Association and 2025 01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:50.800 is still admired by some of his former colleagues. Doctor 2026 01:58:50.840 --> 01:58:52.520 Peter Roper, what is. 2027 01:58:52.439 --> 01:58:57.319 The possibility that we had a good, well motivated man 2028 01:58:57.359 --> 01:59:02.640 whose ego and ambition took charge of his professionalism and 2029 01:59:02.760 --> 01:59:05.239 led him into some very direct places. 2030 01:59:09.600 --> 01:59:13.960 Well, I would put that chances pretty slight. I think 2031 01:59:13.960 --> 01:59:19.800 it's more likely that if he'd been around to defend 2032 01:59:19.880 --> 01:59:23.479 himself when this story came out, we would have a 2033 01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:25.800 totally different picture of it. 2034 01:59:26.119 --> 01:59:28.600 What would he say, put yourself in hissue. What would 2035 01:59:28.600 --> 01:59:28.960 he say. 2036 01:59:30.079 --> 01:59:35.079 I think it'd say, Look, I treated these patients to 2037 01:59:35.159 --> 01:59:40.640 the best of my ability. I didn't get all of 2038 01:59:40.680 --> 01:59:43.399 them well, but most of them I got better than 2039 01:59:43.399 --> 01:59:43.800 they were. 2040 01:59:46.239 --> 01:59:51.039 So once again, that's it. That's the fifth estate. And 2041 01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:54.159 I will give Julia the links for these all the 2042 01:59:54.159 --> 01:59:56.079 clips that we've showed, and she'll put them in the 2043 01:59:56.079 --> 01:59:58.640 show notes for you. I'd recommend watching all of it, 2044 01:59:59.319 --> 02:00:02.920 but as you can see, zero accountability from a close 2045 02:00:02.960 --> 02:00:05.520 colleague still alive, wearing a lap coat. 2046 02:00:05.279 --> 02:00:05.800 In the interview. 2047 02:00:05.800 --> 02:00:08.319 I don't know if they're trying to imply he's still practicing. 2048 02:00:08.439 --> 02:00:13.039 I fucking hope not. But uh yeah, some of it 2049 02:00:13.119 --> 02:00:16.640 was a success, like, for example, that first woman who 2050 02:00:17.520 --> 02:00:20.680 went home not depressed, but you know what, she had. 2051 02:00:20.520 --> 02:00:23.399 No memory of any of her life. It's like that 2052 02:00:23.479 --> 02:00:26.960 movie The Long Kiss Good Night with Geena Davis and 2053 02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:28.000 Samuel L. Jackson. 2054 02:00:28.079 --> 02:00:34.199 But anyway, when you start thinking about MK ultra. 2055 02:00:35.720 --> 02:00:37.760 Offshoots that still are not. 2056 02:00:39.520 --> 02:00:42.680 You know, technically acknowledged, such as Monarch, and you look 2057 02:00:42.720 --> 02:00:45.880 at what they were doing to these people. This is 2058 02:00:45.960 --> 02:00:51.000 the nineteen fifties, and then you start to see oddities 2059 02:00:51.119 --> 02:00:54.960 with pop culture. The Laurel Canyon scene. 2060 02:00:55.039 --> 02:00:58.199 Manchuran candidate type shit, and a lot of people were willing. 2061 02:00:57.960 --> 02:01:01.560 To just wash this stuff out, throw the baby out 2062 02:01:01.560 --> 02:01:05.960 with the bathtub, as JJ would say, and just assume 2063 02:01:06.720 --> 02:01:11.680 that it's all an exaggeration. But they were putting an 2064 02:01:11.720 --> 02:01:14.960 infinite amount of resources into this stuff. We see the 2065 02:01:15.000 --> 02:01:19.279 aftermath of it today, and even though this is a 2066 02:01:19.319 --> 02:01:25.000 mental health slash insanity centric episode, you do have to 2067 02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:29.039 start wondering, like you're seeing the techniques developed. Yes, they 2068 02:01:29.039 --> 02:01:34.079 were using these people, these throwaways as guinea pigs, but 2069 02:01:34.159 --> 02:01:35.880 what did they do after this anyway? 2070 02:01:36.920 --> 02:01:42.439 Closing arguments, of course not there's no way. 2071 02:01:42.560 --> 02:01:49.560 It's spilled over into the entertainment industry, politics, every facet 2072 02:01:49.600 --> 02:01:51.439 of your life. They where you want to think this 2073 02:01:51.560 --> 02:01:57.600 stuff doesn't exist. But yeah, the mentally ill are a 2074 02:01:57.720 --> 02:02:04.560 large part of the research that led to this furthering 2075 02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:07.319 of this kind of shit. 2076 02:02:07.359 --> 02:02:10.239 It's the psychic driving the deep patterning. 2077 02:02:10.880 --> 02:02:14.000 These are fucking terms that are acknowledged in the mainstream 2078 02:02:14.039 --> 02:02:17.960 that this guy was developing in this place and he 2079 02:02:18.079 --> 02:02:20.960 never lived to see his day in court, and he's 2080 02:02:21.000 --> 02:02:24.119 got a colleague willing to defend him right now, Well, 2081 02:02:24.319 --> 02:02:26.880 I don't know what this was made, but it was 2082 02:02:27.119 --> 02:02:29.520 more recent, of course than that first documentary. 2083 02:02:30.279 --> 02:02:34.359 They put that woman asleep for eighty six. 2084 02:02:34.239 --> 02:02:42.439 Days, and then how about that poor kid in with 2085 02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:45.560 acid every other day. It almost seems like this was 2086 02:02:45.640 --> 02:02:46.199 kind of like. 2087 02:02:46.119 --> 02:02:47.600 That thing going on in Houston. 2088 02:02:48.479 --> 02:02:50.640 If you can get end up in this program from 2089 02:02:50.640 --> 02:02:53.119 having a sore leg, shit. 2090 02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:57.640 Oh my god, Hey, my leg kind of hurts this 2091 02:02:58.319 --> 02:02:59.880 this is her venous ass. 2092 02:03:00.359 --> 02:03:01.479 This is Canada. 2093 02:03:01.640 --> 02:03:06.399 They will officially recommend suicide if you ask for a 2094 02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:10.199 fucking chairlift on your stairway. If you're a veteran, that's real. 2095 02:03:10.720 --> 02:03:13.560 Or you have an earache, you're a tarded guy with 2096 02:03:13.600 --> 02:03:15.960 an earache, the Canadian government will put you out of 2097 02:03:15.960 --> 02:03:18.039 your misery. So you think it's crazy here, it is. 2098 02:03:18.760 --> 02:03:21.239 We're living in crazy times. But a lot of this 2099 02:03:21.279 --> 02:03:25.760 stuff was going on north of the border. Hey, shout 2100 02:03:25.760 --> 02:03:27.520 out Davy Wavi, but we know you're not part of this. 2101 02:03:28.720 --> 02:03:35.239 Well fuck, I mean, there's a reason the CIA doesn't 2102 02:03:35.279 --> 02:03:36.479 recognize borders. 2103 02:03:36.920 --> 02:03:40.920 Okay, but okay, but do you think the CIA is 2104 02:03:41.039 --> 02:03:50.199 just running this all of it psychiatry, these Laurel encampments, pharmaceuticals, 2105 02:03:50.479 --> 02:03:52.560 this is all like a big experiment. 2106 02:03:53.119 --> 02:03:57.479 Yes, this is the legs of what is the top 2107 02:03:57.520 --> 02:04:00.479 of the table today, Like you can look back and 2108 02:04:00.600 --> 02:04:05.319 see this isn't a fucking conspiracy theory. These are fucking 2109 02:04:05.439 --> 02:04:09.960 legitimized accounts of what they were doing, what they were developing, 2110 02:04:10.720 --> 02:04:14.600 using the dregs of society as guinea pigs. It wasn't 2111 02:04:14.640 --> 02:04:19.079 just the mentally ill people labeled mentally ill. It was prisoners, 2112 02:04:20.039 --> 02:04:23.279 it was everybody. You go, you get a hooker in 2113 02:04:23.319 --> 02:04:26.039 the fucking late sixties and San Francisco, you could have 2114 02:04:26.039 --> 02:04:28.720 stumbled into fucking Operation Climax. 2115 02:04:29.279 --> 02:04:31.479 Okay, but that woman had postpartum. 2116 02:04:32.640 --> 02:04:35.000 She felt what did they say? She felt a little 2117 02:04:35.000 --> 02:04:38.000 low a moment with five children, felt a little low. 2118 02:04:38.159 --> 02:04:43.960 She felt low whatever that means. Whatever that means. I 2119 02:04:44.800 --> 02:04:48.880 have one kid and I feel loll sometimes. This bitch 2120 02:04:48.920 --> 02:04:49.720 has got five. 2121 02:04:51.239 --> 02:04:54.920 They erased any memory of her lowliness, and she's no 2122 02:04:54.960 --> 02:04:55.600 longer depressed. 2123 02:04:55.640 --> 02:04:56.920 I wonder, I just have. 2124 02:04:56.960 --> 02:04:58.760 A feminine moment right now? 2125 02:04:59.159 --> 02:05:00.720 Please need more of that? 2126 02:05:02.479 --> 02:05:06.359 Doesn't it just speak to the incredible nature of God's 2127 02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:10.520 design of our bodies that you could go through something 2128 02:05:10.600 --> 02:05:15.439 like that and still manage to be okay, Like your 2129 02:05:15.479 --> 02:05:17.239 body tries to heal itself. 2130 02:05:18.000 --> 02:05:19.600 Well, I would. 2131 02:05:18.960 --> 02:05:21.319 Resume some type of normal life. 2132 02:05:21.479 --> 02:05:24.920 I would argue that this woke territory that you're treading 2133 02:05:25.000 --> 02:05:29.399 lightly and trying to avoid exists because the foundation. 2134 02:05:29.039 --> 02:05:30.479 Of it is absolutely true. 2135 02:05:31.199 --> 02:05:34.359 I'm fucking woke to a degree when it comes to 2136 02:05:34.920 --> 02:05:36.600 you know, the what do. 2137 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:37.319 They call him? 2138 02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:44.960 Marginalized women being one and this is fucking recent And 2139 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:49.119 she fell into this lady that got her mind raised, 2140 02:05:49.159 --> 02:05:53.319 fell into that two thirds category, felt a little lull. 2141 02:05:53.479 --> 02:05:56.279 Let's erase your entire fucking life as. 2142 02:05:56.119 --> 02:06:01.039 A result, men and women, Sure, the ability to recuperate 2143 02:06:01.119 --> 02:06:03.680 after something like that with your spiriting, Well. 2144 02:06:03.520 --> 02:06:07.560 The old guy, eighteen year old, given acid every other day, 2145 02:06:08.000 --> 02:06:10.960 being psychically driven to believe that he killed his mother, 2146 02:06:11.920 --> 02:06:13.279 goes home, his mom's alive. 2147 02:06:14.199 --> 02:06:15.359 What were they doing with him? 2148 02:06:15.479 --> 02:06:18.960 Was he like a guy they never activated to pull off. 2149 02:06:18.760 --> 02:06:20.119 Some kind of assassination? 2150 02:06:20.279 --> 02:06:24.600 Because the I mean, the icing's on the cake already. 2151 02:06:24.640 --> 02:06:27.000 You know that hospital and they took this eighteen year 2152 02:06:27.000 --> 02:06:30.239 old kid in and they basically did what they did 2153 02:06:30.239 --> 02:06:35.199 to Ted Kaczynski at Harvard in this big timeframe we're 2154 02:06:35.199 --> 02:06:35.960 talking about here. 2155 02:06:36.319 --> 02:06:41.399 But the ability to recuperate from that, it's amazing still 2156 02:06:41.479 --> 02:06:42.800 go on with your life. 2157 02:06:42.840 --> 02:06:46.680 The human spirit is if nothing else resilient, there'd be 2158 02:06:46.720 --> 02:06:49.800 a lot of folks who would go through something similar 2159 02:06:49.840 --> 02:06:52.079 to what that man and woman in that clip went 2160 02:06:52.119 --> 02:06:54.640 through and they would not recover. 2161 02:06:55.680 --> 02:06:58.600 Well, somebody that you and I have taught, and then 2162 02:06:58.640 --> 02:07:05.119 we'll do it like a closing statement. But somebody that 2163 02:07:05.159 --> 02:07:08.640 you and I both have talked about at nauseum is 2164 02:07:09.319 --> 02:07:14.159 Paul Banasi. How is he able to go like? He 2165 02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:18.560 has a family somewhere, he got married, he has kids. 2166 02:07:19.560 --> 02:07:20.399 How do you go high? 2167 02:07:20.600 --> 02:07:23.479 If Paul Banasi is in fact not part of the syop, 2168 02:07:24.640 --> 02:07:27.920 and I do wonder about him, just because he is 2169 02:07:28.039 --> 02:07:33.840 so heavily entrenched in the John DeCamp Is it John? 2170 02:07:34.119 --> 02:07:34.600 Yeah? 2171 02:07:34.640 --> 02:07:38.520 And my cousin Bill Colby. 2172 02:07:38.880 --> 02:07:43.039 He is part of that narrative, and he's so sensationalized 2173 02:07:43.039 --> 02:07:45.079 that he just might be the West Memphis three of 2174 02:07:45.119 --> 02:07:47.720 the Franklin Scandal, the fucking red Herring. 2175 02:07:47.960 --> 02:07:50.680 Let's just say for argument sake that he's. 2176 02:07:50.600 --> 02:07:53.520 Not okay if he's real, and I'm willing to entertain 2177 02:07:53.560 --> 02:07:56.560 that for sure, because I'm not willing to he is 2178 02:07:56.640 --> 02:08:01.000 part of the Big three witnesses that is on document 2179 02:08:01.159 --> 02:08:05.000 that you could prove that's real. He's a real person now, 2180 02:08:05.000 --> 02:08:07.039 whether he was snagged into this sy up or not. 2181 02:08:07.279 --> 02:08:11.600 If he's a real person, I can't imagine the stuff 2182 02:08:11.600 --> 02:08:14.319 he's claimed, he's witnessed. He claims he's fractured into the 2183 02:08:14.399 --> 02:08:18.199 multitude of different people, and he's having a family somewhere. 2184 02:08:18.560 --> 02:08:21.039 He's married, and he has kids, and he works the 2185 02:08:21.159 --> 02:08:23.039 jobs that's doing such. 2186 02:08:23.159 --> 02:08:26.399 I mean, and not only was he fucking ritualistically abused 2187 02:08:26.439 --> 02:08:32.439 and passed around, he was part of the recruiting, picking 2188 02:08:32.520 --> 02:08:35.840 kids off the street, watching snuff films of people. 2189 02:08:35.920 --> 02:08:38.720 He picked up street kid's in front of him. 2190 02:08:39.680 --> 02:08:41.760 I mean, the fact that you could ever bounce back 2191 02:08:41.800 --> 02:08:44.680 from that is astounding to me and be a father. 2192 02:08:45.279 --> 02:08:46.960 I mean, I run over a squirrel and I have 2193 02:08:47.000 --> 02:08:51.439 a bad day. Same, So fuck that. Sorry, Paul, that 2194 02:08:51.600 --> 02:08:52.319 really sucks. 2195 02:08:52.520 --> 02:08:55.319 Let's just say all of that is real, the real shit, 2196 02:08:55.399 --> 02:08:59.399 and it might be. The resiliency of this spirit of 2197 02:08:59.680 --> 02:09:04.560 the human being is just remarkable to me sometimes that 2198 02:09:04.880 --> 02:09:09.039 you could go through a sleep room CIA experiment or 2199 02:09:09.319 --> 02:09:13.239 SRA or something like that and still somehow end up 2200 02:09:13.239 --> 02:09:14.800 being able to function. 2201 02:09:14.560 --> 02:09:18.479 Later in life and raise kids and raise kids, not 2202 02:09:18.560 --> 02:09:21.640 pass your trauma in some fucking miraculous way, because we 2203 02:09:21.720 --> 02:09:22.119 all do. 2204 02:09:22.640 --> 02:09:26.920 And if your trauma's deep, hopefully he's done the work. 2205 02:09:27.399 --> 02:09:29.720 But think about his kids, right. 2206 02:09:31.560 --> 02:09:34.199 I'm sure there is no model. 2207 02:09:33.920 --> 02:09:38.840 In my opinion of pharmaceuticals or psychiatry that can heal 2208 02:09:39.399 --> 02:09:41.159 passed down trauma like that. 2209 02:09:41.279 --> 02:09:42.439 Well, you know what you could do? 2210 02:09:44.640 --> 02:09:46.640 You and Cameron is dead, of course, but I'm sure 2211 02:09:46.680 --> 02:09:49.560 he has proteges floating around out there. I wonder if 2212 02:09:49.560 --> 02:09:53.479 that alcoholic doctor that venerated his name, you could erase 2213 02:09:53.520 --> 02:09:54.680 Paulvanacci's memory. 2214 02:09:55.319 --> 02:09:56.479 They proved you could do that. 2215 02:09:56.640 --> 02:09:59.600 Passed down trauma in his kids, because you know that 2216 02:09:59.680 --> 02:10:00.720 the a thing. 2217 02:10:01.560 --> 02:10:04.319 Yeah, And I'm not saying like heel that he shouldn't. 2218 02:10:04.319 --> 02:10:06.600 I not would never state that he shouldn't be allowed 2219 02:10:06.640 --> 02:10:12.399 to have kids. But we all do it. Anybody with 2220 02:10:12.479 --> 02:10:15.439 kids out there knows that you try your best not to. 2221 02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:18.680 It could be little things, it can be big things. 2222 02:10:18.520 --> 02:10:21.399 Even if it's just spiritual what he's went through. 2223 02:10:21.479 --> 02:10:25.680 Well, they talk about the epigenetics of trauma, study of 2224 02:10:25.720 --> 02:10:29.239 all that, and there's some interesting breadcrumbs to go off 2225 02:10:29.239 --> 02:10:32.800 and all that, and I believe it. I have shit 2226 02:10:32.880 --> 02:10:34.920 going on in my own family. That makes me think 2227 02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:38.039 there's generational fucking things that you can never escape. 2228 02:10:38.600 --> 02:10:39.359 Like it's just a. 2229 02:10:39.319 --> 02:10:44.399 Reality that Paulasi has your daddy right, Hopefully he's not 2230 02:10:44.439 --> 02:10:45.279 still fractured. 2231 02:10:45.600 --> 02:10:48.079 Well, I'm like, what if one of his personalities is 2232 02:10:48.119 --> 02:10:52.000 that guy that fucking snagged Johnny Gosh off the street 2233 02:10:52.119 --> 02:10:53.720 or the guy that watched Hunter S. 2234 02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:55.159 Thompson make snuff films. 2235 02:10:55.439 --> 02:10:57.640 If that guy comes out during the diaper change or 2236 02:10:57.960 --> 02:11:01.479 bedtime story, those kids are fucking And that's why I was, Yeah, 2237 02:11:01.479 --> 02:11:04.640 I was like not trying to like make it not 2238 02:11:04.760 --> 02:11:05.880 serious when I said. 2239 02:11:05.680 --> 02:11:09.279 Hopefully he's done the work, because you can't. 2240 02:11:09.520 --> 02:11:12.079 I mean, you can escape it to a level neither 2241 02:11:12.159 --> 02:11:15.880 one of us knows the level of trauma compared to 2242 02:11:15.920 --> 02:11:21.239 that guy. No, and you've had a rough life. I've 2243 02:11:21.239 --> 02:11:24.399 had a semi cush life, and you know, nobody's gotten 2244 02:11:24.399 --> 02:11:25.319 out scott free. 2245 02:11:25.760 --> 02:11:27.000 But fuck. 2246 02:11:29.000 --> 02:11:32.239 The The problem to me is the work that's available 2247 02:11:32.319 --> 02:11:37.000 for him to do. I don't think works. I think 2248 02:11:37.000 --> 02:11:41.640 it's all part of this fucking broken psychiatry system that 2249 02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:46.159 keeps people on a treadmill. I mean, you'd have to 2250 02:11:46.239 --> 02:11:50.520 go to that guy in fucking Africa, the shaman guy, 2251 02:11:51.560 --> 02:11:54.640 and fucking do some serious spirit. I feel like you'd 2252 02:11:54.640 --> 02:11:59.399 have to heal your spirit before I don't know, before 2253 02:11:59.439 --> 02:12:01.600 you would think about wanting to have kids. 2254 02:12:01.960 --> 02:12:03.399 Yeah, this is a heavy closing. 2255 02:12:04.239 --> 02:12:06.399 What's this shit you got about Trump? 2256 02:12:07.159 --> 02:12:07.640 All right? 2257 02:12:07.680 --> 02:12:10.039 I forgot about this. I'm glad you reminded me so 2258 02:12:10.800 --> 02:12:13.520 to wrap this all up. And as Julia teased with 2259 02:12:13.560 --> 02:12:18.000 a question earlier, is where are we heading now? I 2260 02:12:18.039 --> 02:12:22.000 do want to give a caveat because you can always 2261 02:12:22.680 --> 02:12:28.399 spot opportunity to make Trump look bad. In my opinion, 2262 02:12:29.439 --> 02:12:32.600 the left and the liberal media always focus on the 2263 02:12:32.640 --> 02:12:37.239 stupid shit. They don't hardly ever show the stuff that 2264 02:12:37.279 --> 02:12:39.840 you actually should be afraid of because both sides are 2265 02:12:39.880 --> 02:12:40.279 doing it. 2266 02:12:40.920 --> 02:12:42.039 But this. 2267 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:50.520 Clashing of mental illness and the homeless epidemic that not 2268 02:12:50.720 --> 02:12:53.720 only a few major cities are suffering from, like you 2269 02:12:53.720 --> 02:12:57.800 could say decades ago. 2270 02:12:56.960 --> 02:13:01.199 It's everywhere now. We have it skirt into our neighborhood 2271 02:13:01.279 --> 02:13:02.319 on a regular occasion. 2272 02:13:02.600 --> 02:13:06.279 I feel like our area is on the up fucking tick. 2273 02:13:06.520 --> 02:13:07.760 And just just. 2274 02:13:07.680 --> 02:13:10.640 To give a little tease, I would say Julia is 2275 02:13:10.680 --> 02:13:12.680 wrong only because I've lived here in this house for 2276 02:13:12.720 --> 02:13:15.359 five years and she didn't see it three years ago. 2277 02:13:16.239 --> 02:13:19.920 When I couldn't walk to the downtown area without walking 2278 02:13:19.960 --> 02:13:20.880 through encampments. 2279 02:13:21.960 --> 02:13:23.159 Guys, it's better than that. 2280 02:13:23.279 --> 02:13:25.520 Well, what they did was and I don't know what 2281 02:13:25.560 --> 02:13:28.439 they did, but what on the outside looking in, what 2282 02:13:28.479 --> 02:13:30.079 they did was they got rid. 2283 02:13:29.880 --> 02:13:31.760 Of all of it. I don't know how they did it. 2284 02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:34.560 I know there was a big crackdown. So we're gonna 2285 02:13:34.560 --> 02:13:36.920 look at this on a national level. This is something 2286 02:13:36.960 --> 02:13:39.000 that I had seen in the headlines and I didn't 2287 02:13:39.039 --> 02:13:43.000 look into it more until Julia brought this topic to 2288 02:13:43.039 --> 02:13:45.800 me to do a series on because I remember hearing 2289 02:13:46.560 --> 02:13:48.680 that there was a big foot push in a bill 2290 02:13:48.720 --> 02:13:54.000 that Trump passed for normalizing mental institutions and the way 2291 02:13:54.000 --> 02:13:58.720 they were used previously in the stuff we've been covering 2292 02:13:58.760 --> 02:14:02.199 in this series so far. But I'll just close this 2293 02:14:02.319 --> 02:14:05.159 episode and then we can give our real closing arguments. 2294 02:14:05.479 --> 02:14:11.079 But this is it looks like it's PBS interviewing an 2295 02:14:11.319 --> 02:14:16.199 MS or a Washington Post journalist, which you know, we 2296 02:14:16.279 --> 02:14:20.079 all anybody paying attention to the political sphere knows PBS 2297 02:14:20.760 --> 02:14:23.960 Washington Post has kind of made a swing back to moderate. 2298 02:14:24.159 --> 02:14:28.880 But I do believe that they're covering something real here 2299 02:14:28.920 --> 02:14:31.199 and they're not like just going for the low hanging 2300 02:14:31.199 --> 02:14:34.000 fruit with Trump likely is often the case ninety nine 2301 02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:36.039 percent of the time, So keep that in mind. 2302 02:14:36.079 --> 02:14:37.199 We are watching. 2303 02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:43.000 An perspective from an angle against Trump anyway, But I 2304 02:14:43.039 --> 02:14:46.119 do believe and even in my own case, this is 2305 02:14:46.159 --> 02:14:50.399 a reason to be concerned. I do want to preface 2306 02:14:50.479 --> 02:14:53.880 this by saying this was January of twenty twenty five, 2307 02:14:54.039 --> 02:14:57.439 so this year, roughly what seven ish months ago. 2308 02:14:58.079 --> 02:15:01.159 President Trump signed an executive or that makes it easier 2309 02:15:01.159 --> 02:15:04.560 for states to remove homeless encampments and force homeless people 2310 02:15:04.680 --> 02:15:08.039 into mental health or addiction treatment programs at least a 2311 02:15:08.079 --> 02:15:10.119 dayjour Dan explains. 2312 02:15:10.199 --> 02:15:12.720 President Trump's order lays out his goal clearly. 2313 02:15:13.039 --> 02:15:15.600 He wants to move more people who are homeless into 2314 02:15:15.800 --> 02:15:21.199 long term institutions and hospitals, including involuntarily. He also plans 2315 02:15:21.239 --> 02:15:24.560 a dramatic shift in federal funds away from programs that 2316 02:15:24.640 --> 02:15:28.680 place people into housing first and instead pushing for tougher 2317 02:15:28.840 --> 02:15:33.079 immediate requirements for treatment. Homeless rates have been steadily rising 2318 02:15:33.119 --> 02:15:36.239 since twenty seventeen. A federal count found that more than 2319 02:15:36.399 --> 02:15:39.920 seven hundred and seventy thousand people were living in shelters 2320 02:15:40.039 --> 02:15:43.520 or outside on a single night last year. For more 2321 02:15:43.560 --> 02:15:46.000 on this latest executive action and what it may mean, 2322 02:15:46.279 --> 02:15:49.640 I'm joined by David ob a national reporter focusing on 2323 02:15:49.800 --> 02:15:52.680 opioids and addictions for the Washington Post. 2324 02:15:52.960 --> 02:15:55.640 There is a great deal in this order, David. 2325 02:15:55.880 --> 02:15:59.760 First, does President Trump have the power to either encourage 2326 02:15:59.840 --> 02:16:03.079 or tell states that they need to put more people 2327 02:16:03.119 --> 02:16:05.279 in institutions, even involuntarily. 2328 02:16:06.439 --> 02:16:09.800 Well, no, not not specifically. And that's one of the 2329 02:16:09.960 --> 02:16:12.960 interesting things about this order is that he's really they're 2330 02:16:13.000 --> 02:16:16.880 really trying to incentivize and push states into doing this. Remember, 2331 02:16:16.960 --> 02:16:21.359 states set the their particular laws, they set their criteria 2332 02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:26.880 for how they handle involuntary commitments. So really this is 2333 02:16:26.920 --> 02:16:29.760 a state issue. But the federal government certainly has a 2334 02:16:29.760 --> 02:16:32.840 lot of sway, and they can for example, in the 2335 02:16:32.879 --> 02:16:39.280 executive order, they talk about prioritizing grants for states that 2336 02:16:39.319 --> 02:16:43.600 are jurisdictions that comply with this order and crack down 2337 02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:47.319 on open air drug use and you know other other 2338 02:16:47.399 --> 02:16:51.319 things to combat quote unquote vagrancy on the streets. So 2339 02:16:51.399 --> 02:16:54.600 certainly there are sort of incentives they can do to 2340 02:16:54.680 --> 02:16:57.280 kind of push states to doing this, and certainly Trump 2341 02:16:57.520 --> 02:17:00.239 has a lot of has a lot of sway. Nearly 2342 02:17:00.280 --> 02:17:02.440 among red states. So if states feel like they're going 2343 02:17:02.520 --> 02:17:08.319 to benefit by implementing a more robust involuntary commitment program, 2344 02:17:08.399 --> 02:17:09.120 then you know. 2345 02:17:09.159 --> 02:17:12.079 Then they just might What does President Trump say he 2346 02:17:12.200 --> 02:17:14.799 is trying to do here, and how does that mesh 2347 02:17:14.879 --> 02:17:18.360 with what we know about substance abuse and mental illness 2348 02:17:18.479 --> 02:17:19.959 in this population in particular. 2349 02:17:20.440 --> 02:17:24.600 Well, I think Trump's message is something that does resonate 2350 02:17:24.639 --> 02:17:26.920 with a lot of people, particularly as we've seen in 2351 02:17:27.000 --> 02:17:30.760 cities where there are people camped out on sidewalks, where 2352 02:17:30.799 --> 02:17:33.959 there are people who are clearly grappling with mental illness 2353 02:17:33.959 --> 02:17:37.479 in a very visible public way. And so you know, 2354 02:17:37.520 --> 02:17:40.040 whether you're seeing it firsthand or you're watching it on TV, 2355 02:17:40.559 --> 02:17:45.319 certainly this is something that concerns people, right, but of 2356 02:17:45.319 --> 02:17:48.639 course in a very Trump way. It's also sort of 2357 02:17:48.719 --> 02:17:54.680 loaded with very fear inducing language. Right. It's you know, vagrancy, 2358 02:17:54.840 --> 02:17:58.280 it's people are you know, having violent confrontations on the street. 2359 02:17:58.360 --> 02:18:02.360 And when you talk to advocates for the homeless, advocates 2360 02:18:02.360 --> 02:18:06.000 for people with mental whoor dealing with mental illness, you know, 2361 02:18:06.079 --> 02:18:08.319 they they point out that most people that are dealing 2362 02:18:08.319 --> 02:18:12.159 with mental illness are not you know, getting arrested, They're 2363 02:18:12.200 --> 02:18:14.879 not you know, violently lashing out at people. But it's 2364 02:18:14.879 --> 02:18:17.920 when these things happen in a very high profile way, 2365 02:18:18.000 --> 02:18:20.879 like we've seen happen in New York City for example, 2366 02:18:21.959 --> 02:18:23.879 you know, they they you know, tend to grab a 2367 02:18:23.879 --> 02:18:26.840 lot of headlines. So these are real fears that that 2368 02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:30.680 that manifest themselves in our cities. But it kind of 2369 02:18:30.719 --> 02:18:33.319 gets you know, really amped up by some of the rhetoric. 2370 02:18:33.760 --> 02:18:36.280 Where are the advocates on the tension here. Obviously there's 2371 02:18:36.520 --> 02:18:39.079 a public concern you talked about that, but what are 2372 02:18:39.079 --> 02:18:43.520 their concerns about this idea of stepped up involuntarily moving 2373 02:18:43.559 --> 02:18:44.879 people into hospitals. 2374 02:18:45.799 --> 02:18:49.159 Well, I think the the overarching fears that we might 2375 02:18:49.239 --> 02:18:53.319 return to, you know, decades to policies at decades past 2376 02:18:53.319 --> 02:18:57.000 where people were unjustly uh and unfairly being held in 2377 02:18:57.200 --> 02:19:00.920 asylums for you know, months and years, against against their 2378 02:19:00.959 --> 02:19:03.760 will and not really getting the right kind of treatment 2379 02:19:03.799 --> 02:19:05.159 or maybe they weren't supposed to be there in the 2380 02:19:05.159 --> 02:19:07.959 first place. So that's sort of the overarching fear. But 2381 02:19:08.000 --> 02:19:11.680 I think I think the fact that you know, there's 2382 02:19:12.479 --> 02:19:15.920 there's a lot of public health dollars that are being 2383 02:19:16.079 --> 02:19:18.760 cut right now, and so some of that money, they say, 2384 02:19:19.120 --> 02:19:22.479 should be better spent on helping people in treatment and 2385 02:19:22.520 --> 02:19:26.920 not just locking them away, you know, sort of indefinitely. 2386 02:19:27.760 --> 02:19:30.000 You know, I spoke to a man who's almost eighty 2387 02:19:30.040 --> 02:19:33.760 who's experiencing homeless is now, has for a long time. 2388 02:19:34.120 --> 02:19:36.520 He is one of those roughly one third in that 2389 02:19:36.600 --> 02:19:39.360 population who's also dealt with serious mental illness as we're 2390 02:19:39.360 --> 02:19:42.000 talking about, and he said he just does not think 2391 02:19:42.000 --> 02:19:45.879 there's room in the system, in the hospitals, in shelters 2392 02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:47.520 for these kinds of populations. 2393 02:19:47.520 --> 02:19:48.600 What do we know about that? 2394 02:19:49.879 --> 02:19:53.600 Right, Well, there is limited bedspace, and you know, you know, 2395 02:19:53.639 --> 02:19:56.040 in Florida, where I'm normally based, you see, you know, 2396 02:19:56.079 --> 02:19:58.360 there's been a lot of forensic hospitals that have closed 2397 02:19:58.399 --> 02:20:01.000 because there has been this push in recent decades to 2398 02:20:01.040 --> 02:20:03.719 get people out into the community and to get them 2399 02:20:04.239 --> 02:20:08.079 getting treatment out in the community and not in a 2400 02:20:08.120 --> 02:20:10.600 locked up facility. So there really is not a lot 2401 02:20:10.639 --> 02:20:12.959 of bedspace. And with budgets being strapped the way that 2402 02:20:13.000 --> 02:20:16.440 they are these days, particularly with cuts coming from DC, 2403 02:20:17.520 --> 02:20:19.440 you know, it's going to you know, states and community 2404 02:20:19.479 --> 02:20:21.760 is going to be hard pressed to really build those 2405 02:20:21.760 --> 02:20:25.520 facilities and be able to meet the needs of the 2406 02:20:25.520 --> 02:20:29.760 people that are looking to be that people want to 2407 02:20:29.799 --> 02:20:30.280 put away. 2408 02:20:31.360 --> 02:20:35.159 David Avaya, thank you for your reporting on complex issues. 2409 02:20:35.239 --> 02:20:37.120 We really appreciate talking with us today. 2410 02:20:37.840 --> 02:20:38.239 Thank you. 2411 02:20:42.120 --> 02:20:47.920 Well, I'll just say that that issue in itself is 2412 02:20:48.000 --> 02:20:49.600 a whole episode, and. 2413 02:20:50.719 --> 02:20:52.239 There's some extreme views on it. 2414 02:20:52.280 --> 02:20:56.559 I find myself in the large gray area on the 2415 02:20:56.600 --> 02:21:04.920 mental illness slash homelessness slash addiction thing that it's interesting 2416 02:21:04.959 --> 02:21:09.040 to me January would have been Trump just worn in, 2417 02:21:09.559 --> 02:21:12.200 so this was one of the first things he prioritized. 2418 02:21:13.040 --> 02:21:16.399 And I don't hear a lot of talk, but I 2419 02:21:16.440 --> 02:21:22.719 do hear some conspiratorial shit about truck drivers going to 2420 02:21:22.840 --> 02:21:26.840 these treatment centers and driving away with sealed meat containers. 2421 02:21:27.399 --> 02:21:30.680 Oh god, this is a ground zero. With Clyde Lewis 2422 02:21:30.680 --> 02:21:33.719 I listened to quite often, and he's had these truck 2423 02:21:33.799 --> 02:21:37.200 drivers calling in the last few months, probably since the 2424 02:21:37.239 --> 02:21:41.559 beginning of the year, where they're going to these addictions 2425 02:21:41.600 --> 02:21:45.760 slash mental health places and they have sealed containers and 2426 02:21:45.799 --> 02:21:48.040 it's labeled meat, and they drive them to ports and 2427 02:21:48.079 --> 02:21:50.159 they have to drop them off and drive away. 2428 02:21:50.840 --> 02:21:53.200 If you want to get conspiratorial about what's going. 2429 02:21:53.000 --> 02:21:57.719 On McDonald's, I don't even know we're eating homeless people. 2430 02:21:57.799 --> 02:21:59.680 Well at least they're shipping it away, So don't eat 2431 02:21:59.719 --> 02:22:01.440 mc donald's overseas. 2432 02:22:00.959 --> 02:22:03.760 Everybody, they're shipping it away. 2433 02:22:06.520 --> 02:22:08.760 Yeah, that's my thoughts on the nuances of that. 2434 02:22:08.879 --> 02:22:11.040 I mean, yeah, there's there's so much you could say 2435 02:22:11.079 --> 02:22:13.559 about it. But it does look like like this guy 2436 02:22:13.680 --> 02:22:16.959 wasn't plane. It's a slippery slope in ways back to. 2437 02:22:18.120 --> 02:22:21.879 Medieval times is old. I just got the like a 2438 02:22:21.920 --> 02:22:24.639 motherfucker really still going on. 2439 02:22:25.799 --> 02:22:28.840 Well, I'm somewhere in it, like I'm somewhere in the 2440 02:22:28.879 --> 02:22:33.159 middle between these no human being. It's just a trash 2441 02:22:33.280 --> 02:22:37.520 person that you can just throw away. 2442 02:22:37.319 --> 02:22:39.680 Especially people that are in need of some kind of help. 2443 02:22:40.520 --> 02:22:44.520 Oftentimes they're not, but even the ones that are, Yeah. 2444 02:22:44.360 --> 02:22:47.520 To me, it's like, I'm not, I'm not. I can't 2445 02:22:47.559 --> 02:22:50.159 get on board. We just like to throw a human 2446 02:22:50.239 --> 02:22:53.760 being away somewhere, even just because they're homeless. 2447 02:22:53.799 --> 02:22:56.040 So what well, if you can can't, if you can 2448 02:22:56.079 --> 02:22:58.959 throw a human being away for any. 2449 02:22:58.799 --> 02:23:01.360 Reason, then you can, and all sorts of reasons too. 2450 02:23:01.639 --> 02:23:02.680 And that's where we are. 2451 02:23:02.879 --> 02:23:06.879 Like if you took somebody that had never like you 2452 02:23:06.959 --> 02:23:10.559 took somebody from like another fucking planet or something, and 2453 02:23:10.600 --> 02:23:13.239 you brought them to Earth and they were like, what 2454 02:23:13.280 --> 02:23:16.840 are these people that are like intense all over the place? 2455 02:23:17.040 --> 02:23:20.920 Those are the garbage people. Well, they're the fucking trash people. 2456 02:23:21.079 --> 02:23:22.200 At least they're recycling. 2457 02:23:23.120 --> 02:23:23.319 You know. 2458 02:23:23.360 --> 02:23:29.559 What I'm saying is like, we don't take care of. 2459 02:23:27.760 --> 02:23:31.719 Our yeah, And I think that's one of the overlying 2460 02:23:31.840 --> 02:23:36.959 points of this whole series. Really is this condition that 2461 02:23:37.360 --> 02:23:40.239 humanity finds itself in. And it's been an issue since 2462 02:23:41.360 --> 02:23:44.079 we went back in episode one of it for what 2463 02:23:45.440 --> 02:23:50.760 centuries like documented, but we can imagine that it's always 2464 02:23:50.799 --> 02:23:53.879 been here, and the way we've dealt with it has 2465 02:23:54.280 --> 02:23:57.000 gone into some dark fucking places, and we're still in 2466 02:23:57.040 --> 02:23:57.639 the middle of that. 2467 02:23:58.719 --> 02:24:01.120 I feel unsafe and I get out at the gas 2468 02:24:01.200 --> 02:24:04.000 station at night and there's like a homeless dude with 2469 02:24:04.040 --> 02:24:07.159 one shoe on, just babbling away at himself. I don't 2470 02:24:07.159 --> 02:24:08.639 feel like I want to get out of the car. 2471 02:24:08.760 --> 02:24:11.520 I especially feel uncomfortable when they come up and ask 2472 02:24:11.600 --> 02:24:14.920 you for stuff. But the next time that happens to you, 2473 02:24:14.920 --> 02:24:17.280 you got to stop and think, if we had a 2474 02:24:17.319 --> 02:24:22.920 system that took care of people like this, there wouldn't 2475 02:24:23.000 --> 02:24:26.600 be homeless guys on meth with one shoe at the 2476 02:24:26.639 --> 02:24:29.079 gas station. You're begging you for me. We don't take 2477 02:24:29.159 --> 02:24:30.200 care of our omanies. 2478 02:24:30.399 --> 02:24:34.440 Yeah, it's a whole spectrum. Like just a little anecdote. 2479 02:24:34.920 --> 02:24:39.879 I had stopped for I don't remember what. 2480 02:24:40.000 --> 02:24:40.200 I think. 2481 02:24:40.239 --> 02:24:44.200 I was getting a beer and some pouches, and this 2482 02:24:44.319 --> 02:24:46.319 guy's like, are you getting some food in there? 2483 02:24:46.360 --> 02:24:46.760 Men? 2484 02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:49.920 And he looked like he'd been hiking in the woods 2485 02:24:49.920 --> 02:24:51.159 and not showered in a while. 2486 02:24:51.840 --> 02:24:53.360 He was totally coherent. 2487 02:24:53.479 --> 02:24:58.120 He fucking told me, well, why don't you if you're 2488 02:24:58.159 --> 02:25:02.719 getting some food stuff, you could give me some money 2489 02:25:02.760 --> 02:25:05.079 and then you can use my food card. So the 2490 02:25:05.120 --> 02:25:07.879 guy was wanting to buy booze or something apparently. Yeah, 2491 02:25:07.920 --> 02:25:09.799 and you know that kind of shit. That's not a 2492 02:25:09.799 --> 02:25:12.079 homeless guy that's been only ill and there there's the 2493 02:25:12.120 --> 02:25:14.719 people that nine times out of ten don't even know 2494 02:25:14.760 --> 02:25:18.719 you're there and they don't interact with you. But I 2495 02:25:18.719 --> 02:25:22.239 guess the conversation we had this sparked your desire to 2496 02:25:22.280 --> 02:25:27.079 do this entire series. That guy is a fucking local 2497 02:25:27.159 --> 02:25:32.319 legend in Ashland, Oregon. I mean, he was a homeless 2498 02:25:32.319 --> 02:25:35.000 person who did interact with the community in big ways 2499 02:25:35.079 --> 02:25:35.959 throughout the years. 2500 02:25:36.239 --> 02:25:38.239 And what do you do? 2501 02:25:38.879 --> 02:25:40.200 He might have killed somebody. 2502 02:25:40.440 --> 02:25:42.959 He might have killed somebody he tried to get He 2503 02:25:43.000 --> 02:25:45.920 was institutionalized to the point where he preferred to be 2504 02:25:46.000 --> 02:25:48.280 locked up, so they let him out one time, and 2505 02:25:48.319 --> 02:25:51.239 he went to the overpass and started throwing shit into 2506 02:25:51.239 --> 02:25:53.600 the freeway into traffic so he could go back to 2507 02:25:53.680 --> 02:25:56.040 jail and get three squares in a cot. 2508 02:25:57.520 --> 02:25:59.159 But he might have misheddied some guys. 2509 02:25:59.360 --> 02:26:00.239 Well that was Yeah. 2510 02:26:00.280 --> 02:26:03.719 There was a local you know, I've not been living 2511 02:26:03.719 --> 02:26:05.840 here too long, a few couple of years maybe, And 2512 02:26:06.840 --> 02:26:09.440 a guy got his head damn near cut off on 2513 02:26:09.600 --> 02:26:12.719 this local bike path that runs through the entire series 2514 02:26:12.799 --> 02:26:17.600 of towns and cities here in southern Oregon. And some 2515 02:26:17.639 --> 02:26:20.959 people thought this homeless guy did it. It's never been solved. 2516 02:26:21.280 --> 02:26:23.799 But that's a whole other conversation. 2517 02:26:23.840 --> 02:26:27.040 So that's where I'm at. It's like, are certain homeless 2518 02:26:27.079 --> 02:26:28.479 situations dangerous? 2519 02:26:28.639 --> 02:26:29.000 First? 2520 02:26:29.360 --> 02:26:32.760 Yes they are, and there are crazy. 2521 02:26:33.200 --> 02:26:38.520 Is it the majority? It's dangerous some places? I think 2522 02:26:38.559 --> 02:26:40.360 so I don't. 2523 02:26:40.159 --> 02:26:44.440 Feel relatively night on skid row. I'm not spending the 2524 02:26:44.479 --> 02:26:45.639 night two blocks that way. 2525 02:26:48.120 --> 02:26:49.959 But you know what I'm saying, though, is like I 2526 02:26:50.000 --> 02:26:52.079 don't think these people should be thrown away. 2527 02:26:53.000 --> 02:26:57.040 Yeah, and we have nothing for them. 2528 02:26:56.479 --> 02:26:57.639 Not anything. 2529 02:26:58.680 --> 02:27:04.600 Objectively beneficial. And you know, it's a common problem here. 2530 02:27:04.639 --> 02:27:08.200 Like I said, in this area, there was a sweep. 2531 02:27:08.879 --> 02:27:12.559 But we're in a city that's, you know, roughly thirty 2532 02:27:12.559 --> 02:27:16.319 miles from the California border and then you go forty 2533 02:27:16.319 --> 02:27:18.319 five minutes north of US and they're just letting these 2534 02:27:18.360 --> 02:27:22.639 fuckers take over the city parks. Families don't frequent the 2535 02:27:22.680 --> 02:27:26.479 parks at all anymore. You're if you're lucky enough to 2536 02:27:26.520 --> 02:27:30.159 find a swing set away from the encampments, it's probably 2537 02:27:30.159 --> 02:27:33.639 got fucking syringes that you might step on, Oh my god. 2538 02:27:33.719 --> 02:27:37.239 And the people are sick of it. And it's a 2539 02:27:37.239 --> 02:27:40.120 fairly conservative town. I'll say it's Grant's Pass, Oregon. And 2540 02:27:40.600 --> 02:27:43.120 every fucking morning, if I'm skimming through the radio and 2541 02:27:43.200 --> 02:27:47.120 talk radio, it's likely a topic that comes up and 2542 02:27:47.360 --> 02:27:50.799 there is no answer that a liberal state is offering. 2543 02:27:51.280 --> 02:27:53.840 And then the conservative states and people like Trump go 2544 02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:57.040 so far the other way. And yeah, there's not a 2545 02:27:57.079 --> 02:27:59.680 lot of fucking nuance when you look to the problem 2546 02:27:59.760 --> 02:28:03.120 solve that do have influence over society. So it's a 2547 02:28:03.159 --> 02:28:06.120 it's an issue that's not going away, and in our 2548 02:28:06.200 --> 02:28:10.920 society that seems to drive people close to insanity over 2549 02:28:10.959 --> 02:28:13.239 the edge. I would argue, with all the noise of 2550 02:28:13.319 --> 02:28:17.600 modern day society, we are breaking people left and right. 2551 02:28:17.440 --> 02:28:19.559 And nobody can afford to live. 2552 02:28:21.159 --> 02:28:25.639 Yeah, it's just a whole fucking cluster fuck conglamoration of 2553 02:28:25.680 --> 02:28:27.840 a whole lot of issues in Minilinness is right in 2554 02:28:27.879 --> 02:28:28.440 the middle of all. 2555 02:28:28.680 --> 02:28:30.600 Yeah, I agree. 2556 02:28:30.520 --> 02:28:34.159 But anyway, enjoy your evening everybody. 2557 02:28:34.360 --> 02:28:36.360 I think, you know, it would be nice to see it, 2558 02:28:36.440 --> 02:28:39.600 you know, put just post in the comments section, like 2559 02:28:39.680 --> 02:28:43.079 what your thoughts on all this are. I mean, I 2560 02:28:43.159 --> 02:28:46.120 know Colby reads the comments all the time. 2561 02:28:46.239 --> 02:28:49.959 Right If I go on Spotify and go to the thing, 2562 02:28:50.000 --> 02:28:52.680 if I'm re listening to anything you've posted else comments, 2563 02:28:52.719 --> 02:28:53.719 But I. 2564 02:28:53.680 --> 02:28:54.680 Don't know, there's not a lot. 2565 02:28:55.639 --> 02:28:57.559 Well I'm just saying that I could. I could check 2566 02:28:57.799 --> 02:29:01.000 there is wherever you listen. I don't know you could 2567 02:29:01.120 --> 02:29:04.559 comment on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or Patreon. Yeah, this 2568 02:29:04.680 --> 02:29:07.239 is an issue that has probably affected everybody. If not 2569 02:29:07.360 --> 02:29:13.319 familiar familially, whatever that word was supposed to be, it's 2570 02:29:13.360 --> 02:29:17.120 probably at least on the outskirts of your life. Whether 2571 02:29:17.159 --> 02:29:22.319 we're talking mental illness, homelessness, addiction, and the various mistreatments 2572 02:29:22.360 --> 02:29:28.799 of all of the above. I mean, yeah, sure, pharmaceuticals, pharmaceuticals, 2573 02:29:29.360 --> 02:29:30.680 But yeah, I. 2574 02:29:30.639 --> 02:29:33.319 Think this is a killer episode. I had a lot 2575 02:29:33.319 --> 02:29:37.319 of fun putting my stuff together and watching that documentary 2576 02:29:37.399 --> 02:29:40.360 I sent you because I was like, what the fuck 2577 02:29:40.559 --> 02:29:40.959 is it? 2578 02:29:41.360 --> 02:29:43.399 Yeah, And I mean, at the rate we're going, we 2579 02:29:43.479 --> 02:29:46.399 could probably do a ten part episode on this topic 2580 02:29:46.440 --> 02:29:48.319 and just dive into the weeds. But I think we're 2581 02:29:48.319 --> 02:29:52.280 bringing a lot of the like, you know, somewhat known stuff, 2582 02:29:52.319 --> 02:29:53.840 but looking a little deeper into it. 2583 02:29:53.920 --> 02:29:56.639 Like even someone like me. 2584 02:29:56.680 --> 02:30:00.159 Who has researched this for years, I've come across a 2585 02:30:00.159 --> 02:30:02.719 lot of new stuff to looking into it from this angle. 2586 02:30:03.200 --> 02:30:06.479 And like you, sharing that documentary, you know, that brought 2587 02:30:06.479 --> 02:30:11.440 a lot of stuff to light that I assumed wasn't 2588 02:30:11.479 --> 02:30:15.079 that prevalent in that time period in the nineteen nineties. 2589 02:30:16.600 --> 02:30:19.959 Yeah, and I think we're gonna have even more fun 2590 02:30:20.079 --> 02:30:21.000 in the next episode. 2591 02:30:21.000 --> 02:30:24.319 Well, this next episode will be the funnest one. Yeah, 2592 02:30:24.520 --> 02:30:27.360 even though it's going to be all about the same topic, 2593 02:30:27.440 --> 02:30:30.000 it's it's going to be you know, think of all 2594 02:30:30.079 --> 02:30:35.760 your favorite movies that are at least somewhat focused around 2595 02:30:35.799 --> 02:30:37.760 these issues we've been talking about, and I'm sure you 2596 02:30:37.799 --> 02:30:38.280 can think. 2597 02:30:38.159 --> 02:30:42.879 Of plenty or shows or like whatever you know for movies. 2598 02:30:42.719 --> 02:30:44.440 And you know, I also want to at some point, 2599 02:30:44.440 --> 02:30:48.719 and it'll probably be in next episode, talk about almost 2600 02:30:48.799 --> 02:30:51.000 the fetishization. 2601 02:30:50.280 --> 02:30:52.760 Of mental illness that I see. 2602 02:30:53.159 --> 02:30:58.680 Especially in younger women, and it's almost like part of 2603 02:30:58.719 --> 02:31:07.079 your he her, You're neurodivergent, You're on the spectrum. And 2604 02:31:07.159 --> 02:31:11.760 people definitely are quick these days because of the programming 2605 02:31:11.879 --> 02:31:15.399 coming from all angles to categorize themselves in these places. 2606 02:31:15.639 --> 02:31:19.040 Just self diagnose. And of course anxiety is common and 2607 02:31:19.079 --> 02:31:20.719 we all have it at times, and some of us 2608 02:31:20.760 --> 02:31:23.840 have it more than others, But just to label yourself 2609 02:31:23.879 --> 02:31:30.639 as neurodivergent somewhere on the spectrum, I'm asked for agree 2610 02:31:30.959 --> 02:31:35.920 on Tuesdays Thursdays, I'm a little you know, and it's 2611 02:31:35.959 --> 02:31:38.319 I'm not It's it's something you can make light of, 2612 02:31:38.399 --> 02:31:44.319 but it's all it's also a social contagion. So you know, 2613 02:31:44.360 --> 02:31:46.239 if we have time to dig in through all the 2614 02:31:46.239 --> 02:31:50.760 fun pop culture references of insanity, maybe we'll cover like 2615 02:31:50.840 --> 02:31:53.879 a little bit of like what we just see in 2616 02:31:53.920 --> 02:31:54.399 our day. 2617 02:31:54.239 --> 02:31:54.959 To day lives. 2618 02:31:55.079 --> 02:32:00.440 Yeah, and quote unquote normal people, normal people, which is. 2619 02:32:00.479 --> 02:32:01.360 Your everyday people. 2620 02:32:01.520 --> 02:32:06.479 Yeah, your cousins, your daughters, your sons, your uncles, your bosses. 2621 02:32:07.399 --> 02:32:11.760 You can see it anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, people still wearing masks. 2622 02:32:11.799 --> 02:32:15.559 Maybe I have a couple movies in a show that 2623 02:32:15.680 --> 02:32:17.959 I want to talk about. You got a couple movies 2624 02:32:18.000 --> 02:32:19.959 and stuff. And it's like you said, we'll kind of 2625 02:32:20.000 --> 02:32:23.159 dive all over the place. But I hope everyone out 2626 02:32:23.200 --> 02:32:26.840 there is enjoying this series so far. Leave comments, uh, 2627 02:32:27.840 --> 02:32:32.959 you know, share whatever. And with that being said, there 2628 02:32:33.200 --> 02:32:38.200 is one very important, vital piece of information I need 2629 02:32:38.239 --> 02:32:41.479 you to learn just as soon as humanly possible. 2630 02:32:42.680 --> 02:33:04.079 Were nevertheless miscovings not with standing. Nevertheless, you need to 2631 02:33:04.520 --> 02:33:10.639 sign nevertheless. It's best if you cooperate, think of the 2632 02:33:10.799 --> 02:33:12.040 sake of your mind. 2633 02:33:14.520 --> 02:33:19.360 Best to relax and focus on your breathing. You're gonna 2634 02:33:19.399 --> 02:33:25.239 feel a tiny sting when you wake up. The program 2635 02:33:25.319 --> 02:33:29.079 will initiate. You won't remember a thing. 2636 02:33:31.200 --> 02:33:42.879 No sense fining, stop resisting such bad TiAl. 2637 02:33:43.520 --> 02:33:50.840 Such promise, wee promise. I just stepped out the Wiams 2638 02:33:50.879 --> 02:33:53.840 except for walking getting. 2639 02:33:53.520 --> 02:33:56.319 A lay of the land. 2640 02:33:57.040 --> 02:34:00.319 Really no place to which I am long. 2641 02:34:01.559 --> 02:34:03.319 I don't have much of a plan. 2642 02:34:05.719 --> 02:34:08.280 I'm ready to go ignor. 2643 02:34:08.200 --> 02:34:11.680 Of confusion, ready to taste. 2644 02:34:11.680 --> 02:34:15.600 So called so blind, Perish the doubt. 2645 02:34:16.000 --> 02:34:17.680 It's only a delusion. 2646 02:34:18.680 --> 02:34:19.600 Look you, we've. 2647 02:34:19.440 --> 02:34:20.600 Found you the time. 2648 02:34:22.639 --> 02:34:25.440 No sense, fine. 2649 02:34:26.879 --> 02:34:42.120 Staryss, such fine, such charm and priss, such proseno scar 2650 02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:46.559 scared 2651 02:34:50.399 --> 02:34:54.879 Skin, skin,