Speaker 1: It's a woman in white story. It's directly tied to
Speaker 1: my family. There was a knock at the door, my
Speaker 1: uncle answered it, and there's nobody there. The next night
Speaker 1: there's a knock on the door, and my great grandmother
Speaker 1: she answered the door, and she said that it felt
Speaker 1: like the wind cut through her and went into the house.
Speaker 1: But again nobody was there. The night my grandma died,
Speaker 1: my mom was driving back to their house. If he
Speaker 1: is driving through these rural back roads in eastern Kentucky,
Speaker 1: she describes it as there was a olive skinned Native
Speaker 1: American woman with long jet black hair standing in the
Speaker 1: middle of the road. She said that she's only in
Speaker 1: a white dress and that she didn't even react to
Speaker 1: like almost getting hit by a car. And she said,
Speaker 1: the woman just like steps back and is enveloped into
Speaker 1: this fog.
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt and joining
Speaker 2: me is John Taylor. John is a newfound friend and
Speaker 2: host of the YouTube channel The Other Side, where he
Speaker 2: talks about all kinds of creepy and strange and serial
Speaker 2: killer goodness, stuff that I like, stuff that I'm into. John,
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining.
Speaker 1: Me, Hey, I really appreciate you. Man. I'm super excited
Speaker 1: to be on.
Speaker 2: Her first off. I don't know if you're prepared to
Speaker 2: talk about this or not, but you mentioned something already
Speaker 2: in conversation that I wanted to hear about. You have
Speaker 2: a story about Appell Crawl.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yes, and no, it's not my story, but
Speaker 1: it is a story I have. So one of the
Speaker 1: first YouTube videos I ever made, it was from a
Speaker 1: reddit post on the rs slash Crawler's subreddit. This woman
Speaker 1: had gone to Red River Gorge in Kentucky. She was
Speaker 1: hiking around with her family and everything like that. They
Speaker 1: decided to camp overnight, and through sheer coincidence I guess,
Speaker 1: they encountered another lady on the trail at night, which
Speaker 1: is very strange. It kind of freaked them out a
Speaker 1: little bit, and they thought maybe this lady was good
Speaker 1: rob I'm gonna stab them whatever. So they started looking
Speaker 1: around the camp site and they saw this crawler in
Speaker 1: Red River Gorge. Now how true that story is was
Speaker 1: posted on read it. I don't know. She drew a
Speaker 1: sketch of it that you could find pretty easily. But
Speaker 1: I put that video out there in twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: just to make content. I got really bored. But I
Speaker 1: got a really weird email at the beginning of this
Speaker 1: year related to that. Some guy who I don't know truly,
Speaker 1: I've never metamor talk to him in person. He said
Speaker 1: to be an email that he had gone out to
Speaker 1: Red River Gorge and he, you know, he was gonna
Speaker 1: find whatever the hell this thing was, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 1: like he was ready to camp overnight. He brought a
Speaker 1: hammock and like a knife and found this really weird
Speaker 1: arrangement of stuff. And I don't I'm trying to pull
Speaker 1: up the picture and I don't know where it's at
Speaker 1: on my computer, but it was like a weird spiral
Speaker 1: of bones, like they were purposely set out there, and
Speaker 1: he thought that was really weird.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: As he kept going through the woods, he heard a
Speaker 1: channing sound, which, like, I'm from southeastern Kentucky, I've heard
Speaker 1: stories about people hearing channing and in caves and in
Speaker 1: the woods all the time, Like my own uncle told
Speaker 1: the stories like that growing up. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're probably down there with like some weird cult or
Speaker 1: something whatever. So he gets closer and closer to this
Speaker 1: channing and there's people in a cave at Red River
Speaker 1: Gorge dancering around a fire channing doing weird shit, and
Speaker 1: he said that it looked like there was a person
Speaker 1: on like a stone slab in the middle of the room.
Speaker 1: And then he turns around and he sees what I'm
Speaker 1: going to assume is the same pale crawler in the trees,
Speaker 1: and he dips out of there. So now there's two
Speaker 1: accounts in Red River Gorge of this. I don't know
Speaker 1: how true these stories are, but I enjoy them. Crawler
Speaker 1: stories are starting to pop up more and more where
Speaker 1: I'm from in Kentucky, so you know, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: So did you grow up with an interest in this stuff?
Speaker 2: How did this whole thing get started for you?
Speaker 1: So, like I was a weird kid. I was born
Speaker 1: with heart problems, so like I immediately like died when
Speaker 1: I was born, and I've died three other times and
Speaker 1: I've had to have a ton of heart surgeries, damn.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't very very outdoorsy. I was a book kid.
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of History Channel, and that's when
Speaker 1: like monster quests and everything came on. So like I
Speaker 1: would watch those videos and read books about it, you know,
Speaker 1: birth of the Internet there were angel fire pages and right,
Speaker 1: so I'd go through all of that, But like I
Speaker 1: grew up here in one specific story, but a bunch
Speaker 1: of spooky stories from like my mom and my grandparents
Speaker 1: that just made me interested in it. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm like Molder from the X Files. I've not seen
Speaker 1: a lot of things, but I want to believe in
Speaker 1: it and the things that have happened. Like I didn't
Speaker 1: see a ghost, I didn't see a dog man or anything,
Speaker 1: but enough weird stuff happened that I feel like it
Speaker 1: falls in the realm.
Speaker 2: What was the one story that you heard? What was
Speaker 2: it something your family experienced?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a it's a woman in white story,
Speaker 1: but it's like it's directly tied to my family. My
Speaker 1: let's see my great great great grandmother. She was like
Speaker 1: straight American. Her family was straight out of the Blackfoot Confederacy,
Speaker 1: moved across the United States somehow ended up in Harlan, Kentucky,
Speaker 1: and she was apparently spiritual in a Native American way.
Speaker 1: She didn't go to regular church or anything else. She
Speaker 1: believed in spirit guides, She made dream catchers, She did
Speaker 1: what I assume is traditional Native American spiritual practices right,
Speaker 1: and she folded everyone in our family. And I've never
Speaker 1: met her. This has been passed down that whenever they
Speaker 1: died and it was their time, she was going to
Speaker 1: be the person to come cross us over. So the
Speaker 1: story I was always told was that she comes three
Speaker 1: days in a row. The first two days are kind
Speaker 1: of get your shit together, and then the third day
Speaker 1: she takes you to whatever is on the other side
Speaker 1: of life, which is where my YouTube channel name came from.
Speaker 1: My grandmother was like the only person that still practiced
Speaker 1: like her. She was kind of weird about that. She
Speaker 1: did Native American things, even though like if she broke
Speaker 1: an arm, she'd glow in the dark. She was so white,
Speaker 1: and she had cancer when I was a little kid
Speaker 1: that led to her passing away. So three days before
Speaker 1: she passed away at nine PM, and multiple people in
Speaker 1: my family that are now dead and a few that
Speaker 1: are alive can verify this, there was a knock at
Speaker 1: the door. My uncle answered it and there's nobody there.
Speaker 1: Everybody thought, Okay, it's weird, somebody's playing a prank.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 1: The next night, there's a knock on the door and
Speaker 1: my great grandmother she answered the door and she said
Speaker 1: that it felt like the wind cut through her and
Speaker 1: went into the house, like it was, you know, funneled
Speaker 1: into the door. But again nobody was there. The night
Speaker 1: my grandma died, my mom was driving back to their house.
Speaker 1: And she always tries to like brush this off as
Speaker 1: her being tired because at the time she was going
Speaker 1: to college to get her teaching degree. She was student teaching,
Speaker 1: and then she was working like a full shift at
Speaker 1: Walmart in the afternoons or at night. So she had
Speaker 1: just gotten out of class and she was headed home.
Speaker 1: It was eight eight thirty at night as she is
Speaker 1: driving through these rural back roads in eastern Kentucky. The
Speaker 1: way she describes it isn't like she drove into a fog.
Speaker 1: It's she's driving and like it just appears in front
Speaker 1: of her. She didn't see it beforehand. So she's going
Speaker 1: in this fog. She rounds a corner and swears that
Speaker 1: she sees a person. She doesn't get a good look
Speaker 1: at him. She like slams on her brakes and she's
Speaker 1: waiting to hit the person. When she looks up, there's
Speaker 1: nobody there. So she's like, I'm tired, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on, I'm gonna keep going. So she keeps driving,
Speaker 1: and eventually she's two curves before my grandmother's house. She
Speaker 1: going around one curve and she thinks that she sees
Speaker 1: somebody right when the road goes straight, she's not sure.
Speaker 1: She thinks she's still tired, so she doesn't hit the bikes,
Speaker 1: and as she gets closer and closer to whatever is
Speaker 1: in the road, she said, it be comes more real
Speaker 1: when she eventually slams on her brakes because she thinks
Speaker 1: she's gonna hit somebody. She describes it as there was
Speaker 1: a olive skinned Native American woman with long jet black
Speaker 1: hair standing in the middle of the road. She said
Speaker 1: that she's only in a white dress and that she
Speaker 1: didn't even react to like almost getting hit by a car.
Speaker 1: So my mom is like locked eyes with this lady
Speaker 1: for a few seconds, and she said, the woman just
Speaker 1: like steps back and is enveloped into this fog. Again.
Speaker 1: She thinks she's crazy. She doesn't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: So she drives, you know, the few hundred yards that
Speaker 1: are left to my grandma's house, and like walks into
Speaker 1: a shit show before she can say anything, like the
Speaker 1: hospice nurses are jumping around, machines are making noises, like
Speaker 1: I assume my grandmother coated, but like, there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of people in the house trying to figure out what's
Speaker 1: going on. And in the middle of all of this,
Speaker 1: there's a knock at the door. So my grandpa, as
Speaker 1: far as I know, he didn't believe in ghosts. He
Speaker 1: was a very serious person. And he's like, that's those
Speaker 1: kids knucking on the doors again. We're waiting on the
Speaker 1: ambulance to get here. We know they're not here because
Speaker 1: the windows are open, right, so they don't answer the door.
Speaker 1: When he basically says, ignore that the front door and
Speaker 1: the back door, which is by the kitchen, but you
Speaker 1: could probably see through each door if they're both open.
Speaker 1: They're all locked and chained. They blow open to the
Speaker 1: point that they put holes in the drywall. And it's
Speaker 1: middle of June at this point. All of the people
Speaker 1: there said it got so cold that they could see
Speaker 1: their breath, and that is when my grandmother flatlined. Wow,
Speaker 1: as she flat lines fully passes away, they said all
Speaker 1: the cold air left the house. So I grew up
Speaker 1: here in that story from multiple people's perspectives that were there,
Speaker 1: and I always kind of thought they were full of
Speaker 1: shit until twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, I had just moved
Speaker 1: to start law school, and I had gone back home
Speaker 1: to get some things, and my mom had just gotten
Speaker 1: like a big fancy printer so she could scan all
Speaker 1: of her photos and upload them, so like I could
Speaker 1: have a copy of any photo I wanted. So about
Speaker 1: five years ago, as we're going through these photos, uh,
Speaker 1: my mom like deflated, She like hit the floor, like
Speaker 1: slid out of her chair and was on the ground crying.
Speaker 1: After I was able to calm her down, she like
Speaker 1: pulls up this picture and she like, this is the
Speaker 1: woman I saw the night my mom died. And it's
Speaker 1: the only photo that we had of my great great
Speaker 1: great grandmother who was supposed to be super Native American.
Speaker 1: And she says that's what she saw or that's who
Speaker 1: she saw in the middle of the road. Wow, that
Speaker 1: story got me into spooky things. Five years ago when
Speaker 1: that happened, that's when I kind of was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's probably more to this. Let me let me jump
Speaker 1: into it. Change my YouTube channel from what it is
Speaker 1: to this and see what I can figure it out.
Speaker 1: Figure out. And I mean by this point. I have
Speaker 1: a mediocre YouTube channel. I'm a teacher, but I run
Speaker 1: the paranormal club at my school, and a bunch of
Speaker 1: weird things happens with that. But we've been able to
Speaker 1: bring in ghost hunters to work with the kids. So
Speaker 1: it's led me down a weird path, but it's been
Speaker 1: kind of fun.
Speaker 2: Tell me about the paranormal club. We talked a little
Speaker 2: bit about that, but what does a paranormal club do
Speaker 2: in school?
Speaker 1: Exactly in my interview at the school, they said, hey,
Speaker 1: you're going to have to design a club because our
Speaker 1: kids are low income. They don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: things to do, so it needs to be something with
Speaker 1: a low barrier to entry that you think that they
Speaker 1: would enjoy that doesn't really require a lot of preparation.
Speaker 1: And being close to Cincinnati, where I've moved to to teach,
Speaker 1: you know, I drove by Bobby Mackie's weekly, so I
Speaker 1: was like, well, do a ghost club. The literacy rates
Speaker 1: at my school were very low, so I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: these kids are reading on a third and fourth grade
Speaker 1: level in eighth grade. Ghost stories aren't necessarily the most
Speaker 1: complex stories, but you know, getting them to read more
Speaker 1: is better than them not reading at all. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: what we started doing was, you know, just reading local stories.
Speaker 1: We would read about Bobby Mackie's. We would read about
Speaker 1: some house in Newport, Kentucky that has a ghost, lady
Speaker 1: lady in white or something like that, I can't think
Speaker 1: of it, Cincinnati Music Hall. We would just read about
Speaker 1: this stuff. More kids got interested to the point that
Speaker 1: the school decided to make clubs part of the daytime curriculum.
Speaker 1: So once a month, instead of us going to like
Speaker 1: home room, we went to clubs for about forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: And out of the two hundred and I think it
Speaker 1: was like two hundred and fifty six kids that were
Speaker 1: eligible to be in clubs, I had one hundred and sixty.
Speaker 2: Wow, which was awful.
Speaker 1: It was a mess. But what I ended up doing was, Hey,
Speaker 1: some of these kids, they don't want to read ghost stories.
Speaker 1: So I went and bought a spirit box. So I
Speaker 1: had them go into another room because we're in the library,
Speaker 1: there's multiple rooms there. Had them go into a done
Speaker 1: room and mess with a spirit box. Had them go
Speaker 1: into the esports room because there's a giant table there
Speaker 1: and they would try to use a pendulum or something,
Speaker 1: which some people were upset about that instead it was witchcraft,
Speaker 1: and my response was, most of these kids can't spell witchcraft.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be practicing it. We
Speaker 1: kept doing some different things. Eventually I watched the documentary
Speaker 1: series Hellier, which has a very weird connection to my
Speaker 1: school as well that I can get into in a minute.
Speaker 1: But I saw them doing the Estus method in that,
Speaker 1: which I thought that might be a lot easier than
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids all yelling at a spirit box
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I got a few more
Speaker 1: spear boxes. We got some technically, we got the esports
Speaker 1: headphones connected those, and the kids are super into it.
Speaker 1: Kids that would never even look at a history book
Speaker 1: or go to the library have gone and gotten library memberships,
Speaker 1: and one of them actually taught to me. Today. They're
Speaker 1: researching names that we've gotten through spirit boxes or EDP sessions,
Speaker 1: and so the names we've gotten, we've gotten Stan, which
Speaker 1: I don't want to give out the last name, because
Speaker 1: we found one Stan's ex wife's family and Stan's brother
Speaker 1: and had them listen listen to a spearbox session, and
Speaker 1: then they put on the headphones and they said it
Speaker 1: sounded just like him. So we were able to find
Speaker 1: a stand with connections to the school.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: The reason we found him is because his ashes were
Speaker 1: spread were realistically they're spread right outside of my classroom
Speaker 1: because that was one of his favorite spots on campus.
Speaker 1: I hate that. Let's see, we kept getting Stephen Sarah,
Speaker 1: which is weird. It's all s names. There is a
Speaker 1: local legend about a girl in a blue dress, and
Speaker 1: we've gotten that full sentence before on EVP. I'll have
Speaker 1: to find that. You know, they're asking who are you?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: What do we know you as? And we got that response.
Speaker 1: Lights have gone on and off night. Janitors have seen
Speaker 1: full body apparitions. We've had psychic I've had psychics come
Speaker 1: to the school. I'm not gonna say we because the
Speaker 1: school does not approve of it. I've had psychics come
Speaker 1: to the school and professional ghost hunting teams to lead
Speaker 1: ghost hunts during like after school events. Every year we
Speaker 1: have a after problem celebration. We do fifty thousand things
Speaker 1: and one of them is a giant ghost hunt. But
Speaker 1: every year something weird happens. We've bought brought in different
Speaker 1: groups of ghost hunters and they've all gotten the same name,
Speaker 1: which is bid them again. Didn't know what that was
Speaker 1: until the hell Your people came out with a documentary
Speaker 1: about on an object they have called the Krone, which
Speaker 1: apparently the thing in that what it demon whatever it
Speaker 1: was called bit them. That's not even the most important
Speaker 1: part of all of this though. In my free time
Speaker 1: I try to help out however I can at the school,
Speaker 1: So over the summers, I go in and I helped
Speaker 1: make sure, you know, the janitors don't need any help.
Speaker 1: I've helped them scrab the hallways, rearrange rooms, whatever, and
Speaker 1: I typically listen to podcast while I'm doing that. So
Speaker 1: last year I was scrubbing the floors with them, and
Speaker 1: I was listening to the Two Girls One Ghost podcast
Speaker 1: that had the new Kirks who created Hellier and the
Speaker 1: Unbinding on it, and they were talking about this blade
Speaker 1: that they had. It was associated with some cult I
Speaker 1: don't remember what one. Greg Newkirk was trying to put
Speaker 1: it in a candle and ends up slicing his hand
Speaker 1: open and his blood got on some other haunted object.
Speaker 1: Either way, it doesn't sound good. It sounds like the
Speaker 1: beginning of a Richmond Yeah whoops yeah, oopsie poopsie we're
Speaker 1: haunted now, so they go to the hospital. When they're
Speaker 1: at the hospital, his wife's like, hey, the moment you
Speaker 1: yelled at me, I got a strange phone call. I
Speaker 1: didn't answer it, and they play the voicemail on on
Speaker 1: that podcast and it's like a bunch of whispering is
Speaker 1: real weird, Like five six people are talking at the
Speaker 1: same time, and then it's like a really chipper like goodbye,
Speaker 1: and it hangs up. So in my head, I'm like, wow, that'soo.
Speaker 1: He still scrubbing the floor. And they're like, it's weird
Speaker 1: because the phone call was from a school, and I
Speaker 1: was like, huh, I'm at a school right now. It's
Speaker 1: like in the other weird thing is like it's a
Speaker 1: school near me, and I'm like, holy shit, I'm in
Speaker 1: a school near them. And then uh, They're like, the
Speaker 1: weird part is that the phone call it came from
Speaker 1: a street named I really don't want to dos my school,
Speaker 1: but the name of the street is associated with like
Speaker 1: their investigation into Pam and droom Man and their whole
Speaker 1: hell year Goblin investigation. I was like, damn it, it's
Speaker 1: my school. Sure as shit. They go into a little
Speaker 1: bit more detail and like that is one thousand percent
Speaker 1: my school.
Speaker 2: Wow right.
Speaker 1: I sent them like a whole crackhead email. They responded
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, we'll talk to you at some
Speaker 1: point about this. We're busy. They've not gotten back to
Speaker 1: the we'll talk to you about this, but at least
Speaker 1: they know about it. It's probably the longest email I've
Speaker 1: ever written in my entire life.
Speaker 2: PS, Guys, I think we could be really good friends.
Speaker 2: I feel like I yeah, I've sent those emails before.
Speaker 1: Yes, technically your neighbor. Do you want to go get
Speaker 1: taco belt together and speak about this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But my score was apparently haunted and the modern day
Speaker 1: ghostbusters are connected to.
Speaker 2: It, So was there any like lore at the school?
Speaker 2: Previous to the paranormal club that you know about.
Speaker 1: There was a janitor that had been there for a
Speaker 1: while and he he's the first person that told me
Speaker 1: about the girl in the blue dress because he had
Speaker 1: seen her on multiple occasions. It's a little twelve year
Speaker 1: old girl at most that she walks around. She has
Speaker 1: a blue dress on allegedly the second story staircase, she
Speaker 1: leaned over the side and fell and broke her neck
Speaker 1: and died on impact. Because the second floor is not
Speaker 1: very high, so I don't know how really you die
Speaker 1: unless you land on your head. But he had seen
Speaker 1: her before. Before the paranormal Club. I became friends with
Speaker 1: the band teacher, and he would hear disembodied voices in
Speaker 1: the band room, which is really weird because it's like
Speaker 1: completely soundproof. You can't hear anything on the outside, but
Speaker 1: he would hear voices in that room when nobody's there.
Speaker 1: I've actually been in that room with him talking to him,
Speaker 1: and like something will hit the symbols and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. It's the highest I've ever jumped in my
Speaker 1: entire life. I would break Olympic records if it happened again,
Speaker 1: but there was nothing by the drums. Back in the day,
Speaker 1: Northern Kentucky flooded pretty horrifically. I think it was like
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen thirty something. A giant flood happened. Like technically
Speaker 1: the school was built on top of houses that were
Speaker 1: just bulldozed into their basement. But the people that lived
Speaker 1: there during the flood, I don't know if they died
Speaker 1: in the flood, but they sure as hell went missing
Speaker 1: and they weren't found after that granted, record keeping in
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties was not the best, but most likely
Speaker 1: they passed away there. I mean, we're right by the
Speaker 1: Ohio River, so you know, if you believe in you know,
Speaker 1: connections between running water and the pair normal, there's that
Speaker 1: also nearby. The oldest account of something strange I've been
Speaker 1: able to find is allegedly the local Native Americans ran
Speaker 1: a nefhel like a biblical giant, out onto an island
Speaker 1: that was in the middle of the Ohio River and
Speaker 1: they killed it there. And don't know where the hell
Speaker 1: that island is because the water levels have risen. But
Speaker 1: like there's just the history of weird, weird stuff in
Speaker 1: that area. Plus like parents, former principals, uh school board members, students,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm the weird guy now, so they'll come tell
Speaker 1: me their stories. The former principal has a UFO sighting
Speaker 1: from when he was a kid that was investigated by
Speaker 1: Jay Allen Heineck with Project Blue Book. So like there's
Speaker 1: that on the banks of the river. Kids claim that
Speaker 1: there's dogmen in the woods in Windygoes. There's been a
Speaker 1: handful of bigfoot fightings in the area of Bigfoot, you know,
Speaker 1: swimming across the Ohio River, bigfood walking across the street
Speaker 1: because it's it's heavily populated, but like, there's decent amounts
Speaker 1: of light woods in the area. I'm not too sure
Speaker 1: a bigfoot could really live there, but they claim it's there.
Speaker 1: And then there's a pig lady that that story goes
Speaker 1: back to, like the nineteen forties that's seen in the area.
Speaker 2: A pig lady. Okay, what's the story with the pig lady.
Speaker 2: I've never heard of a pig lady before.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about this until the first time. I
Speaker 1: had the tension and the kids that were in there
Speaker 1: were like, you're the weird guy. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: his story. There's like four different stories, but like the
Speaker 1: veryon that has the most elements of all of those,
Speaker 1: that seems like it's probably the closest to whatever the
Speaker 1: truth is. Is that this woman was walking down I
Speaker 1: think it's Route eight in Kentucky when she was either
Speaker 1: hit by a car or shoved out of a car
Speaker 1: if she wasn't walking, and getting hit by the car
Speaker 1: thrown out of the car led to her hitting her head.
Speaker 1: And story A is that she hit her head and
Speaker 1: she passed away immediately and she was eaten by pigs
Speaker 1: and she came back together as some hog lady. And
Speaker 1: the other story is that she hit her head. A
Speaker 1: local farmer went and you know, rescued her and because
Speaker 1: she was so disfigured, he cut the head of a
Speaker 1: pig off of and put it on her face.
Speaker 2: Jeez.
Speaker 1: Both of them just sound like urban legends, but the
Speaker 1: people that I talked to they seem to believe it. Kids,
Speaker 1: but like jumors and seniors, they will go out and
Speaker 1: do like hog woman hunts through the woods and they'll
Speaker 1: follow the railroad tracks to like the deep woods because
Speaker 1: that's probably the easiest way to get back there, and
Speaker 1: like they have pig calls and everything trying to finder.
Speaker 1: Every year they come back with stories. Some kids say
Speaker 1: that they saw somebody in the woods that could be her.
Speaker 1: That's where they came back with a wind to go
Speaker 1: siding that something came at them on all fours and
Speaker 1: that stood up and ran at them. But people in
Speaker 1: that area seem to believe it.
Speaker 2: So it's just one of those places where there's just
Speaker 2: a bunch of weird shit happening all the time.
Speaker 1: There's just so much weird lore in the area, and
Speaker 1: you really wouldn't think it. You're just like, oh, this
Speaker 1: town's you know, if it's just you know, a plane,
Speaker 1: because it's super small, it's like two miles wide. It's
Speaker 1: just like a liberal town near the Ohio River. But
Speaker 1: what everybody has a story of something.
Speaker 2: I wonder how many schools out there are on it,
Speaker 2: or how stories of being on it, because my high
Speaker 2: school was pretty famous locally being haunted. There was a
Speaker 2: band director that had a heart attack during a performance.
Speaker 2: I think it was an after school performance. I don't
Speaker 2: think it was during the day, but he was literally
Speaker 2: like up there, and I think the story was that
Speaker 2: they were performing a song called bring Me Sweet Death
Speaker 2: or something like that, something very yeah, something very fitting,
Speaker 2: and he died right there on the spot of a
Speaker 2: heart attack in the auditorium. And I was heavily involved
Speaker 2: in stagecraft and all that stuff. I ran sound for
Speaker 2: the school, so I would spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: in that auditorium by myself, and it definitely had a
Speaker 2: vibe to it. I never experienced anything other than you know,
Speaker 2: strange noises that big empty auditoriums make occasionally, but there
Speaker 2: were a few people that said they saw stuff every
Speaker 2: now and then. And then there was a bass spent
Speaker 2: level to the school that was supposedly haunted, and again
Speaker 2: it was also very creepy, but the area of it
Speaker 2: that was haunted, they had converted part of it into
Speaker 2: a kind of like a batting cage area for the
Speaker 2: baseball team to practice in. And it was a very
Speaker 2: unassuming door. There was no windows on the door or anything.
Speaker 2: You had to have a key togain there. I only
Speaker 2: went in there one time, but you like unlock it
Speaker 2: and it's just this big empty room and they had
Speaker 2: hung up you know, nets and stuff for the batting practice,
Speaker 2: but there was no windows or anything. Like I said,
Speaker 2: it was the basement floor and so like, yeah, the
Speaker 2: kids would you know, turn the lights off and try
Speaker 2: to scare one another. And then there was another story
Speaker 2: about a phantom car that would drive down the street
Speaker 2: behind the school and pull into the back parking lot
Speaker 2: and circle the back parking lot and then kind of
Speaker 2: fade away as it drove out of the parking lot.
Speaker 2: And I think it was like an old Mustang or
Speaker 2: something like that. But I never saw that stuff either,
Speaker 2: But the stories were cool, and uh, yeah, it's just
Speaker 2: weird because you whenever you think about the theories behind
Speaker 2: how places are haunted, a school doesn't really seem like
Speaker 2: a place that would be haunted all that often, but
Speaker 2: you hear lots of these stories.
Speaker 1: There's enough weird things with schools to the point that like,
Speaker 1: so my wife's a teacher and my mom's a teacher.
Speaker 1: People in their districts and other districts around me have
Speaker 1: been like, hey, like would you bring your stuff in?
Speaker 1: And like we walk around because this happened. This happened,
Speaker 1: you know, Billy Sue said that he saw somebody hanging
Speaker 1: from a rope in you know, the uh whatever, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have strict the locker room, and nobody knows, but
Speaker 1: a long time ago, when the school was first being built,
Speaker 1: somebody's snow and hung themselves in there. We try to
Speaker 1: keep it hush hush, or like, there's so much weird
Speaker 1: stuff that now gets filtered to me because of my
Speaker 1: job that like, there's probably fifteen fifteen schools I could
Speaker 1: go into right now across Kentucky because some of them
Speaker 1: are in southeastern Kentucky central Kentucky that have all asked
Speaker 1: me like, hey, could you come in and tell us
Speaker 1: what's going on. I like to think that because there's
Speaker 1: so many people there, it's like a battery or like
Speaker 1: a charging station for ghost and maybe some of these
Speaker 1: kids are like lighthouses for them or beacons a light, like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm putting off the energy. Come here, and then they
Speaker 1: just stay because they can, you know, absorb that energy
Speaker 1: or whatever. And that that's an idea that kind of
Speaker 1: has stuck with me for a while. One of my
Speaker 1: first jobs, I worked at a movie theater that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be haunted, and nothing really happened to me.
Speaker 1: But like there's a guy that claimed he got abducted
Speaker 1: by aliens, and like that was one of the things
Speaker 1: he said. He's like, oh, it happened here because so
Speaker 1: many people come here and there's so many emotions and
Speaker 1: there's so many, you know, so much activity here during
Speaker 1: the day that something supernatural can just feed off of it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not. I mean,
Speaker 1: Zach Began's could say it, and I definitely wouldn't believe it,
Speaker 1: but I like to think it's real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking the same sort of line
Speaker 2: of thought as that while we were talking about how
Speaker 2: you know, over the years, you have so many kids
Speaker 2: that come and go, and a lot of them are
Speaker 2: going through puberty. A lot of them are, you know,
Speaker 2: dealing with things home and keeping them to themselves whenever
Speaker 2: they come to school, but still thinking about lots of
Speaker 2: emotions and stuff, all sorts of things going on. And
Speaker 2: maybe that is some sort of magnet or you know,
Speaker 2: energy thing that these things feed off of. And the
Speaker 2: same thing could be true about, you know, all the
Speaker 2: kids going out there looking for the pig woman or
Speaker 2: the hog lady or whatever her name is. They might
Speaker 2: they might be yeah, they might be manifesting their own encounters.
Speaker 1: Somehow I got pulled into this. End of October in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, a six year old girl told her
Speaker 1: parents that, and this is how she phrased it, the
Speaker 1: black man hanging from her ceiling is scaring her at night.
Speaker 1: So I spoke to them, and I ended up speaking
Speaker 1: to the kid like, what do you mean that black man?
Speaker 1: Does he look black like you know this person insert
Speaker 1: Donald Glover whoever, or like black is in a shadow?
Speaker 1: And she said it was like a shadow, So like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean he's hanging from your ceiling? Is
Speaker 1: he hanging from something, and in my head, I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be hanging from a news uh. And what
Speaker 1: she said is significantly worse. She said that this guy
Speaker 1: that's on her ceiling had his feet on the wall
Speaker 1: and his hands on the ceiling, and he'd turn his
Speaker 1: head so he could stare at her.
Speaker 2: Nope, huh huh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The parents are like, what do we do? I'm like,
Speaker 1: you burned down the house?
Speaker 2: Yeap, what do you mean when you do?
Speaker 1: I gave probably the worst horror movie dad advice ever
Speaker 1: of talk to him next time, see what he wants,
Speaker 1: and see who he is. The next day they called
Speaker 1: me and the little girl said his name is Ryan
Speaker 1: Hill and he fell through the ice and drowned in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And this isn't South, this isn't Southeastern Kentucky. And I
Speaker 1: was like, did you ask him what he wanted? And
Speaker 1: she's like, yeah, he wants help crossing over. Like again,
Speaker 1: most stereotypical horror movie shit I have ever seen. I
Speaker 1: tried to do some research. I couldn't find much. My
Speaker 1: law school connections are still there and they have access
Speaker 1: to a lot of databases, so I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you find me a Ryan Hill? That drowned in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: that fell through the ice thirty minutes later. But like,
Speaker 1: here's the Ryan Hill he died on this day he
Speaker 1: fell through the ice in Minnesota. Like cool, Send me
Speaker 1: as much as you can through that. I was able
Speaker 1: to find an obituary in a photo, so we got together.
Speaker 1: We got like six or eight photos of random white
Speaker 1: guys and put this guy's photo in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, that guy, does he look
Speaker 1: like any of these? And she pointed like straight at
Speaker 1: the obituary photo. Was she like, i' Sam, I don't know.
Speaker 2: How do you explain that.
Speaker 1: They're in southeastern Kentucky. This person died in Minnesota. The
Speaker 1: only connection I found is the oldest map I was
Speaker 1: able to find to that area was from nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: seven where their house is, and it's on top of
Speaker 1: like a limestone and karst bed because that's where the
Speaker 1: mines that were in the area we're looking for in
Speaker 1: that time period. And like places, there's other places that
Speaker 1: are super haunted that are like that, like the Belwich
Speaker 1: Farm in Adams, Tennessee. So I'm like, maybe this is
Speaker 1: a ghost lighthouse. I don't know. Man, The last time
Speaker 1: I checked up on them. I you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what to do. I was like, hey, here's a spiritualist.
Speaker 1: She might be able to help you. I would just
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'm six, I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey man.
Speaker 1: Last time I checked up on him, which was a
Speaker 1: couple months ago, they haven't seen him. Apparently he has
Speaker 1: moved on. Now this girl's Quinn brother, which they're now,
Speaker 1: what's eight. He apparently sees shadow figures looking in from
Speaker 1: the hallway that are his size. So still still researching that.
Speaker 1: But uh, I don't know. There's just weird. Weird stuff
Speaker 1: finds their way to me.
Speaker 2: So what's your favorite case or even topic, like what's
Speaker 2: your thing that you're into.
Speaker 1: I would say the thing I'm into the most, just
Speaker 1: because i've seen one is like UFOs, Like it is
Speaker 1: most likely not alien it's most likely government stuff. When
Speaker 1: I was thirteen, so maybe a little bit less than
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, I don't have enough fingers for this math. Me.
Speaker 1: My stepdad was a truck driver, so like we went
Speaker 1: across the country and we were I know, we were
Speaker 1: close to Roswell, uh because I wanted to go and
Speaker 1: they don't let semi trucks into like down Main Street
Speaker 1: in Roswell because it's so small. But we were driving
Speaker 1: down the Understate. I was like, look there's a UFO.
Speaker 1: Look look look he looked up. He goes there's an UFO.
Speaker 1: He like he doesn't believe it. Anything. A ghost could
Speaker 1: appear in front of him and disappear and he'd be like, ah, magicians,
Speaker 1: like I felt like, but he saw was UFO, So
Speaker 1: like I was amped. I'm like, somebody else saw it,
Speaker 1: and it was just like a translucent triangle. It eventually
Speaker 1: like blinked, blinked, disappeared. Maybe my eyes unfocused, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And the thing that like solidified that for me is
Speaker 1: we went to a fly in Jay truck stop like
Speaker 1: thirty minutes down the road, and our waitress is like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong. He's like, I swear to god we saw UFO.
Speaker 1: And she's like, give me a second, and she came
Speaker 1: back with like an old polaroid. It looked exactly like
Speaker 1: what we saw, except that picture was taken at night.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, that's it and my set
Speaker 1: that's like other people see and she's like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: people that just walked out, they said they saw it too.
Speaker 1: People see it all the time. Don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, most likely military aircraft. If I had to guess,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it's little Green men. But UFO
Speaker 1: stories geeked me out, especially because like I'm close enough
Speaker 1: to go to right pat and go to the Air
Speaker 1: Force Museum and be like, Ah, that's the UFO from
Speaker 1: this episode of X Files because it's finally been declassified.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. A polaroid though, Like, you can't fake
Speaker 2: a polaroid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean at that point, she could have drew
Speaker 1: it and crayon, and I think I'd still freak out, like.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's it. Yeah. I don't know what to think
Speaker 2: about the UFO stuff. I've seen, like one thing during
Speaker 2: the day with my cousin that I can't explain. Back
Speaker 2: whenever I was like sixteen, and then I saw some
Speaker 2: strange lights that I still don't have an explanation for
Speaker 2: that was just really bizarre. Whenever I it's probably about
Speaker 2: a year before that actually, but the strange lights that
Speaker 2: I saw. The weirdest thing about that is me and
Speaker 2: my buddy were staying at my family's lake house and
Speaker 2: he was into UFO stuff. I wasn't at that time.
Speaker 2: I was always into ghost stuff. But he was just like, hey,
Speaker 2: let's go look for UFOs, just like you can't just
Speaker 2: go look for UFOs. What are you talking about? And
Speaker 2: then we yeah, and then we went and saw UFOs
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2: And we went the the lake house that we were
Speaker 2: staying in and where we were at was probably a
Speaker 2: quarter mile away, and we walked all the way back
Speaker 2: to the house, got a cassette recorder because that's like
Speaker 2: all we had at the time to document anything with.
Speaker 2: And we took the cassette recorder back down there and
Speaker 2: described what was going on. And they were still there,
Speaker 2: so like I don't know how, I don't know how
Speaker 2: much time that took, but you know, so like if
Speaker 2: it was airplanes or something like, why would they still
Speaker 2: be there?
Speaker 1: And what's the Can you give a general location of.
Speaker 2: That northeastern Oklahoma? Like around the closest town is going
Speaker 2: to be a place called Prior, Oklahoma in like Lake Hudson,
Speaker 2: Grand Lake area, and there's like a some sort back then.
Speaker 2: Things have changed now, but at the time I do
Speaker 2: know that there was some sort of military base up
Speaker 2: in Kansas, I want to say, either Kansas or Missouri.
Speaker 2: That every once in a while we would see like
Speaker 2: black hawks and stuff fly over the lake house, and
Speaker 2: it was from that base, so like I was used
Speaker 2: to that sort of thing. But these, whatever they were,
Speaker 2: or just like single points of light, they didn't really
Speaker 2: look any different than stars. They weren't blinking or anything.
Speaker 2: High elevation. There was two of them, and I didn't
Speaker 2: really think anything that much of them at first until
Speaker 2: I saw them start doing just like right angle turns
Speaker 2: in the sky and it was just nothing breaking, you know,
Speaker 2: going one direction and just complete course change. And eventually
Speaker 2: they kind of were spread apart and then they were
Speaker 2: going out of an angle to where they were going
Speaker 2: to intersect with one another. Now, obviously they're up in
Speaker 2: the sky, I'm down on the ground. I have no
Speaker 2: idea if they're the same elevation or anything like that,
Speaker 2: so who knows. But whenever they reached the I guess
Speaker 2: pinnacle where they would run into one another, it formed
Speaker 2: like one thing and then just shot off and was
Speaker 2: gone from site. Didn't see it anymore, and that's when
Speaker 2: we left the area. What that was, I don't have
Speaker 2: any idea but it's not like anything I've seen the
Speaker 2: rest of my life and nothing I had seen up
Speaker 2: to that point.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So it looks like you're not the only one.
Speaker 1: Project Bluebook investigated UFOs there in nineteen forty seven, in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine to the point that some dude in
Speaker 1: the fifties kept seeing UFOs and he created the International
Speaker 1: UFO Bureau in Oklahoma. The city they investigated over eight
Speaker 1: hundred UFO tases in the northeast.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And they're like, there's descriptions of it, like I see
Speaker 1: single balls of light, I see triangles. Police officers and
Speaker 1: sheriff deputies have seen these things.
Speaker 2: So here's something crazy for you. Uh this Within the
Speaker 2: past year, I had a guest on this podcast that
Speaker 2: was talking to me about bigfoot stuff, and he's in
Speaker 2: the same general area now going into this conversation. He
Speaker 2: didn't know that I had any history with this lake
Speaker 2: where I live. It's like an hour and a half
Speaker 2: away from this place, so it's it's not like something
Speaker 2: that somebody would connect me to or anything. And like
Speaker 2: I do many of my guests, I asked him, have
Speaker 2: you ever experienced anything besides bigfoot? Because a lot of
Speaker 2: people experience multiple types of DOMA. And he tells me
Speaker 2: a UFO story from the same lake that I was at,
Speaker 2: and to give you an idea, whenever I saw these
Speaker 2: lights in the sky, I was standing on a boat
Speaker 2: ramp at the lake, so I was at the lake itself.
Speaker 2: And he told me, I can't remember when it was.
Speaker 2: I want to say it was maybe in the early
Speaker 2: two thousands. I'd have to go back and listen. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure. But he was out on the lake fishing
Speaker 2: and he was with somebody I can't remember who, but
Speaker 2: he swears up and down that he saw a UFO
Speaker 2: come out of the lake and just shoot straight up
Speaker 2: into the air and disappear. And he said it was
Speaker 2: like a classic disc shape with multiple colored lights on
Speaker 2: it and everything. But he said it was only about
Speaker 2: the size of a car. I think it wasn't very
Speaker 2: big at all. But it came out of the same lake,
Speaker 2: said and I thought, that's crazy, Like this dude doesn't
Speaker 2: know me, he doesn't know about my UFO siding there,
Speaker 2: and he's telling me he saw a UFO come out
Speaker 2: of the lake, Like that's nuts. So I thought that
Speaker 2: was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I mean, so the first time I heard
Speaker 1: of the UFO coming out of water was the USS
Speaker 1: nimic stuff. Yeah, but it sounds like I keep hearing
Speaker 1: more and more people have seen that. They just I
Speaker 1: guess didn't want to admit it for a while.
Speaker 2: A buddy of mine, Phil Poulin, who runs the Pair
Speaker 2: of Breakdown YouTube channel. I don't know how much information
Speaker 2: he wants me to give out, but he used to
Speaker 2: be a police officer and he responded to a call
Speaker 2: one nay about strange lights I believe in Washington, either
Speaker 2: at a lake or a harbor or something, and he
Speaker 2: went and checked on it and he saw, I mean,
Speaker 2: what people would call a UFO like in the water there.
Speaker 2: And he's actually been on a television show talking about it,
Speaker 2: maybe confidentially. It might have been anonymous. So if I,
Speaker 2: you know, gave it away, sorry, but yeah, he.
Speaker 1: May have poured a full Bob Lazaar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple but no.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, UFO stuff. USO stuff is crazy. I never thought
Speaker 2: we would be in times where the government's like actually
Speaker 2: publicly looking into it and like saying, yeah, there's some
Speaker 2: stuff that we don't really have explanations for whether that
Speaker 2: will ever lead to anything, or if there's an ulterior
Speaker 2: motive behind it. I don't know, but it's still interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: I need more information. So I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: talked about this on my channel, and I need to.
Speaker 2: Back back.
Speaker 1: When I worked at the movie theater, maybe maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit after that. We were all me and three
Speaker 1: other dudes were at the gym, and every night there
Speaker 1: was like a Vietnam veteran that would always be in
Speaker 1: there and work out. One of my friends he worked
Speaker 1: at the gym, so like he's like that guy talks
Speaker 1: to us all the time. I'm gonna, you know, pull
Speaker 1: up this thing and see if he's just always in
Speaker 1: here when we're in here. When he pulled up his
Speaker 1: profile that said, like this guy has severe PTSD, leave
Speaker 1: him alone if he wants to talk to you, like,
Speaker 1: let him talk to you, like this is per request
Speaker 1: of his daughter or whatever. So he told us that
Speaker 1: we left that guy alone. One night. We're talking about
Speaker 1: a guy that we used to work with at the
Speaker 1: movie theater who, Uh, as much as I want to
Speaker 1: think he's crazy, he was actually the lawyer of one
Speaker 1: of the SEC football teams. To get to that point,
Speaker 1: I assume you have to not be crazy and actually
Speaker 1: be pretty good at your job. But he like swears
Speaker 1: and I can get more into it if you want.
Speaker 1: That he was abducted by alien one night when he
Speaker 1: was working at the movies, to the point he's got
Speaker 1: a tattoo of it. So we're we're telling that story
Speaker 1: and old Vietnam guy hears us and he's like, if
Speaker 1: you don't talk about aliens, and like we're like, ah, shit,
Speaker 1: he's gonna make fun of us. We're like, yeah, he goes,
Speaker 1: you hear about the USS nimics And this was before
Speaker 1: I think I think this was right before the New
Speaker 1: York Times article in twenty fifteen. So he tells us
Speaker 1: about it, so I assume he heard about it through
Speaker 1: somebody he knew in the military. And then he proceeds
Speaker 1: to like start telling us some weird shit. I want
Speaker 1: to preface that that, like, I'm not saying that what
Speaker 1: he's saying was true, but every other story that he
Speaker 1: told us after that day, like hey, I got a
Speaker 1: purple heart. He brought in the purple heart, like he
Speaker 1: brought in metal or not purple heart. I don't know
Speaker 1: what metal it was, but he would like bring in
Speaker 1: the metals he would tell us about and everything else,
Speaker 1: so he's backed up everything else. He claims that he
Speaker 1: was working uh security at some sort of air base
Speaker 1: and that they kept seeing UFOs and like they kept
Speaker 1: calling it in and you know, planes would be scrambled
Speaker 1: to check them out. Del Eventually, like he became friends
Speaker 1: with people there. He went out to lunch with them,
Speaker 1: and they're like, you got to stop calling in those
Speaker 1: UFOs And he's like, why, like fucking their planes lining
Speaker 1: over whatever, Like no, that's like that's our shit. You're
Speaker 1: gonna get one of these pilots killed because if they
Speaker 1: see it, they report back when kill them. He's like,
Speaker 1: what why do we have that stuff? And again he
Speaker 1: could be full of shit. The person I was talking
Speaker 1: to him could be full of shit, but like they
Speaker 1: proceed They allegedly proceeded to tell him that the United
Speaker 1: States knows of multiple different races of aliens, that they
Speaker 1: share technology with different countries. That's why we were able
Speaker 1: to advance so quickly. You know, build built the first planes,
Speaker 1: then we went to the Moon thirty years later, and
Speaker 1: now we have you know, ten times the technology that
Speaker 1: sent us to the moon in our pocket. Like they
Speaker 1: proceeded to tell him tell us all this shit. So
Speaker 1: he told us that stuff. Whatever, life went on like
Speaker 1: normal before before I moved to go to law school.
Speaker 1: We saw him and we're like, hey, we're all kind
Speaker 1: of like leaving this area. Were you full of shit
Speaker 1: when you told us that? And he goes, no, I
Speaker 1: swear to god, I wasn't. I'll try to call up
Speaker 1: that guy and see if he can tell me more information.
Speaker 1: If you all want to, like, come back to the
Speaker 1: gym tomorrow. We went to the gym the next day.
Speaker 1: He wasn't there. Then like later that week, the people
Speaker 1: that like still live there went to the gym there.
Speaker 1: They asked our buddy that worked there, like, hey, you
Speaker 1: pull up his profile and see like if he's been here,
Speaker 1: if he's just dodging us. His account was deleted.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: A couple a couple of years later actually, because it
Speaker 1: was twenty twenty two, one of the guys we went
Speaker 1: to the gym with talked to that guy with us
Speaker 1: all the time. He walked into an Asian restaurant like
Speaker 1: a buffet and solemn, and that guy was there. He's
Speaker 1: talking to somebody and he's like, hey, man, I'm not
Speaker 1: singing in a while and he's like that, he said
Speaker 1: the guy, he was like, how do you know? I
Speaker 1: was here? Like what do you mean? He's like, you
Speaker 1: sawed me, didn't you? Like? It was good? Have been PTSD.
Speaker 1: But he freaked out And then they all said that
Speaker 1: they were followed by like black fans. I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: They might just be crazy, but uh, maybe they got
Speaker 1: told too much or he said too much or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. It just seems like you hear
Speaker 2: these stories like that coming from different people at different times,
Speaker 2: where there's got to be something to it. Man, There's
Speaker 2: got to be a grain of truth somewhere in there,
Speaker 2: even if it's not all totally accurate. It people didn't
Speaker 2: just imagine all this stuff on their own and come
Speaker 2: up with the same things and the same stories over
Speaker 2: and over and over. What's the story with the guy
Speaker 2: that got abducted at the movie theater? Though? That's crazy.
Speaker 1: This dude's a law professor. He's a very successful lawyer.
Speaker 1: He was part of the night cleaning crew, which they
Speaker 1: come in after the last movies over. So he went
Speaker 1: out the back door of the theater and he was
Speaker 1: going to take out trash and like he was apparently
Speaker 1: blinded by this giant bright light, so his eyes like
Speaker 1: adjusted to what he thought was a spotlight. And for reference,
Speaker 1: like this movie theater is at the bottom of a
Speaker 1: giant hill and at the top of the hill is
Speaker 1: a it's pretty shitty but like an arena, and it
Speaker 1: was being built at the time, so he thought it
Speaker 1: was a spotlight up there. But then he realized that,
Speaker 1: like this l was moving and there was a hum
Speaker 1: in the air. So he watched this you know, super
Speaker 1: bright UFO fly around, and he said that he was
Speaker 1: amazed and it was, you know, like the most transformative
Speaker 1: moments of his life. Right the point that he's got
Speaker 1: a giant tat two of it on his arm that
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, let me tell you the story, and
Speaker 1: he'll like wall up his sleeve. So after a few minutes,
Speaker 1: he said, the UFO disappeared and he went back inside
Speaker 1: to tell the rest of the cleaning crew that he
Speaker 1: saw UFO. Says, he walked up to them, They're all
Speaker 1: gathered in the lobby. They all seemed like relieved, I
Speaker 1: guess uh that he was there, and then uh, like
Speaker 1: the manager started yelling at it. So he began to
Speaker 1: explain like I saw Ufo. Although why you're mad? I
Speaker 1: was only outside for like two or three minutes watching
Speaker 1: this thing, and they all got like super quiet, Like
Speaker 1: he hadn't seen you for hours. Your car was in
Speaker 1: the parking lot. We couldn't find you, and we were
Speaker 1: deciding if we should call the cops and report you missing.
Speaker 1: He had been gone for like four hours. He doesn't,
Speaker 1: you know, He's not like Travis Walton. He can't tell
Speaker 1: you know that he was on a ship and what
Speaker 1: he none of that. But he's like I saw UFO
Speaker 1: came back in lost three hours of time, to the
Speaker 1: point that they almost called the cops because they couldn't
Speaker 1: find me. And they even said that they had walked
Speaker 1: out there by the trash cans the check and see
Speaker 1: if he was back there too.
Speaker 2: Man. That scares the crap out of me, dude, Like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't you know, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: just the idea that you know, you hear those stories
Speaker 2: so much in the UFO world, the missing time stuff,
Speaker 2: where like just the idea that you could have lived
Speaker 2: through some horrific incident and don't even know it. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's it's terrifying. I appreciate you coming on and talking
Speaker 2: to me, and we'll have to do it again.
Speaker 1: Brother, I'm down, but yeah, I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 2: If you've had an encounter with something you can't explain,
Speaker 2: like bigfoot, dog man, ghosts, UFOs, or anything else, send
Speaker 2: me an email a Bigfoot Crossroads at JEMA dot com.
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Speaker 2: need all in one place. And until next time, remember
Speaker 2: there's something in the woods.