1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,679 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, and welcome to life is a gamble. My 2 00:00:15,039 --> 00:00:20,480 guest today is Norm Beck. Norm is a professional bridge 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,399 player and world class magician and all around rack and 4 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:28,320 tour Norm. Welcome to life is a gamble. 5 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, thank you for having me privilege. 6 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: I really got interested. One time I asked you about 7 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:42,039 what was the biggest gamble you ever took in your life, 8 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,039 and you said something about a bet that you won 9 00:00:46,439 --> 00:00:49,759 that turned out to be the biggest loser. So that's 10 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:52,200 where what I wanted to talk about today. So can 11 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:53,240 you explain that. 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: So I'm from a small town of Oklahoma. 13 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:00,439 Speaker 3: When I went to college Durant, which is one hundred 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:05,120 miles off, I got involved with bridge, and I had 15 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,519 a short career and law enforcement had a shourth career 16 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:13,760 intern I was really enamored with bridge. When I stay enamored, 17 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:18,599 I'm talking like pill ivy type of me. I take 18 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,280 it really sterious. And the best player in the world 19 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,879 with in Dallas gun named Bob Hammond. He was at 20 00:01:25,879 --> 00:01:28,239 the time the best player in the world. And I 21 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,040 got a chance to work for a lot of the 22 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,519 really good bridge players in Dallas, all the same doctor, 23 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,040 and so without thinking anything, about it. 24 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: I took him on as my doctor. 25 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:45,159 Speaker 3: We were at a bridge and it would be the 26 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,400 same thing as a poker tournament, but it was like 27 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:51,480 a small bridge and this doctor had just made what 28 00:01:51,599 --> 00:01:54,840 was at the time the highest rankie at haven Bridge, 29 00:01:54,879 --> 00:01:56,359 which was probably life Master. 30 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:01,239 Speaker 2: That mean by excepting played the lot anyway evacuated. 31 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: It was the turn for the team of four where 32 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,040 we had four people on the team and it was 33 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:07,920 basically him in three chairs. 34 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: In a POPEC tournament, it would have been the same 35 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:11,080 as dead money. 36 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: How guests to be a proper term, and he said, 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,199 we need to make a bet on the tournament, and 38 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,159 I'm thinking, you know, he wants to better you know, 39 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:26,400 launch or dinner. I felt like I definitely was in 40 00:02:26,439 --> 00:02:30,479 an overlay position and I said, okay, sir, what do 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,680 you have in mind? He said, if you beat me, 42 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,400 or it said if I beat you, and you have to. 43 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: Teach my son and how to be a really good magician. 44 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:41,520 It's real subjective. 45 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: Who knows what really good means or how I would 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,840 take And I said, okay, what advice to beat you? 47 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,280 He said, you won't pay for your health insurance or 48 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,479 your medical coverage for ten years I'll take care of 49 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,599 I only had to thank for this milliseconds. 50 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:04,439 Speaker 2: It said, shuffles far as you got back, and so we. 51 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 3: Played and we prevailed reading. He said, okay, from now on, 52 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,400 everything's free, and I thought, man, this is great. 53 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: And then not long after that he had a stroke 54 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,960 and died. But in the court but to his world, 55 00:03:24,199 --> 00:03:26,039 I mean, he never charged me drinking. 56 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: The problem was I had two medical conditions that he is. 57 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:36,639 Because I was that my better half would say something 58 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,840 I couldn't hear her, and she kept saying, go get 59 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:43,280 your hearing checked, Go get hearing checked. 60 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: And I just ignored her. 61 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: Finally I came in one day and stand me a 62 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:50,360 bit and started to go get your daring checking. 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,599 Speaker 4: And I did it, but not because I thought I 64 00:03:54,639 --> 00:03:57,280 had a problem, because I wanted her to shut up, 65 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:01,520 have me shut up to her what I wanted asking 66 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:02,080 me about. 67 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: So we got my hairingsack and when I got done, 68 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,000 the guy said, you mean an MRI and I said, okay, 69 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,319 I'm thinking they're going to scheduto what two weeks for 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,879 the months or something else, you know. Okay, point when 71 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,399 he said your appointments in forty five minutes, I've already 72 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:24,000 made it for you after. I mean, I know a 73 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,519 little bit about tells, but it's one good. So we 74 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,639 got me and Mari and he said, now there'll be 75 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,399 a doctor trollowing you tomorrow doctors govers for a different, 76 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,319 different doctor. 77 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,639 Speaker 2: And I thought, yeah, right, okay. 78 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 3: So next day I get a phone call, not from 79 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:44,040 a reception, it's not from a nerve, from the doctor. 80 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,240 He said, you need to come in and see me. 81 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,959 I said, okay, what time? He said, doesn't matter, for 82 00:04:50,199 --> 00:04:54,240 every view time I'm gonna see. I thought, oh, this 83 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:58,160 is not good. So I showed up and immediately they 84 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:00,959 took a technical exam and he took me back to 85 00:05:01,079 --> 00:05:03,079 his private office. 86 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:04,759 Speaker 2: They've all but flats and up. 87 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,879 Speaker 3: On the wall and I stepped down and he said, well, 88 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,240 I know what's the problem man. He said, you have 89 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:14,800 a tooth stick norma. He said, you know what the 90 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:15,920 toothstick norhomi is. 91 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,079 Speaker 2: I said, yeah, I know what a penstick is. I said, 92 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,959 what she used to play fool? He said no, He said, 93 00:05:22,079 --> 00:05:24,800 you have a brain to He said, it's the size 94 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,480 of the baby. He said, now it's not militia. He said, 95 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,759 it's benine. He said, if you don't give me names. 96 00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:37,360 Just leave a alone. He said, all kill you. That's wrong. 97 00:05:38,519 --> 00:05:39,040 Time out. 98 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,879 Speaker 3: I said, I don't know what's behind doing number two 99 00:05:42,879 --> 00:05:45,279 and doing number three, but I don't like doing number one. 100 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,399 He said, well or those two or three? He said, 101 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:52,600 the only choice you have is to have brain surgery. 102 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,120 He said, it will be about twelve hours long. Men 103 00:05:56,199 --> 00:06:00,680 a neuro sergeant. He said, you'll be in I see 104 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,680 you nero neural. I see you for a battle week. 105 00:06:06,519 --> 00:06:09,560 Then you'll have a year recovery. You won't feel good 106 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:12,959 for a year. Yeah, right, saying no way, and I'm 107 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,759 going to keep me down for a year. And I 108 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:22,199 said okay. So now I came home and I couldn't 109 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,079 stay the words to my better hand. 110 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,399 Speaker 5: I have a brain couldn't do so I wrote around 111 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:35,240 again and so started prep for it. But it's the 112 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,079 first thing I did as a gambler. 113 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,959 Speaker 3: The very first thing I did was I hired a 114 00:06:41,079 --> 00:06:44,360 malpractice attorney before I ever went in for my neuro 115 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:48,120 surgeon comp So go to this one of the best 116 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:50,720 personal jury attorneys and stay. 117 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: So I want to hire you for a couple of hours. 118 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: He said, you're involved in a car ring. He said, 119 00:06:56,879 --> 00:07:02,360 you had an adverse reaction to a drug said. He said, 120 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,319 you had some mistreatment in the hospital. 121 00:07:05,399 --> 00:07:05,879 Speaker 2: I said no. 122 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:08,199 Speaker 3: He said, we're going to have a hard time winning 123 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:12,879 this lost. I said, I want to do anybody stop 124 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,360 why I'm here. I said, you're the best personal envy 125 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:20,240 attorney in the state. I said, I got to go 126 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:22,680 in for twelve hours of brain surgery and I need 127 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,120 to know if these two agents know what they're doing. 128 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:28,519 And I said, you know where all the botes were buried, 129 00:07:28,519 --> 00:07:32,240 and you know what's behind that were closet. He looked 130 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:35,319 at me like I was on drugs. I've been practicing 131 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,639 off for thirty five years. He said, nobody's ever made 132 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,879 this request. I said, well too, yesterday I didn't need you. 133 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,160 What was funny are running was at the same time 134 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:52,000 there was another neu Rose in Dallas that they convicted 135 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,000 a murder and now practice it was operating on people 136 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,199 when he was high and cocain in tequila. So I mean, 137 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:02,279 I can't just picked him if I didn't know, I 138 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:06,920 just you know, But I was I'm smarteran no that 139 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,759 I'm not smart enough to know. So when there's some 140 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:14,279 sejects I don't know, I don't pretend it and wang it. 141 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,319 I go find out who the very best is and 142 00:08:17,439 --> 00:08:19,240 what their for field it is I need to know, 143 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:21,360 And say, what do I need to know? 144 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,759 Speaker 2: You live in Vegas, and one of the things that 145 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:25,480 happened to me. 146 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: A number of years ago, you used to travel to Vegas, 147 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,799 you know, probably three or four times. I have a 148 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,200 lot of friends in Vegas that I won't mention their 149 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:39,799 names because it doesn't really add the fact in the story. 150 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,559 But they used to be at placed the Gamblers book Club, 151 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,919 and guy who read it was a chair and I 152 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,399 really liked him and would go every time I came 153 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,039 to Vegas. 154 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,879 Speaker 2: There were two places I was winning. 155 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 3: I always went to the Gamblers book Club and I 156 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:57,960 always went to Gamblers to Home Store. 157 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: So I'm going with this friend of mine who's from 158 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,480 the Aniver's book Club. 159 00:09:02,879 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: And there's a brand new book on black jack that's 160 00:09:05,759 --> 00:09:08,200 a book by an author that either one leves you 161 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:13,240 ever heard of, twenty fifteen bucks. My friend, who knows 162 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:19,279 as much about black Jacket's anyone in the world, pick up. 163 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,039 Speaker 2: He buys it. I said, what do you doing? You 164 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,039 know we're about black Jackson the guy who wrote the book. 165 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 3: I said, we never heard that's true, he said, But 166 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,519 what there's something in the book that I don't I 167 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,159 can't afford to not know. So I can buy the book, 168 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:45,759 I can go through it sitting on the jarn and 169 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:49,679 if there's nothing that I need obviously gifted, you know, 170 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,720 change my perspective on how I look at the work. 171 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,799 That one advent in that book store changed the way 172 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:01,840 I so now do exactly the same thing. Because he 173 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,480 waits smarter than I am. If there's four or five steps, 174 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:08,279 thinks I'm really interested in person who book comes out, 175 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,519 I just buy it. I read everything there is to 176 00:10:10,639 --> 00:10:12,399 know about that's you know. 177 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: So. 178 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:19,519 Speaker 3: But so after I saw this practice attorney, he's fourth 179 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,360 in the hospital for five years when I was a 180 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:25,679 police officer security, and so I got to know the 181 00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:29,200 ends and outs of a hospital. And in a hospital, 182 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,279 there's one group of people that will not bullshit you. 183 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:36,759 You might get bullshited by the administration, you might have 184 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:40,639 a doctor not be totally candid with you. But the 185 00:10:40,759 --> 00:10:44,720 one group of people that one hundred percent you can 186 00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:48,919 trust are the our hands because they don't take any 187 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:52,440 bs off of And I also know that there's one 188 00:10:52,519 --> 00:10:56,240 thing that our hands have, your soft its food. 189 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: So what I did was, I know what all right? 190 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: No doctors and administrators are her char went and got 191 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,120 went to a doumbut shop and rt by a great 192 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,120 big box to domnut and a great big jug of 193 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:11,480 good talk. 194 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 2: And I go to the neural. I see you two 195 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,159 o'clock in the morning, and nobody there but the Marins 196 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,639 and the order leavesing me, and. 197 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 3: So I save it to him and exclaimed to him 198 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,120 while I was there, and it was one kind of 199 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,480 I'm not gonna say howing, but it wasn't the best 200 00:11:30,519 --> 00:11:32,279 looking gall on the block. 201 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: Problem but really not. She kind of had a stop 202 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,639 part of warm. 203 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: Air, told what my problem was, and I said, look, 204 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,440 you know, I'm never I've never really been in the hospital. 205 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:50,039 Speaker 2: I could in the spell acoustic neuroma, still can't. 206 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 6: I don't know anything about the i CEU of what's involved. 207 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:57,399 But what I need to know is what kind of 208 00:11:57,519 --> 00:12:02,000 doctors doctor the glory She's her mind right from me. 209 00:12:03,039 --> 00:12:06,879 And I was scared, to be honest with you, I 210 00:12:07,039 --> 00:12:10,320 was scared. I mean, uh, I know you have a 211 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,120 lot of people on here to gamble. I've yambled for something, 212 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:17,399 I've gambled for more money on one single bet than anybody, 213 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:17,720 you know. 214 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,399 Speaker 3: I bet as much as a billion dollars on a 215 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,159 single bed, but I never was It didn't bother me 216 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,360 because it wasn't my money. 217 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,279 Speaker 2: I was kind of free. 218 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,279 Speaker 3: Rolling it, but just bothered me because if I mastered 219 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,679 it up, there wouldn't have a second chance. So I 220 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:34,720 asked her young doctor. She said, well, I'll tell you 221 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:39,360 she's said. He right, he's calm, he's got a really 222 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:45,080 shitty bedside, and he's the best blankly blank blanket. 223 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,759 Speaker 2: Neurosurgeon in the city. I said, he and I will 224 00:12:47,799 --> 00:12:48,159 get along. 225 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,159 Speaker 7: Just so that was, you know, that was once I 226 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,960 felt comfortable and it didn't make me long because I 227 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,559 talked to people but knew I want to end. 228 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 2: I'm sure enough blah blah, twelve and a half our 229 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,000 brain sort of. Oh. 230 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: One other thing I did that people that listen to 231 00:13:06,039 --> 00:13:09,720 this would have never thought to do. I hired another doctor. 232 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,519 I hired a doctor to sit with my mother and 233 00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:21,799 my pardner, my girlfriend during the certainty. And the reason 234 00:13:21,879 --> 00:13:25,360 I did that was because if a surgeon comes out, 235 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,240 he starts talking to it, and you're a late person, 236 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:34,600 you don't really know or understand exactly what he's say 237 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,000 or not staying. 238 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: But if you have a doctor, he knows, he would 239 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,200 know if it was tired, it was bad, it was good, whatever. 240 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: And I wanted I wanted an advocate, so I was 241 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,480 willing to pay the money to have them to give 242 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:58,519 my mother and my better hand comfortable. So I was 243 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,679 in there for like about a week and I came home. 244 00:14:02,919 --> 00:14:04,799 I didn't feel good for about a year. I actually 245 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:07,240 had to go back in because I sprung a leak 246 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,840 and I had to go in and operate on me 247 00:14:08,879 --> 00:14:11,759 in a second time. But it wasn't as bad as 248 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:16,240 the first time. Take they have, you know, on scale 249 00:14:16,279 --> 00:14:18,480 of one to ten, how much pain do you have? 250 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,679 I still feel like somebody hit me over the back 251 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,159 of the with a beer bottle. He said, sorry, I 252 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:28,039 don't really know what it feels like. I said, you 253 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:34,799 weren't raised in northeastern Oklahoma like I was. That was 254 00:14:34,919 --> 00:14:36,679 kind of it, and not so as far as the 255 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,759 biggest bet and I made a love I mean, I 256 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:42,720 kind of got into the game trying in a strange way. 257 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 8: But but and how was that? How did you get 258 00:14:47,279 --> 00:14:48,399 into the gambling business? 259 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:52,679 Speaker 3: Well, I had a checkers passed and you never played 260 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:57,279 chess or chack. I learned how to count and play 261 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,759 card before I could read. My grant had play run 262 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,559 mean and privilege before I was never with what to mean. 263 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,480 And my dad never graduated in My dad was kind 264 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:11,200 of raised on the streets and he. 265 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: Never stealeded me from from life at all. 266 00:15:16,679 --> 00:15:20,759 Speaker 3: And when I was a little boy, before there was 267 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:23,799 ever carmesu a crack, before you could ever go up 268 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,559 to a window, we would go to what was for 269 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,759 Wildcat Trap and there were always two or three bookings 270 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:36,879 in and around the pattern with a racing form and 271 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:40,279 that they would say things like I'll take the number 272 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,600 two horses and under six horses you get in the field, 273 00:15:43,639 --> 00:15:45,440 or I'll take the one horse sport, you know, I mean, 274 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,919 And you would go up to him and give him 275 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,960 the money and he'd take your money, writes your name 276 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:53,240 down what the bet was, and after the race, if 277 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:56,000 you won that coup and he paid it, I. 278 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: Mean, that was you know, that was kind of how 279 00:15:59,480 --> 00:15:59,960 it worked. 280 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,679 Speaker 3: And when I got to college, you know, we played 281 00:16:04,679 --> 00:16:06,399 a little bit of poking, and when I was in 282 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,519 high school, not very much. 283 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: I never was a player, but I was a pool player. 284 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,399 Speaker 3: I mean I worked in a roadhouse as a bus 285 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:17,440 boy and a bartender at fourteen, and the owner was 286 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:20,559 a pool hustler, so he taught me how to hustle 287 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:21,679 pool kind of. 288 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: It was a really good pul hustler. But I could 289 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,440 beat the cowboys out of a beer or a dollar. 290 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: I mean for me, if I bet, if I bet 291 00:16:28,159 --> 00:16:31,639 five dollars them with somebody, I was a big bet. 292 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 8: I lost my first you were fourteen. 293 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, the first bar bet when I was fourteen, I 294 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,360 lost two dollars. 295 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,039 Speaker 8: But then wait, wait, what was the bar bet you lost? 296 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:46,159 Speaker 2: I was on a pool table. 297 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,799 Speaker 3: You put up a key ball at the corner pocket 298 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,639 and a keyball at the side a ball of corner 299 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,679 pocket the side pocket, set the rack up on the 300 00:16:55,799 --> 00:17:00,559 side like there, and he said, all my bo balls 301 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,360 in one shot and make the keyball jump off the 302 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:04,960 table and go through the rack. 303 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 2: I thought, there's no way. 304 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,079 Speaker 3: So they set the two balls down, put a boat 305 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,079 que down in front of them, sets the keyball over 306 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,920 here behind it, and taking the keyball and gets the 307 00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:20,000 the coustick cuestick, not boat balls in it went right 308 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:20,720 off the table. 309 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 2: H So you know it was. But but then when 310 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,279 I was in high school and I was like sixteen 311 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:30,039 or seventeen. 312 00:17:30,799 --> 00:17:33,799 Speaker 3: I got time at the County Fair of that game 313 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,640 called Razzle, which is by far the most diabolical con 314 00:17:38,759 --> 00:17:43,240 game you know, carvel game ever. And then because they 315 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,720 cheat on the front end, so you win and then 316 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:48,960 he lose on the back end when they're like fair. 317 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:51,200 When they're playing fair, you have out chess fore and 318 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,039 the only way you can win is if they're. 319 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,319 Speaker 2: If they're cheating for it. 320 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 3: So I lost like thirvty two dollars, which was a 321 00:17:57,519 --> 00:18:01,039 ton of money in high school, and I couldn't pay 322 00:18:01,079 --> 00:18:04,640 a hat for to happen. So I went researched it 323 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,279 and found the Carlo game and realized what happened. So 324 00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:13,720 years later I was in Atlantic City and they playing 325 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:19,079 Rassle on the boardwalk. Oh wow, And so I walked up. 326 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:23,240 And one of the first rules of being smart is 327 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:25,599 knowing how to play down. And I'm real good at 328 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,000 playing down, really good. I can play the Catholic. 329 00:18:28,839 --> 00:18:34,519 Speaker 2: Room to perfection. So I walked up, how y'all done, 330 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:37,000 what's yoat? What's going? 331 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:37,319 Speaker 1: You know? 332 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,279 Speaker 2: And they they kind of wrote me in, and so 333 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,160 I was and they was on a cost of dollars. 334 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: So I was going to play therefore times for losing 335 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,480 a dollar because I wanted to hear the kids. And 336 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,000 so I played, I win, I played, I win, I'm 337 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,000 playing I win. Finally I said to the guy, I said, 338 00:18:55,319 --> 00:18:55,480 is it? 339 00:18:56,319 --> 00:18:59,599 Speaker 2: Do you own this? He said no. I said, I 340 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,640 need to talk to your boss. He looked at me. 341 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: So what I said, Bill, I'm embarrassed to tell you, 342 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,200 but I said, I've watched you. I said, you missed 343 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:13,960 count of those gotten those three times in a row. 344 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,920 And I said, you can't even count up with them out. 345 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 2: Right them in. 346 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,759 Speaker 3: And I said, your boss needs to know how incompetent 347 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:28,960 you all? So he was, you know it was worth 348 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,240 for three four dollars. I spent to see the look 349 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:35,119 on his bidy, because you tell nobody ever done well? 350 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 1: But wait, I mean you if you had won, you 351 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:40,039 should be ahead three or four dollars, shouldn't you? No? 352 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 2: No, because you bat, you have to get to one 353 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:44,200 hundred points. It's like playing football. 354 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 3: Oh, I ain't trying to play cost your dollar as 355 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,400 soon as you get to one hundred one, but you're 356 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,839 just movement in that direction, so you don't wear a 357 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,720 prize until you get to one hundred. Typically what that 358 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,920 do that gets you like ninety eight or nine nine 359 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,240 at one point one, then you'll be on the fence 360 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:03,839 and I say, look, if you go, you can go 361 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,039 get your money and come back. And normally I'm not 362 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,839 supposed to to do it for you are lit He 363 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,599 ain't ever going, it're just not doing Yeah, it's the 364 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,039 best game I know to cheat people rated far in 365 00:20:18,079 --> 00:20:21,119 the ways of that all some of the games in 366 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,519 Las Vegas to forget that. 367 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean basically my job. I mean, I'm 368 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:30,079 I'm in my thirty fifth year. 369 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: We're basically we provide contingency cash prizes for probability based events, 370 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,640 which is a real polite last day one. Not we'll 371 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,039 we'll take me, you know, if I can figure out, 372 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:47,559 if we can figure out what the odds are and 373 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,640 if we can make say we'll do it. 374 00:20:49,759 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: Now. 375 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:51,599 Speaker 2: There are some things we won't do. 376 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,599 Speaker 3: As an example, there was a guy which I won't 377 00:20:55,680 --> 00:21:00,599 mention any names, but wanted to play poker five million, 378 00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:03,640 and he was willing to play a group of people 379 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,279 that knew how to play poker, and it would be like, 380 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,839 whoever wins ones to five million, Well, the pupker players 381 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,640 that were professional and knew what didn't have that. 382 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: So they wanted us to back it, and I said no, 383 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,240 and they were like, well why not, Well, because if 384 00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:27,599 I back you, how do I know you. 385 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: Don't throw the game that the other guy will win 386 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:31,960 and you take two and a half and you take 387 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,160 two and a half and I'm left paying out five million. 388 00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 2: And they said, we never thought of that. 389 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 3: I said, that's why you played poker for living, and 390 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,400 that's why I live in Dallas and think about stupid stuff. 391 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,279 Speaker 8: You know, Yeah, there's a problem the yeah, the idea 392 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:47,960 that they hadn't. 393 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 2: You know. 394 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: When I first moved to Las Vegas, I was a 395 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,000 very big Backammon player and I when I got to 396 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,079 Las Vegas and I would go to the back Ammon 397 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,839 Club and one of the people there was Puggy Pearson, 398 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,119 who you know, like to play Backhammon and he was 399 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,680 terrible at it. The guy who ran the back amt 400 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:12,240 club had teamed up with Puggy to play another guy 401 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,599 and they they Puggy ended up losing with the help 402 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,680 of this guy who was a professional. Puggy ended up 403 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:23,799 losing one hundred thousand dollars and then later I found 404 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:27,680 out that the guy had done exactly what you're talking about, 405 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:31,680 had had partnered with the other guy and they were 406 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:35,240 splitting puggies one hundred thousand dollars, which that kind of 407 00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:37,960 stuff was also very common in the poolroom. 408 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 8: Says I'm sure you're aware. 409 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, now you said back again. Did you ever know 410 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,000 a guy named Malcolm David? 411 00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: Oh? 412 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:48,079 Speaker 8: Sure, of course. I knew about Malcolm for decades. 413 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 414 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,839 Speaker 2: Malcolm was a good friend of mine. He was from Dolla. Yeah, 415 00:22:53,160 --> 00:23:00,720 he and I had a lot of the state. Yeah. 416 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,640 He was a very very good baglin. Yes, he was 417 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:09,599 started late in line. He wasn't he hasn't way back 418 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:10,640 again in his whole life. 419 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you were you You're very good at it. Unfortunately, 420 00:23:15,079 --> 00:23:17,640 he passed away a couple three years ago. 421 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: You know, I just I this has been great, But 422 00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:25,400 I just want to in you mentioned in passing the 423 00:23:26,039 --> 00:23:29,359 billion dollar bet, and I'm sure my audience is going, 424 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,240 wait a minute, if we want to hear about a 425 00:23:31,319 --> 00:23:32,319 billion dollar bet? 426 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 3: So uh, okay, well, so what a lot of people 427 00:23:37,599 --> 00:23:42,519 don't realize the casinos in last bit and the lobby 428 00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:47,079 around the country, they're not damned, They're not in the 429 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:48,119 gambling business. 430 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: If you think for a minute that Caesar Palace, isn't 431 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:54,759 it long, they're not. 432 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,079 Speaker 3: During the Gronden business, they're more than happy to come 433 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,160 in step limits and you read it, play for eight, ten, 434 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:04,160 twelve hours and they. 435 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 2: Put the limits on you. They're more than willing to 436 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,640 do that. So we do a lot of business with lottery. 437 00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:15,519 Speaker 3: And in fact, one of my favorite stories about the 438 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,599 lot which the same lottery that they did for the billion, 439 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:25,440 there was a lottery agent I asked my favorite question 440 00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,880 to ask people in the dambling is what's the craziest 441 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,680 thing in your line of work? 442 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 2: And I've gotten some really really clever and so guy had. 443 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,799 Speaker 3: A girlfriend in Dallas and he went to her and 444 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,039 he said, I got this lottery ticket. It's for twenty 445 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,119 five thousand dollars. Don't cash it in. I'll be back 446 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,440 into each with the Vegas and have a good time. 447 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: She's girlfriend in Houston. 448 00:24:54,279 --> 00:24:56,839 Speaker 3: So I got this lottery tickets for twenty five million, 449 00:24:57,559 --> 00:24:59,559 I'll be back into the Okay, we'll go to the 450 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,319 sounds almost like a joke. Well, the girls in Houston 451 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,599 hold on the ticket and the girlfriend and Dallas immediately 452 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,319 goes to the wattery office because of more than six 453 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,400 hundred dollars in Austin to catch it in. 454 00:25:15,279 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: So she helped the in and I said, just her ticket, yep, 455 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,200 he bought it. Yep. Has it ever been out of 456 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:27,200 your care trusting control? Nope. You understand that if you've altered. 457 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,319 Speaker 3: This ticket in a landscape for her fashion if considered broad, 458 00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:32,839 and you will be arrested. 459 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,559 Speaker 2: Nope. And you have to sign this appidatem But if 460 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:39,480 you sign this appidated and he messaged the ticket in 461 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,119 any way, you're going to go to jail. 462 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 3: I want to sign it. So the guy clearly was 463 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,960 giving her every out in the world. She signs the 464 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,640 appidavit and they sit and drown. 465 00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 2: Her arrest for brown. 466 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: Well wait, wait, let me tell you my boys went now, 467 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,359 so call the boyfriend said, yeah, I got the winning 468 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:02,599 ticket in my bill bubble. 469 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 2: He said, I had a girlfriend in Dallas. I didn't 470 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,480 know which one I could trust, so I got to 471 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:14,279 test it. So but back to so that was twenty 472 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,119 five thousand, was not a big deal. 473 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 3: So they wanted to do a di store for a 474 00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:26,880 billion dollars for a lottery that if you had played 475 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,880 the lottery and you had not won part of imagine 476 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,400 that ever happening, So not winning, but I hear it. Hey, yeah, 477 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,599 So if you didn't land, you could send in the 478 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:43,640 ticket for what they called the second chance on and 479 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,680 they got your name and go to Vegas to play again. Well, 480 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,440 if you played in Vegas, there were different things that 481 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,920 we weren't involved with, where you could win up to 482 00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:55,119 twenty million dollars. 483 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:58,039 Speaker 2: So you lost them one. 484 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,079 Speaker 3: Lottery ticket, You go to Vegas, you play, and you 485 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,880 yet lucky, and you want twenty minutes. 486 00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,559 Speaker 2: Now I go to you and I say, take these 487 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,319 two guys. 488 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 3: If you throw them against the wall and it comes 489 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:16,440 up stick stick or whatever, one one, you win a built. 490 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: Now if it doesn't, you lose the twenty miler. 491 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,599 Speaker 3: I pulled a lot of people, and I only talk 492 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,039 to one person that would have thrown the dot. Everybody else. 493 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,759 When you got the twenty million, let's go to the cage. 494 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 2: I'm gone. But I didn't that way because we will often, 495 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,039 like just like. 496 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: A bookie will lay off a particular event because the 497 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,079 risk is more mad than we walk it up. 498 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 2: And so we'll find a risk take them that will 499 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,319 take the bat. 500 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 3: And we played them a fee for that because they 501 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,279 don't have their money tied up very long. 502 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 2: And it's for everybody, but for a. 503 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 3: Billion dollars, we were really concerned if you had a 504 00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:11,599 winner the wrisk tak them, I'd always want you know, 505 00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:12,480 did I get it? 506 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: So I feel you out a. 507 00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 3: Way to do it for the wrisk taker to be 508 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:23,119 totally confident that the game was on the square, and 509 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:27,599 that was this before the event. There are two dies, 510 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,279 a red one and a black one, and the risk 511 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,359 taker has an envelope and stay prepared that I don't. 512 00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:38,880 The only person that knows what's in the envelope is 513 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:45,319 and inside the envelope it's gonna say black one, red stitch. 514 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,000 So if you go the two dice and when you're 515 00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:51,880 actually you've thrown him down, he opens the elbow up 516 00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:54,960 what you had to throw in order to win, so 517 00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:58,519 black one and stick to you on a billion, So 518 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,400 nobody knows with the risk taker what they're throwing for. 519 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,160 Even if you had the capability and cheat, you wouldn't 520 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,680 know what you needed. 521 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: So you couldn't you couldn't gain. You couldn't. You couldn't 522 00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:14,960 gain listed right. 523 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,119 Speaker 9: So the only way it could be gaining is it 524 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,720 the risk taker and the guy throwing the dot on 525 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:27,640 it together and then the only after being all together, 526 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:29,400 then they gotta figure out the way if they could 527 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,599 throw the two dives to throw what's inside the envelope? 528 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: Right, you do that, and you do them with me 529 00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:42,440 and watching, and you're titled to window. That's not gonna happen. 530 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:49,319 Speaker 1: So well, Plus, I can't imagine anyone actually risking twenty million, 531 00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:52,160 even though I mean you're getting fifty to one on 532 00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,119 a thirty five to one shot. I mean you the 533 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,759 bank roll that you would need. You know, I don't 534 00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:02,079 know that Warren Buffett has enough money to justify you know, 535 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,759 I bet that big. Well, yeah he probably does Elon Musk. 536 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,839 Speaker 3: But if he doesn't mean And the other thing is 537 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:14,759 people that play the lottery don't have that kind. You 538 00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,160 don't have a billionaires playing the lottery. 539 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: And they also don't understand math, or they wouldn't be 540 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,599 playing the lottery in the first place. 541 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:24,319 Speaker 8: Oh, you know, I. 542 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: Hadn't been to Vegas in a while, and I was 543 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,519 at the win because there's a really good restaurant there 544 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:36,200 that I wanted to try it Spinopris Italian rest. So 545 00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:39,480 we're walking through the f and I hadn't been to 546 00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:45,799 Vegue really since COVID, and there were there was zero 547 00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:50,599 double zero on triple zero on Reluctant and I never 548 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,599 I hadn't seen that or heard about it. 549 00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: That's what caused me to stop. And I asked the pitball, 550 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,839 what's what's this deal? And what the straight thing? 551 00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: He stick, Oh, we've added that it makes the game 552 00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:08,240 more exciting for the player. 553 00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: I had a hard time not saying anything, but I 554 00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,519 did not just oh, that's very interesting. Thank you so much. 555 00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,759 Speaker 1: You know, one one last bet I wanted to because 556 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:28,279 you you have had bets on so many crazy different things. 557 00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 3: You know. 558 00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: I remember when you were on Gambling with an Edge 559 00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:34,920 you talked about a cow Patty bingo. 560 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,359 Speaker 8: We're at a rodeo. But but the one I wanted 561 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:39,000 to ask you about. 562 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: There was some bet about for half a million dollars 563 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,160 on how long it would take to change a tire. 564 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this to me. 565 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 3: If I won this prize, I would have given it, 566 00:31:56,319 --> 00:32:02,960 but I would The prize was for this promotion come 567 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,680 to a naspar raid and I don't even remember now 568 00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:07,680 where it's located. 569 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,359 Speaker 2: There's a training center for pit crews for Nashville. 570 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: So chomp to where be this racetrack det that has 571 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:21,559 the training center for the pit foot you spend two 572 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,400 days with your set. Remember your best brand for eight 573 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680 has on the pit. I don't remember how many it 574 00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:31,480 takes for the bus and learn how to be a 575 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,839 pitch for learn how to change the tires, and the 576 00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,079 end we're going to bring a nastar in just like 577 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:41,559 it's the real deal. And you did this, change the 578 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,480 tires and if you make the pit stop and the 579 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,200 changes were in X. 580 00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:50,039 Speaker 2: Number of seconds, you and a half a month. 581 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 3: So we took that back because we didn't think that 582 00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:58,720 eight people that were not professional to the pit and 583 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,480 they couldn't they did, but that we only did it. 584 00:33:02,599 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: It was a one off. And it was interesting because 585 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,640 in the gift shop the training facilities you could. 586 00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:18,559 Speaker 3: Bond fender and pulls that had been in Corage so 587 00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:21,799 you could hang them on your wall at home. 588 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: Now I'm looking at your house and I don't see 589 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,799 anything like that on yourself. Uh. 590 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,759 Speaker 3: They also had the tires where you could put your 591 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:39,440 kids inside the tires to take their photograph the fortraits. 592 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,480 I will tell you the dumbest thing I ever of 593 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,839 that I've done thirty five years. I know you used 594 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,039 to place some black. 595 00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:49,319 Speaker 2: Jack of me. 596 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, a little bit. 597 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,839 Speaker 3: And I understand that there sometimes there's a dance or something, 598 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,640 and that it was that some people are I've never 599 00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:00,839 had a chance to come up love to some I 600 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:05,720 never have. Well, we did a promotion in analeg city 601 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:12,519 where you could win your line. They invited sixty four 602 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,519 high to a blacket and if we won the tournament, 603 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,639 whatever you want to that it was, that's what you want. 604 00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:23,159 So you came in and you had you had a 605 00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:27,519 credit line of a million. You want five hundred thousand, 606 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:32,519 five hundred. Smallest credit line anybody had was one hundred games, 607 00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:38,280 so the casino had one hundred thousand dollars deduct They 608 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:45,360 invited sixty four players and the format was you went 609 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:51,440 from sixty four to thirty two and thirty two to sixteen. 610 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,880 When they got to sixteen players, they put one player 611 00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:00,719 per table. They had a sixteen table in the pit 612 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,039 and it was head to head against the dealer and 613 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,119 you played twenty two to the end of the twenty 614 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:12,679 second here whoever had the most chipped one ev Oh. 615 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:15,119 Speaker 8: So you don't know what the other players have or 616 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:15,599 how much. 617 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was about his on that. That was intentional. 618 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:23,599 The other thing we didn't want. 619 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 3: Let's say you put everybody in the table and you 620 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,079 haven't bet line of a million. 621 00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:33,039 Speaker 2: I hadn't bet line one hundred thousand, and you're. 622 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 3: About to win, and you have me dumb, and then 623 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,039 you give me part of it, You give me part 624 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:39,679 of your million. 625 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 2: So that was the reason. Yeah, So now I did 626 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,840 something really stupid. This was arrogant some much. 627 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 3: We allowed them to do it in the ball after problem, 628 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,280 instead of doing it in the pit, do it on 629 00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,800 the ballroom, on the stage for pen tellers. WI get set, 630 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,039 I thought my pit. So we did that, and I 631 00:36:05,159 --> 00:36:09,239 didn't require them to do that. It's really excud So 632 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,639 around just sixty four went fined around them. From sixty 633 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,000 four to thirty two, it was fine. We get down 634 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:20,400 the sticky pain. And these players that have a million 635 00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:24,199 dollars and other people have less. So I'm watching the 636 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,719 t tables that have am but I didn't realize there 637 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,679 was one player that had five hundred. 638 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 2: Thousand dollars line. 639 00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:36,599 Speaker 3: He's on the twenty first hand, he's got a stack 640 00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,400 of chips about it, and there was no limit. 641 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 2: I had a chicken back, so it's something out from 642 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,039 my hand. He puts it off and that's a long Yeah. 643 00:36:48,119 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 3: They were to give them the sixth day, so there 644 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,559 was no way from a counting standpoint, you're not going 645 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,480 to get it out. Yep, it's just one on one. 646 00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:02,639 You're not gonna you know, we weren't worried about and 647 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:03,760 really count. 648 00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 8: No, of course not. 649 00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 650 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:13,039 Speaker 3: So so the the guy that was deal eight. The 651 00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:17,639 dealer had the tenant to be hit. She deals in 652 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,239 the ten and he looked at me and said, what 653 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,880 are you doing? I didn't ask a hit, I said, 654 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,079 I was good. It's no video survant, there's no pit manks, 655 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:33,840 I'm not watching. It's a guy with the five hundred 656 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,800 thousand dollars life. But and he's making a big to 657 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,320 do about that he didn't And I'm really worried about 658 00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,960 what I'm going to tell my boss when. 659 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,079 Speaker 2: I get home because I messed up. 660 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:53,119 Speaker 3: I made a really really bad mistate. So it very quickly, 661 00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:57,440 like in less than five minutes. It went from the 662 00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:03,800 dealer to the pit boss, to the casino managed to 663 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,760 the gentleman. And this guy is making he's making the 664 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,280 biggest scene as anybody you've ever so I casino manager 665 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,880 shows up and he asked the guy what happened, and 666 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,320 he asked the dealer what happened, and then he tells 667 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:23,440 them I'll be back in about fifteen minutes. And the 668 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:26,199 first thing he did is moved. It moved them and 669 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,079 the player away from everybody. He got him so and 670 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:35,000 she everybody. I mean, he move moved the guy over way. 671 00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,760 Speaker 8: No way, had the dealer already revealed their whole card yet. 672 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 3: Or or what? 673 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? And well yeah it was Yeah. The dealer said 674 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:47,719 you busted and showed that you know they were you know, 675 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,159 so well, it didn't even matter what was the dealer 676 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,519 car because the guy already busted. He had he had 677 00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:58,920 sixteen up. She hit it with the tense sixty yard 678 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,119 and busted before she show she couldn't have busted. 679 00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:04,679 Speaker 1: Right, But I mean, if he says I wanted to 680 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,000 stay and the dealer has twenty, he loses the hand anyway. 681 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:16,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, so, so what happened was the castino 682 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,719 manager went around every pitmark and every dealer that had 683 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,599 ever dealt to this and asked him a question, what 684 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,639 does he do in does he sometimes hit and sometimes stand. 685 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 2: You know what, what's he do? And he always made 686 00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,079 the right fun. He always take a hit. 687 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,199 Speaker 3: He never stood ever been playing there for five years 688 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,119 and he's never and five years that any of the 689 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,440 people that he that had dealt to it, I played 690 00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:52,400 KDS never mattered, so he gets the guy. 691 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:55,519 Speaker 2: I was there and this was to me, this was 692 00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:59,320 really brilliant. Let's say the guy's name is. 693 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 3: John who Stead. John let me ask you a questions 694 00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:08,480 how good a black jack player are? And the guys said, 695 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,079 I'm as good as they come. There are anybody to 696 00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,119 play black debt better than me. I played as good 697 00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:14,440 as anybody in the world. 698 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 2: Should you're right, You're absolutely right. I agree with you. 699 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 3: I went and talked to every pit boss and every 700 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,079 dealer that's ever dealt to you, and they all told 701 00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:29,000 me the same thing, that you play as well as 702 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:30,079 anybody out there. 703 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 2: And you and I both know you play that good. 704 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,960 When the dealer has a tin up you had a 705 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:39,880 new hit, We're done talking. You and I both know what. 706 00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:42,599 Speaker 3: You're not taking a shot here. You need to take 707 00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:46,159 your mindset place out feel free. But I got sixty 708 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,800 I've got sixty one other players and sixty three whatever. 709 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,960 I guess other other players and I have to consider 710 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:57,159 them too, and you're not getting it advance, you know. 711 00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:00,320 Speaker 2: I mean it was Britant. I mean I was yeah, 712 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:02,920 I was good. He was brilliant, so I gu. 713 00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:08,599 Speaker 1: Well, anyway, Norm, it's been a real pleasure and I 714 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,559 want to thank you for doing well. 715 00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:15,119 Speaker 2: You're brother. Welcome. I'll open, yeah, thank you, have nice day. 716 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: Well you there you have it in my interview with 717 00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,360 Norm Beck, one of my favorite people. 718 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:22,559 Speaker 8: Anyway. 719 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: You can always reach me at Life is a Gamblepod 720 00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:29,239 at gmail dot com, or you can find me on 721 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,480 Twitter at r WM twenty one. As always, I really 722 00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:39,280 like to hear your comments and questions and recommendations for 723 00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:43,119 interesting people that you'd like to hear on the show 724 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,400 and for you gambling with an Edge fans, Stay tuned 725 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:53,280 this week or early next week, we will have Gary 726 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:58,199 Kandler on to talk about the tax implications for because 727 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,400 of the Big Beautiful Bill, the implications for professional gamblers. 728 00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,639 All right, that's it for today, See you next time.