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<v Speaker 1>I didn't just say, Oh, I'm gonna choked and kill her,

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<v Speaker 1>that'll make her stop.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think y'all didn't say that. It just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Clinton in New Jersey is a small town of aroundy

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<v Speaker 2>eight thousand people, pressed into just over seven square miles.

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<v Speaker 2>The first glance at looks like any other pocket of

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<v Speaker 2>South Jersey. Quiet streets, modest houses, and an atmosphere that

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<v Speaker 2>feels almost untouched by time. But if you linger long enough,

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<v Speaker 2>you can sense the weight of history in its sidewalks,

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<v Speaker 2>the old trees, the very air itself. For more than

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<v Speaker 2>two centuries, this little corner of the state was shaped

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<v Speaker 2>by glass. The story begins before the Revolutionary War, when

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<v Speaker 2>Jacob Fisler purchased a sprawling track of land. By the

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<v Speaker 2>May eighteen hundreds, the settlement was known as Fizzler Town

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<v Speaker 2>and was later renamed Fizzlerville, and thanks to the fine

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<v Speaker 2>South Jersey sand, which is perfect for glass making, the

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<v Speaker 2>bar soon became part of a tradition that defined not

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<v Speaker 2>only the community but the region itself. Generations of artisans

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<v Speaker 2>carried that tradition forward. But then when Clavengers, which was

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<v Speaker 2>the last great glass center, closed, its stores in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. The silence was deafening. It took with it

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<v Speaker 2>not only jobs, but part of Clayton's identity. For the

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<v Speaker 2>first time in centuries, the town had to look inward

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<v Speaker 2>to redefine itself in the quiet aftermath. Still, in many ways,

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<v Speaker 2>Clayton never really changed. Families remained tethered to the soil

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<v Speaker 2>that their grandparents and great grandparents had walked on. Some

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<v Speaker 2>lived in the very houses that they were raised in.

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<v Speaker 2>Others brought homes just a block or two away from

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<v Speaker 2>childhood bedrooms. Rootrans deep in the ties between people ran

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<v Speaker 2>even deeper. Clayton is the kind of place where the

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<v Speaker 2>straits form a familiar grade of ranchers and cape CODs,

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<v Speaker 2>where neighbors wave at one another from porches, and where

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<v Speaker 2>the details of every day life are quietly observed. People

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<v Speaker 2>know who take their coffee black, whose dog goes wild

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<v Speaker 2>at the side of the mail carrier, and which porch

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<v Speaker 2>lights burn long after ten pm. That intimacy, those small,

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<v Speaker 2>invisible threads of recognition and care, form a web of watchfulness,

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<v Speaker 2>a safety net in a sense or not of suspicion,

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<v Speaker 2>but of genuine community. It was a safety that most

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<v Speaker 2>believed could never fail. But in October of twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>that belief was shaken to its core because in Clayton,

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<v Speaker 2>a child simply vanished, and suddenly, in a time where

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<v Speaker 2>everyone knew everyone, silence carried a weight of its own.

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn Pascali was born on the twenty ninth of October

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<v Speaker 2>ninety ninety nine to parents Anthony Pascali and Jennifer Cornwall.

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<v Speaker 2>She was the middle child, with an older brother, a Jay,

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<v Speaker 2>and a younger sister, Natalie. Her parents' relationship, however, wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>meant to last. When Autumn was just three years old,

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer moved out of the family home. Custody was shared,

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<v Speaker 2>but for the most part, Autumn and her siblings lived

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<v Speaker 2>with their father. In two thousand and five, Anthony and

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer finalized their divorce. By twenty twelve, Autumn was a

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<v Speaker 2>twelve year old girl living on West High Street with

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<v Speaker 2>her father, her brother and sister, Anthony's girlfriend, and the

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<v Speaker 2>girlfriend's children. Anthony was a postal worker, and he kept

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<v Speaker 2>busy providing for his blended family while Autumn was in

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<v Speaker 2>that in between stage of life. She was still a

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<v Speaker 2>child in so many ways, but already carrying hints of independence,

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<v Speaker 2>an individuality that set her apart. Autumn was described as fearless,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when it came to her greatest passion, BMX biking.

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<v Speaker 2>While other kids hesitated before trying tricks that looked intimidating

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<v Speaker 2>or dangerous, Autumn was the one who leaned forward and

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<v Speaker 2>gave it a go. Her BMX bike was her most

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<v Speaker 2>prized possession. It was white, with the seat patterned with

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<v Speaker 2>black guns, white hand grips, a silver front rim, and

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<v Speaker 2>a black rear room. On our Facebook page, she had

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<v Speaker 2>written in capital letters BMX for life. Autumn was a

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<v Speaker 2>regular at the Low skate and bike park, where she

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<v Speaker 2>would spend hours practicing and pushing herself, surrounded by other

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<v Speaker 2>kids who shared her love of speed and wheels. When

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<v Speaker 2>she wasn't at the park, Autumn could often be spotted

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<v Speaker 2>weaving through the town streets on her bike or catching

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<v Speaker 2>air off whom he had ramps and friends driveways. One

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<v Speaker 2>friend's mother, Michelle Doherty, remembered how seriously Autumn took her riding.

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<v Speaker 2>She was all about her bike. They were always going

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<v Speaker 2>to the skate park. If they wanted to ride, I

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<v Speaker 2>would drive behind them in my car. But Autumn wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>one dimensional. For all her tomboy energy and passion for bikes,

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<v Speaker 2>she had a softer and more traditional side as well.

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<v Speaker 2>She enjoyed roller skating and playing soccer, but she was

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<v Speaker 2>also part of the cheerleading squad. Autumn was a seventh

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<v Speaker 2>grader at Clayton Middle School, and she was excelling. She

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<v Speaker 2>was a straight A student, and she had a sharp

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<v Speaker 2>mind and a determination to do well. She was navigating

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<v Speaker 2>the complicated bridge between childhood and adolescents, figuring out who

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<v Speaker 2>she was while still holding on to the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>made her feel young. Her family and friends described her

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<v Speaker 2>as spirited and independent. Her kindness was remembered fondly by

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<v Speaker 2>our friend Deanna Edwards McMillan, who said she didn't hate people,

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<v Speaker 2>and people didn't hate her. Autumn was, in many ways

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<v Speaker 2>the picture of a child on the cusp of teenagerhood. Curious,

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<v Speaker 2>strong willed, playful and bright. But most of all, she

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<v Speaker 2>was loved by her parents, her siblings, her friends, and

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<v Speaker 2>the small, close knit community of Clayton that seemed to

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<v Speaker 2>know her almost as one of their own. October twentieth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, was one of those perfect fall days in Clayton,

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey. The kind of day where the air is

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<v Speaker 2>crisp but comfortable. For a twelve year old with a

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<v Speaker 2>bike in an afternoon free of obligations, the possibilities felt endless.

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<v Speaker 2>That afternoon, Autam's older brother, a Jay, was getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>for his football game. Their father, Anthony asked if she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to tackle long, but Audam had different plans. She

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<v Speaker 2>told him she was heading out for a bike ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Before she left, Anthony reminded her of two things, be

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<v Speaker 2>careful and I love you. Autumn replied, I love you too.

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<v Speaker 2>She promised to be home for her curfew at eight pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Then she wailed her prized white Odissey BMX out the

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<v Speaker 2>door and pedaled down the driveway and out of sight.

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<v Speaker 2>But as the sun dipped behind the trees and eight

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<v Speaker 2>pm came and went, Anthony felt on ease settled in

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<v Speaker 2>his chest. Autumn hadn't come home. He called Jennifer, Audam's mother,

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<v Speaker 2>who lived with her new husband, Craig. She hadn't seen

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn either. After calling friends and coming up empt they

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony did what no parent ever wants to do. He

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<v Speaker 2>picked up the phone and called police. Clinton. Police wasted

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<v Speaker 2>no time officers first spoke with Autum's family, then spread

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<v Speaker 2>in the streets to begin their search. Around sixty officers

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<v Speaker 2>come through the neighborhoods that night, flashlights cutting through the

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<v Speaker 2>darkness as they called out Autumn's name into the silence.

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<v Speaker 2>The news spread fast. In a small town like Clayton,

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<v Speaker 2>word of a missing child is enough to draw people

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<v Speaker 2>from their homes without hesitation, and by Sunday the search

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<v Speaker 2>had swelled to more than two thousand people. Neighbors, classmates, parents,

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<v Speaker 2>people who had never spoken to Autumn but felt as

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<v Speaker 2>though they knew her joined police to hand out flyers,

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<v Speaker 2>knock on doors, and scar fields in wooded lots. The

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<v Speaker 2>fliers showed a smiling Autumn with blonde hair and blue eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>She stood about five foot two inches tall and weighed

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<v Speaker 2>about one hundred and twenty pounds. On the day that

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<v Speaker 2>she disappeared, she'd been wearing a yellow Clayton soccer T shirt,

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<v Speaker 2>navy blue shorts layered under sweatpants, and bright blue high

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<v Speaker 2>top sneakers. She was also carrying a silver backpack with

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<v Speaker 2>the word reckless printed across the back. Social media lit

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<v Speaker 2>up with the peals to find her, but also with

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<v Speaker 2>a question that grew louder with each passing r Why

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't an Amber alert been issued? The UMBER Alert system

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<v Speaker 2>is designed for moments just like this, when a child

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<v Speaker 2>is missing and believed to be in imminent danger. It

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<v Speaker 2>pushes emergency notifications out instantly across television, radio, highway signs,

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<v Speaker 2>and the internet, but issuing one is an automatic their

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<v Speaker 2>strict criteria, and Clayton Police said that Autumn's disappearance simply

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<v Speaker 2>didn't meet it. For an UMBER alert to go live,

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<v Speaker 2>there has to be evidence that the child was abducted

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<v Speaker 2>and evidence that the child's life is in danger. In

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn's case, there was no indication yet that either was true.

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<v Speaker 2>To believe she was a missing child not an abducted one,

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<v Speaker 2>but to a time that knew her, that distinction felt

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<v Speaker 2>like little comfort. As the search widened, detectives tried to

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<v Speaker 2>retrace Autumn's movements. They knew she'd left home about twelve

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<v Speaker 2>thirty that afternoon. About nor later, a message was sent

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<v Speaker 2>from her f phone. It was a simple text that read,

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<v Speaker 2>don't be like that. The text went to her friend,

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<v Speaker 2>Diana Edwards McMillan, but Diana was puzzled. The message didn't

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<v Speaker 2>make sense it felt like it wasn't meant for her.

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<v Speaker 2>And then nothing, No more messages, no more calls. Autumn's

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<v Speaker 2>phone fell silent. The search for Autumn pressed on, but

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<v Speaker 2>answers remained painfully out of reach. Detectives began knocking on doors,

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<v Speaker 2>hoping that somebody, anybody, had seen something that could point

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<v Speaker 2>them in the right direction, but no one could offer

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<v Speaker 2>any useful insight. By Monday, the search had grown larger.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI was now involved, bringing with them officers on

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<v Speaker 2>horseback and police dogs to sweep the area. Overhead, the

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<v Speaker 2>steady drone of a helicopter circled, scanning the ground below.

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<v Speaker 2>Volunteers gathered to the municipal building, where organ seizers handed out

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<v Speaker 2>highlighted maps. Teams of twelve were sent out, moving in

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<v Speaker 2>careful grids, determined not to overlook a single patch of ground.

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<v Speaker 2>The search radias stretched outward, reaching as far as the

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<v Speaker 2>Holly Green Campground near the Salem County border. With each

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<v Speaker 2>ar that passed, the urgency grew heavier. Gloucester County Prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Dalton announced a ten thousand dollars reward for information

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<v Speaker 2>that would bring Autumn home. That evening, as the Sun

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<v Speaker 2>said Over Clayton, hundreds of people gathered the municipal building

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<v Speaker 2>for a candle light vigil. Flames flickered against the October darkness.

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<v Speaker 2>Each lied a small active hope. Autumn's uncle, Paul, spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to the crowd. His voice broke as he said they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted Autumn home for her thirteenth birthday, just stays away

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<v Speaker 2>on the twenty ninth. He said, say your prayers for

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn and all the children who are lost and can't

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<v Speaker 2>find their way home. But Autumn would never make it

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<v Speaker 2>home for that birthday. Fact Aumn wouldn't make it home

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<v Speaker 2>at all. While the community searched for Autumn with desperation

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<v Speaker 2>and hope, something unsettling was happening in a house just

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<v Speaker 2>a block away. Inside her home, local mother Anita Saunders

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<v Speaker 2>logged into her Facebook. Scrolling through her fifteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>son Justin's page. A post caught her attention. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just one word Autumn. Another post from the seventeenth of October,

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<v Speaker 2>just a few days before Autumn disappeared, made her pause

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<v Speaker 2>even longer. It was a photograph of a BMX bike.

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<v Speaker 2>In the comments, Autumn had asked, is that your bike?

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<v Speaker 2>Justin had replied yep. Autumn responded that's sexy. Justin then replied, lol, thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>come to my house. Anita kept scrolling, uneased in her chest,

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<v Speaker 2>she saw more messages between the two of them. Autumn

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<v Speaker 2>had posted that she needed somebody to install new rims

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<v Speaker 2>on her bike. Justin had offered to help. The day

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<v Speaker 2>before she vanished. They had been messaging back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn asked if Justin could install the rims the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin then replied, okay, can you meet me somewhere close

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<v Speaker 2>because I can't really walk that well. Justin had a

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<v Speaker 2>lingering ankle injury from childhood, making it hard for him

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<v Speaker 2>to get around. Then the conversation took a different turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin asked if Autumn was single. When she said yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he told her he thought she was attractive. Then, on

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<v Speaker 2>the afternoon of the twentieth of October, the day that

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn vanished, she had messaged him again asking for his address.

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<v Speaker 2>When he sent that, she replied, Okay, I'll be there,

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<v Speaker 2>Just stay there. Anita Saunders had five sons in total,

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<v Speaker 2>including fifteen year old Justin and seventeen year old Dante Robinson.

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<v Speaker 2>They lived together with Anita's husband, just a block away

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<v Speaker 2>from the Passcali home. To the outside world, the Robinson

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<v Speaker 2>the family's clothing. To their mother, they were respectful boys

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<v Speaker 2>to the community, they seemed like ordinary teenagers. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>both Justin and Dante had been out searching for Autumn.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin had even liked the Fine Autumn Facebook page. When

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<v Speaker 2>Autum's brother aj posted online about the search dogs being

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<v Speaker 2>brought in, Justin commented, that's good, just a new Autumn.

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<v Speaker 2>They shared a love of BMX biking. Autumn had liked

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<v Speaker 2>photos of his bike before, and the two had talked

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<v Speaker 2>about parts and tricks. But not everybody saw the Robinson's

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<v Speaker 2>the same way. Someone Clayton were called another side to

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<v Speaker 2>the brothers, one that Anita either didn't see or didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to see. They apparently had a reputation for stealing bikes,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were neighbors who had clashed with them over it.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin was a sophomore at Clayton High School, and he

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<v Speaker 2>wrestled on the school team. Dante, however, attended bank Bridge

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<v Speaker 2>Developmental Center, a school designed for students with social, behavioral

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<v Speaker 2>and academic struggles. Both boys lived with their mother and stepfather,

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<v Speaker 2>but had no relationship with their biological father, Alonso, who

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't seen them in years. To some, they were good kids,

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<v Speaker 2>To others, they were troubled. And as Anida stared at

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<v Speaker 2>her son's Facebook messages with Autumn, dread coiled in her stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>It seemed clear that Autumn had gone to her house

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<v Speaker 2>the day she disappeared, but Justin hadn't mentioned that he

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<v Speaker 2>had been out searching. He had even commented about the

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<v Speaker 2>investigation online. And now Anita was left with a terrifying thought.

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<v Speaker 2>What if her son had something to do with Autumn's

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<v Speaker 2>dissipy appearance. After scrolling through the Facebook posts about Audham's disappearance,

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<v Speaker 2>Anita Robinson felt the heavy weight of unease. Something told

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<v Speaker 2>her she couldn't ignore what was gnawing at the back

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<v Speaker 2>of her mind. Her son, Justin, had been acting strangely.

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<v Speaker 2>She would never forgive herself if he was somehow involved

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<v Speaker 2>in Audham's disappearance. Maybe he wasn't, Maybe this was her

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<v Speaker 2>imagination running away with her. But what if he was,

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<v Speaker 2>And even if he wasn't, maybe Justin could offer detective

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<v Speaker 2>some insight into what had happened. Anita contacted the police.

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<v Speaker 2>She explained that on the day that Autumn disappeared, Justin

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<v Speaker 2>had been at home with his older brother Dante. Detectives

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<v Speaker 2>asked if they could search the house. Anita agreed and

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<v Speaker 2>handed them over a key. Officers moved carefully from room

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<v Speaker 2>to room, scanning ordinate signs of family life on made beds,

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<v Speaker 2>discarded clothes, the clutter of teenage boys. At first, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>really stood out, but then they descended into the basement.

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<v Speaker 2>Scattered across the concrete floor were bike parts, frames, wheels, handlebars.

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<v Speaker 2>Among the piles of metal, one bike called the detective's attention.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just any bike, it was distinctive. It was

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn Surprised BMX. The side of it turned the entire

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<v Speaker 2>search on its head. Both Justin and Dante were immediately arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>They were the only ones that were home that day,

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<v Speaker 2>and now police had Autumn's bike his evidence. At the station,

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<v Speaker 2>detective separated the brothers into different rooms. In one interrogation room,

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<v Speaker 2>Dante sat stiffly across from detectives. He denied everything. He

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<v Speaker 2>said he had no knowledge of what had happened to

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn or where she was afternoon. He insisted he'd been

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<v Speaker 2>upstairs in his bedroom, sleeping and listening to music. If

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<v Speaker 2>Justin had done something, Dante said he didn't know anything

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<v Speaker 2>about it, but in the other room, Justin was far

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<v Speaker 2>less guarded. He leaned forward and admitted in a flat tone,

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<v Speaker 2>Audun was dead. He'd strangled her. Justin explained that he

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<v Speaker 2>had invited Autumn over to work on her BMX and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe trade some parts. Around two forty five pm on

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<v Speaker 2>the day she vanished, Audumn had come to the house.

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<v Speaker 2>She wheeled her BMX up to the front door. Justin

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<v Speaker 2>invited her in, leading her down into the basement where

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<v Speaker 2>he kept his bikes and the parts. Once she was

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<v Speaker 2>down there, away from the street and the sound of

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<v Speaker 2>passing cars, Justin wrapped his hands around her throat and

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<v Speaker 2>strangled her. Detectives believed that Justin's motive was to steal

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<v Speaker 2>at Audum's BMX. After she was dead, he said he

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<v Speaker 2>stuffed her body into a blue recycling bin and wielded

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<v Speaker 2>to the yard of a nearby abandoned the house, But

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<v Speaker 2>detectives weren't convinced that Justin had acted alone. They believed

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<v Speaker 2>that Dante may have helped moved Audam's body, although he

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<v Speaker 2>denied it. Back at the Robinson home, police began a second,

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<v Speaker 2>more focused search in the yard of the vacant building nearby.

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<v Speaker 2>They found the recycling bin that Justin had described. Inside

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<v Speaker 2>was Autumn Pascali. Her body was carefully transported to the

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<v Speaker 2>medical Examiner's office. An autopsy determined that she had died

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<v Speaker 2>from blunt force trauma, consistent with strangulation. There was no

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<v Speaker 2>evidence of sexual assault. The discovery shook the community. Both

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<v Speaker 2>Justin and Dante Robinson were charged with first degree murder,

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy to commit murder, disposal of a body, tampering with evidence,

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<v Speaker 2>and theft. Justin was additionally charged with luring. That night,

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<v Speaker 2>Prosecutor Dalton released a statement which read, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>very sad day for the Pascali family. Our hearts go

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<v Speaker 2>out to the family and to all the residents of

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<v Speaker 2>Clayton who stood together in support of this young girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Clayton's mayor, Thomas Bianco, stood outside the crime scene, visibly shaken.

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<v Speaker 2>He hugged a police officer before speaking briefly to reporters.

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<v Speaker 2>News of the arrests spread quickly. The fact that two

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<v Speaker 2>teenage boys were behind the Autumns death stunned everyone. Local

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<v Speaker 2>residents voiced their belief. We all thought it was some

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<v Speaker 2>creep luring children, said Joyce Fisher. Another man, Philip Walliams, admitted,

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like a relief that it's not some creepo.

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<v Speaker 2>But what truly shocked people was that Justin had known

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn and her family. During the search, Audam's brother had

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<v Speaker 2>posted on Facebook about police bringing in snifferdogs. Justin had replied, doghounts,

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<v Speaker 2>that's good. He'd even like to find the Autumn Facebook page,

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<v Speaker 2>and he attended the vigil for Audum's parents. The loss

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<v Speaker 2>was unbearable. Her mother, Jennifer, broke down as she spoke

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<v Speaker 2>with reporters. She was a tough girl, a tough cookie.

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<v Speaker 2>She didn't deserve to be treated like a piece of trash.

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<v Speaker 2>Her father, Anthony, noted how close the families were. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone knows everyone, whether their friends or acquaintances. The family

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<v Speaker 2>also criticized how the search had been handled. Audam's uncle

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<v Speaker 2>Paul publicly questioned why an amburellert was never issued. An

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<v Speaker 2>accused police of mishandling the investigation. He said, they botched it.

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<v Speaker 2>These are the professionals we trust and pay. On the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixth of October, just days after Autumn was found,

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of mourners filled Our Lady of Lord's Church for

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<v Speaker 2>her wake. People wore buttons with their face and t

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<v Speaker 2>shirts that read Autumn Pascali Forever in our Hearts. They

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<v Speaker 2>filed past a photocolash showing Autumn happier times, laughing on

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<v Speaker 2>a roller coaster, smiling with friends, posing with pig, lit

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<v Speaker 2>at the theme park. At our funeral mass, Monsignor Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Mannion tried to offer comfort and said so often when

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<v Speaker 2>someone dies, especially at this age, were haunted by the

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<v Speaker 2>question why did she die? We struggle with it, we're

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<v Speaker 2>hurt by it, we're broken by it. But I hope

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<v Speaker 2>in the midst of all that graving, we can ask ourselves,

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<v Speaker 2>why did she live? He encouraged mourners to honor Autumn's

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<v Speaker 2>generous spirit by doing good work. He said, talk to

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<v Speaker 2>a classmate sitting alone at a lunch table, organize a

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<v Speaker 2>charity bike ride in her memory, let her life changers.

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<v Speaker 2>In the days after Autumn's funeral, the grief and Clayton

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<v Speaker 2>remained raw. The community had come together in sorrow, united

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<v Speaker 2>by the loss of a child, but now that focus

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<v Speaker 2>shifted to justice. Prosecutor Dalton announced that he would be

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<v Speaker 2>seeking to have Justin and Dan Day charged as adults.

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<v Speaker 2>He firmly said it is the state's position, based upon

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<v Speaker 2>the gravity of the juvenile's actions in causing the death

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<v Speaker 2>of Autumn, that these cases should be heard in adult court.

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<v Speaker 2>If the courts agreed, both brothers would be facing a

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<v Speaker 2>minimum of thirty years in state prison without the possibility

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<v Speaker 2>of parole. While the legal proceedings moved forward, the town

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<v Speaker 2>searched for ways to remember Autumn. A bike trail in

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<v Speaker 2>Clayton was named in her honor, a poignant tribute to

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<v Speaker 2>the girl who loved nothing more than riding her bike.

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<v Speaker 2>The trail began at Scotland Run Park wound through the

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<v Speaker 2>borough's high school and stretched out to Delsi drive. Gloucester

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<v Speaker 2>County Freeholder Director Robert Daminger explained she loved her bag

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<v Speaker 2>more than anything and she wanted to ride. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>think of a better thing to name after a girl

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<v Speaker 2>who loved to ride. It was a gesture meant to

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<v Speaker 2>bring comfort, but in the shadows of grave tensions began

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<v Speaker 2>to surface. Donations had poured in after Audham's murder, money

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<v Speaker 2>that was raised for her funeral, legal expenses, and to

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<v Speaker 2>support her two surviving siblings. By the new year, the

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<v Speaker 2>fund had reached at least one hundred thousand dollars, but

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<v Speaker 2>instead of unity, the money sparked bitter conflict between Audham's parents,

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer and Anthony. Jennifer filed a lawsuit against Anthony, claiming

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<v Speaker 2>that he had removed her name from the memorial funds

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<v Speaker 2>bank account. She said that they had agreed to manage

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<v Speaker 2>the money together and that the funds were meant not

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<v Speaker 2>only for Audum's funeral and legal phase, but also to

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<v Speaker 2>help with their children's future college expanses. She also accused

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony of refusing to consult her on the wording for

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<v Speaker 2>Audum's gravestone. Jennifer asked the court to intervene to split

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<v Speaker 2>the memorial fund so that each parent had partial control

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<v Speaker 2>and to prevent Anthony from completing the headstone without her input.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony fired back with his own accusations. He claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer had collected items that were left for him at

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<v Speaker 2>the funeral home without permission. Jennifer said he had told

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<v Speaker 2>her it was fine, but Anthony said he didn't. He

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<v Speaker 2>also accused her of holding onto money that was raised

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<v Speaker 2>at a December benefit concert. Jennifer admitted she had placed

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<v Speaker 2>the fifteen thousand dollars check, along with other cash donations,

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<v Speaker 2>into a safe deposit box after she discovered her name

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<v Speaker 2>had been removed from the account. Anthony's attorney, Doug Long,

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<v Speaker 2>responded with a statement, my client will continue to pursue

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<v Speaker 2>justice for his daughter Autumn, and justice does not revolve

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<v Speaker 2>a run money. That are different motivations by different parties.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony's motivation is not money. Long insisted that Anthony had

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<v Speaker 2>opened the memorial account himself and that Jennifer had only

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<v Speaker 2>later been added when Jennifer removed belongings addressed to him

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<v Speaker 2>from the funeral home. Long said that Anthony made the

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<v Speaker 2>decision to take her name off the account entirely on

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<v Speaker 2>the issue of the headstone. Long said, like most aspects

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<v Speaker 2>of the rearing of the three children, this very difficult

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00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.640
<v Speaker 2>matter was left to miss her Pascali to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the loan. As if the family turmoil wasn't enough, Criticism

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<v Speaker 2>of law enforcement also deepened. Around the same time, the

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<v Speaker 2>Gloucester County Prosecutor's Office made the unusual decision to hand

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<v Speaker 2>the case over to Camden County. The shift came after

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<v Speaker 2>it was revealed that Anthony was preparing a civil lawsuit

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<v Speaker 2>against the prosecutor's office, accusing them of mishandling the search

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<v Speaker 2>for Autumn. In response, the prosecutor's office issued a statement

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<v Speaker 2>defending its actions. During the investigation, over two hundred law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement officers from in and around Gloucester County worked tirelessly

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<v Speaker 2>to find Autumn Piscali. By the end of the month,

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<v Speaker 2>Jennifer and Anthony quietly settled their lawsuit. The terms of

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<v Speaker 2>their agreement weren't made public, but the dispute had led

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<v Speaker 2>bare just how fractured the family had become. On the

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<v Speaker 2>seventh of August twenty thirteen, the case against Justin Robinson

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<v Speaker 2>reached a pivotal moment. By then, Justin was sixteen years old.

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<v Speaker 2>That morning, he had agreed to have his case moved

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<v Speaker 2>to adult court, a crucial step for prosecutors who believed

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<v Speaker 2>the severity of the crime demanded adult charges. But when

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<v Speaker 2>Justin appeared in the court room later that afternoon, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a twist. He stunned those present by pleading guilty

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<v Speaker 2>to aggravated manslaughter. The plea came after negotiations. Prosecutors had

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<v Speaker 2>feared that a judge might not allow the case to

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<v Speaker 2>remain in adele court. Justin's age, coupled with what had

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<v Speaker 2>been described as his diminished capacity, meant that there was

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<v Speaker 2>no guarantee. Without that assurance, the risk of a lighter

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<v Speaker 2>juvenile sentence or even an acquittal was too high. Prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>warned Fulk explained what investigators believed had happened. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that Justin had lured Autumn to his home under the

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<v Speaker 2>guise of trading bike parts. Forensic evidence confirmed that Autumn

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<v Speaker 2>had been killed inside the Robinson Famili's home, Yet beyond

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<v Speaker 2>Justin's own confession, there was no physical evidence to prove

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<v Speaker 2>who had placed their hands around Autumn's neck. Justin or

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<v Speaker 2>his older brother Dandee. Justin then spoke, and with quiet words,

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<v Speaker 2>he took responsibility. He said, I lured a girl I

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<v Speaker 2>knew was Autumn to the house with Facebook messages. I

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<v Speaker 2>put my hands around her neck to choker. I realized

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<v Speaker 2>it could have caused her death, and I understand it did.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that Dan Day had known nothing about what

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<v Speaker 2>happened in the basement that day. He said he had

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<v Speaker 2>acted entirely alone. Under the play deal, Justin faced seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>years in state prison with no chance of parole for

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen years. The decision was left to Judge Walter Marshall,

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<v Speaker 2>who would passed senthence in September. If the case had

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<v Speaker 2>have remained in juvenile court, the maximum that Justin could

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<v Speaker 2>have received was twenty years and parole eligibility in less

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<v Speaker 2>than seven. For Audum's family, the play was difficult, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was necessary. Both parents attorneys told reporters that given

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<v Speaker 2>the challenges of the case, prosecutors had done the best

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<v Speaker 2>they could. Anthony's attorney, Doug Long, put it plainly when

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<v Speaker 2>he said, mister packscally knows that no amount of years

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<v Speaker 2>on a sentence is going to bring his daughter back.

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<v Speaker 2>The only justice would be to bring Autumn back, but

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<v Speaker 2>that will never happen. The fear was that without Justin's

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<v Speaker 2>guilty play, there was a chance he could have walked free. Then,

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<v Speaker 2>on the twelfth of September, Justin Robinson was brought back

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<v Speaker 2>into the courtroom for sentencing. Audam's family gathered to speak

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<v Speaker 2>of her life, their grief echoing through the chamber. They

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<v Speaker 2>described Autumn as a loving tomboy, a girl who adored

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<v Speaker 2>her BMX bike and who always wore mismatched socks. Her

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00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 2>old soccer team, the Clayton Comments had since renamed themselves

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00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Audam's Angels, and they retired her number fourteen jersey in

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<v Speaker 2>her honor. But the memories were painful. Her grandmother, Mary,

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<v Speaker 2>who had been a teacher for twenty two years and

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<v Speaker 2>had even taught Justin, described how her life had been shattered.

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<v Speaker 2>She said she could no longer build report with her

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<v Speaker 2>students and had retired after the murder. Each time she

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<v Speaker 2>saw the blue recycling bins left out on the curb,

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<v Speaker 2>she cried, knowing that her granddaughter's body had been discarded

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<v Speaker 2>in one. She recalled how Aum would pick her head had

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<v Speaker 2>into her class room and sign I love you as

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<v Speaker 2>she passed the PA and I feel is unfathomable. She said.

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<v Speaker 2>Autumn's presence was palpable. In the court room, her portrait

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<v Speaker 2>was projected on to a large screen, a reminder of

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<v Speaker 2>who was lost. Her mother. Jennifer stood before the judge

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<v Speaker 2>and said, I hope the defendant this haunted by her

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00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 2>memory for the rest of his life. I am living

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00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:32.599
<v Speaker 2>every parent's worst nightmare. Anthony then approached the podium and said,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the defendant deserves more than seventeen years. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe his fate should be nothing but death. But Justin's

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00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:45.839
<v Speaker 2>defense painted a different picture. His defense attorney, Jane Faulkner

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<v Speaker 2>told the court that Justin wasn't a monster, but a

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<v Speaker 2>boy that was shaped by trauma. She said he had

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<v Speaker 2>suffered post traumatic stress from being physically abused as a

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<v Speaker 2>young child and from witnessing his father strangle his mother

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<v Speaker 2>on multiple occasions. This is a learned behavior, she said.

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<v Speaker 2>She argued that Justin had a Leewaiq intellectual disabilities and

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<v Speaker 2>a d h day. She said with his disabilities in

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<v Speaker 2>his age, adding to his sentence would not add to

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<v Speaker 2>any special deterrence. His mother, a Nita, also spoke. She

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<v Speaker 2>said that Justin was remorseful and not the person that

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<v Speaker 2>was portrayed in the headlines. She remembered him as a

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<v Speaker 2>happy child, somebody who took pride in being independent, mowing

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<v Speaker 2>lawns and helping neighbors. When Justin was asked if he

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<v Speaker 2>had anything to say, he turned to Judge Marshall and said,

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<v Speaker 2>I am sorry. I never meant for this to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>This was all a big mistake. Judge Marshall then delivered

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<v Speaker 2>his sentence seventeen years in state prison. Outside the court house,

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<v Speaker 2>emotions spilled over. Dozens of people had gathered, many believing

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<v Speaker 2>the punishment was far too lenient. Among them was Rick Fernaco,

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<v Speaker 2>who held a sign that read had just the time

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<v Speaker 2>to fit the crime Justice for Autumn. He then said

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<v Speaker 2>to reporters, it sucks. What does that say. You can

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<v Speaker 2>kill someone and live life and the person who's killed

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have a life any more. It sucks big time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the same week, just days after Justin Robinson had been

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced to seventeen years in prison, his brother Dante walked free.

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<v Speaker 2>The decision came after Justin's court room statement when he

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<v Speaker 2>said that he had acted alone in Autumn's murder. Dante

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<v Speaker 2>had already pleaded guilty to a far lesser charge, fourth

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<v Speaker 2>to grae obstruction, which carried a sixth month jail sentence,

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<v Speaker 2>but with time served, he was released immediately. His defense attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Hoffner, told reporters that the outcome proved what the

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<v Speaker 2>family had always claimed. He admitted no crime. This confirms

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<v Speaker 2>what we always knew. Dante didn't hurt the victim and

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<v Speaker 2>was not involved in her death or the moving of

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<v Speaker 2>her body. People may not want to believe it, but

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<v Speaker 2>the truth prevailed to Day and Dante's home. But not

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00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 2>everybody was convinced. Conversations exploded online and in the community.

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<v Speaker 2>Many simply couldn't believe that Dante had played no part.

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<v Speaker 2>The disbelief came down to one simple fact. Audam's body

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<v Speaker 2>had been carried from the basement up a flight of

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<v Speaker 2>stairs outside the house and stuffed into a recycling bin

539
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<v Speaker 2>next door. Could a fifteen year old with an ankle

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<v Speaker 2>injury manage that entirely on his own? For many, the

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<v Speaker 2>thought seemed impossible. As the debate played out in public,

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00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Autumn's father, Anthony turned to the court. The next month,

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<v Speaker 2>he filed a civil lawsuit against Justin and Dante's parents,

544
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<v Speaker 2>Anita and Alonzo, and it Anthony accused them of negligence,

545
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<v Speaker 2>arguing that they had failed to supervise Justin despite knowing

546
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<v Speaker 2>he was a troubled teenager, prone to theft and deeply

547
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<v Speaker 2>affected by years of domestic violence. His attorney was blunt

548
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<v Speaker 2>and said, if you're going to raise a murderer, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to take responsibility for it. Anthony explained that the

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<v Speaker 2>lawsuit wasn't about the money. What he wanted was accountability

551
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<v Speaker 2>and awareness. He even created a petition calling for a

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<v Speaker 2>new piece of legislation, Autumn's Law, that would hold parents

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<v Speaker 2>responsible for the violent crimes of their children. Anita pushed

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<v Speaker 2>back in March. She argued that she shouldn't be held

555
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:26.119
<v Speaker 2>liable for what her son had done. Instead, she filed

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<v Speaker 2>her own civil complaint, attempting to shift responsibility on to

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<v Speaker 2>her ex husband and Justin himself. Later that year, Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>also filed lawsuits against several law enforcement agencies, alleging they

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<v Speaker 2>had mishandled Autumn's disappearance and suggesting she might have been

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<v Speaker 2>saved if officers had acted differently, but the truth was

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<v Speaker 2>that Autumn had already been killed long before Anthony reported

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<v Speaker 2>her missing. The lawsuit was dismissed. Life, however, had more

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<v Speaker 2>in store for the Robinson family. In May of twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>Dante Robinson was back in the headlines, this time facing

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<v Speaker 2>serious adult charges. He had been arrested after a home

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<v Speaker 2>invasion went violently wrong. Dante was discovered bleeding and pounding

567
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.519
<v Speaker 2>on doors for help after being shot during the crime.

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<v Speaker 2>His mother and Ada rushed to his defense. Once again,

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<v Speaker 2>she claimed her son had been manipulated, claiming he was

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<v Speaker 2>only driving the other suspects to the scene and had

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<v Speaker 2>no intention of harming anyone. She said, He's very naive

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<v Speaker 2>and easily manipulated. I know for a fact he did

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<v Speaker 2>not intentionally go anywhere to cause anyone harm that Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Pascali was not sympathetic. On Facebook, he posted, is anybody

575
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<v Speaker 2>surprised by this recent event? Most likely not the infamous brothers?

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<v Speaker 2>Once again in the spotlight. He got away the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see what the justice system will do now. This time,

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<v Speaker 2>the justice system wasn't lenient. Dante Robinson was convicted on

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<v Speaker 2>charges ranging from robbery to aggravated assault. He was sentenced

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<v Speaker 2>to thirty five and a half years in prison. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>his brother, Justin had remained largely silent about Autumn's murder

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<v Speaker 2>other than what he had confessed in court. That was

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<v Speaker 2>until twenty eighteen, when both he and his mother sat

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<v Speaker 2>down separately for interviews with NJ Advance Media. For the

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<v Speaker 2>first time. Justin pushed back against the version of events

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<v Speaker 2>that was presented in court and in the press. He

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<v Speaker 2>denied luring Autumn to his home to steal her bike.

588
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<v Speaker 2>He claimed their deadly encounter started with something as trivial

589
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<v Speaker 2>as ten dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't just say, oh, I'm going with children. Didn't

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<v Speaker 1>kill her that make a style. I didn't think. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see that. It just happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Justin said that Autumn had offered to pay him ten

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to install new rims on her bike. When he

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<v Speaker 2>asked for the money afterwards, she told him she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have it. He claimed. He refused to let her take

597
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:03.360
<v Speaker 2>her bike until she paid up. That's when he said

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<v Speaker 2>she began to hit him. He insisted the killing had

599
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<v Speaker 2>never been planned. I didn't kill her for no bike,

600
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<v Speaker 2>he said. He also maintained his brother had nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with it. His mother echoed that defense starting. Something

602
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:23.480
<v Speaker 2>went wrong between two kids. It was a genuine accident

603
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:27.039
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't planned. She was not leaving her bike. You

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<v Speaker 2>had two young kids, and they're both trying to stand

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<v Speaker 2>their ground. Before Justin was led back to his cell,

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<v Speaker 2>he made one final statement that was directed at Autumn's family.

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<v Speaker 2>His voice, according to the reporter, was quiet, almost pleading.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an honest mistake. I'm being punished for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they can just forgive me. It's hard to

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<v Speaker 2>forgive a person when they take one of your loved

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<v Speaker 2>one's life. I want them to know that I really

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<v Speaker 2>am sorry. Well, that is it for this episode of Morbidology.

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<v Speaker 2>As always, thank you so much for listening, and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to say a massive thank you to my new

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<v Speaker 2>supporters up on Patreon, not Rob Sheridan Malick, Laura, Michelle,

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