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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf

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<v Speaker 1>I Am six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on

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<v Speaker 1>demand on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave out awards. I don't know why we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this. Best the iHeart Radio Podcast Awards, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>iHeart Podcast. Sorry, awards we're handed out last night down

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<v Speaker 2>at south By Southwest. You'd heard ads for it. Podcast

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<v Speaker 2>of the Year goes to Last Culturistas with Matt Rodgers

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<v Speaker 2>and Bowen Yang. Best wellness and fitness podcast, Huboran Lab.

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<v Speaker 2>Best history podcast is called Your Wrong About the The

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<v Speaker 2>Best ad read Award Interesting goes to Conan O'Brien for

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<v Speaker 2>Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Best political podcast goes to Making Kelly. Best green podcast

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<v Speaker 2>goes to Ted Klein.

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<v Speaker 3>What would you call our podcast? Best? It wouldn't fit

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<v Speaker 3>in any around podcast?

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<v Speaker 2>Best Big Night for the Kelsey family. They won Jason

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<v Speaker 2>and Travis one for best Sports podcast, and Best Emerging

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast went to Kylie Kelsey.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what Phil Schumann, filling in for John Coblt

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<v Speaker 1>called our twelve o'clock hour on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>You were not a gigantic twelve o'clock hour.

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<v Speaker 1>He called it miscellaneous, So maybe that's miscellaneous.

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<v Speaker 3>What else is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Miscellaneous?

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<v Speaker 4>Time four?

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<v Speaker 2>What's happenings?

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<v Speaker 3>Got your miscellaneous right here?

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<v Speaker 2>First, back to back storms arrives here in southern California.

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<v Speaker 2>The rain has been off and on throughout the day

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<v Speaker 2>most of southern California, but it is going to increase

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<v Speaker 2>by later Tomorrow night is when we're going to see

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<v Speaker 2>a much more powerful storm. They said it's brewing in

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<v Speaker 2>the Gulf of Alaska and should bring rain totals along

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<v Speaker 2>the coast and valleys between one and two inches by

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday night, maybe two to four inches in the mountains

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<v Speaker 2>and the foothills. And and it's rain. It's good, but

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<v Speaker 2>let's not go crazy. It's just rain.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's not go crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who is a fan of the show who

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<v Speaker 1>we are now friends with on social media, Casey Montoya

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<v Speaker 1>from KTLA.

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<v Speaker 5>Really yes, hell and okay easy just being nice and

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<v Speaker 5>saying hello, Okay, that's embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a creepy way?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>How should I say it?

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<v Speaker 3>Just don't be weird?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I told her that we'd love to have her on

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<v Speaker 1>when we have weather issues, which we have, so maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'll reach out if you're not weird, and we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>her on to talk about the storm.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a strange story. Remains that were found late

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<v Speaker 2>last year in the San Bernardino Mountains have now officially

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<v Speaker 2>been identified as Carlos Baltasar, a Forest Service firefighter who

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<v Speaker 2>went missing during the El Dorado Fire five years ago. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>A hunter discovered a human skull in October of last

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<v Speaker 2>year in the Smarts Ranch Road area north of Cactus

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<v Speaker 2>Flat in your Highway eighteen. According to the family, the

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<v Speaker 2>while fighting the Eldorado Fire. He went to report to

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<v Speaker 2>later they said they found his vehicle crashed along Highway eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Illegal dumping is on the rise, No Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Miscellaneous reports of illegal dumping apparently soared in the first

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<v Speaker 1>two months of this year compared to last year. Tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of reports of trash and furniture and other

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<v Speaker 1>debris that is just thrown out on the streets. It's

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<v Speaker 1>up thirty six percent according to the data, as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to this time last year. It's the highest number going

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<v Speaker 1>back to twenty eighteen. This could be you know, trash

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<v Speaker 1>bags or construction debris, or couches, or hazardous waste or

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<v Speaker 1>what have you. People are just dumping this stuff because

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<v Speaker 1>they have no respect for the city.

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<v Speaker 3>I would assume by the way it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Van Eyes wins the toilet Award because they have the

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<v Speaker 2>most illegal dumping reports of eight hundred and forty five

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<v Speaker 2>so far this year. Wow, eight forty five. This is

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<v Speaker 2>one of those things that as a city council member,

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<v Speaker 2>a county county Board of supervisors candidate something, This.

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<v Speaker 3>Is one of those things I add on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be able to say, listen, even just

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<v Speaker 2>driving over some of your common daily freeway overpasses, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much trash that has accumulated just in the little

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<v Speaker 2>curb area. Is there not somebody that could go through

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<v Speaker 2>You work them from ten o'clock in the at night

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<v Speaker 2>until four o'clock in the morning, and just pick six

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<v Speaker 2>hours of whatever stretch of road you're gonna do and

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<v Speaker 2>just clean that one up.

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<v Speaker 1>Politically, what a great cause it's changed you can see. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see, we've got wreckage of a three hundred foot

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<v Speaker 1>ship that's been missing for one hundred and thirty two years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's been found in Lake Superior the Western Reserve, a

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred foot steel steamer, broke in two when it

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<v Speaker 1>wrecked back in eighteen ninety two just about sixty miles

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<v Speaker 1>northwest of Whitefish Point in Lake Superior. Every shipwreck has

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<v Speaker 1>its own story, according to the Great Lake Shipwreck Historical

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<v Speaker 1>Society director Bruce Lynn. Every shipwreck has its own story,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, but some are just that much more tragic.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen this now, I'm thinking of something else.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time of this route, Captain Peter Minch, the

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<v Speaker 1>ship's owner your dog's namesake, brought his family along on

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<v Speaker 1>a cruise through Lake Huron with plans to go to

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<v Speaker 1>Two Harbors, Minnesota. The ship was under the command of

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<v Speaker 1>Captain Albert Meyer for this voyage. The weather was cooperative

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<v Speaker 1>until they reached Whitefish Bay. Then the crew dropped anchor

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<v Speaker 1>to wait out poor weather conditions. As they weighed anchor

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<v Speaker 1>and steamed into Lake Superior, a gale brewed up.

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<v Speaker 3>It broke up, and it sunk.

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<v Speaker 1>The Minch family and the ship's crew boarded and launched

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<v Speaker 1>two lifeboats, but almost immediately one of the lifeboats overturned.

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<v Speaker 3>Dead dead people.

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<v Speaker 1>The remaining lifeboat with the Minch family and surviving crew.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, dead people. I didn't know who were dead.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know who they were.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't there people.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a no, not this song. This song the

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<v Speaker 2>wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, which at the time was

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<v Speaker 2>the largest ship ever sailing the Lake Superior.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the family died toot dead people. The only

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<v Speaker 1>survivor was the wheelsman Harry Stewart of Algonic Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, boy, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember this at all? Gordon Lightfootzgerald.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course I knew you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know the story about this, the Jim Harbaugh story. No,

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<v Speaker 1>Holy hell, So this just happened last season. Obviously, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Harbo's first season. He recited this entire song, oh

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<v Speaker 1>really to the Chargers in a team meeting. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty minute song. And he told the team, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was a boat, a ship that was wrecked

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<v Speaker 1>in Michiganliod Superior. He told the team he didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be like in like eighteen members of the crew died,

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<v Speaker 1>nine dead, dead dead people. He told the team, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want you to be like the guys who fought

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<v Speaker 1>for their lives that day and fought in the wars

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<v Speaker 1>and all the things. I want you to be the

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<v Speaker 1>storm that took the ship out.

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<v Speaker 3>How's that for a motivational Tuesday?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Harbaugh, by the way, was rated as the number

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<v Speaker 1>one coach in the NFL when it comes to wasting

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<v Speaker 1>the most time.

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<v Speaker 3>With his words.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's too bad.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I mean they love it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in a good way, but for what, Like it's

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<v Speaker 1>just telling tales. But yeah, he recited this whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minute long in deadpant like he was reading the

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<v Speaker 1>phone book.

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<v Speaker 2>World of Wall Street is a little topsy turvy these days.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be checking in with Trader Merlin when we

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<v Speaker 2>come back about what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 4>A six forty.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>We have had our eyes all day, well all week

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<v Speaker 1>on Wall Street. Manic day has sent the US stock

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<v Speaker 1>market carrening following the latest escalation in the trade war.

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<v Speaker 1>We wanted to get an update from somebody who follows

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<v Speaker 1>the markets on well. Investors are concerned, but is this

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<v Speaker 1>just a blip or are these blips the way the

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<v Speaker 1>President says they are, at least the way he said

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<v Speaker 1>they were yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>You could find Trader Merlin on YouTube at Trader Merlin,

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<v Speaker 2>a regular show that he produces looking at the Things

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<v Speaker 2>on the Markets and full disclosure. Merlin and I went

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<v Speaker 2>to high school together. Oh my goodness, seven and sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. Merlin, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 6>Oh, I'm living the dream. Happy to be on the

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<v Speaker 6>Miscellaneous Hour with you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>So Merlin, should we be panicking and tell us why?

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<v Speaker 3>The answer is no.

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<v Speaker 6>What is preface that they're I don't think you need

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<v Speaker 6>a panic, Let's be honest. I mean, these markets are

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<v Speaker 6>just in a normal correction. If we look back at

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<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty two, we were up seventy percent, seventy six percent.

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<v Speaker 6>So all these people freaking out that we're having an

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<v Speaker 6>eight percent draw down in the S and piece, it's normal.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like telling me that I'm driving to work and

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<v Speaker 6>I normally have fifteen stop lights and I've hit eight

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<v Speaker 6>red lights. Big deal, It's normal at half of them.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, It's just part of the game. So no,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think you need to panic. I think you

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<v Speaker 6>need to be more defensive because I do believe that

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<v Speaker 6>these tariffs that are the tariff talk, the art of

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<v Speaker 6>the deal, if you will, with these tariffs is probably

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<v Speaker 6>going to lead the more downside movement in the intermediate term,

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<v Speaker 6>probably for the next few few months. So yes, protect

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<v Speaker 6>your portfolio, but no reason.

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<v Speaker 2>To panic talk about the importance of or the the

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<v Speaker 2>effect that volatility has. Just the uncertainty of what the

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<v Speaker 2>end of this trade war is going to look like

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<v Speaker 2>and what that means for the markets on a day

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<v Speaker 2>to day basis.

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<v Speaker 6>Just bottom line is it's much more uncertainty. As you

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<v Speaker 6>pointed out. You know, if you look at the previous

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<v Speaker 6>administration with pretty clear where things were headed, there's no

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<v Speaker 6>knee jerk reactions. And if you look at what happened

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<v Speaker 6>with Trump in his previous term, you know there was

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of shock and awe. And I think that

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<v Speaker 6>comes from a lot of reality TV, which is you

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<v Speaker 6>go to the end of an episode and you see

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<v Speaker 6>something so atrocious and so jaw dropping that nobody wants

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<v Speaker 6>to leave the channel and they come back to the

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<v Speaker 6>next after the commercial break. So I think Trump's doing

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<v Speaker 6>the same thing. It will be a continued amount of

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<v Speaker 6>very volatile marketplaces where for the average investor, someone who's

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<v Speaker 6>looking at their four to one K on a daily basis,

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<v Speaker 6>This is gonna drive you nuts. You're gonna go bald, pulling.

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<v Speaker 2>Your hair out.

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<v Speaker 6>If you're an active trader. These are the glory days.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, these are the days that you dream about.

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<v Speaker 6>Is someone shorter term because you have a five percent

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<v Speaker 6>norm for a while. So either you learn how to

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<v Speaker 1>I was at Starbucks the other day and waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>my order to be picked up, and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>phones and they were looking at the market, the meters

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<v Speaker 1>or what have you, and the graphs and everything. And

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, you look at the financial markets and

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<v Speaker 6>they're incredibly broad. You have going all the way from

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<v Speaker 6>then you have the short term day traders who are

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<v Speaker 6>literally in and out within five to ten minutes. So

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<v Speaker 6>there's this broad spectrum of different people in the marketplaces

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<v Speaker 6>with different goals and objectives. I'm more of a shorter

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<v Speaker 6>term I would say, a swing trader, which is days

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<v Speaker 6>that last a couple of days to a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 6>And right now, it's a very attractive style because the

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<v Speaker 6>uncertainty is just it's so prominent that latching on to

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<v Speaker 6>one direction for six months or a year, that's out

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<v Speaker 6>the window. I mean, the volatility is here to say,

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<v Speaker 6>So I think you kind of tailor your strategy and

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<v Speaker 6>then ending on what you would like to buy into

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<v Speaker 6>custom tailored to what you choose to do, because I'm

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<v Speaker 6>sure Shannon, you have different objectives, and Gary probably has

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<v Speaker 6>different objectives besides just making money in the market. Right

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe it's retirement, Maybe it's investing in Starbucks which is

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<v Speaker 6>So I think every individual listening right now has different

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<v Speaker 2>Merlin, great stuff, man, I appreciate you getting back to us.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, anytime.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, I looking good. Tell me about the daily show

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<v Speaker 2>that you do on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 6>I do a daily show from two to three pm

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<v Speaker 6>Pacific time, Monday through Friday, Trader Merlin, and it's just

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<v Speaker 6>kind of open ended talk about all things markets, from stocks, equities, bonds,

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<v Speaker 6>and of course cryptocurrencies, which have been just absolutely crazy now.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, there's always something going on in the financial markets.

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<v Speaker 6>They never sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, Well, you're never going to sleep now that we've

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<v Speaker 1>got you in our clutches, Marlin, because this bring it on,

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<v Speaker 1>bring it up.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll call it the intolerable risk of collisions for our.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been listening, so yeah, the volatility is here to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll stay on top of this for you, keep

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<v Speaker 1>our eyes on the market, as will Merlin as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks man, appreciate it, my pleasure. Thank you again, you

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<v Speaker 2>bet Merlin Rothfield. Make sure you check him out Trader

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<v Speaker 2>Merlin on YouTube and also other places on social media,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can email him at trailer Trader Merlin Trader

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<v Speaker 2>Merlin at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up next, it is true crime Tuesday. A cold

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<v Speaker 1>case to tell you about who killed Cheryl and Andy.

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl raped her throat slit in nineteen ninety Andy tied

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds quite personal. Cold case.

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<v Speaker 1>It has haunted these families, as you can imagine, for decades.

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<v Speaker 1>to Gary and Shannon.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump has been helping lobby members of his party

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<v Speaker 2>to pass this measure. Senate action would still be needed

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<v Speaker 2>don't pass this legislation. Stocks have retreated mostly again today.

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<v Speaker 2>P five hundred is just barely dow. It's mostly flat.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only down about seven as of right now. And

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<v Speaker 2>that story that we told you about out of Pakistan

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<v Speaker 2>armed militants have taken four hundred and fifty people hostage

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<v Speaker 2>and wounded the driver of a train during what is

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<v Speaker 2>being referred to as a terrorist attack in the southwestern

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<v Speaker 2>province of Bolakistan. The separatist Bollack Liberation Army has threatened

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't a exactly stated what they are looking for. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>the hijacking, I guess you would say of a passenger

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesday we dive into current and sometimes cold cases for

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<v Speaker 1>True Crime Tuesday and today the.

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<v Speaker 2>Story is true, sounds true?

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<v Speaker 2>Perry and Shannon present True Crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we bring you the story of Cheryl Henry and

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<v Speaker 1>Andy Atkinson, and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is not a good story.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes to us from nineteen ninety A beautiful summer night.

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<v Speaker 2>Cheryl and Andy Young. She was twenty two, he was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one. They meet up at Buy You Mama's nightclub.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to picture them, picture the quintessential like

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<v Speaker 1>The guy looked like out of Fast Times. A Ridgemont

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<v Speaker 3>That's what these two.

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<v Speaker 2>These two looked like. So they meet up at this

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<v Speaker 2>saw them alive, because they drive to an area of

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<v Speaker 2>The problem is there were somebody there that eventually was

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty two year old Ryl did not come home that night,

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<v Speaker 1>was actually the person who came across what appeared to

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<v Speaker 3>It was that security guard.

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<v Speaker 1>He found Andy's car, the white car there and it

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<v Speaker 1>had Cheryl's purse and her shoes inside. When the security

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<v Speaker 1>By the time mom got there, as you can imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>there had been a police presence, there had been crime

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<v Speaker 1>scene tape, there had been search dogs, and the search

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<v Speaker 1>dogs found Cheryl's body When Mom was there.

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<v Speaker 3>Officers had to hold Barbara back.

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<v Speaker 1>They did not want Barbara to see the horrific scene

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<v Speaker 1>that the dogs had come across. That they did not

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<v Speaker 1>want the mom to see the horrific way her daughter

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this quote from Mom, this was just a few

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety, Mom said, I know if they had

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<v Speaker 2>let me go to Cheryl, to her body, she said,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have breathed into her and she would be alive.

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<v Speaker 2>And that I don't think I've ever seen a mother's

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<v Speaker 2>love described in a more poignant way than the belief that,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of what had happened to her daughter, she would

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<v Speaker 2>be able to just through the sheer power of will,

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<v Speaker 3>Also, just.

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<v Speaker 1>The shock and the disbelief and your mind not being

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<v Speaker 1>able to grasp the fact that your child has been murdered,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point of if I could have gotten there,

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<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't have been the case.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Cheryl's body. Andy's body was found nearby. He

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<v Speaker 2>had been tied to a tree, nearly decapitated, and detectives

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<v Speaker 2>told Andy's father that in fact, Cheryl was the one

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<v Speaker 2>who was killed first. His dad is also a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, his dad's name is Garland. And he said this

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<v Speaker 1>means my son was tied to a tree, listen to

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<v Speaker 1>Cheryl's scream, listen to her being murdered, knowing that he

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<v Speaker 5>So that's just hard to accept. Still, of course, still

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<v Speaker 5>it's kind of a.

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<v Speaker 2>Tangent to this, or an interesting aspect to the scene

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<v Speaker 2>itself was that whoever it was that killed Cheryl and

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<v Speaker 2>Andy used Andy's golf balls and golf club out of

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<v Speaker 2>his car to point the way to Cheryl's body, who

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<v Speaker 2>was found hidden under some wooden boards. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty dollars bill lying next nearby, and one of the

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<v Speaker 2>detectives said it was very odd and even in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>even twenty seven years after the murders, this detective said,

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten sick to my stomach stomach thinking of what

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<v Speaker 2>they endured. That was actually Cheryl's sister that said that

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<v Speaker 1>When you think about the violence and the crime scene,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that she was personally attacked and assaulted and

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<v Speaker 1>that he was tied to a tree and made to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to all this and the setup with the golf

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<v Speaker 1>like it was personal. Retired Detective Billy Belk spent two

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<v Speaker 1>decades trying to track down the killer. He said that

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<v Speaker 1>even after he retired, as you can imagine, the case

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<v Speaker 1>stayed with him because he says, it's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>few cases that I never cleared. It's like I left

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<v Speaker 1>unfinished business when I retired.

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<v Speaker 2>He still had his theories.

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<v Speaker 1>He thinks, like maybe the evidence suggests that these two

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<v Speaker 1>were targeted. Coming back, we'll talk about what else. Retired

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<v Speaker 1>Detective Billy Belk thinks about the case and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that it's been reopened and where DNA could take us

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<v Speaker 1>because DNA was found, and with all of the progress

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<v Speaker 1>that has been made with DNA testing and familial testing,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it doesn't remain a cold case for much longer.

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<v Speaker 2>We were just watching during the break, President Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>taken delivery of his new tesla. He stood there with

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<v Speaker 2>Elon Musk. There were actually four or five different cars

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<v Speaker 2>and at least one cyber truck sitting there in the

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<v Speaker 2>driveway there at the White House, and he was taking

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<v Speaker 2>questions from reporters, and he said, kind of ironic that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to take one of these, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even get to drive it. They don't let me drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I love driving cars, but I haven't driven a

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<v Speaker 2>the last time you think he drove a car, I

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't drive.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why I'm ever driven.

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<v Speaker 2>He's eighty eighty seventy eight, seventy nine. With the last

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<v Speaker 2>time Donald Trump drove a vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>By himself, I wouldn't be surprised if you never drive,

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<v Speaker 1>if he never drove.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, let's see here.

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine says it is ready to accept a proposal to

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<v Speaker 1>enact a interim thirty day ceasefire in its war with Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a joint statement from the US and Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 1>They met in Saudi Arabia today. National Security Advisor Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Wallas says the US will now immediately lift the pause

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<v Speaker 1>on military aid and intel sharing with Ukraine. So now

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<v Speaker 1>you're just waiting on Russia's response, I assume.

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<v Speaker 2>One time congresswoman and Senate candidate Katie Porter has said

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<v Speaker 2>that she is going to be running for governor in

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<v Speaker 2>California next year. Says that she is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a champion of our progressive values and will fight any

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<v Speaker 2>effort by Trump to cut healthcare benefits or curtail the

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<v Speaker 2>efforts to slow the climate crisis. She has said she

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<v Speaker 2>would step aside if Kamala Harris decides to run for

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<v Speaker 2>governor of the state of California.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that you're just pissing into the wind.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point, we were going to say, right, you're

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<v Speaker 1>urinating into the breeze.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think the wind was the wrong word to use.

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<v Speaker 2>The wind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, But like we were talking about earlier, Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like all of the bad odor surrounding whatever

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<v Speaker 1>campaign she tried to run is dissipated, and now that

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<v Speaker 1>all that remains is her name recognition, and she'll run

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<v Speaker 1>away with it in California.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably one of the things that Katie Porter is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do also is suggest that Washington, DC needs a

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<v Speaker 2>new voice, even though she's been in Congress. She also

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<v Speaker 2>has talked about being just I'm just a mom, just

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<v Speaker 2>a mom, a teacher trying to go to the Senate,

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<v Speaker 2>very similar to what Patty Murray did in Washington State

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<v Speaker 2>two decades ago. I'm just a mom in sensible shoes

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<v Speaker 2>going to the United States Senate like Sarah Palin. But yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but then Patty Murray's been there for twenty plus years.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Patty Murray still more likable than Katie Porter, or maybe not,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's a matter of opinion. NTSB, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>giving an update today on that deadly mid air collision

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<v Speaker 1>between the Army helicopter the Blackhawk and the American Airlines

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<v Speaker 1>passenger jet, the NTSB chair Jennifer Hammady says there were

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<v Speaker 1>over fifteen thousand close proximity events between helicopters and passenger

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<v Speaker 1>jets in the past three years at Reagan International International

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen thousand. So they're saying, hey, why don't we xnay

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<v Speaker 1>on the whole helicopter a let's prohibit certain helicopter ops

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<v Speaker 1>in the area over the river as the investigation continues.

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<v Speaker 1>Sixty seven people killed there. She says she's not ready

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<v Speaker 1>at this point to assess blame.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in the middle of a true crime Tuesday. We're

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<v Speaker 2>telling you the story about Cheryl Henry and Andy Atkinson.

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<v Speaker 2>Summer nineteen ninety. This young couple out on a date.

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<v Speaker 2>They meet up at a nightclub and then they head

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<v Speaker 2>off to lover's Lane. Their bodies were found a short

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<v Speaker 2>time later, both of them brutalized and just the gruesome

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<v Speaker 2>scene that haunts detectives years later. Now Belch Billy Belk,

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the Houston PD detectives that did this.

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<v Speaker 2>They covered this case and traveled around the country trying

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<v Speaker 2>to find the suspect. And there were DNA samples found

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<v Speaker 2>at the crime scene, and he compared again this nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety He compared those DNA samples to those of known criminals,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said he came up with about twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>potential suspects DNA that had been compared with what they

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<v Speaker 2>found at the crime scene, but that all of them

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<v Speaker 2>had been ruled out.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a report by FBI profilers at has surfaced

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<v Speaker 1>KHOU out of Houston eleven News dug this up. Here

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<v Speaker 1>are some of the theories from FBI profilers that took

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<v Speaker 1>a look at the facts of this cold case. Number one,

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<v Speaker 1>the suspect may have been known to Cheryl or Andy

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<v Speaker 1>or both. Number two he was about the age of

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<v Speaker 1>the victims. Three he had above average intelligence but was

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<v Speaker 1>a low achiever. And four police may have interviewed him

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<v Speaker 1>at one time. Now, I don't need to be an

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<v Speaker 1>FBI profiler to tell you that those things, those four

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<v Speaker 1>things are usually true with most the murders.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you and I, who are not FBI profilers,

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<v Speaker 2>could have written those four.

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<v Speaker 3>Points as well, exactly my point.

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and one, and somebody did send a

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<v Speaker 2>letter to Houston Police Department promising information in that case

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<v Speaker 2>for one hundred thousand dollars in exchange. And they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it was written by the killer, someone close

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<v Speaker 2>to the killer, if it was a hoax. They simply

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<v Speaker 2>don't know because that never led anywhere. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>one lead. There was one lead that came out about

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years after the actual murders.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, an exotic dancer who was raped about two months

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<v Speaker 1>before the murders provided the first real break in the case.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you mentioned, it wasn't until years later. This

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<v Speaker 1>woman says, back in nineteen ninety, she left her job

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<v Speaker 1>at Gigi's nightclub and went to her boyfriend's house in

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<v Speaker 1>northwest Houston. A man shows up, says he's looking for

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<v Speaker 1>the boyfriend who owed him money, and then attacked her,

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<v Speaker 1>put her hands behind her back, wrapped him in duct tape,

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<v Speaker 1>covered her eyes and mouth, put a bag over her head.

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<v Speaker 1>She said he kept pulling trigger, taunting her over and over.

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<v Speaker 1>She described him as late twenties to mid thirties, about

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<v Speaker 1>six feet tall, one hundred and eighty pounds, with black

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<v Speaker 1>hair olive complexion. He had a black fish net stalking

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<v Speaker 1>over his head. He wore black gloves, dark shirt, dark pants,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly a uniform. She said he had a very forceful

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<v Speaker 1>military type stance.

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<v Speaker 2>Now back then again, this would have been nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>DNA testing was pretty new, was very expensive, and it

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<v Speaker 2>took investigators seventeen years before they would run the DNA

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<v Speaker 2>that they found on the rape victim and actually get

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<v Speaker 2>a match, a match to the DNA that was found

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<v Speaker 2>at the scene of Sheryl and Andy's death from nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>So they track her down to Galveston County seventeen years later,

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<v Speaker 1>interview her again and learned another astonishing link.

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<v Speaker 2>She once worked for Andy's dad. Now they know if

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<v Speaker 2>again his name was Garland. They didn't know if the

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<v Speaker 2>killer might have also worked for Garland Atkinson or if

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<v Speaker 2>this was just a complete weird coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>She helped a famous sketch artist, to Lois Gilbson, create

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<v Speaker 1>a sketch of her attacker, which was also aged to

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<v Speaker 1>depict what he may look like in two thousand and eight. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the DNA match, despite the interview with the dancer,

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<v Speaker 1>despite the sketches on all of it, the identity remains

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery. He is not in the national DNA database.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, we're thirty thirty five years later, no suspects,

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<v Speaker 2>but we do have the DNA, and as we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times and talked about many times on this segment,

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<v Speaker 2>it is probably a matter of time before they can

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<v Speaker 2>establish that sort of backwards family tree that they have

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<v Speaker 2>used multiple times to actually find the culport in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>In recent months, family member have bought full page ads

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<v Speaker 1>and local newspapers calling for any new leads. It's only

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of time, right. How many stories have we

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<v Speaker 1>done where there's always a knock on the door someone

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<v Speaker 1>thinks they may have gotten away with it or somebody

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<v Speaker 1>knows that they never will get away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting to put it. That's why we do our true

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<v Speaker 2>crime Tuesdays. John Cobolchas coming up next. You miss any

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<v Speaker 2>part of our show, go back and check out the

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<v Speaker 3>Not gonna win any awards around here.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been Gary and Shannon.

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<v Speaker 3>Well see you tomorrow. Stay dry, everybody, good luck without blessings.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show. You

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