WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.639 Peter, I can't believe you invited your old high school sweetheart. 2 00:00:04.200 --> 00:00:07.080 Over for dinner. You think Dan's bad? 3 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:10.199 Remember when I auditioned to be David Hanselhaf's car. 4 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:13.800 Who's there night Rider? After those bad guys? 5 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:20.280 Kid kick ass? 6 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:24.239 Welcome to going down the South part of the podcast 7 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.199 where we always have our sales at time. 8 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:30.160 And if you think that's Beard, it's all been leading 9 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:30.399 to this. 10 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:32.560 It has this kind of feels like I was watching 11 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:35.159 this and by the way, who are you? I'm Dan, OK, 12 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:38.719 I'm come. You're going to do the introduction? Well not 13 00:00:38.799 --> 00:00:40.439 beyond this one hundred and fifty episodes, and I think 14 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:41.399 they know who we are at this point. 15 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:42.840 Maybe this is someone's first time. 16 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:45.679 It could be that's actually an interesting thing was this 17 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:47.759 comes to pro wrestling right and say what you will 18 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:49.119 abou vincement man, But his. 19 00:00:49.240 --> 00:00:51.000 Mentality was where's this leading? Yeah? 20 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:54.640 His mentality was treat every episode of your show like 21 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:56.560 someone has never seen your show before. So he's always 22 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.520 telling about this is what's been happening lately. Because there's 23 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:01.920 a other shows where they don't update you on what's 24 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:04.040 been happened. That's expect you to know and do the 25 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:06.480 research and he's like, always expect. 26 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:06.799 Them to be dumb. 27 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:09.760 And I'm like, that's a good mentality. Always treat your 28 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:12.000 show because every when you watch new shows now it's 29 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:14.640 like previously on someone's side. It's like, I appreciate this 30 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:16.879 because I forget what's going on. Sure, yeah, well that's 31 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.200 the tried and true TV mod not previously on the 32 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.799 black list. Yes, yeah, I'm going to previously in part 33 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:25.040 two for this cartoon was Yes. My whole point was 34 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:27.480 I feel like I was watching this and going this 35 00:01:27.599 --> 00:01:32.200 feels like the first South Park special. It aired over 36 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:36.719 two weeks obviously, but you know the paramount specials about 37 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:40.359 COVID and whatnot, and there was one about Kathleen Kennedy and. 38 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:40.640 Things like that. 39 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:43.959 Oh yes, yes, Layman game. Yes, yes, so that kind 40 00:01:43.959 --> 00:01:46.040 of thing where it goes. It's an extended episode where 41 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:48.840 they call them specials. Right, If you just add this 42 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.519 back to back, this is essentially the first South Park special. 43 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:51.920 Sure. 44 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:54.200 Absolutely, I don't think we've had we haven't had a 45 00:01:54.200 --> 00:01:55.480 two part episode beforehand. 46 00:01:55.920 --> 00:01:58.159 And this wasn't originally going to be a recuestion. No, no, no, 47 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:00.640 And this wasn't meant to be as well, I'd say 48 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:03.120 late in the season as it was, this is episode three. 49 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:06.400 I was about to say looking down him my eyes, like, 50 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:08.520 wait a minute, only episode three, but this was meant 51 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:09.719 to open the season. It was. 52 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:11.840 Indeed, Yes, I don't know when this is always going 53 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:13.759 to be a two parter. I think this was going 54 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:16.560 to be one episode. But because the negotiations, essentially they said, 55 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:21.439 we want to predict dumb, we depict sorry Muhammaded in 56 00:02:21.479 --> 00:02:23.639 this episode, and Comedy Central or like, we can't do that. 57 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:25.199 We can't do that, we can't do that. Should we 58 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:27.599 even say the M word could goes in trouble. No, 59 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:30.159 we're not showing a picture. We're not showing a picture 60 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:31.599 at all. And that's where the key is that you 61 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:36.400 can't depict him visually. Right, So, because Comedy Central was 62 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:38.479 saying you can't, We're not going to air this, they're 63 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:40.199 saying they were fighting back saying, no, you have to 64 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:42.520 give let us every other religion you've had no issue with, 65 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:44.719 similar to the return of Chef, So every other religion 66 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:47.759 is fine, but not this one and the whole I 67 00:02:47.800 --> 00:02:50.400 feel like the theme of this episode was it's either 68 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:54.280 everything can be made in front of or nothing you can't. 69 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.599 It's freedom. That's what freedom of speech is. And obviously 70 00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:59.560 Comedy Central didn't didn't. 71 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:02.080 See Yeah, they actually say that out loud, and Cartoon 72 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:03.400 War was part two in part two. 73 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.280 Yeah, but so they had to drag it out a 74 00:03:05.280 --> 00:03:07.280 bit longer, and that's what essentially made it a two 75 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.919 part episode, because the negotiating indigations were dragging out even long. 76 00:03:09.960 --> 00:03:11.680 It's like, well, we can't air it now, this will 77 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:13.560 be part one, then we'll make it part two. I 78 00:03:13.599 --> 00:03:15.800 think this story benefits from being a two. 79 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:17.719 Part I think so as well. Yeah, I thought this was. 80 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.400 A real fun The first part of the Cartoon Wars, 81 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:22.080 which is what we're talking about today, feels more like 82 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:24.759 a South Park episode because obviously it's based in town. 83 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:27.240 It also there's elements of it though where I'm watching 84 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:30.000 this going again, I've said this before recently, if you 85 00:03:30.039 --> 00:03:31.960 don't know what's going on behind the scenes, you kind 86 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:32.560 of lost. 87 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.520 A little I'm going to push back that against a 88 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.960 little bit. I think if you know what's going on 89 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:41.000 behind the scenes, it adds to it. I don't think 90 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:44.560 you're necessarily lost just watching this episode by itself. I 91 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:47.000 think the behind the scenes foo for all, Yeah, well, 92 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:52.800 jibbery jew is a nice add on or it's additional information. 93 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.520 But I think Cartoon Wars Part one works perfectly well 94 00:03:55.560 --> 00:04:00.000 by itself. It does, Yeah, and I think you don't necessarily, yeah, 95 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:02.800 need to know everything that's going on in the background. 96 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:04.439 Does it work if you've never seen an episode of 97 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:05.719 Family Guy, Yeah. 98 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:07.280 I think it does. I think they give an indication 99 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:11.039 of what Family Guy's sense of humor is by virtue 100 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:12.879 of the bits that they show of it, the pistakes 101 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.120 that they show of it, and also the way people 102 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.160 talk about it. I mean you've got people saying, well, 103 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.600 I think you've got Carptmon sort of laying out I 104 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:22.680 don't like a sense of human because of this. They 105 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:24.279 do it this way, and it's not something that I 106 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:26.040 approve of. It's not my sense of humor. It's not 107 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:28.639 something that appeals to me. And you've also got people saying, well, 108 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.000 it's got this this and I enjoy that. Yeah. You know, 109 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.680 it's important that they had Kyle say it's good show. 110 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:38.160 Oh yeah. You have many people all throughout saying now 111 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:41.360 it's yeah. Actually, you've got varying opinions of why people 112 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:42.839 like it. I mean, you've got people who were sort 113 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:44.439 of I think it may be in the in the 114 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:48.000 second in the part two episode, you've got the guy 115 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.839 who gives kind of a lift to La saying, I 116 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:52.000 know it's just joke after joke, but I like that. 117 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:55.800 You know. I've said that as well. I mean, I'm 118 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:57.839 not a family guy kind of guy, but there have 119 00:04:57.839 --> 00:05:01.079 been occasions. This is way back in the day when 120 00:05:01.079 --> 00:05:02.519 I was traveling a bit for work and i'd stay 121 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:04.839 at a hotel and you'd have like Fox on in 122 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:06.639 the room or whatever. One of the things I'd probably 123 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:08.040 put on would be family guys to have it on 124 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:09.839 in the background. It's not a show that I watch. 125 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:11.560 I'm not a Peter Griffins stand or anything like that. 126 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:14.560 But it's just like, this is good background. It's like 127 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:17.560 him in the radio on essentially someone up there. 128 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:20.199 Riffing jokes, isn't it. Yeah, it's not really a story. 129 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:23.920 A lot of it. There is a story, but it's 130 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:25.040 pretty thin. Yeah. 131 00:05:25.160 --> 00:05:27.680 Yeah, the real compared to other shows, Yeah, the real 132 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:29.199 juice is the gags. 133 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:32.240 It's like, oh, someone just oh yeah, I got that. 134 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:34.519 I don't have to sit down and get engaged in 135 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:37.199 the store. It's like, well, while i'm unpacking my suitcase, 136 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:38.480 I can have Family Guy on. 137 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:40.680 I did an experiment with this. I always use my 138 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:43.000 wife Nikola, who's never watched a family Guy, barely ever 139 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.560 watch the Simpsons, never watched The South Park unless I 140 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:47.560 make her watch it kind of thing. And I put 141 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:49.360 this on with her and I'm watching it got to 142 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:51.160 the family Guy part where he's talking about I'll be 143 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:53.279 the catain newby to Neil right, and I sort of 144 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.519 chuckled at that part there, but I was chucking at 145 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:57.399 the fact of this is exactly what family guys like. 146 00:05:57.680 --> 00:05:57.800 Right. 147 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:00.800 She goes, I thought you didn't like family Guy. I went, well, 148 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:02.040 I don't know that family guy. She was we just 149 00:06:02.120 --> 00:06:04.240 laughed at that, and I went yeah, because they're making 150 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:05.600 fun of what family guy is. She goes, well, if 151 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:08.360 that's what family guy is, though, you don't find that funny. 152 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:12.279 I was like, I see your point. She goes, So 153 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:14.759 you laughed at that, but you're saying you laugh it 154 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.800 because they're going that's just what family guys like. But 155 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:19.439 you found that funny though, And I was like, yeah, 156 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.480 I found a funny because they're making them mocking that. 157 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:24.079 I was like, I see what you're saying, I'm not 158 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:24.920 saying what you're saying. 159 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:26.720 I'm laughing at the cheap the gay. 160 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:28.560 But I said to Nichola, what do you think of this? 161 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:30.800 She goes, I don't know family, I don't know what's happening. 162 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.879 Like Nicholas like, I'm so lost, Like I'm not getting 163 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.000 paid for this. Yeah, she's like, Nicholas, like, I don't 164 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.439 this She is maybe this just isn't for me. She goes, 165 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:40.959 I like, I like friends. A lot of people don't 166 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:43.160 like friends. She goes, just I'm watching this. I'm just 167 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.079 I have know what it's going on. I said, because 168 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:48.560 you know family guy. She goes, Okay, I don't care. 169 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:52.279 Nicholas tapped into something very very important here. Not everything 170 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:53.240 is for everybody. 171 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:57.040 I was like, but you can understand, you know, because 172 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.639 family Guy's really really bad the writing, and then the. 173 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.959 Joke's She's like, Brendan, this is your thing. 174 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:08.639 I don't care. But they're taking a piece out of family. 175 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:12.519 It's hilarious. I don't care. Yeah, I don't care. It's 176 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:17.399 a wonderful thing to say, Yeah, I don't care. It 177 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:19.720 can be a wonderful thing to say because, particularly when 178 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:22.399 we're sort of inundated with all forms of entertainment and 179 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:22.920 that kind of thing. 180 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:24.439 It's like, I just don't. 181 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.519 Care again though, and I hate to repeat myself. It's 182 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:29.040 not like a broken record, but I just don't think 183 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:33.120 this era of South Park lends itself to longevity humor wise, 184 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:35.600 unless you'd live through the era. I don't think anyone 185 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:38.759 who can watch this blank slate in twenty twenty six, 186 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.319 a twenty year old watching this and having any idea 187 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:42.319 why this is funny? 188 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:45.800 Okay, you do you think it would have worked if 189 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.959 they weren't poking fun at Family Guy, they had made 190 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:53.120 up their own sitcom in the style of Family Guys. 191 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:55.759 It's interesting to bring that up because Parkers don't have 192 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:57.360 said since they are annoyed. 193 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.000 They really annoyed that if this has these have become 194 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:01.439 the Family Guy episode as oppose the Muhammed episode. 195 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:03.120 Yeah, the whole point of this was the freedom of 196 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:04.319 speech aspect of Muhammed. 197 00:08:04.399 --> 00:08:10.040 Yeah, and you didn't get that's what you remember. It is, Sorry, training, Matt, 198 00:08:10.199 --> 00:08:11.839 We're part of the problem, not part of the solution, 199 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:13.000 but no, but is it. 200 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:14.399 Part of the problem is the fact that the way 201 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:17.120 the show was designed, people didn't really care about the 202 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:18.800 freedom of speech. It was like, oh, my god, they're 203 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:21.240 taking down Family Guy. No, yeah, you could, that's what 204 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:22.240 That's what felt like. 205 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:24.920 It meant more, if you're being generous, you could say, oh, 206 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:27.360 they're feeding the dog medicine in the peanut butter, and 207 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:29.560 you know, family guys, the peanut butter and the stuff 208 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:31.360 that mhmmond is the is the medicine. 209 00:08:31.839 --> 00:08:35.080 Because I don't think the majority of people watching and 210 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.399 give a fuck whether they're allowed to depict Muhammad or not. 211 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:39.519 I don't think they really cared. But the fact that 212 00:08:39.519 --> 00:08:42.879 they were taking down Family Guy when it felt like, well. 213 00:08:42.679 --> 00:08:46.799 That's something that more people have some kind of investment in, perhaps, 214 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.440 like it's either oh, you're sticking to that show that's 215 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:53.799 you know, a really sort of base in Vogar and Stupid, 216 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:57.000 or a minute, I like that show. What the hell 217 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:00.960 do you guys think you are? Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? 218 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:01.600 It definitely is. 219 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:04.919 So I think they have to hold themselves to blame 220 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:08.000 to an extent about the whole people only remember the 221 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:10.759 Family Guy aspect because I think it's always it's just 222 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.960 sometimes you got to understand the behind the scenes stuff. Well, 223 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.159 for a lot of people, isn't that interesting. No, they 224 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.759 don't care, and if they don't know it, then it's 225 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:22.759 lost on them. So I think a lot of the 226 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.720 people here watching this actually probably didn't really understand what 227 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:28.519 was going on behind the scenes with the Muhammad and 228 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.200 Muhammad and Comedy Central saying no, we're not depicting it. 229 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:33.559 So that's why they didn't care about it. They saw 230 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.960 this as this was their way of taking down Family Guy, 231 00:09:36.000 --> 00:09:39.240 which meant more to South Park fans who would say 232 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:42.759 south Park is better Simpsons fans simps because Family Guy 233 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:44.360 was like the big thing at the time. I remember 234 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:46.720 I lived through it, right. I was always a big 235 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:49.320 Simpsons guy. I like South Park, but I was more 236 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:51.840 of a Simpsons guy. And then Family Guy came around, 237 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.559 and the people who never used to like the Simpsons 238 00:09:54.559 --> 00:09:57.879 anymore started liking Family Guy, and I'm going this, this 239 00:09:58.080 --> 00:10:02.159 is what you're liking. When this aired, it felt so 240 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:05.240 important to me to go see even Parker and Stone 241 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.000 they've got the balls to say, see. 242 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:07.720 How stupid it is. 243 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:10.159 And then the Family Guy, my friend to a Family 244 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.879 Guy fans would say, I don't care, I like Family 245 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:17.360 Guy and made me realize it's Okay, if someone else like. 246 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:20.759 Something different, absolutely, yeah, I mean speaking behind the scenes 247 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:24.320 stuff which we don't care. But something I found very 248 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.480 interesting in reading about this was that, yeah, Parker and 249 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.480 Sign they were saying, look, yeah, we hate Family Guy. 250 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:33.320 We wish I could, we wish they did better, and 251 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:35.360 they've clearly got smart people working on it, but they're 252 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.360 being kind of lazy in their joke construction all that. 253 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.639 Basically they said they quite unquote, don't respect it. Yeah, 254 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:44.120 and I also got word back from the Simpsons writing 255 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:45.679 stuff and also the King of the Hill writing stuff. 256 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:47.080 King of the Hill gets a shout out in the 257 00:10:47.320 --> 00:10:50.639 in part two as the Simpsons certainly yeah, yeah, but 258 00:10:50.720 --> 00:10:53.279 yeah they're riding stuff. Hated Family Guy even more than 259 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.799 Parker and Stone did. Quote from the King of the 260 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:59.919 Hill stuff, you're doing God's work. I found kind of funny. 261 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.240 He's really It's really interesting because you only be talked 262 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:05.559 to a Simpson's cast member behind the scenes of chavun 263 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:07.879 As on Mats someone, for example, they always go the 264 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:09.200 we're big fans of Family Guy. 265 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.960 It's like, well, you know, is that just professional courtesy 266 00:11:12.960 --> 00:11:14.559 on the part, Yeah, I mean, you don't want to 267 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.080 stir up any shit. Yeah, of course. Yeah, from what 268 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:19.519 I understand, I mean, Seth McFarland is you know, fairly 269 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:21.120 well respected. I mean, I know there are a lot 270 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:23.840 more people writing Family Guy and the McFarland sort of 271 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.639 stable of shows than just Seth. But he's kind of 272 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:28.279 the public face of it, just like you know, Parker 273 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:30.720 and Stone are the public face of South Park. Really 274 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:32.559 is different because Parker seems to be the one who 275 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:35.159 writes and directs everything. But yeah, I can understand why 276 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:38.200 they would say, no, Family, it does what it does. Well, 277 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:39.960 why are you going to falter, you know, a quarter 278 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.559 pounder for being a quarter pounder. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, 279 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:44.399 I wanted to roll the tape back just a little 280 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.519 bit of rewints a little bit because you're talking about 281 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:49.080 how oh they're talking a lot about Mahama, They're talking 282 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:50.960 a lot about family. I think the real issue that 283 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:55.080 they that Parker and Stone, Parker wanted to discuss with 284 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:58.039 cartoon War was was more about freedom speaks, more about 285 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:00.440 the First Amendment. I think they're using my arm is 286 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.879 kind of a vehicle for that. I think what they're 287 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.200 really I don't think they really give two shits about Oh, 288 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.440 we can't to pick Muhammed. I don't think Muhammad's their target. 289 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.799 I think it's more like, as you said earlier, and 290 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:14.000 as the line is in part two, it's like either 291 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.519 everything's all right to talk about or nothing is. And 292 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:18.919 we've talked about this, I think when we've talked about 293 00:12:18.919 --> 00:12:21.080 South but but maybe talked about other shows about you know, 294 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:25.840 the right to free expression, and you know, where does 295 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:29.039 your responsibility like? Because, as bider Man's uncle Ben said, 296 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.000 with great power aka the right to free speech comes 297 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:35.159 great responsibility. Should I say this thing, you've got to 298 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:37.320 be able to back it up with a point. There's 299 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:38.679 got to You've got to have a little more to 300 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.559 it than just I'm saying this to throw a Molotov 301 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:44.320 cocktail into the conversation. Yeah, I think that's their thing. 302 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:47.039 I think they're more interested in what are you allowed 303 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:49.159 to say? Why are you not allowed to say this? 304 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:51.679 All that kind of stuff, and you know you've got 305 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.720 various mouthpiece for it. I think it's I think it's 306 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:56.360 interesting actually that you know how we often say, remember 307 00:12:56.399 --> 00:12:58.320 the Cartman's the bad guy here. Remember Cartlin's not the 308 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:00.039 good guy. Yeah, Cartman is the one who's not a 309 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.399 family guy. Fan for various reasons. 310 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:06.279 Well, I think Part one of Cartoon Wars was designed 311 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:08.000 eight to set up Part two, which I think is 312 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.639 the better part of them both. But I think Part 313 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:14.279 one was also their way of venting the frustration because 314 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:16.360 I've been guilty of this and saying that Family Guy 315 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.600 is a mixture between Simpsons and South Park. Right, It's 316 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.600 got the vulgarity of South Park but also elements of 317 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:25.000 the Simpsons. But the thing is, there's a bit at 318 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.440 the end where it felt like it was just Parker 319 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.679 talking to us as the audience, where Cartman is saying 320 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:32.919 everyone always says, oh, you must like you must like 321 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:35.440 Family Guy, you must like Family Guy. No, and he explains, 322 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:38.279 this is why my jokes are better, and he's I 323 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.240 think I oven wrote it down, I'll read it out 324 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:42.879 about the joke structure. When I make jokes, they're inherent 325 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:45.919 to a story. Yes, deep situational and emotional jokes that 326 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:47.679 are based on what is relevant and has a point, 327 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.559 not just one interchangeable joke one after another. I felt 328 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.919 that was Parker venting his frustration, saying we are nothing 329 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:56.720 like Family Guy because Family Guy was being compared to 330 00:13:56.759 --> 00:14:00.799 South Park. But he goes yes, vulgar maybe, but when 331 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.000 it comes to joke structure, No, No, we know. 332 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:06.360 We've got a sturdy foundation and we're not just throwing 333 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:09.200 out zingers. Yeah, we're throwing out references or anything like that. 334 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:10.799 I think it's in Part two as well, that they 335 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.759 and Nkyle having their fight or something. Yeah, that's good car, 336 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.720 that's anger, that's character motivation. Yeah. Yeah, you see what 337 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:19.720 I'm doing. Yeah, yeah. 338 00:14:20.360 --> 00:14:22.559 I think it was just very important for them to 339 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:24.919 vent out the frustration again. It felt like an attack 340 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:25.519 on found the Guy. 341 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:27.399 Yeah. At the same time, I was wondering if there 342 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:31.000 are bits and pieces where Parkeringstone are actually calling themselves out. 343 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.679 There's the whole thing about Kyle. No gay speech is 344 00:14:34.759 --> 00:14:37.720 Kyle and I think you know, Parkeringstone had been accused 345 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.440 and maybe they have thought this about themselves, like we do, 346 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:41.559 tend to speech a fight, and. 347 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:42.919 That's what I'm going to say. In Part two, they 348 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.559 sort of it's they focus more on themselves. 349 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:49.039 Yeah. I know, we want to talk about more Part 350 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:51.600 A Part two, but they too are fairly well into twined. 351 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:53.440 But yeah, well we'll talk about part two more when 352 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:54.240 we talk about Part two. 353 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:55.960 This one here had more of the town. So the 354 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.440 town is worried that the world's going to go into 355 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.440 a shit show because Family Guy is going to depict 356 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:04.559 Muhammad and a cartoon, and which we find out in 357 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:06.360 part two. Why we won't say any thing here, but 358 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:08.679 it was a good tease. It's there's they found out 359 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:11.360 something about the Family Guy writing team. Well that's the thing, 360 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.519 which was a really fun tease and a great hook 361 00:15:13.559 --> 00:15:14.039 for next week. 362 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:16.440 It was great. It shows that these guys that Parker 363 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.559 and saying are really good storytellers, are really just good 364 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.159 students of story dynamics. I mean, we're watching this felt 365 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:25.000 like watching an episode of say twenty four or something. 366 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:27.320 Like that, and it's like we watch his back to back, 367 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:29.120 but you have to remember there was six days in between. 368 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:31.039 Oh yeah, and the whole sort of even the way 369 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.639 it's directed would just seem like the close ups on Varius. 370 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:36.080 There's something you need to know about the about the 371 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:39.240 Family Guy, righting, Yeah, close up on the present looking 372 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.120 kind of you know, what is it? What is it like? 373 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:43.039 And we're feeling that as well, Yeah, yeah, it's. 374 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.399 And we had six days. This is back when before 375 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:47.480 streaming in your binge watch things, we had six days 376 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:48.279 to discuss at work. 377 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:50.159 What do you think it is? What is it? Yeah, 378 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:51.919 of coo, I don't think. I don't think anyone could 379 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.879 get what it turns out today. The other thing is, 380 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:58.679 you know we mentioned before about how Parker and Stone 381 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:01.159 is sort of putting their voice into various characters, having 382 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:03.759 the characters voice various viewpoints of theirs, which of course 383 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:06.799 is what they do. You really have it with. I 384 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:09.240 think is it Butter's dad at the town hall meeting 385 00:16:09.240 --> 00:16:11.799 when they're coming up with various solutions about like what 386 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:12.360 can we do with it? 387 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.879 When Professor Timothy whatever his name is comes up with 388 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.080 the head in the sand theory correct, and he goes, 389 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:21.320 should we be about this is what Butter's dad says. 390 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:23.519 But he says at the end, and this is very 391 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.080 much a Parker and stoneh And he's like, yeah, then 392 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.480 we just believe in free speech. We don't defend it. 393 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:32.639 Don't defend it. Yeah, And you can sense they're frustration. 394 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:35.240 Everyone's like, no, the sad thing just sounds a lot easier. 395 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.759 I thought that was really funny. But you mean with 396 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:43.279 the sincerity, because you don't normally get sincerity from Butter's dad. 397 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:46.840 He's a horrible human being. That's correct. Yeah, but I 398 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:48.600 mean butters in this No, no, but he's the one 399 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.919 who's the real mouthpiece for like, and that feels like 400 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:54.360 a kind of like something out of a Frank Capra, 401 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:57.399