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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd

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like to hear from you. Molly. Let's start this week

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by talking about what is a huge story in DC.

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I'm not sure how much normal people care about it,

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but you know, it's definitely worthwhile to talk about Vanity

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Fair ran A. I think it's a two part piece.

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We've only seen part one of it. It involves interviews

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with White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles. I assume

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you have a reaction to people doing interviews with Vanity Fair,

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who shouldn't be doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. And I think people know who Susie

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Wiles is. She's frequently Trump will talk about how awesome

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she is, and she she's lauded at these, you know,

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rallies and things like that. So I think people understand

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that Susie has been very close to the Trump team

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for you know, at least five years. You could look

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at it more, you know, she's she kind of came

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from DeSantis world. Well, she's she's a really remarkable political

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consultant and advisor. And a lot of what has gone

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well in the second Trump term has been attributed to

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Susie Wiles. She the first Trump term was just constantly leaking,

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people leaving, you know, just lots of turnover and lots

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of drama, and this one really hasn't been And a

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lot of it is that people fear, in a good way,

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Susie Wiles, and they know that she does not tolerate silliness.

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And so yeah, it was absolutely shocking, in from my

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perspective to learn that she had opened the kimono like

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eleven times to a left wing reporter. And the story

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yesterday was that he wrote the first of these of

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a two part series just absolutely lambasting her and trying

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to like, you know, gin up division between her and

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the entire leadership team. And she's like, oh, I was

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taken down of context, and I'm really stunned at how

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this didn't go well, Oh you are, because I thought

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she was brilliant, you know. I thought she was this

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really smart person who wouldn't be as stupid as most

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Republicans are where they desperately crave the love and the

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Gazi profile, you know, promised by Vanity Fair. Like when

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Vanity Fair asked Milania when they said they wanted to

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do a big Gazi cover with her and do a story.

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I think the way that The New York Post wrote

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it was that she laughed in their faces. That's the

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proper response. Vanity Fair and other crazed left wing media

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are always going to help their friends and hurt their foes.

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And you've got to be smart enough to not care,

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got to be smart enough and like have some kind

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of moral core to literally not care anything about them.

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And so I think it was I don't have any

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any sympathy at all for what happened to them, because

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that's what's been happening to Republicans for forty years. And

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if you don't pick up on that, that's on you, right.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean yes, and no, I would just say,

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we've debated this before. I think it's fine for conservatives whoever,

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to go onto these shows debate these people in that context.

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I think what annoys me, and you know this very well,

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is that Republicans are still probably right now leaking to

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the Washington Post in New York Times, and not to

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others who will, I guess, help them, but not help them,

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but just give them a fair reading. I guess of

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what they're saying. This is different. Who are you're really

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appealing to? Who reads vanity fair? Not the people you're

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trying to reach. I will say, though I read the

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piece and I expected it to be much worse. Excuse me, Yes,

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there's definitely I think his name is Chris Whipple is

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the reporter. There's definitely a left wing slant everything he's

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writing here. But let me give you one of the

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quotes that everyone's talking. I don't think she was taken

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out of context. It doesn't seem to the context makes

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complete sense. So for instance, calling Donald Trump saying Donald

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Trump has an alcoholic personality right now, that was big news,

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and I think I forget who came out and said

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he doesn't even drink. But if you read deep into

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the story, there's a quote I'm going to read from her.

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She says, some clinical psychologist that knows one million times

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more than I do will dispute what I'm about to say.

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But high functioning alcoholics or alcoholics in general, their personalities

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are exaggerated when they drink, and so I'm a little

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bit of an expert on big personality. She's talking about

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her dad, who was a Yeah, giant's legend and NFL

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Voice of the NFL. So when she says that he

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has an alcoholics personality, she's talking about how he operates

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really big. You know, his personality is exaggerated when he's

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in public. Things like that. I don't find that offensive

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at all. I mean, in the context is there. You know,

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she said some things about Pambondi that I'm sorry they're

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just true. Maybe she's trying to send a message, you know,

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I don't know. But what I mean is I just

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don't think I think everyone's overreacting to this piece. I

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don't think it was terrible as terrible as everyone's making

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up meaning for the administration. I don't know why they

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would do it, but anyway, that was my take on it.

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When I read it, I expected something far worse than

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we actually saw.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, that's great that you're so like forgiving and

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generous to the vanity for people. But yeah, I didn't

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read it because I don't read propaganda like that unless

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like I really have to. But I and also by

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the way, most people don't read I'm glad you read it.

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I'm sure it's not I am sure. Actually, when she

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was said I was taken out of context or they

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the framing was all wrong. I was like, right, that's

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what they do. That's what they do, so you can't

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complain about it after you sit down with them eleven times. Meanwhile,

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like every real non leftist reporter has to beg borrow,

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you know, do anything to get like an Anadyne quote

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from the White House. But they're like, or you liberal media,

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we have an insecurity complex. We would love we really

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want you to like us, and we like all those

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gazzy profiles you do of the Democrats and you say

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you'll do one for us. Like the greatest example of

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it is when that world's worst, history's worst press secretary

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after bag Dad Bob was Crean John Pierre, right, like

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just horrible at her job, and she got like the sexiest,

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most beautiful photo and for cream John Pierre, a woman

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who's in her twenties, they did something to make her

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look like a really really wrinkly old lady. And it

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was like, yeah, because that's what photographers do. They're part

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of the left wing media complex, like you can't get

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upset about it. That's what they do, so don't play

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with them.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, well, can I clarify something that because you

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insulted me, I just want to say the Vanity I'm

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not defending the Vanity Fair writer. I'm told you it's

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in a left wing slant. I'm defending Susie Wiles, who

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I don't think said anything terrible in this interview that

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should that that should have this reaction where the entire

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White House is, you know, circling the wagons. It's it's

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she was actually saying something that was interesting and quite

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smart about Donald Trump and and and in that quote.

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That's all I'm saying. Sorry to interrupt, going.

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, what was the thing that like that? Okay,

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So it also goes through layers of left wing media

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when you play with left wing media. So first off,

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there's the right up of the piece itself, and she

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is very upset about it. So I wouldn't say that

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it's crazy to think that the framing and whatnot is negative. Yeah,

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she went after Elon Musk, jd Vance Russ, vote, Pam Bondy.

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It wasn't actually to your point, it wasn't that anything

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that she said about any of these people was necessarily horrible.

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they cherry pick out all the mean things. It's like, yeah,

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that's what a left wing reporter will do. They're not

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interested in the facts. And you might have thought you

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were showing nuance and that you weren't just being sickophantic

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toward these people, or that you weren't just being universally

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praising them, you were being a real person. Reporters aren't

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real people. All they do is exist to like crave

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some hit to take down their political enemies. So don't

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trust them. I don't care what the article says. I

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don't care what she said. I don't care at all

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about it. I only care that she agreed to do

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it eleven times. Like it's embarrassing as a person of

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the right. It is embarrassing to me how much people

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on the right are lack confidence in their viewpoint. The

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trust in corporate media right now is at an all

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time low. I think among Republicans it's eight percent, but

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it's like at twenty eight percent nationwide. The corporate media

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is only believed they are only believed by people on

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the left and Republicans in Washington, DC. That's their constituency,

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and they are a major threat to the Republic in

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how they operate, in the hoaxes they perpetrate, in the

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information ops they push out, in their propaganda and bias,

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and they are sustained by people taking them seriously. Milania

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Trump laughing in their faces was smart.

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Speaker 1: Well. Two things. One, it's a very dec thing to

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want to be in Vanity Fair right, just by by

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by people in power.

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Speaker 2: It just is low intelligence people. And she's not low

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IQ right.

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Speaker 1: I have never met her. She doesn't seem low IQ.

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She seems TRQ brilliant. I do like that. Every time

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I'm critical of Trump or someone you know, people online

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are like, you just want the left wingers to love

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you and stuff like that, which is very stupid because

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I don't care.

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Speaker 2: But he craves the hatred of everybody.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, I'm just being I'm just saying

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what I feel, whatever I mean. So it's nice to

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see that the people who really crave it are all

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in the administration getting makeup pancaked on their faces to

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be on the cover of Vanity Fair and I don't

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know if maybe Donald Trump likes it. I mean, he

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definitely is a person who is inclined to speak to

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major media like that, and maybe he made everyone do it.

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I don't know, but I'm sure he didn't make Susie.

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I'll speak to this guy eleven times during the during

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Liberation Day, during the inauguration, like all these big moments,

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she was on the phone with him.

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Speaker 2: I want to say one thing. I was screaming about

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this yesterday, and as I was, people said, oh, you

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know who really likes to talk to corporate media, Donald

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Trump and Scott Descent. And I was like, you know what,

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you are right, And I also find that annoying. But

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I think that's a good standard. You have to be

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as good at destroying the media as Donald Trump or

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Scott Bissent or jd Vance to talk to the left

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wing media. If you don't have that level of skill,

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then you don't. Okay, that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think two of those people are very

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good at it all. Scott Descent is just a leftist,

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so he's at home in those kinds of situations.

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Speaker 2: In real eric people are like that, dude's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean then they're being fooled. But the Donald

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Trump is good at it. But there is My point

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only is that there's this he does. I think, because

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he's an older guy who's been around is from New York,

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that he still wants to be accepted to some accept

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by them. I can't. I can't do it. I'm not

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a psychologist, right, I don't know for sure, but that's

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what it seems like to me. More than this, though,

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I just want to stress I find it very annoying

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that Republican senators and house members and powerful Republicans still

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leak all the stuff they have when they feel like

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it to the New York Times and Washington Post and

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Politico and all these places that are constantly that exist

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to destroy them. Basically.

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Speaker 2: Oh not just that, but if we write, if we

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write a piece that's critical of an agency or administration official,

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people act like you've somehow betrayed them. It's like, well,

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we do not exist to do your pr or operations.

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Like we will fight left wing media, which might make

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you think we're your friend because it's a similar enemy,

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but we're also covering you as real journalists.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess now tracts me.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the phone calls that Sean or I will get from.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a journalist, you're not taking out

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the happy, nice stuff and putting it out. You're putting

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out the stuff that's going to create controversy. That's just

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the journalist. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So here's where I disagree. If someone is giving you

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get a feel for them, and you understand the nuance

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of their position, and you understand where they've been you know,

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taken out of context, and then you provide that greater

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context because journalism isn't should not be about gotcha. At gotchat,

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she said one hundred things and one of them was

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really mean about this person. He said one hundred things

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about this person and one was mean. So I'll take

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that one. That's not truthful, that's not objective, that's not

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journalism's that's National Inquirer, you know, worse than National Inquirer. Actually,

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so I saw Brian Stilter being like, well, I used

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to work at Vanity Fair, which should tell you everything

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about the quality of Vanity Fair. And he's like, and

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anybody out there. And you hear this sometimes, like the

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New Yorker will say we have a vaunted fact checking department.

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I'll just point out that, like last week they ran

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a piece about Oliver Sachs making up all of his

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stories in The New Yorker, and like, they did run it,

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but they didn't say, and we the vaunted the fact

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checkers of the New Yorker are the ones who let

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all that through without a moment's hesitation, or the Russia

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collusion hooks, or the Brett Kavanaugh rapesmear things that the

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New Yorker has also done. The idea that Vanity Fair

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has a vaunted fact checking department is a joke. And

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before I realized that you can never operate with them

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at all. I'd been interviewed by The New York Times.

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don't care about them, but they ran a quote by

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me and it was clear. You know, maybe I talked

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to them for a long period of time and they have,

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you know, three quotes that they're running by me in

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a factual claim and it's clear from what they're doing.

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saying at all, Like you did not understand you know,

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that's not talking about that thing, it's talking about this

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other thing. And they were like, yeah, we literally only

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care if the words exit your mouth. That's not fact checking,

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that's hack checking. Like that is if someone if a

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source ever told me, and I pray you, if a

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source ever told me that I'd misunderstood what they had said,

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I would take that extremely seriously, unless they were like,

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you know, they I had caught them saying something admitting

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to a crime, and then they're like, no, I was sleepwalking.

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says I I messed up my understanding, I would. I

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would say, Okay, let me know what's going on here,

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because my job isn't to get them. And I would

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say that regardless of if it's my foe or friend

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or whatever. You know, you want to get the story right,

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don't you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But you're you're conflating to things, getting the story

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right and giving a framing of what's going on in

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the way that your source demands you do it, which

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I don't think is right. Obviously, you're going to hone

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in as a reporter on the most controversial thing. A

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person says, I agree with you totally. You should give

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that context. It depends on the situation. I guess I

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did want to go back with something that you said.

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That's I think incredibly and I'm incredibly interested in. Is

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this Oliver Sacks stuff For people don't know. He's a

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famous neurologist, many books. If you've ever seen the movie

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Awakenings with Robert de Nier, Robert Denier or Robin Williams,

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that's his story, which has actually never happened. I don't

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think there was any way to fact check Oliver Sachs

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because he was reading the story, he was there alone. Typically, however,

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there were many psychiatrists and neurologists who said, this sounds fake,

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this doesn't sound you can't replicate this. Why can't you replicate?

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And those people were left out. So it's often misleading.

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Things are about context, not mere you know, fact checking

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in kind of a traditional sense. I think you know

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what I'm saying. So sometimes I think people just love

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to hear. There's remember the movie rain Man where they

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made autistic people into like Superman, you know what I mean,

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where they can just calculate everything and do everything. And

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this that came from all of our sacks in a way.

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think you were maybe brothers who could like land on

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any prime number anywhere, like in the millions, you know,

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over and over, and other psychiatrists are like that, just

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that's impossible, right, and no one you know that's saying

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too too good to check. Well, that's exactly what happened

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with him. So I agree. Context is incredibly important, but

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sometimes it's difficult to check. So you should be skeptical

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about the things you hear if they sound fantastical or perfect.

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Speaker 2: Just one final thing. One of the things the New

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York Times cherry picked from the Vanity Fair story was

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they said, to show how bad the tension is between

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this in this very tense white house. It's so bad

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that JD. Vance offered one hundred dollars to the photographer

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for everybody that he could he could look better if

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the photographer could make JD look better than these other people,

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he would give him a hundred dollars per person. And

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he said, if you can make me look better than

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Marco Rubio.

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Speaker 1: It's a thousand.

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Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, so has this reporter who's so

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good at understanding the human condition that he's at vanity Fear,

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one of the faunted places never met a man like

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Is that not just total typical masculine busting of chops.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a thousand percent a joke. I mean, yeah,

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I'm not you know whatever. I mean, that's obviously I

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didn't even I had to be kind of told that

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that was supposed to be actual. I thought they were

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just joke joking out that that was attention creating moment.

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I just assumed when I read it that it was

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a joke. I will say one thing you said, how

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they quote you out of context and we're talking about

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this story. The only time I've ever been quoted, or

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most of the time I've ever been quoted in a

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major you know, newspaper or whatever, is when I go

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after conservators or Republicans. So it always makes me look

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like that's the only thing I do. And I'm not

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spending ninety nine, you know, ninety percent of my time

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being anti collectivist, antisocialist, anti whatever democrat.

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Speaker 2: So okay, all right, letting me scream about that.

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Speaker 1: No eleven interviews. That's pretty wild.

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Speaker 3: Could this latest jobs report be an election decider? Who

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are laying people off. Real job engine his companies that

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DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 1: Next topic, unfortunately, is the massacre in Bondi Beach in Sydney. Horrific.

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Fifteen people were murdered in cold blood.

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Speaker 2: And shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and many more shot, many more shot and hurt. There.

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The two people who did it, one was a It

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was a father and son. A father was a Pakistani immigrant.

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The son I believe was born in Australia, but was

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being reports say, was being investigated for ties to the

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to isis Islamic state. My first question was, Australia has

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all these gun laws, they essentially have confiscated guns. But

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yet this person, these people who are connected to might

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be connected to terrorism, had six weapons and it seems

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to me, you know, long rifles and other firearms. How

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did they get them? I mean, it's just insane.

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Speaker 2: But well, not just that they had weapons, but that

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the Jews on the beach did not have weapons.

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Speaker 1: They were defenseless. All they have to wait for the police,

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which we can get into this a little bit. It's

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clear from the evidence that I've seen that the police

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don't know how to react to this sort of thing

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or cowardly in Australia, I don't know elsewhere. But I mean,

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in just an overview of it is that, you know,

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I don't think Jews are safe anywhere right now in

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the world other than maybe Israel. I don't, or I'd

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rather put it this way, I don't think Jews probably

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and I am one feel safe going to a public

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event to celebrate their holiday anywhere in the world right now.

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And I don't know, just last week in Amsterdam, there

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was a holidayhonka party and people were marching by saying

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kill the Jews and all kinds of stuff. In New

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York there was a temple that was like surrounded by

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these people yelling take out another settler and stuff like that. This,

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you know, it's accelerated very quickly. It's frankly, you know,

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kind of the norm, but it is very upsetting norm.

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Speaker 2: Historically speaking, ISIS and other Islamist terror groups frequently target

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Jewish communities, people, events, that's true. They also frequently target

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Christian community and events. You know, we just had a

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Christmas market in Germany where they're not going to host

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it because of security threads. We have regularly had attacks

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on Christmas markets, on you know, churches, all sorts of

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awful things. They also just attack Western things in general,

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like the FBI disrupted a terror plot for New Year's

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Eve in la I think we had an Islamist attack

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in America on New Year's Eve last year in New Orleans.

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I believe that was the date of that. We have

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Islamist attacks on just people, you know, like in San

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Bernardino and the French theater. The there are a lot

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of Islamist attacks, and so I think it's interesting that

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you went first to the guns. Of course you did,

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because you're like the gun expert, and I totally get it,

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and I totally agree with literally everything you said there.

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But the real problem is one we don't want to

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talk about, which is that we have a problem with

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Islamist mass Islamist immigration to Western countries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a problem. I've written. I mean,

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you know in my book, in my book Eurotrash, I mean,

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there's an entire chapter I wrote about the problems with this.

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Like it's very difficult, I think, somewhat nuanced to make

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an argument for immigration and say that not everyone is

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equal when it comes to immigration, and that you want

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people who immigrate who will not just assimilate, but embrace

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the values of the places they go. And that's a

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difficult thing to do. And if you can't do it right,

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then you have to cut off immigration. I mean, I

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have evolved on this issue because I do think that,

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for instance, Muslims and Americans actually assimilated very well. But

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there's increasingly it's problematic that you have people coming over

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here who are targeting either Christians or Jews, I'm dismissed

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that Christians are attacked by Islamists. I mean, you know,

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in Africa right now there is I call it a genocide,

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but there are massacres of Christians all the time. I'm

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just pointing out that this was clearly aimed at choose

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anti Fada globalized.

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Speaker 2: So it was done on an anniversary of another anti

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Jewish event in Australia I believe, or a flying of

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a Dish Isis flag.

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Speaker 1: So no, you know, the October seventh was launched on

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Simhastori's Jewish holiday. This is Hanukkah, like they this is

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a norm for these people, Intifada globalizing to father the

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people phrase people rationalize here and use in Western countries,

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including the United States. Intifada is Palestinian for jihad, and

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it's a sub category of jihad. And Jews can be

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an easy target sometimes because they're in a country and

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they you know, there's only one hundred thousand Jews in Australia,

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you know what I mean. And by the way, there

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has been anti Semitic attack or anti Jewish attacks in

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Australia for a year now that are out of control.

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Speaker 2: There have been an open anti Semitic protest like at

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the Sydney Opera House with people calling for the death

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of Jews, and.

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Speaker 1: There was arson at the Melbourne Synagogue, the biggest synagogue

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I think in Australia and so and so on. I

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think Australian Jews should leave and go to Israel. I

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don't think they're welcome there anymore because the government there,

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instead of protecting them, instead of siding with them. A

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Western government decided that they wanted to reward Hamas with

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the state. The Prime minister of that country recognized Palestine

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and invented an invention of Hamas and the PLO. So

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they should leave. They should leave Europe too. In my view,

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they're not wanted there. I don't know how many times

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they have to be told that and shown that anyway.

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countries where we're bringing in I mean people who candler

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with Jews, candler with Christian Christians are next because political

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Islam makes no room for that either. And you can

474
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see it, and people tell me it's Islamophobic for me

475
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to point out that there are places in Europe. I'm

476
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talking about Sweden, I'm talking about Britain. I'm talking about France.

477
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There are no go zones where Islamists run communities with

478
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a parallel governments or governments that are above the government

479
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of the country, and police are scared to go in there.

480
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You can't have a country like that. You can't have

481
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that kind of thing going on. It's only going to

482
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get worse. We can't have that here. We cannot have

483
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that here.

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Speaker 2: Shortly after George W. Bush launched his campaign to get

485
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everybody to say that Islam is a religion of peace,

486
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there would be all these global polls of Muslims, and

487
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after the polls were done, there would be headlines from

488
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various media outlets saying, the vast majority of Muslims do

489
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not support extremists or violent terrorist incidents. The vast majority

490
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of Muslims oppose violent extremism and terrorism. And that was accurate.

491
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You know, it would be like seventy five or eighty

492
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percent of Muslims globally would say you shouldn't kill Jews

493
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and Christians, you know, willy nilly. And how many Muslims

494
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:35,519
are there in the world two billion, two billion, so,

495
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so how many would that be, Like they're saying there

496
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are only five hundred million Muslims who want to kill

497
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Christians and Jews, which is a huge number, you know

498
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what I mean, Like, I agree the vast majority. Take

499
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three out of four Muslims. They don't want to kill

500
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me right now. There are always in populations like crazy

501
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people or people who commit violence, and we're usually used

502
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to that being like a tiny fraction of a tiny

503
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fraction of a percent, you know, and five hundred million

504
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:18,279
people globally, when you are importing millions of people to

505
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,920
these other countries, like you're gonna get people who support violentarism.

506
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And so to your point, not all cultures are the same.

507
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There are cultures that generally oppose or have strict like

508
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rules on the guidance of use of violence developed over

509
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a long period of time, and there are some with

510
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looser rules. And it's totally legitimate to think about that

511
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when you are crafting an immigration policy, and certain it's

512
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even worse when you don't assimilate. And we stopped assimilating

513
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decades ago, so it's not like people are coming here

514
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and then we're like, and you're gonna become Christian. You're

515
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gonna be in a Christian community and you're gonna learn

516
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how not to kill people just because you're mad at them,

517
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and you know, like, we're not doing that. We're just saying, Oh,

518
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the Christians will now be like the middle man between

519
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the government, the taxpayers, and your pocket linings, and they're

520
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,680
just going to set you up with everything and they're

521
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,759
never going to talk to you about religion or values

522
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or norms and it's going to be great.

523
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Speaker 1: Well, I see people out there saying things like, you know, switch,

524
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,039
imagine if Palestinians were Jewish and Israelis were Muslim, would

525
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people still be talking about them the same way and

526
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,200
this and no, because if Palestinians are Jewish, they would

527
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,799
be peaceful and successful. That's why they all cultures are

528
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not the same. Islam is not a religion of peace,

529
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and that doesn't mean there aren't many many peaceful Muslims.

530
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,839
There are, but Islam is I'm sorry, it's formed by

531
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a warlord who is a who conquered half the world.

532
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And that's just how it is. Western culture is better.

533
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:56,319
If it weren't, there'd be mess migration from the West

534
00:32:56,319 --> 00:33:01,000
to the east, from Western countries to Islamic countries, but

535
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:04,880
there isn't. It's just how it is because Western culture

536
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,079
is superior, was it? Obama said, everyone thinks their culture

537
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,240
is better. You know, it's kind of relativistic view of

538
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,480
the world. The British would say their culture is better,

539
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,359
and the you know the yeah, but ours is better.

540
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It is better because I can measure how it's better,

541
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,880
and I can view it has flourished and helped people flourish,

542
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and other people will flourish adopt our ideals. Abu Dabi

543
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,759
is not rich because of Islam. I'm sorry. It's rich

544
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:33,039
because there's oil, and it's rich because we invented the

545
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car and the plane and so on. So that doesn't

546
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mean that Muslims can't participate in that and come in

547
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,359
here and be good citizens. There are plenty of good

548
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,160
Muslim people and citizens. But the idea that it's the

549
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:51,319
same and that frankly, you're going to import bad ideas here.

550
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We can't let that happen. And if that means shutting

551
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:56,279
down immigration, I guess I have to before that because

552
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if the government itself can't say, well, you want to

553
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,000
do have a higher standard of vetting. I don't mean

554
00:34:03,079 --> 00:34:07,160
vetting like oh are you terrorists? No, sir no, I

555
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,840
mean I mean I am in Gaza and in the

556
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,800
West Bank, like ninety percent of people support Hamas and

557
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,880
its goals. How can you let people like that into

558
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,280
a country, a diverse country that is all kinds of

559
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,840
people living together here. You can't. They are not compatible

560
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with this system. And that's just how it is. It's

561
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,760
not because of their race, it's not because of their

562
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,400
skin color, and it's it's because of their ideas. And

563
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Islam is a political idea, not just a religious one.

564
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And that's a fact. Like that group you mentioned that

565
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was planning a terrorist event in.

566
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Speaker 2: La Turtle Island Liberation Front.

567
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Speaker 1: Yeah, even the left wing media is like, yeah, this

568
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was real and it was serious. I saw NBC report that,

569
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So they're they're like pro you know, Palestinians. Part of

570
00:34:55,039 --> 00:35:01,760
it's been embedded into the radicals menu of grievances, right,

571
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,400
and it's dangerous. There's no I know people hate Israel

572
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,199
now and all that, but there's literally zero Israeli terrorist

573
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:12,559
events in this country. You have nothing to worry. There

574
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:16,159
are no Jews blowing things up. Doesn't mean Jews are perfect,

575
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,559
doesn't mean that you know, things don't happen, but that

576
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,519
no Christian terrorism or very very little Jewish and Christian terrorism,

577
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:28,159
and it's usually a fringe that is not supported by

578
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,559
step did yeah or yeah by anyone.

579
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Speaker 2: I just want to say I woke up on Sunday

580
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,199
early to this news, which is the second time on

581
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the Bondi Beach massacre. Second time I've woken up, you know,

582
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,199
on a weekend to see a horrific you know, see

583
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:51,639
things on Twitter that are horrible killings of Jews and

584
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,440
it's just awful. And so I feel, you know, to

585
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,679
feel very badly for all my Jewish friends, because there

586
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,719
is that, Like you said, you kind of began by saying,

587
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I don't think Jews are safe anywhere, and I pray

588
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,920
that's not true, but it's not an unreasonable thing to

589
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,519
worry about. And I'm just sorry that.

590
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Speaker 1: I would say I feel like Jews don't feel safe anywhere.

591
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,079
I would say that we shouldn't. How can I say this.

592
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:20,559
I'd never go outside and I'm like, oh, I'm Jewish

593
00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:22,880
and you know people are stalking me or whatever. I

594
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,440
think Americans aren't like that at all for the most part.

595
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:28,599
So a lot of what we see online is not

596
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,199
real life. You know. I'm not saying no one ever

597
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,800
makes a remark about Jews or anything. But I've lived

598
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,400
my life, as you know, pretty proudly Jewish, and it's

599
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:41,360
very rare that I've ever seen anything like that. So

600
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:45,639
we shouldn't live in fear. But I mean, if you

601
00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:47,639
were in Manhattan today and you wanted to have a

602
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,800
big Honikah lighting somewhere, I mean, if you're Jewish, do

603
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,199
you feel safe? I don't know. I don't know. I

604
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,400
wouldn't feel that safe.

605
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Speaker 2: So I want to move on to the brown thing.

606
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But I just want to flag two things very quickly.

607
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One was that early on we got video of a

608
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:09,039
man overpowering one of the terrorists and pointing his gun

609
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:10,880
at him. I think the terrorists later got away and

610
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,320
killed more people, but it was an impressive act of

611
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,519
bravery from that man. And then yesterday we got the

612
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news and saw the videos and pictures of or of

613
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,960
this couple that saw someone put up an ISIS flag

614
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,440
on their car, and so they saw what was going on,

615
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,400
and it's an elderly couple, like in their sixties, and

616
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,800
they tackled one of the shooters and did their best,

617
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,480
and he murdered them both. And I just want to

618
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:44,880
say it is inspiring that Australians have that much courage,

619
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even as they have you know, taken away their own

620
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,519
arms like they did that to themselves. But it was

621
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,639
impressive to see some courage. It was also awful to

622
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see the two lady cops just sit there and like

623
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,320
not do anything, you know, what was going on.

624
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Speaker 1: And the man who took the gun away from one

625
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,280
of the shooters was in ISLAMI you know, he was

626
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a Muslim, and I saw.

627
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Speaker 2: Some people saying he was marinit Christian, but maybe.

628
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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but whatever he is, it's just

629
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,800
incredible bravery. I mean, this is a horrible thing to say,

630
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but maybe he should have shot that guy because he

631
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,920
just went back and got another gun and kept killing.

632
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Speaker 2: Okay, so what were you saying about the about the

633
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,920
Brown shooting. I'm very frustrated with this one because there's

634
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,519
a weird lack of interest in this story and lack

635
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,559
of information. And you know, we know that a guy

636
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,159
came into a classroom shot up the classroom. Two people

637
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:44,599
were killed, including this woman who's the vice chair of

638
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,480
the Young Republicans at Brown, which is a very difficult

639
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,519
position to be in. And then a I think like

640
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:56,400
an engineering kid maybe from Virginia and then six others

641
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,199
were shot. They had a person of interest that they

642
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,800
detained and it turned out he had nothing. They released him.

643
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:05,599
And we don't know who it is. And this guy

644
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,480
is just on the run. What's going on?

645
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't know who it is. They they released

646
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,280
a video of someone walking, but it seems to me

647
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,920
like they have no clue. And then the MIT professor

648
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,519
Sean and I, you know, who knows what that's about?

649
00:39:25,039 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: In his home?

650
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Speaker 1: In his home. Yeah. I don't want to rush and

651
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,239
say these are politically motivated. We don't know, but they're weird, right.

652
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,880
It seems unlikely that they're just this is just some

653
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:39,280
random criminality.

654
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Speaker 2: So I hate that we you know, it does matter

655
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,280
what what's going on here?

656
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:47,519
Speaker 1: Is this?

657
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,119
Speaker 2: Is this someone with a mental break? Was this a

658
00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:57,719
love interest like shooting? Was this a Islamist terrorism? Was

659
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,760
this left wing violence? Right wing violence?

660
00:39:59,800 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: Like?

661
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Speaker 2: What is it? Why were people targeted? Were they not targeted?

662
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,239
Why was that location chosen? I want to know all

663
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,280
about it, and I feel like it's been weird the

664
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,320
lack of information, including that I'm not even sure what

665
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,559
he said when he entered the door. You know that

666
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,599
one of the few pieces of information we had was

667
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that he shouted something, but nobody could remember what it was.

668
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,639
And then I'm like, do we still not know what

669
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,039
he said? Which is weird.

670
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Speaker 1: You know, people are at this saying he yelled a

671
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,639
la a bar and this and that. I don't know

672
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if that is true at all, And I wish people

673
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:36,400
wouldn't spread those kinds of rumors, not because it's implausible

674
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,920
that someone would do that, but I just don't even

675
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,679
want to know the truth.

676
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Speaker 2: Wait, tell I deal with it, right. But I was

677
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,199
talking with a friend about there was this interesting thing

678
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:52,760
where you've had a spate of murders where people get

679
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,159
away from them in a way that we hadn't seen

680
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,960
for a while. So if you think from like Columbine

681
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,800
to the Bondi Beach thing, you know, we're kind of

682
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,920
accustomed to people doing mass shootings as a form of suicide.

683
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,360
It's a form of like, you know, please notice my

684
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,000
suicide here kind of thing. But like from Luigimi and

685
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:18,719
June need to other people, you're just having people get

686
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,320
away or trying to get away. The guy who killed

687
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:26,519
Charlie Kirk got away for a few days, which suggests

688
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:30,960
a more political motivation. I mean, Islamist is different because

689
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,920
even though it's got a political connotation, they also have

690
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,480
their religious view that they are going to have a

691
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:41,400
nice time in heaven. They if they get martyred, by

692
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,920
going to the end until they're until they're shot and killed.

693
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:48,239
But these other things seem like they might be political.

694
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:48,880
I don't know.

695
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: The scary thing is that it is actually quite easy

696
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,559
to kill someone in this country or in any country actually,

697
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:01,599
and that it happens so infrequently. I know, you know,

698
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,920
whatever shows that we're a very moral people. I know

699
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,400
it's out of style that say nice things about us,

700
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:12,559
but the increase in this sort of thing reminds me

701
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,639
of the books I read about the late sixties and

702
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:17,360
seventies when leftists were violent. A lot of this is

703
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,800
leftist violence. Most of it is leftist violence. Doesn't mean

704
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,119
that right wingers never do anything violent, or there are

705
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:27,800
no terrorism terrorists. I mean, yeah, I'm thinking about Oklahoma

706
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,119
City and so forth. There are horrible events, but most

707
00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:34,159
of it is left wing in general. So, deary, I

708
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:38,840
guess I we shouldn't be speculating like that. The other

709
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,079
news story I want to talk about, I assume that

710
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:44,639
you would have something to say about is that we

711
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,800
now know. I believe Fox News reported this first. You

712
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,800
might correct me if I'm wrong. Okay, that the FBI

713
00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:02,480
in twenty twenty two when they rated Marvel Lago, the

714
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:05,079
FBI did not believe they had probable cause to do it,

715
00:43:06,559 --> 00:43:10,440
and basically the Biden DJ pressured them into doing it

716
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:15,039
or ordered them into doing it, which obviously speaks to

717
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:19,119
the political nature of the entire operation. Yeah.

718
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to say that the emails show that

719
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,960
they were hell bent on rating mar A Lago for

720
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,119
a long time and that they were really pushing for it,

721
00:43:31,199 --> 00:43:34,960
and they, you know, once again, had internal resistance. Some

722
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,760
of my im did we this is a little bit

723
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,599
of a tangent, but did we talk about how the

724
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:46,119
Federalists won the Grand Now Journalism Prize a couple of

725
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:46,639
weeks ago.

726
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, but congratulations.

727
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: Thank you. It was a huge, you know award, and

728
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:55,920
our team that worked on the Russia collusion stuff this

729
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:59,360
past year won the award. And some of my stories

730
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:05,320
about that, my exclusive stories were that were showing how

731
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,719
at CIA and at O D and I there were

732
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:15,159
many people who were fighting the Obama spy team's efforts

733
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:18,920
to do the Russia collusion hoax, and they were siloed,

734
00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,199
they were kept away from information, they were threatened with

735
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:27,440
job promotions, like all sorts of bad things, and it's

736
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,840
always nice when you see that there's internal resistance. So

737
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,119
once again, the Biden FBI was just like, we're going

738
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:36,199
to raid mar A Lago, and you had people being like,

739
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,119
I think this is a horrible idea, and we don't

740
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:40,280
have probable cause, and you know, all this stuff, and

741
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,840
they're like, we got to do it anyway. It turned

742
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:48,039
out to be probably the single biggest, a horrible thing

743
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,840
for the country to go through, to see the Biden

744
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,320
DOJ raiding mar A Lago. It was that thing that

745
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,559
even though the media were all out there saying like,

746
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,639
we think this is wonderful and there's totally good reason

747
00:45:00,679 --> 00:45:02,880
for it, and they have probable cause and it's great,

748
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,320
you know, they were out there saying that, but most normal,

749
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,159
all normal Americans and even some who aren't normal, were like,

750
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:13,679
this is horrific. This is the worst thing I've ever seen.

751
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,880
This feels like a Banana Republic kind of thing. So

752
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,719
we have these emails now showing that they were really

753
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:24,639
pushing for it. It was part of a larger problem. So,

754
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,159
for example, I think, you know, President Obama has had

755
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:32,159
some disputes with the National Archives for what now like

756
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,760
nearly twenty years I guess how many years ago was

757
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:41,440
that he left twenty since twenty sixteen, Yeah, dealing with

758
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,920
his archival materials and their disputes. They go on for

759
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,840
a really long period of time. It's okay to have

760
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:51,599
disputes go on for a long period of time about

761
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:56,280
which are which papers go here, where they're whatever. And

762
00:45:56,559 --> 00:45:59,119
in the case of the Trump situation, they were clearly

763
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:00,760
just like this is going to be the way we

764
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,480
go after Trump. So there was no forgiveness, there was

765
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:07,920
no leeway. One of the emails showed that they'd had

766
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,800
like an agreement on a date of May twenty fifth

767
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,079
or something for some exchange. But Trump's lawyer says, like

768
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:18,079
in a in correspondence, like we thought that was like

769
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,360
sort of like when we begin doing some of this stuff,

770
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:27,920
and the FBI DJ is instead just being like unforgiving

771
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:32,559
about everything. So that different treatment of Trump versus Clinton

772
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,840
and Obama and even you know, George W. Bush is

773
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,440
part of the story here. It was a huge mistake

774
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,480
on their part.

775
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:44,199
Speaker 1: Well so pertantly yeah, oh yeah, I mean it was

776
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:51,199
Banana Republic stuff. The in the in the correspondence, the

777
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,280
official is saying, this is old information. We need someone

778
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:58,679
new to tell us there's something there because maybe they

779
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,639
worked it out. We don't even know. Secondly says, this

780
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,599
is something the classification debate is something that first needs

781
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:11,079
to be worked out before we start rating next president's home. No,

782
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,960
you know, because these things happen with every president basically,

783
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,519
and that the classification needs to be sorted out and

784
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,119
without any new facts. We shouldn't be doing this also

785
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,400
because not only do the facts not support probable cause,

786
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,480
but if we do it this way the league, it

787
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,639
will be a tenuous case afterwards because this will all

788
00:47:33,679 --> 00:47:38,119
be one day pointed out right. So if you want

789
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:40,079
to build you build a case. It takes a long time.

790
00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:43,079
But of course everything was accelerated because they were only

791
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,480
building a case to try to stop Donald Trump from

792
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:49,360
being president. And that's why it happened, and that has

793
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,440
been out of Republic stuff. That's I hate the word

794
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,519
coup because it means something very specific, so I wish

795
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:55,880
it was a better word for it. But this is

796
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,000
like soft coup stuff, right, and there's no real way

797
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,880
around it. You can look at it this way. There

798
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:11,519
is no way this would happen to anyone else with

799
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:16,480
with responsible DOJ prosecutors who were actually trying to build

800
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:19,920
a real case against someone, which is completely within their purview.

801
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,760
They should do it if they wanted, they should do

802
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,719
it to everyone equally. There's gonna be a lot more

803
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,960
of this. I suspect of it in the next three years,

804
00:48:27,039 --> 00:48:33,119
because there's the probably a lot there. But anyway, so Molly,

805
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,079
I thought, because we had a few things on tap

806
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:39,280
here on culture, we'd go culture now and probably a

807
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,119
little longer than usually. Yeah, I wanted to mention that

808
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,880
Rob Reiner passed away, didn't pass away. He was murdered

809
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,559
by his or his son is the alleged murderer. Obviously

810
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:56,880
he was unwell, and his wife as well. It's just

811
00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:04,000
such a gruesome story. And I know he said a

812
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:07,679
lot of crazy stuff, Rob Reiner, but I had went

813
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,159
through his movies that he made, and a lot of

814
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:13,000
them are just mad, i'd say, in the last few years.

815
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,480
But as someone who grew up in the eighties and nineties,

816
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,159
I just want to read you this string of movies

817
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:23,360
and just think about how tonally different they are and

818
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,519
how they've been kind of embedded in the in like

819
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:30,079
the fabric of American culture. But this is Spinal Tap,

820
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,519
just a really funny movie. I love it. Then he

821
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,519
did the Short Thing, which is meh. But then he

822
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:38,039
did Stand by Me, The Princess Bride, when Harry met Sally,

823
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,519
Misery and a few good men. All of those movies

824
00:49:41,519 --> 00:49:45,519
are so different, and all of them have become kind

825
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:48,400
of staples of I guess I'm going to show old

826
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,079
I'm now, but you know, the TBS New classic movie

827
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:55,199
that almost every one of our generation has seen, you know,

828
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,679
many many times. He was a talented guy, and I'm

829
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,840
it's it's just horrible how how he went. That's all.

830
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 2: Well, yes, he I have such you know, different thoughts

831
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,559
on him. First of all, amazingly talented. Princess Bride is

832
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:17,760
one of my favorites. I know some people think it's

833
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:23,320
way overrated, but just an unbelievable string of hits and

834
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:31,159
you know, remarkable in that way. And I there's that

835
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,480
thing about don't if you don't have something nice to

836
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:38,719
say about the dead, don't say anything something. Is that right?

837
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,079
Or Is that okay something like that, Yeah, you know,

838
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:47,840
But personally, I'm very conflicted because Rob Reiner targeted the

839
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,840
Federalist for destruction, and it's hard to say nice things

840
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,519
about someone who was so bad on certain things. He

841
00:50:57,559 --> 00:51:00,960
founded something called like the Committee to Invent Instigate Russia.

842
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,400
It was a major part of the Russia collusion hoax,

843
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,519
which we just won a big prize for our role

844
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:12,360
in destroying that hoax, but it was very, very difficult

845
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,039
to fight it. And Committee to Investigate Russia was something

846
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:20,480
he founded, he funded that he worked on with all

847
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:26,199
sorts of bad people like James Clapper, Max Boot, Evelyn Farcas,

848
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,519
Michael Hayden, Jeb Johnson, Michael More, Norm Ornstein, Leon Panetta,

849
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:38,280
Charlie Sikes, Clint Watts, David from people who were really

850
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,519
pushing the lie that Donald Trump had stolen the twenty

851
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:47,320
sixteen election by colluding with Russia, and anyone who had

852
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:54,920
enough courage to fight against that was roundly lambasted and lampooned.

853
00:51:55,079 --> 00:51:58,360
And he kept that going, you know, for years, the

854
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,320
years that we were doing most of the work on that,

855
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,840
almost single handedly. And I genuinely appreciate his films. I

856
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:14,559
genuinely do. His political activism was very damaging to our

857
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:17,760
republic and it should not be commended in any way.

858
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,360
And I love hearing people say like what a nice

859
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,719
man he was and all that, and that's great. He

860
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,440
was not nice to my children. It was not nice

861
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,079
to me. It was really really bad to the people

862
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:33,679
at the Federalist and our families who suffered horribly from

863
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:39,760
the censorship and the targeting of our publication. So I'm sorry,

864
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,559
but I just have to mention that because I'm conflicted

865
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:46,360
on it. Sure I get that no matter what, no

866
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,039
matter how bad you are on you know, trying to

867
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,199
destroy me in my business and everything, you do, not

868
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,559
deserve to be murdered by your son. Yeah, to be

869
00:52:56,719 --> 00:53:00,320
like to be very clear on that. And I think

870
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,679
what happened to him and his wife is just horrific

871
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,800
and like one of the worst, saddest, awful things.

872
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 1: Conservatives are in a precarious position with these kind of

873
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,280
artistic types because sometimes they do things that you love,

874
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,440
and then you hear them speak about politics or the

875
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,719
world and this is more personal for you, but just

876
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,320
in general, you know, you hear them say things and

877
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,960
you're like, they're complete idiots on this like they don't

878
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:26,800
know anything. Most of them know nothing about those kind

879
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,199
of issues, but they feel because they're famous, that they

880
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,320
have some kind of moral right to lecture us about it.

881
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:41,079
And that is unfortunate. So yeah, it's difficult to separate that.

882
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,920
I'd have to do it with a lot of people

883
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,559
I like, unfortunately, but none have attacked me personally, have

884
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:48,960
come after me, except boy George once came after me

885
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:55,039
personally on Twitter. Other than that, yeah, it's terrible. Another

886
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:59,320
person who passed away, Norma Pothartz, passed away. He was

887
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,639
I think in his nineties ninety five or something.

888
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: Like that, before a month's ninety fifth birthday.

889
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,039
Speaker 1: I would say a genius, I guess, or whatever that means.

890
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,079
It's just rare that you have someone who has such

891
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,480
knowledge about literary things, political things, historical things, and he

892
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,800
was just a special mind. I never met him, so

893
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,639
I don't I don't know him. I didn't know him personally,

894
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:29,840
but it's just a very impressive person. I think, you know,

895
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,440
he's editor of Commentary. He turned Commentary into what we'd

896
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,679
call a neoconservative magazine. But I don't think he was

897
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,119
a neoconservative. But in the real, true sense of the word.

898
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes people use the term neocon. Sometimes I'm one

899
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:47,079
of those people to refer to interventionist foreign policy. But

900
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:51,679
it's actually this you know, wonderfully broad intellectual movement that

901
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,199
had it's outset very little to do with foreign policy,

902
00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:00,800
and you know, it's just a really interesting era where

903
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,280
people who had been on the left moved to the

904
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,679
right by strength of you know, facts and reason. So

905
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:09,159
he being a great example of that.

906
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:13,159
Speaker 1: The famous thing is they were mugged by leftist mug

907
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:13,960
by reality.

908
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you see that thing where I think it

909
00:55:17,559 --> 00:55:20,239
was David Sedaris who got bit by a dog.

910
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: I saw something about that, but I didn't look into it.

911
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,039
You know, too many dogs in Manhattan.

912
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: I think is very upset that nobody cares because he

913
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,079
doesn't rank as high on the intersectionality as the homeless

914
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:37,039
person and their dog. Not enough to of course renounce

915
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:39,880
his left wing views, but it's still kind of interesting.

916
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:45,639
So did you. Yeah. In Midge Dector, his wife also amazing,

917
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,400
I mean, from a really amazing family. Midge and he

918
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:55,639
both staggering talents. His daughter, who's a very good American

919
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:01,880
Israeli journalist, Riuthy bloom and had really interesting things to

920
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:07,559
say well into his old age, you know, including that

921
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:11,840
one of the things that I found very comforting was

922
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,559
that he had some of the same pain in twenty sixteen.

923
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,559
He did not start out liking Donald Trump at all.

924
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,519
He was a Marco Rubio supporter, I think, and then

925
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,760
when Trump won the nomination, he began to be alarmed

926
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,519
by the never trumpsm of Bill Crystal, that would be

927
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:32,559
his friend, Irving Crystal's son, you know, and other people

928
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,760
like that who just kind of lost their minds. And

929
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,960
he spoke publicly about it, which I thought was interesting,

930
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:40,800
And as someone who went through that because of my

931
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,159
husband's work at the Weekly Standard, it was a very

932
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:47,960
painful thing, and knowing that he was going through it

933
00:56:48,159 --> 00:56:51,960
just by not losing his mind to never trumpism was

934
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:53,679
comforting for me.

935
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,159
Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, I don't know if you ever read his

936
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:58,559
books about I think once called breaking Ranks and the

937
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,159
others once called ex friend and so they're just about

938
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:03,599
how the left left him. And he was friends with

939
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,039
like Alan Ginsburg and like you know, all these huge

940
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:10,119
you know, these big names in the sixties that were

941
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:12,280
no longer his friends when he became a.

942
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: Conservative you say that ex friends line. So that's one

943
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,559
of his quotes. I began to be bothered by the

944
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:19,719
hatred that was building up against Trump from my soon

945
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,440
to be new set of ex friends. It really disgusted me.

946
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:27,880
I just thought it had no objective correlative. They called

947
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,119
him dishonorable, or opportunists or cowards. And this was done

948
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:34,000
by people like Brett Stevens, Bill Crystal and various others,

949
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,159
and I took offense at that, So that inclined me

950
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,920
to what I then became anti anti Trump. By the

951
00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:43,719
time he finally won the nomination, I was sliding into

952
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:46,280
a pro Trump position, which has grown stronger and more

953
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,800
passionate as the time has gone on.

954
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 1: Well, his last two books were World World War Four,

955
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:59,639
The Long Struggle against Islamo Fascism and Why are Jews Liberal?

956
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: Which is which is really interesting. Actually, yeah, that's good.

957
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,719
Speaker 1: Just an incredible talent. And I'm sorry that he passed away,

958
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,239
but you know, he lived a very long life. If

959
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:10,639
I get to.

960
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: Mitch died, Midge died only a couple of years ago, right, Yeah.

961
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:21,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's kind of weird and sad in a way.

962
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,719
But whenever something like this happened, someone's passes away who

963
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:25,960
I like, but I'm not like obsessed with. I get

964
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,079
obsessed about them for a while, and I go back

965
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,119
and read their stuff and really get to know about them.

966
00:58:31,159 --> 00:58:33,199
And that goes honestly for Charlie Kirk as well, I

967
00:58:33,199 --> 00:58:35,880
didn't know much about and then when I like him

968
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,599
much more now than I did when he was around,

969
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,920
And maybe that there's a lesson there that I should

970
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,039
be more open minded towards people, or I want to

971
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:46,000
look into what they're saying.

972
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: Thinking of lessons, I think about how I'm so glad

973
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,920
I grew up Lutheran for a million reasons. But one

974
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,280
of the things is I wasn't always in a dominant

975
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,559
religious setting. Actually, like my early childhood, I really was.

976
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:04,199
We were in a small country church where everybody I

977
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:07,239
knew basically was part of the church. But then when

978
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,039
I moved into a larger environment and I had to

979
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:13,239
deal with how a lot of people didn't share my views,

980
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:18,599
whether they were you know, fellow Christians who had slight

981
00:59:18,639 --> 00:59:23,199
differences or different religions with much greater differences, and learning

982
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:27,559
how to explain my views and understand that not everybody

983
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:29,480
would be with me. That I think is a really

984
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:31,880
important skill to teach people. And I'm thinking about this

985
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,360
because like he went through the ex friends thing in

986
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,000
young age, so he was able to handle it better

987
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,679
in older age. I think my husband and I have

988
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,639
like strong church ties, which helped us whether the very

989
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:50,159
difficult time when everybody was being like really mean if

990
00:59:50,199 --> 00:59:53,400
you didn't join you know, their never Trump movement and stuff,

991
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,800
And so I think we should think also as parents

992
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,840
how to help our kids have opportunities to learn how

993
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,320
to not be in Jordy positions or how to stand

994
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,360
strong even if it cost them a friend or you know,

995
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,000
things like that.

996
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, when anyone does ask me about writing

997
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:12,599
or being a columnist or something, I say, you know,

998
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,480
if you're just going to say you know, occasionally if

999
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,159
you have a different opinion, you have to be brave

1000
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:20,960
and and talk about it and learn to deal with it,

1001
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,039
because if you're just saying what everyone expects of you

1002
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:25,480
all the time, you can be pretty boring, I think.

1003
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:31,079
Speaker 2: But yeah, so, okay, so have you watched anything, seen anything,

1004
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:31,880
read anything.

1005
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:35,199
Speaker 1: I have not really watched something, but I wanted to

1006
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,000
maybe quickly go through you. The Federalists released its notable

1007
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,800
books and I participated, so maybe I could go through

1008
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,599
those books do it. I don't think I have anything

1009
01:00:44,599 --> 01:00:47,880
that I actually watch, so you guys are kind enough

1010
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,440
to still let me give my favorites on there. And

1011
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,719
I noticed that mine is way overdone and the longest

1012
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,039
one with the most things. I need to like prepare

1013
01:00:57,079 --> 01:00:59,199
this back. But here are my notable books, and I

1014
01:00:59,199 --> 01:01:01,559
don't you know there and they're not all from last year.

1015
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:04,039
But there's a book called Jews Versus Rome to Centuries

1016
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:07,800
of Rebellions against the world's mightiest Empire, and it's by

1017
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,079
Barry Strauss, has written many good books about ancient history.

1018
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,280
I would say this is very interesting because not just

1019
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,760
because of the rebellion of Jews and it tells you about,

1020
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,760
you know, how the diasporas stored and all that, but

1021
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:22,440
that it also coincides with the rise of Christianity and

1022
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,800
the height of Rome, and it's super interesting. And if

1023
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,079
you're into Rome, as most men apparently are according to Poling,

1024
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:31,280
there's a book called Children of Mars, the Origins of

1025
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:35,679
the of Rome's Empire, which is very interesting, counterintuitive, I

1026
01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:39,039
think in many ways. Another book I loved is well,

1027
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,880
I should get so excited about it, but Hitler's people.

1028
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,480
It's called The Face of the Third Right by Richard Evans.

1029
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,719
It has biographies of all the people who kind of

1030
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:52,280
the generals, you know, but also the people who kind

1031
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,639
of created the esthetic and cultural life, like Albert Speer

1032
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:59,199
and Julius Strike Streicher and all those people. I'm going

1033
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,960
to skip a few these. It's Mark Twain. I think

1034
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,360
I mentioned that on the show. I don't know that

1035
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,280
book's like fifty pounds to lift, but it's amazing. Yeah,

1036
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,800
The Maniac. I think I mentioned. There was a Woody

1037
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:16,639
Allen one and a bunch of books about music. It's

1038
01:02:16,679 --> 01:02:19,039
my guilty pleasure, and I won't read all of them,

1039
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:20,679
but one of them that you might be interested in

1040
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:23,000
others is called Burning Down the House, talking heads in

1041
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,159
the New York scene that transformed rock. Yeah, And one

1042
01:02:27,199 --> 01:02:29,639
of the best rock bios I've read recently was called

1043
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,719
Autonomy Portrait of a Buscock by Steve Diggol who's in

1044
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:39,079
the buscos he's only remaining living member. And that is

1045
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:42,360
it for me. Also, it's Hanukkah right now, and I

1046
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:45,280
just want to remind everyone that it's not a holiday

1047
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,400
about lights or miracles. That part was added two centuries

1048
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:52,920
after the fact. It's a story of a rebellion against

1049
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:59,639
interlopers and traders to the national identity of Judaism. That

1050
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:03,000
is my lost cause, trying to convince people to celebrate

1051
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:04,000
it for what it is.

1052
01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:08,519
Speaker 2: I love that you do that, so huh, how how

1053
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:14,840
about you? Okay? I watched The Princess Switch, which is

1054
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,960
an old movie with Vanessa Hutchins. Watched it with a

1055
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,440
girlfriend and one of the kids, and that was, you know,

1056
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,840
it was better than adequate. We had sat down and

1057
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,360
we had seen a tweet where someone said the Nutflix

1058
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,239
holiday movies are surprisingly good with good character development this year.

1059
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,920
So we started one and it was horrifically bad. It

1060
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:43,079
was about a woman pretending to be Santa so she

1061
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:47,079
would have the money to send her kid to snowboarding school.

1062
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:51,320
It was so like the lighting, the acting, the script,

1063
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,000
everything was awful.

1064
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,199
Speaker 1: It reminds me I did watch a Christmas movie that's similar, Noel,

1065
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,599
Did you hear about this one? Is Anna Kendrick and

1066
01:04:01,639 --> 01:04:02,360
Bill Hayder.

1067
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 3: Oh?

1068
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:07,239
Speaker 2: I like those people. Yeah, you've already said it's a

1069
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,920
far better film than what we began watch.

1070
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:13,039
Speaker 1: Anna Kendrick is already two words better than that film.

1071
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:16,079
Speaker 2: Okay, but it wasn't very good or what.

1072
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to give it away.

1073
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 2: So I saw Hamnett last night, which is getting absolutely

1074
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:36,840
rave reviews, and I did not love it, I will admit.

1075
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,039
I mean, first of all, it's gonna win like every Oscar,

1076
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:42,400
so just be prepared for that. I assume I don't

1077
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,400
know any of the names of the people involved, so

1078
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,960
forgive me. The guy who plays William Shakespeare remarkably well done.

1079
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:53,400
The guy the woman who plays his wife, who in

1080
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,920
the movie is called Agnes I guess that's her real

1081
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:02,079
name instead of Anne Hathaway. I did not like it.

1082
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:04,880
I thought, first of all, you know how you can

1083
01:05:05,639 --> 01:05:08,599
listen to podcasts at one and a half time speed

1084
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:14,920
more quickly this is yours. I wanted this movie to

1085
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,480
be at two time speed. I was just like, yeah,

1086
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:19,719
got it, got it, totally got it. I'm here, I'm

1087
01:05:19,719 --> 01:05:22,519
with you, Okay, let's can we move on? So sorry.

1088
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:26,280
The movie is about how Hamlet was written coming out

1089
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,920
of the grief of William Shakespeare and his wife losing

1090
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:35,119
their son Hamnett at a young age, and how they

1091
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:38,960
process that grief and it's an interesting look at how

1092
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:41,360
art helps us process grief.

1093
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: Sounds awful, sorry, child death artistry helping us? Okay, can

1094
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,559
I say I'm such I'm such a troglodyte that when

1095
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:53,480
I put this up it said Anne Hathaway, I'm like, oh,

1096
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:56,079
Anne Hathaway is in it? The actress?

1097
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: Sorry, wait did I just say Anne Hathaway?

1098
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,519
Speaker 1: What is it you did? But correctly, h it is.

1099
01:06:04,159 --> 01:06:06,239
It's Jesse Buckley and Paul Mescal.

1100
01:06:06,639 --> 01:06:09,440
Speaker 2: Okay, Paul Mescal is very good, and the kid who

1101
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:15,119
plays Hamnet is stunning, like great actually both as a

1102
01:06:15,159 --> 01:06:17,519
little kid. And then and then sorry so ed, then

1103
01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:22,880
the Hamlet guy who plays okay, so way too long. Also,

1104
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:27,440
they lean so heavily into paganism that it's just kind

1105
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:33,039
of lost me emotionally, So William Shakespeare. Mary's a witch

1106
01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:36,039
from the forest, and she's a witch. She's like a

1107
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:39,800
full blooded witch who hates Christianity. So I'm like, okay, well,

1108
01:06:40,239 --> 01:06:43,119
hard for me to care. Like she's trying to keep

1109
01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:46,320
her children alive using spells and potions, and I'm like,

1110
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:52,920
I just okay, great. And then the thing that enraged

1111
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,559
me more than anything is that the end she's in

1112
01:06:57,679 --> 01:07:00,760
grief and the marriage is hurting because of the grief.

1113
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:06,039
And she shows up at the Globe Theater. Well, she

1114
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:10,119
doesn't know anything that's going on, but apparently her husband

1115
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:13,760
writes plays, I guess, and so she figures this out

1116
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,039
and she goes to the Globe Theater and she has

1117
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:21,280
never seen a play before, and so she is very

1118
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:26,039
confused at why her son is on stage, even though

1119
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:29,000
Hamnett dies as a young child and Hamlet is a

1120
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:34,159
young man. She's like, what sorcery is this? How does

1121
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:36,400
my son on stage? And she's like, why is he

1122
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:40,519
saying words? No? And she's like disrupting the whole play,

1123
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:45,480
And I'm like, what is going on? Like she's married

1124
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:49,280
to William Shakespeare and she doesn't know how plays work,

1125
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,679
even though her kids did a play for her earlier

1126
01:07:52,719 --> 01:07:55,599
in the film. And I think I'm the only person

1127
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,400
in America who feels this way because it's got literally

1128
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,360
like one hundred percent rating on runned.

1129
01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:05,199
Speaker 1: I never heard of it. Did you go to a

1130
01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:06,239
movie theater to see this?

1131
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 2: I did?

1132
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:13,639
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Oh so that's a no from you.

1133
01:08:13,679 --> 01:08:16,199
I should not watch it, That's what I'm getting. Don't worry.

1134
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:18,439
I would never watch that movie in a million years.

1135
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 2: I'm sure we will get angry email about how I'm

1136
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:27,119
unable to understand the beauty of this film. It's just also,

1137
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:32,680
like all of William Shakespeare's gift it comes from her.

1138
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,600
She the woman, the great woman.

1139
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: Is she because she's amused or because she actually does

1140
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,439
the work or oh no, no, no.

1141
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 2: Not that she does the work, but like she's the

1142
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,960
one who brings this out of him and he never

1143
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:47,600
would have known or done. You know. It's like, well,

1144
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:52,119
maybe maybe I understand how that works, but like I'm

1145
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:54,800
just kind of done with the feminism. You said something

1146
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:55,640
about feminism.

1147
01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just saying that that Noel movie was

1148
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:01,720
a little bit like that. It you know what, I

1149
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:05,479
don't care. Here's a spoiler, like she's the real Santa Claus.

1150
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:08,319
She has the gift, not because it's hereditary and Bill

1151
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:10,840
Hater is supposed to be it. And it had some

1152
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:13,479
funny moments when I'm just so tired. Maybe she is.

1153
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,039
You know, I don't know who Santa Claus is, but like,

1154
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:17,479
do I have to be hit over the head with

1155
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,880
this every movie? You know? That's all I'm saying.

1156
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,159
Speaker 2: There was that viral story in compact by the guy

1157
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:26,760
who was talking about how white millennial men got totally

1158
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:33,159
screwed and in all job fields that everyone's been talking about.

1159
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:34,920
Did you read that or no.

1160
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: I read about it. I haven't had the chance to

1161
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,640
read it yet. Yeah, I thought of the DII programs.

1162
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was well done. The one

1163
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:54,560
thing that's a little bit annoying is how how it's

1164
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,439
like being written now as if everybody didn't know about it,

1165
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:00,439
and that they just didn't have the courage to say

1166
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,119
more about it at the time.

1167
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. And DII is is is evil because it judges

1168
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,439
people by immutable characteristics like their skin color and how

1169
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,359
they're born. I just I just think there's nothing good

1170
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:19,039
that could ever come out of it, you know.

1171
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 2: And I'll just say on that note, there was an

1172
01:10:21,159 --> 01:10:24,159
excellent book that came out last year by Jeremy Carl

1173
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:28,720
called The Unprotected Class, How anti white racism is tearing

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America apart. Very well researched, very well done, looking at

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the institutional racism that we have and had like in

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recent years against white men in particular, you know, just

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a real concerted effort to harm white men, and how

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everyone just kind of went along with it. You had

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corporations just bragging about it and acting like they were

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good people for being sexist and racist, and it's just awful.

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But you do have to have courage to speak against it.

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And that was the big flaw with the Compact pieces.

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He's sort of unwilling to speak against the people who

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really perpetrate this. He gets mad at like older generations

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of white men because they didn't suffer as much your generation.

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But really, older generations of white men aren't the ones

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who put this racist system into place. It was all

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these left wingers, and.

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Speaker 1: Some of them were white men. Yeah, I mean because

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white because when people throw me in with white men,

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it makes me. It just gets me so angry because

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I don't even like most white men, or agree with

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most white men, or have the same background as most

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white men.

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Speaker 2: From a friend who listens to this podcast, may I

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also make one stylistic observation that is fairly ubiquitous in

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the press and media. Why do people refer to my

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demographic as quote white guy's quote always the casual white guy,

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not the black man or Japanese man that we accord

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to every one else. My theory is that guy makes

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it sound lighter, like one is not insisting about the

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prerogative prerogatives of the white man with all the baggage.

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But I find it subtly demeaning to be referred to

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repeatedly as a guy.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about I noticed that that's fair.

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I don't like it at all. I'm not saying that

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there isn't racism against or the DEI doesn't exclude and

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target white men. I think it does. But being white

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is not a cultural distinction. I'm sorry, it's not okay.

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I think that's it. If you would like to reach

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the show, you can. Sorry, yeah, no, go on.

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Speaker 2: Can we just do one more thing?

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Speaker 1: I think we do this every week where I go

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get it, get all revved up to do the email fart. No, no,

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I want to tell me.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say that, apart from my princess

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switch and hamnet thing that I hadn't seen gotten to

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spend time this weekend watching TV or movies because of

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all the Christmas parties here in town. Do you go

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to Christmas parties.

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Speaker 1: Where just I went to a local in America, not

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in DC, to a local one? Yeah one?

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Speaker 2: And Mark and I do not like to go out

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at all. We're very comfortable being at home. And we've

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had this where we're going to like two or three

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parties a night, and.

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Speaker 1: Like everyone has them, everyone has them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like last week we went to one organization's party,

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and then we went to a different organizations party, and

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then we went to a bar after that organization's party.

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By the way, Oliver Stone was there. WHOA, I bet

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you would have loved that.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to speak to him of that some stuff.

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Now let me ask you. Can you tell us what

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you can't tell us what that organization was?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I should.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Like I just I'm curious where. I'll ask you after.

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But I'm curious, like where he would show up, you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I think that's more of a function of

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him being at the same hotel as.

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Speaker 1: The Oh okay, got it? Got it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, in this case, it was ADF, the Alliance

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Defending Freedom. And I do not think Oliver Stone happened

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to be I think it just he happened to be there.

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But one journalist I know told Oliver Stone that his

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that he was his girlfriend's favorite conspiracy theorist.

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Speaker 1: Something to be proud, notice to be proud of.

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Speaker 2: And then like the next night, as that story might indicate,

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I didn't make the best decisions that night, including failing

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to eat any anything at all. So the next night

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we got to go to jd Vance's Christmas party, which

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was so much fun. I mean, I'm sure they do

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these like every night for different groups of people. It

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was a great group of people. Much of the cabinet

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was there, you know, just like good friends and great food.

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They have like designed there's like a thing happening right

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now that's Ralph Lauren Christmas style. And it was very

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much in Ralph Lauren Christmas style and good food. And

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went to a colleague at Foxes Christmas party and that

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was really really fun. And I'm glad we got out

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of the house for those because, yeah, we had a

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good time.

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Speaker 1: It's good to get out. I hate going out, as

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you know, to anything. On the occasions that I do

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usually prompted by other people in this house and I

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go out, I'm usually happy I did and that I

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got to speak to people. And I did go to

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one Christmas event. I'm not important enough to be invited

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to like jd Vance's Christmas party, And even if I

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was important enough. JD. Van's probably wouldn't invite me or

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whoever invites people. But I'm happy that you went and

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you got to meet and see everyone. It's important for

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the show. Did you mention the show to everyone? The podcast?

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Speaker 2: So at the advance At the vance party, there were

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several senators, and one of them had already told me

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that he listens to our show, but really reiterated it again.

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I didn't have much to say.

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Speaker 1: About it, but you know, I hope I've insulted him.

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Speaker 2: Oh I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, but I have to work on it. So

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now we'll give the email address, which is radio at

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the Federalist dot com. Please do email and we will

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be back next week. Until then,