WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:00.440 Hmm. 2 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:10.960 Welcome Friends podcast podcast John Jacky talking about. 3 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.960 So listen to top. No, you've seen that before. You 4 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:24.000 should probably stop staring before he gets creepy, though too late. 5 00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:25.280 You guys are losers. 6 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:29.000 You did good, but this. 7 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:30.120 Does not mean you're an advenger. 8 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:33.520 Don't mess with me because I want to kill you. 9 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:39.280 Everybody you love Spider Man. No, I'm not. I'm not 10 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:45.520 very terrible. A Secrets to the Huge Bee Surparts Spider 11 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:49.880 Man Homecoming. Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My 12 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:51.520 name is Zaki A sign him here with Brian Hall. 13 00:00:51.679 --> 00:00:52.679 Hey, how's it going, Zachi? 14 00:00:53.560 --> 00:00:56.759 It's going. You know, we got another Marvel movie coming out, 15 00:00:57.240 --> 00:00:59.560 and so this is just another excuse for us to 16 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:03.840 continue you our semi regular journey through the Infinity. 17 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:07.439 Saga mm hmm, and the perfect Marvel movie coming out 18 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:09.640 to coincide with this commentary, right. 19 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:14.719 Yeah, we're watching Spider Man Homecoming. This is a movie that, uh, 20 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:19.599 I've I've seen enough, but it still feels fairly fresh. 21 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:20.959 I don't know if you had that experience on the 22 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:22.280 rewatch totally same. 23 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:24.159 I know I've seen this more than once and that 24 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:28.560 I enjoy it, but it did feel fresh rewatching it 25 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:29.239 last night. 26 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:32.239 And I think, just going back to the point you 27 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:34.760 were making before, I think, as we get get set 28 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.319 up for Spider Man brand new Day coming soon, this 29 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:39.799 is this is a fun, fun one to revisit. 30 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:43.799 No, totally back at the beginning exactly. 31 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:46.359 And and I expect we'll have we'll have a fun 32 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:48.640 discussion as we go through it. If you all want 33 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:52.280 to watch along with us, you certainly can. If not, 34 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:54.439 we'll try to keep the conversation interesting enough. But if 35 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:56.239 you do want to watch with us, the best way 36 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:58.799 to do that, obviously is ad free, and the only 37 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:02.359 way to do that is by subscribing to our Patreon feed, right, Brian. 38 00:02:02.359 --> 00:02:05.120 Yes, it's super easy. Head over to patreon dot com 39 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:08.240 Slash Movie Film Podcast, subscribe from only five dollars a month, 40 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:10.560 and you get ad free versions of our regular show, 41 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.840 all our commentaries, and bonus episodes that drop about twice 42 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:16.520 a month over there. So, yeah, if you want to 43 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:18.960 watch this and not have to have ads or interruptions 44 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.199 butting in, especially if you're trying to follow along the 45 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:23.560 commentary with the movie, head over to patreon dot com 46 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.039 Slash Movie Film Podcast. 47 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:29.439 Well I'm ready, what about you Brian, I'm ready, all right, 48 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:31.080 So we're gonna do the usual thing. We'll hit play 49 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.560 on three. So one, two three play, and this is 50 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:36.439 the one and only cut. It is the theatrical cut 51 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:40.319 of twenty seventeen Spider Man Homecoming. So here we go, 52 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:46.199 one two three play. All right. 53 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.360 You know it's funny we always begin our commentaries saying, 54 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:52.759 you know, this is the one and only cut, or actually, 55 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:54.759 you know we're gonna be watching the theatrical cut because 56 00:02:54.759 --> 00:03:00.719 there's this that's just such a twenty first century really phenomenon, 57 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:03.840 isn't it. Where with the with DVDs, suddenly there were 58 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:08.199 many cuts of Yeah, you had movies like Blade Runner 59 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.639 or something where there were known alternate versions, but it 60 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:15.039 just became almost ubiquitous for every movie coming out to 61 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:16.960 have at least two versions. 62 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:21.360 Yeah, well it's been rated, like yeah, you had the 63 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:26.439 unrated exactly just so they could sell more DVDs. So 64 00:03:26.560 --> 00:03:29.319 as we start here, this is the prologue. Sequence is 65 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:33.319 set in twenty twelve in the aftermath of The Avengers, 66 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:39.199 and I kind of love how we're introduced to our 67 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:43.879 main villain, Adrian Toombs, because damned if this movie doesn't 68 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:45.439 go out of its way to make you kind of 69 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:51.199 be like, I get it, how totally right. There was 70 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.240 a lot of Thanos was right. I'm gonna be like, no, no, 71 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:57.680 the vulture was right, right. 72 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.240 I mean, yeah, you know, he's he's just trying to 73 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:03.199 get by and provide for his family and adapt. Yeah, 74 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:06.800 he doesn't always do the right thing on that path 75 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:10.199 for sure, But you know, I appreciate that. I mean, 76 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:12.680 skipping way ahead to the mid credit sequence, I even 77 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:17.319 appreciated how they portrayed his character in that moment. 78 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:19.680 Mm hm, you know which way we can get to. 79 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:24.279 But well, I mean, big, big props to just having 80 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:27.480 Michael Keaton in this and not wasting him, which has 81 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.560 tended to happen with a lot of MCU villains. 82 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.959 Yeah, that's a good You know that is a common criticism, right, 83 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:38.399 that the villains don't make much of an impression. Yeah, 84 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:40.959 they just have a general plan, don't leave much of 85 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:43.040 a mark, and then they're defeated. But yeah, no, this 86 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:43.879 is a really. 87 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.519 And by the way, there's Logan Marshall green in one 88 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:49.160 of two times this past week we've seen him fighting 89 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:49.839 Tom Holland. 90 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:51.720 Yeah I caught him this time. 91 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:02.639 Yeah, I think that I mean Keaton is just like 92 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:05.879 I mean, obviously you and I will always have a 93 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.519 deep well of affection for him, right, oh yeah, but 94 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:12.800 you know now that he's in his like character actor era, 95 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.279 right yeah, I mean he makes a meal of this 96 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:17.279 performance for sure. 97 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:22.319 Yeah, and you're right, this is so strategic having this 98 00:05:22.439 --> 00:05:24.360 be the way that we're introduced to him. It's not 99 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:27.560 like he's in the middle of arms dealing and then 100 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.720 we get a little you know, he explains his story 101 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:33.319 to someone like we get to actually see it and 102 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:34.639 feel bad for him here. 103 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:35.800 Yeah. 104 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:38.000 Yeah, and so we carry that with us through the 105 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.199 rest of the movie, hopefully. 106 00:05:41.279 --> 00:05:43.160 I do think it's interesting to get an actor like 107 00:05:43.240 --> 00:05:45.519 Tyme Daily in this scene. Yeah. 108 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.560 Wait, so I guess I'm not super familiar with her. 109 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.720 Oh well, gosh, I mean she she's from Cagney and Lacey. 110 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:55.279 Didn't you didn't watch Cagney and Lacy as a kid. 111 00:05:57.560 --> 00:05:58.079 I didn't. 112 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.000 But as I was doing all my research, I saw 113 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:01.839 a lot of things coming up about her, and she 114 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.279 just has the aura of someone where it's like, Okay, 115 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:06.480 that's a special person appearing in this scene. But I 116 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:08.240 wasn't sure who she was. 117 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.680 Well, she is the older sister of Tim Daily. 118 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:14.480 Oh okay, so that's something. 119 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:16.279 But yeah, she's she's a pretty well known actor. She's 120 00:06:16.480 --> 00:06:19.959 she's part of Hollywood royalty because her daughter, her father 121 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:26.000 was James Daily, was you know, quite a quite a presence. 122 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:34.480 What would you know him from, James Daily? Oh wow, 123 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.279 James Daily? Well, well, I know him from from Planet 124 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:41.759 of the Apes. He's the he's the he you know 125 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:45.399 the trial sequence? Oh okay, okay, but not try so. 126 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:47.319 So this right here it says eight years later. That 127 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:53.120 is a mistake. Yeah, yeah, they and they've admitted as much. 128 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.160 They screwed up, right because because the prologue was set 129 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:01.360 twenty twelve, eight years later would be twenty twenty, which 130 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.120 is well after this movie came out, So it's meant 131 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.399 to be four years later because the bulk of the 132 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:07.759 film is set right after Civil War, which is twenty sixteen. 133 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:13.040 So I have a feeling that, you know, this has 134 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:17.040 been my beef with with a lot of MCU movies 135 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:19.240 in general, which is they put dates on everything, and 136 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:20.680 I kind of wish they wouldn't. 137 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:22.839 So it could be any time. I like that in 138 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:24.879 movies when they just say present. 139 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:28.000 Exactly right, or eight years ago, you know, yeah, exactly. 140 00:07:28.319 --> 00:07:30.360 I wish Marvel would would do more of that, but 141 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:34.879 it is what it is. The look of the vulture. 142 00:07:34.959 --> 00:07:38.040 You know. One thing I love is the he's wearing 143 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:42.560 this bomber jacket that with that collar which ends up 144 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:44.240 looking like a vulture collar. You know. 145 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:47.240 Yeah, yeah, it's good clever. 146 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:49.319 Oh. By the way, so here here we have Michael 147 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:54.720 Giacchino putting the old Spider Man nineteen sixties theme music 148 00:07:55.800 --> 00:07:57.360 over the Marvel Studios logo. 149 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:00.199 Yeah, and I mean this does feel like a big 150 00:08:00.279 --> 00:08:04.720 dramatic fanfare here because this was Spider Man. I mean, 151 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:07.519 aside from his brief appearance in Civil War, this was 152 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:11.079 Spider Man finally being brought into the MCU, right, right, 153 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.639 So I'm sure they were anticipating people in the audience 154 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:18.560 would hear this and go, yes, finally, Well, and when 155 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:19.120 you look. 156 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:24.160 At the confluence of events that led to that happening, 157 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:29.439 that itself is so fascinating. Where you had, you know, 158 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:33.279 the Amazing Spider Man reboot films were meant to launch 159 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:39.840 their own cinematic universe, right, and then Spider Amazing Spider 160 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:45.840 Man two in twenty fourteen underperforms relative to their expectations, 161 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:48.360 I would say, because it's still made like a lot 162 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:50.399 of money, like seven or dred million or something, you know, 163 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:52.559 So I think they were just setting too high bar. 164 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.960 But regardless, it underperforms, and so they're concerned. And then 165 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:01.919 there was the Sony hack that y oh yeah in 166 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:05.960 late twenty fourteen, and so all of the internal emails 167 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:09.879 get leaked, including Kevin Feige, like in his notes for 168 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:11.120 Amazing Spider Man two. 169 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:13.480 Wait, so what was that relationship? 170 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:13.679 Like? 171 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:18.039 Was he was that just a friendly sort of hey, 172 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:19.840 take them or leave them sort of thing that he 173 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:22.879 would give on those earlier Spider Man films, or was 174 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:24.559 he involved in them in some way? 175 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:31.240 I think Marvel has or had some degree of sign off, okay, 176 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.360 but clearly not much, right, because otherwise none of like 177 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:37.039 Madam Webb and Craven of these movies would exist if 178 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:40.919 they had veto power, right, So, if I were to guess, 179 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:42.519 I would say it is more like, hey, this is 180 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:44.200 what jumps out at me kind of thing, you know. 181 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:49.519 In addition to that, among those leaks was mentioned of like, oh, 182 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:51.360 you know, maybe we can find a way to share 183 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.799 the character, right, and Sony at the time shot it down. 184 00:09:55.799 --> 00:09:58.240 This is before Amazing Spider Man two came out, and 185 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:02.399 I think what happens is the leak puts this notion 186 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:05.000 out there in the ether as at least something that 187 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:10.960 was talked about internally. And then you've got the Spider 188 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:14.679 Man franchise kind of having, you know, on a back foot, 189 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.639 and so Andrew Garfield gets the call, Hey, sorry, we're 190 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:22.279 not going to need your services anymore. 191 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:24.639 It is a bummer well, and it's so nice. That's 192 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:27.960 what makes I think, even knowing that on a meta 193 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.360 level makes no way home. 194 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:31.360 Such a lovely movie. 195 00:10:31.639 --> 00:10:34.200 Totally agree seeing them all get their moment in the sun. 196 00:10:34.960 --> 00:10:39.279 Yeah, and I mean yeah, by like a spring of 197 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:43.159 twenty fifteen or thereabouts, I think, just yeah, by the 198 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.320 early part of twenty fifteen, it was decided that they'd 199 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:51.480 be incorporating Spider Man into into the MCU, because that 200 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:53.559 was before Age of Ultron came out, and then you 201 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.399 had you had Civil War the following year, and away 202 00:10:56.440 --> 00:10:59.600 we go. So I mean Tom Holland at this point 203 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:03.919 where the years into his tenure, so he has the 204 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:07.480 Spider Man distance record by a wide margin, and I 205 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.360 do I love that that, you know, the initial deal 206 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:15.679 I believe it was a four picture deal, so two 207 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:18.919 no no five pictures, so so Civil War, two Avengers movies, 208 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:23.159 and two Spider Man movies. But the arrangement, like the 209 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:27.840 Sony specifically, was like, we want iron Man in our movie, 210 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:33.279 h right, So these Spider Man films, they are Sony 211 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:39.879 productions that Marvel has a high level of oversight over. 212 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:45.200 Well, and and the initial thinking was that Nick Fury 213 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.000 would be the mentor figure in this, right. I think 214 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:49.799 that makes a lot of sense to bring Tony Stark 215 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:53.360 over because that's like a definitive no, no, this is 216 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:57.200 connected to the Marvel you know, the MCU you know 217 00:11:57.720 --> 00:11:58.320 that's right. 218 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:03.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and I mean Downey, I mean 219 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:05.879 he gets like really just a handful of scenes in this. 220 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:12.360 Movie, yes, and they I think they're effective, right, they don't. 221 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:14.879 Sometimes you see you can tell an actor just shot 222 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:18.279 for a you know, one like eighteen hour period and 223 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.320 then is kind of stuffed into the film. But even 224 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.559 just this, like I think it's because each moment is impactful. Yeah, 225 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:31.440 like this whole thing where he's or Peter like hugs him, yeah, 226 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:32.960 and he's like no, no, no, I'm just reaching to open 227 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:34.840 the door for you. So you can leave, like that's 228 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:36.279 just so memorable. 229 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:41.600 Well, I mean Stark's appearance in this is really it's 230 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.919 like pilot episode syndrome, you. 231 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:46.879 Know, totally yeah, yeah, yeah, like you. 232 00:12:46.840 --> 00:12:50.159 Know where the star shows up for the spinoff pilot. 233 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.799 You know, Downey is in this movie for I'm gonna 234 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:57.039 say like ten minutes tops. Yeah, and he walked away 235 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:01.559 with ten million dollars unbelievable, which, like, that's good work 236 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.080 if you can get it right. Absolutely, And I would 237 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:08.200 say to the extent that that it matters to Sony 238 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:13.559 he earned every cent because just like that, spite that 239 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:17.039 this this iteration of the Spider Man franchise got the 240 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:21.600 validation of being situated directly within the MCU, right And 241 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:26.080 and when you think about sort of the the timing 242 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:28.120 of when the deal happened, right, I don't think this 243 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.279 deal could have happened now because right now the MCU 244 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.600 is a bit of a wounded beast, right, But at 245 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:39.200 this moment they were the the the the big man 246 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:43.360 on campus. Absolutely, and Sony wanted their reflected glory, you know. 247 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:43.879 Hm. 248 00:13:46.639 --> 00:13:48.679 So you see you see Kenneth Choi in the back 249 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:53.279 there as the principal principal Marita and and in Universe 250 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:57.080 he's he. He also appeared in Captain America the First 251 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:01.120 Avenger as Jim Merita, part of the command. So he 252 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.240 plays his own grandson in this film because you actually 253 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:07.399 see a picture of his other character in his office 254 00:14:07.440 --> 00:14:09.039 later in the movie. Yeah, I love that. 255 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.840 I just these Marvel movies are filled with it. But 256 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:19.399 there's just so many easter eggs and just thoughtfulness connecting 257 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:21.879 the films. It's just, you know, you can feel that 258 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:27.279 they're labors of love. Yeah, and made by fans, you know. 259 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:30.120 Yeah. Well, and it's interesting because by virtue of the 260 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:32.919 fact that this is their third go around with Spider Man, 261 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.360 it's like you have to you have to sort of 262 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:38.559 hit certain basses in terms of making it feel like 263 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:41.960 Spider Man, but it also has to be different enough 264 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:43.639 that it feels like its own thing, you know. And 265 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:47.080 so this, you know, I think, I think in terms 266 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:51.080 of characterization, it certainly Tom Holland nails it right. There's 267 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:53.320 a reason he's quite beloved in the role. But I mean, 268 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:58.840 so much of of you know, the iconography of the 269 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:01.519 Sam Raimi film, and you know, the characters, they're the 270 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.399 Daily Bugle, like we never see that, and you know, 271 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:07.960 even the Garfield version, like it's just each of them 272 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:11.639 did their own thing, and that becomes much clear, especially 273 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:12.519 on rewatch, you know. 274 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:16.919 Yeah, and I was reading that when they were developing this, 275 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:18.840 and you know, the first set of right. 276 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:21.159 But real quick, I kind of this whole where he 277 00:15:21.320 --> 00:15:23.279 right away he's able to answer this question about the 278 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:27.440 parabolic whatever. It's like, well, yeah, because he'd constantly calculating 279 00:15:27.519 --> 00:15:30.080 like web swinging angles and things like that. 280 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.120 Right, yeah, Oh that's yeah, that's good. 281 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:35.000 I like you would know that. Yeah anyway, sorry. 282 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.240 Go ahead, No, just when yeah, the first sets of 283 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.799 writers came in, that was their pitch was, let's take 284 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.559 this out of the city. Let's see him in different locations. 285 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.080 Let's see him in the suburbs. Let's see him in 286 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:49.879 high school, you know, dealing with like a different kind 287 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:51.639 of flash, you know, sort of. 288 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:55.399 Like a rich jerk versus like yeah, that's right, you know, yeah, yeah, 289 00:15:55.480 --> 00:15:59.919 choc type Tony Revelori, very very different flash Thompson then 290 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:01.240 than Joe Mane Janello. 291 00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:04.639 Yeah, right exactly. But like I remember that from the 292 00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:06.840 first time I saw this, when he was djaing that party. 293 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.480 He's like, when I say Penis you say, Parker Like 294 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:11.840 that cracked me up. And that feels very high school. 295 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.200 This feels like a high school movie, which I know 296 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:18.039 is intentional they wanted to model this after John Hughes movies, 297 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:22.120 but I think that's a great uh, you know, take 298 00:16:22.759 --> 00:16:23.879 to differentiate it. 299 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:27.759 Well, you have actual kids in the high school, which 300 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.000 is nice. I love the little beat coming up here 301 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.159 where he's like, what did I tell you about using 302 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:34.120 the bell for comedic purposes? Yeah? 303 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.440 Yeah, I was thinking that too, because sometimes I can 304 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:41.679 be a little you know, have feelings about some of 305 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.759 the Marvel movies humor. And it's not that they're it's 306 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.399 not funny, it's just that they did it. And I 307 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:49.519 feel like that they just kind of keep repeating a 308 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.639 certain sort of tone, right, And what I like about 309 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:54.519 this one is I feel like it has its own 310 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.399 tone that. Yeah, the humor in this feels a little 311 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:02.960 different and yeah, youthful and fun and the jokes like 312 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:03.960 that made me laugh. 313 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:10.319 Hm hmm. I think that what really helps is is 314 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.160 Tom Holland has a very different energy than both Toby 315 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.880 McGuire and Andrew Garfield. Yeah. 316 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.960 Well, and he's he's nineteen here, whereas Toby McGuire was 317 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.640 twenty five in the first movie, Andrew Garfield was twenty 318 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:24.920 six and his Yeah, so so it. 319 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:28.039 Was certainly with with Garfield that was an odd choice 320 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:31.880 to make Peter a high schooler. M hmm, you know 321 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:33.319 what I mean, Like, if you're gonna mix it, I mean, 322 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:34.880 this is I mean this this is just a broader 323 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:40.160 thought about the franchise. But remember when when the Sam 324 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.319 Raimi Spider Man four fell apart, immediately they you know, 325 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:45.519 they hit break glass in case of emergency and pulled 326 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:49.240 a reboot script out the drawer, as opposed to just 327 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:51.359 being like, all right, well, let's just have somebody else 328 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.759 come in and just pick up, like you know what 329 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.359 I mean, Like the notion of we got to start 330 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.960 over and I you know, this is this is pre 331 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:05.359 Dark Knight Rises, where that sort of became the thing. 332 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:08.519 Mm hmm. You know what I mean, because after Dark 333 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:10.720 Knight Rises, suddenly being like oh, everybody comes in, they 334 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:12.680 do their thing, and then it ends and starts off 335 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:15.319 with Spider Man, like there was no need to reboot 336 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:18.559 it right right, they could have just just picked up 337 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.000 but whatever. I think that ended up working out because 338 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:23.160 Spider Man no way home is a much richer experience 339 00:18:23.160 --> 00:18:28.039 as a result, right, totally. But yeah, with Tom Holland, 340 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:29.559 by the way he was making I think it was 341 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:35.000 oh shoot, he was making a movie with John Burenthal, Okay, 342 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.440 and yeah, they both they helped each other with their 343 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:40.440 respective Marvel audition tapes. 344 00:18:41.359 --> 00:18:44.000 Oh I've heard this story. Yeah I love that. 345 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:50.759 Yeah, you know, and and little realizing like they were 346 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.079 they were committing to these roles that were going to 347 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:54.519 really define them, you know. 348 00:18:54.880 --> 00:19:00.079 Yeah, yeah, and reunite in well twice this month in 349 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:02.480 July twenty twenty six, right in the Odyssey and also 350 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:06.519 in the New Spider Man movie. How funny, amazing. 351 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:09.119 It's uh. I guess the. 352 00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:12.599 First time I ever saw Holland was probably the impossible. 353 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:15.519 Uh oh wow, Okay, yeah, I had. 354 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:17.519 Twenty twelve Nammy wats you and McGregor. 355 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:21.440 He's just a little kid in that. 356 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:24.039 Yes, that's the thing, right, So that was only five 357 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:24.799 years earlier. 358 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:29.000 But yeah, I mean what you were talking about with. 359 00:19:28.960 --> 00:19:32.960 The high school scenes where they have actual teenagers playing 360 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.039 the kids, I just feel like that is it goes 361 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:38.920 such a long way, Like they they have these funny, youthful, 362 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:42.240 just even mannerisms right, you know what I mean, Like 363 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:43.880 when you get older, you become a little like a 364 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:47.680 little less quirky, and you know, like they have these fun, 365 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.400 giddy jerky movements and reactions to one another, and it 366 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:54.799 just makes it feel genuinely youthful, rather than seeing twenty 367 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:58.160 year olds pretending to be high schoolers and just wearing 368 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:02.799 you know, collared tucked in polo shirts and be like, gee, 369 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:04.960 you know, like it doesn't feel as authentic like here. 370 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.440 It just it feels like really authentic the youthfuls of 371 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:08.519 this movie. 372 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:10.039 Oh, by the way, I wanted to mention real quick, 373 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:13.240 the guy who tells Spider Man do the flip. We 374 00:20:13.319 --> 00:20:16.319 also see him that actor in Shang Chi. He's the 375 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:20.480 guy filming on the bus. Oh yeah, Zach Cherry, right, 376 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:23.480 I think that's the actor's name. Yeah, yeah, he's in 377 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:28.160 a severance. Yes, that's right, he's in Severance. So same kid. 378 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.240 It's funny because you have all these these MC connections. Also, 379 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:35.480 you know Martin Starr as the teacher. We see Martin 380 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:40.039 Starr in The Incredible Hulk as like a grad student 381 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:45.039 who who helps out Bruce Banner. And I believe Kevin 382 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.200 Fike he's like yeah, same guy, you know. Oh okay, 383 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:50.680 I like it, But I like that. 384 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:54.400 I like this montage here too, where it's not him 385 00:20:54.920 --> 00:21:01.359 doing these big you know, stopping just like bank robberies 386 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:05.640 or you know, arms dealing stuff. Yet this is him 387 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:08.319 just wandering around New York and someone just be like, oh, 388 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:12.160 hey's Spider Man do a flip? Yeah, like that's that's 389 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:13.359 his position right now. 390 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.880 I like that. That's right. He's just a friendly neighborhood 391 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:20.759 spider Man. One might exactly exactly just looking at at 392 00:21:20.839 --> 00:21:24.039 their filmography. So the movie, the first movie that Tom 393 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:28.799 Holland and John Berthenhall did together was Pilgrimage, okay, which 394 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:31.039 came out in twenty seventeen, but they were filming it 395 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:33.680 in April of twenty fifteen, so that seemed would seem 396 00:21:33.680 --> 00:21:41.000 to coincide with yeah, when they'd be doing their their auditions. Yeah. 397 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:43.759 Well, and we should mention that I guess the character 398 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:45.920 Peter is supposed to be fifteen in this movie, which 399 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:48.000 I was actually a little surprised, I mean, just because 400 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.640 Holland looks a little older. But yeah, fifteen, which I like. 401 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:54.119 I like the I like again going to the giddiness. 402 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:55.880 I love the little detail when he's in the bodega 403 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:58.039 and he's just like, yeah, you know what number five, 404 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:00.480 make sure you squish it down real flat, Like it 405 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.319 just founds. It sounds like a kid order of as Sanders, 406 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:06.200 doesn't it. Those little nuances. 407 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.319 I kind of like that, you know, by virtue of 408 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:13.759 the fact that this version of Spider Man exists in 409 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:18.440 a world with other superheroes, really does contextualize like where 410 00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.599 he sits in the pecking order, right sure, and the 411 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.039 same thing that people love. Oh by the way, I 412 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:27.400 like in this scene where he's like, hult thor, nice 413 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:29.319 to meet you, because they were the ones who weren't 414 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:30.200 in Civil War, so. 415 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.000 Right, right, we get this little point break thing here 416 00:22:33.079 --> 00:22:35.960 where these people robbing an atm are wearing set of 417 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:38.960 President masks. They're wearing Avengers masks exactly. 418 00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:43.079 But you know what we love about Spider Man is 419 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:46.240 he is just a regular guy who's doing the best 420 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:50.079 he can. Right. But that's what he would feel insecure about, yes, 421 00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:53.519 and that's something distinct, right, Like that's something that the 422 00:22:53.559 --> 00:22:58.039 prior versions would not have been able to contrast as much, 423 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:01.640 you know, because yeah, and as far as we know, 424 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:03.720 it's just it's just Spider Man in those worlds, you know. 425 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:08.599 Yeah, you know it's interesting by the way, this works 426 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:12.680 really well. I like, you know how personal this feels. 427 00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:15.440 The guy that he sees every day, he knows really well. 428 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:20.000 He just inadvertently, yeah, you know, getting involved in this situation. 429 00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.960 The situation destroyed that guy's bodega, and he feels bad 430 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:35.480 about that. I lost what train of thought. So oh oh, 431 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:39.160 I was gonna say a lot of times when you 432 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:41.960 make a movie like this, people get upset. I know 433 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.640 this is a very old example, but it's the first 434 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:45.680 thing that came to mind. Where you have Batman eighty 435 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:47.839 nine and people get upset that it's the Joker who 436 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:51.200 killed Bruce Wayne's parents. But that's not that's not the lore, 437 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:54.160 that's not the cannon. Yeah, And it's interesting because this 438 00:23:54.279 --> 00:23:56.880 is a very different take on Spider Man, right like this, 439 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:00.400 he's got all these advantages right off the back because 440 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:02.920 he knows Tony Stark. Yeah, you know, he's got this 441 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:06.880 crazy suit in his first solo film. So it's just 442 00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:11.920 interesting to me that sometimes people reject those sorts of things, 443 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:12.920 and sometimes they're. 444 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:17.519 Like, yeah, that works right well. And certainly, you know 445 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:20.559 what with all the little googas and whatnot that have 446 00:24:20.599 --> 00:24:23.400 been added to his suit here. I mean, it feels 447 00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:25.920 like that's something Sony really went to town with with 448 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:27.480 the with the PlayStation games. 449 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:29.960 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I was thinking about the 450 00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:33.920 games as I was watching this. Yeah, because the games 451 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.000 just make you really feel like, what if it was 452 00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:40.160 you could live this movie. What if you could swim 453 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:43.720 around New York and break up muggings and things? Oh, 454 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:45.799 it's so much fun. Some of my favorite games. 455 00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:48.400 Now, this is very funny to me, this sequence here, 456 00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:51.920 especially because earlier in the film, when Ned is saying, hey, man, 457 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:54.680 I'm gonna be coming over tonight, Peter is blissing out 458 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:58.440 looking at Liz. Oh he like, did not hear him 459 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:00.880 say he's gonna be there? I didn't catch that. 460 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:04.440 That's fun, which, by the way, is by the why 461 00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:09.759 sounded like, Hey hey, Mike. The at at walker in 462 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:13.839 the background on his shelf reminds me of Civil War 463 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:17.039 where he was he referenced Empire strikes back for bringing 464 00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:18.160 down Ant Man. 465 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:19.680 I think right when he's huge. 466 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:28.160 Even the lego death Star thing is just a cute, 467 00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:30.960 you know, thing for these guys to share and make 468 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:31.680 them feel like fun. 469 00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:32.839 High school buds, I feel. 470 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:34.480 Yeah. 471 00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:36.960 Well, yeah, so I wanted to mention the character of Ned, 472 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.359 which is very interesting because because Ned Leads in the 473 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:43.519 comic books is somebody who Peter works with at the 474 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:48.720 Daily Bugle. Oh okay, right, and he is who Betty 475 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:53.559 Brandt and marrying Oh all right, And for a while 476 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:57.480 there he was the secret identity of the Hobgoblin, although 477 00:25:57.480 --> 00:26:01.319 they ret conned that. Okay, whereas this this, I mean 478 00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:05.400 that they they attached the name Ned leads to really 479 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:08.839 what feels like Miles Morales's best friend, who's who's kinda 480 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.279 he's a heavier set Filipino guy, yanky and so get ganky. 481 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:18.119 That's right, So they just gave him that friend, but 482 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:19.559 with a different name. Yeah. 483 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:21.920 Interesting, Okay, Yeah. 484 00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:24.519 But I mean we're we're like, we're nine years deep 485 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:25.880 into this and I don't know about you, but I'm like. 486 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:31.400 Well you gotta have Ned. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Their little trio, 487 00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:35.440 you know, MJ. Ned and Peter is just so endearing 488 00:26:35.480 --> 00:26:39.880 and lovable. Yeah, I mean that the ending of No 489 00:26:39.960 --> 00:26:42.839 Way Home like breaks my heart. I know, that's how 490 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:43.960 endeared I am tall of them. 491 00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:46.559 Yeah, I know, really works, you know, And as we 492 00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.279 record this. Neither you or I have seen the fourth one, 493 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:50.640 but you know, it's kind of like, well, are they 494 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.160 gonna how are they gonna get the band back together? 495 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:55.039 And I know, I know, I know in a way 496 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:58.799 that feels satisfying, and that's that's just undo the feelings. 497 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.480 It's still authentic to the one that came before. Yeah, 498 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:03.720 I love that. It's like this is starking trip. 499 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:08.759 He's like, oh, he's so good. 500 00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:13.279 I love the runner about how everyone is hitting on 501 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.279 Aunt May in some way. I know, I know, it's 502 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:17.400 so funny. 503 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:24.119 Yeah, she's good, she's good's she feels like the cool ant. 504 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.079 Yeah, you know what I mean. Well, and I think 505 00:27:28.160 --> 00:27:32.400 they do the work across her appearances to make it 506 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:36.240 meaningful when when she dies in the third film, Yes, totally, 507 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:39.160 you know, which is really the key thing. Yeah, she 508 00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.799 feels like a different take, but a take that fits 509 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.000 this version, that's right. Yeah. 510 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.599 Yeah. 511 00:27:49.319 --> 00:27:52.559 So this this film came out in twenty seventeen. It 512 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:55.720 was one of three MCU films that year. 513 00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:58.920 Oh wow, Okay, so this was. 514 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:02.799 Like a the middle of July, I think, and you 515 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:06.200 had earlier in the he had in May was Guardians 516 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:07.599 of the Galaxy volume two. 517 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:09.400 Oh okay, okay. 518 00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:11.480 A few months later was thora aggronk. 519 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:17.440 That's funny. But like I said, they're all I know 520 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.559 them all, but I can't think of them where they 521 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.400 landed in time. So that's interesting. That's what was coming 522 00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:22.960 out this year. 523 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.160 Yeah, and I mean we were in the lead up 524 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.720 to Infinity War, right. 525 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:35.400 Wow, excuse me. You know, it's funny because when you 526 00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:41.039 have the funny friend character, the sidekick, and they're very 527 00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:44.440 excited about, you know, whatever it is their friend gets 528 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:48.039 to do, and they're always asking questions and pestering, it 529 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.799 could get annoying, you know, but I feel like they 530 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.160 do a great job of making ned feel like I'd 531 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.839 be friends with this guy, like you know, and you 532 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:58.960 buy their friendships and his excitement feels very genuine. Maybe 533 00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:02.359 that's the trick too, Is cas someone young again, so 534 00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.599 the youthfulness feels authentic and not sort of like an 535 00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.720 older person trying to be like I don't know. 536 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:13.039 Yeah, no, that's a good, good observation. And and I 537 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:23.400 you know, we saw Jacob bad Loan just mean something recently, right, Yes, 538 00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.720 he was in he was in God damn it, what's that? 539 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.240 What's the Novaca. He was a Novacan. 540 00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:36.599 Oh yeah wow, yeah right, man, that was a fun time. 541 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.240 But it definitely went in one ear and out the other. 542 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.039 That's that type of movie, you know. Yeah, but Jacob 543 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.960 bad loan Is was like twenty at the time this 544 00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:49.319 movie was made, and so he does embody a certain 545 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.559 youthful energy, you know. Yeah, yeah, even though he's older 546 00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:53.720 than Tom Holland. 547 00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:54.720 Yeah. 548 00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:57.079 I also wanted to mention Hannibal Burrs Man. I love 549 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.279 him in this Oh so hilarious. I love him. They're 550 00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:04.119 playing the videos of Captain America and he's like, I 551 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:05.759 think this guy is a war criminal now, but whatever, 552 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:08.200 We're going to watch this video right right. 553 00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:11.640 Did you hear that story where apparently he paid a 554 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:16.279 lookalike to attend the premiere of this movie Annibal Burist It, Yeah, 555 00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:20.200 and people like didn't catch on and like me, why 556 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:20.759 did he do that? 557 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:21.759 Though? I don't know. 558 00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.839 I mean, he's a comedian, so maybe he just thought 559 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.359 it was funny or I don't know, but anyway, that yeah, 560 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:28.759 the look like apparently gave interviews, took. 561 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.279 Pictures with people. That is hilarious. 562 00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:40.039 Yeah, this is so great, right because this really gets 563 00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:43.839 to something fundamental about the high school experience when you're 564 00:30:43.960 --> 00:30:47.200 not at the top of the pecking order. 565 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:53.480 There's always that like if she knew this amazing secret 566 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.680 about me, right, right, Like there's something so relatable to. 567 00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:02.720 That totally yeah, right, yeah, And you don't communicate the 568 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:04.799 way that you do when you're older, so it's like, right, 569 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:06.480 it's ten times more difficult. 570 00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:13.440 Yeah. Like I think this movie hits on it a lot, 571 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:18.400 right like that that it's and it's very superhero trophy, right, Oh, 572 00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:20.319 I got a date with this girl, but oh I 573 00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:24.599 got to do my superhero thing, right, And and you know, 574 00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:27.799 by virtue of the fact that the MCU has largely 575 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.839 ignored secret identities, we really only get it with Spider Man. No, 576 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.799 that's a good point, right, I mean the scene at 577 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:41.039 the end, you know, when he goes into the homecoming dance, 578 00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.559 I mean it breaks your heart. 579 00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.920 Oh yeah. The the third act of this movie is 580 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.839 just so good, you know, going back to what we 581 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:53.279 were saying at the change of scenery, squarely putting this 582 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.200 and making this a high school story, having the scene 583 00:31:57.240 --> 00:32:00.880 take place during gym class while they're all wearing uniforms. 584 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.160 Some people doing well, some people struggling with push ups. 585 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:08.599 It just feels so high school. And then, like you said, 586 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.880 it's such a trope like, oh, like you could in Batman, 587 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:13.640 you know where it's like, oh, yeah, sure, I know Batman. 588 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:14.839 Do you want to meet him? You know, to like 589 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.400 the love interest or something. We've seen that in a 590 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.880 lot of movies. But here it doesn't even feel like 591 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:21.960 a superhero concept to me. It feels like a high 592 00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.599 school concept like, oh, yeah, like I could do this 593 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:27.759 impressive thing tonight if that means you talk to me 594 00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:30.920 at a party, right, It's. 595 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.799 Yeah, it was. 596 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:36.079 It was a really brilliant idea to do that and 597 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.119 make this feel very very high school and charming and sweet. 598 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.079 Yeah, I mean I think it just works in that way, 599 00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:48.640 you know. Yeah. Also, you know, this was very much 600 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:54.680 a part of the thinking early on was in order 601 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.799 to differentiate this from the prior films. Number one, we 602 00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:59.759 weren't going to do the Origin again because I think 603 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:05.039 people figured out Uncle Ben dies a lot, right. And then, 604 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.160 as as you said earlier, put put Spidey in the 605 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.000 suburbs and see what happens, you know, right when he 606 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.119 doesn't when he doesn't have you know, high rises to 607 00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:16.079 swing from. 608 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.000 Yeah, I did get that that thing that giddy tingle 609 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.839 because I love fantasy in the suburbs and seeing him 610 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.319 have to run through people's backyards, like not having trees 611 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.039 he can swing from. I was like, I love this, 612 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:29.880 it's so different. 613 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.480 Yeah, and and you know that definitely highlights like, yeah, 614 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:40.240 Spider Man really works best within a specific geographic situation. Yeah, 615 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:41.519 he needs skyscrapers. 616 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.119 And you know, I gotta say it was really sweet, 617 00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:49.480 knowing what we know now seeing him and Zendaean scenes together. 618 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:53.799 That's true, Like that's your wife, bro. Wow, Yeah, that's 619 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.559 really true. You guys are meeting each other. It's so cute. Well, 620 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.119 and and what's what's kind of fun, especially in this 621 00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:03.079 one with regards to to a zende as MJ, is 622 00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.039 that she is very tertiary. 623 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:09.360 Yeah, I'd kind of forgotten in the first. 624 00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:12.000 Right because it really is about Peter being in love 625 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.480 with Liz. Now do you think they did that well? 626 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.519 I imagine to differentiate maybe a little bit, but also 627 00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:20.800 because if they wanted to have this big twist that 628 00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:24.039 they have at the end, that'd be like a really 629 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:26.840 big thing that MJ would be caring for all the movies. 630 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:33.519 Yeah, although I mean I feel like, like yes to 631 00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:35.559 why they did it the way they did. But I 632 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.960 feel I feel, I feel like I knew going in 633 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.159 that she was mj mm hmm. So I mean I 634 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.440 wouldn't you know that would have been out there in 635 00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:44.239 the world. 636 00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:46.320 Right, because they even change their name, right, it's it's 637 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:47.599 Michelle something. 638 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:55.639 Michelle Jones mj Yeah. Because yeah, see that's great, that's hilarious. Yeah, 639 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:58.880 a golf court spider Man shoot his web, he's got 640 00:34:58.880 --> 00:34:59.199 to run. 641 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.960 Yeah, yeah. 642 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.920 Well, and we even get the John Hughes homage here 643 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.480 when he's going through the backyards and we see people 644 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:11.239 watching that scene from Day Off where he's running through 645 00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:11.880 the backyards. 646 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:16.639 So the costume or not even the costume, but the 647 00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:19.320 clothes that Logan Marshall Green is wearing here as the 648 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.400 original Shocker, I mean, that's pretty much what the Shocker 649 00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:27.119 wears in the comic books. Oh funny, it's a little 650 00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:29.320 more super villain looking in the books, obviously, but yeah, 651 00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:33.280 uh huh, that's the gist of it. I'm just looking 652 00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:37.239 at it now. Well, Donald Glover here, So Donald Glover 653 00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:42.480 playing Uncle Aaron from the Spider Verse films. 654 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:46.039 When did Community stop airing? 655 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:51.760 When did Community stop. Oh gosh, probably twenty fifteen. Okay, 656 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.880 so a couple of years before this, yeah, well started 657 00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:56.760 in twenty oh nine. Yep. 658 00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:00.639 Yeah, so this was his childish gambing era. 659 00:36:01.239 --> 00:36:04.400 That's right. If you remember in the second Spider Verse 660 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.320 movie we see live action Donald Glover as the Prowler. 661 00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.159 Yeah, that's right, I remember that. 662 00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:12.000 Yeah. 663 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:13.960 We've been big fans of his for a long time, 664 00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:14.679 so it was fun to see. 665 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.159 How I know, we we got on that train way early. 666 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:21.159 I'm very like, well before community even Yeah. 667 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:27.480 Yeah, when he was part of Derek Comedy m Yeah. 668 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.840 Look up Jerry Poops's pants on YouTube. Folks. You will 669 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:34.480 laugh and you are either with us or against us. 670 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:39.840 That's a firm line in the sand I do. I 671 00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:41.719 do like the moment that we just had, and we 672 00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:45.079 come back to it later where Spider Man jumps in 673 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:46.559 and he's like, you want to shoot it? Somebody shoot 674 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.519 at me? Mm hmm, And of course that ends up, 675 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:53.639 you know, being something that that the Glover character responds to, 676 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:58.559 you know, yeah, propos of nothing looking at bokem woodbun. 677 00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.719 I'm just remembering back when I was in I was 678 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.960 going to Columbia. Uh, there was one guy who used 679 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:12.400 to call me zachiem Woodbine really and I found it amusing. Yeah, 680 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.599 Zaki Woodbine, it's weird the stuff. 681 00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:23.039 Yeah, yeah, I love that. I was just thinking, I mean, 682 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.719 we're seeing them shoot these, you know, weapons made of 683 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:29.719 alien tech, but we're seeing it down a suburban street. Yeah, 684 00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.679 that's just so my jam. 685 00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.719 I just love it. And like I said, they're smart 686 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.639 enough to know exactly who they're ripping off, so it 687 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.559 just goes from ripoff to homage by virtue of showing 688 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:45.239 the clip. Yeah, right here we see the fairest clip. 689 00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.679 Oh it's it's an homage, gotcha. Yeah. 690 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:55.960 Yeah, great movie exactly and apparently, Yeah, the director had 691 00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:59.159 the actors do like a John Hughes marathon just to 692 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:01.559 sort of immerse themselves and get the tone. 693 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.320 Yeah. I remember, you know, one of the photo sets 694 00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.400 was like a breakfast club style. You know, everybody hmmm, 695 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:12.519 posed in that way so they knew what they were doing. 696 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:14.239 Yeah. 697 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.639 I do feel like I mean, John Watts, who did 698 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.760 all three of these, I feel like he doesn't get 699 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:24.639 talked about very much as being a creative force. You know. 700 00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:30.199 It's interesting and because these movies are really beloved within 701 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.679 a series that is beloved, right, So, yeah, that's that's 702 00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:34.159 a good point. 703 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:39.039 Like like when we talk about the Avengers films, you say, oh, 704 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.199 Joss Whedon or oh the Russo's you know, m hm, 705 00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.719 you know, and even James Gunn gets rightly pegged as 706 00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.480 you know, one of the key drivers of the Guardians films. Right. 707 00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:51.760 But but it's weird how I mean, I think John 708 00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:54.400 Watts did a very solid job with all three of these, 709 00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:58.440 but I don't know that people attribute him with any 710 00:38:58.519 --> 00:38:59.920 kind of an authorial stamp on it. 711 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:05.280 Know, Yeah, that's so interesting. Yeah, I forgot I'm seeing 712 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.719 here that he I guess he directed a couple episodes 713 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.519 of Skeleton Crew, the Star. 714 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:11.840 Wars, he co created that show man. 715 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:16.960 Yeah, and he did Wolf's that George Clooney Brad Pitt, Right. 716 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:22.039 I forgot about that me too, Yeah, that famously expensive movie. Right. 717 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:24.039 Yeah. 718 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:29.440 Interesting anyway, See, so when we talk about Downy's role, 719 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.679 I mean it really like, you know, what we see 720 00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:33.440 when we find out that this is just a remote 721 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:35.760 control suit and we just see we see Tony Stark 722 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:37.679 is at like an Indian wedding or something. I mean, 723 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:39.760 it really is like, oh, let's just point a GoPro 724 00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.079 at Downy in the middle of whatever he's doing right right, 725 00:39:45.960 --> 00:39:48.920 it was probably an actual wedding he was attending, you know, I. 726 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:51.920 Was gonna say, but it did surprise me when we 727 00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.119 saw that, because I thought, oh, wow, there's like actual 728 00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:58.199 actors here in a set and costumes, whereas post COVID 729 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.639 it feels like now we conditioned to see people on 730 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:03.960 screen so much that I feel like movies take advantage 731 00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:06.159 of that where it's like, oh, it's just a phone call. 732 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:08.159 It's like a zoom call that you can tell the 733 00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:12.840 actors probably in their real house from their laptop. Yeah, 734 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:14.400 they didn't even need to bring them to set. 735 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.760 Yeah, well, you know. Unfortunately, there's there's a scene later 736 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:21.039 in the film between between Stark and Peter that definitely 737 00:40:21.039 --> 00:40:25.079 gives that vibe. Yeah, which I mean, we'll talk about 738 00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:28.039 when we get there. But but again, it I think 739 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:31.800 I think Stark's role in this film is very interesting 740 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:36.760 because like a lot of the problems Peter is experiencing 741 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:42.119 could have been avoided with like just one text from 742 00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:46.199 Tony or happy sure, right, because Tony says, like you've 743 00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:47.880 been getting all your texts. It's like, well, don't be 744 00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:52.199 a dick then right, right, right? You know, uh, you 745 00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:54.400 know when we get to like the big Staten Island 746 00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:56.880 very sequence, that's that was the thought that comes to 747 00:40:56.920 --> 00:40:57.480 mind for me. 748 00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.960 Yeah, I I I didn't know if it was just me, 749 00:41:01.079 --> 00:41:03.280 but sometimes it does bum me out seeing Happy be 750 00:41:03.360 --> 00:41:05.280 so like rude to him because I'm like, well, you're 751 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:06.280 like an adult in his. 752 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:09.119 Life, like, yeah, you should try it at least. 753 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.360 He could be getting on your nerves. But it just 754 00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:14.639 feels mean to be so dismissive to it such a 755 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:15.199 young person. 756 00:41:18.519 --> 00:41:22.280 But when you think about it, right, Happy is like 757 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:26.400 the older brother total and right. It's and it's like 758 00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:28.239 they both want attention from dad. 759 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:34.239 Right, yeah, that's well put Yeah you know, yeah, I 760 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.280 feel so bad it was earlier but we see this 761 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.480 shot of Ned waiting for Peter Spider Man to show up, 762 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:42.440 and we see this shot of him from a distance 763 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:45.880 alone in this party, wearing the fedora that he said 764 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.360 he wears to give himself confidence. 765 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.079 I'm like, oh, yeah, poor kid. I love the way 766 00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:51.440 he says that. 767 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.199 Though to aunt May, she's like, oh wow, you really 768 00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:56.360 wear that hat. He's like, thanks, it gives me confidence. 769 00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.440 So sweet. 770 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:05.920 Speaking of and I mean, you know, sometimes these movies 771 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.599 can lean into sort of a snarky humor or the 772 00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:10.400 you know, adults, just for the sake of making the 773 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.280 audience laugh, we'll say something snarky to a kid. 774 00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:12.920 I liked. 775 00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.119 I was expecting aunt May to make fun of the 776 00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.000 Fedora and be like, you know what, maybe not or 777 00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:19.880 something like that for the benefit of a laugh, and 778 00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:22.000 I liked that instead she encouraged him. 779 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.159 It surprised me. That's such a great observation. Wow, I 780 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.519 didn't even think about that. So I liked that for 781 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.000 the movie, and I liked that for the character. Yeah, 782 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:33.599 well yeah, I mean it. And it gives you a 783 00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:35.920 sense of why Peter is just a decent kid because 784 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:37.880 he was he was raised, right, that's a good point. 785 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:44.880 Yeah, Oh, Michael Keaton, But did you read by the 786 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:49.280 way that they courted John Leguizamo for this role. 787 00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.920 For the culture fascinating? 788 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.960 So basically Keaton originally turned it down, I think to 789 00:42:56.960 --> 00:43:02.280 do the founder, okay, and so I don't know or 790 00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:06.559 something like that, or but basically they brought in John Leguizamo. 791 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.199 But quoting leg Guazamo himself, he says, I was used 792 00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:14.079 as a pawn to close Keaton. Wow, yeah, he's like, 793 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.360 but I should have said no because we had agreed 794 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.519 to terms and I had a leg to sue. But 795 00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:23.880 I'm he said, I ain't litigious, which kind of reminds 796 00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.639 you of what they did to Robin Williams. Yeah, right 797 00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:27.920 with the Batman series. 798 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.280 Well, see, this is a tough one because it sounds 799 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.119 like like Ozama got screwed. But also I have a 800 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:37.320 hard time seeing him in this role doing what Michael 801 00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:38.119 Keaton does. 802 00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:43.719 For sure, for sure, and also lin Manuel Miranda. They 803 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.679 were looking at him for Vulture too, so it's like 804 00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.039 you can see these sort of different ideas they had. Wow, 805 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.880 I think they were thinking about the dad part of it, maybe, yeah, yeah, 806 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.440 whereas Keaton is great because you do get the dad thing, 807 00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:58.159 but you also get that slight sort of edginess you 808 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.599 know that he can exude, which but anyway, reading that 809 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.639 made me happy for like Wasamo and what he's experiencing 810 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.480 right now with the Odyssey, where everybody's yeah, how great 811 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:11.159 he is. He's getting to do a role that feels 812 00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:12.159 different than anything he's done. 813 00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:14.840 So yeah. 814 00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.119 Yeah, and by the way, I was surprised to see 815 00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:18.960 that he's sixty five years old. 816 00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:20.119 Good lord. 817 00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:24.280 I was like, no, he seems like a wow middish 818 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.079 early fifties. 819 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:27.280 But real quick, I want to mention Logan Marshall Greenon 820 00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.360 before he existedly that guy I talk about resting douchebag face. 821 00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:34.559 Like he's good at playing that, just to be clear, 822 00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:36.239 you know, but like it doesn't matter who he's playing with, 823 00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.400 a good guy, bad guy. It's just he's got this 824 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:43.440 certain vibe. Yeah, you know, yeah, I do like that. 825 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.039 That was that was an accident. He didn't intend to 826 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:46.719 kill the guy. 827 00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:48.960 That's very funny to me, I know. 828 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.199 And and then later it sounds like he would be 829 00:44:52.199 --> 00:44:55.599 willing to do that. But it does help his character, 830 00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:57.280 like we were saying at the beginning, where he's not 831 00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:01.719 like an out and out mustache evil guy, but he's 832 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:02.960 willing to do what he has to do. 833 00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.280 It's getting easier and easier for him, exactly exactly. So 834 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:06.760 I liked it. 835 00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:08.679 That wasn't like I'm going to use this thing to 836 00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:16.920 disintegrate him. It was kind of an accident. Yeah, yeah, 837 00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:18.320 did you have shop class? 838 00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:20.639 By the way, did I take shop class? I took. 839 00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:22.400 I was It's funny that you say that As I 840 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.519 was watching this scene, I was thinking back. I was like, 841 00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:31.039 I took one quarter of shop class in junior high, 842 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:34.840 so not even high school. And when I think back 843 00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.320 on that, and I'm like, man, that's really unsafe, like 844 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:42.800 just all of it, like letting kids loose with wood 845 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.519 saws and whatnot. It's unbelievable. 846 00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:48.280 I mean, I couldn't imagine being a shop teacher because yeah, 847 00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:51.400 like you said, it wasn't high school, it was junior high. Yeah, 848 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:54.519 and they had us using bandsaws and oh it was 849 00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:57.119 just crazy. Although I loved it and I did get 850 00:45:57.119 --> 00:45:58.199 to make some pretty cool stuff. 851 00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:01.480 I mean, the fact that this teacher is just like 852 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:04.719 completely checked out, I'm like, man, you are you were 853 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.199 waiting to be a plaintiff in various lawsuits, you know, 854 00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:09.400 or a defendant? Excuse me? 855 00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:11.599 Yeah now our guy, I guy, I remember. It was 856 00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:13.840 pretty cool, and I did get injured. Actually I have 857 00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:15.599 a scar that you can still see on my pinky. 858 00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:16.519 Really. 859 00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.760 Yeah, I was cutting something on is it a jigsaw, 860 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.760 the thing with the blade that goes vertical. But the blade, 861 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:25.559 I don't know if I push it too fast or whatever, 862 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.000 but it it didn't cut through smoothly, and so it 863 00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.000 made the board, get caught on the blade and going 864 00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:32.920 ding ding ding ding ding, like up and down, and 865 00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.760 it banged on my pinky and took like a little 866 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:36.440 chunk out of it. 867 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.199 Oh my gosh. Yeah. And I remember the teacher coming over. 868 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:40.679 He was great. 869 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.679 I mean he was like, okay, whatever, you know, tending 870 00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:45.679 to me putting stuff on my pinky, and he goes, okay, cool. 871 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.400 I'm glad you're good because I gotta admit I'm a 872 00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:50.039 little like this right now. And he was like shaking 873 00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.039 his hands in front of me. I'll never forget it. 874 00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:55.199 Mister Ambrose that was his name. 875 00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:57.840 Shout out to my nice amber. Nice guy. Nice guy. 876 00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:59.400 And I still have things that I made in shop 877 00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:02.840 class in my place right now that serve functions. 878 00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.480 So it was pretty cool. I love the kid that 879 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:09.639 we just see there. He's like playing chess. He's the 880 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:11.480 same kid later who's like washing his hands in. 881 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.440 The yeah, the bathroom. He's a perfect kid. He's a 882 00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:16.760 kid you should keep having pop up because he's just 883 00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:18.920 really adorable and authentic. 884 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:24.440 Yeah. I mean that's really like they they really do get, 885 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:26.760 you know, I mean it's you know, there is sort 886 00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.239 of a universality to high school it doesn't matter what 887 00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:32.559 decade you're in m hm. And you know, I think 888 00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:34.559 that's there's a reason, for example, when you talk about 889 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.239 Paris Bueller, that people watch the scene with Ben Stein 890 00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:39.800 and be like, well that I could be in that classroom, 891 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.840 you know, totally, totally, you know. And so yeah, there 892 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.800 is this authenticity here that they that they manage really well. 893 00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:49.159 But I mean it gets to something really crucial. Like 894 00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:54.400 for me, I remember being in junior high and fantasizing 895 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.679 about being Spider Man and what would that be like 896 00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:58.639 when you're in school and stuff, you know, And so 897 00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:04.199 this this movie really gets that totally. The fantasy like 898 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:09.599 why Spider Man has just this appeal that that will 899 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:13.159 never die. And it's because of that sense of like, 900 00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:17.400 you know, you you you cover your face, you become 901 00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:22.400 another person, you know. I just got to say here, 902 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:23.800 by the way, I don't care how good friends I 903 00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.320 am with somebody if if they put on that mask, 904 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:30.280 I'm washing that mask, dude. I love the concept. 905 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.760 It just shows how close of friends they are, and 906 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:36.639 it's like how cool you get to wear Spider Man's 907 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.960 mask because you know him. But I was also I 908 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:43.679 was just picturing that sort of damp. Yeah, sort of 909 00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:47.199 feeling that would be over thought, Yeah, breathing on. 910 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:51.719 It like that. Yeah, I'm like nope, yeah, I would 911 00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:58.760 have been like take that off, you know. Yeah yeah. Wait. 912 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.320 So this the Liz character is she from the comics? 913 00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:04.360 Yes, a little wildly different. So she is not the 914 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:08.239 Vulter's daughter, Okay, Liz Allen in the comics, she is 915 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:11.280 like Peter Parker's first crush. Like in fact, in his 916 00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:14.920 very first appearance Amazing Fantasy fifteen, he asks her out 917 00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:17.079 and she tells him to kick Rocks because she's like, 918 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:19.280 why would I go out with you when there's a 919 00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:21.480 he man like Flash Thompson around and he's like beat 920 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:25.360 at bookworm. You know. That was the dynamic. And what 921 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:30.199 we find out is, like, you know, the first several 922 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.400 years of the comic books, when it was Stanley and 923 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.000 Steve did go, they actually did a great deal to 924 00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.039 develop Peter from when we first see him, when he's 925 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:43.559 kind of this picked on you know Wallflower too because 926 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:46.199 he is Spider Man, he ends up becoming more confident 927 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:48.800 and more sarcastic and just sort of more of a person, 928 00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.400 you know, And so they really did track that so 929 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:55.239 by by the second year or third year, you know, 930 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.880 we actually have Peter graduate high school. And at that moment, 931 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.079 Liz comes up to him and she's like, you know, 932 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.119 I never told you I've had a crush on you 933 00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:03.559 for a long time. You know. It was kind of 934 00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:08.440 a kind of a cathartic moment, you know. But in 935 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:13.000 the comics, she her stepbrother is of a Spider Man 936 00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:15.440 villain called the Molten Man, whose body is just covered 937 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:20.599 in gold. And she ended up later in the comics 938 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.559 marrying Harry Osborne, who was, of course, you know, he 939 00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:27.239 becomes the Green Goblin. I don't know where the Spider 940 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.880 Man continuity is at these days, you know. But one 941 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.239 thing I liked, one thing I always liked growing up, 942 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:35.760 right because I read Spider Man comics throughout the eighties 943 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:40.119 into the nineties, into the two thousands, and I liked 944 00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:42.760 that he progressed, he grew, you know. So when I 945 00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:46.119 started reading he was in college in nineteen eighty seven, 946 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:50.079 he marries Mary Jane, and I mean they were a couple. 947 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.000 They were a married couple for a good twenty plus years, 948 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:56.039 you know, wow, And that was something I really liked, 949 00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:58.320 you know. And then for whatever reason, they decided to 950 00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:00.280 undo that and retcon it, and that was actual. When 951 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:02.119 I dipped out, I was like, well, this isn't really 952 00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:07.400 my thing anymore, you know. But yeah, they that progression, 953 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:11.239 and it seems like these films are are acknowledging that, 954 00:51:11.280 --> 00:51:13.320 you know, because I think there's a tendency to be like, oh, 955 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.079 Spider Man only works when he's in high school, and 956 00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.320 I'm like, well, I know for sure that's not true 957 00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.119 because even in the comics, he was not in high 958 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:21.960 school for very long. It was a couple of years, 959 00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:26.079 you know, right, right, and you know, I mean that's 960 00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:30.719 you know, he ends up becoming friends with Flash Thompson. 961 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:32.840 They become best friends, you know, and that's like, that's 962 00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:34.000 very real to me. 963 00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.880 That rewards longtime reading. Also, like you really get to 964 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.199 grow with him, that's right. Yeah, that's nice. 965 00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:45.320 I like that. Yeah. And you know, Peter, by the 966 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:48.079 time he's in his you know, early twenties or whatever, 967 00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.519 he's like a regular handsome guy, which is what happens, right, 968 00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:53.360 you know, you go through your awkward phase, you get 969 00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.000 through it, and then you just become a regular person, 970 00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.719 you know. Yeah, and you know by virtue of the 971 00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:00.719 fact that Tom Holland is he's got to be on 972 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:03.800 it like thirty now, right, thirty ish? Yeah, you know, 973 00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.960 I mean he's he's a grown up, ye know, and 974 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:10.360 we're in this era of Spider Man. Hopefully he's got 975 00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.639 at least another couple of years playing the role. Yeah, yeah, 976 00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.960 and you know we get to see that progression. You know, 977 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:20.840 why is casting him so young? I think? Yeah, and 978 00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:23.719 they very deliberately did that, you know. 979 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.199 By the way, this scene going back to like the 980 00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:34.960 writers really evoking so many high school specific, you know experiences. 981 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:38.360 I remember going on a school trip and that weird 982 00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:40.920 feeling of being with your classmates who you normally just 983 00:52:40.960 --> 00:52:44.480 see in a classroom, but now you're in a hotel 984 00:52:45.360 --> 00:52:47.960 and like you're going down to the pool together, which 985 00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.880 is fun but also kind of weird, Yeah, because you're 986 00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:55.159 not used to seeing you know, like Billy and you 987 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:57.800 know Kin, you know, from like English class, you know, 988 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.559 out of context, exactly, out of content, like in a 989 00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:05.159 pool together. It's strange but exhilarating too, Like, wow, this 990 00:53:05.239 --> 00:53:08.440 is fun. We're in a different setting. My parents aren't here, 991 00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:10.960 and I thought they captured that really well here where 992 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:13.519 they're away for the decathlon and they're at the hotel. 993 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.480 Well, and I wanted to mention, I mean Laura Harrier, 994 00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:19.719 who like we just saw her earlier this year because 995 00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:24.239 she's in she's in Michael, right, and she's also in 996 00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:25.960 Black Clansmen. She's been a bunch of stuff. But I 997 00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:30.679 really like how like she's very sweet, right, She's she's cute. 998 00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:33.559 She's not like a bombshell, you know what I mean. Yeah, 999 00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:34.000 she's like. 1000 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:37.199 The girl you have a crush on in high school exactly, right. 1001 00:53:37.239 --> 00:53:39.960 Like I think they they're very smart with how they 1002 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:45.079 construct both of these characters. Where Liz is intelligent and 1003 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.000 you know, like there's dimensionality to her, and you see 1004 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.920 why Peter is drawn to her above and beyond just 1005 00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:52.920 her being attractive. 1006 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:54.920 Yeah, oh totally yeah. 1007 00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:56.239 And she's also very. 1008 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.800 You know, sometimes you write the character getting ignored or 1009 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:03.880 he misses an event with her, and there's like the 1010 00:54:03.960 --> 00:54:07.679 typical how can I trust you? You know? Or we're 1011 00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.000 done you know, and then oh, well that's the end 1012 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:11.519 of the second act, and then you know, like how 1013 00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.840 they're gonna mack up in the third act. But here 1014 00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:18.440 she feels very she clearly has a feelings for him, 1015 00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:21.559 so she's willing to give him some grace, that's right. 1016 00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.639 But she also expresses her disappointment, but not like I 1017 00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.199 hate you, don't ever talk to me again. Just it 1018 00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:31.079 was a little more grounded. That's true, that her disappointment 1019 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:33.719 with him, and but she's also like I love her 1020 00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:35.679 last line in this movie where she's like, whatever you're 1021 00:54:35.719 --> 00:54:38.920 going through, I hope, I hope you're okay, you know whatever. 1022 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:43.280 She says, like, that's just so unexpected in a in 1023 00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.199 a movie for me, I think usually it's like don't 1024 00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:47.719 ever talk to me again, or you're not who I 1025 00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:49.800 thought you were, or something a little cliche. But this 1026 00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:52.320 is like, like, you're obviously going through something, and I 1027 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:54.159 hope it gets better, Okay, bye. 1028 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:56.599 Yeah. Hate. She'd been like, well, at least my dad 1029 00:54:56.599 --> 00:55:01.440 isn't the vulture, right. That was they shot that, but 1030 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:05.079 they cut it. Test audiences didn't like it for some reason. 1031 00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:12.679 So all this, all the tech, it's a lot, you know. 1032 00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:14.760 I know at the time there was a critique that, oh, 1033 00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:20.079 they've just turned him into Iron Man Junior basically, yeah, 1034 00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:24.360 and you know, I think there's validity to that. And 1035 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:27.400 I will say, like I don't mind him having all 1036 00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:29.920 the gadgets in there, but I do like that they're 1037 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:34.000 clearly moving away from that and having him function without 1038 00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:34.719 all that stuff. 1039 00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.440 Yeah, and I think they did a good job of 1040 00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:41.880 highlighting that in no way home. I keep going to 1041 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.239 that movie. But like how he has had a very 1042 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.039 different experience than the other Spider Man. 1043 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:47.519 That's right. 1044 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:50.280 You know, they had sort of their humble beginning sort 1045 00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.960 of thing, but he started a little privileged right at 1046 00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:56.000 the start doing Stark, and it's just a different experience. 1047 00:55:57.199 --> 00:55:59.920 Yeah, I agree, and I like that. 1048 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.480 But sometimes in movies like this with Iron Man, I 1049 00:56:02.480 --> 00:56:04.559 think it's three right, where there's like a million suits 1050 00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:07.280 flying around and that's right, they can do everything, and 1051 00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:10.719 that makes me go a little cross eyed sometimes, yeah, 1052 00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:13.360 or just it's just a magic wand for every situation. 1053 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.679 But I don't feel like all his gadgets and gizmos 1054 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.079 feel that way for me in this like he's able 1055 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.960 to do some extraordinary things. He's got the electrified web 1056 00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.239 and whatever, but it isn't It doesn't play like a 1057 00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:31.159 magic wand to me, I agree, which I think is perfect, 1058 00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:36.079 so it doesn't bother me. I'm Brian Hall signing off. 1059 00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:42.559 I mean, what you realize is like training wheel protocols 1060 00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:47.039 or baby monitor protocols. Notwithstanding, Tony Stark is very irresponsible 1061 00:56:47.079 --> 00:56:48.800 making a suit like this French. 1062 00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:51.440 Child for a job fifty you can't even drive, you know, 1063 00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.159 I mean I can't help but think that, Yeah, with 1064 00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.199 civil war, like hey, come join this battle kit? 1065 00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:01.280 Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that. What's the sort of 1066 00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.880 ironic thing and all this is that he's looking up 1067 00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:09.559 to Tony Stark, who is clearly not intentionally maybe but 1068 00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:13.320 certainly by by action, not the father figure you should 1069 00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:17.639 be seeking, right right, right right? I mean, by the way, 1070 00:57:18.239 --> 00:57:20.239 going back to Stark, I love at the very very 1071 00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.519 beginning of the film, remember where where he's reaching for 1072 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.559 the door and then Peter thinks he's hugging him. He's like, 1073 00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:27.440 it's not a hug. We're not there yet. I I 1074 00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:30.480 kind of love that that ends up setting up a 1075 00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:35.679 very heartfelt moment in Avengers endgame when they are reunited 1076 00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:37.000 and Tony does hug him. 1077 00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:43.119 You know, yep, man, they really just crushed it, didn't they. 1078 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:51.840 It's mm hm post end game TBD. Yeah, I mean, 1079 00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:56.880 you know some better than others, but I'm not as 1080 00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:01.280 down on the post end game output as most. But yeah, 1081 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:05.760 I mean, certainly it hasn't fired in all cylinders. 1082 00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:07.400 That's how I would put it. I wouldn't be like, oh, 1083 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.000 they've made bad movies. I still don't think they've made 1084 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:13.519 like a bad movie. Maybe they've made some, you know, 1085 00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:14.679 underwhelming movies. 1086 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.079 You weren't thrilled with the Eternals, is my recollection. 1087 00:58:17.599 --> 00:58:20.519 Yeah, that felt like I can appreciate that they were 1088 00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.400 trying to do something a little bit different. 1089 00:58:22.599 --> 00:58:25.800 Yeah, but it did not Land didn't Land. Yeah. 1090 00:58:25.880 --> 00:58:27.639 I do love this, by the way, like him realizing 1091 00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.360 he's stuck. So it's like, well, let's get to know 1092 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.280 this helper I have here. 1093 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:37.559 So suit Lady aka Karen is voiced by Jennifer Connelly. Yes, 1094 00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:42.840 she's married to Jarvis. Yeah, that seems appropriate. She's right 1095 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:44.320 to Paul Bettey. 1096 00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:48.719 Yeah, it's just fun. She's really good. I mean, she's 1097 00:58:48.719 --> 00:58:51.679 got like that good sort of I don't know what 1098 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:55.800 you'd call it, like you know, sirie voice or whatever. 1099 00:58:56.239 --> 00:59:00.760 Well, it is weird to realize that, like jar and 1100 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:04.760 you know Karen, Right, they pre date chat, GPT and 1101 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.639 all this stuff. M hm, And like how many people 1102 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:13.679 interact with with these AI assistants like they are a Jarvis, you. 1103 00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.159 Know, yeah, yeah, Well that's what I like is she's 1104 00:59:16.159 --> 00:59:18.880 a little warmer. I suppose I said I said my 1105 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.000 phone's name a second ago, and she spoke, So I'm 1106 00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:23.920 not gonna we all know who I'm talking about. She 1107 00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:28.880 who shall not be named. But it's like she can 1108 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:31.559 be really great to a point, but then you know, 1109 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:34.320 her limitations reveal themselves sometimes when you do try in 1110 00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:37.719 actually interacting. And what I like is just how personable 1111 00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:42.480 this voice is, Like especially when he's in the Washington 1112 00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:46.039 Monument and he's in front of Liz Karen's like, so 1113 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:46.719 she'd kiss her. 1114 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.960 I love that. So that Ultron ahead he just pulled out. 1115 00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:58.000 Its eyes are glowing, which is I find concerning because 1116 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.440 it doesn't mean that Ultron is still around, right right. 1117 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:04.880 Yeah, that's hilarious. Ned's picture on his phone. 1118 01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.239 Now. As we were recording this, we're a month or 1119 01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:11.199 so out from Wanda or not Wanda. Sorry. A vision 1120 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:17.159 quest I did, which is the Vision series, the mini 1121 01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:18.960 series that's going to be on Disney Plus, and and 1122 01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:20.800 we know Ultron is going to be in that in 1123 01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:24.760 some capacity. Okay, so maybe there's some kind of a 1124 01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:27.400 homecoming tie in. We'll see you know, I got. 1125 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:29.800 To say, and I know this has been talked to death, 1126 01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:31.400 but there was a moment where there was a lot 1127 01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:34.760 of marvel things happening at once, especially with Disney Plus, 1128 01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:37.880 and I just I couldn't keep up. And then I 1129 01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:40.039 realized I didn't miss some of it. And some people 1130 01:00:40.039 --> 01:00:42.519 were telling me, eh, you know, you don't need to 1131 01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:44.840 watch this. Maybe catch this if you have time, But 1132 01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:47.920 they slowed their role a little bit. It's been a minute, 1133 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:50.360 and you saying that there's a vision thing coming up 1134 01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:53.199 on Disney Plus. I'm like, oh, I want to watch that, Like. 1135 01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:55.039 I just wish that that just need they needed to 1136 01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:59.280 get right, Yeah, they needed to get back to Brian 1137 01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:04.320 Hall specific being like I want to watch that. Yeah, right, 1138 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:06.559 because because to me, it's like, if you've lost Brian, 1139 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:12.519 you've lost America. 1140 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:16.039 By the way, since he's out of that warehouse, now 1141 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:17.559 I have to call out. I love that joke where 1142 01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:19.000 he's like, how long have I been in here? And 1143 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:24.199 she's like thirty seven minutes. He's like what, he's already bored. 1144 01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.920 It's so funny. So were you ever part of like 1145 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:36.320 academic decathlon and that stuff? No? Yeah, this well, no, 1146 01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:38.760 this is my curse. Right. I was neither athletic enough 1147 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:44.400 for actual athletics nor smart enough for you know, academic athletics. 1148 01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:46.239 Yeah I was. 1149 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:51.320 I was complete middle of the pack, you know, unexceptional 1150 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.840 in every way. That was my That was my lot 1151 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:55.960 in high school. Kind of same. 1152 01:01:56.119 --> 01:01:59.119 But you know, I feel very lucky that I discovered 1153 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:02.360 my interests. Yeah you know, I mean movies and I 1154 01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:04.920 was making I was making movies with friends ever since 1155 01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:08.719 elementary school through college, so that was always a thing. 1156 01:02:08.760 --> 01:02:09.639 And also music. 1157 01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:12.639 I started playing drums and guitar, and so that I 1158 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.239 feel like I found at least my thing my hockey. 1159 01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.519 Yeah, you know, but yeah it wasn't that. That's a 1160 01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:21.920 good point. I mean, I you know, I joined newspaper 1161 01:02:22.119 --> 01:02:24.760 my sophomore year. Yeah, that's good, that's going. And I mean, 1162 01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:29.320 in hindsight, I say, well, there was a life altering decision. 1163 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.360 Yeah you know, yeah, amazing. 1164 01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:35.679 You're an award winning movie critic, you. 1165 01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:38.320 Know, crazy. Yeah if you just told me that my 1166 01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:41.639 very first movie I reviewed was was Rumble in the Bronx. 1167 01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:48.199 Wow is that ninety four? That was ninety sixty six? Okay, 1168 01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:51.440 thirty years ago, exactly thirty years Oo? Can believe that. Wow. 1169 01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:52.199 Amazing. 1170 01:02:55.239 --> 01:02:56.800 So this right here, going back to what we were 1171 01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.679 talking about, Spider Man in Washington, d C. Well, that's 1172 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:00.800 something that's interesting. 1173 01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:01.760 It's different. 1174 01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:04.559 You take him out of the New York City environs. 1175 01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.000 But even when we're in New York, if you notice, 1176 01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:09.679 I mean, we tend to stay out of Manhattan proper 1177 01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:12.679 and we're more in the Burroughs and you know, Coney 1178 01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:14.400 Island and things like that, and I think all of 1179 01:03:14.400 --> 01:03:15.639 that very deliberate choice. 1180 01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:26.039 Yeah, in case anyone was wondering, I was. MG's wearing 1181 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:27.599 a shirt with Sylvia Plath on it. 1182 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:34.119 Interesting. Yeah. I love the thing earlier where Martin Starr 1183 01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:35.280 is like, oh, you don't want to come up and 1184 01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:36.760 she's like, no, I don't want to see a thing 1185 01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:38.920 built by slaves, right, And he's like, oh, I don't 1186 01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:41.159 think it was. And he glances over the guys like yeah. 1187 01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:46.039 The security guard is kind of like kind of he's like, oh, okay, 1188 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:48.599 well meet you afterwards. 1189 01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:53.840 Now I have Yeah, I have been to d C. 1190 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.320 I was there ten years ago exactly. Yeah. I was 1191 01:03:57.320 --> 01:03:58.400 invited to the White. 1192 01:03:58.119 --> 01:04:00.360 House and wow, wait that was ten years ago. 1193 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:03.280 Ten years ago? Can be wow? No, ten years ago 1194 01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:09.480 like right now. Basically wow, and I missed out on 1195 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:11.400 the chance to really do some sight seeing, so I 1196 01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:13.639 did not I had planned to see the Washington Monument, 1197 01:04:13.679 --> 01:04:17.920 did not get that opportunity. Yeah, So seeing this movie 1198 01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:22.719 just a year later, it was irksome in that way. Yeah. 1199 01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.800 Yeah, it would be cool to see the Lincoln Monuments 1200 01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:31.199 and all that stuff. Yeah, but yeah, I was. I 1201 01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:33.559 was gonna say, I I don't know if I've ever 1202 01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:35.760 seen the Washington Monument used. 1203 01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:37.719 By there Real quick, Brian, I just want to say, 1204 01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:42.440 we are recording this commentary on July twentieth of twenty 1205 01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:46.039 twenty six and I just looked in my calendar July twentieth, 1206 01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:51.760 twenty sixteen. I flew to DC Holy Cow, just by 1207 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:54.559 complete chance. So I literally ten years ago exact to 1208 01:04:54.599 --> 01:04:54.960 the day. 1209 01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:57.800 Wow, that was amazing. And I remember there's like this 1210 01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:01.079 picture of you like feet away from President and Obama. 1211 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:03.599 That's right, you're in that room. Yeah, oh man, and 1212 01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:07.480 then you flew from there to my place, that's right. Yeah, 1213 01:05:07.519 --> 01:05:10.760 that was exciting for men. Second half is the ten years, dude, 1214 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.960 I have no idea. Good Lord, I know that's what 1215 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:19.000 I'm saying. These years are a blur. Yeah, but no, 1216 01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:20.800 I agree with you. I like, this is a totally 1217 01:05:20.800 --> 01:05:23.719 different location, totally different monument. I've never seen the set 1218 01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:24.559 piece here. 1219 01:05:25.559 --> 01:05:29.440 It's perfect. It's just a big steep drop, you know. Yeah, 1220 01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.480 and I think by virtue of the fact that if 1221 01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:37.400 you do your Spider Man right, you're staying away from 1222 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:39.440 from blue skybeams and things like that. 1223 01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:41.760 Yeah, yeah, totally. 1224 01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:45.320 Right, there's a little bit more like problem solving involved, 1225 01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:48.880 and I think that's really evoked well in this sequence here, 1226 01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:52.440 right where Spider Man's like, I gotta get in there. 1227 01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:54.039 I got to figure out how to get in there, 1228 01:05:54.079 --> 01:05:56.039 and he's having to you know. I mean he's got 1229 01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.800 technology and stuff, but I mean this is not an 1230 01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:02.559 Iron Man suit, you know, so he has to figure 1231 01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:05.760 this stuff out. I think that's when Spider Man excels, right, 1232 01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:11.559 something that really highlights his youthfulness but his smarts, you know. 1233 01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:15.719 Doesn't he say something too, like this is the highest 1234 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:18.239 I've ever been. Yeah, so he's kind of freaking out. 1235 01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.119 I like that it makes him feel human, you know. 1236 01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:23.119 That's sometimes I can get lost when it's like the 1237 01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:24.559 superheroes are gods and. 1238 01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:27.480 Well and at the very start of the film. Right, 1239 01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:30.239 He's like, I've never been on an airplane before. Yeah, right, right, 1240 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:34.000 I love that, right, Like, like being fifteen and not 1241 01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:36.960 ever having been on an airplane. That gives you a 1242 01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:41.639 sense of his financial situation. Yeah right, because I mean 1243 01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:43.559 I think it's something that we take for granted to 1244 01:06:43.559 --> 01:06:45.639 some extent, Well, on a plane at some point. 1245 01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:46.639 Yeah, totally. 1246 01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:48.840 You know. 1247 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:54.239 Also, the way that he employs webs and contorts himself, 1248 01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:58.159 like credit to whoever, I mean, storyboard artists, the director writers, 1249 01:06:58.159 --> 01:06:58.679 like whoever. 1250 01:06:59.320 --> 01:06:59.760 It's so. 1251 01:07:01.360 --> 01:07:04.199 Inventive. Like you were saying, he doesn't have magic weapons. 1252 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.440 He's just got to find really creative ways to leap 1253 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.119 around and use his webs and hold this thing over 1254 01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:14.000 here and hold himself over here. And like I was 1255 01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.559 kind of marveling at it watching it, like it's just 1256 01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:19.079 so creative and doesn't get repetitive. 1257 01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:27.039 Yeah, it's a great observation. I think the way that 1258 01:07:27.079 --> 01:07:30.320 they've really figured out over the course of the last 1259 01:07:30.360 --> 01:07:33.800 twenty five issues, like how to make spide these webs 1260 01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:36.760 look like that itself is a pretty impressive trick, you know. 1261 01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:42.440 Yeah, that's true. This is your chance Peter kiss her Karen. 1262 01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:48.039 It's so funny see this is an example of AI 1263 01:07:48.199 --> 01:07:51.920 getting people to do things that they really shouldn't. And 1264 01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:53.400 of course I love Flash too. 1265 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:55.480 He has to know, are you really friends with Peter 1266 01:07:55.599 --> 01:07:59.440 Parker yelling down the elevator shaft? 1267 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.159 What's great about that is that it really, you know, 1268 01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:04.760 it underscores what was always a thing in the comics 1269 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:07.440 that Flash Thompson is like a Spider Man fanboy who 1270 01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:08.679 also hates Peter Parker. 1271 01:08:09.079 --> 01:08:10.440 Yeah it's funny, you know. 1272 01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:17.359 Yeah, So Michael turnis over here. He plays the Tinker. 1273 01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:21.800 The Tinker is also a Spider Man villain who just 1274 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:25.319 by chance, both the Vulture and the Tinker appeared for 1275 01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:27.600 the first time in Amazing Spider Man Number two back 1276 01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:31.119 in you know the sixties. Oh wow, okay, and two 1277 01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:34.920 separate stories. There was two stories and one issue, and 1278 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:37.840 just a wild coincidence. I suppose that both end up 1279 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:41.840 in the same film. But I mean this, this movie 1280 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:44.079 really is really packed to the gills with Spider Man villains. 1281 01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:46.680 Because you got your Vulture, your Tinker, your Shocker, and 1282 01:08:46.680 --> 01:08:48.319 then we see the Scorpion just a little bit. 1283 01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:52.600 Yeah that's right. Yeah, but it doesn't have that thing 1284 01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:56.840 where it feels overstuffed and like they're trying to accomplish 1285 01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:59.319 something that doesn't feel organic, Like I feel it all 1286 01:08:59.439 --> 01:08:59.960 kind of flows. 1287 01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:03.000 I do. Like what we just saw here where we 1288 01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:08.439 see we see Tombs looking at the news coverage and 1289 01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:10.520 he has this look like you realize later it's a 1290 01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:11.359 look of concern. 1291 01:09:11.560 --> 01:09:14.560 Yeah, because his daughter was right the moment, and then 1292 01:09:14.560 --> 01:09:17.760 we cut from his face to Liz being embraced by 1293 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:20.239 your mom, right, and so unconscious of this. 1294 01:09:20.279 --> 01:09:21.960 By the way, this Martin Star bit where he's like, 1295 01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:24.800 oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know what I'd do 1296 01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:28.920 if I lost a student not again, yeah, Which doesn't 1297 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.000 that just feel like like a bit of improv and 1298 01:09:31.039 --> 01:09:33.439 they just kept it in totally totally right. 1299 01:09:34.760 --> 01:09:41.039 Yeah. 1300 01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:43.520 See that that bit where where you know, you see 1301 01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:45.960 Peter smiling as he's walking by the news coverage. For 1302 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.640 some reason, it reminds me of in The Rocketeer when 1303 01:09:48.680 --> 01:09:51.479 Cliff is hearing all the people talking about I bet 1304 01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:54.560 he's hands I'm under that helmet, yeah. 1305 01:09:54.359 --> 01:09:55.359 Yeah, and he's got that grin. 1306 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:00.279 Man. 1307 01:10:00.359 --> 01:10:03.800 I'm like, I had like a thought and it like 1308 01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:06.000 totally escapes me, and I keep trying to back. That's 1309 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:09.760 why I'm like over here, like oh yeah, I can't 1310 01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:11.159 remember anyway. 1311 01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.119 Well, well, while while you try to remember your thought, 1312 01:10:14.119 --> 01:10:16.039 I wanted to mention, you know, they talk about the 1313 01:10:16.079 --> 01:10:19.880 Department of Damage Control. Yes, which, in in the context 1314 01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:22.840 of the MCU, is a government agency headed up by 1315 01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:25.520 Tony Stark in the comics Damage Control. That's a real 1316 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.119 thing from from the comics. It was introduced in the 1317 01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:32.039 eighties and it's it's a it's a humorous series and 1318 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:35.039 it's just answering that simple question, well who cleans up 1319 01:10:35.079 --> 01:10:39.000 after all the superhero fights? And it's kind of brilliant, 1320 01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:39.359 you know. 1321 01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:41.680 Didn't they try to make a series out of that? 1322 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:44.960 And with Danny Pooty was in it. 1323 01:10:45.479 --> 01:10:48.680 Yes, but that was not Marvel. It was a DC show. Okay, Okay, 1324 01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:53.239 it is that I had idea, Yeah, it had oh gosh, 1325 01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:56.079 what's her name from the the high school musical film 1326 01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:02.199 Hugens Vanessa Hudgens. Yeah, okay, powerless that's what it was called. Okay, 1327 01:11:03.640 --> 01:11:05.079 that's a funny line, MJ. 1328 01:11:06.159 --> 01:11:09.159 I just like to sketch people in crisis hits. 1329 01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:15.560 You sorry what we're saying. No, that show I remember 1330 01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:17.479 it being amusing enough, you know. 1331 01:11:17.920 --> 01:11:19.680 It's a funny idea. I mean at least it could 1332 01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:21.159 make a really funny movie. I think. 1333 01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:26.960 Yeah, it had Alan Tudic as Van Wayne Bruce, Wayne's 1334 01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.960 cousin who, like Bruce, never acknowledges and he's like the 1335 01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:33.119 head of this division of Wayne Enterprises. 1336 01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:37.199 Okay, okay, yeah, by the way, I remember what I 1337 01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:40.560 was gonna bring up. Uh, you were talking about the 1338 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:46.840 web and this is the first movie Spider Man to 1339 01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:50.399 use non organic web fluid. 1340 01:11:50.479 --> 01:11:56.720 Right, Well, no, because the Andrew Garfield Spider Man. Oh 1341 01:11:56.760 --> 01:11:59.680 he did. He has web shooters. Man. Oh see, I'm 1342 01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:03.000 not so ry Andrew. I barely remember those movies. If 1343 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:05.760 he gets overlooked left and right, he really does. 1344 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:09.800 But yeah, the organic thing was that first introduced in 1345 01:12:10.039 --> 01:12:13.000 the Remi movies. I mean, I know James Cameron kind 1346 01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:14.039 of yeah. 1347 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:17.960 So so it originated really with Cameron's script Mint. 1348 01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:22.239 Okay, so that's a Cameron original. That's that's that not 1349 01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:25.000 really been in comics before. Like being bit by the Spider, 1350 01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:27.199 he'd get a spider attribute where he could actually produce 1351 01:12:27.239 --> 01:12:28.039 this web fluid. 1352 01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:32.000 That's that's not happened. Okay, So that that that was 1353 01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:34.760 something that Cameron came up with, and then Sam Raimi 1354 01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:37.720 and Company ran with it, and and I I mean, 1355 01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:39.960 ultimately I'm like whatever, I don't you know, I'll roll 1356 01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:43.479 with it. I'm not crazy about it, though, yeah, because 1357 01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:46.000 to me, to me, I'm like, how much of that 1358 01:12:46.119 --> 01:12:48.199 ship do you have to have in your body? 1359 01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:52.079 That's a good point, right, That's a good point if. 1360 01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:55.439 You're just swinging everywhere, right, because because here's it's like 1361 01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:59.319 I mean, you know, it's like what you got to 1362 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:01.279 reload at some point, you got to give yourself time 1363 01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.359 to you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand it. You 1364 01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:10.279 can take him out, you know. So I've always preferred 1365 01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:12.359 the Web shooters. I also think it shows that Peter 1366 01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.840 is like just wicked smart, you know. 1367 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:18.520 Yeah, yeah, I always wondered too when I was younger 1368 01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:21.079 watching those movies, like so there's all that web just 1369 01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.079 hanging all over New York City now because of him 1370 01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:24.880 traveling around. 1371 01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:28.239 But here he says, yeah, it takes a couple hours 1372 01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.319 and it dissolves, so one resumes it's the same thing, 1373 01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:34.439 you know, Yeah, but yeah it's I mean, Spider Man 1374 01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:39.520 is shooting goo from inside his own body. 1375 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:42.479 I don't know, you know, it grows, yeah, kind of gross. 1376 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:44.000 I'm not sure I want that. 1377 01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:50.119 I love this line that that uncle Aaron over here 1378 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:52.479 has where he's like, if you need to be better 1379 01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:55.079 at this part. Yeah. Yeah, the interrogation. 1380 01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:59.079 I do like the enhanced interrogation mode that he's in 1381 01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:04.199 and he's like, he sounds like Christian Baleman a man, yes, yes, 1382 01:14:04.319 --> 01:14:05.640 or he says a boy. 1383 01:14:05.439 --> 01:14:07.439 I'm not a girl, or I'm not a girl, I'm 1384 01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:09.479 a boy. I mean I'm a man. 1385 01:14:09.960 --> 01:14:16.520 It just sounds so childish. Yeah, so funny. 1386 01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:18.880 Yeah, I think I think this is this is one 1387 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:21.159 of my favorite sequences of the film, and it really 1388 01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:27.199 just highlights like he's just he's a kid. It's a kid. Yeah. 1389 01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:30.159 One thing I do like about this film is that, 1390 01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:35.159 unlike the previous versions, they don't go out of their 1391 01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:39.119 way to keep having his mask off. Yeah. 1392 01:14:39.119 --> 01:14:42.920 That's a good point, right, Yeah, yeah. 1393 01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:44.800 I mean you have you have the villain figure out 1394 01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:47.760 who he is, and Okay, that allows for the bid 1395 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:51.439 at the end, but otherwise, you know, no, he's just 1396 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:53.640 got his mask. And I think it helps that you've 1397 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:58.159 got the The eyes on the mask are themselves somewhat 1398 01:14:58.279 --> 01:15:02.520 you know, reactive, and they yeah, they express, they're expressive, 1399 01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:02.800 you know. 1400 01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:05.680 Yeah, that's a that's a great point. And also I 1401 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:07.920 feel like I've talked about this before where I can't 1402 01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:12.479 believe that we can make movies that are so complicated 1403 01:15:12.479 --> 01:15:16.680 now about multiverses and like, you know, my parents will 1404 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:18.960 be like, yeah, that that tracks, you know, like like 1405 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:22.119 like years ago, they would be like, well that concept. 1406 01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:25.119 An audience will never be able to understand that concept. 1407 01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:28.760 So we we had to change what originally happened in 1408 01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.560 the comic book because people won't get it, or like 1409 01:15:31.840 --> 01:15:35.159 or similarly, well, you got to take the mask off 1410 01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:37.920 of Spider Man because it's Toby Maguire and people won't 1411 01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:39.600 want to look at a mask for two hours. They 1412 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:41.359 need to see a face, they need to see the eyes. 1413 01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:44.760 And now we've watched so many superhero movies, it's like, 1414 01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:46.880 no audiences will go with this. They do like seeing 1415 01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:48.159 Spider Man with his mask on, you. 1416 01:15:48.159 --> 01:15:48.640 Know what I mean. 1417 01:15:48.800 --> 01:15:53.479 Like there's been this evolution with audiences along with these movies, 1418 01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:55.159 So you can't do something like that now. 1419 01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:58.119 If anything, audiences are like, just keep the mask on. 1420 01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:02.520 Yeah, right, yeah, exactly, It's it's actually what we want. 1421 01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:06.039 It's cool. So after this sequence, you can see how 1422 01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:08.640 Colin Jost and Pete Davidson were able to buy the 1423 01:16:08.640 --> 01:16:13.560 Staten Island Ferry. Yes, yes, after Spider Man screwed it up. 1424 01:16:14.680 --> 01:16:16.560 Now now see this, this is what I'm talking about. 1425 01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:21.640 So these are these are FBI agents who Tony Stark, 1426 01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:25.119 you know, gave the heads up to, like, hey, this 1427 01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:29.239 is happening, right, Okay, now you're telling me he couldn't 1428 01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:31.199 have shot off one text being on, Hey, thanks for 1429 01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:34.119 the heads up. We've let the FBI know. Just sit 1430 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.680 this one out right. Yeah. 1431 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:41.680 Maybe is that some sort of you know, model expo 1432 01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:42.640 you got. 1433 01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:45.560 To I mean, that's it. Like this whole sequence it 1434 01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:50.520 culminates in in Tony Stark just taking Peter to the woodshed, 1435 01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:58.680 and I'm like, bro, this is your fault one because 1436 01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:03.279 all Spider Man did was say, hey, something, No, this 1437 01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:06.800 is clearly a bad thing that's happening, and nobody's doing 1438 01:17:06.840 --> 01:17:08.640 anything about it. I should do something. Well, guess that's 1439 01:17:08.640 --> 01:17:12.359 the right thing to do, you know. Yep, No, I 1440 01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:16.880 totally agree. One text, thanks for the heads up. I've 1441 01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:18.840 let the FBI, I know, problem solved. 1442 01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.640 Yeah, yeah, even. 1443 01:17:21.439 --> 01:17:24.159 If they had had him acknowledge it where you do see, well, 1444 01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:26.920 maybe he's not like the best father figure yeah that 1445 01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:30.399 you want him to be like, yeah, sorry, should have messaged, 1446 01:17:30.439 --> 01:17:33.359 but I didn't so or some sort of throwaway thing. 1447 01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:35.279 Didn't even need to send a text. Do the little 1448 01:17:35.279 --> 01:17:36.319 thumbs up on the text. 1449 01:17:37.439 --> 01:17:44.560 That's exactly, yeah, exactly, that's it totally well, And then 1450 01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:48.600 we got a scorpion set up there, right, Yeah, that's right. 1451 01:17:49.720 --> 01:17:51.399 Actor Michael Mando. 1452 01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:53.560 Michael Mando. Yeah, we're going to see him again in 1453 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:55.800 brand new Day in some capacity. 1454 01:17:55.960 --> 01:17:57.520 From Better Call Saul. He was great in that. 1455 01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:05.000 Yeah, that's right. I forget that now. I will say. 1456 01:18:05.000 --> 01:18:08.279 It's it's interesting to me that the vulture, you know, 1457 01:18:08.359 --> 01:18:13.680 his his wingsuit is itself built from you know, Chatari technology, 1458 01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:19.399 so he has scavenged it like a vulture. A very 1459 01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:22.800 good but I do I do feel like, I don't know, 1460 01:18:22.800 --> 01:18:25.800 maybe this is just me. It's just the wings are 1461 01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:26.920 they're just too much. 1462 01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:31.840 Hmm, like to elaborate for someone like him to build, 1463 01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:34.359 or just as a design in general. 1464 01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:39.199 Something a little more compact would would just be more 1465 01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:43.359 believable to me, weirdly, you. 1466 01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:45.680 Know, No, I think you're right. I think I just 1467 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:47.359 go with it because I do too. 1468 01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:49.680 I mean, it's it's a it's a small critique, But no, 1469 01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:50.159 I'm with you. 1470 01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:52.079 I'm with you on that it would be I guess 1471 01:18:52.119 --> 01:18:54.119 it just looks like something I expect to see in 1472 01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:57.439 these movies. But if they had put just a fraction 1473 01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:00.239 more thought into it, yeah, like simplified a little bit. 1474 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:04.319 You know, he's not he's not Tony Stark, so media 1475 01:19:04.359 --> 01:19:07.000 would look a little bit more homemade. 1476 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:10.920 Well, he's got the tinkerer though, that is true in 1477 01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:13.960 the in the comic books, the Vulture is just an 1478 01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:19.239 old bald guy who he has like some kind of 1479 01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:21.760 anti gravity thing, and then he's got wings under his 1480 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:24.279 arms and he flaps his arms like a bird. So 1481 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:26.880 that's just very silly looking. You can see why they 1482 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:30.600 didn't They didn't go with that. Yeah, so in that sense, 1483 01:19:30.640 --> 01:19:32.760 you know, I appreciate figuring out, Okay, how do we 1484 01:19:32.840 --> 01:19:36.720 update this and make it look something more cinematic, you know. Yeah, 1485 01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:39.600 it's just like the wings fan is too big, that's all. 1486 01:19:39.640 --> 01:19:43.720 And Vulture was going to be in Raimi's fourth Spider 1487 01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:44.800 Man movie, that's right. 1488 01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.119 Yeah, I think I think John Malkovich was who they 1489 01:19:48.119 --> 01:19:52.079 had offered it to. I could see that. I mean, 1490 01:19:52.119 --> 01:19:57.079 that is itself just fascinating, right, because those those films, 1491 01:19:57.079 --> 01:20:02.199 certainly the first two were we're so zych geisty, right, 1492 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:05.720 I mean, people forget I mean the first time a 1493 01:20:05.800 --> 01:20:08.119 movie broke a hundred million dollars for its opening weekend 1494 01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:11.760 was Spider Man. Yeah, yeah, that had never happened, but 1495 01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:13.079 that was like the white whale. 1496 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:14.760 Of I remember that it being a big deal. 1497 01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:18.800 Yeah, you know, And the second film was very well regarded, 1498 01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:20.920 and even the third film, which was not as well regarded, 1499 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:23.600 was still a huge hit, right, And I think the expectation, 1500 01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:27.079 certainly my expectation was like, oh Okay, it didn't do 1501 01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:29.039 as well, or it wasn't liked as well, you come 1502 01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:31.159 back to another one. That's just that's just how you 1503 01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:36.600 do it. You know. It feels like Sony was more 1504 01:20:36.680 --> 01:20:40.199 concerned about the legal issue, which is like the contract, 1505 01:20:40.279 --> 01:20:45.159 the very stupid contract that Marvel signed with them, gives 1506 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:47.520 Sony the rights in perpetuity as long as they're just 1507 01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:51.840 cranking some shit out, which what kind of stupid ass deal, 1508 01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:56.199 what kind of dime store better call Saul made that 1509 01:20:56.359 --> 01:21:02.560 deal for them? You know, Yeah, yeah, that was I mean, 1510 01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:07.680 this is weird to think about, right, we're talking mid nineties. 1511 01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:13.439 Marvel was in the throes of bankruptcy. Yeah, and so 1512 01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:16.199 they were like looking for any port in the storm, right, 1513 01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:23.760 and the one, the one asset everybody wanted was Spider Man. Yeah, 1514 01:21:24.159 --> 01:21:27.199 and that's why there was this whole just this company 1515 01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:29.279 had this portion of the rights and whatever. And by 1516 01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:32.319 the time all that was resolved, we're talking mid nineties 1517 01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:38.880 and Sony I think it was like seven million dollars. Wow, 1518 01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:40.159 that's what they paid upfront. 1519 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:42.319 Amazing for the rights in Perpetrator. 1520 01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:45.479 But here's the thing. Marvel was like, well, you can 1521 01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:49.840 have Spider Man for seven or for thirty million, will 1522 01:21:49.880 --> 01:21:54.960 give you the entire catalog. And Sony was like, no, 1523 01:21:55.000 --> 01:22:00.239 we're good, we just want Spider Man. Yeah, which, on 1524 01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:01.880 the one hand, it's easy to be like, well, what 1525 01:22:01.960 --> 01:22:03.760 a dumb decision, But on the other hand, like what 1526 01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:06.079 you know, I'm sure they were like, who's gonna want 1527 01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:08.479 to watch Iron Man? You know? Yeah, for sure. 1528 01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:11.279 And I mean when I think of early Marvel, I 1529 01:22:11.279 --> 01:22:14.600 think of Dolph Lungern as the Punisher. Yeah, exactly right, 1530 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:17.239 you know, like straight to VHS kind of stuff. 1531 01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:18.239 Yeah. 1532 01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:22.520 By the way, I'm not sure this would work where 1533 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:25.159 they like completely thrown in half and then just putting 1534 01:22:25.199 --> 01:22:27.960 these you know, propulsion sorts of things and piecing it 1535 01:22:28.000 --> 01:22:28.479 back together. 1536 01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:32.760 I'm like, all right, sure, well I think it's like 1537 01:22:33.039 --> 01:22:35.760 just enough to get it back to shore. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1538 01:22:36.039 --> 01:22:37.760 and then put a for sale sign and then Colin 1539 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:41.039 jo just jumps in. I can afford that. 1540 01:22:44.079 --> 01:22:47.319 A fun sequence though, and a lot of the uh 1541 01:22:47.359 --> 01:22:50.439 and when he was fighting those guys before the very 1542 01:22:50.760 --> 01:22:53.359 torn half, you know, a lot of real fun web 1543 01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:55.560 shooty Spider Man jumping around action. 1544 01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.159 So Michael Chernis, who plays the Tinker here, he's also 1545 01:23:02.159 --> 01:23:08.119 in Men in Black three, okay, which I suspect that's 1546 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:09.640 not a movie you remember very well. 1547 01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:12.079 I remember bits of it with Josh Brolin. 1548 01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:15.359 Yeah that's right. Yeah see he you know how how 1549 01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:18.399 Will Smith goes back in time. He's like the guy 1550 01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:22.840 who facilitates that. Okay, it's kind of a version of 1551 01:23:22.840 --> 01:23:26.960 this role really. Yeah. But also he's in Captain Phillips. 1552 01:23:27.039 --> 01:23:28.319 He's the like first officer. 1553 01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:32.760 Oh, now that you say it, I can completely see 1554 01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:33.199 that again. 1555 01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:37.039 Yep, right, yep. So this scene here is what I 1556 01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:39.279 was telling you about. It's like, can you like it's 1557 01:23:39.279 --> 01:23:43.640 so clearly them in front of a green screen. Yeah, yeah, 1558 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:48.279 And it just irks me. Yeah, well, you know, it's funny. 1559 01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:50.239 We talk about this a lot lately, or at least 1560 01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:52.039 I have. I'll just put it on myself. But just 1561 01:23:53.039 --> 01:23:57.600 not loving the look of movies lately, Yeah, because it's clear. 1562 01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:00.359 I mean Mwana being the latest example where it's like 1563 01:24:00.359 --> 01:24:02.760 you've got two actors in a stage. They don't know 1564 01:24:02.800 --> 01:24:04.800 exactly what the background's going to be quite yet, so 1565 01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:07.439 they light them in this flat, uniform sort of way 1566 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:09.640 that doesn't look like they're anywhere. It doesn't look like 1567 01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:12.600 they're inside, doesn't look like they're outside. They just look flat. 1568 01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:15.319 And then they drop them into the middle of a 1569 01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:18.840 beach in Hawaii, but somehow they all look like they're 1570 01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:22.600 completely you know, there's no sunlight on them. It's just 1571 01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:28.119 a weird, disorienting, fake looking image. And so I guess 1572 01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:32.319 with that Staten Island Fairy Battle, one of the VFS 1573 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:35.800 people said that that sequence was brutal because the way 1574 01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:37.920 it was shot, it was lit to be a certain 1575 01:24:37.960 --> 01:24:40.800 time of day, and afterwards they decided. 1576 01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:42.840 To change that time of day. Wow. 1577 01:24:43.159 --> 01:24:46.520 Yeah, so it was just all so I kinda admit, 1578 01:24:46.520 --> 01:24:49.640 though I didn't think it looked that bad. The fairy 1579 01:24:49.640 --> 01:24:52.640 sequence in this movie. But that does make a lot 1580 01:24:52.640 --> 01:24:55.399 of sense why we look at certain movies. We look 1581 01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:57.880 at The Odyssey and you're like, wow, Matt Damon looks 1582 01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:00.119 really dirty and like the sun is hitting the back 1583 01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:01.079 of his head right there. 1584 01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:02.000 We can see the. 1585 01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:04.159 Halo wing happening on his hair, and it looks like 1586 01:25:04.199 --> 01:25:07.960 he's really out there and that looks really brutal. Yeah, 1587 01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:11.520 Versus when you watch a movie where you know all 1588 01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:16.039 the lighting and everything, the decisions are made later and 1589 01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:18.079 it's altered and tweaked, and it's like, well, no, wonder, 1590 01:25:18.119 --> 01:25:21.039 it doesn't feel like it's anywhere. It just feels like 1591 01:25:21.159 --> 01:25:24.239 kind of a flat, shiny image we're looking at, which 1592 01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:27.079 can be thrilling if it's executed well enough, if it's 1593 01:25:27.119 --> 01:25:29.920 directed well enough, if the steaks are good enough, but 1594 01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:33.079 we're just not going to buy into it to the 1595 01:25:33.159 --> 01:25:34.800 degree the depths that we would. 1596 01:25:35.039 --> 01:25:37.760 Yeah. Right, And just to add to what you're saying, right, 1597 01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:40.880 like you know, for example, you know this is something 1598 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:42.640 that you and I talked about when we watched Civil 1599 01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:47.000 War Captain America, Civil War, not the not the the 1600 01:25:47.159 --> 01:25:52.000 Civil War very different. How like you can tell that 1601 01:25:52.119 --> 01:25:54.800 like Scarlett Joe Ants and they just did a Walter 1602 01:25:54.880 --> 01:25:57.960 Payton in Super Bowl shuffle and just added her in. 1603 01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:02.520 It's great reference, right, And it's like you roll with 1604 01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:06.039 it because the alternative is just she's not in it, right, yeah. 1605 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:09.560 And so it's like, we're willing to put up with 1606 01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:11.239 some of this stuff because it's like, well, that's just 1607 01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:13.079 that's how you get all these people in the same 1608 01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:13.960 thing together, right. 1609 01:26:14.560 --> 01:26:16.840 I agree with that, By the way. It irks me, 1610 01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:19.239 but I'm willing to roll with it because I want 1611 01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:20.159 to go on this ride. 1612 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:22.119 Look at the picture in the background. You see that, 1613 01:26:22.239 --> 01:26:27.239 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's his grandpa, Jim Murta. Anyway, sorry, 1614 01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:30.840 go ahead, no, no, that's it. I think we're willing 1615 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:33.079 to roll with it, and that's why, you know, you 1616 01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:36.399 get your end game or whatever. But I think, you know, 1617 01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:39.520 there's stuff like like I remember seeing a shot from 1618 01:26:40.039 --> 01:26:44.119 from Far from Home where it's Sam Jackson holding a 1619 01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:45.800 gun and then you see the actual thing and he's 1620 01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:48.359 got like just like a prop in his hand and 1621 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:51.920 they replaced it with a digital gun, and I'm like, well, 1622 01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:53.199 come on, guys. 1623 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:53.119 Like. 1624 01:26:54.680 --> 01:26:56.159 You can't put a gun in his hand. 1625 01:26:56.039 --> 01:26:58.199 You know, I know, I know, and then it's just 1626 01:26:58.840 --> 01:27:01.159 puts it that much at a more at a distance 1627 01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.239 for us in our brains. And also, man, you could 1628 01:27:04.279 --> 01:27:05.279 save so much money. 1629 01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:09.800 Yeah, it's weird, right, Like we're talking right now in 1630 01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:12.640 the in the context of the Odyssey just having an 1631 01:27:12.680 --> 01:27:18.239 astonishing opening weekend, right, And I think unconsciously what people 1632 01:27:18.279 --> 01:27:21.560 are responding to is just hey, it's real, it looks 1633 01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:28.079 real and there you know, there is a drive for 1634 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:31.000 more of that, and I hope that that'll manifest, you know, 1635 01:27:31.399 --> 01:27:33.479 I think it's funny. Oh yeah, it's so good just 1636 01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:36.439 to finish the thought. You know, one thing that we've 1637 01:27:36.479 --> 01:27:38.720 seen a lot of in the footage band the scenes 1638 01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:41.279 footage of Spider Man brand New Day is like a 1639 01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:43.800 real guy swinging from a harness or whatever. 1640 01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:46.800 Yeah, I'm excited to see that exactly. 1641 01:27:46.359 --> 01:27:47.920 And I think people are going to respond well to that. 1642 01:27:47.960 --> 01:27:49.760 I mean, we know, we're not stupid obvious. There's going 1643 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:53.000 to be a lot of cgi web swinging, but enough 1644 01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:56.000 of it hopefully will be a real guy really swinging. 1645 01:27:56.319 --> 01:27:59.319 Blend it, yeah, and learn from Jurassic Park in nineteen 1646 01:27:59.359 --> 01:28:02.279 ninety three exactly. But I was gonna say, you know, 1647 01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:06.000 your son after seeing The Odyssey posted peak Nolan. 1648 01:28:07.159 --> 01:28:09.840 He said, peak, peak movie, peak movie. 1649 01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:13.840 Okay, And then I have another friend whose son saw 1650 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:17.439 The Odyssey and said best movie I've ever seen. And 1651 01:28:17.479 --> 01:28:23.039 I'm like, maybe like late teens. I mean, you think 1652 01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:26.800 about what they've grown up watching everything looking a certain way, 1653 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:28.800 and then they see this and go, holy crap. 1654 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:33.760 Yeah, like this is you know, a whole different level 1655 01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:35.199 of experience. 1656 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:39.399 And it's funny because it's using old school techniques in 1657 01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:41.199 a lot of ways. Not every way, but in a 1658 01:28:41.199 --> 01:28:43.199 lot of ways. It's the blend. It's the blend. 1659 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:43.920 That's what. 1660 01:28:44.279 --> 01:28:47.520 Nothing wrong with visual effects, just employ them. 1661 01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:52.720 Here's the thing. Wisely, look at Fellowship of the Ring, right, 1662 01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:55.720 you have the sequence in the minds of Moria and 1663 01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:57.520 the ball rog and all that, and it's like, well, 1664 01:28:57.600 --> 01:29:00.159 obviously you have to use digital effects. 1665 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:01.079 Right, course of course. 1666 01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:05.199 But immediately after that sequence when they think Gandalf is dead, 1667 01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:08.840 what is equally, if not more effective, is when they're 1668 01:29:08.880 --> 01:29:11.000 we see them for real on the mountain side as 1669 01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:15.520 they're mourning, you know what I'm talking about, When Eric 1670 01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:17.399 Gorarn's like get them up, you know, and it's like, 1671 01:29:17.640 --> 01:29:20.560 how much how much of our reaction to that is 1672 01:29:20.720 --> 01:29:23.039 looking at that scene ending that's that's a real Those 1673 01:29:23.039 --> 01:29:26.199 are real actors on a real mountain, as opposed to 1674 01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:27.800 shooting them against a green backdrop. 1675 01:29:28.119 --> 01:29:30.640 Yeah, you know, I really do think it goes a 1676 01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:31.079 long way. 1677 01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:32.600 Yeah. 1678 01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:34.720 By the way, our aunt May's pants getting higher and 1679 01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:38.760 higher as this movie goes along. I thought the same 1680 01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:41.760 thing last night, and then it caught my attention here again. 1681 01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:44.279 I'm like, I think they're like eventually gonna take over 1682 01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:45.000 her whole body. 1683 01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:50.920 Now, we talked right past that Tony Stark sequence when 1684 01:29:50.920 --> 01:29:52.920 he says, you know, if you're nothing without the suit, 1685 01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:55.479 then you don't deserve it, or something to that fact. 1686 01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:58.520 I'm like, what a dick thing for Tony Stark, of 1687 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:02.079 all people to say to a little Ki. You know, 1688 01:30:02.119 --> 01:30:02.560 it's funny. 1689 01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:04.159 I didn't actually expect you to say that, because that's 1690 01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:06.000 sort of what he learns in Nron Man three, isn't it. 1691 01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:09.359 I mean, maybe it's the execution because it's not a 1692 01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:12.319 terrible message, like you shouldn't Spider You're not you know, 1693 01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:14.800 you don't. All these gizmos don't make you. Those aren't 1694 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:17.720 your core strengths. That's not what makes you the best 1695 01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:19.560 Spider Man. You can be, or the best Peter Park 1696 01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:21.159 you can be. But maybe it's the way he says it. 1697 01:30:22.039 --> 01:30:24.680 Here's the thing, you can't be an absentee father and 1698 01:30:24.720 --> 01:30:28.640 then swoop in with like task master discipline, you know 1699 01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:29.159 what I'm saying. 1700 01:30:29.359 --> 01:30:31.600 Yeah, sure, sure, sure, like. 1701 01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:36.000 Tony Stark would would have the standing to say that 1702 01:30:36.159 --> 01:30:41.640 if he was in any way responding to Peter's clear 1703 01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:45.840 need for some kind of parental validation from Tony Stark. 1704 01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:50.279 Yes, if it was given more as advice rather than 1705 01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:53.039 like a talking to exactly something. 1706 01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:56.880 Yeah you know. Okay, So so I remember seeing this 1707 01:30:56.920 --> 01:31:00.000 in the theater. The Peter opens that or Peter knocks 1708 01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:04.359 on the door opens and there's Adrian Toombs. Man. I 1709 01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:11.720 remember the audience being like, fantastic twist, so great, yep, yep, 1710 01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:13.279 all these years later, that's a twist. 1711 01:31:13.279 --> 01:31:15.439 I remember feeling in the theater. 1712 01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:18.800 Great freaking Keaton man, he is so good. 1713 01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:23.920 Yeah right, that's that's what I mean. This is the 1714 01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:26.800 thing that I think, although I love like Wazamo and 1715 01:31:26.840 --> 01:31:29.840 even Lynn mill Manuel Miranda when he does his thing, 1716 01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:33.640 but like they don't have this yeah, like I don't 1717 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:35.880 know about this guy kind of thing behind the eyes 1718 01:31:36.479 --> 01:31:39.079 you know, like he seems nice, but he also feels 1719 01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:41.159 like he could turn if I'm not caring. 1720 01:31:41.279 --> 01:31:47.079 I also love the subtlety with Tom Hollands's performance here 1721 01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:51.000 where he's not doing like yeah, you know, it's just 1722 01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:54.439 this like like what what do I do? You know? 1723 01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:56.920 Yeah, it looks I mean looking at that that expression. 1724 01:31:56.960 --> 01:31:58.000 That's amazing. 1725 01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:01.239 What's great about this scene? You can watch this and 1726 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:06.760 you can feel yourself getting flushed. Yes, you know, and 1727 01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:08.960 I love them. It's such a great like you know, 1728 01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:13.439 it's the metaphor, right, you meet the girl's father and 1729 01:32:13.520 --> 01:32:14.399 what's that going to be? 1730 01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:14.600 Like? 1731 01:32:14.840 --> 01:32:18.159 Right, You're worried he's going to have it in for you? 1732 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:21.600 What if he actually does want to kill you? Exactly? 1733 01:32:21.760 --> 01:32:26.279 Yeah, it's so great, you know, just for as bouncy 1734 01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:29.119 and comedic as he can be earlier in this movie, 1735 01:32:29.159 --> 01:32:31.520 I just feel the acting is so good. There that 1736 01:32:31.560 --> 01:32:34.479 feeling when you learn there's a bomb drop, You learn 1737 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:37.039 some bit of information and you're just processing it and 1738 01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:39.439 you don't want the other people around you to know 1739 01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:41.520 that you're processing. You try to hide it behind a 1740 01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:44.520 smile or something, but you can't. It's just too much. 1741 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:49.239 He's playing that so well yeah. 1742 01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:52.880 I mean it tells you something that this scene right here, 1743 01:32:54.119 --> 01:32:59.520 as Tombs is cracking the code here, mm hmmm, hmm. 1744 01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:02.119 I mean it's one of my favorite scenes in the 1745 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:05.079 entire MCU. And it's fun too. 1746 01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:08.439 The staging in the car as he's driving them, because 1747 01:33:08.439 --> 01:33:10.520 it could be there in a diner, face to face 1748 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:13.159 and sort of reading each other's faces, but they're not. 1749 01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:14.640 He has to kind of look in his rear view 1750 01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:17.399 mirror and talk over his shoulder, and as he's figuring 1751 01:33:17.439 --> 01:33:18.239 it out, it's okay. 1752 01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:21.960 What's funny is this scene is very similar to one 1753 01:33:22.039 --> 01:33:24.039 in the in the first Sam or Amy film, right 1754 01:33:24.079 --> 01:33:29.079 where Norman Osborne figures out that that Peter is Spider Man. Yes, right, 1755 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:32.159 and that scene is well done too. That's very like 1756 01:33:32.359 --> 01:33:33.960 this is. It's not like a better worse thing, but 1757 01:33:34.000 --> 01:33:35.760 it's just, you know, it's funny how you can have 1758 01:33:36.600 --> 01:33:41.079 entirely different cinematic approaches to a very similar story beat 1759 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:45.159 and it's just sort of letting different filmmakers do their 1760 01:33:45.159 --> 01:33:46.079 interpretation of that. 1761 01:33:46.399 --> 01:33:52.720 Yeah, and poor Liz here just it's like you feel 1762 01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:54.319 so bad first heading to homecoming. 1763 01:33:57.720 --> 01:34:02.760 Yeah, this like where you just the light is gradually 1764 01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:08.520 turning on for for tombs, you know, yeah, good old 1765 01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:12.079 spider Man when he says that it's great. 1766 01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:17.479 But I mean, this is the edge that I talk about, 1767 01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:20.239 you know, that he's got. That's why Burton wanted him 1768 01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:22.479 for Bruce Wayne and Batman and eighty nine. And no 1769 01:34:22.520 --> 01:34:24.439 one understood it, but Tim Burton saw it. 1770 01:34:25.600 --> 01:34:28.600 That's you know, we talk about this, We talk about 1771 01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:30.479 this a lot. How you and I were both like 1772 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:34.239 our our really first exposure to Michael Keaton was Batman 1773 01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:37.399 to a large extent. Yeah, and so we missed all 1774 01:34:37.479 --> 01:34:44.399 the the controversy except retrospectively, you know. And so I'm 1775 01:34:44.520 --> 01:34:46.399 I'm I'm kind of like, I'm glad I was that 1776 01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:48.000 age where I was just able to be like, well, 1777 01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:50.079 of course he's Batman. He's a great Batman, you. 1778 01:34:50.039 --> 01:34:56.439 Know, right exactly. Yeah, but Burton saw there's something behind 1779 01:34:56.479 --> 01:35:01.279 the eyes, something a little well menace if it wanted. 1780 01:35:01.039 --> 01:35:03.800 To be well, I think I think it tells you 1781 01:35:03.880 --> 01:35:09.039 something that what you realize is Keaton, who was a 1782 01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:11.720 great Batman, would also have been a great joker. 1783 01:35:12.920 --> 01:35:16.079 I can see it, right, Yeah, I could see it. 1784 01:35:16.079 --> 01:35:20.840 That's a good point. This is kind of scary too. Hey, Peter, 1785 01:35:20.880 --> 01:35:24.560 whyn't just stay back for a second. Yeah, but like 1786 01:35:24.600 --> 01:35:26.720 you said, that feels like a moment. You can imagine 1787 01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:28.960 in high school a dad saying that to you, a 1788 01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:39.279 girlfriend's dad, and you're like, uh, okay, okay, uh huh. 1789 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:39.279 That's what's great. I mean, I think that when we 1790 01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:42.119 when we get to the heart of Spider Man's appeal, 1791 01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:45.600 which I mean it truly is evergreen, it comes down 1792 01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:50.439 to there is a relatability to it, right, and and 1793 01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:52.479 I think I think this is something Marvel heroes have 1794 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:56.079 done well from the start, which is finding some kind 1795 01:35:56.079 --> 01:35:58.680 of vulnerability that everybody can plug into. But it's like 1796 01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:02.239 you know, with with Iron Man, for example, even from 1797 01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:04.079 the beginning, right initially it was like he has to 1798 01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:06.800 wear this arm or chest plate otherwise he'll die. And 1799 01:36:06.840 --> 01:36:08.760 you know the movies they made it the Arc Reactor, 1800 01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:15.079 but you have the relatability is a lot more challenging 1801 01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:17.119 because he's a billionaire and he's this and that, you know, 1802 01:36:17.159 --> 01:36:20.239 so he's more of a wish fulfillment character. I think 1803 01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:22.560 Captain America, you're like, man, I wish I was as 1804 01:36:22.640 --> 01:36:28.720 good as Captain America, right, Whereas I think I think 1805 01:36:28.720 --> 01:36:30.800 with Spider Man, It's like again, you know, this is 1806 01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:33.560 a Spider Verse films, did it right? Anybody can wear 1807 01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:37.800 that mask totally and that and that's why his appeal. 1808 01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:41.479 It's astonishing to me because now you know, I've got 1809 01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:46.159 my oldest is almost twenty, my youngest is two. They 1810 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:47.079 all love Spider Man. 1811 01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:51.560 Yeah, it's amazing, you know. Yeah, yeah, he's he's easy too, 1812 01:36:52.359 --> 01:36:56.119 easier to imagine, you know, wish fulfillment wise. 1813 01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:58.239 Yeah, like you know, what would it what it would 1814 01:36:58.239 --> 01:36:59.560 be like if I were in his shoes? 1815 01:37:02.479 --> 01:37:03.840 And how do you go back from this? I mean, 1816 01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:05.600 that's what I'd be worried about. Like he's letting me 1817 01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:08.560 out of the car, but like I don't know. Yeah's 1818 01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:10.560 how do we move forward from this? 1819 01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:14.800 That's I mean, that's the you know, Dad is like, 1820 01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:19.399 just just walk away, just go to the dance and 1821 01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:22.399 pretend none of this happened, right, And and you know 1822 01:37:22.520 --> 01:37:25.640 Peter's innate sense of good is like, well, I know 1823 01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.359 something wrong is happening. I can't look the other way. 1824 01:37:29.439 --> 01:37:31.920 Even though this moment right here, which is all he's 1825 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:34.000 wanted is to go to the dance with the girl, 1826 01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:36.119 it means I have to throw that away. 1827 01:37:36.600 --> 01:37:40.439 Yeah, I mean that's great, well, and they're always so 1828 01:37:40.680 --> 01:37:44.520 painful to watch, right or even back to the decathlon, 1829 01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:46.560 where it's like she wants him to be there, she's 1830 01:37:46.560 --> 01:37:50.680 happy he's there, and then he's just called away and 1831 01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:53.600 can't be there. So there's that Oh but she doesn't know, 1832 01:37:53.720 --> 01:37:56.000 she can't understand, but he's got to do this and 1833 01:37:56.039 --> 01:37:56.600 that stuff all. 1834 01:37:56.640 --> 01:37:59.920 I mean, that's the thing, right, like this, especially being 1835 01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:02.600 this age, you know, high school, all you want is 1836 01:38:02.640 --> 01:38:04.880 to be acknowledged by the by the person you like, 1837 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:11.079 right and and to have it almost there and then 1838 01:38:11.199 --> 01:38:13.920 just just something I'm always keeping keeping it at arm's length. 1839 01:38:13.720 --> 01:38:17.479 You know, and you can't explain it to the person. 1840 01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:23.800 I think. I really love the choice story choice of 1841 01:38:23.960 --> 01:38:27.560 you know, you have Peter lose his super suit before 1842 01:38:27.600 --> 01:38:30.640 the third act, and so you know he has to 1843 01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:35.239 he has to do his thing with this DIY suit 1844 01:38:35.279 --> 01:38:36.079 that he put together. 1845 01:38:36.439 --> 01:38:40.359 Yeah, back to basics, you know, Yeah, is this based 1846 01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:42.920 on something? Because this is sort of what he looks 1847 01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:45.039 like in the REMI one right when he does the 1848 01:38:45.079 --> 01:38:46.399 wrestling match kind of. 1849 01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:51.239 Look yeah, yeah, you know what, well, I think the 1850 01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:54.439 suit vaguely to me, it resembles you know, for a 1851 01:38:54.439 --> 01:38:57.640 while there there was a Spider Man clone named Ben Riley, 1852 01:38:58.399 --> 01:39:02.600 who who he he. I don't know if the character 1853 01:39:03.000 --> 01:39:06.079 is around anymore, but at the time he was a 1854 01:39:06.159 --> 01:39:08.760 character called the Scarlet Spider and he wore like a 1855 01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:11.760 blue hoodie and a red mass very similar to this, 1856 01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:14.439 you know. Interesting, So I wonder if this is inspired 1857 01:39:14.439 --> 01:39:18.319 by that in a sense. Yeah, there was a in 1858 01:39:18.680 --> 01:39:22.279 the mid nineties, there was a clone saga that lasted 1859 01:39:22.319 --> 01:39:26.039 for Frickin' ever where basically there was a Spider Man 1860 01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:29.479 clone who had been revealed like twenty years earlier, who 1861 01:39:29.520 --> 01:39:31.880 they did a twist and said, actually, the clone is 1862 01:39:31.880 --> 01:39:34.319 the real Spider Man, and the guy we've been following 1863 01:39:34.359 --> 01:39:39.560 since the mid seventies, that's a clone. And so you 1864 01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:43.000 can imagine audiences did not take all to that right now, 1865 01:39:43.800 --> 01:39:45.800 so that what they tried to do was basically just 1866 01:39:45.840 --> 01:39:48.720 move Peter and MJ off the seat, off the stage 1867 01:39:48.720 --> 01:39:51.520 and say, okay, Ben Riley, the clone, the guy we 1868 01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:53.399 thought is the clone is the real guy, and so 1869 01:39:53.600 --> 01:39:55.920 he's he's Spider Man now, this is who we're following. 1870 01:39:57.199 --> 01:39:59.680 And I remember as a kid being like, well they 1871 01:39:59.720 --> 01:40:02.279 are going to undo this. I was like a sophomore 1872 01:40:02.279 --> 01:40:02.920 in high school. 1873 01:40:03.079 --> 01:40:06.439 That's like arm in Tanzanian very much. That's like an 1874 01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:08.640 episode that a lot of people say broke the Simpsons. 1875 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:11.159 Yeah, well, I mean a lot of people say the 1876 01:40:11.159 --> 01:40:13.319 Clone saga broke Spider Man. So about a year or 1877 01:40:13.359 --> 01:40:15.800 so later they basically, oh, it turns out we were wrong. 1878 01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:18.199 The guy we thought was the real guy is actually 1879 01:40:18.199 --> 01:40:20.000 the Clone. And look he's turned to a pile of dust. 1880 01:40:20.039 --> 01:40:22.159 He's actually the Clone, and Spider Man is back, and 1881 01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:23.960 please keep keep reading. 1882 01:40:28.119 --> 01:40:29.800 Yeah, I don't know how anyone could ever think that 1883 01:40:29.800 --> 01:40:33.520 that would make people happy. Weird, right, the guy you 1884 01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:35.520 love isn't the guy you thought he was. Is this 1885 01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:38.600 guy instead? Me, Jeff, he's the guy you love now? 1886 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:42.600 Like what I mean? Really, it is fascinating. I mean again, 1887 01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:45.079 as I was in high school at the time, I 1888 01:40:45.159 --> 01:40:47.000 was like, there's no way this is going to last. 1889 01:40:48.119 --> 01:40:50.319 So I literally I just kept reading because I was like, well, 1890 01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:52.319 I'm you know, they're gonna have to undo it. I'll 1891 01:40:52.319 --> 01:40:54.079 just stick around until they do kind of thing, you know. 1892 01:40:54.359 --> 01:40:57.680 Yeah, this is kind of cute too, by the way, 1893 01:40:57.760 --> 01:40:59.800 him fifteen year old driving a car and he's not 1894 01:40:59.840 --> 01:41:03.000 very good. Yeah, did you see the license plate by 1895 01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:08.439 the way, it says Flash driving, Flash Drive. Yeah, that's funny, clever, 1896 01:41:09.319 --> 01:41:10.079 what are we gonna say? 1897 01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:13.399 No. I love the shot where where he lands on 1898 01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:14.960 the hood and he's like I need your car and 1899 01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:17.279 Flash is like, well sir, actually, and then we just 1900 01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:18.960 cut to him standing there's the cars. 1901 01:41:22.079 --> 01:41:24.079 Yeah, and then of course we get ned as the 1902 01:41:24.119 --> 01:41:26.359 guy in the chair, Guy in the chair, where he's 1903 01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:27.119 always wanted to be. 1904 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:29.359 Some people want to be the hero, some people want 1905 01:41:29.399 --> 01:41:31.000 to be the guy in the chair, and. 1906 01:41:30.920 --> 01:41:33.119 They give him some good business. He's got to field 1907 01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:35.279 a phone call and he's gotta look this thing. 1908 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:36.880 Up for Peter's great. 1909 01:41:37.000 --> 01:41:39.600 So seeing him bounce back and forth between the different 1910 01:41:39.600 --> 01:41:41.760 computers he's got the headset on and then he does 1911 01:41:41.760 --> 01:41:45.680 that little spin, that little twirl of joy, like, ah, 1912 01:41:45.720 --> 01:41:46.560 it's very funny. 1913 01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:49.560 It's funny because because the guy in the chair thing 1914 01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:53.359 became such a trope with all of the you know, 1915 01:41:53.439 --> 01:41:55.279 like the c W when they were doing all those 1916 01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:59.479 DC shows, where it became very tired where it's literally 1917 01:41:59.479 --> 01:42:01.359 you've just got a guy like okay, you know, like 1918 01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:03.239 on the Flash like Okay, Barry, you got to go 1919 01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:05.359 in here, and I'm pulling up the en. It's like, guys, 1920 01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:08.680 let's these heroes need to figure shit out on their own. 1921 01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:12.560 That's a good point, yeah, you know. Yeah, like even 1922 01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:16.920 if you think about it, right, like like Alfred now 1923 01:42:17.119 --> 01:42:19.479 and has effectively become the guy in the chair for 1924 01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:22.159 that true, Yeah right, it didn't used to be that way. No, 1925 01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:32.000 you know, Alfred made him soup and it's concerned yeah 1926 01:42:32.560 --> 01:42:37.960 the extent. Yeah, yeah, that's right. You know. It makes 1927 01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:38.359 me think. 1928 01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:40.439 A fun twist on the guy in the chair is 1929 01:42:40.439 --> 01:42:43.239 in the Matrix series, right where you've got the guy 1930 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:45.800 reading all the readouts and trying to find telephones. All right, 1931 01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:48.640 there's a phone over here, take this route. 1932 01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:52.880 That Actually there's like story utility. Yeah yeah, totally as 1933 01:42:52.880 --> 01:43:01.840 opposed to what starts to feel very very lazy. Yeah yeah, 1934 01:43:01.960 --> 01:43:02.319 I don't know. 1935 01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:05.720 Maybe it's just because I've had to meet high school girlfriends, 1936 01:43:05.840 --> 01:43:08.119 dads and things like that, and I still remember that feeling. 1937 01:43:08.119 --> 01:43:11.199 But there's something extra uncomfortable to him having to confront 1938 01:43:11.479 --> 01:43:13.840 confront him here in the squarehouse. 1939 01:43:13.880 --> 01:43:14.079 You know. 1940 01:43:14.439 --> 01:43:16.439 Yeah, I can see why Liz likes you, but you know, 1941 01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:22.520 this conversation isn't going to go well, good relatable human 1942 01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:25.199 discomfort on top of the superhero aspects of it. 1943 01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:30.239 Yeah. Well, I think it's very telling that that at 1944 01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:32.760 the time this movie came out, I mean right away, 1945 01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:37.920 people were like, oh, Keaton is up there among MCU villains. Definitely, right, 1946 01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:41.680 because because there was a general sense that that other 1947 01:43:41.760 --> 01:43:47.640 than your lokey and you're gosh, you're low key you know, yeah, 1948 01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:51.039 none of the villains really stood out. Yeah. 1949 01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:53.960 Well, he plays a big part in the life of 1950 01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:54.840 our character. 1951 01:43:55.760 --> 01:44:02.800 Yeah, I mean that that was something that Raimi I think, 1952 01:44:03.159 --> 01:44:05.439 very similar to what Rami did in his films, right 1953 01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:08.960 where he was always like, what what what is Peter 1954 01:44:09.039 --> 01:44:13.600 Parker's journeying this movie? And how does our villain facilitate that? Totally? 1955 01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:17.840 And we see that certainly. I mean that's why doc Oc, 1956 01:44:17.920 --> 01:44:20.960 I think, is generally considered the best of those villains. 1957 01:44:20.600 --> 01:44:25.319 You know exactly, Yeah, you know, big part of his life, yeah, exactly, 1958 01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:30.359 great actor. Also, Yeah, it's funny because because all three, 1959 01:44:30.399 --> 01:44:33.319 I mean, notwithstanding Tilford Grace has Venom, which I don't 1960 01:44:33.319 --> 01:44:38.560 think anybody would say worked, but like Thomas Hayden Church 1961 01:44:38.640 --> 01:44:41.600 as Sandman, I mean he's so good, Like. 1962 01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:43.840 I mean, you know that the movie is what it is. 1963 01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:47.199 But like Thomas aiden Church is not a problem with 1964 01:44:47.279 --> 01:44:51.079 that movie. Yeah, yeah, you know, And and it's because 1965 01:44:51.079 --> 01:44:54.319 they're he gives a humanity to him, right, And I 1966 01:44:54.600 --> 01:44:57.000 think that's what Keaton does with with Toombs here, you know, 1967 01:44:57.199 --> 01:44:59.960 I mean, he gives Toms more dimensionality than I was 1968 01:45:00.159 --> 01:45:03.439 the character and the comics ever got interesting, you know. 1969 01:45:03.960 --> 01:45:06.920 Yeah, thinking of Thomas Hayden Church, I'm used to the 1970 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:10.079 producers cut now with Spider Man three, and he's all right, 1971 01:45:10.239 --> 01:45:12.079 extra scenes that I think go a long way. 1972 01:45:12.600 --> 01:45:17.039 Yeah, yeah, I mean just just from the beginning, right, 1973 01:45:17.119 --> 01:45:19.960 He's like, I'm not a bad man. I just did 1974 01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:22.359 a bad thing or something to that effect, right, and 1975 01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:24.640 he's just he gives it such like pathos. 1976 01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:27.880 Yeah, and going back to what we were saying about Tombs, 1977 01:45:27.920 --> 01:45:31.199 even in this speech right here, he's like, you know, 1978 01:45:31.800 --> 01:45:35.279 Parker's like, you can't sell these these weapons, and Toombs 1979 01:45:35.399 --> 01:45:37.520 is like, how do you think your your buddy Stark 1980 01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:40.039 made all his money, you know, built that Adventures tower? 1981 01:45:41.319 --> 01:45:45.079 Yeah exactly. Yeah. 1982 01:45:45.159 --> 01:45:47.319 Now, this I guess comes from the comic here. All 1983 01:45:47.319 --> 01:45:49.000 this rubble on top of Peter. 1984 01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:54.279 Scene, Yeah, that's right. It well, it's inspired by a 1985 01:45:54.319 --> 01:45:57.399 specific it was. It was one of the lead Ditko 1986 01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:01.119 issues where yeah, he's I think the villain is doc 1987 01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:05.159 Ock in that one, but yeah, it's it's kind of 1988 01:46:05.199 --> 01:46:07.239 the same drill. He's just I mean, this is like 1989 01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:10.680 several pages in this issue of Peter of Spider Man, 1990 01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:13.399 just you know, underneath this thing and he's just trying 1991 01:46:13.399 --> 01:46:15.560 to all of his guilt and all of his angst 1992 01:46:15.600 --> 01:46:17.359 and everything, trying to work through this thing that he's 1993 01:46:17.439 --> 01:46:19.319 just not able to do, and then he finds the 1994 01:46:19.359 --> 01:46:23.399 will to do it. And I think this evokes that 1995 01:46:23.600 --> 01:46:25.640 very well. First of all, I want to say his 1996 01:46:26.279 --> 01:46:28.399 just how pitiful he sounds where he's like, please help, 1997 01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:29.000 I'm stuck. 1998 01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:31.760 I know, he sounds like a right, like a boy, 1999 01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:33.239 just a little. 2000 01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:36.399 Child, you know. But then that moment when he sees, 2001 01:46:36.560 --> 01:46:37.880 you know, the reflection of the mask and he says, 2002 01:46:37.880 --> 01:46:40.359 if you're not, if you're nobody without the suit, then 2003 01:46:40.359 --> 01:46:42.279 you don't deserve it. So it turns out Tony was 2004 01:46:42.359 --> 01:46:46.199 right maybe for his sie that I mean, it's good advice, 2005 01:46:47.159 --> 01:46:51.399 just he was conveyed was not ideal, yeah exactly. 2006 01:46:52.079 --> 01:46:53.760 Yeah, but yeah that was really it was making me 2007 01:46:53.840 --> 01:46:58.159 uncomfortable in a good way hearing him, Yeah, just cry 2008 01:46:58.239 --> 01:47:01.239 out sort of pitifully and pain and look up, boy, 2009 01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:03.880 I want to help him. And that's that's why I 2010 01:47:03.880 --> 01:47:07.119 think this version of Spider Man resonated with so many people. 2011 01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:11.319 You just you're really you're on board with him immediately, yeah, 2012 01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:12.880 which is kind of amazing when you think about it. 2013 01:47:12.880 --> 01:47:14.840 There's a lot of pressure on this movie. It's like, Okay, 2014 01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:18.199 MCU finally has Spider Man, after all, that what everybody wanted, 2015 01:47:18.680 --> 01:47:21.439 and then you have to deliver. You got to cast him, right, 2016 01:47:21.479 --> 01:47:22.880 you got to come up with a great movie that 2017 01:47:22.920 --> 01:47:26.479 feels like see, we knew it would be best in 2018 01:47:26.560 --> 01:47:27.119 our hands. 2019 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:30.159 Like that's a lot of pressure. I mean. The thing 2020 01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:32.560 of it is, yeah, because this movie ended up doing 2021 01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:35.960 something something north of eight hundred million. Yep, so it 2022 01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:36.600 did all right. 2023 01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:39.600 But you know almost nine hundred Yeah. 2024 01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:44.600 There you go. So so a clear success. And obviously 2025 01:47:44.760 --> 01:47:49.640 given everything that, all the ways the MCU has benefited 2026 01:47:49.640 --> 01:47:51.800 from having Spidey in it, I'm glad everything went the 2027 01:47:51.800 --> 01:47:57.159 way it did, right, and yet amazing Spider Man two 2028 01:47:57.520 --> 01:47:59.920 was not such a calamity that they needed to torch 2029 01:48:00.199 --> 01:48:02.000 joint for the insurance money, you know what I mean? 2030 01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:05.840 Sure like they could have just come back a couple 2031 01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:08.279 of years later and just made adjustments. People would have 2032 01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:10.319 turned up because people watch Spider Man movies. 2033 01:48:10.359 --> 01:48:14.119 They all do well, right, Yeah. 2034 01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:19.279 It's just I'm I'm fascinated by the jumpiness that these 2035 01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:22.800 studios have where they're unwilling to sort of like stick 2036 01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:24.840 with something, you know. 2037 01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:28.600 I gotta say though, and I'm not going to be 2038 01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:30.359 able to express this well, but I hope you understand 2039 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:33.840 what I'm saying. I don't feel as cozy in the 2040 01:48:33.920 --> 01:48:37.720 Amazing Spider Man universe as I do in this one, 2041 01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:39.680 or as I do in the Raimy one. And I 2042 01:48:39.720 --> 01:48:42.600 don't know what it is about that version that didn't 2043 01:48:42.600 --> 01:48:44.159 make me feel as cozy. 2044 01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:46.920 Well, I think part of it is just longevity, honestly. 2045 01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:50.000 I mean we're talking ten ten years now, right, I guess. 2046 01:48:50.079 --> 01:48:52.720 But even watching them like and I like Andrew Garfield, 2047 01:48:52.760 --> 01:48:54.720 I like am a Stone, I like, but I just 2048 01:48:54.840 --> 01:48:59.239 never quite I don't know something about it didn't connect 2049 01:48:59.239 --> 01:49:02.880 with me as strong as this version did in the previous. 2050 01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:04.680 Person like, well, I'm with you in this sense that, 2051 01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:06.239 like I said, I mean, I think I think this 2052 01:49:06.319 --> 01:49:10.119 is one of those alls. Well that ends well situations. Yeah. However, 2053 01:49:11.720 --> 01:49:15.119 I never had a problem with Andrew Garfield as Spider Man, right, 2054 01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:18.520 So I was like, well you got that part right, yes, 2055 01:49:19.199 --> 01:49:22.319 So okay, the stuff that isn't working, just just make 2056 01:49:22.479 --> 01:49:26.079 make adjustments on the fly. Yeah, everything around him. Yeah right, 2057 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:28.600 And so I you know, because that's just how it 2058 01:49:28.720 --> 01:49:34.039 used to be. Yeah, you know, it's it's like Roger 2059 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:37.439 Moore as James Bond didn't really click until his third movie, 2060 01:49:37.600 --> 01:49:40.239 you know, and there was a time when you would 2061 01:49:40.279 --> 01:49:43.000 sort of give people the rope to do that. I see. 2062 01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:46.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, definitely. You know, he's great. 2063 01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:48.439 I mean I like him in all sorts of things. 2064 01:49:48.479 --> 01:49:52.399 So yeah, and as we said earlier, like I'm glad 2065 01:49:52.439 --> 01:49:54.920 he sort of got to come back and tie a 2066 01:49:54.920 --> 01:49:56.880 bow around his experience where if he never puts on 2067 01:49:56.880 --> 01:49:59.279 the Spider suit again, at least he has he gets 2068 01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:02.880 to say. You know, it culminated as in something. 2069 01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:05.399 You know, he got to shine a Spider Man and 2070 01:50:05.439 --> 01:50:06.239 have the world. 2071 01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:07.520 Love him exactly. 2072 01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:10.239 You know what was it at the end with her 2073 01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:12.399 figuring out You're like, I'm Spider number one, number two, 2074 01:50:12.439 --> 01:50:13.880 and he's like I'm number. 2075 01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:17.239 Three, you know. Yeah, Peter three. Yeah, it's so funny. 2076 01:50:19.840 --> 01:50:21.760 They can play he can play with that a little 2077 01:50:21.800 --> 01:50:23.760 bit on a metal level, and we love him for it, 2078 01:50:23.920 --> 01:50:25.479 you know, we like, do we love him more now? 2079 01:50:26.560 --> 01:50:28.680 And I just want to say, I mean, at this point, 2080 01:50:28.760 --> 01:50:33.199 you know, I've met Andrew Garfield twice now, wow, one 2081 01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:35.560 of which was in fall of twenty fifteen, so very 2082 01:50:35.560 --> 01:50:38.199 shortly after it was announced that he wasn't going to 2083 01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:42.039 be playing you know, Spider Man anymore. And I was like, 2084 01:50:42.079 --> 01:50:48.600 how's that feel. That's gotta hurt? No, actually I asked him. 2085 01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:50.720 I was like, I wanted to ask a Spider Man question, 2086 01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:51.760 but I was like, what's the way to do it? 2087 01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:53.199 And so I, you know, I mentioned that. You know, 2088 01:50:53.239 --> 01:50:56.560 he in twenty twelve, he showed up at San Diego 2089 01:50:56.560 --> 01:50:59.319 Comic Con wearing like a like a homemade Spider Man suit, 2090 01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:01.880 and remember that and then and then it was a 2091 01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:03.640 big surprise moment. He pulls his mask off and he 2092 01:51:03.640 --> 01:51:05.399 talks about how much Spider Man means him and so, 2093 01:51:05.479 --> 01:51:08.039 you know, I actually play that video in my classes 2094 01:51:08.319 --> 01:51:11.760 as an example of a tribute speech, and so I 2095 01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:13.039 mentioned that to him. I was like, you know, you 2096 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:14.920 did that video and you know you talked about how 2097 01:51:15.000 --> 01:51:16.720 much Spider Man meant you growing up. I was like, 2098 01:51:16.840 --> 01:51:18.920 what did you learn from having been Spider Man? And 2099 01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:21.720 then he you know, he spoke very articulately and he said, 2100 01:51:21.760 --> 01:51:24.319 he said that video, that moment was like the highlight 2101 01:51:24.359 --> 01:51:25.640 of the whole thing for him. And I said, you know, 2102 01:51:25.680 --> 01:51:28.520 I played that video in my classes and he was 2103 01:51:28.720 --> 01:51:32.960 very moved, like genuinely moved. Yeah, and he's like, oh my, 2104 01:51:33.359 --> 01:51:37.159 he's like, you know, and he and you know, we 2105 01:51:37.199 --> 01:51:38.680 talked a little bit further. I got a picture of him, 2106 01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:40.119 and then he said as we were parting, I shook 2107 01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:41.079 his hands. He's like, you know, I just want you 2108 01:51:41.079 --> 01:51:42.399 to know you you gave me a gift. I want 2109 01:51:42.439 --> 01:51:45.600 you to know that. Ah right. So that's twenty fifteen. 2110 01:51:45.640 --> 01:51:48.680 And then and then I think twenty seventeen I met 2111 01:51:48.720 --> 01:51:50.439 him again. He came to town for it was like 2112 01:51:50.479 --> 01:51:53.560 a meet and great for a Andy Serkis movie that 2113 01:51:53.680 --> 01:51:56.199 he acted in, and I was like, hi, and drum 2114 01:51:56.239 --> 01:51:57.520 Zachi we met a couple of years ago. He said, 2115 01:51:57.560 --> 01:52:00.239 I remember you gave me that gift. Oh wow, oh 2116 01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:01.920 right wow. 2117 01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:06.159 He even remembers like that is how deeply he was 2118 01:52:06.199 --> 01:52:08.159 by it, like that's that wasn't just a nice thing 2119 01:52:08.199 --> 01:52:09.800 for him to say, it was a gift and. 2120 01:52:09.760 --> 01:52:13.239 He yeah, I remember you gave me that gift. Wow, 2121 01:52:14.720 --> 01:52:19.960 you know that's that's lovely. I know that's out of 2122 01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:22.800 all the many times I've been able to meet, you know, 2123 01:52:22.880 --> 01:52:25.600 some some famous folks, that that was something very special 2124 01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:26.720 for me too. Yeah. 2125 01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:30.359 And you're like, well, you know, as long as you're 2126 01:52:30.399 --> 01:52:32.439 not dating Emma Stone anymore, could you give me your number? 2127 01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:37.039 Cut to me getting tossed out the hotel like jazz. 2128 01:52:44.359 --> 01:52:47.199 Although I met Emma Stone just like the year the 2129 01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:49.279 year before that, that second meeting. 2130 01:52:49.479 --> 01:52:51.800 Now that you say that, I remember that, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2131 01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:54.039 wow that too. 2132 01:52:54.039 --> 01:52:55.680 I remember I was I was trying to get a 2133 01:52:55.720 --> 01:53:01.600 picture and right then my mom kept calling no, so 2134 01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:05.439 with the phone, yeah, the camera, yeah, and so literally 2135 01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:06.920 somebody is trying to take the picture. And then so 2136 01:53:07.079 --> 01:53:09.319 literally she's like, you know, and just give it to me, 2137 01:53:09.640 --> 01:53:18.159 and she took the selfie. Amazing. I was like, mom, 2138 01:53:18.279 --> 01:53:18.880 of all. 2139 01:53:18.720 --> 01:53:22.079 The times, that feels like a very Peter Parker thing, 2140 01:53:22.760 --> 01:53:23.159 very much. 2141 01:53:23.680 --> 01:53:31.199 Yeah, you know, so this here like like Spider Man 2142 01:53:31.199 --> 01:53:33.359 and Coney Island, right, like, that's that's fun. 2143 01:53:33.399 --> 01:53:39.840 That's different totally, totally. Now, I just want the warriors 2144 01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:41.079 to show up and surround. 2145 01:53:40.760 --> 01:53:44.319 Him, come out to play. 2146 01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:50.039 Yeah around here, man, But yeah, I totally agree, like 2147 01:53:50.079 --> 01:53:51.239 different parts of New York. 2148 01:53:53.359 --> 01:53:57.279 Yeah, I mean, like, understandably we associate Spider Man with 2149 01:53:57.279 --> 01:54:01.199 with Manhattan. Yeah, and that's where he's certainly the most 2150 01:54:01.279 --> 01:54:06.600 visually interesting. Yeah, exactly. It's very cinematic, right, but yeah, 2151 01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:09.800 I think finding you know, and that's what they I mean, 2152 01:54:09.840 --> 01:54:11.399 even with the second one, it's like, Okay, let's put 2153 01:54:11.439 --> 01:54:12.960 him in Europe and see how that goes, you know. 2154 01:54:13.279 --> 01:54:16.960 H Yeah, I appreciate the instinct. I think the second 2155 01:54:17.000 --> 01:54:23.520 one is less successful in terms of really like get 2156 01:54:24.000 --> 01:54:26.560 you know, using every part of the buffalo, so to speak. 2157 01:54:27.760 --> 01:54:29.800 Yeah. I remember thinking it was fine, but I don't 2158 01:54:29.840 --> 01:54:31.680 remember a lot about it, if I'm being honest. 2159 01:54:31.920 --> 01:54:34.159 Fine, I mean that's what I think of it. Yeah. 2160 01:54:34.239 --> 01:54:37.079 I think people generally think of that as the weakest 2161 01:54:37.119 --> 01:54:41.000 of the three. Yeah, but I think that's more like 2162 01:54:41.039 --> 01:54:43.600 people really like Spider Man in no way home. Yeah, 2163 01:54:43.760 --> 01:54:45.840 people generally like this, so it's like that sort of 2164 01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:48.239 just gets moved down the pecking order, you know. 2165 01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:51.159 Yeah, Yeah, that. 2166 01:54:51.159 --> 01:54:53.000 Was a fun sequence by the way. We didn't really 2167 01:54:53.079 --> 01:54:58.640 mention it. But with the transporting all the Stark gear 2168 01:54:59.479 --> 01:55:04.199 in that big plane and it's got the cameras that reflect. 2169 01:55:04.279 --> 01:55:06.600 Peter gets a nice little John McLain moment where he's 2170 01:55:06.600 --> 01:55:09.840 like just a regular homecoming Yeah on a plane. Yeah, 2171 01:55:09.920 --> 01:55:13.760 girlfriend's dad's trying to kill me, right, exactly exactly what. 2172 01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:14.479 It's a fun idea. 2173 01:55:14.520 --> 01:55:16.640 The way they make the surface like reflect back what 2174 01:55:16.720 --> 01:55:19.640 it's very traveling past. And then there's that moment where 2175 01:55:19.640 --> 01:55:21.479 he passes the camera and you see him really big 2176 01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:21.720 on it. 2177 01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:26.119 I think that's yeah, it's like reflecting. That's clever. Yeah, 2178 01:55:26.199 --> 01:55:30.359 So we should mention that the Vulture was brought back 2179 01:55:30.600 --> 01:55:33.159 in the MCU, not in the MCU, I should say, 2180 01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:37.680 in the Sony Cinematic Universe of Marvel, or as I 2181 01:55:37.720 --> 01:55:42.880 call it scum. That's my I'm sticking with. 2182 01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:46.560 That, oh man, And it undoes the thing I said 2183 01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:48.960 earlier that I love about the mid credit sequence in 2184 01:55:48.960 --> 01:55:49.279 this one. 2185 01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:50.520 That's right. 2186 01:55:50.680 --> 01:55:53.399 In this one, he's not going to give up Spider 2187 01:55:53.439 --> 01:55:55.840 Man because at the end of the day, he's a dad. 2188 01:55:56.159 --> 01:55:56.520 That's right. 2189 01:55:56.560 --> 01:55:58.039 He's not going to give up a fifteen year old 2190 01:55:58.199 --> 01:56:00.560 like nothing will stand in the way of him and 2191 01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:02.479 his family and him doing what he needs to do. 2192 01:56:02.680 --> 01:56:03.399 So he will do. 2193 01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:06.439 Some dirty deeds in the name of that. But when 2194 01:56:06.520 --> 01:56:08.680 he can't do anything anymore, he's not just going to 2195 01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:10.159 give up Spider Man because he's not. 2196 01:56:10.319 --> 01:56:12.199 Yeah he's not. No, Instead, he's going to go to 2197 01:56:12.279 --> 01:56:16.800 a different universe and go after Spider Man for some reason. 2198 01:56:17.000 --> 01:56:20.560 Yes, So anyway, that's what I love. I think that 2199 01:56:20.600 --> 01:56:22.800 really says something about his character in the middle of 2200 01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:23.960 the credits here, and. 2201 01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:26.159 I think it's respect. You know, Spider Man did save 2202 01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:27.079 his life, yes. 2203 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:30.199 Exactly right. You know that that's why he's an interesting villain. 2204 01:56:31.560 --> 01:56:33.600 But so it's not just him like I must have 2205 01:56:33.720 --> 01:56:35.479 my vengeance, you know, kind of a thing. 2206 01:56:36.399 --> 01:56:39.880 Well, and so we're talking about the Morbius by the way, 2207 01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:42.039 in case people like, well, you know, if you don't 2208 01:56:42.079 --> 01:56:45.479 remember that, that's it's because it's Morbius and you know, uh, 2209 01:56:46.239 --> 01:56:51.520 they use the the the you know, multiverse shenanigans. At 2210 01:56:51.520 --> 01:56:54.159 the end of No Way Home to say, Adrian Tombs 2211 01:56:54.279 --> 01:57:00.000 ends up in the Morbius verse and it's like Adrian Toombs, 2212 01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:01.760 this is in prison for some reason, and now he's 2213 01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:05.279 been Really it's like all eighty r up the yin Yang. Yes, 2214 01:57:06.039 --> 01:57:09.279 and then you have Michael Morbius drive out to the 2215 01:57:09.279 --> 01:57:13.239 middle of nowhere, yeah, and the Vulture shows up and 2216 01:57:13.279 --> 01:57:16.640 he's like, I want to start a team some about 2217 01:57:16.680 --> 01:57:20.680 Spider Man. I mean it's literally that yeah. Yeah, And 2218 01:57:20.720 --> 01:57:22.479 at which point every end of the audience. 2219 01:57:22.239 --> 01:57:29.000 Like, huh exactly credits He's exactly. 2220 01:57:31.119 --> 01:57:36.920 OI that era I mean, twenty twenty three, twenty four. Yeah, 2221 01:57:37.439 --> 01:57:41.319 you got your you got your Morbius, your your Madam 2222 01:57:41.399 --> 01:57:49.039 Webb and your Craven. Like I remember watching those movies 2223 01:57:49.079 --> 01:57:56.119 and I still don't believe they exist, I know, you know, yeah, Like, 2224 01:57:56.239 --> 01:58:02.960 it's remarkable to me that that Sony hit such sustained creative, 2225 01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:08.239 critical and financial success with their three Marvel co produced films, 2226 01:58:08.239 --> 01:58:12.279 the MCU films, And instead of taking a knee and 2227 01:58:12.319 --> 01:58:14.960 being like, let's figure out what made them work, Yeah, 2228 01:58:15.680 --> 01:58:18.640 they're like, let's just shit out whatever we can as 2229 01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:19.520 fast as we can. 2230 01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:25.600 It is amazing how all three are so off the mark, yeah, 2231 01:58:25.640 --> 01:58:30.439 you know, yeah. 2232 01:58:29.640 --> 01:58:31.159 Yeah, I mean they're so far off the mark there 2233 01:58:31.239 --> 01:58:32.479 might as well not be a mark. 2234 01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:36.600 Yeah yeah, but three times, you know, yea amazing, and 2235 01:58:37.159 --> 01:58:40.880 they feel consistent in their being inconsistent with the other 2236 01:58:40.920 --> 01:58:41.680 Marvel films. 2237 01:58:42.079 --> 01:58:44.720 Seriously, and I mean that's not even getting into the 2238 01:58:45.039 --> 01:58:45.760 venom of it all. 2239 01:58:46.079 --> 01:58:53.279 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Oh yeah, that's a sad scene. 2240 01:58:53.319 --> 01:58:56.680 By the way. The uh I like the way that 2241 01:58:56.680 --> 01:58:57.439 that's handled him. 2242 01:58:57.760 --> 01:59:00.560 Liz now her family, I mean, is weren't a part 2243 01:59:00.600 --> 01:59:03.319 and they have to move to Portland because her dad 2244 01:59:03.359 --> 01:59:05.119 doesn't want them to be in town while the trial's 2245 01:59:05.159 --> 01:59:07.840 going on, and Peter tries to say goodbye, and she 2246 01:59:07.960 --> 01:59:12.600 could say something mean or cutting or whatever, but it's 2247 01:59:12.600 --> 01:59:15.840 just she's still giving him a little bit of grace. Yeah, 2248 01:59:15.920 --> 01:59:18.880 even despite everything she's been through. You know, I like 2249 01:59:18.960 --> 01:59:21.119 that it's sad, it's sadder that way. 2250 01:59:22.560 --> 01:59:24.399 I think it's it's more emotionally honest. 2251 01:59:24.600 --> 01:59:26.560 Yeah. 2252 01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:29.920 I wanted to mention and the seeing Peter's phone reminded 2253 01:59:29.960 --> 01:59:33.720 me at the very beginning of the film, it's like 2254 01:59:33.840 --> 01:59:37.640 relatively new, and each time we see his phone screen 2255 01:59:37.640 --> 01:59:40.199 throughout the film, it's more and more cracked. Oh I 2256 01:59:40.239 --> 01:59:42.399 didn't notice that. Yeah, if you saw, like right now, 2257 01:59:42.439 --> 01:59:45.279 it's just there's like a spider web of cracks on it. Basically. 2258 01:59:45.319 --> 01:59:50.119 Oh that's fun. Yeah. 2259 01:59:50.239 --> 01:59:51.720 By the way, did you know this as I was 2260 01:59:51.760 --> 01:59:58.199 going through random trivia for this movie. The connections to Batman. Well, 2261 01:59:58.239 --> 02:00:00.000 here's the boy that you're bringing up. 2262 02:00:00.119 --> 02:00:05.479 Yeah, I love this cracks fro like in his hands. 2263 02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:14.680 That look is so good and that boy is so 2264 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:17.800 perfect too because he's just so small and I uh 2265 02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:21.640 so the Batman connections obviously Michael Keaton, but John Favreau 2266 02:00:22.079 --> 02:00:24.760 has an uncredited forever. 2267 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:26.800 Yeah, he's like Bruce Wayne's bodyguard. 2268 02:00:26.920 --> 02:00:30.640 Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah, that's pre Swingers. 2269 02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:34.600 That's right. Yeah, he was like on Friends around that time. 2270 02:00:34.640 --> 02:00:37.880 I think, oh wow, it was pretty deep impact where 2271 02:00:37.880 --> 02:00:41.479 he played astronaut Gus Bartenza. Is that off the top 2272 02:00:41.520 --> 02:00:46.439 of your head? It is, think about the state of 2273 02:00:46.520 --> 02:00:51.159 whatever freaking goddamn chaos exists in my head that I 2274 02:00:51.239 --> 02:00:55.439 was able to pull out astronaut Gus Bartenza. I don't 2275 02:00:55.479 --> 02:00:59.840 know most of my kid's birthdays. I was like corny 2276 02:01:00.199 --> 02:01:05.760 for a few of them. Yeah, wow, oh man gets 2277 02:01:05.800 --> 02:01:08.399 he gets blasted off into space because there's like an eruption. 2278 02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:10.439 You remember a deep Impact, right, I always saw it 2279 02:01:10.479 --> 02:01:12.439 the one time. I remember the title wave at the end, 2280 02:01:12.520 --> 02:01:13.439 That's what I remember. 2281 02:01:13.600 --> 02:01:17.800 There you go, Yeah, so this this scene famously. Actually, 2282 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:18.960 before we even get to this, I just want to 2283 02:01:18.960 --> 02:01:20.960 mention I was watching this yesterday with my daughter and 2284 02:01:21.760 --> 02:01:24.079 she's like, hey, look happy. She loves happy. So then 2285 02:01:24.119 --> 02:01:25.920 I pulled out my I showed her a picture of 2286 02:01:25.920 --> 02:01:27.159 the time I met Favreau. 2287 02:01:27.760 --> 02:01:29.279 Oh funny, I. 2288 02:01:29.279 --> 02:01:31.880 Interviewed him for Chef. She's like, you met happy Hogan. 2289 02:01:31.920 --> 02:01:33.880 I don't think I've ever been cooler in her eyes 2290 02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:37.560 than than that thirty seconds yesterday when I showed her that. 2291 02:01:37.760 --> 02:01:39.800 Ah. 2292 02:01:39.880 --> 02:01:44.239 So this here we have coming up, where where Gwyneth 2293 02:01:44.239 --> 02:01:47.399 Paltrow pops in and she had no memory of having 2294 02:01:47.520 --> 02:01:50.119 been in a Spider Man movie. That's right, that's right, 2295 02:01:51.760 --> 02:01:54.960 which she took a lot of shit for. Yeah, And 2296 02:01:55.039 --> 02:01:58.479 I say, well, to be fair, yeah, she's not in 2297 02:01:58.600 --> 02:02:03.640 the scene with Tom Hollan. Oh yeah, he's left already. Huh, 2298 02:02:03.680 --> 02:02:05.560 he's already left. So it's as far as she knows, 2299 02:02:05.600 --> 02:02:07.800 it's just another one of these other stupid things that 2300 02:02:07.840 --> 02:02:10.079 she pops in for. You know. That's the thing. 2301 02:02:10.119 --> 02:02:12.039 I mean, they bob and weave through so many of 2302 02:02:12.079 --> 02:02:15.199 these movies. She came, she did her thing, she did 2303 02:02:15.199 --> 02:02:18.600 what they asked. She's interacted. If she's familiar with like 2304 02:02:18.680 --> 02:02:19.359 it makes exactly. 2305 02:02:19.359 --> 02:02:21.640 There was a lot of like Quinneth Paltrow doesn't remember 2306 02:02:21.640 --> 02:02:23.119 being in a Spider Man movie, and I'm like, you 2307 02:02:23.159 --> 02:02:26.239 mean the three seconds she's in one where she doesn't 2308 02:02:26.279 --> 02:02:29.000 interact with any Spider Man people that Spider Man movie, 2309 02:02:29.680 --> 02:02:35.039 you know. Yeah. So obviously as as character arcs go, 2310 02:02:35.199 --> 02:02:37.479 this is a good one. You know, Peter starts out 2311 02:02:37.520 --> 02:02:41.439 wanting nothing more than to be a junior Avenger, and 2312 02:02:41.479 --> 02:02:44.640 he comes to realize himself, no thanks to Tony Stark 2313 02:02:44.680 --> 02:02:47.840 by the way, that he's better served just doing his 2314 02:02:47.880 --> 02:02:48.239 own thing. 2315 02:02:51.159 --> 02:02:53.479 Yeah, and that is a good twist, you know, with 2316 02:02:53.600 --> 02:02:56.520 the you know there's press waiting for the announcement. 2317 02:02:57.119 --> 02:02:59.880 Yep, yeah, I do. I do love I was like, 2318 02:03:00.000 --> 02:03:03.359 that's a test, right, Oh yeah, it's a test you passed. Yeah, yeah, 2319 02:03:03.399 --> 02:03:07.039 I love it. The whole bit about screwing the pooch 2320 02:03:07.119 --> 02:03:10.279 and you know, different levels of pooch screwing or whatever. Yeah, 2321 02:03:10.279 --> 02:03:12.239 first of all, I think of true lives whenever I 2322 02:03:12.279 --> 02:03:17.039 hear screwed the pooch. Wait, specifically, I think of Charlton 2323 02:03:17.039 --> 02:03:19.720 Heston saying I say, Harry, you really screwed the pooch. 2324 02:03:20.600 --> 02:03:25.000 That's funny. But that was all Downy just just riffing. 2325 02:03:25.399 --> 02:03:27.239 Yeah, I mean, that's his thing, right, he kind of 2326 02:03:27.239 --> 02:03:30.479 looks at the pages and goes, eh, tossingeah way, And 2327 02:03:31.159 --> 02:03:32.199 I got an idea, Tom. 2328 02:03:32.359 --> 02:03:36.319 Tom Holland spoke recently about how that that vernacular is 2329 02:03:36.439 --> 02:03:39.000 very American, so he had no idea what Downey was saying. 2330 02:03:39.199 --> 02:03:42.199 Oh that's funny, you know. Yeah, it's easy to forget 2331 02:03:42.239 --> 02:03:43.000 he's British. 2332 02:03:43.239 --> 02:03:45.840 Yeah, I mean he does a pretty good American accent. 2333 02:03:45.920 --> 02:03:49.000 But yeah, yeah, some people, you know, feels like they're 2334 02:03:49.159 --> 02:03:51.079 struggling through it. But yeah, he's very natural. 2335 02:03:55.159 --> 02:03:56.560 So you look at that. That's that's the look of 2336 02:03:56.560 --> 02:03:59.439 a man who got ten million dollars for ten minutes 2337 02:03:59.479 --> 02:03:59.800 of work. 2338 02:04:01.880 --> 02:04:08.000 Yeah, seriously, you know, and that is pretty amazing that 2339 02:04:08.039 --> 02:04:10.159 they were able to work this out and get these huge, 2340 02:04:10.199 --> 02:04:14.079 aless celebrities to just pop up occasionally in a random film. 2341 02:04:14.319 --> 02:04:16.640 It really did, you know. I know there's a lot 2342 02:04:16.640 --> 02:04:20.680 of criticism about how certain random plot points will be 2343 02:04:20.760 --> 02:04:23.039 inserted into these movies to try to make them pract 2344 02:04:23.159 --> 02:04:25.560 and I don't disagree with that. Sometimes it's not very elegant, 2345 02:04:25.840 --> 02:04:28.479 but just having these people make these appearances does make 2346 02:04:28.479 --> 02:04:30.000 this feel like one big world. 2347 02:04:31.079 --> 02:04:33.279 Yeah, I agree. I mean, well this is I mean 2348 02:04:33.319 --> 02:04:36.720 we've talked about this before about how every studio was 2349 02:04:36.720 --> 02:04:39.720 trying to get their own MCU going right or it 2350 02:04:39.800 --> 02:04:42.119 is their version of an MCU, and it's like, we 2351 02:04:42.199 --> 02:04:44.800 only got to this point where you can have Gwyneth 2352 02:04:44.800 --> 02:04:48.319 Paltrow pop up or you or Favre or whoever, because 2353 02:04:48.319 --> 02:04:50.720 they did the work right. I mean that the first 2354 02:04:50.920 --> 02:04:56.399 batch of Marvel movies achieved a certain baseline, you know, 2355 02:04:57.399 --> 02:04:59.319 and they and they had a plan and they stuck 2356 02:04:59.359 --> 02:05:03.000 to it. Yeah, and that stuff matters, you know. I mean, 2357 02:05:03.960 --> 02:05:07.159 I think it helps that Iron Man was like was 2358 02:05:07.199 --> 02:05:10.359 a home run the first one, but you know, the 2359 02:05:10.680 --> 02:05:13.560 rest of Wave one, they at least got on base 2360 02:05:13.600 --> 02:05:22.319 every single time, and and so it created a world 2361 02:05:22.479 --> 02:05:26.560 that we enjoyed visiting. And then that incentivises them to 2362 02:05:27.039 --> 02:05:32.279 find ways to create more connective tissue. You know, right now, 2363 02:05:32.279 --> 02:05:37.119 this right here, when May finds out obviously that's a big, 2364 02:05:37.560 --> 02:05:40.319 big twist, you know, in terms of Spider Man lore, 2365 02:05:41.119 --> 02:05:44.119 and there was an issue of Spider Man this is 2366 02:05:44.159 --> 02:05:48.399 like two thousand and one, I think, written by J. 2367 02:05:48.520 --> 02:05:53.960 Michael Straczynski where he has May discover Peter's identity. She 2368 02:05:54.039 --> 02:05:58.199 shows up at his apartment to take his laundry, and 2369 02:05:59.720 --> 02:06:02.720 he's just come back from a battle, so he's passed 2370 02:06:02.760 --> 02:06:06.199 out on his bed, just beaten to shit, and she 2371 02:06:06.399 --> 02:06:08.680 just walks in and she finds a Spider Man suit 2372 02:06:08.960 --> 02:06:12.680 on the ground. She sees him bruised and battered, and 2373 02:06:12.720 --> 02:06:18.079 she just leaves and then like the following issue. Actually, 2374 02:06:18.079 --> 02:06:23.640 fun fact, the following issue was a nine to eleven issue. 2375 02:06:24.399 --> 02:06:27.640 Oh so this is when the storyline happened. So this 2376 02:06:27.720 --> 02:06:29.079 must have been early two thousand and two, and now 2377 02:06:29.119 --> 02:06:32.760 I think about it, was literally like the writers of 2378 02:06:33.119 --> 02:06:34.920 the people who made the Spider Man comics were like, 2379 02:06:34.960 --> 02:06:37.319 we want to acknowledge nine to eleven, and so they 2380 02:06:37.359 --> 02:06:39.960 actually did an issue where Spider Man witnesses nine to eleven, 2381 02:06:40.079 --> 02:06:42.640 which is weird to even think about now, I know, 2382 02:06:42.960 --> 02:06:45.239 I know, right, So that was like an interlude, and 2383 02:06:45.279 --> 02:06:48.560 then the following issue you have May calling Peter being 2384 02:06:48.600 --> 02:06:49.800 like we need to talk, and they have a whole 2385 02:06:49.800 --> 02:06:52.439 conversation where he's like, I hit it from you because 2386 02:06:52.439 --> 02:06:54.039 of this, and she's like, why didn't you trust me? 2387 02:06:54.079 --> 02:06:57.119 It was actually quite it's just them talking right anyway, 2388 02:06:57.319 --> 02:07:00.239 All of that is to say Kevin Feige about to 2389 02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:04.760 maybe ten years later or actually even longer, fifteen years later, 2390 02:07:04.760 --> 02:07:09.319 because he wrote an intro for a collection that came 2391 02:07:09.319 --> 02:07:11.840 out around the time of this movie, and he said 2392 02:07:11.880 --> 02:07:14.600 he read that comic and he was like, when I 2393 02:07:14.680 --> 02:07:17.119 read that comic, it became my mission to do the 2394 02:07:17.199 --> 02:07:20.600 story where aunt May finds out that he's Spider Man. 2395 02:07:22.239 --> 02:07:24.520 So it was inspired by you know, right around nine 2396 02:07:24.560 --> 02:07:30.159 to eleven. Wow. Fascinating. Yeah, yeah, I think I think 2397 02:07:30.199 --> 02:07:33.640 the movies obviously went, you know, did things a little differently, 2398 02:07:33.680 --> 02:07:38.199 but I think the way in which they wove May 2399 02:07:38.359 --> 02:07:40.560 in and sort of gave her the Uncle Ben roll, 2400 02:07:40.680 --> 02:07:44.680 I mean, I find it very emotionally compelling, you know. 2401 02:07:45.119 --> 02:07:49.800 Yeah, yeah, well, I mean we talked about this moment, 2402 02:07:49.840 --> 02:07:52.680 but I just love that Feige is a guy who 2403 02:07:52.720 --> 02:07:55.399 isn't thinking about how can we maximize our profits. I mean, 2404 02:07:55.439 --> 02:07:56.880 I'm sure it's to some degree, but he's like, no, 2405 02:07:57.000 --> 02:07:59.880 this is really awesome. This made a big impact on me, 2406 02:08:00.039 --> 02:08:01.720 and I read it. We've got to get this. 2407 02:08:01.680 --> 02:08:02.239 In the movie. 2408 02:08:02.359 --> 02:08:05.279 I mean, yeah, that's why these things worked the way 2409 02:08:05.279 --> 02:08:06.119 that they they did. 2410 02:08:06.199 --> 02:08:08.960 And by hooker by crook, he found a way eventually you. 2411 02:08:08.840 --> 02:08:12.039 Know, yeah, yeah, he's like this is cool. People will 2412 02:08:12.039 --> 02:08:13.960 think this is cool too, exactly. 2413 02:08:14.279 --> 02:08:17.399 Yeah, and but when May's like, what the you know 2414 02:08:17.520 --> 02:08:20.479 that That's exactly how the second film ends, except as 2415 02:08:20.520 --> 02:08:22.760 Peter saying that because his identity has just been. 2416 02:08:22.600 --> 02:08:24.760 Revealed, Oh yeah, I forgot about that. 2417 02:08:25.560 --> 02:08:34.239 I love Keaton's delivery. Here he was he'd already be dead. Yeah, Keaton, 2418 02:08:34.359 --> 02:08:36.760 you know, you know, at this stage of his career, 2419 02:08:36.840 --> 02:08:41.560 I enjoy watching his face, you know, and you know, 2420 02:08:41.600 --> 02:08:43.880 I watch A Spotlight a lot, you know, because I 2421 02:08:43.880 --> 02:08:45.880 screened that for my kids, and I mean, he is 2422 02:08:45.960 --> 02:08:50.840 so magnetic in that movie because you just see him reacting, 2423 02:08:50.960 --> 02:08:53.720 and he's fascinating to watch just reacting before he even 2424 02:08:53.720 --> 02:08:54.359 says anything. 2425 02:08:54.479 --> 02:08:54.720 M h. 2426 02:08:55.319 --> 02:08:58.199 And that's a real trick as an actor, you know. Yeah. 2427 02:08:58.359 --> 02:09:04.199 Yeah, He's got a really interesting sort of like twitchiness 2428 02:09:05.079 --> 02:09:07.039 or something. And it's funny because when he's playing a 2429 02:09:07.119 --> 02:09:10.119 darker character can come across as little unhinged, and when 2430 02:09:10.159 --> 02:09:12.840 he's a lighter character, it's just sort of like an 2431 02:09:12.920 --> 02:09:15.319 interesting quirkiness, a manic yeah, like a. 2432 02:09:16.119 --> 02:09:18.960 From the Mister Mom to the Vulture, you know. 2433 02:09:19.159 --> 02:09:22.840 Yeah, yeah, but just yeah, like passionate. I think of 2434 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:26.520 the founders, what was this, you know, a miracle? 2435 02:09:26.600 --> 02:09:31.720 Love it? We got a franchise that kind of thing. Well, honestly, 2436 02:09:31.840 --> 02:09:35.079 like that was something I really enjoyed about him in 2437 02:09:35.119 --> 02:09:44.359 the flash, Yes, sort of bringing his his specific ticks, 2438 02:09:44.439 --> 02:09:48.159 you know, as they've matured into into that this uh 2439 02:09:48.359 --> 02:09:53.359 an older Batman and see how that plays, you know. Yeah, 2440 02:09:53.399 --> 02:09:55.600 but yeah, Spider Man Homecoming, my friend? What do you think? 2441 02:09:56.520 --> 02:09:58.119 H I love it. 2442 02:09:57.439 --> 02:10:00.319 It's it's a lot of fun. I I have not 2443 02:10:00.399 --> 02:10:03.399 watched it many times, so but I knew that I 2444 02:10:03.520 --> 02:10:05.479 liked it. So I felt fun to go back and 2445 02:10:05.520 --> 02:10:07.319 remember some of it but not all of it. So 2446 02:10:07.479 --> 02:10:11.279 I got to experience it fresh again and enjoy it 2447 02:10:11.319 --> 02:10:11.920 all over again. 2448 02:10:13.159 --> 02:10:13.720 I mean, tell. 2449 02:10:15.439 --> 02:10:17.600 Just sorry, I mean the honesty just came out this 2450 02:10:17.640 --> 02:10:20.439 past weekend, and right before we started recording, Variety put 2451 02:10:20.479 --> 02:10:26.520 out an article for some weird reason saying like listing 2452 02:10:26.560 --> 02:10:28.720 all the actors in the movie in order of like 2453 02:10:28.760 --> 02:10:31.880 how good they are? Okay, so like Matt dam At 2454 02:10:32.039 --> 02:10:34.479 number one or something, which feels very like BuzzFeed and 2455 02:10:34.560 --> 02:10:35.680 kind of beneath. 2456 02:10:35.439 --> 02:10:39.119 Us to say, it's been sad to watch Variety just 2457 02:10:39.199 --> 02:10:42.479 descend into these these click chasing sites. 2458 02:10:42.840 --> 02:10:46.760 Well so and and at number seventeen last on the list, 2459 02:10:46.800 --> 02:10:51.439 they put Tom Holland under under mea under Mia Goth 2460 02:10:52.399 --> 02:10:54.119 who has like two lines. 2461 02:10:54.800 --> 02:10:56.079 That's bullshit. 2462 02:10:56.319 --> 02:10:58.239 And I was like, okay, so you haven't seen this. 2463 02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:01.399 So I was like, look, you're trying to be mean, 2464 02:11:02.159 --> 02:11:04.760 like there's no point. First of all, this is just 2465 02:11:04.920 --> 02:11:08.319 not what you do. And then you putting Tom Holland 2466 02:11:08.359 --> 02:11:12.159 like the second, third, fourth, whatever lead of the movie. 2467 02:11:12.520 --> 02:11:14.680 You're making a point, You're making a statement, and I 2468 02:11:14.720 --> 02:11:15.560 don't know what that is. 2469 02:11:15.720 --> 02:11:16.720 It just feels cruel. 2470 02:11:17.359 --> 02:11:20.079 And so I want to say, look, is he effective 2471 02:11:20.079 --> 02:11:20.920 in everything he does? 2472 02:11:21.000 --> 02:11:21.319 I don't know. 2473 02:11:21.359 --> 02:11:23.680 I haven't watched all of it, and I didn't love Uncharted. 2474 02:11:24.079 --> 02:11:26.319 We've seen Uncharted. So the answer is no, he's not 2475 02:11:26.319 --> 02:11:27.079 not in everything. 2476 02:11:27.319 --> 02:11:29.920 Well yeah, because he was cast wrong. Yeah, But like 2477 02:11:30.840 --> 02:11:33.199 this is my point. He is so good at playing 2478 02:11:33.279 --> 02:11:37.760 Peter Parker that, like, I don't think he's a bad actor. 2479 02:11:37.800 --> 02:11:41.239 Maybe he's not always. You know, sometimes people who have 2480 02:11:41.399 --> 02:11:44.199 these lead roles in these very big movies, everyone expects 2481 02:11:44.199 --> 02:11:46.199 them to always play big roles in big movies, and 2482 02:11:46.239 --> 02:11:48.760 they just may not. Maybe they're going to excel at 2483 02:11:48.800 --> 02:11:51.439 certain specific things, and that's what they're destined for. Maybe 2484 02:11:51.439 --> 02:11:55.079 that's what he'll do, you know, But I don't know. 2485 02:11:55.199 --> 02:11:56.800 I don't think he's a bad actor, and I think 2486 02:11:56.800 --> 02:11:59.079 that's a very strange thing for them to have done. 2487 02:12:00.600 --> 02:12:06.279 I agree. I think that that's a broader comment on 2488 02:12:06.399 --> 02:12:10.199 how you know, in the age of social media, that's 2489 02:12:10.239 --> 02:12:12.680 the type of stuff that drives the traffic. Yeah. 2490 02:12:12.760 --> 02:12:15.640 Yeah, And I'm not saying that even if he didn't 2491 02:12:15.680 --> 02:12:17.680 work for you in the Odyssey, anyone who's listening right now, 2492 02:12:17.720 --> 02:12:20.159 I'm not going to disagree with you, But like I 2493 02:12:20.439 --> 02:12:23.079 also don't maybe he wasn't right for you in that role. 2494 02:12:23.119 --> 02:12:25.640 I don't know. But like, I just don't think he's bad. 2495 02:12:25.760 --> 02:12:27.640 I think he's so good in these movies. I don't 2496 02:12:27.640 --> 02:12:28.960 know how you could say he's not good. 2497 02:12:29.560 --> 02:12:32.800 Yeah, I I you know, I don't know. There is 2498 02:12:32.840 --> 02:12:35.800 like a tinge of cruelty with some of this stuff, 2499 02:12:35.840 --> 02:12:39.239 you know, Yeah, totally, But you know this this was, 2500 02:12:39.319 --> 02:12:42.680 of course, they called it Homecoming very deliberately because while yes, 2501 02:12:42.720 --> 02:12:44.760 it is about the dance, it's also about Spider Man 2502 02:12:44.840 --> 02:12:48.560 coming home to Marvel. Yeah, and I'm sure Marvel has 2503 02:12:48.600 --> 02:12:51.119 been very happy about that. I'm sure they're they're hoping 2504 02:12:51.159 --> 02:12:56.119 that he stays home. Yeah, he doesn't move out, you know. Yeah, yeah, 2505 02:12:56.720 --> 02:13:01.840 And you know, we're ten years deep into the mcu 2506 02:13:02.079 --> 02:13:04.840 era of Spider Man, and you know, I'm hoping it 2507 02:13:04.880 --> 02:13:07.399 continues for at least a little while longer. Yeah. I 2508 02:13:07.479 --> 02:13:11.239 enjoy this take. So the fact that these two corporations, 2509 02:13:11.279 --> 02:13:15.479 these mega corporations, have found this kind of sympatico is 2510 02:13:15.600 --> 02:13:19.520 itself remarkable. Yeah. And I mean it was touch and 2511 02:13:19.560 --> 02:13:20.840 go for a minute there if you remember it just 2512 02:13:20.840 --> 02:13:24.840 before the pandemic yep. Yeah, where it looked like even 2513 02:13:24.840 --> 02:13:26.600 no Way Home isn't going to happen. So, you know, 2514 02:13:27.720 --> 02:13:31.000 I think both companies are incentivized to not rock the 2515 02:13:31.039 --> 02:13:34.520 boat too much. So here's open that continues. Yeah. 2516 02:13:34.560 --> 02:13:37.319 And something, by the way, this is way random, but 2517 02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:40.359 we didn't call it out earlier. Is Stanley's cameo. Which 2518 02:13:40.720 --> 02:13:44.199 that's right. He had cameos all the way through endgame. 2519 02:13:43.960 --> 02:13:47.119 Right, and game was his final cameo. Yeah. Yeah, and 2520 02:13:47.119 --> 02:13:48.880 I think this was one of four or five that 2521 02:13:48.960 --> 02:13:49.800 James gunshot. 2522 02:13:50.039 --> 02:13:51.760 Yeah, that's what I was gonna say, Like they kind 2523 02:13:51.760 --> 02:13:54.920 of knocked him all out, which I'm glad so he 2524 02:13:55.319 --> 02:13:58.840 could make it through that whole run, Yeah. 2525 02:13:58.600 --> 02:14:02.680 Because he was not in far from home. Yeah, so 2526 02:14:02.800 --> 02:14:06.840 endgame that was wow crazy, Yeah that too. I mean, gosh, 2527 02:14:06.840 --> 02:14:10.640 it's been what seven years now since Stanley passed away? Right, 2528 02:14:11.600 --> 02:14:15.680 well jeez, but hey, let us know your thoughts on 2529 02:14:15.720 --> 02:14:19.520 Spider Man Homecoming. 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So is this one of the 2555 02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:23.479 best post credit scenes of all of them? 2556 02:15:24.000 --> 02:15:25.760 I remember laughing pretty hard at this. 2557 02:15:27.119 --> 02:15:29.560 I wonder if people were pissed off, probably. 2558 02:15:29.239 --> 02:15:32.279 Right, I mean, you gotta laugh because they know that 2559 02:15:32.279 --> 02:15:34.399 that's the joke, right, that's the joke. 2560 02:15:35.159 --> 02:15:38.079 It is Cat, by the way, wearing my absolute least 2561 02:15:38.119 --> 02:15:41.720 favorite Captain America costume out of all of them. That 2562 02:15:41.800 --> 02:15:43.439 was what he wore in The Avengers, and it looks 2563 02:15:43.800 --> 02:15:49.680 sucky because his head is misshapen. Right. If you're looking 2564 02:15:49.680 --> 02:15:51.079 for me, you can find me on social media. Ad 2565 02:15:51.159 --> 02:15:53.720 Zachi's corner is the AKIS Corner. You can also find 2566 02:15:53.720 --> 02:15:55.800 my reviews at the San Francisco Chronicle and also at 2567 02:15:55.800 --> 02:15:57.520 The Rap and What About You, Brian. 2568 02:15:57.760 --> 02:16:00.039 You can find episodes I've written of puppy dog pals 2569 02:16:00.079 --> 02:16:02.680 and young Jedi adventures streaming on Disney. 2570 02:16:02.319 --> 02:16:05.279 Plus You Go, and with that on behalf of my 2571 02:16:05.319 --> 02:16:07.239 partner Brian Hall. My name is Zachie Hassan. This has 2572 02:16:07.239 --> 02:16:10.000 been our movie film commentary track for Spider Man Homecoming. 2573 02:16:10.079 --> 02:16:17.840 We'll catch you next time. Thanks everybody,