WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:04.879 Today's episode of the Trip Cast is brought to you 2 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:08.640 by Ambassador Tony Garza and the Texas Tribune Speakers Bureau. 3 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:14.679 Welcome to this week's episode of the Trip Cast. I 4 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:17.960 am James Vadragan. With me, as always is intrepid Women's 5 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.079 health reporter Eleanor klebanoff Ari. 6 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:20.920 I'm good. 7 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:22.199 How are you you like that intro? 8 00:00:22.280 --> 00:00:24.120 Huh, I'm very intrepid, everyone says it. 9 00:00:24.879 --> 00:00:27.559 And our guest this week is Alejandra Serrano, who has 10 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:31.280 been writing a fair amount about our subject of the week, immigration. 11 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:33.719 Alejandra, how are you good? Here are you go? Thank 12 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:37.479 you for having me? Great, We're very excited. Before we 13 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:40.960 get started, let's check in. How are we doing, folks? 14 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:44.920 Have we recovered from the super Bowl and from the 15 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:48.399 Kansas City Chiefs playing an absolute egg in the Super 16 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:53.359 Bowl preventing our guy Travis Kelce from proposing to Taylor 17 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:55.960 Swift in the most man move that could possibly be 18 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:57.119 done in front. 19 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.679 Of thousands of people just trying to watch sports. 20 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:03.799 Okay, as we've established not a sports podcast, we don't 21 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:06.480 know that much about sports, but I will say we're 22 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:08.079 going to lean into this. 23 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:09.319 You come to us for the. 24 00:01:09.239 --> 00:01:11.439 Sports and while we have you here, we will back 25 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:12.760 into some Texas politics. 26 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:13.719 I will say. 27 00:01:13.560 --> 00:01:15.959 Personally, a little known fact about me is that I 28 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:18.959 lived in Philadelphia until I was eleven years old. So 29 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:24.959 I am a. 30 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:23.359 A halfway Eagles fan. 31 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:25.319 I tend to root for the Eagles when when given 32 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:29.959 the chance, and then I moved to Atlanta. 33 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.560 So I am also a halfway Falcons fan who, when 34 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:35.840 given the chance to choose which of those teams to 35 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:38.159 root for in a Super Bowl, the Eagles are shown 36 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:39.560 or doing a better showing than the. 37 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:41.799 Falcons, they were going to say, I'm rooting for the Birds. 38 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:43.000 I'm rooting for the Birds. 39 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:45.519 Yeah. So I had a great time watching the Super Bowl. 40 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:48.200 I thought it was I like to see one team 41 00:01:48.239 --> 00:01:50.439 really kick the hell out of the other. 42 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:51.719 It's more fun that way. 43 00:01:52.319 --> 00:01:53.840 One hundred Do you have thoughts on the Super Bowl? 44 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:54.719 I thought it was boring. 45 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:57.319 Wow yeah wow. 46 00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:59.599 After the third quarter I was checked out me too. 47 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.760 I was just reading reviews of the Kendrick Lamar halftime show, 48 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:04.599 which people went crazy for. 49 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.680 Like, I'm both yeah, very divisive, I do think to 50 00:02:07.719 --> 00:02:10.800 doesn't extent is everything just very divisive? 51 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.919 Now, maybe those pants weren't I kind of like the 52 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:15.960 people generally, like I. 53 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:21.080 Thought, in general, I like, yeah, you left in the 54 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:21.840 third quarter. 55 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:26.280 So did President Trump. He left a little correct. 56 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:28.400 And actually funny that you bring that up, because not 57 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:30.680 to inject politics into this podcast. 58 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:31.479 The only thing we know how to do. 59 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:33.360 But President Trump. 60 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.000 Was there and I read in the AP that this 61 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:37.080 is the first time that a sitting president was in 62 00:02:37.199 --> 00:02:38.560 attendance at the Super Bowl. 63 00:02:39.240 --> 00:02:41.080 I just thought that was interesting because we've had big 64 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:42.599 sports fans. Uh. 65 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.159 You know, President Bush used to own a baseball team, 66 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:47.080 and right, that does surprise. President Obama was a big 67 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.159 basketball guy. He used to fill out the March Madness 68 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:49.919 bracket all the time. 69 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:51.319 You think it's like a security thing. 70 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:53.360 Yeah, I think that. 71 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:58.080 Yeah, I'd say that, Yeah, I'd say it might be. 72 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.960 That makes sense, I really I would think there's like 73 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.360 nothing more American than going to watch the Super Bowl 74 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:06.919 as the president. Like the president should be like you 75 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:08.919 have to go watch the last game of the World Series, 76 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:11.159 Like you have to be the person who like the Knights, 77 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:14.639 you know, like in in the UK when they have 78 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:17.039 like the f A Cup, like Prince William goes and 79 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:18.800 hands them the trophy. 80 00:03:18.960 --> 00:03:21.240 You're I know a lot about the Royals. 81 00:03:21.280 --> 00:03:23.280 I don't know that much about football, but I do 82 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:24.360 know a lot about the Royals. 83 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:27.000 Sports expert, kind of a sports expert. 84 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:28.960 But I think we should make the president do that. 85 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.039 Like you give the World Series trophy unless it's one 86 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:35.120 of the Canadian teams. You give the NFL, you know, 87 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.560 the trophy, the Stanley Cup. How many trophies can I 88 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:42.840 name you? I think you cheated and limits, Yeah, the 89 00:03:42.840 --> 00:03:47.719 Stanley Cup, the World Series, the Super Bowl? 90 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:49.639 What their sports are there? 91 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.520 The MLS Cup, the Los Angeles Galaxy six time. 92 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:55.919 Champion, and the basketball what do they call that? 93 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:59.800 Uh? I don't know. The NBA trophy, NBA trophy? 94 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:01.520 Oh my god, guys, sorry we extended. 95 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:05.280 Yes, sorry, Alejandro, thank you for joining us on this. 96 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:07.159 The things we do know about. 97 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.520 Okay, let's get to the real topic at hand. It's 98 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:13.759 a big one this week, and it's immigration. President Trump 99 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:17.360 promised to do mass deportations starting on day one. He 100 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:20.120 promised to continue building the wall. He promised to give 101 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.519 the death penalty to any migrant who killed an American citizen. 102 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:29.199 All these big, big promises, big big, sometimes controversial items, 103 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:32.199 and he's hit the ground running. I mean, it's only 104 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:33.920 been a couple of weeks that he's been in office, 105 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:39.199 and it seems like from watching your team, trying to 106 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:41.800 follow this news, it's very hard. 107 00:04:41.839 --> 00:04:44.639 It's like drinking from fire hydrant. 108 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:48.839 So, Alejandro, so far, what are you seeing from the 109 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:52.639 Trump administration's immigration plan? It certainly looks like it's been 110 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:56.720 a blitz. To continue our football references, but do we 111 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.439 see any coherent plan here or is it just as 112 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.160 a Texas football fan would say, all gas, no breaks. 113 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.360 Yeah, I think it's it's definitely been a blitz. I 114 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.319 mean Trump has done a lot. You know, he ended 115 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:13.759 use of an app asylum seeking migrants would use to 116 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.800 schedule an appointment at CBP one right, Yeah, with immigration officials. 117 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:24.600 He's removed temporary protections some people had. He's also delegated 118 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.759 more authority to state officials in some cases. But I 119 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:30.480 think the overall plan is not yet clear, and it 120 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:35.000 kind of seems like still a lot's unfolding. But it 121 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.360 certainly has been a flurry of things that have already 122 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:38.240 impacted people. 123 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:41.319 It's interesting, like the really tangible things like so quickly, 124 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:43.120 like the app went down, right, like, you. 125 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:44.839 Know, so that was pretty soon after inauguration. 126 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:47.360 So there's like these tangible things as well as these 127 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:50.040 like large policy changes that take a while to see 128 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:51.040 the impact. 129 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:52.639 Of right and has anticipated. I mean, some of the 130 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:57.560 stuff's being litigated. Like one of the hallmark promises was 131 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:00.480 ending birthright citizenship, and a lot of people were like, well, 132 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:02.519 you can't just get rid of the fourteenth Amendment. And 133 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.240 now it's become a legal battle in which a judge 134 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.240 has so far said, you know you can't. 135 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:10.920 H And on the CBP one front, I mean on 136 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:15.079 the app, you and your colleague Uria Artia wrote a 137 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:19.120 story about some of the migrants who are waiting around 138 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:23.079 right and just trying to get their asylum claims to go, 139 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:27.439 and they were waiting and their meetings were suddenly canceled. Right, 140 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.959 So it's an immediate impact of the new administration coming 141 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:32.680 in and having an immigration crackdown. 142 00:06:33.199 --> 00:06:36.639 Yeah, can I ask you to put you to the 143 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.800 test really quickly and briefly catch us up on birthright citizenship, 144 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:41.480 Like what it is, why it's controversial. 145 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:46.959 Yeah, it's the Well, the fourteenth Amendment pretty much grants this, 146 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:48.240 as I understand it. 147 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:49.680 I haven't been covering this a. 148 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:52.959 Lot version and I'm sure we'll get emails. 149 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.319 If you know, the long and short of it is, 150 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:58.480 if you have a child in this country, they are 151 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.399 an American citizen and has been this way for a 152 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:03.800 long time, and Trump wanted to end this, but it 153 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:08.000 is encoded by the Constitution fourteenth Amendment, so a president 154 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.920 doesn't have the authority to just override the Constitution need 155 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.079 a congressional amendment, which is kind of now, I guess 156 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:17.240 where the battle is turning, and it's unclear what's next. 157 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:20.639 And it's one of the obviously one of the amendments 158 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.680 that got passed after the Civil War, and it enfranchises people. 159 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.759 It gives them personhood, it gives them citizenship because previously, 160 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.800 of course, enslaved people did not have any of those rights. 161 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.839 So this goes far back, a long way, more than 162 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:37.120 a century. So we're talking to about radical changes to 163 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:43.759 the constitution, Alejandro. Numerous state officials, including Governor Abbott, Lieutenant 164 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.959 Governor Patrick Lan, Commissioner Don Buckingham, they've said that they 165 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.959 are hoping to offer the federal government help, and we've 166 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:53.079 seen the National Guard be deployed as well state troopers. 167 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:56.600 We've seen land Commissioner Buckingham offered to provide the federal 168 00:07:56.680 --> 00:08:00.519 government some land for detention and mass deportations, the state 169 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:03.399 working with the feds, Like, what's that partnership? Looking like 170 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.680 they've obviously been they've cooperated together in the past, right, 171 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:07.759 but how is this different? 172 00:08:08.480 --> 00:08:12.040 Yeah, I mean, I think one way to clearly look 173 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:15.439 at it is the last four years a lot of 174 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:17.759 state officials felt like they were in opposition with the 175 00:08:17.800 --> 00:08:22.120 federal government and Texas had conflicts with the feral government 176 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.720 when it came to immigration enforcement. And now it's the 177 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:27.040 opposite and they have a willing partner. So Texas kind 178 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.160 of going out of its way and being like, hey, 179 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.439 we want to help. So what does that look like 180 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:34.279 on the ground. While the governors directed state agencies to 181 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:38.679 cooperate with federal officials, he signed an agreement with the 182 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:43.360 Trump administration to give National Guard troops immigration arrest authority. 183 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:45.960 And those are kind of some of the bigger things, 184 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:49.080 and you have tinier things like that are not clear yet. 185 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.360 For instance, you brought up the Land Commissioner offering land. 186 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:55.080 We don't know yet that elase has been signed, but 187 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:58.480 we know the administration said it wants the land. So 188 00:08:58.519 --> 00:09:00.679 it presents all these other questions of what does that 189 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:02.799 partnership look like. But the biggest thing here is like 190 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:06.720 now it's like two allies working toward the same goal instead. 191 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:08.240 Of in opposition of each other. 192 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:09.200 If that makes sense. 193 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:11.200 Yeah, And will that you know, one of the things 194 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:12.960 that we were talking about in some of our budget 195 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:16.759 talks is will that lead to savings on the immigration front, 196 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:22.200 because theoretically with the federal partner, now maybe the state 197 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:24.399 can pull back. But what are you learning about whether 198 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:26.840 the state can take some of those billions of dollars 199 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.919 that it's invested and leave it to the federal government 200 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.200 and maybe turn that those billions of dollars towards something 201 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:33.039 else in the budget. 202 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.559 Yeah, well, I mean that's a great question and point, 203 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.879 and it's kind of unclear right now. And if anything, 204 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.759 kind of the what the signals we're getting out of 205 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:44.559 all these components right what state officials are doing. The legislature, 206 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:48.159 which is just starting in earnest its budget negotiations, is 207 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:50.639 that Texas is going to double down on border security 208 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.360 and kind of further cement this role it has in 209 00:09:54.679 --> 00:09:58.679 border security. The legislature is considering six point five billion 210 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.039 dollars of funding toward security, and when you think about 211 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:04.320 eleven billion that we spend the last four years as 212 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:07.080 a state. You know, six point five is kind of 213 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.120 a step more. It's it's not more than has been appropriated, 214 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:13.240 but it's also not less. So it's kind of saying something. 215 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.360 But also as a state, we have to remember that 216 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:21.000 we've done things that have also advanced this cementation. 217 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:22.360 That's a word. 218 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.080 And I think the kind of like the hallmark thing 219 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.799 recently is Senate Bill four, which would give state police 220 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:36.600 the authority to arrest people suspected of being undocumented. And 221 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:38.600 it's still being litigated, but you know, when we think 222 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:42.759 about Texas's role and immigration enforcement, all these things have 223 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:47.679 to be considered. And I'm sorry, I forgot what you asked. 224 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:49.879 There's no evidence. 225 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:52.759 I think there's like a version of events or maybe 226 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.279 even like a thing some people like you might think, 227 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.919 like okay, like now Texas has this partner in the 228 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:00.639 White House, like they can be like you know, for 229 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:02.639 years they've been saying, like to the Biden administration, like 230 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:06.039 do more. Now we can presume President Trump is going 231 00:11:06.080 --> 00:11:09.080 to do more, and like you think, Texas one version 232 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:11.919 of events is Texas says like great, we can sit 233 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:13.720 back on our Laurels, we can let you do. You know, 234 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:15.759 we're going to work on this other issue. And I 235 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:20.279 think that is a foolish to think that that's how 236 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.080 that was going to go. Right, Texas is going to go. 237 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.440 Now we have a partner, let's go like turbo charged. 238 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:25.720 And I think to a certain extent, that's. 239 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:26.440 What we're seeing right. 240 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:28.759 Otherwise, Yeah, I don't know that it was foolish or not. 241 00:11:28.919 --> 00:11:30.200 I mean, I guess it's not for me to say. 242 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.279 But what we do know is, you know, immediately after 243 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.440 the election, the governor and lieutenant governor separately floated this 244 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:39.879 idea that the state might scale back. The lieutenant governor 245 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.240 even mentioned like specific things that other that border security 246 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:46.000 money could be allocated for instead. So there was like 247 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.240 this kind of this like kind of like trial balloon 248 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:51.519 floated that was like, oh, but we also must consider 249 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:54.679 that in Texas, at least, like especially among Republican voters, 250 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.200 according to polling, there's like an endless appetite for border 251 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:01.320 security spending. So now we're seeing doubling down. So yeah, 252 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:03.759 for a minute, for a hot minute, it was like, 253 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:05.200 all right, we might cut back. 254 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:05.639 Yeah. 255 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:06.879 Now now it's like no. 256 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:08.879 Well there's yeah, there's no doubt that politically it's good 257 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.960 to say I'm spending so much money, But just policy wise, 258 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:15.159 is it wise for the state to be spending that 259 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.200 much money when there is a federal government that is 260 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:21.159 theoretically doing these things already. And another thing to point 261 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:23.240 out is that the governor has been going to d 262 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:25.960 C having meetings with President Trump, having meetings with the 263 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:29.759 congressional delegation about getting these eleven billion dollars back. That's 264 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.600 something that's been floated in the past before and obviously 265 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.759 has not worked. But it seems like maybe there's an 266 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.480 appetite now to get clost some of that money back. 267 00:12:40.200 --> 00:12:42.080 So that'll be interesting to see how it plays out, 268 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:43.960 because I can't imagine that the other states will be 269 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.639 too happy that Texas is getting eleven billion dollars or 270 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:47.279 some of that money. 271 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:48.720 Right, it's a little bit of a I mean, it's 272 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:50.000 like a weird you're set up a little bit of 273 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.039 a weird system, right of like you know, if we 274 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:55.960 you know, in Texas's mind, right like we're doing your 275 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:59.440 job for you on sort of on layaway and just 276 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:00.639 give us the mone me back later. 277 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:02.000 Is like you're setting. 278 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:04.720 Yourself up for some potential issues, but obviously, you know, 279 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:07.159 being I'm sure the state would be thrilled to get 280 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:08.039 eleven billion dollars. 281 00:13:08.120 --> 00:13:09.159 Well, it depends the state. 282 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.519 I think some states would probably support a reimbursement, such 283 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.559 as the governors who supported Operation Loans Start, right. 284 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.000 They just might get in line for money too, That's. 285 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:18.320 What I'm saying. 286 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:21.200 Like Florida sent people North Dakota, South Dakota cent people, 287 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:23.840 so it's like they want they probably want reimbursements, right. 288 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:26.080 I just would like to say, like if relevant, like 289 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.240 I would put myself in, I would like eleven billion 290 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:29.919 dollars if we're offering it. 291 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:30.840 I don't know for what. 292 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:34.279 I've never spent eleven billion dollars, but you know that'd 293 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:35.039 be my preference. 294 00:13:36.159 --> 00:13:36.919 Okay, Eleanor. 295 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:40.639 We've talked about this before, but the FEDS are now 296 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:45.240 following the blueprint that Texas has laid out on immigration enforcement, 297 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:48.240 on the immigration crackdown, and I want you to talk 298 00:13:48.279 --> 00:13:52.120 a bit about how Texas sort of did that in courts, 299 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:55.679 through the legal system, and because this is like something 300 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:58.519 that Texas has been doing for years now, for years now, 301 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:02.000 and you know, Governor Abbitt has talked about how the 302 00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:04.480 FEDS are now taking basically his model and taking up 303 00:14:04.519 --> 00:14:07.080 to the big leagues. So can you shed some light 304 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:08.919 on sort of what that looks like. 305 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:10.679 Yeah, I know this is something all Hundre and I've 306 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:12.639 talked about a lot, so feel fit to chime in 307 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:16.039 as well. But I do think you know, Texas, on 308 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:17.919 not just immigration, but on a number of issues, has 309 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:21.120 sort of made this broader playbook, right of like do 310 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:23.480 something that you know they say it couldn't be done, 311 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:26.320 Texas does it. We fight it through the courts and 312 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:31.000 like increasingly commonly, like the court side with Texas, you 313 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:34.799 know in some cases because of their you know, novel 314 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:37.600 legal theories holding up in some cases because you know, 315 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:39.879 they are able to get this in front of judges 316 00:14:39.919 --> 00:14:42.080 that you know, friendly judges to sort of see their 317 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:46.320 their argument. The Fifth Circuit obviously very conservative and a 318 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:48.159 lot of cases stall out there or you know, go 319 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.840 to the Supreme Court, which also obviously has a conservative majority. 320 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:51.960 So Texas has. 321 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.360 Done that on a number of things that you know, 322 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:59.639 then sort of become you know, legally more like more 323 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:01.960 sound than they were when Texas first passed the law, 324 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:05.960 first tried something immigration. We definitely have seen that you know, because. 325 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.080 When when they first present things, it's it sounds like, oh, 326 00:15:08.080 --> 00:15:08.639 that's crazy that. 327 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:10.159 Right now you're like, I mean, I think there's a 328 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:14.320 lot of stuff, I mean on immigration, on abortion, on 329 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:16.440 other stuff where Texas is like pushing the envelope where 330 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:19.080 like even we as reporters are like, oh, like do 331 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:20.639 we even need to write about that? Like it's just 332 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:24.279 like you know, conservative grandstanding, and then it passes, and 333 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.320 then it goes to court and then sometimes it holds up. 334 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:28.039 A lot of stuff does not end up holding up in. 335 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.120 Court, we should say, But on immigration in particular, you 336 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.200 know SP four I think is an example of this, 337 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:36.240 Like that has you know, a you know sort of 338 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:40.799 using setting up a legal theory that had not really 339 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:44.639 been tested before that legal experts feel like if it 340 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:48.080 was upheld in court, it's not just about you know, 341 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:51.240 is Texas's law sound or not. It's about like who 342 00:15:51.320 --> 00:15:53.639 has It's these like macro questions if who has the 343 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.600 authority to enforce immigration law, who has the authority to 344 00:15:57.600 --> 00:15:59.919 govern the border, and sort. 345 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:02.039 Of like what makes us a United States of America? 346 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:03.120 Like these big questions. 347 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:05.960 So Texas has definitely laid out the playbook for like 348 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.320 let's try stuff and let the courts tell us no. 349 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.799 And we're certainly seeing that. I think the Trump administration, 350 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:15.440 we should say, the Trump adminstration is going to is 351 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:17.440 already doing a lot of stuff that Texas has laid 352 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.840 out and tried. Just because the federal government is doing 353 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:25.279 it does not automatically mean it's legal either, Right, Like, 354 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:28.000 the Trump administration will face legal pushback. Yeah, that will 355 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:28.960 go through the courts as. 356 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.720 Well on things like executive orders on birthright citizenship, which 357 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:32.919 we've already seen being challenged. 358 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:34.639 Right, So it's going to be a similar playbook in 359 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:37.600 that which is like nothing is you know, immediate, but 360 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:39.639 it still can slowly shift things. 361 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:41.919 Yeah, And just to clarify that to s before the 362 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:44.759 most recent from twenty twenty three, not s before the 363 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.840 Sanctuary City's bill, which has also had some pretty novel 364 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:48.399 ideas on. 365 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:50.799 How to enforce immigration all one hundred. I want to 366 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:51.360 go back to you. 367 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:54.639 We discussed this proly previously on the show with our 368 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.720 DC reporter Matthew Troy. But there's a debate even among 369 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.440 congressional Texas Republicans about how to go forward with the 370 00:17:02.679 --> 00:17:06.400 immigration enforcement that the president wants. Should it be more 371 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:09.640 targeted towards people who have committed violent crimes, or is 372 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:12.640 it just a sort of catch all anybody who crosses 373 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:16.720 an immigration enforcement person that they're they're going to get 374 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:20.480 picked up and deported. What are you seeing in the 375 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:23.480 first couple of weeks of this Trump administration on that question. 376 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:29.119 Yeah, anecdotally, we're seeing that it's it's mostly everyone, like 377 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:33.440 any if you are undocumented in this country, it appears 378 00:17:33.640 --> 00:17:37.200 this the administration's posture is you are fair game for deportation. 379 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.720 And this was kind of expected. Some people are surprised 380 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:44.799 because they've heard statements such as, you know, Trump and 381 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:46.559 some of his advisors say that they were going to 382 00:17:46.559 --> 00:17:50.839 prioritize the most heinous criminals, people who've murdered, people who've raped, 383 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.160 people who have been released on bond and then committed 384 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:57.359 other crimes like they the administry, Trump and his advisors 385 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.240 focus often on these people. But what if I think 386 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:03.519 people either missed or didn't pay as much attention to, 387 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.720 is that the same people, including Trump and his advisors, 388 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:09.440 would criminalize everyone by saying, well, if you're in the 389 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:12.079 country illegally, you've broken a crime, so you are a 390 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:12.599 fair game. 391 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:14.480 And which is what we're seeing now, and that is. 392 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:16.039 I think it's fair to say that it is the 393 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:17.599 administration's posture, the wife. 394 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.240 And the press secretary of exactly. 395 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:23.160 Yeah. Yeah, So it's kind of we've seen like kind 396 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:25.480 of like a this criminalization but be like the acting 397 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:27.880 on it and being like, you know, well, if you're 398 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:29.640 a documented we're going to try to deport you. And 399 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:32.119 we've seen this anecdotally in Texas. My colleagues and I 400 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:34.640 have reported on that some but also bigger picture, we've 401 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:39.319