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Speaker 1: All right, and we're just about ready. Here we go,

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coming down in three two one, and we are back

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with another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle,

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Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist and your experience Shirpa

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on today's Quest for Knowledge. As always, you can email

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wherever you download your podcast, and of course to the

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premium version of our website as well. Our guest today

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is Ryan Anderson, President of the Ethics and Public Policy

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Center EPPC's new eyeopening study found a shocking eleven percent

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of women suffer at least one serious adverse effect within

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forty five days of taking the abortion pill known as

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Miffa pristone for an abortion. Ryan, thank you so much

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for being here on this very important topic.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be with you,

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and you're exactly right.

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Speaker 3: This is a vitally important topic and so I'm very

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glad to get to discuss it with you for the

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Federalist audience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know of anything more important. When we're

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talking about the foundation of this great republic. Life comes

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first in the whole notion of life, liberty, and the

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pursuit of happiness. This was from my colleague Jordan Boyd,

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excellent reporter here at the Federalist and producer of this

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fine show, The Federalist Radio Hour, noting this study. Abortion advocates,

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their allies in the corporate media, and even the US

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Food and Drug Administration insists the pill responsible for more

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than half of the nation's abortions, is safe and effective.

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The new wide ranging analysis of insurance claims regarding the

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abortion drug regimen, however, found that the rate of life

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threatening complications due to this wonder drug so called was

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twenty two times higher than that what the FDA and

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the drugs manufacturer suggest. That is shocking, to say the least.

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Tell us how this study came about? What you looked at?

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Speaker 3: Sure, so you know, as your listeners know, all of

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our data is for sale, whether it's our smartphone data,

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our GPS data, our Internet browsing, or our health insurance data.

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And so we were able to get access to an

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all pair insurance claims database from twenty seventeen to twenty

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twenty three. And that database it had over eight hundred

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and sixty five thousand insurance claims.

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Speaker 2: For mifipress stone abortions.

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Speaker 3: We then analyze, you know, this entire data set, looked

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at all, right, of women who are prescribed mithipres stone

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for abortions, right, so we excluded people who are prescribed

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mithiprestone for miscarriage or for other purposes. We looked at

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where the insurance code was for abortion, what rate within

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a forty five day period then experienced a serious adverse event,

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you know, using the technical definition that the FDA eight itself.

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Speaker 2: Uses, that was caused by the abortion pill.

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Speaker 3: And what we discovered, as you said, it was nearly

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eleven percent of women, it was ten point nine to

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three percent of women. That's one in nine women who

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take the abortion drug mifipres stone will then experience within

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forty five days a serious adverse event that's related to

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the abortion pill.

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Speaker 2: So also, you know, some of the critics.

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Speaker 3: Are like, well, you just counted anyone that had something

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bad happened. No, it's like over seventy percent of women

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who ended up in the er we excluded from our

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analysis because they went to the er for something utterly

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unrelated to the abortion pill. We only counted someone who

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experienced a serious aditors event where it was related. And

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as you said, that's twenty two times higher than what

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the FDA claims. The FDA label says it's less than

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zero point five percent of women who will suffer such

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a complication. We're seeing that it's in real life more

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like eleven percent, twenty two times higher.

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Speaker 1: That is astounding, absolutely astounding. And of course all of

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the research, if you will, all of the approvals for

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the abortion pill go back what about a quarter of

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a century now, don't they.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 3: So it was first approved in the United States in

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the year two thousand under the Clinton administration, and at

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the time when the Clinton administration, FDA approved this it

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required three in person doctor visits. It would only be

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allowed to be prescribed if gestational age was seven weeks

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or younger. It could only be prescribed by a physician.

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pill was taken at the office, it required a follow

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up doctor visit three day later to make sure things

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were going okay, and then it required an additional doctor

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visit two weeks after that. In twenty sixteen, Obama reduced

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this to one in person doctor visit.

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Speaker 2: The pills were.

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Speaker 3: Dispensed in the office, but they didn't have to be

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rid of all of those safety provisions. No more in

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person doctor visits, no more dispensing in person. This allowed

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for telehealth visits and mail order abortion pills. Why this

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is so dangerous is that if you're further along than

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seven or ten weeks in pregnancy, the abortion pill may

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not work, and that's going to lead the life threatening complications.

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developing in the fallopian tube, not in the uterus, the

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abortion pill isn't going to work. And so by eliminating

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the in person doctor visits, by eliminating the in person

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dispensing of this medication, both the Obama and Biden administrations

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we're really just playing Russian Roulette with the lives of women.

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So one of the things that we're hopeful for is

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that the Trump FDA can reinstate the original safety provisions.

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Here women deserve to know the truth about the risks

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that they're going to be undertaking with this, and women

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deserve to have safe healthcare.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the realities at the.

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Speaker 3: Abortion pill when it works kills the unborn baby. At

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the very least, the Trump FDA should make sure that

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eleven percent of the time it's not also threatening the

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life of the mother.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, this is very scary stuff, eye opening to say

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the least. This I think really sums it up this

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quote that you had in the statement. Again, you'll find

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this story at the Federalist dot com. The study is

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the statistical equivalent of a Category five hurricane hitting the

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prevailing narrative of the abortion industry. It reveals, based on

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real world data, the shocking number of women who suffer

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serious medical consequences because of the abortion pill. So this

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is the question, if these indeed are the consequences, and

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the consequences are much more severe than even the FDA

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has reported, does this open a floodgate? All of the

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women who experienced all of these complications and in too

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many cases, very very serious health threatening complications.

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Speaker 3: Say more by what you mean by opening the floodgate.

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Speaker 1: I'm just to put it simply, I'm curious if this,

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if there will be lawsuits coming out of this given

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their study.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, so anything is possible. I'm not

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a lawyer, so I don't want to speak to whether

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or not we could see you know, medical malpractice or

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class action lawsuits, or you know, anything like that. I mean,

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obviously things like this have happened in the past.

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Speaker 2: We did see with.

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Speaker 3: Various painkillers opioids that there were lawsuits against the pharmaceutical companies.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't speculate on that.

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Speaker 3: I think more immediately what we would like to see

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is the Trump FDA reinstate these safety protections. What's telling

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about our studies that because we used real world health

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insurance data, this is not what happens under an idealized

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clinical trial study where everything is followed, you know, by

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the tee. This is what happens in the real world, right.

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This is what happens when the safety protections were removed

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by Obama and by Biden. This is what happens when

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doctors prescribe the abortion pill without verifying gestational age, and

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so women are taking the abortion pill when they're no

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longer in the first trimester, you know, they're in the

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second or the third trimester. This is what happens when

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people cut corners, which unfortunately is what happens in real

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life medicine. And so I think, to a certain extent,

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like what subsequent papers, we're going to be doing a

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series of analyzes of the data that we have access to,

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and unfortunately, what we're already seeing is that it is

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not always prescribed or dispensed the way that it ought

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to be. And part of that is because the FDA

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has removed the requirements for how it ought to be

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prescribed and dispensed.

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Speaker 1: I guess that is the question. You would like to

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see these precautions put in place by the FDA. Seems

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like we're getting some mixed signals from the FBA and

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from the the person who leads the FDA. Where do

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you think things stand right now? Where do they go

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from here?

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Speaker 3: Sure, President Trump and Vice President Advance made it clear

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when they were campaigning that they were in favor of

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quote access to MiFi prestone. We're not asking for right

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now that they would remove access to MiFi prestone. We're

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asking that they would reinstate safety protections that existed for

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the first sixteen years. You know this, This drug was

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approved in the year two thousand. It was twenty and

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sixteen that the you know, last year of the Obama administration,

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that they weakened those safety rags, and then Biden, using

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COVID as an excuse, temporarily removed the last remaining in

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person doctor visit and in person dispensation, and then in

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twenty twenty three made those changes permanent. So I think,

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in keeping with what they have said about access to

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MiFi prestone, they can say we support access, but it

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has to be safe, at least for the mother. I

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also think this is in keeping with what RFK said

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about make America healthy. You cannot make America healthy again

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if you have a drug on the market that has

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an all eleven percent rate of serious adverse event.

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Speaker 2: And then I think this also fits with, you know.

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Speaker 3: One of the promises that President Trump made, both the

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first time he ran and then the second time he

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said he was going to undo all of the stupid

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things that Obama did, and second time he runs. All

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the stupid things that Biden has done. Eliminating these safety

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protections were mistakes that his predecessors, the Obama and the

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Biden administration, did, so I think Trump can make good

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on the promises that he made the American people, to

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make America healthy again, to undo the stupid, misguided policies

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from the Obama and Biden years, without in any way

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going back on what he said about supporting access to

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the pill. He should just support access with certain safety provisions,

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and then I think we can then, you know, later

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have a discussion about whether or not this pill is

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actually safe for the unborn baby, because obviously it isn't.

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Speaker 2: Safe for the unborn baby.

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Speaker 3: But for right now, I think we should start by

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looking at whether or not it's safe for the mother.

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Speaker 1: It's deadly for the unborn baby, and it always is

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and it always will be. That's the design of this

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death drug. But we have seen women lose their lives

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because of this death drug. Final question for you, I think, ultimately,

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what your study, what your organization aims to do is

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to make known the real story here that this is

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a bigger problem than previously assumed. How do you do

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that when so many in the legacy corporate accomplice media

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refuse to even mention the study or to talk about

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this in any level of detail.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's why it's so great that we

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have the Federalist. As you mentioned, the reporting that Jordan

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has done on this has been outstanding. Being able to

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go on the Federalist Radio hour and talk with you

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about this report is really important. There's a number there

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are a number of other new media, center right media

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that have really picked up this story and run with it.

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I think you guys have led with it, and others

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have been running with it as well. I think that's

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how we bypass the gatekeepers in corporate media and mainstream,

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you know, legacy media. I think to a certain extent,

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a lot of people don't realize the truth about the

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deadly complications of the abortion pill. Deadly both to the

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unborn child, as you know, but also in many cases

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to the women.

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Speaker 2: Who take it.

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Speaker 3: And so part of this is that women deserve to

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know the truth about chemical abortion, and the FDA owes

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it to women. The current label on the pill says

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that it's the abortion pill, says it's less than zero.

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Speaker 2: Point five percent. That's not the truth. And so at

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Speaker 3: Inform women the truth about this. And then I think,

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you know, this is part of an incrementalist strategy. The

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ultimate goal here is to make sure that every baby

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has his or her life protected in law, welcomed in life.

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Speaker 1: It's horrifying on so many levels, but particularly because there

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are people in this country playing politics with the truth

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and that is absolutely unacceptable. Thanks to my guest today,

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Ryan Anderson, President of the Ethics and Public Policy Center,

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The center's new eye opening study found a shocking eleven

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percent of women suffer at least one serious adverse effect

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within forty five days of taking mifiprestone for an abortion.

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Very stunning information, very important information. Thank you so much

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for joining us on this edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I guess I was recording without the microphone on,

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so that's yet another good twist to all of this.

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it's been one thing after another. We're going to record

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here momentarily after they stop driving me insane. This has

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been quite the day. This is the second part, the

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monologue part, to fill out the fifteen minutes that we

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will require here of the podcast. Do our level best

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to do that, and we will do that. Coming down

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in three two one. There are a lot of incredibly

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sad things, troubling things clearly about this late study. Troubling

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that there are eleven percent of women that experience complications,

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some very serious complications from this so called wonder drug

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of an abortion pill that's been on the market for

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twenty five years now. It's troubling that the numbers are

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twenty two percent higher, the problems associated with it twenty

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two percent higher than we got from the manufacturer, from

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the FDA. Very very troubling. Sad or still is the

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fact that nobody in the corporate media, or very few,

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seem interested about getting the word out to the people

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who need this information most. That that is troubling. As

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my colleague Jordan Boyd wrote at The Federalist under the

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headline media blackout on abortion pill study proves they never

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cared about Amber Thurman's death. I think it spells out

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exactly what's at stake and why the usual suspects in

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the corporate media are so loath to report on this

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very new round of information, this study that goes well

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beyond expansively what we've known about this drug for some time.

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the twenty twenty four election cycle trying to pin deaths

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directly linked to the abortion pill on pro life policies.

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Their lies and deceptions primarily centered on the story of

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Amber Thurman, a Georgia woman who died alongside her twin

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babies after suffering complications stemming from the abortion pill. You

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remember this story. This was a big part of the

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left the Democratic Party's pursuit of using the abortion issue

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the unfettered access to abortion on demand, as part of

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their major talking point. It was not as successful, certainly

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as it was in the twenty twenty two midterms following

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the Supreme Court's landmark decision that overturned Roe v. Wade,

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But Thurman's death, as Jordan Wrights, is no doubt the

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direct result of a two drug regimen, Mifa pristone and misoprostol,

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responsible for more than half of the nation's abortions. Get

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outlets such as Pro Publica skipped past Mifa prestone's known

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correlation with serious adverse effects to insist that women who

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took the pills, such as Thurman and Candy Miller, lost

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their lives due to the pro life laws the narrative

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and the actual story. The left's narrative and their pr

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agents in the corporate media don't often line up the

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real story and the narrative, and that was the case

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years after Thurman's death. Jordan writes, the harmful and sometimes

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fatal effects of the abortion drug on women and their

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babies are no doubts. Still news yet yet when the

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largest known study of the abortion pill debuted last week

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showing the rate of serious or life threatening complications after

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the abortion pill is twenty two times higher than the

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US Food and Drug Administration and the mifipristone manufacturer Danko

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Laboratory suggest the same outlets that spent months nearing pro

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life protections to advance Democrats' radical abortion agenda were well,

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they were silent, and perhaps to the surprise of no one.

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What one senator in particular is hopeful for is that

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the man who now leads the Food and Drug Administration

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is not silent, but indeed steps forward and talks about

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where he ultimately stands on these issues. A Josh Holly,

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Senator from Missouri wrote a very compelling piece and op

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ed in The Federalist, and you can find it at

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Federalist dot Com published on Monday, but in short, Senator

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Holly notes that US Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Marty

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mckarey recently told a DC get together that he has

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no plans to take action on mithipristone, the chemical abortion

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drug responsible for more than seventy percent of abortions in

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the United States. That's undecidedly different, an undecidedly different answer,

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Holly writes, than the one he gave the Senator under

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oath during his confirmation hearing, doctor mcarey pledged to quote

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review the totality of data with respect to the abortion pill.

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or tells us that there's a real signal, we can't

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promise we're not going to act on that data. It's

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an interesting term and a phrase, to say the very least,

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it has the feel of a protective stance, that is

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to say, protecting the Secretary and the Commissioner. I should say,

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as Holly continues, the new data is here, as we've

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been talking about, and it is sending a signal that

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can't be missed. If a prestone is not safe. He

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goes into the study, and we've talked a good deal

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about that. What the number is show and as I

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mentioned before, if the corporate media isn't absolutely ignoring this story,

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which in most cases it is, it has spent some

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amount of time in trying to attack the messenger, which

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is what the corporate media does. As Holly notes, and

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the numbers tell us, the data is absolutely astounding, jaw dropping,

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jaw dropping numbers, and they have been largely hidden from

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the public, and as we talked about earlier, they have

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been largely hidden from the public thanks to the FBA.

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The rate of serious health events revealed in the study

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again is twenty two times greater than the numbers reported

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on the FDA approved drug label. The FDA's official numbers,

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by the way, rely on clinical trials more than four

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decades old. At the very least, there needs to be

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a whole regime of critical trials that are not four

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decades old. That's for sure. And what our guest today,

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Ryan Anderson, president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center,

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the folks that put together this new eye opening study

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is saying, and what a lot of advocates are saying,

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at the very least, you need to put in the

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safeguards that were removed at the end of the Obama

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administration to at least protect people, so many women who

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are unaware of the seriousness the consequences of taking this

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abortion pill. As Hally notes, the federal government once acknowledged

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those serious risks of the dangerous drug when if a

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presst own was first to prove, the government imposed a

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host of safety measures. Those included prescription by physician only,

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a requirement that physicians dispense the drug, mandatory follow up

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physician visits, reporting of adverse effects, and even a black

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box warning learning women to the drugs many dangers. And

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all of this was done originally by Bill Clinton President

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Bill Clinton in two thousand before he left, before Obama left,

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everything was removed, all of those safeguards, all of those

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safety procedures, and that act put so many women their

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very lives in danger because of this drug. And what

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we're finding out is how much more dangerous this drug

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is than advertised. This is a wake up call for

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the FDA, an FDA that intends to make America healthy again.

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At least that's what the commissioner has said in his

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opening statements when he became the commissioner. No doubt a

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solid first step in making America and Americans healthy again,

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the women of this country healthy again, is to make

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sure they know the full dangers and are at least

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at some level protected from them as they were twenty

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five years ago. Those of us in the pro life

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movement in America would like to see this drug no

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longer as accessible as it is. As accessible as a

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universal mail in ballot in California, anybody can get it

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at any time. It's abortion on demand. It's problematic for

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a lot of reasons, but at the very least knowing

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the days of this drug to women, Women at least

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should have the benefit of knowing the dangers of this drug.

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You can guarantee one thing. Jordan Boyd, our excellent reporter

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who's been working on these stories and these issues, will

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continue to report on them, as well as other members

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of our excellent Federalist staff. And you can find what

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you can't find elsewhere in the usual realm of corporate

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media and prov depress accomplice media. You can find important

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life saving information like this at the Federalist dot com. Again,

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I want to thank my guest today, Ryan Anderson, President

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of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, EPPC's new eye

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opening study found a shocking eleven percent of women suffer

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at least one serious adverse effect within forty five days

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of taking if a pristone for an abortion. You've been

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listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour. I'm

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Matt Kittle's senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be

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back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom

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and anxious for the fray. Okay, Well, hopefully that a recorded,

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and hopefully that doesn't suck. Did my best to expound

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on the subject butchering the name. I screw the name

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up all the time of the product. But hopefully that's

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not too glaring in here. We'll shut this down and

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I think that will give us, I believe, a full

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thirty minutes, which is I think we need to make

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sure that we've got this all set.

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Speaker 3: Okay,