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Speaker 1: The following presentation isn Del Marvis Studio's production.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network. Here is

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your host, George Hobbs.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time

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for another edition of the fact Hunter podcast as we

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record on this Tuesday morning, March the thirty first, twenty

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twenty six. Hard to believe that March will be coming

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to a close here in just fifteen hours. This year's

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just flying by a quarter of the way through. And

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it's interesting to see where we'll be in the next

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ninety days with everything that's going on in the world.

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Tumultuous markets, oil prices, wars and rumors of wars, you know,

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just an interesting time, what a time to be alive,

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as they say, Lots to get to. And today's main

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topic again is Operations Sea Spray and we covered it

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five years ago and I'm sure we mentioned it during

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radio shows and other podcasts, but this is gonna kind

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of tie into other events and for Dietrich. But the

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bigger picture, how in the world did we let people

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get away with this? Nobody asked to be part of

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this experiment, right. It goes from Operation Sea Spray to

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you know, COVID, the the threats get injected. You know,

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you can't say you live in a free society and

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be involuntarily subjected to these poisons. Before we get into

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the podcast, couple things next week. I'm very excited for

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next week's episode. We have a guest. His name's Matthew.

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He's got a great YouTube channel. I've already talked to

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him once, talk about state citizen Try that again, state citizenship,

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our true Republic. And I think you're really going to

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enjoy the discussion. This is one of those topics where

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I think almost everybody's interested, but the water is so murky, right,

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nobody wants to step into it. I think he's going

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to bring a lot of clarity to it, and I

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think you'll enjoy the conversation. That'll be next Tuesday night

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at eight o'clock Eastern. I think we're actually chatting on Monday,

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but as per usual that we'll be released on Tuesday. Now,

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the big news the book is finally out after an

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extra couple weeks of Edits just when you think.

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Speaker 4: You have it all figured out, Hey what about this?

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Speaker 3: But I encourage everyone to go to Foundations in Faith

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dot net. Foundations in Faith dot net and our website.

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You can find our new book, Finally, Drop You Are

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Not Who You Were, a guide for new believers. The

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link to Amazon is there.

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Speaker 4: You can order.

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Speaker 3: It's very inexpensive. It's four dollars and ninety nine cents.

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I employ you to buy if you choose to the

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physical copy, even if you are so well read.

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Speaker 4: Into the scriptures.

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Speaker 3: Think of this as a kind of an elongated Bible tracked,

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a very in depth Bible tracked. It's only about seventy

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four seventy five pages, but it's meant for someone who

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just came into the faith. And this is something I

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realized right after going around passing Bible tracks urging people

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to get saved. They don't have that discipleship portion. Right,

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I'm saved, now what?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: So we have built the framework of a five book

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series that is again starts from the crawl, walk, run stage.

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It's meant for anybody who is new to the faith

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to pick up, to be able to easily digest. It's

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not some in depth theological type of book that you

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know it's going to be difficult for people to understand.

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the way we wrote the series book two. Again, we

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build out all the framework on every book before we started,

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so the success shouldn't be like years.

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Speaker 4: At a time.

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Speaker 3: They should be coming out in a fairly orderly manner.

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But again please go to foundations and faith dot net

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if you want to support the cause, buy a book,

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keep it in your car. You meet someone who's you

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know you're witnessing too, you can hand it to them

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with a Bible tract as well. And there's also at

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the bottom right we've been given out free bibles since

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the fall. We also at the bottom of the website

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if you want a free Bible, they can sign up

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and we'll ship it. So you know, the two dollars

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and of course the operations here. And it's all about

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getting the word out right. As I said at the

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top of the podcast, we're living in tumultuous times, right,

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and it's important that we focus on the truth, right

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John fourteen six. So thanks for all your support over

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the years. I greatly appreciate it. Again, this is a

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five book series with a very with the intentional release

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of the books. She'll understand the succession of them one

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through five, and I hope it helps. Again, it's not

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meant to replace anything. It's just another tool for your toolbox.

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So there you go, Foundations and faith dot Net. Okay,

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I think that's all. That's yeah, that's all the housekeeping.

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Operation Sea Spray as always give you the official narrative.

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It was a nineteen fifty US Navy and secret biological

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warfare experiment in which Sarah sh Marskins and Baculus trophius.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I said that wrong.

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the succession of events right the end of World War Two,

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obviously with Stalin, the millions and millions of people killed

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in Germany and all around the world post World War Two, right,

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your history book kind of says the good guys win

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the end, everybody goes home. Nothing could be further from

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the truth. Then, of course, the state of the geopolitical

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state of Israel is born and then you know, all

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of these things take place operations c spray, MK Ultra,

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the hippie movement that was not organic. Read Dave McGowan's

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book Weird Scenes, on and on and on right all

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the way through COVID. Like I said, right, So, the

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whole meaning behind this was to determine how vulnerable a

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city like San Francisco may be to a bio weapon attack.

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got slightly ill is wrong. And you don't know what

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years down the road. So again, the official narrative is

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starting on September twentieth, nineteen fifty and continuing all the

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the shore of San Francisco. Based on results from monitoring

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equipment at forty three locations around the city, the Army

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determined that San Francisco had received enough of a dose

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the Numberg Code. Well, actually, here we go. Nineteen forty

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seven explicitly states that voluntary, unco worse consent is mandatory

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for physical autonomy and human experimentation for who being.

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the region with bacteria. And again, this is three years

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consent and entire city. That was seventy six years ago.

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even though Hollywood tells us don't look up, right, but

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look up. They spray us every single day, every single day. Now,

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NBC news. Do you have the new COVID variant flu

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times meaning to it as well? Right, along with other

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respiratory illnesses and stomach bugs. So they are pushing b

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they're spraying us with. It's exactly what it is. Yesterday

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we were outside, wife went off to work, me and

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my daughter. We looked up and the camtrails were so wide,

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the sky was so covered.

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Speaker 3: The spring is to make us sick. Their sprang is

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to try to keep us from the creator. There's many

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reasons they're doing it, but again, the fact that seventy

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six years ago they sprayed an entire city, not just

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poisoning a well, they sprayed an entire city and made

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people ill without giving anyone. You know, hey, we're looking

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Speaker 4: We'd be willing to pay you.

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Speaker 3: This will cover your medical expenses down the road.

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and their testimony, but of course they said any link

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to their experiments totally coincidental.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: And then in eighty one, Nevin's surviving family members actually

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filed suit against the federal government alleging negligence and responsibility

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for his death, as well as financial and emotional harm

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the lower court ruled against them, primarily because the test,

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unproven to be responsible for Nevin's death. Now, the family

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which declined to overturn lower court judgments. So once again

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the corporation covering for the corporation. So in those Senate

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tests of biological agents were conducted two hundred and thirty

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nine times. That's not a misprint. They've done that two

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hundred and thirty nine times. In eighty of those experiments,

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the armiesaid it used live bacteria that its researchers at

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've been.

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Speaker 3: Doing this for six years and it's to the point

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where we just read it off. So matter of factly,

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between nineteen forty nine and nineteen sixty nine, our governments

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sprayed us with biological agents two hundred and thirty nine times.

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We gotta go, gotta go to work, got to pick

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so we can pay for our four dollars a gallon

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just disgusting the things that are going on right that

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they send our children off to endless Wars, Vietnam, Desert Storm,

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Iraq weapons of mass destruction. All the while we're getting

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poisoned right here at our home by the same people

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who we're supposed to be looking out for us. In

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the nineteen fifties, Army researchers dispersed zinc cadmium sulfide, a

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known cancer causing agent, over Minnesota. Maybe that explains a

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they would spread in the atmosphere. There's nothing funny about

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it at all. The particles were detected more than a

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thousand miles away in New York State. So they did

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subtleus variant called Niger, also believed to be harmless, in

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the subway system, by dropping light bulbs filled with the

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and again, these guys are always investigating themselves concluded in

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Speaker 4: But wait, there's more.

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Speaker 3: In a May nineteen sixty five secret lease of Baculus

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the bacteria and traveled to thirty nine cities in seven

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states in the two weeks following the Mark attack.

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Speaker 4: But Wuhan, the wet market in Wuhan.

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Speaker 3: They've been doing it right here in this country since

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the end of World War Two.

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Speaker 4: The people who.

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Speaker 3: Are sworn to defend you and protect.

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Speaker 4: You are poisoning you. Think about it.

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Speaker 3: You got you know the fall of nineteen fifty. San Francisco,

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beautiful city, right fog rolling in.

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Speaker 4: Nobody knows the.

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Speaker 3: Navy is out there spraying bacteria into the air to

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see how a major American city would respond to a

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biological attack. This isn't a test. I mean, this is

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this is for real. Nobody signed up for this. It's insane,

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it is insane. So and this is not for glory,

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this is no story. This is legitimate and nobody oh,

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no accountability. Right, So again their objective was let's see

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how vulnerable an American coastal city would be.

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Speaker 4: Right. So you have the National.

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Speaker 3: Research Council tracing the origins of the American biological warfare

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back to the beginning of our involvement in World War Two,

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and once again Secretary of War Henry Stimpson asking for

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a secret study of a biological warfare possibility, and once

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again our good friends at Fort Dietrich they were chosen

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as the center of this large scale research and development.

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So again, Sea Spray did not emerge out of anywhere, right,

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it came out of an established national security apparatus that

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was already to build seriously about germ warfare. But the

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bigger picture is Sea Spray isn't just about a local

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San Francis story. It's one field test inside a broader

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American biological warfare program that sought to understand not only

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the pathogens themselves, but delivery systems atmospheric spread A city's

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vulnerability and population exposure. How much do we have to

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disperse to make these people sick? And again we are

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talking way before I was ever born. This stuff was

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going on, and I'm twenty nine. PBS is summary of

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the era places the San Francisco release along other secret

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field tests performed by military units associated with Camp Deetrick

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at the time, and it's Special Operations divisions. So the

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pattern's clear here, right. We're going to start with these

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small controlled tests and then larger real world experiments meant

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to simulate how a biological strike might actually work in

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an American city. So San Francisco was a natural choice

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from the military's point of view, large dense coastal framed

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by terrain and water in ways that made it useful

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for studying how an aerosol cloud might move through an

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urban environment. So through reporting and drawing on later records

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and interviews, it notes that the military specifically wanted to

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know whether a small vessel offshore could release a biological

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agent that would ride the inland air and blanket a

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city like San Francisco or even parts of the East Bay.

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So the bays, fog and the wind patterns were variables

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in this experiment. That's why they chose San Francisco. Wasn't random.

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So obviously you know, we're told it takes place September

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of nineteen fifty. Now do differ slightly on the exact

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start dated in later summer, but again the core event

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is what we discussed earlier. Navy vessel offshore and how

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many people on that ship knew what was going on?

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Somebody had to know, right. The Smithsonian reports that the

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spring began from a Navy mind sweeper about two miles

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off shore and continued for again six or seven days,

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describes the experiment as lasting eight days six to eight

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days the different reports.

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Speaker 4: I think it was q quid.

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Speaker 3: Those small differences in later retellings don't change the central fact.

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The military deliberately released bacteria into the air over the

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Bay area.

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Speaker 4: From a ship at sea.

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Speaker 3: So again the bacteria chosen for the test was Seratia

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marskins I'm sure I said that wrong, and Baccius globogi,

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the latter often described in historical accounts as this simulant

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organism that is used to mimic the behavior of more

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dangerous biological agents. If you are indeed a subscriber to

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the germ theory. At the same time, military researchers believe

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these materials were either harmless or sufficiently harmless for open

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air testing. Oh, if they get a cold, they'll be okay, right,

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So their goal was to have something detectable, but they

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claim they weren't trying to get anybody sick. Right now,

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They do note that the ceratia marscanins was attractive for

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this kind of experiment because it could be detected readily.

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It's something that was detectable, and for a test you

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obviously need something that is detectable.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Again, at the same time, it was regarded as not

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normally dangerous to healthy people. So again that was the

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basis of their quote unquote ethical defense of the test.

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Speaker 4: Well, it was supposed to be safe.

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Speaker 3: Again, it doesn't matter if you are going to include

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somebody in a test that in any way, shape or

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form puts something in their body, you need consent. And again,

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it wasn't random, it was measured, it was observed, it

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was data driven. The military set up I think it

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was forty three sampling stations around the San Francisco area

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to track the cloud determine how far it traveled. According

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to many outlets. Those stations showed the aerosol spread across

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the city and beyond, well into the East Bay communities,

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with detections reported as far as twenty three miles away.

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And that's important because it means the operation was not

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a rough guess or a one off stint right. This

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was an organized urban dispersion study that is designed to

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quantify exposure and prove that a biological agent released offshore

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could move through a metropolitan area on a very large scale.

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So the military's own conclusions, as summarized and later reporting

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and historical retrospectives, were very interesting. Now PBS again, the

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source says that the San Francisco experiments showed exposure amongst

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all of the city's eight hundred thousand residents, almost all

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of the city's eight hundred thousand residents now kqued. KQED

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quotes the army summary and even more grete terms, at

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normal breathing rates, every one of the city's eight hundred

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thousand people exposed to the cloud did one hundred percent

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inhale five thousand or more of these fluorescent particles.

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Speaker 4: Think about it.

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Speaker 3: That shows what the military believed, what it was learning.

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They were not merely checking to see if the bacteria

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would drift inland. They were validating their delivery concept. So

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you know, they did it under the guise of, you know,

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could a hostile power, you know, use an aerosol cloud

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offshore to expose a dense civilian population, right, And that

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was the reason. They always have their reason, their alibi.

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The National Research Council's historical overview makes it clear that

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the larger biological warfare program was deeply invested in weapons

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systems production, on the large scale developmental operations and sea spray.

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It fit that logic perfectly. It was a proof of

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concept test that was carried out over an open air city. Unbelievable.

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Nobody in the public was ever informed. There was no consent,

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no warning, no opportunity for people to opt out. You know,

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if you don't want to be here, you'll have to

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leave the city for seven days, you know, and that

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whole week, you know, it's the fall. People open their windows,

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people went to their jobs, the school children moved throughout

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the city. And listen, man, if this was me or you,

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we'd be swinging from the gallows pole, right, I mean,

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one hundred percent. But because a person does it under

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the guise of US Army or US Navy or Fort Dietrich.

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That's okay, I don't think so. So even before we

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get to the illnesses, the lawsuits, the Senate hearings, the

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wider pattern of domestic testing, that the basic facts are

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the deeper issues again, the US military, the US government

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acting under the banner of national security. And it's time

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and time again, whether it's the Patriot Act, whether it's

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COVID because of national security, treats Americans as a testing environment,

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as if we're secondary, as if we don't matter. And

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I tell people all the time, and I look forward

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to kind of talking about this with Matt next week.

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You know, being sovereign, not just being told you're free,

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but being free, the things that go on, asking permission

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for everything.

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Speaker 4: Paying taxes.

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Speaker 3: You know, you pay thirty thousand dollars a year in

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taxes to be poisoned by the people you pay taxes to.

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Speaker 4: It's egregious. Whatever you know.

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Speaker 3: That you pay in taxes, and I mean for everything,

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your property taxes, your income taxes.

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Speaker 4: Even y'all who live in.

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Speaker 3: Florida and Texas, right, I don't think they have income taxes.

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They get you with sales taxes. They get you coming,

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they get you going. You want to go to their university,

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You're going to pay seven thousand dollars a semester.

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Speaker 4: It's just getting blood out of a turnip. Right, you'd

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think that.

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Speaker 3: We'd be hooked up, they'd be taking care of it. Well,

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we give you social Security, Well we paid for that, right.

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It's just unbelievable that this is one egregious example of

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thousands that we've been inundated with in this country. So

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you know, again this bacterium is rarely seen as the

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cause of a serious disease. But again it did appear,

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and well, I don't think we'll ever know truly the

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long standing issue of what happened with that experiment long term, Right,

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we talked about Edward Nevin and that lawsuit.

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Speaker 4: It didn't work out for him or his family.

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Speaker 3: The military again had released Ceratia marcisans into the air

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over San Francisco, and that within that short period, patients

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that were already in a hospital at a major hospital

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developed infections that were caused for that organism. Right, And

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we only know one got maybe others did right for

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every one thing like with Verhirs, right for every one

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person who reports. For every one to five person that

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actually takes the time to report, we know there's one

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hundred that don't. So I always say multiply those numbers

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by at least one hundred. So imagine this that major

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hospital in San Francisco. Hospitals, by definition, contain people with

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weakened immune systems, with surgical wounds, with invasive devices. Now

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a bacterium that may not harm a perfectly healthy eighteen

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year old person, Right, it is going to behave differently

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in inside a clinical setting. How many people got sick

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and died the following week, the following month, early in

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nineteen fifty one, Right.

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Speaker 4: We'll never know.

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Speaker 3: But again, the government experts and later legal arguments emphasized

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that causation had not been proven. Really, you sprayed the city.

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You should pay every citizen something. Right, If I go

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donate plasma, you get paid something. If you volunteer to

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try the new pharmaceutical, you're going to get paid something.

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You just sprayed an entire city. I don't care if

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you think it's harmless or not. There is no like

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milk's good for you. Well, it's good for most people,

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but there are people who are allergic to it lactose intolerant.

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You can't just say one thing is okay for everyone.

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Everybody's system is a little different. And unfortunately, mister Nevin

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and his family not only lost the lawsuit, but lord

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knows how much money that family lost in legal fees. Right,

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at minimum, the case did force the government to acknowledge that, yes,

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the test had occurred, but again, it did not produce,

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pardon me, a definitive ruling that the experiment caused the infection.

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Courts ultimately sided with the government, largely on the grounds

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that causation could not be scientifically established after so many

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years and without conclusive strain identification. So, and this is

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what they do. They kick the can down the road

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because that passage of time takes this sting off the effects,

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and that time that passed works heavenly in the favor

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of uncertainty. Right, Records weren't complete, samples were not available, right,

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they want the science, where's the microbial fingerprints? Well, it's

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not around yet, right, So they weren't capable of making

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that kind of precise comparison that modern laboratories today could perform.

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But the legal outcome, who cares what the legal outcome

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was that didn't resolve the ethical question. Even if you accept, right,

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you love the government, you want to make America great again.

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Even if you accept the government's position that causation was

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not proven, the underlying issue remains unchanged. A civilian population

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was exposed to bacteria without consent, and within that population

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where individuals at higher risk of infection, and one of

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those individuals, mister Nevin, died after contracting contracting the same organism.

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Speaker 4: Used in the experiment.

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Speaker 3: So again the other layer to the controversy is what

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doesn't get enough attention. So again, the entire defense of

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Operation Sea Spray depended on the assumption that the Ceratia

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masquersons were harmless. And again that reflects a quote unquote

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scientific understanding if you will, of the time, but it

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was incomplete. But now people say, yeah, siatia can cause infections,

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particularly in hosp hospital hospitalized patients who have weak immune systems,

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the elderly. Right, So the very population most vulnerable to

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harm was the population that was least considered in the

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planning of the experiment. So the whole controversy surrounding Edward

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Nevin illustrates a deeper problem. When these experiments are conducted

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in secret, without medical overseeing, without you know, even consent.

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My goodness, you can't trace the consequences.

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Speaker 4: It's impossible.

477
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Speaker 3: I'm telling you. If all that were monitored, collected in

478
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,159
environmental samples, they tracked exposure data, I think people would

479
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:42,400
be blown away by the numbers. Would people actually rise

480
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,480
up and be angry and demand accountability?

481
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.

482
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:53,199
Speaker 3: We're a very passive, you know population. We're more inundated

483
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,400
with what's going on right in front of us.

484
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,039
Speaker 4: Right, the ballgames.

485
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 3: Are candy crush, right, those type of things. Working, boy,

486
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,679
in America, we love to work, don't we. We brag

487
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,239
about working eighteen hours a day.

488
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: We were in class last week and.

489
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 3: One of the one of my classmates, lives in I

490
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,840
think it's the Dominican Republic, and she was blown away.

491
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 4: You know, she came here.

492
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:28,519
Speaker 3: For a while to visit. She's like, you all live

493
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:32,239
to work. She's like, you guys brag about working twelve, fourteen,

494
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,119
sixteen hours a day. She's like, we all live in

495
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:40,599
a house together, our family. She said, we worked to live.

496
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,199
We worked just enough to pay the bills, and every

497
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,320
dinner's a feast and family time were not inundated by

498
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our cell phones.

499
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 4: It's just a whole different.

500
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:53,559
Speaker 3: Perspective, and we brag about it.

501
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 4: How you doing I'm doing good?

502
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: I pulled an eighteen hour yesterday trying to close the deal.

503
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:04,239
We brag about it. Are we that worried about chasing

504
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:09,079
the almighty dollar? Is that the legacy we're going to leave?

505
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:13,119
Speaker 4: George? He was rich. You see the kind of car

506
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,960
he drove. Who cares? Get you from point A at

507
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,239
point B? Who cares? If it does your job? You

508
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:31,679
can haul my chicken feed? Who cares? So you know,

509
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,800
if you look at the broader.

510
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:39,119
Speaker 3: Pattern of open air testing, if operation Sea Spray had

511
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:44,719
been a one time anomaly, it would still be disturbing, right,

512
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:49,679
we should still demand accountability. But the deeper story was

513
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,039
that San Francisco was one of many, many, many, many experiments.

514
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:59,039
And as more records began to surface in the nineteen seventies,

515
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,159
you know, whether it be the Church Committee and investigative

516
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:08,639
reporting when it still was around, it became clear that

517
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,280
Sea Spray was one piece of a much larger testing

518
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,559
program that was carried out over years across multiple cities,

519
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:23,000
transportation systems, populated regions. And again, what had been presented

520
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,000
as an isolated Cold War experiment. Again, it turned out

521
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,079
to be part of a coordinated effort to study, again,

522
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:34,599
this is what they say, biological and chemical agents, how

523
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,119
it might spread amongst civilians in a.

524
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: Real world environment.

525
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 3: And yeah, some of it came out during hearings in

526
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,400
the Senate in the seventies. But again they're only going

527
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:54,079
to disclose what they want to disclose. They only disclosed ten,

528
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,079
maybe twenty percent of the truth, just enough to say, yeah,

529
00:37:57,079 --> 00:38:00,719
we told you so. But they don't outlie the deep truth.

530
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,039
Speaker 4: Right.

531
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: Testimony and release documents described hundreds I say again hundreds

532
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,920
of field trials conducted by military units tied to now

533
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:17,760
Fort Dietrich and related programs. These trials used simulant materials, again,

534
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,760
substances at the time believed to be harmless, at least

535
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,280
that's what they tell us to observe how particles move

536
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:27,719
through the air. And again we told you how they

537
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:34,639
did it through water, through subways and city landscapes, and

538
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,440
what they did in New York City in the subway system,

539
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:42,639
dropping light bulbs filled with bacteria onto subway tracks to

540
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,159
measure how quickly an aerosol cloud would spread through the

541
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:53,840
underground network. So these trains moving through tunnels, they were

542
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,320
acting like pistons, pushing air through stations and carrying particles

543
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,440
over long distances. And that experiment demonstrated that a biological

544
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:07,320
agent released at one point could disperse throughout the entire system.

545
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:12,199
So passengers riding those Traine trains, pardon me, they had

546
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,480
no idea they were participating in this test. And then,

547
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:18,960
of course there's the one that doesn't get talked about enough,

548
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:25,800
and DC the release of zinc cadmium sulfide, which is

549
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:33,880
a fluorescent tracer used to study dispersion over populated neighborhoods.

550
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,679
They used them in airports, bus terminals, more coastal environments.

551
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:45,480
Some released bacteria from rooftops, some from vehicles. Some of

552
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,519
the tests studied how atmospheric conditions affected drifts across city

553
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:55,599
blocks into residential areas. But the fact that they were

554
00:39:55,679 --> 00:40:01,760
releasing these agents in a real civil million setting with

555
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:10,320
zero consent, right, that's what makes it significant. Because the

556
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:17,840
consistent absence of informed consent in test after test, populations

557
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:24,440
across this country were never notified in advance, and of

558
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:28,960
course the justification was the same every time the materials

559
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:34,480
were believed to be harmless, and secrecy was necessary to

560
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:38,360
preserve the realism of the experiment. Right, it's always for

561
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:45,000
the country, it's always for our protection. No way, shape

562
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:47,920
or form, should we be forced to be a guinea

563
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:54,199
pig without consent, period? Right From their perspective, well, if

564
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,440
we warned the public, it.

565
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:01,519
Speaker 4: Would distort the results. Yeah, okay, whatever makes you.

566
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 3: Sleep at night, pal, Right, that's what I say. So again,

567
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,800
this wasn't about just San Francisco. It was a developing

568
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:17,480
mindset that have viewed American cities and Americans period as

569
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,599
testing grounds for defensive planning, all under the guise of

570
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,960
the Cold War, Right, the war that nobody ever died,

571
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:35,599
and that created an environment where worst case scenarios dominated

572
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:36,599
strategic thinking.

573
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,519
Speaker 4: Right, the Bay of Pigs.

574
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:44,199
Speaker 3: And oh we almost had a nuclear catastrophe and everything else.

575
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:44,559
Speaker 4: Right.

576
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 3: There's the argument that, well, this program was compartmentalized, Different

577
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,880
agencies and units conducted tests under different names. There was

578
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,559
no public oversight. They claim that even local officials like

579
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:07,480
mayors of these cities were not even informed, which I believe. Right,

580
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,880
the federal government is not going to inform unless said

581
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,679
mayor is part of the club right, like a New

582
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,440
York City mayor.

583
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,639
Speaker 4: I'm sure he knows. Right, they're all part of that club.

584
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: So you should understand the shift by now, right, sea

585
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,000
spray operations, sea spray.

586
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:34,039
Speaker 4: It's not just about one city in nineteen fifty.

587
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: It is really part of a broader question.

588
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 4: How often.

589
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: Are I don't want to say we're because, but we're

590
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,760
and currently are civilians exposed in the name of research?

591
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,039
Certainly twenty twenty one hundred percent. They're spraying us every day.

592
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:57,000
They're they're not hiding it anymore. Yeah, we're spraying you. Sorry,

593
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:08,199
It is what it is. So a little bit about

594
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:14,760
Fort Dietrich and how things ran a quick overview. It

595
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,000
was the field application that was built up during World

596
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:22,599
War II and then expanded into the fifties. Right, That

597
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,519
was the system of Fort Dietrich, you all know, the

598
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:31,920
hub of the biological warfare program. It was established again

599
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,599
during World War Two. It was known as the nation's

600
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,559
primary research center for biological defense and offense.

601
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,599
Speaker 4: You've got to have a.

602
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:50,280
Speaker 3: High degree of security clearance to get in there. Scientists,

603
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,440
military planners, intelligence officials.

604
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,599
Speaker 4: They all were together under the secrecy.

605
00:43:55,679 --> 00:44:01,039
Speaker 3: Right, So by the late forties they started taking their

606
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:06,000
research outside of the laboratories. The question you have to

607
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:10,519
ask is who was the individual who signed off on that?

608
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:16,599
Was it the president? So are you telling me that

609
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:24,000
they sprayed a city without the president's consent? So remember

610
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:28,599
Truman was the president at the time this happened.

611
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 4: Se Spray.

612
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:34,679
Speaker 3: Now they claim there is no public record showing that

613
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:40,840
Truman personally signed off on Operation se Spray itself.

614
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 4: They claim.

615
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 3: That most Cold War testing programs were authorized at the

616
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:55,360
program level, then executed by the military or defense agencies

617
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:01,000
without each individual test getting back to the president. I

618
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:06,480
personally have a hard time believing that. Right now, I

619
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:10,480
get it, the president authorized the research, the DoD sets

620
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:15,239
the framework, military carries out specific tests. But you can't

621
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,679
tell me that even if he didn't sign off on

622
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,360
it initially, that he didn't get the paperwork back saying this.

623
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,199
Speaker 4: Is what we did.

624
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, you would have to say that he approved

625
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,199
the program overall. Did he personally sign off on knowing

626
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:34,480
that it was sprayed? I believe so you would have to. Right,

627
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,159
There's no way a general, even a four star general,

628
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:42,000
is going to spray a pathogen on aus civilian without

629
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,039
the authorization of the United States President. Now again, the

630
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:49,119
official narrative is that he signed off on the program,

631
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,880
but he didn't necessarily say, you know, sign off on

632
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:54,920
that particular operation.

633
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:56,519
Speaker 4: Of course, I'm not going to say he did.

634
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 5: Right.

635
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,639
Speaker 3: President's not going to risk his legacy over something like that.

636
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:07,199
But it always goes back to plausible deniability. Right, the

637
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,760
ships are offshore, the vehicles and cities released time with

638
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,800
wettern patterns, weather patterns.

639
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,519
Speaker 4: Pardon me, right.

640
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 3: They just wanted answers that only real world testing could provide,

641
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,079
and from the planner's perspective, this was defensive. They argued

642
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:30,400
that understanding vulnerability would allow the country to protect itself

643
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,159
that would affect the numbers. So they were blurring the

644
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:38,519
line between defense and experimentation. Right, That's what it's always about.

645
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:42,199
They always have an answer, right, and if you question it,

646
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,039
you hate your country. That's what they make it sound like. Right,

647
00:46:45,079 --> 00:46:45,760
how dare you?

648
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 4: Right?

649
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,199
Speaker 3: So, once the government builds a structure that's capable of

650
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:58,199
experimenting on its own population, the barrier of true freedom

651
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,000
is gone.

652
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,519
Speaker 4: We are not sovereign citizens. See you next week.

653
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: Right, again, the Cold War provided the justification communism. We

654
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:17,800
better send our boys to Vietnam to save the world. Okay,

655
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,239
we had to do it for national survivor survival, right,

656
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,559
But that's all about the Hegelian dialect. Those arguments, if

657
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,639
you allow them, if you seek them as permissive, they

658
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:37,880
will create a dangerous precedent because if secrecy can excuse

659
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,400
exposing one city, well then they're going to do it

660
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:47,159
too many. Right, you guys know, the machinery doesn't stop itself.

661
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:54,199
It will continue until something or someone forces transparency. And

662
00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:01,360
Fort Dietrich represents that machinery, right. That is science fused.

663
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: With military.

664
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: And in this case, ethics are subordinated to strategy. Ethics

665
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,239
don't come first, is what I'm saying. And when decisions

666
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,679
are made behind closed doors that affect you and I

667
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,599
will they tell you, well, you voted for it. Nobody

668
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,840
voted for this. That's why I keep telling people if

669
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,880
you think voting is going to make a difference for

670
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,159
anything at the federal level, I've got a bridge to

671
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:35,159
sell you. And as a matter of fact, buy one,

672
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:40,920
get one free this week. I trust our government like

673
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,360
a submarine with a screen door.

674
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:43,079
Speaker 4: No thank you.

675
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: So, just this broad history of all these government programs

676
00:48:53,840 --> 00:49:00,000
that have exposed civilians, patients, service members, which we mentioned

677
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:04,679
week or two ago, right, all the conscientious objectors, which,

678
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,360
by the way, they're reports of.

679
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:08,159
Speaker 4: They are seeing.

680
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: A level of conscientious objectors within the military right now

681
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:17,159
with the Iran thing going on, it's interesting. But what

682
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:20,159
about the Tuskegee syphilis study.

683
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 4: Right?

684
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: For decades hundreds of men were observed with the progression

685
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:31,559
of untreated syphilis, even after effective treatment became available.

686
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:32,599
Speaker 4: Right.

687
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: But it was justified as a scientific observation.

688
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:39,599
Speaker 4: But as always with.

689
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 3: Our government, it relies on deception and the withholding of care.

690
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:48,840
The ethical violation wasn't just the disease. It was the

691
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:53,639
decision to treat people as data points rather than individuals

692
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:58,800
with rights. Then look at our intelligence world, the cias

693
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:07,119
ultra right secret testing of drugs, psychological techniques, many cases

694
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:12,239
unwitting participants being drugged, dosing, or being dosed i should

695
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,079
say without their knowledge. But it was all because of

696
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:23,800
national security. We need to understand mind control, right, interrogation, resistance,

697
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:29,960
how to influence behaviors. Right, but it's always under the

698
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,400
guise of national security. By the way, there was also

699
00:50:33,519 --> 00:50:39,599
radiation experiments in the fifties patients and hospitals were exposed

700
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,159
to radioactive substances to measure biological effects.

701
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:44,519
Speaker 4: Oh.

702
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:49,039
Speaker 3: By the way, service members were placed near nuclear sites

703
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:53,519
to observe true readiness. Again, it's all about preparedness, right.

704
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,360
So what ties these cases together with Operation Sea Spray.

705
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,400
It's not that so much they were identical. They were

706
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,360
all carried out by different agencies with different goals, and

707
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,960
of course they were using different methods. The common thread

708
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,920
was the philosophy behind them. The decision makers believed that

709
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:22,199
the stakes, whether it was war security, scientific advancement, it

710
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:28,039
was justifying their actions, so they would bypass informed consent,

711
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,159
and in each case that population affected was not fully

712
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:37,920
aware of the risks. In each case, secrecy delayed accountability,

713
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:44,000
and Sea Spray fits that direct lineage. The bacteria released

714
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over San Francisco, Well, they're harmlessed right, framed as defensive.

715
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But you can't, in any way, shape or form, assume

716
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that the right to make the decision for others is yours.

717
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 4: It's not. It is not.

718
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Speaker 3: Sea Spray is one of the clearest examples of a

719
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biological test conducted over a civilian population without consent. I

720
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,280
should say the public right, because I don't think we

721
00:52:22,599 --> 00:52:26,039
truly know what's going on now. Of course burium aluminum.

722
00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:30,159
There's lots of YouTube videos. Even with a recent snowstorm

723
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:34,480
that destroy our property, it's not the same. They are

724
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:45,760
altering out the weather. But accountability always happens well after

725
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,519
the fact that people have been And when I say accountability,

726
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,519
that's the wrong word to use. Disclosure there's no accountability.

727
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,559
But disclosure ever happens until people.

728
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,679
Speaker 4: Are sick and there's nothing they can do about her. Right.

729
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:13,039
Speaker 3: So when we question official narratives here in the truth community,

730
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,840
we get portrayed as irrational, Right, you're blowing things out

731
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:25,039
of proportion, or even the real people who have their

732
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:29,280
blinders on, they just say, we're nuts.

733
00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:30,159
Speaker 4: Right, what are you talking about?

734
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: Camtrails? And this is why I like to show sea spray,

735
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,800
because you.

736
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Speaker 4: Know, tell that this is something. You know.

737
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:44,079
Speaker 3: We make trifles and we pass them out. We had

738
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:49,159
a listener last month, I think she was from Montana.

739
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,760
She passes out trifles about vaccine. She puts them in

740
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,000
diaper boxes in the store. So when mom gets home

741
00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:00,519
opens the box or the bag of diapers, there's a

742
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:04,280
track in there talking about vaccines. There really needs to

743
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,519
be one on chemtrails, but particularly there should I'm going

744
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:09,840
to make one about Sea Spray.

745
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:13,079
Speaker 4: I guarantee you you.

746
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 3: Know we talk about If you ask one hundred people

747
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,239
at Walmart, did they know about Building seven?

748
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 4: Maybe five?

749
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:20,159
Speaker 5: Do?

750
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: I think it's come out a little more in recent years.

751
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,079
I do think since COVID there have been more people

752
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:27,719
waking up.

753
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 4: But I bet you you're lucky if.

754
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: You find one person in a hundred if you stood

755
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,480
in front of Walmart, you ever heard of Operation Sea Spray?

756
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of Operation Seespray? Ninety nine? People

757
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:40,199
probably don't.

758
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:42,639
Speaker 3: There might be that one guy listening to the fact

759
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,119
hunter shout out that has heard of it. But we

760
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:51,599
need to make a tract. Yeah, like a trifle, I

761
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:55,119
should say, pardon me a trifle with this information on it,

762
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,039
because this is actually one of the one you can

763
00:54:58,079 --> 00:55:00,679
google and the Wikipedia will come right up, and it's

764
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,079
very open about it. It's not like many other conspiracies

765
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:06,480
that you put in and it hides it.

766
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 4: Right.

767
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 3: It's powerful, and this might this one little thing from

768
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,559
seventy six years ago maybe enough to open some people's

769
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,880
eyes to bigger things. Right, we all have our journey.

770
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,480
Some people woke up to the big conspiracies right away.

771
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:24,559
And I don't know how y'all do it. I had

772
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,119
to start with the little ones, so I was willing

773
00:55:27,159 --> 00:55:28,039
to look at the next one.

774
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:29,599
Speaker 4: So I was willing to look at the next one.

775
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:32,599
Speaker 3: Then wow, Waco, really, Oklahoma City, you're kidding me?

776
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:33,199
Speaker 4: Nine to eleven.

777
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,119
Speaker 3: And then after that it's like, well, of course it

778
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:38,880
became obvious that everything was a lie. But this is

779
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,079
a big one because it's documented, because it's out there,

780
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,440
and they won't try to hide the truth. So create

781
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,000
a trifle. I'll work on that today tomorrow, in the

782
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,519
next forty eight hours. And if what is this, it's

783
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:55,079
lunchtime on Tuesday, March thirty. First, if you hit me

784
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:58,119
up by Thursday, I'll have it done, you know, hit

785
00:55:58,159 --> 00:55:59,840
me up in an email. I'll email it back to

786
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:01,400
you if you want to print them out.

787
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:04,599
Speaker 4: I think it's important to.

788
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 3: Get this out to the general public, right and again,

789
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,760
we're not about to again. I don't want people to

790
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:20,480
be freaking out and worry and lose sleep at night, right,

791
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:26,639
but it's important. It is so important that people understand

792
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:34,280
that these powerful institutions can, without our consent, make decisions

793
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:39,679
that affect our everyday lives, that can affect our health.

794
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:42,119
Speaker 4: It is a big deal.

795
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 3: This connects a broader moral reflection. These hidden actions that

796
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,480
not just our government, but people associated with it, you

797
00:56:54,519 --> 00:56:57,400
know what I'm talking about, right, Whether carried out by

798
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:03,199
individuals or these particular institutions, they don't remain hidden forever.

799
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 4: Eventually we at least get a glimpse of the truth.

800
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 3: This was one of them. It reminds us that secrecy

801
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,000
may postpone accountability, but it doesn't always eliminate it. And

802
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:22,719
again I use that term accountability. I'd rather use disclosure

803
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,559
because nobody was ever held accountable and the one gentleman

804
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:27,840
who we know died from it, his family didn't get

805
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,440
accountability outside of them admitting it.

806
00:57:30,519 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 4: Right.

807
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 3: But again, I don't want people to stay up all

808
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:39,360
night worrying if they're getting sprayed. Look at scripture, Look

809
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,559
at Luke twelve two and three. Jesus says nothing concealed

810
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:47,800
will remain hidden, and nothing secret will not be known

811
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:52,199
or brought into the open, right, And that's really the context.

812
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:52,559
Speaker 4: Of this episode.

813
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,159
Speaker 3: That's the passage that resonates strongly here. Sea Spray was

814
00:57:57,239 --> 00:58:01,119
conceived in secrecy. It was execute it in secrecy, and yeah,

815
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:05,079
it was kept hidden for a couple decades, but eventually

816
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:10,000
the detail surfaced, the experiment entered public record, and it's

817
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:10,800
part of history.

818
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,719
Speaker 4: Again. That's why we need to.

819
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 3: Get it out, because it is documented, and even though

820
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:18,679
yet I'm sure it's only the partial truth, it's enough

821
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:23,599
to slap people in the face. So it's more about condemnation,

822
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:30,000
it's about awareness. When people understand events like Operation Sea Spray,

823
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,920
they are better equipped to way claims they are. They'll

824
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,920
become more discerning, right, they will examine authority. Hopefully the

825
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,000
next time they will ask more questions when they're in

826
00:58:43,039 --> 00:58:45,280
their doctor's office and he pulls out of a needle, what's

827
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:45,880
in that doc?

828
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: Right?

829
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,519
Speaker 4: Maybe? Just maybe?

830
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 3: So you know, Sea Spray began with a cloud drifting

831
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,719
over San Francisco, but it ends today with a reminder

832
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:03,920
that decisions made in secrecy carry consequences long after the

833
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:08,800
fog clears, and as scripture suggests, what is hidden does

834
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:15,199
not remain hidden forever. So if you want a copy

835
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,480
of I'm going to make a trifold. I'll work on

836
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:20,800
that probably tomorrow. I'll have it done by Thursday. If

837
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,719
you like one where you can just open up PDF

838
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,400
or whatever. I'll make it so I can just email it.

839
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,320
You can print it off.

840
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:31,599
Speaker 4: Hit me up on email.

841
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:35,119
Speaker 3: It is the fact Hunter at mail dot com. Again,

842
00:59:35,159 --> 00:59:38,480
it's the fact Hunter at mail, not gmail dot com.

843
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,679
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844
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845
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849
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Speaker 4: That's what a lot of this is.

854
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Speaker 3: Where this is a very easy to read book for

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still growing often doing great things, trying to make a

858
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difference in this world. And it's all glory to God.

859
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And thanks to you the listener for supporting us over

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all of these days, weeks, months, and years. I think

861
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that's it for today, really, looking forward to next week's conversation.

862
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I'm your host is always George Hobbes. It was a

863
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,159
pleasure to chat with you on this beautiful Tuesday. I

864
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:47,519
hope you have a great, great Holy week. Remember the

865
01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:50,159
reason for the season. As they say, our Lord and Savior,

866
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,119
Jesus Christ died for our sins, and he rose from

867
01:00:55,159 --> 01:00:59,039
the dead and conquered sin. So God bless each and

868
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,840
every one of you. Thank you for your continued support.

869
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,880
Keep your head on a swivel and Christ in your heart.

870
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And until we meet again, my friends, we will see it.

871
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Speaker 6: I know it's been a struggle. I know you've hads pain.

872
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:26,719
I know you feel tied, hell down all the way.

873
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:34,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you feel you smile, ain't the same

874
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:41,360
I saw when God found you. Feel like you've.

875
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 2: Lost your way.

876
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 5: Don't give up. No, don't give it. Never is home.

877
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:56,119
Don't let all the primise. It ain't done yet. He's gone.

878
01:01:56,199 --> 01:01:58,760
I'll plan why it's away.

879
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:01,599
Speaker 7: Time God, let me come.

880
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 5: Why right, come up? He recor.

881
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Speaker 6: I can see the straight beside you. Childs are putting

882
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:28,239
up the five. Oh, you're stronger than anything. You Yeah,

883
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:36,880
you're gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead valued beautiful.

884
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Speaker 5: You're shoving ride.

885
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're live and breathing. Move you can hold your

886
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head a pie.

887
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Speaker 8: Don't give up, No, don't give in, nevertheless hold, don't

888
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,519
let gone on the primise, it.

889
01:02:58,239 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 5: Ain't done yet. This guy out the.

890
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 7: Clay, wat's some raintail the God of meby come, don't

891
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,760
give up, No, don't give in.

892
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 8: You never lose home. Don't let call on the privice.

893
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,000
It ain't con of life. It's worth living. WA's a

894
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:21,480
plain tail. The God of baby Colt.

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Speaker 5: Why sur pray down, the God of the baby Colt, Oh, yes,

896
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:34,920
what sur pray now?

897
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:54,519
Speaker 7: The God of baby come? Oh yeah, God TV cold, Oh, don't.

898
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: Give up, No, don't give in. Never's home?

899
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Speaker 5: Do they go?

900
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 2: Love the primise?

901
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 5: Many don ys got.

902
01:04:04,199 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 2: A playing whites, God of if it calls and don't

903
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,800
give it no dog giving never hold, don't let go

904
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of the primes getting done.

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Speaker 6: Lover is wor living Watson and the God of any.

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Speaker 5: Comes all, the God of needs waits done, the God

907
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of any case.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network.

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Speaker 5: Just the facts, ma'am.