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Speaker 1: What is up Fellasi Goo's I'm Dapa Valley coming at

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you with another twenty twenty five twenty twenty six NBA

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season look ahead. We are on to the Detroit Pistons,

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which means it's time to talk to Laz Jackson. He

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is an editor for Detroit Bad Boys. Follow him on

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the social Machines at Las Chance. That's at laz Cha

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n ce Las. How the heck are you doing? This

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is gonna be a different conversation than we've had over

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the past five, six, seven years about the Pistons. I

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think I.

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Speaker 2: Think so too, Dan. I'm doing well. I'm happy to

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be here, I'm excited to be here. I was telling

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you in the pre show how I re upped on

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my season tickets and if you had asked me, would

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I do that, like three years ago, the answer had

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been like no, Like never. It was like, this is

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We're finally in a space I feel comfortable shoveling thousands

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of dollars to this team.

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Speaker 1: That's big new. Honest. I think we could end the

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episode right there, and that's just encapsulate it's where Yeah,

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so man, last season, just if you go back and

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listen to our off season discussion doesn't really turn anything

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out like we were expecting, per se. What's like your

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I hate to boil on town to this, what's like

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the single biggest revelation or takeaway you had from how

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last year just sort of unfolded.

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Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing you have to take away

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from last year was the on court and off court

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leadership role Cad Cunningham took and the elevation of his

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game to an all NBA level talent, and how that

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accelerated what the Pistons were looking to do right. There

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was so many moments last year where Cad came out

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and settled these guys in, made the correct play, made

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the right decisions, got them in a space where winning

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felt like something that was supposed to happen as opposed

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to something that like occasionally occurred right to me, like

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that that was his, like little that was his like

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so lowercase s star season. Like we will get into

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kid later, I'm sure, but if you ask me, like

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what my main takeaway was is like, Okay, we finally

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got like a guy we can build everything around in

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Kate and we know that for sure when you when

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you hear the trade in Langdon's like postseason press availability,

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like he kind of says the same thing, right, We like, Okay,

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we finally got this team in a space where we

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like everything. We've built in the shooting You and me, Dan,

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we've talked about shooting around kid for literally his entire career.

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They finally put that in place, and like you see

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the results, and so now now it becomes a matter of, Okay,

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what are the ancillary secondary pieces that we need to

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put around this guy. Answering some of those questions is

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the important thing for the short and long term. But

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for now, they have a capitol g guy, which is

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what you need in the NBA to succeed, especially what

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you need in the Eastern Conference, which is really weak

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right now, to succeed, and they can build on that.

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That's that's my big takeaway.

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Speaker 1: I think that has to be the biggest takeaway because

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it's like he's the most important player in the building

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even before last season, and now it's there was questions.

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You and I didn't really fall on this end of

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the spectrum, but there are just questions is he that guy?

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And to know he's that guy is huge. I think

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what also kind of struck me last year was and

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I think this this has to do with JB. Bickerstaff,

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And I'm curious your thoughts on what were like the

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biggest stylistical or philosophical differences you noticed from the Monty

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Williams era that lasted. Was that a decade? I don't

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know how long that Monty Williams are.

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Speaker 2: It felt like a decade, Dan, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 1: But I think what also struck me is just so

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you made some changes, but like the defense gets a

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lot better without focusing on adding a bunch of like

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defense of I know you have a sar Thompson and

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you drafted Ron Hall in the second. That struck me

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the ability to like they still were able to get

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like Ron Hall in the second played in a lot

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of games even though the Pistons were winning, and then

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you just get to the playoffs and like it wasn't

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just a happy to be here situation, and I get

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you know, that's the most recent thing we've seen from

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the Pistons, like, notwithstanding Summer League. So it just struck

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me to where it was, oh, like, are they just

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on the precipice of something even better than we thought?

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This regular Like that entire Knick series was like a

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few calls just from going the Pistons's way probably, And

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that's kind of insane to think about when you go

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back and reflect upon where this team was this time

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the the thing that JB really instilled

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in this team was a sense of identity, which is

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like kind of nebulous, right, And it's also it's funny

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because like it's a little played up. It's like, oh,

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their defense, their identity is like defense and getting on

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train position and making shots, and like, oh, a Detroit's

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team's identity is defense, Like how shocking, Like how new,

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how novel? But it really you could tell that they

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were just much more certain of what everyone on the

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court was supposed to be doing on both ends of

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the floor. Was it always like the most inventive basketball

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genius stuff I had ever seen in my life? No,

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there were large stretches in which the entire plan for

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like offensive bench units was like, hey, maleik, can you

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make four threes in six minutes and just like keep

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things going? And he did it sometimes and that was great,

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but the team like knew but like the team knew

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that was the plan, right if nothing else, Like at

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least all five guys are following the same plan. When

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you when you looked at Monty Williams, there was just

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no no sense of cohesion, no sense of idea identity,

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no sense of like what everybody was supposed to be doing,

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and not even like in a oh these guys are

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competing way in a like like like did I mess up?

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was there something like two rotations ago that got messed up?

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And like that's where everything went and there was all

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just so much less of that this year, and that

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was so valuable. It was kind of kind of budenholz

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care of all of like the little things like that

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compounds enough to where you get to a space where

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like again, like winning is something that's supposed to happen,

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as opposed to something like occasionally happens.

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Speaker 1: Looking at the actual off season, they got thrown a

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curveball with the Malik Beasley stuff. Yeah he could still

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tell and we come back. They have the non bird rights.

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Whatever ends up happening the gambling probe, he might be

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in the clear, he might not. He's gonna face discipline reaction.

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How do you think they did in terms of pivoting though,

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because it looks like there was a deal that was

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going to be on the table three years and forty

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two million. Instead you wind up getting Duncan Robinson for

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Simony font Techio and you were able to get Carus

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l Vert. Just how do you think they did in

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terms of like the pivot for what it doesn't seem

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maybe it didn't catch them off guard, but this was

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definitely something that did impact how they went about the

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off season for sure.

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Speaker 2: No, no, absolutely, And for the record, there was a

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report in the Detroit News a couple of days ago.

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I think that he like he paid back the rent

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that he owed at his apartment building in Detroit, and

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I think has moved back in for whatever that's worth.

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Speaker 1: So did he pay his barber though?

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying is the barber in the dentist,

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right is the.

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Speaker 1: Barber and the dentist, Which is just like I didn't

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for the barber. I understand NBA players travel in different

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circles than me. I didn't know that you could put

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like barber expenses on Layoway basically. Okay, it's just not

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even if you're even having a traveling barber. That's not

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something I knew. It was a a thing is.

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Speaker 2: Less lay away. It's like I got you, man, I

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got you, Man, I got you. And then you look

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up and three months and it's like, what what was

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going on? But as for the pivot, at first, I

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was disappointed because I thought that in basically like functionally

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replacing Shrewder and Beasley with LeVert and Duncan, I didn't

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think they improved, and I thought that they needed to

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improve to not get kind of stuck where they were

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last year. Then you look at how everything went for

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everyone's off season after the dust settles.

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Speaker 1: And craziest off season of all time right last just why?

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Speaker 2: But I don't feel like anyone above them in the

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standings last season did like anything amazing either to like

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get ahead right And you look at teams that were

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ahead of them, like Boston Indiania whore or Boston and

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Indiana who are taking gap years functionally, and it's like, Okay,

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there's there's room for improved in advancement standing wise, without

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the team like getting way way better. I was particularly

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disappointed in the acquisition of Lavert. I was a really

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big Nikill Alexander Walker guy. I realized, like the cap

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machinations that they would have needed to make a sign

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and trade happen like probably prove pretty difficult. But they

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were like reportedly in on him up until the final buzzer,

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and so I was basic I was disappointed they didn't

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get Nikhil Alexander Walker more than I was like happy

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that they did get somebody who can play that role

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in Karris Lavert and Duncan Robinson was like, it's very interesting. Uh,

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that was very interesting signing from a couple of perspectives. Yes,

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Duncan Robinson replaces the like shooting gravity of Malik Beasley.

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kind of not a different way. There's a lot of

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Bam Duncan chemistry that I am not sure that if

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Dunk Duncan's coming off the bench, I'm not sure Isaiah

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bam adebio And so you wonder if like people are

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just keying in on Duncan, like what does that actually

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but just like as a dude who can shoot, like yes, perfect.

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were of the belief that Malie Beasley is in fact

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coming back to this team, and so like it. I

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think the Pistons did good in the acquisition department. The

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one thing I'll say, like Tobias Harris is like way

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way way down the list, but there The thing I

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was also pretty concerned about was like a long term

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plan at the fore position behind Tobias who was a

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kind of expiring contract this season, and they still kind

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of don't have that guy. I like Bobbie Clintman. I

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taller than I expected. I don't think he's the long

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term solution at the four, and so that that's still

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kind of the one hole in the roster that I'd

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like to see filled. But I'll give Trains to the

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benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I ended up liking and I'd probably like their

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off season a lot better if they bring from a

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basketball perspective, Beasley back, because Robinson, to your point, the

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chemistry and band with stuff like you're not even gonna

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have that with like Pete Duran, I don't think at

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this point either. So I think he's also really best

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served if there is like another shooter on the court,

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so they might be able to fact that Tobias Harris

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is there, maybe you can get to some lineups where

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you have Beasley and Robinson on the court at the

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same time. Since Robinson's played up, I think that he's

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become like underrated though in just terms of his gravity

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and like being able to shake loose and get inside

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the arc over the past two years. So I thought

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they'd remounted nicely there. And I'm actually more of an

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avert guy now following his Cleveland time, not so much

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in Atlanta. I just don't think that if you were

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gonna move on from Dennis Shreuter and you don't want

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to saddle Jade and Ivy maybe with too much, or

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if you're looking for at least just like we're trying

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to develop, but we're also trying to win. I think

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Karas Verda is going to be better on ball than

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question obviously, so I thought they really I was surprised.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's it wasn't very flashy, right, they

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didn't make their Desmond Baine trade, and I think that

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was what it's reasonable. I think that reasonable expectation is like, hey,

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like you could you could make your version of the

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Desmond Bain trade this off season, and they didn't do that,

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and so it's I think it is underplayed like what

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they did. But but like you mentioned, like Kerselvert's really

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good on and off the ball. Uh enables them to

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get to lineups where Jade and Ivy, who I was

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very curious to see, like if he could handle that

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level of primary duty as a creator is like maybe

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he doesn't have to all the time, Like take some

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of that responsibility off of this plate. That's good, maybe

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make some more effective player. And so there is like

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is Kerselvert better than Dennis Schroeder. It's like probably about

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the same. But they like, but you needed to replace

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Dennis Shruder because without him you were stuck playing like

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Marcus Sasser Extendon minutes who like I like Marcus Cesser,

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but like I don't think he's an actual I think

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it's a point guard, point cutter. I don't think it's

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a primary. And so it's like you but so you

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needed that role and is a good backup plan for Hey,

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maybe Jade and Ivy isn't ready all every night to

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take on this level of responsibility.

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Speaker 1: The other thing about their all season I think kind

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of bleeds into this season is you mentioned they didn't

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make their Desmond Bayin move. I don't know if now,

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like even let's say an opportunity that was out there

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would have made sense. And like Bain in Theoria, I

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guess is a player that could have made sense for them,

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especially if Beasley wasn't going to be there. Yeah, now

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just didn't feel like the time because you have to

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make you would have to render these verdicts on you

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either then need certain of these young guys to be

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really good, like make a leap next season, or you

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need to render a verdict of well, what are they

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worth to us if we're shipping them out, like how

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much or they value? And I'm also kind of one too,

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so like I respect them, not I would say reading

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too much into last season or overreact it. But overreacting

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to it. But then I also wonder, and I'm always

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fascinated by this, is like, how much more difficult does

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it get stomaching or prioritizing player development now that there

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are actual expectations here to where's they're going to be.

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Let's just as an example, you know, a temptation to

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be like, well, like Jay n Ivey's minutes might not

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be there as much alongside k because karras Slioburg is

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playing better right now, is the better fit. And it's

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just I find that push and pull fascinating and I

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thought they did a good job of balancing it all

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last year. And it helps that like so many of

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your quote unquote prospects or developing guys were also your

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most some of your most important players. But now we're

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not coming into this season like, oh, like, well the

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Piston sniff thirty wins. It's like, no, like the Pistons

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are a playoff team right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's like JB did a really good

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job with that balancing act over the course of last season.

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I think in the playoffs we started to see him

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skew a little bit more towards the veteran side of things.

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It's a lot of Dennis Schroeder in the playoff holland

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a lot of Dinnis Schroder, not enough Ron Howard.

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Speaker 1: But by the way, I think keros averts a lot

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better than Dennis Shuter. I've never that one year in OKC,

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I was like all the however many years he was

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there was I was aboard the Shrewder train. But I'm

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I've probably been too high on Karraslvert at points too.

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But the stuff he showed, like off the ball, even

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defensively in Cleveland, I don't even think it's maybe as

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like a guy I was gonna put raw room pressure

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on and like get downhill that way. Yeah, Dennis Shuoter,

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but I think that's a pretty big upgrade actually going

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from Schroder to LeVert. For what it's worth, worth anything.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it, I'll take it. But yeah, I think

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that there is. I think because there was so much

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success in the regular season last year, the expectation is

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from the front office on down is to build on

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that success, and so you can start to get to

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a position where you can start telling guys like, hey,

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like we are trying to win. If you are not

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helping us try to win, like you need to get

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with the program and have that be and like have

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like not the goal not be like we don't want

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to pay you, or like you need your shots so

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you can get the contract, the goal being like we

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need to win. It's like if you win, like you

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will probably get paid, which is what which is what

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leads us into the extension talks for Jade and Ivy

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and Jalen durn.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's start with Jade and Ivy. But before we

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get to extension, how much or do you buy into

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what you saw from him last season before the leg injury?

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And it almost feels like a two layer question because it's, okay,

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he shot a trillion percent on spot up three's forty

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five point two whatever, it was great, but like what

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is he like in the context of like, well, when

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Kay Cunningham is on the bench, like how do you

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trust him? It feels like you have to trust him

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like in two separate roles for to be considered a

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long term piece and just for my ten thousand foot view,

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it's like, feels like he can play the one like

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really well or we can at least have hope that

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the kJ n Ivy partnership is going to be fine,

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if not great, But like, what is he independent of that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I don't think this is going to sound

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like a cop out. We didn't get enough information about

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James shocking last year. Well, so the timing of his

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injury was atrocious because if you look at the Pistons

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season last year, they were a below five hundred to

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slightly below five hundred team until like Asar Thompson got

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back and then like a week later Jade and Navy

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got hurt and then they were like a good team.

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So to me, Asar Thompson is like the secret sauce

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that makes this Pistons team work. And we never really

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got to see how Jade, Nivy and Sar Thompson like

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balance each other out on the floor. But in what

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we did get to see from j Nivy, I thought

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he did a really effective job playing off of Kate Cunningham.

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Shooting a billion percent on spot up three's like helped

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in that regard a ton. I thought he did a

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better job of getting other guys involved. There was some

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there was like some nice chemistry with Durren. There was

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some Hey, like this Milik Beasley guy seems pretty good, Like,

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maybe I can just get him the ball and like

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not have to worry about as much things happening. But

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the thing I've been harping on for years was still there.

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The defense was still kind of not in the place

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where you'd like it to be. If he's the guy,

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if he's the second guy in the back court. Right again,

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like Kate Cunningham is the star or Kay Cunningham is

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the sun, everything's evolved or revolves around him. Kate Cunningham

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is a like actually like kind of slightly above average defender,

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but you don't want to ask him to do that

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much on defense. But having a guy in Jade and

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Ivy next to him who you don't trust on defense

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puts more pressure on him to be more of a

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two way player. And if you could get another guy

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in that spot who would take some of that burden

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off Ukate, I think you'd see better results. And so

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it's tricky. I think Jayden is a really good player.

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We are starting to after four years, we are not

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We're getting into like, he is a good player, does

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he help you win territory? Which is where like cam

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Thomas found himself unsuccessfully, which is where like like Jalen

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Green is the center of a durant deal, but nobody

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thinks like Jalen Green is a winning player, right, right,

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And so it's like where on that sliding scale does

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Jade and Ivy fit and does he fit better if

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he makes a lower amount on his extension? Right. I've

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heard that the extension talks have not gone as well

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as either party would have liked. I've heard that you

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probably won't sign an extension unless like something changes, and

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it could just be a situation in which it's like, hey,

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he he comes in, he shoots forty five percent on

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spot of three's again for the first thirty games of

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the season, and you're like, okay, like here's the extension,

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Like here's here's more money than we perhaps are willing

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to give. But like you seem to have proved yourself

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and the injury was kind of a freak injury, like

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Cole Anthony just decided to play football on the basketball court,

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and so I'm not I'm not worried about like how

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that'll impact him like long term or anything, which is good?

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Speaker 1: Would you be on when you're looking at his extension eligibility?

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Would you beyond team like sort of like the jail

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and green deal where the salary is probably inflated a

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little bit higher than you like, but it's so short

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term it's still easy to trade. Or are you trying

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to get like you know, get the four or five

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years or the four years with the team option, and

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like the numbers, like what matters more to you, like

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the length that if you're if you're or the Pistons,

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or just from your perspective, what would matter more to you,

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Like keeping the price point and it's like in a

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certain range, or having him for the maximum number of years.

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Speaker 2: I think, if I like climb into the mind of

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Trajan Langdon, I think it has to be the years.

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I think, if I remember this correctly, he has not

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given out a deal to anyone not named Cad Cunningham

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for more than two years. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even realize that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like he's acquired guys who have like had multiple

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years in the contracts or whatever. But but yeah, and

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so I think that if you gave them like the option,

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they would say like, yeah, we'll, well, we could go

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like a two plus one at what people would consider

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like an elevated dollar amount and see how that plays out.

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It's easier to trade, especially in today's like weird cap environment.

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I think fewer years is better, is easier to trade

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than a longer term thing.

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Speaker 1: I think what's also a semi interesting I don't viewed

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as a huge part is that if you sign him

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to an extension, it just gets a lot harder to

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trade him this season if you decide to do something

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in the middle of the year, and then the other thing.

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Just from a team perspective, I don't know how you

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could sit and look at how restricted restricted free agency

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is playing out right now, even with Cam Thomas signing

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his qualifying offer, like they were offering him the nets

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basically mid less than mid level money. Yes, so I

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get that, but like if you want to wait and

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see if all these guys signed their qualifying offers, then

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the Pistons, okay, you clock that. But I don't know

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how you look at what's happened in restricted free agency

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over the years where actually a current Piston is the

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only guy in years who's gotten an offer sheet from

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a different team that wasn't his own. It was Paul Reid,

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and that was just built to mess with the Sixers,

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like the So I think I'm wondering when they're not

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just auto max guys or anything sort of close to that,

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like a Shannguon type who probably could have gotten the max. Honestly, like,

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I wonder how reticent teams Well, then go to a

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restricted free agency. We'll see, we'll see what happens. And

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this might be one of those cases, especially when you

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don't think you have enough information on that player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and well, and you look at like the Jabbari

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Smith extension, right, and that was that was a long

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extension or a like good amount of money, not a

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crazy amount of money, or a guy that I think

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from my outside looking in perspective, like they think plays

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a role on like the good version of that team.

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It would be great if Jade and Ivy would be

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willing to do something like that. Or now it doesn't

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seem like that's the case, so it's like, okay, so

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we'll we'll see how it plays out. But if you

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just stick to on the court like he was, he

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was effective last year. He fits next to Kid Cunningham

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less than I would like, but still pretty good. And

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I'm curious to see how a backcourt of like him

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and Karis Slovert plays against like the bench lineups of

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other Eastern Conference teams, like can that be a thing

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you buy minutes with in the playoffs? Like as Kate

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Cunningham sits that, like, these are the questions I'm starting

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to ask myself.

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Speaker 1: Where are you? I really want to have strong opinions

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about Jalen Duran, I promise you, I really do, But

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this is I think year three of me basically, like

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I was like after year one, you were kind of

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hyping him up. I was really into it, but it's

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I've just I can't muster strong feelings about Jalender and

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I think he got better as the year went on.

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Last year there wasn't a lot of like the stuff

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00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:34,839
we were seeing on offense in year two, there wasn't

476
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:35,279
as much of that.

477
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,079
Speaker 2: The QB keepers less than that.

478
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 1: So but just like I thought he would be even

479
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,960
better defensively than he ended up being. Now that they're like,

480
00:24:43,079 --> 00:24:45,000
especially when you look at the way the Pistons defended

481
00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:47,119
overall some of the stuff that he could do as

482
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,319
a passer, I love it, you know, I love his shoulders.

483
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,319
Those things are massive. I just where do you land

484
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,720
on him? And what is like something that you're just

485
00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:58,480
like tracking most closely entering his fourth year.

486
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you asked Jalen Dern and you

487
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,519
asked Trajan land Langdon, they were both disappointed in his

488
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,599
play through the first twenty five games of the year.

489
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:12,880
After that, I like, I don't know what clicked, but

490
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:16,039
something seemed to click. He was much more effective as

491
00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,359
a defensive player and as an offensive player. And I

492
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,519
thought he played. I thought he played pretty well for

493
00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:25,559
what he is. He like twenty two. I thought he

494
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:27,200
played pretty well for a twenty two year old. In

495
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,240
the playoff series, Granted, Tobias Harris took the Karl Anthony

496
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,400
Towns matchup because there's no way in hell that like

497
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:37,839
they could get away with that matchup on defense, but

498
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,279
as a as a rebounder, as an interior presence, as

499
00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:47,359
a guy whose passing ability I think opens up more

500
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:51,480
lineup configurations around like two non shooters in him and

501
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:53,920
Asar Thompson. Like then you would think you saw in

502
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,359
the playoff series a lot of chemistry between those guys

503
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,680
on like short role actions to get Asar paint touches

504
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,279
and paint finishes over in Knick's defense. That was like

505
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,920
had Josh Hart and Jalen Brunson on the back line

506
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,759
and it's like, wait, what, like why am I underneath

507
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:10,400
the Basketbaile Sarr Thompson's flying at me? So like, I

508
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,640
think there's some there there offensively more than you would say, like, oh, hey,

509
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,519
I'm worried about kay with a bunch of non shooters, right.

510
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,440
I think his youth and the fact that he like

511
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:25,240
did improve so much more on defense as the season

512
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,440
went on still leads me to believe there's some growth

513
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,319
in that area. A big part of that growth is

514
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,960
going to have to be becoming more comfortable defending in space,

515
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,200
defending stretch bigs. Defending stretch bigs has been a huge

516
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,440
issue for him, like over the course of his entire career.

517
00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:44,519
So for Duran to me is like it's always been

518
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,960
a lot more clear to me how he fits alongside

519
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,039
Cunningham than Jade and Ivy, And so for Duran, it's

520
00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:51,559
more of a question of like what does he want?

521
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,359
Does he want years or dollars? Right, whatever he wants,

522
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,039
Like I would be a lot more willing to give

523
00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:58,599
it to him. Also because like, the center market is

524
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,920
not nearly as robust as the like shooting guard guy

525
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,759
who scores market. So I'm I'm a lot more comfortable

526
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,400
handing JD and extension. I thought he played better. I

527
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,599
think there's still room for him to grow, especially on defense.

528
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:17,680
There was a there's a bunch of there's some anonymous

529
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,200
tweets that he grew like three inches, and it's like

530
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,119
if that happens, like sure if that doesn't happen, like

531
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,799
I don't know why, Like that's pure September like Twitter bullshittary.

532
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: So he grew three inches into what like this past

533
00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:35,240
like over the summer? Yeah, is that even he's wearing

534
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:36,960
lifts and his shoes. Is that what this is? Then?

535
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,559
Speaker 2: I like it, Like he's like he's young, It's possible.

536
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,880
But like also, like, do I think he grew three inches?

537
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,000
Like no, Like do I want to see if he

538
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,599
shows up in camp and he's like, all of a

539
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,160
sudden like way taller than Paula Reid? Like yes, actually,

540
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,680
I'm I'm actually legit curious to see that. But yeah,

541
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:56,079
just I'm a lot more comfortable with how JD plays

542
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,839
and fits into the Episton's team.

543
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: Like moving forward, So if they were to give him

544
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:03,400
like the Jabbari Smith deal, was that what was that

545
00:28:03,559 --> 00:28:07,039
five years in one hundred and twenty two somewhere there. Yeah,

546
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:09,200
if it was five and one twenty five, that's something

547
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:10,519
that you would do as the pistons.

548
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: That's that's a little higher than I would go, but

549
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,160
I yeah, I'd like that deal. I again, like I

550
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,599
think a kid Duran pick and roll is like the

551
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:23,759
core of what you want to be doing on offense

552
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,279
for the next half decade anyway, So yeah, I lock

553
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:26,839
those guys up.

554
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: How do you feel about because you're meant to like

555
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,880
the SR Thompson Jalen Duran dynamic, like you said, have

556
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,759
impressed you some last year. How do you feel about

557
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,400
that long term? And also like how much does that

558
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,000
need to inform the urgency of well, like we need

559
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:41,640
to have the long term Tobias Harris in place to

560
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:44,079
ensure that there's always going to be enough spacing around

561
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:44,599
h Yeah.

562
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah it. Jalen Duran got a lot better on defense

563
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,400
when a Sar Thompson showed up, and so I do

564
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:53,920
think that's that's a little bit of a symbiotic relationship

565
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,720
on the defensive end, which is good. I think that

566
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,559
we've we've kind of always talked about durn Is passing

567
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,400
as this like mythical skill that's kind of underrated and

568
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:08,160
kind of underutilized. And I think that Asar Thompson the cutter,

569
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,640
like really unlocked that area of Jalen Duran's game. Again,

570
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,960
like we saw that a lot in the next series.

571
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:18,480
So I think, like again like we haven't talked about

572
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640
a Sar yet, but like Asar is like really just

573
00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:23,480
like the glue and secret sauce that like makes this

574
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,680
whole like Pistons team work, and so he's very, very

575
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,559
valuable to this team. So it's good to have players

576
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,319
that kind of like work with that, and and Duran

577
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:32,720
is one.

578
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it. Sar Thompson, Yes, just just I

579
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,839
don't have If you'd like to extol his defense a

580
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,319
little bit, I'm here for it. I have no notes

581
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,880
on there. He would have made all defense that he'd

582
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,200
been eligible last year. I think that.

583
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: Did you see the clip of him defending an entire

584
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:49,359
possession against the Hawks?

585
00:29:51,319 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've seen that clip. I'd like

586
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:54,960
to think that I've seen all those sar Thompson clips.

587
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,400
But is that the one where he's guarded like eight players?

588
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,039
Speaker 2: He guards like he yards, he switches like three times,

589
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,240
cuts off the ball handler like twice, like Rotates gets

590
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,640
the steal, and he's he's everywhere on the court, and like,

591
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,920
how how did this guy? How does he do this?

592
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:15,920
How does he do this any he just does It's

593
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:19,359
it's wild to see. I was at a game. Oh man,

594
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,759
what game was this? I think this was I think

595
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:27,160
this was a game against San Antonio. And he got

596
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,640
the ball he's got to steal. He took off on

597
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,640
a fast break, and my seats are like, I'm not

598
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:35,759
I'm not like court side, but like I'm a couple

599
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,880
rows up off the court.

600
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: I thought you were like on the bench.

601
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: I wish my buddies have sent me like, hey is

602
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:44,160
this you? And like you can see me on TV,

603
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,240
which is which is kind of funny. But like he

604
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:49,640
jumped and I legit thought he was going to like

605
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:53,279
jump into the crowd like with us, Like he jumped

606
00:30:53,519 --> 00:30:56,680
so high. It's just like you see this person and

607
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,319
you see him in person, it's like this, this is

608
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,519
a this is an amazing, amazing athlete. And his anticipation

609
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:08,240
and his for lack of a better word, like basketball

610
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:10,960
IQ and like sense of like where everything is supposed

611
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,000
to be on the court is just like it's mind blowing.

612
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,680
So I have all the confidence in the world that

613
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:19,359
Sart Thompson is gonna be a really good player. However,

614
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:25,319
you still can't shoot. The shot looked a little bit

615
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:27,480
more fluid like as the year went on, but still

616
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,240
didn't go in. His free throw percentage went up, which

617
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,920
was good, good sign. But you still see teams kind

618
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,319
of ignore him offensively, and so he has to get

619
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:45,599
creative to contribute offensively. Would it be easier to be

620
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:48,480
creative around us? Are like if he could do one

621
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:51,359
of shoot or dribble at a much higher level, like yes,

622
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:55,839
like which one? I don't know whichever one he could,

623
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,839
like pick one? Do what you gotta do, Like get

624
00:31:58,880 --> 00:31:59,559
to the level that.

625
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: You can do, does it? I tend to tilt towards

626
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,000
what I view is more realistic, and so the handle

627
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:08,000
stuff feels like I can see that continuing to improve

628
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:10,480
versus this guy all of a sudden he's shooting thirty

629
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:13,319
six percent on three or four spot of three point

630
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,559
attempts per game. It's sort of where I think that

631
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:17,400
would be more important. And also like a lot of

632
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,039
it's full floor stuff. But when they would put the

633
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:20,759
ball in his hands, like they had some really fun

634
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,400
offensive plays with him last year, and so I think,

635
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,599
to me, that feels more realistic. But then it does

636
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,160
open up. You have to watch who's around him as well,

637
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,119
and like defenses are just gonna if you ever set

638
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:33,680
a ball screen for him, Like defenses aren't gonna care. Yeah,

639
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:36,279
like they're they're gonna be on the baseline at that point.

640
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: So well, it was funny there were you could see

641
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:44,160
plays where he's so athletic that sometimes like it was

642
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,519
the Ben Simmons things whereas like if you went too

643
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,319
far under all of a sudden, like you're just at

644
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:51,599
the eight foot mark and the paint and then he's

645
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,599
in the paint too, and you're like, oh wait, actually

646
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:54,839
I didn't I didn't want him to get to the paint,

647
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,279
but it's too late, and so yeah, it's just so

648
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,319
I do think the handle is probably more realistic. I wonder, like,

649
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,519
I don't think he needs to shoot like forty percent

650
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,559
on corner threes or whatever. You talked about this, uh

651
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,599
with Justin Rowan on the Cleveland look Ahead. But like

652
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,960
the reason as of a coral like didn't work in

653
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:21,720
Cleveland is because like no one cared if he shot

654
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:24,400
forty on corner threes. They would just like let him

655
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,279
do it. And so I do wonder like how good

656
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,680
Asar would have to shoot before teams like started to

657
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,319
close out on him, because once you start drawing the closeouts, like,

658
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,200
that's when you get the blowbys, like, that's when you

659
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,119
get the rotations, like, that's when you get the defense

660
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,359
moving and shifting and opening things up for everybody else.

661
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,200
And I don't think I think it'd be really difficult

662
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:46,880
for Sorry to get to the level where he starts

663
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,799
drawing clothes outs on a consistent basis. I do think

664
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:55,880
that improving the handle is probably easier, But for me

665
00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,640
it's less like, oh, he needs to tween hes he

666
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,440
like his way like all the way to asket and

667
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:08,280
more like can you operate in short areas if they

668
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,360
do like if they are like sinking under a screen,

669
00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:15,320
are you able to like jet off the screen, get

670
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,440
to a spot and like draw help again, like are

671
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,440
you drawing help? Are you making things happen? If and

672
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,920
if they're if they're sinking too low? It was like,

673
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:26,159
are can we get to a spot where like hey,

674
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,719
like all of a sudden, Duran's man is up like

675
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,559
twelve feet and durance behind him, and like then like

676
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,599
and then good things are happening, and so like, yeah,

677
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,360
I think I think there's a pot. There's definitely That's

678
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,880
why I'll be working on if I were him. Underplay

679
00:34:42,039 --> 00:34:45,760
not underplayed, but like this is his first real full

680
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,760
offseason after the blood clots he suffered last year, which

681
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,920
again like delayed. I don't think he started like the

682
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,599
first thirty games of the year. So like that, that's

683
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:58,199
really good. I'm really excited to see that. So yeah,

684
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,280
I think he he really really matters to this team.

685
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,519
He holds the defense together, He contributes just enough on offense,

686
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:13,000
the havoc and like deflections and steals he creates, contributes

687
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,519
a lot to what the Pistons want to do in transition.

688
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,920
They were one of the most prolific transition teams last year,

689
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,000
and like he and Ron Holland and Jade and Ivy

690
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,199
were like a really big part of that and so

691
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,519
like and that was part of their identity, was like

692
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:29,760
not getting stuck in half court all the time. It

693
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,800
was like, let's just score like fifteen pins in transition

694
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,239
and call it today. And so he's really really important

695
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,719
to this team. To me, he is the second most

696
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:41,920
important player on this team behind Kate Cunningham.

697
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I think that's right. I guess the argument would be

698
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,800
made for Jade and Ivy would be the alternative. I

699
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,599
don't know who would be unless you think Ron Holland

700
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,400
can become the second offensive option type of guy, which

701
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,840
maybe not roll out, but I think, yeah, that feels

702
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,480
like the I don't want to say the only answer,

703
00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:58,880
but I just don't know who you would argue for

704
00:35:59,039 --> 00:35:59,760
and feel good about.

705
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: For him.

706
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ron Hollins, what do you think of his his

707
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,159
rookie season and now that the jumpers just that one

708
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,000
knicks game, did a lot of heavy lifting in summer

709
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:10,079
league for his percentages.

710
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: But he got him up, he got him up, he

711
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:15,039
looked I was in So I went to Vegas for

712
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:17,559
the first time this year. I got to see Ron

713
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:20,079
Holland up close and personal. I got to wap up

714
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:21,599
his dad and be like, your son is going to

715
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:23,679
be a star, and he got to laugh at that.

716
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:30,719
But he Ron looked so much more comfortable just like

717
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,119
shooting and having the ball in his hands against summer

718
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:40,320
league competition than he did in against like against like

719
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,000
real actual NBA competition last season. But I hope that

720
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:49,559
comfort and ease translates to like real improvements this season,

721
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:53,880
because like what we saw, like he was a he

722
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,480
was a really good, like energy guy. He had these

723
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,920
big impact plays. You could feel the like energy in

724
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:01,920
the arena when like he'd get a steal and also

725
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,480
like tear down the court on a breakaway. It's like

726
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,920
really cool he and like the he was like picking

727
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,760
guys up full court and like getting guy getting people

728
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:13,559
out of rhythm and out of sync. You like to

729
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:17,599
see that the shooting was his shooting was not as

730
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:22,079
like he was much more highly projected as a shooter

731
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,800
than Nassar Thompson. His shooting was real bad, real bad

732
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,039
last year, and so you obviously hope that. And his

733
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:30,679
shot looks a lot. He looks a lot more fluid

734
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,119
and comfortable taking shots. They just didn't go in, and

735
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:35,920
so everybody kind of assumes that, like he will shoot better,

736
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:42,639
which is good. But yeah, like the way he moves,

737
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:48,400
the way he is able to just like move through traffic,

738
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:51,239
move through space. It's like him and Ta Sar together

739
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,960
are kind of a parent you would like to preserve.

740
00:37:53,760 --> 00:38:00,239
I think that I put this, They're like they're a

741
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,920
world where like Ron becomes the second most important player

742
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,039
on the team behind Kid, and that world. That world

743
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:13,400
involves like Asar not developing like offensively as much as

744
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,039
we would like. But you gotta remember, like Ron was

745
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:22,840
a super prospect, went to the Ignite, scored twenty points

746
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,360
a game in the G League, which I feel like

747
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,559
everybody scores twenty points a game in the G League,

748
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:30,519
but still not easy. Right at like eighteen years old

749
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:34,159
or whatever he was, is still really young, is being

750
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,559
molded into the type of player that fits alongside the

751
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:42,719
rest of these guys, as opposed to like I don't know,

752
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,360
getting in like Washington and just being told like hey,

753
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,320
like get up like twenty five shots a game and

754
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,559
like let's see what happens. And I think I think

755
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:55,639
that was really valuable for him getting getting the coaching

756
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,519
staff or getting a coaching staff that wants him to

757
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,559
develop his game in a sustainable away, as opposed to

758
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:03,599
getting into coaching staff where it's like, yeah, man, just

759
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,840
just like let's see what you can do. I think

760
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,360
will make his game like more sustainable and efficient. The

761
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,199
I wonder about positionality, He's he's still young, so it's

762
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,199
time for his body to fill out, but he's kind

763
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,800
of lean, and like if you look at his dad,

764
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,559
his dad's kind of lean, even if he's six'. Eight,

765
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:24,519
LIKE i don't know if he's going to be like

766
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,280
banging bodies at the four for his entire. Career and

767
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,320
so it's like all, right and so you start putting things.

768
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,639
Together so it's, like, Okay Atasar ivy During, Ron like

769
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,320
is that line? Up does that line up have enough

770
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,519
size to? Compete when you see teams like you, Know

771
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,599
houston deciding to go double big all the, time Or

772
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:50,320
milwaukee like going With turner And jannis And portus maybe

773
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,079
all at the same, time or you see like even

774
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:59,199
like A denver right With jokic And Aaron gordon And Cam,

775
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,679
johnson is like all these dudes are, big, Right and

776
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,119
SO i do, wonder like his body needs to fill

777
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:09,599
out to kind of play the position that would benefit

778
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,000
The pistons. MOST i don't know if that benefits him,

779
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:13,679
most but like that's where that's where we end, up

780
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:18,039
and SO i do wonder about. That but like, otherwise

781
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:21,559
LIKE i think his role for this. Team we talked

782
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:25,599
a little bit about how like there's a there's a

783
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:28,719
sliding scale between like development and trying to, win and

784
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,199
The pistons did a really good job integrating Round holland last,

785
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,400
year are getting him, minutes having him. PLAY i believe

786
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,639
he played eighty one games last, year and the only

787
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:38,880
thing he didn't play was because he was suspended for

788
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,480
that thing In. Minnesota that was kind of, yes, right

789
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,119
and so like the there isn't as much or like

790
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,159
because he did it last. YEAR i believe there also

791
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:52,000
like is a wiggle room to go with like how

792
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,079
that that goes this, year but it will BE i.

793
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:59,119
Don't my hope is that we get to a place

794
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:02,039
where like not only is a, development but he continues

795
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:05,760
to contribute and expands his offensive role to where like

796
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,880
teams are actually forced to guard him, right but still

797
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,000
probably ends up doing it for bench. Lineups this.

798
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:16,119
Speaker 1: SEASON i think it almost has to be that way

799
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:18,719
where he's doing it for the bench, lineup just because long,

800
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,880
term one of him Or Asar thompson's gonna need to

801
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,719
develop into a more dynamic perimeter offen like that you

802
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,400
mentioned drawing. Closeouts, otherwise the dynamic between having those two

803
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,519
in jail And, durnan it's like those three just Barely

804
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,119
injuries factored into some of, that but With Osar, thompson

805
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:36,679
but they just barely play together last, year Even asar

806
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,639
And HOLLAND i think we're under three hundred out possessions

807
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:42,519
under garbage. Time, yeah outside of garbage, time to excuse.

808
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:46,480
Me and so two of, them of those three on the,

809
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,440
FLOOR i think you can make, work like you'll figure it.

810
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,199
Out but like the three of, them like that's where

811
00:41:50,199 --> 00:41:52,400
it would start to Get you're putting a lot on

812
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,719
those other two, players like in terms of their offensive

813
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:56,599
lifts that are on the.

814
00:41:56,639 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: Court with those, Three, YEAH jb was really read to

815
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:03,039
Put ron And asar on the floor at the same,

816
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:08,840
time even though Like Ron Asar duran is probably like

817
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:12,760
the closest thing you can Org Like Ronasar stewart is

818
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,400
probably like the best like defensive lineup if you just want,

819
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,440
defense that'd be like the core of the best defensive

820
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,400
lineup you could put on the. Floor and so it was, like,

821
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,559
yeah LIKE i would have liked to see that look

822
00:42:23,639 --> 00:42:25,280
a little bit more last. SEASON i hope we get

823
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,039
to see it a little bit more this. Season but

824
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:31,800
it really does depend On ron in particular developing as a. Shooter,

825
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:35,360
again LIKE i THINK i don't think A sar gets.

826
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,880
THERE i don't know if it matters or not If

827
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,800
sar gets, There and Like i'd come to the games

828
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,880
pre games And I'D cjd like taking like seventeen footers

829
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,960
and it's, like maybe that, works maybe it. DOESN'T i

830
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,800
don't love. That so it really relies On Ron holland

831
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,840
developing as a shooter to make some of the spacing

832
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,480
on those lineups.

833
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: Work Kay, coneham he was like kind of important to this.

834
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:01,199
TEAM i don't know really a little. Bit what struck

835
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,320
you most about his sort OF i think it was

836
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,880
an arrival for, many it was affirmation for. Others but

837
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,440
what just struck you most about how he improved last?

838
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:13,159
Speaker 2: Year, okay so if you want to talk about. Arrival

839
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,199
you know what was really Funny dan watching his free

840
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,679
throw weight just Like spike after he was named The

841
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,360
All star, team just like the dumbest thing in the.

842
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,320
World it's, like, all this guy's An All, Star like

843
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,280
you can finally get the calls we've been begging for

844
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,280
for the last two and a half.

845
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: YEARS i don't think his foul rate ended up being

846
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,760
that much higher though in the grand scheme of last,

847
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,440
season did? IT i know it went up a little.

848
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,440
BIT i didn't think it was up like precipitously that

849
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,199
it was a check pre and Post All Star.

850
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 2: Break it. Was it was something we noticed at. Least but,

851
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,440
YEAH i know he was really effective last. Year the,

852
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,960
thing the thing THAT i was most swayed by was

853
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:55,280
how much it seemed like this was his team, now

854
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,000
and how that belief in himself and the team's believe

855
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:02,440
and him kind of grew and swelled as the season went.

856
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,719
Along there, were, like really there were big moments early

857
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,280
in the season where he came through for them in

858
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,519
a way that made you feel, Like, okay this is

859
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:13,159
something that we can expect of. Him there was the

860
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,920
there was the two there's the two way sequence Against

861
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,159
atlanta where he like drove Past Dyson daniels finished with

862
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,800
the left that gets the, bucket tough bucket for claims the.

863
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,719
Lead they call time, out they come, out they they

864
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,920
run a set like somehow a congou ends up with

865
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,960
the ball under the, basket k blocks it to seal the.

866
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,239
Game and it's just like stuff like that like just

867
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,679
did not happen. Before and that's the sign that like,

868
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,960
again like this is the guy who makes those things

869
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,760
happen and like helps preserve. Wins are there areas to, Improve, like, yeah,

870
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,159
ABSOLUTELY i think you saw his three point. Shooting to

871
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,920
me is the area in WHICH i want to see

872
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,800
the most. IMPROVEMENT i, know for the longest time we've

873
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:04,320
talked about turnovers in his. Handle his handle got better last,

874
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,400
year but there were still some kind of questionable decisions

875
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,920
THAT i think are after three. Years i'm just kind

876
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,039
of baking those into the rest of the. Cake but

877
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:18,000
you saw last year in the playoffs when team when

878
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:22,760
The knicks no longer felt like they had to Perceive

879
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:28,480
ocaid as a threat from, three his offensive effectiveness dropped

880
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:30,559
and it wasn't like, bad it was just like it

881
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,639
was not good. ENOUGH i think he shot seventeen percent

882
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,440
from three in the playoff, series which like just isn't good.

883
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:43,039
Enough you would hope that the addition or like the

884
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:47,039
reintegration Of jade And ivy And Caris lavert maybe helps

885
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:50,440
him get off the ball a little, bit especially after

886
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,159
The jade And ivy, injury that it was a lot

887
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:56,079
of like just him, dribbling like making miss.

888
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,519
Speaker 1: True drac position was a breath of fresh, air like

889
00:45:58,599 --> 00:45:59,199
for that exact.

890
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: Reason, yeah And it's not like shooter was like the

891
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,639
heaviest paint touch guy in the, world, right but like

892
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,480
they they really needed someone else who could just dribble

893
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:10,880
the basketball while he was on the on the court

894
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:14,119
and so, like and he. WAS i believe he's a much,

895
00:46:14,159 --> 00:46:16,880
better much better spot up shooter than an off the dribble.

896
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,480
Shooter like same as most case for, everybody but you

897
00:46:21,639 --> 00:46:25,360
really see he wants to play the game like eighteen

898
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,280
feet an. In he wants to drive where he, wants

899
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,920
he wants to get guys on his, hip he wants to,

900
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,679
post he wants to get those jump hooks like back

901
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:34,840
to the, middle or he wants to like come off a,

902
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,760
screen like diagnose what the defense is doing and get

903
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,800
like lobs in a durant or spray the ball out to.

904
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,639
Shooters and the big step for him is getting more

905
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,199
comfortable coming off, screens set higher on the floor and

906
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,199
like taking pull up threes right and making those pull up.

907
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:56,440
Threes there's a lot of complaints about How anthony And

908
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,320
Anthony edwards was just like taking twelve three is a,

909
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:04,320
game but like that really opened up the rest of

910
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,400
the floor for everybody else on The. Wolves we saw

911
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,880
that a. LOT i think in the what was? There

912
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:13,840
what was their second round? Series not not The, lakers but.

913
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:18,639
Speaker 1: The Clipper were they The clippers? Team what is the

914
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:20,719
what is? Time Golden?

915
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,519
Speaker 2: State Golden? State Golden? State, yeah you saw. That you

916
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:25,880
saw that a lot in The Golden state. Series in my,

917
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,320
mind and so it's like that would that would be

918
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,320
the thing WHERE i would want k to improve the.

919
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:35,199
Most AND i THINK i think he knows. THAT i

920
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:35,760
think he knows.

921
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,679
Speaker 1: That do you think that they're built if you have,

922
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,599
overret if you HAVE, ivy if you're maybe want to

923
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:42,519
Let asar do a little bit, More are they built

924
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,400
to give him more of those like call them either

925
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:48,320
in game breaks or like lightning his or diversifying his

926
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,440
offensive workload better than they were last?

927
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: YEAR i think. SO i think, So, YEAH i think

928
00:47:54,920 --> 00:48:00,599
there's there's a lot. More, uh he's not a bad

929
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:03,960
like off ball, screener SO i think there's putting more

930
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,039
shooting around. Him there's and having more ball handlers and

931
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:09,079
labels him to like set some screens and make some

932
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:13,000
stuff happen on. DEFENSE i would like to see them

933
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,119
lean a little bit more into a Sar thompson as

934
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,079
a ball handler while kids on the, floor because you

935
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,679
want those guys playing together as opposed to like not

936
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,280
opposed to a. Livert BUT i see more lineups in

937
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,239
where Like levert's on the floor And kate isn't than

938
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,599
like lineups where like both of both of those two

939
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,760
guys are on the. Floor but, YES i do think

940
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,920
they have currently they like have enough to get, there

941
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,039
like If LeVert gets hurt again or like god, forbid

942
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:41,920
Like ivy gets hurt again or is delayed in his

943
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,719
recovery or, something then like that starts to look a

944
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,480
little rickety right the The Marcus sasser kid cutting him in,

945
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:49,199
ites we're not.

946
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: Amazing we had The Tobias harris discussion. Already stuart was

947
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,760
also super important to this team last. YEAR i think

948
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,360
when you're looking at what struck people the most as

949
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,199
they look and they just saw like he wasn't a

950
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,239
three point shooter. Anymore AND i know that he trafficked

951
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,199
in low, volume high hesitance type of. Looks but if

952
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,639
you ever want to get to a point you mentioned

953
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:13,679
this before, too where you want to have a Star

954
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,639
thompson And Ron holland on the court together and lead

955
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,679
into all, DEFENSE i could see those shots From stu

956
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,239
spot becoming pretty. Important is there a chance that we

957
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,639
see him get back to more of that or what

958
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,000
went into deciding to have him. NOT i know he's

959
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,360
playing the five more, now so that. Helps But i'm

960
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,920
just curious as to what was it that much of

961
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:36,679
a non weapon or the payoff wasn't that great that

962
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,840
they don't want to use him in that way.

963
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,639
Speaker 2: ANYMORE i don't know if it was a payoff. THING

964
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,599
i think it was more of an identity. Thing they

965
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,800
Asked stu to expend a lot of energy on, defense

966
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:57,920
and so having him kind of just like set screens

967
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:03,760
in space was, fine but he was much more effective

968
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,239
as like A dho Hub, right as a guy who's

969
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,440
setting screens to free Up Malik beasley to make. SHOTS

970
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,679
i think that, additionally, like especially after The Jaden ivy,

971
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,559
injury Like Dennis, shreter Like Marcus sasser And dennis shred,

972
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,159
again like aren't like the heaviest paint touch guys in the,

973
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:25,599
World so it's not like he had like the BEST

974
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,599
p AND r chemistry to work with to be a

975
00:50:28,679 --> 00:50:32,599
great diver or a great pick and pop. Guy you'd

976
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:36,840
see lineups where it was Like, shrewter who's like a

977
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,360
good not great three point, shooter And Milik beasley who's

978
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,280
like drawing all the defense's attention Like ron ste and

979
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:47,559
like one other, guy and you'd see the defense just

980
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:51,039
be like all, right like we'll we'll pack the paint

981
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:56,039
like you guys can do. Whatever and there were definitely

982
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,800
opportunities For stewart to take some of those shots THAT

983
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,760
i felt like he didn't take because Like Milik beasley

984
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,239
was just like shooting flames out of his, hands and

985
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,880
so the better call was to get like to come.

986
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,119
Up my guy's in the. Paint i'm gonna get the.

987
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:11,920
Ball i'm gonna set a screen Like i'm gonna Get

988
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:16,079
Malik beasley in an open. Shot we've seen like like

989
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,760
workout summer workouts or summer, workouts but we've seen a

990
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,840
little bit more of the like, shot, uh the shooting

991
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:28,039
like take precedence In stewart's workouts this. OFFSEASON i hope

992
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,599
they returned to some of. THAT i don't ever think

993
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,840
he'll be LIKE i don't ever think he'll be Like Miles,

994
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:35,960
turner but, like, YEAH i do THINK i do think

995
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,159
that there's like there's some there there with like some

996
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,320
offensive diversity With Stu uh With, Tobias Like tobias was

997
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,679
great last. Year tobias was.

998
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,079
Speaker 1: Was their Second if you were going wire to, wire

999
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:51,639
he could have been their second most important. Player thompson

1000
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,960
comes back and it was like, that when you're factoring

1001
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,679
in sort of a wire to wire, impact it might

1002
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:55,920
have been.

1003
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: Him, Yeah and the the difference When harris could play

1004
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:03,679
and when he couldn't play was like was was very.

1005
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,840
Noticeable and again it's IT'S i think it's more of

1006
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,480
a function that they didn't have a guy who they

1007
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:11,320
didn't have another guy who really did what hot What

1008
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:14,440
tobias could, do they don't Have they still don't have

1009
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:19,280
another like like wing sized wing player who can dribble

1010
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,679
past and, shoot. Right they they have guys who can,

1011
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,840
dribble they have guys who Can they have like wing

1012
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,400
sized players who can shoot and like they can Put

1013
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,840
duncan on the, wing but they. Don't they don't really

1014
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,679
have anybody who can do all three And tobys can

1015
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,719
do all. Three with that, Said tobias is Getting he's

1016
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:44,960
getting up. There he was definitely like he played the

1017
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,360
knixt series like really. Feistily BUT i thought he slowed

1018
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,519
down a little as the season went, on and they

1019
00:52:50,519 --> 00:52:52,519
were asking him to do a, Lot so it's totally.

1020
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:56,840
Understandable but and he's a really important player for this,

1021
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,679
team but you would like him to be less, important

1022
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:04,960
not because of anything he's doing wrong or, anything but

1023
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:08,480
because like that would mean other guys had made strides

1024
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:10,320
to put them like higher on the food, chain.

1025
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah and it's also JUST i think when they

1026
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,639
signed him, initially whatever people thought about the value of the,

1027
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,639
deal it's, like, oh, well that's sort of a contract

1028
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:20,559
that's built to trade if they make a bigger. Move

1029
00:53:20,679 --> 00:53:23,880
and it's, no you don't overthink getting rid Of Tobias,

1030
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,400
harris whether it's in a trade or he's gonna be

1031
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,760
a free agent next. Summer but you don't have his

1032
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,920
like unless you're really a believer In Bobby, clintman, like

1033
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,079
you don't have that replacement lined up for. Him SO i,

1034
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,920
like there's not even anyone on THE russ who really

1035
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,239
like checks two of the boxes that he. Gives and

1036
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,920
the most important thing from that, spot just based off

1037
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,079
some of the players you have on the, wing is

1038
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:45,840
just like the shooting and like the respect that he

1039
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,239
provides from the, perimeter and SO i have found it

1040
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,679
fascinating that they haven't looked TO i guess change that.

1041
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:54,280
Up BUT i also don't, know like what is the

1042
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,480
opportunities that they actually passed on that we would have

1043
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,199
been sitting here and praising them for making that, move.

1044
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: Right it's, like you, know Nas reed wasn't really an, option,

1045
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,719
Uh LIKE i was kind of crossing my fingers and

1046
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,800
hoping like maybe like A Jared jackson junior or something

1047
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,679
like shook loose in the off. Season not really an

1048
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:21,280
option the, Draft, uh there were some interesting. Prospects Bryce

1049
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,280
simon Of Motor City hoops and formerly Of Detroit Bad

1050
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,079
boys and The Pistons, bowles great. Guy he was all

1051
00:54:27,159 --> 00:54:31,639
in On maxine right, now the like seven foot kid From,

1052
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:36,480
Stanford like that would that would have been cool as

1053
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:38,119
a as a guy who could both like shoot and

1054
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,960
protect the rim and like was a little bit more

1055
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:42,559
mobile than you'd expect a seven three guy to. Go

1056
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:45,519
they like he Didn't they didn't end up going in that.

1057
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:49,239
Direction that was a little disappointing, Actually so they still

1058
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,199
kind of don't have that answer on the. Roster like,

1059
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,960
again like if you, squint like maybe It's Ron holland

1060
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:58,880
if you, squint like real, hard like maybe It's Bobie,

1061
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,239
clintman you probably probably just need to close your eyes

1062
00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:06,239
if It's Bhobe. Cleming but they. Don't it is still

1063
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,199
kind of a roster issue that they don't have that.

1064
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:13,480
Guy if something happens To tobias like injury wise and

1065
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,199
again like he's you, know only he's on the wrong

1066
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,960
side of, thirty it becomes really.

1067
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: Tough Green Show, green get on in.

1068
00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: THERE jb probably loves him. Some Javonte.

1069
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,119
Speaker 1: GREEN i Love Javonte. Green he's so, scrappy has like

1070
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,800
sneaky popped. Him i'm all. IN i Think Javonte green

1071
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,519
is AN nba. Player i'm all in On Javonte.

1072
00:55:34,639 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: Green If javonte was six seven and says six, four,

1073
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,519
Like i'd be right. There i'd be right there with.

1074
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:42,159
You but, like, yeah as the case, stands like if

1075
00:55:42,199 --> 00:55:44,480
something happens At tobias like they they kind of don't

1076
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:48,239
have any like way of replicating, that then you're you're

1077
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,719
Starting if that, happens you're starting to get into like all,

1078
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,519
right do we like start stew and like try and

1079
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:57,679
do that weird dance. Again we Start Ron holland and

1080
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,440
ask him to guard. Four is that he's probably like

1081
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:04,400
too small to guard at this point in his career

1082
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,920
and just like tough enough for fifteen. Games, Man, like

1083
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:12,760
sorry about? That do you go small and play like

1084
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:15,199
Like Duncan robinson at the four or. Something it's just

1085
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,519
like you lean more heavily into the offense side of

1086
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,079
things than you perhaps like because of the. Injury so, yeah,

1087
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,320
Yeah tobis is sneakily like very very important to this.

1088
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,679
Speaker 1: Team can we go through some of the other young

1089
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,239
guys slash unknowns on this roster and just get your

1090
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,960
thoughts and expectations for that moving? Forward he'll. Do let's

1091
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,960
start with clearly your favorite player on this, Roster Marcus.

1092
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,639
Speaker 2: SASSER i feel so bad Because Marcus aster is not

1093
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:42,920
a BAD nba. PLAYER i don't know IF i don't

1094
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,599
know If i've used this term in the podcast, before

1095
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,079
BUT i feel Like Marcus sasser is like a quadruple

1096
00:56:47,199 --> 00:56:50,239
A nba. Player it's like he's too good for THE G,

1097
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,840
league but he's not quite good enough to be somebody's

1098
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,800
like full time backup point. Guard size limits him to

1099
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,480
playing the point guard position when like he's really more

1100
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:02,400
of a have an off ball guy or like an

1101
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,960
isolation score than like a playmaker for. Others he shot

1102
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,920
the ball pretty. Well he's a good enough shooter to

1103
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,880
where you feel comfortable like having him on the. Floor but,

1104
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,199
yeah the lack of playmaking for others paired with like

1105
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,320
he was billed as this like really, good under, undersized

1106
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,320
but really good guard, defender like coming out of, school

1107
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,480
we haven't seen. That he's been like, fine not like,

1108
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:28,880
amazing but, Fine and SO i was, like, yeah he's he's.

1109
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,280
FINE i would HONESTLY i would like to see him,

1110
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,480
traded not because LIKE i don't want him on the,

1111
00:57:35,559 --> 00:57:37,840
team but BECAUSE i think like if he if he

1112
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,159
were playing for Like charlotte or The, wizards like he

1113
00:57:42,199 --> 00:57:44,559
would that would be put him in a position to

1114
00:57:44,639 --> 00:57:47,239
where like he could showcase more of his offensive skills

1115
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,039
and perhaps like do better for himself for like a contract,

1116
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:52,440
Perspective but, like, yeah on this, team he's probably not

1117
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:54,199
going to get to do that unless there's like a

1118
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:58,440
slew of, injuries and even, then like his limitations would

1119
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:01,440
shine out more than what he is capabilities to.

1120
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,199
Speaker 1: Do where are we at With? Clintman it seems THAT

1121
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:07,400
i know where you're at with. Him he's a kind

1122
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,480
of sometimes the way he moves away from the, ball

1123
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:13,119
just AND i was in on him my very cursory scouting.

1124
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:15,920
PROCESS i was in on him last year entering last.

1125
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:16,639
Year excuse, ME.

1126
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,559
Speaker 2: I wish he was better like he he. Is it's

1127
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:24,400
hard to find guys that size who moved the way

1128
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,679
he does and can pass the way he. Does he's

1129
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:29,000
a really he's a really good, passer really creative and inventive,

1130
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:34,000
passer but the shots don't go in as much as

1131
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,480
you'd like them. To and he's not as good with

1132
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:39,920
the ball in his hands as a driver as you'd

1133
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,639
otherwise like him to. Be and so right, now he's

1134
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,199
kind of just like a he's like a high post

1135
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:50,280
efficient passer who can like move and get out and

1136
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,559
transition and impact the game that, way but like, otherwise

1137
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:56,519
he kind of doesn't do that. MUCH i thought his

1138
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:01,119
summer league was pretty disappointing on the, whole and SO

1139
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:05,480
i hope if for, if for, him my thing would

1140
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,559
be like go be a like forty five percent shooter

1141
00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:10,760
from three in THE G league and get to a

1142
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,000
place where it's like we know what you. Do you

1143
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:15,360
rebound and you shoot and like that is the thing

1144
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,159
you do, right and if you can do, that like

1145
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:20,320
there could probably be AN nba spot for, You like

1146
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,119
so maybe not In, detroit maybe somewhere, else but like

1147
00:59:23,159 --> 00:59:25,559
if you if you can shoot that well and move that,

1148
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:28,039
well pass that, well and, rebound like there's a spot

1149
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:28,559
for you in the.

1150
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:33,119
Speaker 1: LEAGUE i do get the sense That pistons fans are

1151
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:35,559
in love With Tolou. Smith are you among?

1152
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: THOSE i Like. Tayler he's a little, undersized which is a,

1153
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:45,039
problem but, uh he has he has great, energy is

1154
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:49,320
a good rim protector despite being. UNDERSIZED i thought he

1155
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,400
played pretty well In Summer league and he really importantly

1156
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,519
like he knows his. Role he never tries to do

1157
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:59,159
anything like outside of the role of like running rim

1158
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:04,960
protecting like big man is really valuable because like you've

1159
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,119
been a summer League, dan you see these guys who were, like, hey,

1160
01:00:08,199 --> 01:00:10,480
man Like i'm trying to get, paid LIKE i can do,

1161
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:13,880
stuff and it's like this is not good. Basketball SO

1162
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,719
i really appreciate that totally kind of knows his.

1163
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: Role, yeah where are you at With Donish?

1164
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:25,239
Speaker 2: Jenkins Donna shank has really impressed me in summer. League

1165
01:00:25,239 --> 01:00:27,320
he was probably the most impressive. Player he was the

1166
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:33,199
standout player Of Summer league to, me because he made

1167
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:35,920
he looked a lot more comfortable as a. SHOOTER i

1168
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:37,719
don't remember HIS G league numbers off the top of

1169
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,000
my HEADBED i don't think he was like a great

1170
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:42,000
shooter in THE G league last, year but he is

1171
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,880
taller Than, sasser a worse, shooter but a better playmaker Than,

1172
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:53,039
sassar and somehow like a better defender Than sassar OR

1173
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:56,679
i saw him make more impact plays In Summer league

1174
01:00:57,159 --> 01:00:59,199
on the defensive side of the ball Than i've seen

1175
01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:02,519
Like Marcus sasser, do and so there's a legitimate case

1176
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:05,320
to make that Like Dannis jenkins should probably be the

1177
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:09,239
third point guard on this. Team if, oh, okay if

1178
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,599
one of those like if if one of those guys

1179
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,440
wasn't was an undrafted free agent and the other one

1180
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,159
was the like guy you traded up to the twenty

1181
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,920
seventh pick or whatever in the draft to get, like

1182
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:22,880
maybe the roles will be. Reversed but as you, know

1183
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:25,360
but as right now as it, stands Like dannis is

1184
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,519
probably destined for another season in THE G, league But

1185
01:01:28,199 --> 01:01:32,159
i'm definitely like keeping my eye on. Him he popped

1186
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:33,280
a lot in summer.

1187
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,239
Speaker 1: League i'm keeping my eye on chasl. NEAR i know

1188
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,119
the percentages weren't there In Summer, league BUT i JUST

1189
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:42,239
i think he's going to be a really good. Shooter

1190
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,360
the way he's able to move map the court away

1191
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,400
from the, ball even some of the stuff that he's

1192
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,280
able to do as a trailer getting into his pull up.

1193
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,400
Twos i'm actually a pretty big believer in. Him do

1194
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,519
you share those thoughts at? ALL i.

1195
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:58,239
Speaker 2: Don't i'm Sorry dan enough, now and SO i do

1196
01:01:58,360 --> 01:01:59,960
Think chas can be a really good. Shooter he was

1197
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:03,400
really good shooter in, college and LIKE i, thought you

1198
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,320
played slightly disappointingly In, vegas.

1199
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: But that was just BECAUSE i go off vibes From

1200
01:02:10,599 --> 01:02:12,519
vegas to where IT'S i just throw the percentages out the.

1201
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:14,079
Window and IF i like the way the player moves

1202
01:02:14,199 --> 01:02:15,480
or it's like IF i think they can get the

1203
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:17,519
shots up and they'll eventually go, in that's that's my

1204
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,159
at least if you're a, rookie and sometimes if you're a,

1205
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:22,199
sophomore if you were, good you, know if you're coming

1206
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,280
out of a. Role it Had Ron holland been bad

1207
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,639
In summer, league that's, Okay like we're a little. Concerned,

1208
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,440
yeah BUT i just go off vibes for most of the.

1209
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 2: Rookies so the nice thing you can say is like

1210
01:02:32,599 --> 01:02:35,119
he's the second round. Guy like if he doesn't, work

1211
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,639
it's not the worst thing in the. World WHAT i

1212
01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:40,639
will say, is so my read pre draft On chas

1213
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:44,599
was that, like even if he, works he's kind of

1214
01:02:45,039 --> 01:02:49,280
just a, shooter and you probably needed a little bit

1215
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:55,840
more ball handling or playmaking or, defense like from that

1216
01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,800
kind of. Role the level of shooter you have to

1217
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,320
get to in order to contribute at THE nba level

1218
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,920
if all you do is, shoot is so high THAT

1219
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:10,880
i think that's like an a reasonable burden took place

1220
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,800
on the second. Rounder and SO i would have preferred them,

1221
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,320
get you, know another player in like the The Bobie

1222
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,400
clintman like. Phenotype, RIGHT i would have preferred like maybe another,

1223
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:25,760
center because LIKE i Like Paul. Reid Paul reid's. GREAT

1224
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,719
i don't know If Paul reid is like an actual

1225
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,119
like center, center.

1226
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: Right, no, right, yeah so it's pretty, small, Yeah and so.

1227
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 2: It's like there were there were other OPTIONS i thought

1228
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,360
they could have gone on at that spot that like

1229
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:43,639
even if they don't work out from a like talent development,

1230
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:46,239
perspective like maybe they work out from like a roster

1231
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,559
redundancy perspective as it stands right, Now LIKE i don't,

1232
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:52,039
Know chess is going to spend a lot of time

1233
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:53,960
with the with THE G league team and.

1234
01:03:54,159 --> 01:03:56,719
Speaker 1: Shooting fifty from. Three he's gonna have enough five assist

1235
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,559
games to make you BELIEVE i could feel it we're

1236
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:00,159
gonna circle back next. YEAR i.

1237
01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: Hope you're. RIGHT i hope you're.

1238
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 1: Right are you ready to enter the cookie cutter slash

1239
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:09,840
righting round portion of the? Podcast?

1240
01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: Delicious let's do?

1241
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,679
Speaker 1: It so you've ALREADY i think hinted at where your

1242
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:15,400
pick is going to. Be but since this is the

1243
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:18,320
cookie cutter, portion what is this team's biggest weakness to

1244
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,639
you when just looking at them on?

1245
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: Paper, yeah it's That it's that four. Spot it's the

1246
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,079
spot Behind tobias and replacing To Hawias, harris like if

1247
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:30,320
he gets hurt. Again, LIKE i don't know what they really.

1248
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,679
Do you're you're doing a you're running a patch job

1249
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,760
at that point if something goes wrong at that. Spot

1250
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:37,400
so that's SOMETHING i like TO i just keep my

1251
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,320
eye on for future roster construction.

1252
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 1: Purposes is there anything about this team strength storyline that's

1253
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,920
flying under the radar right now that you think should be?

1254
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:55,159
Speaker 2: Discussed SO i, think mm, HMM i think the then.

1255
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,159
Speaker 1: DID i steal it? Already did we talk much?

1256
01:04:57,159 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 2: ABOUT i think the contract extensions situation is getting like

1257
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,159
a little. Underplayed like there's such good vibes around the

1258
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:09,159
team that like nobody wants to like ruin the, vibes

1259
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:14,800
but like there's definitely if you start losing games and

1260
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,360
it does become more of a, like, hey like like

1261
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:21,480
what's gonna happen with my? Contract like AM i gonna

1262
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:23,880
end up like we're gonna do? This we're gonna, lose

1263
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:25,800
like And i'm gonna have to take the qualifying. OFFER

1264
01:05:26,239 --> 01:05:29,320
i do think there's a potential for downside there that's getting.

1265
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,760
Underplayed it'd be nice to just like kind of get that,

1266
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:37,159
resolved make get everybody, happy or just like figure out

1267
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,440
like what some trade scenarios, right not my preferred, scenario

1268
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:43,239
but like a thing you probably have to think.

1269
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: About i've also. WONDERED i think this applies a lot

1270
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,320
to the what are they doing After Tobias harris or

1271
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,440
Behind Tobias, Harris it's so tough to answer that question

1272
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:55,199
without knowing how the season's. Unfolding i'm curious as to

1273
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,719
what their appetite will be to improve in the middle

1274
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,880
of the, season because are you at a point where

1275
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,840
you think you're again it will depend on, Record but

1276
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,400
if you're sitting, fifth fourth in The, east because there's

1277
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,559
PROBABLY i think there's probably two or three teams that

1278
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:11,519
you can sit here with absolute certainty and say they

1279
01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:13,840
will be better than The pistons next. Year and so

1280
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,079
if you're in that range of like four or, five

1281
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,320
are you looking at, like, oh are we moving another

1282
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:22,480
first round? Pick or are we, like are we giving

1283
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:24,599
up on one of the prospects that hasn't? Something maybe

1284
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:25,639
it's it's An, ivy is?

1285
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 2: It is it A?

1286
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: Durham but you don't really have a long term center

1287
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,480
Behind durhan right. Now SO i find there they're a

1288
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:34,239
very good. Team they have a lot of different options

1289
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,880
moving forward with the. Future BUT i don't know that

1290
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,719
you could point to just like the expendable salary is

1291
01:06:38,719 --> 01:06:41,639
supposed to Be Tobias, harris and it's not at this,

1292
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,519
Point AND i think you can now make the cases

1293
01:06:43,559 --> 01:06:46,679
like is That Duncan robinson's, functionality but if you don't

1294
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,280
Have Malik beasley on the roster how, Like so it's

1295
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:54,960
that's what's fascinating to me is this feels like maybe

1296
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,920
they might fud some fiddle and do something, small but

1297
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,000
if they are even like good and they're not great

1298
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:02,920
and there might be, opportunities it just feels like they're

1299
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,119
gonna kind, OF i don't know what the word, is

1300
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,559
go through this season without considering any serious type of,

1301
01:07:09,639 --> 01:07:13,039
transactions no matter how good they, are maybe how much

1302
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:14,159
some people think they need.

1303
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 2: It, yeah it it does very much seem like it's

1304
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:21,280
like we still want to see what we got, season

1305
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,840
but it's like you made the playoffs last year and

1306
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,719
there's definitely there's space in the conference for you to

1307
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:30,599
ascend if you were willing to press the accelerator a little, harder,

1308
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:34,079
Right but like like you mentioned, though like that would

1309
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,159
involve probably trading one of the young, guys and, like,

1310
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,239
Yeah tobias And Duncan robinson are like your salary flats

1311
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,760
on maybe even like a carousel avert if you're getting

1312
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,000
back like an equivalent like ball handler in the, deal

1313
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:48,000
or if like a jade And ivy proves himself capable

1314
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,440
of like just being a primary man ball. Handler half the,

1315
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:52,239
time it's, like, okay in a, way in a way

1316
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:54,880
that Makes LeVert. Expendable you're, like, okay, cool you can do.

1317
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,000
That but, yeah there is not a lot of like

1318
01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:02,280
trade pieces on this. Roster, NOW i.

1319
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,199
Speaker 1: Feel like it'll just end up being a flyer to

1320
01:08:04,239 --> 01:08:05,920
where it's like are they Heat AND i don't think they,

1321
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:07,840
are but like are they just willing to like they're

1322
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:10,039
done With Nikola yovic at some point because they're so

1323
01:08:10,119 --> 01:08:12,360
cap space pilled for twenty twenty. Seven AND i was

1324
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:15,519
also trying to, think like what is the, Player, like,

1325
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:17,520
yeah they'd be a, funy honest, team But i'm talking

1326
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,119
like a non star type or someone who's close to

1327
01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:21,840
it to where If i'm The, pistons it would really

1328
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,039
get me to like want to make a. Move and

1329
01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:26,520
the NAME i came up with was if The hawks

1330
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,520
blow it up and Like Jalen johnson just ambles his

1331
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,199
way out of the, market and even then it's they

1332
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,199
might view him as like the tent pole to build

1333
01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,159
around for the. Future but it's there's, again there there

1334
01:08:36,199 --> 01:08:38,039
are names that you could, say like You, no The

1335
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:39,800
pistons should, Definitely BUT i was trying to think of

1336
01:08:40,039 --> 01:08:42,760
justin what is the name that might be gettable that

1337
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:44,279
would get The pistons to, think.

1338
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 2: You want the Name? Dan. Yes so the other guy

1339
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,720
that kind of came up in conversations as people were

1340
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:55,399
talking these offseasons Was lori. Marketing, right a guy who

1341
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,439
spaces the floor is in the like the good age,

1342
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,399
range plays the right. Position the problem is the. Contract

1343
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,760
he makes a lot of money for a guy who

1344
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,920
if everything like again With duran And asar and Like,

1345
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:15,319
ron you'd be able to build kind of a cohesive

1346
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:18,640
like defensive unit like Around. Laurie but like if you're

1347
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,920
Paying laurie fifty million and you're Paying kid fifty, million

1348
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:27,119
and you're Paying duran like twenty four to twenty five,

1349
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:30,720
ish and Then asar's extension comes up and you're, like

1350
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:32,800
all of a, sudden you're like, wait like there's a

1351
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,560
lot of. Money, Yeah like how good is this? Team

1352
01:09:36,119 --> 01:09:39,680
it's like that that part's, tricky, Right ideally you'd want

1353
01:09:40,359 --> 01:09:43,600
a version Of Lauri marknen that made thirty million dollars

1354
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,560
instead of like forty eight or whatever he.

1355
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: Makes, now, yeah THERE'S i DON'T i mean if you

1356
01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:52,279
could get him and it's not a ton of, value

1357
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,960
but you're, right like the contract if you're planning on

1358
01:09:55,079 --> 01:09:57,960
keeping even just one Of ivy and Or, daring like

1359
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,960
because you Have holland And nassar coming up behind, Them,

1360
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:03,920
yeah it gets super. Complicated, yeah what about this IS

1361
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,000
i don't this would be the, guy BUT i don't

1362
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:07,880
believe he's, available even though there was that report Like

1363
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,439
Trey murphy would be an excellent fit this Bins. ROSSER

1364
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,760
i just can't imagine that he's, available ALTHOUGH i don't

1365
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:15,000
know with.

1366
01:10:16,079 --> 01:10:19,399
Speaker 2: We do have All Troy weaver's favorite, players, right that

1367
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:23,199
is the advantage The pistons. Have it's like we know

1368
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:27,479
who he. Likes that's Like Troy weaver really Loves Isaiah.

1369
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,640
Stewart it's like you Put Isaiah stewart in A Trey murphy,

1370
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,720
deal like you and you Get Kevon looney, Back like

1371
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:36,239
maybe maybe you start to cook a little, bit.

1372
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: Right, Okay so this actually feels like a pretty easy

1373
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,880
exercise for this. Team but what's the ten man? Rotation

1374
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,239
it feels like there's just nine locks of these guys

1375
01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:50,319
will be getting regular minutes and there might be some

1376
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:52,399
fighting towards the bottom of the.

1377
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:56,079
Speaker 2: Batrel, yeah, yeah it's so your starters are most Likely

1378
01:10:56,680 --> 01:11:01,560
Caid IVY A Sar tobias during your bench is most

1379
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:10,720
likely Like Caris Duncan Stu ron question. Mark perhaps that question,

1380
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,439
Mark perhaps that question mark Is Malie beasley Dan. Uh

1381
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,680
perhaps that question mark is Is Marcus? Sasser, Right PERHAPS

1382
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:23,079
i don't think they'll go with a nine man. Rotation

1383
01:11:23,359 --> 01:11:26,399
they liked the full bench lineups last. YEAR i was

1384
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,239
in favor of. THAT i think that that preserved. GUYS

1385
01:11:29,359 --> 01:11:31,520
i think that Preserved kid and the Preserved tobias in

1386
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,119
ways that, you like you probably want to. Continue so,

1387
01:11:35,279 --> 01:11:38,279
YEAH i do think that there's like there's some potential

1388
01:11:38,359 --> 01:11:43,680
there for for ten men. Rotations. Yeah maybe maybe that's

1389
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:46,640
a maybe that's maybe early in the. Season that's like

1390
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,079
A Bobie clintman as a way to, say, like, hey

1391
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:51,000
like maybe he didn't have the best summer, league but

1392
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:52,439
we need to run this out to like see what

1393
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:58,239
he's got before things go. Forward maybe that's something a little,

1394
01:11:58,279 --> 01:12:01,920
funky like, hey, like, Hey, paul like you played pretty,

1395
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,279
well like when we asked you to last, Year like

1396
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,199
how would you like to just like be a like

1397
01:12:06,399 --> 01:12:09,800
weird double big lineup with stew and like one of

1398
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,520
you gets to take like two threes per thirty six.

1399
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,920
Possessions it's like this stuff can, happen, Right but, yeah

1400
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,640
the nine man core like seems pretty locked in in

1401
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,000
that question mark remains a.

1402
01:12:21,039 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: Mystery this is to some extent matchup. Dependent but what

1403
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,319
do you think winds up being their go to closing?

1404
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:29,119
Unit is it just the starters or is there a

1405
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,359
spot or two that you could see them fuzzing and fiddling.

1406
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:37,600
Speaker 2: WITH i think it's probably just the. Starters ivy is

1407
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:42,640
the most, fungible where like maybe if you need some more, defense,

1408
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:45,640
uh It's ron or something like. That if you need

1409
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,399
some more, shooting like maybe It's Duncan robinson or something like.

1410
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:52,600
That But i'd probably they probably want to close with

1411
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:53,720
their starting lineup most of the.

1412
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:57,199
Speaker 1: Time is there a weird o lineup you want to SEE.

1413
01:12:57,239 --> 01:12:58,479
Jb Bicker staff trying this?

1414
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,520
Speaker 2: Year they're so. Dan i've you, Know i've been begging

1415
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:09,359
for years for a lineup Where kate Is. DAN i

1416
01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:11,640
had to Watch Marvin bagley And James wiseman, like don't

1417
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:16,479
do this to. Me, No i've been begging for for

1418
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,359
years from a lineup Where kate is the smallest guy

1419
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,800
on the floor and like you have enough like and

1420
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,960
he is like maybe the worst, defender, right so like

1421
01:13:25,159 --> 01:13:28,600
if you're you're conceiving that, now like he probably can't

1422
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,239
be the worst defender in this. Lineup but you can

1423
01:13:30,319 --> 01:13:35,520
put together like A K Duncan Asar Ron duram lineup

1424
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:39,720
that like kind of like fits that. Narrative you can

1425
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,479
put together if if you want to like space the

1426
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,039
floor a little bit, more you can put together like

1427
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:51,239
A K Duncan, robinson Uh To Bias ron Like stuart

1428
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,159
line up and just Encourage stuart to like stay out

1429
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:56,319
on the perimeter and like keep this floor the floor.

1430
01:13:56,399 --> 01:14:00,359
Spaced but, yeah like that's that's a weird that's the weirdsh.

1431
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,680
Lineup and like you COULD i, mean like you could

1432
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,479
Play stuart and during. Together you saw how that. WENT

1433
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,399
i actually didn't go, terribly but like that that would be.

1434
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,399
FUNKY i don't know If i'd like. It it would be.

1435
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,159
Speaker 1: Funky paul read it the three maybe then in those.

1436
01:14:14,199 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 2: Minutes So, dan but give me your lineup BECAUSE i

1437
01:14:17,039 --> 01:14:20,840
know you're playing Like Sasser ivy And kad like all

1438
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:23,159
in the in the back court together with like A

1439
01:14:23,279 --> 01:14:23,800
sar at the.

1440
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: Four my lineup doesn't Have kid BECAUSE i just want

1441
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,439
to see a Sar thompson as, like let's try to

1442
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:33,720
juice up his. Playmaking SO i would Have Stuart Robinson

1443
01:14:34,119 --> 01:14:37,640
harris and Then i'm gonna just Throw chaslin here in

1444
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,159
there BECAUSE i think that he could really. Shoot and

1445
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:41,960
then it's a Sar. Thompson it's Just i'm Having stuart

1446
01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:44,399
like he'll space on some. Occasion so THEN i viewed

1447
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,199
as A sar plus four. Shooters, now if the League beasley's,

1448
01:14:47,279 --> 01:14:49,920
BACK i will allow him to Replace Chaslin hear in that.

1449
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,520
Lineup i'll allow. It it'll take a lot out of,

1450
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:53,920
me but BUT i will for sure allow.

1451
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, OKAY i like the conceptualization of that. Lineup,

1452
01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:02,520
Yeah and that's definitely a line up where it's Like

1453
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,279
asar has to do all the ball handling because nobody else.

1454
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 1: Is, nolivert No Ivy and, okay that was on, purpose

1455
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:14,640
that wasn't an over. Said so BEFORE i force you

1456
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,079
to make some, predictions are there is there anything else

1457
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:19,760
anyone else on this team about this team that we

1458
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,359
have not discussed that you Think warren's.

1459
01:15:21,399 --> 01:15:24,359
Speaker 2: Conversation so this would be the spot WHERE i bring

1460
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,439
Up Dannis, jenkins but because you are so, thorough you

1461
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,600
already had him in so, no we're.

1462
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: Good is that is He like if you're looking at

1463
01:15:33,039 --> 01:15:36,319
kind of the the guys that could be like, Surprised

1464
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,560
oh they're in the? Rotation is like a tenth or ninth?

1465
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:40,680
Man is that you're pick for? It do you think

1466
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,319
it could Be? Smith and then it's all like, shit

1467
01:15:42,359 --> 01:15:43,920
he's on a two, Way like we're gonna have to convert.

1468
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,560
Speaker 2: THAT i definitely think Like Danis jenkins could be a.

1469
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,439
Surprise it would not shock me if like training camp

1470
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,800
comes out and you're hearing a lot of like Like

1471
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,840
Dannis jenkins looks looks really good in training, Camp like

1472
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,239
he's clawing, Minutes like he's clawing his way in the

1473
01:15:58,279 --> 01:16:01,119
lineups that we didn't expect him. To it's like Why

1474
01:16:01,319 --> 01:16:04,800
and like you come to the first preseason game and you're, like,

1475
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,960
wait why is why Are Danis jenkins And jade And

1476
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,920
ivy on the floor? Together like that's kind of. Weird

1477
01:16:09,039 --> 01:16:12,279
it's like what are they? COOKING i definitely think that

1478
01:16:12,359 --> 01:16:14,079
there's there's a possibility. There, Yes.

1479
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:19,159
Speaker 1: So predictions, time how many games do you see them

1480
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:20,920
winning and where do you see them landing in the

1481
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,760
regular season standings for The Eastern.

1482
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: Conference all, right this is this is the tough. Thing

1483
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:32,199
so let's level set. Expectations, right you, lose you get

1484
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,960
the sixth, seed you avoid the play, in you lose

1485
01:16:35,079 --> 01:16:37,520
in the first round of the playoffs last. Season for,

1486
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,319
me the goal this year should should be for this

1487
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,119
team to win a first round playoff. Series that should

1488
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:46,159
be the goal you should look to advance in the.

1489
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:50,920
Playoffs what what makes that goal? EASIER a staying out

1490
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,840
of the play in just like you, know not having

1491
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,079
to worry about any of the bs that candor can't

1492
01:16:56,079 --> 01:16:59,800
happen to the play IN b getting home. Court getting

1493
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,479
home court matters if you're trying to win an actual playoff.

1494
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,960
Series so to do, that you have to win in

1495
01:17:05,039 --> 01:17:08,079
the regular, season and you have to win probably in

1496
01:17:08,119 --> 01:17:11,000
the neighborhood of like forty five to forty seven games

1497
01:17:11,039 --> 01:17:14,039
in the regular. Season to, me that should be what

1498
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:16,920
The pistons like shoot. For they should shoot for being

1499
01:17:17,039 --> 01:17:20,439
like a fifty win. Team land short of, that try

1500
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,119
and get the four seed and like win your first

1501
01:17:24,199 --> 01:17:26,319
round home court. Series that should be the goal of this.

1502
01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:29,000
Season DO i think they can DO i think they do. That,

1503
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,680
NO i. DON'T i don't think they do. THAT i

1504
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:37,439
think between the improvements that The magic made this offseason

1505
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,359
from a roster, perspective between like the wholesale revamped thing

1506
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,800
The hawks have going. On The hawks are really good

1507
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:52,000
and looked LIKE I i was not A Jalen johnson,

1508
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:55,640
person like he convinced me last. Year they really missed.

1509
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,800
Him getting him back will be. Huge and then obviously

1510
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:05,600
you've got like you Got, cleveland you Got New, york you.

1511
01:18:07,119 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 1: Got milwaukee Who Johannis turner and.

1512
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:15,159
Speaker 2: Dudes, Yeah Like i'm always reticent to count Out milwaukee

1513
01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:17,039
ahead of The pistons because The pistons have just never

1514
01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:18,840
been able to beat, you honest in any, way shape

1515
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:21,600
or form like other teams, can but like we. Can't

1516
01:18:22,199 --> 01:18:23,800
so like it's easy for me to be, like all,

1517
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,479
right like maybe that's like the fourth seed and like

1518
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,520
we get the fifth seed AND i hate that playoff, matchup,

1519
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,640
Right but, YEAH i would like for The pistons to

1520
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,199
get into a spot where they're the fourth seed or.

1521
01:18:35,239 --> 01:18:37,640
HIGHER i don't think they get, there but like for,

1522
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:40,239
me IF i hope they prove me. WRONG i hope

1523
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:41,279
them in a space where they prove me.

1524
01:18:41,319 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: WRONG i think for, them it's like them maybe more

1525
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,079
so than any team in The Eastern. Conference, yeah because

1526
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:50,560
Like orlando pushed all its chips, in like progress isn't,

1527
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,640
linear and so if they end up winning like forty

1528
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,680
one or forty two, games but you come away, thinking

1529
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:57,520
Like Ron holland shot really well from the, floor and

1530
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,520
we got more out of offense From asar And jade

1531
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,239
And ivy really good both with and Without Kate, cunningham

1532
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:05,000
and it just. Broke things just broke wrongly in The

1533
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:07,720
east that still can count as, progress AND i think

1534
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:10,119
that's probably what fans need to. Remember but they're also

1535
01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:12,199
in a spot WHERE i don't know WHERE i would

1536
01:19:12,199 --> 01:19:14,239
put them in the standings. Exactly but how many teams

1537
01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:17,439
we're sitting here today Early september would you be prepared

1538
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,079
to guarantee are going to be better than them in

1539
01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:22,479
The east next? Season like it's probably, Three.

1540
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah it's Like, Cleveland New york and if, possible.

1541
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:29,079
Speaker 1: Yeah orlando Or atlanta, Maybe and then LIKE i don't

1542
01:19:29,079 --> 01:19:30,920
know what to feel about The. Sixers i'm never gonna

1543
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:32,520
give them the benefit of the doubt at this, point

1544
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:33,960
but they're the mother of all wild.

1545
01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:38,039
Speaker 2: Guards, yeah, exactly. Exactly sixers are really, little by the,

1546
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:40,560
way like Without embeed's a lot of.

1547
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,199
Speaker 1: Guards, YEAH i, MEAN i don't know the dynamic between

1548
01:19:44,279 --> 01:19:46,560
And i'm Assuming Quentin grimes will be. Back we're still

1549
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,600
waiting for that whole situation to play. Out so what's

1550
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:52,359
the matchup if you're looking at this through a postseason

1551
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:55,760
lens that either concerns you or you would find most. Fascinating,

1552
01:19:55,840 --> 01:19:58,520
again as of Early, september this is something that could

1553
01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:58,880
of course.

1554
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:03,039
Speaker 2: Change, Yeah, yeah definitely the Matchup i'd be most afraid

1555
01:20:03,039 --> 01:20:07,159
of is again The milwaukee. Matchup just never an answer for.

1556
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:08,560
That jannis, GUY.

1557
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:12,960
Speaker 1: I have an. Answer play him next To Kyle kuzma

1558
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,640
and there's The pistons. Answer that's how you.

1559
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: Just like mind Controlled doc in the Playing kuzma thirty

1560
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:19,880
five minutes a.

1561
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,640
Speaker 1: Game you don't got to mind control him into doing

1562
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:23,239
anything like.

1563
01:20:23,359 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 2: That. Now but like good, MATCHUPS i, think like we

1564
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,279
we saw this in the, playoffs they match up sneakily

1565
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:39,880
like pretty well With New. York they Played cleveland very,

1566
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,520
COMPETITIVELY i believe in like three out of the four

1567
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,279
games this. Season is that a MATCHUP i like want,

1568
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,520
no but LIKE i don't think that's like an atrocious

1569
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:55,960
matchup for. THEM i want to see How indiana restructures

1570
01:20:56,039 --> 01:20:59,520
things Without halliburton and Without, turner but.

1571
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,520
Speaker 1: Is there SO i think they'll run everything through, him

1572
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:02,760
as my.

1573
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,000
Speaker 2: Guess but those were also some like pretty, fun pretty

1574
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,479
competitive games last. Season i'd be curious to see more of.

1575
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:13,680
That And Atlanta. Atlanta they Beat atlanta a lot last

1576
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,960
year Because kid can post Up tray and that's like

1577
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:19,239
it's really funny to watch them like scramble everything so

1578
01:21:19,359 --> 01:21:21,960
that doesn't happen and Then kid just like makes it happen.

1579
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,000
Anyway But atlanta's, like you, know restructured the whole team and,

1580
01:21:26,039 --> 01:21:29,000
everything and like Maybe Chris tops, plays Maybe christops doesn't,

1581
01:21:29,039 --> 01:21:31,319
play and like that changes the whole matchup or. Whatever but,

1582
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,319
yeah like that that's another. Team orlando's too damn big.

1583
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:38,399
Speaker 1: Too that's my pick, though IS i feel like somebody

1584
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:41,439
would like be put in the hospital during that between

1585
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,039
A Piston's magic, series that would be you, know you

1586
01:21:44,119 --> 01:21:46,920
thought Like Piston's nicks was really, physical BUT i just

1587
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,399
feel Like Piston's magics would be a whole different, type

1588
01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:52,199
like a Different now you Imagine Isaiah stewart playing like

1589
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:54,319
if he's healthy and playing in that, Series my, God.

1590
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,159
Speaker 2: So Like stewart would be Guarding polo by game, three

1591
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:00,760
and it's just like just like chest to, check just

1592
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,760
like a war every possession for twenty four, seconds because

1593
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,079
that's how long it Takes paula to get to a.

1594
01:22:06,119 --> 01:22:07,560
Shot but not.

1595
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 1: Anymore he's got some space to work with, now maybe not,

1596
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,199
enough BUT i don't think it'll take him that long.

1597
01:22:11,239 --> 01:22:12,119
Anymore but, Yeah i'm with.

1598
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:12,319
Speaker 2: YOU i.

1599
01:22:12,359 --> 01:22:15,159
Speaker 1: Would i'm begging for that team to get out in transition.

1600
01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:16,560
More that was one of the fun things about What

1601
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:22,039
kden The pistons were doing last. Year so CAN i

1602
01:22:22,079 --> 01:22:24,640
get one more prediction from you about This piston? Squad

1603
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:26,720
could be. Anything you can take it wherever you.

1604
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 2: Want Jalen duran signs an extension before the, Deadline Jaden

1605
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:32,399
ivy does, not.

1606
01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: He'll create an awkward dynamic in a.

1607
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:38,159
Speaker 2: Lot, yes yes it.

1608
01:22:38,199 --> 01:22:40,319
Speaker 1: WOULD i thought it was going to be more of

1609
01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:42,960
like an all or nothing proposition with them to where, it's,

1610
01:22:43,039 --> 01:22:45,720
oh both of them will get an extension or nobody's

1611
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:46,199
getting an.

1612
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 2: EXTENSION i THINK i Think Tradan lannon is very. PRAGMATIC

1613
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:52,960
i think it's THE i think the gap between what

1614
01:22:53,119 --> 01:22:56,319
both sides want is smaller on The durham, side AND

1615
01:22:56,399 --> 01:22:58,159
i think that, like as you get into, camp you

1616
01:22:58,319 --> 01:23:00,760
like mixed. Up you see these guys play together, Again you're,

1617
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:03,560
like all, right, like let's let's make this. Happen WHEREAS i,

1618
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,119
think Like jade And ivy like has more to, prove

1619
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,079
can prove, more is capable of proving, more and so

1620
01:23:10,199 --> 01:23:12,039
it's easier for me to see a scenario where he's, like,

1621
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,359
no Like i'm gonna ball out this, year like we're

1622
01:23:14,399 --> 01:23:16,319
gonna win fifty, Games i'm gonna ball, out And i'm

1623
01:23:16,319 --> 01:23:18,800
gonna make thirty million dollars a. Year and it's like, yeah,

1624
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,439
Man galaspy like go for. It BUT i don't know

1625
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,840
if Trading lady wants to give you thirty million dollars a.

1626
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,359
Speaker 1: Year so we'll see if you're Predicting durren gets an.

1627
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:29,720
Extension i'm gonna set the over under on his contract

1628
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,439
at twenty four million dollars on average per. Year you

1629
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:33,520
take the over of the under on.

1630
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 2: That I'm i'm gonna take the. Over say it's like

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01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:38,520
twenty five ish four, years one hundred and one million

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01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:38,840
dollars a.

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01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: Year just get the little extra spread out he's making a.

1634
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 2: Year, yeah get the tiny. Extra so like when like

1635
01:23:47,079 --> 01:23:51,000
Someone Mark williams signs for like four for, ninety you

1636
01:23:51,079 --> 01:23:53,000
can HAVE jd like and his agent kind of like

1637
01:23:53,079 --> 01:23:54,680
dap each other up and be, like see we did

1638
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:55,159
better than this.

1639
01:23:55,279 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: Guy right if The sons Give Mark williams four years

1640
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,399
and ninety million dollars after up at, First oh my, god.

1641
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,239
Speaker 2: Put a past. Match put it Past matt ishb put

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01:24:04,279 --> 01:24:04,560
it past.

1643
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,039
Speaker 1: Him, NO i won't want.

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01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:13,600
Speaker 2: Anything, uh this was, Great Like, Matt, matt if you

1645
01:24:14,079 --> 01:24:16,239
buy a chance or like are listening to, this just

1646
01:24:16,319 --> 01:24:19,000
like pour more money Into Michigan state IN, il like

1647
01:24:19,119 --> 01:24:21,479
that's what we. Need like stop wasting your time with

1648
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,720
These Phoenix suns, Dudes like your money would be served

1649
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:29,000
better like making everything about The Spartan stadium, experience like

1650
01:24:29,079 --> 01:24:31,840
better put more money Into Nile. Collective, Okay i'm, done.

1651
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:35,359
Speaker 1: Rather than try to hire people With michigan ties to help.

1652
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 2: Him, yeah it's like if you want to be In,

1653
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:40,560
michigan just come back To, michigan, Bro like we got.

1654
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:41,920
You just write the.

1655
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,039
Speaker 1: Check he's wanting to write. Checks he's also well in

1656
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:47,840
his having this self owned was like one of my

1657
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:51,199
favorite like social media posts of. Whatever he's just he's

1658
01:24:51,239 --> 01:24:53,800
reacting TO espn saying The suns are going to. Regress he's, like,

1659
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:55,840
yeah well they thought we were gonna be good last.

1660
01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:03,119
Speaker 2: Year show that we showed, Them, like is that what You? Okay, okay, okay.

1661
01:25:04,279 --> 01:25:06,880
Speaker 1: Last this was fantastic as, always and thank you as

1662
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,199
always given me so much of your. Time are you

1663
01:25:09,239 --> 01:25:13,600
able just to tell our, watchers, listeners, subscribers audience, members,

1664
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,000
whatever where they can find you and any work that

1665
01:25:16,039 --> 01:25:18,239
you would like to plug This, no thank.

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01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: You dan once again for having. Me you said this

1667
01:25:20,079 --> 01:25:22,840
is year, seven which feels wild to. ME i feel

1668
01:25:24,039 --> 01:25:27,199
so valued and blessed that after all these, years you're still,

1669
01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:28,920
like you know, WHAT i want to talk to that

1670
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:30,279
last guy about The Detroit.

1671
01:25:30,319 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 1: Pistons it, means, LOOK i just appreciate that you have

1672
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:34,800
a low bar for appreciating. Stuff that's All i'm.

1673
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:38,079
Speaker 2: Saying you can still find me on the social media's

1674
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:40,720
at Last, chance that's AT la z C H a

1675
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,479
n C. E you can still find anything THAT i

1676
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:49,279
have time to write At Detroit Bad, boys Which vox

1677
01:25:49,399 --> 01:25:52,159
LIKE sb like recently like redid some stuff on the

1678
01:25:52,199 --> 01:25:55,600
site that looks pretty. Cool shout out To Fearless Leaders Sean.

1679
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,800
Corp for pulling everything together with. That and Then i'd

1680
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:04,079
like to shout Out Bryce simon Of MotorCity, hoops who

1681
01:26:04,159 --> 01:26:06,840
does a really great job just like expanding The piston's

1682
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:10,000
content space and is one of the dudes, that, LIKE

1683
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:12,640
i just really love talking to you about, Basketball so

1684
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:13,159
shout out To.

1685
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:15,359
Speaker 1: Bryce thank you. Again, last as you know by, Now

1686
01:26:15,399 --> 01:26:17,079
i'll be pestering you again in the.

1687
01:26:17,159 --> 01:26:18,239
Speaker 2: Future can't. Wait