WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.839 Welcome to Moving Conversations, a podcast for movement professionals, by 2 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:11.240 movement professionals. If you coach, train, or teach movement, pilates 3 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.119 or fitness, then this podcast is for you. With more 4 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:16.839 than sixty years of experience and fitness and pilates, your host, 5 00:00:16.879 --> 00:00:19.239 Brian Ritchie and North Saint John explored to science of 6 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:23.719 human movement, diving deep into the facts, myths, and common misconceptions, 7 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:26.600 hoping to spark thought and conversation about how we view 8 00:00:26.600 --> 00:00:31.640 fitness and movement. Now let's jump into Moving Conversations and 9 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:34.320 welcome back to Moving Conversations. I'm Brian Richie joining me. 10 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:36.000 It's always it is norse, say John Morton, Nora. 11 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:40.119 How you doing very well? Brian? It's uh, you know 12 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:43.439 it was raining here yesterday, which is weird. Here in California, 13 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:45.359 we always have a weather reporte you notice that at 14 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:49.039 the beginning of things, I mean, Brian's coming back from China. 15 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:51.320 I'm about to teach advance one of the principles here 16 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:55.119 in Sacramento. It's raining. Life is granted. How about you. 17 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:59.200 Let's say this the weather is always a safe topic. 18 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.560 Where you are, you're going to have weather, so and 19 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:05.519 being on up in the sides of the coast. It 20 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:08.280 can be really really different. It's really interesting when they 21 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:09.840 were saying, oh, this year we're going to have a 22 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:12.799 real you know, and El Nino and all of this 23 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:14.599 sort of thing, and I say, you know, I think 24 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:17.120 in the nineties we started hearing that term pop up. 25 00:01:17.400 --> 00:01:20.120 I still don't know one hundred percent what that means. 26 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:21.560 If it means it's going to be bad. If it's 27 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:24.519 going to be good, there'll be some hurricanes. If it's 28 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:28.400 going to be not so much. So I I never know, 29 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:30.280 and I just am like, you know what, I want 30 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.920 to just do the Washington DC weather window where I'm 31 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:35.079 just going to look outside and it is what it is, 32 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:39.840 and if it's raining, oh okay, if it's sunny, okay. 33 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:43.519 I think Wednesday I was I needed to run an 34 00:01:43.599 --> 00:01:44.760 error and I was like, oh, it's supposed to be 35 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.079 storming out there. I went out, had my had all 36 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.319 the keeuron and everything went outside, not raining at all. 37 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.519 So it's like, you know, I don't know, it's easier 38 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.760 to look outside, Yeah. 39 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:58.840 It's accordingly what's happening. Okay, I'll deal with that. I mean, 40 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:02.760 really exactly a little piece of information so you and 41 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:06.319 my husband, for those who don't know, al had this 42 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:08.199 whole thing about a cyber truck for a long time 43 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:11.280 and Brian not a fan and kind of kept giving 44 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:13.759 me some of some some little bit of grief about it. 45 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:18.280 So Alice now bought a pickup truck F one fifty 46 00:02:18.599 --> 00:02:20.800 two thousand and eight pickup truck, just so you know. 47 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:23.960 He's part of the pickup truck family that I know. 48 00:02:24.039 --> 00:02:27.919 You welcome, Welcome to the crowd. I'm dodging guy, but hey, 49 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:29.599 I'll accept a ford. 50 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:36.960 Anyway. So today, so today speaking of influence, Yes that 51 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:40.159 was Brian. Brian was an influencer on that one. So 52 00:02:40.159 --> 00:02:44.400 we wanted to talk today a bit about just influencers 53 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:48.479 and it particularly fitness and plot of influencers and what 54 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:50.960 do you know what to be aware of, things to 55 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:54.840 think about, just some some maybe maybe some dues and 56 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.159 don'ts for some cautionary tales because it's gotten. It is 57 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:00.319 the wild West out there, and some of it's and 58 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:02.719 some of it's not, and it's a little hard to tell. Honestly. 59 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.400 If it's well produced, it looks official. 60 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:10.800 It looks official, and that's just it. I I'm gullible 61 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:13.159 I'll be the first to admit I see something that 62 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:17.159 looks really cool on social media. I'll be like, Ooh, 63 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:20.520 that looks really cool, and I'll say, it doesn't cost 64 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:22.879 that much, let me buy it. And I'd say about 65 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:25.400 sixty percent of the time, I'm happy it works like 66 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:27.639 it should I'm like, this is kind of cool. About 67 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.599 forty percent of the time, What the what. 68 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:33.879 What the heck am I doing? Why am I doing this? 69 00:03:34.360 --> 00:03:37.719 Yeah, this is the biggest piece of junk. But it 70 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.280 looks but the way they make it look is fascinating, 71 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:45.120 you know, on on screen. And so I've gotten much 72 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:48.280 better about just swiping away, you know, turning it off, 73 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:51.719 not even looking at it. But where I came up 74 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:54.159 with this years ago, probably a year and a half ago, 75 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:56.199 maybe even two years ago, when we were first starting 76 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:59.599 this podcast. This is a topic I wanted to talk about, 77 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:03.719 and I say it like this, the difference between being 78 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.560 an educator and an influencer, because I think there's a 79 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:11.599 huge difference. There's a huge difference because there's a lot 80 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:15.360 of people who, let's face it, people want to be 81 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:17.959 where we are, who want to be thought of as 82 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:20.399 an expert, who want to be thought of as the 83 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:25.000 teacher who want to have all of the so quote 84 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:27.680 unquote quote glory, thinking there's a lot of money and 85 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:29.680 success and all of this with this, and there are 86 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:31.959 some perks, but let me tell you, my bank account 87 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:33.519 sure doesn't show a whole lot of perks when it 88 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:38.040 comes to that. But at the same time, it's nice 89 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.920 to be respected for what we do, no question. 90 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:43.839 Right, right, absolutely, and I. 91 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.319 Have I've had a number of younger people come up 92 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:48.560 to me saying they want to teach with me, and 93 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:50.399 they want to they want to do what I do 94 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:53.120 and all of this. And a question that I always say, 95 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:55.199 I say this every single time, is say what do 96 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:59.319 you got to say? Yep, and they just say, what 97 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:01.399 do you mean? I said, you have to have something 98 00:05:01.480 --> 00:05:04.240 to say that's worth saying. You can't just be regurgitating 99 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:08.399 everything that's out there, or if you do, you can 100 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.519 teach other people's stuff. There's not a problem with that. 101 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:16.680 If you want to be in balanced body, you know, parlance, 102 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:20.160 an educator and teach matt one, two, three, four and 103 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:24.480 become and do that great teach that. You can still 104 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.319 be a teacher, but there comes that next level where 105 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:31.000 you're actually creating content and really going above and beyond 106 00:05:31.079 --> 00:05:34.399 and becoming that next level of educator, which I think 107 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:38.240 requires a lot more skill and a lot more time 108 00:05:38.279 --> 00:05:41.360 in the saddle and experience, and I think those are 109 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:45.319 things that can't just easily be done by I've been 110 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:47.439 in the industry for one year and I should be teaching. 111 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:52.319 I don't know about that, Brian. 112 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:54.800 You kind of you hit at least one part of 113 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.399 the nail on the head, right. I programmed plot Is 114 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:59.000 on tours for years and years and years, and that 115 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:01.639 was you know, created the program and did it in 116 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:06.600 bodyline spirit. And so I've been in that game of conferences, 117 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:10.199 which is one version of an influencer or a presenter. 118 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.279 There's lots of other versions now, and it was really 119 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.879 it was interesting to me because I had that conversation. 120 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.279 I cannot tell you how many times people would come up, 121 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:22.480 and even people who had a lot of experience would say, 122 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:23.879 you know, I really want to be a presenter. And 123 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.000 I'd say, what do you have to teach? And they 124 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:28.360 would look at me and they'd say, well, what do 125 00:06:28.360 --> 00:06:31.839 you want me to teach? And I'd say, no, no, right, 126 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.120 That's where if you want to be an educator, for like, 127 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:35.879 like Bounce Body or Peak or whatever, like an an 128 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:40.279 education program and they give you the curriculum. Fantastic, absolutely 129 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:43.319 wonderful thing to do. Knock yourself out. There's a wonderful 130 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:46.199 way for you to use your voice with other people's material. 131 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.079 Like that's totally legitimate. But if you want to be 132 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:53.240 a presenter at a conference, for example, or an independent 133 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:56.959 educator of your own material of things that you're passionate about, 134 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:01.040 that's a different thing. It takes skill, it takes experience, 135 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:05.000 and honestly, it is a it's a lot of work. 136 00:07:05.199 --> 00:07:07.959 I would like to so. And this is one of 137 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.759 those moments because I've recently had a conversation with somebody 138 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:12.519 who's a good teacher, but who really was like, oh, 139 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.480 I won't want to present. I want to present, And 140 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.040 they wanted to show me some power points and this 141 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:19.600 kind of thing. And I sort of looked at them 142 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:22.800 and I said, have you ever done this before? Have 143 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:27.560 you ever created a workshop? No? Okay, well I would 144 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:30.240 not be likely to put you on at least in 145 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:31.879 you know, in our world and the fitness world, a 146 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:35.040 relatively large stage without you at least having taught this 147 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:39.360 at your studio or something. And then and then it 148 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:43.480 was like, I've just thought back on how many hours 149 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:48.000 I've spent, and I know you have two creating power 150 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:53.079 points and outlines and finding a plan and figuring out 151 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:54.720 how I'm going to structure that in a way that 152 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:59.800 makes sense. Like for that three hour workshop, you know, 153 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.759 twenty hours a week of work, I mean twenty hours 154 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:05.959 of work the first time, and then you always go 155 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:09.279 back and edit and revise, and that's another few hours. 156 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:11.639 And a lot of times those hours may you may 157 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:14.000 not be sitting at the computer doing them. You may 158 00:08:14.000 --> 00:08:17.560 be reading something or listening to somebody else's lecture, or 159 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:20.959 something else is coming in. That's a new information that 160 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:24.199 you're trying to hone to be able to deliver. So 161 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.240 it's just a really different process than people think. 162 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:28.439 It really is. 163 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:30.480 It's a whole lot more work. 164 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.480 Yeah, when I was in China, I was approached by 165 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:40.320 a large company that owns several thousand gyms that wants 166 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.919 me to teach my courses for them. Fantastic, no problem, 167 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:49.120 And they never want to pay much. They just think, well, 168 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:51.240 you're just sort to come in and you're only teaching 169 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:53.879 for six hours a day or eight hours a day, 170 00:08:53.960 --> 00:08:55.879 so you should we should pay you for those eight hours. 171 00:08:55.879 --> 00:08:57.879 They say no, no, no, no, no no no. You're 172 00:08:57.879 --> 00:09:01.960 paying me I'm coming to China for me to come there, 173 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:05.120 but you're also paying me for all the years of 174 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:08.799 experience I have in creating this, all of the information 175 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:11.840 that I've gathered from fifty seventy five hundred and five 176 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.600 sources whatever it is, and filtered what I feel is 177 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:20.080 important for whatever I'm teaching, and then use my experience 178 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:23.519 based on all of those theories and seeing what really floats. 179 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:25.559 And then a lot of it comes down to, oh, 180 00:09:25.679 --> 00:09:28.399 this is a different culture, okay, So for your culture, 181 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:31.039 you really want to focus on this and this, Okay, 182 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.159 So now I have to redesign the whole thing around that. 183 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:38.919 So there's a lot more to it than people ever realize. 184 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.440 And that's I think what's missing for a lot of 185 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:46.159 people is they don't realize all the background that it 186 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:50.480 takes to build that. Like you say, a three hour class, 187 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.440 if it takes me twenty hours, that's small because, like 188 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:57.440 you said on the plane just before the class, how 189 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:00.000 many times have we spent And sometimes you're looking at it. 190 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:04.559 I remember one of our best friends were teaching together 191 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.799 at a conference and she comes up to me and 192 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:10.559 she says, well, I haven't finished the power points yet. 193 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.720 I said, you're teaching tomorrow. She said, yeah, Well I 194 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.240 have this new theory and I'm not exactly sure how 195 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:20.159 to make it work. I'm like, you're teaching tomorrow morning 196 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:23.919 at seven am. Yeah, okay, let's talk this through. Let's 197 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:26.559 get this theory out, because you've got all night to 198 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.000 try and do this. And it was kind of funny that, 199 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:34.960 and that's what you have to do. And sometimes it 200 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:37.000 requires that when you do have a new train of 201 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.759 thought or a new idea or a new concept, that's like, oh, oh, 202 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:41.440 why don't we try this? Well, why don't we do that? 203 00:10:42.240 --> 00:10:47.799 And the creation process takes a long time. I had 204 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:51.679 a employee who hadn't been with me for six months 205 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:53.919 and she said, yeah, I'm going to be a teacher 206 00:10:53.960 --> 00:10:57.279 for BOSU. I was like, oh, okay, cool, Yeah, I'm 207 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.240 gonna I'm going to go through the courses and I'm 208 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:00.840 going to teach the other classes and then I'm going 209 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:03.960 to be one of their top instructors. So you just 210 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:10.080 got out of college when six months ago, Okay, you're 211 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.840 going to be one of their top teachers. And I said, look, 212 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:17.200 I know they're top teachers. I'm friends with these people. 213 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.320 They're closer to my age than your age, a lot 214 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:23.799 closer to my age, if not a little older than me. Said, 215 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.960 I don't think you think it's going to be as 216 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:30.559 easy as you think it is. This requires a lot 217 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.639 more than just oh, I'm going to bounce around on 218 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:37.639 this thing and teach, you know, teach the choreography that 219 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.200 I learned from one class. And that's one reason why 220 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.440 I wanted to sort of bring this up is to 221 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:45.559 let people know that there is a lot that goes 222 00:11:45.600 --> 00:11:48.320 into it. And when you're talking about being an educator, 223 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:51.159 I think it goes into a lot more detail. There's 224 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:54.240 a lot more going into it, and I think most 225 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.960 of it comes from your experience level, comes from your 226 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:01.840 voice and your experiencesolutely And. 227 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:04.679 So we're talking two different things here a little bit, 228 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:07.639 and I wanted to make that distinction. One is there's 229 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:10.360 the influencers, so I think of as the you know, 230 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.200 minute and a half or minute on Instagram like here's 231 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:17.039 a here's a fun new move or whatever, or watching 232 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:21.039 on YouTube, watching influencers on YouTube, which is a little 233 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:23.600 more detailed, often in depth, and think about you know, 234 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:26.679 a bunch of fitness influences I've watched on YouTube who 235 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:28.799 kind of have a plan or have an idea or 236 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:33.200 have a viewpoint or promote supplements or whatever. And then 237 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:35.519 there's and then there's educators who is more like what 238 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:37.360 you and I do, and presenters and that kind of thing. 239 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.240 So just there's a lot of different ways that this 240 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.840 shows up in our world. Yeah, but all of it 241 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:46.960 in the best, right, all the best versions of it 242 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:51.440 have depth, have experience, have time in the saddle, And 243 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.799 that's oftentimes what I'm looking for if I'm trying to 244 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.559 identify a good presenter or legitimized like read through the 245 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:03.039 bios of an instructor or of an influencer, like I 246 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.039 want to know where they came from, what they've done, 247 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:06.960 and what their experiences. 248 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:13.679 Yeah, exactly, Yeah. There. Every now and then I have 249 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:17.919 clients who come in to see me and they say, 250 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:20.919 I was on Instagram and I saw this, or my 251 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:25.360 daughter introduced me to this person and they showed this 252 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:30.440 one exercise, and I mean, how do I put this? 253 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.200 A lot of influencers make their name and have several 254 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:39.639 million followers because of how they look. That's one of 255 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:44.519 the first things, it's they're young, they're attractive. I was 256 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:46.360 listening to someone say I got one hundred and fifty 257 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.919 thousand followers on my Instagram account, all this kind of stuff, 258 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:50.840 and I looked at him and I said, you could 259 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:55.840 be a model. Cool, right, But just because you film 260 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:59.720 yourself doing exercises, I mean it's kind of like softcore. 261 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.480 I mean literally, you're just watching people do take off 262 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:09.879 their shirts and exercise, and I'm like, Okay, that's that's fine. 263 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:11.840 If that's what you want to do, no problem with that. 264 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:15.559 Where I come down with this is when someone is 265 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:18.720 telling them, here's what you need to do to solve 266 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:22.320 this problem. Here's what you need to do to make 267 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:25.960 this work. You need to lose weight. So here's what 268 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:26.279 you do. 269 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:30.120 Here's the three things you need to do here, or 270 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:34.919 here's four exercises to solve this. Here's all those things, right, 271 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:37.600 here's the six exercises for this, here's the five foods 272 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:40.000 you need to eat to change your life, whatever, all 273 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:43.720 those which have been around forever, right, the like, here's. 274 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.919 Do it exactly. I was one popped up on my 275 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.320 feet and it was one of these suggestions on who 276 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:52.840 to follow sort of thing, and I literally just like, okay, 277 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:57.039 what's this say? And it's her from the backside. She 278 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:00.360 has a very attractive backside by the way her doing 279 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:04.440 the stair climber or the step mill. Yeah, I'm all right, 280 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:06.799 I know I know what's getting people's attention here, But okay, 281 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.799 what's she trying to say? And it said at this 282 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.679 speed and it shows her doing it, you're going to 283 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:17.039 stay fat at this speed, you're going to be skinny fat, 284 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.320 and at this speed you're going to be burning fat. 285 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:22.480 And I'm looking at it to say, Okay, the only 286 00:15:22.480 --> 00:15:24.519 fat that I'm looking is in her head because I'm 287 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:29.320 not seeing a lot of science here. I'm not seeing 288 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:33.519 anything being explained except for you know, you know, do 289 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.519 it faster, do it slower? Do this? Do that. I'm thinking, hmm, okay, 290 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:39.679 how about actually And I tried to even look in 291 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:43.120 the try to you know, read underneath. Maybe she explains 292 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:47.360 herself in the thread. No nothing, And I said, Okay, 293 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:52.799 you're going for showing us one of your best assets, obviously, uh, 294 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:55.919 and maybe that's going to give some people to like 295 00:15:55.960 --> 00:16:00.279 you and to follow you. Good for you. However, what's 296 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:04.639 coming out of your mouth is really not what I 297 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.919 would want my clients to listen to. I wouldn't want 298 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.080 my children to listen to, or my wife to listen to. 299 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:14.679 And yes, occasionally they send me stuff, you know, and 300 00:16:14.679 --> 00:16:18.440 say is this correct, and I'll be like, yeah, no, 301 00:16:20.759 --> 00:16:23.919 I'm sorry, but it's not. And I'm not going to 302 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.399 say that everything out there has to be scientifically based, 303 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:29.440 because there are lots of hypotheses out there that have 304 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:33.120 just never been tested. But I think you and I 305 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:36.600 both know that when we see someone teaching a class 306 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.080 as a presenter or something and the only data they 307 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:45.720 have are, well, my clients see this result, Well my 308 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:48.240 client or I had this one client who had had 309 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:54.240 this happen, It's like you had one one result. Okay, 310 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:58.000 I don't think that one result is scientific proof. Yet 311 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:00.600 I'm not going to say in everything needs to be 312 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:05.799 validated with double blind research. However, an anecdotal evidence on 313 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:08.599 a single person is not the reason that I should 314 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:10.559 be listening to this information either. 315 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:14.160 And I think once you bring up there, which I 316 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.000 think is interesting, and you know, you and I are educators, 317 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:21.720 we're old, we work hard, we take ourselves seriously, and 318 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:24.720 we have a honestly, for both of us a huge 319 00:17:24.759 --> 00:17:27.359 body of work that we have developed to try to 320 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:31.519 bring information into the fitness and the movement and the 321 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:34.160 plots world in a way that helps other teachers to 322 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.359 be able to absorb it, digest it, and apply it. Right, 323 00:17:37.359 --> 00:17:39.079 I mean, that's that's what we've done. That's kind of 324 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:42.039 been our mission in life, and that is I mean again, 325 00:17:42.079 --> 00:17:44.920 it's a diable missions. That's why we're doing what we're doing. 326 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:49.119 But there is part of today that is not interested 327 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:52.839 in time, not interested in skill, not interested in expertise. 328 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:56.559 And you know, to some extent, like if somebody wants 329 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:59.039 to make a their gorgeous looking and then want to 330 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:01.000 make a minute and a half video or a minute 331 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:05.839 video high production values and them doing something that looks marvelous, fantastic, 332 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.359 And again, if that's the deal. If I'm doing something 333 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:11.839 to show off how beautifully I do this because I'm 334 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:15.000 a beautiful person, that's whatever that is, Like, enjoy that, 335 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:17.359 like as you said, you know, enjoy the assets in 336 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.039 front of you or whatever you're doing that's great. That's 337 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:26.240 not education. It may be inspiration, it may be entertainment, 338 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:30.400 but just understand kind of that difference between is this 339 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:33.599 actually teaching me something. Is this giving me information I need? 340 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:37.279 Or is this just fun? And again, they can be both, 341 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:39.240 or they can be either, or they can be neither. 342 00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:42.359 But just understand what you're looking at and what you're 343 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:43.200 getting out of it. 344 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:48.920 Absolutely absolutely, I always look at these people and I 345 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:51.640 do break it down to a couple of different things. 346 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:55.680 An influencer is usually going to be and I'm not 347 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:58.920 saying that there aren't educators who are not attractive. They 348 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:01.759 normally are, but they're usually going to be people who 349 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.119 could be models. They're going to be showing off a 350 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:08.440 lot more skin than necessarily, you know, I would feel 351 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:14.599 comfortable doing. They would be, you know, again, touting their 352 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:19.359 body and that sort of thing. And what the problem 353 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:21.920 that I have with that is when you're asking other 354 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.720 people to try and do what you're doing. And I 355 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:26.640 think you and I have talked about this because in 356 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:28.720 the world of plates, we see a lot of people 357 00:19:28.759 --> 00:19:31.960 who are going to put style over substance when it 358 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.319 comes to things online. And there are a lot of 359 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:37.119 companies that do that with their marketing now where they're 360 00:19:37.200 --> 00:19:40.640 hiring not necessarily the best plates instructors to teach something online, 361 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:43.319 they're hiring the best looking people in the best looking models, 362 00:19:43.680 --> 00:19:46.880 and you watch them do the exercises, and even the 363 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:52.759 basic exercises look wrong and they're being instructed wrong, and 364 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.599 then they'll show something really crazy way out, far out. 365 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:59.000 I was watching this woman do a modified pull up 366 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:06.119 on a trap table Cadillac. Yeah, okay, putting her feet 367 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:09.359 behind her so her back was arched like you wouldn't believe, 368 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:13.680 in the straps elevated at okay. I was just watching 369 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:15.880 her trying to get into the getting into the position. 370 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:18.599 To me, that was the most impressive part because of 371 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:20.799 how she had to contort her body and everything and 372 00:20:20.799 --> 00:20:23.240 then climb up in different ways just to do a 373 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:27.000 simple pull up. Of course, my brain is always breaking 374 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:28.759 down to the easiest thing. Isn't there an easier way 375 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:29.079 to do that? 376 00:20:29.519 --> 00:20:32.160 You want to get that right? If the purpose of 377 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:33.920 that is this, do I need to go through these 378 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.920 all these contortions. Isn't where to make that happen? Yeah? 379 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.839 Exactly, And in looking at her doing it, I said, Okay, 380 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:43.079 she's going to get followers from this. She's going to 381 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:48.000 get people's attention because she's doing something crazy, and you know, 382 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:50.240 all of this kind of stuff. I said, Okay, if 383 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.839 that's what makes her happy. Go forward. I worry about 384 00:20:53.880 --> 00:20:57.839 the beginning plates instructor or the beginning fitness instructor who 385 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:03.359 watches this, who we meet imediately start saying, oh, this 386 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.279 is what I should be doing too, because it looks cool. 387 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.960 And we've all I think everybody who's taken a bosu 388 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.720 class or a ball class, and then back from some 389 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:15.240 of the amazing teachers that we've had, like I bring 390 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.519 up Douglas Brooks. The stuff he can do on a 391 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:21.799 bosu blows my mind. But he also trains the US 392 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:27.240 Olympic schep us A snowboarding team. So guess what. For 393 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:32.920 those people, it's all it's appropriate. It's not appropriate for 394 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.880 a sixty seven year old, you know, grandmother to maybe 395 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.279 be jumping from bosu to bosu to bosu. It might 396 00:21:39.319 --> 00:21:42.359 be if that's your gig, go for it. However, I 397 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:45.640 do see people who immediately watch that because I see 398 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:47.319 it at the gym. They're watching something and say, oh, 399 00:21:47.319 --> 00:21:50.119 I gotta try this. I'm like, oh no, no, no, 400 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:54.359 please no, And it's just injury waiting to happen. 401 00:21:57.359 --> 00:21:59.160