Speaker 1: Welcome to Moving Conversations, a podcast for movement professionals, by
Speaker 1: movement professionals. If you coach, train, or teach movement, pilates
Speaker 1: or fitness, then this podcast is for you. With more
Speaker 1: than sixty years of experience and fitness and pilates, your host,
Speaker 1: Brian Ritchie and North Saint John explored to science of
Speaker 1: human movement, diving deep into the facts, myths, and common misconceptions,
Speaker 1: hoping to spark thought and conversation about how we view
Speaker 1: fitness and movement. Now let's jump into Moving Conversations and
Speaker 1: welcome back to Moving Conversations. I'm Brian Richie joining me.
Speaker 1: It's always it is norse, say John Morton, Nora.
Speaker 2: How you doing very well? Brian? It's uh, you know
Speaker 2: it was raining here yesterday, which is weird. Here in California,
Speaker 2: we always have a weather reporte you notice that at
Speaker 2: the beginning of things, I mean, Brian's coming back from China.
Speaker 2: I'm about to teach advance one of the principles here
Speaker 2: in Sacramento. It's raining. Life is granted. How about you.
Speaker 1: Let's say this the weather is always a safe topic.
Speaker 1: Where you are, you're going to have weather, so and
Speaker 1: being on up in the sides of the coast. It
Speaker 1: can be really really different. It's really interesting when they
Speaker 1: were saying, oh, this year we're going to have a
Speaker 1: real you know, and El Nino and all of this
Speaker 1: sort of thing, and I say, you know, I think
Speaker 1: in the nineties we started hearing that term pop up.
Speaker 1: I still don't know one hundred percent what that means.
Speaker 1: If it means it's going to be bad. If it's
Speaker 1: going to be good, there'll be some hurricanes. If it's
Speaker 1: going to be not so much. So I I never know,
Speaker 1: and I just am like, you know what, I want
Speaker 1: to just do the Washington DC weather window where I'm
Speaker 1: just going to look outside and it is what it is,
Speaker 1: and if it's raining, oh okay, if it's sunny, okay.
Speaker 1: I think Wednesday I was I needed to run an
Speaker 1: error and I was like, oh, it's supposed to be
Speaker 1: storming out there. I went out, had my had all
Speaker 1: the keeuron and everything went outside, not raining at all.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I don't know, it's easier
Speaker 1: to look outside, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's accordingly what's happening. Okay, I'll deal with that. I mean,
Speaker 2: really exactly a little piece of information so you and
Speaker 2: my husband, for those who don't know, al had this
Speaker 2: whole thing about a cyber truck for a long time
Speaker 2: and Brian not a fan and kind of kept giving
Speaker 2: me some of some some little bit of grief about it.
Speaker 2: So Alice now bought a pickup truck F one fifty
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight pickup truck, just so you know.
Speaker 2: He's part of the pickup truck family that I know.
Speaker 1: You welcome, Welcome to the crowd. I'm dodging guy, but hey,
Speaker 1: I'll accept a ford.
Speaker 2: Anyway. So today, so today speaking of influence, Yes that
Speaker 2: was Brian. Brian was an influencer on that one. So
Speaker 2: we wanted to talk today a bit about just influencers
Speaker 2: and it particularly fitness and plot of influencers and what
Speaker 2: do you know what to be aware of, things to
Speaker 2: think about, just some some maybe maybe some dues and
Speaker 2: don'ts for some cautionary tales because it's gotten. It is
Speaker 2: the wild West out there, and some of it's and
Speaker 2: some of it's not, and it's a little hard to tell. Honestly.
Speaker 2: If it's well produced, it looks official.
Speaker 1: It looks official, and that's just it. I I'm gullible
Speaker 1: I'll be the first to admit I see something that
Speaker 1: looks really cool on social media. I'll be like, Ooh,
Speaker 1: that looks really cool, and I'll say, it doesn't cost
Speaker 1: that much, let me buy it. And I'd say about
Speaker 1: sixty percent of the time, I'm happy it works like
Speaker 1: it should I'm like, this is kind of cool. About
Speaker 1: forty percent of the time, What the what.
Speaker 2: What the heck am I doing? Why am I doing this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the biggest piece of junk. But it
Speaker 1: looks but the way they make it look is fascinating,
Speaker 1: you know, on on screen. And so I've gotten much
Speaker 1: better about just swiping away, you know, turning it off,
Speaker 1: not even looking at it. But where I came up
Speaker 1: with this years ago, probably a year and a half ago,
Speaker 1: maybe even two years ago, when we were first starting
Speaker 1: this podcast. This is a topic I wanted to talk about,
Speaker 1: and I say it like this, the difference between being
Speaker 1: an educator and an influencer, because I think there's a
Speaker 1: huge difference. There's a huge difference because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who, let's face it, people want to be
Speaker 1: where we are, who want to be thought of as
Speaker 1: an expert, who want to be thought of as the
Speaker 1: teacher who want to have all of the so quote
Speaker 1: unquote quote glory, thinking there's a lot of money and
Speaker 1: success and all of this with this, and there are
Speaker 1: some perks, but let me tell you, my bank account
Speaker 1: sure doesn't show a whole lot of perks when it
Speaker 1: comes to that. But at the same time, it's nice
Speaker 1: to be respected for what we do, no question.
Speaker 2: Right, right, absolutely, and I.
Speaker 1: Have I've had a number of younger people come up
Speaker 1: to me saying they want to teach with me, and
Speaker 1: they want to they want to do what I do
Speaker 1: and all of this. And a question that I always say,
Speaker 1: I say this every single time, is say what do
Speaker 1: you got to say? Yep, and they just say, what
Speaker 1: do you mean? I said, you have to have something
Speaker 1: to say that's worth saying. You can't just be regurgitating
Speaker 1: everything that's out there, or if you do, you can
Speaker 1: teach other people's stuff. There's not a problem with that.
Speaker 1: If you want to be in balanced body, you know, parlance,
Speaker 1: an educator and teach matt one, two, three, four and
Speaker 1: become and do that great teach that. You can still
Speaker 1: be a teacher, but there comes that next level where
Speaker 1: you're actually creating content and really going above and beyond
Speaker 1: and becoming that next level of educator, which I think
Speaker 1: requires a lot more skill and a lot more time
Speaker 1: in the saddle and experience, and I think those are
Speaker 1: things that can't just easily be done by I've been
Speaker 1: in the industry for one year and I should be teaching.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, Brian.
Speaker 2: You kind of you hit at least one part of
Speaker 2: the nail on the head, right. I programmed plot Is
Speaker 2: on tours for years and years and years, and that
Speaker 2: was you know, created the program and did it in
Speaker 2: bodyline spirit. And so I've been in that game of conferences,
Speaker 2: which is one version of an influencer or a presenter.
Speaker 2: There's lots of other versions now, and it was really
Speaker 2: it was interesting to me because I had that conversation.
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you how many times people would come up,
Speaker 2: and even people who had a lot of experience would say,
Speaker 2: you know, I really want to be a presenter. And
Speaker 2: I'd say, what do you have to teach? And they
Speaker 2: would look at me and they'd say, well, what do
Speaker 2: you want me to teach? And I'd say, no, no, right,
Speaker 2: That's where if you want to be an educator, for like,
Speaker 2: like Bounce Body or Peak or whatever, like an an
Speaker 2: education program and they give you the curriculum. Fantastic, absolutely
Speaker 2: wonderful thing to do. Knock yourself out. There's a wonderful
Speaker 2: way for you to use your voice with other people's material.
Speaker 2: Like that's totally legitimate. But if you want to be
Speaker 2: a presenter at a conference, for example, or an independent
Speaker 2: educator of your own material of things that you're passionate about,
Speaker 2: that's a different thing. It takes skill, it takes experience,
Speaker 2: and honestly, it is a it's a lot of work.
Speaker 2: I would like to so. And this is one of
Speaker 2: those moments because I've recently had a conversation with somebody
Speaker 2: who's a good teacher, but who really was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I won't want to present. I want to present, And
Speaker 2: they wanted to show me some power points and this
Speaker 2: kind of thing. And I sort of looked at them
Speaker 2: and I said, have you ever done this before? Have
Speaker 2: you ever created a workshop? No? Okay, well I would
Speaker 2: not be likely to put you on at least in
Speaker 2: you know, in our world and the fitness world, a
Speaker 2: relatively large stage without you at least having taught this
Speaker 2: at your studio or something. And then and then it
Speaker 2: was like, I've just thought back on how many hours
Speaker 2: I've spent, and I know you have two creating power
Speaker 2: points and outlines and finding a plan and figuring out
Speaker 2: how I'm going to structure that in a way that
Speaker 2: makes sense. Like for that three hour workshop, you know,
Speaker 2: twenty hours a week of work, I mean twenty hours
Speaker 2: of work the first time, and then you always go
Speaker 2: back and edit and revise, and that's another few hours.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times those hours may you may
Speaker 2: not be sitting at the computer doing them. You may
Speaker 2: be reading something or listening to somebody else's lecture, or
Speaker 2: something else is coming in. That's a new information that
Speaker 2: you're trying to hone to be able to deliver. So
Speaker 2: it's just a really different process than people think.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: It's a whole lot more work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was in China, I was approached by
Speaker 1: a large company that owns several thousand gyms that wants
Speaker 1: me to teach my courses for them. Fantastic, no problem,
Speaker 1: And they never want to pay much. They just think, well,
Speaker 1: you're just sort to come in and you're only teaching
Speaker 1: for six hours a day or eight hours a day,
Speaker 1: so you should we should pay you for those eight hours.
Speaker 1: They say no, no, no, no, no no no. You're
Speaker 1: paying me I'm coming to China for me to come there,
Speaker 1: but you're also paying me for all the years of
Speaker 1: experience I have in creating this, all of the information
Speaker 1: that I've gathered from fifty seventy five hundred and five
Speaker 1: sources whatever it is, and filtered what I feel is
Speaker 1: important for whatever I'm teaching, and then use my experience
Speaker 1: based on all of those theories and seeing what really floats.
Speaker 1: And then a lot of it comes down to, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a different culture, okay, So for your culture,
Speaker 1: you really want to focus on this and this, Okay,
Speaker 1: So now I have to redesign the whole thing around that.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot more to it than people ever realize.
Speaker 1: And that's I think what's missing for a lot of
Speaker 1: people is they don't realize all the background that it
Speaker 1: takes to build that. Like you say, a three hour class,
Speaker 1: if it takes me twenty hours, that's small because, like
Speaker 1: you said on the plane just before the class, how
Speaker 1: many times have we spent And sometimes you're looking at it.
Speaker 1: I remember one of our best friends were teaching together
Speaker 1: at a conference and she comes up to me and
Speaker 1: she says, well, I haven't finished the power points yet.
Speaker 1: I said, you're teaching tomorrow. She said, yeah, Well I
Speaker 1: have this new theory and I'm not exactly sure how
Speaker 1: to make it work. I'm like, you're teaching tomorrow morning
Speaker 1: at seven am. Yeah, okay, let's talk this through. Let's
Speaker 1: get this theory out, because you've got all night to
Speaker 1: try and do this. And it was kind of funny that,
Speaker 1: and that's what you have to do. And sometimes it
Speaker 1: requires that when you do have a new train of
Speaker 1: thought or a new idea or a new concept, that's like, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: why don't we try this? Well, why don't we do that?
Speaker 1: And the creation process takes a long time. I had
Speaker 1: a employee who hadn't been with me for six months
Speaker 1: and she said, yeah, I'm going to be a teacher
Speaker 1: for BOSU. I was like, oh, okay, cool, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm going to go through the courses and I'm
Speaker 1: going to teach the other classes and then I'm going
Speaker 1: to be one of their top instructors. So you just
Speaker 1: got out of college when six months ago, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: going to be one of their top teachers. And I said, look,
Speaker 1: I know they're top teachers. I'm friends with these people.
Speaker 1: They're closer to my age than your age, a lot
Speaker 1: closer to my age, if not a little older than me. Said,
Speaker 1: I don't think you think it's going to be as
Speaker 1: easy as you think it is. This requires a lot
Speaker 1: more than just oh, I'm going to bounce around on
Speaker 1: this thing and teach, you know, teach the choreography that
Speaker 1: I learned from one class. And that's one reason why
Speaker 1: I wanted to sort of bring this up is to
Speaker 1: let people know that there is a lot that goes
Speaker 1: into it. And when you're talking about being an educator,
Speaker 1: I think it goes into a lot more detail. There's
Speaker 1: a lot more going into it, and I think most
Speaker 1: of it comes from your experience level, comes from your
Speaker 1: voice and your experiencesolutely And.
Speaker 2: So we're talking two different things here a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to make that distinction. One is there's
Speaker 2: the influencers, so I think of as the you know,
Speaker 2: minute and a half or minute on Instagram like here's
Speaker 2: a here's a fun new move or whatever, or watching
Speaker 2: on YouTube, watching influencers on YouTube, which is a little
Speaker 2: more detailed, often in depth, and think about you know,
Speaker 2: a bunch of fitness influences I've watched on YouTube who
Speaker 2: kind of have a plan or have an idea or
Speaker 2: have a viewpoint or promote supplements or whatever. And then
Speaker 2: there's and then there's educators who is more like what
Speaker 2: you and I do, and presenters and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: So just there's a lot of different ways that this
Speaker 2: shows up in our world. Yeah, but all of it
Speaker 2: in the best, right, all the best versions of it
Speaker 2: have depth, have experience, have time in the saddle, And
Speaker 2: that's oftentimes what I'm looking for if I'm trying to
Speaker 2: identify a good presenter or legitimized like read through the
Speaker 2: bios of an instructor or of an influencer, like I
Speaker 2: want to know where they came from, what they've done,
Speaker 2: and what their experiences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah. There. Every now and then I have
Speaker 1: clients who come in to see me and they say,
Speaker 1: I was on Instagram and I saw this, or my
Speaker 1: daughter introduced me to this person and they showed this
Speaker 1: one exercise, and I mean, how do I put this?
Speaker 1: A lot of influencers make their name and have several
Speaker 1: million followers because of how they look. That's one of
Speaker 1: the first things, it's they're young, they're attractive. I was
Speaker 1: listening to someone say I got one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand followers on my Instagram account, all this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I looked at him and I said, you could
Speaker 1: be a model. Cool, right, But just because you film
Speaker 1: yourself doing exercises, I mean it's kind of like softcore.
Speaker 1: I mean literally, you're just watching people do take off
Speaker 1: their shirts and exercise, and I'm like, Okay, that's that's fine.
Speaker 1: If that's what you want to do, no problem with that.
Speaker 1: Where I come down with this is when someone is
Speaker 1: telling them, here's what you need to do to solve
Speaker 1: this problem. Here's what you need to do to make
Speaker 1: this work. You need to lose weight. So here's what
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: Here's the three things you need to do here, or
Speaker 2: here's four exercises to solve this. Here's all those things, right,
Speaker 2: here's the six exercises for this, here's the five foods
Speaker 2: you need to eat to change your life, whatever, all
Speaker 2: those which have been around forever, right, the like, here's.
Speaker 1: Do it exactly. I was one popped up on my
Speaker 1: feet and it was one of these suggestions on who
Speaker 1: to follow sort of thing, and I literally just like, okay,
Speaker 1: what's this say? And it's her from the backside. She
Speaker 1: has a very attractive backside by the way her doing
Speaker 1: the stair climber or the step mill. Yeah, I'm all right,
Speaker 1: I know I know what's getting people's attention here, But okay,
Speaker 1: what's she trying to say? And it said at this
Speaker 1: speed and it shows her doing it, you're going to
Speaker 1: stay fat at this speed, you're going to be skinny fat,
Speaker 1: and at this speed you're going to be burning fat.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at it to say, Okay, the only
Speaker 1: fat that I'm looking is in her head because I'm
Speaker 1: not seeing a lot of science here. I'm not seeing
Speaker 1: anything being explained except for you know, you know, do
Speaker 1: it faster, do it slower? Do this? Do that. I'm thinking, hmm, okay,
Speaker 1: how about actually And I tried to even look in
Speaker 1: the try to you know, read underneath. Maybe she explains
Speaker 1: herself in the thread. No nothing, And I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're going for showing us one of your best assets, obviously, uh,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's going to give some people to like
Speaker 1: you and to follow you. Good for you. However, what's
Speaker 1: coming out of your mouth is really not what I
Speaker 1: would want my clients to listen to. I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: my children to listen to, or my wife to listen to.
Speaker 1: And yes, occasionally they send me stuff, you know, and
Speaker 1: say is this correct, and I'll be like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but it's not. And I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say that everything out there has to be scientifically based,
Speaker 1: because there are lots of hypotheses out there that have
Speaker 1: just never been tested. But I think you and I
Speaker 1: both know that when we see someone teaching a class
Speaker 1: as a presenter or something and the only data they
Speaker 1: have are, well, my clients see this result, Well my
Speaker 1: client or I had this one client who had had
Speaker 1: this happen, It's like you had one one result. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think that one result is scientific proof. Yet
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say in everything needs to be
Speaker 1: validated with double blind research. However, an anecdotal evidence on
Speaker 1: a single person is not the reason that I should
Speaker 1: be listening to this information either.
Speaker 2: And I think once you bring up there, which I
Speaker 2: think is interesting, and you know, you and I are educators,
Speaker 2: we're old, we work hard, we take ourselves seriously, and
Speaker 2: we have a honestly, for both of us a huge
Speaker 2: body of work that we have developed to try to
Speaker 2: bring information into the fitness and the movement and the
Speaker 2: plots world in a way that helps other teachers to
Speaker 2: be able to absorb it, digest it, and apply it. Right,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's what we've done. That's kind of
Speaker 2: been our mission in life, and that is I mean again,
Speaker 2: it's a diable missions. That's why we're doing what we're doing.
Speaker 2: But there is part of today that is not interested
Speaker 2: in time, not interested in skill, not interested in expertise.
Speaker 2: And you know, to some extent, like if somebody wants
Speaker 2: to make a their gorgeous looking and then want to
Speaker 2: make a minute and a half video or a minute
Speaker 2: video high production values and them doing something that looks marvelous, fantastic,
Speaker 2: And again, if that's the deal. If I'm doing something
Speaker 2: to show off how beautifully I do this because I'm
Speaker 2: a beautiful person, that's whatever that is, Like, enjoy that,
Speaker 2: like as you said, you know, enjoy the assets in
Speaker 2: front of you or whatever you're doing that's great. That's
Speaker 2: not education. It may be inspiration, it may be entertainment,
Speaker 2: but just understand kind of that difference between is this
Speaker 2: actually teaching me something. Is this giving me information I need?
Speaker 2: Or is this just fun? And again, they can be both,
Speaker 2: or they can be either, or they can be neither.
Speaker 2: But just understand what you're looking at and what you're
Speaker 2: getting out of it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I always look at these people and I
Speaker 1: do break it down to a couple of different things.
Speaker 1: An influencer is usually going to be and I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that there aren't educators who are not attractive. They
Speaker 1: normally are, but they're usually going to be people who
Speaker 1: could be models. They're going to be showing off a
Speaker 1: lot more skin than necessarily, you know, I would feel
Speaker 1: comfortable doing. They would be, you know, again, touting their
Speaker 1: body and that sort of thing. And what the problem
Speaker 1: that I have with that is when you're asking other
Speaker 1: people to try and do what you're doing. And I
Speaker 1: think you and I have talked about this because in
Speaker 1: the world of plates, we see a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are going to put style over substance when it
Speaker 1: comes to things online. And there are a lot of
Speaker 1: companies that do that with their marketing now where they're
Speaker 1: hiring not necessarily the best plates instructors to teach something online,
Speaker 1: they're hiring the best looking people in the best looking models,
Speaker 1: and you watch them do the exercises, and even the
Speaker 1: basic exercises look wrong and they're being instructed wrong, and
Speaker 1: then they'll show something really crazy way out, far out.
Speaker 1: I was watching this woman do a modified pull up
Speaker 1: on a trap table Cadillac. Yeah, okay, putting her feet
Speaker 1: behind her so her back was arched like you wouldn't believe,
Speaker 1: in the straps elevated at okay. I was just watching
Speaker 1: her trying to get into the getting into the position.
Speaker 1: To me, that was the most impressive part because of
Speaker 1: how she had to contort her body and everything and
Speaker 1: then climb up in different ways just to do a
Speaker 1: simple pull up. Of course, my brain is always breaking
Speaker 1: down to the easiest thing. Isn't there an easier way
Speaker 1: to do that?
Speaker 2: You want to get that right? If the purpose of
Speaker 2: that is this, do I need to go through these
Speaker 2: all these contortions. Isn't where to make that happen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Exactly, And in looking at her doing it, I said, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's going to get followers from this. She's going to
Speaker 1: get people's attention because she's doing something crazy, and you know,
Speaker 1: all of this kind of stuff. I said, Okay, if
Speaker 1: that's what makes her happy. Go forward. I worry about
Speaker 1: the beginning plates instructor or the beginning fitness instructor who
Speaker 1: watches this, who we meet imediately start saying, oh, this
Speaker 1: is what I should be doing too, because it looks cool.
Speaker 1: And we've all I think everybody who's taken a bosu
Speaker 1: class or a ball class, and then back from some
Speaker 1: of the amazing teachers that we've had, like I bring
Speaker 1: up Douglas Brooks. The stuff he can do on a
Speaker 1: bosu blows my mind. But he also trains the US
Speaker 1: Olympic schep us A snowboarding team. So guess what. For
Speaker 1: those people, it's all it's appropriate. It's not appropriate for
Speaker 1: a sixty seven year old, you know, grandmother to maybe
Speaker 1: be jumping from bosu to bosu to bosu. It might
Speaker 1: be if that's your gig, go for it. However, I
Speaker 1: do see people who immediately watch that because I see
Speaker 1: it at the gym. They're watching something and say, oh,
Speaker 1: I gotta try this. I'm like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: please no, And it's just injury waiting to happen.
Speaker 2: One of the things that this is sort of a
Speaker 2: funny moment we talked about AI a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: just as a general topic, and we were sitting in
Speaker 2: the car one day and we I think it was
Speaker 2: Claude or somebody we're gonna test. I think it was Grock.
Speaker 2: We basically said, groc, who are the most famous people
Speaker 2: in pilates right now? And they came up with five
Speaker 2: names that were all influencers that I'd never heard of,
Speaker 2: like you know, which isn't surprising and not a big
Speaker 2: social media prison, but it was just really interesting and
Speaker 2: I was like, huh. So then I looked up those
Speaker 2: people and you know, they all had a big Instagram
Speaker 2: following a big and all they were doing was essentially
Speaker 2: showing off super advanced moves on the apparatus and really
Speaker 2: no explanation, no no education piece. It was fun to watch, right,
Speaker 2: So that's that's the thing. And it was interesting because
Speaker 2: they were the most famous people in pilates, but they
Speaker 2: weren't teaching anything. They were they may have been inspirational. Again,
Speaker 2: they may have been inspirational. They it may have been fun.
Speaker 2: They may have been getting somebody's creative you is flowing
Speaker 2: a bit, but it was just interesting, like, oh, that's
Speaker 2: that's what's most That's what's happening now?
Speaker 1: Right? And for me, for me, my eighteen year old,
Speaker 1: he's fairly inflexible. Okay, do I want him to actually
Speaker 1: learn from someone who can teach him how to stretch?
Speaker 1: Or do I want him to go to a carnival
Speaker 1: watch the contortionist and say I should be doing that.
Speaker 2: I think this gets to something we talk about I
Speaker 2: think a lot which is just critical thinking. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's okay if you're just enjoying something,
Speaker 2: but if you try to put your to your point.
Speaker 2: You know, seventy two year old jumping from bosu to
Speaker 2: bosu and she's got ostioporosis, Probably not the best choice,
Speaker 2: you know. And so it's also just like understanding, yes,
Speaker 2: these are interesting things, what's the purpose of it? What
Speaker 2: I always almost want to do when I see those
Speaker 2: little clips, it's just youright and go, why are you
Speaker 2: doing this? Like what's what's the point? And the point
Speaker 2: can be it felt good or it was fun. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that's an illegitimate point. That's fine, right, that's fine,
Speaker 2: But I'm kind of more interested in in why and
Speaker 2: who and when and how would I apply this in
Speaker 2: a way that would actually make a difference in somebody's
Speaker 2: life in the long term, just because that's my perspective,
Speaker 2: you know, as an educator and as a teacher this
Speaker 2: method for a billion years. That's what I'm more interested in,
Speaker 2: is how can I make a difference in somebody's life,
Speaker 2: And that means teaching the same old thing that doesn't
Speaker 2: look so exciting on Instagram, but teaches them the skills
Speaker 2: they need to then be able to lift their kids up,
Speaker 2: run faster, bicycle longer, whatever is they want to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was in China just a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago teaching these courses. Now, I do social media
Speaker 1: in China through Red Note so, but I don't look
Speaker 1: at it very much. I don't speak Chinese, so I
Speaker 1: have someone who does it for me because it's just
Speaker 1: easier they do. They translate all my stuff. It's great
Speaker 1: and got a decent following there. Well. People in the
Speaker 1: class started asking me questions based on popular influencers.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: These influencers there are really there's not much filter. And
Speaker 1: when I say filter, I'm talking a mental filter because
Speaker 1: they're talking about things that are only now you and
Speaker 1: I both know Asian beauty standards are very very strict
Speaker 1: and very high. They're taking so super very specific and
Speaker 1: they take are taken very seriously. So these are influencers
Speaker 1: talking about for fitness, how to correct your neck to
Speaker 1: make it have a better curve, because if you have
Speaker 1: a better curve in this way, it makes you look better.
Speaker 1: And there were a lot of weird, wacky things that
Speaker 1: they're asking me questions, what are you trying to correct here?
Speaker 1: I said, first of all, you've already got a fairly
Speaker 1: straight spine because you're Asian and compared to Caucasian spine
Speaker 1: where we have a little bit more curvature. To us,
Speaker 1: I said, that's just genetic. We're we have more curve
Speaker 1: in that regard. You have a little less. Nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with that. And they were really saying, oh, I have
Speaker 1: to do this, So they were forcing themselves to be
Speaker 1: more more head forward protraction trying and they're getting these
Speaker 1: headaches because they're really compressing the uppermost portion of their
Speaker 1: cervical vertebrae. And I just said, you know, no, no,
Speaker 1: please don't do that, Please please don't do that. And
Speaker 1: I'm trying to show them how to do other things
Speaker 1: if they want to look a little different here and there,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking it just there can be a lot
Speaker 1: of danger, is what I'm saying, especially if you're looking
Speaker 1: at things from point of view of here's what I
Speaker 1: should look like because this person's body is perfect, and
Speaker 1: they say, if I do this, I'm going to look
Speaker 1: like them, which is that's an issue.
Speaker 2: Always the challenge, right, I mean, vanity driven fitness is
Speaker 2: always a challenge because there is such a strong genetic
Speaker 2: component to your structure es, you know. I mean I
Speaker 2: think about Chinese contortionists, right, You're like they're they're lying down,
Speaker 2: they're prone, and they can basically turn their head up
Speaker 2: to look at the ceiling and touch their toes with
Speaker 2: their hands behind it. Right, I'm thinking, Okay, so if
Speaker 2: that's your goal, and maybe it is, if you had
Speaker 2: your body or my body, that is never going to
Speaker 2: happen in this lifetime.
Speaker 1: I'll be attraction for a week.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. No, I don't want to think about it.
Speaker 2: But you know, even for me, like when I turned
Speaker 2: I think it was twenty five or twenty six, for
Speaker 2: some reason, I realized, huh, I'm never going to be
Speaker 2: five 't ten and I'm never going to be blonde,
Speaker 2: which which is a funny way of saying, this is
Speaker 2: the body that I have, This is the structure that
Speaker 2: I have. This is what I can do with it
Speaker 2: or what I Maybe I don't know what I can't
Speaker 2: do with it, but I did at that point it
Speaker 2: some things I could not do with it. And that's
Speaker 2: that's what it is, and it's I mean, there's just
Speaker 2: something destructive always about trying to be something that you're
Speaker 2: not going ever to be. And not that you can't
Speaker 2: keep striving for being better at whatever you are, but
Speaker 2: it's like that, Yeah, those Asian beauty standards are really intense,
Speaker 2: and I spent a lot of time in Korea, and
Speaker 2: they're even more intense in Korea than they're in China.
Speaker 2: And it's just like, you know, that's just destructive. It
Speaker 2: is trying to be somebody you're not, especially when you
Speaker 2: can't get there and can't even get closed, and are
Speaker 2: going to spend your life being unsatisfied because you can't
Speaker 2: get to that thing. I mean, that's not a happy life.
Speaker 2: That doesn't make you feel better about yourself or anything
Speaker 2: that you're.
Speaker 1: Doing right right now we're looking at especially in Asia,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people and I find this in
Speaker 1: South America as well, where we're seeing this travel medicine.
Speaker 1: We're seeing people travel for plastic surgery. We see that
Speaker 1: a lot in Korea. In fact, I was staying in
Speaker 1: a hotel across the street from a place that that's
Speaker 1: pretty much all this building did, and I was watching
Speaker 1: people come out looking wrapped up like you know, the
Speaker 1: old nineteen sixties mummies, and I literally thought it was
Speaker 1: a hospital, in an emergency type hospital, because everybody had
Speaker 1: these head bandages and all this kind of stuff. And
Speaker 1: I thought, oh my gosh, what accident. And then they said,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, no, no, they just had a
Speaker 1: little work done. What do you mean a little work done?
Speaker 1: That's a lot of work. I remember teaching a course
Speaker 1: at Palates on tour in Korea, and we were doing
Speaker 1: some exercises and including a lot of thorascic rotation, which
Speaker 1: they're usually much better at that I am. But this
Speaker 1: one person couldn't move very well. And I was watching
Speaker 1: her young gorgeous of Asian beauty standards. She was hitting
Speaker 1: nine out of ten of all of things. I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: what's going on? And I asked my interpreter, I said,
Speaker 1: are you seeing what I'm seeing with her movements, and
Speaker 1: she said yes. She said that she had breast augmentation
Speaker 1: about a year ago. She has so much scar tissues
Speaker 1: she can't actually turn through her thoracic anymore. I don't
Speaker 1: know how it was done. I'm not asking those kind
Speaker 1: of questions. But she was so afraid to move. She
Speaker 1: looked good, but she was robotic. She could barely move.
Speaker 1: And it really made me think, Wow, what are we
Speaker 1: doing to our bodies injecting all of these things. You're
Speaker 1: seeing all these you know, they see it on TV.
Speaker 1: They see it, especially now with social media. They want
Speaker 1: that Brazilian butt whatever, Bazilian butt lift, or they want this,
Speaker 1: or they want that. It's like, okay, if you want
Speaker 1: to if you want to do something like that, do
Speaker 1: your research first. Don't just jump in and know it's
Speaker 1: going to cost a lot and that they're going to
Speaker 1: probably be some consequences that you're unaware of in the
Speaker 1: long run, especially when it comes to your fossil suit,
Speaker 1: because they have to cut into you and they have
Speaker 1: to do some things. I recently had surgery and guess what,
Speaker 1: my fossil suit has more holes in it than it
Speaker 1: did before, and it had a bunch before, so it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, Okay, I just I'm probably gonna move
Speaker 1: a little differently than I did in the past. That's okay.
Speaker 1: I understand this mine was emergency, But when you're doing
Speaker 1: it in a situation like this and they're expecting to
Speaker 1: come out quote unquote perfect, I think that's I think
Speaker 1: those expectations have to be you know, tampered down a
Speaker 1: little bit and just brought down just a hair because perfection,
Speaker 1: like you said, genetics are gonna be what will get
Speaker 1: you the closest and if you want to find tune.
Speaker 1: That's one thing. I've had some people who lost twenty
Speaker 1: pounds or whatnot, you know, got down to a body
Speaker 1: fat that looked incredible and it's wow, you look fantastic,
Speaker 1: but they still weren't perfect in their mind because they
Speaker 1: didn't look like whoever they were looking at. Ye, even
Speaker 1: though they looked fantastic, they you know, they would be
Speaker 1: considered you know, perfect by a lot of other people.
Speaker 1: And that's that's dangerous.
Speaker 2: This is this is a whole topic we did. I
Speaker 2: did not think we were going to go into today.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, we're out in there. No, No, I'm
Speaker 2: just it's it's one of the issues certainly with influencer
Speaker 2: culture as a general thing, especially in fitness, is exactly
Speaker 2: that as it somebody sees. And this is true with
Speaker 2: fitness forever. You know, you see somebody who looks a
Speaker 2: certain way, and you think, I want to look like
Speaker 2: that person, so I'm going to do that thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: Pilate's for years was the thing that didn't really build
Speaker 2: bulk but made long, lean muscles. Well, it's kind of true.
Speaker 2: But again, what's your body type. Do you build long,
Speaker 2: lean muscles or do you build little bulky muscles, because
Speaker 2: that's your body type, that's your genetics. Yeah, and again
Speaker 2: I don't know. This is me. I'm old. I don't
Speaker 2: care anymore in the sense of I want bodies to
Speaker 2: work well. I want people to be able to move
Speaker 2: with ease and with grace and with comfort. And that
Speaker 2: is my goal. And that's my goal as an educator,
Speaker 2: that's my goal. As a presenter, that's my goal. I
Speaker 2: don't care whether you're forty pounds overweight, or you have
Speaker 2: no hamstring flexibility, or you're seventy five years old. I
Speaker 2: don't care. I want you, whoever you are, to be
Speaker 2: able to move better. And that is maybe even more
Speaker 2: lost in this day of Instagram and Facebook and all
Speaker 2: these people out there saying this is you know, you
Speaker 2: can be like me if you just do these crazy
Speaker 2: whatever these crazy things are. It's just honestly, it's disturbing
Speaker 2: to me. I just think, I don't know, think people
Speaker 2: should be a little more comfortable with who they are
Speaker 2: and figure it out and do the best they can
Speaker 2: to be the best person they can be. There's my
Speaker 2: philosophy at the moment.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, And I'm right with you. I you
Speaker 1: know my story. I really did not have the optimum
Speaker 1: body for so many years, being multiple hundreds of pounds overweight,
Speaker 1: and fought with it like crazy, and you know what,
Speaker 1: I still work at it every single day. And it's
Speaker 1: one of those things that you just you realize that
Speaker 1: you're in my mind, perfection is never an ending. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, enjoy the journey, not the destination, because I
Speaker 1: don't think there is a destination. Because as my body ages, well,
Speaker 1: guess what my goals a change. I would love to
Speaker 1: look like a certain way, but guess what my genetics
Speaker 1: is going to limit it to a certain amount. And
Speaker 1: now that I'm much older than I am. I just
Speaker 1: want to move better. I want to be able to
Speaker 1: get up and down off the floor, not hurt myself
Speaker 1: when I do something silly, you know, like trip and
Speaker 1: fall or whatever it is. I want to perform better
Speaker 1: in life. So your goals are going to continue to change.
Speaker 1: We still have vanity. I joke all the time that
Speaker 1: clients come in and all they want to do get
Speaker 1: out of pain, and as soon as the pain starts
Speaker 1: going away, suddenly Vanity comes out to play. So it's
Speaker 1: now I want to I want to I want to
Speaker 1: get rid of underneath my arm, and I want to
Speaker 1: reduce my second chin and things like that. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh right, and I knew it's coming. I knew it's
Speaker 1: coming because you know, I could see the you know,
Speaker 1: I could see it. But at the same time, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's maximize what you have. Let's take a look at
Speaker 1: what your genetics are. And we're planning to do a
Speaker 1: GOLP one update in a couple of weeks. And with
Speaker 1: gop ones of having a lot of clients coming in
Speaker 1: and their bodies are changing, it's great, but now you
Speaker 1: know they may be looking at things about influencers and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and I have to remind them, you're sixty, you're fifty five.
Speaker 1: Maybe some of those goals aren't as realistic as maybe
Speaker 1: you think they are. Let's talk about real reality. And
Speaker 1: I think when we have people who are influencers, who
Speaker 1: people are listening to, it's sometimes our job to remind them, hey,
Speaker 1: guess what. Let's set up some clear expectations of what
Speaker 1: can we do and work toward those goals, and if
Speaker 1: we exceed them, fantastic. But I'm not going to set
Speaker 1: up really outrageous expectations that I'm never going to let
Speaker 1: them see, because then they're only going to be disappointed
Speaker 1: in working with me.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. So I want to say a little something
Speaker 2: else too, because again, I was watching a bunch of
Speaker 2: influencers over this period of time because our I never
Speaker 2: going to this topic was coming up. And one other thing,
Speaker 2: like I was watching on YouTube and there's a fitness
Speaker 2: influence on there who really focuses on supplements and that's
Speaker 2: kind of his thing. So he does a lot of
Speaker 2: nutrition stuff and a lot of others. And one of
Speaker 2: the things that I really realized after watching a few
Speaker 2: of them, and it took a few because he always says,
Speaker 2: here's a study, and you look at this, and studies
Speaker 2: legitimate on a certain micro nutrient that makes like some
Speaker 2: kind of difference in something, right, And then I realized,
Speaker 2: like every single one of his things was sponsored by
Speaker 2: whoever made that particular supplement, and at some point, if
Speaker 2: you followed him for a period of time and took
Speaker 2: all of his supplements, it would probably cost you four
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a month, and god knows it would be
Speaker 2: doing you any good. So that's the other thing too,
Speaker 2: is people promoting products, promoting certain methods, promote prowning certain equipment.
Speaker 2: And then it's also what are their goals? Like what
Speaker 2: are their goals and what are your goals? And are
Speaker 2: they a match? Yes? Because also just something to think.
Speaker 1: About, Well, twenty years ago, thirty years ago, whatever it
Speaker 1: was when people started doing a little bit more of
Speaker 1: this influencer culture we're talking, we're talking at the beginning
Speaker 1: of like MySpace and Facebook and all of that sort
Speaker 1: of thing. People wanted to get known and they would
Speaker 1: start outing something like their system or let's say the
Speaker 1: infomercial that was really popular, you know, Susan Powder Billy blanks,
Speaker 1: all of these type of things. And some of those
Speaker 1: things were fine, some of them were fine, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them were bs. But you always have to
Speaker 1: ask yourself, why are they doing this? For the most part,
Speaker 1: it's a financial gain. Yeah, And when it comes down
Speaker 1: to financial gain, that's one of those things that always
Speaker 1: makes me a little leery. I remember who was it.
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name right now, not doctor Phil,
Speaker 1: but the other one that was on TV. That's the
Speaker 1: guy he was touting all of these supplements that were
Speaker 1: such bs. Now, I'm gonna say this, in working in
Speaker 1: radio and a little bit of television, but mostly radio
Speaker 1: for a number of years, it's hard to fill the
Speaker 1: hours you're doing a weekly show. It's hard to fill
Speaker 1: the hours. I get it totally, yes, absolutely, But to
Speaker 1: be saying you need to go out and buy this elderberry,
Speaker 1: you know cream, because it's going to make all the
Speaker 1: wrinkles on your butt go away, Okay, And then they
Speaker 1: start saying, here's all this documented proof, and here's the
Speaker 1: inventor of this, and here's this, And all I'm thinking is, really,
Speaker 1: is this what it's come down to, This is snake oil.
Speaker 1: That's all it really was. And then it was proven
Speaker 1: that he was getting kickbacks or whatnot, you know, sponsorship
Speaker 1: deals from all these different companies. When there's a financial
Speaker 1: gained this to all of this, you have to really
Speaker 1: watch out. Yeah, you know. I it's one of those
Speaker 1: things that you see and I've seen a lot of podcasters.
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of influencers who will have sponsored
Speaker 1: things and at least now they will say us sponsorship
Speaker 1: somewhere in the on the screen.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they don't. There's they're supposed to. I mean they
Speaker 2: always do, because I've seen sometimes when they clearly didn't.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're supposed to say, like I am sponsored
Speaker 2: by so and so, which always is like red flag
Speaker 2: for me. Just and maybe that's fine and maybe totally
Speaker 2: legitimate and they're sponsored by them because they actually use
Speaker 2: that product and like it. But it's also just like okay,
Speaker 2: no know where the money is? Oh yeah, because podcasters
Speaker 2: and and and YouTube people particularly, they get all their
Speaker 2: money from sponsorships or from Patreon or from something like that, right,
Speaker 2: but a lot of it's from sponsorships. So they're directly
Speaker 2: dependent on that, you know, different than even uh commercial
Speaker 2: television or whatever, where you know, the actors are paid
Speaker 2: to be they're doing that thing, right, they're not and
Speaker 2: and yes, advertising pays for a lot of that, but indirectly.
Speaker 2: If these guys are directly paid by the advertisers to
Speaker 2: do their job, and that's that's just an important thing
Speaker 2: to think about always, is where's the money.
Speaker 1: I can say, I can let you know. And I
Speaker 1: haven't even told you about this very much, but I'll
Speaker 1: let everyone who's listening no little backstory of what's going
Speaker 1: on in the podcasting world. We don't have the most
Speaker 1: largest following in the world. We're movement professionals. We have
Speaker 1: a small niche. But I can't tell you how many
Speaker 1: emails I get per week asking us to be brand
Speaker 1: ambassadors for lines of clothing, for this, for that, all
Speaker 1: sorts of things, and saying we would love to have
Speaker 1: you represent our line. I just delete them all because,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's crap. The first couple, I'll be honest,
Speaker 1: the first time someone said they want to sponsor, Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: all right, this might be cool. I'm getting somewhere, getting
Speaker 1: somewhere alright, and I, you know, click on something, and
Speaker 1: I thought, oh my no, I really don't think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look good in booty shorts. I just don't think
Speaker 1: that's gonna look good on my body. Sorry to say,
Speaker 1: I'm beyond the booty short era saying me, you know
Speaker 1: you knew you in life, but I know for me,
Speaker 1: that's not probably the look I'm going to go for
Speaker 1: when I'm at the gym and I laugh at some
Speaker 1: of these things, I'm like, wow, Okay, they really are
Speaker 1: just hitting hitting everybody. They don't care who they're asking.
Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of these are doing. And
Speaker 1: let's face it, if that's your income, if that's the
Speaker 1: only way you're making money, you're going to take a
Speaker 1: lot of those deals and you're going to start touting
Speaker 1: things you don't necessarily believe in. And I think you
Speaker 1: and I said a long time ago, nope, that's we
Speaker 1: have no interest in that. That's not what we do.
Speaker 1: We have our beliefs, and a lot of podcasters do
Speaker 1: and some influencers do. But I think once you start
Speaker 1: getting money involved, I think decisions are made differently. And
Speaker 1: I can tell you a story about this. It happened
Speaker 1: to me. Okay, I worked for a gym and I
Speaker 1: was doing nutritional consulting. Okay, was I going a little
Speaker 1: outside of my scope for practice, probably my degrees in casiology.
Speaker 1: But I did a ton of nutritional research as a
Speaker 1: minor and whatnot, so I understood it. And one of
Speaker 1: the things was we needed to sell supplements. And at
Speaker 1: first it was like, okay, I just wanted to sort
Speaker 1: of make my minimum quota. I was only I was
Speaker 1: giving only the basics, just the basics that would make
Speaker 1: my boss happy, so that no one would yell at me. Okay,
Speaker 1: like a vitamin, multi vitamin. Okay, everybody can use a
Speaker 1: multi vitamin for the most part. Okay, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: hurt you. But I got promoted, I got sent to
Speaker 1: a different gym where I was the only person doing this.
Speaker 1: So I got ten percent of all sales of supplements,
Speaker 1: and within six or eight weeks, I realized my numbers
Speaker 1: were going up and I was making suggestions that I
Speaker 1: probably never would have made before. Now this is twenty
Speaker 1: years ago, thirty years ago, whatever it was. I mean,
Speaker 1: this was back in I mean new it was in
Speaker 1: the nineteen hundreds. It was a long time ago. So
Speaker 1: but it's because I was seeing a substantial increase. Thousands
Speaker 1: of dollars a month was coming into my pocket, and
Speaker 1: as a college student, I was like, Wow, this is
Speaker 1: awesome until I made some suggestions. This is when a
Speaker 1: Fedra Mahong all of these, you know, things for metabolic
Speaker 1: enhancement were very popular. I made a suggestion to someone
Speaker 1: who had some medical conditions that I didn't know about,
Speaker 1: and she ended up being taken to the hospital. Now
Speaker 1: she took too much. I said, you know, follow the instructions.
Speaker 1: Only you know it says take one in the morning,
Speaker 1: one in the afternoon. That's it, okay, all this she
Speaker 1: wanted to lose weight faster, so she doubled the dose.
Speaker 1: She called me from her she worked at ad bank.
Speaker 1: She said, I'm lying on the floor and my heart
Speaker 1: rates one hundred and fifty. I said, you better get
Speaker 1: in now. I said, ambulance. Now, don't be called calling me.
Speaker 1: Call an ambulance exactly. And that was my wake up call.
Speaker 1: And that moment I realized, oh my gosh, Now was
Speaker 1: it considered safe to take because it was a supplement. Sure,
Speaker 1: I did not know her medical backstory. She never mentioned
Speaker 1: any of that to me. I had no idea, but
Speaker 1: I still took responsibility. I made sure she was doing okay,
Speaker 1: and I apologized profusely. I probably. I'm sure the gym
Speaker 1: I was working for wish I hadn't, And she never
Speaker 1: held me responsible. She said, yeah, I was just taking
Speaker 1: too much. I was just taking more than I should
Speaker 1: because I read it in a magazine and you know,
Speaker 1: I had it anyway, so I was taking And I
Speaker 1: said yeah. But after that, I really changed my ways
Speaker 1: and I didn't stay with that job for very much
Speaker 1: longer because I was made and it made me uncomfortable
Speaker 1: for the decisions I made. And over the years, I've
Speaker 1: had a number of people come to me and say,
Speaker 1: why don't you sell supplements in your gym? I say,
Speaker 1: because as soon as the dollars become involved and I'm
Speaker 1: making money on it, I'm going to probably make some
Speaker 1: suggestions based on that unconsciously that will make me lose
Speaker 1: lose faith in myself and lose some respect. So if
Speaker 1: I like something, I'll say, you can order it through here,
Speaker 1: you can order it on Amazon. You can do that. Said,
Speaker 1: I don't need to sell it because I don't like
Speaker 1: the way that makes me feel.
Speaker 2: That is such a good story, Brian. With all the
Speaker 2: things that we're talking about, what's the reward? How do
Speaker 2: you do it, How do you manage that? How do
Speaker 2: you know, how do you personally and me personally stay
Speaker 2: clean with what we're offering to people, making sure we
Speaker 2: stay on one side of the line, which is really
Speaker 2: keeping their best interests at heart. Yeah, they pass money,
Speaker 2: that's good, they should, That's an important thing. But for
Speaker 2: the skill that we have making sure that we're giving
Speaker 2: them good value for what we're doing, and that we're
Speaker 2: not necessarily motivated by that right selling them something because
Speaker 2: we know we're going to get a good kickback off
Speaker 2: of it, even if it's not necessarily well, you know,
Speaker 2: they could probably use that, it's probably not going to
Speaker 2: do many harm. I'm going to just picture the thinking
Speaker 2: that can go on in your head. Or and it's
Speaker 2: sixty bucks a bottle, and that means I'm going to
Speaker 2: get six dollars and I do that with every client
Speaker 2: I'm seeing this week, and you know, I've got enough
Speaker 2: money to pay for gas or whatever. It is. Right,
Speaker 2: that thinking is so insidious, and you see that all
Speaker 2: over podcasting and YouTube for sure. That's that's where a
Speaker 2: lot of that is driven.
Speaker 1: By absolutely absolutely, and that's why it's always just made
Speaker 1: me uncomfortable I see too many podcasters do that, and
Speaker 1: I see too many influencers and YouTubers and things like that. Now,
Speaker 1: if I have something that i'm selling of my own
Speaker 1: that I believe in, there's a couple of I'm sure
Speaker 1: all of you know woodworking, and I love music stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'll be watching someone who you know is a
Speaker 1: guitar teacher and he'll have a guitar book talking about, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, train your ear better to listen. Okay, he
Speaker 1: believes in this, and it's helped him and his students,
Speaker 1: and it's usually for a decent price. So I'm like, good,
Speaker 1: he wrote it. Great, I have a book. I'd have
Speaker 1: no problem selling my stuff because I believe in it.
Speaker 1: Because I wrote it, I believe in it, and if
Speaker 1: I didn't, then I shouldn't have written it in the
Speaker 1: first place. But when it does get sticky, when you
Speaker 1: are representing another company that you don't know, you don't
Speaker 1: know all the research behind it necessarily, and if money
Speaker 1: is the only reason you're doing it, I think that's
Speaker 1: where we really get sticky.
Speaker 2: Agreed, Agreed. Huh. So, giving this conversation has really been
Speaker 2: wide ranging, I have to say kind of like like
Speaker 2: bring it and bring it a little bit somewhere. And
Speaker 2: where I want to bring it into is if you're
Speaker 2: listening to this from a number of different perspectives. So,
Speaker 2: first of all, if you are a client or an
Speaker 2: instructor and you're looking at influencers, because we all do,
Speaker 2: whether it's on Instagram, talk or TikTok or whatever it is, YouTube,
Speaker 2: whatever you got, and even us for that matter, honestly
Speaker 2: as podcasters, you know, just looking with a critical eye,
Speaker 2: really finding those that speak to you, being aware of
Speaker 2: your view worldview biases a bit and what those are,
Speaker 2: and just you know, knowing that those you're going to
Speaker 2: bring those with you to those experiences. And if you're
Speaker 2: interested in becoming an influencer or being a presenter or
Speaker 2: doing that, I'm going to be very old fashion here
Speaker 2: and I'm going to say do the work, yes, And
Speaker 2: what i mean by that is educate yourself as best
Speaker 2: you can. Learn everything you can, take courses from people
Speaker 2: you admire and respect to have you know your in
Speaker 2: the field, and then really work with clients. If you're
Speaker 2: working with clients twenty thirty hours a week for years
Speaker 2: after years after years, and you're paying attention, and those
Speaker 2: are not always happening, and you're paying attention, you'll learn something.
Speaker 2: You'll learn something from every single person that goes by.
Speaker 2: And that's for me, certainly, what has fed my passion
Speaker 2: and my interests is just observing people over time, over time,
Speaker 2: over time, seeing what works, seeing what doesn't, seeing all
Speaker 2: the weird little things that go into making somebody better
Speaker 2: or not, and then honing your skills of how do
Speaker 2: I then communicate that, how do I communicate it to clients,
Speaker 2: how do I communicate it to other teachers, and then
Speaker 2: how do I communicate it to an audience if I'm
Speaker 2: doing a podcast, or I'm presenting, or I'm a YouTuber
Speaker 2: or I'm at a conference, And those are all really
Speaker 2: important skills. You know, arn, learn the stuff, practice the stuff,
Speaker 2: and then practice how you articulate the stuff to put
Speaker 2: it in like a pretty simple simple formula, and then practice,
Speaker 2: you know, then practice like I don't know how many
Speaker 2: at one time. At one point, at one point, it
Speaker 2: was just trying to figure out how many courses I'd taught,
Speaker 2: and I think at this point I was just looking
Speaker 2: at anatomy in three D classes that I taught im
Speaker 2: and to add them all up because I'm a Jingham
Speaker 2: for I don't know, I'm fifteen years something. It was
Speaker 2: like seventy classes, Like I've taught this course seventy times
Speaker 2: or something like. That's ridiculous. And that was only one
Speaker 2: of the many, many, many classes that I've taught over
Speaker 2: the many years. And that also came to me when
Speaker 2: I was when I work with new presenters, because they
Speaker 2: think that they have those skills automatically, they think they
Speaker 2: have your skills, they think they have my skills because
Speaker 2: they do everybody projects onto whoever they're looking at. Oh
Speaker 2: that I could do that, Maybe you can, but you
Speaker 2: got to try, you got to work it, you got
Speaker 2: to practice, and then you've got to be self cryptical, right,
Speaker 2: and then over time you get better, hopefully if you
Speaker 2: continue doing it and you understand how to be more
Speaker 2: effective and you take feedback and you move forward. But
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, it just it's a skill building,
Speaker 2: long term process to get good at anything, but to
Speaker 2: get good at those kinds of things, really understanding what
Speaker 2: you have to say and saying well, that takes time
Speaker 2: and practice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're talking about that a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: There are some teachers out there who understand the information,
Speaker 1: know it like the back of their hand, but they're
Speaker 1: not very good teachers. They're good regurgitators, but they're not
Speaker 1: really good teachers. I say, there's more to it than
Speaker 1: just talking the words. There's something, there's an entertainment value.
Speaker 1: There has to be something that gets people to listen
Speaker 1: to you, to draw them in. How you use your voice,
Speaker 1: how you use your body, how you use everything doing
Speaker 1: years of You and I both did years of things
Speaker 1: like acting. You did dance, I did stand up comedy,
Speaker 1: did radio and television. There's something to be said about
Speaker 1: having those skills as well when you go into other things.
Speaker 1: Because we can, we can tap from those and make
Speaker 1: it a lot more fun for the people who are
Speaker 1: listening to us. We can feel a room and know
Speaker 1: when it's dying down. We know how to dial it
Speaker 1: up and turn our volume up without turning our volume up,
Speaker 1: how to amplify ourselves. All of these are skills that
Speaker 1: you build in time. And it's not just saying the
Speaker 1: words on a paper. You can listen to ten people
Speaker 1: give the same speech and only one of them really hits.
Speaker 1: Everyone else is just sort of going through the motions,
Speaker 1: and it's a real skill that takes time to build.
Speaker 1: Something that I'm going to remind people about influencer culture
Speaker 1: is when you see something, ask yourself a couple of questions.
Speaker 1: Number One, if they're saying this, you have to do this,
Speaker 1: you have to do this, this is does it make sense? Simple?
Speaker 1: Does this ring true in your heart? Because there have
Speaker 1: been many times I've sat in classrooms when I'm watching
Speaker 1: someone else talk and they're entertaining, they're a good speaker,
Speaker 1: they've got the skills to talk, but what they're saying
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. My brain is just thinking there's something
Speaker 1: missing here. And I'm not saying they all screw loose.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it doesn't make sense from my perspective,
Speaker 1: a movement point of view, kneasy, a logic, anatomics, something's
Speaker 1: not making sense. And sometimes what that makes me do
Speaker 1: is see two or three of their classes and think, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm the one missing something, Maybe I'm the one
Speaker 1: who's not smart enough, or I can't hear what they're
Speaker 1: trying to say yet. And I'd say that's only happened
Speaker 1: once that I took a bunch of courses and finally
Speaker 1: it hit and I went oh there's something to this,
Speaker 1: all right, I wasn't ready to hear it at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Ninety Nine percent of the time i'd say, if it's
Speaker 1: not ringing true it's there, it's probably not true and
Speaker 1: there's something missing. So I'm gonna say that, ask yourself,
Speaker 1: does it make sense? And number two is does it
Speaker 1: look safe? Yeah, when you see someone doing Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you see someone doing something. Just because you can do
Speaker 1: it at age twenty five doesn't mean that I can
Speaker 1: do at age fifty five, or that she can do
Speaker 1: it at age seventy five, or he can do it
Speaker 1: at age forty five or whatever it is. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean it's safe for everybody. And you have to really
Speaker 1: ask yourself does it look safe for the person that
Speaker 1: I'm working with, because I think we've all hurt people
Speaker 1: in our careers, you know, especially when we were baby
Speaker 1: trainers baby pilate's instructors. We probably did things that we
Speaker 1: were like, well, I probably shouldn't have done that, but
Speaker 1: we learned it was many many, many years ago. But
Speaker 1: if it doesn't look safe, there's probably a reason that
Speaker 1: something inside of you is like, maybe I shouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing that. So sometimes I think you got to listen
Speaker 1: to your gut on all of these.
Speaker 2: I also to add one little piece on that, which
Speaker 2: is in plates specifically, there are people using the equipment
Speaker 2: in ways that are not safe for the equipment. It's
Speaker 2: just not designed to hold weight in that way. It's
Speaker 2: not designed to be moved in that particular fashion. Resistance
Speaker 2: is coming from a funny angle. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: that happening out there with people just not understanding physics,
Speaker 2: mechanics and how things work and don't work. So that's
Speaker 2: another thing too, is there's the physical safety of the person.
Speaker 2: Is also is that going to break something? Is that yes,
Speaker 2: designed for that particular weird move that's happening right now.
Speaker 2: So those are another way of another opportunity for safety
Speaker 2: is just being aware of what the machine can and
Speaker 2: can't and should and shouldn't do.
Speaker 1: I remember when I first got I think I first
Speaker 1: I got a Cadillac sorry trap table and one of
Speaker 1: the spring, the yellow spring. I was thinking, huh, I
Speaker 1: wonder if I can do this move? And it was
Speaker 1: sort of a chopping motion. And let's just say I
Speaker 1: put that spring to a range of motion that it
Speaker 1: was not designed to do. I tried to make it
Speaker 1: a cable, and at the end of it, it became
Speaker 1: a cable because it stretched all the way. I mean
Speaker 1: it literally stretched out to the point that it was
Speaker 1: no longer like a spring anymore. It was twice as
Speaker 1: long as when I first saw it. I said, oops,
Speaker 1: I guess that's not supposed to do that. But again, you.
Speaker 2: Do it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a strong enough person, I guess. And
Speaker 1: it was a yellow, it was a light. It was
Speaker 1: a light guy. But I mean it was one of
Speaker 1: those things that I was like, huh, I wonder if
Speaker 1: I can do this, And I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: guess not. So you're absolutely right. Some things are not
Speaker 1: meant for that. Find another piece of equipment. You don't
Speaker 1: have to make everything work on every piece of equipment.
Speaker 1: So I made that mistake in my life. I'll be
Speaker 1: the first to admit it.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Well we have we have. We have wandered
Speaker 2: here and there, we have talked about it, We've talked
Speaker 2: about being an influencer, some cautionary tales, things to be
Speaker 2: aware of. You know, hopefully this has been enlightening in
Speaker 2: some ways, or interesting in some ways, or maybe even
Speaker 2: inspiring in some ways. If you guys really want to
Speaker 2: move up in your career and become somebody who's got
Speaker 2: a little more influence in the world. We wish you
Speaker 2: good luck on that, and you know, reach out to
Speaker 2: us if you want any help or advice on that.
Speaker 2: I think we've got plenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, the best way to do that is through
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Speaker 1: It's the easiest way to get in touch with us.
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Speaker 2: Bye, guys,