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<v Speaker 1>It's West Tigers Podcast. Unfortunately you guessed it. It's another

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<v Speaker 1>post loss edition of the West Tigers Podcast after the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight to ten surrender to Manly drop fell on

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night. And Steve is here, and Eddie is here,

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<v Speaker 1>and Gary is here. Gentlemen, I've got one, two, three, four, five,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got seven one words, so I've splurged a.

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<v Speaker 2>Bit on one words. Gary. Have you been able to

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<v Speaker 2>keep it to one? Have you got more than one?

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<v Speaker 3>I actually found it really hard to find a one

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<v Speaker 3>word this week because how do you describe that performance?

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<v Speaker 3>There's so many words that can describe such an inapt display,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just going to stick with in apt. It

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<v Speaker 3>was a horrible game on Friday night and it showed

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<v Speaker 3>our performance was just in apt for an NRL team.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve's dressed in red and black. It kind of looks

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit like the Perth Bears colors. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>we're not losing you to the WA team.

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<v Speaker 4>Steve Well, I've considered it carefully, but not at this stage.

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<v Speaker 4>Perth might be a bad option then. So my one

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<v Speaker 4>word is, well, it's a phrase. It's a phrase. Chiles

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<v Speaker 4>ten to fifteen percent, and it just seems to me

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<v Speaker 4>that we play ten to fifteen percent worse than whoever

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<v Speaker 4>we're playing. So we play the Raiders and they turn

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<v Speaker 4>up and we played ten to fifteen percent worse than

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<v Speaker 4>they do and just don't get away with the points.

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<v Speaker 4>Then we play Manly, who are there for the taking,

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<v Speaker 4>who were absolutely horrible, and we played ten to fifteen

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<v Speaker 4>percent worse than them. So that best sums up our season.

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<v Speaker 3>I Reckon and Steve. I think Manly only played at

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<v Speaker 3>ten percent themselves, so I guess that puts us at

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<v Speaker 3>negaty five percent.

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<v Speaker 4>That's one hundred percent, right, Eddie, which would be eighty

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<v Speaker 4>five percent if you take the fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Off, Eddie, how are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 5>Not very good? Jobs? The boys have got sensible one

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<v Speaker 5>words mine not very sensible. You know. I went outside

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<v Speaker 5>this morning, jol and it was a bit slippy and

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<v Speaker 5>I fell over, actually so just outside the front door.

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<v Speaker 5>So I went online and I went to a place

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<v Speaker 5>called Sydney Doormats, and I thought, I need a new doormat,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm going to get an orange and black one

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<v Speaker 5>to call it West Tigers, because that's what we are.

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<v Speaker 5>We are a walkover as a club on and off

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<v Speaker 5>the field. And I'll get into some of my rants later.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the topic that sort of sums that

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<v Speaker 1>up has something to do with talent the silver and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about talent in a moment, because my seventh

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<v Speaker 1>one word does lead us into a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>discussion about that. So I've got talk and sometimes it

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<v Speaker 1>comes up on the forums, and our fellow West Tigers

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<v Speaker 1>fans say to me, you know, they are sick of

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<v Speaker 1>hearing all of the talk. If you remember last week,

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<v Speaker 1>there were the press conferences, the media opportunities where players

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<v Speaker 1>stood up there and they spoke about this and spoke

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<v Speaker 1>about that, and it just all becomes talk and they

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<v Speaker 1>don't follow through on it. The other thing I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to say is I'm a little bit over the excuses.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the time. There is always an excuse you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the referees, it's the weather, it's the it's the.

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<v Speaker 1>This, it's that, there's always an excuse, and that that

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<v Speaker 1>only runs so far as far as I'm concerned, I

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<v Speaker 1>think there was a certain amount of complacency in that

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<v Speaker 1>in the way the West Tigers approached that game, albeit

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<v Speaker 1>obviously missing some really key players, but I think they

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<v Speaker 1>thought that they just had to turn up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they looked at that manly lineup, they looked at.

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<v Speaker 1>That manly forward pack and went, we got this, and

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<v Speaker 1>they went out there with that attitude, which of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Leads into arrogance.

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<v Speaker 1>There is I don't know, there does seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of arrogant sometimes. I have, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>got physicality and collision. You can't win if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>win the collision momentum as well. We just struggle to

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<v Speaker 1>get any momentum in games. But my number one word

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<v Speaker 1>for the week is natives. And it may not be

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<v Speaker 1>the most politically correct term to use, but the natives

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<v Speaker 1>are restless. I haven't seen the West Tigers fan base

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<v Speaker 1>so upset in a while, and it seems to me, Eddie, I'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Flick it back to you first.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems to me that the talented Silver situation seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be the tipping point. It just seems to have

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<v Speaker 1>pushed you know, the Galvin stuff. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things we didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, but people are really unhappy at the.

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<v Speaker 5>Moment, all rightly. So, I mean I went on for

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<v Speaker 5>about twenty minutes last week pushing back not necessarily on

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<v Speaker 5>Gary's points, but just asking a lot of questions around

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<v Speaker 5>this talent of Silver thing and whether you rate him

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<v Speaker 5>as a better player Appy or not. Is I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's a separate discussion. It's the wider discussion of we're

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<v Speaker 5>just giving up on another season. You know, we let

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<v Speaker 5>our other elite junior go eight weeks ago in Lackland Galvin.

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<v Speaker 5>So like, if you're get to run dual narratives Benji

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<v Speaker 5>and Richo, just be careful because you know, Benji even

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<v Speaker 5>said in his press conference, we're still in the top

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<v Speaker 5>eight race. No we're not. We're not because we're giving

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<v Speaker 5>up good players halfway through a season and we're getting

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<v Speaker 5>nothing in return. Or maybe we're getting a small transfer fee.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know what, Richo, fans don't give a stuff

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<v Speaker 5>about winning a little bit of money on the side.

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<v Speaker 5>They want to win games.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we thought this season was going to be

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<v Speaker 5>at least competitive for the top eight until the end.

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<v Speaker 5>But we've we've just thrown a white flag on this.

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<v Speaker 5>And I know Happy, I understand them backing Happy over talent.

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<v Speaker 5>I do not understand at all him letting him go

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<v Speaker 5>to Paramounta this week and lo and behold. You know

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<v Speaker 5>I spoke about on Wednesday in the midwek pot I said, well,

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<v Speaker 5>what's their grand plan if Appy gets injured? Well they

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<v Speaker 5>got their just deserts and Happy got eleven days for

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<v Speaker 5>a concussion. I hope he's okay, but Reserve Greater will

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<v Speaker 5>start this week. So well done everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I can't disagree with any of that, Eddie. For me,

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<v Speaker 3>I've got no problem with the club deciding to let

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<v Speaker 3>telln leave. I've got no issue with that whatsoever. But

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<v Speaker 3>that happens in November. That doesn't happen now. And and

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<v Speaker 3>we're at the point again, we're three quarters the way

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<v Speaker 3>through the season and the end of this season's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be horrible. Now. I'm not going to sit here

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<v Speaker 3>and say we're going to get the wooden spoon, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's not going to be a fun end of the season.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to have some awful losses next weekend with

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<v Speaker 3>the side that we're going to have to field next weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>And I gave Eddie a hard time for saying this

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<v Speaker 3>when we played Melbourne. What's the point like the side

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to field next week is not reserve grade

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<v Speaker 3>standard and we're just lucky that Laurie Daily is a

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<v Speaker 3>fool because if he had have taken Terrell May into

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<v Speaker 3>that New South Wales so I'd like he should have

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<v Speaker 3>done tonight, would be in an even worse position. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm okay with the club deciding telling the Silver is

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<v Speaker 3>not the future. I'm not okay with letting him go tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 3>especially after what happened on Friday night, especially with what

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<v Speaker 3>we've got coming up next weekend, because Eddie's right, it's

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<v Speaker 3>giving up on the season. It's saying we don't I

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<v Speaker 3>think we can do anything in this season now, So

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to give up a player who can contribute

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<v Speaker 3>to us between now and the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not like we're under salary cap pressure. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not like we need the money, it's not like we

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<v Speaker 3>need the roster spot. We've let three players go during

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<v Speaker 3>this season and had no players coming in. That's three

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<v Speaker 3>players in David Klemmer in, a Lucky Galvin and now

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<v Speaker 3>Talent to Silver. We've let go and it's just waking

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<v Speaker 3>to askuad to the point where I think we've got

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<v Speaker 3>about nineteen players we can choose from the next weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the question has to be asked, when does

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<v Speaker 4>the line get joining the sand? You know, love, We

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<v Speaker 4>get asked to stay positive, we get asked to be

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<v Speaker 4>in the crocodile role, We get told that, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>true supporters don't walk away. True supporters support the club

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<v Speaker 4>and support every player, and I think the vast majority

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<v Speaker 4>of us try to do that as much as we

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<v Speaker 4>possibly can. But I'm going to tell you you've Any

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<v Speaker 4>and Garry, you've both mentioned that the season's over, and

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<v Speaker 4>I agree the season is now now over. We've lost

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<v Speaker 4>two of the best Jews. I remember having a conversation

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<v Speaker 4>or we all had a conversation with Tim Sheen's a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of years ago where he was talking about telling

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<v Speaker 4>the Silver you know, being the next greatest could become

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<v Speaker 4>the greatest player in the game. We had these juniors

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<v Speaker 4>coming through. Two of them are now gone, two of

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<v Speaker 4>the brightest stars are gone and for the fourth n

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<v Speaker 4>a row, I think where hit June and the season

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<v Speaker 4>is dead. Now. I don't know about you guys, but

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<v Speaker 4>I've paid for my membership right through to the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the season and there's still I don't know half

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<v Speaker 4>a dozen home games that I'm going to attend and

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<v Speaker 4>cheer for a team because I want to see a

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<v Speaker 4>team succeed and win, and I want to see a

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<v Speaker 4>team make the eight. And quite frankly, I'm fed up.

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<v Speaker 4>We've been told to wait to a next season. We're

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<v Speaker 4>getting halfway through US season and saying it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>happen next season, because I got news for you, It

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't bloody happen. But we got told next season is

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<v Speaker 4>the one, and then next season comes around and come

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<v Speaker 4>June we piss it up against the wall again again,

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<v Speaker 4>and now we're going to wait for next year. What

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<v Speaker 4>will the excuse be next year? And will with an

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<v Speaker 4>ex bloke to walk out the door because he doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>want to be part of the rebuild or the crocodile

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<v Speaker 4>roll or whatever you want to call it.

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<v Speaker 3>And Steve, sorry, mate, keep going now, you're right in

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<v Speaker 3>saying we get that message at true supporter support the club.

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<v Speaker 3>We are true supporters and we support the club. We're

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<v Speaker 3>still supporting the club. Now, we're all giving up our

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<v Speaker 3>Sunday night to sit here and have this conversation. There's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be many people who give up part of

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<v Speaker 3>their day tomorrow to listen to this podcast. Despite what

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<v Speaker 3>the side dished up on Friday night. These people are

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<v Speaker 3>all true supporters of the club. But it's time the

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<v Speaker 3>club supports us. It's time the club supports the fan

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<v Speaker 3>base and gives them a side that's going to compete

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<v Speaker 3>throughout the entire season, not get to this point in

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<v Speaker 3>the season and just meekly surrender. Because that's what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 3>We're meekly surrendering. And I think that's a really valid,

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<v Speaker 3>valid point about membership Steve. We've got the lowest memberships

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<v Speaker 3>in the competition. How do you sell memberships when year

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<v Speaker 3>after year you get to this point of the season

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<v Speaker 3>and the club makes a decision to pretty much tank

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the season to create some mythical war

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<v Speaker 3>chests for next season. Now, I am still positive. I

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<v Speaker 3>still think we're going in the right direction. I still

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<v Speaker 3>think as a club, next year is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>better than this season, but they're still like, what is

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<v Speaker 3>it ten rounds to go this season? Give us this

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<v Speaker 1>I think the club's to a degree loss control the

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<v Speaker 1>narrative as well. You know, as I said, the natives

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<v Speaker 1>are restless, and I think the club has lost control

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<v Speaker 1>of the narrative, which means that the damage and the

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<v Speaker 1>scar tissue that's under the surface is never too far

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<v Speaker 1>from the surface. With the fan base, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people that are really disillusioned, including

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<v Speaker 1>by the look of it NBWT on X and NBWT

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but West Tigers. Of course, they often have really

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<v Speaker 1>really good information from the club that most of us

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<v Speaker 1>don't have, Like they normally gazumpus on a lot of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but on X they posted My favorite part of the

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<v Speaker 1>silver stuff is Appy hasn't actually even signed an extension yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Not getting a single player back, even just for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of this year for two juniors under contract is

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<v Speaker 1>as bad as any football decision the club has made.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing i'd say of Frodi Gary, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Knights are on fourteen points as well. I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>them handing over Ky Paul, even though Kay peers Paul

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<v Speaker 1>is signed with us for next year. Like I don't understand,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm struggling to find the logic of letting players go

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<v Speaker 1>without getting anything in return. I just can't see what

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<v Speaker 1>the upside is.

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<v Speaker 3>On that Appy thing. There's no doubt that Appy signed,

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<v Speaker 3>there's no doubt that well, there shouldn't be any doubt

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<v Speaker 3>that they're not doing this if Appy is still unsigned

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<v Speaker 3>on the Kypeers, Paul one, the Knights should be the

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<v Speaker 3>club who is releasing someone because they're on a salary

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<v Speaker 3>cap pressure. They've got a guy coming in next season

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<v Speaker 3>who's on one point three million dollars that they couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>really afford. And if anyone was going to be releasing players,

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<v Speaker 3>it would be the Knights. And it's not the Knights,

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<v Speaker 3>it's us, who apparently have a war chess and apparently

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<v Speaker 3>have lots of roster's fades left, and we're the ones

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<v Speaker 4>So, Gary, you mentioned then that we're going in the

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<v Speaker 4>right direction, and I agree with that, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>most people, when they're in a reasonable frame of mind,

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<v Speaker 4>would agree with that. But I just have pulled some

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<v Speaker 4>stats out for that, and I'd like to say, when

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<v Speaker 4>I did all the research myself, but I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 4>actually saw it online. So last year at this stage

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<v Speaker 4>we'd won four lost eleven. This year we're five and ten.

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<v Speaker 4>We were seventeenth last year, we're fourteenth. This year. We've

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<v Speaker 4>got a differential of minus one hundred and thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 4>Last year we got a differential minus eighty four. This year,

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<v Speaker 4>so we are making progress. But for me, it feels

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<v Speaker 4>like we take three steps forward and then we take

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<v Speaker 4>two point nine steps back. Right, the growth is just

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<v Speaker 4>so slow, and is this incumbent by I think decisions

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<v Speaker 4>that have b like have been made today and it's

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<v Speaker 4>just not happening fast enough. The other thing I just

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<v Speaker 4>want to mention too, that really disappointed me about this

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<v Speaker 4>weekend's game, and that was the press conference by Benji.

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<v Speaker 4>And I like Benji, and I still think Benji's the

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<v Speaker 4>guy for the job. I don't necessarily think he's got

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<v Speaker 4>the right people around him, but I think he's the

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<v Speaker 4>guy to take the team forward. But he came out

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<v Speaker 4>and he praised Manly's efforts in the press conference. I

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<v Speaker 4>can't remember his exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>But he praised Dows as well.

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<v Speaker 4>But he said they were tough for him, said, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they were gritty, or something like that. Now, look, mate,

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<v Speaker 4>Manly were horrible. Manly were horrendous. The only thing is

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<v Speaker 4>we were ten percent worse than horrendous. Right now, just

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<v Speaker 4>compare that to Craig Bellamy and I know we're not Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 4>but surely that's what we aspire to be. Isn't that

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<v Speaker 4>what we're aspiring to get to. He demands excellence, he

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<v Speaker 4>demands perfection. They win games and he's as the dirts

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<v Speaker 4>and he can't say a positive thing about their performance

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<v Speaker 4>when they get the two points. We get beaten in

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<v Speaker 4>a rabble of a game that we should have won

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<v Speaker 4>by twenty points. And I know we had I know,

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<v Speaker 4>you know we had little open out and all that

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<v Speaker 4>sort of stuff, but that's just an excuse, right next

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<v Speaker 4>man up and Benji was proud of the effort and

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<v Speaker 4>was saying that we competed well against a team that

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<v Speaker 4>was tough. Mainly weren't tough. Anyone would have beaten man

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<v Speaker 4>last night, anyone, Joel.

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<v Speaker 5>I've got a game. We won't play it now and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not the host, but I've got a game for

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<v Speaker 5>you later. I only take a few minutes. It's about

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<v Speaker 5>Shane Richarton. But firstly, I will say now he is

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<v Speaker 5>a very intelligent, experienced operator, and I think I don't

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<v Speaker 5>want to speak for all the boys, but I think

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<v Speaker 5>we all think he's been one of the best things

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<v Speaker 5>to happen to this club and I hope sincerely that

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<v Speaker 5>he is here for the next few years. But like

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<v Speaker 5>the sad thing, all I can think of, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know what's going through his head. Is the sad thing

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<v Speaker 5>is that he feels with Galvin and the Silver that

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<v Speaker 5>we don't have maybe a good enough environment to control this.

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<v Speaker 5>Whereas you mentioned Ky Peers Paul at Newcastle, he's not

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<v Speaker 5>going anywhere in the middle of the season. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>Rusters have had players leaving next year and they're not

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<v Speaker 5>giving up two or three players in the middle of

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<v Speaker 5>the season. So I just think that's a sad indictment,

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that when there's potentially two local juniors want

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<v Speaker 5>to move on in eighteen months or one definitely wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to move on, that Richardson feels like as a club

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<v Speaker 5>we're not strong enough to withstand that noise and we're

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<v Speaker 5>just going to give them up straight away, like it

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<v Speaker 5>just doesn't happen elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>I can understand giving up tell under Silver at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the year, he's on five hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 3>plus next year. I can understand them move to letting

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<v Speaker 3>go the next season. You can't do it now. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no way you can make that decision now, And that,

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<v Speaker 3>for me is the issue.

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<v Speaker 5>Gary, Just why do you think. I know we can't

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<v Speaker 5>get inside his head, but there must be a logical

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<v Speaker 5>reason why he's doing it. Besides, you know, you just

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<v Speaker 5>think it's a money thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, like you and I had a conversation earlier about

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<v Speaker 3>our club being a doormat, and I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 3>our club being a doormat. I think there must be

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<v Speaker 3>a reason why they've made that decision there, and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>guessing it's got to do around culture. But we need

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<v Speaker 3>this guy. We need this guy at least for the

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<v Speaker 3>remainder of this season. Appy's had not These things can

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<v Speaker 3>stretch out past eleven days. He could be out for

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<v Speaker 3>the next two to three weeks. We knew that Lui

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<v Speaker 3>was likely to be playing Origin, so we wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 3>him next weekend. You and I actually discussed this and

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't as against releasing him at this point of

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<v Speaker 3>the season. On Wednesday night, when we discussed the Eddie,

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<v Speaker 3>but how Friday night went that changes your decision on it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't care if you've made arrangements with paramatter

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<v Speaker 3>for him to go now that wasn't signed off on

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<v Speaker 3>because he played for us on Friday night. There's no

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<v Speaker 3>way he plays for us on Friday night if it's

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<v Speaker 3>signed off on. What happened on Friday night makes a

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<v Speaker 3>big difference to me in the thinking around that. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why the club has still going through

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<v Speaker 3>with it. I wouldn't have still gone through with.

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<v Speaker 4>It Eddie to give you applausible explanation to your question

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<v Speaker 4>about you know, why is it happening? I think we're

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<v Speaker 4>just paying for the sins of the past, I really do,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. I think, as I've already said, we are

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<v Speaker 4>heading in the right direction, but it's not having quick enough.

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<v Speaker 4>And these guys want instant success. They want to be

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<v Speaker 4>holding the trophy this year or next year. It's as

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<v Speaker 4>simple as that. He can't see himself getting enough first

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<v Speaker 4>grade time at the club and so he doesn't think

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<v Speaker 4>the club is worth hanging around for him. Look at

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<v Speaker 4>young Wisha down up Melbourne, absolutely outstanding football who sits

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<v Speaker 4>behind Munster, you know, and he's happy to play at

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<v Speaker 4>fourteen and play his role at Melbourne. He's quite happy

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<v Speaker 4>because he knows he's going to get success, or he

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<v Speaker 4>believes he's going to get success and develop his game

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<v Speaker 4>at that club. These guys obviously still don't think that.

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<v Speaker 4>Despite the fact that we are improving, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that we've made positive steps, these guys obviously do not

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<v Speaker 4>think it's going to happen quick enough or well enough

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<v Speaker 4>to be worth staying as part of our club. I

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<v Speaker 4>said this last year, guys on the pot, I said

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<v Speaker 4>my biggest fear, right, my biggest fear was that all

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<v Speaker 4>this was going to blow up in our face because

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<v Speaker 4>these young guys coming through weren't going to stay and

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<v Speaker 4>weren't going to want to be part of the club.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you add Stefano to the mix, that's three

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<v Speaker 4>of them that have walked out the door since we

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<v Speaker 4>talked about that last year. And it continues for me

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<v Speaker 4>to be a major concern despite the improvements that seemingly

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<v Speaker 4>have been made.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not overly fussed on lou Galvin. I'm not only

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<v Speaker 1>fussed on losing Stefano. You know, plays like books like

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<v Speaker 1>Tarzan plays like Jane if you watch him every week,

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<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, I'm not not that fast about that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that fast about TDS. What I'm fussed about

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing that annoys me is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>the club is handling this. The way that the club

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<v Speaker 1>has again lost the narrative, has allowed the fan base

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<v Speaker 1>to get this upset and this angry without explaining what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on and taking us for the ride and doing

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<v Speaker 1>it in a sensible adult kind of way, which is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like, Okay, well, Talent's going to not be

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<v Speaker 1>here next year, but that's okay, because you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>need him this year. We want to be part of him,

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<v Speaker 1>to be part of the team, and we you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about it at the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>But it just seems that if you kick up enough stink,

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<v Speaker 1>we just roll over and get nothing in return. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, as I say, I'm not, I'm not really

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<v Speaker 1>that fussed about losing any player. I mean, there's some

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<v Speaker 1>generational players like Tedesco, which which will always hurt, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's more the way that the club appears to be

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<v Speaker 1>managed again that is sticking in my crawl.

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<v Speaker 2>Gary.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and what I'm going to say next isn't about

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<v Speaker 3>excusing the club either, But the NRL needs to fix

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<v Speaker 3>the system as well, because the system is broken when

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<v Speaker 3>you've got players. These players are agitating now because they're

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to negotiate in November for twenty twenty seven. That

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<v Speaker 3>system needs to be fixed. What it allows for is

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<v Speaker 3>for the poorer performing teams, the lower end teams be

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<v Speaker 3>pillaged and have players ripped out of them constantly because

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<v Speaker 3>players are looking to shore things up almost two years

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<v Speaker 3>before they're due to move clubs. That needs to be fixed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the excuse anything the club's done today. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no way they should have made that decision regardless of

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<v Speaker 3>the system in place. But that system needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>fixed as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not want to have a discussion about private ownership.

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<v Speaker 1>Please let's I go into a discussion about private ownership.

421
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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to share this post from Gareth Sales

422
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<v Speaker 1>on the West Tigers Fans for Life Facebook post page

423
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<v Speaker 1>because I think it just sort of sums up a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of how we're feeling. Gareth says, I've been a

425
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<v Speaker 1>fan since ninety two and honestly, this is as disheartening

426
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<v Speaker 1>as it's ever been in over thirty years, we've seen

427
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<v Speaker 1>less than ten finals games and I don't see that

428
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<v Speaker 1>changing under the current ownership model. The joint venture has failed.

429
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<v Speaker 1>There's no accountability, no clear football vision, and no sustained

430
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<v Speaker 1>planned for success. Other clubs have rebuilt. We just keep

431
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<v Speaker 1>repeating the same mistakes. It's not just about losses. It's

432
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<v Speaker 1>the culture, the leadership, and the complete lack of professionalism

433
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<v Speaker 1>in every area. We're constantly chasing our tail while other

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<v Speaker 1>clubs rise again. Now, Gareth does say the only way

435
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<v Speaker 1>forward is to find a serious investor. I don't really

436
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<v Speaker 1>want to go down that path, but he says until

437
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<v Speaker 1>it happens, it feels like we're doomed to keep suffering

438
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<v Speaker 1>year after year. Wooden Spoon after Wooden Spoon and Eddie.

439
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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you, two new clubs coming in,

440
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<v Speaker 1>at what point does it become untenable?

441
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<v Speaker 2>At what point does it.

442
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<v Speaker 1>The challenge become too big to turn this club around?

443
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<v Speaker 1>I mean we are most likely going to now be

444
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<v Speaker 1>finishing last or somewhere around the bottom of the table.

445
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<v Speaker 2>Again, the amount of damage.

446
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<v Speaker 1>That the brand has sustained for a long time, but

447
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<v Speaker 1>especially in the last five or six years, it just

448
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<v Speaker 1>seems like the mountain doesn't get smaller, it seems to

449
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<v Speaker 1>get bigger.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with the boys. There's been a lot. There's

451
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<v Speaker 5>been a lot of improvements this year, but it can

452
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<v Speaker 5>all spectacularly combust. That's the problem. I think that's we

453
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<v Speaker 5>see or we fear that, you know, Benji could gat

454
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<v Speaker 5>sack ben Liu. I activate this course and then it

455
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<v Speaker 5>just completely combusts and you're at the bottom for another

456
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<v Speaker 5>ten years. Like that's Murry and Ah. Like you mentioned,

457
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<v Speaker 5>he mentioned a lack of professionalism in every area. I

458
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<v Speaker 5>think we've said it a few times on the pod

459
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<v Speaker 5>this year that I think that it's getting to a point.

460
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<v Speaker 5>And Shane Richardson will never admit this because he's a

461
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<v Speaker 5>chess beater and he knows what he's doing and he's

462
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<v Speaker 5>a very successful operator. But I think this job is

463
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<v Speaker 5>a lot harder than he thought it was and him

464
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<v Speaker 5>and Benji Marshall are not enough manpower to turn this

465
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<v Speaker 5>club around. I've read various forums the past two days

466
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<v Speaker 5>and a lot of fans venting and just like us,

467
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<v Speaker 5>but you read things like other clubs have you know,

468
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<v Speaker 5>four or five people on their recruitment staff or whatever,

469
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<v Speaker 5>and you know, we've got Richo at the moment. He's

470
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<v Speaker 5>doing here, there and everywhere at the moment. So yeah,

471
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<v Speaker 5>I know it's a very easy podcast for us to

472
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<v Speaker 5>come on and vent, but I think the points we're

473
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<v Speaker 5>making are pretty salient. It is painful progress. I'm still

474
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<v Speaker 5>hopeful we can avoid that wooden spoon, which is what

475
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<v Speaker 5>I said at the start of Yeah. I set very

476
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<v Speaker 5>pretty low expectations. Combet some of you guys. I said,

477
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<v Speaker 5>if Benji can avoid the wooden spoon and finish fourteenth

478
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<v Speaker 5>and get eight or nine wins, it'll be okay. That's

479
00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:15.160
<v Speaker 5>still up for grabs. I know that's probably setting the

480
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<v Speaker 5>bar extremely low and people will say, oh, that's just mediocrity.

481
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<v Speaker 5>But the worry I think for all of us is

482
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<v Speaker 5>we can see it all combusting. You know, when these

483
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<v Speaker 5>things just lead to snowballing and snowballing down the road

484
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<v Speaker 5>and then the losses pile up. It's another season with

485
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<v Speaker 5>an eight game losing street coming up like that. That's

486
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<v Speaker 5>just really hard to swallow.

487
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<v Speaker 1>Steve, on that same sort of path, What's something I'd

488
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<v Speaker 1>like to sort of talk about for a moment, and

489
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<v Speaker 1>that is it's something that we've often spoken about, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That is attention to detail.

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<v Speaker 1>That it does harken back to what you're talking about

492
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<v Speaker 1>in regards to the Melbourne Storm, and everybody, every West

493
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<v Speaker 1>Tiger's fan should go back and watch the replay of

494
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<v Speaker 1>the game against Manly and count how many times passes

495
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<v Speaker 1>did not hit the mark, how many times passes were

496
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<v Speaker 1>up above someone's head or down around their knees, And

497
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<v Speaker 1>it just seems to be that close enough is good enough.

498
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<v Speaker 1>That just always seems to be the mentality, and it

499
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:16.960
<v Speaker 1>does make a difference. There's a couple of opportunities in

500
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.079
<v Speaker 1>that game, and we'll talk more about the game more specifically,

501
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:20.519
<v Speaker 1>but there's a couple of times in that game where

502
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<v Speaker 1>if the ball hits the right guy at the right time,

503
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:26.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe the result of that piece of play turns out differently.

504
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<v Speaker 1>So attention to detail, I mean, as you said, like

505
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Bellamy drives those standards, who is driving these standards because

506
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not seeing it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just say, firstly, Joel, you're right, because it did

508
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<v Speaker 4>happen in the game. When do we hit that pass

509
00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.880
<v Speaker 4>to see far through, run through the gap and scored untouched? Right?

510
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<v Speaker 4>So when it works, it works, and we've seen that

511
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<v Speaker 4>we've seen that when we get it right, we are

512
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<v Speaker 4>capable of getting it very right. Look, I've been saying

513
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<v Speaker 4>it for a long time, Joel, I don't know. That's

514
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<v Speaker 4>probably why you threw to me this attention to detail thing.

515
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<v Speaker 4>It gets under my skin. And what goes alongside that

516
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<v Speaker 4>is the acceptance of mediocrity and no stands of excellence.

517
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<v Speaker 4>And look, it's just to put it out there. It's

518
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<v Speaker 4>not just something that I come up with a makeup, right,

519
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<v Speaker 4>It's what I've done in my career for the last

520
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<v Speaker 4>twenty years, right, And so it's very dear to my heart.

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<v Speaker 4>That's something that I suppose I think I know a

522
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<v Speaker 4>little bit about. I don't know much about much, but

523
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 4>that's something I reckon I do know a little bit about,

524
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<v Speaker 4>and I just see it. I just see it so

525
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:39.480
<v Speaker 4>plainly that we don't do the work necessary to operate

526
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<v Speaker 4>at an excellent level, whether that be on the field

527
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:45.759
<v Speaker 4>or off the field. And I've seen that for a

528
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.319
<v Speaker 4>long time. And I don't want to be negative about

529
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 4>what's happening, because I do think it's getting better and

530
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.160
<v Speaker 4>I do think it's been addressed. I'll bee it very slowly,

531
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<v Speaker 4>and I can't comment about training methods and what happens

532
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.079
<v Speaker 4>on the training pradic because I've I've never played at

533
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 4>that level. I've never been involved in sport at that level.

534
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<v Speaker 4>But it just appears to me, as someone who has

535
00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:14.960
<v Speaker 4>spent a lifetime looking at improvement processes, structures and strategies,

536
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 4>that we do not put the effort in where we

537
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.559
<v Speaker 4>need to put the effort in to get to excellence.

538
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<v Speaker 4>And that's what you're talking about, Joe. That's the example,

539
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.240
<v Speaker 4>is you just gave the pass, it goes behind the shoulder,

540
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:31.759
<v Speaker 4>around the ankles. The clunkiness in the attack, the fact

541
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 4>that our like hen we tri scored down our edges

542
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:39.000
<v Speaker 4>left and right the other night. That's been happening for years.

543
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:42.200
<v Speaker 4>Why hasn't it been addressed? Why is it still a

544
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 4>perennial problem? We got another try scored office where someone

545
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.000
<v Speaker 4>came through and took the ball in the air office

546
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 4>and we didn't compete for the ball. How long has

547
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:57.920
<v Speaker 4>that been happening for? I don't profess to know, It's

548
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<v Speaker 4>just what I think from what I see that we

549
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.839
<v Speaker 4>just do not have a culture of excellence and no

550
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:07.519
<v Speaker 4>one drives those stands. Maybe we just don't know how

551
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:10.160
<v Speaker 4>we don't know what it looks like, but I don't know.

552
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<v Speaker 1>Well, Gary, you'd say that this level of the NRL

553
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>is elite, this is the elite level, this is where

554
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>this is the pinnacle. And I don't see an organization

555
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:24.960
<v Speaker 1>that is an elite organization. I don't see an organization

556
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>that consistently hits elite. Not everybody can, not all of

557
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>the time. But I feel like, you know, watching the

558
00:30:32.279 --> 00:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>other games this weekend, I feel like we're in so

559
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>many areas of our play in so many areas, and

560
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<v Speaker 1>albeit it's not just this game, it's right throughout this season.

561
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<v Speaker 1>It's scar tissue from the last few years, but we're

562
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>still a couple of runs down in so many ways.

563
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<v Speaker 1>We hope you're enjoying this edition of the West Tigers Podcast.

564
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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget if you agree or disagree. We'd love to

565
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<v Speaker 1>hear your comments and thoughts on the West Tigers Podcast Forum.

566
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<v Speaker 1>It's free to join and you can contribute directly to

567
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:04.559
<v Speaker 1>the podcast on the forum. Just head to West Tigers

568
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>podcast dot com dot au slash forum. We hope to

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<v Speaker 1>see you there soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're talking about the club, and I think

571
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 3>that professional side of the club is improving. I think

572
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Richo's doing a really good job there improving that. For me,

573
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.880
<v Speaker 3>I've spoken about all season on the field that it

574
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<v Speaker 3>looks to me that a lot of our sort of

575
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:36.839
<v Speaker 3>shape and block plays and set pieces that we just

576
00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 3>haven't practiced them enough. We haven't had that attention to dotel,

577
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.400
<v Speaker 3>We haven't had that level of excellence where you're just

578
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<v Speaker 3>repeating it training during the off season over and over

579
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<v Speaker 3>and over again until it becomes natural and players are

580
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.920
<v Speaker 3>in the right spot. And not only that, once you

581
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 3>get to that level where you can run that play

582
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.680
<v Speaker 3>over and over and over again on the field, variations

583
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:02.920
<v Speaker 3>come to it as well, where you see something else

584
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:05.720
<v Speaker 3>in the defense and everyone's able to adjust to that

585
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 3>and you can modify what you're doing based on what

586
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 3>you're seeing in front of you. We don't appear to

587
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 3>be able to do any of that. When we do

588
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 3>run shape, it looks like we're running plays exactly how

589
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.880
<v Speaker 3>we've run them, and we aren't able to adjust to

590
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:23.119
<v Speaker 3>what we're seeing in front of us and implement changes

591
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:26.160
<v Speaker 3>on the run because we don't have the foundation of

592
00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 3>that bass play down far and embedded enough. And that

593
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.160
<v Speaker 3>seems to be an issue on the field since the

594
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<v Speaker 3>start of the season that I think at times has

595
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:38.920
<v Speaker 3>improved through the season, But as soon as we lost

596
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<v Speaker 3>a couple of players leading into that game on Friday night,

597
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<v Speaker 3>the execution of those sort of players was back to

598
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<v Speaker 3>what we're seeing at the start of the season, and

599
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<v Speaker 3>it just wasn't good enough on Friday night.

600
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<v Speaker 2>Now, just not good enough.

601
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<v Speaker 1>You know, we started the season thin in some areas

602
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.839
<v Speaker 1>and we've let players go. We've lost players and we

603
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:03.079
<v Speaker 1>haven't replaced them, and that seems to be negligent to me.

604
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 1>I think it's negligent to see a season and off

605
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.160
<v Speaker 1>season that so much work was put in to let

606
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:13.599
<v Speaker 1>it slip away the way that it has. Professionalism. Yes, however,

607
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.759
<v Speaker 1>I was getting the members email every Tuesday with the

608
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>team lineup, and it's stopped. And no, it's not in

609
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:21.960
<v Speaker 1>my spam, it's not anywhere to be found. I'm not

610
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.799
<v Speaker 1>getting any members emails anymore.

611
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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, be that as it may.

612
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<v Speaker 1>Let's have a look at the one words from the

613
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:32.839
<v Speaker 1>West Tigers podcast forum, and obviously most of these in

614
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:34.400
<v Speaker 1>relation to the game against Manly.

615
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<v Speaker 2>Mike's word was depressing. The Richo meter was bad.

616
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<v Speaker 1>Now technically on the rich O Meter Mike Bad doesn't exist,

617
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<v Speaker 1>so I'm substituting it and saying paor so saying poor Cambra.

618
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>Tiger's word was clueless the whole club, from top to bottom.

619
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<v Speaker 2>I've written.

620
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think too long after the game, but probably

621
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of us that agree in a lot of ways. Tiger'sman,

622
00:33:56.519 --> 00:34:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Sheen's ball, everybody's out of position, and we still lose.

623
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<v Speaker 1>Tigertown SFS had a few regression spoon we're playing like

624
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<v Speaker 1>a spoon team. And roster terrible roster and also eace.

625
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<v Speaker 1>It's an interesting one word, but it was not the

626
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<v Speaker 1>opponent for this weekend. It's give our license to the

627
00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:22.280
<v Speaker 1>East Tigers LFC. Tiger's word was shambles both on and

628
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:26.159
<v Speaker 1>off the field. Davey Farrell broken the club and Benji

629
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.920
<v Speaker 1>they're both broken. Benji must walk. Our lack of attack

630
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 1>was embarrassing, Tiger tragic fifty six confused. That's our selections,

631
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:39.800
<v Speaker 1>our attack and our defense. Osmo seven is new to

632
00:34:39.920 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 1>the West Tigers podcast forum. Welcome, first time commenter, longtime sufferer,

633
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:49.559
<v Speaker 1>and Osmo's seven's word was lackluster, terrible performance, no energy,

634
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 1>no direction. Wagga Tiger's word was done. The club has

635
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>to be done with the way it operates, from team

636
00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:00.239
<v Speaker 1>selections to the development of junior's Everything the club is

637
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>doing needs to change. Plunder Monkey's one word was thin

638
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>margins with the team, squad depth, tactical insight, capacity to

639
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:10.400
<v Speaker 1>overcome adversity.

640
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:15.639
<v Speaker 2>All thin one word submissions continue on. We've got quite a.

641
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Lot this week. Kiwi Tiger concerned. Maybe there's no way

642
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:22.119
<v Speaker 1>of turning this club around. Are we a lost cause?

643
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Chuk's word was twenty You can't win with three starting

644
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 1>spine players being twenty years of age. Mercy Rules word

645
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:32.559
<v Speaker 1>was spoon bowl that'll be against the Titans in round

646
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven or should it be spoon bowl two point zero?

647
00:35:36.360 --> 00:35:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Barrow's word is help. We the fans, the players, and

648
00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.519
<v Speaker 1>definitely Benji. We all need help. Tedys Groundhog Day Nat

649
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Max seventy eight's word was lost. We look completely lost

650
00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>with the ball. We lost the game. I'm lost for

651
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:55.519
<v Speaker 1>words After that game, Peter Ray went for malajoitness, sums

652
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>up our team's performance. Of course, malajoitness meaning clumsy, awkward,

653
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:03.320
<v Speaker 1>lacking skill. You look that up, John, I did. Katar

654
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Tiger via the website send in a note to say, shocking, dumb, dumb, negative,

655
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.119
<v Speaker 1>worst effort of the year. But at least Melbourne are

656
00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>a good team. So there's all the one word subisions

657
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.800
<v Speaker 1>from the West Tigers podcast forum. Let's have a quick

658
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:19.920
<v Speaker 1>look at the game. I don't really want to go

659
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:24.079
<v Speaker 1>back and remember it too much. What I will say is,

660
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>don't ever say I'm not a dedicated West Tigers fan.

661
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I was out on Friday evening. I was actually working,

662
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't able to see the game, and it

663
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 1>was about eight point thirty and I went to NRL

664
00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:37.679
<v Speaker 1>dot com to see what the score was.

665
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't looking at the.

666
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have an opportunity to look at the group

667
00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:43.199
<v Speaker 1>chat or any look anywhere else. So I thought I'll

668
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 1>go and have a look at what the score was,

669
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and I went, ah, twenty eight ten.

670
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Bugger, I'm going.

671
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 1>To have to watch it because we're going to talk

672
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>about it on Sunday night. So I had to sit

673
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:56.400
<v Speaker 1>there this morning, Sunday morning and start my Sunday watching

674
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:59.079
<v Speaker 1>a replay of a loss, which is a really stupid

675
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>thing to do. But when you talk about it, you

676
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:03.559
<v Speaker 1>got to you got to watch it. What I will

677
00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:07.280
<v Speaker 1>say gentlemen, I'll throw to you first, Eddie Is. I believe,

678
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:13.599
<v Speaker 1>really sincerely that if you take Takiajo and Lodge and

679
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 1>put their eight their eight and they're ten in our team,

680
00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:19.559
<v Speaker 1>and the way that they played, especially in that first

681
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes, with their line speed, with the way that

682
00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>they were winning the collision, then the result would have

683
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.039
<v Speaker 1>been different. I think our problem. I know that I

684
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:31.440
<v Speaker 1>go on and on about physicality and winning the collision,

685
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:35.559
<v Speaker 1>but I still maintain that our biggest problem is upfront.

686
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.440
<v Speaker 5>Well, it's hard to argue based on what we saw

687
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:42.440
<v Speaker 5>Friday night, Joel, and that was clearly the biggest disappointment

688
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 5>of the game, because I wasn't expecting to win with

689
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 5>Bullet and Leu eye out and the fact we've got

690
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:52.480
<v Speaker 5>a very thin squad, but I wasn't expecting to average

691
00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.239
<v Speaker 5>thirty one meters a set. That's dreadful and like that's

692
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:00.559
<v Speaker 5>against a manly pack. I went through it eight seventeen,

693
00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:02.960
<v Speaker 5>which I rated the worst in the RL. They're the

694
00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.760
<v Speaker 5>worst in the NRL. Sadly I got that wrong because

695
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 5>we're the worst because we were completely out. I don't

696
00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:11.440
<v Speaker 5>know if it was out in thirsd or outplayed or

697
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.159
<v Speaker 5>out line speed or just everything by a pretty no

698
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.239
<v Speaker 5>name manly Pack, and you Takyaho and you mentioned Lodge.

699
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 5>I think it was Bullymore Bullymore around for one hundred

700
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.079
<v Speaker 5>and fifty meters, so Takiyaho. Our forwards was so disappointing

701
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:27.760
<v Speaker 5>in that game. And whether it's a wider thing of

702
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 5>you know, not being motivated or for god god knows

703
00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:35.360
<v Speaker 5>what reason any this side could be complacent, but that

704
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 5>was that was pretty galling getting outplayed by that Manly Pack.

705
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, what I've got here is if you go back

706
00:38:42.159 --> 00:38:47.280
<v Speaker 1>and watch it, Gary, often their play the ball was

707
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>before our line was set, like there play the ball

708
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 1>early on. It was obviously their strategy was so fast

709
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.039
<v Speaker 1>that often the West Tigers line defensive line was not set,

710
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 1>so they had the momentum from the very beginning. And

711
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.000
<v Speaker 1>we just seemed so slow and so sluggish, and we

712
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:07.800
<v Speaker 1>don't ever seem to have anyone really running hard onto

713
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 1>the ball, at least we've spoken a lot about it.

714
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>In that first twenty minute period, we just seemed to

715
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:17.960
<v Speaker 1>be lacking impact. I don't know, I can't describe it

716
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 1>other than we just look like, you know, two yards

717
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 1>off the pace all of the time.

718
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:28.239
<v Speaker 2>With energy from the forwards, with execution from the forwards.

719
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a really difficult one because I think for

720
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:36.159
<v Speaker 3>most of the season, outside the Melbourne game, we've shown

721
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.519
<v Speaker 3>up to play football. We didn't show up the play

722
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:42.679
<v Speaker 3>football on Friday night. There was just no energy in

723
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 3>anything we did. Shifting the ball was slow and clunky.

724
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:50.480
<v Speaker 3>As ed he said, our forwards got dominated against the pack.

725
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:55.199
<v Speaker 3>That like, I wouldn't take Lodge and the manly forwards

726
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.239
<v Speaker 3>because then we'd have to play with them next week.

727
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:00.400
<v Speaker 3>We've got a much better forward pack than them. But

728
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.719
<v Speaker 3>our Ford pack didn't show up. Our entire side did

729
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.880
<v Speaker 3>not show up on Friday night, and I said to

730
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 3>stave it over the weekend. If if we base that

731
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.679
<v Speaker 3>performance law is worth two million dollars to our side,

732
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:20.119
<v Speaker 3>because I do think a lot of that, the fact

733
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:21.920
<v Speaker 3>that we have shown up for most of this season.

734
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:25.440
<v Speaker 3>I think it's his presence for a big part of it,

735
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 3>and him being missing on Friday night. I think we

736
00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:31.239
<v Speaker 3>really lacked his presence out on the field because I

737
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.320
<v Speaker 3>don't think he lets players get away with what happened

738
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:37.679
<v Speaker 3>on Friday night. And I'm not using that him being

739
00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:41.079
<v Speaker 3>out as being an excused. The personal ownership should have

740
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:43.960
<v Speaker 3>been there for those players, but I think we haven't

741
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 3>seen as much of that this year because we've got

742
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:51.239
<v Speaker 3>Jerome Louai on our side, and look, I don't know

743
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.920
<v Speaker 3>what's going to happen on Sunday when we play the

744
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Roosters because he's not there again, and it's just it's

745
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.559
<v Speaker 3>terrifying to see. And for me, it wasn't that the

746
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 3>Manly pack is better than ours. It wasn't that man

747
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.280
<v Speaker 3>We've got a better team than ours. I think even

748
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.480
<v Speaker 3>that rubbish squad we put out was better than what

749
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Manly has on Friday night because they didn't show up,

750
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 3>and Manly gave us plenty of opportunities in that opening

751
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.920
<v Speaker 3>half to put points on them, and we were just

752
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:24.519
<v Speaker 3>unable to do so through paul play and lack of enthusiasm.

753
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 4>I think the problems for us started at the ruck

754
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:36.360
<v Speaker 4>with talon the Silver. I just don't think our tight forwards,

755
00:41:37.360 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 4>our eight, ten and thirteen ran off to Silver as

756
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:44.079
<v Speaker 4>well as they run off Appy. Now, whether that's just

757
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.559
<v Speaker 4>because the Silver didn't have his head in it, I

758
00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:49.599
<v Speaker 4>don't know, or whether it's just because he's a little

759
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.159
<v Speaker 4>bit different to the way Appy plays, but that's where

760
00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.679
<v Speaker 4>our problems started. And moving Happy out to halfback didn't

761
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.880
<v Speaker 4>work either. That running run off the first receiver we

762
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 4>found difficult as well.

763
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 3>I see Steve Happy, he's the best hooker in the

764
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:08.199
<v Speaker 3>game at the moment to run off and it has

765
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 3>been for the last five years. The way he gets

766
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 3>his forwards on the ball, that there's no one better

767
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.079
<v Speaker 3>than him. So that was a huge, huge thing we're

768
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 3>missing on Friday.

769
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:19.960
<v Speaker 4>And it just and you know, even though Tallon has

770
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:24.320
<v Speaker 4>been coming on and playing significant minutes for us, the

771
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 4>timing was just all wrong and we weren't able to

772
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:29.960
<v Speaker 4>get any momentum through the middle, and then we didn't

773
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:33.159
<v Speaker 4>have anyone who was able to arrest that as and

774
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.679
<v Speaker 4>Manly then grew in confidence and they did exactly what

775
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 4>you said, Joel. They just ran straight through us and

776
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 4>they you know, what you're talking about a lot of, Joel,

777
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 4>is that when when we get to the defensive line,

778
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.119
<v Speaker 4>we just stopped dead, stopped dead in our tracks. There's

779
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:54.119
<v Speaker 4>nothing post contact, Manly, We're getting post contact through enthusiasm.

780
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.599
<v Speaker 4>They grew an extra arm, they grew a bit of confidence.

781
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.880
<v Speaker 4>They haven't been playing well and all of a sudden

782
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 4>they saw a win, you know, down the end of

783
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Speaker 4>the road, and they went for it. If we out

784
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.400
<v Speaker 4>of hit them and dropped them at the line and

785
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.840
<v Speaker 4>they won't get any post contact then, And had we

786
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.400
<v Speaker 4>had better time out of the ruck and got a

787
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:15.400
<v Speaker 4>little bit of momentum out of that could have been

788
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 4>a very different game.

789
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:19.719
<v Speaker 3>That forward pack we had on Friday night, though Steve

790
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 3>has no high impact forwards in it, and that's an

791
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.960
<v Speaker 3>issue for us. And that's where I agree with Joel

792
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 3>in the fact that we do have issues still up front.

793
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:32.159
<v Speaker 3>We are still lacking a high impact middle forward. As

794
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.719
<v Speaker 3>a starter, I actually think it was a mistake to

795
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.840
<v Speaker 3>move the only back to the bench and start Pola.

796
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:40.679
<v Speaker 3>I thought was really good and provided a bit of

797
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 3>impact early in the game against the Raiders, and that

798
00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 3>was severely missing on Friday night. So I think that

799
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.719
<v Speaker 3>was a selection error in starting Polo. I think Paula

800
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.639
<v Speaker 3>is much better coming off the bench, and that's where

801
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.960
<v Speaker 3>he should be for at least the next couple of years,

802
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 3>I think, and we ever get someone in to take that,

803
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:02.159
<v Speaker 3>which I think we need to do, or at this

804
00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:04.400
<v Speaker 3>point in the season, I'm running Sioni in that role

805
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:10.079
<v Speaker 3>because he much better starter than Paul Is in my book, and.

806
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Probably both starting props are better off off the bench.

807
00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:13.960
<v Speaker 1>They are the two guys you want to bring on

808
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:14.840
<v Speaker 1>after twenty minutes.

809
00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:19.119
<v Speaker 3>In my opinion, No, I'm happy May definitely has to

810
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 3>start for us. His impact actually improves throughout the game.

811
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not taking minutes away from he's playing at least

812
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.119
<v Speaker 3>sixty minutes, and he's playing that from the start. For me,

813
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 3>it's just that you need someone to support him in

814
00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 3>that role because he does not have that impact in

815
00:44:36.239 --> 00:44:38.280
<v Speaker 3>that first twenty minutes that you kind of need.

816
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:41.920
<v Speaker 4>We haven't got the front rower at the starting front rower.

817
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:44.679
<v Speaker 4>That's one hundred percent correct, I believe, But we do

818
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.880
<v Speaker 4>have the impact played off the bench. The blood just

819
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.559
<v Speaker 4>hasn't been playing well. And apparently he did on the weekend, right.

820
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I went out to the game yesterday and he

821
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 3>was actually fantastic. Yes, they played about thirty minutes. I

822
00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 3>only ran for about eighty five minutes, but the high

823
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:04.440
<v Speaker 3>impact minutes he started off the bench. He lob scored

824
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:08.559
<v Speaker 3>three tries yesterday of all people playing at fullback, and

825
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.519
<v Speaker 3>one of those was off a beautiful offload from from

826
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 3>Royce Hunt, so I would have him coming back onto

827
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:17.639
<v Speaker 3>my bench next week if I was selecting the team.

828
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.119
<v Speaker 5>That's good to hear about Royce Hunt. But Joel, I

829
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:25.800
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't necessarily put these players through your shredder because I

830
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 5>think that means you know, they're basically dead, never to

831
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:32.119
<v Speaker 5>be seen again. But you know, Jack Bird's not a

832
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.320
<v Speaker 5>starting n RL player anymore, unfortunately, like he just got

833
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 5>completely dominated. I don't know where his position is, the

834
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:41.639
<v Speaker 5>way his body is. I don't think he's quick enough

835
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:43.960
<v Speaker 5>for the backs. He's certainly not strong enough for the forwards.

836
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.400
<v Speaker 5>He can add some impact off the bench, as he

837
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:50.239
<v Speaker 5>has at times this year. And then Alex, you.

838
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Don't have a lot of options when your other options.

839
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but Alex, I say, probably one of our best

840
00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:57.880
<v Speaker 5>players on the night.

841
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.320
<v Speaker 3>So was Adam doing?

842
00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:03.159
<v Speaker 5>Who was the other one? I was going to mention

843
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:06.480
<v Speaker 5>geld Alex Twile. I just again when Gary talked about

844
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.599
<v Speaker 5>low impact sort of forwards. Every forward packs ideally going

845
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.440
<v Speaker 5>to have a mix of workmen and impact guys, and

846
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:17.199
<v Speaker 5>perhaps our mix is wrong, but yeah, twil and burn

847
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:19.119
<v Speaker 5>I've got nominated in that game.

848
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I thought, I can't disagree. Craig Ives on Facebook just

849
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.840
<v Speaker 1>joined the forum the West Tiger's podcast for him.

850
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:27.800
<v Speaker 2>He says, I can't find where to put the one

851
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:28.639
<v Speaker 2>word for the week.

852
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:33.480
<v Speaker 1>You put it in the live game day threads and

853
00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.800
<v Speaker 1>looking forward to seeing your contributions there, Craig. But Craig's

854
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>word was cattle. We just don't have it, and we're

855
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>still a long way off. Obviously too massive pull out

856
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:44.119
<v Speaker 1>some Friday's game showed our lack of depth. But everyone's

857
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:47.199
<v Speaker 1>still calling for Benji's head. What can we do with

858
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the cattle that we have? Was anyone calling for Bennett's

859
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 1>head after the Bunnies were flogged last night? I think

860
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.360
<v Speaker 1>that's a little bit of different, different scenario though, given

861
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 1>the amount of success that South I've had in recent times.

862
00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.639
<v Speaker 3>Gary talking about Benji Marshall, I think we're tied to

863
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:05.079
<v Speaker 3>Benji Marshall for at least next year. The number of

864
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 3>players that are either in our club already or who

865
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 3>are coming to our club, or players we don't want

866
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 3>to lose is just too high. I think there's many

867
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 3>things he needs to do better, but I think we

868
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:20.480
<v Speaker 3>are tied to him for the next twelve months at least.

869
00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Craig goes on to say in my opinion, another couple

870
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:24.840
<v Speaker 1>of forwards who are willing to have a real crack

871
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:28.400
<v Speaker 1>in another center is needed. Blokes like Twile and Sayfarth

872
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:30.840
<v Speaker 1>should be coming off the bench and not starting.

873
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I've got in by notes here.

874
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 1>It took twenty three minutes for us to really have

875
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a strong, physically dominant set in defense. Three times in

876
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:44.039
<v Speaker 1>a set we were able to drive them back and

877
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:47.280
<v Speaker 1>mainly only made twenty meters or about twenty meters in

878
00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>that set, which was really pleasing, but just not enough

879
00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:53.639
<v Speaker 1>of it. Eddie Clunky is the word when it comes

880
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:55.800
<v Speaker 1>to our red zone attack. It's been that way even

881
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:59.000
<v Speaker 1>with our best team. We're just struggling once again in

882
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:03.840
<v Speaker 1>that red zone. And obviously Buller, who provides that extra

883
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:08.960
<v Speaker 1>that extra point of offense, was sorely missing as well.

884
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:13.480
<v Speaker 5>Always going to be very difficult without Leui and Buller.

885
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.320
<v Speaker 5>I probably didn't expect it to look that bad, but did.

886
00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:21.000
<v Speaker 5>But the point I was laboring might have been last week.

887
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:28.239
<v Speaker 5>Opposition coaches or players often label outside unorthodox or unconventional,

888
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:32.519
<v Speaker 5>and my paraphrase for that is they're disorganized, and when

889
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 5>they get sixteen kneel down, they go, oh, we've got

890
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:36.480
<v Speaker 5>some talent here, we're just going to start throwing the

891
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:38.679
<v Speaker 5>ball around, and this has happened a lot in the

892
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:42.000
<v Speaker 5>last four or five games. We're pretty conservative, we're clunky,

893
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.400
<v Speaker 5>We've got passes going over their head and then we

894
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 5>get sixteen there it will bound. So some of the

895
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 5>better players on the side like happy. So I've got

896
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:50.039
<v Speaker 5>to just do something myself here, or we're going to

897
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:54.039
<v Speaker 5>start playing offload football. And that's happened too many times

898
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.960
<v Speaker 5>for my liking. And I don't want to hammer the

899
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.280
<v Speaker 5>coach because I've given him a few raps the last

900
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:03.440
<v Speaker 5>couple of weeks and I've don't take that back. But Joel,

901
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 5>I think it's getting to the point where he has

902
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:08.280
<v Speaker 5>to be told at the end of the season that

903
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:11.000
<v Speaker 5>you know you're staying, but I would keep him, but

904
00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:14.079
<v Speaker 5>you're not getting to say in all your assistant coaches,

905
00:49:14.199 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 5>or we're bringing in a coach for attack specifically because

906
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.400
<v Speaker 5>he like I don't want to bag him for sitting

907
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 5>on the sideline, because you know, Ricky Stewart sits on

908
00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:26.079
<v Speaker 5>the sideline every week and the top of the table,

909
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:29.880
<v Speaker 5>but you can't see what's going on at ground level.

910
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.400
<v Speaker 5>You've got no idea what's going on. All you could

911
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 5>do is talk to your troops, and that's a way

912
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:39.039
<v Speaker 5>of engaging, and that's a motivating way. But you've got

913
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:41.800
<v Speaker 5>to have someone up on the box that knows what

914
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.039
<v Speaker 5>the hell is happening out there. Because he threw his

915
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:48.760
<v Speaker 5>plan out after fifteen minutes, which was probably fair enough

916
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.679
<v Speaker 5>because Steve mentioned that De Silva was really struggling and

917
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.159
<v Speaker 5>you had to get Appy back to nine. But someone said,

918
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:55.840
<v Speaker 5>I don't know if it's true, and I know there

919
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:57.880
<v Speaker 5>were a couple of hias and whatnot, that there were

920
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:01.280
<v Speaker 5>seven Spye changes throughout the game. Yeah, like that to

921
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.280
<v Speaker 5>me just smacks of a Jersey flag open trial in

922
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:08.079
<v Speaker 5>November and a scrimmage. And you go, right, oh, boys

923
00:50:08.360 --> 00:50:12.599
<v Speaker 5>have twenty minutes at full back, have fifteen minutes at hooker, Gary,

924
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:14.920
<v Speaker 5>you can have ten minutes at half back. I might

925
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.559
<v Speaker 5>as well. Let's just see how we go. So Benji,

926
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.920
<v Speaker 5>I think he's got a lot of attributes that are

927
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:25.480
<v Speaker 5>you know, gives me hope that he can make it

928
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 5>as a coach, and he has certainly improved the roster

929
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 5>more than I thought he could in a couple of

930
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 5>years by getting big fish like Louai and May and

931
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:39.760
<v Speaker 5>Tarriuvera guys that are playing well, but his ex'es and O's.

932
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:42.519
<v Speaker 5>I know there's a lack of cattle. And Friday is

933
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:44.480
<v Speaker 5>not the best example to hammer him with because that

934
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:47.599
<v Speaker 5>was a poor side that we ran out on Friday night.

935
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 5>But man, we need someone to organize this team because

936
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.039
<v Speaker 5>they look like they don't know what the hell they're

937
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:53.840
<v Speaker 5>doing at times.

938
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:58.599
<v Speaker 3>Mate, there were seven changes to the spine on Friday night,

939
00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:03.280
<v Speaker 3>but none of them worked. I would have been changing

940
00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:03.599
<v Speaker 3>them too.

941
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 5>He was like play Like God, we.

942
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.800
<v Speaker 3>Stuck with that one at the end. So I can

943
00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 3>understand the changes because no matter what he did, nothing

944
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 3>was working.

945
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:19.679
<v Speaker 6>At talk about structure, right, So just just on that point,

946
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:25.199
<v Speaker 6>why wouldn't like we bought out Our next most destructive

947
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:28.639
<v Speaker 6>back all season has been Staff and Tower?

948
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:31.280
<v Speaker 4>Now what on earth have we not put some structures

949
00:51:31.320 --> 00:51:35.039
<v Speaker 4>together and some plays together that have our back rower

950
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.639
<v Speaker 4>on the right side running through and sometimes you give

951
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:39.760
<v Speaker 4>it to him, and sometimes you pass it behind him

952
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.519
<v Speaker 4>and give the ball to Tower in space, get quick

953
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:46.400
<v Speaker 4>ball out to him, two passes, cut across behind your

954
00:51:46.440 --> 00:51:49.039
<v Speaker 4>back rower and get give the ball to Staff. A

955
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 4>Tower who at the very least will then have a

956
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:53.920
<v Speaker 4>bit of space and time to try to do something

957
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 4>because he's one bloke who can break a tackle and

958
00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 4>can beat a man. But he didn't see them. He

959
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.960
<v Speaker 4>didn't see the football. Now again, I know Eddie're right,

960
00:52:04.079 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 4>we didn't have We got thrown a curveball late with Leui,

961
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.360
<v Speaker 4>but it didn't even look like that had been thought

962
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 4>about it.

963
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:19.039
<v Speaker 5>You mentioned, sorry, Gary, He mentioned the press conference that

964
00:52:19.159 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 5>Leui like threw us into chaos, and it was like

965
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 5>Louis pulled out in the warm up. He pulled out

966
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.159
<v Speaker 5>pretty much the night before, so obviously mister captain's run.

967
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:30.599
<v Speaker 5>But it looked like he pulled out two minutes before

968
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:33.440
<v Speaker 5>the game. That's what it appeared like in the field,

969
00:52:33.440 --> 00:52:35.360
<v Speaker 5>and they were just like, oh, you go here, you

970
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 5>go there, let's let's go everywhere. That's that's where Benji's

971
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:40.559
<v Speaker 5>really learning on the run.

972
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 3>I think, well, I take your point about Tower, Steve,

973
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:49.559
<v Speaker 3>but you look at the guys he had playing inside

974
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:53.000
<v Speaker 3>him all night like happy he started on that right edge.

975
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:56.519
<v Speaker 3>He's not a half up with Heath Mason there who

976
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.679
<v Speaker 3>can't pass. And then Adam Dewey moved into the five

977
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.599
<v Speaker 3>eight role at some point and who I thought played

978
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 3>really well but isn't a known ballplayer either, and there

979
00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:08.599
<v Speaker 3>was absolutely no structure.

980
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:12.159
<v Speaker 4>That's my point. That's my point, Gary, that's the point, like,

981
00:53:12.800 --> 00:53:16.480
<v Speaker 4>even though, if you've got two blokes inside that aren't

982
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:21.400
<v Speaker 4>great first, that aren't stars, but you run some drills

983
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:23.039
<v Speaker 4>of train to get them passing the ball.

984
00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.039
<v Speaker 3>Uck quick passing training though.

985
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:28.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, well you're telling me you can't put two

986
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:31.320
<v Speaker 4>blokes in there to throw a quick ball from the

987
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 4>ruck to first receiver of the second receiver to tower

988
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.800
<v Speaker 4>and at least give him the ball with a bit

989
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:36.199
<v Speaker 4>of time.

990
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.199
<v Speaker 3>None of those players playing that position have shown that

991
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 3>yet in their career. So yeah, I'm not surprised that

992
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.920
<v Speaker 3>it was like that. You're right, it's it's probably something

993
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.119
<v Speaker 3>we needed to have. But they've been getting in pretty

994
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:52.639
<v Speaker 3>decent ball all season. He has been getting that early ball.

995
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:56.719
<v Speaker 3>That's why he's having such a good season. But the

996
00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 3>player he had running lines inside him was was Greg Byrd.

997
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Jack Bird keep saying Greg Byrd, I don't know why,

998
00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:09.599
<v Speaker 3>Jack Bird. He's not going to drumal defenses like the

999
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:13.679
<v Speaker 3>way he played the other night. It's just the cattle

1000
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.559
<v Speaker 3>was really bad on Friday night, but we we just

1001
00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:19.679
<v Speaker 3>weren't good enough. That we didn't execute well enough. We

1002
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.800
<v Speaker 3>didn't play with enough enthusiasm. I think if we had

1003
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:26.559
<v Speaker 3>played with a little bit of intensity, we win that

1004
00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:29.559
<v Speaker 3>game fairly easier, even against that manly side, because they

1005
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:33.960
<v Speaker 3>were diabolical in that first half. They were horrible, like

1006
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:36.000
<v Speaker 3>that was one of the worst hards of football I've

1007
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.800
<v Speaker 3>ever seen, and they kept giving us the ball in

1008
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 3>good field position, and the lack of intensity, the lack

1009
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:45.320
<v Speaker 3>of enthusiasm, we just did nothing with it.

1010
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.559
<v Speaker 4>Well, that's what I'm saying, mate. That's like, you can't

1011
00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:52.239
<v Speaker 4>tell me that it's training. They can't put whoever he

1012
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:57.199
<v Speaker 4>is needed in those positions for the play for that play,

1013
00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:59.159
<v Speaker 4>right you can say, yeah, well you got you got

1014
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:01.239
<v Speaker 4>X one and Z on the right edge. But for

1015
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 4>that play where we are going to get staff at

1016
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.079
<v Speaker 4>the ball early and quickly, you bring someone into that

1017
00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:11.199
<v Speaker 4>position to run that play, and you train it all

1018
00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:13.079
<v Speaker 4>bloody weak, you train it hard.

1019
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 7>And we knew we were down, okay, we knew. We

1020
00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.239
<v Speaker 7>didn't know we weren't going to have LUAI. We knew

1021
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.880
<v Speaker 7>we were down on attacking weapons. So staff had told

1022
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:26.760
<v Speaker 7>the players should have been to get him the ball,

1023
00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 7>and it didn't look like there was anything put in

1024
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:32.199
<v Speaker 7>place to get him the ball. I take your point,

1025
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:36.000
<v Speaker 7>but I still maintain you've got to train to your strengths,

1026
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.519
<v Speaker 7>and it doesn't look like to me they are.

1027
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:42.800
<v Speaker 1>And he just just something that just sparked my memory.

1028
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.039
<v Speaker 1>I think we were talking about coaches and how great

1029
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:49.960
<v Speaker 1>players don't necessarily make great coaches, and I was just

1030
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:51.760
<v Speaker 1>thinking that through as I was listening to you guys,

1031
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:55.119
<v Speaker 1>and I was thinking back about some players. Bellamy's a

1032
00:55:55.119 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Speaker 1>good example, Shane Flanagan much too, Gary's chagrin. I'm not

1033
00:56:00.320 --> 00:56:03.639
<v Speaker 1>saying that he's a great coach, but he's a premiership

1034
00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 1>winning coach. But guys like that was sort of scrappers

1035
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.679
<v Speaker 1>in that they had to work really really hard and

1036
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 1>had to work with what they had.

1037
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:14.719
<v Speaker 2>To achieve first grade.

1038
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not a lot of first grade, but they achieved

1039
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.079
<v Speaker 1>their goal of playing first grade. And I remember some

1040
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.920
<v Speaker 1>talk about I can't remember who the coach was. It

1041
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:26.599
<v Speaker 1>may have been when Junior took over at Balmain, where

1042
00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:28.960
<v Speaker 1>there was that concern that he was going to get

1043
00:56:28.960 --> 00:56:31.320
<v Speaker 1>frustrated with the players who weren't willing to do the

1044
00:56:31.360 --> 00:56:34.280
<v Speaker 1>extras like he always was, But I wonder if Benji,

1045
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 1>because it came so naturally for Benji, was so naturally gifted,

1046
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.079
<v Speaker 1>that he just doesn't.

1047
00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Know how to connect with players.

1048
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:48.440
<v Speaker 1>That don't have that natural gift, and he just sort

1049
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:50.440
<v Speaker 1>of thinks that it's going to happen naturally for them,

1050
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:51.840
<v Speaker 1>and because that's how it happened for.

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00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:55.599
<v Speaker 5>Him, it's interesting. I think we spoke about it last week,

1052
00:56:55.719 --> 00:57:00.280
<v Speaker 5>like it's a discussing across the broader sports. A lot

1053
00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:04.679
<v Speaker 5>of great ex players make great coaches, and I made

1054
00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 5>the point last week that teams tend to play in

1055
00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:10.519
<v Speaker 5>the personality of their coach, and he's got some great

1056
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:12.880
<v Speaker 5>personality traits. I think he's dealt with media really well.

1057
00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:17.480
<v Speaker 5>He's kept the team relatively harmonious calm, But his career

1058
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:21.480
<v Speaker 5>JOL was never consistent. Like even in his great housey

1059
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:24.800
<v Speaker 5>in days, you know there'd be three triassists and four

1060
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:27.760
<v Speaker 5>balls going out of the sidelines. So I just think

1061
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.719
<v Speaker 5>he's a young coach and I think he needs to

1062
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:33.320
<v Speaker 5>not select all his mates as assistant coach. I think

1063
00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:37.840
<v Speaker 5>he needs a little bit of experience or some wiser guys,

1064
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:41.199
<v Speaker 5>perhaps with ex's and o's that could help him purely

1065
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:43.159
<v Speaker 5>really focus in on his strengths.

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00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:45.599
<v Speaker 1>Maybe people that are not afraid to say no to

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00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:47.199
<v Speaker 1>him or to disagree.

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00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.679
<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe yeah, Joel, about your point about great players

1069
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:56.159
<v Speaker 3>not making great coaches. I spent half my life as

1070
00:57:56.159 --> 00:57:59.480
<v Speaker 3>a teacher, and what I found is sometimes the most

1071
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.519
<v Speaker 3>intelligent person wasn't the best teacher because a lot of

1072
00:58:02.519 --> 00:58:06.119
<v Speaker 3>things that came naturally to them, especially in things like mathematics,

1073
00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:09.840
<v Speaker 3>they would skip a step in their head and they

1074
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:15.039
<v Speaker 3>just knew that automatically. And what happens is, then how

1075
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.440
<v Speaker 3>do you teach that step that you're missing if you

1076
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:19.719
<v Speaker 3>don't know it? And I find that with a lot

1077
00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:23.679
<v Speaker 3>of coaches as well. My theory would be that things

1078
00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Speaker 3>that they could just do naturally, they just knew how

1079
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.000
<v Speaker 3>to do. How do you then break that down in

1080
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.239
<v Speaker 3>the steps to teach it to someone? How do you

1081
00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 3>break down that game plan of where you're meant to

1082
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.239
<v Speaker 3>be if you instinctively knew where to be there? How

1083
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:40.719
<v Speaker 3>do you identify like some halves who Cooper Krank would

1084
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.199
<v Speaker 3>have been a guy who did this. He would identify

1085
00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:46.480
<v Speaker 3>things like tells in the defense about what the defense

1086
00:58:46.559 --> 00:58:50.239
<v Speaker 3>was doing. Now, a guy like Benji probably was looking

1087
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:53.599
<v Speaker 3>for those tells. He just automatically reacted to them. So

1088
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:55.840
<v Speaker 3>how do you then teach those tells to a player

1089
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:58.880
<v Speaker 3>if you weren't looking for them when you played, you

1090
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:02.719
<v Speaker 3>were just reacting to what you saw subconsciously. And I

1091
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.519
<v Speaker 3>think that is a pretty good example of what you're

1092
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:09.079
<v Speaker 3>talking about and why sometimes really good coaches really good

1093
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:13.519
<v Speaker 3>players don't translate to really good coaches. But look, I

1094
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:17.559
<v Speaker 3>think exactly right, Eddie. I think Benji is doing a

1095
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:20.639
<v Speaker 3>really good job of well for the most part, apart

1096
00:59:20.639 --> 00:59:24.000
<v Speaker 3>from the players. Leaving of managing the players, I think

1097
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:26.000
<v Speaker 3>most of the players have really good buy into what

1098
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:28.760
<v Speaker 3>he's trying to do. But I think he needs help

1099
00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.760
<v Speaker 3>with some of the game planning side of it, and

1100
00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:33.519
<v Speaker 3>that to me looks like what's lacking at the moment.

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00:59:34.039 --> 00:59:36.239
<v Speaker 4>I think you've just hit on something, Gary. I think

1102
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:42.559
<v Speaker 4>Cooper Kronk, or a Cooper Kronk clone is the exact

1103
00:59:42.679 --> 00:59:45.440
<v Speaker 4>type of personality we need to come in and sit

1104
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:51.000
<v Speaker 4>behind Benji. Cooper Kronk is a guy who has well

1105
00:59:51.039 --> 00:59:53.280
<v Speaker 4>the way he talks right, the way he talks now

1106
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:57.719
<v Speaker 4>that he's commentating, has absolute attention to detail, talks about

1107
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.000
<v Speaker 4>repetition and doing it until it hurts to get it right,

1108
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:07.760
<v Speaker 4>and as that mindset of just becoming perfect in your

1109
01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:15.320
<v Speaker 4>execution and that type of mentality teamed up with Benji

1110
01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:18.519
<v Speaker 4>and the way Benji thinks and the way Benji, as

1111
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:22.480
<v Speaker 4>Gary just said, managers players, I think would be a

1112
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:26.760
<v Speaker 4>perfect combination. I'm not saying Cooper Kronk, I'm saying that personality.

1113
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:31.159
<v Speaker 5>It's into interesting Joel. I was sitting with Adele on

1114
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:35.400
<v Speaker 5>Thursday night from The Westlife Tiger's podcast, and he made

1115
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.920
<v Speaker 5>a point about the Penrith Cannery game and he said,

1116
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:41.480
<v Speaker 5>these two teams are basically at the top of the competition.

1117
01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:44.039
<v Speaker 5>They're they're the most attention to detail in terms of

1118
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:47.119
<v Speaker 5>structure in attack. Funny, it was a great game, but

1119
01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:49.239
<v Speaker 5>it was almost like they canceled each other out because

1120
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.119
<v Speaker 5>they knew what each other were doing. But I just

1121
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.639
<v Speaker 5>think we've got so many steps to go. I think

1122
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:58.119
<v Speaker 5>our talent's improved, but in terms of being that detailed

1123
01:00:58.119 --> 01:01:00.880
<v Speaker 5>of structured attack, which knows there's a couple of players

1124
01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.199
<v Speaker 5>out players could play the system, we look a long

1125
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:03.679
<v Speaker 5>way from that.

1126
01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:07.039
<v Speaker 1>I can't help but think that that missing out on

1127
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:10.159
<v Speaker 1>Sereraldo has been another sliding doors moment.

1128
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:14.039
<v Speaker 2>For the club, like it's easy in hindsight, but I

1129
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:16.880
<v Speaker 2>think it could be. It could be a sliding doors moment.

1130
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:21.159
<v Speaker 3>Garry, I would desroudo lasted his first year at the

1131
01:01:21.199 --> 01:01:24.440
<v Speaker 3>Bulldogs a similar year at our club. We probably suckum

1132
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:27.119
<v Speaker 3>at the end of that year. So they were really

1133
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:29.440
<v Speaker 3>poor in that first year, and he was obviously putting

1134
01:01:29.480 --> 01:01:32.440
<v Speaker 3>the stuff in place to move that club forward, because

1135
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.400
<v Speaker 3>they've moved forward since then. But we may not have

1136
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:36.519
<v Speaker 3>had that patience with him.

1137
01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:37.559
<v Speaker 2>We'll never know.

1138
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I want to just quickly just be a little bit negative,

1139
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:41.760
<v Speaker 1>and then I've got a positive, and then I've got

1140
01:01:41.760 --> 01:01:42.440
<v Speaker 1>a question.

1141
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:44.639
<v Speaker 5>For you also, and then I've got my game Joel, Oh.

1142
01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you game?

1143
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Medi Okay, Well, well I'll just have a look, you know,

1144
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 1>like if you West Tigers, if you were to know

1145
01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:53.239
<v Speaker 1>I've said it before on the pod, if you were

1146
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to encapsulate ten minutes of the West Tigers, it's the

1147
01:01:56.599 --> 01:01:59.280
<v Speaker 1>two minutes before halftime in the game against Manley, and

1148
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.960
<v Speaker 1>it's the minutes after halftime, so with a minute to go,

1149
01:02:03.559 --> 01:02:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Manly scored that try. Of course, Skelton was sort of

1150
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:09.760
<v Speaker 1>out of position, burned for pace. They get in there

1151
01:02:09.800 --> 01:02:12.800
<v Speaker 1>in the corner. They go into halftime leading by six nil.

1152
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Not the end of the world, you know, we were

1153
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:19.000
<v Speaker 1>still in it, but the first minute of the second half.

1154
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:23.000
<v Speaker 1>So they've come out really, really enthusiastic. Their line speed

1155
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:26.280
<v Speaker 1>keeps us to thirty minutes. We turn them all over

1156
01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:29.159
<v Speaker 1>to them. Our defense is flat footed, nowhere near the

1157
01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:30.440
<v Speaker 1>same level of intensity.

1158
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.760
<v Speaker 2>They make more meters, they make their way.

1159
01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Downfield, they get a penalty because we're offside by the

1160
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.360
<v Speaker 1>third tackle. They're attacking our line. They spread it to

1161
01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:42.840
<v Speaker 1>their left, really simple play, and they score, and all

1162
01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:43.760
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden.

1163
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:46.519
<v Speaker 2>It's twelve mil. And it's like, how to lose a game?

1164
01:02:46.599 --> 01:02:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Or ten mili it might have been, but how to

1165
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:52.039
<v Speaker 1>lose a game in ten quick minutes just from two

1166
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:56.840
<v Speaker 1>passages of play, which is substandard. The positive before I

1167
01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:59.480
<v Speaker 1>throw to you for your game, Metie, you can host them.

1168
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.440
<v Speaker 1>I've got one more question the positives. I've got to

1169
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:06.599
<v Speaker 1>say the feinners, All three of the feinners were a positive.

1170
01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought Samuela played well.

1171
01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:10.360
<v Speaker 1>I thought so only did his usual you know, he's

1172
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:13.760
<v Speaker 1>turning out to be a very consistent, very reliable prop

1173
01:03:14.280 --> 01:03:17.239
<v Speaker 1>And I thought Latsu had some really classy.

1174
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Moments which gave me hope.

1175
01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Probably for me, those three stood out above anybody else.

1176
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Did anybody else have any thoughts on the Feinners performance

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01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:26.440
<v Speaker 1>the three of them.

1178
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:29.039
<v Speaker 3>I thought it was Seem's best performance of the season

1179
01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:34.760
<v Speaker 3>so far. I thought he was actually damaging in his runs,

1180
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:37.280
<v Speaker 3>which we haven't seen for a little bit. I think

1181
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:39.480
<v Speaker 3>he must have been carrying an injury earlier in the year,

1182
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:41.320
<v Speaker 3>and I think he's starting to get over that now.

1183
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:44.880
<v Speaker 3>So I'm really looking forward to seeing him him back

1184
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:47.440
<v Speaker 3>when Lui comes back into the side in what is

1185
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:50.719
<v Speaker 3>it now, two weeks time, because I think that combination

1186
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.000
<v Speaker 3>is really going to start to build. So the only

1187
01:03:53.119 --> 01:03:56.719
<v Speaker 3>I agree, as I said earlier, I'd be starting him

1188
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:01.800
<v Speaker 3>LAT two. I thought, really, lu I've been there. I

1189
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:06.000
<v Speaker 3>think he still a young guy, still very inexperience. I

1190
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.199
<v Speaker 3>don't put a lot of the loss unto him despite

1191
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:13.599
<v Speaker 3>our troubles kind of in the attacking red zone. I

1192
01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:15.960
<v Speaker 3>just think he needs a little bit of help and

1193
01:04:16.760 --> 01:04:18.880
<v Speaker 3>just have that help he needed on Friday night.

1194
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but if you if you're looking at it, if

1195
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:24.840
<v Speaker 1>you're looking at that, at that game from an unbiased perspective,

1196
01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:26.840
<v Speaker 1>he was the guy that looked have the most class,

1197
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the most.

1198
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.760
<v Speaker 3>The most I'm very happy to see what he does

1199
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:33.079
<v Speaker 3>over the next couple of months, especially once alas in.

1200
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.679
<v Speaker 3>I think they will be very telling and and part

1201
01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:39.639
<v Speaker 3>of the reason why I think we're going to like

1202
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.320
<v Speaker 3>despite everything that happened today with Talon to Silver, despite

1203
01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:46.559
<v Speaker 3>the game on Friday night, Lar too fainting, is one

1204
01:04:46.599 --> 01:04:48.239
<v Speaker 3>of the reasons I think we're going to be in

1205
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:49.840
<v Speaker 3>a much better position next season.

1206
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Edie's got a game?

1207
01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:51.400
<v Speaker 3>Is it?

1208
01:04:51.719 --> 01:04:53.039
<v Speaker 2>The good, the bad, and the ugly.

1209
01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:57.480
<v Speaker 5>I've given I've given Shane Richson quite a few raps

1210
01:04:57.519 --> 01:05:00.239
<v Speaker 5>tonight because I ran him very, very highly, and I'd

1211
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:02.039
<v Speaker 5>love him to come on this podcast one day and

1212
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.440
<v Speaker 5>he could just tell me that I'm a deluded, you know,

1213
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.360
<v Speaker 5>gibbering fan, which is exactly what I am.

1214
01:05:08.519 --> 01:05:09.639
<v Speaker 2>But that's what we all think.

1215
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:12.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, fu my game, goal, my game, jol I might

1216
01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:14.800
<v Speaker 5>direct it to you because Stephen Gary, why might this

1217
01:05:14.840 --> 01:05:19.519
<v Speaker 5>game it's called Shane Richardson or Shane Pasco. You have

1218
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.719
<v Speaker 5>to answer these questions because you know, Richo is a

1219
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.679
<v Speaker 5>very bullish man, and he's in the crocodile role. I'm

1220
01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:27.760
<v Speaker 5>just worried this crocodiles. Dont to get on top of

1221
01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.679
<v Speaker 5>him at the moment, because if you would ask the question,

1222
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:34.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, when Richo signed in twenty twenty five, Joel

1223
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:38.559
<v Speaker 5>in July, let's call it July. Who would have the

1224
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:41.320
<v Speaker 5>club playing back at five grounds? Would it be Shane

1225
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:42.639
<v Speaker 5>Richson or Shane Pasco?

1226
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

1227
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:44.679
<v Speaker 2>Point?

1228
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:48.000
<v Speaker 5>Taking my second one, you know, who would go on

1229
01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:50.719
<v Speaker 5>a podcast in round seven and declare, in a few

1230
01:05:50.719 --> 01:05:54.039
<v Speaker 5>weeks we'll have two or three signings Shane Richardson or

1231
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.639
<v Speaker 5>Shane Pasco. This one's maybe a bit below the belt,

1232
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.639
<v Speaker 5>but who would sign two mediocre players managed by his

1233
01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:02.639
<v Speaker 5>son who are possibly not good enough to be in

1234
01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:05.719
<v Speaker 5>the top thirty. Imagine his name was Shane Pasco. He'd

1235
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:07.199
<v Speaker 5>certainly be compying some flak for that.

1236
01:06:07.400 --> 01:06:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1237
01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:07.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1238
01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:10.800
<v Speaker 5>And who would release a press release on a Friday,

1239
01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:15.000
<v Speaker 5>you know, saying that our percentage sales at Kombank Stadium

1240
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.880
<v Speaker 5>and I sarcastically said, well, you know, hat sales are

1241
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:20.280
<v Speaker 5>up three percent and scarf sales are up four percent.

1242
01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:23.480
<v Speaker 4>But like, really, rich out, do you really have to

1243
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:23.840
<v Speaker 4>put a.

1244
01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:27.719
<v Speaker 5>Press release out for that? Because you know, I'm sure

1245
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:30.000
<v Speaker 5>you're right, and you know what you're doing money wise.

1246
01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:34.159
<v Speaker 5>But okay, if those merchandise and membership is up at

1247
01:06:34.199 --> 01:06:38.639
<v Speaker 5>Coombank Stadium. You know what's not up. Wins. Wins are

1248
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:40.719
<v Speaker 5>not up. And those two wins we could have had

1249
01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:44.039
<v Speaker 5>potentially a like ard over against Paramatta and Penrith, they're

1250
01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:45.960
<v Speaker 5>out the window and rich. So we're not in the

1251
01:06:46.039 --> 01:06:47.639
<v Speaker 5>race for the top eight, mate, we're in the race

1252
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:48.960
<v Speaker 5>for the spoon again.

1253
01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:51.719
<v Speaker 1>And you know what most importantly is not up is

1254
01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:54.880
<v Speaker 1>the goodwill of the fan base. That's what has got

1255
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:58.000
<v Speaker 1>me worried is the good will is diminishing and diminishing,

1256
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:01.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's really really hard back, Steve.

1257
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:04.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just on that fan base. I think that's a

1258
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:07.360
<v Speaker 4>recent thing. I think the fans have been pretty good

1259
01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:09.280
<v Speaker 4>with the club most of the year. I think it's

1260
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:13.039
<v Speaker 4>just in this last forty eight hours really it's really taken.

1261
01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:16.199
<v Speaker 2>It got rocky a couple of weeks ago and it's yeah.

1262
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:19.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, but I think you have been a little

1263
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:21.719
<v Speaker 4>bit tough with that one. And I know you said

1264
01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:24.559
<v Speaker 4>of half a little tongue in cheek, yeah yeah, it

1265
01:07:24.639 --> 01:07:25.079
<v Speaker 4>is a little bit.

1266
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

1267
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:28.039
<v Speaker 4>I think what you said earlier is probably the most

1268
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:32.119
<v Speaker 4>pertinent point when you said you don't think that rich

1269
01:07:32.159 --> 01:07:34.679
<v Speaker 4>I understood how hard it was going to be to

1270
01:07:34.679 --> 01:07:37.760
<v Speaker 4>turn this club around. It because he has mentioned that

1271
01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:40.320
<v Speaker 4>there's a journey to go on. That's that Richard Media, right,

1272
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.039
<v Speaker 4>We've got to go from bad to port of mediocre whatever.

1273
01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:47.440
<v Speaker 4>But I think getting out of bad or getting out

1274
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:50.239
<v Speaker 4>of poor, he's taking a lot longer than he he

1275
01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.920
<v Speaker 4>originally thought. And maybe he's going to take all he's yes,

1276
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:58.320
<v Speaker 4>but for me, he's not. He's not Pasco Richo, He's

1277
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:03.159
<v Speaker 4>Obi one. He's ob one, And because honestly, I believe

1278
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.599
<v Speaker 4>he's our only hope. We've got to stay behind this guy,

1279
01:08:07.000 --> 01:08:09.039
<v Speaker 4>and we've got to trust him what he's doing and

1280
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.679
<v Speaker 4>support him because we've got no one else in the

1281
01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:16.560
<v Speaker 4>club with the experience that he's got, and we just

1282
01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:19.479
<v Speaker 4>have to trust that whatever he does works.

1283
01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:22.520
<v Speaker 3>There's a very important period coming up for us over

1284
01:08:22.560 --> 01:08:24.840
<v Speaker 3>the next two months, and it's about setting us up

1285
01:08:24.880 --> 01:08:28.079
<v Speaker 3>for next year, and it goes pretty much from the

1286
01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:31.720
<v Speaker 3>end of them from now pretty much until around first

1287
01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:35.319
<v Speaker 3>in November, and it's about improving this roster. I think

1288
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:38.640
<v Speaker 3>it's really crucial time and I know who I'd rather

1289
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:42.479
<v Speaker 3>have in control of that at the moment. Over over

1290
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:46.800
<v Speaker 3>Pasco or Richardson this next couple of months to set

1291
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:49.479
<v Speaker 3>us up for next season. We need to pick up

1292
01:08:49.479 --> 01:08:53.880
<v Speaker 3>a few quality players like we did last season, and

1293
01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:57.560
<v Speaker 3>I think that improves us a lot. It's really important

1294
01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:58.640
<v Speaker 3>couple of months coming up.

1295
01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I haven't been on a pod since this news broke,

1296
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:03.800
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't want to let this one go past.

1297
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:06.720
<v Speaker 1>It was last week. I think it came out last

1298
01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Friday morning. Lee Hadjapentalas saying he regrets taking the job.

1299
01:09:11.039 --> 01:09:14.399
<v Speaker 2>As chairman of the West Tigers. We regret it too, Yeah, Lee,

1300
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:15.640
<v Speaker 2>I'd just like to say so to we.

1301
01:09:16.199 --> 01:09:19.399
<v Speaker 1>The feeling is more than mutual. Last one, guys, the

1302
01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:23.720
<v Speaker 1>question that I've got is crystal Ball. Does the team's

1303
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:28.319
<v Speaker 1>heads drop from here like it was that it was

1304
01:09:28.319 --> 01:09:31.640
<v Speaker 1>that our Grand final? Or is there still some fight

1305
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:35.039
<v Speaker 1>in this team? What is your gut feeling, Eduardo?

1306
01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:39.880
<v Speaker 5>This week will be horrible. They'll get absolutely flogged. If

1307
01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:41.800
<v Speaker 5>you can get the Ruses minus twelve and a half,

1308
01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:43.760
<v Speaker 5>which you can at the moment, that'll be about eighteen

1309
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:46.119
<v Speaker 5>in a few days. Because the sidewik in the name

1310
01:09:46.439 --> 01:09:49.000
<v Speaker 5>is like Gary said, we've probably got eighteen players available

1311
01:09:49.079 --> 01:09:54.159
<v Speaker 5>or something there. They'll get absolutely torched. But there are

1312
01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:56.600
<v Speaker 5>there are about four grand finals for us coming up

1313
01:09:56.600 --> 01:09:58.800
<v Speaker 5>before the end of the season. Doel two against the

1314
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:02.840
<v Speaker 5>Gold Coast, one against Many at our fifth home ground,

1315
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:06.800
<v Speaker 5>Sydney Football Stadium, and one against the Cowboys at like

1316
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:08.600
<v Speaker 5>Ard Oval. And if we can win three of those

1317
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:11.479
<v Speaker 5>four games, we won't get the spoon and we might

1318
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:13.720
<v Speaker 5>finish fourteenth, which is what I predicted the start of

1319
01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:16.439
<v Speaker 5>the year. So I'm hoping it's going to be two

1320
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.439
<v Speaker 5>weeks where it really bottoms out here. Not hoping it

1321
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:21.439
<v Speaker 5>bottoms out, but it will. We'll lose to the Rouses

1322
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:24.760
<v Speaker 5>and we'll lose to the Warriors, but then Loui back,

1323
01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.760
<v Speaker 5>buller back, Let's have a really good last six weeks,

1324
01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.000
<v Speaker 5>win three or four of the last six, come fourteenth

1325
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:32.319
<v Speaker 5>and heading to next season with a bit of momentum.

1326
01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.720
<v Speaker 5>But we are in it a crocodile race for the

1327
01:10:35.760 --> 01:10:39.800
<v Speaker 5>Wooden Spoon, sadly, and I think the Gold Coase potentially

1328
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:42.720
<v Speaker 5>Paramatta our only other challenges for Yeah.

1329
01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:44.760
<v Speaker 3>I agree with you, Eddie. I think the next two

1330
01:10:44.880 --> 01:10:48.800
<v Speaker 3>weeks is going to be really tough. Missing missing Happy

1331
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:53.760
<v Speaker 3>next weekend, that's just I don't even want to think

1332
01:10:53.760 --> 01:10:56.159
<v Speaker 3>about that. Game right now, it's going to be a

1333
01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:59.840
<v Speaker 3>really tough game. I think there'll be a little bit

1334
01:10:59.880 --> 01:11:05.439
<v Speaker 3>of a dip in confidence after that. But what I

1335
01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:07.399
<v Speaker 3>want to see over the remainder of the season is

1336
01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:14.039
<v Speaker 3>those leaders we have at our club, Happy Dream and Jerome.

1337
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:17.319
<v Speaker 3>I think that's time for them to build these guys

1338
01:11:17.319 --> 01:11:18.920
<v Speaker 3>back up, and I want to see us fighting to

1339
01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:22.600
<v Speaker 3>the end of the year. It's really crucial that we

1340
01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:25.439
<v Speaker 3>don't turn up our tails for the next month and

1341
01:11:25.439 --> 01:11:28.960
<v Speaker 3>a half two months. It's really crucial that this club

1342
01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:33.640
<v Speaker 3>comes out and continues to swing. It's really important in recruitment.

1343
01:11:33.640 --> 01:11:37.159
<v Speaker 3>It's really important and confidence, and it's really important when

1344
01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:41.560
<v Speaker 3>we see how quickly our fan base, including us, like

1345
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:46.000
<v Speaker 3>turn at the moment, it's a really fragile fan base,

1346
01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:48.760
<v Speaker 3>and it's really important that we see something between now

1347
01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:49.600
<v Speaker 3>and the end of the season.

1348
01:11:50.159 --> 01:11:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I think it's really important for the sake Steve, I

1349
01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:54.079
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you want to add to this that

1350
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:56.159
<v Speaker 1>there's been a lot of hard work that's been put

1351
01:11:56.199 --> 01:11:58.640
<v Speaker 1>in and if the wheels do do fall off and

1352
01:11:58.920 --> 01:12:02.039
<v Speaker 1>roll down the road and we do end up God

1353
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:06.239
<v Speaker 1>forbid last or maybe a second last, I mean, how

1354
01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:08.079
<v Speaker 1>do you not lose hope, given a lot of hard

1355
01:12:08.119 --> 01:12:10.239
<v Speaker 1>work has been put into getting in this in a

1356
01:12:10.239 --> 01:12:13.439
<v Speaker 1>better position, and then after twelve months of slogging it away,

1357
01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:14.720
<v Speaker 1>you're in exactly the same spot.

1358
01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:17.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think we had a similar pub this time

1359
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:20.279
<v Speaker 4>last year where we said the exact same words, where

1360
01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:22.399
<v Speaker 4>the next few months is really important blah blah blah

1361
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:24.279
<v Speaker 4>set us up in the next season. So if we

1362
01:12:24.319 --> 01:12:28.000
<v Speaker 4>finished last it is going to be exceptionally difficult because

1363
01:12:28.520 --> 01:12:30.199
<v Speaker 4>there has been a lot of work, there has been

1364
01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:33.880
<v Speaker 4>a lot of hope, and if it all comes to nothing,

1365
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 4>which is what last year is, it's going to be

1366
01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:41.359
<v Speaker 4>a monumental shift to turn that around. I don't think

1367
01:12:41.359 --> 01:12:44.079
<v Speaker 4>that will happen. But I do think this team has

1368
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.600
<v Speaker 4>got more to it than that. I agree with what

1369
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.039
<v Speaker 4>the guy said. I've actually got nothing really to add

1370
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:50.720
<v Speaker 4>to that. I think the next two weeks are going

1371
01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:52.479
<v Speaker 4>to be a killer, but I reckon we can win

1372
01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:54.319
<v Speaker 4>two or three games after that, and I think we'll

1373
01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:59.279
<v Speaker 4>once we get Appian Lua back, we will be competitive

1374
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:02.279
<v Speaker 4>and putting it in one hundred percent on the field

1375
01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:05.279
<v Speaker 4>till the end of the season, which has not been

1376
01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:08.319
<v Speaker 4>the case in previous seasons. That's what I want to see,

1377
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.000
<v Speaker 4>you know, and hopefully we can win three and finish

1378
01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:14.159
<v Speaker 4>somewhere away from seven eighth.

1379
01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree. So I think we've got the leaders

1380
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:19.039
<v Speaker 3>to get us to that point this year.

1381
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:20.279
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1382
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:23.359
<v Speaker 1>I remember Richo talking about the Penrith fans that didn't

1383
01:13:23.359 --> 01:13:27.000
<v Speaker 1>give up when the hit rock bottom, and then he

1384
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.840
<v Speaker 1>saw them at the finals, you know, and it was

1385
01:13:29.880 --> 01:13:31.399
<v Speaker 1>it was great for them. But I think if the

1386
01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:33.560
<v Speaker 1>West Tigers ever played finals football again, I think that

1387
01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:35.880
<v Speaker 1>we should all be chaffeur driven out to the game

1388
01:13:35.920 --> 01:13:41.199
<v Speaker 1>and put in the most salubrious corporate box because I mean, honestly, guys,

1389
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:42.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm hanging by a thread.

1390
01:13:42.680 --> 01:13:42.920
<v Speaker 3>I am.

1391
01:13:43.119 --> 01:13:47.720
<v Speaker 2>I am so weary and so tired of these lows.

1392
01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:52.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, that's a really important point, Joel. I

1393
01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:54.720
<v Speaker 4>really think, yes, you are hanging by a thread. But

1394
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.079
<v Speaker 4>you know what, I know you well, and you'll hang

1395
01:13:57.119 --> 01:13:59.560
<v Speaker 4>in there. You will hang in there, and we all do.

1396
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:03.319
<v Speaker 4>We all get really frustrated. And I think this is

1397
01:14:03.359 --> 01:14:08.119
<v Speaker 4>what the club need to recognize and need to communicate

1398
01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:13.119
<v Speaker 4>to their fan base, to their members in particular. And

1399
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:16.760
<v Speaker 4>so yet we understand you guys get emotional, We understand

1400
01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:19.520
<v Speaker 4>you get frustrated. We understand that you're at the end

1401
01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:23.760
<v Speaker 4>of your tether, and we empathize with that. I think

1402
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:26.800
<v Speaker 4>the club have to recognize that because it's been a

1403
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:32.039
<v Speaker 4>long time, but the supporters of this club keep turning around,

1404
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:37.520
<v Speaker 4>turning around, turning around, getting behind the club every single time.

1405
01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:40.880
<v Speaker 4>Every time there's a disaster, every time there's sixty points

1406
01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.000
<v Speaker 4>put on us, every time a player walks out of

1407
01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:46.319
<v Speaker 4>the club, every time we lose a close match by

1408
01:14:46.359 --> 01:14:48.520
<v Speaker 4>dropping a ball over line when we should have won

1409
01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:52.880
<v Speaker 4>a game. Every single time the fan base gets back

1410
01:14:52.960 --> 01:14:56.960
<v Speaker 4>on board and supports this club and our club, the

1411
01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:59.880
<v Speaker 4>people that are responsible and have a voice in our club.

1412
01:15:00.000 --> 01:15:05.119
<v Speaker 4>I really need to recognize that and thank the membership

1413
01:15:05.600 --> 01:15:08.760
<v Speaker 4>for doing that, because it would be so easy for

1414
01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:10.760
<v Speaker 4>this club to have no one's supporting it at the

1415
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:13.920
<v Speaker 4>moment after what's happened in the last decade. But that's

1416
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.119
<v Speaker 4>not the case. So yeah, it's an important.

1417
01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:20.439
<v Speaker 3>Point, and it's really I'm not going to say it's

1418
01:15:20.439 --> 01:15:23.520
<v Speaker 3>really easy, but it is really easy for Rito and

1419
01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:26.920
<v Speaker 3>the staff. They've been dealing with this for two years.

1420
01:15:27.720 --> 01:15:30.760
<v Speaker 3>Maybe some staff have been there five years. We're up

1421
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:35.199
<v Speaker 3>to fourteen years this season without finals football. That's fourteen

1422
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:37.960
<v Speaker 3>years without being in the top half of the competition.

1423
01:15:38.760 --> 01:15:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Three wooden spoons in a row. I'm not going to

1424
01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:44.399
<v Speaker 3>predict that that we're getting the wooden spoon this year.

1425
01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:46.560
<v Speaker 3>But you've been doing it for two years, We've been

1426
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:47.439
<v Speaker 3>doing it for fourteen.

1427
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:51.600
<v Speaker 1>There's also, I mean, not to talk shop, but if

1428
01:15:51.600 --> 01:15:54.840
<v Speaker 1>you look at relationships, relationships often come to an end

1429
01:15:55.000 --> 01:15:59.560
<v Speaker 1>where relationships very rarely end in fire. They often end

1430
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in eyes. And I'm beyond beyond the motion, st just

1431
01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:03.359
<v Speaker 1>sort of.

1432
01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:04.199
<v Speaker 3>Cold about it.

1433
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:06.359
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's where I'm at with it.

1434
01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:09.399
<v Speaker 1>And I still love the club and I still see

1435
01:16:09.439 --> 01:16:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the enormous potential, but in terms of my relationship and

1436
01:16:12.720 --> 01:16:15.840
<v Speaker 1>my my care, you know, for my own well being,

1437
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I have to take that step away and not and

1438
01:16:18.560 --> 01:16:20.399
<v Speaker 1>not ride the waves so much because I've got to

1439
01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:22.239
<v Speaker 1>try and find the energy because we want to keep

1440
01:16:22.279 --> 01:16:23.439
<v Speaker 1>doing the pot for example.

1441
01:16:24.079 --> 01:16:26.680
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, Anie, I.

1442
01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:30.119
<v Speaker 5>Just was going back to the one word submission. Was

1443
01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:32.359
<v Speaker 5>there one from a guy called Katar Tiger?

1444
01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I heard that as well. Was that Steve?

1445
01:16:35.840 --> 01:16:38.640
<v Speaker 5>Was that you because you're our new war correspondent on

1446
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:40.800
<v Speaker 5>the podcast? Is that you Tiger?

1447
01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:41.840
<v Speaker 3>No?

1448
01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:43.720
<v Speaker 4>Maybe it was someone having a bit of a laugh.

1449
01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:45.199
<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but no, it's not.

1450
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:47.640
<v Speaker 5>Maybe we should move to Qatar next year.

1451
01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:51.680
<v Speaker 4>Maybe he's maybe he's going to throw a few bombs.

1452
01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:54.239
<v Speaker 5>I thought that was your job, Steve, to go over

1453
01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:56.720
<v Speaker 5>there and get some investors where we could move the team.

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<v Speaker 4>I tried Mane and I showed the highlights real and

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<v Speaker 4>they turned around and walk the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, why would you? Yeah yeah, that's a hard cell.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think clearly we've worked out that Steve is

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<v Speaker 1>in fact a c I a operative over there on Intel.

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<v Speaker 1>So gathering intel, that's my that's my conspiracy theory.

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<v Speaker 4>The gigs, the gigs are.

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<v Speaker 8>Exactly Thank you guys, thank you

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<v Speaker 5>Box, Specie Box, Speciosis