Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBS, Boston's news radio.
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Speaker 2: that journalist, that professional, was able to segue from the
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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray, and this is Nightside. Welcome
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Speaker 2: at the broadcast house, and he's the producer of this program.
Speaker 2: By the way, for those of you who are interested
Speaker 2: in what we're going to be talking about tonight, at
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Speaker 2: of that state police cadet. What a horrible, horrible story.
Speaker 2: If you haven't heard about it, stick with us at
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Speaker 2: To this young twenty five year old man from Worcester.
Speaker 2: Then later on we will talk at beginning at ten
Speaker 2: o'clock about the second assassination attempt against the life of
Speaker 2: former President Donald Trump. It's it's not an apparent attempt.
Speaker 2: I think it's an assassination attempt, whether you get a
Speaker 2: shot off or not. But we'll talk about all of
Speaker 2: that later. But we have four very interesting guests here
Speaker 2: in the eight o'clock hour and what we call the
Speaker 2: night Side News Update, And we're going to start off
Speaker 2: with Rachel Robine. Rachel, help me, is it Robine or Robin.
Speaker 3: Rubine?
Speaker 4: So the friend line.
Speaker 2: Rubine, okay, so we can get rid of that. Oh,
Speaker 2: Rubine Rubine.
Speaker 4: You got it?
Speaker 2: Okay? And you were with the Washington Post. And more
Speaker 2: labels are coming to our favorite foods. I thought we
Speaker 2: had warning labels. But what's going on with the Food
Speaker 2: and Drug Administration? Rachel?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the Food and Drug Administration is planning to
Speaker 4: propose labeling this fall, which means it would just be
Speaker 4: our proposal. It would not be finalized, but kind of
Speaker 4: the first step on putting labels on the front of
Speaker 4: food and drink packages. So the idea from SDA officials
Speaker 4: is to help Americans make healthier choices to address obesity rates.
Speaker 4: So now what the labels would be supposed to do? Again,
Speaker 4: we have not yet seen the proposal, but there were
Speaker 4: focus groups that tested potential labels, and they're supposed to
Speaker 4: flag products containing high levels of sudium, saturated fat, or
Speaker 4: added sugar. So these common features of ultra process foods
Speaker 4: that now make up more than half the calories Americans
Speaker 4: consume each day.
Speaker 2: You know, I understand it, and it sounds like a
Speaker 2: great idea, But I get I'm going to ask you
Speaker 2: this question, and I know you're a reporter, so I
Speaker 2: can leave it as a rhetorical question. But how stupid
Speaker 2: does our government, whether it's a Democrat or Republican government,
Speaker 2: think we the American people are? Haven't we figured out
Speaker 2: that ring dings taste really good, but they're probably not
Speaker 2: something you should eat at every meal. I hate to
Speaker 2: sound cynical, but I know they still have the warning
Speaker 2: labels on cigarettes. Is there anyone in America that doesn't
Speaker 2: know that cigarettes are bad for you?
Speaker 4: I can tell you a little bit about what those
Speaker 4: who are.
Speaker 2: I'm just amazed at the extent that which the government
Speaker 2: will try to explain to us what is patently obvious.
Speaker 2: Go ahead on.
Speaker 4: Sorry, right, I can tell you a little bit about
Speaker 4: what both you know, what are reporting shows that both
Speaker 4: the supporters and the opponents say, there's there are other
Speaker 4: countries that have done these kind of labels. Now they're
Speaker 4: they're a little bit different, Chile being one of the
Speaker 4: countries that has kind of the most what nutrition experts
Speaker 4: say is the most kind of nutrient, the most ambitious
Speaker 4: efforts here, and what they do in Chile is they
Speaker 4: have like black octagons and canto stock signs on food
Speaker 4: tig and calories, saturate, fat, sodium, or sugar. There's been
Speaker 4: some research that shows that these kind of easy to
Speaker 4: understand warnings are kind of most effective and helping certain
Speaker 4: consumers quickly identify and healthy products. Now, if you tach
Speaker 4: to the food industry, uh, they've sort of been pushing
Speaker 4: back against the labels. They you know, say that they're
Speaker 4: too and they question the essays authority to do these labels.
Speaker 4: And the food industry prefers a voluntary labeling system that
Speaker 4: it helped create in two thousand and eleven, which essentially
Speaker 4: food companies can sort of choose whether or not to
Speaker 4: showcase this information such as Kellerie Town or fiber on
Speaker 4: the front of packages.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny. I very much believe in
Speaker 2: the concept of a voluntary speed limit. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to criticize the companies. Now. It'd be like, if you
Speaker 2: want to go one hundred and five miles an hour
Speaker 2: and you feel you're safe, go right ahead, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy. I can understand why the companies
Speaker 2: would do this. Maybe what they should do is put
Speaker 2: like a I don't know, some sort of a symbol
Speaker 2: on everything that's in the store, say a black star,
Speaker 2: and if it's a ten, that's really really bad for you.
Speaker 2: If it's a one, or maybe the opposite, people might
Speaker 2: be confused. If it's a ten, it's really really healthy.
Speaker 2: If it's a one, Now you don't want to talk.
Speaker 2: There's just something in me, do you. I do read
Speaker 2: labels on food I buy. I mean, when I buy
Speaker 2: my Oriole cookies, I know what's on the label. But
Speaker 2: I like Oriole cookies, okay. But when I go to
Speaker 2: buy you know, my lettuce and celery and carrots and
Speaker 2: cucumbers and all of that good stuff, I know what
Speaker 2: the good stuff is, do you? I don't know. I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess there's always some government person out there who's
Speaker 2: coming up with an idea. I'll bet you you're a
Speaker 2: label reader of the stuff you.
Speaker 4: Buy, correct, I mean I think the I think what
Speaker 4: researchers want or what the idea of.
Speaker 5: This is is.
Speaker 4: You know, there's been some focus groups of mothers in
Speaker 4: Chile that should the labels improve their ability to make
Speaker 4: better nutritional choices for their families. So I guess the
Speaker 4: idea being that it's kind of right there on the front.
Speaker 4: But again, I can both sides.
Speaker 2: I got another. I got another idea. Why don't we
Speaker 2: hire a federal employee who would be posted in every
Speaker 2: aisle of every supermarket in America And when people go
Speaker 2: to reach for Oreo cookies like I do, they could
Speaker 2: be there and put our hand and say do you
Speaker 2: really want those Oo cookies? And you have to really
Speaker 2: say yes, I really want the Oreo cookies or they
Speaker 2: won't let you take the oil cookies. I don't know, Rachel,
Speaker 2: I don't know. We used to go to Mortz Supermarket
Speaker 2: where I grew up, this little little little corner of Boston,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's will come a long way. I
Speaker 2: just think we should have government bureaucrats in every aisle
Speaker 2: of every supermarket. Oh, the price of food might go up,
Speaker 2: but we'll eat more healthy. I don't know, Rachel, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I just I almost think this is funny. I know
Speaker 2: you take it more seriously. I was a reporter one time, too,
Speaker 2: and I had to walk the straight and narrow, and
Speaker 2: you have done it brilliantly. Even though I've tried my
Speaker 2: best to make you smile, I have failed miserably. But
Speaker 2: I thank you nonetheless for telling us the story straight
Speaker 2: down the middle. You did a great job.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: We'd love to have you again. And I want to
Speaker 2: follow this because I'm gonna do I'm gonna this is
Speaker 2: going to be a subject on my show later on
Speaker 2: this week, and then I'm really gonna get wild. Thanks Rachel,
Speaker 2: Say had all my pails at the Washington Post.
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks, have a good one.
Speaker 2: You too, all right, which is a really good spot,
Speaker 2: very good sport. Now we're gonna go from being a
Speaker 2: good sport to blind spots. When medicine gets it wrong
Speaker 2: and what it means for our health, that's probably not good.
Speaker 2: Doctor Marty McCarey, health expert at Johns Hopkins University, will
Speaker 2: join us right after the break. I'm going to ask
Speaker 2: doctor McCarey about this. I think he's gonna be probably
Speaker 2: more on my side. We'll see, We will see coming
Speaker 2: back on night Side right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: With me is doctor Marty McCarey. He's a health expert
Speaker 2: at Johns Hopkins University. Doctor McCarey has been a guest
Speaker 2: in this program before. Before we talk about when medicine
Speaker 2: gets it wrong and what it means for our health.
Speaker 2: I know you'll be thrilled to know. I was just
Speaker 2: talking with a really nice reporter from the Washington Post
Speaker 2: who is explaining to me how the federal government is
Speaker 2: going to put more warning labels on all of our
Speaker 2: favorite foods. I want to go one step further, doctor McCarey.
Speaker 2: I think we need a federal employee in every food aisle,
Speaker 2: in every American supermarket to tell us what to buy
Speaker 2: and what not to buy. The government knows no bounds.
Speaker 2: How are you to nice?
Speaker 5: Good to be with you, Dan, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: I was the reporter, was straight down the middle, and
Speaker 2: I just thought to myself, they have all stuff labels
Speaker 2: on food. Now I don't know, Well, I'm a bit
Speaker 2: of a libertarian.
Speaker 5: You probably know they're labeling things that are not even
Speaker 5: central to health. Like they're labeling how much saturated fat
Speaker 5: is in food. Well, saturated fat's not bad for you.
Speaker 5: That was government misinformation from the food pyramid. So I
Speaker 5: don't know if they're helping or hurting.
Speaker 2: I still like the idea of a government, a federal
Speaker 2: government employee kind of in a uniform, you know, and
Speaker 2: march up and down the aisles and tell people don't
Speaker 2: buy that, don't buy that. You know, I mean, ah,
Speaker 2: so tell us when medicine gets it wrong, and sometimes
Speaker 2: they do get it wrong, what it means for our health.
Speaker 5: So in medicine we have giant blind spots, and we're
Speaker 5: not talking about these big issues central to health, the
Speaker 5: root causes of our chronic disease epidemic. We just don't
Speaker 5: talk about them. But there's a big scientific body of evidence.
Speaker 5: And so I present those big topics to people in
Speaker 5: this new book. Blind Spots, the microbiome, gut health, how
Speaker 5: it affects mental illness and mood, are poisoned food supply,
Speaker 5: the pesticides and seed oils. People need to be educated
Speaker 5: about the truth on everything from hormone replacement therapy at
Speaker 5: the time of metopause, which has been terribly demonized despite
Speaker 5: its tremendous health benefits, to how to prevent everything from
Speaker 5: peanut allergies and to care answer. There's a lot of
Speaker 5: good information out there people need to know about.
Speaker 2: Well. Look, I've been a big fan of yours for
Speaker 2: a long time because you have always been willing to
Speaker 2: stand up for what you believe in. Obviously, your background
Speaker 2: to Johns Hopkins speaks for speaks for itself. This book
Speaker 2: is entitled blind Spots, When Medicine gets it Wrong and
Speaker 2: what it means for your health. My understanding is this
Speaker 2: book is available beginning tomorrow. The timing here could not
Speaker 2: be more perfect correct.
Speaker 5: That's why it comes out tomorrow, and it's already it
Speaker 5: already just hit the number two best selling book in
Speaker 5: America on Amazon. So hopefully we won't run out in bookstores.
Speaker 5: But it comes out tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Well, if only we would run out, they would have
Speaker 2: to have more printed. So one of the things here
Speaker 2: you address is peenod allergies. Now I've always been confused
Speaker 2: by that. There's I guess there are some kids who
Speaker 2: have peena analogies. Is that true?
Speaker 5: Yes, peenadalergies are real and they're fairly common, but not
Speaker 5: in Africa or parts of Europe or Southeast Asia. And
Speaker 5: it's not because their genes are different. What happened is
Speaker 5: in the United States twenty four years ago, the medical establishment,
Speaker 5: in its sort of hubris.
Speaker 2: Or infinitism or is infinite wisdom.
Speaker 5: Infinite wisdom, they told parents. They ordered parents to avoid
Speaker 5: all peanut butter for kids ages zero through three, no
Speaker 5: peanut products, and that abstinence created immune sensitivities. They got
Speaker 5: it perfectly backwards for fifteen years and it was just
Speaker 5: recently corrected.
Speaker 2: So by having kids not have peanut butter and sandwiches
Speaker 2: and jelly sandwiches with you and I probably grew up on,
Speaker 2: these little kids never developed an immunity to whatever problem
Speaker 2: that might be. And that's why we have so many
Speaker 2: kids today who have peena analogies. I assume you're going to.
Speaker 5: Tell us, yeah, and it's the old theory and it
Speaker 5: you know. What happened was once they ignited this peanut
Speaker 5: allergy epidemic in the year two thousand with this bad recommendation.
Speaker 5: Then all these kids had such sensitivities they had to
Speaker 5: avoid all peanut products in their homes and sometimes in
Speaker 5: the schools. And then other kids did not get early
Speaker 5: peanut exposure, and it became this perpetual cycle. It became
Speaker 5: a self licking ice cream cone. And here we are
Speaker 5: today where peanut allergies dominate our pediatric clinics. And this
Speaker 5: is a major health problem that by and large was
Speaker 5: ignited by medical dogmat just like opioids were not addictive
Speaker 5: for thirty years. Igniting the opioid epidemic and the food
Speaker 5: pyramid was healthy for you, igniting the modern day obesey epidemic.
Speaker 5: We don't have a good track record when we don't
Speaker 5: use good scientific evidence to make these broad recommendation.
Speaker 2: I'm surprised that they're still passing out and maybe on
Speaker 2: some airlines they're not passing out penits anymore. But whenever
Speaker 2: I see them passing out penuts on an airplane, I'm
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, what happens if how does this happen?
Speaker 2: Within medicine. Look, there's no more rigorous education, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: that anyone can be subjected to. They're going to medical school.
Speaker 2: You know, if you can figure out organic chemistry, you're
Speaker 2: a better a lot smarter than me, and a lot
Speaker 2: smarter than even fairly intelligent Americans. Why is it hubris?
Speaker 2: Is it hubris that someone comes up with a theory
Speaker 2: and they work to sort of like conclusionary analysis. They
Speaker 2: work to find the information which will support the theory
Speaker 2: that they want to espouse. Is that sort of a
Speaker 2: conclusionary analysis? Is that? Is that the trap they fall into.
Speaker 5: It's really the hubris of a small group of doctors
Speaker 5: at the top who control role the medical establishment, who
Speaker 5: write the curriculum for every medical school in the country.
Speaker 5: It's not the rank and file health professional. Doctors are
Speaker 5: smart people, Nurses, physician assistance. Everyone I know who's in
Speaker 5: healthcare is a good person. But what we've done to
Speaker 5: American health professionals is a tragedy. We've told them to
Speaker 5: put their head down and focus on billing and coding
Speaker 5: in these short visits they throw medic people and then
Speaker 5: we measure these doctors by their throughput. And guess what,
Speaker 5: when you stop and look up and look around, we're
Speaker 5: doing terrible as a country. We are so sick, we're
Speaker 5: going backwards. Half of our nation's kids are obese or overweight.
Speaker 5: Pediatricians would rarely see a case of type two diabetes,
Speaker 5: and the children in a child in their entire career.
Speaker 5: Now it's like one in three kids that is born
Speaker 5: today will develop type two diabetes, and about fifteen percent
Speaker 5: we'll have those signs in childhood. Autism's going up by
Speaker 5: fourteen percent every year for the last twenty three years.
Speaker 5: And in my field of pancreatic cancer rates have doubled.
Speaker 5: Cancer rates have doubled in the last two decades. What
Speaker 5: is going on here? We have got to stop just
Speaker 5: this whack a mole hammer approach. We've done a terrible
Speaker 5: thing to doctors. We have not given them the time
Speaker 5: or resources to look at the root causes. And we've
Speaker 5: got to look in our blind spots and address I had.
Speaker 2: An incredible doctor. I had an incredible doctor for about
Speaker 2: thirty five years, and he said almost everything you just
Speaker 2: said to me, how it became just a burden to
Speaker 2: try to practice medicine. You were basically an accountant and
Speaker 2: an amana whences, and a record keeper, and it just
Speaker 2: kind of overwhelmed him, and he was a great doctor.
Speaker 2: Can I ask you one of the question off topic,
Speaker 2: because I truly believe this. We need more meta schools
Speaker 2: in America. Too many young smart kids getting out of
Speaker 2: college who can handle organic chemistry have to go offshore
Speaker 2: offshore to get their medical degree. Am I right or
Speaker 2: wrong on that in your opinion?
Speaker 5: Well, right now, we do need more doctors, but we
Speaker 5: also need them in rural areas and taken care of
Speaker 5: foreign minority communities. And right now a lot of the
Speaker 5: doctors stay in the cities and they all want to
Speaker 5: be you know, dermatologists and orthopedic surgeons. We've got to
Speaker 5: take care of the whole person. We worship and glorify
Speaker 5: sub specialists, and I'm not trashing them. I am one
Speaker 5: of them. I am very highly specialized in pancreous surgery.
Speaker 5: But we have the most over medicated population in the
Speaker 5: history of the world. More medical care is not the solution.
Speaker 5: We've got to look at these the root causes. Our
Speaker 5: food supply has been poisoned. We have engineered highly active
Speaker 5: ingredients and additives. Some of these ingredients have been banned
Speaker 5: in Europe and but we still use them here. And
Speaker 5: we have seed oils that are not even natural, they're
Speaker 5: just byproducts of manufacturing and denaturing, and they're really chemicals
Speaker 5: we're cooking with. And we've got pesticides that if they
Speaker 5: kill pests, what do you think they're doing to the
Speaker 5: gut micro the bacteria. So we're messing up our gut health.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this. This book. People need to
Speaker 2: get it if if you're a single, if you have
Speaker 2: a family, if you're a grandparent, if you're a parent.
Speaker 2: Blind Spots When Medicine gets it Wrong and what it
Speaker 2: means for our health. Doctor Marty McCarey. He's a brilliant,
Speaker 2: brilliant doctor uh and also a brilliant writer and is
Speaker 2: now he's a New York Times bestselling author Blind Spots
Speaker 2: When Medicine Gets It Wrong, What it Means for your health.
Speaker 2: Check it out tonight on Amazon. Get it before they're gone.
Speaker 2: Doctor McCarey has always I so appreciate every time you
Speaker 2: come on night Side. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Great to be with you, Dan, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Let'll talk so okay, when we get back, we're going
Speaker 2: to change topics and we're going to talk about with
Speaker 2: him with a guest, who's going to tell us that
Speaker 2: Parrington parenting having kids can be hazardous to your health.
Speaker 2: This should be an interesting conversation right after the news
Speaker 2: break at the bottom of the.
Speaker 1: Hour night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, want to welcome Carly Church. There's a surgeon
Speaker 2: general's warning. This sounds pretty bizarre, but I'm sure Carly
Speaker 2: is going to explain it. Parenting may be hazardous to
Speaker 2: your health. Carly is a working mom with three kids
Speaker 2: that's a full time job, founder of a mastermind group
Speaker 2: for women called We Got Your Mama. Carly. Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: I am great? Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: It's about time, right, I think it's about time that
Speaker 3: we made this known, made this nationally known, and really
Speaker 3: focused on.
Speaker 2: Maybe hazardous to your health, But for me, as the
Speaker 2: parent of two kids, it's the most important and fulfilling
Speaker 2: thing I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it can be both. I think I often
Speaker 3: in life, some of the most challenging things tend to
Speaker 3: be the most rewarding, right you know, Carley, I.
Speaker 2: Worked in television for thirty one years before I started
Speaker 2: doing this radio show. In two thousand and seven, and
Speaker 2: for eleven of those years I worked the early morning shift.
Speaker 2: I would get up at three point fifteen in the morning,
Speaker 2: three o'clock in the morning, and I would have been
Speaker 2: on a hockey rink at ten o'clock the night before,
Speaker 2: teaching kids to skate or to hockey, and I would
Speaker 2: those are the eleven best years of my life. So
Speaker 2: tell us what's going on. When the phrase hazardous to
Speaker 2: your health, that's a pretty strong phrase.
Speaker 3: It is a strong phrase, and I think they're really
Speaker 3: recognizing that this mental health issue that we are facing,
Speaker 3: and it's you know, is beyond this day and age.
Speaker 3: And the majority of them are parents that are really
Speaker 3: struggling with their mental health and they're finding this huge
Speaker 3: rise in children and in teens, and it's something they've
Speaker 3: never seen before, right, So what are we linking it to?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: What are we finding out? So all these studies are
Speaker 3: out right, I mean, the previous certain general warnings are
Speaker 3: are about teams, are about social media, are about screen
Speaker 3: time and all the sort of things, you know, So
Speaker 3: we're just really linking those all together. And parents, you know,
Speaker 3: they are in charge of.
Speaker 2: The what is the solution if there is one or
Speaker 2: is this simply an opportunity to recognize reality.
Speaker 3: I think it's I mean, I think it's okay. I
Speaker 3: think the call to action needs to be where can
Speaker 3: I find the support and really really really searching for
Speaker 3: that support, something that resonates with you. I think majority
Speaker 3: of parents, I mean, there's studies out there quarter of
Speaker 3: them are feeling beyond lonely. I mean, I mean I
Speaker 3: live in Los Angeles, California, and I was like, I
Speaker 3: would like to maybe feel a little bit more separation
Speaker 3: from the massive amounts of people here. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, I completely resonate with that. After giving birth
Speaker 3: and struggling, you know, with raising kids, we can feel
Speaker 3: really lonely. So getting out of our comfort zone and
Speaker 3: connecting with other parents is key. And that's what I
Speaker 3: do in my business. It's connecting parents to each other,
Speaker 3: connecting them to experts, getting them to help they need
Speaker 3: that they didn't think that they had.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: I was in a class this morning, speaking to speaking
Speaker 3: to a bunch of women. There's about fifty people there
Speaker 3: in the class, and I was talking to some of
Speaker 3: them afterwards, and she was like, this is all new
Speaker 3: for me. I haven't had to like, go out and
Speaker 3: connect with other moms and bring my baby because I
Speaker 3: used to going back to work. Childcare prices have versen
Speaker 3: twenty six percent PLF decade, and so she's like, I
Speaker 3: can't actually afford childcare and to go back to work.
Speaker 3: Yet we're still making it, receiving some of that that
Speaker 3: pay cut, right, that is detrimental. She's like, I don't
Speaker 3: know if I can join your membership because I don't
Speaker 3: know if I can afford it, because I haven't been
Speaker 3: in this position before. So they're having to choose, which
Speaker 3: is depressing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me throw a challenging question at you, kind
Speaker 2: of a two question. Back in the so called good
Speaker 2: old days, which weren't necessarily a good old days for
Speaker 2: a lot of people, we had these kind of extended
Speaker 2: families living in communities, so there was a grandma and
Speaker 2: a grandpa, maybe there were two sets of grandmas and grandpa's,
Speaker 2: and the people had kind of a family built around them.
Speaker 2: Now we become much more mobile, So we grow up
Speaker 2: in Boston, but we live in La or we grew
Speaker 2: up in la and we live in Miami, and we
Speaker 2: get disconnected from the aunts and the uncles and the relatives.
Speaker 2: I wonder how much of this problem is around people
Speaker 2: I kind of imagine want to be to live in LA.
Speaker 2: I live in Boston, and Boston drives me crazy if
Speaker 2: I have to drive anywhere. Okay, I can't imagine what
Speaker 2: it must do to you in LA. Particularly if you've
Speaker 2: got one kid going to a soccer game and someone
Speaker 2: else going to a basketball game or whatever. It's small.
Speaker 3: They just came up with uber teens, and I was like, brilliant,
Speaker 3: I need that in my life.
Speaker 4: Can I for it?
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but I need someone else starting my
Speaker 3: kid around because I have three against two.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of the complaints here. It seems to me you're from
Speaker 2: folks who are living in the big city. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of people who live in small town America. It's
Speaker 2: easier to live in a smaller community and to get
Speaker 2: to know people more. I have friends of mine who
Speaker 2: live in Boston or who live in other cities, and
Speaker 2: they live in a big building, but they don't know
Speaker 2: anyone else in the big building. Do we need to
Speaker 2: kind of turn our lives around a little bit, you know,
Speaker 2: and say, hey, maybe LA and Boston are they're great
Speaker 2: if you're in the movies, or if you're media, or
Speaker 2: if you're a Red Sox player. But maybe people got
Speaker 2: to think about smaller towns. I don't know. Am I
Speaker 2: crazy when I suggest that?
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: I just spent a week in Texas right at different events,
Speaker 3: and I was able to visit some different friends, and
Speaker 3: I couldn't help but start looking online for houses and
Speaker 3: asking all my friends if we're ready to all live
Speaker 3: in a you know, our own form of compound in
Speaker 3: a neighborhood and create our own community. Because all of
Speaker 3: one hundred percent, every single one of them are on board,
Speaker 3: and we're at this point we're like, I don't think
Speaker 3: we're kidding anymore. Used to be a joke, right, and
Speaker 3: now we're like, actually, we're beyond burnt out and we
Speaker 3: can't do this. We can't do this alone anymore. It's
Speaker 3: become too difficult.
Speaker 2: I took a friend of mine to dinner last night.
Speaker 2: My wife had gone back to Boston. We're down the Cape.
Speaker 2: A friend of mine to this really neat restaurant that
Speaker 2: was two miles from where we live that I just
Speaker 2: got introduced to it about two weeks ago. This guy's
Speaker 2: lived for forty two years down on the Cape, he
Speaker 2: had never gone to that restaurant. You know, we all
Speaker 2: of us need to kind of branch out a little
Speaker 2: bit more and maybe just extend our our group of
Speaker 2: friends and rely more in our family. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm at base to somebody who who can
Speaker 2: often thinks about the good old days, and I don't want.
Speaker 2: I know that there was a lot of tough stuff
Speaker 2: in the good old days, domestic abuse and all of that,
Speaker 2: But why can't we get rid of, you know, get
Speaker 2: rid of the bad stuff, but kind of rekindle that spirit,
Speaker 2: that community spirit that I think did exist more, you know,
Speaker 2: forty or fifty years ago. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what that is. If it's trust issues,
Speaker 3: Like it's a big thing in LA for people to
Speaker 3: not know their neighbors. And I'm like, if you're worried,
Speaker 3: it should almost be more of a reason too good
Speaker 3: to know your neighbors, because if you don't know.
Speaker 4: Them, you don't know.
Speaker 3: Or a bad person. So why don't we assume the
Speaker 3: best and assume that they're great, you know, and then
Speaker 3: reach out to them? And I mean, I I finally
Speaker 3: did that mind we just moved you off the street
Speaker 3: and around the corner, and they have a kid, you know,
Speaker 3: my my youngest daughter's age, and you're able to like swap.
Speaker 3: And my thirteen year old is now baby seating for
Speaker 3: them and making a little extra cash, and she's getting
Speaker 3: a break like she's needed, a mental like break. And
Speaker 3: it's all connection, and it's getting enough courage sometimes for
Speaker 3: someone that's just step outside and get out of our
Speaker 3: comfort zone and make that connection, and we're all better
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 2: Carl, you and I should work on a book together.
Speaker 2: Your point of view, my point. If you merge them here,
Speaker 2: I think it would be a big success. The book
Speaker 2: is the group is called we Got You Mama. What's
Speaker 2: the website?
Speaker 3: We awesome, Yes, it's we Got You Mama dot com.
Speaker 3: And we have you know, we have lots of support
Speaker 3: other What I do is I support moms in every
Speaker 3: age and stage of motherhood and we link mom's to
Speaker 3: mom mom's experts and every season about every quarter, we
Speaker 3: put together a whole show and so we have you know,
Speaker 3: twenty to twenty five experts, a series of interviews, and
Speaker 3: then we do Q and a's about every other month
Speaker 3: where people can come on and really be connected to
Speaker 3: all these experts. My goal is to keep us all connected,
Speaker 3: even globally. Once you're a mother, with your parent, your
Speaker 3: parent for life, right and so whether that's learning how
Speaker 3: to parent your adult child or you know, when you're
Speaker 3: in the throes of postpartum recovery, there's a space for that.
Speaker 3: Even if you're not ready to step outside and reach
Speaker 3: out to a community, that you can find some spaces
Speaker 3: online to really really get that help and support you need.
Speaker 2: Sounds great. We have so much online connections and with
Speaker 2: so much disconnected because we spend so much time in
Speaker 2: front of our computers. Calling church. I enjoyed this very much.
Speaker 2: I'd love to have you back. I think we could
Speaker 2: do a whole hour on this sometime we made. It's
Speaker 2: true with phone calls Carly in nin ten o'clock or
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock hours.
Speaker 5: Okay, sure, I love that absolutely, La for you.
Speaker 2: It's like dinner time. So we'll work any time. Thanks God.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go Drew us some dinner
Speaker 3: together for my kids. I don't know what that is yet,
Speaker 3: but you know we're gonna sit down and connect. Do
Speaker 3: that high count.
Speaker 2: Well, the most important thing you do is at dinner
Speaker 2: with your kids.
Speaker 5: Yeah, every Sunday.
Speaker 1: Got it.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 5: That if you if you have.
Speaker 2: The ability to do that or the opportunity. Yeah, thank
Speaker 2: you very much for car Church. We got your Mama
Speaker 2: dot Com. We're coming back on Nightside. We're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about something we all can agree on. The Red Sox.
Speaker 2: Alex Spear of the Boston Globe. Tough weekend in the Bronx,
Speaker 2: but they're still alive. So you say we got a chance, Yes,
Speaker 2: we do. It might be one in a million, but
Speaker 2: we still have a chance. Back with Alex Spear on
Speaker 2: night Side right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nights Sight Studios. I'm doing Bzy News Radio.
Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by a great sports report, the
Speaker 2: Boston Globe. Alex Spear, Hey, Alex, welcome to Night Side.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm great, Thanks so much for having me. Dan.
Speaker 2: Well, you're one of the best, I mean, your Globe
Speaker 2: sports reporter. I've read your work. I've seen your ballparks,
Speaker 2: you know, not the major league ballparks, but minor league ballparks.
Speaker 2: The Red Sox right now are a five hundred baseball team.
Speaker 2: They have been that for most of the year, but
Speaker 2: their hopes are still alive. It's like dumber, dumber, Jim
Speaker 2: Carrey says, you mean, I got a chance? What do
Speaker 2: they have? They have to literally, they got twelve games left.
Speaker 2: If they don't go ten and two, it's there's no
Speaker 2: way they're going to make this. Would you agree?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that it's, you know, at best a
Speaker 5: long shot, but it requires them certainly sweeping the Twins
Speaker 5: when when Minnesota visits Boston next weekend, and then winning
Speaker 5: nearly every other game that they play outside of that,
Speaker 5: with maybe a couple of exceptions, as you know, because
Speaker 5: not only are the Red Sox trying to run down
Speaker 5: the Twins at this point with a pretty sizeable gap
Speaker 5: there of four and a half games between them and Minnesota,
Speaker 5: but also the Tigers have kind of streaked by the
Speaker 5: Red Sox at this point as well, and they're playing
Speaker 5: They've been outstanding in the second half, as good as
Speaker 5: any team in the American League and since the All
Speaker 5: Star break, and the Tigers have the good fortune of
Speaker 5: finishing their season against the worst team in baseball, arguably
Speaker 5: the worst team in baseball history, in the Chicago White
Speaker 5: Sox unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And I still remember that four game series in Chicago.
Speaker 2: I think it was late June when when the best
Speaker 2: the Red Sox could do was a split against a
Speaker 2: really pathetic baseball team. What do they need to do
Speaker 2: next year? I mean, I hate to think about next year.
Speaker 2: Well we always will think about next year. But you know,
Speaker 2: I think Cassis is going to be fine. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, Duran has exceeded all expectations. A bray You's
Speaker 2: done very very well. I don't know if O'Neill's going
Speaker 2: to be here. You got a bray you. You have
Speaker 2: Devers at third wongs, very very pleasant surprise. Some of
Speaker 2: the people in the bullpen, they're respected. I like this
Speaker 2: guy Fits. I mean, what do they need? Two big
Speaker 2: time starters, that's what they really need. Would you agree
Speaker 2: or do you have to look somewhere else? I know
Speaker 2: they complain about defense, but defense can be fixed.
Speaker 5: I think we can't take for granted how easy it
Speaker 5: is to fix defense. But there is nonetheless a pathway
Speaker 5: for significant, significant improvement. If Trevor Story can stay on
Speaker 5: the field, which is a big if, and then the
Speaker 5: players that are coming behind him, there are the Red
Speaker 5: Sox have players in Triple A in both Marcella Meyer,
Speaker 5: who's a shortstop, in Christian Campbell, who can play all
Speaker 5: over the field, but whose best position is probably second
Speaker 5: base right now. Those guys would be candidates to help
Speaker 5: shore up the team in two different directions. They need
Speaker 5: they need standout players. They don't just need to kind
Speaker 5: of fill holes. They need to they need to find
Speaker 5: guys who can kind of raise the entire raise both
Speaker 5: the ceiling and the floor of what they want the
Speaker 5: team to be. So I think at least one kind
Speaker 5: of top of the rotation starting pitcher is long overdue
Speaker 5: for the Red Sox, who have been content for a
Speaker 5: number of years. Ever since the Chrissale trade, they've mostly
Speaker 5: been content to acquire mid rotation guys or less. I
Speaker 5: think that, you know, especially if you look past you know,
Speaker 5: aside from Nativaldi, who was re signed right after the
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen World Series, most of the guys have been
Speaker 5: kind of more back end caliber starters, whether or not
Speaker 5: they need to. I mean, you can obviously look at
Speaker 5: the team as it's currently constructed and say that, but
Speaker 5: I think that, you know, they get Lucas Giolito, back
Speaker 5: or Garrett Whitlock back next year to complement the group
Speaker 5: of Brian be o'tanner, houck In, Cutter Crawford. That's a
Speaker 5: pretty good inventory, a pretty good starting point that gives them.
Speaker 5: Not only that gives them kind of and you also
Speaker 5: mentioned Richard Fitz quality depth candidates. Again, this is about
Speaker 5: adding to the top and giving them giving themselves a
Speaker 5: chance to have a guy who can lead the rotation.
Speaker 5: And then on top of that, they need right handed
Speaker 5: power that was missing at many times this year. And
Speaker 5: that's even with Tyler O'Neill, who's already exceeded thirty home
Speaker 5: runs this season. He's a free agent, as you point out,
Speaker 5: so especially if he departs in a place like Fenway Park,
Speaker 5: where you have the ability to kind of just loft
Speaker 5: a fly ball and have it reached the monster seats,
Speaker 5: they would do very well to think about ways that
Speaker 5: they can add right handed power, and that might mean
Speaker 5: trading some of the very promising young left handed hitters
Speaker 5: that they have, whether that be a trade for pitchers
Speaker 5: or for right handed bats. But yeah, I think that
Speaker 5: overall they kind of need to aim a little bit
Speaker 5: higher than where they've been.
Speaker 2: Well, they already did that. When they traded a Red
Speaker 2: Sox prospect for the picture from the Pirates, who has
Speaker 2: languished at a triple A.
Speaker 5: I thought I would I would dispute that assessment. He's
Speaker 5: actually he's actually shown some pretty promising signs of improvement.
Speaker 5: But I would still characterize that's Quinn Priest who's been
Speaker 5: in triple A, and I would say that he's someone
Speaker 5: who kind of slots into that more rotation depth mold.
Speaker 2: Rather than know I was saying, was I was hoping
Speaker 2: that he would get a shot, you know, because at
Speaker 2: this point there, I mean, I'm surprised. I was very
Speaker 2: I think what Fits has done in his two starts,
Speaker 2: and again that's small sample size, great, but I thought
Speaker 2: that they would give this this fellow for the Pirates chance,
Speaker 2: And wouldn't it be great if we get Chris Saale back.
Speaker 2: People will be weeping and moaning when sales become it's
Speaker 2: the cy young in the National League.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's a pretty extraordinary turn of events. And obviously
Speaker 5: I think that, you know, at the time of the trade,
Speaker 5: everyone said, well, you know, he was so unreliable that
Speaker 5: it made sense for the Red Sox to look, you're
Speaker 5: dealing with him, so I write and instead this year
Speaker 5: he's taken the ball every time and he is going
Speaker 5: to just he's probably unanimously win the National League so young,
Speaker 5: and look, I think that there are two separate things there.
Speaker 5: Right giving up Chris Sale, you can understand where the
Speaker 5: Red Sox were coming from in terms of the decision
Speaker 5: to trade him and not let me trade him, but
Speaker 5: pay the majority of his contra contract for this season
Speaker 5: to Atlanta. But I think that the wound from that
Speaker 5: is amplified by the fact that Von Grissom, who is
Speaker 5: the player they got back for Sale, he really did
Speaker 5: nothing this year and he's he's shown some promising flashes
Speaker 5: this month as the Triple A season winds down, But
Speaker 5: the fact that that the Red Sox are looking for
Speaker 5: promising signs from him in Triple as the season winds
Speaker 5: down kind of underscores the problem there.
Speaker 2: You know, alex As always talk baseball, and I love
Speaker 2: talking baseball with you with you do such a great job.
Speaker 2: We've gone into the newscast, so I have to apologize
Speaker 2: to my producer, but thanks so much for being with us.
Speaker 2: Will love to have you back. When Sale is named
Speaker 2: the nominee the younger woman, probably sometime in mid November.
Speaker 5: Okay, sounds good, look forward to it.
Speaker 2: Thanks Alex, I have a great one. Sorry everybody. I
Speaker 2: love baseball. Let's go to the news