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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos, I am Dana Valley coming

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at you with more Yensen of the NBA Podcast, fame

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of the Yaka Sports, Fame of Orks, Fame of Only Fans, celebrity.

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We are here to talk about with the NBA regular

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season coming to a close, before we kind of get

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into the nitty gritty of the playoffs, then we have

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to do offseason content. We're like, wow, like a month

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away at least from that really picking up. When there

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are so few teams playing, we want to kind of

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take stock of just the coaching landscape. We've done a

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lot of are these teams screwed? Who has the best futures?

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We've done that exercise a handful of times. This is

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adjacent to that, but it's just it's good to have

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a look at. Okay, as the regular season comes to

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an end, which teams are going to be taking stock

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of their head coaching situations that you know, make the

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lottery or just don't make the playoffs or even you know.

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The more interesting discussion is the teams that could see

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their coaching situations impacted by the outcome of the playoffs,

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so not necessarily blowing it up. Sometime I mean the

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easiest thing to change as the coach. We all know that,

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and for a lot of these teams that might be

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what they consider their only option before we get started.

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Speaker 2: More, how are you doing doing well? Sir?

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Speaker 3: Doing well? Kind of counting down the days for the

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regular season. It's funny, right, because the more important the

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NBA season becomes, the less work I always feel like

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I have to do, because instead of covering thirty teams,

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you kind of cut fourteen teams off and you say,

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all right, like of active team, it's going to be

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sixteen initially. And I feel like my workload kind of

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decreases a little bit as the playoffs get rolling, which

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feels counterintuitive. So I'm very much looking forward to shelving

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the eighty hour work weeks and just kind of say,

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all right, let's get back down to.

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Speaker 2: A normal level.

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Speaker 1: I find myself at the moment fatigued by like the

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March April basketball still of it all, because we have

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like the tie break the Eastern Conference playoff picture. I'm

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just over like it's a four or five to six

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race at this point, and it's just like we know

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what the six teams are gonna be. The play in

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doesn't move me because none of those teams are going anywhere,

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But like all this West stuff is happening, and so

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like those games have been like high stakes, like looking

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at you know what the Rockets were able to do

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the Warriors the other night. At the same time, there

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are some teams that just continue to miss guys with injuries.

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Denver with Jamal Murray that it's just I'm ready for

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I want people to be healthy in the playoffs to

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be even higher stakes. But thankfully we do have at

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least the fascinating races for seating in the Western Conference,

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which remain hell fire. Let's dive in. Think we should

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begin with the coaches that shouldn't qualify for this list,

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which they're basically there on an interim basis, and there

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are three unless we're missing everyone we have. Tumas is

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slow in Memphis after they fired Taylor Jenkins. His case

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is interesting because doesn't it seem like he would be

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considered the favorite to land the gig based off how

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aggressive they weren't adding him to the assistant staff or

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are you kind of at the point where don't ask

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me what Memphis is doing?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, no, little latter because like that late

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we can take anyway of anything away

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from that yet, but it is interesting, and we do

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know he's offensive minded, Like this is a roster that

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could need more offensive creativity, especially moving forward. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: What's what Mitch Johnson in San Antonio, which is just

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I guess you'd call him an interim head coach. It's

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just he's he's warming Greg Popovic's spot. There was the

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reporting that following his stroke from ESPN that it's still

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gonna come down to, you know, it's Greg Popovich's option

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whether he wants to return. He had some you know,

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pretty insightful quotes to his team Apparently. I don't know

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what to make of that situation. I would love to

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see pop on the sideline again, but you're also in

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the territory of we just hope that he's he's healthy,

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and so that situation is like you can't really forecast

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anything because even if you say, oh, Popovich isn't going

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to come back, I don't like, would Mitch Johnson be

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considered the favorite to retain the position, Like remember when

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it felt like this succession plan was pretty clearly in

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place in San Antonio, but Popovich's coach for so long

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that it's kind of just become this opaque situation, which

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is again it's fine, but it makes it tougher to

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, so.

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Speaker 3: I've I've been around this person a little bit because

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they were in Paris as well, and I just want

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to say this, mits Johnson has done a hell of

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a job. Like I asked Chris Paul about, you know,

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his thoughts on this whole thing, because like when Chris

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signed obviously he didn't know how things would shake out

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and everything, and he was just like, no, Mitch is

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a hooper. Mitch just has his engaged like there wasn't

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a single bad word. And I'm not expecting Chris Paul

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of all people to come out and talk trash. But

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like I've stayed you know, pretty you know, in tune

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with where the team is going and like with how

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players are feeling about Mitch. And whenever I asked some

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questions as well, he gave me really good answers, like

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really thoughtful answers, Like I think this guy has done

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a remarkable in San Antonio, Like he didn't know what

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to expect there. He got thrown into it in a

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very public manner like injuries in and out. Wemby goes

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down after forty six games as well. I know they're

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losing a ton of games and people are like, well,

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how good can he really be?

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Speaker 2: Like really good?

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Speaker 3: He's the way that he has everyone on the same page,

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the complete buy in.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if Pop returns or not.

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and say

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anything about that because I have no idea. All I

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know is that if Mitch Johnson is ever finding himself

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as a coach free agent out there, a lot of

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teams should be interested.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, depending on how many have openings, Like if they're

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not ready to commit in San Antonia, I would say,

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of seen stuff with the way they might use Jeremy Sohan,

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some of the guys off the bench, even Calden Johnson,

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that I would assume that he would be a pretty

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serious candidate should Pop not return. But even if he's not,

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to see will he want to stay there or will

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will he get interviews for any of these? What one?

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that might materialize from there. I think our third one

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would be interim head coaches Mike Budenholzer and Phoenix. I'm

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glad you caught that it is actually Doug Christy in Sacramento.

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Speaker 1: My question to you is, will Vadi DeVos be coaching

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and GMing the Kings next year?

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Speaker 3: God, you really want to do that to Kings fans

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right now? Just opening up that door, man, They haven't

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hard enough. Look as much fun as it would be

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to see the two thousand and two Kings somehow return,

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out like for the job long term. We'll see what happens, though,

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because I feel like the coaching question in Sacramento is

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like not a big priority right now. It's more along

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the lines of what about some bonus? Is he gonna

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stick around? Like what is going to happen to the

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rest of this team? Like is there even in playing

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in place? It feels like everything that's a bigger question

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is like roster related or ownership like related, like head coach.

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I feel like it's like way down on the list

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of priorities.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's a trickle down because we know who's

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the owner is going to be. But I would wonder

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how safe is Monte McNair's job, just because if heads

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are going to roll, you would think that the front

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office could be in play there. The fact that they

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did fire Mike Brown kind of makes me think that

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McNair is, if you don't want to call him safe,

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but will be the one. You know, they let him

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make the darn Fox trade and then he does the

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Mike Brown firing as well. I would think he'd be

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the one making this decision, which I think would allow

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us to discuss head coaches. But again, I think you know,

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they had that kind of post Doug Christy bump immediately

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after the firing. That's definitely set down. They were playing

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so well in crunch time, they couldn't possibly have got

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excuse me, playing so poorly in crunch time. They couldn't

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possibly have gotten much worse from there. I think that

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you've seen This is more of a comment on the

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team's depth, but like the issues are the same, Like

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the defense can just yeah, if it gets set, it

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might be okay. They have some lineups that can figure

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it out. Doug Christy has to be heavy, relying, heavily

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relyant on his key guys because there are questions about

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the depth. Kean Allis has generally played more under him.

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I think that's good. And he's shooting like forty five

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percent from three while still playing solid defense under Christy.

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So these are all all the interim guys I would

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expect like they will be in the running. I do think,

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you know, these are all teams because of the Popovich ties,

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and then of course, just what the Grizzlies and uh,

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excuse me Grizzlies and as I'm choking over here, Grizzlies

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and Kings are doing. You might not want to hazard

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a guess. I kind of feel like Elow of every

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of all the three that we talked has the strongest

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chance of being the head coach of the team that

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he's currently chaperoning right now. Would be my stants, you

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want to, I'll let you have the first pick the

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coach we talk about.

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Speaker 3: Can we like we almost have to start right with

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the guy who we all were like, what the hell?

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that Milwaukee is the top five seed in the East,

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but at the same time, it's doc like he tends

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to pick up good regular seasons and in the playoffs

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we'll see. I think he is a guy we shouldn't

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you know, plays as the guy moving forward next year necessarily,

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well after the All Star break overall, Like, there's nothing

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right now that's super pressing. What I feel like, this

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is still a team that could flame the hell out

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in the playoffs. And if they do, like, if they

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get bounced in the first round, are we not gonna

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thing to do is make a coaching change.

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Speaker 2: Are we sure Milwaukee wouldn't go that route?

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Speaker 3: If they get completely curb stomped in the first round, you.

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Speaker 1: Have to at least consider it, right if the plan

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is to run back Damian Lillard and Yannis attend to

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Kombo and I don't think what helps is we're having

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this discussion right now. It's not just that the playoffs

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have not taken place. It's that is Damian Lillard even

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going to be a participant right in them because of

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the DVT in his CAF. So I think you look

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at it, but it almost kind of feels like if

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you're now making like another head coaching change within this

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two or two and a half year window, do you

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almost think that, okay, has the Yanni situation gone to

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crap at that point and so are you just making

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a head coaching change because you made such a roster

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overhaul or do you think that it is This has

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become an interesting debate among Bucks fans, and they're more

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divided than I expected them to be. I have fallen

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into the camp that just because of how your picks

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are owed and spread across across the league until Jannis

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says that he doesn't want to be there. I'm just

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trying to ride this thing out. But a lot of

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Bucks fans and I'm sure media people believe that, well,

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you should just move him now, get the best return

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possible and start over. Which if you're going that route,

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we know you'll get rid of Doc Rivers because that's

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not really his thing. Do you think it's more likely

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that they get rid of Doc rivers and try and

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basically run it back or improve on the margins. Or

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Speaker 3: I will say what side I fall into with Gianna specifically,

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because that kind of dictates everything. You have to just,

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like you said, right with him as long as you

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possibly can. Giannis is the type of guy who occasionally

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like goes to the media and says something sort of

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like insinuating, Hey, you know what, like I have options,

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and it's always like to motivate the inner workings of

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the front office to get something done.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to leave Milwaukee. He's super loyal.

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Speaker 3: He's like a very what do you call like the

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people who like comfort, who wants to stay a homebody?

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Speaker 2: That was the word I was looking for.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's particularly interested in moving off like

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he's one of the title first and foremost. I think

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that just getting that monkey off his back is huge.

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That means that there's less pressure of that whole situation.

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But I do think he still wants to be in

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a competitive market, like on a competitive team. He wants

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to fight for another ring. He wants to do all

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those things. The question is the roster is one thing

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you have the coaching staff. There's still questions around that,

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like can you get anything, Like let's say Dame is

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going to be fine? Can you get younger if you

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pivot off him? If so, how better can you even

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get better? In that regard? I'm not sure. It does

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feel like eventually something's going to give here because the

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Bucks can't keep getting older and older, like they have

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to become younger. And that's where we run into the

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Doc Rivers problem, like is he going to play young

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guys where the organ is gonna need them to get

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investment minutes on the court to develop, or are they

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going to look at that and goes, hey, look, Doc,

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we just need you to play those guys and if

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you don't, you're fired. Like, I don't know how that's

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going to play out regardless. I think there's gonna come

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at tipping point there.

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Speaker 1: And there's also kind of he's played like okay, AJ

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Green and Ryan Rollins and Kevin Porter Junior. But for

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the most part he's had to so what happens. I mean,

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you look at a KPJ. I guess specific and Ryan Rollins.

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dusting those guys off in the playoff? Would have been

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a nice barometer for okay, can Doc do this? Because

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we've mentioned this ad nauseum. Now like Torrian Prince, Gary

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Trent junior free agents that you do not have bird

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rights on Brook Lopez is going to be a free

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agent too. I will say I'm assuming Dame is. I

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don't think Dame is unhappy there, but I was curious

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and kind of banning about, like is there a situation

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where Dame might see the writing on the wall with

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Giannis long term and decide that, oh, I'm just going

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to ask her out now. And you kind of brought

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the challenges up with that of well, is there a

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way for you to get better while mooming Damian Lillard?

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you have to move Damian Lillard, but if he's sort

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of getting a little bit cagy like that is going

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to accelerate the Yannest timeline. And so there's just it's

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so many layers here, I would agree that you have

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to look at the coaching. If you're planning on running back,

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I think Jannis Damon, let's assume they resign Brook either way,

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like there needs to be moves made with this roster,

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and it just forget about the financial situation, like they're

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gonna start the offseason under the tax without Brook Lopez's

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money on the books. That being said, it's do you

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trade you have a twenty thirty one or twenty thirty

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two first round pick if you don't know what's going

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on with Giannis, if you don't know what's going on

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with Dame, it makes it that much harder to improve

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the roster because you can't put your best asset assets

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on the table.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally agree, and so that's why I bring him

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up because I think that whole situation. I think generally

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when we discuss these situations with coaches, you have to

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look at it through a wider lens as well, just

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organizational direction like roster construction, all these things, and something

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just doesn't like I don't it's a hard it's difficult

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for me to like pinpoint exactly what it is. But

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something to me feels off on that team. It's not

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just the age, which is one thing, but like I

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feel like the offense remains somewhat predictable, not really that creative.

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Speaker 2: And then there's a.

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Speaker 3: Counter argument that people have been making for years, like

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how creative a system can you really have around Giannis

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who's a slasher, who's like a fastbreak guy who isn't

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necessarily you know, a Luka danct sort of create a creator,

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And that's an interesting discussion. I don't know the answer

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to that, Like I don't know if if it's Yiannis

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who limits an offensive creativity or if it's Doc or like,

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I don't own the answer, but I would at least

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try to move away from Doc before I move away

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from Yannis, to see if there's something you can unlock.

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Speaker 2: With some else.

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Speaker 1: I will say, I think there are challenges when it

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comes to building around Jannis Stantacombo, and those might become

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more pronounces as he gets older. But based off kind

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of what we've seen, and I know you've watched some

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of it as well, post Dame injury, where Giannis is

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just initiating everything, it's kind of proof that hey, you

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can use this guy in all sorts of different ways.

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So I would still let it fall on Doc and

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look either way, whether it comes down to are you

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moving Gianni's or you're not moving Gianni's like you should

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be looking at the coaching situation anyway. Yes, moral of

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the story. So I'm gonna go with I think we

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both could have predicted that this person's name would have

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wound up here. I'm gonna go with Michael Malone in Denver.

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And they're not a team that we've talked about a

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lot recently because they haven't fallen into like these profound buckets.

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But the vibes, like ever since that was was it

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the Warriors loss, it just feels like the vibes or

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the Timberwolves loss. Excuse me that that Bonker's game where

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Westbrook has that sequence where misses the bunny and then

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fouls on the three point attempt, then you lose to

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go in State on the second night of a back

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to back. This team is so up and down, and

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I think you always can have pointed to this coming

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to a head for two primary reasons. One, you're just

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getting to a point where it's the easiest thing to

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change is the head coach it's now been It'll have

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been a couple of years since the title what else

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are you gonna expect them to do? But two, there

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was clearly a disconnect between him and the front office

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last year leading into this year where who they wanted

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him to play and the way for him to play

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some of these guys more was they had to take

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a club. Was like, no Justin Holliday on this team

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this year, Like you're gonna rely on the younger, You're

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gonna have to play through when Peyton Watson is healthy,

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give Julian strawth minutes. I don't. I'm just curious, like

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what that discussion is going to be like at the

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end of the season. I think you look at their

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player development this year and okay, maybe they've discovered some

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things with Zeke Naji, Christian Brown has had a really

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good year overall, but the Russell Westbrook experience is kind

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of turning on them. And while they're or.

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Speaker 2: Not when that happened, who could have seen that?

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Speaker 1: You have to What I will say is that the

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vibes around Russell Westbrook were better in Denver for a

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lot longer than I would have predicted. But they're kind

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of seeing now like this is someone who can cost

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you games and doesn't necessarily know how to continue playing

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inside himself. It might always gravitate towards doing more than

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he should or just making bad decisions. But you just

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have the layer of inconsistency from your best players who

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aren't your kisch with Murray been on a tear basically

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for a while, but now he's injured again, and that's

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always been a concern with him, even when he's playing well.

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Aaron Gordon dealt with injuries this year and hasn't felt

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like the same Aaron Gordon watching at least like watching

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him on defense, it doesn't feel the same. Michael Porter

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Junior is just wildly like I man, if we need

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like a rolling game rating for him, I have to

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get on Adam Framo of the director of NBA and

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NFL fan side. It does these rolling like player ratings.

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If you looked at his over the course of his career,

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it might have one of the wildest like peaks and

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valleys like lined to it. So I don't know, you know,

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I don't know how much responsibility I lay at the

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feet of Michael Malone at this point when you're looking

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at the personnel that's available to him, and then some

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of the even if you're fine with who they let go,

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they couldn't keep Brown. We don't need to bring up

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kcp's name again. I think he's the one more so

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than any of the players, just because I find whether

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it's a Michael Porter junior trade or Jamal Murray trade,

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I just find that so challenging to make. And I

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don't think Calvin Booth or that front office is going

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to say, well, let's attach Christian Brown or Peyton Watson

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too a package and really try to go because that's

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the way for them to Like, you can't call it

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a home run package. But if you wanted to make

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a substantial upgrade or make sort of a like a

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real trade without touching your core, and even then they

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make so little, you probably have to include one of

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your bigger salaries. Anyway, I don't want to say I'll

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be surprised because I could see the Nuggets getting to

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the conference finals. I think number two behind OKC is.

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I think Golden State could be that team. I think

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Denver could be that team. I think Buck in Houston

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could be that team. At this point, I wouldn't have

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said that, So to wrap it up, I'm not saying

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I'm tracking towards the prise if Michael Malone is gonna

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be there. But I feel a lot less confident about

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Michael Malone still being in Denver to start next season

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than I did probably eight or twelve weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the entire issue with the front office to

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me that makes him a candidate because honestly, yeah, I'm

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looking at this roster and I'm thinking he's done pretty

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much what you can get out of it, Like, yeah,

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do I have some issues with how he's using Strawther

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for example. I would like to see him, you know,

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get more shots off the bench and become like that,

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that primary scoring option off the bench.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's leaned into that. I think there he's.

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Speaker 3: Kind of been you the force to use his starter's

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way too much this year, Like he's lost a lot

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of guys. So I have a hard time putting that

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on him. I think that's more so on the front office.

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And frankly, it's not like I hated the idea of

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them saying, look, we're gonna take a year back, like

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or one step back to develop these guys, because maybe

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that prolongs are a championship window. So maybe we'll take

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two steps forward because of that investment. Like I'm not

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even saying that's a that's a bad idea, but it

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just seems like the vision of those two parties don't

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really align. And that's why I'm there. I will say this,

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I've just said this on this pod before. I believe

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that Bruce Brown has gotten his money and is ready

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to come back. And if that is the case, I

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would like to see Michael Malone still there. He was

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heartbroken when Bruce left, like absolutely heartbroken. I would love

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to see a reunion there. So come on, Denver, just

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make sure Mike is there. If you lock in Bruce

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Brown services just one more year, let's see.

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Speaker 1: He's I think, Look, we know they're willing, which you

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could I will. I'll say this, I have trolled there

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are many mid level signings the past two years and

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will continue to do so because they've been awful, but

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they have been a team that's at least willing to

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use it, which is not something that's you know, that

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thing isn't being thrown around. I don't think that Bruce

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Brown has played well enough to command much more than that.

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I mean, he's shooting thirty seven and a half percent

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from three in New Orleans. But like whatever his appearance

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is at sub ten appearances in New Orleans, that he's

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gonna end up with or that's what he has at

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the moment. Oh no, twenty. I'm sorry, but I just

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don't think his market's gonna be too robust and so

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that helps them. I don't know that I don't view

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him as someone good enough that oh this is like

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the difference, like let's have us run it back, but

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he is. He's definitely more of a cerebral and plug

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and play option, even having some similar limitations at points

476
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,599
to Russell Westbrook. When you look at how defenses respect

477
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,359
him from beyond the arc, clearly a better fit. I

478
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,759
don't want to see Michael Malone leave either, just because

479
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:58,000
the like him and Jokic seem to have a good relationship.

480
00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:00,440
And I not that I feel like contentw he's the

481
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,079
great market inefficiency. But there's just some situations you get

482
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,079
sappy for, and Michael Malone and Denver's become one of

483
00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:07,880
them for me, in part because this is why I

484
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,839
can't run a team, because you can't let this factor

485
00:23:09,839 --> 00:23:12,519
into it. But there were so many times when they

486
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:15,480
were dealing with injuries before their title that some people

487
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,400
thought it made sense to change the coach. They didn't.

488
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,119
It worked out, that was really cool, But yeah, it's

489
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,599
I just don't know, and can it almost be made

490
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,480
difficult by what if you had to chopper in one

491
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,519
player or acquisition, Like what is what is it that

492
00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:34,279
this team needs the most? Because I think you can

493
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,240
rattle off a bunch of different needs and Bruce Brown again,

494
00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:40,279
I think that's a solidist. Having that type of reserve,

495
00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:43,160
that type of competence coming off the bench would be major.

496
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,279
But I don't think that it alters the Denver team

497
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,119
that we're watching, Like you know, buy an incredible margin.

498
00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,839
Speaker 3: Well, I'm baking it into also improvements from the current team,

499
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,839
Like I don't think Julian Strawther is not going to

500
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,400
get better, Like I think he's gonna get better goingast

501
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,799
the next year. Paper Watch to me is the big

502
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,240
one because it feels like he's the guy who could

503
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,839
make like that leap, right the internal leap going from

504
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,039
year three to year four, Like he's made these small

505
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,519
ish leaps every single year. I feel like if he

506
00:24:13,559 --> 00:24:18,440
can hit that next level next season, that is like

507
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:22,200
an indirect free agent acquisition in and of itself, Bruce

508
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,400
Brown is like the connector the floor guy, like you know,

509
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,920
the person who comes in off the bench and just

510
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,519
kind of runs the show. He knows everything that Mike

511
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:35,839
wants out of him. He knows how to play with

512
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,880
Yo Kisch. She wanted freaking title with him, Like, I

513
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,559
just I think there's something there where we're saying, oh yeah,

514
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,480
but Bruce Brown kind of stunk up the joint over

515
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,359
the past two years, right, That's probably why he would

516
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,240
be interested in going back to Denver because he knows

517
00:24:51,279 --> 00:24:53,720
that system. He wouldn't be coming into something new.

518
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 2: He would just.

519
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: Roll back into a warm blanket of comfort and get

520
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,400
to work, which I think is something we can't understate

521
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:06,200
in terms of importance. So I'm baking that in with

522
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,200
internal improvements. Also, are we closing the door on Like

523
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,000
if Brown comes back, that's on a min deal, so

524
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:17,680
they still have their exception, Like is that door fully closed?

525
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,079
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's not. I don't I honestly don't.

526
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,079
Like could the Pelicans decide that they just want sort

527
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,400
of a salary placeholder on the books because players care

528
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,160
about bird rights more than ever, It feels like that's true.

529
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,000
The Peyton Watson things interesting because I remain is so

530
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:34,839
high on him, But do you think that there's a

531
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,960
way for them to actualize anything close to his peak

532
00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:41,200
given the current Like look at the players in front,

533
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,400
I'm looking offensively at the pecking order, and if he

534
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,720
could do things I think to fit in a larger

535
00:25:45,759 --> 00:25:48,160
scheme better that look the three point volume off forever

536
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,160
watch even when he's hitting those threes. But the bigger

537
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,480
thing is there's also someone that needs to get stronger,

538
00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:54,559
Like yeah, yeah, he can get to the ram espressing

539
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:56,599
in transition, Like his finishing is kind of whatever for

540
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,440
someone who is six', Eight like it's going to be

541
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,079
in the medium percentile AT bet at this. Rate so

542
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,200
can he come back? Stronger can he come back ready

543
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,279
to make more of? It like can he be a

544
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,759
higher usage player in a larger offensive ecosystem that has

545
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,000
at times if he's on the, court like he just

546
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:13,480
might be the number five guy when you're Talking Murray,

547
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,119
Jokic Gordon Reporter Junior Christian. Brown so IF i Was,

548
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,480
Denver i'd probably be even THOUGH i think that he

549
00:26:20,519 --> 00:26:23,680
could still technically have a higher ceiling Than, brown depending

550
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,000
on what cost could be for eitherland an. EXTENSION i

551
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,200
wouldn't if you think there's the right player out, There

552
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,440
like is there a higher End Bruce brown or just

553
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,480
a name that would come to mind for them where

554
00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:35,119
it's you can Attach Peyton watson. Too you, know you

555
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,880
look at The, zekenagy The Dario sharz player option. MONEY

556
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,720
i wouldn't be opposed to, it just BECAUSE i don't

557
00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:43,440
know if he's ever going to even come close to

558
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,480
touching his ceiling on this iteration of The.

559
00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:48,559
Speaker 3: Nuggets oh, Yeah, no, no, No like if there's a chance

560
00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:52,400
to get significantly better and that is made available by

561
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,279
Attaching Peyton, Watson i'm not closing the door on. That

562
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:57,720
i'm just saying THAT i think there is some internal

563
00:26:57,759 --> 00:26:59,759
improvement to expect out of. Him but you're, right he

564
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:03,599
has not shown any one of us enough over his

565
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:09,359
first three seasons to somehow be like untouchable in the

566
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,720
trade market for. Example, no, no absolutely. NOT i will

567
00:27:13,759 --> 00:27:18,000
also say this In denver's, defense AND i know you're

568
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,119
gonna laugh at, me and it's fair because, like why

569
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,519
would it seem like them rely on a? ROOKIE i get,

570
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:25,119
It but The Ron holmes going down and not playing

571
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,000
a single vinute this year THAT i think was a

572
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,079
big one because he was good value at that, Slot

573
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,200
like they needed someone like him with great, size with

574
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:38,960
a scoring, touch someone who could rebound the heck out

575
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,640
of the, ball someone who could just do stuff coming

576
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,720
off the bench for them to not have him and

577
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,680
to go to Seek nashi, instead who's been less be,

578
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,599
honest like he's had a couple of moments this year before,

579
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,880
that for a couple of, years he's been.

580
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: Dreadful that was a big.

581
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: Loss so If holmes is, healthy and that's a big,

582
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:00,160
if but, like if they feel comfortable with him his

583
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,839
health coming in is next, year that makes me a

584
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,200
little bit more at ease in pivoting Off Peyton watson

585
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:07,039
if that comes to, THAT.

586
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: I think you could also, say but he's just like

587
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:12,519
his minutes have been up and down ever since the

588
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:16,000
quote unquote, breakout if you Trusted Zeke nagy enough like

589
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:17,880
that also makes it a little bit easier because he's

590
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,079
not necessarily like the caps lock. Five so, Yeah denver

591
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,400
is gonna be fascinating for many. Reasons but IF i

592
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,160
had to, guess if you're, asking, well who's more likely to,

593
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,559
be you, know not on this team with the team next.

594
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,559
Year we should frame it that. Way you list all

595
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,119
the players Including Peyton watson Or Christian, Brown Michael Porter.

596
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,079
Jr Or Michael. Malone i'm gonna Pick Michael malone as

597
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,519
the least likely to be. There who's your next?

598
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:41,319
Speaker 3: Pick, oh that's a good, one, Right SO i want

599
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,079
TO i want to get out ahead of this. One

600
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:50,319
so they are currently third in The, east so that's

601
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:53,480
why it's a Long SHOT's nixed with tips.

602
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: LIKE i feel, like CAN i say one? Thing, yes you.

603
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,319
Speaker 1: Can't they were on my list, too SO i don't

604
00:28:58,319 --> 00:28:58,759
think you need.

605
00:28:58,759 --> 00:29:00,319
Speaker 2: To feel, bad all?

606
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,519
Speaker 3: Right that actually makes me feel a little bit. Better,

607
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,359
look it's the minutes. Thing it's it's still the minutes.

608
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,599
Thing like you have five guys all starting who's PLAYING

609
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:13,440
i was about to say over thirty five minutes per?

610
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,119
Game but you know, what kudos To Tom. Thibodeau Carl

611
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,200
Anthony salas is playing thirty four point nine minutes per,

612
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,680
Game like he's just under thirty.

613
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,559
Speaker 1: Five load management is ruining the.

614
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:31,079
Speaker 3: League, really it's, like my, god tips, like but but you,

615
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:34,200
KNOW i when you have guys coming off the bench

616
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,720
and you just don't utilize them even if you're up

617
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:37,440
by a large.

618
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: Margin it just makes, me it makes me sort.

619
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 3: Of furious at times because we've seen before how that

620
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,480
comes at the expense of players and player health and.

621
00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:49,359
Whatnot for for him to go into this situation and

622
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:54,839
always double down on his primary five in the regular,

623
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,559
season no, less it's you have to ask big, Questions

624
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:03,000
like if you are the front, office you have to ask, yourself,

625
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,720
like we just spent a lot of asset as it's

626
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:09,440
gathering this, group like we have a very very intriguing top.

627
00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:14,200
Five are we in in some sort of risk of

628
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,599
basically losing the value of that five sum because they're

629
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,079
just getting grinded into pulp during the course of the

630
00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:24,519
regular season and playing that many.

631
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: Minutes and here's the.

632
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: Thing you can go to tips and you can tell, them,

633
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,240
look you need to tone down the. Minutes sure that's

634
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:34,759
been that's been. Tried that that doesn't.

635
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,599
Speaker 1: WORK i don't think anyone's ever tried it. More there's no, way.

636
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,079
Speaker 3: Right he's he will sell his soul for like A

637
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,519
november twentieth win against The Charlotte hornets if if it

638
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:50,599
came down to, That like, again this is the same

639
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,160
guy who Played Jimmy butler forty eight minutes in a

640
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,640
preseason game back in the. Day this is the, guy and,

641
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,759
LIKE i don't have any issues with his. DEFENSE i.

642
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:02,160
DON'T i think he's coaching and only speaking is perfectly sound.

643
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,880
Reasonable the minutes distribution is just it's so, Rough AND

644
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,640
i get the people push back and, say, look look

645
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,640
at the. Roster what is he gonna. Do play more

646
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,279
minutes to Like Lantry. Shammitt, yes, Yes Landry sammick should

647
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,720
play more. Minutes, absolutely, yes you're you're absolutely, right. Listener

648
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,119
players like that should get more. Minutes, yes just to

649
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,039
make sure that the starters don't.

650
00:31:27,079 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: DIE i, LOOK i think there's a lot Of knicks

651
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,200
fans like to dismiss it at this. Point there's real

652
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,640
stuff to the minutes. Conversation it's you don't want, to

653
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,400
at least at the very, least you want to try

654
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,720
and do your part to ensure those kind of soft

655
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,599
tissue injuries aren't becoming a bigger. RISK i think there's

656
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,799
a Chance Jalen brunson's absence becomes sort of a blessing

657
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:52,680
in disguise for. Them for, one things they learned about everybody,

658
00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:57,839
else most notably Oh, jiannaobi but two just having him

659
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,279
be Healthier brunton himself be maybe not as worn down

660
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,400
for the part of the postseason and in better. Shape

661
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,880
perhaps again you'd rather him not get. Injured at the same,

662
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,440
time it's, well, well he actually just be better off

663
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:11,559
because he got this time off that he otherwise would not.

664
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,720
HAVE i will SAY i think That tibbs has done

665
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,400
some things that go. Overlooked, STILL i was, worried for,

666
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,319
instance that you, know there are things That i'm not

667
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,440
happy with when it comes to The Karl anthony town.

668
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,519
Usage but one of the THINGS i was super worried

669
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,039
about was are they gonna let his post ups kind

670
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,640
of become a? Crutch and they. Haven't he is driving

671
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,319
last per thirty six. Minutes i'd like the three point

672
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:33,880
attempts to be. Higher BUT i think that they've been

673
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,920
more creative with him on offense Than tibbs receives credit.

674
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,759
For that's a good. Thing the fact that Og annobi

675
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:42,400
has at least been. EMPOWERED i know some of it

676
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,319
was out of. Necessity that's a good. Thing but to your,

677
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:48,480
point this is where and it might not even if

678
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:50,640
you don't want to make it the minutes, thing even

679
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,079
though it's part of the minutes, thing his marriage to his,

680
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,559
guys or even his overall, approach it's, problematic especially when

681
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,920
what he's married to is maybe not the. Answer and

682
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,279
so look at that that, lineup you're the starting, Five

683
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,440
like on the, season they're plus four point seven points

684
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,160
per one hundred plus four point four points per one hundred.

685
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,200
POSESSIONS i believe that's Like lee, Got like that's in

686
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000
the fifty first. Percentile that is nothing like the offense

687
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:20,920
in the sixty third percent. Tile the defense is in

688
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,680
the fortieth. Percentile for that to be your most used,

689
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,000
lineup if you're gonna ride your, players you would like

690
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,200
that to be way better than it. Is and the

691
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,680
fact that he seems you know this might change in the,

692
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,519
playoffs but are you willing to Play josh Hart less

693
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,799
to get more of a floor spacer in there when

694
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,599
teams don't care. THAT i know he does a lot

695
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,759
of for the team with, rebounding, driving, Transition but even

696
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,559
when he's not taking or making nearly enough threes for

697
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,400
defenses to, care it's the PLAYER i always reference is,

698
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,680
like he's just not the same threat in the half

699
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:53,680
court that even a lou Door. Is at this point

700
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,400
there will be more reactions To ludhort and other things to,

701
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,960
note just like it does feel like he can still

702
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,400
be stubborn to a us his defensive principles in the

703
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,599
middle of the game or just against certain matchups to

704
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,280
where it's, oh, like why aren't you Doubling Devin booker

705
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,599
more when he's when he's torching torching? You AND i

706
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,119
understand if you Vote gigiana no reguarding him that that's

707
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,480
besides the. POINT i think you can look, at you,

708
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:17,639
know why aren't you playing more aggressive pick and roll

709
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,480
coverage With Karl Anthony towns when you know his limitations in,

710
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:22,920
Drop Like i'd be interested to see the data of just, like, okay,

711
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,599
well how how much drop Is Karl Anthony town's playing this?

712
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,639
Year AND i would argue that IT'S i would say

713
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,840
it's just too. Much the problem, IS i think we

714
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,840
also have to recognize The knicks are working through a

715
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,000
level of success that they just have not enjoyed in roughly,

716
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:39,840
forever and he seems to resonate with his, Players AND

717
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,760
i think what you actually need to believe is the

718
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,440
offense can be, flawed but if you're bringing in a new.

719
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,960
COACH i think you need to believe that they can

720
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,400
get they can squeeze more juice out of this defense

721
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,119
than Top thibodau by maybe incorporating more variability into their.

722
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:58,599
COVERAGES i don't know if when you look at the

723
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:01,880
head coaching market right, now like As Taylor jenkins or

724
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,320
someone that would do, that and then how are you

725
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,079
gonna feel about his? Offense BECAUSE i DON'T i don't

726
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:07,800
think The knicks are inventive enough overall on, Offense but,

727
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,559
like are you well The? Grizzlies are you gonna need

728
00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:12,039
to hire like a certain assistant to oversee? That SO

729
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,079
i have a lot of. Questions it's all gonna come

730
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,320
down to the playoffs if they get. TRUCKED i don't

731
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,320
care If boston's a terrible matchup for, them and if

732
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,400
they win a playoff, series that's who they're. Facing but

733
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,679
if you get trucked by, them you have to consider

734
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,159
everything that includes you're not Training Jalen brunts AND i

735
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,360
want to make it, clear But litter AND i would

736
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,000
argue that Ogn andobi is the second most important player

737
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,280
on this team moving. Forward but if you get trucked

738
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,800
in the second, round and it's reflective of how big

739
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,159
of the chasm is separating you from the team that

740
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:42,639
you are built to contend. With everything is on the

741
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:45,880
table at that, point including and probably most likely changing

742
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:46,199
the head.

743
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: COACH, yep totally.

744
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: Agree CAN i ask you a quick question on, this

745
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,800
who is more likely to be In New york next? SEASON. Todm,

746
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,599
Thibodeau Josh, Hart McHale bridges Or Karl Anthony.

747
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 2: Towns who's who's most likely not the most.

748
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: Likely most likely not to be? There i'm, sorry that's

749
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,239
a terrible.

750
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: Phrasing, no all, good that's a good. Question all questions

751
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,159
are good.

752
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,639
Speaker 3: Questions more they are they are the. Thing the thing

753
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,639
is like the, heart says Me Kail. Bridges but THEN

754
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,280
i start to think about how that would be losing

755
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,039
face because the amount that you gave up to get

756
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,239
him and then pivoting off of him after a, year

757
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,400
that would be pr. Suicide Josh hart has, become you,

758
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,280
know the heart of the team in many, Ways like

759
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,000
he's like his connection with the fan base is also pretty.

760
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:47,239
Insane that plays a. Factor, also he's like, like contractually

761
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,920
his compensation level is, Brilliant so like that doesn't necessarily

762
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,280
make a lot of. Sense towns is a. Star those

763
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,679
are tough to come, by even if they are. Expensive

764
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,599
So i'm probably gonna say.

765
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: Tips, HONESTLY i think that's the right. Answer and it

766
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:06,360
sort of also would be if this team had more.

767
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,000
Assets And i'm not even talking about picks, obviously but

768
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:12,719
in terms of salary, matching like you look at The

769
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,679
Mitchell robinson number now where you're going to the, Books

770
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,199
but if they were able to add a certain type of,

771
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,800
player that would maybe make it easier For Josh, hart

772
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,480
like For TIBs to Move Josh hart to the bench.

773
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,039
Bench that might be the type of moves where, okay

774
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:27,239
you can sort of basically run it back and you

775
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,960
don't need to change the head. COACH i just don't

776
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,360
know if they, have like if they're pulling off a

777
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,440
trade where you think they're incorporating a different. STARTER i

778
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,559
know those arguments produced McBride to start right, NOW i

779
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,239
just Don't i'd be shocked if that happens permanently Under.

780
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,840
Thibodeau but how do you go out and get someone

781
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,280
who's then good enough to start in place Of Josh

782
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,119
hart And thibodau's eyes with the assets you. Have, again

783
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,320
it's all going to depend on the, playoffs but they

784
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,159
have not shown nearly enough against the good teams for

785
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,360
us to think that these aren't going to be questions

786
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,280
over the. Offseason we're onto my, pick and you actually

787
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,039
you took my next, pick So i'm going to go.

788
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:06,039
Here Mike budenholzer In. Phoenix, yeah this is his first,

789
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:09,519
year but, like this team is the second worst defense

790
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:11,000
in the league since The All star. BREAK i think

791
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,639
they're back to the bottom five on the. Season you

792
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,679
can't fault him for the limitations of the, roster but

793
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,280
like to kind of and The Colin gillespie, THING i

794
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,119
buy and large give The suns a. Pass i'm not

795
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,960
leaning into it further just because of the names that were,

796
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,119
there but like the inconsistent AND i think that's putting

797
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:34,800
it charitably deployment Of Ryan, Dunn, ohsoegadaro who provide actual.

798
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,760
Needs like let's just do the most fundamental cookie cutter

799
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,599
overview of Them Ryan dunn, defense and he's actually not

800
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,119
the bead as a short role. Passer and then Like,

801
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:47,280
ohsoegadaro we just have evidence That Devin booker specifically will

802
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,480
look excellent for the most part on. Offense if he

803
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,000
has a decision making Big osokadar or someone who could

804
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,840
do that in the short role as a, screener you'd

805
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,119
like to see, him you, know be a little bit

806
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:58,320
more aggressive looking for his own. Shot of course that's on.

807
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,000
Him it doesn't seem like the vibes a great again

808
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,559
to where you know you had the multiple reports of

809
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:06,119
just like oh or him AND kd on the same,

810
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:08,400
page or him And Devin booker on the same. Page

811
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:12,519
you talk about the optics for The knicks if they

812
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,519
Move Josh. Hart the optics for The knicks if The

813
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,159
sons get rid of another head coach will be. Terrible

814
00:39:17,199 --> 00:39:20,159
but if they are i, mean, actually does it even

815
00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:21,960
matter if you're The sun's team and you want to,

816
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,360
Continue i'll, say propping up the facade that you're all

817
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,199
about contending, now don't you kind of have to consider?

818
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,920
Anything and then even if you're taking a step, back

819
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,840
you Move Kevin, durant Maybe Devin booker decides he wants,

820
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,880
out you also kind of have to step back and, evaluate,

821
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,440
Well Mike budenholzer then the right coach for a team

822
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,639
that's lost one or two of its, stars.

823
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:45,559
Speaker 3: Right it's interesting because if, he like if Coach budd

824
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:49,800
And Devin booker, hadn't you, know had some war of,

825
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,519
WORDS i would probably have held a more more Of

826
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:54,800
east BECAUSE i feel Like booker is probably the guy

827
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,480
to stick, around, Right, like if they're pivoting off, him

828
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:02,559
it's because he has gone them and, said look it's it's,

829
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:05,320
time LIKE i just need to move off of this.

830
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,760
TEAM i don't think he's there. Yet that's just my

831
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,599
read on, it not sourcing. Anything it's JUST i think

832
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,480
he's like willing to see it through just a little bit.

833
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:18,000
Longer but it is wild that if you Have Devin

834
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,360
booker And Kevin durant on the same team and none

835
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,480
of whom are you, know extremely, injured Like Kevin durand

836
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,559
has missed what sixteen games this? Year, like, yeah that's,

837
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,760
something it's not a whole. Lot so if you have

838
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,440
both those guys mostly, available and this is how you,

839
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:35,679
look this is where you end.

840
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 2: Up that's.

841
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: Rough that is that is very very, Rough and that's

842
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,800
where you have to figure, out like The Booker budenholzer,

843
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:50,400
relationship like is that? Salvageable is there any way you

844
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,599
can move? Forward because Like duranda is out of. There

845
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,360
this we, know like it was. Reported, yeah oh, okay.

846
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,119
Speaker 1: The report that he's open to signing an extension With.

847
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:04,079
Speaker 3: Phoenix, NO i did not WHAT i saw the report

848
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,639
From Brian windfor saying The suns were looking for a

849
00:41:06,679 --> 00:41:07,320
massive hall for.

850
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,639
Speaker 2: Him that was WHAT i, saw all.

851
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,679
Speaker 1: Right so The Ringers Logan murdoch had a. Piece Actually

852
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,199
i've yet to read, it but That durant that in

853
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,360
it noted That durant would be open to staying In.

854
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,119
Phoenix NOW i don't know when he was talking To

855
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,239
durant at that, time but if it was semi, recently

856
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,960
like that would seem like a pretty significant departure from

857
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,679
WHAT i still assume he's. Gone BUT i was just

858
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,199
noting it to cover our. Base that's.

859
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:31,119
Speaker 2: Interesting, god he's not all over the.

860
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,199
Speaker 1: Place this team is making me too sad for it

861
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,679
to stay, together SO i don't want them to.

862
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:39,159
Speaker 3: Extend but it's so, wild right because Then duran before

863
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:41,599
the trade, headline he didn't want to go To Golden.

864
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,039
State then after the trade headline he was, like, well

865
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,920
you know, what LIKE i might be open to it

866
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,280
in the off season when anything kind of dies, down

867
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,760
like what Like Kevin durant make, up you've goddamn, Mind,

868
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,960
lease LIKE i need we need to know what the

869
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:55,440
hell is.

870
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: Going to go on.

871
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: Here, no but Like i'm very much assuming he's, out

872
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,400
so they will have to construct the roster out book

873
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,400
and that, ALSO i don't know how the hell they

874
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,159
solve The, bradley but that's their.

875
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: Issue well do you think it helps at how bad

876
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,000
the situation has got that he would just it's over

877
00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:18,360
the off. Season it's probably, easy it's not probably it's

878
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,760
definitely easier to relocate then that he just might widen

879
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,039
his scope of like oh he would go if maybe

880
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:27,920
he's not, content but he'll look at a team and say, like,

881
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,599
oh they're gonna take on my money And i'm gonna

882
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,199
get a bunch of shots and maybe you, know pad

883
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:33,519
my stats and it helps you with my next. CONTRACT

884
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,719
i am wondering if it gets easier to, move LIKE

885
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:38,239
i would, say easier than we would expect over the

886
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,400
offseason to move, him just because this situation has deteriorated so.

887
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,159
Much why does he want maybe things off the quarter,

888
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,239
Better like maybe him And Devin booker are best friends or,

889
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:47,760
something and we just don't know, it but that's not

890
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:49,400
that's not really anything that you've.

891
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: Heard so so what team would trade For beale and

892
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:55,760
give him?

893
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:56,159
Speaker 2: Shots?

894
00:42:56,199 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: Though The nets would be a good, example like if

895
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,760
they were gonna use their burn their cap space On.

896
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,639
Beale But i'm saying it would be a rebuilding. Team

897
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,159
is more so like With, charlotte if they're getting anything

898
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,760
like kind of send back you look like to do

899
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,679
the sun still of interest In Miles. Bridges you could

900
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,159
build something around. That that's the type of. TEAM i

901
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:17,599
don't THINK i would be pretty surprised if any. TEAM

902
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:19,480
i mean maybe maybe The bulls at this. Point they

903
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,599
did Trade Zach, lavine and why not pair him With

904
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:24,360
giddy And Kobe? White Bradley, Beal Kobe, White Josh, giddy

905
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,760
Moving Patrick. Williams, yeah, baby.

906
00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah that would be hilariously. Bad, Yes So i'm.

907
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: Just, saying does it you still view it as sort

908
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,280
of A Bradley beal's not gonna go anywhere over the

909
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,639
off season. SITUATION i view it as, yes more, okay.

910
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: But maybe maybe Maybe i'm, giving you, know seems too much,

911
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,880
Credit like If i'm trying to put myself in the

912
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,400
place on a team there right there Where i'm in the,

913
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,400
CHAIR i have to make a, Call Like i'm just

914
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:54,800
not calling Up phoenix and, going hey, guys, so, Uh

915
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,039
Bradley beal, Available Like i'm not gonna do.

916
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,039
Speaker 1: That, no that's not WHAT i just wonder if they're

917
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,239
gonna give, Them AND i guess you're looking At, okay

918
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,960
the picks are so kind of low. Level but if

919
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960
you're just attaching two first round, picks they get Off

920
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,960
Bradley beal for. That they could be rotation, players but

921
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,960
no one you view as important to your face one hundred.

922
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: And ten million dollars though.

923
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: Left, LOOK i think you the no trade clause makes it.

924
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,679
PROHIBITIVE i want to make that, clear but like two

925
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,159
years is not if you already know that next season isn't?

926
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:28,199
It then it, becomes, oh he's an expiring, contract the

927
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,679
no trade. CLAUSE i totally understand what you're. Saying and

928
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:33,000
what's the extent to Which, phoenix, like would they include

929
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,280
A niggodharo Or Ryan done to get Off. Beal i'm

930
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,639
sure the fan base riot at that, point but So i'm.

931
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:41,400
Not this is all to SAY i don't think the

932
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,719
situation is. SALVAGEABLE i just don't it does feel like

933
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:47,079
if if you had to ask, ME i think it's

934
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,800
more likely That Bradley beal is out Of phoenix next

935
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:51,920
year Than Mike. Puttenholzer.

936
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 2: Interesting, Interesting all, right do you think.

937
00:44:57,639 --> 00:44:59,519
Speaker 1: It's more Likely Mike puttenholzer is out Of phoenix Than

938
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:03,880
devin Book, YES i tend to.

939
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: Agree, YEAH i, mean, look it's it's Book.

940
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 2: Let's give him that that. Courtesy.

941
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: Right, OH i don't think if and when The sun's

942
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,920
Moved Devin, BOOKER i don't think it's going to be,

943
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,639
proactive it's going to be reactive to him saying, guys.

944
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah perhaps that's the scene that ends up just

945
00:45:26,039 --> 00:45:29,320
Giving brad would be a lot of shots The phoenix suns.

946
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: Just BY.

947
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: U. N. Durant, yeah all, Right so so my next, Scene,

948
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,599
Yeah i'm gonna not, no not hatching my, bet that's

949
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:41,159
the wrong way to phrase. It Like i'm gonna, say

950
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:43,920
depending on where they go with the, roster if they

951
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,440
decide to just basically blow everything sky, High i'm kind

952
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,360
of looking At Willie green And i'm not Saying Willie

953
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,000
green BECAUSE i think he's necessarily a bad coach or.

954
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,639
Anything but if The pelicans do decide to hit that

955
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:03,079
big fat red reset. Button there might also be some

956
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,599
level of thinking, that, hell you know, what if we're

957
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,800
starting everything, over might as well also start over with

958
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,320
a new coaching staff to optimize everything around this new

959
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,599
court that we're. Building, Like i'm not saying That Willy

960
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:20,079
green deserves to be fired Because i'm not. THERE i not.

961
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,840
Whatsoever he seems to have pretty good rapport with his.

962
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,800
Guys he's still, young he's still someone who has a

963
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,960
lot of potential left in the. Back but he's been

964
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,760
there three this is his fourth. Year might be time

965
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,679
to do something. Else, LIKE i don't know if they're

966
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:38,280
planning to move off Of. SION i don't know if

967
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,079
they're planning to make big alterations for the roster this.

968
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,480
SEASON i don't think anyone really. KNOWS i think a

969
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:46,719
lot of people have, opinions BUT i don't think we.

970
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,960
Know And i'm just assuming more or less that if

971
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,840
you're going to go in and, say let's start this

972
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,719
whole thing, OVER i would not be shocked to See

973
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,119
Willy green be a part of that whole.

974
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:03,599
Speaker 1: Change, YEAH i think he's Almost i'm not even insulting your.

975
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:05,480
HOTS i think he has to be an obvious inclusion

976
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:08,400
at this point because it's Getting you're at the stage,

977
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:09,880
of all, right how many times are we gonna go through?

978
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,960
This you could say the available, Personnel but now you're

979
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,559
also at an inflection point as a franchise where you

980
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:16,760
know you're gonna have this high lottery. Pick you've already

981
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,679
traded brandon INGRAM. Cj. McCollums deal is winding. Down Dejontay

982
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,320
murray is going to play when again we have no.

983
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,840
Idea There's Trey, murphy There's Herb, jones like the team

984
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,239
is still super. Interesting you have to ask. Yourself it's

985
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:31,599
you ask yourself the same question whether it's, okay they

986
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:33,840
get a Lottery let's say they win the, lottery or

987
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,519
they get the top three, pick if they're gonna kind

988
00:47:36,519 --> 00:47:38,360
of start over or take a slow. Approach it's not

989
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,920
just well do we Move Zion, williamson it's you, know

990
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:44,199
Does Willie green fit into? This apologies for the crashing

991
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:46,519
noise in the. Background the other thing would, be, well

992
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:48,199
if you're still going for, it you have to, ask,

993
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,239
well can he optimize whatever this roster looks? Like AND

994
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,679
i think there's been frustrations even when The pelicans have

995
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,559
rated incredibly. HIGHLY i think he's a pretty good a

996
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:58,079
lot of the. TIMES i know they're twenty ninth in

997
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,320
points let per. Possession i've a lot of time has

998
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,239
been impressed with the defense he extracts out of the

999
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,760
team relative to some of the personnel, offensively even when

1000
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,639
they're at their. Best it does feel, like, now is

1001
00:48:08,639 --> 00:48:10,760
this a function of the personnel that he's been given

1002
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,840
or something he does as a. Coach actually tend to

1003
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,119
lean towards the ladder given the breadth of the sample,

1004
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:17,800
size But New orleans has Since zion has entered the,

1005
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,800
leak they have rated better to that than twenty third

1006
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:23,920
in three point attempt frequency just, once and that Was

1007
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,920
zion's rookie year when he played in twenty four. Games

1008
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,519
so that's something that you need to. Address AND i

1009
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:32,800
think you can, say, well do they have the personnel

1010
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,079
to do? It AND i JUST i kind of look

1011
00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:36,880
at it and, say all, right you still don't really

1012
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:39,079
depending on how you feel About Carlo, makovich like you

1013
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:41,960
don't have that traditional floor spacing. Big we know What zion.

1014
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:44,239
Is murray was never going to be a super high

1015
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,920
volume Guy. Ingram we know his struggles like McCollum's up

1016
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,360
to his three point attempt to. Eree you Have Trey,

1017
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,199
Murphy BUT i do think you need to look, like

1018
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:51,760
is there a way for? Them we know What zion

1019
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,760
can do on. Offense is there someone who can come

1020
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,480
in here be more creative with him or be more

1021
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:58,599
creative with everybody else to get that rim and three

1022
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,679
combined frequency just add a clip to where, it's, oh

1023
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,239
this offense feels more. Dynamic then it's like the ceiling

1024
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,639
With zion on offense is it doesn't. Exist and SO

1025
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,960
i think there's a bunch of even with his, LIMITATIONS

1026
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,239
i think there's a bunch of different things they could

1027
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,639
drive in with, Him like is there a way to

1028
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:17,480
Get zion more creative usage away from the? Ball AND i,

1029
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:19,519
LOOK i Think Willie green has been pretty creative With

1030
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:23,119
Eves measi or at least smart with him during when

1031
00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:26,239
we've seen those two together earlier this. Year but, YEAH

1032
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,920
i just think it's a fair question because what else

1033
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,639
are you gonna. Do it's not you could, say, well

1034
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:32,039
they need to make changes to the roster aside from

1035
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:35,480
that incoming lottery. Pick how comfortable do you feel making

1036
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,880
a trade with the intent of getting better when you're

1037
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,000
dealing with it's not Just zion's, health but it's, like

1038
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:43,960
what is De Jante murray going to? Play you, know

1039
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,280
that's a huge piece of this.

1040
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,559
Speaker 3: Team you're absolutely, right and all those questions that's a

1041
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:53,119
big ass gumboat that they have to answer over the

1042
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:55,079
course of the Soometer AND i wouldn't be surprised If

1043
00:49:55,119 --> 00:50:00,039
Willy green is an ingredient that so we'll. SEE i

1044
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,079
hope that they'd be open to keeping him BECAUSE i

1045
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:06,480
Like Willie, green LIKE i ACTUALLY i think there's something

1046
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:08,920
there in terms of his. Coaching like, again the roster's

1047
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,360
stability has, been as you, said. Inconsistent it hasn't been,

1048
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,719
there like it the roster construction as, well like for

1049
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,480
the most, part LIKE i think it's been a bit.

1050
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:22,960
Wonky so like maybe there's a last gasp From David

1051
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,119
griffin in terms of, like OH i have an, idea

1052
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:28,159
let's execute it and see what's. Up and perhaps that

1053
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,599
is something where they were willing to Include Willy green

1054
00:50:31,639 --> 00:50:34,440
into that and see where it. Goes but at this,

1055
00:50:34,519 --> 00:50:37,599
Point i'm almost Expecting choms to hit a.

1056
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:40,559
Speaker 2: You, know give, us give us A choms bomb or

1057
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:42,280
whatever we decide.

1058
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 3: To call it well within the next couple of.

1059
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 1: Weeks, yeah and you know, what we haven't mentioned, this

1060
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,760
but it's you have to Issue David griffin and the

1061
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,480
rest of the front officer at least on alert. Now and,

1062
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:56,239
like this is one of the changes you, make if

1063
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,840
you're allowed, to is to change the head. Coach SO

1064
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,360
i wonder if that adds any pressure to the. EQUATION

1065
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:03,840
i think are we ready For so it's my. PICK

1066
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,760
i think we're at the point where we've had the

1067
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,800
five inclusions that where they just make a ton of,

1068
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,519
sense and now it gets a little bit more challenging

1069
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:12,320
unless you think there's another obvious. Candidate i'm going To

1070
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:16,840
i'm genuinely asking, Here, okay, okay is there a Chance

1071
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,440
Jamal moseley winds up on the hot? Seat because what

1072
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:21,719
is we know, It we know the, injuries we know the.

1073
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,199
Defense what evidence do we have that he's the right

1074
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,840
offensive coach for The Magic and if you say none

1075
00:51:29,679 --> 00:51:33,000
or very, LITTLE i think the counterpoint would, be, well

1076
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:35,320
how much of that falls on the front office for

1077
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,920
putting in? Place, okay, yes you Have, polo Youo Fandre,

1078
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,920
bavelli talented, team but you've been unable to bring in

1079
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,079
more dynamic offensive.

1080
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: Acquisitions, well you stole my. Pick that was my next.

1081
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,039
Speaker 3: One So i'm very glad you brought that up BECAUSE

1082
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:52,239
i was afraid that was going to be very. Controversial look,

1083
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,719
like the one thing THAT i could come up with here, is,

1084
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,440
hey did you see the first five games of The

1085
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Magic seas Before paulo Ben kara went? Down they took

1086
00:52:02,039 --> 00:52:05,039
a shit ton of. Threes and that's basically where my

1087
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,719
argument ends because it's that, like that's that's where we

1088
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,360
saw a little bit of creativity from, him basically, saying,

1089
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,119
look if we have to Empower.

1090
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,719
Speaker 2: Polo And franz to make, decisions put the ball in their.

1091
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: Hands we need to have. Shooters we need to make

1092
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,920
a ton of. Threes we need to get that shut

1093
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,679
up at an insanely high. Rate, Obviously polo went, down

1094
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:29,519
Then franz went, down Then mowagna went down for the entire,

1095
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:31,880
season who was also a part of that spacing, element

1096
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:34,320
one of their better three point, shooters which is pretty

1097
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,039
sad in its own.

1098
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: Right but there we.

1099
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,199
Speaker 3: GO i, Mean i'm just trying to be honest, here

1100
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,360
BUT i, mean, look that's what he came up. WITH

1101
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,199
i don't hate that plan of, saying all, right let's

1102
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:51,280
empower those two, Players power And, franz and then let's

1103
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,039
just make sure we get up like forty two threes per,

1104
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,719
game forty five threes per.

1105
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,159
Speaker 2: Game that's that's. Dope that's a good.

1106
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,119
Speaker 3: Mentality but you also don't have the personnel to execute,

1107
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:04,400
it and so he had to scale, back and it

1108
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,920
became a lot of LIKE i don't want to say

1109
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:10,280
foul baiting or foul, grifting BUT i do think The

1110
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,320
magic are very good to get into the pre thro

1111
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:18,079
line via you, know drives and perhaps acting out certain.

1112
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,960
Things like, honestly with all The shaye hate recently in

1113
00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:23,719
terms of him drifting for, FOULS i just kind of

1114
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,320
want to, say, hey look at the. Magic just go

1115
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:26,559
look at the magic a little bit once in a.

1116
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:33,920
While So i'm wondering With, jamal was that just like

1117
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,320
the default. Option, hey we have two very you, know ball,

1118
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,280
handling very strong ball handling. Forwards the only, alternative because

1119
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,880
we don't have a primary league, guard is just to

1120
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,239
get everyone to take. Threes because if that's the only

1121
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,800
default he. Has, though even THOUGH i like the, plan

1122
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,280
it can't be the whole. Plan there has to be

1123
00:53:55,360 --> 00:54:00,400
more to, It, Like i'm surprised we haven't seen more

1124
00:54:01,559 --> 00:54:05,119
like hear me out before you slaughter me. Here i've

1125
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,440
been surprised why we haven't seen more Cold anthony minutes

1126
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,679
because there have been games where they have gone like

1127
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,440
four or five minutes without a point and where you're

1128
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:15,639
kind of looking like at that team just completely in

1129
00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:18,800
a lull where they have no offensive minded players really

1130
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,280
on the court and Col anthony is sitting on the

1131
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:27,639
bench just kind of, mhm my turn soon like and

1132
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,239
where we have not Seen jamal even look his way

1133
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,280
and he's just stuck with you, know defensive. Lineups there

1134
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,159
is a point where coaches can skew too heavily one

1135
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:41,039
side or the, other and right NOW i think mostly

1136
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:44,559
it's like on the, fence like he skews very much

1137
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:49,199
defensively to the point where we are we reaching that

1138
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,920
point where it's becoming a, Problem like are we reaching

1139
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,280
that point where the magic has to look at that

1140
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,360
going to the summer and, say, look defense is, great that's,

1141
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,840
awesome but we need to score. Points and With jamal in,

1142
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:08,320
charge we just cannot get those extra points out of this.

1143
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,639
Roster that has to be a question that has to

1144
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:13,639
be a conversation.

1145
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: Calling these stuff is fascinating because he begins the season

1146
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,760
kind of an. Afterthought injuries forced that to, change that

1147
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,719
he's playing a. Bunch then he has that it was

1148
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,239
like a toe injury a few weeks, ago and he

1149
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,039
comes back AND i don't know if he's still maybe

1150
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:26,840
dealing with, it but his place in the rotation has

1151
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,239
been sporadic ever. Since AND i think you highlighted two

1152
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,000
of the flaws THAT i think you can pin On Jamal,

1153
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:35,360
Moseley but AGAIN i don't. Know one of THEM i

1154
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,480
do believe could maybe be a mandate from the front.

1155
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,480
Office but are you too like tethered to the idea

1156
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:44,000
of we need as many good defenders on the floor

1157
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,800
as possible when this is a team where what have

1158
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,679
we known about? Them he's been there four, years three

1159
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,880
of which they have been elite, defensively and so what

1160
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,599
have we known about them that they have a margin

1161
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,480
for error on the defensive. End SO i think he

1162
00:55:57,519 --> 00:55:59,840
can get too attached at least he coaches the, team

1163
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:03,000
because it would be like that'd be another reason why

1164
00:56:03,159 --> 00:56:08,360
why hasn't this organization done more to Develop Jet howard?

1165
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:11,480
Here when in. Theory he does a lot of what

1166
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:15,159
they again conceptually would, need and yet he's not somebody

1167
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,920
that's ever like through his first couple of season receiving

1168
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,880
a ton of. Minutes if you think that's a like

1169
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:24,039
a sort of an indication on this the how Good

1170
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,320
Jet howard, is that's totally. Fine that will fall on

1171
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:28,639
the front. Office, then but four minutes per game is

1172
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:31,599
a rookie of just over eleven minutes per game as

1173
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:34,559
a as a, sophomore it's just not. Enough, yeah it's

1174
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,800
just the other THING i will point, out AND i

1175
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,559
think this is maybe not the bigger, one but it's

1176
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:42,840
a it matters to. Me i'll throw out the first

1177
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,039
year he's, there, like just that's his first. Year we

1178
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:48,079
know what the magic were back. Then this, team they

1179
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:52,079
are running more this. Year they're sixteenth in transition. Efficiency

1180
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,639
AND i know that you have guys In wagner And

1181
00:56:54,679 --> 00:56:57,480
Palo binkaro who kind of like to attack in a

1182
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,679
more methodical. Fashion but when you've ranked in the top

1183
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,559
ten of forcing turnovers in each of the three, years

1184
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,760
and yet after you force a turnover you have been,

1185
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:12,280
nineteenth twenty third and twenty third again this year. Respectively

1186
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:16,159
in transition, Frequency, like this is a team if we

1187
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,519
know that you don't have enough spacing or even enough

1188
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,000
if you think you're at an initiation deficit in the half,

1189
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:25,079
court what's one of the ways to offset some of that,

1190
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:28,039
deficit especially when your players are. Talented this isn't like

1191
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,760
the process, sixers where's we play fast just to cover

1192
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,159
up the fact that we don't HAVE nba. Players it's

1193
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:37,639
no get against more defenses that are scrambling or not.

1194
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,719
Set i've never understood even this, year like being sixteenth

1195
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,440
in transition, frequency is it's? Better and LIKE i think

1196
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,079
they're two percentage points up in their transition frequency over

1197
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:49,400
last year or whatever it ends up. BEING i think

1198
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,360
that THEY'VE i don't know if they've like defaulted to

1199
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,119
this idea that like you just can't do it as

1200
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:57,199
much When palo Ben caro's on the, court and that's just,

1201
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,599
no like you can like offline, rebounds off turnovers that you're.

1202
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,719
Forcing like this is a team THAT i THINK i

1203
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:05,559
don't know if it would solve, everything BUT i think

1204
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:07,880
it would make me feel a lot better about their.

1205
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,840
Offense they are not nearly as athletic as say The Houston,

1206
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,840
rockets but like when you look at them compared to

1207
00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:16,440
a team Like, MEMPHIS i know that they don't have

1208
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,840
A jama ramp Like memphis can play fast like why

1209
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,960
Can't orland like who do you look at? It like they've.

1210
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:23,920
Tried maybe that's why they didn't play zact eaty enough this.

1211
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,159
Year they wanted to play a little. Faster but it's,

1212
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:28,679
LIKE i don't Look my point, is even if that's

1213
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:30,679
a bad, EXAMPLE i don't look at this personnel and, say,

1214
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:32,639
oh The magic don't have room to be in transition.

1215
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:35,679
More that is not a takeaway THAT i. Have do

1216
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,119
you have another coach on your? List so sort of.

1217
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 3: And it's not about the hot seat. SPECIFICALLY i want

1218
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,199
to make that, perfectly perfectly. Clear this is a question

1219
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,519
about a coach right now who is doing very very

1220
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:56,599
well in turning like getting his team from POINT a

1221
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,159
to POINT. B i'll even go as far as saying

1222
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:01,639
he might have been able to get his team from

1223
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:04,639
POINT aid to points see this. Year but where you

1224
00:59:04,679 --> 00:59:07,239
have to, wonder is this a guy who they're going

1225
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,800
to keep for the long? Term is he going to

1226
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,800
be a championship level? Coach we're gonna have to go To,

1227
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,679
detroit Like detroyer has made the biggest turnaround in THE.

1228
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:20,679
NBA jp bigger staff has done an amazing job for.

1229
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:25,599
Them he's still very much similar To Jamal mosley excus

1230
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:28,719
defense over, offense and he isn't really the most creative

1231
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,199
offensive mind out. THERE i think we also saw that

1232
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:35,719
With cleveland last. Year is he a guy who we

1233
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:40,000
aren't going to have to put on this list twenty

1234
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:40,599
four months from?

1235
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 2: Now two?

1236
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: Years that's TO i mean maybe because you would at

1237
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,800
that point you would have time and a, couple like

1238
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,039
a few transaction cycles to go through to see did

1239
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:53,519
we improve enough with the like the talent infusion plus the.

1240
00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:56,519
Players we already have what's interesting with? Him and he's.

1241
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:58,800
Not he's obviously not in the hot. Seat now you

1242
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,920
do have the question of is this someone who can

1243
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,320
get you to a? Point and then like it's ALMOST

1244
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:06,280
i was framing it WHEN i talked About thibodeau with

1245
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,760
someone the other, day where it's did The knicks find THEIR.

1246
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,840
Jb bickerstaff to get them to this you, know fifty

1247
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,599
win like, treadmill fifty plus win treadmill and now they

1248
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:19,079
need to go find Their Kenny, Atkinson, Right so like

1249
01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:21,239
that could be what The pistons run into WITH. Jb.

1250
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,880
Bickerstaff it does feel like this season and just the

1251
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,480
stuff that they they put you have to credit this front,

1252
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:29,920
office like there was just better spacing around, kid WHICH

1253
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:32,320
i think was even With Isaiah stewart not taking threes

1254
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,679
was a big. Deal but also just like the juice

1255
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:38,480
that he has squeezed out of this. Team on, DEFENSE

1256
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:40,360
i REALLY i know you have a Star thompson and

1257
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,119
if he, qualified he'd be on all. Defense probably you

1258
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:46,480
Have Isaiah. Stewart their defense for most of this season

1259
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:49,719
has exceeded my expectations relative to the. Personnel So i'd

1260
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:52,559
say he's bought, himself not just like they would have

1261
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:55,000
to have everyone's. Available you get better on paper and

1262
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,360
then you win twenty five games or. Something, again so

1263
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,320
he's bought himself twenty four. Months BUT i think it

1264
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,119
is interesting to, ask, like is he someone who can

1265
01:01:02,159 --> 01:01:05,159
be as you framed it, With, okay they're, good they're really?

1266
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:07,920
Good can you get them to? GREAT i MEAN i

1267
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,480
hope he. CAN i would root for it because the

1268
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,760
piss has been such a fun story and it's are

1269
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,039
we GONNA i don't want to bring this up BECAUSE

1270
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:16,760
i know it's not gonna. Happen but it's funny that

1271
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,760
we have is it because we have a larger sample

1272
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,559
size with him And? Tibbs but nobody's really asking that

1273
01:01:21,679 --> 01:01:24,480
question About mark Daik no In Oklahoma, City and SO

1274
01:01:24,519 --> 01:01:27,000
i don't know if it's unfair to ask it OF. Jb, Bicker, like,

1275
01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:29,280
YEAH i guess we have more, evidence but we're just,

1276
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,840
assuming like the thunder are so well set that aigan's

1277
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:35,679
not Even AND i don't by the, WAY i don't

1278
01:01:35,679 --> 01:01:37,440
think it should AND i don't think it will become

1279
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,239
a discussion should they flame out in the playoffs this.

1280
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,719
Year maybe maybe it. Does BUT i do find it

1281
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,400
somewhat interesting that this is a talking point WITH. Jb bickers.

1282
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 3: Staff, yeah, WELL i, MEAN i just think it's because

1283
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,920
there's a previous, record. RIGHT i think it's because we

1284
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,440
have the contrast of the, calves Like Bigger staff Leaves

1285
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,119
atkinson comes in that the team didn't, make you, know

1286
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,280
a lot of changes over the course of. Summer they made,

1287
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:07,920
some but he just kind of dialed it differently than

1288
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,480
How Bigger staff did and we saw dramatic. Improvement SO

1289
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,800
i think that was the contrast where you kind of, going, oh,

1290
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,920
okay and there's a lot of the SIMILAR dna with

1291
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:18,440
last Year's caps and these Year's, pistons to the point

1292
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,000
where you're looking at it and, going, well what's the

1293
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:25,840
top end potential? Here it's interesting you bring in you,

1294
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:31,639
know diagnalt to this because outside of last, year where you,

1295
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:33,599
know obviously they didn't get to the point where they

1296
01:02:33,639 --> 01:02:36,000
wanted to win the, PLAYOFFS i don't feel as though

1297
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:39,039
they've ever been in a position where they could truly

1298
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:41,800
compete for a title like it was last year and this,

1299
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,800
year so it's been only one playoff year with disappointing.

1300
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:52,079
Results is that enough data to go? Off because, like

1301
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,440
this team could win the whole goddamn thing this year

1302
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,639
and then we'd never talk about this.

1303
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Again well it kind of comes back to then, though

1304
01:03:00,559 --> 01:03:04,360
like why was the pressure necessarily ON. Jb Bicker stapf last?

1305
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,000
Year mid injuries and like it was a forty? Eight

1306
01:03:07,079 --> 01:03:09,599
BUT i JUST i, honestly my answer would, BE i

1307
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:12,559
think it comes back to the organization And, okay, see

1308
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:15,280
is set a precedent where people aren't gonna Speculate matt

1309
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,800
regard and when you're looking at The pistons. Specifically, again

1310
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,920
we're way ahead of this type of, talk but you're

1311
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,000
not The calves, Too like you don't trust those organizations

1312
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:26,199
on the same level as you do With, Okay C's

1313
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:29,440
and you're. RIGHT i do think the relative unknownness about

1314
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,840
Since martinel did not have AN nba head coaching position,

1315
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,480
before it works in his favor. Here but just THE.

1316
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:38,039
Jb bickerstaff's, credit like he inherited A cavs team, that

1317
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:40,360
like they weren't built to win more than twenty two

1318
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,199
games in his first full, SEASON i think that's them

1319
01:03:43,239 --> 01:03:45,039
the forty four from, there and it just feels, like,

1320
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,000
YEAH i, think you, know you have two years after,

1321
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:49,880
that but last year there was just a ton of injuries.

1322
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:51,840
There maybe it comes down more to locker room. STUFF

1323
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,440
i just it's something because we didn't see enough of

1324
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:56,559
him In memphis to just, Say, okay he had his

1325
01:03:56,599 --> 01:03:58,519
two seasons there and, like what was he supposed to

1326
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:02,199
accomplish with the rosters he? Had SO i remain more

1327
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:04,679
of A i don't even know if it's A. Jb bickerstaff,

1328
01:04:04,719 --> 01:04:06,840
optimist Because i'm not saying anyone or even you as a,

1329
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,000
pessimist BUT i do find the discussion around him heavily

1330
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:14,679
weighted into just Like, Okay cleveland made a huge jump

1331
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:16,960
and then didn't win the championship like in the next two.

1332
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:17,840
Years is what it's.

1333
01:04:18,159 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 3: Fair that is. Fair that is. Fair and also he's

1334
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,400
still for a, coach he's pretty. Young we have seen

1335
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,920
him get, better we have seen him like learn from.

1336
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,280
Mistakes you know, What i'll actually withdraw that, ONE i

1337
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,519
think because that's. Fair that's a really good. Point let's

1338
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:38,039
give jb another like at least a year before we'll

1339
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:38,559
bring him up.

1340
01:04:38,599 --> 01:04:40,679
Speaker 1: Again and do you know WHAT i wonder, Too AND

1341
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:42,960
i think this is probably true in any. Situation what

1342
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:45,400
it seems to. Accelerate this is what did The cavs

1343
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,159
do during that. Time they traded For Donovan mitchell and

1344
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:51,639
so the, urgency the expectations, skyrocket and it feels like

1345
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:53,840
that like The knicks would be a perfect. Example Tom

1346
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,239
tabodau is sitting pretty last. Year but like you go

1347
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,000
and you trade For ananobe right a little bit before

1348
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,079
the trade. Deadline then you trade For, towns you trade

1349
01:05:01,119 --> 01:05:04,440
For Michael, Bridges like that's part of the reason why

1350
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:05,880
No tips has been there long enough to where you

1351
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,840
can soll have the. Discussion but those transaction, cycles if

1352
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,760
you make one or two really big, moves and especially

1353
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,559
if you're depleting your. ASSETS i think what The pistons

1354
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:17,199
have going for them is they have Not they don't

1355
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:19,199
have a ton of extra, assets AND i don't think

1356
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:22,519
they're gonna act SUPER i want to, say, aggressively but

1357
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:25,599
reckless over the. Summer that they haven't had that type

1358
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:29,079
of transaction cycle or that type of, summer or a

1359
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:31,039
series of a deadline and a. Summer it probably works

1360
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:34,280
in his favor Of, okay they're taking. Again this is first.

1361
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,119
Year though maybe they change course over the summer and

1362
01:05:36,119 --> 01:05:38,360
they do get ultra aggressive and that increases the. STAKES

1363
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:41,159
i have one more. Coach it's more of an open.

1364
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:46,360
Question does what's happened In philly this year do anything

1365
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,880
to move you? About, well what's gonna happen With Nick?

1366
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,760
Nurse and BEFORE i really do throw it to, You

1367
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:53,599
i'm looking at it from you could just harp on

1368
01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:55,679
the injuries and say, okay and then they lean into

1369
01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:59,199
the tank for. Sure but if they keep their first round,

1370
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:02,519
pick they just have what feels like a series of

1371
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:06,239
existential decisions to make to where it's. Okay are we

1372
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,880
keeping this pick and trying to develop them while we

1373
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,599
Have Joel, Embiid Paul, George Tyrese, Maxi Quentin, Grimes jared.

1374
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:14,960
McCain is there a way for them to juggle? That

1375
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:18,119
do they look at trading that player so that they

1376
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:21,760
can get some win now talent in here to maximize

1377
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,559
the window Of, Embid george And? Maxi except, oh how

1378
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:28,360
much is And george going to play? Specifically and then

1379
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,639
if you get into that and you're, wondering, oh do

1380
01:06:31,679 --> 01:06:33,760
we take a more gradual approach or are we going

1381
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,400
to really invest in player development here alongside our core?

1382
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,000
Players Is Nick nurse the guy for? THAT i don't

1383
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,400
know what direction they need to head for his name

1384
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,400
to come on. THIS i don't have him on the

1385
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,519
hot seat. Necessarily but when you have a team In

1386
01:06:47,519 --> 01:06:50,519
philly where the expectations were, high you miss them for whatever,

1387
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:53,519
reason and now you might have a top six prospect

1388
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:54,679
on the. ROSTER i find it.

1389
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: Fascinating it's really one of those situations where if a

1390
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:03,880
team that we feel is you, know not necessarily going,

1391
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,960
anywhere jumps up in the draft lottery and gets a

1392
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:10,800
chance at Like Cooper flag for, example that could basically

1393
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,599
force a team's hand to just, say all, right, look

1394
01:07:14,199 --> 01:07:17,440
the clock has been. Reset we're starting over from. Scratch

1395
01:07:17,639 --> 01:07:21,159
like every plan that we had before the lottery is now.

1396
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:23,960
Dead we're starting. Over we have to start with the

1397
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,519
right coach For Cooper flag. Like that's like, again like

1398
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,320
the we brought up The. Pelicans that's a team if

1399
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,039
they win the, lottery right that they could use that

1400
01:07:35,079 --> 01:07:37,639
as a leaping as a springboard to, say, okay that

1401
01:07:37,719 --> 01:07:40,119
opens up a possibility to TRADING si. On that opens

1402
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:43,079
up a possibility training a bunch of other. Guys like

1403
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:46,440
the clock is. Reset, yes this the same is absolutely

1404
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,639
true in this. Scenario it's it's also true for it

1405
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:52,840
seemed Like dallas Or chicago for, Example like those teams

1406
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:57,079
if they jump up, somehow the clock resets and you

1407
01:07:57,159 --> 01:08:01,679
have to shuffle your. Priorities like, NO i was going

1408
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,559
to say To, ronto but that's not that's not going

1409
01:08:03,639 --> 01:08:05,760
to be. Relevant they're still going to run that same.

1410
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:12,840
Thing but it's, yeah circumstances. Change occasionally they still align

1411
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:16,199
with a coach's perspective or a coach's view or sometimes

1412
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:19,119
an organizations just head over heels about a guy in.

1413
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:21,880
Charge on the sideline and, going, oh, look we love

1414
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,239
your whether we're competing for a championship or we're rebuilding

1415
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,960
and we want to stick with. You and so there

1416
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,039
are these very different scenarios in. PLAY i guess we'll

1417
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:34,840
see it's funny that we haven't brought Up, miami, Right,

1418
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:38,000
like if there's ever a legacy coach was just never

1419
01:08:38,399 --> 01:08:41,119
on the hot, seed It's Coach.

1420
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:42,399
Speaker 2: BO i will.

1421
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: SAY i would love to Ask Wes, goldberg who covers

1422
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,239
this fantastic job covering the heat For Lockdown, heat about,

1423
01:08:49,239 --> 01:08:50,920
this because it does seem like the fan base has

1424
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,159
been more frustrated With Coach bow over the past two.

1425
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:56,800
Years THEN i sort of, remember and SO i would

1426
01:08:56,840 --> 01:09:00,520
BE i think there probably needs to be a fundamental

1427
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:03,079
change in the front office, first where it's, like is

1428
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:05,640
it someone other Than Andy ellisberg or Pat riley making

1429
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,439
this call for that to? Happen BUT i think about

1430
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,920
how many teams that we even just mentioned or other

1431
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,000
teams aren't would they consider just getting rid of their

1432
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,439
head coach At eric spoelstro be available.

1433
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 3: Like that that might be the name For New york

1434
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,880
If tips was, fired right And Coach bowl was, Ready.

1435
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 1: Yes that would. ABSOLUTELY i mean of the teams we,

1436
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,720
MENTIONED i think because they're also just the glamour market

1437
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,920
who probably won't care what they're paying. HIM i, mean

1438
01:09:31,119 --> 01:09:33,760
i'd like you, could he'd be a fit For LIKE

1439
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:36,680
i still think he's one of the three best head

1440
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,800
coaches in the. League is, like he's up there with

1441
01:09:39,159 --> 01:09:41,399
like just in, general not this, season but if you have,

1442
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,039
him Uh Rick carlisle's in. THERE i think That Mark

1443
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:48,039
dagnol has certainly earned the. Red Maybe Will hardy's in,

1444
01:09:48,079 --> 01:09:50,439
there but certainly one of the top five. Coaches so,

1445
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,520
yeah IT'S i you would be would you be, shocked

1446
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,920
like as it reached that, nay, dear and especially when

1447
01:09:57,039 --> 01:09:59,720
because of the, Picks like even if you convey your

1448
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,640
pick this, year WHICH i don't know if they, will

1449
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,560
but if you convey your pick this, year you're still

1450
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,319
kind of on a more immediate window because of That

1451
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,800
charlotte obligation in twenty twenty, Seven so it feels like

1452
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,399
you need and it's just even from, there it's how

1453
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:13,600
do you get better off of.

1454
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:18,039
Speaker 2: Air off Of eric's. POST i don't think you. DO

1455
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:19,640
i MEAN i would be.

1456
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 3: SHOCKED i, Would but at the same, time there's there's

1457
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,399
some components to this THAT i think.

1458
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:27,399
Speaker 2: We're we might be overlooking a little.

1459
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 3: Bit so remember when he got, hired all the hype was, like,

1460
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,720
oh one of the youngest head, coaches like thirty seven

1461
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:34,640
or thirty eight.

1462
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 2: Years, old along those.

1463
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 3: Lines, well you know he's he's pushing fifty, Five like

1464
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,239
he's fifty. Four he's gonna turn fifty five this, Year

1465
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,520
so like that matters. Too like there's a part of

1466
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,039
this where you also kind of go, Okay like the

1467
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:52,960
more the older you, get the more inclined you're gonna

1468
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:54,800
be to be a little bit stubborn about how you,

1469
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,000
Play like there are gonna be some some pushback from

1470
01:10:58,039 --> 01:10:59,760
a coach like OH i want to play a certain.

1471
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,359
Speaker 2: Way and maybe sometimes sometimes not saying this would, spoe

1472
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,920
but sometimes coaches kind of get stuck in there in

1473
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:10,760
their prime, era like they don't necessarily realize that the

1474
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,640
game has shifted because they've been so busy just focusing

1475
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,319
on their own. Thing tips is a guy who had

1476
01:11:17,359 --> 01:11:19,439
to adjust on the. Fly like there's a reason that

1477
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,640
things didn't work out as well In minnesota as, Well

1478
01:11:22,039 --> 01:11:24,239
like he came To New york and everyone was a

1479
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:27,640
little skeptical of, that but he showed us outside of

1480
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,800
the minutes distribution that you can't just ice to pick

1481
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,920
and roll all the, Time like you can't just do

1482
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,039
the same things you did In chicago ten years, ago

1483
01:11:37,319 --> 01:11:40,279
like you had to adapt and evolve to coach post.

1484
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:43,239
CREDIT i feel as though he's done that for the most.

1485
01:11:43,239 --> 01:11:45,319
Part but is that going to be true over the

1486
01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:47,439
next five. YEARS i don't know the answer to.

1487
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,760
Speaker 1: THAT i will SAY i think of anyone we've mentioned

1488
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,079
so far his contract, situation just what would they signed

1489
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:55,720
him in twenty twenty four is the eight, year one

1490
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,279
hundred and twenty million dollar. EXTENSION i don't know what

1491
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,640
the type of options are at that were Were this

1492
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,279
is the first full season that we're now into that,

1493
01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:06,720
Extension so like that would be you know WHAT i?

1494
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,560
MEAN i want to throw out another name, here and

1495
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,479
it's and maybe it's more of a. Category who's the

1496
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:15,159
head coach that's just most likely to? Quit it can

1497
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:18,399
be someone we already, mentioned BUT i thought, about Like

1498
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,560
Jason kidd In. Dallas does he want no part of

1499
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,600
what's going on in? There but he's maybe someone who's

1500
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,439
not super desirable should he hit the open. Market is

1501
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,239
there even a chance For jason kid. That, okay they

1502
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:32,840
Trade Anthony davis this summer for some reason and then

1503
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,880
they decide that they need a different look at a head.

1504
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,800
Coach was? There do you look at any situations like

1505
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,640
who's the head coach that's just most likely to want

1506
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,239
out of their current situation rather than we're putting them

1507
01:12:41,239 --> 01:12:43,079
on the hot, seat but they want to put their

1508
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:44,199
organization on the hot.

1509
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 3: Seat, WELL i, mean, again it depends on what happens

1510
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:49,439
to the. Lottery but if The bulls win the lottery

1511
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:53,680
and start over Around Cooper, flag that is probably going

1512
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,399
to be the end of it For Billy, donovan who

1513
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,640
just does not want to be a part of a

1514
01:12:58,680 --> 01:12:59,600
rebuilding situation.

1515
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:04,359
Speaker 2: Whatever he's made that painfully. Clear so like those situations can,

1516
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:05,479
ARISE i, THINK.

1517
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,359
Speaker 1: I, YEAH i think that's probably the. Names i'm just

1518
01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:11,079
going through it And i'm trying to. Think i'd be

1519
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:14,479
curious to see What portland just Gave joe cronin an.

1520
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,840
Extension i'd be curious to see how they really feel

1521
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,399
About Johncey billups after the. SEASON i do not the

1522
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:21,560
defense has been. GREAT i do feel a lot of

1523
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,960
the times it's personnel, driven AND i don't know how

1524
01:13:24,039 --> 01:13:25,680
much credit to give him for, that but the offense

1525
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,640
just feels like blah to like two blah at points

1526
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:33,720
like doesn't like kind of absence of defining. Principles and

1527
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,079
THEN i have not been thrilled with the way that

1528
01:13:37,159 --> 01:13:39,520
and Like Scoot henderson's had a better, year but he

1529
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,199
had he was not as good like Post All star,

1530
01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:45,199
break and like how much of that falls On Chauncey

1531
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:47,479
bilbs for not doing? More BUT i don't think the

1532
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,039
person like when you look at him And Danny avdia

1533
01:13:50,039 --> 01:13:52,359
and Even Donovan clinton's, FINISHING i just think the personnel

1534
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,199
is that impacts that a, lot because the spacing In

1535
01:13:55,239 --> 01:13:58,159
portland is, meant but that's just sort of another name

1536
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,600
where it's, well Does portland consider him like the guy

1537
01:14:01,319 --> 01:14:04,000
to and we now Know cronin would have the? LATITUDE

1538
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,239
i would think to make that, call but have like

1539
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:09,079
after this, season specifically when the defense and a lot

1540
01:14:09,119 --> 01:14:12,960
of individual players have made like the, strides do you

1541
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:16,119
make that? Call but Also portland doesn't seem to necessarily

1542
01:14:16,199 --> 01:14:20,319
be invested in this super gradual timeline anymore based off

1543
01:14:20,319 --> 01:14:22,039
them going out and Getting Denny avi in the first,

1544
01:14:22,079 --> 01:14:24,159
place and it looks like that's gonna work. Out they're

1545
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:27,279
just they're all sorts of despite all the encouraging, signs

1546
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:30,520
despite the breadth of talent, there like they're deep WITH nba,

1547
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,000
talent one of the deepest teams in the, league they're

1548
01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:34,800
just so fuzzy and hazy moving.

1549
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 3: Forward for, ME i wouldn't hate a Coaching james, There

1550
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,159
but to answer your, question just a guy who will

1551
01:14:40,359 --> 01:14:43,399
just float out. Leave do you see do you Think

1552
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:47,439
Charles Charles lee is just, like you know, WHAT i.

1553
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,000
CAN'T i can't with this, guy if, MORE i can't

1554
01:14:50,039 --> 01:14:53,880
with this Franchise seymore this one, YEAR i just.

1555
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: Nope do you know WHAT i think works in one

1556
01:14:58,359 --> 01:15:00,479
he worked so long to get the heck coaching. Job

1557
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:02,439
but also the fact that it's a different front office Than.

1558
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,840
Charlotte if this Was Mitch kupcheck a couple of years, Ago, okay,

1559
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:08,600
maybe but it does seem Like Jeff peterson and crew

1560
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,119
understand what needs to. Happen The hornets are probably like

1561
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:16,600
they're still really far, away but they DON'T i get

1562
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,479
what you're, saying, like but, YEAH i could see just

1563
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,680
being subjected to the injuries of it all like for

1564
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:23,000
maybe organizational culture is, great but the injuries of it

1565
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,720
all and it's oh And LaMelo's rigid defensive. Stances, Yeah

1566
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,399
i'm out, Right i'll go be an assistant for a

1567
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:28,880
couple more years and then come back as a.

1568
01:15:29,079 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 3: Coach, NO i, HONESTLY i don't think there's, LIKE i

1569
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,079
don't think there's anyone who's who's like a prime.

1570
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,720
Speaker 2: Candidate to just up and leave out of out of, nothing.

1571
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: RIGHT i, mean, WELL i think we may have mentioned,

1572
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,119
him all, Right Michael, Malone like that just seems like

1573
01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:48,600
a situation like remember The Rick Carlisle mavericks thing where

1574
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,359
it was, Like i'm gonna get you before you get,

1575
01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:53,399
me couldn't you? THERE i think his contract was at

1576
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,439
more of an organic pivot. POINT i can't remember Off,

1577
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,920
rip but that would be the name where IT'S i

1578
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,840
love Coaching, nicolio But i'm a championship head. Coach i'll

1579
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,800
probably get another, opportunity even IF i have to sit

1580
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,880
out a year if things just go sour between him

1581
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,880
and the front. Office since that, dynamic let's play it,

1582
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:13,520
kindly it's at least not peachy, keen, right.

1583
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 3: But like you would still be the coach who decided

1584
01:16:20,359 --> 01:16:24,319
on his own terms to leave a situation where he

1585
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,840
was coaching perhaps the best center of all.

1586
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,359
Speaker 2: Time THAT'S i, mean So Rick carlo.

1587
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,319
Speaker 1: Decided, yeah and it's. Different Rick carli clashed With Luca

1588
01:16:34,399 --> 01:16:37,920
and it doesn't seem Like Michael malone And yokic you've

1589
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:38,399
ever had that.

1590
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:43,239
Speaker 2: Issue, no they seem to greatly respect one. ANOTHER i did.

1591
01:16:43,319 --> 01:16:46,520
Speaker 1: Wonder let's just say now that the ownership change is

1592
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,920
going to be, official assuming The board Of governors ratifies,

1593
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,800
it if they decide to cut costs, again or If

1594
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:54,840
Tim connolly decides that he wants to leave because he

1595
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,520
has is there any chance That Chris finch is just

1596
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,960
sort of, like by, god it's LIKE i can't do this.

1597
01:16:59,039 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 3: ANYMORE i, mean look that that might actually be a

1598
01:17:03,039 --> 01:17:08,159
fairly reasonable, answer you, know he because there would be

1599
01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:09,600
jobs for him out.

1600
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 2: THERE i would IMAGINE i would, Agree, yeah, yeah.

1601
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah that. Yeah IF i had to pick, one it

1602
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:19,319
would Be Michael. Malone there just doesn't seem like a

1603
01:17:19,319 --> 01:17:21,199
ton of good candidates. Here but if there were sort

1604
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:23,720
of a, shock maybe a situation that you would call fairly,

1605
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,439
shocking where, it's, OH i can't get to like This Boelstra,

1606
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,000
tire but something Like Chris finch In, minnesota just like

1607
01:17:30,199 --> 01:17:33,119
some because that franchise has been an acid trip the

1608
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:35,520
past couple of, years specifically because of just the highs

1609
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,399
and the. MEDIUMS i guess that they've.

1610
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 3: Explored, WELL i, mean, look you know what'd be funny as.

1611
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,119
Fuck IT'S Jj reddick going you know. WHAT i prefer

1612
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:46,600
podcasting and just saying, nope this this for.

1613
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,960
Speaker 1: Me i'd like to get in a role where, Me Steve,

1614
01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:51,560
nash And lebron are podcasting. TOGETHER i think that's WHERE

1615
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:52,000
i call for.

1616
01:17:52,119 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 3: Me, well remember when When Magic johnson was, like, No

1617
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,560
I'm i'm resigning as THE gm with The lakers BECAUSE

1618
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:00,279
i wanted to weed.

1619
01:18:00,319 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 1: Again oh, yeah well this is maybe it's a stupid,

1620
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,840
question but like they haven't necessarily shown a ton of

1621
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,720
progress under. Him if The spurs gig came, opened or

1622
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,479
if he thought there might be a better. Fit could

1623
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,640
you see just something bruin With Quinn snyder In. Atlanta

1624
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,680
maybe they don't fight him if he wants to, leave

1625
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:21,199
or is he gonna want to be there if they

1626
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:24,000
Take Trey young trade, calls WHICH i, DON'T i don't

1627
01:18:24,039 --> 01:18:27,000
NECESSARILY i honestly feel like Job burant's more likely to

1628
01:18:27,039 --> 01:18:29,199
get moved this offseason Then Trey young at this. Point so,

1629
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,880
Yeah i'm just that's a situation where IT'S i Like

1630
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,760
Quinn snyder as a head. COACH i don't hate the

1631
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,640
fit even relative to the. Personnel they've had some just

1632
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,319
really good stretches this, Year BUT i don't know, That

1633
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:41,760
oh is this like is this the right fit for

1634
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:45,560
both of those those parties would, Though that's where like

1635
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,199
San antonio is the one where it's opticized not to come.

1636
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:51,399
Back do you investigate that he want? To is?

1637
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: There Then Mitch johnston should be on the list for

1638
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:54,439
so many.

1639
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:59,159
Speaker 1: Teams what ABOUT i mean If Michael malone got fired or,

1640
01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:02,720
Left snyder In denver could be really, interesting.

1641
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,840
Speaker 3: That actually could be. Fun, Yeah jokic would will play

1642
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,359
for the like the high caliber coaches as. WELL i

1643
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,880
think he'll play for, Anyone but like there has to

1644
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,880
be a certain level of know, how a certain level

1645
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,640
of respect. THERE i, think like you have to be

1646
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,119
really cautious with that hire if that becomes.

1647
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:22,079
Speaker 2: Available, yeah for.

1648
01:19:22,119 --> 01:19:25,359
Speaker 1: SURE i mean he you ask him to, say but you.

1649
01:19:25,359 --> 01:19:26,760
Don't he doesn't seem like the type of player who

1650
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,920
would give his, input, Right and if, ANYTHING i think

1651
01:19:29,319 --> 01:19:31,319
we didn't talk about this enough With Michael. MALONE i

1652
01:19:31,319 --> 01:19:33,760
know we mentioned it tangentially if you're inna f like

1653
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:35,319
you need to make sure that that's not going to

1654
01:19:35,399 --> 01:19:37,279
Disenfranchise yo kitchen any, way.

1655
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:38,319
Speaker 2: Right SO.

1656
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 3: I actually don't subscribe to the idea that he's not like.

1657
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: INVOLVED i.

1658
01:19:45,039 --> 01:19:47,199
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't think he's a guy who's just like

1659
01:19:47,319 --> 01:19:51,760
completely hands. OFF I i do think like they will

1660
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:54,800
occasionally run stuff By Jo kich and he'll be, like,

1661
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,880
yeah that works for, Me gotta go back to my,

1662
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,039
Horses like that's that's probably one of those.

1663
01:20:01,079 --> 01:20:04,760
Speaker 2: Things but it'd be crazy not.

1664
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 3: To and, LIKE i know that people have this idea

1665
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,920
of him that he's you, know he shies away from the,

1666
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:15,319
media he's very. Passive he's like an. Introvert He's. Serpian trust,

1667
01:20:15,359 --> 01:20:18,119
me he's not. Introverted that is not he is not

1668
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:21,920
like he will share his opinion and that we've heard

1669
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,039
that before as. Well SO i think getting his input is,

1670
01:20:26,039 --> 01:20:30,159
crucial absolutely, Crucial like you have to find the exact right,

1671
01:20:30,199 --> 01:20:32,840
coach you have to ask, him you have to figure something.

1672
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,920
Out and, ye you absolutely do Not you do not

1673
01:20:36,199 --> 01:20:40,439
Fire Michael malone without having Asked yokich. First AND i

1674
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,920
honestly Believe ki is going to be, like why why

1675
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,800
do you want to do? That and if they come

1676
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:49,159
back to him with something, like, well you, know he

1677
01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:51,800
he and us we don't really get, along will just

1678
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:54,000
like look at his stare at them going about my,

1679
01:20:54,079 --> 01:20:58,520
problem like just get get Coach malone, Back that's WHAT i.

1680
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:02,079
Want so if it comes down To, JOKIC i DON'T

1681
01:21:02,119 --> 01:21:03,199
i don't Think michael locos.

1682
01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: Anymore we said we were gonna do forty five minutes on.

1683
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,079
This we did eighty. Plus so you're welcome. More i'm sorry,

1684
01:21:08,119 --> 01:21:11,279
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1685
01:21:11,279 --> 01:21:14,319
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1686
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,079
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1687
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1688
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:19,640
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1689
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,960
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1690
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:28,159
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1691
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1692
01:21:30,319 --> 01:21:32,640
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1693
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,640
i'm really horrible at. IT i need to get so much,

1694
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,960
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1695
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,279
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1696
01:21:39,359 --> 01:21:44,079
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1698
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1699
01:21:48,319 --> 01:21:51,520
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