Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos, I am Dana Valley coming
at you with more Yensen of the NBA Podcast, fame
of the Yaka Sports, Fame of Orks, Fame of Only Fans, celebrity.
We are here to talk about with the NBA regular
season coming to a close, before we kind of get
into the nitty gritty of the playoffs, then we have
to do offseason content. We're like, wow, like a month
away at least from that really picking up. When there
are so few teams playing, we want to kind of
take stock of just the coaching landscape. We've done a
lot of are these teams screwed? Who has the best futures?
We've done that exercise a handful of times. This is
adjacent to that, but it's just it's good to have
a look at. Okay, as the regular season comes to
an end, which teams are going to be taking stock
of their head coaching situations that you know, make the
lottery or just don't make the playoffs or even you know.
The more interesting discussion is the teams that could see
their coaching situations impacted by the outcome of the playoffs,
so not necessarily blowing it up. Sometime I mean the
easiest thing to change as the coach. We all know that,
and for a lot of these teams that might be
what they consider their only option before we get started.
Speaker 2: More, how are you doing doing well? Sir?
Speaker 3: Doing well? Kind of counting down the days for the
regular season. It's funny, right, because the more important the
NBA season becomes, the less work I always feel like
I have to do, because instead of covering thirty teams,
you kind of cut fourteen teams off and you say,
all right, like of active team, it's going to be
sixteen initially. And I feel like my workload kind of
decreases a little bit as the playoffs get rolling, which
feels counterintuitive. So I'm very much looking forward to shelving
the eighty hour work weeks and just kind of say,
all right, let's get back down to.
Speaker 2: A normal level.
Speaker 1: I find myself at the moment fatigued by like the
March April basketball still of it all, because we have
like the tie break the Eastern Conference playoff picture. I'm
just over like it's a four or five to six
race at this point, and it's just like we know
what the six teams are gonna be. The play in
doesn't move me because none of those teams are going anywhere,
But like all this West stuff is happening, and so
like those games have been like high stakes, like looking
at you know what the Rockets were able to do
the Warriors the other night. At the same time, there
are some teams that just continue to miss guys with injuries.
Denver with Jamal Murray that it's just I'm ready for
I want people to be healthy in the playoffs to
be even higher stakes. But thankfully we do have at
least the fascinating races for seating in the Western Conference,
which remain hell fire. Let's dive in. Think we should
begin with the coaches that shouldn't qualify for this list,
which they're basically there on an interim basis, and there
are three unless we're missing everyone we have. Tumas is
slow in Memphis after they fired Taylor Jenkins. His case
is interesting because doesn't it seem like he would be
considered the favorite to land the gig based off how
aggressive they weren't adding him to the assistant staff or
are you kind of at the point where don't ask
me what Memphis is doing?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, no, little latter because like that late
in the season.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't think we can take anyway of anything away
from that yet, but it is interesting, and we do
know he's offensive minded, Like this is a roster that
could need more offensive creativity, especially moving forward. So yeah,
I'm not closing the door on a return there.
Speaker 1: What's what Mitch Johnson in San Antonio, which is just
I guess you'd call him an interim head coach. It's
just he's he's warming Greg Popovic's spot. There was the
reporting that following his stroke from ESPN that it's still
gonna come down to, you know, it's Greg Popovich's option
whether he wants to return. He had some you know,
pretty insightful quotes to his team Apparently. I don't know
what to make of that situation. I would love to
see pop on the sideline again, but you're also in
the territory of we just hope that he's he's healthy,
and so that situation is like you can't really forecast
anything because even if you say, oh, Popovich isn't going
to come back, I don't like, would Mitch Johnson be
considered the favorite to retain the position, Like remember when
it felt like this succession plan was pretty clearly in
place in San Antonio, but Popovich's coach for so long
that it's kind of just become this opaque situation, which
is again it's fine, but it makes it tougher to
kind of dig into.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, so.
Speaker 3: I've I've been around this person a little bit because
they were in Paris as well, and I just want
to say this, mits Johnson has done a hell of
a job. Like I asked Chris Paul about, you know,
his thoughts on this whole thing, because like when Chris
signed obviously he didn't know how things would shake out
and everything, and he was just like, no, Mitch is
a hooper. Mitch just has his engaged like there wasn't
a single bad word. And I'm not expecting Chris Paul
of all people to come out and talk trash. But
like I've stayed you know, pretty you know, in tune
with where the team is going and like with how
players are feeling about Mitch. And whenever I asked some
questions as well, he gave me really good answers, like
really thoughtful answers, Like I think this guy has done
a remarkable in San Antonio, Like he didn't know what
to expect there. He got thrown into it in a
very public manner like injuries in and out. Wemby goes
down after forty six games as well. I know they're
losing a ton of games and people are like, well,
how good can he really be?
Speaker 2: Like really good?
Speaker 3: He's the way that he has everyone on the same page,
the complete buy in.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if Pop returns or not.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and say
anything about that because I have no idea. All I
know is that if Mitch Johnson is ever finding himself
as a coach free agent out there, a lot of
teams should be interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, depending on how many have openings, Like if they're
not ready to commit in San Antonia, I would say,
I think he's done good enough, Like you've just kind
of seen stuff with the way they might use Jeremy Sohan,
some of the guys off the bench, even Calden Johnson,
that I would assume that he would be a pretty
serious candidate should Pop not return. But even if he's not,
if they know Pop is coming back, I'll be curious
to see will he want to stay there or will
will he get interviews for any of these? What one?
We have three openings flat out, and then any openings
that might materialize from there. I think our third one
would be interim head coaches Mike Budenholzer and Phoenix. I'm
glad you caught that it is actually Doug Christy in Sacramento.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My question to you is, will Vadi DeVos be coaching
and GMing the Kings next year?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: God, you really want to do that to Kings fans
right now? Just opening up that door, man, They haven't
hard enough. Look as much fun as it would be
to see the two thousand and two Kings somehow return,
I'm not sure it has to be in those specific roles.
Like I will say this, Doug Christy has done pretty good.
I don't think he should be a guy you count
out like for the job long term. We'll see what happens, though,
because I feel like the coaching question in Sacramento is
like not a big priority right now. It's more along
the lines of what about some bonus? Is he gonna
stick around? Like what is going to happen to the
rest of this team? Like is there even in playing
in place? It feels like everything that's a bigger question
is like roster related or ownership like related, like head coach.
I feel like it's like way down on the list
of priorities.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there's a trickle down because we know who's
the owner is going to be. But I would wonder
how safe is Monte McNair's job, just because if heads
are going to roll, you would think that the front
office could be in play there. The fact that they
did fire Mike Brown kind of makes me think that
McNair is, if you don't want to call him safe,
but will be the one. You know, they let him
make the darn Fox trade and then he does the
Mike Brown firing as well. I would think he'd be
the one making this decision, which I think would allow
us to discuss head coaches. But again, I think you know,
they had that kind of post Doug Christy bump immediately
after the firing. That's definitely set down. They were playing
so well in crunch time, they couldn't possibly have got
excuse me, playing so poorly in crunch time. They couldn't
possibly have gotten much worse from there. I think that
you've seen This is more of a comment on the
team's depth, but like the issues are the same, Like
the defense can just yeah, if it gets set, it
might be okay. They have some lineups that can figure
it out. Doug Christy has to be heavy, relying, heavily
relyant on his key guys because there are questions about
the depth. Kean Allis has generally played more under him.
I think that's good. And he's shooting like forty five
percent from three while still playing solid defense under Christy.
So these are all all the interim guys I would
expect like they will be in the running. I do think,
you know, these are all teams because of the Popovich ties,
and then of course, just what the Grizzlies and uh,
excuse me Grizzlies and as I'm choking over here, Grizzlies
and Kings are doing. You might not want to hazard
a guess. I kind of feel like Elow of every
of all the three that we talked has the strongest
chance of being the head coach of the team that
he's currently chaperoning right now. Would be my stants, you
want to, I'll let you have the first pick the
coach we talk about.
Speaker 3: Can we like we almost have to start right with
the guy who we all were like, what the hell?
And I feel like that's dock Rivers, Like I understand
that Milwaukee is the top five seed in the East,
but at the same time, it's doc like he tends
to pick up good regular seasons and in the playoffs
we'll see. I think he is a guy we shouldn't
you know, plays as the guy moving forward next year necessarily,
Like I'm not saying he's gonna get fired. They played
well after the All Star break overall, Like, there's nothing
right now that's super pressing. What I feel like, this
is still a team that could flame the hell out
in the playoffs. And if they do, like, if they
get bounced in the first round, are we not gonna
Like you said at the top, Daan, like the easiest
thing to do is make a coaching change.
Speaker 2: Are we sure Milwaukee wouldn't go that route?
Speaker 3: If they get completely curb stomped in the first round, you.
Speaker 1: Have to at least consider it, right if the plan
is to run back Damian Lillard and Yannis attend to
Kombo and I don't think what helps is we're having
this discussion right now. It's not just that the playoffs
have not taken place. It's that is Damian Lillard even
going to be a participant right in them because of
the DVT in his CAF. So I think you look
at it, but it almost kind of feels like if
you're now making like another head coaching change within this
two or two and a half year window, do you
almost think that, okay, has the Yanni situation gone to
crap at that point and so are you just making
a head coaching change because you made such a roster
overhaul or do you think that it is This has
become an interesting debate among Bucks fans, and they're more
divided than I expected them to be. I have fallen
into the camp that just because of how your picks
are owed and spread across across the league until Jannis
says that he doesn't want to be there. I'm just
trying to ride this thing out. But a lot of
Bucks fans and I'm sure media people believe that, well,
you should just move him now, get the best return
possible and start over. Which if you're going that route,
we know you'll get rid of Doc Rivers because that's
not really his thing. Do you think it's more likely
that they get rid of Doc rivers and try and
basically run it back or improve on the margins. Or
do you view this as if you're getting doc rivers.
This could be more of an implosive proposition with well,
there's some other pretty seismic roster moves happening here that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I will say what side I fall into with Gianna specifically,
because that kind of dictates everything. You have to just,
like you said, right with him as long as you
possibly can. Giannis is the type of guy who occasionally
like goes to the media and says something sort of
like insinuating, Hey, you know what, like I have options,
and it's always like to motivate the inner workings of
the front office to get something done.
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to leave Milwaukee. He's super loyal.
Speaker 3: He's like a very what do you call like the
people who like comfort, who wants to stay a homebody?
Speaker 2: That was the word I was looking for.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's particularly interested in moving off like
he's one of the title first and foremost. I think
that just getting that monkey off his back is huge.
That means that there's less pressure of that whole situation.
But I do think he still wants to be in
a competitive market, like on a competitive team. He wants
to fight for another ring. He wants to do all
those things. The question is the roster is one thing
you have the coaching staff. There's still questions around that,
like can you get anything, Like let's say Dame is
going to be fine? Can you get younger if you
pivot off him? If so, how better can you even
get better? In that regard? I'm not sure. It does
feel like eventually something's going to give here because the
Bucks can't keep getting older and older, like they have
to become younger. And that's where we run into the
Doc Rivers problem, like is he going to play young
guys where the organ is gonna need them to get
investment minutes on the court to develop, or are they
going to look at that and goes, hey, look, Doc,
we just need you to play those guys and if
you don't, you're fired. Like, I don't know how that's
going to play out regardless. I think there's gonna come
at tipping point there.
Speaker 1: And there's also kind of he's played like okay, AJ
Green and Ryan Rollins and Kevin Porter Junior. But for
the most part he's had to so what happens. I mean,
you look at a KPJ. I guess specific and Ryan Rollins.
Of course, if Dame was healthy, how much are you
dusting those guys off in the playoff? Would have been
a nice barometer for okay, can Doc do this? Because
we've mentioned this ad nauseum. Now like Torrian Prince, Gary
Trent junior free agents that you do not have bird
rights on Brook Lopez is going to be a free
agent too. I will say I'm assuming Dame is. I
don't think Dame is unhappy there, but I was curious
and kind of banning about, like is there a situation
where Dame might see the writing on the wall with
Giannis long term and decide that, oh, I'm just going
to ask her out now. And you kind of brought
the challenges up with that of well, is there a
way for you to get better while mooming Damian Lillard?
And if you can't, I don't think I'm not saying
you have to move Damian Lillard, but if he's sort
of getting a little bit cagy like that is going
to accelerate the Yannest timeline. And so there's just it's
so many layers here, I would agree that you have
to look at the coaching. If you're planning on running back,
I think Jannis Damon, let's assume they resign Brook either way,
like there needs to be moves made with this roster,
and it just forget about the financial situation, like they're
gonna start the offseason under the tax without Brook Lopez's
money on the books. That being said, it's do you
trade you have a twenty thirty one or twenty thirty
two first round pick if you don't know what's going
on with Giannis, if you don't know what's going on
with Dame, it makes it that much harder to improve
the roster because you can't put your best asset assets
on the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally agree, and so that's why I bring him
up because I think that whole situation. I think generally
when we discuss these situations with coaches, you have to
look at it through a wider lens as well, just
organizational direction like roster construction, all these things, and something
just doesn't like I don't it's a hard it's difficult
for me to like pinpoint exactly what it is. But
something to me feels off on that team. It's not
just the age, which is one thing, but like I
feel like the offense remains somewhat predictable, not really that creative.
Speaker 2: And then there's a.
Speaker 3: Counter argument that people have been making for years, like
how creative a system can you really have around Giannis
who's a slasher, who's like a fastbreak guy who isn't
necessarily you know, a Luka danct sort of create a creator,
And that's an interesting discussion. I don't know the answer
to that, Like I don't know if if it's Yiannis
who limits an offensive creativity or if it's Doc or like,
I don't own the answer, but I would at least
try to move away from Doc before I move away
from Yannis, to see if there's something you can unlock.
Speaker 2: With some else.
Speaker 1: I will say, I think there are challenges when it
comes to building around Jannis Stantacombo, and those might become
more pronounces as he gets older. But based off kind
of what we've seen, and I know you've watched some
of it as well, post Dame injury, where Giannis is
just initiating everything, it's kind of proof that hey, you
can use this guy in all sorts of different ways.
So I would still let it fall on Doc and
look either way, whether it comes down to are you
moving Gianni's or you're not moving Gianni's like you should
be looking at the coaching situation anyway. Yes, moral of
the story. So I'm gonna go with I think we
both could have predicted that this person's name would have
wound up here. I'm gonna go with Michael Malone in Denver.
And they're not a team that we've talked about a
lot recently because they haven't fallen into like these profound buckets.
But the vibes, like ever since that was was it
the Warriors loss, it just feels like the vibes or
the Timberwolves loss. Excuse me that that Bonker's game where
Westbrook has that sequence where misses the bunny and then
fouls on the three point attempt, then you lose to
go in State on the second night of a back
to back. This team is so up and down, and
I think you always can have pointed to this coming
to a head for two primary reasons. One, you're just
getting to a point where it's the easiest thing to
change is the head coach it's now been It'll have
been a couple of years since the title what else
are you gonna expect them to do? But two, there
was clearly a disconnect between him and the front office
last year leading into this year where who they wanted
him to play and the way for him to play
some of these guys more was they had to take
a club. Was like, no Justin Holliday on this team
this year, Like you're gonna rely on the younger, You're
gonna have to play through when Peyton Watson is healthy,
give Julian strawth minutes. I don't. I'm just curious, like
what that discussion is going to be like at the
end of the season. I think you look at their
player development this year and okay, maybe they've discovered some
things with Zeke Naji, Christian Brown has had a really
good year overall, but the Russell Westbrook experience is kind
of turning on them. And while they're or.
Speaker 2: Not when that happened, who could have seen that?
Speaker 1: You have to What I will say is that the
vibes around Russell Westbrook were better in Denver for a
lot longer than I would have predicted. But they're kind
of seeing now like this is someone who can cost
you games and doesn't necessarily know how to continue playing
inside himself. It might always gravitate towards doing more than
he should or just making bad decisions. But you just
have the layer of inconsistency from your best players who
aren't your kisch with Murray been on a tear basically
for a while, but now he's injured again, and that's
always been a concern with him, even when he's playing well.
Aaron Gordon dealt with injuries this year and hasn't felt
like the same Aaron Gordon watching at least like watching
him on defense, it doesn't feel the same. Michael Porter
Junior is just wildly like I man, if we need
like a rolling game rating for him, I have to
get on Adam Framo of the director of NBA and
NFL fan side. It does these rolling like player ratings.
If you looked at his over the course of his career,
it might have one of the wildest like peaks and
valleys like lined to it. So I don't know, you know,
I don't know how much responsibility I lay at the
feet of Michael Malone at this point when you're looking
at the personnel that's available to him, and then some
of the even if you're fine with who they let go,
they couldn't keep Brown. We don't need to bring up
kcp's name again. I think he's the one more so
than any of the players, just because I find whether
it's a Michael Porter junior trade or Jamal Murray trade,
I just find that so challenging to make. And I
don't think Calvin Booth or that front office is going
to say, well, let's attach Christian Brown or Peyton Watson
too a package and really try to go because that's
the way for them to Like, you can't call it
a home run package. But if you wanted to make
a substantial upgrade or make sort of a like a
real trade without touching your core, and even then they
make so little, you probably have to include one of
your bigger salaries. Anyway, I don't want to say I'll
be surprised because I could see the Nuggets getting to
the conference finals. I think number two behind OKC is.
I think Golden State could be that team. I think
Denver could be that team. I think Buck in Houston
could be that team. At this point, I wouldn't have
said that, So to wrap it up, I'm not saying
I'm tracking towards the prise if Michael Malone is gonna
be there. But I feel a lot less confident about
Michael Malone still being in Denver to start next season
than I did probably eight or twelve weeks ago.
Speaker 3: It's it's the entire issue with the front office to
me that makes him a candidate because honestly, yeah, I'm
looking at this roster and I'm thinking he's done pretty
much what you can get out of it, Like, yeah,
do I have some issues with how he's using Strawther
for example. I would like to see him, you know,
get more shots off the bench and become like that,
that primary scoring option off the bench.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's leaned into that. I think there he's.
Speaker 3: Kind of been you the force to use his starter's
way too much this year, Like he's lost a lot
of guys. So I have a hard time putting that
on him. I think that's more so on the front office.
And frankly, it's not like I hated the idea of
them saying, look, we're gonna take a year back, like
or one step back to develop these guys, because maybe
that prolongs are a championship window. So maybe we'll take
two steps forward because of that investment. Like I'm not
even saying that's a that's a bad idea, but it
just seems like the vision of those two parties don't
really align. And that's why I'm there. I will say this,
I've just said this on this pod before. I believe
that Bruce Brown has gotten his money and is ready
to come back. And if that is the case, I
would like to see Michael Malone still there. He was
heartbroken when Bruce left, like absolutely heartbroken. I would love
to see a reunion there. So come on, Denver, just
make sure Mike is there. If you lock in Bruce
Brown services just one more year, let's see.
Speaker 1: He's I think, Look, we know they're willing, which you
could I will. I'll say this, I have trolled there
are many mid level signings the past two years and
will continue to do so because they've been awful, but
they have been a team that's at least willing to
use it, which is not something that's you know, that
thing isn't being thrown around. I don't think that Bruce
Brown has played well enough to command much more than that.
I mean, he's shooting thirty seven and a half percent
from three in New Orleans. But like whatever his appearance
is at sub ten appearances in New Orleans, that he's
gonna end up with or that's what he has at
the moment. Oh no, twenty. I'm sorry, but I just
don't think his market's gonna be too robust and so
that helps them. I don't know that I don't view
him as someone good enough that oh this is like
the difference, like let's have us run it back, but
he is. He's definitely more of a cerebral and plug
and play option, even having some similar limitations at points
to Russell Westbrook. When you look at how defenses respect
him from beyond the arc, clearly a better fit. I
don't want to see Michael Malone leave either, just because
the like him and Jokic seem to have a good relationship.
And I not that I feel like contentw he's the
great market inefficiency. But there's just some situations you get
sappy for, and Michael Malone and Denver's become one of
them for me, in part because this is why I
can't run a team, because you can't let this factor
into it. But there were so many times when they
were dealing with injuries before their title that some people
thought it made sense to change the coach. They didn't.
It worked out, that was really cool, But yeah, it's
I just don't know, and can it almost be made
difficult by what if you had to chopper in one
player or acquisition, Like what is what is it that
this team needs the most? Because I think you can
rattle off a bunch of different needs and Bruce Brown again,
I think that's a solidist. Having that type of reserve,
that type of competence coming off the bench would be major.
But I don't think that it alters the Denver team
that we're watching, Like you know, buy an incredible margin.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm baking it into also improvements from the current team,
Like I don't think Julian Strawther is not going to
get better, Like I think he's gonna get better goingast
the next year. Paper Watch to me is the big
one because it feels like he's the guy who could
make like that leap, right the internal leap going from
year three to year four, Like he's made these small
ish leaps every single year. I feel like if he
can hit that next level next season, that is like
an indirect free agent acquisition in and of itself, Bruce
Brown is like the connector the floor guy, like you know,
the person who comes in off the bench and just
kind of runs the show. He knows everything that Mike
wants out of him. He knows how to play with
Yo Kisch. She wanted freaking title with him, Like, I
just I think there's something there where we're saying, oh yeah,
but Bruce Brown kind of stunk up the joint over
the past two years, right, That's probably why he would
be interested in going back to Denver because he knows
that system. He wouldn't be coming into something new.
Speaker 2: He would just.
Speaker 3: Roll back into a warm blanket of comfort and get
to work, which I think is something we can't understate
in terms of importance. So I'm baking that in with
internal improvements. Also, are we closing the door on Like
if Brown comes back, that's on a min deal, so
they still have their exception, Like is that door fully closed?
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's not. I don't I honestly don't.
Like could the Pelicans decide that they just want sort
of a salary placeholder on the books because players care
about bird rights more than ever, It feels like that's true.
The Peyton Watson things interesting because I remain is so
high on him, But do you think that there's a
way for them to actualize anything close to his peak
given the current Like look at the players in front,
I'm looking offensively at the pecking order, and if he
could do things I think to fit in a larger
scheme better that look the three point volume off forever
watch even when he's hitting those threes. But the bigger
thing is there's also someone that needs to get stronger,
Like yeah, yeah, he can get to the ram espressing
in transition, Like his finishing is kind of whatever for
someone who is six', Eight like it's going to be
in the medium percentile AT bet at this. Rate so
can he come back? Stronger can he come back ready
to make more of? It like can he be a
higher usage player in a larger offensive ecosystem that has
at times if he's on the, court like he just
might be the number five guy when you're Talking Murray,
Jokic Gordon Reporter Junior Christian. Brown so IF i Was,
Denver i'd probably be even THOUGH i think that he
could still technically have a higher ceiling Than, brown depending
on what cost could be for eitherland an. EXTENSION i
wouldn't if you think there's the right player out, There
like is there a higher End Bruce brown or just
a name that would come to mind for them where
it's you can Attach Peyton watson. Too you, know you
look at The, zekenagy The Dario sharz player option. MONEY
i wouldn't be opposed to, it just BECAUSE i don't
know if he's ever going to even come close to
touching his ceiling on this iteration of The.
Speaker 3: Nuggets oh, Yeah, no, no, No like if there's a chance
to get significantly better and that is made available by
Attaching Peyton, Watson i'm not closing the door on. That
i'm just saying THAT i think there is some internal
improvement to expect out of. Him but you're, right he
has not shown any one of us enough over his
first three seasons to somehow be like untouchable in the
trade market for. Example, no, no absolutely. NOT i will
also say this In denver's, defense AND i know you're
gonna laugh at, me and it's fair because, like why
would it seem like them rely on a? ROOKIE i get,
It but The Ron holmes going down and not playing
a single vinute this year THAT i think was a
big one because he was good value at that, Slot
like they needed someone like him with great, size with
a scoring, touch someone who could rebound the heck out
of the, ball someone who could just do stuff coming
off the bench for them to not have him and
to go to Seek nashi, instead who's been less be,
honest like he's had a couple of moments this year before,
that for a couple of, years he's been.
Speaker 2: Dreadful that was a big.
Speaker 3: Loss so If holmes is, healthy and that's a big,
if but, like if they feel comfortable with him his
health coming in is next, year that makes me a
little bit more at ease in pivoting Off Peyton watson
if that comes to, THAT.
Speaker 1: I think you could also, say but he's just like
his minutes have been up and down ever since the
quote unquote, breakout if you Trusted Zeke nagy enough like
that also makes it a little bit easier because he's
not necessarily like the caps lock. Five so, Yeah denver
is gonna be fascinating for many. Reasons but IF i
had to, guess if you're, asking, well who's more likely to,
be you, know not on this team with the team next.
Year we should frame it that. Way you list all
the players Including Peyton watson Or Christian, Brown Michael Porter.
Jr Or Michael. Malone i'm gonna Pick Michael malone as
the least likely to be. There who's your next?
Speaker 3: Pick, oh that's a good, one, Right SO i want
TO i want to get out ahead of this. One
so they are currently third in The, east so that's
why it's a Long SHOT's nixed with tips.
Speaker 2: LIKE i feel, like CAN i say one? Thing, yes you.
Speaker 1: Can't they were on my list, too SO i don't
think you need.
Speaker 2: To feel, bad all?
Speaker 3: Right that actually makes me feel a little bit. Better,
look it's the minutes. Thing it's it's still the minutes.
Thing like you have five guys all starting who's PLAYING
i was about to say over thirty five minutes per?
Game but you know, what kudos To Tom. Thibodeau Carl
Anthony salas is playing thirty four point nine minutes per,
Game like he's just under thirty.
Speaker 1: Five load management is ruining the.
Speaker 3: League, really it's, like my, god tips, like but but you,
KNOW i when you have guys coming off the bench
and you just don't utilize them even if you're up
by a large.
Speaker 2: Margin it just makes, me it makes me sort.
Speaker 3: Of furious at times because we've seen before how that
comes at the expense of players and player health and.
Whatnot for for him to go into this situation and
always double down on his primary five in the regular,
season no, less it's you have to ask big, Questions
like if you are the front, office you have to ask, yourself,
like we just spent a lot of asset as it's
gathering this, group like we have a very very intriguing top.
Five are we in in some sort of risk of
basically losing the value of that five sum because they're
just getting grinded into pulp during the course of the
regular season and playing that many.
Speaker 2: Minutes and here's the.
Speaker 3: Thing you can go to tips and you can tell, them,
look you need to tone down the. Minutes sure that's
been that's been. Tried that that doesn't.
Speaker 1: WORK i don't think anyone's ever tried it. More there's no, way.
Speaker 3: Right he's he will sell his soul for like A
november twentieth win against The Charlotte hornets if if it
came down to, That like, again this is the same
guy who Played Jimmy butler forty eight minutes in a
preseason game back in the. Day this is the, guy and,
LIKE i don't have any issues with his. DEFENSE i.
DON'T i think he's coaching and only speaking is perfectly sound.
Reasonable the minutes distribution is just it's so, Rough AND
i get the people push back and, say, look look
at the. Roster what is he gonna. Do play more
minutes to Like Lantry. Shammitt, yes, Yes Landry sammick should
play more. Minutes, absolutely, yes you're you're absolutely, right. Listener
players like that should get more. Minutes, yes just to
make sure that the starters don't.
Speaker 1: DIE i, LOOK i think there's a lot Of knicks
fans like to dismiss it at this. Point there's real
stuff to the minutes. Conversation it's you don't want, to
at least at the very, least you want to try
and do your part to ensure those kind of soft
tissue injuries aren't becoming a bigger. RISK i think there's
a Chance Jalen brunson's absence becomes sort of a blessing
in disguise for. Them for, one things they learned about everybody,
else most notably Oh, jiannaobi but two just having him
be Healthier brunton himself be maybe not as worn down
for the part of the postseason and in better. Shape
perhaps again you'd rather him not get. Injured at the same,
time it's, well, well he actually just be better off
because he got this time off that he otherwise would not.
HAVE i will SAY i think That tibbs has done
some things that go. Overlooked, STILL i was, worried for,
instance that you, know there are things That i'm not
happy with when it comes to The Karl anthony town.
Usage but one of the THINGS i was super worried
about was are they gonna let his post ups kind
of become a? Crutch and they. Haven't he is driving
last per thirty six. Minutes i'd like the three point
attempts to be. Higher BUT i think that they've been
more creative with him on offense Than tibbs receives credit.
For that's a good. Thing the fact that Og annobi
has at least been. EMPOWERED i know some of it
was out of. Necessity that's a good. Thing but to your,
point this is where and it might not even if
you don't want to make it the minutes, thing even
though it's part of the minutes, thing his marriage to his,
guys or even his overall, approach it's, problematic especially when
what he's married to is maybe not the. Answer and
so look at that that, lineup you're the starting, Five
like on the, season they're plus four point seven points
per one hundred plus four point four points per one hundred.
POSESSIONS i believe that's Like lee, Got like that's in
the fifty first. Percentile that is nothing like the offense
in the sixty third percent. Tile the defense is in
the fortieth. Percentile for that to be your most used,
lineup if you're gonna ride your, players you would like
that to be way better than it. Is and the
fact that he seems you know this might change in the,
playoffs but are you willing to Play josh Hart less
to get more of a floor spacer in there when
teams don't care. THAT i know he does a lot
of for the team with, rebounding, driving, Transition but even
when he's not taking or making nearly enough threes for
defenses to, care it's the PLAYER i always reference is,
like he's just not the same threat in the half
court that even a lou Door. Is at this point
there will be more reactions To ludhort and other things to,
note just like it does feel like he can still
be stubborn to a us his defensive principles in the
middle of the game or just against certain matchups to
where it's, oh, like why aren't you Doubling Devin booker
more when he's when he's torching torching? You AND i
understand if you Vote gigiana no reguarding him that that's
besides the. POINT i think you can look, at you,
know why aren't you playing more aggressive pick and roll
coverage With Karl Anthony towns when you know his limitations in,
Drop Like i'd be interested to see the data of just, like, okay,
well how how much drop Is Karl Anthony town's playing this?
Year AND i would argue that IT'S i would say
it's just too. Much the problem, IS i think we
also have to recognize The knicks are working through a
level of success that they just have not enjoyed in roughly,
forever and he seems to resonate with his, Players AND
i think what you actually need to believe is the
offense can be, flawed but if you're bringing in a new.
COACH i think you need to believe that they can
get they can squeeze more juice out of this defense
than Top thibodau by maybe incorporating more variability into their.
COVERAGES i don't know if when you look at the
head coaching market right, now like As Taylor jenkins or
someone that would do, that and then how are you
gonna feel about his? Offense BECAUSE i DON'T i don't
think The knicks are inventive enough overall on, Offense but,
like are you well The? Grizzlies are you gonna need
to hire like a certain assistant to oversee? That SO
i have a lot of. Questions it's all gonna come
down to the playoffs if they get. TRUCKED i don't
care If boston's a terrible matchup for, them and if
they win a playoff, series that's who they're. Facing but
if you get trucked by, them you have to consider
everything that includes you're not Training Jalen brunts AND i
want to make it, clear But litter AND i would
argue that Ogn andobi is the second most important player
on this team moving. Forward but if you get trucked
in the second, round and it's reflective of how big
of the chasm is separating you from the team that
you are built to contend. With everything is on the
table at that, point including and probably most likely changing
the head.
Speaker 2: COACH, yep totally.
Speaker 1: Agree CAN i ask you a quick question on, this
who is more likely to be In New york next? SEASON. Todm,
Thibodeau Josh, Hart McHale bridges Or Karl Anthony.
Speaker 2: Towns who's who's most likely not the most.
Speaker 1: Likely most likely not to be? There i'm, sorry that's
a terrible.
Speaker 2: Phrasing, no all, good that's a good. Question all questions
are good.
Speaker 3: Questions more they are they are the. Thing the thing
is like the, heart says Me Kail. Bridges but THEN
i start to think about how that would be losing
face because the amount that you gave up to get
him and then pivoting off of him after a, year
that would be pr. Suicide Josh hart has, become you,
know the heart of the team in many, Ways like
he's like his connection with the fan base is also pretty.
Insane that plays a. Factor, also he's like, like contractually
his compensation level is, Brilliant so like that doesn't necessarily
make a lot of. Sense towns is a. Star those
are tough to come, by even if they are. Expensive
So i'm probably gonna say.
Speaker 1: Tips, HONESTLY i think that's the right. Answer and it
sort of also would be if this team had more.
Assets And i'm not even talking about picks, obviously but
in terms of salary, matching like you look at The
Mitchell robinson number now where you're going to the, Books
but if they were able to add a certain type of,
player that would maybe make it easier For Josh, hart
like For TIBs to Move Josh hart to the bench.
Bench that might be the type of moves where, okay
you can sort of basically run it back and you
don't need to change the head. COACH i just don't
know if they, have like if they're pulling off a
trade where you think they're incorporating a different. STARTER i
know those arguments produced McBride to start right, NOW i
just Don't i'd be shocked if that happens permanently Under.
Thibodeau but how do you go out and get someone
who's then good enough to start in place Of Josh
hart And thibodau's eyes with the assets you. Have, again
it's all going to depend on the, playoffs but they
have not shown nearly enough against the good teams for
us to think that these aren't going to be questions
over the. Offseason we're onto my, pick and you actually
you took my next, pick So i'm going to go.
Here Mike budenholzer In. Phoenix, yeah this is his first,
year but, like this team is the second worst defense
in the league since The All star. BREAK i think
they're back to the bottom five on the. Season you
can't fault him for the limitations of the, roster but
like to kind of and The Colin gillespie, THING i
buy and large give The suns a. Pass i'm not
leaning into it further just because of the names that were,
there but like the inconsistent AND i think that's putting
it charitably deployment Of Ryan, Dunn, ohsoegadaro who provide actual.
Needs like let's just do the most fundamental cookie cutter
overview of Them Ryan dunn, defense and he's actually not
the bead as a short role. Passer and then Like,
ohsoegadaro we just have evidence That Devin booker specifically will
look excellent for the most part on. Offense if he
has a decision making Big osokadar or someone who could
do that in the short role as a, screener you'd
like to see, him you, know be a little bit
more aggressive looking for his own. Shot of course that's on.
Him it doesn't seem like the vibes a great again
to where you know you had the multiple reports of
just like oh or him AND kd on the same,
page or him And Devin booker on the same. Page
you talk about the optics for The knicks if they
Move Josh. Hart the optics for The knicks if The
sons get rid of another head coach will be. Terrible
but if they are i, mean, actually does it even
matter if you're The sun's team and you want to,
Continue i'll, say propping up the facade that you're all
about contending, now don't you kind of have to consider?
Anything and then even if you're taking a step, back
you Move Kevin, durant Maybe Devin booker decides he wants,
out you also kind of have to step back and, evaluate,
Well Mike budenholzer then the right coach for a team
that's lost one or two of its, stars.
Speaker 3: Right it's interesting because if, he like if Coach budd
And Devin booker, hadn't you, know had some war of,
WORDS i would probably have held a more more Of
east BECAUSE i feel Like booker is probably the guy
to stick, around, Right, like if they're pivoting off, him
it's because he has gone them and, said look it's it's,
time LIKE i just need to move off of this.
TEAM i don't think he's there. Yet that's just my
read on, it not sourcing. Anything it's JUST i think
he's like willing to see it through just a little bit.
Longer but it is wild that if you Have Devin
booker And Kevin durant on the same team and none
of whom are you, know extremely, injured Like Kevin durand
has missed what sixteen games this? Year, like, yeah that's,
something it's not a whole. Lot so if you have
both those guys mostly, available and this is how you,
look this is where you end.
Speaker 2: Up that's.
Speaker 3: Rough that is that is very very, Rough and that's
where you have to figure, out like The Booker budenholzer,
relationship like is that? Salvageable is there any way you
can move? Forward because Like duranda is out of. There
this we, know like it was. Reported, yeah oh, okay.
Speaker 1: The report that he's open to signing an extension With.
Speaker 3: Phoenix, NO i did not WHAT i saw the report
From Brian windfor saying The suns were looking for a
massive hall for.
Speaker 2: Him that was WHAT i, saw all.
Speaker 1: Right so The Ringers Logan murdoch had a. Piece Actually
i've yet to read, it but That durant that in
it noted That durant would be open to staying In.
Phoenix NOW i don't know when he was talking To
durant at that, time but if it was semi, recently
like that would seem like a pretty significant departure from
WHAT i still assume he's. Gone BUT i was just
noting it to cover our. Base that's.
Speaker 2: Interesting, god he's not all over the.
Speaker 1: Place this team is making me too sad for it
to stay, together SO i don't want them to.
Speaker 3: Extend but it's so, wild right because Then duran before
the trade, headline he didn't want to go To Golden.
State then after the trade headline he was, like, well
you know, what LIKE i might be open to it
in the off season when anything kind of dies, down
like what Like Kevin durant make, up you've goddamn, Mind,
lease LIKE i need we need to know what the
hell is.
Speaker 2: Going to go on.
Speaker 3: Here, no but Like i'm very much assuming he's, out
so they will have to construct the roster out book
and that, ALSO i don't know how the hell they
solve The, bradley but that's their.
Speaker 1: Issue well do you think it helps at how bad
the situation has got that he would just it's over
the off. Season it's probably, easy it's not probably it's
definitely easier to relocate then that he just might widen
his scope of like oh he would go if maybe
he's not, content but he'll look at a team and say, like,
oh they're gonna take on my money And i'm gonna
get a bunch of shots and maybe you, know pad
my stats and it helps you with my next. CONTRACT
i am wondering if it gets easier to, move LIKE
i would, say easier than we would expect over the
offseason to move, him just because this situation has deteriorated so.
Much why does he want maybe things off the quarter,
Better like maybe him And Devin booker are best friends or,
something and we just don't know, it but that's not
that's not really anything that you've.
Speaker 3: Heard so so what team would trade For beale and
give him?
Speaker 2: Shots?
Speaker 1: Though The nets would be a good, example like if
they were gonna use their burn their cap space On.
Beale But i'm saying it would be a rebuilding. Team
is more so like With, charlotte if they're getting anything
like kind of send back you look like to do
the sun still of interest In Miles. Bridges you could
build something around. That that's the type of. TEAM i
don't THINK i would be pretty surprised if any. TEAM
i mean maybe maybe The bulls at this. Point they
did Trade Zach, lavine and why not pair him With
giddy And Kobe? White Bradley, Beal Kobe, White Josh, giddy
Moving Patrick. Williams, yeah, baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah that would be hilariously. Bad, Yes So i'm.
Speaker 1: Just, saying does it you still view it as sort
of A Bradley beal's not gonna go anywhere over the
off season. SITUATION i view it as, yes more, okay.
Speaker 3: But maybe maybe Maybe i'm, giving you, know seems too much,
Credit like If i'm trying to put myself in the
place on a team there right there Where i'm in the,
CHAIR i have to make a, Call Like i'm just
not calling Up phoenix and, going hey, guys, so, Uh
Bradley beal, Available Like i'm not gonna do.
Speaker 1: That, no that's not WHAT i just wonder if they're
gonna give, Them AND i guess you're looking At, okay
the picks are so kind of low. Level but if
you're just attaching two first round, picks they get Off
Bradley beal for. That they could be rotation, players but
no one you view as important to your face one hundred.
Speaker 2: And ten million dollars though.
Speaker 1: Left, LOOK i think you the no trade clause makes it.
PROHIBITIVE i want to make that, clear but like two
years is not if you already know that next season isn't?
It then it, becomes, oh he's an expiring, contract the
no trade. CLAUSE i totally understand what you're. Saying and
what's the extent to Which, phoenix, like would they include
A niggodharo Or Ryan done to get Off. Beal i'm
sure the fan base riot at that, point but So i'm.
Not this is all to SAY i don't think the
situation is. SALVAGEABLE i just don't it does feel like
if if you had to ask, ME i think it's
more likely That Bradley beal is out Of phoenix next
year Than Mike. Puttenholzer.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Interesting all, right do you think.
Speaker 1: It's more Likely Mike puttenholzer is out Of phoenix Than
devin Book, YES i tend to.
Speaker 3: Agree, YEAH i, mean, look it's it's Book.
Speaker 2: Let's give him that that. Courtesy.
Speaker 1: Right, OH i don't think if and when The sun's
Moved Devin, BOOKER i don't think it's going to be,
proactive it's going to be reactive to him saying, guys.
Speaker 3: Exactly, yeah perhaps that's the scene that ends up just
Giving brad would be a lot of shots The phoenix suns.
Speaker 2: Just BY.
Speaker 3: U. N. Durant, yeah all, Right so so my next, Scene,
Yeah i'm gonna not, no not hatching my, bet that's
the wrong way to phrase. It Like i'm gonna, say
depending on where they go with the, roster if they
decide to just basically blow everything sky, High i'm kind
of looking At Willie green And i'm not Saying Willie
green BECAUSE i think he's necessarily a bad coach or.
Anything but if The pelicans do decide to hit that
big fat red reset. Button there might also be some
level of thinking, that, hell you know, what if we're
starting everything, over might as well also start over with
a new coaching staff to optimize everything around this new
court that we're. Building, Like i'm not saying That Willy
green deserves to be fired Because i'm not. THERE i not.
Whatsoever he seems to have pretty good rapport with his.
Guys he's still, young he's still someone who has a
lot of potential left in the. Back but he's been
there three this is his fourth. Year might be time
to do something. Else, LIKE i don't know if they're
planning to move off Of. SION i don't know if
they're planning to make big alterations for the roster this.
SEASON i don't think anyone really. KNOWS i think a
lot of people have, opinions BUT i don't think we.
Know And i'm just assuming more or less that if
you're going to go in and, say let's start this
whole thing, OVER i would not be shocked to See
Willy green be a part of that whole.
Speaker 1: Change, YEAH i think he's Almost i'm not even insulting your.
HOTS i think he has to be an obvious inclusion
at this point because it's Getting you're at the stage,
of all, right how many times are we gonna go through?
This you could say the available, Personnel but now you're
also at an inflection point as a franchise where you
know you're gonna have this high lottery. Pick you've already
traded brandon INGRAM. Cj. McCollums deal is winding. Down Dejontay
murray is going to play when again we have no.
Idea There's Trey, murphy There's Herb, jones like the team
is still super. Interesting you have to ask. Yourself it's
you ask yourself the same question whether it's, okay they
get a Lottery let's say they win the, lottery or
they get the top three, pick if they're gonna kind
of start over or take a slow. Approach it's not
just well do we Move Zion, williamson it's you, know
Does Willie green fit into? This apologies for the crashing
noise in the. Background the other thing would, be, well
if you're still going for, it you have to, ask,
well can he optimize whatever this roster looks? Like AND
i think there's been frustrations even when The pelicans have
rated incredibly. HIGHLY i think he's a pretty good a
lot of the. TIMES i know they're twenty ninth in
points let per. Possession i've a lot of time has
been impressed with the defense he extracts out of the
team relative to some of the personnel, offensively even when
they're at their. Best it does feel, like, now is
this a function of the personnel that he's been given
or something he does as a. Coach actually tend to
lean towards the ladder given the breadth of the sample,
size But New orleans has Since zion has entered the,
leak they have rated better to that than twenty third
in three point attempt frequency just, once and that Was
zion's rookie year when he played in twenty four. Games
so that's something that you need to. Address AND i
think you can, say, well do they have the personnel
to do? It AND i JUST i kind of look
at it and, say all, right you still don't really
depending on how you feel About Carlo, makovich like you
don't have that traditional floor spacing. Big we know What zion.
Is murray was never going to be a super high
volume Guy. Ingram we know his struggles like McCollum's up
to his three point attempt to. Eree you Have Trey,
Murphy BUT i do think you need to look, like
is there a way for? Them we know What zion
can do on. Offense is there someone who can come
in here be more creative with him or be more
creative with everybody else to get that rim and three
combined frequency just add a clip to where, it's, oh
this offense feels more. Dynamic then it's like the ceiling
With zion on offense is it doesn't. Exist and SO
i think there's a bunch of even with his, LIMITATIONS
i think there's a bunch of different things they could
drive in with, Him like is there a way to
Get zion more creative usage away from the? Ball AND i,
LOOK i Think Willie green has been pretty creative With
Eves measi or at least smart with him during when
we've seen those two together earlier this. Year but, YEAH
i just think it's a fair question because what else
are you gonna. Do it's not you could, say, well
they need to make changes to the roster aside from
that incoming lottery. Pick how comfortable do you feel making
a trade with the intent of getting better when you're
dealing with it's not Just zion's, health but it's, like
what is De Jante murray going to? Play you, know
that's a huge piece of this.
Speaker 3: Team you're absolutely, right and all those questions that's a
big ass gumboat that they have to answer over the
course of the Soometer AND i wouldn't be surprised If
Willy green is an ingredient that so we'll. SEE i
hope that they'd be open to keeping him BECAUSE i
Like Willie, green LIKE i ACTUALLY i think there's something
there in terms of his. Coaching like, again the roster's
stability has, been as you, said. Inconsistent it hasn't been,
there like it the roster construction as, well like for
the most, part LIKE i think it's been a bit.
Wonky so like maybe there's a last gasp From David
griffin in terms of, like OH i have an, idea
let's execute it and see what's. Up and perhaps that
is something where they were willing to Include Willy green
into that and see where it. Goes but at this,
Point i'm almost Expecting choms to hit a.
Speaker 2: You, know give, us give us A choms bomb or
whatever we decide.
Speaker 3: To call it well within the next couple of.
Speaker 1: Weeks, yeah and you know, what we haven't mentioned, this
but it's you have to Issue David griffin and the
rest of the front officer at least on alert. Now and,
like this is one of the changes you, make if
you're allowed, to is to change the head. Coach SO
i wonder if that adds any pressure to the. EQUATION
i think are we ready For so it's my. PICK
i think we're at the point where we've had the
five inclusions that where they just make a ton of,
sense and now it gets a little bit more challenging
unless you think there's another obvious. Candidate i'm going To
i'm genuinely asking, Here, okay, okay is there a Chance
Jamal moseley winds up on the hot? Seat because what
is we know, It we know the, injuries we know the.
Defense what evidence do we have that he's the right
offensive coach for The Magic and if you say none
or very, LITTLE i think the counterpoint would, be, well
how much of that falls on the front office for
putting in? Place, okay, yes you Have, polo Youo Fandre,
bavelli talented, team but you've been unable to bring in
more dynamic offensive.
Speaker 2: Acquisitions, well you stole my. Pick that was my next.
Speaker 3: One So i'm very glad you brought that up BECAUSE
i was afraid that was going to be very. Controversial look,
like the one thing THAT i could come up with here, is,
hey did you see the first five games of The
Magic seas Before paulo Ben kara went? Down they took
a shit ton of. Threes and that's basically where my
argument ends because it's that, like that's that's where we
saw a little bit of creativity from, him basically, saying,
look if we have to Empower.
Speaker 2: Polo And franz to make, decisions put the ball in their.
Speaker 3: Hands we need to have. Shooters we need to make
a ton of. Threes we need to get that shut
up at an insanely high. Rate, Obviously polo went, down
Then franz went, down Then mowagna went down for the entire,
season who was also a part of that spacing, element
one of their better three point, shooters which is pretty
sad in its own.
Speaker 2: Right but there we.
Speaker 3: GO i, Mean i'm just trying to be honest, here
BUT i, mean, look that's what he came up. WITH
i don't hate that plan of, saying all, right let's
empower those two, Players power And, franz and then let's
just make sure we get up like forty two threes per,
game forty five threes per.
Speaker 2: Game that's that's. Dope that's a good.
Speaker 3: Mentality but you also don't have the personnel to execute,
it and so he had to scale, back and it
became a lot of LIKE i don't want to say
foul baiting or foul, grifting BUT i do think The
magic are very good to get into the pre thro
line via you, know drives and perhaps acting out certain.
Things like, honestly with all The shaye hate recently in
terms of him drifting for, FOULS i just kind of
want to, say, hey look at the. Magic just go
look at the magic a little bit once in a.
While So i'm wondering With, jamal was that just like
the default. Option, hey we have two very you, know ball,
handling very strong ball handling. Forwards the only, alternative because
we don't have a primary league, guard is just to
get everyone to take. Threes because if that's the only
default he. Has, though even THOUGH i like the, plan
it can't be the whole. Plan there has to be
more to, It, Like i'm surprised we haven't seen more
like hear me out before you slaughter me. Here i've
been surprised why we haven't seen more Cold anthony minutes
because there have been games where they have gone like
four or five minutes without a point and where you're
kind of looking like at that team just completely in
a lull where they have no offensive minded players really
on the court and Col anthony is sitting on the
bench just kind of, mhm my turn soon like and
where we have not Seen jamal even look his way
and he's just stuck with you, know defensive. Lineups there
is a point where coaches can skew too heavily one
side or the, other and right NOW i think mostly
it's like on the, fence like he skews very much
defensively to the point where we are we reaching that
point where it's becoming a, Problem like are we reaching
that point where the magic has to look at that
going to the summer and, say, look defense is, great that's,
awesome but we need to score. Points and With jamal in,
charge we just cannot get those extra points out of this.
Roster that has to be a question that has to
be a conversation.
Speaker 1: Calling these stuff is fascinating because he begins the season
kind of an. Afterthought injuries forced that to, change that
he's playing a. Bunch then he has that it was
like a toe injury a few weeks, ago and he
comes back AND i don't know if he's still maybe
dealing with, it but his place in the rotation has
been sporadic ever. Since AND i think you highlighted two
of the flaws THAT i think you can pin On Jamal,
Moseley but AGAIN i don't. Know one of THEM i
do believe could maybe be a mandate from the front.
Office but are you too like tethered to the idea
of we need as many good defenders on the floor
as possible when this is a team where what have
we known about? Them he's been there four, years three
of which they have been elite, defensively and so what
have we known about them that they have a margin
for error on the defensive. End SO i think he
can get too attached at least he coaches the, team
because it would be like that'd be another reason why
why hasn't this organization done more to Develop Jet howard?
Here when in. Theory he does a lot of what
they again conceptually would, need and yet he's not somebody
that's ever like through his first couple of season receiving
a ton of. Minutes if you think that's a like
a sort of an indication on this the how Good
Jet howard, is that's totally. Fine that will fall on
the front. Office, then but four minutes per game is
a rookie of just over eleven minutes per game as
a as a, sophomore it's just not. Enough, yeah it's
just the other THING i will point, out AND i
think this is maybe not the bigger, one but it's
a it matters to. Me i'll throw out the first
year he's, there, like just that's his first. Year we
know what the magic were back. Then this, team they
are running more this. Year they're sixteenth in transition. Efficiency
AND i know that you have guys In wagner And
Palo binkaro who kind of like to attack in a
more methodical. Fashion but when you've ranked in the top
ten of forcing turnovers in each of the three, years
and yet after you force a turnover you have been,
nineteenth twenty third and twenty third again this year. Respectively
in transition, Frequency, like this is a team if we
know that you don't have enough spacing or even enough
if you think you're at an initiation deficit in the half,
court what's one of the ways to offset some of that,
deficit especially when your players are. Talented this isn't like
the process, sixers where's we play fast just to cover
up the fact that we don't HAVE nba. Players it's
no get against more defenses that are scrambling or not.
Set i've never understood even this, year like being sixteenth
in transition, frequency is it's? Better and LIKE i think
they're two percentage points up in their transition frequency over
last year or whatever it ends up. BEING i think
that THEY'VE i don't know if they've like defaulted to
this idea that like you just can't do it as
much When palo Ben caro's on the, court and that's just,
no like you can like offline, rebounds off turnovers that you're.
Forcing like this is a team THAT i THINK i
don't know if it would solve, everything BUT i think
it would make me feel a lot better about their.
Offense they are not nearly as athletic as say The Houston,
rockets but like when you look at them compared to
a team Like, MEMPHIS i know that they don't have
A jama ramp Like memphis can play fast like why
Can't orland like who do you look at? It like they've.
Tried maybe that's why they didn't play zact eaty enough this.
Year they wanted to play a little. Faster but it's,
LIKE i don't Look my point, is even if that's
a bad, EXAMPLE i don't look at this personnel and, say,
oh The magic don't have room to be in transition.
More that is not a takeaway THAT i. Have do
you have another coach on your? List so sort of.
Speaker 3: And it's not about the hot seat. SPECIFICALLY i want
to make that, perfectly perfectly. Clear this is a question
about a coach right now who is doing very very
well in turning like getting his team from POINT a
to POINT. B i'll even go as far as saying
he might have been able to get his team from
POINT aid to points see this. Year but where you
have to, wonder is this a guy who they're going
to keep for the long? Term is he going to
be a championship level? Coach we're gonna have to go To,
detroit Like detroyer has made the biggest turnaround in THE.
NBA jp bigger staff has done an amazing job for.
Them he's still very much similar To Jamal mosley excus
defense over, offense and he isn't really the most creative
offensive mind out. THERE i think we also saw that
With cleveland last. Year is he a guy who we
aren't going to have to put on this list twenty
four months from?
Speaker 2: Now two?
Speaker 1: Years that's TO i mean maybe because you would at
that point you would have time and a, couple like
a few transaction cycles to go through to see did
we improve enough with the like the talent infusion plus the.
Players we already have what's interesting with? Him and he's.
Not he's obviously not in the hot. Seat now you
do have the question of is this someone who can
get you to a? Point and then like it's ALMOST
i was framing it WHEN i talked About thibodeau with
someone the other, day where it's did The knicks find THEIR.
Jb bickerstaff to get them to this you, know fifty
win like, treadmill fifty plus win treadmill and now they
need to go find Their Kenny, Atkinson, Right so like
that could be what The pistons run into WITH. Jb.
Bickerstaff it does feel like this season and just the
stuff that they they put you have to credit this front,
office like there was just better spacing around, kid WHICH
i think was even With Isaiah stewart not taking threes
was a big. Deal but also just like the juice
that he has squeezed out of this. Team on, DEFENSE
i REALLY i know you have a Star thompson and
if he, qualified he'd be on all. Defense probably you
Have Isaiah. Stewart their defense for most of this season
has exceeded my expectations relative to the. Personnel So i'd
say he's bought, himself not just like they would have
to have everyone's. Available you get better on paper and
then you win twenty five games or. Something, again so
he's bought himself twenty four. Months BUT i think it
is interesting to, ask, like is he someone who can
be as you framed it, With, okay they're, good they're really?
Good can you get them to? GREAT i MEAN i
hope he. CAN i would root for it because the
piss has been such a fun story and it's are
we GONNA i don't want to bring this up BECAUSE
i know it's not gonna. Happen but it's funny that
we have is it because we have a larger sample
size with him And? Tibbs but nobody's really asking that
question About mark Daik no In Oklahoma, City and SO
i don't know if it's unfair to ask it OF. Jb, Bicker, like,
YEAH i guess we have more, evidence but we're just,
assuming like the thunder are so well set that aigan's
not Even AND i don't by the, WAY i don't
think it should AND i don't think it will become
a discussion should they flame out in the playoffs this.
Year maybe maybe it. Does BUT i do find it
somewhat interesting that this is a talking point WITH. Jb bickers.
Speaker 3: Staff, yeah, WELL i, MEAN i just think it's because
there's a previous, record. RIGHT i think it's because we
have the contrast of the, calves Like Bigger staff Leaves
atkinson comes in that the team didn't, make you, know
a lot of changes over the course of. Summer they made,
some but he just kind of dialed it differently than
How Bigger staff did and we saw dramatic. Improvement SO
i think that was the contrast where you kind of, going, oh,
okay and there's a lot of the SIMILAR dna with
last Year's caps and these Year's, pistons to the point
where you're looking at it and, going, well what's the
top end potential? Here it's interesting you bring in you,
know diagnalt to this because outside of last, year where you,
know obviously they didn't get to the point where they
wanted to win the, PLAYOFFS i don't feel as though
they've ever been in a position where they could truly
compete for a title like it was last year and this,
year so it's been only one playoff year with disappointing.
Results is that enough data to go? Off because, like
this team could win the whole goddamn thing this year
and then we'd never talk about this.
Speaker 1: Again well it kind of comes back to then, though
like why was the pressure necessarily ON. Jb Bicker stapf last?
Year mid injuries and like it was a forty? Eight
BUT i JUST i, honestly my answer would, BE i
think it comes back to the organization And, okay, see
is set a precedent where people aren't gonna Speculate matt
regard and when you're looking at The pistons. Specifically, again
we're way ahead of this type of, talk but you're
not The calves, Too like you don't trust those organizations
on the same level as you do With, Okay C's
and you're. RIGHT i do think the relative unknownness about
Since martinel did not have AN nba head coaching position,
before it works in his favor. Here but just THE.
Jb bickerstaff's, credit like he inherited A cavs team, that
like they weren't built to win more than twenty two
games in his first full, SEASON i think that's them
the forty four from, there and it just feels, like,
YEAH i, think you, know you have two years after,
that but last year there was just a ton of injuries.
There maybe it comes down more to locker room. STUFF
i just it's something because we didn't see enough of
him In memphis to just, Say, okay he had his
two seasons there and, like what was he supposed to
accomplish with the rosters he? Had SO i remain more
of A i don't even know if it's A. Jb bickerstaff,
optimist Because i'm not saying anyone or even you as a,
pessimist BUT i do find the discussion around him heavily
weighted into just Like, Okay cleveland made a huge jump
and then didn't win the championship like in the next two.
Years is what it's.
Speaker 3: Fair that is. Fair that is. Fair and also he's
still for a, coach he's pretty. Young we have seen
him get, better we have seen him like learn from.
Mistakes you know, What i'll actually withdraw that, ONE i
think because that's. Fair that's a really good. Point let's
give jb another like at least a year before we'll
bring him up.
Speaker 1: Again and do you know WHAT i wonder, Too AND
i think this is probably true in any. Situation what
it seems to. Accelerate this is what did The cavs
do during that. Time they traded For Donovan mitchell and
so the, urgency the expectations, skyrocket and it feels like
that like The knicks would be a perfect. Example Tom
tabodau is sitting pretty last. Year but like you go
and you trade For ananobe right a little bit before
the trade. Deadline then you trade For, towns you trade
For Michael, Bridges like that's part of the reason why
No tips has been there long enough to where you
can soll have the. Discussion but those transaction, cycles if
you make one or two really big, moves and especially
if you're depleting your. ASSETS i think what The pistons
have going for them is they have Not they don't
have a ton of extra, assets AND i don't think
they're gonna act SUPER i want to, say, aggressively but
reckless over the. Summer that they haven't had that type
of transaction cycle or that type of, summer or a
series of a deadline and a. Summer it probably works
in his favor Of, okay they're taking. Again this is first.
Year though maybe they change course over the summer and
they do get ultra aggressive and that increases the. STAKES
i have one more. Coach it's more of an open.
Question does what's happened In philly this year do anything
to move you? About, well what's gonna happen With Nick?
Nurse and BEFORE i really do throw it to, You
i'm looking at it from you could just harp on
the injuries and say, okay and then they lean into
the tank for. Sure but if they keep their first round,
pick they just have what feels like a series of
existential decisions to make to where it's. Okay are we
keeping this pick and trying to develop them while we
Have Joel, Embiid Paul, George Tyrese, Maxi Quentin, Grimes jared.
McCain is there a way for them to juggle? That
do they look at trading that player so that they
can get some win now talent in here to maximize
the window Of, Embid george And? Maxi except, oh how
much is And george going to play? Specifically and then
if you get into that and you're, wondering, oh do
we take a more gradual approach or are we going
to really invest in player development here alongside our core?
Players Is Nick nurse the guy for? THAT i don't
know what direction they need to head for his name
to come on. THIS i don't have him on the
hot seat. Necessarily but when you have a team In
philly where the expectations were, high you miss them for whatever,
reason and now you might have a top six prospect
on the. ROSTER i find it.
Speaker 3: Fascinating it's really one of those situations where if a
team that we feel is you, know not necessarily going,
anywhere jumps up in the draft lottery and gets a
chance at Like Cooper flag for, example that could basically
force a team's hand to just, say all, right, look
the clock has been. Reset we're starting over from. Scratch
like every plan that we had before the lottery is now.
Dead we're starting. Over we have to start with the
right coach For Cooper flag. Like that's like, again like
the we brought up The. Pelicans that's a team if
they win the, lottery right that they could use that
as a leaping as a springboard to, say, okay that
opens up a possibility to TRADING si. On that opens
up a possibility training a bunch of other. Guys like
the clock is. Reset, yes this the same is absolutely
true in this. Scenario it's it's also true for it
seemed Like dallas Or chicago for, Example like those teams
if they jump up, somehow the clock resets and you
have to shuffle your. Priorities like, NO i was going
to say To, ronto but that's not that's not going
to be. Relevant they're still going to run that same.
Thing but it's, yeah circumstances. Change occasionally they still align
with a coach's perspective or a coach's view or sometimes
an organizations just head over heels about a guy in.
Charge on the sideline and, going, oh, look we love
your whether we're competing for a championship or we're rebuilding
and we want to stick with. You and so there
are these very different scenarios in. PLAY i guess we'll
see it's funny that we haven't brought Up, miami, Right,
like if there's ever a legacy coach was just never
on the hot, seed It's Coach.
Speaker 2: BO i will.
Speaker 1: SAY i would love to Ask Wes, goldberg who covers
this fantastic job covering the heat For Lockdown, heat about,
this because it does seem like the fan base has
been more frustrated With Coach bow over the past two.
Years THEN i sort of, remember and SO i would
BE i think there probably needs to be a fundamental
change in the front office, first where it's, like is
it someone other Than Andy ellisberg or Pat riley making
this call for that to? Happen BUT i think about
how many teams that we even just mentioned or other
teams aren't would they consider just getting rid of their
head coach At eric spoelstro be available.
Speaker 3: Like that that might be the name For New york
If tips was, fired right And Coach bowl was, Ready.
Speaker 1: Yes that would. ABSOLUTELY i mean of the teams we,
MENTIONED i think because they're also just the glamour market
who probably won't care what they're paying. HIM i, mean
i'd like you, could he'd be a fit For LIKE
i still think he's one of the three best head
coaches in the. League is, like he's up there with
like just in, general not this, season but if you have,
him Uh Rick carlisle's in. THERE i think That Mark
dagnol has certainly earned the. Red Maybe Will hardy's in,
there but certainly one of the top five. Coaches so,
yeah IT'S i you would be would you be, shocked
like as it reached that, nay, dear and especially when
because of the, Picks like even if you convey your
pick this, year WHICH i don't know if they, will
but if you convey your pick this, year you're still
kind of on a more immediate window because of That
charlotte obligation in twenty twenty, Seven so it feels like
you need and it's just even from, there it's how
do you get better off of.
Speaker 2: Air off Of eric's. POST i don't think you. DO
i MEAN i would be.
Speaker 3: SHOCKED i, Would but at the same, time there's there's
some components to this THAT i think.
Speaker 2: We're we might be overlooking a little.
Speaker 3: Bit so remember when he got, hired all the hype was, like,
oh one of the youngest head, coaches like thirty seven
or thirty eight.
Speaker 2: Years, old along those.
Speaker 3: Lines, well you know he's he's pushing fifty, Five like
he's fifty. Four he's gonna turn fifty five this, Year
so like that matters. Too like there's a part of
this where you also kind of go, Okay like the
more the older you, get the more inclined you're gonna
be to be a little bit stubborn about how you,
Play like there are gonna be some some pushback from
a coach like OH i want to play a certain.
Speaker 2: Way and maybe sometimes sometimes not saying this would, spoe
but sometimes coaches kind of get stuck in there in
their prime, era like they don't necessarily realize that the
game has shifted because they've been so busy just focusing
on their own. Thing tips is a guy who had
to adjust on the. Fly like there's a reason that
things didn't work out as well In minnesota as, Well
like he came To New york and everyone was a
little skeptical of, that but he showed us outside of
the minutes distribution that you can't just ice to pick
and roll all the, Time like you can't just do
the same things you did In chicago ten years, ago
like you had to adapt and evolve to coach post.
CREDIT i feel as though he's done that for the most.
Part but is that going to be true over the
next five. YEARS i don't know the answer to.
Speaker 1: THAT i will SAY i think of anyone we've mentioned
so far his contract, situation just what would they signed
him in twenty twenty four is the eight, year one
hundred and twenty million dollar. EXTENSION i don't know what
the type of options are at that were Were this
is the first full season that we're now into that,
Extension so like that would be you know WHAT i?
MEAN i want to throw out another name, here and
it's and maybe it's more of a. Category who's the
head coach that's just most likely to? Quit it can
be someone we already, mentioned BUT i thought, about Like
Jason kidd In. Dallas does he want no part of
what's going on in? There but he's maybe someone who's
not super desirable should he hit the open. Market is
there even a chance For jason kid. That, okay they
Trade Anthony davis this summer for some reason and then
they decide that they need a different look at a head.
Coach was? There do you look at any situations like
who's the head coach that's just most likely to want
out of their current situation rather than we're putting them
on the hot, seat but they want to put their
organization on the hot.
Speaker 3: Seat, WELL i, mean, again it depends on what happens
to the. Lottery but if The bulls win the lottery
and start over Around Cooper, flag that is probably going
to be the end of it For Billy, donovan who
just does not want to be a part of a
rebuilding situation.
Speaker 2: Whatever he's made that painfully. Clear so like those situations can,
ARISE i, THINK.
Speaker 1: I, YEAH i think that's probably the. Names i'm just
going through it And i'm trying to. Think i'd be
curious to see What portland just Gave joe cronin an.
Extension i'd be curious to see how they really feel
About Johncey billups after the. SEASON i do not the
defense has been. GREAT i do feel a lot of
the times it's personnel, driven AND i don't know how
much credit to give him for, that but the offense
just feels like blah to like two blah at points
like doesn't like kind of absence of defining. Principles and
THEN i have not been thrilled with the way that
and Like Scoot henderson's had a better, year but he
had he was not as good like Post All star,
break and like how much of that falls On Chauncey
bilbs for not doing? More BUT i don't think the
person like when you look at him And Danny avdia
and Even Donovan clinton's, FINISHING i just think the personnel
is that impacts that a, lot because the spacing In
portland is, meant but that's just sort of another name
where it's, well Does portland consider him like the guy
to and we now Know cronin would have the? LATITUDE
i would think to make that, call but have like
after this, season specifically when the defense and a lot
of individual players have made like the, strides do you
make that? Call but Also portland doesn't seem to necessarily
be invested in this super gradual timeline anymore based off
them going out and Getting Denny avi in the first,
place and it looks like that's gonna work. Out they're
just they're all sorts of despite all the encouraging, signs
despite the breadth of talent, there like they're deep WITH nba,
talent one of the deepest teams in the, league they're
just so fuzzy and hazy moving.
Speaker 3: Forward for, ME i wouldn't hate a Coaching james, There
but to answer your, question just a guy who will
just float out. Leave do you see do you Think
Charles Charles lee is just, like you know, WHAT i.
CAN'T i can't with this, guy if, MORE i can't
with this Franchise seymore this one, YEAR i just.
Speaker 1: Nope do you know WHAT i think works in one
he worked so long to get the heck coaching. Job
but also the fact that it's a different front office Than.
Charlotte if this Was Mitch kupcheck a couple of years, Ago, okay,
maybe but it does seem Like Jeff peterson and crew
understand what needs to. Happen The hornets are probably like
they're still really far, away but they DON'T i get
what you're, saying, like but, YEAH i could see just
being subjected to the injuries of it all like for
maybe organizational culture is, great but the injuries of it
all and it's oh And LaMelo's rigid defensive. Stances, Yeah
i'm out, Right i'll go be an assistant for a
couple more years and then come back as a.
Speaker 3: Coach, NO i, HONESTLY i don't think there's, LIKE i
don't think there's anyone who's who's like a prime.
Speaker 2: Candidate to just up and leave out of out of, nothing.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i, mean, WELL i think we may have mentioned,
him all, Right Michael, Malone like that just seems like
a situation like remember The Rick Carlisle mavericks thing where
it was, Like i'm gonna get you before you get,
me couldn't you? THERE i think his contract was at
more of an organic pivot. POINT i can't remember Off,
rip but that would be the name where IT'S i
love Coaching, nicolio But i'm a championship head. Coach i'll
probably get another, opportunity even IF i have to sit
out a year if things just go sour between him
and the front. Office since that, dynamic let's play it,
kindly it's at least not peachy, keen, right.
Speaker 3: But like you would still be the coach who decided
on his own terms to leave a situation where he
was coaching perhaps the best center of all.
Speaker 2: Time THAT'S i, mean So Rick carlo.
Speaker 1: Decided, yeah and it's. Different Rick carli clashed With Luca
and it doesn't seem Like Michael malone And yokic you've
ever had that.
Speaker 2: Issue, no they seem to greatly respect one. ANOTHER i did.
Speaker 1: Wonder let's just say now that the ownership change is
going to be, official assuming The board Of governors ratifies,
it if they decide to cut costs, again or If
Tim connolly decides that he wants to leave because he
has is there any chance That Chris finch is just
sort of, like by, god it's LIKE i can't do this.
Speaker 3: ANYMORE i, mean look that that might actually be a
fairly reasonable, answer you, know he because there would be
jobs for him out.
Speaker 2: THERE i would IMAGINE i would, Agree, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah that. Yeah IF i had to pick, one it
would Be Michael. Malone there just doesn't seem like a
ton of good candidates. Here but if there were sort
of a, shock maybe a situation that you would call fairly,
shocking where, it's, OH i can't get to like This Boelstra,
tire but something Like Chris finch In, minnesota just like
some because that franchise has been an acid trip the
past couple of, years specifically because of just the highs
and the. MEDIUMS i guess that they've.
Speaker 3: Explored, WELL i, mean, look you know what'd be funny as.
Fuck IT'S Jj reddick going you know. WHAT i prefer
podcasting and just saying, nope this this for.
Speaker 1: Me i'd like to get in a role where, Me Steve,
nash And lebron are podcasting. TOGETHER i think that's WHERE
i call for.
Speaker 3: Me, well remember when When Magic johnson was, like, No
I'm i'm resigning as THE gm with The lakers BECAUSE
i wanted to weed.
Speaker 1: Again oh, yeah well this is maybe it's a stupid,
question but like they haven't necessarily shown a ton of
progress under. Him if The spurs gig came, opened or
if he thought there might be a better. Fit could
you see just something bruin With Quinn snyder In. Atlanta
maybe they don't fight him if he wants to, leave
or is he gonna want to be there if they
Take Trey young trade, calls WHICH i, DON'T i don't
NECESSARILY i honestly feel like Job burant's more likely to
get moved this offseason Then Trey young at this. Point so,
Yeah i'm just that's a situation where IT'S i Like
Quinn snyder as a head. COACH i don't hate the
fit even relative to the. Personnel they've had some just
really good stretches this, Year BUT i don't know, That
oh is this like is this the right fit for
both of those those parties would, Though that's where like
San antonio is the one where it's opticized not to come.
Back do you investigate that he want? To is?
Speaker 2: There Then Mitch johnston should be on the list for
so many.
Speaker 1: Teams what ABOUT i mean If Michael malone got fired or,
Left snyder In denver could be really, interesting.
Speaker 3: That actually could be. Fun, Yeah jokic would will play
for the like the high caliber coaches as. WELL i
think he'll play for, Anyone but like there has to
be a certain level of know, how a certain level
of respect. THERE i, think like you have to be
really cautious with that hire if that becomes.
Speaker 2: Available, yeah for.
Speaker 1: SURE i mean he you ask him to, say but you.
Don't he doesn't seem like the type of player who
would give his, input, Right and if, ANYTHING i think
we didn't talk about this enough With Michael. MALONE i
know we mentioned it tangentially if you're inna f like
you need to make sure that that's not going to
Disenfranchise yo kitchen any, way.
Speaker 2: Right SO.
Speaker 3: I actually don't subscribe to the idea that he's not like.
Speaker 2: INVOLVED i.
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't think he's a guy who's just like
completely hands. OFF I i do think like they will
occasionally run stuff By Jo kich and he'll be, like,
yeah that works for, Me gotta go back to my,
Horses like that's that's probably one of those.
Speaker 2: Things but it'd be crazy not.
Speaker 3: To and, LIKE i know that people have this idea
of him that he's you, know he shies away from the,
media he's very. Passive he's like an. Introvert He's. Serpian trust,
me he's not. Introverted that is not he is not
like he will share his opinion and that we've heard
that before as. Well SO i think getting his input is,
crucial absolutely, Crucial like you have to find the exact right,
coach you have to ask, him you have to figure something.
Out and, ye you absolutely do Not you do not
Fire Michael malone without having Asked yokich. First AND i
honestly Believe ki is going to be, like why why
do you want to do? That and if they come
back to him with something, like, well you, know he
he and us we don't really get, along will just
like look at his stare at them going about my,
problem like just get get Coach malone, Back that's WHAT i.
Want so if it comes down To, JOKIC i DON'T
i don't Think michael locos.
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