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True Murder with your host 31 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.519 journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 32 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:41.359 Good Evening. 33 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:46.439 At the beginning of twenty twenty, Doctor Peter McCullough was 34 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:52.359 a highly regarded practicing physician, program director, teacher, and clinical 35 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:57.159 investigator at a major academic medical center in Dallas, Texas. 36 00:01:58.680 --> 00:02:02.439 When COVID nineteen in March, he felt a duty to 37 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.040 find a treatment for the disease. He wasn't alone. Other 38 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:10.759 doctors all over the world were also searching for a cure. 39 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:15.039 They followed the long standing principle that its best to 40 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:21.199 tackle a sickness early, before it becomes life threatening. This 41 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:24.599 is the story of how doctor McCullough and his colleagues 42 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:28.840 developed an early treatment protocol of generic, repurpose drugs and 43 00:02:28.919 --> 00:02:33.759 supplements that has saved millions of COVID nineteen patients from 44 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:40.439 hospitalization and death. In spite of their success, their early 45 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:45.080 treatment protocol was not welcomed by public health officials. On 46 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:49.759 the contrary, the news of their promising results was dismissed 47 00:02:49.879 --> 00:02:53.599 as soon as it was reported. At first, this seemed 48 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:59.039 like conventional skepticism, but then fraudulent papers maligning the protocols 49 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:05.120 repurpose drugs were published in academic medical journals. This and 50 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:09.520 other acts of fraud revealed that a coordinated smear campaign 51 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:14.759 against early treatment was being waged. Doctor McCullough and his 52 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:20.319 colleagues soon found themselves censured, censored, attacked in the media, 53 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:25.120 and fired from their jobs. The greatest victims of the 54 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:30.639 smear campaign were COVID nineteen patients who were consequently deprived 55 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:36.000 of early treatment. Hundreds of thousands needlessly died of the disease. 56 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:42.439 At the same time early treatment was suppressed, the US 57 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:46.599 government and mainstream media proclaimed that the cure to COVID 58 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.479 nineteen lay in a new generation of vaccines that were 59 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:55.879 being developed at warp speed. These were herald as a 60 00:03:56.159 --> 00:04:03.080 forthcoming panacea that would save mankind and restore normalcy. As 61 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:06.719 soon as they were mass deployed, public health officials would 62 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:12.719 lift the restrictions on social and economic life. While many 63 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:17.399 observers were thunderstruck by this turn of events, there were 64 00:04:17.720 --> 00:04:24.519 historical precedents. In his nineteen sixty one farewell address, President 65 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:30.600 Eisenhower warned, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, 66 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:37.560 whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The 67 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:42.680 potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and 68 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.600 will persist. We must never let the weight of this 69 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:54.199 combination and danger our liberties or democratic processes. As doctor 70 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:59.399 McCullough and his colleagues learned, Eisenhower's warning has become equally 71 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:05.279 aable to the biopharmaceutical complex of multinational drug companies, the 72 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:11.160 NIH and other federal agencies, research in virology labs, and 73 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:17.800 the Gates Foundation. Since COVID nineteen arrived, this complex has 74 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:22.519 obtained misplaced power over every aspect of our lives and 75 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:29.120 taken our liberties. The Courage to Face COVID nineteen recounts 76 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:32.720 how doctor McCullough and his colleagues began their work by 77 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:37.600 fighting a novel infectious disease, and then became leaders in 78 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:43.199 fighting the tyrannical regime that endangers our American way of life. 79 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:48.120 The book that we're featuring this evening is the Courage 80 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:54.560 to Face COVID nineteen, Preventing hospitalization and death while battling 81 00:05:54.800 --> 00:06:01.040 the biopharmaceutical complex with my special guests in thegative journalist 82 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:05.120 and author John Leek. Thank you very much for this 83 00:06:05.279 --> 00:06:09.199 interview and welcome back to the program. John Leek, thank 84 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:12.319 you for having me. Dan, thank you so much, and 85 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:15.519 congratulations on this incredible book. 86 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:20.399 Well, I appreciate the compliment. I worked on it for 87 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:24.759 I don't know two and a half years and a 88 00:06:24.800 --> 00:06:30.680 lot of research and contemplation, so I appreciate your your 89 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:31.439 interest in it. 90 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:34.279 As you're doing the book. 91 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:37.920 In the prologue, you set the stage for this very 92 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:43.360 important story contained in this book. October nineteenth, twenty nineteen, 93 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:48.439 John Hopkins Center for Public Security, in collaboration with the 94 00:06:48.519 --> 00:06:52.079 Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the World Economic Forum, 95 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:58.519 conducted a pandemic simulation exercise they called Event two oh one. 96 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:04.439 Tell us about this simulation on October nineteen, two thousand 97 00:07:04.439 --> 00:07:08.560 and nine. What disease did they feature? Tell us the 98 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:11.519 details of what was conducted well this. 99 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:15.240 Event at Johns Hopkins in collaboration with the Bill and 100 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:18.439 Melinda Gates Foundation in the World Economic Forum. It was 101 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:22.720 just the latest in a series of what they call 102 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:30.560 pandemic simulations, this one in October nineteenth of twenty nineteen 103 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:36.639 event to one two oh one, referring to at any 104 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:39.639 given time, you know, over the course of a year 105 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:46.399 or two, you might have two hundred potentially infectious diseases emerging, 106 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.519 but number two oh one is the one that is 107 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:57.959 infectious and contagious amongst humans. So this idea that well, 108 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:01.920 you know, we're preparing for this thing, that it's not 109 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:04.879 a matter of if it's just a matter of when 110 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:11.600 we are going to get a fully contagious respiratory viral epidemic. 111 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.199 It's coming, and so this was just the latest. The timing, 112 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:19.360 of course, is quite interesting. I mean, we know now 113 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:26.600 that the stars CoV two, the causative agent of COVID 114 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:32.000 nineteen illness, was already circulating in Wuhan, China at this time. 115 00:08:32.879 --> 00:08:36.960 And we also know that one of the participants in 116 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:42.679 event to A one was the Chinese, the Chinese equivalent 117 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:46.679 of the head of our CDC, a guy I'm not 118 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:50.320 sure if I'm pronouncing his name properly, doctor gal Gao. 119 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:56.639 So you've got the Chinese counterpart of the CDC. There 120 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:59.919 he is an event to A one and while supp 121 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:04.720 I'm surprised a coronavirus is actually already circulating in Luhan 122 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:10.320 at this time, the simulation imagines this scenario in which 123 00:09:10.360 --> 00:09:17.279 a coronavirus pandemic kicks off. In this simulation, it kicks 124 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:21.679 off in Brazil, I perceive. I'll just jump right in 125 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:25.559 and say, I perceive that to be a little bit 126 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:32.039 of misdirection. The as had already been determined, the next 127 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.919 likely coronavirus pandemic would in fact come out of China 128 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.960 because SARS Kobe one came out of China in two 129 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:45.200 thousand and two, in two thousand and three, So Brazil's 130 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:49.039 kind of an interesting in my opinion, in my estimation, 131 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:53.080 a bit of misdirection, but anyway, and out of control 132 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:59.840 coronavirus they give it the nickname caps. Caps is raging 133 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:05.120 around the world. And in the pandemic simulation, what is 134 00:10:05.480 --> 00:10:12.240 the medical establishment, the public health agencies in Washington, and 135 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:19.120 the media establishment, how are they to respond to this pandemic? 136 00:10:20.039 --> 00:10:24.600 So that's the simulation. You can still watch the videos 137 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.080 they're still published online of event two to one, and 138 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:35.759 it is uncanny in its prescience that we're to believe 139 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.360 that no one had any idea this was actually already happening. 140 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:43.039 I think what was the most fascinating part of that, 141 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:47.519 as you write, was that the predictions on how the 142 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:51.519 public would react and how the media would react again 143 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:54.600 very very prescient in that prediction. 144 00:10:55.759 --> 00:11:02.000 Well, you know, there is a long standing methodology of 145 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:09.639 propaganda of shaping public opinion, of throttling information that would 146 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.960 be you know, possibly distract the public or take the 147 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:19.440 public away from the orthodox narrative that is being propagated. 148 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:24.840 So these guys actually talk about some of these propaganda techniques. 149 00:11:24.919 --> 00:11:27.799 One of the ones that is specifically mentioned is an 150 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:34.200 old propaganda technique called flooding the zone, which is simultaneously 151 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:40.600 over multiple media channels broadcasting the identical message. And there 152 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:45.679 are multiple examples that I document as the true story 153 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:52.039 unfolds of the COVID nineteen pandemic of extraordinary examples of 154 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:56.159 flooding the zone. So all of this is discussed, all 155 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:59.279 of it's contemplated. I think the one thing an event 156 00:11:59.399 --> 00:12:03.600 to a one that the script was a little bit 157 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:07.200 changed up when it came to the actual pandemic A 158 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:13.200 few months later is that event too one does the 159 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:19.080 panel participants, They do acknowledge that, yes, it would be 160 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:22.799 valuable to have a vaccine and to get it up 161 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.960 and running as quickly as possible. Nevertheless, some of the 162 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:31.559 main participants say, but in the early days of the pandemic, 163 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:34.840 as people are getting sick, it will be necessary to 164 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.879 treat them. So, you know, we're going to have to 165 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.559 look at the pharmacopeia of available drugs, drugs that are 166 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:48.159 already available that are known to have a safety, a 167 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.200 good safety profile, and we're going to have to find 168 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:55.080 one that could help people, that could at least provide 169 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:58.039 maybe not a silver bullet, but that could reduce the 170 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:03.799 severity of symptoms. When we see the actual pandemic arrive 171 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:08.559 a few months later, we see that the entire concept 172 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:15.399 of early treatment is systematically suppressed in favor of the 173 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:22.799 mass vaccination solution or purported solution. That is to say, 174 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:28.000 in the simulation, there is a recognition that early treatment 175 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:31.759 will be necessary because it could take quite some time 176 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:35.440 to develop a safe and effective vaccine, possibly two or 177 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:40.679 three years, So we're going to have to find ways 178 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:45.159 to treat people. When we have the actual pandemic it's 179 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:51.600 the exact opposite the messages. There is no treatment. Somehow 180 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:56.000 we already know that, which is an interesting question. How 181 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:59.840 could you already know that there is no treatment, given 182 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:04.720 it's a novel infectious agent. But anyway, that gets into 183 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:10.320 the theme of our book. Why were early treatment modalities suppressed? 184 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.639 That's the central question of the book. 185 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:20.360 Now give our audience your formal education and background, and 186 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:24.200 also your background as an author and nonfiction author as 187 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.080 well a true crime author and nonfiction author. Pardon me, 188 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:32.960 but also how you found out about Peter McCullough, Doctor 189 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.480 Peter McCullough, and how you made the decision. Tell us 190 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:40.519 about the decision to write a book with doctor McCullough. 191 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:46.080 Well, my formal education is in history and philosophy. I 192 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.039 have a master's degree in philosophy. But I grew up 193 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:59.000 and a very literate household. My grandfather, he's technically my 194 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:03.200 step grand he was my grand mom. My grandmother's second 195 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:07.240 husband was a Harvard trained doctor that had a huge 196 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:12.840 library of books on medical history. I just got fascinated 197 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.360 by medical history when I was pretty young, I mean 198 00:15:16.480 --> 00:15:20.879 an early teenager. My grandparents lived in the country and 199 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:24.120 i'd go spend weeks at a time, and I would 200 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:28.120 talk to my grandfather about medical history, and so that 201 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:32.320 was kind of a childhood fascination. I went to Vienna, 202 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:36.639 Austria on a graduate school scholarship to study philosophy. While 203 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:40.600 I was in the city Vienna, I stumbled across a 204 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:45.679 true crime story about an Austrian serial killer. 205 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:47.240 There was a twist. 206 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.080 He wasn't only a serial killer, he was also a 207 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:56.440 fairly famous author and journalist. His name was Jack Untwager, 208 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:00.279 and the remarkable twist in the story is when these 209 00:16:00.360 --> 00:16:06.279 women started disappearing from the Vienna red light district and 210 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:10.000 turning up dead in the Vienna Woods. It was this 211 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:14.519 subject of my book, Jack Untveger is his name. He 212 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:21.080 actually became a kind of lead reporter for Austrian National 213 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:27.720 Radio reporting on the unknown undetected serial killer. So it 214 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:30.679 was a rather remarkable story of a guy reporting on 215 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:33.840 his own crimes. He actually interviewed the chief of police 216 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:38.399 and the friends of the murdered women, and he really 217 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:43.240 went deep anyway, he was ultimately exposed as being the killer. 218 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:46.960 But while I was researching that book, I got to 219 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:50.440 be friends with the pathologist at the Vienna Institute of 220 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:54.639 forensic medicine, and I served as her translator for a 221 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:59.320 while from German into English. I just grew really fascinated, 222 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:04.240 or became fascinated in forensic medicine. You know, how do 223 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:09.279 forensic doctors are in the case of the US jurisdiction 224 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:14.119 medical examiners, You know, how do they ascertain how we 225 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:18.400 die and why do we die? So I became adept 226 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:24.200 at reading medical literature, and I became interested in epidemiology 227 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:31.359 and this whole area of science and knowledge. And so 228 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:36.240 at the beginning of twenty twenty, when we got the 229 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:41.960 first reports of SARS kobe Ie emanating from China then 230 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:45.200 spread to Milan, Italy, I spent quite a bit of 231 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:49.440 time in Italy, and I'm very interested in Italian culture, 232 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:52.799 and so I was paying pretty close attention to the 233 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:56.960 reporting out of Milan. And then, you know, I just 234 00:17:57.079 --> 00:17:59.880 began to think a lot of what we're being told 235 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.599 by our public health officials just doesn't really add up 236 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:09.680 to me. I began to suspect that there are distinct 237 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:17.079 elements of distorted reality, even elements of fraud. And I know, 238 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:19.799 as a true crime author that you know, all crime 239 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:28.000 contains elements of fraud of distorting reality deception, and so 240 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:32.680 I began researching what was going on, reading different reports 241 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:36.599 from all over the world, and I decided, this looks 242 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:39.559 like an organized crime story. 243 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:40.400 In the making. 244 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:46.599 But I knew I needed an expert scientific medical witness 245 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.359 to help me to evaluate a lot of the technical 246 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.519 aspects of what we were seeing, and so I began 247 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:02.680 searching for My criteria were a high ranking academic medical doctor, 248 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:09.680 one who has a publishing resume what separates the men 249 00:19:09.839 --> 00:19:15.480 from the boys in academic medicine as you're publishing resume, right, 250 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:19.680 and preferably one who's also treating patients who has a 251 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:24.519 clinical practice. And then my final criterion was he would 252 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:30.599 also have to be a guy who is critically evaluating 253 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:35.480 the orthodoxy coming out of Washington. That is to say, 254 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:40.119 the NIH Health and Human Services, Like, what we're looking 255 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:44.920 at is a federal public health apparatus that is telling 256 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.319 us what's going on. I was skeptical a lot of 257 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.160 a lot of their claims. I wanted to find a 258 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:57.440 doctor who was also skeptical of the orthodoxy at the time. 259 00:19:57.680 --> 00:20:00.720 And my first question is, well, we're im gonna find 260 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:05.519 this guy. He's kind of a unicorn. And then through 261 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:08.319 some twists and turns that I document in the book, 262 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:12.559 I discovered that doctor Peter McCullough lived about a mile 263 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:16.960 from me in Dallas. I contacted him. We met for 264 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:23.559 an interview, beautiful in studio, interviewed, beautifully, photographed, and miked. 265 00:20:24.359 --> 00:20:28.640 I posted it on YouTube and it was censored about 266 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:33.599 three hours later. Well, so that's when I realized, boy, 267 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.799 we're in the middle of something really, really big here, 268 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:42.319 and it is completely inimical to the spirit of the 269 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:44.880 US Constitution in the first Amendment. 270 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:50.359 Let's talk about what Peter McCullough. Doctor McCullough found out. 271 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:54.680 But from the early reports from France, South Korea, and 272 00:20:54.880 --> 00:21:01.599 China and India about hydroxyl chloroquin and the research being 273 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:07.160 done in terms of treatment for COVID nineteen, well, you know. 274 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:12.160 Going back to that pandemic twoh one, they explicitly say, 275 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.799 you know, we're gonna have to scramble because it's going 276 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:19.279 to take a while to develop a safe and effective vaccine, 277 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:24.519 if that's even possible, that's an unknown, but we're gonna 278 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:28.559 need to scramble to find drugs that have a known 279 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:33.400 safety profile that could be used to treat this, so 280 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:40.359 that actually was understood to be a normal procedure. Like again, 281 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:44.200 look at the pharmacopeia, you know, look at safe drugs 282 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:49.680 that are known to have a safe profile, probably ones 283 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:54.759 that have been used by humanity for decades. Then you 284 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:59.519 know it has a good safety profile. So you had independent, 285 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:05.519 cre creative thinking doctors to immediately start looking for anything 286 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.079 that could be used to treat this. And I want 287 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.720 to say this is important. You know, a lot of 288 00:22:11.839 --> 00:22:17.440 medicine isn't necessarily a silver bullet. I mean, penicillin was 289 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:22.480 a miracle drug because you would take a staffle of 290 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:28.039 cockle infection that was dangerous, or a syphilis infection, things 291 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:33.839 that were just scourges of mankind for centuries, and penicillin 292 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.640 would just blast it. I mean you're talking like two 293 00:22:37.759 --> 00:22:41.400 days later you're feeling better. But there aren't that many 294 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:47.880 miracle drugs like penicillin. A lot of drugs it's reduction 295 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:52.680 of symptoms. It's just helping the patient to get through 296 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.680 the syndrome so that he doesn't have to go to 297 00:22:55.880 --> 00:23:01.160 hospital and doesn't die. So that's what the the good 298 00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:06.240 doctors were looking for. And there's a guy in Marseille 299 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:12.160 France named Dde Rault, and he is I think the 300 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:18.079 most the most published microbiologist on Earth. In the year 301 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:23.000 nineteen ninety, if my memory serves, he came up with 302 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:28.599 a treatment for a very very dangerous I mean a 303 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:34.200 very high high fatality rate illness called q fever. He 304 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.400 Q fever. It's not very common, but if you get it, 305 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:42.799 I mean it's like fifty percent curtains and Dde Rault 306 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:46.799 and Marseille he discovered that you could treat Q fever 307 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:52.440 with the combination of hydroxy chloroquine and I believe doxy cyclinge. 308 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:56.359 And it works, and it became and it remains today 309 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:02.039 the standard treatment for Q fever. I think Raoul has 310 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:08.880 personally discovered several hundred species of bacteria, and he's also 311 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:14.480 credited with discovering the giant virus. Well, a species of 312 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:19.319 giant virus which I think had previously been perceived to 313 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:24.759 be some other organism. Raoul proved that it was a virus. 314 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:31.799 So this is an imminent infectious disease biologist and treating physician. 315 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.839 He's a member of the Legion of Honor, and so 316 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:40.640 DDA Raoul starts looking at the literature. He sees that 317 00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:46.200 there is a published literature including NIH scientists in the 318 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:50.680 United States who discovered that the old mallarial drug also 319 00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:57.240 used for rheumatoid arthritis and lupus, hydroxychloroquin had anti viral 320 00:24:57.480 --> 00:25:04.440 and anti inflammatory efficacy against SARS covy ie, which was 321 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:09.400 genetically pretty close to SARS CoV two. So Ryold says, 322 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:14.720 all right, hydroxychloroquin great safety profile, billions of doses taken 323 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:19.319 and tolerated for a variety of illnesses, FDA approved, approved 324 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:22.480 over the counter in France. It's actually an over the 325 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:26.599 counter agent. So he's like, let's give it a shot. 326 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:35.240 The amazing thing is immediately immediately upon his announcement, and 327 00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:39.160 there's no one in the entire country of France better 328 00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:44.680 equipped to evaluate this than Professor Rold. Immediately upon announcing 329 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.200 that hydroxy chloroquin combined with the zythromycin seems to have 330 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:57.039 pretty good efficacy, especially when administered early, he's massively censured 331 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:02.119 and censored immediately. It's like no, no, no, no no. 332 00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:05.960 That Imagine you're at a cocktail party and you tell 333 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:08.960 someone a true story, and before you even get halfway 334 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.799 into it, the guy starts waving his hands in your 335 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:14.680 face and saying no way, no way, don't tell that story. 336 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:22.640 Very very suspicious. And so Peter mccaullay catches wind of DDA. 337 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:28.119 Raoults work in Marseille and he begins to think, as well, 338 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:30.839 like what's going on here? Like this is a perfectly 339 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:36.440 safe drug. Why are we suddenly being told it's dangerous. 340 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:40.920 When doctor McCollough worked at a hospital in Seattle, he 341 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:48.640 routinely prescribed hydroxychloroquin p rheumatoid arthritis, So, like, what is 342 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:52.920 going on here? And you know that is a kind 343 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:59.240 of a key opening chapter in the book, recounting Professor 344 00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:05.440 Raowlds adventures in France trying to treat patients, trying to 345 00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:10.400 prevent them and succeeding from having to go to hospital. 346 00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:17.359 Let's talk about remdesovir and who has interest in this 347 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:21.880 drug being successful in the marketplace and its relationship in 348 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.440 comparison to hydroxachloroquin. 349 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:32.160 Remdesevir was an experimental drug developed by a biotech company 350 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:37.759 in San Francisco. Who ah, whose name is suddenly slipping me, 351 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:42.920 but I'll remember it. The company in San Francisco worked 352 00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:47.359 closely with the head of the Niai d Anthony Fauci 353 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:51.400 to develop remdesevir. They had initially thought it would be 354 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:57.759 a useful drug for treating ebola with doctor Fauci's you know, 355 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:03.839 NIH assistance. They did some trials of this drug, remdesevir, 356 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:08.160 in an ebola outbreak in Africa. They found that it 357 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:12.880 didn't work, and in fact, the experimental group that received 358 00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:17.279 it had a considerably higher fatality rate than the control 359 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:23.039 group who didn't, So it was an utter failure. Gilead 360 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:29.680 Gilead pharmaceutical company, isn't it Gilead Sciences, That's the company 361 00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:34.039 that developed remdesevir. So it was it was an abysmal failure, 362 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:37.079 and it's Ebela trials. It's kind of back to the 363 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:41.799 drawing board. They tried it with Zeka as well. Again 364 00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:48.079 the trials didn't work, an abject failure against Zika. But 365 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.480 then you know, if it doesn't work, just keep trying. 366 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:58.839 So with SARS Covid two, they decided to try remdesevir 367 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.599 against SARS. I go into it's quite a bit of 368 00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:09.279 technical detail about the trial data in the book. It's 369 00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:16.839 clear that remdesevir has zero efficacy against SARS Kobe two. 370 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:21.960 Even the who which tends to go and lockstep with 371 00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:29.279 the NIH, even the who issued a viso in October 372 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:34.680 of twenty twenty saying don't use remdesevir. There's no indication 373 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.799 that it works, and secondly, there are indications that it 374 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:45.640 causes kidney damage. Nevertheless, Anthony Fauci and his friends at 375 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:50.440 Gilead and Bill Gates, who is a Gilead shareholder, they 376 00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:56.799 did succeed in persuading the Health and Human Services and 377 00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:03.279 the CDC and the FDA to get behind remdesevir as 378 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.440 the and this is quite a notable detail for people 379 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:12.839 who study medicine. It became remdesevir became the standard of 380 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:21.119 care for gravely ill hospitalized patients with COVID nineteen. So 381 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:25.000 I appreciate this is a bit technical, but it was 382 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:29.759 already well understood that with a viral respiratory viral illness, 383 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:35.440 it usually proceeds in three stages. The first stage is 384 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:41.640 the viral replication phase. The virus is rapidly replicating in 385 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:49.000 the upper respiratory tract. Stage two, you get into a 386 00:30:49.480 --> 00:30:55.119 pulmonary difficulty. The patient finds it difficult to breathe. That 387 00:30:56.319 --> 00:31:01.599 difficulty of breathing and accompanied anxiety will oftentimes prompt them 388 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:06.200 to go to hospital. That's stage two of the illness. 389 00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.599 By the time you get to stage two, the early 390 00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:15.960 viral replication phase has ended. It has long been understood 391 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.160 that if you are trying to stop a viral disease 392 00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:25.359 in its tracks by using an anti viral agent, you 393 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:31.839 administer it early during the early viral replication phase. Take 394 00:31:31.880 --> 00:31:37.000 a look at tamiflu, an anti viral for influenza. The 395 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:42.079 indication is start as early as possible. So why the 396 00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:46.079 fuck are they issuing? Are they administering this for gravely 397 00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:51.599 ill patients in hospital who are actually using supplementary oxygen. 398 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:57.839 It just makes no sense whatsoever. Nothing, and I carefully 399 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:03.759 document this in and my book. Nothing about the remdesevie 400 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:08.839 protocol makes sense, not one element of it. Now, what 401 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:15.319